satisfactory

[fathom shuttle]

I sent. Req

[reef basin]

Neither buffers nor valves are recommended to use

[trim vine]

I love valves in some systems, honestly

they are good at directing flow

[reef basin]

If it works for you, good for you. I'd still not recommend them

[trim vine]

Why?

[reef basin]

They cause issues and systems work just fine without them

[trim vine]

Not in a trolly way, can you articulate the issues?

Cause I have had flow rate issues in systems that valves have just fixed entirely.

Some systems do not need them, but at the very least, valves have never hurt

[reef basin]

Practically every "help pipe not piping" problem I've seen in past several years that had valves and buffers was fixed by removing those

I know a few people that say it helps them and as I said, good for them. But I can't recommend them due to how often they break things

[dense violet]

a lot of the time people think buffers and valves have fixed a thing, it's often something else they did a few minutes ago that did it and took time, or just happen to need more time to settle.
one of the reasons to flood a system beforehand

[vapid pewter]

any news on the next update?

[trim vine]

whats in the next update you're looking for

[vapid pewter]

anything tbh

[trim vine]

well, seeing as they just dropped 1.1, prolly awhile

[vapid pewter]

hope the next one bring more story line stuff tbh

[trim vine]

such as?

[vapid pewter]

do we get off the planet or not what happens to the planet we are on

[trim vine]

have you finished phase 5?

[vapid pewter]

yes

[trim vine]

well, then you know ||Ada abandoned us and we're condemned to wander that planet forever||

[vapid pewter]

is that when she joins the people?

[wicked marlin]

ok time to cheat, where can i find a hover pack in the world.

[vapid pewter]

hud

[trim vine]

||I'm convinced they make humans in pods and use us as labor to fund the hive mind Ada||

[vapid pewter]

to me she to nice to do that

[trim vine]

She constantly belittles us, mind you every single one of us who plays this is a masochist, but dont call it what it aint

[vapid pewter]

point there but it could just she being progammed to do that

[trim vine]

only makes sense if we're expendable

[vapid pewter]

yea

[wicked marlin]

nah fam i want to find a lootable object that is pre placed in the world.

[dense violet]

you make one

that's it

[stuck oak]

on an assembler, does it matter if both ingredients are in both conveyor ports?

i've got belts that will have both screws and bars for making rotors

[wicked marlin]

so your telling me my satisfactory friend has been lying to me this whole time when ever he dissapears for a few hours hunting for crash sites has actually secretly spawning in hover packs?

[dense violet]

unless you're doing something very specific it'll probably clog quick. use smart splitters

[stuck oak]

Tier 2

[dense violet]

10000%

[trim vine]

yes

you need screws on one belt and bars on another

[dense violet]

your friend is a filthy liar

[stuck oak]

damn, i'll need to reconfigure my belts then

i had my screw and bar setup manifolded onto a single belt line

[trim vine]

terrible idea in every facet of this game going forward

[stuck oak]

was trying to optimize based on belt speed, and the way it added up worked

[dense violet]

you can still do mixed belts, but have smart splitters sending 1 item per input

[wicked marlin]

well now im saddage

[dense violet]

and overflow into a sink if you're not sending the right parts per min

[dense violet]

yup. Gotta get rid of that friend 😛

[trim vine]

the way you are doing is as suboptimal as you can

@dense violet isnt wrong, but you need exhaust belts to catch overflow and thats just a headache

@stuck oak just run two belts into the machine, one with screws, one with bars

[wicked marlin]

nah u tweakin

[cursive crane]

Of all the things to sushi belt with screws are the worst possible choice Lol

[trim vine]

Sushi belts are an aesthetic choice at best, and is not optimal

[wicked marlin]

just sushi belt screws with other screws.

[lilac totem]

man trains are giving me a headache

[trim vine]

-ears perk up-

[dense violet]

stop mistreating them then 😛

[trim vine]

I cant laugh react to this and its upsetting

[reef basin]

How do you define "optimal" lol

[trim vine]

brutalist efficiency and simplicity

[dense violet]

oh fine, there

[lilac totem]

idk why, but for some reason, the train in the stations says that the other train station it's unreacheable because signaling. Which i find weird since from the other station the train gets there with no problem at all

[reef basin]

Sushi is simple and efficient

[trim vine]

What'd I do to annoy you 😦

[dense violet]

no idea, I was probably just grumpy. You didn't get a block note so it was probably that

[trim vine]

Is it a one lane track or a two lane track?

[lilac totem]

two lane track

[dense violet]

sounds like you should make a post in #1038092680493801533 with some overhead images!

it's probably a simple issue.

[trim vine]

starting with simplicity, are you sure the stations are both facing the right way?

[silver skiff]

ive been trying to wrap my head around how to make smart plating efficiently im returning to the game after a good while of not playing i have no clue how i did it on my old save lmao

[lilac totem]

let me check, i hope it's not that since i have been going crazy

[dense violet]

use 2 containers, put the exact number of parts needed, connect to assembler

[trim vine]

If you're sure the signals are proper, and the train made the trip before, then thats my best guess without seeing things

[trim vine]

do you know how to place splitters at ground and two "page ups" (verticle nudge)and then use conveyor lift to feed down into the machine?

[lilac totem]

alr guys im dropping satisfactory fr

total of 273 hours, 100 hours save file

and i placed the train station in the wrong direction

[dense violet]

it's like, the most common reason why new train people have a problem

I've spoken to like 3 people with that problem in the last 2 days

[trim vine]

650 hours in and I did the same thing, it happens

[lilac totem]

i mean, i guess it isn't my first time

It's the first time trying to connect the whole world and not failing in signals but in a train station, mind blowing

Well, at least it got fixed so thx

[silver skiff]

no

[trim vine]

well, if you can figure that out, or call me and I can walk you through it, logistics become very simple

[mellow tree]

where might one put a question about cosmetic wall building? Very quick, very easy

[trim vine]

#1038092680493801533

#design-and-architecture

[bitter agate]

Painfully wiring a factory to a switch board rn

[dense violet]

just ask here if it's that quick

[mellow tree]

should i put a 1m wall inbetween the 4m walls where i have another floor?

#design-and-architecture message

[modest nest]

I just used somersloops for the first time, who knew heavy modular frames could just be multiplied

[trim vine]

you should use em for power slugs and alien parts for DNA and the capsules, double all that

[modest nest]

That, is an excellent idea

I totally crafted 5 purple slugs into shards without them earlier

[trim vine]

~2500 power shards worth of slugs on the map

~5000 slooping them

[modest nest]

Oh we're fine I don't think I'll even need 2500 honestly

Im about to finish phase 3 and only have 6350MMW

[trim vine]

-stares in using 2100 power shards on ~800 fuel gennies_

[modest nest]

haha

I'd just build more fuel gennies, no shortage of resources to do so

[trim vine]

2000 fuel gennies versus 800

[modest nest]

I mean 2000 would look a lot cooler in a ss

[trim vine]

resources aint the problem there, sanity is

[modest nest]

Can't lose what there is none left of

[trim vine]

We're masochists, not insane

[quiet gust]

I might be insane, I'm planning on doing vertical rails

[trim vine]

explain

like a spiral?

[quiet gust]

Counterclockwise rail above clockwise rail

Not parallel rails

[trim vine]

seems, relatively speaking, easy enough, still, masochist, not insane

[quiet gust]

Bookie and I calculated if I run my factories properly I will make nearly 3tw

[modest nest]

it might just be me who is insane then, oh well anyways

[trim vine]

fuck is you making?

[modest nest]

oh wait no I think Longuini might also be

3tw

[quiet gust]

I'm using 2,880 rocket fuel for power, 3,333.333 ionized fuel, 850gw from nuclear and 4 matrixed augmentors

I'm doing a challenge run where I use all alts

[trim vine]

8000 rocket fuel gives me 450ish GW, how much more efficient is ionized fuel? ( I aint in game)

And how much is the nuclear plant doing?

[quiet gust]

850gw

[trim vine]

I can read, I promise

[quiet gust]

Ionized fuel is less efficient than rocket fuel

UNLESS

You have a 60% power boost or more

And including power boost it's like 2.84 tw

[trim vine]

1.16667 less burn rate, 20 seconds versus 14.4

aint too bad

[quiet gust]

Yes but the cost of the machines causes it to be a net loss

[trim vine]

-stares in ficsonium-

[quiet gust]

That's a bet neutral I believe, or close to it

Cause you also add the fact it lets you burn plutonium

Power boost is op bc it adds the most power relative to the cost it uses

[past steeple]

Sup! Where can I find a good place to get mods for Satisfactory? I don't want to go to some potentially sketchy website, already dealt with 1 virus this week

[trim vine]

Satisfactory Mod Manager,

[past steeple]

I presume that is through Steam?

