satisfactory

[shy mulch]

You don't. You're playing it forever now. This is your new life. Your old life doesn't matter.

[tawdry plank]

only 15 second microbreaks allowed per week

[bold wedge]

what old life?

[bold wedge]

youre a bit too nice there, eff eye see ess eye tee will NOT promote you

[grizzled lotus]

if I'm not at full efficiency, is there a difference between having a smelter connected to one constructor vs 2?

[tawdry plank]

you're right 3 seconds would be merciful even

[bold wedge]

in what context

and are you talking 2 constructors or 2 smelters

[grizzled lotus]

just in general

if I have source feeding a constructor/smelter/etc whatever, and it's not at full load or 100% "efficiency" /upkeep

is there a difference if I split that load into 2 devices

[shy mulch]

The amount of stuff you produce is the amount of stuff you produce. Look at the output

[tawdry plank]

i dont quite get what you;re saying

you can split it as many times as you want just keep in mind it will be slower and slower

[shy mulch]

Slower or faster depends on what he's doing. It's really unclear what is being asked here

[tawdry plank]

just get a couple more iron nodes or whatever and keep the constructors at 100%

[grizzled lotus]

if I have a smelter feeding a constructor, and the efficiency is not 100%...

[tawdry plank]

remember that space is plentiful and resources are everywhere so there's no need to only use one smelter for too many things

[grizzled lotus]

efficiency is the percent y ou see on the constructor, since it's not always working

[tawdry plank]

yeah what is the issue it will still work just.... slower

[grizzled lotus]

is the output hurt or the same if I build another constructor

[tawdry plank]

nope it;s just slower

[grizzled lotus]

ok

[tawdry plank]

the more you split your resources the slower it gets

might as well get more of the resource so they do run at 100%

all about ratios and everything

[shy mulch]

If the efficiency isn't 100% then it isn't working all the time. Can be multiple reasons for that. And sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesn't. Can't really answer any more specifically than that unless you can be more specific in the question

[tawdry plank]

read this it might help
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Production_line

[grizzled lotus]

I'm 40 Adaptive Control Units away from phase 4. this is agonizing

[tawdry plank]

i just left my factory to afk for an hr while eating for phase 4

if ya can do the same while doing something else then go ahead

[grizzled lotus]

well, not everything is automted. I'm just trying to squeeze to phase 4 so I can move out of this biome

[tawdry plank]

:c

yeah in phase 4 pls automate it cause handfeeding would be very painful

[lofty forge]

yup i didnt automate any of the space elevator parts and now im paying for it by trying to automate stators, rotors, heavy modular frames, radio control units and high speed connectors, crystal oscilators, silica, ai limiter, nuclear, electronic control rods, modular frames and more i probably forgot all at once :(((

at least i have computers set up but im going to need to increase them when im automating supercomputers too :c

[tame notch]

can someone help me with train transport stuff im too dumb and nothings works

[tawdry plank]

im gonna need to make big factories for all those too cause now i have like 1-2 constructors for each at 100% but no more. so ill be just like ya in phase 4

[grizzled lotus]

oh boy. did you look up any guides or have you tried using the trains?

I can give you tips but you have to know something beforehand

[tame notch]

i looked yt guides and i have 2 rtains working but the one im builing rn is not working at all

[lofty forge]

satisfactory recieved phase 4 (blenders, particle acc.) all the way in 13th of april 2021 the game has had 100s hours of content already in that date. later updates usually worked on small things like, nuke nobelisks, glass walls, blueprints and such, but you could already sink a ton of time into it already at that date

[tawdry plank]

yeah as i said it was anything but unfinished. it was still a bountiful game

just without the story and the end. only got better with time

i was agreeing that it's been great

[lofty forge]

ow should have tagged farsel about that then

[grizzled lotus]

I think we need more information. somethings to think of; are you using block signals? if not, is the train station facing the right direction?

train stations have direction and they need to be the rigth one

if they're facing the opposite way trains won't enter

[tame notch]

can we go in a call and i stream u my mess is it ok for u?

[lofty forge]

if you are using path signals dont use them unless the trains have a chance to collide

[tame notch]

idk i build 2 trains and this one exaxly the same and its not working

[grizzled lotus]

I can't, to be honest. house is asleep

[tame notch]

ok

[grizzled lotus]

sorry

[tawdry plank]

house we need to cure this patient

[lofty forge]

does the train give any alert like "signaling problem" or such

[tawdry plank]

did you try the medicine drug

oi i did try the medicine drug

god damn it why did i do this to myself

now it's playing in my head

[tame notch]

there is next trainstation
reachable

not
reachable

[lofty forge]

"next train station not reachable"?

[primal path]

Hi, is there way to do a timelapse video in satisfactory?

[terse kindle]

by tier 4, how many rotors should I be making relative/compared to stators/motors? I'm making my industrial parts factory atm

[hard ivy]

station facing the wrong way prolly

[tame notch]

next stop is not
reachable

[grizzled lotus]

I don't think numbers matter this way. just make what you can

[tawdry plank]

repeating it didn't make it cleare

just send a screenshot and link it here

[grizzled lotus]

Chat, I did it. I finished Phase 3. This is the first time for me.

[tawdry plank]

it's clearer if we see what is your issue

[tawdry plank]

yippee

[lofty forge]

the train cant go into the station in the right direction like KYO said probably

[tame notch]

nice W

[grizzled lotus]

thank you all.

[lofty forge]

nice make sure to watch the space elevator animaton you only see that so many times

[grizzled lotus]

I did : )

[lofty forge]

yay

[lofty forge]

if it still didnt work you can open a question in the "questions-and-help" section and send photos

[tawdry plank]

it's illegal not to

it's your one ficsit permitted break

[terse kindle]

generally speaking, the when the production calculator call for assemblers/constructors working at different clock levels, only for them all to go to same destination, it's assuming you're going to use a manifold system to move stuff around right?

[lofty forge]

most of the time probably, i dont really use the production calculator. but the easiest and simplest and the quickest way to gather things is to make them a manifold

so you only have 1 belt to manage things around

and connect

[plain locust]

can drones refuel at a destination port? If I have 2 drones linked to a port thats constantly supplied with rocket fuel, can those drones take fuel from the fuel slot of the supply port?

[lofty forge]

yeah, drones will take fuel whenever there is fuel at the station they land on

[plain locust]

thank you 👍

[turbid bear]

dont forget to keep extra fuel on hand so you can pre-load the drone port ;p

[lofty forge]

oh yeah, if the drone is bringing materials to make the fuel you have to jumpstart it first. like havok said

[grizzled lotus]

well, time to move out. is the 2nd forest biome starting point a good place to go to?

[lofty forge]

northern forest? if you are willing to put up with building platforms for anything you make (because the entire area is too dense and has way too many slopes)

it has pretty good materials tho

i would recommend rocky desert to the northwest of the map, but do whatever you want

[grizzled lotus]

I already am in the rocky desert, I think

[lofty forge]

1. is the desert mustard yellow or white yellow 2. are there at least some trees around you 3. is there a water stream near you 4. are you closer to the swamp or the red forest

[crude canyon]

insert rocky desert joke

[grizzled lotus]

yes

I believe the other one is described as having vast open spaces

I'm not in that

[lofty forge]

both of them have vast open spaces..

does the sand look like egypt sand with tiny waves

[grizzled lotus]

when starting the file, what's the name of the final one that's appropriate for "experts"?

[lofty forge]

dune desert

[crude canyon]

rocky desert is on the left, dune desert is on the right

[steady glade]

how does y'all's pipework look when you join dozens of water pipes into a single foundation lane

[grizzled lotus]

not that

[grizzled lotus]

then I am in rocky deseret

dune desert is the one has big open spaces, and has a nearby lake with some trees in it

[crude canyon]

my leg is also a rocky desert

[grizzled lotus]

rocky desert ( the one I'm in) is more rocky and is less flat

[turbid bear]

i got a wooden pegleg, with termites, and a kickstand

[modest nest]

so In order to deal with the byproducts of oil production, I need to unlock further milestones which require the production of plastic and rubber, how am I supposed to deal with the byproducts

[turbid bear]

you have several options

[modest nest]

Im going the residual rubber and residual plastic route

[crude canyon]

have you tried looking for hard drives?

