satisfactory

[stone python]

assume any mod that you want them to be able to use, they will also have to install

if you want a mod by mod analysis of if it is actually neccissary, hit up the mod discord

[tardy jackal]

does anyone know how to import blueprints into the game?

[foggy heart]

whats the best alt recipe to use for 50 modular frames per min? the maths is really confusing me

[foggy heart]

paste the blueprints into your blueprints folder, located by your save game folder

[tardy jackal]

thank you sir!

[foggy heart]

C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[quiet oar]

why is there no button to hop off a tractor?

oh nvm i found it lol

how do you drive it though? its not moving

[tranquil hemlock]

Did you fuel it?

[leaden ether]

Probably need to put fuel in it. Hit E while looking at the back of the vehicle to add fuel

[quiet oar]

what fuel does it take?

[tranquil hemlock]

I usually run it off of solid biofuel. I don't know if biomass or wood and leaves work as well

[lucid pagoda]

is there a single downside to cast screws?

[tranquil hemlock]

There's other fuel types when you get oil that the tractor would probably work with too

[leaden ether]

I think you might beable to throw wood in it, coal works, if you click on the little gear symbol on the fuel slot it will show you the list of things it can take

[dim sundial]

7 ghz zen 6 should solve the bottleneck, if you believe the rumors

[leaden ether]

Heh yeah it'll be interesting to see. Hopefully not a 500 watt processor though my GPU is enough of a room heater.

[dim sundial]

really? my gpu is barely pulling 100 watts now

[boreal musk]

wont be able to use aluminum/steel rod recipe into screw

[leaden ether]

Satisfactory is prety light. 200 watts for me RN, 400 in cyberpunk -.-

Actually 225 average for satistfactory

[dim sundial]

i dont think we can

[quiet gust]

have you tried praising hardewr

would you like to see the silliest production chain i have come up with

?

No

its in modeler its the reasources that are silly

i put it in math and meta

[tardy jackal]

if anyone has a second to answer. i posted something in the design thread. not sure if its possible to do but feedback would be amazing lol

[fallen moss]

Chat I know devs are on holiday, but I'm kinda curious if we have any information on update 1.2

[leaden ether]

Huh, well apologies to the guy the other day complaining about wavy tracks, Turns out I hadn't been looking hard enough. There is a noticeable wavyness that can't seem to be gotten rid of like I could in 1.0 :/

[zinc pumice]

@fallen moss 1.1 was JUST released last month... chill

[leaden ether]

It's not hugely bad but it is there

[fallen moss]

Oh, I did not realize

[fathom shuttle]

PCC and FMF successfully automated

[devout needle]

im awake and i have another train question if that makes you feel better

[fathom shuttle]

The manifold will take a long ass time to saturate

Probably like 4 hours and i wish i was joking

[devout needle]

with trains, is there a point to having storage hubs? or do you just make factories, put whatever needs to go into dimensional depot and call it a day, and just have materials go around the different factories

[fathom shuttle]

Yea pretty much

A storage hub is for decoration atp

[foggy heart]

I have my main base in the dune desert, and I wanna build a 50/m hmf factory, which requires A LOT of resources. I can get all the resources from the northern forest/rocky desert, but im wondering would it be better to train the raw resources to my main base and make the hmfs here, or build a factory by the nodes and then train 50 hmfs/ min to my base

[jaunty jewel]

where so trains come into this

[jaunty jewel]

second option will definitely be less of a headache but if yoy want to see the factory then train it over ig

[foggy heart]

I'm thinking it makes sense to build by the nodes, but it doesnt make sense to build a whole train network only for 50/min output

[fathom shuttle]

I have a 44/min HMF and only used local resources. In the dune desert you can build a 100/min factory without needing a single outside resource

[jaunty jewel]

probably used for other stuff

[devout needle]

i answered my own question by typing out the question

[foggy heart]

yeah i dont have anymore coal in dd

[foggy heart]

that happens to me all the time!

[fathom shuttle]

You can set up a belt highway from the 2 coal nodes south of the dune desert

[devout needle]

i was gonna take down some factories and make them all into a big factory but its not worth the effort for right now

[fathom shuttle]

Pure nodes

[devout needle]

maybe in the future

[fathom shuttle]

Are you using any nodes for coal right now?

[foggy heart]

using those as well

im using all the coal nodes in dd lmao

[fathom shuttle]

Hmm then build the HMF factory in the swamp or blue crater

Do you have drones unlocked?

[foggy heart]

no im still at phase 3 lol

[fathom shuttle]

you’ll need a train for the HMF then

It’s easier than bringing multiple different trains

[jaunty jewel]

or a truck

[fathom shuttle]

A train connection to the swamp/northern is something that he will likely need later

Also it would take the same amount of time as building a truck highway

[foggy heart]

i know what I need to do but im really trying to put it off for as long as possible.. I need to redo my entire steel infrastructure and reoptimize it for what I need now but omg

[fathom shuttle]

What do you have built right now?

Idk anything that would use up all the coal in dune desert

It’s like 6k/min

[foggy heart]

uhh lemme think, 25 motors, 20 rotors, 10 stators, 10 aw, i think 20 verssatle fw, 100 cicuit boards, and a bunch of lower tier items

oh and 300 plastic, 300 rubber

some steel pipes, beems, and eib's

[fathom shuttle]

Bro?

[foggy heart]

ye

[fathom shuttle]

That would probably a couple of nodes lol

You need to upgrade your infrastructure to mk4/mk5

[foggy heart]

oh the coal is going to power

[fathom shuttle]

Do you have an oil power plant running?

[foggy heart]

yeah i do

[fathom shuttle]

Rocket fuel?

[foggy heart]

im making 11 160 and using 6500

[foggy heart]

no normal fuel

[fathom shuttle]

You don’t need the coal generators then

[fathom shuttle]

Well you’ll need to upgrade that, as a 50/min HMF factory would use all your power

[foggy heart]

coal power plant is making me 4800mw

[fathom shuttle]

Cursed set up lol

[foggy heart]

so what, upgrade to rocket fuel (can I do that at phase 3?) and bin the coal power plant?

[fathom shuttle]

You can set up a quick diluted fuel power plant for extra power

[gritty sleet]

If I want trains of different lengths to stop at one station, could I hypothetically put a second "station" platform mid-way down (in a spot the first train isn't loading/unloading), so a second train could stop there?

[fathom shuttle]

For rocket fuel you’ll need to wait for tier 7 for the blender

[foggy heart]

ah, what about turbo fuel?

[fathom shuttle]

Not good

[reef basin]

You can also keep old and build new

[foggy heart]

so regualr fuel is better than turbo

[foggy heart]

yeah

[fathom shuttle]

Not quiet, but turbo isn’t worth the effort vs rocket fuel

[reef basin]

Depends wdym by better

[foggy heart]

okay gotcha

so hang on to regualr fuel until rocket fuel

[fathom shuttle]

You can build a very easy diluted packaged fuel power plant that makes 40GW

[reef basin]

imo RF isn't worth doing but you can do whatever 🙂

[fathom shuttle]

Yea but not regular regular fuel, you need to use the heavy oil residue -> diluted packaged fuel

[foggy heart]

is diluted fuel an alt recipe?

[fathom shuttle]

It’s way better that way

[fathom shuttle]

Yea, heavy oil residue too

[foggy heart]

ah i dont have either of those

gonna hand craft stacks of ammo and go lookings for hardrives, thinking about factories now is stressing my out

i usually get to this point in the game and then quit for a few months cz it just gets so overwhelming

[tardy jackal]

should i be out of the world while i do this?

[foggy heart]

no, but i think you do need to either reload your save or restart your game to see the bps inghame

[reef basin]

For basic power you don't really need it

[fathom shuttle]

(Disable hostile mobs) you don’t need that many drives

[tardy jackal]

thank you

[foggy heart]

nah i want the remains for my liquid biofuel

[fathom shuttle]

How much biofuel do you have?

You don’t need that much

[foggy heart]

too much to admit

2 industrial containers of packaged liquid biofuel

[fathom shuttle]

Just turn off the mobs or farm them for points

[zinc heron]

just got the hover pack for the first time

officially at the furthest point ive been
this thing will make this game so much better

[fathom shuttle]

Btw, a 50 HMF factory you’ll need to wait until tier 7/mk5 belts because it’s not viable to do with mk4 belts @foggy heart

[gritty sleet]

Hoverpack is a gamechanger. I rushed it with stacks of stuff from the Awesome shop several hundred hours before I'd properly-automated aluminum.

[fathom shuttle]

Just do a temporary electronics and HMF factory

Rush to phase 4

[reef basin]

Why not?

[zinc heron]

this is only my 2nd world. i think i just made it to the hoverpack phase in my 1st but never built it

[foggy heart]

oh

[zinc heron]

i didnt even know it goes off power not fuel that makes it so much cooler

[fathom shuttle]

Because why would anyone do a project of this scale that would become obsolete after a single tier?

And there are no uses for HMF at phase 3

[reef basin]

Why would it become obsolete?

[foggy heart]

i need hmf for space elevator

[fathom shuttle]

So those HMF factories would be essentially farming points until he gets to deep tier 7

[foggy heart]

for acu's

[reef basin]

And HMF is needed for tons of things

[foggy heart]

yeah was thinking of building it big for now instead of having to build a small one then redo it later

[fathom shuttle]

Mk4 -> mk5 belt is a 1.625x increase so he is essentially losing like 50% of his production because he rushed it

[foggy heart]

but if i cant do it now guss i'll have to build just what i need until i get to higher phases

[reef basin]

But... you don't lose anything

[fathom shuttle]

Like what? In tier 6 it’s literally just buildings

[gritty sleet]

I unlocked it to build my big oil-rig-shaped oil refinery. Would've been awful to build otherwise, since it's in the middle of the water, and also high up in the air.

