satisfactory

[white dawn]

Doggos have a hard time reading the tier charts

[unkempt blade]

doing turbo then throw some nitric acid on the end is a super easy upgrade when you're ready for it too

[ashen spruce]

Yea

[flat helm]

Trade them in where what

[jovial karma]

doesnt work it just stays the same

[green fiber]

AWESOME sink

[keen hawk]

in the awesome sink

[white dawn]

(Or save them for crash site unlocks, of course)

[flat helm]

I think zarlock the masterful can read

[charred snow]

is the jetpack really bad or do i just not have the right type of fuel

[jovial karma]

nvm

[ashen spruce]

2.25 more efficient than Fuel in Jennys.

[keen hawk]

are you pointing it toward a hole?

[green fiber]

what fuel do you have for the jetpack

[willow glen]

Rocket fuel… alt? The one that uses 3x as much sulfur? I’d rather not use it, but you’re welcome to I guess. I wouldn’t call it better tho

[keen hawk]

oh ok then

[charred snow]

solid biomass

[shy mulch]

jetpack is great

[white dawn]

I suppose the other alternative is that Zarlock is trolling you, then. :)

[green fiber]

trash fuel.

[jovial karma]

I didnt press left click before trying to rotate it lol

[charred snow]

i can unlock

[green fiber]

get oil

make fuel

[charred snow]

is oil power worth it

[hard ivy]

Get packaged liquid biofuel. Best fuel until you get at least rocket fuel, if not ionized

[green fiber]

unless you wanna be stuck with coal generators for the rest of time, yes, oil is worth it

[white dawn]

Every tier of power upgrade is worth it

[flat helm]

Is there a way to move the place that ore is? Its really inconvenient having my main area around limestone iron and copper and then having the nearest coal being 600m away and the water pump for it being by the main area

[charred snow]

i just got past phase 2

[green fiber]

you mean move nodes?
no

[unkempt blade]

I think we can all agree that anything past biofuel burners is tryhard nonsense

[keen hawk]

oil power is worth it, but get ready to overhaul/rebuild your system several times

[flat helm]

So ill just have to find a convenient location with everything around it?

[green fiber]

or you start building up logistics.

[white dawn]

The game will be encouraging you to expand pretty often. I personally recommend trying to avoid thinking of a "main base" at all, except as maybe a semi-permanent home for your HUB and Space Elevator (though you can move those around all you want, as well)

[green fiber]

your only choices

[hard ivy]

I mean that's what I do basically until the post endgame

[white dawn]

I suppose my "home" area generally also includes the processing for Exploration Spoils (DNA, sorting healing items, processing biomass, etc)

I rarely do any actual production work around all that, though. Expansion ftw!

[green fiber]

what i will say for turbo fuel is that the blue crater lake is now very much tailored in its favor, and also rocket fuel

[flat helm]

Can you only have one lizard doggo

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's difficult to argue with Blue Crater for rocket fuel

[flat helm]

Can I have an army of lizard doggo

[white dawn]

There's other sites that work well too, but Blue Crater is pretty much ideal

[white dawn]

Yep, you can have an army. :)

[unkempt blade]

yes but keep them in a pen so they don't wander off 😄

[hard ivy]

I did turbo diamonds there. Does that count?

[green fiber]

Yes. Also, rare Turbo diamond W

[fluid sapphire]

ehheh, me working on cooking 4800 rocket fuel in crater right now

[flat helm]

I think zarlock the masterful is intelligent enough to stay by the hub

He has been doing so consistently for the most part

[hard ivy]

It annoys me that it takes packaged turbo when the accelerator has a goddamn fluid input

[flat helm]

So like am I supposed to be using walls and stuff? The only time ive used something like that is just ramps to be able to go over a pipeline

[green fiber]

yeah that one is a bit confusing... how much turbo does it take per cycle again?

[hard ivy]

2

[green fiber]

unless you wanna build single level platform factories close to the ground and not decorate anything ever, use walls

[flat helm]

Hm ok

[green fiber]

the one tier list i would sorta be interested in seeing is one for each area of the map

[fluid sapphire]

grass fields S tier

[white dawn]

heh, beat me to it. :D

(I actually do think that grass fields is severely underrated; it's a fantastic starting biome, and it's nice and Earth-conventionally pretty)

[green fiber]

oh wait, sorry,

the one tier list i would sorta be interested in seeing is one for alt recipe viability for each area of the map

[fluid sapphire]

unironically, yeah, its pretty good

[flat helm]

Yesterday I saw the northern lights in satisfactory it was so cool

[alpine salmon]

I love going 3000 miles to reach a water area just to make my coal power plant work

[unkempt blade]

I think the only reason grass fields isn't my least-favorite starting area is because the dunes are too lumpy

[hard ivy]

Swamp - S
Grass fields - F

[white dawn]

Hah, that makes more sense. :)

[unkempt blade]

rocky and northern are the best starting spots for sure

[green fiber]

grass fields gets a pass for Leached Copper + Caterium > Fused Wire + Fused Quickwire

[hard ivy]

There's one impure sulfur node in the grass fields themselves

[alpine salmon]

i have 2 coal nodes with mk 2 miners just stretched to the waterfalls

[green fiber]

yes. what else you gonna do with that in grass fields

[hard ivy]

Explosives

[fluid sapphire]

lol i forgot about that, should put it to use, i have a ton of stuff crammed into grass fields

[burnt ferry]

math mathes, plastic pals and rubber rats, checkout my question in #math-and-meta

[green fiber]

SAM > Coal to Sulfur
(unimaginable idea, i know - or at least unviable for you)

would be 1440 converted sulfur from grass fields

[white dawn]

SAM + Iron Only Challenge Run

[green fiber]

Alchemy challenge run

[north cobalt]

do smart plating have any use besides the tier unlock?

it takes a lot of resources to do and i am thinking of repurposing that entire line

[hard ivy]

Sink points

But that's it

[north cobalt]

k, ripping it up

[hard ivy]

But it's used for all 5 phases

[hard ivy]

You might wanna keep a container or 2 of it ^

[north cobalt]

oh

yeah i wish i had a container of it

[frozen girder]

Hello

[fluid sapphire]

damn i have literally had the game crash 7 times today

while i am not even doing anything

[willow dawn]

Wow thats not good. I have only had one crash so far in the entirety of my playthrough

[fluid sapphire]

its not ideal yeah, i swear its like 10x more frequent after the patch before yesterday's

[peak wasp]

any thoughts on this design to pump more materials into a single belt

[fluid sapphire]

whats the design

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

you could lifts to make it look nicer

[peak wasp]

This design...it works with steel bars and as the machines eat material as it goes down the belt I include mergers to merge in new materials

[frozen girder]

Hey if I were to have an idea for something satisfactory related where would I send it at? Had this idea stuck in my head and just want to share it.

[hard ivy]

Pretty standard manifold injection

[peak wasp]

Oh I see what my issue is

I have 18 steel bar production

I needed 20

[hard ivy]

I don't like injection, because it requires more math than using a balancer and it has more restrictions

[peak wasp]

everyone insists I need a smart stuff for this but I don't think so

[hard ivy]

Depends

Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't

Another reason why I don't like it

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[fluid sapphire]

sometimes it can work, i do it at my motor factory

[white dawn]

^ the QA site is where the devs will see sugtestions and such

[frozen girder]

Ah okay!

[frozen cloud]

this is what i would do
#screenshots message

[white dawn]

You can bring anything up in here as well, of course, but it's mostly just user-to-user chat in here (especially with CSS on their summer hols)

[peak wasp]

interesting design there 🙂

[wanton fox]

this is my plan for now, i will use a SL in the last machine to make 6 out of 3 #screenshots

[peak wasp]

I am planning to use this factory to build the most complicated stuff ever....heavy modular frames

[keen hawk]

Whats the best way to clean up conveyor splitter for manufacturers chat

[frozen cloud]

why the coal hate?

[keen hawk]

Currently im doing a logistics floor beneath the production floor, but that simply shifts the spaghetti out of sight

[peak wasp]

now to create the cluster of 37 machines that all make screws

[frozen cloud]

oh no

[willow dawn]

OMG satisfactory calculator interactive map is a livesaver! I put one wrong belt in a LONG line of belts and I was able to find the problem without having to run all the way down by uploading my most recent save

[hard ivy]

Bad idea for 2 reasons

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

?

[reef basin]

eh, it's as good idea as any other

[white dawn]

Heh, errant wrong-mk belts are the bane of everyone. :D Glad SCIM could help!

[hard ivy]

1. Making a lot of screws in a single machine group is a bad idea because they'll take up a ton of belts; it's better to make screws right before the machine that uses them, in the amount that is required
2. Making screws at all is a bad idea in general, because there are alts that do not use screws and are better in most situations

[prime jasper]

Is that normal if I can't seem to find SAM ore at all?

I found almost a dozen mesmer sphere, a few summers loop but never any SAM ore.

I have one in my chest only because a lizard doggo gave on to me .

It is kind of odd because it seems like it is an early drop considering it is a first node in an important mam tree.

Is that normal or am I missing something?

[stray loom]

Counterpoint: Steel screws is an awesome recipe and screws are not some big evil boogeyman. They are challenging to use until you have at least Mk3 belts but don't avoid them just because big numbers are scary

[south sinew]

SAM is generally reasonably hidden

[fluid sapphire]

eh, i dont find them scary, just super annoying to work with at scale

[south sinew]

it's not easy to find

[reef basin]

they are fine even before mk3

[hard ivy]

the issue with screws is that all but one of the recipes that uses them just suck

[south sinew]

if you're desperate you can ask SCIM for the location of the nearest SAM node

[north cobalt]

i cant upgrade containers to dimensional ones?

