satisfactory

[edgy bolt]

Yep thats why I chainsaw them lol

[south sinew]

I prefer nobelisks over chainsaw

anything you can chainsaw you can nobelisk but not vice versa and you don't have to hang on to useless solid fuel

[twilit escarp]

well, i just started a new save so, chainsaw it is

[edgy bolt]

I've been using explosive rebar on all the gas things I come across

[twilit escarp]

(i didnt even reached coal yet)

[edgy bolt]

Cluster noblisk is beast!!!

[wicked marlin]

I just realized.
Trucks get fuel from any station that gives fuel. They don’t need to load from it. You COULD set up fueling stations for a truck network where they can just sit for a minute before going off again to finish the route.

[steady hemlock]

my trian station wont give me the option to load and or unload

[wicked marlin]

Did you check the individual freight segments or just the head of the whole station?

[steady hemlock]

what do you mean? the sation has power and the station the stuff is as says outgoing items a min and th receiving says incoming items a min

[heady night]

<@&387163995947270144> AI generated image in screenshot channel

[open pollen]

Which image is the AI one?

[steady hemlock]

I GOT IT WORKING

[red sun]

i think it's been deleted already

[wicked marlin]

I cant put images in this channel, but there are “train stations” when you can name and are required, and you have “freight platforms” which load and unload trains, and must be attached to a train station to be placed

You need to set the freight platforms to load or unload individually.

[steady hemlock]

it says 78 items a min, will the number for inout and output go up the more times it loops? ik it should be more than 78

[wicked marlin]

Sorry i took so long you figured it out on your own lmao

[steady hemlock]

it has faster convayers that than and ik it has a few 100 items

[true mulch]

Make a #1038092680493801533 post please

[steady hemlock]

nah its alr, i was being stupid

[true mulch]

Ah nvm

[steady hemlock]

ive done it, thanks for letting me know tho

will do next time

[true mulch]

You can post images there so it's all round better

[steady hemlock]

alright thanks

[wicked marlin]

Nice, good to know. Thanks biggie cheese.

[past steeple]

Any thoughts on Drones vs Trains?

[winter grove]

Hello felles, does anyone know good server hosts? We are not building any mega base but want a smooth ride throughout the game

[open pollen]

I personally do trains for things I need to move in large quantities, and drones for small quanities (usually complicated end products)

[wicked marlin]

Drones are for high value transport
Trains are for high volume transport
Trucks (and similar) are for minimal infrastructure transport

All are good,l for different things. Think about what you need to move and use the correct thing.

[shell lynx]

ah full release
time to start anew

i forgot everything i learnt

[left mauve]

i think you meant high volume for trains

[wicked marlin]

Alternatively you could be extremely based and set up a lot of modular factories that only use single ingredients, bring raw materials to them from the whole map with trains, and when a recipe needs ingredients not made on site you transport those with drones.

[wicked marlin]

Yeah that was a typo, thanks.

[frail chasm]

Does the drift on hover packs do anyone else’s head in oiijm?

[left mauve]

like always placing your splitters 1m off?

[vernal epoch]

Heyo, got the game cause they added controller support. Am i correct in seeing that button rebinds arent a thing yet or am i doing something wrong?

[frail chasm]

Zactly

[wicked marlin]

Sry about filling the chat but i’ve never noticed the hover pack drift. Is this a controller user issue?

[left mauve]

no it drifts a little after you stop moving

you get used to it

[frail chasm]

Option to disable would be nice

[edgy swift]

What do you guys do if you're bored?

[left mauve]

i think the flying mode in the advanced settings doesn't have this drift

[frail chasm]

I must be blind. I can't see it on my present save.

[haughty flax]

is there anything better than hoverpack? feels kinda slow

[hexed phoenix]

Well that would be Jetpack - where your fuel determines uplift power and consumption

[haughty flax]

i did not realize fuel changes speed, i've only been using biofuel and then packaged fuel

[frail chasm]

Agreed. An overdrive button would be good (e.g. holding R2 makes you fly faster)

[hexed phoenix]

There is a list here https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Jetpack at section 2.3.1 Fuel comparison

[shell lynx]

throw explosives on them rhinos

[shy mulch]

I'm bored 24/7 even when doing 14 things at once. Welcome to ADHD land

[edgy swift]

Fahh man yeah welcome to ADHD land indeed

[edgy swift]

Yk I have done that

I've stacked up 50 nobelisks on one rhino

When it exploded my friend didn't know and died with all his stuff 💀

[shy mulch]

"Let me be your rhino baby" to the tune of Enrique Inglesias "Hero"

[edgy swift]

LoL

Btw my typing is soo fast that my computer can't handle it and I need to turn the bulit in light off to make it harder to type (it doesn't do sh!t)

[shy mulch]

If your computer can't keep up with your typing that sounds like a problem with the computer

Unless you can type billions of words per minute

[edgy swift]

Well it just does a lag spike every once in a while

It is like 5 yrs old

[shy mulch]

when the CPU runs out of ammo it takes a sec to reload

install a fast reload mod

so it can send more bits at a time

[edgy swift]

Well I just deal with it, anyways I'm going to play satisfactory with my friend now on vanilla speak later!

Your profile picture 😭

[steel atlas]

I am trying to turn the bottom part of conveyor lift but it keeps turning the upper part.. how do I do that?

[true mulch]

Rotate it before you place it

[steel atlas]

ok I thought I could rotate the bottom part individually. I had to rotate it all and then fix the upper part, thanks

[frail chasm]

God I hate pipes

so buggy

[silk rose]

how do i disable these 'press E to configure constructor' lines

[frail sleet]

there aren't any known pipe bugs AFAIK (some edge case weird behavior in rare circumstances at most)

[white dawn]

PIpes can definitely seem buggy, but technically the fluid simulations work exactly how they're intended to. If you'd argue that maybe the fluid simulation should be changed so that fluids aren't such a mystery to so many players, I'd agree with that, though. :)

[frail chasm]

Ok then. Badly designed system

[white dawn]

Once you know how to work with fluids they stop being a problem for the most part, at least. I'd encourage you to try and think of it as a problem-to-be-solved instead of a badly designed system or whatever

[frail sleet]

How so

[white dawn]

When it's just a puzzle to figure out you can have more fun with 'em

[frail chasm]

I've read/watched plenty. Currently using the water tower system. Tower above my machines, but water feed randomly stops. It just feels off as a system

[hexed phoenix]

Is your head lift in order?

[white dawn]

I'd honestly recommend against water towers. They rely on exploiting unintended edge cases in the fluid simulation, and make debugging problems harder

If you do need to transport liquids upwards, just use pumps as needed; they're not expensive in the long run

(At least, I'm assuming that the water tower's being used to confer head lift to sections of a pipe network which don't actually go "through" the tower, which is what I wouldn't recommend. If it's just a high bit of pipe early in the pipeline that's a different story)

[frail sleet]

the way that they are commonly used yeah

is a wonky exploit

[white dawn]

Water towers also go against the usual "keep pipes as simple as possible" advice. :D

You can get creative with your piping and have systems that work properly, of course

But if you're getting annoyed/frustrated by fluids in the game, I'd recommend following this unfortunately-large paste of build advice:

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

Ever since adopting that I've basically never had fluid problems

(People can still get problems even with all that, but it's more rare)

[shell lynx]

holding e wherever i walked at the start of the game has lead me to have almost 4k biomass

[frail sleet]

Valves (or the valve function of pumps) is actually mandatory to make some pipe systems work.

[shell lynx]

very funky

[white dawn]

For folks having problems/frustrations with pipes, I'd generally just say "don't build pipe systems which require valves-or-the-valve-function-of-pumps" in the first place. :)

[silk rose]

maybe there is a mod?

[frail sleet]

for sure, but don't get the hatred towards valves. In almost every case they mildly help at least, and sometimes they're the only reasonable way to solve a flow problem

[frail chasm]

And this demos why the pipe system as a whole is a bit wonky

[white dawn]

The problem is the only way to reliably be able to put valves into a system in a way which doesn't harm the system is to be conversant enough in the game's fluid handling that you don't need the valves in the first place (because you can already build systems which work just fine)

[hexed phoenix]

Can optimize this abit :)

Hold E -> collect some leaves/wood -> open Inventory -> Release E -> close Inventory

Now the game thinks you have E held down, so you can just run around :)

[white dawn]

They're finnicky, have precision issues, and have side effects that most folks don't realize

Anyone with piping problems doesn't need those extra complications, hence recommending Not Using Them

[shell lynx]

o wait is that how it works?
i shouldve known for my first few minutes cuz alot of it was manual

[white dawn]

(And the ways in which they're commonly used by folks unused to the fluid simulation often makes stuff like sloshing worse rather than better)

[shell lynx]

i feel like i chose a bad spot for my hub

[frail chasm]

Whilst I love coffee stain, I wouldn't let them plumb my bathroom

[frail sleet]

Somewhat yes, but it can be awkward (e.g. only inputting 150/min into a pipe whereas valve would let it do 450 fine)

They're finnicky, have precision issues, and have side effects that most folks don't realize

The only thing bad that i can say about them is that the flow limiter function can behave in an unexpected way if you don't understand how it works; but you don't have to use that, and it's easily fixed if you screw it up.