[reef basin]

Yeah, which is why you make products - so that you can build out of them

[fathom shuttle]

Trying to upgrade the belts of a project of this scale would be very impractical, especially when he doesn’t even need a factory that big until later tier 7/8

[fathom shuttle]

Sir I don’t think anyone need 50/min HMF for building things

[dense violet]

!wikisearch HMF

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=HMF

[reef basin]

Why would you upgrade belts though? Just build it so that you use the current belt tier and then there's never need to touch it again

[foggy heart]

i think the main problem i have is keepinng track of my stuff, like i needed stators a while ago so i built a temp factory for it, then i needed motors so built another stator factory and now im producing an excess of like 30 stators/min and i cant keep track of where theyre all coming from

like i gotta rework my entire factory

[gritty sleet]

The single only place I'm making stators is right in front of my motor assembler

[fathom shuttle]

So you just need 100 for a space elevator part and like 5/min for the dimensional depot?

[gritty sleet]

No need to stockpile them in bulk or anything, just make it part of the assembly chain of something bigger.

[reef basin]

Build what you need now, don't build for future

[fathom shuttle]

Good luck managing at least 5 belts of iron and 4 belts of coal, and all the belts of screws assuming you’re using any recipe that involves screws

[foggy heart]

i struggle with that aswell. If i build something now that produces 5/min for storage and then add it to another line later, then i wont have any going to storage and thats what kinda bother me

[reef basin]

"All the belts of screws"? You just put screw constructors in front of machine that needs it. Super skmple, no managing.

[gritty sleet]

I built an entire factory around the notion of 5 motors per minute and 6 heavy modular frames a minute. That's it. Entire factory built for that purpose, new factory someplace else for another higher-tier item.

[reef basin]

When you build tjinga for storage, you don't touch it later

[fathom shuttle]

You’re still limiting the size of your manifolds to 480/min

[reef basin]

Which is hardly a problem?

[fathom shuttle]

But you still haven’t answered my question, what does he need 50/min HMF for in tier 6?

[gritty sleet]

I just used alts that avoid screws lol, no screws whatsoever in any of my production chains

[fleet star]

5? I think that getting any refining to start will take some time with 5 motors/min

[fathom shuttle]

As a general rule you use impure nodes for storage since you won’t be coming back to that area

[foggy heart]

so what are you doing with the 5 motors and 6 modular frames? storage or feeding to another factory? what if you wanna feed it to a factory that need 7 motors per min ?

[gritty sleet]

Yeah, like into the dimensional depot. How many miners are you building that 5 motors/minute isn't sufficient?

[reef basin]

Idk, people can build whatever. I never said to build 50/min anyway, I was simply replying to your msgs

[fleet star]

Refineries take motors.

[reef basin]

You never come back to any factory 🙂 you build new, never upgrade old. Much easier

[fleet star]

I've made 15/min in surplus for like 10 hours maybe and I'll still run out

[gritty sleet]

For several hundred hours, just dimensional depot, and then overflow into the Awesome sink. But now I'm building turbomotors and flexible modular frames on a new floor, so I just need to run the output up and rework my math in the old factory a little bit to tweak it for what I need for turbomotors and FMF.

[fathom shuttle]

So essentially arguing for nothing, when my original msg said that he should wait before building a big HMF factory because he has no high throughput uses for it

[reef basin]

Or just... not build a big HMF factory at all

[gritty sleet]

(I planned well in advance that I'd be doing this eventually, which is why I had specific numbers of HMF in mind, just that now my plan changed a bit since then - shouldn't need to build any new machines in the old area, just tweak a few overclock %'s)

[fleet star]

Is 50hmf a lot?

[dense violet]

fused frames too?

[gritty sleet]

It's a massive quantity imo

[fathom shuttle]

In tier 6?

[reef basin]

Depends on your playstyle

[dense violet]

7 I believe

[fathom shuttle]

Yea it’s a lot

[gritty sleet]

I'm planning a total of 5 FMF per minute total, for endgame (which I might sloop, but still)

[fleet star]

I have 30/min rn but I only need 360 more pipes to get 60/min lol (HMF I mean)

[gritty sleet]

y tho

[fleet star]

for building

[fathom shuttle]

Belt an iron node over and make iron pipes

[gritty sleet]

I can't say I've ever built so much I needed that many HMF per minute

Or motors, per earlier remark

[fathom shuttle]

You definitely need a lot of motors for fuel generators

[fleet star]

I will build massive things

[gritty sleet]

Yeah, so the DD has you covered, as long as you've upgraded it

[fathom shuttle]

But once that’s done you don’t need anything

[reef basin]

If they want 50 HMF, any time is good to build it. New belts don't change that. I'm not arguing whether it's a good choice or not to build that much

[gritty sleet]

Fair enough, goes with what I've been saying too, I always plan ahead for what I'll need later, so I don't have to revisit old factories.

[reef basin]

You can also not plan ahead and not revisit old factories 🙂

[fleet star]

Would the belts even matter in that case for 50 HMF? If you use the Heavy Encased Frame alt, you can use Mk4 belts the whole way through

[reef basin]

It doesn't even matter which recipes you use. You can even build it with mk1s

[fathom shuttle]

The limit is fundamentally is at the miner level, 480/min miners mean you’ll need a lot of them

[gritty sleet]

True, but I also don't want to build new factories that make the same complex things as the old factories either. My sole exception so far is that my battery factory (for drones) has a very tiny aluminum smelting process).

[fathom shuttle]

Using the default recipe? Lol

[reef basin]

Sure, but there's also a lot of nodes on the map, so that doesn't really limit you

[gritty sleet]

Yep, thought it was cooler than Classic Battery

[fleet star]

I wish I could have crazy fast belts because I just started on aluminum and a 250% boosted + slooped refinery gives 1440 scrap but there's no way to transport it 😞

[fathom shuttle]

Going with that logic it would ok to build mega projects with mk1 belts

But no one does that because it’s a waste of time

[fleet star]

Maybe there's a mod I can try in another playthrough

[reef basin]

It is, I said that above already

[fathom shuttle]

Doing a mega project with mk4 belts is also a waste of time

So simple don’t do it yk

[reef basin]

Gaming is waste of time

[fleet star]

Mark 4 to mark 5 is barely an improvement tbh

Maybe you would save like one of each kind of node

Unless you get through all the resources the map has to offer, the real inefficiency is not using all the nodes in the first place

[turbid badge]

Would it be wise to use all the limestone nodes in the plains area to make concrete? (For the cloud and Encased Industrial Beams and derivatives) I'm on Phase 3 and dunno if I'll use that limestone for something else, I've heard there are more efficient recipes for making other things that involves limestone

[edgy swift]

Yes I know I'm supposed to be in #1201555265942724758 But I need 3 people to help me, I am using AGS and I would like someone to help me build a entire map full off productive stuff or if someone want's to join my current save ig..

[fleet star]

How many encased beams are you trying to make

[fleet star]

^

[turbid badge]

Atm just 3 assemblers making them, one for the cloud and the other 2 for heavy frames

[reef basin]

Just keep it there until yoh have need for it

[turbid badge]

Idrc about the throughput tbh

[reef basin]

If you know it, why don't you use it?

[turbid badge]

But I may be future proofing by processing it all in one place and then just branching the concrete output to wherever it's needed

[edgy swift]

i need people desperatly for this huge project

[reef basin]

Then post in that channel

[fleet star]

So 90 concrete towards encased beams makes 15/min(?)

[reef basin]

I'd recommend to not do that, but it's your save so 🤷

[dense violet]

may make all this concrete with no purpose?

[fleet star]

I would say use an alt to increase the 'value', you get out of the limestone nodes if you use them at all in a true factory, but it's optional ig

[dense violet]

futureproofing tends to be a waste of time and effort since you don't know what you're doing in the future

[turbid badge]

Yeah I'll use the wet concrete recipe

[fleet star]

Creating more concrete for storage isn't future proofing if you need it to build thousands of foundations

[gritty sleet]

I'm almost 700 hours into my current save and am only now building a centralized concrete plant (using my leftover rubber and the alt recipe), just to use up all that extra rubber and have an excuse for another train. But yeah, build concrete as-needed unless you really want to use trains or something.

[turbid badge]

Aight

[dense violet]

yeah but you can do that by just making one node feed a very lare storage system in the background

you would be very surprised how much concrete 1 node can make for storage while you screw around doing stuff

[fleet star]

I have maybe 50k concrete scattered around the world + 120/min cloud storage

It has run out though

[gritty sleet]

This in general though, especially for higher-tier stuff. Like I've only got 1 high-speed connector being fed into my DD (after the rest get used by other processes), and my fully-upgraded DD is full of them now.

[fleet star]

I have an 80 hour save 💀 700???

[gritty sleet]

I am not even close to being an outlier here lolol

[turbid badge]

I'm at 120 hrs iirc

[fleet star]

😵

Rn this is the longest save I've had but not the most progress I've made

I didn't try to push phases this time because I favored getting more done during phase 3

I got nearly 44gw of power from fuel power plants + augmented power

And also some really large factories

[turbid badge]

Maybe me lol, I dedicated a long time to making turbo fuel and I'm not even using a third of what I'm producing in power lol

[fleet star]

Like I have the prep fully ready for 2400/min RIP, but I just need more encased beams to build the BPs for it

[turbid badge]

Still finding sloops to make the augmenter

[fleet star]

I would make another one, but I have 11 sloops available and using them from time to time justifies having at least 4 on hand at all times

[gritty sleet]

Different priorities I guess, but at almost 700 hours I'm only producing 14.2 GW.

[fleet star]

wait what?

[turbid badge]

Mind you this is my first playthrough and I sunk some sloops cuz I didn't know what to do with them smh

[fleet star]

How much of that power do you use? All of it?

[fleet star]

I would say to try the duplication glitch but it's patched 😞

[turbid badge]

At 700 hours I think I'd be using way more

[fleet star]

You're stuck with less now

[dense violet]

1500 for one save? could technically be more since I kinda merged 2 saves together

[fleet star]

(technically you could edit a chest in satisfactory tools to give you more but that's "cheating")

[turbid badge]

They shouldn't let you sink non renewable items lol

[reef basin]

They don't let you do that

[turbid badge]

After 1.1?