[reef basin]

that's usually when you try to run them on one belt, instead of building them 1:1

[reef basin]

*in some people's opinion

[south sinew]

dimensional depot uploaders don't do the same thing as containers

so replacing them isn't an upgrade

[pulsar bobcat]

guys whats more energy efficient 10 refineries or 24 smelters

[south sinew]

depends a lot on what recipe you're doing or not in them

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, well, thats why i dont do it, thats what annoys me

[pulsar bobcat]

pure iron

for heavy mod frame

[leaden ether]

If you have room you can just plop one of them on top of a container and use a belt lift to connect them

[reef basin]

all machines are 100% energy efficient

if you mean which one uses least amount of power, refinery is 30MW and smelter is 4MW

[south sinew]

but obviously pure iron is way more iron efficient

[north cobalt]

yeah did that, just tought they worked in a different way

[pulsar bobcat]

yea its the difference between mk 2 miners and mk1 miners for me

[hard ivy]

depends on the clock speed

[reef basin]

well it's a great logistical tool, not just for screws. Screws are there to teach you to use it. Your choice if you don't want to use it, but I would very much recommend to use it

[north cobalt]

they are a portal, not a container with cloud storage added

[reef basin]

both depend obviously. I think it's pretty clear I was giving numbers at 100%

[pulsar bobcat]

that begs the question if a pioneer enters a dimensional depot what would happen

[hard ivy]

Oh, I know you were giving numbers at 100%, but idk if the person asking was

[north cobalt]

you die, then your crate is in your dimensional space

i assume

[sharp bay]

Judging based on ADA's dialogues someone will have you pull you out because it dematerialize stuff

Can ada pull you out?

[pulsar bobcat]

so youd get spaggetified ig

[willow dawn]

Would she might be a better question 😛

[south sinew]

reversibly

[bright shore]

On controller how can you copy an item, say i have a constructor and just want to point at it and make another one

[willow dawn]

You can do the same with your mouse, middle mouse button

[north cobalt]

oh my god, i am gonna need so many constructors for steel

45/15 ratio of smelters to constructors is gonna be a pain

[frozen cloud]

270/45=6 so thats nice

[uncut trail]

btw is character we play as woman

[north cobalt]

oh wait, i am an idiot

it eats 60 per sec, it outputs 15

i need 4x less than i tought

[flat helm]

does anyone else absolutely despise the space giraffe tick penguin whale thing

idk what it is i just hate him

[hard ivy]

just build above the ground 🤷‍♂️

[mossy birch]

Is this the optimal way to… you get it. Heavy oil (Plastic + Rubber) > Diluted fuel > Rocket fuel > Fuel powered generator.

[hard ivy]

no

you need the heavy oil residue alt

[mossy birch]

What is it then?

[hard ivy]

not make it from plastic/rubber

[mossy birch]

I need plastic and rubber anyways.

[hard ivy]

make them from fuel

and from the resin from HOR

it's less oil that way

[bright shore]

yea, how do you do it on a controller though?

[willow dawn]

Ooh I am sorry, I only half read your message and realize I misread now

[bright shore]

all good

[willow dawn]

I don't know, perhaps you can find it online 🙂

[bright shore]

no luck when i searched

[mossy birch]

So… heavily oil residue > diluted fuel > rocket fuel > fuel powered generator.
And then polymer resin > fabric, steel, rubber.

Question now, fuel for plastic and rubber……

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=K9BZCAMbacbh6zVI8nt5

for example

[mossy birch]

I think my machines are outdated.

Water is technically infinite compared to other resources so…

But for now rubber is not used very much.

Or I’ll use it for alternate?

[hard ivy]

depends on the recipes you use

[mossy birch]

I use it for cooling system (4), modular engine (1), turbo motor (1).

That’s it.

Well… I never used alternate recipes so…

Or rarely used.

[hard ivy]

those are all default recipes...

[hard ivy]

ouch

[mossy birch]

I only used for cast screws and heavy turbo.

[hard ivy]

ouch

[mossy birch]

I think of using ores by adding water but I am in search for hard drives right now.

Sulphuric acid is no use for that I guess. Since it wastes sulphur for it to work.

There’s other thing that I recently discovered but not applied for now, steel I got from iron ingot.

[hard ivy]

this is my advanced aluminium parts factory
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=PhIpBIWNNNmkLClYlfBT
33 alts

I would rather stop playing the game than make it without alts

[mossy birch]

Aluminium I am thinking of using everything from bauxite to alumina solution.

Instead part of it transforming to silica.

Cause bauxite is kind of scarce compared to other ores. (Except uranium of course.)

[wicked nacelle]

you have to go a long ways into the game before bauxite becomes scarce-- well beyond the end of the story requirements

[mossy birch]

4920 bauxite per minute. Hm…

[wicked nacelle]

12,300 / min on the map

[mossy birch]

I exclude overclocking for now.

[gilded goblet]

does belt clipping like... matter? or can I js clip belts and forget about it

[half scaffold]

Is there a trick to pick up drops that are on a resource node and it won't target the drop? I have one that is sitting in the middle of the ground that I can't seem to target either. And another that I'm pretty sure is in the middle of a wall.

[wicked nacelle]

but that's not a approach that matters for discussion with other people. shards are an intentional part of the game that the game expects you to use

[hard ivy]

nah

[gilded goblet]

so i can js clip and forget

[white dawn]

You can clip-and-forget. Only matters if it matters to you. :)

[wicked nacelle]

it only matters if it matters to you. I clip belts all the time

[gilded goblet]

bet

[mossy birch]

Is it better to purify quartz or no?

Cause I feel myself that every resource is rationed for whatever reasons.

[hard ivy]

if you use both outputs of quartz purification completely, yes.
if you're gonna sink some of either, no

[white dawn]

Quartz Purification gives you more combined silica + quartz crystal than doing it separately can. Though I think that if you just want either silica or quartz crystal out of a given node, then making the individual resource is better (or if your desired ratio of silica:crystal differs from the Purification ratios too much)

[uncut trail]

my storage isnt outputing iron wtf

nvm fixed it

[mossy birch]

Cause nitrogen. But oh well..

I need to gather guides and then I’ll rebuild my mega factory.

[white dawn]

Purification is tough for the Independency-minded factory builder; would have to have a factory which needs both material at roughly the ratio Purification gives

I never did fit it in anywhere on my 1.0 save, alas

[frozen cloud]

purification until quartz OR silica is satisfied
rest with pure quartz or cheap silica

[mossy birch]

Well… I think I’ll rebuild my mega factory somewhere else…

To prevent blocking my current ones.

But I need many information before proceeding.

[uncut trail]

switching to coal generators and not having to worry about biomass is so great

everything is done by my slave aka tractor

[mossy birch]

Issues with alternate recipes for me is… can overwhelm me and thus cannot decide which is good or not.

[hard ivy]

satisfactory tools is the answer

[uncut trail]

just automated modular frame

too easy

[reef basin]

there's nothing like "good" or "bad" recipe in general, only one you like or not like

and you can get all recipes anyway, so it's not like you're losing the other option

[hard ivy]

enable everything and then disable anything you don't vibe with

[mossy birch]

Well… you all rely from it or…?

[mossy birch]

Does alternate recipes unlock new pros but also opens cons? (Except some like cast screw, which is the best alternate recipe)

[reef basin]

cast screws are definitely not "best" (well, no recipe is best) and also have cons

and yes, all recipes have pros and cons

[hard ivy]

depends on the recipe. the vast majority have both upsides and downsides. you use it when it has the best ratio of upsides to downsides of any other recipe in that particular situation

[reef basin]

Tools give you plans based on it's own internal algorithm for resource efficiency, which may or may not be similar to your preferences, so not always useful

[mossy birch]

The overall goals for me… have the highest awesome sink rate.

[hard ivy]

yeah, you def ain't getting there without alts

like at least 50 of them

[frozen cloud]

the more complicated an item the more points it gives so the best items are late game items

[mossy birch]

Hm… I am trying to unlock all what I have right now.

[stray loom]

In terms of alternate recipes the only ones that pretty much everyone will agree on is Heavy Oil Residue, Diluted (Packaged) Fuel, and the Recycled Rubber/Plastic twins. Outside of those everyone will prefer different things

[white dawn]

Solid Steel has pretty near-universal love as well. Wet Concrete, too

[mossy birch]

Plastic demand for me is rather high for me.

[reef basin]

not even those

[hard ivy]

• Heavy Encased Frame

[mossy birch]

And uhh… rubber is low.

[frozen cloud]

coke steel is also good

[hard ivy]

no steel is also good

[reef basin]

"many people will agree upon", not "pretty much everyone" 🙂

[mossy birch]

I do not make petroleum coke though..

[frozen cloud]

i mean theres a lot where people agree that the alt (which ever) is better than the original recipe

like both encased or flebile frames are good
just dont do default xD

[tall plover]

just finished my first playthrough with ~100 hrs on the clock

🙏

[frozen cloud]

gamer

[mossy birch]

Silly question (maybe not) is there any default recipes that are throned from their alts?

[bright shore]

Just did it by accident.. Hold left trigger pointing to dismantle. Then hit square

[tall plover]

should i try to unlock golden nut or everything else from ficsit shop first?

