satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Basically if you run pipes up more than 10-20m "headlift", use a pump at the bottom to assist. You can plop a pump at the bottom and check it to see the headlift

[clever fossil]

somehow I dont remember what my problems were early on except for headlift

they just worked for me when i figured out how headlifts worked

[willow dawn]

I assume this was meant for Winterlmist

[rapid venture]

Seems likely

[clever fossil]

i think my solution was just making those fluids go through those pipes at fullest throughput possible

[silk ocean]

Oh sorry, that teaches me to jump between the game and Discord randomly xD

[willow dawn]

No worries 🙂

[rapid venture]

As I said, it's not headlift. That's been checked

[clever fossil]

yeah eyah

but i mean just producing a lot of volume

[willow dawn]

have you tried turning them all off and letting the pipes fully fill?

[clever fossil]

like 300 maxed to mk1 pipes and anything close to 600 as possible for mk2

[rapid venture]

Hm. I haven't. Give me a few

[willow dawn]

That fixed my sloshing issues

[lean ferry]

WAIT SYNTHETIC FABRIC

[clever fossil]

yes?

[rapid venture]

Yes, been through that

[clever fossil]

i wish i could see what your pipeline looks like ingame

[eager tartan]

Can I have more than 1 item go one direction from a smart splitter?

[lean ferry]

FINNALY AFTER SO FLIPPING LONG I FOUND SAM

[clever fossil]

is it possible to have a copy of your save file or something?

[lean ferry]

oh no its the jumpy cats

[twin remnant]

can anyone help me in #dedicated-servers

[clever fossil]

usually any undefined

[rapid venture]

Sure. Or you can join multiplayer. It's non-obvious to navigate

[eager tartan]

I want like 1/2 specifc items

rest go otherway

[clever fossil]

my game is on Steam, but i can sign in on Epic if you're on Epic

[fluid sapphire]

think you need a programmable splitter

[eager tartan]

Shiii

NOT another RESEARCH TREE!

[fluid sapphire]

or maybe you could chain smart splitters together

[rapid venture]

It's steam. Feel free to DM me

[fluid sapphire]

have each one pick up a specific item from the line

[fluid sapphire]

quick Q about chaining path signals: if i have two in a row, followed by a block - will the first path signal check if the block after the second path signal is open?

[hard ivy]

The train will only go past the first path if it's cleared to go past the block

Anywhere between a path and a block is a no-stop zone

[fluid sapphire]

so, yes

[twin remnant]

Where do you guys think the best starter base spot it

is*

[fathom shuttle]

Your mom

[peak wasp]

Jesus though needing so much stone wasn't something I was expecting

Alongside so... So much water

[south elm]

Depends on your definition of starter base, if it's to fully unlock first 6 tiers then literally anything close to basic resource nodes

[peak wasp]

Just to make 30 heavy frames a minute

[elder apex]

Massage-2(A-B)b is by far the best starter base spot in the vanilla game

[placid stirrup]

Username checks out

[junior laurel]

Can confirm.
We scouted the planet and this is the best ya got

[peak wasp]

600 water per minute is crazy

Maxes out my water

[fathom shuttle]

Blueprints dude

[peak wasp]

Okay and blueprints just make a factory...it doesn't make the requirements any less brutal

[wicked nacelle]

Water is not usually considered a “brutal” requirement.

[south elm]

Why do you need water for heavy frames I'm confused

Wet concrete?

[peak wasp]

Wet concrete yes

[elder apex]

wet concrete, pure ingots, all sorts of things

[placid stirrup]

Remember: it always only gets crazier

[fathom shuttle]

Wet concrete is the best recipe fr fr

[fallow hollow]

Thanks, what about coated concrete walls?

[peak wasp]

So I am curious... Would it be a dumb idea to get water from that oil patch near the northern forest

[south elm]

Didnt know pure ingots are worth the effort, I mean smelter is just so much smaller

[silk ocean]

What amazes me is how the default Concrete recipe doesn't need Water. Wet Concrete in the real world seems more closer to just Concrete xD

[peak wasp]

Not the desert side the other side from that

[wicked nacelle]

I have an auto connect blueprint for pulling 8 pipes at once that I use a lot. Makes pulling plenty of water quick though make sure you have lots of copper sheets

[junior laurel]

If given the choice between wet concrete and portable miners im still going with the miner.

[elder apex]

only way I know of to get coated concrete "walls" is to use coated concrete foundations and rotate them vertically

[south elm]

Yeah so wet concrete is closer to actual you now, block of concrete, if we are talking about bags of this stuff then wet concrete makes much less sense

[wicked nacelle]

Clearly water in this game isn’t regular water. I don’t recommend adding water to your cars gas tank to double your fuel for example

[south elm]

What? I've been putting coal and sulfur into my cars intake for days now and it has indeed been turbo

*for legal reasons that's a joke

[wicked nacelle]

Though nitrous oxide can turn your car into a rocket for a short period of time.

[mortal ginkgo]

What do you mean that I can't get double amount of fuel because I mix it with water? This game tells otherwise?!?!?!?

[placid stirrup]

At least time crystals are accurate

[south elm]

Diluted fuel or whatever is something I unlocked today spamming hard drives and the recepie is indeed crazy. I need to find some good alt recepie for plastic tho I have 10 refineries next to eachother and it's still far from enough

And I hate refiners cuz they are ridiculously tall

[wicked nacelle]

Recycled plastic and recycled rubber are the cure to what ails you. And heavy oil residue alt

[willow dawn]

OMG finally finished heavy modular frame factrory. I of course mistakenly though it was a quick and easy factory but noooo

[wicked nacelle]

You can stair step them if you’re building vertically. Don’t build over the smoke stack just over the main body

[wicked nacelle]

It is quite easy, just far from quick

[willow dawn]

The screws man... so many screws! I don't have the alt so had to do it all vanilla

[wicked nacelle]

Just build the screws as you need them in line with the things that eat them and it’s no big deal. Don’t try to make screws in one place and distribute them

[willow dawn]

And of course halfway into building I realized I needed twice as much space as I was planning to use

[willow dawn]

I didn't

[wicked nacelle]

There is also a custom recipe mod that lets you create your own recipes and I’ve heard of people keeping the same input requirements but putting the recipe on a packager instead. Since it’s the same inputs and outputs.

And isn’t nearly as tall

[willow dawn]

Ok there is something wrong with my iron line...

The miner keeps shutting down from being overfull

While my line is not fully used

[tidal epoch]

i bought fiscit factory cart but its not showing in purchases tab also the music kit

[burnt ferry]

is there really a 'world grid" or do some people just think there is because they are missing the fact that their 'world grid' is always centered around a certain building... and given the fact that buildngs without other buildings never snap vertically, i have trouble to believe that 😂

[placid stirrup]

Workshop

[hard ivy]

there is a world grid

like an actual global one

hold ctrl when placing a foundation on ground

[burnt ferry]

why dont buildings snap vertically then? when holding control

[tidal epoch]

i found the cart but no trace of music tape

[placid stirrup]

The tape is automatically downloaded to the boombox

[fair salmon]

just came on and my builder menu has no options

this happened to anyone?

[burnt ferry]

press t

[fair salmon]

q opens up my menu

[tidal epoch]

Thankss

[burnt ferry]

ah. that mneu.. sorry misunderstood.. no clue

[hard ivy]

the world grid only applies to foundations. it's aligned NSWE, and the points are spaced 8x8x1m iirc.

[burnt ferry]

lemme rephrase the question then: whats the point using it when it doesnt apply vertically? i mean yes the buildings might align horizontally but hows that relevant when they wont align vertically as well?

[willow dawn]

Ramps?

[hard ivy]

there is a vertical grid. every 1m.

[burnt ferry]

what ramps? the point is you hold ontrol, then you move the ghost along a slope on the ground and that thing will move smoothly along the slope.. hence there is no vertical snapping

[lean ferry]

Guys what does blue mean in the constructor light

[hard ivy]

overclocked

[tidal epoch]

whatss the best way to transport coal from distant locations?

[lean ferry]

So same as green but overclocked?

[placid stirrup]

It shouldn't move dynamically, it should snap every 1m in the vertical direction. You're doing something wrong or the game is bugged

[willow dawn]

But the first one on the actual ground and build founmdations on top, there is a vertical grid as KYO279 zaid

[burnt ferry]

not when you place directly on the floor. i can see it working if building in the air but when the thing is on the floor you can build it at any point... i always thought my ctrl key doesnt work as expected, but it does when snapping buildings along each other

[burnt ferry]

ye sure im talking foundations

[willow dawn]

You're not?