[gritty sleet]

I produce 14.2 GW and consume 10.5 GW atm. Haven't done nuclear yet, but Tier 8 is fully unlocked.

[turbid badge]

Dayum

[gritty sleet]

Like I've said, I planned very carefully the whole way along to not overdo stuff and waste time making more than I'd need.

Also I built a ton of trains...

[reef basin]

What item are we talking about?

[turbid badge]

I guess you set a couple of small-medium factories and let them trickle into the space elevator?

[turbid badge]

Somersloops

[gritty sleet]

Yep

Only maybe 1/min of space elevator items the whole way along. I haven't even fully-automated the space elevator stuff, just hand-feed machines a lot of the time, then tear them down and rebuild for the next tier.

Like my HMF factory makes enough HMF to make enough whatever else higher up to make the 1/min of the highest space elevator stuff.

[reef basin]

Not sinkable since game release

[turbid badge]

Weird

[turbid badge]

Makes sense, idk why I wanna automate everything

[gritty sleet]

It's totally fair if you do want to fully-automate space elevator stuff, nothing wrong with that either.

I make heavy use of @reef basin's Satisfactory Tools to pre-plan my production chains before I actually build anything.

[turbid badge]

I know but it never crossed my mind to do some parts of the process by hand

[gritty sleet]

Not fully by-hand, mind you, but harder-to-make precursors go from my DD by hand into a storage container feeding some general-purpose assemblers and manufacturers with the currently-needed recipes.

I figure, since I know exactly how many of that project assembly item I need, I can just hand-feed input whatever number of precursor ingredients I have automated elsewhere and let it do its thing.

[turbid badge]

As I'm building for the next elevator item I make more factory modules that output to storage so that when I build a new module that depends on those items it gets a headstart

Eh everyone plays their game however they like

[gritty sleet]

Yup, do what works for you and makes it enjoyable. No judgement here.

[turbid badge]

I like seeing the items move on the belts and the machines doing their thing

And the satisfaction of seeing my factory (now factories) grow

[dreamy bane]

sometimes i find a crash site with random pieces but no drop pod there.is this normal?

[gritty sleet]

My thing has been choosing interesting locations to build factories for various things. HMF factory is in the rocky desert, oil refinery (which looks like a giant oil rig) on the northern spire coast, computer factory in the titan forest, etc. New factory for each "theme" of items that get made there. Small amount of each thing at each factory gets fed into the dimensional depo there.

[jaunty jewel]

the drop pod may be in a different location, like on a cliff above or below

[dreamy bane]

okay thanks imma look around

[dense violet]

usually above the wreckage you find the wreck

[gritty sleet]

You can unlock finding the drop pods with the scanner in the MAM too

[dreamy bane]

also i highly approve of ur pfp🫂 miku supremacy

[dreamy bane]

got it

[jaunty jewel]

its in the quartz section

[terse kraken]

anyone know how well a train transporting 3600 copper ingots from the rocky desert to the desert would fare?

[dense violet]

fine with enouhg platforms and cars

basically any logistic option can move any volume anywhere when it's set up properly

[terse kraken]

yeah ik just wondering if like 2 cars is enough

[dense violet]

generally you're doing well if you do 1 belt's worth of throughput per platform

[jaunty jewel]

probably not no but why are you limiting how many cares your using?

[dense violet]

that changes with mk6s, then it's probably 1/2 a mk6 per car

[jaunty jewel]

cars*

[dense violet]

what belt speed do you have?

[terse kraken]

im not wanting a massive train station at my base

mk 5

[dense violet]

You'd probaly need 6 platforms then

[terse kraken]

ok

[dense violet]

can always have a Sub Basement where the trains arrive?

[fathom shuttle]

2400/min easily

[dense violet]

build above it

[fathom shuttle]

Split it so that it’s 3k/min on each train

[dense violet]

2400 pm how? with what?

[terse kraken]

well copper ingots do stack to 200

[dense violet]

100

[fathom shuttle]

I did the math wrong lol it’s 1.5k per train

[terse kraken]

ok

[fathom shuttle]

1800

[dense violet]

with how many cars ? xD

[fathom shuttle]

Idk why I’m tweaking rn

[terse kraken]

most everything else does xd

[fathom shuttle]

The standard 4

[dense violet]

that's.. .a wild standard 😛

the 'standard' is however many you need'

[fleet star]

Shouldn't it be 2 cars per engine or something

I pretty much never use trains so idk

[terse kraken]

am i overdoing it on copper ingots also bc i have 0 clue

[fathom shuttle]

It’s new a loco once you get to a multiple of 5 I think

[dense violet]

wait, you don't have a plan that uses that much?

[dense violet]

only if you're going up more than 1m ramps

[terse kraken]

i plan on automating everything in a mega factory

[fathom shuttle]

So 1 for 1-4, 2 for 5-9, 3 for 10-14

[dense violet]

with full cars

[terse kraken]

im just building big places where i smelt everything now so i dont have to do it later

[dense violet]

oh buddy, if you don't plan from the end point of the factory it's going to be a giant mess, and inneficient anyway

[fathom shuttle]

My trains work fine with 2m ramps

[dense violet]

yes, 1 engine can pull 4 full cars up a 2m incline.

[terse kraken]

i can build the factory and learn from any mistakes i will make, and then next time i know better

[wicked nacelle]

empty car is 30t. near empty car is 44t. every stack is 1.75t

[dense violet]

it's not a question of 'mistakes' its more that if you don't build a 'mega factory' from an endpoint, and plan the steps out, it's all a mistake'

[leaden ether]

In a train schedule, if you select to wait for "Wagon is fully loaded", does that apply to all cars on the train? Or just till one of them is fully loaded?

[dense violet]

if you care about efficiency at all anywya

or if it's tidy and neat

[wicked nacelle]

presumably it's for each car that CAN be loaded

[dense violet]

all afaik, which means you want even amounts of the same stack sized items delivered

[terse kraken]

yeah im hoping for efficient and tidy, im planning to section everything out and i'll figure out a way to do it that wont screw me

[leaden ether]

Yeah that's what I was worried about I am currently mixing some high and low volume items. Probably going to have to separate the train into two :/ I want to wait for the high volume items, but not the low.

[dense violet]

that way is 'not a megafactory with no goal'

[dense violet]

if you want to pre empt this problem, make and plan fully the end goal of what you're making per min

[terse kraken]

every item?

[wicked nacelle]

"wait until train is full" isn't really nearly as useful as people may think at first -- it's almost always best to just send the train with whatever is ready

[dense violet]

yes , otherwise how do you know where al lthe belt and pipe space needs going?
what items need to be next to each other?

and let me be clear:

even doing this, and knowing what is going on, and with significant experience - having an efficient and tidy megafactory is a challenge

if you don't care about efficiency or how tidy it is? it's very simple

it's just going ot be somewhat a mess

[wicked nacelle]

you can just put two stations right next to each other -- in fact you can even have them touching... SEFSF (S=station E=empty platform F=freight) and just have the train dock twice

have one of them be wait until full then the next not

[leaden ether]

Normally I never woried about that but I've got three high volume items I need to ship a fair ways, three trains would do it, but if they come into the station one right after another they'll leave with partial loads and then I won't get my throughput. I might need 6 trains if they end up bunching up :(

Making them wait will keep them spaced out at least.

[dense violet]

different stack size?

[turbid badge]

Long sushi belt through the world go brrrr

[leaden ether]

One is a 500 stack, the other two are 200. THe 500 isn't as big a worry as the other two. I need them to be full loads eeach trip though.

[fathom shuttle]

Mk10 belts when

[wicked nacelle]

it will eventually reach equilibrium just like any other manifold system -- if there is an abundance of supply, then you'll be fine over time

[fathom shuttle]

How fast is sprint speed?

[dense violet]

if you fully flood the delivery point before turning on machines, including buffers
and fully flood the loading zone, including buffers you'll probably be alright

as long as your total throughput is ok

[leaden ether]

If they stack up I'll have one train with a full load and two with half loads (if I'm lucky) so the throughput for all of them making a single circuit wil be considerably lower.

[wicked nacelle]

if one train gets "lucky" a bunch then it will fill it's drop off and then it will start to pick up less leaving more for the others

just like a belt manifold system backing up -- just with much higher latency

[leaden ether]

I am buffering but the time it takes to transfer from the buffer to the dock is slowing things down.

[fathom shuttle]

Blade runners + sprinting = 50kmg

[dense violet]

that's why you flood everything first as mentioned

without machines to chew up the parts

[leaden ether]

I think I'l lbe fine with the wait till full, I just need to make those a separate train from the other low volume items.

[fathom shuttle]

You can cover a decent chunk of the map if you can place rails as fast as you walk in 30 minutes

[wicked nacelle]

There is absolutely no reason to "flood" non-liquid parts. You either have enough supply or you don't.

[dense violet]

as you will, but I think you could do it with one

you might just need bigger end buffers of some of the items

[wicked nacelle]

if you don't have enough it will go to zero no matter what. If you have too much it will eventually fill

[dense violet]

but yeah 2 stations is probably easier

[boreal musk]

building mega base is incredibly hard, even with proper planning, if you don't have the skill and patience, you will end up spaghetti the whole logistic mid way

[fathom shuttle]

Like I have lol

[dense violet]

extreme planning

[leaden ether]

Oh wait. THe setting is actually "Wait till full or wait X seconds." If I put 60 in for the wait time, would the train wait for 60 seconds then do the load weather it is full or not? THat would work too as it would allow the cargo container to completely fill.

[wicked nacelle]

you click the "or" and it changes to "and"

[tardy jackal]

anyone know why the blueprints i put in my files arent showing up? i restarted and saved beforehand

[leaden ether]

Oh man, now that's a nicely hidden feature -.- Okay one of those combos has got to work :D

[dense violet]

likely you have spaces or odd characters in your session name

[tardy jackal]

world is called "ALittleExperiencedNow!" idk if thats a problem or not

the file is also a SBP file

[wicked nacelle]

try one without the ! and see if it works

[bitter agate]

Did they put some of the somersloops inside uranium deposits?