[quiet gust]

No

Google it

[modest nest]

Iron Pipe or Quickwire Stator

[quiet gust]

I HATE STATORSSSSS RAHHHHGHHHHGHFJ

[past steeple]

Excellent, thanks! I thought it might be under community but had no luck

[quiet gust]

iron pipe bc stators are only for motors and emcs

[modest nest]

ok cool, yeah Stators kinda suck

[silver skiff]

phase one done

[dense violet]

just as a thing, if you haven't gone through all the tiers vanilla before I highly recommend doing so before modding.

there's a lot to it and mods can really bog things down if you don't have the basics

[past steeple]

I just finished Tier 8 and am honestly getting a bit of burnout. Looking to change up some things for some spice of life

Have not fully completed phase 4 yet

[dense violet]

personally I consider tiers 1-9 a tutorial. Get to your own projects after everything is unlocked and you really get freedom

[quiet gust]

Unless it's qol like infinite nudge or maybe inventory expansion

[quiet gust]

Aka speed run to tier 9 then have super freedom

[dense violet]

eh, they've softened up nudge and inventory to such a degree I question people's needs of anything like that

building is almost creative mode with dim depots

[quiet gust]

I only think infinite nudge bc it has smaller nudges so better building

[dense violet]

I miss micro manage for that

[quiet gust]

Iirc

[dense violet]

IN from what I can tell misses about 90% of the functionality of MM

[past steeple]

I could also bite the bullet and learn how to use trains. They were a bit of a pain in Factorio, so I have been procrastinating lol

[dense violet]

have trains go from Point A to B, with 2 lanes, and stations off the side, and it's brain dead easy

you can go fancier of course but that takes more knowhow and effort

[undone lichen]

If you merge a screws belt and a plate belt into one singular belt and feed that one belt into a reinforced Iron plate assembler input would it work the same way as if the plate and screws are on seperate belt & seperate input?

Don't have my pc rn im pretty curious

[quiet gust]

No

[undone lichen]

Aight

[quiet gust]

Not without programmable splitters

Just look up satisfactory sushi belt tutorial

[past steeple]

Wouldn't you only need smart splitters since they are only dealing with 2 items?

[quiet gust]

Maybe

Idk it's midnight rn

[dense violet]

A single input? You technically don’t need a prog splitter for that, but then that belt is only feeding 1 machine

[sterile blade]

What do you think would happen if any of the input inventories of the machine filled up? ^^ (eg: too many screws)

[dense violet]

If you’re using two inputs that’s standard sushi and only needs smart

[undone lichen]

Eh just wondering

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I'm trying to "guide" your wondering ^^

[quiet gust]

You can but it requires items to be equal I think

[past steeple]

Imagine not hunting down every possible alt recipe to avoid using screws at all costs

😛

[undone lichen]

That's assuming if the input exceeds the consumption :p

[quiet gust]

Imagine being scawed of scwews

[reef basin]

Yes

[past steeple]

I also currently have 1 base in which I make everything in, which I have heard can make computers throw a tantrum and leave for milk

[sterile blade]

Well, if any input lacks, even if the other is "just enough" the result would be the same: one of the items would fill up the internal inventory of the machine. At that point (as you can imagine), the belt wouldn't be able to push more items inside including the item lacking for the machine to keep processing - > the system is "clogged"

[undone lichen]

And that's assuming if one of the input is lacking

[sterile blade]

So, in other words: no, feeding machines via a single input is not exactly the same as using both inputs. The system becomes more "fragile"

[undone lichen]

Then again valid concern i guess

[sterile blade]

In more generic words: if any inputs don't match up exactly with what is actually needed

[undone lichen]

Mate i do understand lol, thx for bringing those up i guess.

[sterile blade]

How hard it is to provide a stable input is up to the user to decide :P

[fallow hollow]

Is rubberbanding regardless of the hosts internet speed a known thing with multiplayer in satisfactory?

[sterile blade]

Ikr?!
#screenshots message

[quiet gust]

Ok with sushi belts it's understandable

[undone lichen]

I'll look into them soon, thank you

[quiet gust]

Gaming with doc has a short about it but he rarely uses them so not sure who might be a better tutorial on it

[sterile blade]

Tbh... As far as I know there is just one tutorial (out of quite many) that actually touches on single input sushi feeds...
There's plenty of "sushi tutorials", but all of them involve sushi manifolds (ie: using all inputs of a machine like a sane person)

[fathom shuttle]

Almost done with the turbo motors factory

Just need to bring in items via drone and build the 25 manufactures left lol

26 of them but still

[mellow tree]

#screenshots message mans made Umate in satisfactory

[silver skiff]

damn coal is far away

[warped roost]

@fervent reef #screenshots message I think we all work at different speeds. That looks great, you are making progress. This game takes a long time to beat. I am working with 3 other friends on a server, we are just closing in on the end and we started last year.

[gloomy oasis]

I play on a new PC, my savefile was there from I guess the cloud but all my blueprints are missing.
Where can I get them?

[modest nest]

some of my smelters keep resetting the selected recipe and just ceasing to work

[fervent reef]

ive had like 5+ different play throughs and the furthest i have gotten is making fused modular frames and whatnot

[warped roost]

Do all you can not to start again. Just keep working at it. Always be thinking about upgrading and expanding. Make stackable blueprints so you can add on to buildings.

[warped roost]

I have not had that bug show up. I have certainly had others.

[eager tartan]

Guys at what point do ppl like dip from their starter biome, like ik answers whenever u feel like it but I wanna like uk stay close coz I hate running around but at what point do u think its like okay mate time to go stop being a lazy bum.

[fervent reef]

what do you think is the best stuff to automate at my stage? i think im gonna setup a massive computer factory for super computers, regular computers, high speed connectors, etc

i dont have any of that automated yet

[fervent reef]

i like rocky desert for a mix of space to build / resources

[warped roost]

You need the resources from the entire map if you are going to win. You will need trains to everywhere. Make a train network and you can get where you need to go on trains. Learn how to make hypertube cannons. (make sure you have a jetpack first) Those are great for travel.

[eager tartan]

Im like starting to setup steel production :p

[fervent reef]

i could have sworn it was easier to unlock oil refinery / heavy modular frame stuff in different updates

[warped roost]

All depends on what you need next, what elevator parts are required and what do you need to build other machines and devices. That is what drives what factories you need to build.

[warped roost]

Do you use the planner? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[vapid zephyr]

Old pc and look into %LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\Blueprints

[fervent reef]

yeah i just started using it the other day

[warped roost]

That will help tons.

[fathom shuttle]

I’m finally done guys #screenshots message

[fervent reef]

i dont know how to find the most optimal recipes though, because sometimes i have to underclock/overclock a ton of different stuff depending on what i need, i like the most synergistic recipes

[fathom shuttle]

My power grid isn’t looking too good at the of all this, 67GW/92GW

I could barely squeeze the nuclear pasta factory there

[shy mulch]

sounds like you need to take a rest from production and spend some time building a massive power plant 😛

[fathom shuttle]

12.5m/min points the

684 coupons, I can already buy the golden nut statue

[fathom shuttle]

Yea that’s the plan once the nuclear pasta factory is done

[steel atlas]

does production stop if you quit game?

[fathom shuttle]

I want it to farm some points for me in the background

[warped roost]

There is not right way. You have to balance out between what resources are in the area, what recipes you have available and go from there. I would recommend getting as many hard drives for the MAM as you can.

[shy mulch]

I think I might have nuclear pasta with nuclear tuna for lunch today

[warped roost]

On your local machine, yes. On a dedicated server, no.

[steel atlas]

sux

[fathom shuttle]

If I spend 30 hours on the nuclear power plant then I’d farm 34B points during that time

That’s probably 750-850 tickets

[shy mulch]

I stopped looking at ticket count after I made golden nut statue, I wonder how many tickets I have sitting now 😮

[fathom shuttle]

I’m curious

[shy mulch]

I remember someone saying the points per ticket stops increasing at a certain point and levels out?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea but that’s way way later

Like when each ticket starts costing 240m

[shy mulch]

I have no idea what mine are at lol

meant to be working right now, but I'll jump on the game for 2 mins just to look, got me wondering now!

[warped roost]

Just sink all your overflows with smart splitters. the tickets will pile up while you work.

[steel atlas]

So a friend of mine logged out in the middle of my production area and I'll have to take everything down to build again.. Is his body gonna be here forever lol

[shy mulch]

The points you get for early game stuff is so irrelevant compared to late game stuff. If I'm sinking BWD then pretty much nothing else even matters

[warped roost]

If it is your game, there is a way to delete the character. I don't quite remember. Admin commands I think.