[frail sleet]

They do snap vertically.

[burnt ferry]

it doesnt.. if the ground has a slope the building will move smoothly along that

[frail sleet]

not if you hold ctrl

[burnt ferry]

similar to when splitters snap to belts

they snap to the belt but along the belt they dont snap

or that throughput monitor behaves similar

[hard ivy]

you keep saying "building". Are you using a foundation?

[burnt ferry]

of course

[hard ivy]

where can I post a video of it working?

[lean ferry]

Guys should I leave some reanimated Sam to the side or should I make it all into fluctuates

[silk ocean]

I personally keep a bit and the Overflow into making SAM fluctuates

[placid stirrup]

Generally it's pointless to "stock up" on raw resources before you need them

[silk ocean]

In a world with unlimited resources the worst that can happen is time

[lean ferry]

No like I need some for the research itself and I don’t have manufacturer yet I’m only tier 4 ( I’ve reached tier 8 tho this is my 2nd play through by myself first was duo)

[burnt ferry]

nvm.. tried it again... works.. fine for me

[pearl summit]

I have a situation. I accidentally mined uranium. I deleted it, but I am still getting radiation?

[burnt ferry]

you still carrying it then

[hard ivy]

did you sort your inventory with it?
if yes, you need to save and reload

[placid stirrup]

There was a bug a few updates ago where if you sorted your inventory it would cause you to be permanently irradiated

Haven't played in a bit so I couldn't say if it's still around

[pearl summit]

Oh, fun. I will try to reload

[fair salmon]

theres a glitch if youre not carying it and radiation doesnt go away, you need to respaen to remove it

[silk ocean]

I had a problem yesterday where I had continual radiation, have the retain contents enabled, died, problem solved

[fair salmon]

happens to me once a game

[pearl summit]

Reload fixed it. Thanks!

[willow dawn]

Ok, I fixed my iron intake issue, still don't know why it was stalling but I fixed it now

Time for bed

[lean ferry]

BRO I

I need 6000 steel beams for all the versatile framework

Ok NEVERMIND I remember that somersloop exists

Yay

[fathom shuttle]

Hand crafting some filters rn

[loud leaf]

i often see youtube videos of some megafactories that make a ton of items per minute and im wondering what theyre even using like 300 metal plates per minute for

[hard ivy]

foundations

also, 300 plates/min isn't really a lot

3000 would be

[loud leaf]

i make 30 metal plates a minute and i never need more

[elder apex]

singularity cells take 100 iron plates/min for just 10 cells/min

so yes, some of the higher tier things do take large amounts of lower tier items to build

[prime jasper]

Is there really a story to this game? I still haven't really got a real plot so far. I will soon unlock tiers 5 and 6, I only need a few more ressources

Maybe it was the really few lines of the IA voice along the way, or maybe I am not there yet

[gritty spire]

yo so my coal power plant keeps shutting down and im super stuck. they have max water and coal, my max cons is 247 and it hasnt went over my limit of 330, im super lost man, someone please help

[hard ivy]

#1038092680493801533 and post pics - setup and power graph

[gritty spire]

didnt even see that channel lmao thanks

[north iron]

What are some reasons trains wont work

[dreamy bay]

does someone knows a mod that adds build able waterfalls?

[lean ferry]

Guys do I prioritise beams or pipes

Rn I have 22.5/m beams ans 20 pipes I want to extend to 37.5 beams for the space elevator and I don’t think pipes are needed that much

[north iron]

just build more

[prime jasper]

Also remember that even if you have many Pumps, the pipelines are limited to 300m^3 per minute

[north iron]

not less pipes you do need them

[trim vine]

Pipes are one of the most versatile items in this game

[lean ferry]

No thing is I am extending it

I have 120 more steel however I need 60 for encased so I have 60 spare

[wicked nacelle]

how are they not working?

[lean ferry]

Should I just do 30 to pipes 30 to beams?

[north iron]

i have a connected trainstation, but i cant automate them inbetween

[lean ferry]

I would be on 30 beams 40 pipes

[north iron]

just get more steel

[lean ferry]

how

[wicked nacelle]

what message does it give you?

[north iron]

overclock/ sommersloop

[lean ferry]

There’s none remotely available

[lean ferry]

Did that and can’t find aomersloop

[north iron]

next station unavailable

[north iron]

bro just search

[lean ferry]

Ok wait I’m just gonna go hunt for some

[lean ferry]

Don’t have it researched in gonna use interactive map

[north iron]

i have trains on both sides

[lean ferry]

This is another play through

[wicked nacelle]

that usually means the station is facing the wrong way -- it still has to be able to get to the station facing with the forward train front matching the forward of the station

[north iron]

good call i think!

[unkempt blade]

all train stations are beautiful even if they are backwards

[wicked nacelle]

beautiful.. just not necessarily accessible

[north iron]

Collect like 40 mercer spherers while your at it

youll need them

[lean ferry]

y so many

[unkempt blade]

beautifully inaccessible!

[lean ferry]

I know u need for dimensonal depot but why 40

[steel atlas]

Can someone take a quick look at screenshots channel for my question?

[gritty spire]

i have one pump powering one generator, the other three dont need pumps. i really dont understand coal which is part of the issue but i followed a guide for the one i built. i posted in the questions and help channel if you dont mind helping more tho

[north iron]

because you need alot to research, and on my plaaythrough i have 20 30 depots placed

one per item is perfect

[quiet gust]

U need depots for 20-30.main items and research costs 97 Total

[quiet gust]

(except concrete and copper sheets)

[north iron]

why them?

[unkempt blade]

I vote for expand, you'll have to eventually

[quiet gust]

Concrete because building foundations go brrrrr

[quiet gust]

Sheets because refineries go brrrr

[north iron]

if you have high upload speed one is enough

[quiet gust]

Not even

[north iron]

yeah, if you take some wiht you it is

[quiet gust]

I needed like 6

[north iron]

i can store like 3k concrete, thats enough for most factories

[quiet gust]

Fair, but I am not most factories I suppose

[north iron]

ig

[placid stirrup]

Unless you're making small floating platforms the upload speed won't match your consumption

[north iron]

obv not

[wicked nacelle]

did you get it?

[north iron]

but just take some concrete in your inventory

[north iron]

yup tyy

[quiet gust]

For context in my first 1.0 playthrough I reached the u object limit

[quiet gust]

Some, but it's still a nuisance

[north iron]

just cheat in 400 inventory slots

[quiet gust]

No

[north iron]

boring real

[quiet gust]

I did in update 4 when there wasn't dimensional depot

[placid stirrup]

Or set up 3-5 paralleled DDs for concrete and sheets and never have to worry about that ever again

[loud leaf]

is there a mod to limit how much items pass through a splitter?

[tawdry plank]

wait.... is diluted fuel a blender recipe...

i've been hunting hard drives but i dont have the blender unlocked

[south sinew]

there's a diluted packaged fuel you can get

[tawdry plank]

im such an idiot

[south sinew]

so if you have the packager unlocked you can still get it

[tawdry plank]

haven't got that one either smh

man my luck

[south sinew]

yeah, no packager and no blender means you can't unlock either version

[tawdry plank]

more hard drives time

[placid stirrup]

It should be unlockable with refineries

[tawdry plank]

oh no i got the packager

welp time for more hard drive hunting for the hope of packaged fuel yet

[south sinew]

oh yeah, the wiki says diluted packaged fuel doesn't actually require the packager to unlock

just oil processing in Tier 5, that's easier

[placid stirrup]

Yeah... I knew that... Totally...

[tawdry plank]

im already tier 7 dont worry

im just preparing for rocket fuel

[lost wagon]

I need mercer balls but have 0 interest in trying to find them

[south sinew]

use ags to grant them to yourself

[south sinew]

for that you definitely do need blenders

[tawdry plank]

yep ill first have to make my aluminum factory

ill have 10 drives ready once i unlock blenders

[south sinew]

you need the aluminium gas tank to unlock rocket fuel which is in Tier 8 I think

[tawdry plank]

add your save file on the interactive map

it shows all the mercer spheres you haven't got

[south sinew]

you gotta make a bit more progress after making aluminium before you can unlock RF

[tawdry plank]

i just need some alclad sheets and i can unlock the blender thing

so that i can get the recipe for diluted

i already got the casings from crash sites luckily

so shouldn't take too long

[south sinew]

you need radio control units to unlock the milestone that gives you the fluid tank for the MAM unlock

if you got some from crash site that should be easy enough

[tawdry plank]

i need 100 more alclad sheets maybe i can get them before making the aluminum factory

need to get more hard drives anyway

[placid stirrup]

If not, RCUs are pretty simple to set up. Right guys? Right?...