They do not have any precision issue, that's a myth from the alpha days (maybe even as far back as on a different engine)

[shell lynx]

a genius such as myself interacted with teh coffee maker with no cup in hand or that stand

[white dawn]

The precision issue was, I believe, confirmed as still present in 1.0; I remember a thread in #math-and-meta or somewhere where it was being re-tested

[shell lynx]

surprised i wasnt tased for wasting coffee

[white dawn]

Could be I'm misremembering

[frail sleet]

we confirmed that it was never present in 1.0+

[white dawn]

Mm, k, I stand corrected then. :)

[frail sleet]

People were talking about it in here as if it was fact all the way up to 1.1, which confused a lot of people who started playing at release - but it was fixed somewhere in the alpha days. Nobody went back to test update 7 vs 8 to see where exactly

i would say for the most part valves range from helping a little to helping a lot, just don't use flow limiter if you dont understand it

[white dawn]

Still, it's also easy to create pipe systems which operate at full flow but don't need valves in the first place

So IMO avoiding valves is still the best advice to give for folks frustrated by fluid problems

[frail sleet]

For the most part yeah, there is just 1 particular edge case where they are mandatory

and 10 other cases where they help flow a lot

[frail chasm]

I mustn't grumble though. I remember when you had to place each single foundation by hand......

[white dawn]

Like nearly all the advice we give can be ignored and still get a working system, just requires a lot of iteration (either at build time or in the past, implying a good amount of experience)

[hexed phoenix]

Probably have been done before - but something I'm going to attempt for fluid in this playthrough..

When I get to stuff where I get ect. Water as byproduct (Alum production mainly)

I'm going to Pack/Unpack the water in a closed loop, and use the priority merger from water main source and byproduct water.. Simply to avoid having to rely on Variable Input Priority fluid method which has its flaw.

[white dawn]

Recommending folks just build networks as simply as possible so that they can get going on their playthroughs is, IMO, the most useful. Anyway, blather blather. Sorry, feeling wordy today. :)

[frail sleet]

Yeah it's good advice. The easiest way to deal with those edge case systems is just not to build them

I built one by accident, and it was only with careful analysis that i realised it requires a valve

[small nacelle]

I have question why pipe v2 and v1 are littlery same

[white dawn]

(Huh, weird, discord won't let me react to that message. Anyway, 🍻 .) :)

[hexed phoenix]

Different capacity

[white dawn]

Also a different skin!

[hexed phoenix]

Well true.. Skins = Wins :D

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/Puy7PzG.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/R4wTaBD.png

test rig, and production 😄

With some good splitter work you can make it ramp instantly.

(pictured)

[shell lynx]

i wonder who voice acted ADA

[hexed phoenix]

Some TTS model :P

[shell lynx]

aw

it'd be cool if it was like an actual person tho

[fluid sapphire]

Very fitting though

[steel atlas]

can someone check screenshots? I have one iron miner with 120 per min and I divided that equally but last 3 constr. is always empty. Am I missing something?

that 2nd conveyor is 90, not 120.

[leaden ether]

Watch the buffers of the machines. THe ones closest to the input will be filling up fast, stealing input from the other machines down the line till it fills up.

[steel atlas]

the thing is it is already full at 100 always

[leaden ether]

All of them dowwn the line?

[trim vine]

are you using 120 belts across everything?

[steel atlas]

not across everything.

just the first 2 the rest is mk1

[trim vine]

well, splitting 120 3 ways to 40 a piece, which is already slow, depending on distance traveled, might be too slow

travel time on belts needs to be accounted for 😛

[steel atlas]

see the 2nd screenshot

and all the belts going into smelters are mk1

[trim vine]

ok

so, the second belt needs to be at least mk2

[steel atlas]

1st and 2nd are already mk2.

[trim vine]

cause you're trying to push 90 goods through a mk1 (60) belt

[steel atlas]

I sent another screenshot showing that 2nd belt is already mk2

[trim vine]

wait

Is the smelter coming up empty, or the downstream constructors?

[steel atlas]

so it is 120 > mk2> 90 > mk2 > 60 > mk1 > 30> mk1

[steel atlas]

sent a ss for that too ^^

[trim vine]

no, you sent a screenshot showing ingots on the belt

What is your issue at the moment?

Are all of your smelters running at 100%?

Are any downstream constructors not running at 100%?

Did you math correctly to use every single ingot you are producing?

[steel atlas]

the issue is last 2 smelters are always empty.

all the smelters are connected to constructors

[trim vine]

Empty of ore or Ingot?

[steel atlas]

all of em are on %100

[steel atlas]

ore

[trim vine]

I dont care about clock speed, I care about efficiency rating in the machine

[leaden ether]

While that sounds like the right thing to do, I never use belts at capacity like you have in that third belt there or on any inputs or outputs to machines. That just tends to cause sputtering and backups. Your two smelters are always empty because they are using 100% of the material you are feeding them through that third belt.

[trim vine]

Whats the efficiency %?

[steel atlas]

how do I check that

[leaden ether]

Now given some time that system should settle down some, but I personally really don't like riding the razors edge like that.

[trim vine]

Look at the smelter, there is a percentage, to the right of the time it takes for the craft to happen

dead center of the interface

[steel atlas]

first 2 is %100 second 2 is %50

[steel atlas]

how do you even fix the efficiency tho?

[trim vine]

ok, change all of the belts to MK2 OR put a splitter next to the miner and run 2 60 lines to 2 and 2 smelters

[trim vine]

feed that machine properly

All that % tells you is the machines uptime, a 100% means, at least upstream, things are flowing into the current machine at a rate to allow 100% uptime

[steel atlas]

wait I guess I fixed it. My second belt was not mk2 lol

[trim vine]

KISS

[steel atlas]

I changed it to mk2 efficiency is increasing now

[trim vine]

Keep it simple

[steel atlas]

I wish there was an easy way to tell from away

[trim vine]

And when you are manifolding shit, just use your max belt

[steel atlas]

if its mk1 or 2

[trim vine]

press F and look at the belts

[steel atlas]

oh distance don't matter?

[trim vine]

it will tell you, you can also look INTO machines/storage bins with F as well

[trim vine]

you can dismantle from pretty far away

[leaden ether]

THis is actually a good lesson to learn early as accidentally putting underrated belts in the middle is something that happens a lot :D You should see the last one sputter for a bit and it's buffer will always be nearly empty due to it being fed exactly what it needs with no spare.

[trim vine]

and it will tell you what you're dismantling

[steel atlas]

ohh good to know, thank you and @leaden ether

[steel atlas]

is there a point of using max belts if it's not necessary?

[trim vine]

you mean not using max belts?

Very rarely and very niche situations

[steel atlas]

no I mean if I carry less or equal to 60, why use 120 belt? thats what I am trying to understand

[trim vine]

so, short answer is you can, but you need to know what you're doing AND you need to make sure you dont make mistakes like you just did, using 2 different belts can do that

[tall lantern]

at some tiers the belts are cheap enough that you may as well just use the high tier

[leaden ether]

Faster buffer fill times for long manifolds, Safety margin for systems with sporadic outputs (Some machines spam outputs in large intervals, potentially overcrowding belts even though the average output is within the belts rating.)

[steel atlas]

okay, another question, so the first 2 is packed up full but their efficiency decreased to %66, why did that happen?

[trim vine]

Remembers, parts are relatively infinite in this game, if you need/want more reinforced iron plate, build more machines to make them

Increased manifold fill times

And, as I have said before, in larger factories, the travel time on belts IS a factor, and faster is better

[steel atlas]

3 and 4 is %87 now.

[silk ocean]

Does anyone know why sometimes you can mousewheel to reverse signal direction, sometimes you can't ?

[trim vine]

and 1 and 2 dropped to 66%?

[steel atlas]

1-2 decreased to 61 last 2 is now 90

and keeps going up above 90

[trim vine]

if you're looking at track, it tries to auto lock based on the rail you are looking at

[trim vine]

set all belts to mk2 and see what happens

[silk ocean]

Yea it works better at track joins, sometimes in the middle of a section it allows reversal, sometimes not

[trim vine]

Reminder, you can upgrade existing belts just by looking at them with the MK2 selected on build

[steel atlas]

I did, decreased down to 56 and still going down

[trim vine]

Would highly recommend you set train signals at joints, and not middle of track.

It is my own personal experience that the signals glitch less on joints than middle of track, but thats just my own experience

[trim vine]

and you are 100% sure your miner is pulling out 120?

[steel atlas]

yes sir looking at it rn

[trim vine]

pics pls

[leaden ether]

Yeah... the first two should have not gone down no matter what happened down the line.

[steel atlas]

sent

[trim vine]

Also, double check your belt coming out of the miner making sure its mk2

[steel atlas]

I did, it's mk2. All of it is mk2 rn

is it because this 2 belts are full and not really moving fast

those are mk2 too

[trim vine]

is this your first time playing the game?