[hard ivy]

Radio Control Unit and Supercomputer defaults are decent. That's about it off the top of my head

[frozen cloud]

go get your golden cup

[tall plover]

im still like 650 tickets short

didnt spend any tickets yet... except for 2 coffee cups

[stray loom]

Depends if you want to build pretty stuff I guess

[tall plover]

eventually yes

[reef basin]

depends what you optimise for

[tall plover]

I wanna make small "factories" with builds for them

[stray loom]

Though ladders are pretty useful for early game exploration but if you've beaten the story then you're pas that point

[reef basin]

default recipes are almost always better in at least one property

[tall plover]

there are ladders?

oh my god

[stray loom]

😄

[white dawn]

I still maintain that catwalks are far better for early game exploration. Much more flexible to the situation

[mossy birch]

What about screws?

[white dawn]

Ladders are like C tier in comparison. come at me, bro

[stray loom]

Ladder + parachute combo is goated imo

[reef basin]

base screw is very good recipe in many factors

[tall plover]

I can relate

[mossy birch]

Explain a little bit.

[tall plover]

i just built up into the sky and got every resource i needed up there

and from there on built outwards

[white dawn]

Their main problem is needing to connect to a foundation first

[reef basin]

for example, they are part of the most (weighted) resource efficient path to screws

[white dawn]

Which, y'know, boo hoo and all. But it is one extra step. :D

[tall plover]

is there a media channel?

wanna show my beautiful runways

[hard ivy]

#screenshots

[reef basin]

#screenshots or #streams-and-videos

[white dawn]

You can send screenshots to basically anywhere but this channel. #screenshots is the canonical place for just sharing pretty shots, though

#design-and-architecture could be appropriate too

[tall plover]

alright thanks

yea its just absolute chaos

though my power generation is actually beautiful and well organized

[peak wasp]

Hello, anyone else experiencing the problem that when you build a lot of buildings (walls especially) the walls in some buildings starting to flicker in specific facing angles.

[leaden ether]

Only glass walls.

[pure kestrel]

im so close to finally finisching satisfactory

[peak wasp]

This is eseentially happening after you build a few buildings, like recently I destroyed all my previous buildings and redesigned them with better technology I have, the issue was gone when I destroyed most buildings, but it started to happen again when I build new stuff.

[peak wasp]

Nope mine are pure walls, the one that you get at the start of the game.

[tall plover]

i beat it today aswell

[pure kestrel]

gg

is just have to wait for the ai thingies to be finished

[peak wasp]

I had a video of it, I'll try to render it to 10 megabyte and upload here.

[leaden ether]

They also flicker if you overlap them which is the typical game engine texture "Z Fighting"

[tall plover]

for me it was the warp thingies

[pure kestrel]

how many hours in total do you have?

[tall plover]

exactly 100

[peak wasp]

Hmm, can you elaborate that overlap a little more, like I just place walls on top of another, is this some kind of overlapping?

[pure kestrel]

damn thats not much

[tall plover]

tbf i dont have most hard drives yet

[pure kestrel]

i have 650 hours in total 181 h on this save

[leaden ether]

Basically if you place down a wall or a foundation right next to one already there and then you nudge it sideways so that they partially overlap.

[tall plover]

ye im on my first playthrough

[keen hawk]

Are coal gens still bugged btw? I remember they didnt feed properly from belts, so lifts connecting directly to them were used instead, has that been fixed already?

[wicked nacelle]

never heard of that bug and it surely doesn't exist now

[peak wasp]

Oh I got what you mean, they'll look like one is on top of another, but this is not my problem, basically my walls become transparent and normal wall back again and does that so fast. Like I have 80 FPS, the walls are void in one frame, and just wall in the next one, I managed to get a video record of it and will soon upload.

[pure kestrel]

its my 3 playthrou but the first where im gonna finish it

[tall plover]

what happened to the other 2

[white dawn]

No, that was fixed not long after the 1.0 release

[keen hawk]

Ah

[north cobalt]

man, versatiles frames take so long to craft

[keen hawk]

Ive been building them the same way still, thanks for the info

[pure kestrel]

first i lost it idk how long ago the second i quit because of 1.0 changes

[reef basin]

Make more machines

[leaden ether]

Okay, yeah I've not seen that. (Clear windows will flicker sometimes if you look through two of them) But solid non-overlapping walls/floors should not flicker.

[wicked nacelle]

there is stuff where splitters/mergers built on belt seams don't work but nothign to do with coal gens

[keen hawk]

I was thinking how i should overcome the problem before i remembered they should fix it

[keen hawk]

Used to be bugged but havent touched coal since the update, apparently its all good now

[north cobalt]

got a 250% overclocked one

my 7 steel foundrys cant handle more than that

[reef basin]

Make more 🙂

[north cobalt]

my energy grid cant handle that

[tall plover]

make more

[past steeple]

make more

[keen hawk]

Miners are so cool i wish they had 2 outputs

[reef basin]

Make more power

[north cobalt]

and i cant get more coal since its all on super dangerous ground

[tall plover]

you dont even need that much power

[north cobalt]

got 2k right now, not enough

[tall plover]

I built 3 power grids during my entire playthrough

[past steeple]

2k coal? good lord

[restive summit]

sulfur is only used in explosives right? nothing important to progression?

[tall plover]

180 MW -> 2.5k MW -> 20k MW

[past steeple]

thats a lot

[north cobalt]

2k MW

[reef basin]

May be because you overclock things 🤔

[north cobalt]

i wish that was coal

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch sulfur

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=sulfur

[keen hawk]

Sulfur makes power generation later in

[shy mulch]

It's used in some good recipes

[reef basin]

*2 GW

[keen hawk]

And is a precursor to greater things too

[restive summit]

is it only used in explosives in phase 2

[north cobalt]

that

[white dawn]

Yeah, later tiers, and "endgame" power in particular, uses sulfur pretty heavily

[north cobalt]

saw that recipe, i need oil for it right?

[white dawn]

But don't worry about it too much; even though it's one of the more rare resources, you still have to work pretty hard to actually exhaust it from the map

[keen hawk]

Are you asking if its worth prioritising af phase 2, the answer is not really

The alts from sulfur take hard drives for some reason, which can be really expensive if youre starting out/havent explored much yet

[flat helm]

if i were to like make a large box with an open top could i fill it with water in some way

[tall plover]

can you only use biofuel for chainsaw?

[white dawn]

Yeah, only Solid Biofuel, alas

[flat helm]

because the nearest deep water source for me is quite far from where im harvesting coal

[white dawn]

Someday maybe we'll get a patch to allow other packaged fuels

[tall plover]

thats unfortunate

[keen hawk]

Liquid biofuels for the jetpack, to burn i suppose, but in general yes

Oh wait you were asking about chainsaw fuels yeah

[white dawn]

There are a lot of places on the map where the's water right next to coal, btw. It may be a bit of a hike, but it's well worth stringing some power lines to there and using that for power

[flat helm]

is there a way to move the lizard doggo

[white dawn]

There'll usually be like 3-4 nodes right next to very good-sized lakes (or oceans); can generally get 32-64 coal gens out of those areas quite easily

[sharp bay]

Just run up to them and they'll get scared and run away

[flat helm]

i meant like a tamed one

[sharp bay]

I don't know any other methods other then painstakingly making them follow you slowly

[flat helm]

like i want to use the tactor to move around because im moving my main area to a more convenient place

[north cobalt]

i am realizing more and more that the most powerfull upgs i can get are conveyor belts

[flat helm]

but i dont want to leave zarlock the destroyer of galaxies behind

[white dawn]

Best thing is to make a "pen" for your doggo so you can contain it there. At least that way you only have to lead Zarlock over there once, and then you can finish doing the rest of your stuff

[sharp bay]

They need to let us carry the doggos
Like. You know? Dogs?

[rugged stratus]

Should I automate space elevator parts for phase 2?

[past steeple]

Well, its official yall. I am now just waiting for phase 5 parts to finish crafting

[sharp bay]

You'll be automating them later on for phase 3 4 5 anyway

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that doggos can take fall damage, and damage from enemy mobs; most folks don't want doggos following them around while they explore, etc, so a pen is a good idea

[past steeple]

You can't hand craft space elevator parts, you will have to

[flat helm]

or at least have a place for them on the tractor

[north cobalt]

oh a fellow waiter

[rugged stratus]

smart plating after phase 2 are most likely useless

[white dawn]

Up to you. As has been mentioned, you'll need those parts for future SE parts as well. But you technically only need a fixed number of them, so you could just make that many and then tear it down

[flat helm]

backpack to put doggo in perchance

[sharp bay]

Nope

[past steeple]

very much not

[rugged stratus]

how

[peak wasp]

Anyone knows how to fix this problem? It's so annoying.
#screenshots message

[rugged stratus]

I never use them

[white dawn]

And some folks like to just set up storage bins in front of a single machine making SE parts and hand-feed the bins, rather than doing full automation (again, mostly due to the only-needing-a-fixed-number thing)

[frozen ingot]

||you need smart plating all the way through to phase 5 iirc||

[past steeple]

I refuse to spoil, trust me, you will need them

[frozen ingot]

my bad, i guess that is kind of a spoiler

[white dawn]

Personally, I always like fully automating the parts. They're good for coupons even once you're through with the elevator deliveries

[rugged stratus]

bro it's my second time playing this game, I almost finished once

[sharp bay]

To make one of the components you need smart plating
And the other component needs said component to make it

[sharp bay]

how come there are so many clueless "almost finished the game" in here?