[modest nest]

yes, this helps how

[turbid bear]

HOR can be made into petroleum coke and burned in a generator

[crude canyon]

It gives recipes

[turbid bear]

or turned into fuel

[modest nest]

Im not dealing with HOR

[viral egret]

usually when i say "i lost 50 hours worth of stuff" it's pretty devastating, but in satisfactory i barely got coal plants unlocked so i'm not even too mad

[turbid bear]

residual rubber and plastic can be setup so you have no byproducts

[lofty forge]

dune dessert is good

[modest nest]

Yeah, only byproduct is fuel, but I don't have fuel generators unlocked

and I need rubber and plastic to get those unlocked

[turbid bear]

so just package it, and sink it

[lofty forge]

your only problem is going to be, water, really, not much else

[modest nest]

also can't package stuff without plastic and rubber

[turbid bear]

sink it until you unlock generator

[leaden ether]

Someone mentioned finding a mercer sphere without a shell earlier, there are a small number of them. This one I've decided to preserve in a nice bit of scenery just outside my aluminum plant. #screenshots message

[turbid bear]

there are recipies so you dont need plastic to make containers

[modest nest]

Only thing I need plastic for is unlocking fuel generators

and fuel packaging

[lofty forge]

but it in a fluid buffer until you unlock fuel generators

[turbid bear]

you could just buy that plastic with ficsit tickets tbh

[modest nest]

fluid buffers are also part of the fluid packaging

[undone crow]

At train intersections, do we want those colored segments to be as small as possible or larger to avoid trains getting congested and stalling?

[modest nest]

I could do that

I forgot about the ability to buy resources

[lofty forge]

you can also unlock fuel generators via caterium research

[modest nest]

I wish it wasn't setup like this honestly, why do I need a product to get a thing that allows me to make said product

[turbid bear]

also, if you scout the map for hard drives, theres a good bit of plastic laying around at some of those sites

[modest nest]

I'll just buy it, I have like 50 sometimes tickets

[turbid bear]

thats what i do for the beginning stuff like plastic and rubber, i just buy it with tickets

[abstract locust]

for future reference do i need more aluminum casings or sheets ive got 120 sheets and 225 casings per minutes rn im maxing out my bauxite tho

[modest nest]

I feel like this is a part of the game that should probably be changed

[turbid bear]

yer gonna need alot of casings, but that should be good

[grizzled lotus]

so where is dune desert from the rocky desert?

[leaden ether]

Hard to determine, depends on recipes you use in the future, but my last run I used equal amounts of each. (960 vs 1000)

[turbid bear]

east side of map

[abstract locust]

kk js didnt wanna over produce one item to end up needing more of the other

[turbid bear]

err west lol

[tawdry plank]

i need the iron in my system so i eats them

simple as that

[turbid bear]

dont worry about over producing, just sink the overflow

this helps ya get the golden nut sooner

[tulip orchid]

You can drag fluids out of machines and into your inventory's trash if you have to

[lost wagon]

so do you guys make a side small factory in the byproduct when making a Fuel Generator plant or you just sink the byproduct?

[turbid bear]

i sink it all

[abstract locust]

well yeah i just didnt wanna under produce one item because i was over producing the other thats why i was asking which id be using more of

[tulip orchid]

How do we feel about that one recipe that makes iron plates with steel

[crude canyon]

you mean sinking heavy oil residue? make it into coke and sink it

[lofty forge]

rightmost/top of map, it is also the biggest biome in the game

[lofty forge]

right now gets turned into diluted fuel then recycled product or power

[abstract locust]

yeah if ur talking about plastic and rubber use it in a factory first then overflow split the rest into a sink

[grizzled lotus]

is it weird that I like the desert maps visually more than the forest maps? I expected it to be the other way around

[modest nest]

Im not dealing with HOR at all, using all residual recipes producing the resources I need and fuel

[lost wagon]

I don't have blender yet so I can't use diluted fuel

[tulip orchid]

The deserts are way nicer to build in

[lost wagon]

yea, would be polymer resin as byproduct, so would be either

[grizzled lotus]

is the Hub and Space Elevator the only thing I can build one of? Need to know before heading out. Also, if I search a Hard Drive in a MAM, can I get the result in another MAM?

[crude canyon]

residual need polymer resin and water
polymer resin is made when you either make fuel from oil or, when you use an alt that makes it with hor (and that one makes a lot of polymer resin)

[lost wagon]

yes

[grizzled lotus]

I'm guessing f is for forest. what's n or f?

[turbid bear]

yes, you can build multiple MAM and it syncs

[lofty forge]

as far as i know yes. yup MAM is universal

[tulip orchid]

Diluted Fuel also has a refinery recipe, but it uses packaged water & you need to then unpackage the fuel if you're using that in generators

[crude canyon]

so the hard drives would help your situation

[jaunty jewel]

northern and god knows

i cant think what the g could be tbh

[turbid bear]

the faster you gather hard drives, the sooner you can research and unlock recipies ^^

[grizzled lotus]

gorthern

[jaunty jewel]

surely

[grizzled lotus]

northern forest and god damn forest

[jaunty jewel]

northern forest and GOD FUCKING DAMNIT THERES MORE FUCKING SPIDERS forest

[lofty forge]

maximize your efficiency by starting harddrive research and then starting your journey so it gets done on the go

[turbid bear]

^

[dawn lake]

Hey guys just a quick question, does the game lag if you remove nature stuff like trees and grass?

[jaunty jewel]

the only other forest i know of are the red forest and titan forest

[turbid bear]

dont forget sherwood forest

where robin hood and his merry men reside

[lofty forge]

it shouldnt unless its by a chainsaw

[dawn lake]

wait what!?

[turbid bear]

yeh, chainsaw lag is real

[dawn lake]

so if you chainsaw leaves it will increase lag in comparison to picking it up?

[jaunty jewel]

hey ive been there before

[turbid bear]

if its set on "area"

yes

[dawn lake]

that is so confusing haha

[turbid bear]

so theres a shortcut for gathering leaves

[dawn lake]

can i make them grow back?

[turbid bear]

no lol

[lofty forge]

things removed by chainsaw never come back

[turbid bear]

so hit the E key to gather, and when you pick up some leaves, hold E while you open inventory

[dawn lake]

awh man so my world is gonna be like that forever? :c

[turbid bear]

close inventory, and youll pick up leaves automatically

[vestal mica]

do small plants and stuff you remove by hand come back? i don't think so

[lofty forge]

if picked up by hand that they should come back in 3 ingame days (not sure/might need to be at least 500 meters away from a powered building excluding power poles)

[turbid bear]

afaik only thing that comes back in consumables, and thats only if the plant wasnt murdered

[dawn lake]

I commited genocide on nature in my game because i thought by doing so i would increase fps

[lofty forge]

well it does do that

[dawn lake]

Confusion continues on me

[vestal mica]

i don't know how it saves what is and is not deleted, so removing a lot of stuff may make your save file bigger so autosaves can start to make a noticable hitch

[lofty forge]

less foliage to render does increase your fps but on the other hand area mode of chainsaw makes the game lag

[vestal mica]

makes it lag in what sense. i use area chainsaw all the time and dont' notice lag

[dawn lake]

is there a way i can reset the forest with a mod or something?

I have so many regrets now as an american in this game

[lofty forge]

oh right should be momentarily lag not continuous

[vestal mica]

i don't notice that either

[lofty forge]

there was a mod i think but you have to search for it a bit

[dense violet]

use SCIM to redo the flora

[turbid bear]

good idea, backup yer save first tho

[dawn lake]

Is scim a mod?

[turbid bear]

kinda

[dawn lake]

im trying to look for something that can just regrow the biome without reseting my buildings haha

[turbid bear]

its web interface map editor

[dawn lake]

oooh

[fathom shuttle]

Time to sink all the capsules I’ve gathered so far

[turbid bear]

SCIM is a powerful tool

[viral egret]

is there any reason not to convert copper immediately into wire?

[turbid bear]

copper is used later in game to make copper powder

[dawn lake]

oooh thank you guys

[viral egret]

k for early game then i can just build the assembler on site?

[turbid bear]

sure, yer gonna need lots of wire anywho lol

[dawn lake]

im still gonna look for that mod and if i cant find it i will just start all over again

[golden plank]

Satisfactory are coming to ps5!!?

[tawdry plank]

it's used for many items later

well mainly sheets and powder

[lofty forge]

are you planing on using all the nodes in an area

[viral egret]

no, not right now, just to know where to place my assemblers

constructors sorry

[fathom shuttle]

Sitting at 374 tickets rn

347* let’s see how much that is going to be

[grizzled lotus]

I found it. I found the dune desert. It's so beautiful 🥹

[crude canyon]

make it ugly
fill it with concrete

[fathom shuttle]

770k/min dna points lol

Already at 412 coupons

420 xD

[turbid bear]

ooop someone said 420 brb

[lofty forge]

then... i dont know really. you can try turning most of it into wire for now and the rest copper sheets (you are not going properly need them until oil stuff, only for pipes [unless you decide to use alt recipes]). just do whatever you want

[fathom shuttle]

It’s done

459 coupons

112 coupons from dna capsules

Conclusion: not worth the time to farm them lol

[reef wasp]

Noted.

