satisfactory

[tawdry plank]

"i can do both. i can be your boytoy i can be your bride"

dont ask me why that came up in my mind rn

[undone lichen]

Do yall prefer glass frame foundation or concrete foundation

[tawdry plank]

comcrete

[unkempt blade]

asphalt for my skyroads and concrete for my factories

[tawdry plank]

asphalt for conveyor bridges between factories

prob also for trains later on

[undone lichen]

I guess im a weird guy then

[lofty forge]

glass frame more cuz i like it when things are see-through

[unkempt blade]

the important thing is does it spark joy? if it doesn't spark joy then throw it out!

[south elm]

I mean when i boot up the game and i see how cool the buiding in the title screen looks i want to do stuff that looks good but then i put a pillar that pisses me off cuz it makes a belt have to turn or clip thru and I decide that most beautiful is just a plain gigantic platform in the middle of the air

[undone lichen]

Same

Love seeing stuff move on conveyor belts

[unkempt blade]

the important thing is that you're having fun!

[tawdry plank]

it's easier to build like that with blueprints cause you can lay out one wall in one click and remove it in one too

that's how i'd do most decoration with pre-built blocks

[undone lichen]

Is there like any way to get rid of that middle beam thing on glass frame foundations or am i stuck with it

[south elm]

My issue with walls is that everytime i put them they last like couple of hours before getting destroyed anyways cuz I really love expanding

[tawdry plank]

just make your factory with enough empty space to be expanded

[south elm]

There are folks that feel actual pain when they see floating platforms kind of bases but man do they make life simpler

[tawdry plank]

or make it so that you can expand it sideways in chunks

in like sections

[undone lichen]

Or add more floors

[tawdry plank]

requires a lot more pre-planning and thinking the layout out but it can work if you want it expandable

[tawdry plank]

noway that makes it seem like a 3D factorio /s

[oak hinge]

#screenshots message
This is why i use modded blueprint designers xd

[south elm]

Im very vertical in my bases actually

[oak hinge]

This is maybe like 50-60% finished in terms of building count

[south elm]

I have more towers than factories for stuff honestly

[undone lichen]

How tho

[south elm]

My steel parts and copper parts setups are literal towers

[tawdry plank]

it's just a joke of how people call it factorio with verticality. /s is for sarcasm

[oak hinge]

Look at the thing i sent errnst xD

[tawdry plank]

since i obviously dont mean it's just 3d factorio

[oak hinge]

It's a fuel powerplant that can also produce plastic and rubber if the fuel isnt used for power

It's nowhere near finished ofc

[south elm]

But why tbo

[undone lichen]

Oh

[oak hinge]

But it's uh somewhat large

[undone lichen]

Sometimes jokes fly over my head xd

[oak hinge]

90GW of fuel power or 3600 plastic + 4500 rubber a minute

[tawdry plank]

meirl. that's why i use tonality notations like /s /j /srs

[oak hinge]

Uses all the oil on the oil islands

[tawdry plank]

for sarcasm, joking and serious respectively

[tribal elk]

#satisfactory-memes message i like the see-through, i hate trying to jetpack through them

[tawdry plank]

to clarify

[south elm]

My brother in christ why do you need more than like 200 plastic a minute

[undone lichen]

Didn't notice them lol

[south elm]

Bro is making global crisis on yet another planet

[undone lichen]

[oak hinge]

For making more than like 4 parts per minute of other stuff????

[tawdry plank]

the more you know :>

[undone lichen]

Or haha big numbers go brrrrrr

[oak hinge]

Have you seen the phase 5 part recipes

[tawdry plank]

i already use 180 a minute plastic for my stuff so i dont doubt ill need more soon 💀

[oak hinge]

Also mostly this is for the power

[south elm]

No i haven't actually and i honestly dont think i want to see them thank you

[tawdry plank]

from computers to the circuit boards etc

[oak hinge]

Lol

[tawdry plank]

10 nuclear pasta a minute factory when

[oak hinge]

Ballistic warp drives for example are uh quite resource hungry

[lofty forge]

how the hell do you get that much stuff from just the oil islands what.