[steel atlas]

ish. I played when it first released a bit

[rich parrot]

If you have belt lifts, you need to upgrade those as well.

[steel atlas]

I do but they are already mk2

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

[leaden ether]

And the miner is putting out 120/min? Not underclocked or something? WHat is the quality of the node? You can also put a belt item counter on the output of the miner to check.

[steel atlas]

yup thats the one I took down and upgrading/building better.

[steel atlas]

it is pure and it is putting out 120 min. Theres a ss I sent in ss for that as well

[silk ocean]

I sometimes find they glitch at joins where the track splits but yeah I mostly do them at joins

[trim vine]

Yeah, I'll leave you with this; set all belts to MK2, and leave it alone to fill the manifold, if it still dont work, tear it all down and rebuild it

[trim vine]

Yeah, 1.1 seemed to break signals there for a bit

[steel atlas]

Why my miner is on %75 efficiency?

[stray sorrel]

why do my lizarddoggos keep falling under the terrain when i come back to my base or load in a save i have to use satisfactory calculator to bring them back up

not always though

[fathom shuttle]

You’re not consuming it

[trim vine]

#satisfactory message

[peak wasp]

Just put down how much your are mining

Honestly everything should be 100% all the time

[fathom shuttle]

I wanna make cooling systems but I ran out of nitrogen gas in the blue crater lol

[peak wasp]

After all if it's not at 100 it's a waste

[trim vine]

theres a massive pure node just north of it

[fathom shuttle]

Including that one

[trim vine]

plus even more at the SW swmap

[peak wasp]

AND YOU BETTER NOT WASTE DAMMIT...FICSIT DOES NOT WASTE

[trim vine]

FICSIT HR would love to talk to you

[fathom shuttle]

Where? I built an aluminum plant there

[peak wasp]

about what?

Ficsit would love to also remind you that water is a important resource... Although quite rare

[silk ocean]

Quite rare? xD

It's all over the place 😉

[peak wasp]

In my section of the map absolutely

[hasty cradle]

Where are you?

[peak wasp]

Northern forest

[fathom shuttle]

Just realized something

[hasty cradle]

Water isnt that rare there right?

[fathom shuttle]

I can automate thermal rocket propulsion once the cooling systems are done

[trim vine]

Only to the lazy 😉

[trim vine]

want BPs for my 150 cooling systems?

[peak wasp]

There's a small bit near my spawn and a bit in the maze canyon...a bit in the desert...but all of it is in incredibly difficult terrain to work with so I don't use water often

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll just move the aluminum and rubber over to that nitrogen node and ship the cooling systems back

[fathom shuttle]

I already have bps set up for that so no need

[frozen cloud]

glory to the littel puddle in the middle of northen forest
many canisters of green gold (liquid biofuel) were made from it

[peak wasp]

The only viable water is further off but would require a massive pipeline system in that oil patch

[hasty cradle]

You have lots of water north west and south from the forest

[fathom shuttle]

Not a problem with blueprint auto connect

[peak wasp]

That little puddle is powering 3 fully overclocked wet concrete

[peak wasp]

Yeah the one near the oil patch yeah

[hasty cradle]

You also have crater lakes

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll automate nuclear pasta and rocket thermal propulsion today

[peak wasp]

Crater lakes I am not familiar with that area

[fathom shuttle]

I can probably finish assembly director systems too

[hasty cradle]

Gl with the copper

[fathom shuttle]

Thank god drones exist

[hasty cradle]

Still gl

[fathom shuttle]

Gathering the copper will take me less than an hour

[hasty cradle]

You need alot of it

[hasty cradle]

Like 6 lakes 3 being pretty big

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll show you my plan when I get started

It’s a genius plan

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

See that area...this is where I am at

that big section with all the nodes

I have water in Maze canyon where the coal is

[hasty cradle]

And alot south

[peak wasp]

and in a small lake near those nodes...I guess there is a river but if I am going that far I might as well go to the big water source near the oil south there

So yeah my best chance for water is a big pipeline going there

[hasty cradle]

Just found out there is the rocky desert rockier desert and rockiest desert

[fathom shuttle]

How do you guys fuel drones that only transport 1 or two materials? For example for the cooling systems I want to send 200 aluminum and 400 rubber and the finished product
Do I send a fuel drones to there that only fuels it or what

[frozen cloud]

ye i got most of my water from that lake #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

but yeah water is pretty rare where I am building without a massive project

[prime jasper]

I was watching some tips about the game and some of them mention nice ways to get more ADN capsules.

But are ADN capsules even great? What is their use beside a few MAM research?

They can also be converted in the AWESOME shredder but I am not sure it explain the hype around the item.

[fathom shuttle]

They’re not good in my experience

[frozen cloud]

awesome points are pretty good

[fathom shuttle]

I gathered 3200 of them and only got like 115 tickets

[hasty cradle]

They will give tickets

[quiet gust]

I make a based with a bunch of fuel that I send off to other bases with drones

[peak wasp]

but it looks like I am at the point where I will need to do a massive project to grab water from that lake

[fathom shuttle]

It’s a quick way to get points early game

[peak wasp]

so how many 600m3 pipelines should I lay?

[quiet gust]

what is it for

[frozen cloud]

remember
go that extra kilometer :

[fathom shuttle]

So basically I need to make a dedicated drone port for the fuel

[peak wasp]

I am thinking six of them in a two by three

[red urchin]

yo anyone wanna play???

[quiet gust]

yeah

[fathom shuttle]

No way around it I guess

[peak wasp]

as tons on concrete I am working into heavy modular frames

[frozen cloud]

i did mine flat next to each other
nice for easy access

[trim vine]

about 60 to start

Having 36000 water on standby is an amazing feeling

[quiet gust]

you can ,make fuel on site but thats not very efficient

[trim vine]

#1201555265942724758

[quiet gust]

i would figure out how many hmf you wnant fiirst

[frozen cloud]

or one middle sized nuclear reactor plants worth

[fathom shuttle]

Learn good pipeline practices and use blueprints for everything

[peak wasp]

I am going 30 a minute for them

[quiet gust]

then figure out how much wet concrete you need

[fathom shuttle]

600 concrete

[frozen cloud]

close

[fathom shuttle]

Only needs 600 water

[peak wasp]

already have that setup...that said I need to actually work on getting water from that lake

because my small puddle near me gives me the 600 water I needed but still I should have some water reserves on standby

[quiet gust]

are you planning on building more on topp of the build or smth?

[peak wasp]

I mean the factory must grow...even if I am not currently planning anything the infrastructure for the future would be useful

[quiet gust]

then get alllllll the water

[peak wasp]

I am thinking a 3x3 pipeline each holding 600m3

[quiet gust]

i would do that then, but USE BLUEPRINT AUTOCONNECT

[peak wasp]

which would be about 18 fully overclocked water pumps

which is 5400m3 water

[open pollen]

You can always build stuff that requires water closer to water then transport it

[peak wasp]

a good start for future projects

I could...but at the same time....pipelines....xD

[quiet gust]

Also do you have a good source of copper sheets

[peak wasp]

I mean I am not currently making copper sheets due to a base reworking

but I could have copper sheets

what I might do is steamed sheets

[quiet gust]

Do that

[peak wasp]

use that new water

[quiet gust]

The two most used items by far for building are concrete and copper sheets

[peak wasp]

Which means I'll need more water

Which means I'll need more pipes

Which means I'll need more water to make more sheets

Which means more pipes ....(blows up)

[frozen cloud]

i never had an issue with copper sheets

but had like 7 concrete DDs xD

[quiet gust]

Refineries

Refinery blueprints

[frozen cloud]

have you considered not using refineries 🙃

[quiet gust]

....

[peak wasp]

Plus while I'm down there making pipelines and water ....I should grab all that oil

[quiet gust]

(bro is scawed of refineries)

[peak wasp]

HERESY...QUICK BURN THE NON BELIEVER

[leaden ether]

Ugh, large scale end game factories are almost 50% refineries

[peak wasp]

oh sorry I am playing too much warhammer

[frozen cloud]

refineries take fluid
fluid makes my fps go bye bye

[fathom shuttle]

I love refineries

[elder apex]

i wish refineries were a hair shorter in height and length so they would fit better in the blueprint designers. I liked the tip someone yesterday gave about the packager recipe mod to replace refineries.

[leaden ether]

Refineries! #screenshots message

[quiet gust]

i like the height b/c it looks so imposing

[jaunty jewel]

refineries are up there for my favourite machine by looks

[elder apex]

yeah, but it limits elevating refineries to 2nd/3rd floors to going into the mk3 designer, even when the blueprint itself is just 4x4

[jaunty jewel]

they fit in the mk2

[leaden ether]

It's fun to leave the stacks poking out of the roof too. #screenshots message

[elder apex]

not if you put them on a 2nd or 3rd floor, then they stick out the top

[jaunty jewel]

just make the roof higher?

[quiet gust]

(( 8 foundation tall floors?)