[spring gust]

Is there a way to lower the quality of things like trees and rocks when blown up? Me and my friend are tired of our games freezing especially in the red forest lol

[grizzled lotus]

I wonder how big of a hypertube cannon I need to build to go from the dune desert to the rocky desert in one jump

[turbid bear]

you can just make a custom tube cannon and launch yerself over there 🙂

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, I was wondering how big or long it would need to be

[dense violet]

not long, you can make ones that loop and then eject you

[tawdry plank]

you can make a very small one and still work

one sec

[dawn lake]

guys i dont wanna sound annoying but i want to thank you again for the help! The scim not only reseted the leaves it also brought back the trees and im so happy now!!

[tawdry plank]

#streams-and-videos message

this one i used to get to dunes from grass field too

i just changed the angle

[tawdry plank]

now tear them all down again

for ficsit

[dawn lake]

ill only tear the ones in my path c:

ficsit will hate me for it

[grizzled lotus]

dude, that ruled! (and I've never said this phrase before in my life)

I only feel bad for the pioneer

[tawdry plank]

it's ok they will be replaced by ficsit in [ERROR] years

[dense violet]

no sweat, SCIM is great for that. I love my leafy green maps 🙂

I should have done a spoiler warning as that tool can be a 100% exploration spoiler though

[grizzled lotus]

my fuel-power generator tripped for some reason

the difference between capacity and comsumption is in the 100s

[quiet gust]

its probabvly fluctating

[dense violet]

damn hoverpack

[quiet gust]

get a few power storages and try the system again

[grizzled lotus]

even if it were fluctuating, it wouldn't matter. this is a new base I built

it literally has one miner, 4 smelters, 4 constructors, an oil extractor, a refiner and a fuel power generator

the generator should easily provide for 5 of that

[quiet gust]

then its fluid dynamics being silly

sometimes pipes dont work right

[grizzled lotus]

huh

build and rebuild?

[quiet gust]

Nope

[grizzled lotus]

the pipes, I mean

[quiet gust]

more power

[quiet gust]

not a long term solution

you can try

wont hurt

but since the generator is fueled by a liquid that has to be prosuced by a refinery( aka not using water as the input) it sometimes gets upset

[grizzled lotus]

is that abug or part of the game?

[quiet gust]

bug caused by floating point i believe

[dense violet]

what?

if there's a flow issues it's almost certainly just a layout issue

often easily solved

[quiet gust]

that too

[grizzled lotus]

I figured out the problem. I think it got clogged by polymer resin

[quiet gust]

well then

[grizzled lotus]

this refinery is wonky : /

just now it stopped pumping fuel for no reason

[quiet gust]

does it have enough oil

[grizzled lotus]

nvm, I made a stupid mistake

[quiet gust]

which was?

[grizzled lotus]

I'm basically starting this up on a biomass burner, just until the fuel power generator starts making power

I was troubleshooting with connection and disconnected the oil extractor I guess and forgot to connect it again

[naive pendant]

Well you got half of the classic troubleshooting step: turn it off and on again.

[violet pecan]

Should trains be able to kill you?

[tawdry plank]

yes

[vivid spade]

I like trains

[quiet gust]

no( unreallistic but would be a nightmare if they could)

[grizzled lotus]

did you use a hypertube branch? how do you choose which path to go

[tawdry plank]

it would be funny like satisfactory

[tawdry plank]

just press E

and it launches you

no other button to press

[vivid spade]

I love hypertubes

[grizzled lotus]

so you remain in the main lane until you press E. what about hypertube junctions?

[tawdry plank]

i just wait 5-10 sec and press E

[tawdry plank]

you tap e

that's the only control

to switch directiona

[grizzled lotus]

but junction have two exits

[violet pecan]

I love spaghetti

[tawdry plank]

and tap E again to change

[tawdry plank]

yeahh it shows you which one you're going through and when you press e it switches

that's all

[vivid spade]

Same that's why my factory looks like spaghetti

[grizzled lotus]

does that mean I can make a sort of hypertube cannon map with a series of hypertube branches? first exit to fly north, second exit east, etc?

[tawdry plank]

no it's too fast for that

after 2-3 loops you wont control which one you get out of when you tap E

[grizzled lotus]

hmm, I agree if it's a loop like the one you made

but if there's a big space between each branch...

[vivid spade]

I got stuck in a hypertube loop

Not fun

[quiet gust]

spam e

I m surprised ive never been trapped in one tbh

[violet pecan]

Hypertubes: Angel hair pasta
Pipelines: Spaghetti
Conveyor belts: Linguine

[tawdry plank]

if you want the loop to launch you the distance wont matter after a few seconds. it will launch you at speed of sound

conveyors are tagliatelle

[vivid spade]

Ohh so I didn't have to respawn

[tawdry plank]

chamge my mind

[vivid spade]

I'm just too lazy to make it look nice

[fathom shuttle]

It’s time to pave over the entire grassfields biome

I’ll try to finish the turbo motors build today

But idk how to split 240/min aluminum for the packaged nitrogen without breaking my production lines

[quiet gust]

I just finished paving over the blue crator a few days ago

[naive pendant]

How to split = it’s manifolds all the way down

Unless the nitrogen canisters aren’t being consumed, then not that.

[dense violet]

just make a few thousand empty containers and shift the production back. You don't need to KEEP making them

[dreamy wren]

Hello! Any quality-of-life mod recommendations?

[tawdry plank]

Infinite zoop is pretty common

[buoyant vapor]

is there any way to use power shards from the dimensional depot? i just uploaded a bunch and that might have been a mistake

wait nvm i didnt realize you could just take them out by clicking on them

[quiet oar]

im so mad at my fucking tractor, im pressing f to load it and it wont work. why is that? im on the verge of tears

[buoyant vapor]

i dont think f does anything. arent you supposed to load it from the crafting bench

[steel sluice]

If you're making a path, just drive to the truck stop and pause there and then keep going on your loop. Also double check that the station is set correctly to load/unload as necessary

[tender pier]

Why do you think there are rules prohibiting publishing your server invitation code (in the relevant topic)?

After all, this significantly complicates the already difficult search for players.

[leaden ether]

I can't believe how badly these vertical mergers/splitters are implemented. Splitters seem to work, but attaching a merger to a vertical lift stops all flow of materials through the lift. ?!?

[wicked nacelle]

I haven't had any problems with that

just did it ... works fine for me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1394509030625509466/image.png?ex=6877113d&is=6875bfbd&hm=0b35950adbf71655a1d5482ba29cabf91be8be91b1e58e407a13a3dd9b650218&

[leaden ether]

Just is not working here. Items flowing from top to bottom through 4 floors through floor holes. Attach one merger above a floor hole by a notch ot two, all flow stops.

[wicked nacelle]

floor holes have had problems though -- dunno about in 1.1 but def have been buggy in the past

[leaden ether]

Never had a floor hole problem... ever in 1.0. But when using the vertical splitter/merger yeah, the wackiness is pretty high.

Yeah this don't look right #screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

vertical merger/splitters change the "click" spacing by "half a unit". try adding another one splitter/merger and connecting the lift through your hole then.

I don't know if this is a problem or not, but that's what I'd do

if you do that "half a unit" offset twice, you're back on "standard spacing"

I don't know a better way to describe it

[clear snow]

i was struggling today too and the H drag option no worky (ive been awake too long to make better sense than that lol)

the nudge option lol thats the word, apologies

[dawn lake]

Im embracing them too now, ive learned so much from the community its awesome with how much knowledge you guys have

[leaden ether]

So... I have to connect the lift between the two floor holes then place the merger, then delete both halves of the vertical lift, then hand replace them starting at the merger going up and then merger going down and it finally works. They did NOT cook these long enough. 9.9

[dense violet]

some of us have been here a while xD

[tranquil hemlock]

I'm having a problem with my supposed "smart" storage system. The smart splitters are eating items. The main feeding sushi belt goes through the smart splitters, which are set to overflow for that line, with right hand output set to the dedicated item. But sometimes - and currently every time with crystal oscillators - which I first noticed it on - the splitters are keeping the items. I can retrieve some of the items by dismantling the splitters, though some are just outright gone

[dense violet]

they have a small internal buffer. it's not infinite, dw about it

[leaden ether]

Yeah I think the splitter holds like 3 or maybe 4 items.

[dense violet]

yeah I think 3?

don't remember. It doesn't effect anything so didn't pay that much attention to it.

maybe 9?