[rugged stratus]

Finished all satisfactory 8.0 things

after 1.1 I created a new world

[sharp bay]

Tell me what does modular engine uses

[rugged stratus]

..

[white dawn]

Satisfactory 8.0 sounds advanced!

[rugged stratus]

bro I dont remember 😭

[past steeple]

Kai, you are beating me to the punch every time lol

[sharp bay]

Smart plating

[rugged stratus]

modular engine are used?

[past steeple]

Finish phase 2, and look at phase 3 requirements

[frozen ingot]

👀

[rugged stratus]

only for this

[sharp bay]

You need smart plating to make modular engines

[rugged stratus]

and

for the thermal propulsion rocket

[frozen ingot]

basically - automate everything 😛 😄

[rugged stratus]

I have automated water bro

[past steeple]

Who would have thought that you should automate everything in a factory game? Completely unheard of, I refuse

[white dawn]

(Though, again, many folks don't fully automate SE parts, and they're fine. You can look up the required quantities on the wiki, if you like, and hand-feed machines to make that many)

[frozen ingot]

😉 😄

[rugged stratus]

I was one folk then

[past steeple]

I don't fully automate SE parts myself. I just gather the resources needed and stick them in chests next to the part constructors when they are needed

[sharp bay]

That makes sense ig

[rugged stratus]

but man, I refuse to automate Fused modular frame

[sharp bay]

I automate everything for the sake of automation

If I have to exploit I have to exploit it 24/7

[past steeple]

I am just throwing everything together messily for my first playthrough, just to finish the game

my next playthrough I will make everything pretty

after I have experienced everything

[rugged stratus]

u really automated thermal propulsion rocket?

[sharp bay]

I haven't but I definitely will

[rugged stratus]

good luck then

[white dawn]

I've automated TPRs on more than one playthrough, even

[rugged stratus]

😭

[sharp bay]

I even calculated the machine rates to meet my demands on advance

[white dawn]

Why not? After all, I'm playing a factory-building game. Why would I pass up the opportunity to make a factory? :)

[sharp bay]

Laziness ig

[rugged stratus]

I wanna see ur factory then

[vestal mica]

and then about 1/2 way through the next playthrough... "ok, my NEXT playthrough will be pretty."

[white dawn]

Definitely depends on what you find enjoyable, of course. Re: the laziness thing, I'm playing the game to relax, and for those sweet sweet dopamine hits. Playing the game is already a form of laziness for me. :)

[still glen]

which alternate is better:
Wet Concrete
Bolted Frame

[past steeple]

Wet Concrete

[still glen]

or should I rescan

[past steeple]

Rescan tbh

[sharp bay]

Screw screws

[past steeple]

But of those 2, wet concrete for sure

[white dawn]

Heh, my factories are modest by the standards of many mega-builders here. I tend to just target 2-hour completion times for SE part factories

[still glen]

alr thanks

[still glen]

yup i hate them as well

[rugged stratus]

I always wanted to build a mega factory, but it's just too complicated for me

[still glen]

ok rescan results:

Steeled Frame
Steel Rotor

which?

[hard ivy]

I'd want both

[past steeple]

Steel Rotor tbh

[rugged stratus]

I have to make it good looking and a lot of resources

[still glen]

unfortunately theres a big fat OR on my screen ;(

[wicked nacelle]

if you're not going to use a recipe right away don't pick either -- save them so your next hard drive doesn't repeat the recipe

[white dawn]

Megafactories are certainly complex and difficult. Many folks just default to "centralize production" and don't realize how much more difficult they're making the later game for themselves

[hard ivy]

get more drives then

[past steeple]

Do Steel Rotor, it lets you automate rotors and stators with the same resources. Super valuable

[wicked nacelle]

no don't do either

just sit on the hard drive.

[rugged stratus]

I would take the option to cry

[past steeple]

Why would you sit on the hard drive when a top tier option is right there?

[hard ivy]

take the one that you're more likely to use sooner. or don't take it until you're about to use it

[rugged stratus]

I need both

[rugged stratus]

what if I ran out of nodes?

[white dawn]

Contrary opinion: if you have no particular opinion about recipes, just flip a coin and pick one. You'll get all recipes anyway eventually, and now you've got one more tool in your belt while building future factories

[still glen]

thanks man!

[sharp bay]

I actually have the steel rotor just sitting there rn because I'm still working on a main base exterior rn

[white dawn]

You really have to try hard to actaully exhaust resources in this game. The map (and its resources) are a lot bigger (and more plentiful) than many folks seem to realize

[wicked nacelle]

"top tier"

[rugged stratus]

I would ask you, what's the number that I need for every resource?

[white dawn]

The one possible exception is SAM; some late-game factories could start stretching SAM availability unexpectedly, though even then you can often just start slooping RSAM production to compensate

[white dawn]

Impossible for me to answer, even for myself! I just build what I need Right Now, and then build more later if I need to.

[past steeple]

I would consider a recipe that both removes screws and changes the production line from 4 resources to 2 top tier for sure

[white dawn]

Each factory I make only outputs to my "personal" storage, so the only "how much of X should I make?" question is instead "how quickly do I want my personal storage to replenish while I'm building?"

[pseudo nacelle]

Josh should be hired by coffee stain to be a stress tester

[sharp bay]

No screws = nice

[white dawn]

So I'm technically making, for instance, Rotors in probably dozens of factories all over the map, by the end of the game

[sharp bay]

I mean they used his save file to optimize the game

[white dawn]

So who knows how many I'm making? (I mean, SCIM would tell me, but I generally don't care)

[rugged stratus]

I use a container so what should I do?

[white dawn]

?

[pseudo nacelle]

Wut

[rugged stratus]

Im using a container for store all the items automated from my factory

[sharp bay]

They used his save file to optimize the game

[hard ivy]

a single one? oof

[pseudo nacelle]

Elaborate

[rugged stratus]

how many are you using 😭

[wicked nacelle]

people being afraid of screws makes zero sense. They're trivial

[hard ivy]

one for each? or more?

[sharp bay]

they used his save file to optimize the game how do I even elaborate that

[white dawn]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency describes my general strategy better than I can describe, FWIW. I tend to recommend that to anyone having a hard time dealing with how to deal with the increasing factory demands, and/or wondering how to know "how much" of something to make

[rugged stratus]

one for each factory

[hard ivy]

one for each item

[rugged stratus]

yes

[past steeple]

They are bad because you need a million for each recipe that requires them. It fills up your belts extremely quickly

It also makes it very hard to scale up

[rugged stratus]

ty

[wicked nacelle]

that's because youre doing it wrong.

[white dawn]

The problem is not the screws, it's that the game is trying to teach you "don't centralize screw production" but you're continuing to try to put them all on one belt. :)

[rugged stratus]

so according to this ai limiters are useless and concrete?

[wicked nacelle]

You put IRON on the belts and then make screws as you eat them

[sharp bay]

It's just that they clog up your conveyors lines and you have to split them which is quite annoying

[white dawn]

We usually say "just make screws immediately in front of the machine that needs them. Belt it straight in. No manifolds, no central production. Just feed a machine exactly how many screws it needs."

[hard ivy]

or just don't make screws at all and it's even easier and also cheaper

[wicked nacelle]

you don't put screws on belts except for a 30 meters at a time.

[wicked nacelle]

sure, there are iron wire alts that are cheaper, but still screws aren't something to be afriad of

[white dawn]

The primary reason screws get a bad rap is because people try to centralize production of them, and then run into problems routing hundreds/min around a factory using only mk1 belts, or whatever

[tall plover]

thats what i did and works well

[white dawn]

When really that's the game trying to tell you "Well Don't Do That, Then." :)

[past steeple]

Look, you have fun with your 260 screws a minute, and I will enjoy my 22 concrete a minute instead (taking heavy modular frames as an example)

[rugged stratus]

btw how do you transport resources to your factory?

[white dawn]

'cause yeah, centralizing screw production and then trying to route them around a factory is, indeed, a nightmare. :D I have been there, too

[hard ivy]

that I can agree with. I'd absolutely use screws, if they were worth using

[wicked nacelle]

as soon as you learn the difference between stack efficiency and belt efficiency the game makes a lot more sense

[white dawn]

A combination of belts/pipes, vehicles, trains, and drones, depending on the specific situation (and, of course, what I have unlocked at the time). :)

[rugged stratus]

if they are far away, like 1km

[willow dawn]

ooooh how wonderful it is to build with the hoverpack

[hard ivy]

1km is not far away XD

[white dawn]

Depending on where I am in the game, and what the specific geography looks like, probably a vehicle or drone. But maybe a train, too. :)

[rugged stratus]

I dont have trains and tractors too

[white dawn]

I've done vehicle routes as short as like 200m before. :D

[sharp bay]

I use trains for them cuz it looks cool and it only requires electricity

[rugged stratus]

I just do belt highways

[white dawn]

In general I dislike long belts on aesthetic grounds. But belt highways are certainly a popular option (and I've done that in the past, too)

I much prefer seeing little sugarcubes trundling about (or trains zooming along, or drones zipping about)

[past steeple]

The true late game is looking cool

[wicked nacelle]

with autoconnect, you can make a blueprint that drags 25 belts (or more) each click... you just have to have the resources to support that burn rate 🙂

I have an 8 pipe blueprint that I use --- but I have to stock up with sheets because DD can't keep up

[rugged stratus]

and how are you sure that they are transporting the right amount of resources that your factory needs?