[south sinew]

they're pretty easy yeah

if you are already making oscillators at least

[tawdry plank]

right...

[tawdry plank]

not at scale but i got some made in the same place i make my ai limiters

[south sinew]

only need 50 RCUs to make the milestone unlock

[twin remnant]

My dedicated server doesnt stay running after i log off and in the settings i have auto pause off why is this happening

[elder apex]

it's kind of annoying that there are tons of alternate recipes for regular containers but none for fluid containers

[wicked nacelle]

some decisions are clearly gameplay decisions.. like no fluid sinks

[placid stirrup]

If it's the same issue I had, it's a hardware blip. The host logging off causes the server to screw up for some reason, only happens with certain CPU/GPUs iirc

[twin remnant]

i fixxed it just needed a simple server restart but thank you for the help

[wicked nacelle]

@twin remnant I've had this happen when I connect via "localhost" or my LAN IP address but works if I connect via my external IP.

or maybe it was fine on my LAN IP address just not loopback

[twin remnant]

weird

[wicked nacelle]

dunno if they fixed that or not though

[tawdry plank]

well i dont need any to unlock the blender at least so im in no rush

finally made some blueprints for 4 constructors, 2x4 constructors, and 2 assemblers

it's a start

at phase 4 LOL c:

[north iron]

Does the freight station always only lload one wagon?

[south sinew]

yes

[north iron]

how do i make it fill more

[wicked nacelle]

string together multiple frieght stations

[south sinew]

use more freight tstations

[hard ivy]

the station doesn't fill any wagons. the platforms do

[bright magnet]

my internet failed on the moment i completed Phase 4 and didnt gave me the achievement

[wicked nacelle]

freight station is the platform, right?

[hard ivy]

no

[north iron]

:(

[hard ivy]

station and platform are different things

[wicked nacelle]

oh "freight platform" but there is no "freight station" so....

[north iron]

idfk man my game is in german

[wicked nacelle]

I guess everyone else knew what he meant

[whole crystal]

can you remove the waypoint from a vehicle/death crate in the void

[hard ivy]

with a save editor

[whole crystal]

so theres no way to do it in vanilla?

[hard ivy]

I have no way of knowing if they meant "freight platform" or "train station" because they took one word from each

[quiet gust]

I consider it vanilla

Based on how you use it

[whole crystal]

fair enough

[quiet gust]

I think the only other way is if you can glitch through to 0,0,0 or something like that

[tawdry plank]

You can hide it

But to remove it just use the interactive map

[quiet gust]

Or you can move it using scim

[silver skiff]

hello satisfactory server

[tawdry plank]

"appdata/local/factorygame/[whichever save file you want]"
Then put the save file on the interactive map

[tawdry plank]

yea the interactive map

[tawdry plank]

hello pioneer

[whole crystal]

whats that

[quiet gust]

Satisfactory calculator and interactive map

[quiet gust]

It's a website

[tawdry plank]

it's a site

[tardy jackal]

what are peoples opinions on a city in the sky that houses a lot of your production buildings? and then making it more realistic over time?

[whole crystal]

is it the save editor?

[tawdry plank]

where you can check your save file, it shows you your layout, all the mercer spheres/collectibles claimed etc

[tawdry plank]

it's both

it has a lot of diff functions

[hard ivy]

except the calculator absolutely sux

[whole crystal]

how do i remove it on that site

[wicked nacelle]

why "in the sky"? You can build up from the ground just fine

[lilac totem]

Guys, do train junctions need some space for train signals to work? Im having trouble with a T junction

[tawdry plank]

right click and you can remove

[quiet gust]

Not for save editing

[whole crystal]

thank you

[tawdry plank]

"appdata/local/factorygame/[whichever save file you want]"

[tardy jackal]

yes, but im referring to the idea of a "floating" city or something not built around the terrain like a lot of other people

[hard ivy]

save editing is the interactive map part. the calculator is the calculator and it sux

[tawdry plank]

the save location

[quiet gust]

do you mean the production planner

[tawdry plank]

you can do that but usually i dont keep it too high above ground

[hard ivy]

yes

[quiet gust]

in which case its ok but modeler is better

[tardy jackal]

enough to leave room for a train station i presume?

[hard ivy]

everything is better than that garbage

[tawdry plank]

nah the train stations are on the foundation not on the ground

just enough for logistics and some foundation pilons

look like it holds the building

usually like 3 walls high

[south sinew]

the max height is 2km and if you build on top of high terrain that can eat some of it as well

so just gotta be careful about having enough height for whatever you're planning

[tawdry plank]

but i'd also recommend more width than height if you value your performance

since the LOD is spherical so stacking the factory vertically means more conveyors and machines within your LOD sphere so your framerate gets affected

but if you got a good computer dont worry bout verticality

[flint grail]

I was playing with a friend and my game crashed because of Steam

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[tawdry plank]

ok i think i did all basic bps ill need for now

idk why but making blueprints is daunting all the time

i should've done them like 2 phases ago

[lost wagon]

these spiders keep changing direction is annoying, that's why I need a flamethrower

[buoyant vapor]

wait theres more tapes? are you supposed to find these at random or are they apart of the storyline #screenshots message

[true mulch]

there's 3 afaik

not tied to the story

[buoyant vapor]

damn

kinda weird that its a collaboration and they made it a discovery easter egg

[true mulch]

they're Coffee Stain games

so not as much of a "collaboration"

[buoyant vapor]

well i mean it can still be seen as a promotion, a promotion that very few are going to see on average

^ assuming people dont get word of mouth

[steel atlas]

Anyone wanna jump into my game and take a look at my first power generation grid to see if I fucked it up?

[junior laurel]

Deep Rock Galactic, Songs Of Conquest, Huntdown
They're all games CS had published
It's hidden easter eggs to be cute

[lean ferry]

Do i prioritise depot upload or depot stacks?

[junior laurel]

upload

[lean ferry]

Like which to upgrade first

[lean ferry]

K

[hard ivy]

if your speed is fast enough, capacity doesn't matter

[elder apex]

it does for blueprints, if you have a large enough blueprint you might need the capacity to be able to build it at all

also, you can easily double your speed cheaply for items you use frequently just by adding multiple depots

[junior laurel]

Considering I have a blueprint that contains 1.5k steel for beams... I still need to put steel in my inv

[elder apex]

considering i have blueprints that use multiple thousands of rubber, copper sheets, and almost 1k motors, I need inventory AND the DD stacks

[junior laurel]

Yeah but starting out you're not going to need it

[elder apex]

starting out you probably won't have the spheres to upgrade either much further than 1 apart anyways, and as I said before, speed is easily doubled for highly consumed items by just making a new depot for that item. Once you get past the first few upgrade levels it's much cheaper to upgrade via more depots than it is the MAM upgrades

[junior laurel]

As a Scout I get the spheres and I upgrade both as I get em, I always alternate but starting with upload.

[supple crag]

Ah man I made a fart, and then it became a diarrhea

errr wrong server

[elder apex]

all that being said, most people probably won't ever need that sort of capacity either, as the blueprints I am using are saturated well past vanilla standards

[supple crag]

I guess while I'm here, did Coffeestain get sold off? I thought I saw something about that.

[junior laurel]

no . . .

[leaden turret]

group restructuring after parent company did a booboo

[supple crag]

What booboo?

[leaden turret]

tried to win at capitalism and failed

[supple crag]

As is so common these days

They should buy KSP2 and resume dev on that

[north iron]

i just hit 1 m Uobjects

idk how someone can hit the limit thats like 1 billion

[deep prism]

Anyone on Linux having issues with audio. It’s showing up on pw-top as 8 channels even though winecfg is configured to stereo

[elder apex]

they make a blueprint of your 1m object world and then infinite zoop it

[junior laurel]

I've done it twice while building (no mods)
Tho I did feel it coming and just kept going until she cracked

[north iron]

how?

[leaden ether]

Not sure if anyone actually has or not BUT there does seem to be a serious object leak that causes the number to balloon up much more rapidly as you play. I've got the object limit crash several times.