[warped roost]

We are at Tier 9, tickes don't matter anymore and have not for a long time. However, since I use sinks to test factory outputs and look for issues, We get lots of tickets still.

[real wolf]

Is 10 computers per min good enough for a little while?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea plenty

[shy mulch]

Just checked, got just over 200 coupons sitting there, got all statues so no real use for any more. Currently sinking 2m points per min average and need 60m per coupon atm

[fathom shuttle]

A single BWD is 3m how are you only getting 2m

[warped roost]

That's is enough. That is 600 / hr.

[shy mulch]

im not sinking any BWD atm

[steel atlas]

anyone knows how to do this?

[fathom shuttle]

Are you saving them up?

[real wolf]

Jesus christ. Yeah I need 600 for tier 7

[warped roost]

Load your save file into the the map editor: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ remove them and save the file back into the game save location. BACK IT UP FIRST.

[foggy heart]

nvm

[modest nest]

I broke my power grid while adding onto the power grid

[real wolf]

[warped roost]

counterproductive to be sure...

[modest nest]

Its ok I just flicked the switch thing and its working fine again

glad it wan't an issue haha

[warped roost]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-the-cat-phew-relieved-sigh-gif-17213206

Oh, no Gifs. 😆 No worries. They just clutter things up.

I need sleep.

[modest nest]

how much power do you think I need to finish phase 4

[warped roost]

I will go sleep now

I am out of power

[fathom shuttle]

500GW

[modest nest]

Jeebus, ok how about like tier 7 so the first half of phase 4

[steel atlas]

I don't see an option to remove him

[fathom shuttle]

I’m just messing with you, 50GW or so will carry you to end game

[warped roost]

Check online. I'm heading out. Sorry.

[warped roost]

That's a lot of biomass burners!!

[modest nest]

biomass?

we burning fuel out here

[warped roost]

LOL jk

[modest nest]

lmaoo

50GW/30MW

[sharp bay]

Smack him out lol

[warped roost]

Cuts down every tree in game, automates 500 biomass burners

[edgy swift]

Is there a way to setup a dedicated server without any port fowarding or money?

[steel atlas]

can't.. tried..

[fathom shuttle]

Im building big and only using 67GW btw no particle accelerators or anything like that

[sharp bay]

Oh whatt
I used that on my friend before it worked

[fathom shuttle]

So as long as you stay small with factory sizes 50GW is enough

[warped roost]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f63q2d/how_to_remove_old_players/

[steel atlas]

I've already seen it. There is delete option for everything but for players.

[warped roost]

I don't know man. I'm too tired. Keep on searching online. The answer is out there.

[steel atlas]

nvm got it, thanks

[modest nest]

How do I get the machine for the thing I sent in #screenshots

Honestly no clue what to call it

[edgy swift]

I love how youtubers give there saves out (DM me if you want to join ImKibitz save)

[foggy heart]

Ive got like 300 rubber/min coming to my main base via train (not being used for anything, just storage then sink), and now i need to send 60 to one factory and 63 to another factory. What would be the best way to do this?

[foggy heart]

you could kill him, and just transfer all his stuff to a storage container somewhere out of the way. His body will only respawn when he joins again. Had to do it a few time to my friends

[steel atlas]

like I said before, I can't kill him since he is sitting there logged out

[shy mulch]

resource well pressurizer

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Resource_Well_Pressurizer

[modest nest]

Yeahh thats what its called

[foggy heart]

Yes, You can still kill him. Like I said, I've done it many times

[steel atlas]

Like I've said, I tried for 10 minutes.

[modest nest]

ah radio control units

don't have those automated yet

anyways

[foggy heart]

you playing with mods?

[steel atlas]

Yes

[foggy heart]

im playing modless and can defs kill my friends that are logged out

[steel atlas]

🤷‍♂️ I can't.

[foggy heart]

well go through your mods and see what could be giving him god mode, disable it, kill him

[shy mulch]

When you kill a creature that's standing on a node and their remains land on the node, you can't pick it up, standing over it I can't get it to focus on the remains at all, I just mine the node if I press E. Is there any way to get the remains other than just save editing?

[steel atlas]

done that too. The only mod I have is Lights+ and ficsit cam

[foggy heart]

this may seem stupid. but how have you tried killing him? Ways I know that work is sticking roughly 10 nobelisks to them and then detonating by accident,, and also xeno basher (for science)

[edgy swift]

Does anyone wanna join a famous youtubers save named ImKibitz

[rapid venture]

Well, after a seemingly endless nightmare with fluidic frustration, seems the way to go is make sure every distribution manifold has a loop-back pipe from the last joint to the first. It's massively improved the stability of the system

[noble topaz]

how do i kill these plant things that spray gas at you when you get too close for too long

[rapid venture]

Nobelisks

[noble topaz]

damn

[rapid venture]

Afraid so

[noble topaz]

im not that far yet to get tnt

i just got steel

[shy mulch]

you can make them as soon as you unlock steel

there's not much to it

[modest nest]

just take a lot of food and tank the damage

unless you're trying to build in it

[rapid venture]

Prioritise the sulphur MAM research tree, and you should be able to make them at your stage [I think]

[noble topaz]

im gonna clear it out so i can get SAM down there

ok so

one issue

ive mined every sulfur in my area

closest one is the same cave im trying to get, where SAM is, and theres 3 in spider hell

[rapid venture]

Ah, spider hell. Everyone loves spider hell.

[eager tartan]

Gang im just starting my steel production and stuff, do i need to save ingots or shld I convert htem all to pipes and beams?

[rapid venture]

Steel ingots aren't useful except to make pipes and beams, use them

[vapid zephyr]

@modest nest To answer you question, the resource well presurizer is in tier 8.

[rapid venture]

I use the blueprint designer to make a shooting box. A simple little building with a glass roof and conveyor-hole walls to shoot through. Then plonk it down whenever I have spiders to deal with. Makes them trivial

[eager tartan]

Should I make encased industrial beams in my first steel factory as well?

[noble topaz]

what im doing is having one foundry make steel at 100% clock speed, and split them into 2 constructors

[rapid venture]

I mean, you will need them, and a lot of them. But as for how and where you make them, that's up to you

[foggy heart]

if you guys want a pretty fun glitch, while hovering with the jetpack switch to photo mode and decoupled camera

make sure you're holding space when switching to decoupled

[shy mulch]

I assume it just keeps going up forever?

[foggy heart]

ye

[noble topaz]

seeing the top of the space elevator lmao

im not sure if my factory is about where someone would be at this point

ok gn chat

[rapid venture]

Night

[shy mulch]

gn 😮 sometimes I forget the rest of the world exists haha. It's 9:15am here

[rapid venture]

Ditto

[modest nest]

Sweet thanks, I must be blind I looked through there earlier haha

[viral tendon]

With my soul and my body i hate copper powder

To get 3 nuclear pasta/m i need like 600 copper poweders/m

That's like 3 fully overclocked pure nodes with mk3 miners

[shy mulch]

yeah it uses so much lol

[viral tendon]

And the fact that nuclaer pasta nor powder got no alternate recipe is disguisting

[shy mulch]

you can use alts to make more copper ingots tho

i like pure copper ingot, cos water is basically free

[viral tendon]

I got none copper ingot alts

I got leached and tempered in MAM but they suck

[shy mulch]

instead of 1 ore - 1 ingot
you get 6 ore + 4 water = 15 ingot
makes the first step of your factory much smaller and better

[viral tendon]

I would fucking love pure copper ingot but i don't have it

[shy mulch]

you'll get it soon enough 🙂

[viral tendon]

I have so much unused recipes in mam but only 2 of them are copper ingots

This sucks

Ig i will go on a hunt for drives

[boreal musk]

my only gripe with pure copper is each cycle is very slow per machine, even with 250% clocked it only takes 37.5/min

[viral tendon]

Just use more machines

Not like you're limited by space

[boreal musk]

its not about space

[viral tendon]

When you'll need THAT much copper and other ingots you'll have synthenic power shards so power shards won't be a problem for you

[viral tendon]

About what then

[boreal musk]

.