[tardy jackal]

do i want to be inside the blueprints file to paste it?

[dense violet]

are you trying to build a BP and no hologram is showing up?

oh get rid of the '!'

[tardy jackal]

I have SaveGame > BluePrints > Blueprints (with the file i want in both the subsection folder and general "blueprints" folder.

[tardy jackal]

doing it now

[wicked nacelle]

@dense violet I already said that

[tardy jackal]

still no luck

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 I'd suggest then

[tardy jackal]

i have a feeling its something in the files im doing wrong. ill post a few SS and see if any of you spots something

[turbid badge]

A nice thing I noticed recently: Blueprints don't sync over Steam Cloud 🙃

[dense violet]

make a post, people with more knowledge will see it

while here and in screen shots it'll just disapear

[bitter agate]

Kinda why you port it to a backup in case

[noble topaz]

well

i went into a area where the object scanner found a bunch of coal, and i wanted to see if it also had water nearby

right after i find the coal deposts, and the water, i get jumped by 5 spiders

[bitter agate]

change the creature mode then if you need to or want to

[turbid badge]

Yeah, learned the hard way

[noble topaz]

cats jumping around are funny, but still scary (cuz they jump)

i cant keep my eye on them

[bitter agate]

Generally local things don't backup like blueprints, Save files (thought they didn't but I guess steam cloud supports it)

[bitter agate]

Turn the hostility down or whatever if you need to

[turbid badge]

They do and settings apparently too

[bitter agate]

I had to backup my main drive like a week back since I hard swapped main PC drives

[turbid badge]

I guess steam cloud is just like Google drive and the devs just tell it where to copy files from and where to paste them after syncing

And in our case they forgot about the blueprints folder

[bitter agate]

Use either a USB or google drive to backup blueprints granted it's not going to load right if it's not meant for the save

[noble topaz]

also W server tag, had to say it

[bitter agate]

The running joke in that server is that the update is in 5 minutes

[turbid badge]

Today I also found out you can buy a boombox. Unlimited swag

[reef basin]

server tags shouldn't be a thing

[bitter agate]

Based but it's a boost feature

[turbid badge]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-i-am-pretend-you-didnt-say-that-gif-20826963

[reef basin]

it's polluting the chat with stuff that makes everything harder to read

[bitter agate]

Can't disable it in servers from what I know of

[turbid badge]

Bruh are gifs canceled on this channel?

[dense violet]

is it just attached to the name? lengthening it?

[reef basin]

embeds are indeed disabled here

[reef basin]

server tags are made by server admins, up to 4 letters

[dense violet]

yeah but do they just show up on your profile? next to your name?

[turbid badge]

Click on the link and pretend I made an epic comeback

[reef basin]

they show up next to name yeah

[dense violet]

right, more random discord gimickry

[reef basin]

see #off-topic-media

[dense violet]

oh I thought they were just adding weird formating

[turbid badge]

Tbh I find them unobtrusive, 4 letters and an emoji in their own box and in a smaller font don't bother me, especially if you wanna let people know about your favorite game or group

[dense violet]

they just just add visual noise

[reef basin]

let me disable it at least

[dense violet]

yeah that'd be nice

[turbid badge]

Ok agreed

[haughty flax]

making a gigafactory, how do people split up the floors, 1 floor of each resource type? or 1 per item, 1 per combo of resources

[foggy heart]

okay so I have an oil plant turning 900 oil into 300 rubber and 300 plastic and the heavy oil residue is being turned into fuel for fuel gens. I'm not using any of the rubber or plastic yet, and im making around 11GW of power (4800 from coal power plant, and i 2 power augmentors) and im only using around 6GW.
I've just got the alt recipe for heavy oil residue, so I can change my oil plant to make 10GW and 150 rubber, 100 plastic.
Firstly, would I need 300 rubber and plastic in the near future or will it be okay if i drop that to 150 and 100?
Secondly, theres no water near my oil deposit so would it be viable to train water to the oil or oil to a water source or is that not gonna work? idk what to do

[dense violet]

do you care about efficiency or how tidy it is ?

[tardy jackal]

@dense violet so it seems like my saved game file isnt popping up. I changed the name in the save. (also made a help post) but maybe you had other trouble shooting methods

[turbid badge]

Make a floor, fit everything you can on it, make a new floor, rinse and repeat

[haughty flax]

probably just how tidy for now

[bitter agate]

Generally like a production chain, also there's multiple ways to go about it. I know Kibitz goes about it in crazy ways and just somehow manages to fit everything into a box

[turbid badge]

I was gonna mention him, I have no idea how he remembers where everything is made and how to route everything where it needs to go
It's large scale spaghetti

[reef basin]

I wouldn't ever use Kibitz as example to follow lol

[haughty flax]

i did see those builds but i assume they need a level 3 blueprint machine, im only unlocked level 2

[dense violet]

you'll have severe issue still.. but doing it by machine type is as good as anything I suppose

[bitter agate]

Nononononono, I'm using him as reference because he goes CRAZY. Mans built a huge tower for production and just jammed it full in his latest video.

[turbid badge]

He goes way overkill for content

[dense violet]

you can make bigger blueprints with mk1 bp machine by just having them in more chunks

[foggy heart]

or should I not do anything and just focus on finishing phase 3

[burnt ferry]

is a node on a truck path carrying the velocity i had when recording it or is it just braking before each node?

[dense violet]

make stuff as you need it honestly
but personaly I keep power and production completely seperate

make your plastic and rubber elsewhere as you need

[haughty flax]

i just finished phase 3, looking at phase 4... made me tear down my entire base and going to restart cause its a big jump up

[dense violet]

that... sounds like a lot of wasted effort

if you were automating everythign you could have jsut connected it up for new parts

add a line of aluminium

and gas

[foggy heart]

Was thinking of doing that now tbh but I'll hold off till phase 4 then

[burnt ferry]

i did like the opposite which was rushing all phases until completing phase 3 and now for phase 4 i started to make proper facilities.. and it feels about right

[foggy heart]

how do I get rid of the polymer resin then?

[dense violet]

sink

[burnt ferry]

sink

[dense violet]

I recommend not. No reason to

[haughty flax]

well its my first playthrough and it was an absolute spaghetti fest, now i have blueprints and a better understanding of the game i can make it way better in a fraction of the time

[foggy heart]

its a mess currently

[bitter agate]

Sink as overflow and water to process it later

[foggy heart]

okay nice

[burnt ferry]

mind you, its always an option to just start a new base from scratch somewhere else on your map without giving up what youve build (and discovered, hdd, slugs, etc) so far

[turbid badge]

If I understand correctly the truck just follows the arrow nodes you recorded doing its best to take the same amount of time between each one (meaning closer nodes=slower, farther away nodes=faster) and brakes for a set amount of time on the pause nodes

[dense violet]

still no reason 🙂 figure out your goal post phase 5 and then build/demolish what you need

[fallow hollow]

Im on tier 5 and 6, what should i use for tickets in the sink?

[turbid badge]

Buy the cybertruck

[dense violet]

whatever you are makign in excess

[haughty flax]

quartz was pretty valuable and i didnt need it so farmed a few tickets that way

[burnt ferry]

its primitive manufacturing.. is worth maybe 10 points when sinking

and then you get the nazi penalty which is 20 points

[turbid badge]

what

[bitter agate]

I think i'm insane for having 6,000 MW of biomass burners and a massive storage silo with overflow storage in case.

[turbid badge]

How the hell did you get that much biomass

[bitter agate]

SLOOPS

[burnt ferry]

you might want to consider packaged bio fuel as its awesome for your jetpack but other than that.. all normal

[bitter agate]

That's the plan, sloops every step of the process

[burnt ferry]

idk. i get so many biomass just by clearing terrain i build on, i only slope my powerslugs and dna facs

[bitter agate]

That's a main base thing, I'm making this act as a battery and kickstarter

[burnt ferry]

but im not consuming that power.. dont even know how long ittl last.. currently i have 2 big storage containers full of leaves and wood

[bitter agate]

*Note I haven't touched coal power and I may not at this rate

[burnt ferry]

we just discussed this the other day and kinda concluded on, if you know the numbers youd probably skip coal altogether and go for oil right away

[turbid badge]

The good thing is that you burn as fast as you consume

[bitter agate]

Ehhhhhhhh, my numbers on Biomass right now is around Mk4 belts so yeah

Would be able to process 600/min on bio fuel but I don't have the pipes for that

[burnt ferry]

i mean. you dont need 600

[turbid badge]

Just use 2 lines of mk1 pipes

[burnt ferry]

its for the jetpack only... which is not used when your near a power outlet

[bitter agate]

*Just realized that... I don't want 600/min of containers though

[burnt ferry]

if id have to specify a rate, it would be biofuel per day (irl days not ingame days)

or per week even

[turbid badge]

Does liquid biofuel burn slower than normal fuel on the jetpack?

[burnt ferry]

ye

[turbid badge]

But you also fly slower vertically right

[foggy heart]

Okay how about this, I change my current oil plant (no water nearby) to just produce power, I have 1 big container of plastic and 1 of rubber filled up so that should be enough to finish phase 3, right? then when in phase 4 I'll have a better understanding of what I need going forward

[bitter agate]

Kinda why i'm mass producing it as well, cut the power from biomass array to main grid and not consume it when main power is online.

[turbid badge]

I'm making around 7.5GW on gas and 65/min on plastic and rubber each, packaging the extra fuel for trucks and my jetpack and I'm almost gonna back up 2 large containers, train wagons and the train stations with plastic, rubber and packaged fuel

[burnt ferry]

yes but practically speaking that doesnt really matter.. as you want to go more horizontally and here its about the momentum in the moment you jump.. so when i want to reach higher plateaus.. i be running and then just run tangential to the platform im standing at and then go round it in circles, for some reason this seem to translate into less consumption while going up, although it makes no sense physically..

but the way i use it the most is to travel LONG distances.. like i get to some plateau which is very high somehow then i make out a target by whatever means and just jump into that direction... then i slightly tap my space bar every now and then to maintain height.... this seems to be the most efficient use of the jetpack

[bitter agate]

Refining before I even have a stable power source, Classic me

[burnt ferry]

thats where coal is kinda useful.. i hate that the batteries dont charge on bioburners... i believe it was different in update 5...