[north iron]

hm

[trim vine]

Dude, I was pushing 2m for the longest, only had refined power as a mod that added in "extra stuff" and didnt even use it save one coal plant

was more like 2.10 but still

[north iron]

i have no mods

except uid counter

[supple crag]

What if you pave the entire map

[trim vine]

the limit is 2.28 or something like that

[junior laurel]

I'm not even counting

[trim vine]

foundations dont take uobjects

[junior laurel]

And what about beams?

[trim vine]

idk about them

[prisma yoke]

petition for the devs to add a feature to the ore scanner that pings machines operating at less than 100% efficiency so I can finally figure out why my power grid isnt at max consumption

[trim vine]

just be happy its running

[silver skiff]

i am getting closer to leaving tier one this i think is taking way longer then it needs to

[north iron]

?

is that how it works?

[prisma yoke]

this is a great idea and definitely wont go wrong when LGIO gets like 10 billion pings

[north iron]

i have a max cons ow 110 gw and only utilize around 70 on average...

[prisma yoke]

wdym

[north iron]

it would be yeah..

[north iron]

there is a mod for that

[steel atlas]

Anyone wanna jump into my game and take a look at my first power generation grid to see if I fucked it up?

on Steam

[north iron]

Its called bottleneck

[north iron]

ok

Zappelfab

[steel atlas]

No clue how do I invite you tho..

[north iron]

just host the world i can join if you add me

[steel atlas]

added u I guess

[tawdry plank]

i did the first 2 upload then 2 on the stacks then upload then final stack

[steel atlas]

I guess I need to relog?

[north iron]

yes, and open it for friends

[steel atlas]

I did that

[tawdry plank]

i think im way too drunk to continue making my aluminum factory

drank too many soju bottles

[placid stirrup]

Don't drink and derive

[true mulch]

integrating is perfectly fine however

[scenic socket]

Gotta love it when the change direction prompt consistently doesnt appear while in a hypertube

[tawdry plank]

too late

eh it's fine im mostly making the layout no math yet

luckily i already did most math already

[half girder]

hey so how far into the tech tree is spoilers? like

||the alien power augmentor?||

spelled it wrong but anywho i have questions about that and idk if i should ask here or in spoilers

[placid stirrup]

Probably the ||missile launcher||

[true mulch]

tech unlocks aren't considered spoilers

only explicitly the narrative is

[half girder]

oh perfect

anywho, the weird corrupted voice we hear when we place the augmenter says "do not loop the window, alien jargen many temples burned"

[wicked nacelle]

According to who?

[half girder]

im assuming this means dont place another, or dont try and place it in the system and then loop it somehow. so what happens if you "loop the window"?

[wicked nacelle]

I wouldn’t want to have people just tell me what was coming.

[hard ivy]

no, you can place up to 10 and connect them to a single grid

[half girder]

oh, really nice

[hard ivy]

well, you can place more than 10 if you get your hand on more sloops somehow

[half girder]

i see, but theres theoretically no limit

[true mulch]

uh well general consensus I guess, after all what's the point of the discord if not to exchange information

if you personally consider game progression as a spoiler

[wicked nacelle]

The story doesn't really have any spoilers anyhow other than what you unlock

the story is just a bolt on to the game mechanics.

[left mauve]

does it reset when you reload a save?

i had it on my first day

[silver skiff]

is there a way to reverse the dismantle filter? like can i make it so i select everything except for foundation?

[left mauve]

or does it get worse the older your save is

[wicked nacelle]

pretty sure no

[left mauve]

i think no sadly

[sweet light]

I quit fuck you ficsit

[wicked nacelle]

but if everything else is a blueprint, you can dismantle the whole blueprint. Also, zooping in some new foundation should be pretty quick

[silver skiff]

its fine i got it all

it wasnt too hard to do

[left mauve]

best i got is if you select a couple foundations by accident you can set the filter to foundation and deselect them easily

[true mulch]

if you let go of CTRL, aim at a selected building and press CTRL again, you'll start to unselect

[junior laurel]

There's a lil leak

[left mauve]

so it gets worse the older your save is?

[junior laurel]

Nope, some objects get suck and unjanks when the game reloads

[left mauve]

ah ok nice

i did leave my computer on for hours so my spaghet could produce enough parts to make a real factory so thats probably what went wrong

[gritty spire]

does the slightest head lift for water change the flow whatsoever? my ocd is gonna bug me if i make this plant it it does

[hard ivy]

as long as you stay within the head lift of pumps/machines, it doesn't affect flow.

once you go over 110%, you start to lose flow

[gritty spire]

so like my pipes are 10m head lift so if its 2m, it wont do anything

[left mauve]

yes if youre under max headlift all pipes behave the same regardless of height

btw did they fix the pipe bug where it would sometimes stall if you put in 600/m?

[silver skiff]

i got my first lizard doggo

[peak wasp]

So what's the developers opinion on the stop killing games initiative?

[leaden ether]

Yes no issues with 600 pipes or floor holes

[left mauve]

sweet

[hard ivy]

the bug was fixed, yes. but 600/min pipes are still fussy sometimes (notice it's /min, and not /m. m is a meter, min is a minute)

[leaden ether]

All pipes are fussy sometimes. :/ I've not noticed a single behavior differece between 300 and 600 pipes.

[left mauve]

im using non-SI units for brevity here

[hard ivy]

m is an SI unit and it means a meter. also, the game uses SI units

[peak wasp]

So with the pipe pumps...why do they lock at like 55m

[hard ivy]

because the limit is 55m...

[peak wasp]

Is where the game locks them fine?

[quiet gust]

yes

[peak wasp]

The limit was 50m

[quiet gust]

thats the recomended limit

[leaden ether]

You just add another pump at 50 m to continue on up

[hard ivy]

the pumps go up to 110% technically. I like to keep them below 100% tho

[peak wasp]

The game locks them at 55m though

[lost wagon]

keep pumping until you reach the top of the space elevator

[quiet gust]

you mean like the autosnap

[leaden ether]

What do you mean by "Locks"?

[left mauve]

i guess ill stick with my old plan of planning my oil factories around 580/290 per node thanks

[peak wasp]

Yes

[quiet gust]

as ;long as you dont intersedct with like a junction its fine\

[leaden ether]

The pumps don't really have auto snap do they?

[quiet gust]

they do

[peak wasp]

They do

[hard ivy]

getting the max from an extractor is easy. getting 600/min through a pipe filled by 20+ machines might have issues

[leaden ether]

THey just slide along the pipe for me...

[quiet gust]

the thing when you are placing the hologram on a tall pump section

[hard ivy]

blue ring appears at 110% of lift

[left mauve]

ah ok thats pretty easy to solve

[peak wasp]

And 110% will be full capacity yes?

[leaden ether]

Or are you talking about the rotation snap?

How do you get them to snap along the pipes? They never do for me and actually it's kind of annoyingly hard to line them up when in a bunch.

[left mauve]

do you need to load balance to avoid the issue?

although with that name your answer might be biased here lol

[hard ivy]

you can't really balance pipes

I guess technically you can

never tried it tho

[left mauve]

the ones from the extractor are pretty easy

yeah its semi-balancing really

but i remember i had issues with a manifolded 600 crude oil pipe in 0.9 and making it sort of balanced fixed it

that might have been two 300s combined tho now that i think of it

[hard ivy]

my fix is putting the main manifold pipe above the refinery inputs/outputs

it works for oil, but it didn't fully work for HOR once

[left mauve]

ah yeah that would also have helped i think but was not possible for cosmetic reasons

[hard ivy]

the only conclusion I can draw is that the number of source machines matters

[left mauve]

i just avoid filling pipes completely

[bright magnet]

holy the particle accelerators are POWER HUNGRY ... i almost took down my base power line with just 1 with 2 shards and 4 soomerloops

but end up taking the shards out to keep the 2X output bonus

[quiet gust]

20gw of power for 1 machine isnt that bad (:

[woeful elbow]

i have unlocked trains and need to start to use them, but want to make it good the first time since it will take a long time to setup, are there any best practices, types of train loops to follow?

or is there a video or webpage that addresses a commonly accepted best practice way to route traisn

[quiet gust]

for almost any treain make sure there are two tracks, one for each directions

[tender raft]

there is a user made world on the reddit for learning how to make trains and good practices

[placid stirrup]

WHAT?! That's enough to time travel 18 times!!!

[quiet gust]

?

[placid stirrup]

I see I've dated myself

[quiet gust]

back to the future?