[shy mulch]

focus on the output though, output is 93.75 ingots/m per refinery, compared to 75 ingots/m per smelter with normal recipe

[viral tendon]

Then it's literally about space

Just place more machines

It's that easy

[shy mulch]

foundries are a bit bigger than smelters, but you need less of them, so space is probably about the same, but you will use a lot less copper overall

[boreal musk]

literally what i meant is it takes so little input that i need hundreds of refineries for it

space is not a problem, lmao

[viral tendon]

If you have problem with amount of machines then you have a problem with space

Or power probably

[boreal musk]

what are you even talking about, i just said i dont have any problem with space at all

[viral tendon]

You said you have a gripe about amount of output

[boreal musk]

power isnt my concern, i build large enough to withstand 200 fully overclocked PA

[fathom shuttle]

With blueprint auto connect you can spam connect and ready to go refineries in like half an hour for 12k ingots

[shy mulch]

to make 3600 copper ingots for 600 powder (for 3 pasta)
normal recipe needs 3600 copper ore and 48 smelters
pure alt needs 1440 copper ore, 960 water, and 39 foundries

[fathom shuttle]

But the outputs and inputs are a pain to deal with since it’s an odd number

[boreal musk]

i never said output? i said it takes so little input (37.5/min only with 250% clocked)

[shy mulch]

the foundries are a little bit of more effort to deal with, but you can blueprint them so it's not that bad really

[fathom shuttle]

I was wrong it’s only a problem with mk5 belts

[boreal musk]

odd number also isnt a problem for me, i worked with so many decimals

[viral tendon]

What are foundries finding tho

[fathom shuttle]

Yeah true, it’s just annoying

[fathom shuttle]

Foundries don’t take more effort tho

Fully overclocked foundries can easily handle a full pure node of copper

[shy mulch]

2 inputs is more effort than 1 input

[fathom shuttle]

24 of them is just 3 blueprints, line them up right and you’re done

[fathom shuttle]

Pure is also 2 inputs

[vapid zephyr]

You need refinery, not foundry

[fathom shuttle]

I’m talking about the copper alloy recipe

[shy mulch]

I was comparing pure alt to normal

[shy mulch]

ah my brain had a typo, refinery is what I meant 🙂

[vapid zephyr]

Oh we swapping recipes

[viral tendon]

Satisfactory devs please hear us we need mk 7 belts that do 2400/m

WE, yes, WE need them

So we can connect 2 pure miners or 4 normal miners

[vapid zephyr]

Oh that would be great

[shy mulch]

I'm not convinced that's necessary

[vapid zephyr]

Large factories would have so much less spaghetti

[fathom shuttle]

They should make mk7 1600

[viral tendon]

How is it useful

[vapid zephyr]

That feels like an odd number to choose

[viral tendon]

2400 is really useful for 2 pure miners connected

[viral tendon]

Exactly

And i think we low key need 300% overclock

Idk if that's a good idea but i think we do

[vapid zephyr]

That would only be possible if we get higher level belts

[viral tendon]

Yep

We def need 2400

So we can merge everything

[shy mulch]

trying to make the game too easy 😛

[tall lantern]

why stop at 2400

[vapid zephyr]

Though we would also then need an expansion on the tiers. Would probably need to be an expansion/dlc then.

[viral tendon]

If you make to the point when you could afford mk 7 belts then it's not easy lmfao

[boreal musk]

the only reason devs added mk6 is to allow full extraction of mk3 miner on pure node

[shy mulch]

one of the main challenges is to handle large logistics, if you can just do everything on one belt where's the challenge

[tranquil hemlock]

I just really need to unlock Mk.5 belts XD I finally finished setting up my central storage hub, and I'm definitely noticing the struggle with the sushi feeder belt being only Mk.4 🥲

[viral tendon]

I'm saying like large factories would need those to merge like 2400 of ore

[silk ocean]

Is there a way to have a warning if a storage container goes below a certain threshold? I guess it would be a mod... Would be useful e.g. for nuclear fuel rods

[viral tendon]

Or 2400 plates, screws

Would be perfect for screws

[shy mulch]

or, embrace the challenge of using what's available to solve the problem

[viral tendon]

Js saying what would be useful

[vapid zephyr]

Mk.6 sushi belt is amazing. Use that in my main base for part storage. Mk.5 can also do it but that depends on how much you produce of everything.

[shy mulch]

sushi bad

[vapid zephyr]

That would be a mod

[viral tendon]

Mk 6 belts are already late game mk 7 would be for people who want to play it after completing project assembly

[fathom shuttle]

What do people do after completing project assembly, excluding stuff like building very big factories

[tranquil hemlock]

The joys of early-game XD Belts are so slow

[shy mulch]

I've already got stuff running that uses arrays of mk6 belts, managing all that logistics is what keeps it engaging for me, if I could do it all on 1 belt it would be boring and I probably wouldn't bother

[vapid zephyr]

I have more joy in seeing my end goal reached then having to spend double the time working with getting materials from one place to another, be it ore to factory or from machine group to machine group.

[shy mulch]

my north power production factory, one of the inputs is 4800 coal per min, that's bad enough on it's own haha

along with sulphur, nitrogen, oil, quartz, I forget what else

trying to make all those inputs fit nicely is a bit part of the charm of the game

[steel atlas]

in the screenshots, which one seems a better option?

I guess getting rid of copper would be fine but can't be sure

[viral tendon]

What do people eat? Except food

Type question

Maybe trying to get everything in mam and collect every sphere or somersloop

That's basiclly it excluding big factories

[vapid zephyr]

Iron Wire is my choice there. Screws is something i personally avoid as much as possible.

[steel atlas]

I also like the idea of iron wire instead of copper.

[toxic grotto]

Hello from Germany

[vapid zephyr]

hi

[toxic grotto]

What's up

[silk ocean]

It's a nice attention to detail where if some materials are in inventory and some in the dimensional depot the bar is split orange/purple accordingly

[vapid zephyr]

Iron Wire with Stitched Iron Plates is also cheaper to make.

[steel atlas]

does pure caterium exist?

[vapid zephyr]

Yes

[steel atlas]

ty

[toxic grotto]

One question can we make a DC server extra for PlayStation and Xbox

[silk ocean]

Which will probably need at least 2 x MK.5 belts to handle all the quickwire produced XD

[toxic grotto]

Players

[mortal ginkgo]

dividing playerbase serves no purpose

[tranquil hemlock]

I suppose I should get around to finally doing my computer factory. I've been procrastinating it for days. But I'm noticing vehicle problems at the oil nodes, so need to expand my rails, which in turn needs the computer factory at least planned out so I know what space can be for train stations

[silk ocean]

I swear I was the same and eventually did computers, which took a day or more to scale up all the required products xD

Build railways and logistics, etc

[vapid zephyr]

Just run a belts and don't worry about space

[tranquil hemlock]

"Don't tempt me, Frodo!"

Jokes aside, I need to learn to effectively use trains and stuff. I tend to start new games more than usual, but I have to learn a new step each time 😅 Otherwise I feel like it's a waste of time

[silk ocean]

Trains are great once you get the hang of signalling

[tranquil hemlock]

I imagine so XD My challenge is bringing the rail system over, around, and through what I call the "Cliffs of Assholes." So named because they were placed there for the soul purpose of making things difficult XD

[silk ocean]

lol

There is usually a pathway through most terrain

Do you find that mergers seem to restrict the flow, I have two feeds running into a merger but it's only putting 510/min out

The two input feeds are Mk.5 and keep pausing flow

[frozen cloud]

nvm reading is hard lul

[silk ocean]

Ah yes, my bad!! There was a sneaky Mk.4 hidden inside the splitter, that old trick

Not sure why it was reading 510 for a while but it settled at 460

[viral tendon]

Full red conveyor lift mk 6 looks so cool, the light makes it look like there's lava inside it

Also when lava in satsifactory

[silk ocean]

World Expansion DLC? xD

[viral tendon]

You won't believe it but i thought about world expansion but as an update

Like right now not before

It would be a good idea

[silk ocean]

a 2nd island perhaps xD

[viral tendon]

Maybe dlc for people who bought game after early access ended and free for those, who bought during early access

[viral tendon]

Well they explained out of bounds by property not owned by ficsit

Maybe because we completed project assembly ficsit will expand the world for us to make new project

And make universe even better

[silk ocean]

Considering what an amazing game Satisfactory is, the price on steam is very reasonable I thought (I did buy it a long time ago around Update 5/6 era)

Could do that yea xD

[viral tendon]

I hope they won't make dlc

Dlcs suck, atleast give it for free like golden helmet for early access

[silk ocean]

I wouldn't complain if a world expansion was DLC to be honest, given the time I have had out of the game and the reasonable pricing

[foggy heart]

how many rotors should I be making for storage?

[silk ocean]

All of them 😉

[viral tendon]

I think 5 per minute will be enough for basic needs, not for production of something

DId you know that pace elevator has production rate of 60 per minute

[silk ocean]

Space ele produces stuff? 😮

[viral tendon]

No like you can produce 60 elevators per minute

[silk ocean]

Ah right

So Diamonds are basically no use in their form, may as well just convert them all to Time Crystals, seeing as that is their only use xD

[viral tendon]

Literally their only use

[silk ocean]

Yea

[real wolf]

Joins youtubers satisfactory smp.
absolute chaos

[viral tendon]

Make sure to have a lot of time crystals of your conveyor belts

[silk ocean]

Mk.6's ?