[bitter agate]

It's more of a time waster now, my biomass burners are running at base coal plant MW rating

[turbid badge]

You don't gotta worry about that when you get oil tho

[burnt ferry]

ye as long as you sink the byproducts... its not as complicated as getting rid of watter for alu

[turbid badge]

If my math is right I'm gonna double the GWs when I get turbofuel running

[bitter agate]

Oil is just making sure nothing backs up, you cover your bases then you're fine

[south elm]

Getting rid of water from ali is putting a lot of coal plants next to refinery, not the most elegant solution but as long as you have the coal it's the most reliable option

[burnt ferry]

not a bad idea.. as long as theres enough coal

[turbid badge]

Ive heard of people using the extra water on wet concrete and sinking it

[haughty flax]

wet concrete into the sink, job done

[burnt ferry]

i mean.. dont let you guys distract you by that.. its not a big deal to just reuse the water.. or like the one youtuber does, have one refinery run on the extra water only and the rest on the other resource

[bitter agate]

that's why pure recipes are nice, kill the water byproduct while also taking resources and throwing it onto a belt somewhere and making sure it has an overflow to a sink

[burnt ferry]

its really not a big of a deal, just might take some finetuning.... id say the coal generator is still good as the power it generates will be consumed surely, so you arent wasting anything

[south elm]

Water should be that once resource that you can just flush automatically by simply putting an output pipe into the river but I guess the code for that would be disgusting

[burnt ferry]

ye its true, but you still need energy to both transform the water and then sink it

[reef basin]

people use the extra water to loop it back into the production 🙂

[burnt ferry]

whereas the coal generator is equally simple but generates power instead

[reef basin]

loop back, recycle 🙂

[burnt ferry]

so while transforming and sinking always is an option, its surely the worst

[bitter agate]

I've seen pure silica production and I still want to not know

[burnt ferry]

ye thats what i said.. its not as complicated to justify the effort in transforming and sinking it as reusing dont need any extra buildings at all

coal generator generating power generates power, so thatd be good.. but sinking is really a bad idea for that water

[burnt ferry]

guess what.. im using the alu scrap recipe that generates silicate as a side product and reuse that along with the alu recipe that uses silica

[south elm]

Reusing everything is neat and all but at some point it makes mess everywhere

[bitter agate]

Aluminum is cancer to look at sometimes

[bitter agate]

Welcome to the advanced production chains, Nuclear is MUCH worse

[burnt ferry]

said the guy who complained about alu a second ago

👹

[bitter agate]

I don't like looking at complicated things sometimes

[south elm]

Aluminum provides a lot of very cool logistic challanges imo its very easy to clog it in every step of the way so it feels nice when it works smoothly

[burnt ferry]

ye it has good motivation to look into alternate recipes also.. as there are multiple viable paths

you might want to use the water for sulfur acid and then use leached copper ingots recipe along with copper alu casings and make batteries with the rest of the acid

[south elm]

I personaly mine brauxite and put it into rafinery i build on oil islands, then transport the solution via train into more clean rafinery to the main base then use the water for plastic and rubber from fuel waste and overflow on coal so it feels nice seeing all of that not fall apart

[burnt ferry]

(although as far as i understood batteries make no sense anymore.. but they do good for my drones

[bitter agate]

*don't just go on a path just because, research what you need before you actually gather those resources and assemble the production
This is why people jumped the gun on Nuclear back when and now they're going on about going full nuclear and recycling but there's not enough to recycle it all.

[burnt ferry]

if nobody tries out things just because nobody will find out stuff about the game.. so i cant agree fully although i see where youre coming from

but its too close to 'dont use it, its not meta' for my taste

[bitter agate]

Someone says 1TW Nuclear build i'm going to have questions, all i'm saying. I've ran the numbers and it's too much waste per minute to even deal with it all

[burnt ferry]

but it follows the same false logic.. the reason why this is popular is because people jump so easily on it.. hence i say i cant agree fully as i think wed agree on the preconditions

[bitter agate]

New things are nice, we need more people doing newer things in the production chains though like late game power augmenting seeing how much is actually worth while

[haughty flax]

has anyone done a no-belt speedrun of this game yet?

[chrome glen]

Why would you

[burnt ferry]

ye absolutely.. im coming from diablo4 where - contrary to the previous diablos - all the meta builds were mostly crap.... and whenever youd try to discuss about things off meta on reddit or discord, too many people jumped in and called it crap simply because it wasnt following meta.. it was such that even I - who usually is not the meta player - was able to find combinations of skills that beat the meta

[chrome glen]

Atleast in factorio you can jank up different methods with inserters, such as wagon buses or whatnot, here its just handfeeding hell

[burnt ferry]

@bitter agate i ordered that example specifically for this chat 😂

[bitter agate]

Yeah I had a streamer screech at me a while back when he was spamming generators like there was no building limit, he learned and I saw a video tilted something along the lines of making a clean save

Overclocking is just something I do because I know there's a cap, ImKibitz plays modded because of that cap usually

[reef basin]

the "cap" can be increased without modding

[fallow hollow]

refined or raw? sorry if this is a stupid question lmao

[burnt ferry]

no question is stupid

[bitter agate]

I'm not touching my game files ;-;

[burnt ferry]

response can be

[fathom shuttle]

What are you guys gonna play after you finish your olaythrough

[reef basin]

it's literally a configuration file that is supposed to be edited

[foggy heart]

so the bolted iron plate alt just uses more resources? thats it? not up side?

[reef basin]

upside is faster production per machine

[burnt ferry]

its faster, no?

i use the plastic or rubber ones .. as i have lots of extra plastic and rubber

[foggy heart]

yeah okay so the upside is that saves space

[reef basin]

tbh even smaller nuclear setup makes you more power than you'll realistically need, so power augmentation is imo not needed. But yeah, if you want to do it, go for it 😉

[fathom shuttle]

Use stitched or adhered

[foggy heart]

dont have

[reef basin]

use any recipe you want

[burnt ferry]

ye adhered++

you can go screwless

[bitter agate]

*I had a test save for it, I ran the numbers and it left a few sloops left that were able to be used strategically but not spammed

[foggy heart]

one of my hd choice is between automated speed wiring and diluted packaged fuel. both seem useless

[burnt ferry]

lul

[fathom shuttle]

Just leave it then

[foggy heart]

and no rescans

[reef basin]

no alt recipe is useless

and the diluted packaged fuel is part of most oil efficient route to make fuel

[fathom shuttle]

It takes it out of the pool in the next hard drive you unlock

[burnt ferry]

ye dont pick a recipe just for the sake

youll get the ones you want faster that way (what bookie said)

[foggy heart]

its diluted packaged fuel, i thought the diluted fuel alt was the top one?

[bitter agate]

Good for early game with no blenders, just a heads up

[burnt ferry]

check the rates if you cant see an obvious advantage/difference

[reef basin]

they have same oil->fuel ratio

[foggy heart]

damn it. should have thought of that when I had like 15 hds waiting for me

[fathom shuttle]

How long would a manifold of 24 assemblers consuming 29 FMF and 58 RCUs take to get going?

[burnt ferry]

usually one recipe is faster or slower then or the ratio could be different as welll

sometimes you have to consider ratios across two recipes as they only are better when using both in conjunction

[fathom shuttle]

PCCs are so slow dawg 😭 😭

This is what I get for forgetting to set up a ISC for the RCUs

[burnt ferry]

like the solid steel recipe makes a lot of sense with the pure or leached iron ingot recipe... the base iron ingot recipe wont make the solid steel as good

[reef basin]

depends on a lot of factors. Seems like the simulator I've made shows ~5 hours to 100%, at ~2 hours there's already most machines working at 100%

[fathom shuttle]

I’m gonna sloop the RCU manufactures then

[fathom shuttle]

Can you do a sim for 85 RCU and 44 FMF?

Consuming 29 FMF and 58 RCUs still

[foggy heart]

#screenshots I see, thats a lot of machines

[autumn turtle]

when pumping water out of a water extractor, where is the 10m decided from? the output port of the extractor?

[reef basin]

you can do it yourself

[last jackal]

The outport sounds about right.

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill

[last jackal]

It's never not going to be hilarious for me that you can go -100m from a pipe, and bring it back up 105m. And that is still within "10m" head lift.

[bitter agate]

You may want to cut the rate down btw, a 600 pipe of oil can make a TON of fuel. Think if I know my rates right you can make a full pipe of oil into nearly 100GW if you process it right.

[foggy heart]

wow next hard drive gave me heavy encased frame or automated miner

[foggy heart]

holy crap

[autumn turtle]

ok bet. this whole pipe stuff still breaks my brain every time.

[reef basin]

that's how it works irl

[foggy heart]

the sc i sent is only making 30GW

[bitter agate]

*I Guestimated based off the last fuel build I did

[last jackal]

Is it? Still sounds rather weird in my head 🤔 ...

[foggy heart]

why tf would anyone take the automated miner alt over literally anything else

why does it even exist

[bitter agate]

No slapping the workbench when you want to have them right in the depot

[reef basin]

to automate portable miners?

[sterile blade]

More than good' ol' balancer, for sure :P

[last jackal]

I guess pushing by power, it will do better than pulling power 🤔 ...

[bitter agate]

Water towers are best towers

[reef basin]

water towers are pointless complication of fluid system

[bitter agate]

I still find it funny, seen it a few times even on large builds

[fathom shuttle]

Broken on mobile rip

[reef basin]

what's broken?

[fathom shuttle]

The webpage for the manifold calculator

[reef basin]

yeah, what's broken there?