[south sinew]

diluted fuel

and also the pressurised oil node

[oak hinge]

Heavy oil residue -> diluted fuel, it triples the amount of fuel or plastic / rubber you get from crude oil

[south elm]

Btw my explorer may or might not fucked off of a cliff, can i like get it back so it doesnt bother me on a map or nah

[oak hinge]

It's 2700 crude oil / min, turns to 7200 fuel / min

[south sinew]

use save editor

[undone lichen]

Other than screws what are the other parts that people generally hate/avoid?

Still sort of new to the community

[oak hinge]

Which i can turn to either 90GW of power or 3600 plastic + 4500 rubber / min

[tawdry plank]

alternate recipes are a blessing

[south sinew]

screw hatred is kinda overblown

[oak hinge]

Screws are OK now tbh

[gritty spire]

ight i cant do this anymore. i got my whole entire factory shutting down. i have enough power and my max consumption doesnt go over 300 (my limit

[oak hinge]

Computers needing screws was the worst

[modest nest]

should I have multiple items feeding into the same dimensional depot?

[tawdry plank]

you can hide it from the map and compass

[lofty forge]

i used all of it up but i am only getting 50GW and 1200 rubber/oil. guess my setup is just inefficent

[south sinew]

no

[undone lichen]

Yeah im using them on my wip heavy modular frames factory

[oak hinge]

You're getting 50GW AND 1200 rubber / plastic

[south sinew]

either you're not using diluted fuel or you didn't also tap the pressurised node or you didn't overclock it

[south elm]

My bet is like any space elevator parts all of them are a pain

[oak hinge]

I'm getting 90GW OR 4500 rubber and 3600 plastic

[lofty forge]

ah

[oak hinge]

I'm not getting power and materials at the same time

I'm building the plastic / rubber stuff because i can use that to get plastic and rubber when i have nuclear set up

And it's only 240 refiners to get that

[tawdry plank]

even after all upgrades you still have enough mercer spheres for 100+ depots so you should be safe having 1-2 depots per important item

[oak hinge]

I like to do 2 upload depots for some items like concrete that are needed in insane quantities

[modest nest]

sweet thanks

[oak hinge]

Concrete, steel, and iron plates are the ones i have 2 upload depots for iirc

[modest nest]

all I have to do is collect every mercer sphere on the map now

[tawdry plank]

for me it's concrete, steel beams, iron rods, plates and encased (for conveyor mk3)

that i have 2 depots on

[oak hinge]

I just always use mk6 belts because they're legit cheaper than mk4 or mk5 ones xD

[undone lichen]

Aren't encased for mk 4?

[oak hinge]

Yes

[tawdry plank]

you can use radar towers in game to see what area still has mercer spheres once you start struggling to find them, or use scim site and paste your save on it

depends which you prefer

[tawdry plank]

whoops i forgor

[tawdry plank]

still no mk6 belts for me yet

[undone lichen]

I use only 1 depo for all my factories as of now :p

[tawdry plank]

mk5 belts are so pricy tho 💀

[modest nest]

Oh shoot really, I thought radar towers just revealed the actual terrain on my map

[undone lichen]

Might change in the future

[tawdry plank]

no they reveal the hard drive, slugs and the nodes. they dont reveal the location of the collectibles tho

just that they are in the area

[modest nest]

That is sick

[tawdry plank]

the nodes are visible on the map at all times as long as the radar is powered

it's useful if you wanna avoid the interactive map

[modest nest]

Yeah I was just going to say Im probably just going to use the interactive map

[tawdry plank]

but the map is useful to plan out your factory and also edit some stuff out like death crates in the void etc

[modest nest]

yeah Ive been also using that factory calculator from that same website

[tawdry plank]

i still placed the radar towers cause i like seeing the nodes in the ingame map

[tawdry plank]

i use satisfactory modeler on steam cause it works better for me

[modest nest]

I look at what ores I need and how much and then look at the cloest spot that has all necessary resources within a reasonable range

[tawdry plank]

and also my factories are getting big 💀

[gritty sleet]

That bug seems to still exist where switching power grids with the hoverpack makes the power briefly blip and all the machines on that grid go yellow for a few seconds...