[wicked nacelle]

it's easy to over-ship by a lot and then just not worry about it

[rugged stratus]

alr ty

[wicked nacelle]

trains have massive throughput but are unreliable to try to figure out actual rates. So you just eat more and more until they don't keep up then add another duplicate train. Then after doing that a few times you add a duplicate station 🙂

[naive palm]

Hello fellow pioneers and belt nudgers.
Is this the appropriate channel for a sort of meta early/midgame question?

[rugged stratus]

what should I automate? Modular frames, steel pipe, steel beam, rotors or enchased industrial beams?

[past steeple]

yes

[white dawn]

Partially by just having taken the time to learn how to use vehicles, trains, and drones "properly"

[wicked nacelle]

all the above.

[white dawn]

But in the end it's just like making sure that a belt is giving you what you want.

[rugged stratus]

thank you with your very precise answer, I appreciate

[hard ivy]

eh, I'd say it can be estimated down to probably 10% accuracy

[clever sandal]

does anyone here know swedish

[rugged stratus]

I dont have the rotors without screws

[past steeple]

Hey, you do need a metric truck ton of all of them, so all of the above is the correct answer

[white dawn]

X/min goes in, X/min goes out. For "bulk" delivery options like vehicles/trains/drones, you'd want to watch the delivery on at least one cycle to ensure that you're not trying to send too much material through a single vehicle/car/drone. And if you are, then just add another.

[wicked nacelle]

@rugged stratus figure out how many machines you can support with screws off your current belts. Then make groupings of screw makers and screw eaters that your belt can support. build them next to each other. Only belt in iron ingots from outside that module

[rugged stratus]

Im just waiting for alt recepy on rotors

[wicked nacelle]

I have a blueprint I just drop down that makes rotors, one for frames, one for RIP and each of them just takes in iron ingots and outputs their desired output -- and I can just tile them to make as many as I want. any extra iron ingots just get autoconnected to the next copy

[white dawn]

Disagree re: unreliable, btw. I would agree that it's often not worth trying to calculate beforehand -- just when you're setting up a route, watch to see how it goes and then add more cars if you need to. But so long as you're not running really close to a single car's throughput limit, on a given route, trains will generally tolerate quite a bit of variability in round-trip time due to busy intersections and such

[wicked nacelle]

That's why I said 'actual rates' -- it's easy to figure out if it'll be enough if you just massively oversupply which is what I do

[north cobalt]

40 smelters for iron should last some time right?

[past steeple]

Xaxxon, do you play Satisfactory PLUS by chance?

[rugged stratus]

for example, you need 500 iron ore/min, and you use a train, on a miner that produces 500 iron ore/min, but the time that the train will go from the station to take iron ore to your factory, you factory will be without iron ore for a while

[wicked nacelle]

sort of?

[north cobalt]

i am about to unlock phase 2

[hard ivy]

have a buffer then

[rugged stratus]

what's a buffer

[hard ivy]

a container

[rugged stratus]

that wouldn't solve the problem

[wicked nacelle]

as long as you have one item per car, trains are just an extension of a manifold and behave exactly the same as any other part of a manifold

[white dawn]

That's why you build buffers in. Your train will deliver 500/min's worth of material every 6-7 minutes or whatever (say, 3500 iron ore). It takes the factory 6-7 minutes to chew through that backlog. By the time it's almost done, the next train delivery arrives

[hard ivy]

it does tho

[wicked nacelle]

if you have exactly balanced production to consumption, it will reach equilibrium.

[white dawn]

The train station itself has a buffer, but I always recommend using an extra layer of your own ISCs as buffer inbetween

[rugged stratus]

oh

now I understand

[white dawn]

Letting the buffer fill up a bit before actually turning the factory on will prevent even small variations in round-trip times from temporarily starving your factories (but even if you don't let the buffers fill, small variations in round-trip times will only cause minor blips once, at which time your buffers will remain forever "ahead of the game")

[still glen]

i see a lot people use storage containers as buffers, can i ask how they actually help? or what a buffer does exactly?

[wicked nacelle]

train stations stop transferring out when a train is unloading. By having 2 belts from the freight platform out to a container but only one belt out of the container you basically guarnatee that the container will provide a full belt the whole time. You can run into problems if you have too many trains stopping at one station and eventually you have to build another station to give them more time to unload before another train pauses it again

[rugged stratus]

120 steel pipes are good?

[white dawn]

What xaxxon said, basically

[north cobalt]

i cant believe there is a special voice line for blowing up the tall fat beasts

[past steeple]

Don't blow up Bean 😠

[north cobalt]

too late

[naive palm]

So I tend to hit this rut right at the start of petroleum processing.
I've gotten past the tier several times, but it usually involves running the world's ugliest belt lines overland.

I'm not obsessed with aesthetics, but I'd love some new ideas on how to sensibly string together my factories and oil fields to beat phase 3 in style.

[past steeple]

🙀

[leaden ether]

TO be clear, if you have your factory output connected directly to a train depot. When the train is in the station the entire factory will be shut down for 15 seconds or so. The container allows the factory to keep running, filling the container till the train leaves the station. Same thing happens on the other side except your factory there would get starved for 15 seconds. A buffer prevents that.

[flat helm]

i found another lizard doggo

[white dawn]

Vehicles and trains, at that point in the game.

[wicked nacelle]

I make plastic and rubber in bulk where the oil is and then train that to whatever wants it. Trains are amazing for plastic/rubber and also aluminum products, as both raw materials are localized to certain parts of the map

[hard ivy]

27.08 seconds, actually

[flat helm]

zarlock the destroyer of galaxies has a friend now

jeremy the bringer of merriment

[leaden ether]

Heh.

[white dawn]

And also trying to just keep factories located near the nodes they need, rather than having to ship the material at all. But oil products are one of the first cases where some degree of centralization for those products is often kind of necessary

[north cobalt]

stacking?

[white dawn]

But yeah, trains are often the logistic method of choice for plastic+rubber stuff, just 'cause you'll have unlocked trains pretty much right then.

[wicked nacelle]

the machines have buffers, so it really depends on the production numbers and stack sizes...

[north cobalt]

i mean belt and pipe stacking

and wall holes

[naive palm]

All sound, sensible, efficient answers @white dawn and @wicked nacelle. Gotta get my train game up. Thank you kindly for your input!

[wicked nacelle]

and the numbers you'll eventually need to move grow to train-type numbers

[wicked nacelle]

if you want help learning trains, there are always a number of people around here willing to help. They can be intimidating at first but actually aren't that complicated to do well.

[white dawn]

As with the other logistics methods in the game, trains definitely have a learning curve. I'd recommend thinking of them as another problem to solve, along the same lines as "oh, I need a factory to produce X," rather than just "this'll solve my logistics problems"

[naive palm]

Thank you! Train logistics makes good sense to me. Train aesthetics.. I need to work on.

wobbly train tracks overland can look just as bad as forever belts xD

[wicked nacelle]

hides in shame with his wobbly tracks

[white dawn]

If you want to start out easy-mode, a single train track with a dual-headed train is perfectly sufficient for A<->B site transfers. Just remember that putting more than one train on a single-track system is difficult-to-impossible depending on how you want to do it. :)

[keen horizon]

Guys sad news, long time ago i ofter post pictures of me in a factory saying: satisfactory be like, i got arrested but I'm back

(Just kidding I just quit my job)

[flat helm]

i think jeremy the bringer of merriment is stupid he keeps getting caught on trees and rocks

[white dawn]

(If you want to re-use sections of rail for multiple trains at the same time, doing a dual-rail system kind of like a road network, where trains are always driving on the "left" or "right" side, is far easier in the long run)

[wicked nacelle]

and then as you expand, you have to build out new point to point rails... whereas a 2-rail highway system can support essentially any number of trains with just those two tracks

[willow dawn]

I recommend making a couple of blueprints with foundations and some decorations, straight, and both turns at least. That way put down new beautiful track is as easy as pie

[white dawn]

Yeah, 2-rail systems are much better in the long run. But simple single-track A-to-B setups are perfectly fine too

[past steeple]

Hey, don't judge jeremy, he is doing his best

[naive palm]

Thank you friends. I'm 800hrs in, I'm not sure why I just now thought, "Why don't I hang out with my ficsit friends and share knowledge?"

[cedar portal]

You can do a single track system if you make it a big circle.

Trains will take longer to make a round trip but it works perfectly fine. You can make loops off of it as well to reach other nodes.

[white dawn]

Ah, yeah, that's true; one-way loops can work just fine. Round-trip times could end up being a lot longer than they'd otherwise need to be, but in the end it's only throughput that matters, so that may not be a concern

[wicked nacelle]

that's true but you're very limited in how you build it and how you expand it.

and you still need to learn signaling so that all the trains aren't just waiting in a line

[willow dawn]

Ehmmm I just got a message saying server will restart in 60 minutes.... but I am not playing on a server...huh?

[wicked nacelle]

24 reboot time

[cedar portal]

You can make shortcuts to cut down on some of the longer seections. Eventually when you addd enough shortcuts and loops to reach other places you end up with somethign similar to a two way in the end. 🙂

[white dawn]

All of the framework for multiplayer is still there in the background; you're sort of connecting to a "local" server even when you're singleplayer

[wicked nacelle]

the game has resource leaks so it just restarts every day if you leave it up that long.

[willow dawn]

Ok, interesting

[wicked nacelle]

once your world gets big enough that's not actually often enough and the game just crashes

[white dawn]

That has also led to weirdness in the past because your player ID ends up being different if your're logged into your storefront versus when you're offline. So someone's internet would go down, and they'd hop into their singleplayer Satisfactory game, and spawn in as a new person. Would have to go find your old pawn and kill it to get your inventory back, etc.