[fathom shuttle]

Can’t scroll down to see the results

[reef basin]

press the hide button

[autumn turtle]

Big text block sorry...

Keep in mind this is what I'm planning based on just mathing it all out. I might be overkilling tho. idk.

Fuel Generator setup - produces 200 plastic/min and 100 rubber/min as byproduct of the polymer resin byproduct
2 pure nodes cranking 3200 fuel/min
Power needed - 268.62mw
22 refineries at 250%
Power needed - 2216.06
16 blenders at 200%
Power needed - 3000
12 WEs at 250%
Power needed - 806.4
Sink
power needed - 30mw
Needs 6321.08

Coal Power Setup

900 coal and 150 Sulfur
Totals of each, 750 coal and 300 Compacted Coal 25/3.5min
    CC 21 at 200%
        3150mw
        1890 water at 90 each
    C 20 at 250%
        3750mw
        2250 water at 112.5 each
    Total WEs needed - 23 at 150%
        786.6 mw
    4 mk2 miners at 250%
        201.6 mw
    6 slooped assemblers
        360mw
        
    Total power 6900
    Self-sustain 1348.2
    Usable 5551.8
    after APA placed - 6656.98

[fathom shuttle]

Oh I’m dum lol

It shows 15mins after the added throughput that’s pretty nice

[autumn turtle]

i mean math checks out all in all, but like, i'd hate to do this just to turn around soonish to have to do turbofuel. and later rocket fuel. future proofing fun 🥲

[bitter agate]

It's called fun so to say. This is why i'm making a Biofuel setup not even placing down a coal generator

I'm also not near Blue Crater currently and i'd rather do that with trains online

[autumn turtle]

lol. but like, biofuel is limited to how many trees you chop

[bitter agate]

Sloops are key

[autumn turtle]

oh i'm not near blue crater either

[bitter agate]

It's pretty much the spot for fuel setups since it has most everything nearby

[autumn turtle]

pretty much. i'm trying to save going there for when i get rocket fuel unlocked

which i'm surprisingly close

but turbofuel doesn't outclass fuel in my location at the moment

[bitter agate]

I'm skipping the painful things, and going straight for the cancerous production later on

[autumn turtle]

smart honestly, but like, i know I'll have nothing but time so i'm doing painful things to make progresion easier later

cause who doesn't want 3200 fuel/min right?

[shy mulch]

I make/use more than that, and there's plenty people who make/use even more than me. There are some wild fuel generator builds out there

[autumn turtle]

yea but i'm still gauging how much I need at my current stage

i barely squeaked to where I'm at by myself

[shy mulch]

How much power you NEED is surprisingly little. But a lot of people take joy in massively over-generating

[autumn turtle]

i mean, i plan on overproducing everything at a certain point, but baby steps for now. i just want a coal setup to self sustain and run the bare bones of the fuel setup. i'm even considering going to blue crater early for turbofuel right now mainly cause i crunched the numbers and i realize that if I decided to go to blue crater, i could theoretically crank more power. gotta work out cost balances to do that as well.

i'd go from 16,000 free mw of power with coal supplying the the fuel setup to 37600 free mw but haven't figured out cost to run that setup. mainly due to the daunting 7853mw of just inline stuff. given it could easily self-sustain itself, but i like risk mitigation

[shy mulch]

are you near to unlocking rocket fuel?

[fathom shuttle]

Pressure conversion cubes, fused modular frames, and super computers are all successfully automated

This took so long bruh

[shy mulch]

yeh it's a fair bit of effort

[fathom shuttle]

6.5m/min points

Should be around 9-10m/min once everything gets saturated

Now I can move on to nuclear pasta and turbo motors

After that the most daunting project of all time, the nuclear power plant

[sterile blade]

You spelled "load-balance" wrong in your nickname

[shy mulch]

For finishing the space elevator, I got a billion micro-factories producing individual things, I had to do a lot of manually moving products from one place to another place, and ended up just using a ton of drones as a "shortcut", and it all turned into a bit of a riot
Decided to focus on power for now, close to finishing my APMs, once that's done I'll be doing just short of 1TW, then I'll spend a bit of time making that part all look nice.
Then probably take a break from the game for a few weeks to let my head cool down.
When I come back my goal will be to make a useful global transport network.
Once that's complete, I'll tear down all the micro factories and figure out a better way of doing everything, with a focus on BWD for sink points

[jaunty jewel]

some people "over generate" and actually use it all, which terrifies me

[shy mulch]

haha yeah, those people generally power shard everything, I prefer to underclock and make loads of buildings 😛

[fathom shuttle]

I’m planning to use all of the power I’m generating alright

[jaunty jewel]

i "over generate" and use power shards everywhere yet i still never come to a point where im worried about my power grid (although i did manage to use 40gw before phase 4 before)

[fathom shuttle]

So I’ll probably have like 100 particle accelerators for diamonds xD

I’ll overclock them too for even more power consumption

[shy mulch]

At the point in time when I completed the space elevator I was producing about 120GW and using about half of it

[jaunty jewel]

i need to replay the video game

[autumn turtle]

nope. i just cracked enough into finishing t5 and t6 fully but the factories i have still are just like pre-tier5 ones still. i've been doing quick setups and want to get more permanent solutions before pressing into the next bit

[random sage]

How do I unlock the cyber wagon?

[shy mulch]

Rocket fuel is a lot more efficient, take that into consideration when deciding what you consider a "permanent solution"

[shy mulch]

Sink a coupon

[autumn turtle]

i mean i have to complete this phase still and don't have any factories designed for that yet. i know it's more efficient and the end all be all solution, just a bit difficult to decide what to do with what i have until then.

[sterile blade]

Then sink a cyber-wagon and make a black hole

[autumn turtle]

i very much value a slow, steady, and efficient way to push

[shy mulch]

Fair enough 🙂

[fathom shuttle]

Uh guys it’s hitting 8m/min in

Golden nut is gonna be so easy bruh

[shy mulch]

Yeah it doesn't take that long once you're nicely scaled up

[autumn turtle]

plus being located just at the wedge of the rockydesert and north forest with no trains setup too makes it hard to justify the travel to the blue crater right now. coal seems to be the optimal power solution right now since i'm barely cranking 1.3gw with biomass burners

[fathom shuttle]

Each coupon takes 15m rn lol

I need like 1k more coupons

[autumn turtle]

but me being me i wanna use it to self sustain itself and run the bones of the fuel/turbofuel setup

i might simply cave and do fuel setup tho honestly.

revamp later

[rigid raven]

should i use turbofuel over normal fuel if its only 6 extra generators out of around 90-100

[shy mulch]

should be a lot more than that

[fathom shuttle]

Oof the 20/min silica shortage I’m facing is kind of biting me in the ass right now

[rigid raven]

im bottlenecked by only having around 720 ore max in the area for compacted coal

[fathom shuttle]

Also I can finally use mk3 power poles

Let’s goo

[shy mulch]

if you can make enough compacted coal, turbo fuel will more than double your output

[rigid raven]

i can make 1920 fuel as opposed to only 768 turbo fuel

[shy mulch]

what recipe are you using?

[rigid raven]

diluted packaged fuel for normal fuel, turbo heavy fuel for turbo fuel

[shy mulch]

ahhh ok, yeah that's way less efficient

use turbofuel alt

6 fuel + 4 compacted coal = 5 turbofuel

[rigid raven]

i am

can i post a screenshot of my satisfactory modeler in #screenshots

[shy mulch]

so how does 6 fuel = 5 turbo equate to 1920 fuel = 768 turbo ?

should be 1600 turbo

you're using "turbo heavy fuel" alt, not "turbofuel" alt

[rigid raven]

ah ye i dont have a blender yet

[shy mulch]

make everything into fuel first, then use turbofuel to turn that into turbo fuel

why do you need a blender?

you do that with refinery

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Turbofuel

[rigid raven]

so i should use the default turbofuel recipe then?

[shy mulch]

the one that's called "turbofuel"

[rigid raven]

ah alr ty

[shy mulch]

make all your fuel the way you make fuel already

then use that to turn it into turbofuel, and you'll more than double your output

[rigid raven]

ye thats waybetter tysm

[jaunty jewel]

better in #math-and-meta

[reef basin]

use whichever recipe seems best to you 🙂

[south elm]

i just unlocked alternate recepie that makes 260 screws a minute with one constructor and some steel. I feel cheated, i dont know all alternate recepies by heart i just discovered it what is this op thing

[shy mulch]

Screws are life

[leaden turret]

screw is helix

DNA is helix

DNA is life

life is screwed

[south elm]

one recepie that with some steel makes as much screws as like what, 6 constructors

crazy !

[alpine barn]

why does everyone hate making screws, i never got that

[south elm]

if you want a good output of heavy modular frame you need literal thousands upon thousands of them

[willow glen]

it’s not making them that’s the issue, it’s belting them

[south elm]

+1

[leaden turret]

#screenshots message

[willow glen]

Looks like enough for 2 heavy modular frames per minute

[jaunty jewel]

because they cant handle managing throughput

[alpine barn]

okay, fair XD

[torn forge]

Imagine an underwater expansion

And space expansion with meteorites🥹🥹🥹🥹

[leaden turret]

just play subnautica
official dev response

[south elm]

i'd love fauna and flora expansion with possibility of terraforming and having fun with gardens but that is like, not what this game is for sadly. It even makes a joke how sulfur for farming organic stuff is useless lol

[leaden turret]

there's mods for adding arbitrary plants, but that's for visuals not for gardening/harvesting

there's also mods for farming

[torn forge]

Played that but still I’d like some more stuff to the water since it’s just there without a function except water extraction

[south elm]

not too big of a fan of mods but yeah, they wont make it offical if any expansion whatsoever

[leaden turret]

vanilla farming would require some sort of fertiliser, <@&370483737957236737> refuses to comment on whether Lizard Doggo has a butthole or cloaca, so no idea where we'd get fertiliser from.

[south elm]

how do you tame lizard doggos anyway

[leaden turret]

berries

[torn forge]

Compost I guess😅 made from things like leaves

[south elm]

you just approach them with berries?