[modest nest]

I just finished phase 2 💀

Ive got a long way to go

[lean ferry]

I got to nuclear

[reef basin]

their calculator is pretty crap imo

[lofty forge]

have you started planning things out on how many nodes you have at that area yet?

[lean ferry]

then my freind decided to make battery factory near water bauxite and sulfur

[modest nest]

any particular reason?

[undone lichen]

I regret marking resource nodes on the map ever since i learnt about radio towers

[lean ferry]

he forgot coal existed, couldnt be asked to get it and then stopped playing

[undone lichen]

3+ hours wasted smh

[tawdry plank]

i just started phase 4 im not far off

[lean ferry]

so im on my own now and I gotta start new save 😦

[tawdry plank]

tho phase 3 took me a while 💀

[lean ferry]

eyy random point out but nice tds

[reef basin]

there are some mid-late game productions that it straight up can't show, as it can't deal with loops or byproducts, which is big part of mid-late game SF

[tawdry plank]

this game is the only game i've seen majorly benefit from a plumbing manual 💀

[undone lichen]

Thanks mate

[tawdry plank]

the plumbing manual genuinely saved my last braincells

[lean ferry]

oh btw quick question

[modest nest]

ah well once its unsatisfactory I'll swap but its working fine for now

[lean ferry]

if im doing a coal powr plant better load balancer or manifolds?

[undone lichen]

Used to love the game, but eh it shifted more to grind than strategy now

[grizzled lotus]

I dismantled my train station and freight platform, but when rebuilding they don't make that snapping sound. Do I have rebuild the attaching railways or can they snap without the sound?

[reef basin]

you can check others in #welcome

[undone lichen]

Depends on how patient you are

Do you over clock the generators?

[lean ferry]

no I mean i can keep on standby till they filled up

[modest nest]

sick thanks

[lean ferry]

is there a mod to have like a manifold with a load balancer

like lets say its a splitter with 240m in can I change to like 225 out one side and 15 out the other

and then I can keep repeating that

[lofty forge]

stations snap and connect to other stations. not to railways

[undone lichen]

You basically mean conveyor valves?

[lean ferry]

yea pretty much

like a manifold but u can choose the ratio

[reef basin]

modding server is in #welcome but it's not really needed given that manifold will stabilise

[gritty spire]

ok yea so my coal plants have max water and the conveyer is full of coal and all plants have max coal. I jump the plants and get them running and then connect everything back and it works but after a few literal minutes, it shuts down again. im stuck. plz help 🙂

[lean ferry]

it becomes a pain when making big factories it takes like 1/2hrs of uptime to stabilise

[grizzled lotus]

funny thing is that the freightplatform seemed to snap, but it didn't make that sound

[lean ferry]

when you have like rlly big factories

[tawdry plank]

yeah just let the manifolds saturate then you will be working at max speed

[modest nest]

Im just now realizing I can dismantle the hard drive wreckages for resources

[tawdry plank]

i stopped using load balancers once i figured that out

[reef basin]

I mean it also takes 1/2hrs to build rest of the factory, so it works out 🙂

[lean ferry]

fairs

[undone lichen]

Try using mk 1 belt on the belt that splits off into the genereator, then split that 60 item per min belt into 4 gens

[tawdry plank]

it wasn't a thing till like 1.1 so i didn't either till the update

[lean ferry]

im probably gona use load balancer for like rlly big and slow items, like nuclear fuel rod