[elder apex]

they stick out the top of the designer and therefore the blueprint won't save

[jaunty jewel]

no they dont

[leaden ether]

Yeah that's not fun :D I always make my refinery portions outlying single floor buildings because of that.

[jaunty jewel]

this has literally never happened to me

[elder apex]

floors big enough for constructors or assemblers, so definitely more than just 8m

i'll get you a screenshot, just a sec

[quiet gust]

(reading is hard) 8 4 m foundations, nobody is building vertically with 1m foundations

[jaunty jewel]

i would argue its basic common sense tbh

[quiet gust]

also building 8 foundation tall floors lets mk2 blueprint chonk machines, and you can plit the floor for more small building floors

[quiet gust]

Unless its for a certain aesthetic, in which case you know to build more

[elder apex]

#screenshots message

[jaunty jewel]

well yeah but if were talking about a roof literally nobody is making 8m high roofs

[drifting fern]

need to make a turbomotor factory, any tips before i begin? I mean any alternates i should get?

and how many turbomotors should i make

i have mk6 belts

[jaunty jewel]

thats just poor blueprint designing then

[quiet gust]

turbo pressure motors are regarded as one of the best, turbo ellectric are also good, would not recomend the base recipe

[quiet gust]

steel rotors + reg stators makes it very easy to make rotors

[open pollen]

Why are you trying to place the blueprint in the BP designer and not just opening the BP designer interface to upload it for editing

[quiet gust]

i would make 3/min for storage and then however many you want for thermal propulsion rockets

[elder apex]

feel free to show me your 6.4/min crystal oscillator factory blueprint that is 4x4 in size. 🙂

[jaunty jewel]

??? i dont need one

[elder apex]

because it was original done on a 24x24x24 blueprint designer and reduced down to 4x4

[leaden ether]

First playthrough I made 10 Turbo Motors/min and seemed like plenty.

[drifting fern]

i just need the thermal propulsion rockets for phase 5 stuff, how many should i aim for?

[quiet gust]

(remmebr this is the same guy who whines at you for not using a 36 fuel generator bp for nitro rocket fuel)

[drifting fern]

rn im thinking of 10?

[elder apex]

it pastes fine into the 6x6 though, just the stacks are standing out the top on 4x4 or 5x5

[quiet gust]

however many you want

[jaunty jewel]

riiight

[quiet gust]

that would be fine

[open pollen]

Well this is the problem then? Not the refinery size?

[quiet gust]

then use the 24^3 bllueprint designer?

[jaunty jewel]

i cant fit something designed in a larger blueprint inside a smaller blueprint???? i cant believe this blasphemy

[quiet gust]

ikr

[elder apex]

plus if you try to fit refineries end to end in a mk3 designer you have very little room to make connections to them

[quiet gust]

( you have plent of room but ok)

[stuck oak]

choices choices, i'm T3
Sitched plates or biocoal

[quiet gust]

I do all my connections in a mk1 or mk2 2 sooooo

[prisma yoke]

im discovering the pain of trying to split a belt at weird ratios so that some of it goes into storage and some of it goes into a manifold for more machines
usually when i have to split belts at odd ratios im just splitting them to go into multiple manifolds so it works out to the correct ratio once the machines fill up. but obviously that doesnt work for storage

[quiet gust]

biocoal is a bad alt

stitched is an a or b tier alt minimum

[open pollen]

Why in the world would you do biocoal?

[drifting fern]

and i make the steel pipes out of iron*?

[jaunty jewel]

i fit a very spammable refinery bluepirnt in mk2

with splitters mergers and pipes

[quiet gust]

( iron pipes alt go brr)

[drifting fern]

yur

[stuck oak]

because this is press E on plants: the game

[drifting fern]

and now i got the gamer belts

[jaunty jewel]

or.... just find a coal node

[frozen cloud]

i actually hated going from 3 refineries in a bp to 4
too big

[open pollen]

Biomass and solid and liquid biofuel are much better than biocoal for plant usage

[stuck oak]

yes....obviously

[jaunty jewel]

so why do you need biocoal

[quiet gust]

but even still you can easily fit all the connections and bp autoconnect makes it even easier

[quiet gust]

my question is if you arenet opposed to using not vanilla blueprints and bp designers, why are you not just using the non vanilla designer?

[drifting fern]

@quiet gust Should i use sloppy alimina or nah?

[jaunty jewel]

Yes

arguably one of the best recipes in the game

[drifting fern]

perfect, then i dont have to be bothered with silica

[open pollen]

I usually do a smart splitter and have my storage full up first and then the overflow go into the machines. So my storage connected to a dimensional depot is always prioritized

[trim vine]

Sloppy is best 😉

[quiet gust]

you have two options imop, sloppy alumina + petroleum scrap, or instant scrap, depending on what you value

[quiet gust]

sulfur and coal or sanity

[trim vine]

DONT INSTANT SCRAP

I did it and I highkey regret it

[quiet gust]

I did it and it was fine

[prisma yoke]

i dont have smart splitters yet.... but they will solve my problems i expect

[quiet gust]

ODNT DO SILICA RECIPE FOR INGOTS THOUGH

[trim vine]

it did save my sanity though I will give it to you

But I was kinda fucked on Sulfur after that

[open pollen]

What’s wrong with it?

[drifting fern]

but petroleum annoying no?

[prisma yoke]

im gonna work towards them

[quiet gust]

no its not too bad and yuou have plenty of oil

[trim vine]

its an amazingly simple recipe, and saves you a lot of time on complexities

But it eats a metric fuck ton of sulfur up

[open pollen]

They are MAM research under the caterium tree fyi

[quiet gust]

I pre sectioned out my sulfur so i was fine

[drifting fern]

so electrode aluminum scrap yesd

[quiet gust]

yes

dnever use reg recipes

[drifting fern]

then pure aluminum inot?

[jaunty jewel]

you have to be actively trying to use all the sulfur on the map - goes for all resources actully

[quiet gust]

if you dont wanna go insane

[trim vine]

I was using 2 pure nodes to fuel my, at the time, turbo fuel plant, and was kinda stuck on upgrading anything power related until I could scroung up enough sulfur for rocket fuel

[drifting fern]

ea

[trim vine]

-stares in Nuclear Pasta-

[quiet gust]

i will say it loses a a third of the potential ingots but you will go insane and waste all your quartz

[drifting fern]

yeah

[quiet gust]

im talking about aluminum up to aluminum ingot

[trim vine]

I was being cantankerous

[drifting fern]

Yo wtf, no byproduct

[quiet gust]

is that like a fruit or something

[drifting fern]

i can use all the excess for electrode scrap

[quiet gust]

also, learn about vip juctions

[trim vine]

I will say though, using a small amount of silica, and creating two systems producing ingots, one pure and one regular, is an option, you can bring a couple of nodes worth over and make it happen, but its up to you

[trim vine]

google my friend, you boutta learn a new word

[quiet gust]

(i know but tit was funny to say that)\

[drifting fern]

@quiet gust check sc

[quiet gust]

@drifting fernthe thing is unnreadable , also you cant tyupe in that channel unless with an image

[silk ocean]

Another word I quite like - bolshie xD

[drifting fern]

yeah, i was just wondering if it was suppose to be that big

[trim vine]

you guys got a group chat on snapchat?

[drifting fern]

cooling system wasnt that annoying to make

[quiet gust]

this is the most complex production chain imo, anything aluminum

[drifting fern]

screenshot

[trim vine]

😦

[drifting fern]

ahh alright

[quiet gust]

satisfactory calculator

[trim vine]

South Carolina?

[drifting fern]

@quiet gust thats what i have rn

[trim vine]

is that for turbo motors?

[drifting fern]

ye

[trim vine]

my advice?

Dont combine systems when you dont have to

[drifting fern]

what does that mean, english not first language

[trim vine]

one moment

[trim vine]

ok, what recipe for turbo motors do you want to use?

[foggy heart]

am i able to get the rubber concrete alt at phase 3? I dont see why not but i've got like 20 hardrives and havent seen it yet

[trim vine]

rngesus sucks

[drifting fern]

i could use the preasure one ig, rn im making 7 preasure cubes

so maybe taking 5 of those to make the 10 motors would be good

[frozen cloud]

ye pressure is better imo

[trim vine]

ok, thats a good idea and you should do that, I did the regular recipe cause its what I had to work with and was easier, let me show you a screenshot

[drifting fern]

is there a way to but in that u already have one production in thesatisfactory tools thing

[quiet gust]

pressure or electric ftw

[drifting fern]

because right now it shows me the recipe for the 5 pressure conversion cubes that i already am making

oh yeah, just found it, nice

@trim vine That's nicee

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

This is what I mean when I say break things into smaller systems

Dont just type in 10 Turbo Motors, because its going to give you entire systems for making rubber, aluminium, etc etc etc

[drifting fern]

ahhhh

[trim vine]

Instead, break down each mid tier component into its own flow chart, then add those outputs as inputs later on

[drifting fern]

yeah, that makes sense, thanks

[trim vine]

it helps keep your sanity alive and well

[trim vine]

Side note, setting up a single recycled plant with 4200 oil in nets the 6300 plastic AND rubber, and should carry you throughout the game

[drifting fern]

could put that in the north part no?