[torn forge]

You drop the berries stand still and wait for them to eat it

[south elm]

how to drop a berry tho

[late heart]

With empty hands

[south elm]

wdym empty hands im confused

[torn forge]

You go into your inventory and then then you drag it out of your inventory

I think I don’t remember tbh I finished the game alr

[south elm]

thanks! I didnt know

[torn forge]

Make an enclosure tho otherwise you’ll never find them back

[steady glade]

also, have a berry in your hand if you wanna lead them around

[small bear]

My favourite Part of satisfactory are the Power plants honestly

[shy mulch]

Agreed, making power is fun

[clear snow]

Is there an addiction help section? Do we have HR? I think I need help lol I streamed 13.5h then 12h then 16 hours 3 days in a row. All of which is just building a central storage. I think I need supervision😅 im addicted

[jaunty jewel]

occasionally

[shy mulch]

That's not addiction, that's efficiency. You have had a microbreak, perfectly sufficient for pioneer survival. Now get back to work

[steady glade]

Ficsit Inc. mandates 15m breaks betweeen 2 shifts, if anything, you should work harder

[jaunty jewel]

15 minutes is far too long

[shy mulch]

15 seconds is about right

[jaunty jewel]

still too long, try 3

[clear snow]

I will make up for it on my next shift

[rich ivy]

so

question about the new photo mode: when i use the dolly feature it keeps locking on to whatever comes across the camera and i dont want it to do that

can i turn that off or no

[prime crane]

hello guys. i was just wondering, how many uranium cells you can get from the alt recepie "infused uranium cells" that consumes only 5 uranium

[shy mulch]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Encased_Uranium_Cell

[prime crane]

thank you

[burnt ferry]

check #screenshots why is it so hard to attach the signal on the other side of the track? im trying to snap it on the right side but it barely does that. snapping in the middle is no problem though

[fluid sapphire]

scroll wheel sometimes works to change the side

its a bit unreliable in my experience

those tracks are super close together

[burnt ferry]

this only works for tracks as far as i have seen.. signals snap onto both sides, but with such 2 tracks they prefer to snap in the middle for some reason

[naive pendant]

Super close tracks likely complicated getting the signals to go where you want. Maybe demo it on more spaced tracks.

[tawdry plank]

same here power is the most consistent part for me

[burnt ferry]

the signals should work the way i plan to put them, i just cant put them 😂 but ima try to delete one side and see if that helps

[naive pendant]

Do signals still swap sides based on where you look on the track? Maybe it’s different now that you can place signals not on rail ends.

[burnt ferry]

hm.. even with one track only.. it seems as if the game assumes a wrong direction.. but the track it is merging into is going in that direction and 2 trains already use that

[burnt ferry]

ye they do but i looked everywhere... its already hard to do on the straight track you see behind.. but on this segment it seems impossible

[reef basin]

also better is to make these in #1038092680493801533 instead of spraeding across multiple channels

[naive pendant]

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the rail stuff is extra janky, buggy these days with the 1.1

[burnt ferry]

i now deleted the left segment and it still wants to snap the wrong way

[naive pendant]

Welp you know what to do…

time to swap everything else to that direction of signal haha

[burnt ferry]

it seems to be caused by the track not laying on some foundation

[rich parrot]

When you place a signal, it allows you to place another on the other side of the rail. Then you can delete the wrong one.

[shy mulch]

just an idea, no clue if it will actually help or not, but maybe put the track and signal in a blueprint then place them in 1 go?

[burnt ferry]

wow.. that was easy.. thanks @rich parrot

ah.. apparently the signals also snap easier where they are connected... so if i split up the segment, i can make myself a snappoint

[burnt ferry]

damn thats tiring.. i hope the whole transport system gets a big overhaul at some point... moveable truck track nodes (or simply place them like buildings), builtin two track lanes that will always maintain the same minimum distance and then builtin switches and builtin multiplatform stations.. connecting two facilities can take longer than building each and you dont even feel like youve done something because the majority of the time is not creating but modifying

i think at some point a 2d isometric construction perspective is unavoidable 😂

[foggy heart]

If I have a factory producing 10 items per min and the input is 120 per minute, but being the input is being trained over from somewhere else, my output should still be 10 per min, right? the factory might shut down while waiting for the train but it should even out over a period of time, right? Or am I missing something?

[burnt ferry]

like in civilization where you can turn off all the 'good looking' stuff but have a board game like simplified view instead

[south elm]

i've been placing rails for 2 hours now trying to connect middle of the west shore with the desert and im starting to lose my mind

[burnt ferry]

no... if the intake per minute is greater than what you deliver there will be a pause and thatll reduce the output

[reef basin]

yes, it will even out (if the train can carry enough)

[burnt ferry]

only if the necessary input for that output is always available there will be no interruptions for the 10/min

[foggy heart]

no well thats why im gonna match the input. So the factory at location A intakes 120 per min, and the factory at location B is producing 120 per min, it should be fine? right?

[burnt ferry]

a train station allows you too keep transport running (e.g. when you deliver stuff to more than 1 station) even though one station is full.. if youd had belts and splitters one full consumer will block the entire belt.. the train wil ljust deliver nothing and go to the next station

[reef basin]

yes

[burnt ferry]

if you have enough train to deliver the 120 then yes. but that shouldnt be an issue with trains

for that number at least

[foggy heart]

okay cool

[burnt ferry]

if the delivery isnt stuck (put a sink) you can see the delivery capacity per minute at the station

[south elm]

i need a train that just puts rails in front of it

[eager tartan]

If I fill the inputs in the machine manifold goes to, it will operate at max efficiency after that right

[burnt ferry]

you say manifold so its likely that the line will be blocked but in theory yes

thats the gist of the difference of transport based delivery vs belt based... belts can block if one consumer stops producing (and therefore consuming).. trains will continue delivery

[fluid sapphire]

just dont fill the last 2 machines and you're set

[reef basin]

if you fill the whole manifold, yes
if you fill just that one machine, it may stagger for a while before running at full speed

[tawdry plank]

i usually pre-fill the manufacturers making simple items before turning on the final machines

to have it ready for full production

[rich parrot]

You could make a simple BP with rail bits. The you could just keep on building with the "Bluprint (Auto-connect)" mode. Quite fast and easy to spam lots of rail.

[burnt ferry]

i take out the stuff from the first buildings and bring them to the last ones by hand 😂

[fluid sapphire]

counterpoint. if you fill ALL the machines, you might get stutters on the machines that are providing the input, skip the last 2 and everything will run smoothly

[burnt ferry]

i have maxed out my dimensional depot.. i can place 4 blueprints before i have to wait my steel beams will be refilled

[reef basin]

not really, the belts provide enough buffer

[burnt ferry]

second that.. belts dont care about overflow.. you may have a segment with a too slow belt instead ( @fluid sapphire )

[fluid sapphire]

in a perfect world where you turn on all your machines at the same time, sure.

[rich parrot]

Sounds like you just need to place more depots, so you get steel faster.

[reef basin]

in practically any world

[burnt ferry]

i can also put sojme beams in my inv upfront.. just saying, theres things to consider when blueprintin railways

[burnt ferry]

there is no stutter caused by filled belts.... your issue sounds either a wrong output belt on one machine or simply too little input

[fluid sapphire]

maybe

[burnt ferry]

and dont mistake me.. i dont care ifyou fix it.. just dont tell others things you dont know really 😂

[tawdry plank]

guys i took an accidental 6 hr work break earlier (sleep) how do i repent to ficsit for taking an unpermitted break longer than 15 seconds

[boreal musk]

play 25/7 for 6 days

[fluid sapphire]

was just going off what i - at least thought - i experienced recently, maybe i came off a bit hostile somehow idk, im kinda shit at expressing myself sometimes

[tawdry plank]

with overtime too

[tawdry plank]

best not to worry, meaning can get lost through text

at least in my case it happens quite a bit sometimes

[marble matrix]

do creature corpse disapper?

tjhey are in the way

[shy mulch]

yes in like 20-30 seconds

[tawdry plank]

Sometimes it feels even longer with the radioactive hogs

Those really don't wanne despawn sometimes in my world

[flint grail]

Is there a way to get push notifications for Discord while keeping the game open?

[boreal musk]

they do despawn longer, i think it took around 10-15 sec

while other small creatures despawns faster

[tawdry plank]

so it wasn't just my mind playing tricks

genuinely thought i was going mad last fight with them while the stingers were jumping me

[boreal musk]

thats why i always have inhaler in my hand when trying to grab its remains

[foggy heart]

is there a way to edit a tractors path? or do i have to record the whole path again?

[dense violet]

You can delete nodes, but not move them

[tawdry plank]

@fluid sapphire yep that plant in screenshots is the one plant that you cant destroy still. most others became destructible in 1.0/1.1

i found that out in a totalxclipse vid

and since coffeestain is in vacation now since 1.1.1.1 launch till late august, i doubt they will release any updates to change that

[south elm]

dear me there are FIVE resource nodes of uranium on the ENTIRE map? ._.

that isnt a thing i wanted to find out

[tawdry plank]

i only found 2 in my save yet

tho to be fair i still haven't unlocked the scanning uranium thing

[south elm]

i just pulled out the interactive map cuz i was kinda tired of looking for it

[tawdry plank]

one in a cave and north of the grass fields biome

[tawdry plank]

understandable tbh. it can be a pain to find all useful nodes

[south elm]

i was 100% sure there will be a lot of uranium on the desert without knowing it was so scarse so i build like half of a map of rails to the desert and there is ONE unpure one there

and only two normal ones are next to my base ANYWAY !

hells ass

[tawdry plank]

i need to find a spot with pure iron nodes and just make a big factory for all my iron items for the depot including the iron pipes and stuff

since i started having issues with the depots not keeping up while constructing

[fluid sapphire]

cool, fair enough, i will just wall my basement in, in that case

[tawdry plank]

it should be fixed next update but since they're in sweden they get long summer vacations

and most of the team is not working now

[fluid sapphire]

i will have hidden it and forgotten about it by that point, its no big deal 😃

[tawdry plank]

me when i covered my old spaghetti factory with foundation and just built the new one on top of it

[split trench]

Is there a Q&A site ticket for this issue ? if yes could someone link it ?