[woeful elbow]

it takes 1.21 gw of power to time travel

[placid stirrup]

Aye

[tender raft]

but if youre really lazy and just want some ground rules
-avoid bi-directional rails, always make your rails one-way
-always do one train car, one resource, and one freight station, one resource, do not do multiple resources in one car
-1:4 locomotive to freight cars ratio for best efficiency

[leaden ether]

There WAS. for some reason the user was banned or account deleted along with all the links :( I haven't been able to find that file elsewhere since. I have an older version 4.2 though I can DM if someone needs it (If it isn't too big)

[woeful elbow]

ok, would it better then to have one central line with smaller lines going to/from it, or have the central line hit every stop?

[quiet gust]

you split off from the main line. And unlock signals before you do anythign

place block signals periodically

[woeful elbow]

ohh i see

[tender raft]

thats odd cuz i had a conversation with them not long ago, wonder what happened

[placid stirrup]

At this point I almost exclusively do dedicated, two-lane lines from resource/intermediate product to main factory
Wording was ambiguous, sorry

[leaden ether]

I dunno. I didn't see any mention of why. It was a good example world IMHO

[quiet gust]

p ath signals should be places before an intersection, before a split, directly after the train leaves a station, and except for the finals case, make sure you remove a few block signals before path signals, as trains will slow anytime the are aproaching a block signal close to a path signal

[quiet gust]

and blueprint autoconnect for trains is amazing

and in general

Does anyone know how to merge objects with hard clearance using the blueprint designer?

i dont wanna place 650 fuel gens normally

[versed mirage]

should i always use my best belt possible?

[quiet gust]

almost always, unless its for balancer or similar things

or unless you dont have the reasources automated

[versed mirage]

nah but like for an example if im producing 60p/min should i just use mk1

im using manifolds so do i need to have the resources moving around fast

[quiet gust]

you can, but higher tier belts help the system start faster and help you in terms of hotkeys

[versed mirage]

alr

[leaden ether]

Yeah it can get expensive using mk6 belts for hundreds of 30 item/min manifold to machine connections :D Mainly, other than completely avoiding Mk2 belts, I use what is generally appropriate for the throughput unless there is some special circumstances.

[quiet gust]

i use highest autometd tier so i dont have to switch between belts and can just press 3 and get a belt

[versed mirage]

i think i might just use mk3 because i want the manifold to fill up fast, i only have to use like 2 manifolds for my smart plating factory

[leaden ether]

(THe Mk2 belt thing is mainly a hold over from when I started out and they were out of line with expense between Mk1 and Mk3 so avoided using them ever)

[quiet gust]

excess tier 2

[leaden ether]

In the end, finger efficiency may be the most practical efficiency in the game.

[quiet gust]

I bought( or rather got for chirstmas) a 200 dollar mouse that has 12 buttons mostly just for this

It is so fucking op

[versed mirage]

not the bajillion side buttons 😭

[quiet gust]

I use 11 of the 12

[kind obsidian]

Naga mouse from razor? After my 2nd one clapped out never went back the right clicking always went bad

[quiet gust]

Ive never had that issue

most of my stuff is razer though

[leaden ether]

I've worn out so many mice of all brands over the years -.- As long as it isn't like after 6 months of use...

[wicked nacelle]

I had a razor keyboard with switches they recalled. Keys started failing but they took it back at the razor store for a refund. So that was good. Like 5 months after I bought it

But I’m guessing most people don’t have a razor store nearby

[quiet gust]

wtf are yall doing to ur razer stuff

ive had my keyboard for years

[wicked nacelle]

They recalled all the keyboards with my switch type because they all failed

[quiet gust]

wait no i misinterpreted what you meant

i forgor what a recall is lmao( i remember now)

[fathom shuttle]

Razor has retail stores?

[wicked nacelle]

There is one by university of Washington

[twin remnant]

anyone down to play

[quiet gust]

what tier you at

[twin remnant]

new world

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

[quiet gust]

nahr

i have thing to build

[twin remnant]

#1201555265942724758

[tawdry plank]

ive decided to make my aluminum factory at the red bamboo forest instead

it's more central than swamp so i can get the last few nodes to it quicker later on

[wicked nacelle]

Your FIRST aluminum factory 🙂

[tawdry plank]

my only aluminum factory

[dense violet]

if you're aiming to do all/almost all bauxite, the circle late to the east of the red forest is probably more convenient

[tawdry plank]

i will make all aluminum in this place

[quiet gust]

howw much bauxite

[tawdry plank]

i will maximize the output

[dense violet]

that way you can bring the train to the edge of the cliff and dont' have huge elevation shifts

[quiet gust]

are you goign to use the silica recipe

[tawdry plank]

right now i got six nodes into it so like... 4500 a min

[quiet gust]

there is double that in the world

[tawdry plank]

i know

[quiet gust]

there is 9300 total

[tawdry plank]

but im not dragging all of them rn

it's 4am

im only setting up half the factory rn

i still need to get the swamp nodes and a few nodes west but that will bbe for later

[quiet gust]

im mean how many do you plan to use

[tawdry plank]

all of it

again this will be my only aluminum farm

making all the aluminum

sparing none

with sloppy solution

[quiet gust]

aluminum ingots alt or reg

[tawdry plank]

im not dealing with silica

it's worth the slight loss to not have another headache

[quiet gust]

(1.5x lost ingots)

i kinda agree tho

i did a nearly maxed out one with silica ingots

i hate that factory

[tawdry plank]

it's not like ill use all the aluminum. i am just futureproofing

for all the plans in the near future

[quiet gust]

hey if you jhave extra ficsite aluminum ingots are an option

[tawdry plank]

im still planning to get all bauxite to red bamboo

[tawdry plank]

true

but that is much later on i still am in tier7

[quiet gust]

or solid aluminum rotrs

[fathom shuttle]

How do I get the lift without the 1m of belts

Like no gaps between the 2 heads

[quiet gust]

wym

[fathom shuttle]

The mini lift or something like that

[tawdry plank]

cant you snap them like you do when you snap a splitter to the lift's exit?

idk i never tried getting 2 lifts to touch

[quiet gust]

place a stackable conveyor thing in front of it, not sure the exact distance though

[tawdry plank]

#screenshots message

alright im done for the night

it's actually nearly 5am and i havent even placed a single refinery lol

anyway i am dead and this took way longer than expected goodnight everyone

[modest nest]

can I make it auto place the power pole mk2 instead of mk1?

[quiet gust]

not afaik

[wicked nacelle]

"this place will make more aluminum than i will ever need" That's so naive 🙂

[tawdry plank]

You can if you drag a line from another MK2 pole

[tawdry plank]

I mean it will use all the bauxite in the world

[modest nest]

ahhhh

[quiet gust]

i mean realistically it will

[wicked nacelle]

that can be done but it's actually so much throughput it's hard to manage locally.

[tawdry plank]

Yeah if I need more I'll just wrap my brain around a setup with silica later

[tawdry plank]

That sounds like a fun challenge

[quiet gust]

drones ftw

[tawdry plank]

The more the better

I'll prob use electrode recipe cause of the petroleum nearby

I can make petroleum coke quick

[quiet gust]

you should coal is more valuable

[tawdry plank]

I haven't checked coal nodes nearby

Or if there are enough

[quiet gust]

or you could go the goofy route and use 3100 sulfur for electorde scrap

[tawdry plank]

For 9k+

I am a goofy kinda guy

[quiet gust]

i did it for mine

[tawdry plank]

But I also value my sanity a bit

So I'll just go the simpler route

[quiet gust]

it is simpler logistically imo

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1394861548475908168/image.png?ex=6878598c&is=6877080c&hm=a2cf911e2d9cbcadcc8a44a80cd2654306f24ba5d3533a705b8d55ec6c9ed22f& This processes about 85% of the bauxite on the map.

[tawdry plank]

Ok+ bauxite will make all aluminum products I'll need at least for the foreseeable future

[wicked nacelle]

There's 8 train stations -- 4 in 4 out.

[tawdry plank]

I still haven't touched train lines

[wicked nacelle]

aluminum and plastic/rubber are great spots to use trains

[quiet gust]

if you are really goofy you will use aluminum rods + aluminum beams + steel screws to make pure aluminum rotors

[tawdry plank]

I wanna at least have a start with this factory to have enough sheets for the blender milestone and mk5 belts and then I'll learn trains

To transport everything

But trains are too daunting for me so I'll do the aluminum factory cause at least this is fun for me

Instead of daunting and annoying

[wicked nacelle]

casings eats about 2/3 of the aluminum I make. everything wants 200 casings/m I swear

[quiet gust]

chat im about to start my 28 gw turbo fuel factory, can i ger a pog in the chat?