[trim vine]

Thats exactly where I built it good sir

[drifting fern]

ye

[trim vine]

all them oil nodes plus them 4 right at the desert entrance, ez money

[drifting fern]

the thing is i havent really thought about any excess when i have been playing this one, i just build willy nilly whatever i need and shove it into the cloud sotrage

want to see what my starter biome looks like rn?

trigger warning

[trim vine]

I always tell everyone the same thing, you have 3 constant priorities in this game

1. power, isolated from other factories
2. aggressive MAM research and Hard Drive scanning
3. whatever you want

[modest nest]

haha 175 hours, just found out I can limit flow rate with vavles

[trim vine]

@drifting fern and whats wrong with that? looks great for a starter spot

[drifting fern]

i dont like that there are so many convayors everywhere lol

thats why im thinking that im just gonna build a slab over it and make a huge sorted out thing in the end with all the materials

[trim vine]

destroy the belts, build bus highways, you'll thank yourself later

[drifting fern]

whats a bus highway

is that the big truck?

[quiet gust]

big infrastrucure for belts

[trim vine]

no, its just a long line of foundations where you build a lot of stacked belts and move over distance

[drifting fern]

yeahh that could be nice, i can just use programmable splitters and mk6 belts

[dusk rivet]

Satisfactory Space DLC when.

[trim vine]

space no dlc factory way to get it anytime

[swift pebble]

Alright, I just made a blueprint for a refinery set up making use of Recycled Plastic that turns 90 Crude Oil into 80 plastic and 20 rubber. Since power isn't really an issue for me rn and I'm about to unlock nuclear anyways I figured I should optimize my oil use for resources (specifically plastic) without using any of the exess fuel for power. Is this the best way to do it or would I be better off making use of water for the residual recipes instead?

[trim vine]

I send you a screenshot here in a moment

[swift pebble]

This seems like the best ratio I can get but I'm kind of getting mindflooded thinking about how the Heavy Oil Residue recipe affects things

[pine adder]

I made the robot lady mad

Idk how I just did

She was yelling at me while I was reaserching stuff in the mam

[stuck oak]

can you put a splitter/merger or really any conveyor interaction thing onto an existing conveyor

[trim vine]

@swift pebble thats what I might make

[frozen cloud]

recycled plubber is way better than residual plubber

[drifting fern]

@trim vine Where do you put all that rubber and plastic

[swift pebble]

okay well I don't know wtf a blender is yet so I'm guessing that's more late game than I'm able to work with right now

[frozen cloud]

you can do packager loop

[swift pebble]

I think that's all I needed, thanks

[trim vine]

in a mega desert factory, I am using most of it

[drifting fern]

nice

[pallid arrow]

#screenshots message

Question in screenshot

[trim vine]

Diluted fuel works in refineries too, just EASIER in a blender

[frozen cloud]

no afaik

[swift pebble]

I'm surprised how hard it is to actually make plastic, I think I was expecting to get something like 380/m plastic out of converting a couple of my oil nodes into purely plastic production but I'm nowhere close

[drifting fern]

rn im tweaking a old aluminum casing factory (for the fused modular frame prod) the excess water is killing me so im just gonna burn it with coal to make power instead

[trim vine]

not all, but a ton of regular recipes are highly inefficient

[swift pebble]

I was kind of spoiled by having 3 crates full of plastic by the time I started pulling from it to automate circuits and computers and didn't realize how low my actual production rate was compared to the consumtion rate I was setting up

[calm thorn]

i think im stupid, just built the coal generator, i connected it to the electricity but i can't find how to get out the power

[trim vine]

does it have coal and water?

[calm thorn]

yeah it's running at full regime

[quiet gust]

@fathom shuttle thanks for your helpo my power plant is actually working at 100% effieciency now

[trim vine]

then its producing power, and you just need connect it to a power pole

and make sure that pole is connected to other poles

[calm thorn]

i just realised the power comes back from the same pole it comes in

[swift pebble]

god damn it, heavy oil residue into residual fuel is way better than just turning crude oil into fuel isn't it

[modest nest]

if you do it right

[quiet gust]

yup and wait till you hear about diluted fuel

[swift pebble]

Not even way better actually, it seems. Just enough that I should make use of it anyways

goes from 60 Oil -> 4 fuel to 60 Oil -> ~52 fuel

[modest nest]

what about the Heavy Oil Residue alt recipe?

[haughty flax]

what happens if i slap a hard drive in and i've already had all the recipes discovered, yet unpicked

[lost wagon]

Straight up fuel uses less machines I think if the purpose is to fuel generators

[quiet gust]

it wont let you

[haughty flax]

my very first power setup, had a pure oil node at 600/min, eventually refined into 80 fuel gens, 20GW of power off a single node, its busted

[haughty flax]

1 pure oil node @ 600/min > 800/min alternate heavy oil residue > 27 alternate packaged fuel packagers > unpackaged > 80 fuel gens > 20GW of power

[lean ferry]

QUICK QUSETION when youhave usables like nobelisk, gas filters, iodine filters, if you put it in dimensional depot can u still use without taking it out

[haughty flax]

no

[lean ferry]

like how u can build stuff with depot stuff with build gun

aw 😦

[reef basin]

eh that's kinda weird approach

by using input, you lose the optimisation Tools provide

[swift pebble]

This was supposed to be just a quick project...

[reef basin]

yes, but I wouldn't recommend using valves

[short pelican]

@sour kestrel

[swift pebble]

Yeah man that's why I'm lamenting haha

[trim vine]

I disagree, if you look at a large project before hand, and then break it down into subsystems, you already have ideas on what you want to use recipe wise, but it makes it easier on the mind to then see much smaller flow systems

[haughty flax]

that was exactly my thought lol. if u can find the pure oil node, and u have the alternate recipes though, the 20GW goes a LONG way, im not even close to using half of it and havent worried about power in 100+ hours

[lean ferry]

guys what do I do while waiting for phase 2 to be finsihed I needa wait 2 hrs for stuff to be made do i
A) touch grass
B) idk just parkour around
C) smth else

[haughty flax]

#screenshots message

[modest nest]

Why not

[haughty flax]

it shouldnt take 2 hours for phase 2, sounds like u need to scale up

[reef basin]

you can move the boxes around to see the same thing, or just look at the tables, which give you same info

[lean ferry]

yah it was overexxageration

it take 50 min

[swift pebble]

Genuinely I came over to this pure node purely because I remembered my oil pump wasn't overdrived yet and I thought I could probably add an extra refinery and use the t2 pipes I just unlocked lol. Now I'm preparing to rebuild the entire setup into a fucking superstructure lmao

[reef basin]

• it's practically never needed
• using valves usually breaks systems (due to people thinking they do something they don't do)
• there were some valve "bugs" before (though it seems at least some of them are fixed now)
• in general machines are much better at limiting fluid flow than valves

[trim vine]

I dont disagree with you on the information being the same

I am saying its better for most peoples sanity to look at individual systems

Like with Turbomotors, if you break it down to Motors, Cooling Systems, Aluminium Production, Radio Control Units, and Plastic Rubber, you can build each of those areas serperately, and maybe more efficienctly since you can over build for extra if needed/wanted, and then combine at the end

[reef basin]

if you need extra, just ask the main Tools plan tbh

[modest nest]

The problem was that I was doing aluminum and supplementing the water output from one of the refineries with water extractors and didn't want to risk said refinery producing water getting backed up

[swift pebble]

Yeah as a new player I always got the sense that pipes used to have way more systems involved with them than they do now, is that accurate?

[frozen cloud]

nope
still black magic

[trim vine]

Again, easier to do as individual systems is all I am saying

[reef basin]

yeah that's often where people want to use valves, but contrary to what you may think, it's a very bad place to use valves

[swift pebble]

Right now they're basically just belts that balance thereselves and occasionally need pumps to gain elevation

[modest nest]

I do not understand why that would be

[trim vine]

Its a bad idea to mix fresh and recycled liquids

[reef basin]

because as soon as your production backs up for whatever reason, the pipe will fill with fresh water anyway and it will back up.

better to separate fresh and recycled water refineries

[modest nest]

Thats what the valve is for, I haven't had a single issue yet

[trim vine]

But valves can and do work, but you have to be very percise, otherwise you will fuck yourself

[quiet gust]

how tf do i get pipe dynamics to work ts pmo

[modest nest]

well its been running with no issues for a few hours now so

[reef basin]

I'm not saying valves don't work or anything

I'm just saying that since 99.9% of people using valves run into issues which are often resolved by removing the valve, statistically it's great to tell new players to not use them 🙂

[modest nest]

I can go check if its in the process of backing up or not right now I guess

[reef basin]

the problem isn't "when it runs"
the problem is "when it stops for some reason"

[modest nest]

yeah but it only stops if it bugs, anyways is Aluminum Rod good or nah

[quiet gust]

no

[trim vine]

Do you want to spend your hard earned aluminium ingots on IRON RODS?