[tawdry plank]

for those it's kinda needed

[reef basin]

and even if you don't want to fill it up while building - it's not like you have to actually wait for manifold to fill up, you can go do other things

[lean ferry]

it would take like 2 days of uptime to saturate 8 nuclear power plants with nuclear fuel rod

[tawdry plank]

at least from what i've seen

[modest nest]

ah thats why I just started playing again, I got to nuclear in update 8 but decided to restart recently

[reef basin]

eh, hard disagree

[lean ferry]

to saturate 8 nuclear power plants

[undone lichen]

Imma try to load balance eveything except liquids and gases

[lean ferry]

patience final boss right here

[undone lichen]

Personal challenge

[tawdry plank]

it depends how long do you wanna wait for max efficiency

[reef basin]

you do direct input instead

[reef basin]

direct input 🙂

[lean ferry]

? idk what that is srry

[tawdry plank]

now that is... a commitment

[tawdry plank]

so real

[lean ferry]

wait like by hand

like literally going up to it move from inventory

[reef basin]

you connect machine making fuel rods to the gen directly, 1:1 (or 1:2/1:3, whatever the ratio is)

[lean ferry]

fairs but

im probably gonna overclock 1 so i can sumersloop

its a waste of sumersloop if I just make a bunch

[reef basin]

then the ratio changes 🤷

but you can still do direct input

[lean ferry]

cuz the thing is

im probably gonan overclock anyways

[modest nest]

better to use sumersloops for power or production multiplier?

[rose lintel]

My assemblers are running pretty low efficiency. Even after upgrading screw conveyers to lvl 2 it only bumped it a tiny amount. Do I need 2 screw machines dedicated to an assembler?

[lean ferry]

if I have to sumersloop 2 manufacturer

[modest nest]

generally speaking

[tawdry plank]

alright i yapped here for so long my pioneer died

[lean ferry]

then its gonna be expensive than just 1 really overclocked and sumerslooped

[tawdry plank]

see you lads back to getting all somersloops off the map

[lean ferry]

mb gng

[tawdry plank]

brb

[lean ferry]

what u making?

[tawdry plank]

what you makin

[lean ferry]

if its reinforced plates u need like 3 constructors they are hungry for screws

[tawdry plank]

you only need 2 for stock reinforced i think

[modest nest]

hehe I love using nobelisks for combat

[undone lichen]

I like watching load balancers work tbh

[rose lintel]

Reinforced plates and rotors

[undone lichen]

Especially when i manage to make them extremely compact

[lean ferry]

the more the merrier

[lean ferry]

yeah nah u need way more

[tawdry plank]

i made my iron items factory with load balancers but i cant be arsed to make my others with that 💀

[lean ferry]

I killed like 5 stingers with one it was so funny

I just realised

I can make auto sorting storage

[tawdry plank]

cluster nobelisk go brr

favourite item in combat

[rose lintel]

What do you mean?

[tawdry plank]

not even the radioactive hogs can resist 3 cluster bombs to the face

[tawdry plank]

more screw manufacturers

[lean ferry]

go into ur assembler and look at screws, it will say like 100/m or smth for screws

[tawdry plank]

your conveyor speed aint the limit but your production

[lean ferry]

if you check ur constructor it makes only 40/m

[tawdry plank]

you need to produce way more screws

[lean ferry]

so you need more constructors to merge into that assembler

[reef basin]

well the thing is:

• you'll most likely never run out of all resources on the map
• you'll most likely never run out of power

so neither of those are really helping in any way. I'd personally use them for production doubling, as it can save you tons of building (and resources) when used to late step. But in the end it's your choice

[modest nest]

I got a nuclear nobelisk from a lizard doggo before I had the detonator unlocked lmao

[modest nest]

fair enough

[reef basin]

depends on recipe

[lean ferry]

btw do u guys think I should play solo or with a random group

[reef basin]

if it's your first playthrough, I'd heavily recommend playing solo

[lean ferry]

my save rn is like 5hrs, just unlocked coal and tryna get steel ( I duoed with freind up to nuclear once)

[rose lintel]

So an assembler making rotors or reinforced plated need multiple screw machines dedicated to it?