[tranquil hemlock]

Seems to be 3. All the splitters have 3 of my oscillators in it

[dense violet]

yeah ignore it. Over the infinite time of infinite items flowing through it to storage it will not impact you life or factory at all

even over like 5 minutes it won't impact you really

[tranquil hemlock]

It confused me though

[feral jay]

Except when you send the wrong stuff down a belt, so you delete all the belts and remake them, and still end up with shit clogging up your machines

[open pollen]

It has such a little effect that I never knew it was a thing 😆

[dense violet]

don't send the wrong things down 😛

[leaden ether]

Ha yeah, I sent the wrong item down a belt and through a splitter and down a belt lift to a machine. Had to delete and rebuiuld the lift twice to clear it AND the splitter :D (Times about 20 machines -.-)

[dense violet]

splitter buffers are an obscure fact. Most people play the game and never know about it

[feral jay]

Ah yes, just like the car I bought that doesn't break

[dense violet]

just stop breaking it 😛

[feral jay]

Exactly 😎

[tranquil hemlock]

#satisfactory-memes message I had to meme it XD

[feral jay]

Nice, killed my first nuke hog this game

BTW all splitters have buffers, not just smart splitters

[tranquil hemlock]

flashbacks to my first encounter with one of them

[feral jay]

Smart splitter have a larger one, I think

Yeah I remember when I first encoutnered one

They added WHAT?!?

Dammit there were two of them

[tranquil hemlock]

I was in a multiplayer world, exploring with a friend. We had a small split to have a look at different paths, and I encountered the hog, started swearing, running backwards, and trying to shoot the evil bastard with the rebar gun. Got in sight of the friend as he asked "What is that?!" Me: "Death!" dies

[steady glade]

what since when??

[feral jay]

Since ever I think?

[steady glade]

how many items does it hold?

[dense violet]

3?

[feral jay]

I only know from sending the wrong material down a belt by accident, and then deleting all the belts in a manifold thinking that would clear it out, and then I still have a few of the wrong thing on them

[steady glade]

i see, that explaims the shit i had to correct last night

[willow glen]

Is satisfactory tools broken rn? I have it set up to make modular engines and somehow it’s producing neural-quantum processors as a byproduct

[dense violet]

it really shouldn't have affected you in any way

[dense violet]

you probably have some residue not being used

[steep brook]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TOO ME WHY IN THE ABPSOLUTE FUCK THEIR ISINT ZOOP FOR BLUEPRINTS, OR ATLEST LIKE A BUILD MENU OR TYPE FOR IT!!!!! AND ALL THE MODS ARE ABSOLUTE SHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE CODED ONTO THE NUMBER PAD BUT I HAVE A 50% KEYBOARD SO I HADE TO REBIND ALL MY KEYS WASTING 30 MINUITS OF MY LIFE JUST FOR IT TOO TWEAK OUT CRASH MY GAME AND CAUSE ME TO LOSE 2 HOURS OF WORK. thanks for letting me vent here, lmk ur opinions :]

[dense violet]

becayse no

[willow glen]

Residue from… what? Rubber? Automated wiring?
edit: took it over to #math-and-meta message

[dense violet]

and good bye

[dense violet]

dark matter residue I assume? link your plan?

[steady glade]

i had some bp's of stacked manufacturers, and for whatever reason a few of them had rubber

[dense violet]

you might have accidentally had rubber somewhere in the bp? the bps copy everything

[steady glade]

because engine limitations, can you imagine the amount of buildings you could cram into a blueprint? and then multiply that by 10

[dense violet]

but in basically all circumstances, splitter buffers won't impact your game in any way. It's why no one knows about it

[tranquil hemlock]

Hearing the sound of power cutting out, and it's just like sigh "This is gunna be a pain, isn't it"

[feral jay]

Build a battery backup

And keep it offline

[steady glade]

this is why you gotta spam power storage during good times

[feral jay]

(well except for charging it up)

[sour trail]

I get that this would be a decent qol addition, but as Kallaghan said, engine limitations might make this infeasible

[steady glade]

#screenshots message blueprinted a load of storage, each floor costs 3600 wire, 360 frames and a bunch of other stuff

[tranquil hemlock]

XD That's a lot of machinery. Must be nice to have that much space 😂

I think my main problem is that I procrastinated setting up fuel generators XD Went straight into railway and a manufacturing point for oscillators

[reef wasp]

The two towers look pretty nice.

[steady glade]

im still struggling with space, this and the phase 3 factory in the distance are my biggest builds

[reef wasp]

Ahh, just noticed they're banks of batteries.

[dense violet]

build up. basically infinite space

[steady glade]

i went to the western sea at the edge of the map for more easy space

[tranquil hemlock]

XD yup. I'm in the desert too, and the oil is stuck down in a canyon

[dense violet]

sure, but with a bit of verticality you could have put all that inland with very little effort

[steady glade]

now i can build up with 1.0, but back when i started in the grass fields, it was a pain building up

[steady glade]

the main issue is that these specifically require the oil from that beach so there wasnt much of a reason not to use the space at sea

[dense violet]

aesthetics?

easier to connect sections of factories to each other too using 3 dimensions

[wicked nacelle]

I want a radiation suit made out of train

[feral jay]

It's generally easier to build in 3 dimensions, it's just harder to actually plan in three

[wicked nacelle]

or factory cart

[dense violet]

I thikn with a tiny bit of practice with 3d it becomes no different

instead of 4 sides you have possible logistics paths, you have 5 or 6

[steady glade]

i really struggle with the Logistics Floor™

[feral jay]

I just build so I don't need them

[arctic vigil]

Would someone be able to hop on a save rq and help me out with something?

[dreamy bane]

can i compltely replace the rebar gun with rifle or rebar for short range and rifle for long range

[feral jay]

Not really worth switching imo

Although the rebar gun is more fun

[steady glade]

rifle if you like to mag dump, rebar for special ammo

[feral jay]

But the rifle goes boom boom

[wicked nacelle]

what do you need?

[arctic vigil]

Troubles with oil and piping lol

[feral jay]

No. You're fired.

[wicked nacelle]

can you put your save file on google drive or something? It's way easier if I can just load it myself. And that way I can turn on flying and whatever

[arctic vigil]

Its on a server if you wanna join

[feral jay]

Usually with a few overhead shots people can figure it out, which is hella easy now with the new photo mode

[arctic vigil]

But yeah I can get the save file

[wicked nacelle]

If you ahve a hoverpack for me I'll join... but otherwise it's really a PITA

[arctic vigil]

Yeah, I've got what you'll need

[wicked nacelle]

I'll dm you

[dreamy bane]

which is better in terms of dmg?

[feral jay]

Per hit, or per second?

[dreamy bane]

both

[feral jay]

Then neither, and both

Rebat gun will do more damage per hit

The rifle does less damage per hit but fires faster and misses more

[dreamy bane]

what if i use the homing rifle ammo? is it guaranteed hit?

[feral jay]

It gives you a largeish box and if you can keep the target inside that box, it hits. But it does quite a bit less damage.

[dreamy bane]

less than normal ammo?

[feral jay]

Halfish

[rich ivy]

question

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Rifle#Rifle_Ammo-0 there ya go

[rich ivy]

is there a way to flip hypertube branches

[dreamy bane]

alright got it thanks

[feral jay]

Normal rifle ammo does 5 damage per hit, homing ammo 3

[rich ivy]

alright then thanks

[cursive crane]

Yes. You click then turn it

This bugged me for weeks to find out

[wicked nacelle]

it's quite satisfying watching a factory burn through excess nuclear waste after you screw up and let it collect

[rich ivy]

i click and it just builds

[dense violet]

build logistics 'cores' instead - paths between sections of production, in any direction, dedicated to belts and pipes

[wicked nacelle]

just brought another 48 nuclear reactors online https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1394533028734435428/image.png?ex=68772797&is=6875d617&hm=62728c79094553f25176bbea051da44cf718a5db0629fbb01e501b401efed063&

[cursive crane]

Click and hold or something, i cant remember, i use the setting in gameplay for one click building or w/e it is. There is a way with both settings

[wicked nacelle]

one click building is so nice except when it isn't 🙂

[rich ivy]

oh wait

you have to build it on a hypertube

i wanted to put it down on its own to make them line up on a grid

nvm figured it out

[cursive crane]

Discussion here if you are interested
#1384320856741908480 message

[boreal musk]

hold and rotate

i wish it behaves like pump, where you click twice instead of holding it

[fathom shuttle]

I need them for turbo motors

So constant 240/min needed

How does this look #screenshots message

[dreamy bane]

is there a way to lay railway lines up steep inclines some kinda trick?

[dense violet]

oh well then it's easy to decide how many you need pm right? just decide how many TMs you want

[fathom shuttle]

It takes up a lot of space lol

[dense violet]

use foundations the whole way, 2m ramps at most

[dreamy bane]

oh so it will work on 2m ramps but not 4m?