Yet to unlock

[viral tendon]

Does he know??

HE DOESN'T KNOW!?!!!!!!!

[silk ocean]

I didn't even know there are Mk.6's yep lol

[real wolf]

How do i get 15 idiots to not make spagetti

[silk ocean]

Don't give them any pasta 😉

[real wolf]

They make the most chaos i have ever seen. We are at phase 4 but still no computers automated

[viral tendon]

Is nuclear pasta spaghetti ?

[real wolf]

Trains are a chaos aswell

[viral tendon]

I fucking can't look at my pfp

[silk ocean]

This is a livestream of 15 people building?

[real wolf]

No. It's a member server. The content creator gets members on either twitch or YouTube and you can join. Nobody is working together and does their own thing without talking together

[modest nest]

good lord

that sounds pain

[silk ocean]

That sounds like a nightmare xD

[modest nest]

I have enough trouble not making spaghetti as just one person

[viral tendon]

Server full of italians 🤦🏻‍♂️

Can't stop making pasta

[real wolf]

I needed crystal oscillators and was wondering why we had none in our depot. Turns out they have made none

#screenshots message this is the only good looking build of the server

[hasty cradle]

Dark matter crystals are a thing

[viral tendon]

Instant scrap looks ass

[real wolf]

And i work like a dog, day and night and every time I log on more chaos has been made

[silk ocean]

That looks nice yeah

[silk ocean]

Ah! Okay, yet to get that far, I'll keep some diamonds in storage then

[hasty cradle]

Dont keep em in storage

Automate it

You need alot

[real wolf]

Tyy took 4 hours and im not even half way done

[silk ocean]

Oh yeah I will automate when I unlock them I guess

[hasty cradle]

Its the only thing i found (so far) that gets rid of dark matter residu

[silk ocean]

I can basically build a box building, that is as far as my skill goes, yours looks very nice

[hasty cradle]

And basically everything makes it as a byproduct

[boreal musk]

dark matter crystals needs time crystals, not diamonds

diamond only use is to make time crystal

[hasty cradle]

Thats the alternate

[boreal musk]

check again

[real wolf]

Thank you so much, they said it looked ugly cause it "didn't fit the build style of the server"

[hasty cradle]

I checked

[silk ocean]

I have 2 particle accelerators atm, 600/min coal into each one, they are making 60/min of Diamonds, into 5 Converters, producing 30/min of Time Crystals.. so far

[hasty cradle]

There is a base recipe and two alternates

[silk ocean]

It doesn't fit with the spaghetti of thee rest of the factory xD

[viral tendon]

Don't do diamonds until you get alt recipe with quartz

[hasty cradle]

One is diamonds+ residu
One is residu
And the other is time crystal+residu

[viral tendon]

Just don't

[silk ocean]

Oh lol... bit late now xD

[real wolf]

Spent 15 hours clearing the spawn and cleaning up z fighting and signals

[viral tendon]

So there's space elevator, there are some things flying around, tf are those

[silk ocean]

Yikes xD

[viral tendon]

Also how big is space elevator

When the hub pod goes there it looks like space elevator is big but no far from us

[hasty cradle]

So its not the only use

[steel atlas]

Anyones using industrial storage plus mod ?

[viral tendon]

That's just a great question

I might answer it when my dog will eat

[silk ocean]

Lizzard Doggo? xD

[viral tendon]

No my real dog

[dense violet]

nope, why do you ask?

[steel atlas]

I tried them. They are the same inventory capacity with regular storage but 2x smaller BUT convetor lift doesnt fit on them

I was wondering if there is a way.

[silk ocean]

Seeing as the game is not exactly space constrained, is a smaller storage really worth it? xD

[viral tendon]

For blueprints prob

[steel atlas]

I mean, if they work the same, why not save some space?

[last jackal]

Nah I like my towers.

[viral tendon]

You've got a whole ass world for space

[shy mulch]

save space for what?

[silk ocean]

Not saying it's a bad thing, but not worth it if they don't connect to things properly xD

[shy mulch]

like breathing slower to save air

[steel atlas]

I am a newbie so trying to fit everything in a small area since I am still working on the first factory. I'll probably learn to use the space I have more efficient as I go.

[shy mulch]

space is not a constraint in this game

spread out, use the space

[foggy heart]

I cant have a tractoru just pick up a specific item from the truck stop right? Theyll always collect everything?

[steel atlas]

I'll probably learn to use the space I have more efficient as I go.

[viral tendon]

600/m copper powder production is doneee

[leaden turret]

build up

[silk ocean]

Yeah the world is huge and you can build massively upwards... It's basically unlimited space effectively

[viral tendon]

Welp not unlimited

Very big but there's an end

[silk ocean]

Not literally unlimited, but effectively

[shy mulch]

might as well be

[viral tendon]

It's not unlimited tho

There will be an end, or if there's not the game will probably crash at some point

[shy mulch]

neither is air in real life, but nobody ever concerns themselves with that, it's a wild enough size that it's effectively unlimited

[silk ocean]

It's like Factorio, Minecraft, etc. They are not physically unlimited but may as well be, they are so vast you'll barely ever scratch the surface

[viral tendon]

Air is pretty limited

[shy mulch]

I've never gone outside and worried about running out

[viral tendon]

True

3 nuclear psats production per minute

What a brain fuck

[hasty cradle]

How much copper is that?

[viral tendon]

about 3600/m

[hasty cradle]

Thats alot

[silk ocean]

Copper Powder I need to scale up, the numbers are crazy

[viral tendon]

Yeah it is

3 pure nodes fully overclocked

The only thing that consumes more of the same resource is probably basic diamond recipe

[hasty cradle]

+alot of water and refineries

[viral tendon]

Didn't use a single m^3 of water

I don't have alt recipes for copper

[silk ocean]

Think I drank too much coffee this morning xD

[hasty cradle]

Why would you do that without the pure recipe for copper

[ivory condor]

It's like, in terms of size, not really, but those worlds are also procedurally generated, so not exactly fair, btw quick google search says factorio is 2,000 x 2,000 kilometers vs satisfactory 7.972 kilometers by 6.8 kilometers...so yeah not even close in terms of overall save

[viral tendon]

Well time to make singularity cell production let's gooo

[sage lark]

Satisfactory expansion when?

[hasty cradle]

Gl ig

Is it a hard recipe?

[viral tendon]

Even more brainfuck!!! YAAAAY!!!

I fricking love it

[ivory condor]

Now that i think about it, that explains why i never found the border for factorio, because its so large it would take forever to reach it

[hasty cradle]

Im not making them yet but i need them for the last elevator part

[viral tendon]

Eh, not really that hard. the hardest part is pasta

[hasty cradle]

Everything else is automated rn

[silk ocean]

Yeah not a fair comparison in that regard. Machines in Satisfactory are a lot larger in size compared to Factorio I think

In terms of metres dimensions... I should check if that is correct tho XD

[viral tendon]

300 iron plates and 600 conrectes per minute, i will get new nodes for those ig

[silk ocean]

Either way neither of these games has any space constraints

[ivory condor]

Factorio has alot of tiles, google says its a total of 4 trillion tiles, so alot👀

[silk ocean]

xD

That's one hella big factory XD

[ivory condor]

Google also says "While technically finite, the map is so vast that it's practically impossible to reach the edge during normal gameplay" for factorio XD

going by these numbers that sounds about right XD

[wicked marlin]

Try tractors

[hard ivy]

Their head is gonna explode from trucks if trains give them a headache already

[ivory condor]

I doubt any cpu could handle a mega factory that large.....

[silk ocean]

Yeah Factorio is insanely well optimized but even a factory that size wouldn't be possible on current hardware I strongly suspect

[ivory condor]

Yeah alot of problems when you consider trying to make a mega factory 2000 x 2000 kilometers in size XD

[silk ocean]

Yep, problems such as not getting old and dying before the build is completed 😉

[ivory condor]

that would needless to say be fair larger than anything you could even make in satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Satisfactory allows you to make a giant Borg Cube style factory tho xD

[ivory condor]

well thankfully things like bot speeds can be infinitely researched, that should help with building, but the simulation i imagine would have a hard time running once you got above a certain size

[fathom shuttle]

Satisfactory factories are pretty small all in all with overclocking and stacking

Factories take up 5x less space this way

[silk ocean]

Yep eventually your CPU will max out and FPS/UPS will start to decrease, until eventually it would probably be unplayable or run out of memory XD

Overclocking is a great feature yah

[ivory condor]

Yep including all of your paging file to XD

[silk ocean]

Yea lol

[leaden turret]

underclocking is better

[spark ruin]

if you need to swap in to ther then theres no hope lol

[spark ruin]

❌

[ivory condor]

Also only thinking about one planet, you have multiple planets, so the problem is even more o_O

oh and all of the space platforms to you might build on each planet....