[hard ivy]

you can change the restart interval

[willow dawn]

The game is forcing me to stop! hahaha

[white dawn]

I think that was largely cleaned up in 1.0 with some tweaks to make it more-fully "singleplayer" if that's what you choose while starting the game, but there's still other servery things happening in the background

[willow dawn]

Might not be such a bad idea... I build 3 floors of my super computer factory, now I only need to do the assembly floor and it's done

[drifting current]

Hello ! What's the actual top 10 of the game rn ?

[naive palm]

satisfactory 🤝 lethal company
"So long friend. I need the resources"

[white dawn]

1. Factory Cart
2. Screws
3. ...

[hard ivy]

top 10 what?

[drifting current]

Most sized save sorry

[white dawn]

I'm not sure anyone here has the omniscience necessary to know who's got the biggest savegame

[willow dawn]

Excuse me, what about TRAINS? 😛

[hard ivy]

50 MB I'd hazard a guess

[drifting current]

There is no leaderboards ?

[white dawn]

lol, no.

I wonder what a Satisfactory leaderboard would even track

[past steeple]

Honestly, Idek what the leaderboards would track

[white dawn]

Days-since-last-accident, perhaps?

[north cobalt]

i am 2 versatiles frame off

[willow dawn]

Leaderboard? I don't play big, I like to build small and efficient

[hard ivy]

beans killed

[past steeple]

Total amount of Iron mined?

[past steeple]

NO

LEAVE BEAN ALONE

[drifting current]

Ok because my friend have a save file between 250 and 300 mb

[drifting current]

Is that high ?

[hard ivy]

more like kB

[drifting current]

Nah mb

[naive palm]

That would be a shocking amount of factory to make a 250mb satisfactory save

[white dawn]

Yeah, sounds implausibly high. Your friend's either mistaken or lying. :)

[hard ivy]

nah a 300 MB save wouldn't even load probably

[past steeple]

Would need a Nasa level pc to run that level of file

[drifting current]

Yes that's what he told me but he showed me a leaderboard where he was like top 5

[white dawn]

Presumably a leaderboard they HTML'd up themselves, or something. :P

[hard ivy]

what fkn leaderboard lmao

[distant pulsar]

I've actually gone pro at satisfactory

[drifting current]

And his save is at least 250 mb he showed me

[distant pulsar]

in the MLG league

[past steeple]

Photoshop doing WORK

[wicked nacelle]

that's not an interesting metric. I could make an arbitrarily large save in SCIM in 5 minutes

[white dawn]

Well, I hope your friend enjoys their 250MB save. The questions about leaderboards and savegame size is pretty nonsensical, though

[willow dawn]

Profecional Pioneer, also... pp

[hard ivy]

yeah, you know, 250 milibits is 8*10^12 times less than 250 MB

[drifting current]

Like 250 Megabytes

[hard ivy]

that's MB

[drifting current]

Yes

[hard ivy]

my 500h save is 22 MB so I call bullshit

[wicked nacelle]

waving goodbye to my terawatt power 😦 Need those 10 sloops back from my power augmenter

[distant pulsar]

I challenge your friend to a 1v1 in satisfactory -- dune dessert start no mods

[past steeple]

My late game world, about to finish the game, has 3 MB, I also call BS

[distant pulsar]

fastest to 1 terabyte save file wins

[drifting current]

He's just playing and afking all day

[wispy condor]

Nah uh

[wicked nacelle]

my late game saves are ~30MB. still nowhere near 10x that

[past steeple]

Both of yall's computers would light on fire

[white dawn]

I did find a reddit post from ~6yrs ago with a number of folks claiming to have >300MB saves. I wonder if the compression (or lack of?) was different in the early days

[willow dawn]

That doesn't make your file bigger

[wicked nacelle]

saying goodbye to 245GW 😦

[past steeple]

I am sure the efficiency of the code has increased dramatically in the past 6 years

[jovial karma]

Is there anybody that wants to join my world to just check it out and maybe give me a few tips on how to improve it? im very new so its not advanced at all but i love optmizing and improving my factory

[drifting current]

Yes but it is 275,468 MB

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[hard ivy]

it has improved a lot in the past 2-3 y already

[wicked nacelle]

post there

[flat helm]

guys i got another lizard doggo but when i came back my first one was there and he's alive he just isnt following me or walking around he's just standing there and like doing the idle things

[willow dawn]

Sure 🙂

[wispy condor]

I have almost 2000 hours of play without afk , why i should lie

[jovial karma]

Oh okay, my bad

[white dawn]

Anyway, it's kind of a ridiculous comparison anyway. As I say, nobody's got the omniscience necessary to know who's got the biggest savegame, and the knowledge wouldn't really mean anything even if we did have an answer

[wicked nacelle]

there's a lot of people that want people to come to their server so don't be shocked if you don't get a lot of interest. but that doesn't mean that you did it wrong. just means the answer is likely "no"

[finite garnet]

@wise ice you can turn off those white lines around objects in settings

[naive palm]

My favorite satisfactory metric is when somebody goes out of their mind optimizing the entire map to produce some random mid-tier resource.

Optimization for the sake of it > savegame size

[white dawn]

I'd rather see some glamour shots of factories than a ||bleep||-measuring contest based on filesize. :) Show us your factory porn instead!

[flat helm]

nevermind i left and rejoined and it fixed it yippee

[autumn turtle]

if i merge all my pipes into one pipe and have a water tower pump and feed it back into main pipe system, would it input headlift into all pipes attached to that water network?

[past steeple]

Sir/Ma'am, that is 275 GB

[willow dawn]

I wish I could zoop signs....

[past steeple]

That is ~1/8th of my hard drive

[distant pulsar]

I'll show you my file size if you show me yours 🥰

[drifting current]

Sorry It's more like 275.468

[willow dawn]

Banned! Straight jail for that naughty talk!

[north cobalt]

welp, phase 2 adquired, enough satisfactory for a day

[past steeple]

Its not about the size of the file, its how you use it

[hard ivy]

windows shows in kB tho

[white dawn]

Hmm, wonder if Infinite Zoop lets you do that

[past steeple]

See you in about 30 mins when you decide to play again

[white dawn]

Or, uh, Smart? Was that the other zoopy mod thing?

[willow dawn]

mod I assume?

[white dawn]

(It's been awhile)

[wispy condor]

It depends your windows language

[distant pulsar]

this is so true and not talked about enough

[north cobalt]

dont try to tempt me

[drifting current]

275 468 KB

[white dawn]

Yeah. I'm not really up on their capabilities nowadays; last time I used mods was U3 (not because my attitude towards mods changed; I just didn't want to get used to something that could get broken with game updates)

[hard ivy]

why would the unit depend on the language

[north cobalt]

i learned way too well with cracktorio about addictions

[wispy condor]

Translation of bytes in different languages

[willow dawn]

I haven't even touched them yet, wanted to play vanilla first but I might look into that...

[obsidian vapor]

yo chat. I've got me a base in the grasslands right.
but I'm about to head into steel production and would like to move my base.
Do you guys have any recommendations on where I should build?

General location is fine I should be able to figure it out 😂

[hard ivy]

? it's a standard unit, same regardless of language

[wispy condor]

Nope

[willow dawn]

Understandable

[wicked nacelle]

don't "move your base" just make another factory and bring the steel where you need it. there is no "perfect location" for your "main base" -- the map is designed as such

This will become more and more obvious as you get into oil and then aluminum

[obsidian vapor]

I'm planning to. but currently it's in a.. sub-optimal location.

[willow dawn]

I think watching my perfectly efficient factory run might be my new kink

[obsidian vapor]

^ Agreed.

[wicked nacelle]

You know what's worse than making stuff at a sub-optimal location? tearing it down and making nothing there 🙂

[willow dawn]

Just floating here, staring and drueling 😛

[obsidian vapor]

Well i'm planning on using the area just not for my "main base"

[white dawn]

Instead of tearing it down: just grab some materials and start building new stuff elsewhere. Leave the old stuff running. That way you also get the bonus of having a source of more building material if you run out

[obsidian vapor]

as it is quite far from quartz/caterium/sulfer

and I will eventually have infrastracture of trains and trucks and whatnot. but it's not feasible yet

[white dawn]

It's not uncommon to want a fresh start somewhere else when playing through the first time (or even in subsequent times); I just personally wouldn't waste the time to tear it down. Let it be; at a minimum you can go visit it later and shake your head at what Past You was up to. :)

[obsidian vapor]

I'm also about to get mk3 belts and mk2 miners so I think I may re-build the factory a bit anyway.

[wise ice]

Oh cool, thanks. I'll check it out!

[wicked nacelle]

or just set it up to slam out smart plates. future you will be very happy with present you

[white dawn]

As for the resource proximity thing, there are practically no spots on the map that are ideally placed near all resources. I wouldn't worry about that one too much. I tend to recommend just building smaller factories near the nodes they need, and expanding out as you do. (That's easiest done when you're comfortable with vehicle/train/drone/whatever logistics, of course)

[past steeple]

Ya know, looking at the screenshot I just posted in the screenshots channel, I realize how much I may have been like LGIO lol

[white dawn]

Being far away from quartz/caterium/sulfur/other-stuff is just the game's way of encouraging you to start building out, not necessarily moving existing stuff.