[tawdry plank]

no clue i just joined yesterday

still figuring out this discord

[hexed phoenix]

By the looks of it - then its this one -> https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/66edcf8c772a987f4a8bd2a6

[split trench]

ty

[shy mulch]

I thought those ones could be destroyed too. I wouldn't try because I like them 😄 But I thought it was possible, maybe I'm wrong!

[tawdry plank]

they used to be destructible at least according to the post

until 1.0

idk i only started playing in 1.0

[hexed phoenix]

To be fair, the screenshot doesn't have enough nobelisk

I'd say its most certain indestructible if it ain't dead by over 9000 Nuclear Nobelisk 😏

[tawdry plank]

that is the amount i use for one stinger tho. maybe double it

for the plant

[south elm]

Hell i havent even put togheter a single part of phase 4 and i feel kinda burned out

[jaunty jewel]

take a break

[tawdry plank]

yeah best take a day or two off

i took a day off last week to go to the pool and after that i had more energy to continue my factory without feeling as fatigued

[hexed phoenix]

Take a break, or go explore for Mercer Spheres/Somersloops or get some Harddrives..

Good part about Satisfactory, this ain't a speed contest or anything :)

[tawdry plank]

dont tell ficsit tho i never take breaks obviously

[tawdry plank]

brb getting to phase 5 in under 2 hrs just cause you said it's not about speed brb

/j

[hexed phoenix]

Ficsit does give micro breaks.. at least once per playthrough :D

[south elm]

Ada will forgive us I play productive packer deluxe on company time and she havent noticed

[jaunty jewel]

thats one too many

[tawdry plank]

the only permitted breaktime activity besides coffee and/or food

[jaunty jewel]

the water in question

[tawdry plank]

that line is my favourite together with the notification when you play too long and they say they dont prioritize pioneer health

[ripe elm]

can someone help me in my dm?

[jaunty jewel]

the line when you unloco rebar gun (?) is peak

[south elm]

My favorite ada line was choo choo mothefucka when you unlock trains it was so crazy

[jaunty jewel]

says something like "youve earned yourself a break....... and welcome back!"

[tawdry plank]

i forgot the line

[tawdry plank]

yep that one is great

[jaunty jewel]

i can say with 70% confidence that its rebar gun

[tawdry plank]

Ada totally isn't exploiting us

[shy mulch]

there are no silly questions, just ask here 🙂

[south elm]

I felt kinda sad when she talked shit on me when i unlocked hazmat suit it was mean

[hexed phoenix]

Well .. Think about it .. Where does the 118 Drop-pods come from 🙈

[south elm]

'Saving humanity', girl, i have a colour palette for computer parts factory to figure out, priorities.

[jaunty jewel]

most pioneers are running on coal power already something like that

[ripe elm]

alright so i want to makle an facotry with circuit boards, ai limiters, oscillatos, high speed connecters and computers whats like the best production rate i can get for these and tthe best recipes its just for storage

[jaunty jewel]

what do you mean by best

[ripe elm]

to like utiize the recource nodes

[jaunty jewel]

well then it depends what recipes tou want to ise and whay resources your prioritising

please dont mind my english

[shy mulch]

you're unlikely to need to store many. you can make enormous amounts of them if you really want to, but there's no need. best is to work out what you need first, then just create that

[ripe elm]

caterium computer is a must

[foggy heart]

one of my tractors keeps loading at a station that its not supposed to, it just needs to pass by that station and i dont hit load when recording the path

help

[hard ivy]

it has to pass far away from the station then

[silver pollen]

And you'll be definitely using distilled silica recipe for maximum quartz output

[tawdry plank]

shhh dont think too much bout it

[mortal ginkgo]

make sure no truck station is on its path. Game is extremely wonky about tractors and their shenanigans

[jaunty jewel]

what about caterium computer makes you want to use it?

[foggy heart]

ugh

[hexed phoenix]

You can use website tools like SF-Tools - Select the objects you want as output, or select the Input you have avaliable, and select maximize output for that selected Input.

Its great for combining various products

SF-Tools -> https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[foggy heart]

what a mission

[silver pollen]

Simplest in logistic and resources amount

[ripe elm]

no plastic and cables

[hard ivy]

cheap, easy, and quickwire is used for HSCs and AI Limiters anyway

[jaunty jewel]

i was asking him specifically but okay

i understand why its a good recipe

[south elm]

Man speaking of computers I'm so overwhelmed by putting up super computer setup togheter like ughhh

[jaunty jewel]

well it still uses rubber which is a petrochemical product

[south elm]

So much of everything to make like atlest 5 of them a minute

[jaunty jewel]

so if oil was what you are trying to avoid then caterium computer isnt gonna work

[ripe elm]

i have rubber and plastic set already for it

[jaunty jewel]

that makes sense then

[ripe elm]

i got like a rubber and plastic factory

[silver pollen]

You can always avoid plastic via alt reciepes

[hard ivy]

it's not that bad
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=HPYCCy8ziHsxpY0NRKvg

[south elm]

Did you just put a setup that requires 36 manufacturers put one to another telling me it's not that bad

[ripe elm]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5dD2fUSCEBP4Em4p5Cgy
this is my current

[hard ivy]

I don't see any issues with 36 manufacturers

[jaunty jewel]

15 supercomputers is quite a lot so just downscale

[ripe elm]

can even overclock

[jaunty jewel]

why is it using alumina solution

[ripe elm]

forgot to turn it off

[jaunty jewel]

is that a desing choice or

[hard ivy]

like I have 130 in my 1.1 world. and I still haven't even completed phase 4

[hard ivy]

bolted plate? ew

[south elm]

I should focus on unlocking all those alternate recipes most advanced setups use them on literally every step

[jaunty jewel]

a lot of the alt recipes in phase 4 are too important for me to pass up personally

[ripe elm]

what recipes can i use for this

[hard ivy]

stitched or adhered

[south elm]

I kinda gave up on looking for hard drives after I found pure aluminum but I guess I'll need more

[viral tendon]

What do i do if only 4 my nuclear power plants are working, they use only 1 rods per minute but i make 1.5, 2 of them are full but 2 of 6 aren't working, they have no fuel

[south elm]

Are there even enough hard drives on the map to unlock all od the alt recepies?

[viral tendon]

Take a wild guess

[jaunty jewel]

give them a minute

[hard ivy]

there's like 5 more than you could posibly use

[viral tendon]

I gave them more than an hour

[jaunty jewel]

are you sure the rods actually go to them

the belts are connected right

[hard ivy]

my nuke plant would've taken 2 days to fill if I didn't turn off the water temporarily

[viral tendon]

Yeah, i took 50 out of one full power plant and splitted all of them, they started working and then boom

[south elm]

If I had to make a wild guess I'd say that alt recepies are actually somewhat random and vary per playthru but i know that it's unfortunately not true

[jaunty jewel]

vary per playthrough how

you think they differ through playthroughs? like one time you get recipe x and the next you get recipe y or something

[south elm]

I mean I know they don't but I thought they do

[shy mulch]

I always assumed the order they appear is random

[jaunty jewel]

random based on what stuff you have unlocked yea

your not gonna get cloudy diamonds recipe in phase 2

[shy mulch]

well yeah, it's not gonna give you things you haven't unlocked 😄

[south elm]

Yeah like make it total rng on numbers like once you can get 4 x to 10 y and on another 3 x to 7 y

[reef basin]

any

[south elm]

Obviously within specified parameters random that still make them anyhow useful

[shy mulch]

Ooo just checked on SCIM, I've hit 50k foundations. What's everyone else's total?

[jaunty jewel]

let me go check

[hard ivy]

unless it's wet concrete. then you can get it before you have refineries

[hard ivy]

20k for now. but still in phase 4

[jaunty jewel]

and steamed copper sheet, rigor motor, insulated crystal oscillator and a couple others i think

[tawdry plank]

9k for now

but im only in the start of phase 4

[shy mulch]

I assume it bases what's it can give you on the product, so it gives you that because you can have concrete, even though you can't use it yet without a refinery. Should probably be reported as a bug tbh

[jaunty jewel]

23k at the end of phase 4, but i have 10k walls and 2.5k roofs (dont ask)

[shy mulch]

to keep warm

[jaunty jewel]

surely

[hard ivy]

I'm assuming it's all set manually but idk

[shy mulch]

Also possible, we'll probably never know 🙂

[tawdry plank]

there are more than enough hard drives in the world so i'd not worry about missing any recipes

[boreal musk]

it shouldnt be included in the pool since refinery is locked until phase 3

[tawdry plank]

as long as you collect them all ofc

[jaunty jewel]

same wit hmanufacturer

[shy mulch]

Easy way to check, brb 🙂

[reef basin]

each alt recipe has a set of prerequisites to appear. It's not anything linked to a product or anything, it's just "hardcoded" dependency on a schematic (milestone)

[willow oar]

It's an impression or my hyper tubes are slower and slower the farthest to an entrance ?

[prime jasper]

I have a docking station for truck that does not want to load trucks, but it is alimented in electricity, contain several stack of products to expediate, is alimented by coal as a fuel source for the truck but when i press F with the truck nothing happens. I can provide screen. Can anyone help me?

It is weird because it worked ONCE then never again

[foggy heart]

god tractors are so weird

[ripe elm]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=awA4jajXdW7Usp9ReqUn
can someone help

[tawdry plank]

you can add loops with entrances to cannon yourself further if it gets too slow

[shy mulch]

I have a "challenge" save where I'm trying to complete the MAM while staying in phase 0
In that save I have all hard drives and scanned as much as I can, and wet concrete is not in my list when I press O and select concrete

[prime jasper]

the setting of the docking station is "vehicule loading"

[hard ivy]

it unlocks with coal power