[silk ocean]

Certainly in terms of efficiency of power consumption yea

[spark ruin]

OC Master race

[ivory condor]

and the ships dont forget about all of the ships you would need to....

[leaden turret]

also efficiency in terms of math as well.

[ripe elm]

im wanting to build like a factory for every item in the game that you need to craft but im afraid i will run out of resource nodes for nucelar power

[spark ruin]

wot

[leaden turret]

underclocking inputs instead of overclocking outputs

[silk ocean]

Yea true

[hard ivy]

Unless you build a lot of extra machines, the difference is absolutely minimal

[ripe elm]

or is it very hard to run out of nodes

[silk ocean]

Yea, perhaps more noticeable with the high demand machines, Particle Accelerators, etc

[drifting fern]

can you make fluid overflow

my aluminum is acting up

[silk ocean]

Yea in the sense that any extra that isn't required can flow out the other end

[leaden turret]

• complicated plumbing
• package all the things

[viral tendon]

Can you beat the game without overclocking or underclocking? Or like without mam research at all

[drifting fern]

probably?

[silk ocean]

I'd say easily without any clocking yeah

[leaden turret]

send excess water to coal generators, problem solved

[viral tendon]

Like will basic miners speed be enough

[drifting fern]

but how do i make it the excess

[leaden turret]

separate plumbing

[silk ocean]

or just underclock your water extractors to match the demand

[drifting fern]

and why do i even have excess in the first place, i calculated my aluminum using the sloppy alumina and the aluminum scrap so its 600water for the stuff and i have 4 water extractors at 100%

[drifting fern]

ive done this

[leaden turret]

are you plumbing your water output from the bauxite process back into the water input ?

[drifting fern]

600 on each side*

[hard ivy]

90% clock speed 100% uptime saves you 3.3% of power vs 100% clock speed 90% uptime. I wouldn't even bother typing in 90% into the box for 3% savings

[drifting fern]

ye

[leaden turret]

don't 😛

[drifting fern]

maybe this is the problem?

[silk ocean]

Sum up the output water from the Alumina process, and then underclock your water extractors so they produce the right amount to add up to 600

[drifting fern]

yea ok

[viral tendon]

Ficsit says ficsit doesn't waste but doesn't allow nuclear waste into awesome sink, they're liars

[drifting fern]

i thought i could be smart and not have to

but alr

[drifting fern]

thanks

[leaden turret]

it is technically possible, but that requires math and potentially complex plumbing.

much easier to just use the water in some other process so you don't have to do the math and get pipes clogged

[drifting fern]

but i have calculated the math easy using the alternate recipies, lemme show picture soon

[ripe elm]

im wanting to build like a factory for every item in the game that you need to craft but im afraid i will run out of resource nodes for nucelar power

[leaden turret]

please don't link to the ad-laden trashfire, plumbing manual links are pinned in #math-and-meta

[dense violet]

I'd prob ask in the modding discord, don't know it well enough sorry

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[silk ocean]

It's a PDF?

My bad

[leaden turret]

it's still encouraging proliferation of fandom's resources, even though it's the static file

[silk ocean]

I shall remove it, fair point

[dense violet]

it's not just the math, as pointed out. It's the 'complicated plumbing'

[leaden turret]

nee probs

[drifting fern]

this is how ive done it

oh wait i cant send picture

[dense violet]

I've pinged you in another channel

[viral tendon]

Genuinely hate how even with 200% overclock it's only 30 concrete

[drifting fern]

ye i saw

[viral tendon]

So i just did a bit of math

I need 1800 of limestone per minute

Yikes

[drifting fern]

rn i got 6 sloppy alumina that needs 1200 water, i make 720 water from aluminum scrap back into it, then i only need 480 water from the lake, just 4 extractors, i thought this would work but thanks for the help ill try it out

[dense violet]

are you merging multiple nodes in the same process?

[drifting fern]

yea

[dense violet]

yeah I highly recommend you process the nodes individually

[drifting fern]

alright

i literally just completed phase 4 an hour ago lol

[dense violet]

keeping fluid systems as simple and segregated from each other will save you a lot of grief

[drifting fern]

so i only have the aluminum belts

[drifting fern]

will take this in mind, thanks

[vapid zephyr]

Pull in Limestone to make Wet Concrete, then you have no problems with water as byproduct. Also you can use the concrete in other recipe's if you are building for lets say Heavy Modular Frame with Encased Industrial Beams.

[shy mulch]

if you spin a pipe junction so it has 2 horizontal connections and 1 on top and 1 on bottom, it behaves like a priority merger. put the feedback water in a horizontal connection, the output on the other horizontal connection, and point the water direct from the extractor into the top connection. it will use the horizontal flow first. I used this system for sulfuric acid in my nuclear setup and it worked perfectly

[dense violet]

while you can use teh waste water in another production, the bauxite is generally not close to limestone and other resources to do with this.

and honestly it's very simple to just clock your machines right, and if you so choose to have another production line that uses water, make it's own system

[drifting fern]

yeah im trying to reroute the excess water now

[dense violet]

The 'priority merger' option is one of those less reliable methods - the junction works off black magic and can just simply not work if built even seemingly correct

yeah no stress, just breaking down the options 🙂

[drifting fern]

atleast they need exactly 600 water each

[dense violet]

the VIP (priority junction) option is probably the most reliable of the direct feed options mind you

[ripe elm]

im wanting to build like a factory for every item in the game that you need to craft but im afraid i will run out of resource nodes for nucelar power

[dense violet]

that's incredibly unlikely

[vapid zephyr]

How? I know Uranium is one of the lesser amounts on the map but should still be more then enough to produce at least one of each item.

How much do you want to make a min then?

[drifting fern]

Is using coal power the easiest way to getr rid of the excess?

[ripe elm]

i mean liek use a whole node to its max for one item

[dense violet]

anything that's nearby really. but I find it's much messier than splitting waste/fresh

you don't really need coal power at that point and doing basic clocking is dead simple

[drifting fern]

ъе

[dense violet]

still very unlikely. Uranium isn't really used for anything else and there's tons of resources on the map

[drifting fern]

ye

[vapid zephyr]

I find it much easier to put it into wet concrete then to fine tune the water input/output. Though i would just try it out and see what works for you.

[ripe elm]

also stuff like bauxite?

[dense violet]

there's so much bauxite on the map

[drifting fern]

do valves matter, cause ive used them alot but do they make a difference?

[vapid zephyr]

A whole node per item should still have enough Uranium. It's purely for fuel and only one item that is worth to store.

[dense violet]

they'll generally do nothing, or mess up flow

for hte most part

[drifting fern]

ah

[red sun]

pretty sure anywhere you might use a valve you're probably better off using a pump

[drifting fern]

i used alot

[dense violet]

often

[silk ocean]

Do you ever get that sinking feeling where you have belted in all the resources required, only to realise that one of them is the wrong material XD

[ripe elm]

cause idk how to plan a factory that max all ther items i need to craft

[dense violet]

and if you keep your pipes flooded they'll probably do nothing. But I'd just avoid them

[red sun]

i've managed fine without valves up until now

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production use a planner

[red sun]

i think i placed one down to see what it looked like and just never really found a use for them

[dense violet]

I use them aesthetically and clip pipes through them, so no connections

cause they do look cool

[ripe elm]

i do use it but once you make the factory its like hard to expand and other items need to go to the other again

[hard ivy]

There is exactly one use for them, and it's the head lift exploit

[dense violet]

add in final outputs for everything you want to make. It'll do it

[ripe elm]

what do you mean sorry dont understand it fully

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[vapid zephyr]

Do one item at a time.

[ripe elm]

yeah i do that alot of times but i get like items i need for example 349.765 iron

[drifting fern]

how much water does a coal powerplant use again?

[silk ocean]

50 ?

45 in fact

[dense violet]

if you're building everything in one spot your iron will be in the thousands, you'll be fine

[ripe elm]

how do you mean exactly

[shy mulch]

Figuring that out is called logistics and is pretty much most of the point of the game. If you don't want to figure it out, just put some cheats on and have unlimited everything

[cyan imp]

This is most likely going to be a hot take but, anyone else feel like oil power, turbo fuel/rocket fuel is ridiculously overpowered?