[lean ferry]

well my first playthrough was kind of a duop

[tawdry plank]

whichever you desire more. i prefer singleplayer 99.9% of the time since i dont wanna wait for others to play the world

[lean ferry]

yeah depending on how much assembler needs

[lofty forge]

what recipes? also you can see how much material it uses per min. below the item u need, see if the total you are making is lower

[modest nest]

if any of my friend group played this game I'd play with them but sadly no, solo life for me

[reef basin]

ok, correction:
if you haven't yet played solo playthrough, I'd recommend that (and ideally as your first playthrough as well)

[lean ferry]

yes thats how ratios work

[tawdry plank]

just check how many screws a minute each item needs and just make enough manufacturers to cover that

for example if you need 80 screws a min you need 2 manufacturers making screws

[undone lichen]

Could just mix Manifolds with Balancers

[lean ferry]

does anyone have like a stock image of assembler menu or smth

it will be easier to explain with images

[undone lichen]

Especially when you use lower tier belts as basically vaults

It's fun when it works, hell if it doesn't

[tawdry plank]

#screenshots message

oops wrong reply

@lean ferry

[lean ferry]

@rose lintel

[reef basin]

read https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Production_line 🙂

[lean ferry]

see on right where it says 60? (in assembler)

oop wait I cant paste

[tawdry plank]

the reinforced plates needs 60 a min yes

[lean ferry]

so you need to balance out ratio

[tawdry plank]

cant add images here so i added in screenshot

[lean ferry]

read this

[rose lintel]

Oh thanks!

[tawdry plank]

there's a reason this is the only game i have seen with the Wiki literally on the main menu

it's a needed tool in this game lol

[rose lintel]

I was gonna show a screen shot of my factory 17 hours in….but after seeing other peoples now I’m embarrassed

[tawdry plank]

i should've also read the wiki in my first 30 hrs 💀

i didn't even think of ratios right at the start

[modest nest]

send it

[reef basin]

I have like 10+ games that have wiki on main menu

[tawdry plank]

dont worry im 130 hrs in and im still embarrassed. it just happens when you are just starting

[rose lintel]

Not at home now

[reef basin]

and I'd disagree with this. You don't really need wiki to play the game

[tawdry plank]

keep in mind most people here have hundreds of hours

[undone lichen]

Wait... What tier are you now?

[lean ferry]

the first thing I thought of when opening this game

[tawdry plank]

it has a built in wiki but the wiki site is so good

[tawdry plank]

phase 4

[lean ferry]

like literally I did a drop pod, then I placed my first constructor

[tawdry plank]

making aluminum

[lofty forge]

worry not. everyone has their spagetti phases where the only thing that matters is that machines are connected to each other

[reef basin]

if you mean codex, that's also in many games

[lean ferry]

the first thing I thought of was ratios

[tawdry plank]

phase 2 was my slowest

[lean ferry]

quick question guys

[undone lichen]

Bruh im 220 hours in and only tier 6😭

[lean ferry]

im 40 hours in and me tier 8

[undone lichen]

Not even a HMF done

[lean ferry]

thats duo tho so...

[rose lintel]

I actually discovered the game watching let’s game it out. Thought “this game actually looks like a lot of fun”

[shy mulch]

it's not a race 🙂 go whatever pace you want

[undone lichen]

You mean milestone?

[lean ferry]

no literally tier 8

[undone lichen]

Yeah but it does feels weird

[lean ferry]

nuclear power and particle accelerator

[tawdry plank]

i haven't seen such a good codex in other games. you can even see overclocked outputs in it so you can plan out better

[undone lichen]

Oh...

[lean ferry]

my freidn only plays when im online we just very pro at automating

he automates EVERYTHING

[shy mulch]

oh you're playing co-op, so not just 40 hours yourself?