[wicked nacelle]

before then long belts are fine. Or just buildinginto containers and then running stuff around with the playe rinventory. Your inventory is actually surprisingly large

[past steeple]

To a smaller extent

[placid haven]

Decoupled camera: How do I reset the position? It stays where I left it, on another floor, only accessible by elevator, which is really annoying

I shouldn't have to walk the fucking camera like a dog

[white dawn]

I keenly remember on my first playthrough looking with a sort of sense of despair at my factory and thinking "I honestly was not trying to emulate LGIO runs."

[past steeple]

It may be a spaghetti monster, but it is MY spaghetti monster

[white dawn]

One attempts to avoid spaghetti, but the spaghetti sometimes comes to visit anyway

Practice helps, of course. :)

[past steeple]

Perhaps I judged Josh too harshly

[white dawn]

Can you re-couple and then re-de-couple it? I promise that's how word prefixes work

[past steeple]

But if they do that, they might have to un-re-de-couple it

[obsidian vapor]

the problem so far is i've kinda had the mindset of "this is temporary" as I've not really put much thought into the factories and as such i'm not super happy with it.
I think I will just
rebuild what I already have into a better purpose

Like Xaxxon said smart plating would be epic.. but I really need steel production setup first.. which probably means moving my power plant to the coal lake.

Thanks for the help!

[past steeple]

There is an old saying in the IT industry: Nothing is as permanent as a temporary solution

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, I get it. I tore down my own whole "starter" factory area in the end, on my first playthrough too. I expect that's quite common

[wicked nacelle]

you know which factory you also won't like? Your next one 🙂 The game makes it hard to make a pretty factory intentionally

[placid haven]

If I do so on a different floor, it pops between first person and where I left the camera

[obsidian vapor]

yeah. gotta make it pretty at least. and i finally got all the awesome shop stuff for it

[wicked nacelle]

(spoiler: you won't like the one after that, either 🙂

[obsidian vapor]

^ there is one factory that was shaping up quite nicely but I abandoned it
lemme find the screenshots and post them in #screenshots

[white dawn]

Heh, sounds frustrating. No clue personally, I'm afraid; I still haven't had a chance to actually play in 1.1

[obsidian vapor]

actually better idea.
I'll take new ones

[burnt ferry]

is it possible to model the recycled plastic/rubber loop in satisfactory modeler? whenever i drag one output in a circular manner back to an input, all numbers change to zero. i used priority mergers but it still zeros everything once the loop is closed

[wispy condor]

why prod random mid game ressources when we can overuse the engine with end game prod

[hard ivy]

prio splitters and mergers

[burnt ferry]

split at output, higher prio to storage, merge at input, higher prio from othe recycled recipe?

[hard ivy]

there's a ss in #math-and-meta of someone doing it correctly

[cedar portal]

Is there any way to mirror the hypertube branch? I want to exit the other side but can only rotate it.

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1395881823866851429/image.png?ex=687c0fc1&is=687abe41&hm=04df7d3a223db46ca9748f3333de7d770afba2e22bd4264d1944e27190ec0a6a& ? or something else?

[burnt ferry]

ah right.. lower prio to storage then

[wicked nacelle]

I just make 2 rows of 16 refineries. 8 go straight to "profit" the other 8 feed the other line of 16.

[burnt ferry]

first you set the direction of travel with the mousewheel, then you click, then you can rotate around the tube with the mouse wheel

[stiff ibex]

anyone know whats the current power record? highest ive seen was 4.4 TW from 6 years ago and i wanna break it

[hard ivy]

only if you want equal ratio of both

[graceful pawn]

i wish the desert was flat so i could just bhop all day every day

[cedar portal]

Thats what i was looking for, thankss!

[hard ivy]

theoretical max is ~19 TW rn

[wicked nacelle]

the secret is you don't send max fuel for the number of refineries. You send less and then it will adjust on its own

[willow dawn]

No bladerunners yet?

[stiff ibex]

you mean terawatt?

[cedar portal]

I can rotate after the first click but only when placing it into a junction, not on the ground.

[stiff ibex]

and why is that?

item limit?

[graceful pawn]

nah, but bhoppings gotta be faster cause i had some in my old janky save, and bladerunners nowhere near as fast as this

[hard ivy]

resource and Sloop limit

[graceful pawn]

if im thinkin bout the right thing

[half scaffold]

Dumb question... Are the resource nodes infinite? Or will they run out if I just mine them and let the game run unattended for a while

[graceful pawn]

inf

[willow dawn]

You hop faster and have less issues with ground uneaveness

[limpid orchid]

I wanted to Ask, does anyone know if theres a Reason why in Multiplayer you cant see how much a player is away?

[graceful pawn]

ahh gotchu

[wicked nacelle]

infinite

[stiff ibex]

but thats consistent power, whats the record for at one time

[wicked nacelle]

that's silly

[graceful pawn]

i think dyson sphere program nodes are finite

[burnt ferry]

im trying to model it in satisfactory modeler, which is a free tool you can download on steam... im not handling the loop properly in it

[stiff ibex]

or theoretical limit

[willow dawn]

Also less fall damage, altogether, get them as soon as possible

[graceful pawn]

gotchu, preciate it

[stiff ibex]

its just as silly as getting to 19 TW constantly, its not like theres a need for either

[wicked nacelle]

it's literally the number of whatever the most dense power generator by volume is filling the entire map. then you jsut flip the switch since you can have as much fuel stored as you want

[shy mulch]

I'd love to see that though 😂

[burnt ferry]

it cant be constant either as geysirs dont deliver constant supply, no?

[stiff ibex]

I think lag becomes a bigger limiter than space though

[limpid orchid]

I wanted to Ask, does anyone know if theres a Reason why in Multiplayer you cant see how much a player is away?

[hard ivy]

the theoretical limit for momentary power is probably the float value limit. so like 2*10^304 iirc?

[burnt ferry]

also i wonder whether they played through all variants of building the power augmenters vs. sloping power production resources

[wicked nacelle]

You'd never beat the power augmenters as sloops in machines are limited by the amount a machine can produce. vs multiplying ALL resources at once

[stiff ibex]

my goal is 10 TW rn, i was under the assumption that around 1.5 TW was the theoretical limit for consistent power

[wicked nacelle]

I have (had) 1.05 with just a couple fuel fields and 100 nuclera generators (and a power augmenter with scooby snacks)

[wispy condor]

i have 11 Tw of power
im planning for 20

[hard ivy]

actually, you get more power using 8 or 9 augmenters than you get from 10

[wicked nacelle]

oh I guess tha tmakes sense... as everything you make is multiplied by a lot

[stiff ibex]

overclocked nuclear or no

[burnt ferry]

you can quadrupel outputs by slopping 2 production steps @wicked nacelle

[stiff ibex]

i guess ill have to go for 30 now lol

[cedar portal]

Ok... how do you navigate hypertube junctions? i can't seem to switch.

[wicked nacelle]

everything is always overclocked. too mayn buildings without that

[burnt ferry]

whereas augmenters multiply only once

[wispy condor]

lol

[wicked nacelle]

and the water pipes get silly obnoxious

[stiff ibex]

100 overclocked nuclear plants is already the whole supply of uranium no? or almost the whole supply?

[wicked nacelle]

not even close. That's about... 1500 uranium/m?

probably less if you use more efficient recipes

[hard ivy]

2100 uranium can power 252 nuke plants

just uranium rods

and no sloops

[wicked nacelle]

that def sounds pretty close if not exactly right

[wispy condor]

1008 at 200% is only 5 TW ( 5 040 000 )

[hard ivy]

252 at 100% is 100.8 full OC tho

krieg is correct

[burnt ferry]

also the multiplying power of slopping a single production step is 2.. that of the augmenter is 1.1 so clearly there is room to optimize

and also.. who cares about power 😂

[wicked nacelle]

as was stated though, after you have a bunch of augmenters online, every generator is massively multiplied

[stiff ibex]

most of what ive done is just off of the satisfactory production planner, this discord is the first time ive talked with other people about satisfactory stuff

[burnt ferry]

yep but doing the one doesnt exclude the other... and if its only to have 1 or 2 augmenters less like kyo suggested

[hard ivy]

the production planner on SCIM? ouch

[stiff ibex]

SCIM?

idk just the website lol

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production

[stiff ibex]

whats bad about SCIM?

[hard ivy]

this one?

[stiff ibex]

yea

[wicked nacelle]

the map is great, a lot of people aren't fans of the planner - it works fine for what I use it for

[burnt ferry]

the plannner is crap yea 😂

[stiff ibex]

why?

[hard ivy]

the map is good, but the calculator is garbage

[burnt ferry]

zooming in it... on a trackpad... nightmare

[hard ivy]

it only works well if you don't use alts

[wicked nacelle]

if you don't selectively use alts? I use it with alts all the time

[stiff ibex]

it has options for alternate though

[hard ivy]

have fun calculating the recycling loop in it then

[burnt ferry]

feels like the steam tool is the best for planning.. the others have too little influence of individual output of machinery

[stiff ibex]

although the selection menu is ass for alts

[dense violet]

you're not going to treat it like a sand box and create your own systems? apart from the elevator?

[hard ivy]

and yeah, you have to select alts one by one, and exactly the ones you want to use and not a single one more

[willow dawn]

I use tools for calculating new factories and calculator for the map lol

[wispy condor]

who cares about alts recipes

[hard ivy]

the best combo tbh

[wicked nacelle]

You get 1 plastic or rubber per fuel in. why do I need to calculate it

[stiff ibex]

the recycling loop of the uranium waste? forgive me for asking so many questions im new to the "meta"

[burnt ferry]

right, absolutely nobody 😂

[hard ivy]

the recycled rubber/plastic loop

[hard ivy]

the number of machines?