I just made a super cool nuclear plant for the first time

But I understand if I did rocket fuel, I could like, 8x my amount of power

[ripe elm]

i know and i find it fun but hard cause im not that good at it yet

[steel atlas]

I am a newbie and I watch this guy to learn EP1-2-3 etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJ0fLpcEsc

[dense violet]

each nuclear gen is worth 10x a fuel gen, and full uranium rods, w/o plutonium, gets you like 600gw without massive fields of nonsense

rocket fuel as power is just silly and boring

[cyan imp]

I hard agree on the silly and boring part

Nuclear is alot cooler but seems weaker in comparison

[dense violet]

far more compact and huge power. Not sure what is 'weaker'

you'd need literallly 1000 fuel gens all overclocked to do that

[cyan imp]

is that true? It's my first time doing nuclear instead of rocket fuel

I got 6 nuclear reactors using the uranium fuel unit alt

Is it easy to get more fuel rods?

[dense violet]

very. Even with the very simple base recipes, you can get like 300gw

with the alt recipes that extends uranium ore? 600gw

50.4 uranium rods w/o any alien SAM or duping mechanics.

[winged berry]

What if the blender was designed using blender? Would that be a blender blender render?

[cyan imp]

Oh wow, that's exciting
Mind giving me tips on what to do with the waste? My original plan was to process to plutonium and burn it, then do fisconium

But as far as I can tell... fisconium sucks hard

[dense violet]

so you can just quickly build a 10,000 hr uranium waste storage with blueprints in tahe corner of the map if you want

but if you don't like that, the base recipes of plutonium isn't bad, and you can use the plut rods in drones or something

[cyan imp]

Is plutonium waste easier to store?

[dense violet]

ficsonium, imo, was made because some people couldn't stop themselves from burning plutonium rods and then cried about teh waste

[dense violet]

well easier as in you'll make less pm ? yes

but you almost certainly won't need the power from it. And may be easier making more Urods if you do need more power

but 1 plutnonium rod will last like 7hrs in a truck. Ages in a drone

[dense violet]

someting else a lot of people don't seem to consider with uranium rods - you can easily make them very far away from the power station and drone them in. Make them where all the resources they need are nearby

[cyan imp]

That's awesome, that is exactly what I'm doing currently, I send my uranium rods to the swamp via drone

[ripe elm]

do you liek make all the items you need to craft in 1 factory or mutiple

[dense violet]

the swamp basically has all resources needed for everything in the game very locally. It might not have enough for 50.4 uranium rods pm on it's own mind you

you could, if you wanted to, build everything form tier 1 - 9 in the east swamp

iirc

[shy mulch]

the game is large and complicated, if you're not good at it, then trying to do all of it at once will obviously overwhelm you, start smaller, aim lower, and just focus on making the lower tier stuff nice and efficient and good looking, then scale up when you feel you are ready

[silk ocean]

Well that was nice, this hard drive needed a Computer which 20 of them were lying next to it on the ground xD

[shy mulch]

handy!

[silk ocean]

Although I took them from the Dimensional Depot before I realised that 😉

[viral tendon]

Can we all agree dimensional depot is game changer and so peak

Like you don't have to worry about reousrces at all

I like how they balanced it so you can't get consumables from it

[shy mulch]

DD is such a game changer for sure

[viral tendon]

It really shines at late mid game

Because before that you don't need that much resources

[shy mulch]

it shines at every point of the game 🙂

[viral tendon]

I found the best use for in phase 4

I needed A LOT of resources quickly

I love DD

[placid stirrup]

You love drunk driving?

[azure urchin]

Dungeons and Dragons ?

[shy mulch]

Donkey Donks

[viral tendon]

Who doesn't

You can drink 6 pawtucker beers until you can't drive

30 singulairty cells per minute production is done less goooo

[shy mulch]

you doing them for BWD or ficsonium?

[gentle plover]

Why are the spiders so terrifying btw

[shy mulch]

I'm almost finished with my superposition oscillator factory, will be outputting 45 per min when it's done, what a hassle these things are haha

[shy mulch]

they are fast

[gentle plover]

They jumpscared me at 3 am several times who made them

[viral tendon]

Idk i did them jsut because i thought i would need em

Firstly for portals, then i will do it for completing phase 5

[shy mulch]

oh yeah I forgot about portals

[viral tendon]

Protals would be fun

Also can i telerpot from satelite portal to main one?

[shy mulch]

For my portals I manually fed a manufacturer and made a storage full of singularity cells because I couldn't be bothered to set it up properly. It's on the to-do list but I want to finish my power setup first

[shy mulch]

yes

[viral tendon]

Nice

My best decision was to make power shrads production

Time to make 200 ballistic warp drives

Everything is automated for warp drives except dark matter crystal

Like fuck them they're too hard to make

[vast raptor]

why cant i read ada in multiplayer when i or my friend says a single word she mutes and doesn't have voicelines anymore

i disabled the stuff in settings but it didn't help

[fallen moss]

Chat, me and friend have decided to set up a sort of centralized production facility! Pump in basic resources and produce everyyin one spot, any tips?

[slow kindle]

basic resources such as?

[fallen moss]

Constructor level things, like screws, iron plates, cables, etc

[frail sleet]

screws should always be made in front of the assembler/manufacturer using them, very inefficient and complex to make big belts of them.

[slow kindle]

oh, just build everything on an huge platform, make sure everything has its own row and make sure to keep it organized, most important tip is power: don't do a really messy power setup because then if you have power problems its actually insane to fix

[fallen moss]

Oh otay

[edgy bolt]

I used smart splitter and ran overflow to a storage facility. Everything up to heavy mod frames so far

[fallen moss]

Yeah we're gonna have a huge storage facility and use trains :D

[slow kindle]

does anyone know why water won't enter my power generator? (i have a spiltter spilt into 3 different power gens, only 1 of them doesn't get water, the rest do.)

[frail sleet]

Best transport at ingots this way because you need 1/4 as many belts, and that means that you're much less likely to overflow belt capacity. It also avoids very slow manifold warmup etc when distributing screws

rods and plates are denser than ingots, and fine to transport

[fallen moss]

Oh otay, dat makes sense

[lean ferry]

Tell me how ficsonium works like does ficsit just pull up in a freighter and drop a ficsonium node

[slow kindle]

I'll provide pictures if needed btw

[lean ferry]

I mean I’m not wrong am I “here you go ficsit pioneer you work hard you maxed out the world now we give you more stuff to work on”

[fallen moss]

Ty for the tips frens

[frail sleet]

yeah, is needed

[lean ferry]

None at all? Or like a tiny tiny bit

[slow kindle]

1/50

[slow kindle]

give me a m

@frail sleet #screenshots

[frail sleet]

cant see the rest of the pipe there

but it's likely just headlift

[slow kindle]

What does that mean?

[dense violet]

post images from overhead in #math-and-meta , you can actually post images there and talk about it

what you've posted in screen shots isn't enough to know anything

[slow kindle]

oh thank you.
@frail sleet I posted new screenshots

[dense violet]

yeah build a scout tower to show the actual layout. hard to see from the ground

[lost wagon]

Maybe the last one is slightly above the headlift

[frail sleet]

liquids don't flow uphill without headlift/pumps

there's a 10m headlift coming out of machine outputs like extractors, if you go up more than you need pumps

It looks like you're also transporting the water a really long way which is inadvisable, especially if you don't know the pipe systems well

[slow kindle]

yeah I don't know it well at all, ill build a new pump.
also will get the scout tower pics

[slow kindle]

#math-and-meta

[frail sleet]

I would advise building right next to / on top of water, not elevating pipes, keeping them as simple as possible (few junctions, especially those which split the flow unevenly) and not going near flow rate limits.

E.g. https://i.imgur.com/QhoE5aF.png (this requires underclocking to 88.88% to sustainably run 3 generators, otherwise it can handle only 2)

[viral tendon]

What's the limit for warp drives in dd

[slow kindle]

but then i have to do an insanely long power line

[frail sleet]

A long power line is a thousand times easier than long pipes, especially for a beginner

[slow kindle]

renovating the whole base it is!

[frail sleet]

There's a perfect spot || northwest of you with a large lake and 3-4x coal nodes ||

[slow kindle]

How do you know that?

[foggy heart]

decent amount of steel beams and pipes to make for storage? 20 pipes & 30 beams? what about eibs?

[frail sleet]

The map is pre-generated

[slow kindle]

I see. Which directions are north west? english is not main language

[foggy heart]

Im thinking of just building a huge foundry factory in dd, producing 1620 steel ingots/min instead of just building foundries as needed. Thoughts?

[frail sleet]

it is annoying to take stacks of ingots out of the DD to feed them to machines making stuff that you need 24/7

[frail sleet]

dm'd you

[dense violet]

do you need 1600 ingots pm in the DD?