[lean ferry]

(he has kinda played 20 hours without me tho and he does have 100s of hours)

[tawdry plank]

yeah tier 8 is a milestone

in the hub

it's in phase 4

[lean ferry]

yes im on phase 4

[reef basin]

then you haven't played Factorio yet 😛

[tawdry plank]

i have

[lean ferry]

factorio expensive

[tawdry plank]

i never used it

[lean ferry]

I got satisfactory on sale

[reef basin]

similar cost to SF lol

[tawdry plank]

i got satisfactory through family sharing 🤐

[lean ferry]

I tried to get my parents to play it

[reef basin]

it's actually a bit cheaper than SF even

[lean ferry]

the first thing they said? "this doesnt look like a game"

[tawdry plank]

yeah but sf is on sale like every 3 months while factorio is on sale like once a year (for more than 25% off)

[reef basin]

factorio never goes on sale

[tawdry plank]

it went on sale a few months ago

[rose lintel]

I was trying to decide between Satisfactory and Captain of Industry, so I got both

[tawdry plank]

also last year when i bought it

[lean ferry]

I kinda wana get dyson sphere programme

[tawdry plank]

it was 50% off

[modest nest]

if you wishlist a game steam will email you when it goes on sale

[undone lichen]

How hard is Shapez compared to SF & Factorio?

[reef basin]

it didn't https://steamdb.info/app/427520/

[undone lichen]

Getting a bit interested in that game eversince well... LGIO

[lofty forge]

factorio never goes on sale :(

[tawdry plank]

then how did i buy it for 15 euro

i know i didn't spend more

[reef basin]

shady sites selling keys most likely from stolen credit cards

[tawdry plank]

so im confused

[tawdry plank]

i never buy keys

i gotta actually think now

[reef basin]

it's impossible that you bought it directly on Steam on sale

[tawdry plank]

im confused myself

[reef basin]

so you had to buy it through some third-party vendor

which means buying a key/copy of game that was resold, and like 95% of those websites have very shady practices or straight up sell stolen games/games bought with stolen credit cards

[tawdry plank]

OH WAIT. i paid 50% cause my friend paid the other 50

[lofty forge]

did factorio have an early access?

[tawdry plank]

ignore me im stupid

[reef basin]

yes

[modest nest]

haha

[undone lichen]

#screenshots message how do y'alls Modelers have straight lines

[tawdry plank]

in settings you got 3 options

[rose lintel]

Pretty simple explanation: Either your misremembered how or how much you bought it for or steamdb doesn’t have the correct info. Both are possible

[undone lichen]

Which one is straight?

[lean ferry]

btw

I feel like im doing a slow pace can any1 tell me if I am

[reef basin]

steamdb could have wrong info, but Factorio never goes on sale and devs have strict no-sale policy, so it's still not possible to buy on sale

[tawdry plank]

you are in your home (i hope)

[modest nest]

I don't think it matters if you are

[lean ferry]

im on tier 3 2nd milestone just finished coal, ive got 4 gens setup (gonna get another) i have 4hrs gameplay planning to get steel

[reef basin]

only possible option would be buying earlier, because price was cheaper pre-1.0

[tawdry plank]

that's much faster than my first time

[lean ferry]

idk tho I only have rotor reinforced plate normal plate iron rod and 4 coal gens

[tawdry plank]

it's good pace for you coming back

after playing duo before

[undone lichen]

I took like 40+ hours before my coal gens

[lean ferry]

or my freind just blinding me with insane efficiency

[tawdry plank]

probably that

[lean ferry]

i watch too much youtube bruh them massive factories that look good

am I supposed to start them looking nice? or make factory then make architecture

[tawdry plank]

me when i watch kibitz

[reef basin]

kibitz 🤢

[tawdry plank]

blueprints

[tawdry plank]

his megafactories are something

[lean ferry]

my blueprint factory still looks random

[tawdry plank]

also he makes his own background music

[reef basin]

yeah, huge inefficient things built for content only

[tawdry plank]

i can appreciate an artist making music

[lean ferry]

its compact clean and organized but like its just 40 constructors in the middle of nowhere on platforms