[tawdry plank]

I've seen some of the recipes and they are.... Annoying looking

[wicked nacelle]

I had to switch to alclad casings for everything beacuse I was out of aluminum -- it's not a big improvement but I had to every 10% is a big deal at this point

[tawdry plank]

Which is why I decided to maximize this esp for my current stage

Trains are way more intimidating than they need to be in this game

[wicked nacelle]

Just joined the terawatt club when this went online: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1394862630815924224/image.png?ex=68785a8e&is=6877090e&hm=135215d4f37ad95eac81424c5a5dff2235b88b210ead43bf4fbb72e05a607d16&

[trim vigil]

wait whys ada removed via chat?

[wicked nacelle]

Trains aren't that hard if you put in a couple hours to learn the main rules for a highway-style setup

[trim vigil]

i just logged on for the first time in like a month and its gone

[tawdry plank]

It just breaks my brain so I'll avoid them and do stuff I actually know like the factory

[tawdry plank]

It's a buf

Bug

[wicked nacelle]

if you ever want help there's a handful of people here that will help you with trains 1:1 -- me included

[tawdry plank]

I know but I really don't wanna do it

[wicked nacelle]

it's the most fun part of the game, IMHO

[tawdry plank]

Which is why I'm even making this factory first in the first place

Everything else I got planned will need train limes

And I really don't wanna do that

I avoided touching the game for 2 days cause that was my next task

So I chose another task

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1394863259831500901/image.png?ex=68785b24&is=687709a4&hm=d68a2190809224e542284c17d93829b00bfbbddc9050c29e8220819b0f8a7c11& trains!!!

and the sooner you do trains the more powerful they are because every bit of rail you lay is good for connecting you whole network of factories

[tawdry plank]

#streams-and-videos message

This u

[tawdry plank]

I just don't wanna do them ok

I'll do them after

[wicked nacelle]

it's the only transportation that scales to the whole map -- the theoretical throughput of a rail is insane

[tawdry plank]

Nothing will make me do them next

I'd rather do conveyors across the map and that's saying something

[jolly ice]

i have 7 lizard doggos.
And several of them I named after food..
We have cheddar, mozza (For mozzarella), now brioche.

I need lettuce, tomato, and some kind of meat to complete the sandwich brigade-

[quiet gust]

they are easy, make a blueppirnt an blueprint autoconnect ftw

[quiet gust]

bacon

or shrimp if you wanna be groetesque

[tawdry plank]

That won't help with signaling or doing the paths properly or making sure that they can supply enough resources across everywhere

I'd just rather not touch them

For now at least

And another 20 hrs

[wicked nacelle]

signaling is NOT difficult. and throughput scales effortlessly 🙂 Anyhow, just don't be scared of them.

[quiet gust]

sif you hate signalling so much make tracks the dont intersect and instead go over another

[tawdry plank]

That's ugly though

Plus I wouldn't be happy with myself if I do that

[wicked nacelle]

you still need signalling to make any type of sensible rail. but the rules for path signals are trivial. path in's block out's

[tawdry plank]

At that point just conveyor everything

[quiet gust]

(except for train stations)

[quiet gust]

not as fast or aesthetic

[wicked nacelle]

no, you just put a block at the entrance and at the exit and you're done

[tawdry plank]

Idk conveyor walls are beautiful imo

[elder apex]

belts are always just as fast as trains, since belts are your limiting factor on everything

[quiet gust]

paths at the exit decrease wait times

[tawdry plank]

More beautiful than stacked train lines

[quiet gust]

i mean to set up

[tawdry plank]

Still would rather do that rn tbh

Again trains made me not touch the game at all for 2 days

[elder apex]

belts are ridiculously easier to setup than trains if you are not concerned with aesthetics

[quiet gust]

so much more tedious though imo

[tawdry plank]

I'm only playing rn cause I'm avoiding trains and did everything else like exploring for somersloops and hard drives this week

I have either the aluminum factory or the trains to do so the choice was cleat

Clear*

[elder apex]

i just don't see how, for belts you just run them from source to destination and you are done. for trains you always have to run from source to destination and back or you have to put in some looping mechanism, plus setup the stations, the buffering, etc etc

[quiet gust]

Its tedious b/c you dont get the variety of tasks to do in trains, you just place and place and place.....

[tawdry plank]

Place and place is brainless tho

It's not annoying

And doesn't have the chance of trains colliding

Or getting stuck and ruining your factories throughput

It's tedious to set up but it will never ever fail

[elder apex]

tedious wasn't the original complaint though, fast and aesthetic was

[tawdry plank]

And conveyor walls are cool looking

[wicked nacelle]

but if you build a new factory and you want something from your existing train network you just make a train and tell it to go get the other stuff and boom you have the other stuff

[tawdry plank]

Brainless isn't a critique

It's a compliment

[tawdry plank]

That's already too much for me lol

The more you guys gloat about trains the less I wanna touch em

[elder apex]

plus it's another learning curve for the placement as well as the signalling

[wicked nacelle]

we're trying to make the game harder for you then

placement?

[elder apex]

learning to place them to traverse elevations, etc

[tawdry plank]

Idk trains are just clunky in this game. Other games you don't have to worry about as much when setting up trains

Even in satisfactory tho trains there aren't my fave either

Factorio*

Why did I write satisfactory

[trim vine]

Trains are not clunky at all

[tawdry plank]

5am brain ignore me

[trim vine]

I have helped countless people set up trains in this discord

[elder apex]

i will gladly concede that some people just like trains and that they can be made to look and perform quite well, but they certainly aren't for everybody

[tawdry plank]

The problem is that conveyors will not fail

[wicked nacelle]

but the game is clearly designed for people to make heavy use of trains

[trim vine]

For everyone or no, they work as advertised, and you need to know how they work to make them effective

[tawdry plank]

So why not deal with the tedium once and be done with it

Have a conveyor wall highway be very aesthetic and be done

[wicked nacelle]

because you're never "done" with it -- because you have to do all the work again to run more

[trim vine]

Cause trains ARE objectively easier with a single caveat, you need the infrastructure to support it

[wicked nacelle]

a train network connects everything together with very little incremental work

[quiet gust]

i finally figured out a use for petroleum diamonds

[trim vine]

is it to make diamonds xD

[tawdry plank]

The train lines meanwhile is just a whole lot of onboarding and still be limited by the speed of conveyors

[quiet gust]

no

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, when you've sucked up all the coal on the map and need more time crystals

[trim vine]

cause you can make a worldwide train network one time, and then just add junctions where needed

[quiet gust]

( oil based is better for that is my point)

[wicked nacelle]

it's not, you can add more train cars or more trains.

[wicked nacelle]

no, there's nowhere near enough oil on the map

[bitter agate]

Ada is taking notes on me killing the beans

[trim vine]

I didnt make a single diamond with coal and beat phase 5 in one night ( I am salty about it)

[wicked nacelle]

the story is just the tutorial

[quiet gust]

( oil based is 5 oil per diamond, petroleum is 6 per diamond)

[elder apex]

so in other words one can do a lot of work on the off chance of taking some percentage of advantage of it, vs just doing the work as needed. I think i'll stick with the work as needed, thanks.

[bitter agate]

Just make coal diamonds... oil is more scarce than literally anything else in the entirety of the game.