[foggy heart]

DD being dune desert, not dimensional depot

[frail sleet]

ah lmao

you can do that i guess

[foggy heart]

idk yet

[dense violet]

then why make it? Make things as you need

[frail sleet]

I did the classic "saving it for later until the game is over" and just never touched DD or blue crater

[slow kindle]

thanks

[south sinew]

you almost never need actual ingots in the DD

[foggy heart]

dune desert or dimensional depot?

my entire base is in dune desert so was just thinking of mass producing steel ingots and then plugging in factories as needed without having to worry about setting up foundries on site

[south sinew]

oh sorry, I read what Cobalt said and assumed depot

as for the dune desert, I'd still say 1600 ingots/min is way more than you need, I rarely used more than 5-700 steel ingots and I generally use more

[dense violet]

I'm not sure why anyone would say you don't need ingots in the dune desert, if you're building factories in the DD you'll need ingots almost certainly

[foggy heart]

yeah nah, im not such a mad man to upload ingots to the depot xD unless im going for a hand crafting only playthrough

[foggy heart]

fair enough, just trying to use the remaining coal nodes here for something. ig i could overproduce steel and use some of the steel alts

[south sinew]

Aluminium later on and coal power as well

but if you happen to have a lot of steel you can use some of the steel alts as well yeah

[viral tendon]

Just as i thought thermal propulsion rocket production would be done modular engine showed up

[foggy heart]

so I have 1080 available coal, i can use it to make 25 hmfs, will use 1100 iron (no problem) but 1800 limestone (big problem) lol

[foggy heart]

got a coal power plant making 4800mw in dd already lol. Will I unlock mk 3 miners when I need to start worrying about aluminum?

[south sinew]

no, after

[viral tendon]

Much after

[foggy heart]

ah

damn

[south sinew]

you have to have basically finished all the new aluminium stuff in Tier 7 and Tier 8 to get mk3 miners

the best you can do until then is overclock your mk2 miners to max and use a mk5 belt

[viral tendon]

Aluminum is like used a lot in phase 4

[foggy heart]

okay sweet, idk the recipes for aluminum so will i be fine if i use half of my coal for steel then? 540?

should give me 810 ingots

[south sinew]

yeah, you generally don't need that much coal for aluminium, maybe like 300 or so depending on how much aluminium you want

but there's also a pet coke recipe which is preferable to the coal one

[viral tendon]

You can use coke as coal??

[south sinew]

I don't know how conveniently located oil is in DD though

[south sinew]

Not in general, but a lot of coal recipes have pet coke alternates

[foggy heart]

great, ty. I'm almost done with phase 3, just need an acu factory which is hurting my brain

[south sinew]

aluminium and steel ingot do

[viral tendon]

Ahh, i thought without alt ones

[south sinew]

I think electrode circuit board, electrode aluminium scrap, and possibly tempered copper ingot/tempered caterium depending on how you're feeling are quite viable uses

if you use electrode circuit board into caterium computer you can make your whole Computer from just oil and caterium

I'm developing a new respect for alts that avoid using copper

maybe even forgo Fused Wire entirely and just stick to Caterium Wire

[frail sleet]

iron wire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5oLYiB2Cg

[south sinew]

iron wire just kinda costs too much iron for too little wire overall IMO

[frail sleet]

It does cost a lot, but there is also a lot of iron which canels that out and makes it plentiful on the map scale. Just depends if you have it locally or not

[left mauve]

luv iron wire, simple as

copper is for pasta

[south sinew]

it depends exactly on where you are, but I generally have more Caterium going spare than I actually need

so cat wire is pretty appealing

dump copper into sheets, aluminium, and pasta

[foggy heart]

ig i could also not touch any coal nodes and use the iron pipe alt instead

[south sinew]

nah f that

[foggy heart]

i have about 3k untapped iron ore but i am gonna be running out of coal

[south sinew]

if you really have like 1k coal/min available you're hardly desperate to limit its uses, even with some reserved for aluminium, you could easily spend like 500 coal/min on steel

[foggy heart]

yeah okay

[south sinew]

oh, I guess you're spending a lot of it on coal power? if you're at 4.8GW

[foggy heart]

nah only half of the nodes are going to coal, the 1k that i mentioned would be if i upgraded all my current miners to mk2

[south sinew]

ah ok

that shouldn't be an issue to do if you're directing the coal into steel

[foggy heart]

yeah the coal in the south of dd are for power, north dd is for steel

[south sinew]

and you are using cast steel ingot right?

[foggy heart]

solid steel i believe

dont have cast steek unlocked

[south sinew]

oh I'm confusing myself, yeah, solid is the alt I meant

[foggy heart]

ah

[south sinew]

a couple hundred coal/minute now will get you 300 steel/minute which should be more than sufficient for progressing to mk2 miners

I usually use only a single mk3 belt of steel ingots

[foggy heart]

so i was curious, heres the maths:
For 10 HMF's per minute using heavy encased frame, steeled frame, adhered iron plate, steel cast plate, encased industrial pipe, and rubber concrete, i need 438 iron ore, 420 coal, and 266 limestone.
If I use iron pipe instead it removes the need for coal entirely, but i'll now need 1715 iron and 720 concrete

lol

[frail sleet]

Ye, it's just often easier to delete resources and there is so much iron on the map that even if you use iron wire and pipe for everything, you'll only use half of it

for my big project i have literally zero value on iron and limestone because there is always 20-30k iron and limestone left over while you're maxing on multiple other resources despite sloops

coal/coke aren't in super high demand either

[foggy heart]

ngl I'm actualy tempted to use the iron pipe recipe and save my coal for later. the layout looks so much simpler

[dense violet]

coal really isn't used for a ton of stuff other than steel

the diamond recipes later can use oil very well for it too instead of coal

[viral tendon]

So if the first miner i placed was mining non stop since i placed it it would have mineed 1 million iron ore, crazy

[lost wagon]

There is only one place in the map that has coal and sulfur close to eachother

And by close I mean not needing transportation or giant belt

[viral tendon]

Fully overclocked mk3 miner would probably do it in like 900 minutes

[foggy heart]

i could actually do both and make 20 hmfs/min

then if i need more resources I can actually adventure out of the dd and see what the rest of the map looks like

[viral tendon]

Nvm it's a bit more cuz i played 16 hours more then steam shows

[foggy heart]

but do i need 20 hmfs

[frail sleet]

https://imgur.com/a/uCLTpxO

[lost wagon]

The second one is the one I am talking about

[frail sleet]

there are 5 that i would say are close and maybe 3-4 more that are commonly used but a bit far

[viral tendon]

I just found roblox satisfactory rip off lmao

[shy mulch]

They are very close, but the rest are perfectly beltable

[south sinew]

the coal lake in the green fields has sulfur not too far away

I turned the whole thing into compacted coal on one playthrough

[viral tendon]

It has gold instead of caterium this game sucks

[heady night]

is it just me or ai is not allowed in #screenshots

#screenshots message

[viral tendon]

It's not

[lost wagon]

Yea but ADA is there

[edgy bolt]

I was thinking about converting that from coal power to compacted coal and sending it to my oil refinery.

[viral tendon]

Would compressor be good idea

Like compress 50 coal in 1 coal block

[south sinew]

better to just head to diluted fuel and forget about coal/compacted coal as a power source

[edgy bolt]

Isn't compacted coal needed for the turbo fuel?

[south sinew]

it is, but turbo fuel kinda sucks

when you include the energy of the CC, the power to run the refinery, and the Fuel input, the Turbofuel recipe is doesn't actually net you that much power

[edgy bolt]

I have never done it i usually just run regular fuel. But im quickly running out of power...

[south sinew]

heavy oil residue alt + diluted (/packaged) fuel

will make you all the fuel you could ever need

Turbofuel can offer at most about 50% more power, HOR + DF is ~500% more power plus you get resin for residual plastic/rubber

also don't forget to power shard your oil extractor

I mean, if you're very desperate right now and you have CC, you can use Turbofuel, but it's not really a great solution in the medium term

[edgy bolt]

Ill have to give that a try once my power starts getting near the top end.
Yeah I used all 4 nodes on the beach for power with shards in all of them

[south sinew]

I guess half the problem is that if you're still in Tier 5 you can't get the most out of Pure oil nodes since you hit the pipe limit

[twilit escarp]

Guys, i am back to satisfactory, and one thing that still bothers me, how you build arround the plants close to your construction area? do you just delete them or just build above them?

as plants i mean the ones that have fruits

[south sinew]

I delete them

nobelisks work good and you can chainsaw them too

[twilit escarp]

they are a resource that keeps respawning

so feels like a waste deleting them

[edgy bolt]

I actually have problems with one of the lines not staying consistent when all three are copy pasted. I tried trouble shooting for about an hour then said fuck it

[edgy bolt]

There are so many in the world it wont really matter. I just delete what is in my way

[twilit escarp]

but having one to the starting area feels confy

[south sinew]

also they are a super low value resource

[twilit escarp]

but at same time a bit annoying to build arround it