[modest nest]

its that or Pure Iron Ingots

or a rescan I guess

[trim vine]

pure iron ingots are you insane

[modest nest]

so they're both bad

[trim vine]

xD

Nah, iron rods are easy, and not even needed with alt recipes

[modest nest]

I'll rescan

[trim vine]

no, pure iron isnt bad

just, usually not needed

pure copper though

[modest nest]

ah

if I get that Im taking it instantly

[reef basin]

if it bugs or you accidentally disconnect something or your buffer fills up or whatever... tons of options

as for the recipe - all recipes are good

[modest nest]

Not even slightly backed up

running perfectly

[quiet gust]

I agree, pure aluminum rotors are op

[trim vine]

all recipes are good: Wood to coal?

[reef basin]

yes, as well

[trim vine]

I love the positivity so much 🙂

[quiet gust]

he will never come off this hill

[modest nest]

Oh, no rescans left haha Pure Iron Ingots or Aluiminum Rods for me I guess

[trim vine]

iron

[reef basin]

again, choose based on your preferences 😉

[reef basin]

there's a difference between "I would use this recipe for my factory" and "this recipe is useful in certain scenarios"

[modest nest]

I think the only alt recipe Ive actually used so far has been Cast Screws

[willow dawn]

How do you snap glass windows so that they lay flat like for a roof? it keeps wanting to snap to the walls :S

[quiet gust]

glass roof?

[willow dawn]

yes, roof made of glass

[quiet gust]

no the buildable

[willow dawn]

In what menu is it?

[quiet gust]

architecture

[willow dawn]

I looked through all at the fixit shop... perhaps I can't unlock it yet

[quiet gust]

do you have roofs

[willow dawn]

yes

[quiet gust]

bottom of customizzer

[reef basin]

it's probably my least liked recipe tbh

[trim vine]

hold on now

for early game or overall?

[willow dawn]

It's not there, nothing about glass in the customizer

[reef basin]

overall

[quiet gust]

( he thinks its too overused and overglazed)

[quiet gust]

in the shop

[modest nest]

I mean all it really does it cut out a production step

[quiet oar]

is there a button to cycle between belt types?

[willow dawn]

Just checking again and not there

[trim vine]

fair, steel screws are much better, but early game its an S tier alt

[quiet gust]

e

[reef basin]

as well as giving practically no advantage at the "high" cost of a drive

[willow dawn]

I just see fixit roofs

But I can't seem to make them glass

[reef basin]

no I mean "overall" as "at all points of game"

[willow dawn]

and there doesn't seem to be a special glass roofs category

[reef basin]

I wouldn't really use it in my playthrough

[quiet gust]

do you have3 quartz unlocked

[steel atlas]

So I was focusing on moving and building to a new location and I forgot my basic material crafters working on the old base and now I have... 3-4 storage boxes full of starter mats.. what can I do with em.. like rods screws and such

[trim vine]

Oh, then explain

Explain how that alt is worse than regular screw recipe when you are in the early game either on Biofuel or early coal gennies

[willow dawn]

ahhh I need to unlock glass in the customizer tab of the shop

[reef basin]

why would I "waste" a drive on a recipe that I'll use for ~30 minutes at most in a single place (screws for rotors)

[willow dawn]

I didn't think to look there

Thanks 🙂

[quiet gust]

cause it saves power

[trim vine]

how can one waste a drive when there are more hard drive than alt recipes?

[quiet gust]

(some are in harder locations than others)

[modest nest]

Yeah thats what Ive been thinking

[trim vine]

irrelevant

[reef basin]

early game you don't have as many drives and I'd rather pick and use recipes that actually save me resources as well as power

[trim vine]

by the time you start needing the harder to get drives, its easier to get them

[reef basin]

very small amount of power in relation to all the power you need

[trim vine]

such as?

[quiet gust]

( saves li8ke 60% of the power but ok)

[reef basin]

stitched plates

[modest nest]

EW

[quiet gust]

and that early you get inventory slot cast screws and iron wire and thats it iirc

[reef basin]

60% of ALL the power you need for all your machines?

[quiet gust]

no but in that early of game it helps

im taking phase 1

[trim vine]

ok, so thats one, and usually you can get 2-4 hard drives early fairly easily, what else?

[steel atlas]

help lol

[reef basin]

cast screws, iron wire, bolted plate, stitched plate, copper rotor, bolted frame

[reef basin]

leave them for T3

[modest nest]

I think its easy to get more than that with limited experience in the game honestly

[quiet gust]

stitched plate is only good if you are excess of copper

[trim vine]

copper rotor without an easier screw situation, wild

[reef basin]

which you always have in early game

[quiet gust]

bloted frame saves power but is less reasource effiecient

[reef basin]

that was reply to "which recipes you can get"

I didn't say I'd pick those

[trim vine]

I am asking you, in the early game, what recipes are better that you would pick

[reef basin]

stitched plate

[trim vine]

what else

[reef basin]

and leave rest of drives for T3

[trim vine]

CRAZY WORK (though steel do be needing a lot) you will have farmed more

[reef basin]

I'm not spending a drive to save a few MW for a few minutes to make the ~100 rotors needed to advance to phase 2

[modest nest]

Not spending a drive that theres enough of to get all alt recipes

[quiet gust]

so are you a speedrun to tier nine type of guy

[modest nest]

peak

[reef basin]

not spending a drive that I can make better use of

yes, I'll eventually get all recipes, but I don't see a need to get recipes I don't have a use for before I get the ones I do have use for

why pick 8 recipes to use 1 and then have to find more drives, when I can pick 1 recipe and then pick 7 later when I need them?

[trim vine]

So, what do you do in tier 9 with an excess of 20 or so hard drives

[reef basin]

yes, I'll eventually get all recipes,

[trim vine]

but by tier 9, cast screws, stitched plate, and others become somewhat useless

[reef basin]

stitched plates are useful throughout the whole game

[hexed phoenix]

Should have all drives by Tier 9 imho

[smoky forge]

dont argue with him over alt. recepies

[burnt ferry]

have they redistributed pure/impure nodes? i remember when i started a new game in the right most startin area back in update 5 (desert/dunes) the closest iron nodes were pure... now in my very new game theyre all impure. but at the same time, very close to the spawning point and in fact right at the closest iron node is a huge oasis.. with tons of wood and leaves and a huge lake for water. cant remember that to be there, so i wonder whether they moved the entire spawn location

[reef basin]

and I get all recipes just to be the completionist and get them all

[smoky forge]

i strongly advise you not to

[trim vine]

not with ruber

[reef basin]

yes, even with rubber

[trim vine]

I love greeny, we do this every couple of weeks

[quiet gust]

*twice daily

[smoky forge]

same but for me no, i got a lil tired

[hexed phoenix]

Anyhow.. I usually pick early stage recipes based on - less steps for final product = less complexity and less tear down when upgrading later on :D

[steel atlas]

help....

[trim vine]

greeny is a true pioneer who follows my advice in the three step plan, which is #3, do whatever you want

[trim vine]

DIMENSIONAL DEPOTS

[smoky forge]

sink em

[steel atlas]

what is that

[burnt ferry]

build stuff from it... considering late game amounts a few containers is nothing

[smoky forge]

excuse me?

did you actualy play the game?

[steel atlas]

no? just started?

[trim vine]

Remember what I told you

1. POWER
2. AGGRESSIVE MAM/HARD DRIVES
3. WHATEVER YOU WANT

[hexed phoenix]

I'd sink them.. You'd spend more time moving them, than building new machines and rebuilding the stockpile..

[smoky forge]

oh

[steel atlas]

did you start playing the game after playing the game? 😮

[smoky forge]

i thought u progressed into the game and now u wna get rid of early game stuff

[burnt ferry]

chill.. you have to find a sam node to even see the research option

[smoky forge]

yeah yeah alr

[burnt ferry]

so unless finding sam you dont know what its for

[steel atlas]

I moved them it was not that far but it is a lot..

I'd have to stack storages on top of eachother.. like a lot lol

[trim vine]

#satisfactory message

[burnt ferry]

dont worry.. .use the mats when youre out of some...

[smoky forge]

you either just keep them or sink em, either way they will get used eventualy

[burnt ferry]

other than that just continue

[hexed phoenix]

Many many many times yes..

I have done plenty of playthroughs.. And everytime I start a new world, I take some valueable wisdom from the previous playthrough with me, and learn from the previous mistakes :)

[smoky forge]

i only got 1 singleplayer world lol

[burnt ferry]

i have five container full of rubber... not belt connected.. i just dropped rubber there when rebuilding storages and train stations.. i forgot about it immediately

[steel atlas]

I guess I'll keep like 3 storages of each and sink the rest

[burnt ferry]

if at least two production steps are involved that might be worth it

i also sink raw material as we have infinite amounts of those and they just end up filling inventory space

wel... in fact.. i just sink everything... i sometimes keep mats around because i think i will use them... but i will use newly produced ones instead and eventually find the old storage and THEN sink everything

[shell lynx]

wait later on i can adjust how much a constructor produces right?