[wicked nacelle]

you don't do "a lot of work" you just incrementally connect new factories as you make them. you don't go out and just run all the rail at once

[tawdry plank]

Yeah your argument just doesn't make the trains less of a daunting unfun looking task

Idk I just don't see it

[quiet gust]

in this save i have to use every alternate recipe in the game in some somewhat significant manner

[tawdry plank]

I'll learn it but I'm dreading it

[elder apex]

no, according to @trim vine one is supposed to create a world wide network first

[bitter agate]

Have to or want to? You don't need to use it unless you need to utilize it

[quiet gust]

yes, it takes very little time

[tawdry plank]

And plus I have no idea how I'd do the network while the conveyors I'll be certain how and where to go

[quiet gust]

its a challenge run i already beat the game

[bitter agate]

I just play the game, not poking the alt recipes that are not the best

[quiet gust]

I think every alt has some uses

[elder apex]

so learning to use trains, signals, setting up all the infrastructure is less time consuming than just running the belts? I'm sorry, but I call BS on that

[quiet gust]

inb the long run yes

[tawdry plank]

Even the biomass coal after phase 2

[quiet gust]

basically only for speedrunners

[tawdry plank]

It just doesn't sound like a fun learning experience though

[quiet gust]

Its not hard

[bitter agate]

Ehhh, that really depends on what it is and what you're producing. Late game production relies on a ton of alts if you're trying not to get screwed over

[elder apex]

no, because in the long run i'm not running belts anymore, i'm running drones

[tawdry plank]

I didn't get it my first time and everytime I see more of it I wanna do it less

[tawdry plank]

Drones are low supply tho

[bitter agate]

Drones need fuel, there will still need to be belts somewhere. Even a track maybe

[quiet gust]

so why not do train infrastructure instead of building way too many drones and having to deal with fuel

[tawdry plank]

Drones seem easier but also less items

Or way more drones

The sky would be covered lol

[wicked nacelle]

drones are great for some things. But for plastic/rubber and aluminum stuff, not useful

[bitter agate]

Run a two lane train network, usually around the whole map and through major paths. Most people don't run one in the Red Forest unless they need to collect resources there

[elder apex]

because dealing with the fuel is trivial. all the drones deliver to one place ( I run a bus base, remember? ), and therefore all i have is one drone run extra to fuel the base

[fathom shuttle]

If you need them for anything less than 3 stacks they’re the best lol

[quiet gust]

two words

the lag

[trim vine]

No, dingleberry, its an option for sure, but you build trains for two reasons usaully:

• to move raw or tier 1 resources to at least a biome or two away
• Move finished mid tier product elsewhere

For things like say.... fused frames, are better on drones

[elder apex]

thanks for the personal insult, welcome to my blocklist

[fathom shuttle]

Lmao

[quiet gust]

LMFAO

[tawdry plank]

Oof

[wicked nacelle]

yeah that seemed unnecessary

[bitter agate]

Only way you're achieving this is with Nuclear fuel rods from Plutonium recycling. Many of the other fuel types suck at speed and efficiency and take a ton of time to even make or ship it to where it needs to be.

[quiet gust]

its just kinda true? 3 stacks is the optimal transfer rate

[fathom shuttle]

Anyway, building the constructors for stators and rotors is very annoying

[elder apex]

rocket fuel, works great. and no, i'm not shipping alum/rubber/plastic via drones

[quiet gust]

drones to ship fuel to other places is the best option imo

[fathom shuttle]

But I’m almost done with the turbo motor section

[quiet gust]

(i hate stators)

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll need to move to the space parts section

[tawdry plank]

All ionized fuel power base when

Frfr

:>

[hard ivy]

When it becomes good

[bitter agate]

Only time i'm using drones is when I hit Nuclear, smaller stuff like elevator parts and hard to reach things will be droned.

[tawdry plank]

D:

[elder apex]

two sets of long belts, one from the underground oil in the red jungle and one from the oil fields on the west coast transporting plastic/rubber/aluminum to the rocky desert.

[tawdry plank]

So never

[bitter agate]

I'd rather not consume all the nitrogen for a fuel that is only good for power to kickstart a Nuclear facility and then some production

[quiet gust]

(with enough power boost it's slightly better than rocket fuel)

[tawdry plank]

Will you use all your somersloops for that tho

[fathom shuttle]

Im thinking of doing an alien power matrix set up

[bitter agate]

Don't attempt past 10/min, it's not worth the power bonus

[fathom shuttle]

But the amount of superposition oscillators that’s gonna take…

[quiet gust]

No Im going to use 34 for Sam, 22 for converters in my nuclear plant and 40 for four matrixed augmentors. You only need a 60% power boost to put perform rocket fuel

[quiet gust]

(I'm doing 20)

[fathom shuttle]

I’m pretty sure my production is below the minimum for APM to be viable

[hard ivy]

? Any amount is worth the power bonus, if you have 200+ GW of raw production

Edit: Well, no. 100 GW is the break even point. You need way more for it to be worth it. Idk if 200 is enough

[tawdry plank]

Oop they did the math :0

[fathom shuttle]

375GW, 450-475GW if I keep the fuel power plant

[quiet gust]

I think the math is you need to make 60gw for it to be net neutral

[tawdry plank]

Anyway let's hope I won't avoid the game like the plague again when I finish the aluminum factory

[bitter agate]

I'd just not since you need some for Extra SAM slooping and then misc sloop stuff. I did run my numbers a while back on it and I didn't go past 3 power augmenters

[elder apex]

i'm producing 25 BWD/min ATM on 213 GW out of 481 GW of rocket fuel power. not sure where you get the idea that nuclear is a requirement for end game stuff

[tawdry plank]

It's 5:30 am I should sleep goodnight y'all. Don't die

[modest nest]

HMF are fun, I haven't been here for hours whatttt

[quiet gust]

I am slooping all Sam in the game and am still fine (or will be when I get to that point at least)

[tawdry plank]

In conclusions trains are intimidating goobnight

[quiet gust]

Nuclear is less tedious

[fathom shuttle]

Slooping the manufactures for the plutonium fuel rods would be easier than a APM system tho so it’s something I’ll do once I finish project assembly if I’m bored enough

[quiet gust]

Night night

[bitter agate]

tackle it sometime else then, I stare at my save sometimes because of boring projects

[tulip orchid]

I hear train slander is happening and while I like trains I will admit that the choice between trains and belts is very much a preference issue imo

I for one think trains look cool and don't want to run a 9 mile belt highway

[bitter agate]

Why?

[tawdry plank]

That's why I'm doing the aluminum factory

[elder apex]

only when you don't have good blueprints. I can drop down 2 blueprints and have 600/min rocket fuel production and 36 GW of fuel gens

[fathom shuttle]

If I sloop all that’s an easy 225GW I can tap into by basically disconnecting a belt or two

[tawdry plank]

It's literally the only task that doesn't need me learning to do trains rn

[quiet gust]

(yes but it's not technically vanilla)

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll need to build extra power plants but whatever

[hard ivy]

If you can make 5 matrices/min for 12 GW, sure. Tools calculates ~18, however

[bitter agate]

More power to make more power moment, rather sloop non radioactive materials that are sparse that help in recycling stages

[quiet gust]

Regardless, most people makes 10-50x that

[fathom shuttle]

Everything is going to be stored lol

[bitter agate]

That sentence alone is the Nuclear crazy person that was before Plutonium recycling was a thing 💀

[quiet gust]

Why

[hard ivy]

Most people make 3 TW? Kinda doubt that

[quiet gust]

I mean than 18gw

[elder apex]

then rocket fuel is just as tedious as nuclear IMO. Running tons of pipes for water is just tedious as running tons of pipes for fuel gens. running logistics for the massive collection of materials that nuclear requires is much more annoying to me than the 4 that rocket fuel requires

[bitter agate]

1TW is already enough of a milestone to hit, it's not needed unless you're going overclock mode

[fathom shuttle]

I don’t want to do ficsonium because that’s easily 150 hours of work lol

[trim vine]

Rocket is WAY easier than Nuclear

[modest nest]

Im running on a total of 6350MW

[quiet gust]

Fair, why not sink the plutonium rods then

[bitter agate]

Recycle the Plutonium rods after you make them, or store them and overflow the bins?

[hard ivy]

18 GW is how much it costs to matrix 1 augmenter. You need to get out more than that for it to be net positive. And what you gain is 20% of your raw production. 20% of 90 is 18. You need at least 90 GW of raw production for matrices to break even

[trim vine]

-stares in FICSONIUM for the challenge-

[tulip orchid]

I will say that rocket fuel seems like it's probably better/easier to set up in obnoxious bulk
I think nuclear is a more interesting technical challenge, and if you aren't using that uranium anyways you might as well

Granted, you are not using 2100/2100 uranium all the way to the ficsonium rods so you can only really extract a limited fraction of the total potential power

[fathom shuttle]

Because I’d be losing out on like 250GW of power

[bitter agate]

DO NOT! That is how you end your save there while screaming at the waste rates

[fathom shuttle]

Storing the plutonium waste

[quiet gust]

That's why I said 60gw, and that's per augmentor, if you make more than that it's a net positive

[tulip orchid]

Plutonium waste is actually reasonably manageable off memory?
I wouldn't bother with it because I don't like things that require manual checking or can become a future me problem, but I suppose there's really not too much reason you can't burn at least some plutonium

Or just stuck the plutonium in trucks/drones, where it doesn't produce waste

[hard ivy]

And I said it's 60 if you can make 5 matrices for 12 GW instead of 18. Because at 18, the break even point is 90, not 60

[fathom shuttle]

Uranium power production: 150
Plutonium power production 225GW
I’d lose 66% of station’s power output if I sunk the plutonium rods

[bitter agate]

If you use quite literally almost all the uranium in the map you get roughly 650GW on Uranium Fuel rods (49.5)/min. You don't use plutonium unless you want to screech at how much SAM you will need alongside a few other rare materials that are a pain to get ahold of.