[dense violet]

technically you can do slightly steeper, but sticking to 2m is much easier

[dreamy bane]

got it thanks

ask santa

[feral jay]

Everything I do is amazing... everything everyone else does, is crap

My shit is stuff and your stuff is shit

psht I'm too humble and awesome to be arrogant

God dammit I wanna rush something that needs 6k screws

That is NOT amazing

[fathom shuttle]

Lol I know it’s dogshit but it’s not that bad

[dense violet]

bolted plate + bolted frame -> hmf

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll probably come back to it and redo the stair section but for now it’s good enough TM

[feral jay]

Rushing Mk.2 blueprints, which needs HMFs, which I haven't automated yet

So that means the base recipe, which means fucktons of screws

[fathom shuttle]

I’m gonna have to 20 particle accelerators to the west of the space elevators

So I can have a direct look at the loops

[feral jay]

Ooh I just unlocked heavy encased frames AND pure iton ingots, tough choice

[fathom shuttle]

Heavy encased frames

Always the answer

[feral jay]

That would be my first choice yes

If I pick that one up now it'll throw pure iron back into the hat

[fathom shuttle]

Is there a way to make belts going up ramps look better

[feral jay]

Wait for FICSMAS® and decorate them

With candy canes and stuff

[fathom shuttle]

This a genius idea #screenshots message

Tho I’m not sure if I’ll make it 4 or 5 rows

Yea 5 is definitely the way to go here

I’ll have a drone tower behind them that delivers the copper powder & PCC

Will be so good

[bright plover]

is there a way to disable spiders without disabling achievements?

even with arachnophobia mode, I am terrified of them

[fathom shuttle]

Got to settings -> gameplay

Turn off hostility

[feral jay]

Well you can turn aggression off

THose fuckers always give me goosebumps, and I'm not arachnaphobic in the least

[abstract heron]

i set mine to nothing and then i use a mod to make them poof there items when they spawn

[bright plover]

thanks y'all \o/

[abstract heron]

i am hoping that i can get my new thing quicker @unborn gyro

[feral jay]

LOL just unlocked Mk.2 blueprints.

"This improvement was made available due to complaints from pioneers about other pioneers not being able to manage their space effeceintly. We listen to pioneers, always."

[dense violet]

it's true. Skill issue supreme

[bright plover]

I'm at tier 5-6 and trying to complete P3, should I invest into a mega-factory or should I keep mobile? The manufacturing process requires different resources that come from different areas, and it's getting harder to connect them into each other.

[dreamy bane]

yeah ada is creative and funny

[fathom shuttle]

Hold on until phase 4

[bright plover]

until completion of p4?

[fathom shuttle]

Until you complete phase 3

[hasty cradle]

Whats considered a story spoiler?

[sterile blade]

Some few people managed to notice the difference when that buffer was changed from 9 to 3 for normal splitters

[wicked nacelle]

whatever you wouldn't want to have known when you were playing the first time 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

The best time to make a megafactory is on a subsequent playthrough when you realize why it's a bad idea but decide to do it anyhow.

[short mist]

Queston can ppl give me what factors did ppl do

[dense violet]

pick a milestone, build a factory to advance.

[short mist]

Thanks

Also queston is mods play with steam satisfactory

[dense violet]

use the mod manager

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[short mist]

Ty

[dense violet]

I highly recommend you play through all the tiers vanilla at least once before moding though.

there's a lot to the game and knowing the basics is really important

[short mist]

U know I ment ideas of what factors so i didn't mean to be rude so I said thanks

My apologies if that sounds rude

[dense violet]

no it's fine. But yeah if you need direction on what factories to build, the hub milestones are a really good guide as to how to go

[short mist]

I do custom factory just I want pics of ideas to make

[dense violet]

ah, well you can scan through #design-and-architecture for that sort of thing. Lots of people post images there

[short mist]

You wanna hear somthing funny I made Amazon factory

It only makes water

[foggy heart]

is there a setting or method or something that removes z fighting? seen loads of vids without z fighting but when I try it, it looks horrible

[willow glen]

It’s mostly just being zoomed out enough to not notice it, combined with small tricks. I don’t know many of them yet because I care too much about Z fighting.
One trick I learned today is 1m walls don’t zfight with beams, whereas 4m walls do

[dense violet]

look up methods on youtube, there's also a mod

[willow glen]

Nudging things a bit and snapping them to something that’s just a hair off the edge seem to be the two I see most

[foggy heart]

havent even gotten to play with clipping builds yet as i cant get past how bad clipping foundations look lol

[willow glen]

I only clip buildables that don’t share the same faces (off by a hair or 0.5m, whichever I can do). But I happily clip into terrain, no real other good way to make buildings look natural

Pillars look neat too but not too many buildings IRL on pillars, and rarely any tall ones

[dense violet]

use concrete or asphalt, hides most of it

[foggy heart]

concrete is what im having the most issues with

[trim vine]

so

I have completed all the MAM research, but did not get an achievement

[shy mulch]

you playing with advanced features enabled?

[trim vine]

whats that?

[true mulch]

AGS

(cheats)

[tranquil hemlock]

If I dismantle the Space Elevator to move it, will I lose the project parts I've already handed in?

[trim vine]

other than some QOL mods, no

[foggy heart]

nope

[tranquil hemlock]

Awesome, thanks

[fathom shuttle]

How are using 1.7m objects in your world 💀

[trim vine]

thats on login, if I am mid building, its around 2

[fathom shuttle]

Also it’s an insane set up, how many PCC and turbo motors are you making?

[trim vine]

PCC?

18.75

[trim vine]

^^^

[fathom shuttle]

What about the turbo motors

I thought you’d be making more PCC tbh

[trim vine]

What are PCC's

Turbo Motors are 18.75

[fathom shuttle]

Pressure conversion cubes

[trim vine]

3?

[fathom shuttle]

Bro? What are you using the radio control units for then lol

I thought you’d be making like 40

[trim vine]

Thats a lot of copper though, but you need em for Turbo motors too, and I could, with the excess cooling systems produce more Supercomputers

but I will say, phase 5 was kind of a disappointment

~660 hours finishing phases 1-4

A single night to finish phase 5

[modest nest]

trains or mk4 belts

[tranquil hemlock]

Me realising just how many things I want to haul from my oil setup back to main base and central storage 🥲

[reef basin]

why not both

[modest nest]

fair enough, Ive found a location that has everything I need closer and isn't much farther away than the origional location so it can kinda just cut the train need out

[shy mulch]

I had 2 things that needed moved a relatively long distance, thought for simplicity just run some belts. Then it grew a bit, then grew a bit more, then grew a lot more, now I've concreted the entire route and have 9 mk6 belts running through it. At this point I wish I'd just set up a train line instead, but we are where we are, no going back now haha

[fathom shuttle]

I’ve got plans for it, though it does look a bit empty

By plans I mean 15/min BWD, automated powershards and that’s pretty much it

[trim vine]

Might be I just overbuilt prior

But literally it took me a single night to finish it

[fathom shuttle]

For now I just need to get done with the turbo motors, nuclear pasta and nuclear power plant

I’ll try to finish the turbomotors today and do the nuclear pasta tomorrow, after that I’ll automate filters and see where to go from there

The nuclear power plant shouldn’t take too long

[shy mulch]

I think if you have phase 4 fully automated, phase 5 basically doesn't require any work at all, just connect a couple outputs, and wait. Little disappointing. I think the phase 5 elavator should have required some ficsonium at least, give you something new to do

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I’m getting the same feeling

For every tier you get some pretty complex items that are completely new, even for basic stuff like aluminum and steel
But with tier 9 you’re just building ontop of what you’ve already built

I should say that a significant part of the complex phase 5 brings is ficsonium but it’s rare for people to go all in on it

[shy mulch]

If the phase 5 elavator required 1000 ficsonium instead of nuclear pasta, that would have made it a bit more involved without making it annoyingly hard to finish

Actually that would only take 100 nuclear pasta to make so might technically be easier, maybe there could have been another part that used ficsonium and BWD?

[fathom shuttle]

Currently dismantling my coal power plant

Sad to see it go, but the turbo motors must be build

I think it’s lake sippy from kibitz videos

[stuck elm]

hey guys, automation fest is here and i tihnk is about time i get into satisfactory, i wondered though, how is the combat and exploration aspect of the game ? or threats? as much as i love to build thing up and setup automation, i need something to keep me going, a threat, a goal, something i can test my mass destruc weapon on, or st, exploration and such? how much of it is the game, if its like 80% build and 20% combat exploration this maybe not for me, i prefer 50 50 60 40 or 70 30

[shy mulch]

1 BWD, 10 Ficsonium, 50 sulfuric acid, 50 nitric acid
= 1 Ficsonium Warp Drive
1000 of those for phase 5 elevator
Would finish the game off nicely and force you to do something a bit new

[fathom shuttle]

It’s definitely less than 20%, and in my experience the mobs are just annoying and not fun to deal with

If you’re looking for a Factorio style defense game then it’s not it

[clever lagoon]

this game gets so hard at elevator 4, its so demotivating :/

[fathom shuttle]

Yea definitely, and maybe sunk for 7m points

[floral oar]

Good morning!
Is it normal that a harddrive can sometimes show up with just one recipe to select?
I know I had the recipe yesterday and picked the other choice so are harddrives always locked to the exact same recipes? O.o I thought it's just 2 recipes randomly from the pool of available recipes.