[burnt ferry]

you can under and overclock

[smoky forge]

like very early game yes

[burnt ferry]

overclock requires additional stuff but yes

[smoky forge]

just find some power slugs and research em

[shell lynx]

ah right the MAM

[burnt ferry]

you need to work on your objectivity.. its not a mandatory milestone

[smoky forge]

best building

OAT

[burnt ferry]

no.. but you need to research the stuff in the mam thats right

[shell lynx]

i do not wanan make 8 constructors just for screws

[burnt ferry]

steel screws

[smoky forge]

one is enough usualy

[shell lynx]

i just started the game 😭

[burnt ferry]

and/or adhered iron plate

you can go completely screwless

but if you ned screws, make steel screws.. the iron to screw ratio is A LOT better

[smoky forge]

just so yk, later in the game screws are such a pain , every alternate recepie wich doesnt use em becomes op

[burnt ferry]

then you dont need as many.. just dkeep the recipe name in mind. and take it as soon as you get it

[shell lynx]

i will repurpose the mwhen i am at that point of the game

[burnt ferry]

steel screws to get lots of screws and adhered iron plate and encased frame, to be screwless

[burnt ferry]

yep..

[smoky forge]

do you have steel or are you at building the space elevator ?

[burnt ferry]

just make sure not to pick recipies from HDDs if you dont need both

[shell lynx]

yea that space elevator

[burnt ferry]

keep the hdd undecided such that future hdd roll different recipes

[smoky forge]

automate rotors

it will be a litle leap in progression but its worth it

[reef basin]

if you care about that ratio, make steel rods instead

[shell lynx]

rn am tryna make a iron plates and screws and rods with taht 3 iron plot

[smoky forge]

aluminum r bettr fr!

[shell lynx]

cuz i feel like thats the basic stuff i will need

[smoky forge]

(we in early game here but eh)

[burnt ferry]

huh? its not iron to rod which has the bad ratio but rods to screws...

[smoky forge]

yeah those are needed in large numbers

[burnt ferry]

but ima have a look.. its also an extra production step..

[smoky forge]

so be sure to make 2 storages each

[reef basin]

steel rod -> base screws is cheaper on steel than steel screws

[shell lynx]

once i get that verticle conveyor thing yes

wait i alr have it

[smoky forge]

the conveyor lift ye that one is gud

[burnt ferry]

i dont care about cheaper son steel though.. i care about iron ore to screw

[reef basin]

well iron ore is needed for steel 🙂

[smoky forge]

u will get the tier 2 one but that one is expensive related to early game materials

[burnt ferry]

yes of course.. but there is alternate recipes for that as well

[reef basin]

so if you "save steel", you're saving iron as well

[burnt ferry]

anyway ima have a look... but since you dont need screws at all

i didnt bother after steel screws

[reef basin]

none of them remove iron ore requirement from steel

[burnt ferry]

i didnt said that they do

[reef basin]

well then they are irrelevant

[burnt ferry]

you confused something

[shell lynx]

yea i am focusing on the tier 1 rn cuz like i want my factories to look atleast ab it organised
and foundations wil let me make a big ol topwer of prodcution rather than spread out

[calm thorn]

is there any way to actually manage the electric system easily? it's a nightmare to fix or change things

[smoky forge]

dont do that, the organisation is only needed in larger things, you're just wasting time tbh

[burnt ferry]

they are.. i also stopped using steel beams anyways

because the pipe recipes are all better

[shell lynx]

i usually look at the electric poel closest to my generator to see by how much its overloading and stuff

[smoky forge]

just aim for efficiency and large numbers, anything else you do later

[burnt ferry]

i only need beams for train tracks

[shell lynx]

u can check that pwoer pole

[hybrid void]

This game feels like doing crack

[reef basin]

steel rod: 62.5 iron + 62.5 coal -> 1000 screws
steel screw: 76.9 iron + 76.9 coal -> 1000 screws
base screw: 250 iron -> 1000 screws

(assumes all other recipes default)

[shell lynx]

well yea getting plates screws and rods wil llet me do many things
foundations as a bonus :P

[burnt ferry]

aim to unlock milestones.. because you can only do 'anything else' later when you have unlocked all

[calm thorn]

yeah but i would like to make again the entire system because i unlocked the coal generator but there is no easy way of doing so

[burnt ferry]

and instead of overoptimising phase 2... scout for slugs/spheres/slops

[smoky forge]

yeah milestones you never want to have locked

instandly try to unlock em

[hybrid void]

Wait we have a ficsit intern here?

[burnt ferry]

in update 5 i wasted HOURS to optimize screw production

when i could have searched for the right recipe in that time instead

[shell lynx]

i remember there was some bug that let u reroll recipes before full release
its prolly fixed now

[burnt ferry]

this playthrough i didnt bother building anything super complex but scouted the hell outa the map upfront

was worth it 100%

[reef basin]

rerolling with that was kinda waste of time

[burnt ferry]

i do have all recipes. so shoutout @reef basin its really not that big of a deal

[smoky forge]

LOL

[reef basin]

I never said it's a big deal 🤷

[burnt ferry]

i have hundreds of shards and in fact i wasted a huge pilea s well as i started to slope too late

[burnt ferry]

i didnt say you did

but others dcall you out for it.. ima back you up basically

[shell lynx]

yeeeeees but my factories were making most of all that time

tbh i was just buildin and exploring while i did that reroll shenanigan

[smoky forge]

i didnt rly made factories in my world

just mass smelting factorys

19200 iron ingots /min

[burnt ferry]

smelters are so update 4

[smoky forge]

and what was it like 6000 copper? idk

[burnt ferry]

2017 called.. it wants its smelters back

and tells you to use your refineries isntead

[shy mulch]

that won't matter any more once you're in phase 5 😛

[smoky forge]

i am using leached iron and pure copper

[shell lynx]

theres something super satisfying of seeing a fully efficient factory not wasting a second in production

[burnt ferry]

ye sure.. but what about the way until phase5?

[smoky forge]

i accived that

in my iron one, 1200 on 16 belts

[shy mulch]

then it matters 😛

[smoky forge]

🤩

[shell lynx]

a satisfactory outcome, as some would say

[atomic siren]

guys my friend is tryna join (via. ip, dont wanna use steam/epic because its glitchy for us), and i'm using playit.gg so I don't have to port forward (idk why but its very weird on my router). Everytime he joins, on my screen it says player joined, then a few seconds later it leaves. It either crashes for him or he gets some disconnect message

[smoky forge]

truly

[burnt ferry]

'satisfactory' is like a C

[shell lynx]

my old world i absolutely loved
everythin was how it is supposed to

[burnt ferry]

i got reminded recently because of youtube automatic video title translation

it says 'Befriedigend - ich baue gürtel"

[atomic siren]

everything is setup just fine, it should work

[burnt ferry]

you should disable universal plug and play on your router.. its insecure (and the reason you dont have to port forward when youd normally have to)

[atomic siren]

my parents have a weird business router and im not even sure where that is within settings

[burnt ferry]

well.. if its actually a business router.... at least one of them should be concerned about that 😂

[atomic siren]

well idk whats up with that haha

[burnt ferry]

upnp allows clients to make your router dynamically forward ports.... of course this is easy to exploit

[atomic siren]

oh nevermind it is off

[burnt ferry]

its not actually your problem... they shouldnt do anything just because i said it anyway... but if its a business device, they should know someone they can ask about it

but as they pay your bread, I'd try to tell em 😂

[atomic siren]

well its off anyways and my dad would not care a single bit so if he gets some cyberattack thats on him

[shell lynx]

so i scanned a powerslug
where is my powershard..?

[atomic siren]

anyways any idea how to fix this because i genuinely don't know why this is happening

playit.gg is running on my PC, everythign should be set up fine

[burnt ferry]

just take care about your heritage 😂

[shell lynx]

o wait i have to craft it

silly me

[burnt ferry]

yea an dnormally youd have to forward ports if that service needs to get connected to.. if you do that explicitly only that port will be forwarded.. with upnp.. an attacker could launch a different service on your pc and connect to it.. without upnp this would be impossible without further, more complicated attack techniques.... with upnp you can download a script on stackoverflow

[fallow hollow]

How do you unlock mk2 pipes? sorry for the bot questions💔

[wary parrot]

can i play with other people>

[atomic siren]

i think its in stage or whatever its called 5

[burnt ferry]

with the milestone that include them

[atomic siren]

tier 6

@burnt ferry
would you happen to know if this is correct? Do i need to use my machines ipv4 (via. ipconfig) or is localhost fine #screenshots message

on tcp+udp

[burnt ferry]

127.0.0.1 is a placeholder that always refers to the machine youre on

[atomic siren]

so it shouldnt matter

[burnt ferry]

it cant be used by other clients to find you because with that they can only ever find themselves

use a service like whatsmyip dot com to get your public ip if your router isnt showing

dk if ipconfig on cmd shows the public ip ... think yes

[atomic siren]

well idk cuz on whatismyip its different than on ipconfig

135...... vs 192...