[lofty forge]

do whatever you want mate. there isnt a correct way to play the game

[rose lintel]

Oh damn not gonna get it cheap then. Granted not terribly expensive. People pay twice that for AAA games and only 12 hours of content

[tawdry plank]

for efficient designs i watch others fair

[modest nest]

oh yeah how do power towers and ziplines compare to hypertubes for transport

[tawdry plank]

like totalxclipse

[tawdry plank]

hypertube cannons are the fastest\

like making a small hypertube loop that launches you

[lean ferry]

like what I mean btw

if you see oreo lamp's fuel gen setup

[modest nest]

yeah.... I guess but doing the landings on those

[lean ferry]

did he build the architecture with it, before it or around it?

its like the 3rd last screenshot

ok srry gtg bye

[tawdry plank]

#screenshots message

cannon go brr

[undone lichen]

Is there any hypertoob cannon calculator? I can't find one after searching a bit

Or do i have to test over snd over again till it hits right

[left totem]

just experiment

[undone lichen]

Aight

[modest nest]

I don't really mind a bit of travel time honestly, gives my machines more time to produce stuff

[tawdry plank]

i just yolo

i got no set measurements just wait 6 seconds and press E

seems to work for me

[undone lichen]

If it works for you i guess it should work for me

Imma experiment a bit on creative xd

[hollow vector]

#screenshots message @tawdry plank has to be enclosed or you will be flung out the map

[lofty forge]

testing is alot healthier. you can save before each attempt so that you dont need to run back to it everytime

[tawdry plank]

sometimes i hold back while in air cause it can go a bit far from my base to the plastic factory 💀

[tawdry plank]

but where's the fun in that

[lofty forge]

have you tried extremely tall wall wit h roof?

[tawdry plank]

eh i like a bit of risk

[hollow vector]

making it..
usable?

[tawdry plank]

i only went out of bounds once

[tardy jackal]

hey can anyone help me understand why when i make a billboard sign nothing changes? im trying to place it on the top of my factory roof to emmitt light and nothing is changing when messing with the settings

[tawdry plank]

oh it;s usable i just 1/100 times have to hold S for a second or 2 sometimes

6 secs is just long enough from my base to plastic

#streams-and-videos message

this is what happens if you hold for like 15

[tardy jackal]

not even smaller signs are lighting up rn. idk whats going on

[lofty forge]

you need to stop typing to -save- the current billboard state. then leave the menu. try that

[hollow vector]

still
why do that when you can build something cooler and larger

[tawdry plank]

cause i want them small and compact

to be able to quickly unbuild them

since i move the hyperloop cannons like every other day

my factory layout keeps changing so i keep moving this small hyperloop more and more to the edge

[tardy jackal]

thank you so much! such an easy fix

[tawdry plank]

i have no infrastructure yet so this works

once i have the new plastic and rocketfuel factory (when i unlock it) ill have a cannon in a set location but until then i will relish on the fun risk

[fathom shuttle]

I’m averaging 3.5-3.8m/min points

[tawdry plank]

what matters is that I am having fun so this hypertube cannon is no issue for me

i wont spend more time setting up hypertubes all the way between bases or set some so they hit a wall or something for now

[frozen cloud]

those are rookie numbers

[modest nest]

hangon did they change the crude oil nodes on the west side of the map

or am I just rembering incorrectly

[tawdry plank]

#screenshots message

[tawdry plank]

they did change a lot of node locations and purities during 1.0

and added more nodes in the world

[reef basin]

given that it's not really a feature and depends on your FPS and stuff like that, I'd doubt there is one

[modest nest]

I just don't remember needing a like node pressurizer for the oil over here

[tawdry plank]