[hard ivy]

it gives you one recipe when there's only one recipe currently available

[floral oar]

Oh, that's awkward D:

[foggy heart]

adhered irom plate vs recyclled rubber?

[hard ivy]

i'd take recycled

[shy mulch]

Yeah as KYO says, you've only got 1 recipe available. When you go higher tiers you unlock more possible recipes. Keep collecting hard drives you'll still need more later

[silk ocean]

I was hovering and got hit by a drone and it pushed me like 100m XD

[stuck elm]

damm , ok thanks

[floral oar]

Technically ... I can choose a recipe
Then reroll the last harddrive that only has one selectable recipe and get both remaining recipes, isn't it?
Got still 10 harddrives to go so it's a slight bummer that I can't continue researching (though I'm just in Phase 3)

[stuck elm]

do the dev ever plan on add enemies like bandit to steal ur shit ? and u now can legally brutalize them

[true mulch]

no? that doesn't suit this game at all

[floral oar]

They said in a video that this will absolutely not ever come to the game.

[leaden turret]

that's what #1201555265942724758 is for

[foggy heart]

is there a way to change the increment snapping of the beam to less than 1m?

[frail sleet]

holding ctrl might be 0.5

[reef basin]

whichever you need more

[foggy heart]

was hoping for .2 increments damn

[hasty cradle]

Its not really hard it Just takes SO MUCH TIME

Im at 5 now and phase 4 took 40 hours. Phase 1-3 took 20

[modest nest]

Ive spent over 20 on phase 3 so far....

[hasty cradle]

I kinda Just rushed trough phase 3 bc i wanted the phase 4 stuff

[shy mulch]

Why do people rush so much. Take your time, it's a nice game 🙂

There's no clock to race against

[hasty cradle]

IK but i needed power and rocket fuel is unlocked at phase 4

I needed blenders for the alternate

[fluid sapphire]

wiki says
Each Drone can only be assigned to 1 home Drone Port, and that home Drone Port can only be linked to 1 other Drone Port

but what about assigning multiple drones to have the same home port?

basically if i want to have a squad shipping out stuff from the same location, can i do that from one port? or do i need multiple

[stuck elm]

uh.. isnt this for finding ppl to play with, i dont like pvp tho, i do love pve, but oh well i guess this is not for me, i was hoping i can spen 40% going out explore ruins, learn lore, and fight big thing while my factory automate stuff but if its like 90 10 then i guess it is not for me

[frail sleet]

you can do it with one port which has no destination set, but it will back up with traffic eventually (if you keep adding more and more drones) because the drone landing and loading animation takes a long time

long time before that happens though. Just something to be aware of

[fluid sapphire]

thanks, i will try to remember to not add a crazy amount of drones, i was really thinking maybe 2-4 max

[modest nest]

so why is there a belt input on the alien power augmenter

[shy mulch]

for alien power matrix

[modest nest]

huh ok

[fluid sapphire]

can optionally be supplied with Alien Power Matrices at a rate of 5/min to increase the Augmenter's boost from 10% to 30%.

[fathom shuttle]

Bro what

I need 37 manufacturers for the modular engines

[fluid sapphire]

you don't need them xd

[fathom shuttle]

Yes I do

I must. Get. The. Thermal. Propulsion. Rockets

[fluid sapphire]

you want that many, but you dont need that many is my angle

but hey, i havent reached my crazy stage yet

i no doubt will

[fathom shuttle]

You’ll get there

[fluid sapphire]

i did dip my toes with 18 HMF

[rich parrot]

Savage. But true.

[fathom shuttle]

The entire factory needs 34 250% overclocked manufacturers

[fluid sapphire]

jesus, thats so much worse than i thought xd

[fathom shuttle]

125 constructors

All for 20 turbomotors

[eager tartan]

How do i get AI limiters? Wiki just says awsome shop and crafting recipee as "Template:Recipes using"

[cyan imp]

can i just actually ask, how do you keep your sanity when goin through manufacturer hell?

[true mulch]

!wikisearch AI+limiter

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=AI+limiter

[true mulch]

you're on the wrong wiki probably

[eager tartan]

Thx

[true mulch]

bookmark and use wiki.gg only or install https://www.wiki.gg/redirect

[ripe elm]

I have my central storage in de dessert should i keep it there or move it

[true mulch]

"the desert" could refer to the entire northern part of the map

[fluid sapphire]

it wont matter once you have dimensional depot running

[fathom shuttle]

stacking them lol

[green fiber]

You can have 2 central storages

[ripe elm]

I still like the central storage

[fluid sapphire]

well, it wont matter where it is exactly

[ripe elm]

But I make like Factorys for storage near the storage so I need alot of the resources like Quartz etc

[fluid sapphire]

then your question is not really about the location of storage but the location of a big central factory

[ripe elm]

Yes thats a better question

But i wouldnt know where

[fluid sapphire]

i cant offer any real insight for that, i build in a modular fashion, i cant imagine it matters much where a megafactory is exactly though, seeing as you have to ship most things in anyway

[rose lintel]

Can you have more than 1 hub active?

[ripe elm]

So like you dont have one storage place for all items and where do you build most factorys

[leaden turret]

nope, is singleton

[dense violet]

Literally doesn’t matter. They aren’t mechanically useful so why make another?

The only reason to make a central storage in the first place is if you think it’s fun

[fluid sapphire]

not exactly
#screenshots message

[ripe elm]

I like them because it gives the feeling of something central where you can come back

[fluid sapphire]

its just a bunch of smaller buildings, depending on where its convenient to make stuff

[green fiber]

Make a mobile train storage

[ripe elm]

Thats also handy how do you like calculate how much you want of anything

[dense violet]

You can just have a home base. You’ll save way more time just hitting a few factories for parts, or loading a temp train with lots of things than all time you spend building and planning the storage

Plus the travel time you’ll need to travel there anyway

But like I said, if you find it fun? Do it . Pick wherever you like

[fluid sapphire]

i just try to think how much would be more than I need, and scout for spots that have the resources i need for that

[clever lagoon]

It's just the factories get so complex imo

It becomes hard

[frozen cloud]

how hard would you rate phase 5?

*compared to phase 4

[silk ocean]

SCIM is an amazing website, whoever developed it must have put a lot of work into it

[south sinew]

phase 5 is a noticable step up on phase 4, it almost made me use one whole brain cell

[frozen cloud]

i feel like it was easier than 4
curious what others think

[south sinew]

there's nothing difficult about phase 4

[frozen cloud]

alu? turbomotors? supercomputers?

[south sinew]

turbomotors and supers are just the same as every other recipe, build inputs, plug in inputs, easy

[frozen cloud]

so is phase 5 xD

[south sinew]

alu was marginally more challenging but the only thing actually required is to separate the water byproduct correctly

[frozen cloud]

alu is harder than dark matter imo

[south sinew]

The difference in p5 is about how DMR is handled which is a bit more complex

[steady glade]

i mean, lifting a barbell is pretty simple too

[frozen cloud]

turn into crystal then prio merge or sink
oh no how complex

[south sinew]

with alu, you make one setup that is correct, then you're done, but with DMR, maximizing resource efficiency involves linking several setups

[south sinew]

If you want to piss away your diamonds, sure

and also since some P5 recipes are DMR-negative, that also involves pissing away SAM making DMR if you're not interlinking them

[prime jasper]

How do you play around the AWESOME shredder?

I use it to throw all my trash away, but it seems that I have diminishing returns over time.

Do you think I should dedicate factories to making coupons or it is not a good idear?

[south sinew]

comparatively alu is pretty simple because you just separate fresh/byproduct one time and then you're done instead of needing to take a whole-factory overview and potentially wasting some quite valuable resources

[frozen cloud]

hm i see
idk i never thought about it like that because i have 1 main base anyway so its the same for me

[south sinew]

There's not that much from the AWESOME shop which is that valuable, and as you progress in the game, higher tier project parts are worth a lot of points, so there's not much need, you just buy the important stuff pretty easily by sinking SAM from the start or something, then if you really need more, just send some project parts to sink

[frozen cloud]

idk i feel like crystals being a solid makes it 10x easier than alu where the whole issue is that prio mergin fluids etc. is hard

[south sinew]

you don't need to prio merge fluids for alu

just have separate machines that work on fresh and byproduct and never mix fluids

[hard ivy]

A VIP is easy

[true mulch]

what do you need so many coupons for that this is an issue? I just sink overflow and always had enough

[frozen cloud]

yes
you do that because you dont want to prio merge
if it was a solid then youd just prio merge

[frozen cloud]

oh btw what does your vip look like?