[burnt ferry]

ye ipconfig can be hard to parse

if it even tells

the website is the secure way.. because the website cant see any wrong ip of yours like 127.... it can only see your public ip which is the one you need.. it will abe the ip address of your router though. hence you need those port shenanigans, for your router to know where to put these requests

[atomic siren]

and for whatever reason it was working fine on 127.0.0.1 before

[burnt ferry]

ye of course it works for you because yuou can find your own pc with that

[atomic siren]

no like my friend could join lol

on a different network idk how that works

[burnt ferry]

it just not a setting you should have to make because the system would know that ip address if it wants to us eit

[burnt ferry]

the ip address 127.0.0.1 is impossible to be relevant for your friend to connect to you

it is a symbolic address which ALWAYS points to the local machine.. and never to somewhere else

why it works when you put it there? the service you use issues... cant help with that

the ip adress just is a technical invariant you cant discuss away

[atomic siren]

well thats just the local address I put into playit.gg, obviously he didn't connect with that

[burnt ferry]

read the docs then... it cannot be used in the way you expect

no matter how hard you wish 😂

[atomic siren]

yeah thats why I am confused because it WAS working in that same way

which makes no sense

[burnt ferry]

waht im saying: your friend can connect/cant connect because of something else

and if thats not the case. the docs will tell you

but like i said. this adress is not actually a magic number... its a well defined adress... so even if play.gg was using it somehow it doesnt need to ask you for it

[shell lynx]

prolly will use the shards for the screw factory rods are fine

[burnt ferry]

play.gg cant connect to you by 127.0.0.1 either.. unless from a service that runs on your pc

[atomic siren]

it does run on my pc

[burnt ferry]

ah. great that you could fix it

[atomic siren]

its like this and has been like this and my friend could connect before via the ip it provides
#off-topic-media message

[burnt ferry]

(i cant help you anymore than explaining what the ip address you have used actually means.. im not making this up, nor is this something where you can have an opinion about... everything else is special to play.gg which i have no clue about... only thing i know is that play.gg cant change the role of that ip address either, but again: read. the. docs)

[atomic siren]

alr man thanks for the explanation anyways

[burnt ferry]

about steel screws: im using the molded beam recipe.. with that i get 152 screws from 8 steel.... steel rods give me 128 screws for 8 steel... the default recipe for beams has a worse steel:screw ratio

i dont care about the concrete because i use wet concrete

but like i said: for everything else steel pipes are better

[peak wasp]

Hey there

[primal sedge]

what to do? When a friend logs in to the server, the game crashes

[smoky forge]

open a #1038092680493801533

[wicked nacelle]

get new friends

[peak wasp]

So am I doing lines right?

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

looks fine. I used curves but whatever. Are you pulling these by hand? If so, look at making a blueprint that pulls a bunch (I often do 2 rows of 4 high) at a time with autoconnect

it's way faster and it shows you how far you can space things at the same time

[peak wasp]

I am pulling the pipes by hand but the other stuff is blueprint

[willow dawn]

Good tip

[lost wagon]

where is the megathread with what automation games to buy on this sale, besides Satisfactory

[wicked nacelle]

If you're going any meaningful distance, make a blueprint. Evn if you're just pulling one pipe, if you're using stands, it's faster with a blueprint.

[white dawn]

Heh. Various other automation games have been talked about not-infrequently, both here and in #off-topic-general

[peak wasp]

The stands are a blueprint

The pipes are pulled by me

[wicked nacelle]

if you just put pipe nubs at the end of your stands blueprint then they will autoconnect

and just stands won't show you distance you can put between them whereas autoconnect will

[peak wasp]

Interesting I will try that thanks

[wicked nacelle]

I recommend making the nubs long enough to put a junction on since you can't put junctions on curves

[peak wasp]

Wait how do nubs work it keeps trying to lock to another one

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1395147870616682648/image.png?ex=68796434&is=687812b4&hm=47b3674d2c9b98e066b5382cdf69235200ca1c872add789835371fa86d551888& is what I use. Use blueprint autoconnect mode and first, snap it on to the other one, click, then move it to final position, click again. Sometimes if there is too much other stuff in the way it doesn't work but for long runs in the open it's always great

you don't need the long straight area that I have in mine, but that's what I have

[peak wasp]

Yeah I am confused on how the pipes are doing that I put it on auto connect mode and no pipes show up

[viral egret]

hey, employee, are you saying your loyalty to ficsit™ inc. is not strong enough?

[willow dawn]

I'm sure you mean pioneer 😉

[viral egret]

damn sorry wrong game

so many games, i'm getting confused

[wicked nacelle]

did you put pipe nubs on at least one end?

[modest nest]

Sounds like your loyalty to ficsit isn't strong enough

[viral egret]

damn 😔

[willow dawn]

Are you saying you loyalty to Ficsit isn't strong enough?

[viral egret]

damn 😔 x2

[modest nest]

Bro got it twice haha

[willow dawn]

Great minds think alike? 😛

[viral egret]

i wish satisfactory was smaller scale, i hate not being able to see things from the top

[modest nest]

Yessir

[viral egret]

i mean, i have fly mode, but that means no achivements

[willow dawn]

Or maybe it was just such an open door we both had to kick it in

[willow dawn]

Later there is a hoverpack

[viral egret]

it's too late into the game imo

[willow dawn]

and before a jetpack though thats annoying with building

[viral egret]

for such a fundemental part of the game

[reef wasp]

I think it's at a good spot in the game.

[willow dawn]

You could always just build a minecraft tower and jetpack up to it 🙂

I hadn't really missed it so far but starting to now that my factories are getting bigger and more complex

Hopefully I will unlock it soon (no spoilers!)

[reef wasp]

The Jetpack and Hover Pack unlocks are both fair.

[willow dawn]

jetpack isn't unlocked at tier six

[viral egret]

idk, i also feel like i'm too afraid to expand and make my builds bigger... maybe i should just lock in and make that goddamn factory be big

[willow dawn]

ooh wait I am thinking about phases

[modest nest]

I like micro factories

makes it easier

[peak wasp]

Couldn't figure out how to do a pipe nub it kept trying to connect to other stands

[willow dawn]

Big is a subjective term really

I started out thinking I was building big but my earlier factories are babies to what I have to build now

[wicked nacelle]

make a blueprint. Put two pipe stands a meter away from each other. Connect them with a pipe. Then delete one of the stands. Then use that blueprint in blueprint autoconnect mode

[reef wasp]

Thanks.

[peak wasp]

Can I use a blue print in a blueprint

[willow dawn]

?

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think we're talking about the same thing

[viral egret]

like, i wanna make a 16 way even splitter for my energy needs, cause i want it to be that way, and it's HUGE but it gotta be done 😔

[reef wasp]

I really need to get to work on my Supercomputer setup.

[dense violet]

16 way splitter? Y?

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1395153190223220796/image.png?ex=68796929&is=687817a9&hm=5194664447d838565591cf49281874dfac5b9184ea9e235ff0f96bf40b1ab2e6& make this blueprint

[peak wasp]

Well you say I need to put the stands next to each other about a meter away...so my idea was just to delete my current blueprint and then place it into the blueprint platform that way

[willow dawn]

yeah just lock in, I was trying to make myself excited all day for building my first indoor factory today (all have been open air so far) and now that it's done I am super happy with it

[viral egret]

cause i want 16 energy centers or however you call them, and i want them to be fed equally

[peak wasp]

So can I use a blueprint in a blueprint platform

[willow dawn]

A bit boxy sure but still interesting to look at

[dense violet]

Coal gens? Fuel?

[willow dawn]

What energy?

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1395153446277087283/image.png?ex=68796966&is=687817e6&hm=cf75007cb0cc86882031e0c83acad88bc2b139391be68ba3f561c6674c4ccdeb& then use it like this

[viral egret]

biofuels

i havent unlocked them yet tho

[willow dawn]

15 is better

[lost wagon]

looks like I am not the one that has no loyalty

[dense violet]

As in bio burners?

[viral egret]

but but
16 is satisfying number, it's good number

[viral egret]

yesh

[wicked nacelle]

yes, you can place a blueprint in a blueprint maker... but sometimes they won't quite fit. but if it's much smaller yes

[willow dawn]

haha you need to let go of that

But hey, you do you 🙂

[peak wasp]

Okay sweet

[dense violet]

They burn at an even rate, you don’t need to split them like that

[viral egret]

wdym? i want max energy production, and yeah maybe i can manifold like 4 of them at most, but that's still 4 way splitter at least

[wicked nacelle]

You can also "load" a blueprint from the blueprint machine computer -- but that's only if they were made in the same size blueprint machine

[peak wasp]

Can I do this same technique with belts

[wicked nacelle]

yes

[lost wagon]

you can just nudge until they fit, works everytime

[wicked nacelle]

and my example with just one was just to make it quick for me. You can easily do this with many rows of multiple high pipes/belts. Pulling 25 at a time, for example is easy. (just make sure you have a full inventory of parts -- you'll burn thorugh DD fast)