[quiet gust]

either way you likely make more than that, so i tis net positive

[fathom shuttle]

With the blueprint I’m using I can do 280 hours of storage with each click, so storage is not a concern for me

[quiet gust]

and if you do that you need sloops or you dont have enough sam

[trim vine]

I have yet to attempt regular nuclear

[fathom shuttle]

I need a place where I can put it without looking at it tho

[hard ivy]

Max from only natural uranium is 50.4 rods, or 630 GW

But you can cheaply make more uranium from bauxite and SAM

[elder apex]

underwater

[bitter agate]

You'd need more than sloops, you'd need a santiy check and you'd have to zone shut off how much waste you're making to recycle it.

[bitter agate]

I did a chart on it and dropped it from that to 49.5 to allow for buffer room

[tulip orchid]

It's hilariously easy to get underneath the map, if I was a waste-storing kinda guy I'd shove it down there

[trim vine]

looking at what?

[quiet gust]

fair. I m doing a weird nuclear setup though cause i need to use every alt

[fathom shuttle]

The plutonium storage bins lol

[hard ivy]

What buffer?

[steep brook]

hey guys, so ive been in satisfactory modelor for like a hour now, and i cant seem to find a way to set a part limit or cap the amount of resources going into a storage container, and also to pick how much of what goes where or to what machiens, any sugestions??

[trim vine]

-STARES HARDER IN FICSONIUM-

[bitter agate]

Either transporting or just making Nuclear weapons as well, I just lowered the number though since I was confused with it back when

[trim vine]

where is your plant right now?

[bitter agate]

I'm gonna have a hard startup sequence, pretty much from whatever fuel setup I have to turning on a few reactors to get dozens more on.

[quiet gust]

how many plants are you making

[hard ivy]

2km up in the sky in a corner is ideal. The radiation won't reach the ground

[bitter agate]

More than likely 100 or so, Plutonium is out of the question unless i'll do a few just to make a tiny recycling plant.

[tulip orchid]

I'm pretty sure you straight up don't have enough SAM on the map to ficsonium every plutonium rod you can make normally

[quiet gust]

do what i did, make a fullk storage of uranium fuel, then hook up about 10% of the water extrractors to one system, 30% to annother, 30% to another, and 30% the rest and slowly flick the power switches

[fathom shuttle]

It will be on paradise island

[bitter agate]

Nope, rough start. No rods in bins, pure chaos and troubleshooting with excess batteries on standby.

[trim vine]

where that be

[fathom shuttle]

Water extractors on the coast, everything else on the island

[quiet gust]

so the kibitz content strat

[fathom shuttle]

Uh it’s west of the grass fields biome

[quiet gust]

the island off the green hills with nothing

[bitter agate]

Exactly, of course i'm smart and have stacks of batteries later on and disconnect them when they're charged

[tulip orchid]

I deeply respect Kibitz but also
Man, he is so deeply stupid (imo) sometimes

[quiet gust]

emergency (unneeded) processing facility as well?

[fathom shuttle]

Yo this is genius I’ll use a drone for that so I don’t have a floating lift in the middle of the sky

[quiet gust]

its for content, he knows what he's doing. I love him but it is just for content

still a fun watch

[bitter agate]

That's just going to be built-in to the recyling plant, I'll stockade recycling materials though just in case something funny happens. I remember that old build he had.

[fathom shuttle]

How important is an emergency waste processing facility

[quiet gust]

not

[bitter agate]

Depends what you're doing...

[quiet gust]

if you build a bunch of sotrarge fo nuclear waste its un needed

[fathom shuttle]

I see

[bitter agate]

Normal recycling is ehhh

[quiet gust]

and if you section it off so you have a section that can power plutonium acceelerators its even less needed

like a samll section that doesnt use much fuel to power it

[fathom shuttle]

Batteries?

[quiet gust]

your more likely to have too little waste b/c pipes are a pain

[quiet gust]

good idea but not as useful as youy might imagine

[fathom shuttle]

Wdym?

[quiet gust]

and dont start up the whole factory at once

[fathom shuttle]

All pipes are under 600 except the water for the reactors

[wicked nacelle]

There is a LOT of power if you just burn uranium rods and sink plutonium rods. You don't need to do anything fancy or make something unsustainable

there's multiple terawatts

[quiet gust]

i mean if any pipes get angry you will get slightly less waste and slightly fluctuating power

[quiet gust]

i would say dont go for plutonium but go for many augmentors

like obv make rods but sink them

[fathom shuttle]

Which pipes are you talking about here? The only non water pipes in the entire plant are 1 nitric acid pipe at 180/min and a sulfuric acid pipe at 300/min

[quiet gust]

the ones connected to the plants

[fathom shuttle]

I thought the water pipes for nuclear reactors are 100% stable no?

[quiet gust]

mine work at like 99.97 percecent effieciency

[wicked nacelle]

the nuclear waste water exactly matches the sufluric acid input water requirements so you can just disconnect sulfuric acid from fresh water once it's flooded

I've never had a nuclear generator fluxuate from water

[quiet gust]

or maybe i need to stop relying on throughput monitors to tell me how well its working

im going with that and my fluctuations being from my fuel plant

[fathom shuttle]

They’re too unreliable at low throughput tho so idk

[quiet gust]

i mean it is like 700 waste per belt so thats not the issue

[boreal musk]

theres no sloshing going on for nuclear pipe since its just 1 input, unless its a manifold

[fathom shuttle]

Nah I’m not using the default recipe encased uranium cells

[quiet gust]

hes talking non fissile uranium

[fathom shuttle]

Ohh I forgot it makes water

Yea so I plan to recycle the waste water and make it into a closed loop, but I’ll also have something to sink the water into just in case

[quiet gust]

i dont think you need it

[wicked nacelle]

that can only cause problems

[quiet gust]

thats only ever needed if waste water touches fresh water

[wicked nacelle]

Water can't magically appear so if any sinks then you'll actually run out

[fathom shuttle]

Hmm yea great point

[trim vine]

-stares in wet concrete-

[wicked nacelle]

wet concrete drinks more water than is on the map, I swear

[quiet gust]

as long as its a closed loop( aka system a for sulfuric acid links to system a for uraniun ect ect) or a closed loop blueprint its fine

[fathom shuttle]

So I just fill it up including the waste water and it should work right

[bitter agate]

Kinda why people use wet contrete to deal with tons of excess water

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, waste liquids used to be challenging for me but it turns out none of them are actually hard

[bitter agate]

Anyway, I need to get back to screeching at this Biomass processing plant so I can move on to rebuild my non-foundation factories

[fathom shuttle]

Liquids are indeed not hard

[quiet gust]

what i did was use a buffer somewhere and run the system keeping the wastee water disconected till it stoped, then i flushed a small amount of water until the fluid buffer was just slighlty below 400

and have a buffer for sulfur

i infact used the fresh water from the nitric acid system to temporarilyt fill it too simplify logistcs, then cut closed the valve

so i haver a way to easily gget more water incase something breaks

[fathom shuttle]

Alr got it

I’ll probably use the 2400m3 buffers lol

But the the total waste water will be 480/min so slosh might become a problem if it’s being bottom fed

[quiet gust]

you can but its uneeded

[quiet gust]

dont bottom feed then, place the nuclear blender close to the sulfuric acid, i can show you mine if you want

[fathom shuttle]

Lemme see

[quiet gust]

un moment

i can stream it if u want to explain it

[quiet gust]

would that be ok

[wicked nacelle]

liquid buffers should NEVER be used except at train stations if you MUST ship liquids

[quiet gust]

i mean it works fine for me

[trim vine]

I use it to flood nitric acid, but I also slap valves at each end with a pump after the valve

[trim vine]

The thing about buffers is if you ARE going to use them, you need a pump at the other end

[quiet gust]

thats what i do

do the reset headlift or am i crazy?

[trim vine]

buffers do

[quiet gust]

i used to think valves did

[trim vine]

thats why they have a bad rap of not working

[quiet gust]

thankfully they dont

[fathom shuttle]

Yea sorry I went afk

[quiet gust]

no worries