[south sinew]

shrug, it's still fundamentally a very easy thing to do in this case

you just don't connect a couple pipes

arguably DMR is only complicated if you care about not wasting diamonds/SAM, if you just throw more of those at the problem, then it's not really hard

[frozen cloud]

even if not
you just combine all the crystals youre making and supplement with new ones
its not rocket science

[true mulch]

not that I actually played any of tier 9, but can't you just plan all tier 9 factories ahead before building them and thus not have to deal with any DMR waste?

[south sinew]

Not.. exactly, since the properties of the system change with each new DMR recipe you're adding, so you can't just handle them in isolation, which is the thing that's really different from prior phases

[frozen cloud]

mine was DMR negative so i had to turn sam into more DMR
it also depends on the alts you use

[south sinew]

if you want to save resources, you use crystallisation rather than sinking crystals, but how much DMR positive/negative you are changes over the phase

[frozen cloud]

checkmate independent factories
main bus wins again

[south sinew]

That's a bit awkward because you still have to build them to unlock the later recipes

[true mulch]

thought so

[south sinew]

I used a centralised factory, but that doesn't change the fact that whether you want to use crystallisation, trap, etc changes depending on what recipes are currently active, which is a bit of a headache

[frozen cloud]

just add a buffer and its fine

[true mulch]

in that case just build spaghetti and rush through T9 just to unlock the recipes and then do it again and properly

[south sinew]

if you rush through T9, you're done with the game

if you want to do it postgame, then sure, you can do that

and I'm not arguing spaghetti isn't a valid solution, simply that it's not a very good one in this case

[true mulch]

nope, you still have to make the project assembly parts

[south sinew]

that's the thing you would have to be spaghetti'ing, yes

[true mulch]

no... you rush through milestones, not through the space elevator

[hard ivy]

Not me having an even bigger mess with tier 9 because I've decided to mod it

[frozen cloud]

its like 100 NQP 100 super osc.
thats spaghettileble

[silk ocean]

Do you folks go on hunting expeditions to gather DNA for tickets, or is there a better way xD

[frozen cloud]

go hunting for hard drives/materials
you get dna as a byproduct

[south sinew]

just sinking SAM and random crap for most of the game gives you plenty of tickets for the stuff that is actually useful

[hard ivy]

Especially if you sloop everything

[frozen cloud]

true

[silk ocean]

Thanks

[frozen cloud]

slooped quantum encoders though

[prime jasper]

I probably never overflow.🫣

[hard ivy]

You need so few project parts that you could probably run it all off power storage

[true mulch]

the worst thing about spaghetting through the game is that it's somehow both faster and easier than playing the game "properly"

as long as the factories are separate, there's no "tech debt"

[dense violet]

You’ll sink pricier items later

[hard ivy]

Yeah, the progression gates are a bit too low imo

[frozen cloud]

is it?
idk 1000 pasta is a lot
you need like 8000 automated wiring?

[true mulch]

you can still do 50% spaghetti for cases like this

[frozen cloud]

i mean its just aimed for the new players
which i get
actually played factorio recently with 100x more unlock cost
maybe the same would be fun for satisfactory?
imagine 5000 smart plating for phase 1 xD

[south sinew]

the issue is that satisfactory is terrible at scaling, 100x for satisfactory would feel more like 100,000x for factorio

[hard ivy]

I should do that lol

Maybe I'd actually automate project parts for once

[frozen cloud]

ye thats true, no quality/better buildings/modules/beacons

[hard ivy]

And limited "productivity"

[true mulch]

it's complicated, I burned out in U4 because I built proper project part factories and it'd take them 40+ hours to make the stuff and I just wanted to be done with the game

[south sinew]

That's not the issue. The issue is that construction is incredibly slow and tedious using the DD compared to what construction bots and much larger blueprints can achieve

[frozen cloud]

i mean pre 1.0 phase 4 was just a "fuck you you wont beat the game" cause early access
theres a reason they reduced it A LOT for 1.0

[true mulch]

yeah, but it shows that raising the progression gates wouldn't solve this

[frozen cloud]

ah thats what you mean
hm true

[hard ivy]

Actually, imagine a million iron plates for "peak efficiency"

[frozen cloud]

hahaha

my base would finish the 25600 warp drives in 10hours 💪

[vernal kelp]

good day

can anyone tell me how to change the type of explosives on the detonator?

[lost gust]

ive been playing a multiplayer save with a mate and we are less than an hour away from finishing the game and we just realized that i wasnt online for some of the milestone completions. any chance anyone has a save file or knows of a file that can help me wioth tier 9 milestiones??

[hard ivy]

Hold R

[dense violet]

Wdym? Achievements or something?

[lost gust]

yep

[dense violet]

Reload old save

Or do save editing

[lost gust]

cant becuase i wasnt online when some of the old milestones were done 10s of hours ago and my mate rewrote the same save

[lost gust]

whats that

[dense violet]

So save edit

SCIM. Save editor

[lost gust]

cheers ill look into it

[ivory condor]

Right, factorio did define the factory building genre and scaling.

[dense violet]

it's almost like they didn't want people to paste the same giant factory over and over and do cookie cutter building when it's a very different logistic style game

shocking really

[leaden turret]

if you want things to build for you, that's what #1201555265942724758 is for

[ivory condor]

People did that anyways, trying to limit or slow down building didn't solve anything

[dense violet]

people can mod and suck if they want

[mortal ginkgo]

How is building slowed down? Using multiple DDs for Concrete for example should solve the issue no?

there are like 300 spheres and 100 is used for research

[ivory condor]

Basically the same anti blueprint discussions of the past

[south sinew]

It's not that I'm saying it's an invalid choice, simply that it also means that it feels like there's nowhere to go after you win the game and not a lot of scope for increasing the demands of players because there's no good tools for meeting those demands

[mortal ginkgo]

I will agree that this game's blueprint system is the lowest part of it

if the intention is "not spam the same factory bro", it fails.

[dense violet]

yeah, they should have made them 2x2 instead

[leaden turret]

• self-imposed challenges
• community challenges
• artsy stuff
• mods

[ivory condor]

Exactly, why I said it solves nothing and players do it anyways

[shy mulch]

I started the game at the 1.0 release, "completed" it in approx 300 hours. I'm now at almost 1000 hours and feel like I've got so much left to do. Anyone who says the game ends when you send the space elevator has zero imagination

[mortal ginkgo]

Ironically, it doesn't stop the factory spamming. It actually impedes good looking factories as we have to make parts one by one in a separate "zone", and hope they all look nice.

[south sinew]

it's not about imagination

it's just that every time I think about actually building something bigger, I then realise it's going to take a million years

although blueprint autoconnect might make building large rail systems more palatable

[shy mulch]

Then don't think about the bigger picture. Just break it down and focus on a little part at a time

[mortal ginkgo]

I am rather surprised how much time it takes to plan the factory first AND decorating it actually takes 90% of the time

[leaden turret]

build smaller

[mortal ginkgo]

It almost feels like something is missing.

[south sinew]

not thinking about the bigger picture is a quick way to spend time on something you'll never finish

not my style

[shy mulch]

I have massive goals in mind for my world, but trying to do it all at once would overwhelm me for sure. I just chunk the planning and do a bit at a time, split it up into loads of smaller tasks, each of which can be done in one sitting. Eventually it will all come together

[ivory condor]

It kind of does actually

[leaden turret]

game has no massive balls, why build massive goals?

[leaden turret]

• golf
• crab boss
• paradise island content

[hard ivy]

My issue with the post-endgame is that everything is extremely expensive and I can't make a lot of it

[leaden turret]

build smaller

[silk ocean]

Every time I zoop I think how the heck did I manage before Zooping xD

[leaden turret]

click click click click click whoops

[ivory condor]

Another issue this game has no post-endgame content, sort of ties into above

[silk ocean]

lol yep!

[hard ivy]

It's been a while since I zooped foundations. It's all BPs now

[silk ocean]

I should get into BPs more yea

[hard ivy]

There's nuclear...