[wicked nacelle]

calculator does well with knowing that nuclear plants are the "factory" for nuclear wste

[hard ivy]

everyone who is good at the game

[burnt ferry]

more than that

[stiff ibex]

ohhh

[burnt ferry]

everybody who trys to be good as well

[distant pulsar]

I don't think anyone here would know unless a dev happens to be paying attention. This was just a decision someone made while making the game.

[wispy condor]

LOL

[stiff ibex]

can somebody link me to a better production planner?

[burnt ferry]

steam tool

[wispy condor]

satisfactory modeler on steam it's free

[burnt ferry]

satisfactory modeler

[hard ivy]

satisfactory tools

[cedar portal]

It's been a sandbox the whole time. I've got 1000 hours in this save. Hypertube networks, trains, hypertube launcher networks, portals, nuclear up to ficsonium, making all the things and everything with depot storage...

[hard ivy]

modeler is even more manual than calculator. imo, that makes it worse

[stiff ibex]

oh its an actual like game on steam i see

[burnt ferry]

ye

[stiff ibex]

thank you guys

[lean ferry]

guys im tier 6 rn I have 2 stacks and 60/min upload speed for dimensional depot. I have a few mercer spheres and I alr have one connected to steel beams. What else shoudl I connect to?

[burnt ferry]

unfortunately this means you cant run it on a second pc while playing the game on another

well iirc you can run it but it wont sync to cloud then if you dont stop steam on the gaming pc and restart it on the other

[dense violet]

eh, before you finish all the phases you're making stuff for hte milestones, not your own personal projects

[cedar portal]

I started this save back in release 1 so I've finished all the phases several times now as they added more 😄

[lean ferry]

so what else should I connect to dimensional depot

[stray loom]

Whatever you find yourself running out of

[wicked nacelle]

eventually every "ammo type" and then everything that you can use in your build gun

[wispy condor]

everything

[white dawn]

Eventually, you'll want to have literally every building material / ammo / healthitem / jetpackfuel / etc that you use hooked up

[wicked nacelle]

and then for some things like concrete, you attach them multiple times to increase upload rate

[white dawn]

Though in the short term, while you're still hunting spheres, just whatever you seem to run out of the most. :)

[past steeple]

Typically all materials used by the build gun, all ammo, and a backup art of gear just in case

[lean ferry]

no like priority

[stiff ibex]

plates concrete

[lean ferry]

im only tier 6 so I dont know what to do first

[wicked nacelle]

yep, but the backup gear you just upload from your inventory 🙂

[white dawn]

Only you can decide what you most want to have in there. :)

[tall plover]

Okay so i just found a bugged zone where theres water physics applying in the air for no reason at coords 1238, -1588

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah we like that space

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[burnt ferry]

did you had to crawl through a cave entrance before?

[lean ferry]

ill do plates, concrete rods and steel beams

[past steeple]

True, not really a reason to automate backup gear lol, even if you could

[tall plover]

no

[burnt ferry]

buddy of mine found such area yesterday

[drifting fern]

how would you guys recommend getting the golden nut statue

[lean ferry]

when I get better production ill do encased

[white dawn]

Yeah, can report at the Questions site (linked above), though I'm guessing that's already been reported

[stiff ibex]

usually whatever your highest tier of conveyor is currently is a good item to stock in dimensional

[mortal ginkgo]

just stock all materials

[tall plover]

#screenshots, will report it, cool spot tho

[white dawn]

Sinking resources to get coupons is the usual route. :) An easier method is to enable Advanced Game Settings and just give it to yourself. :)

[drifting fern]

but thats cheating

[white dawn]

Technically it's just advanced!

[stiff ibex]

dont spend all your coupons early like I did, they get exponentially more expensive

[drifting fern]

whats the fastest way to sink reasources

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1395887035482640515/image.png?ex=687c149b&is=687ac31b&hm=6972fa7b9a78b5fcae4f177993214b6c6a27dce0e1fc754107fed61fc56770da& chainsaw on a belt 🙂 So you can't build them automated but you COULD make a full container of them and hook it up to a DD

[wispy condor]

nah , that's creative Kappa

[burnt ferry]

its payback to ficsit cheating on you

[white dawn]

The wiki has a list of all the point values, if you want to look it up. (search for "awesome sink.")

[drifting fern]

could i just go to all resource nodes and shove them in?

[stiff ibex]

the higher tier item your sinking the more its worth, but you can start by sinking any excess or overflow on your lines

[white dawn]

My advice, though: sink literally everything. For everything you have going to storage, put a Smart Splitter in front of it, with an Overflow output going to the sink

[mortal ginkgo]

after phase 5 complete, you can sink the final items

[stiff ibex]

ore/ingots are worth basically nothing

[wispy condor]

sink all your overflow products

[drifting fern]

ye, its my last achievement, just completed the game so

[wicked nacelle]

You have to be REALLY careful with that if you're splitting off a raw resource to build multiple things. Sinking an intermediary product can stop your manifold from reaching equilibrium

[drifting fern]

i could just put everything to the sink

[white dawn]

Why do you have an intermediate product heading into storage?

[wicked nacelle]

for example if you have a steel factory building pipes/beams and you put a sink on "excess" of each then the factory can't adjust excess steel to make more beams or pipes depending on demand

because instead of diverting excess steel to make beams you'll just run out and it will sink pipes instead

[prisma yoke]

chat im planning a new coal power plant (im in phase 2 rn). should i try out compacted coal or is it not worth it. im leaning towards yes

[wispy condor]

yes , just put a smart splitter and put an overflow belt to go to the sink

[wicked nacelle]

not worth

[hard ivy]

make enough steel for both?

[drifting fern]

ye

[wispy condor]

just go with normal coal

[white dawn]

I've never built a factory which needs to respond to variable demand. :)

[wicked nacelle]

but then I could just support more demand by not sinking int

[drifting fern]

what can i use programmable splitters for? What makes them more usefull than smart splitters?

[prisma yoke]

to be clear i have a coal power plant already producing 600 mw, but im gonna need more power for my factory to produce as⁠sembly parts and just for general expansion

[white dawn]

Sure, if you're building factories which have to respond to variable demand, then you have to be careful in a lot of ways, true.

[drifting fern]

is it like if i wanna make huge belts that go to different factories?

[placid haven]

Multiple item checks per output rather than just one

[wicked nacelle]

if you calculate everything to the item and do load balancing then great. but if you make manifold systems that overproduce then you're wasting a lot of raw resources

[drifting fern]

ah

[willow dawn]

pew, factory goes down....and it's back

[wicked nacelle]

it breaks the massive benefit of manifold systems which greatly simplifies the game

[white dawn]

No, I just make a factory which produces exactly what it needs, and then that factory's done, and its overflow can go safely to a sink

[willow dawn]

That was a lot of warnings for a restart that lasted 5 seconds

[past steeple]

Ye, all gear is worth tickets, so all would have to be able to be put on a belt. Would be a fun project lol

[white dawn]

No load balancing or wasted resources to speak of

[wicked nacelle]

what it needs will likely constantly change ver time. By not sinking you get a LOT of flexibility to not have to mess with it later on

[burnt ferry]

no

[white dawn]

If you decide to do it that way, sure. But I don't. :)

[burnt ferry]

if you say the factory produces that then it will do that

[wispy condor]

sushi belts i think

[white dawn]

I tend to follow Independency pretty closely in general

[wicked nacelle]

that's fine, but not everyone wants to have to redo a bunch of stuff if their plans change

[burnt ferry]

if you need more youd have to build a secon dfactory sinking and producing the same way as the first one

[placid haven]

Works great for Factorio. Really sucks for Satisfactory

[burnt ferry]

you can then decide to make one big factory out of the two or not

[white dawn]

I've never had to redo my stuff in response to changing plans

[burnt ferry]

still applying the same sinking an dproducing rules

[cedar portal]

I've been playign with hypertube junctionss, are they simply unuseable if you use multiple entrances for high acceleration? They come up and go by so fast I can't press E, especially as the frame rate is near zero from teh game having to load in all the terrain

[white dawn]

Why would I redo a factory which is producing what I wanted it to produce?

[wicked nacelle]

works GREAT in satisfactory. manifolds reaching equilibrium is a great feature of the design

[wicked nacelle]

plans change.

[hard ivy]

then they were bad plans

[placid haven]

Demolish entire thing or build new, is the clean way to do it. Blueprints make it trivial.

[wicked nacelle]

you get better tools too if you're not doing it with max level gear

[white dawn]

Sorry, struggling to understand what changed plans would result in me, like, not wanting Steel Beams anymore

[wicked nacelle]

I'd rather work on something else instead.

[wicked nacelle]

it's the RATIO that changes

[prisma yoke]

i think i might disregard the ominous advice ive been given and go for compacted coal anyway. i wanna push coal power so i dont need to worry about my grid for a while. i shouldve mentioned this in my original question but im pretty late into phase 2 and i pretty much just have the project as⁠sembly parts left

[past steeple]

Hook up a double chest buffer and sink the extra. That will be plenty for almost any project that might change the plans

[placid haven]

Same, that's why I don't touch a base once I've completed it

[white dawn]

Again, my Steel Beam factory only outputs to my personal storage

[burnt ferry]

you are viewing this from a perspective where you are not building complete factories with set outputs and inputs.. so the approach of playing apo suggests is contrary to the one you hve in mind