The issue is that if I don't want to do what I've already done before, I have to do Ficsonium. But it's so ridiculously expensive that the power plant would have to be smaller than any nuke plant I've ever built before because I literally cannot afford anything bigger

[ivory condor]

I know, why I haven't touched FFRs

Which is a shame, tier 9 was so disappointing for power

[south cliff]

Is that really an issue? By the time you do what the game tells you to do, you have more than gotten your money's worth from the game.
And it's definitely replayable enough to start a new world after a break from the game

[frail sleet]

mine is like 5km long and sized to only use a fraction of world resources

[ivory condor]

Goes into another problem, no real reason to scale in this game, which kind of defeats the whole the factory most grow genre

[south cliff]

You gotta build pretty big to reach the game's goals though

[hard ivy]

Oh, I've touched them so hard. So hard they're unrecognisable
(See bio lol)

Now I actually have to build them

[ivory condor]

Oh that, thanks for reminding me I still want to look at that

[leaden turret]

I remember the difference it made pre-zooping when concrete stack size got a buff

[hasty cradle]

Its not really harder its Just complicated

Im already using 3 times as much power

And im not even producing that much parts

[silk ocean]

Oh yea lol that too

[slow abyss]

Does anyone know if they are gonna improve swimming in the game?

[hasty cradle]

Why would they?

[slow abyss]

Ngl i feel like a rat without limbs trying to swim

[slow abyss]

Im just curious

It would be nice

[hasty cradle]

I dont think they will

But swimming is really weird yeah

[slow abyss]

Specially at waterfalls

I be swimming in midair sometimes

[leaden turret]

August 13th, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: Will swimming be improved?
https://youtu.be/Jlx5APnwIVk

they did specifically remove a diving puzzle for update 8 // 1.0 I think

[steady glade]

hate that bug where the build menu insta pops and stops you from jumping anymore if you fall in water while building

[steady hemlock]

So do I

Should be able to build in water

[tawdry plank]

You know it's bad when I see pipes going in and out of a building and my first thought was "why did they not use straight piping mode"

[ripe elm]

what kidna factorys do you guys make modular or mega?

[tawdry plank]

The satisfactory brain rot ain't real

[tawdry plank]

Modular with the basic stuff like plates and rods done at the main base

[ripe elm]

also HMF?

[tawdry plank]

Hmf?

[steady hemlock]

Is the travelling system correct? Like is 1km really 1,000 meters in the game?

[undone kestrel]

Yes

[tawdry plank]

Yes

[steady hemlock]

So a train going 120km can actually go 120,000 meters a min

[hard ivy]

I do independency idk which one that is.

[steady hemlock]

Alright thanks

[undone kestrel]

An hour

[hard ivy]

An hour

[tawdry plank]

Yeah it's km/h

[steady hemlock]

Thats is bad, sorry. A hour is correct

[tawdry plank]

120km/hr

[steady hemlock]

Yea, sorry and thanks

[tawdry plank]

:3

[shy mulch]

I want to see a train going 120km/min 😄

[hasty cradle]

Heavy Modular Frames

[steady hemlock]

So I need 6,800 items a minute and Im using trains, would it be better to do 5 trains with 13,000 items or 10 with 6,800 ect.

[tawdry plank]

Ah. Yeah I make enough to go to my depot

I don't make the majority there

But most basic stuff straight into storage and depot

[undone kestrel]

Depends how big your want your train station to be

[hard ivy]

Depends. On a lot of factors. I'll need more details

[undone kestrel]

And also if your train line can actually handle trains that large

[fleet star]

my game crashed and then the crash report panel crashed 🙃

[hard ivy]

Like this #math-and-meta message is how complicated calculating train throughput is

[steady hemlock]

Sorry I’ll go there now

[fleet star]

I think maybe opening satisfactory and then immediately switching over to discord without letting it load caused it

[hard ivy]

It's just a screenshot from my calc. It won't really help you by itself. I'm just saying it depends

[undone kestrel]

I'd say that's generally an over complication though 😛

The formulas on the wiki are all you really need

Or you can just wing it and build a train, see if it works, if not then add more carriages

[hard ivy]

I mean you can approximate much more easily, but as far as I tested it, my calc is accurate

Do you need full accuracy? Not really. But I like having it

Means my trains never have to be fixed

[undone kestrel]

I have no doubts that it is completely accurate but for the average person I think it's overkill lol

Just using the formulas on the wiki I have never had an issue with any trains ever

[hard ivy]

This is basically using formulas from the wiki

I graphed them and made them customizable

Plus it includes both stop settings and both common belt configs. Which the wiki doesn't do iirc

[south sinew]

how do you make those transparent foundations? I didn't see any glass material

[tawdry plank]

It's not a material you can buy those foundations I think

In the awesome shop

[south sinew]

ah glass frame foundation off being its own thing

[tawdry plank]

Yeah I understand the confusion tbh

[steady glade]

when you build factories, do you start with the final item or the starter parts?

[south sinew]

you usually need the starter parts to unlock the milestones/phases first, so

[steady glade]

yeah no i know that

[tawdry plank]

When I plan I start from the end cause it's easier

Then drag the needed resources over

Once I know how much I need

[steady glade]

i see, i'll do that for my next build, or when i redo phase 3

[boreal musk]

plan from end product, see how much resources it needs, find the suitable place to build

[steady hemlock]

Whats the item you put onto a conveyer to see how much items are on a conveyer a minute? Or is it a mod? If so do you know what the mod is?

[steady glade]

conveyour throughput monitor

[fleet star]

throughput monitors are in the awesome shop

[steady hemlock]

Thank you!

[steady hemlock]

Thank you also :)

[vapid girder]

Worth a shot i guess lol

[placid stirrup]

Check their chat history in here

[silk ocean]

Copper Powder is a small nightmare. 300/min of Copper Ingots, per Constructor XD

[placid stirrup]

Honestly shocked you haven't been banned yet, I can only assume you're a scammer since you've been asking to get the game for free for a year now

[hard ivy]

pure copper 👍

[silk ocean]

Ingots? xD

[hard ivy]

yep, pure copper ingot. you'll need less than half the ore

[placid stirrup]

I used alloy in the dune desert, that's a popular one amongst players as well

[silk ocean]

Oh right is that an* alternate recipe? Yet to get that

[placid stirrup]

Both are alts, yes

[viral tendon]

had to get a whole mk 3 miner for 6 limestone per minute ✌️

[hard ivy]

you're just replacing half the copper with iron 🤷‍♂️

[placid stirrup]

Same could be said about water and power with pure. All alts have pros and cons

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone kestrel]

Water and power are infinite

[hard ivy]

pure is 6 ore + 4 water (10 total) to 15 ingots
so it's less than half

[viral tendon]

Everything per minute is finite

Pure recipes are very good but the logistics will suck

[dense violet]

it's a great recipe. Basically free iron to copper conversion

[undone kestrel]

I will give anyone my entire life savings if they can use up all the water and power the map has the offer

[placid stirrup]

Game would crash before you could use all the nodes on the map so you could argue the same for iron and copper, the most available resources

[mortal ginkgo]

water everywhere

[dense violet]

and iron is a trash resource

[viral tendon]

What power?

[viral tendon]

Map is still limited

[undone kestrel]

It's actually very easy to use all the copper on the map

[viral tendon]

Water is resource that you will never run out off

[shy mulch]

I don't think it's possible to use all the water on the map

[viral tendon]

There's more water on the map than every resource combined

[undone kestrel]

All of them

[mortal ginkgo]

I think Pasta needs a lot of copper

[viral tendon]

You will just run out of other resources before water

[placid stirrup]

Power is as infinite as copper and iron

[true mulch]

it depends what you consider "using" a node

[undone kestrel]

I highly disagree

[viral tendon]

How is power infinite

[true mulch]

you can easily "use" all iron or copper nodes to just make iron plates or sheets and sink that

[undone kestrel]

Because you will never use all the power that you can make in the game

Max nuclear + power augmenters is infinite power

[viral tendon]

Doesn't mean is infinite

[placid stirrup]

It's technically not, but your game would stop working before you used up all the power producing resources

[viral tendon]

Nothing is infinte inthis game

[undone kestrel]

It effectively is

[placid stirrup]

It's the same argument for iron and copper so it's kind of a moot point

[undone kestrel]

You're just being pedantic

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you are using "infinity" wrong.

[viral tendon]

Well i know a guy that used 22 millions of MW and then he used 32 millions

[viral tendon]

Def

[placid stirrup]

I'm just answering questions to the best of my ability

[undone kestrel]

If you physically cannot use it all then it may as well be infinite

Same scenario

[mortal ginkgo]

There are buildings that can require 26GW when slooped and overclocked

[viral tendon]

IT'S NOT INFINITE

[mortal ginkgo]

What people are trying to tell you is, the word usage is still wrong.

You can say "ridiculously a lot", but its still not infinite.

[viral tendon]

Yes you can't use all the power, but there's limit to how much you can have

[hard ivy]

It's only 19 TW max. with all resources used. if you actually want something else, it'll be way less. I'm pretty sure you could run out of some resources if you tried to, and in a reasonable amount of time and with reasonable FPS left

[vapid zephyr]

Oh i can damn well use all the copper in this game.

[viral tendon]

Infinite is unlimited

Nothing is unlimited in our universe

[undone kestrel]

Im not talking about copper though