🤷

[modest nest]

eh whatever more oil

[fathom shuttle]

It’s not from sinking complex items lol

[frozen cloud]

well get to it then

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll start making PCC and SC today and it will probably shoot up to 12m

[frozen cloud]

golden nut is not gonna farm itself
actually it will, fuck

[fathom shuttle]

Farming points might actually be more fun than the space elevator lol

[undone lichen]

Thank you

[tawdry plank]

the real endgame

[modest nest]

oh new enemies too

he can shoot rocks

[gritty sleet]

Any opinions on turbo ammo vs homing ammo? Homing seems decent, but turbo does feel "cooler" because of how fast it shoots.

[fathom shuttle]

I call it the hawk tauh hog

Pretty annoying with no jetpack

[gritty sleet]

Hog tuah

[hard ivy]

depends how well you can aim

[modest nest]

I have no jetpack, he was guarding a mercer sphere so I just walled myself in grabbed it and left

[fathom shuttle]

Turbo takes too long to spool up

And you don’t have to aim with homing ammo

Also the spread of turbo once you near max fire rate is terrible

You’d only land like 5/40 shots

[tawdry plank]

i use turbo and cluster bombs

problem is that they use aluminum and i dont have full production on that

so i've been using crash site casings

[modest nest]

any reliable way to get medical inhalers?

[gritty sleet]

I do have aluminum automated, but HSC are annoying to make for the homing ammo...

[fathom shuttle]

You can’t automate them

[modest nest]

damn

[tawdry plank]

i use it for dmg cause it can kill those bug spawner things in 3 hits

[fathom shuttle]

Tbh I turned off mob hostility since phase 4 started since the combat in this game is pointless imo

[tawdry plank]

way better than bombs on them

[gritty sleet]

I wish there was an endgame plasma beam weapon gun to replace the rifle

[fathom shuttle]

Automating the consumables would take a good 5 hours

[modest nest]

didn't even know that was an option

[fathom shuttle]

It’s in the gameplay menu

You can set it to hostile, retaliate and passive

[modest nest]

Oh my god

I just went to pickup my death crate and clicked delete all instead of pickup all

[gritty sleet]

Reload that autosave

[modest nest]

yeah...

[tawdry plank]

im literally planning a ammo factory lol gonna make it after the other stuff i got planned

#screenshots message

the plan currently

[bright magnet]

having to send a Bean to heaven because he was stuck in the middle of my factory

[fathom shuttle]

The only thing I’m doing is filters

[bright magnet]

and then ADA commented on it

[fathom shuttle]

It’s just so many items to automate at like 1/min

I’ll come back to make nukes later tho

[gritty sleet]

I was gonna do a basic ammo factory just for rifle ammo, since I burn through that a lot quicker than the others and it's been annoying to do manually.

[tawdry plank]

the filters is the only thing im not automating 💀

[timid rune]

I ran out of uranium to make nukes in-game hah

[tawdry plank]

for me the main reason is bombs. i keep running out of cluster bombs

[kind rose]

i am 3 minutes away from my first play through win

[lofty forge]

i dunno. try picking up any fruit you come across whilst exploring

so you can turn them into inhalers later on

[fathom shuttle]

Project assembly?

[steady glade]

are the special rebars better than the rifle?

[jaunty jewel]

hard to compare

[lime ermine]

I have one small factory that makes cluster bombs and rifle ammo and sends it into a DD

[jaunty jewel]

explosive rebar has a lot of use cases but so does rifle ammo

[elder apex]

more of a personal preference than anything

[lime ermine]

Which special each has it's own purpose

[kind rose]

yes

and saving the world

[tawdry plank]

yea but if i do that might as well make all ammo

[quiet oar]

is there a mod that shows an overview of how much all your factories are making?

[kind rose]

shes absolutely abandoning me

[tawdry plank]

just for completion sake

[tawdry plank]

you can check the interactive map

and paste your save

[lime ermine]

True, I just make the ones I like best

[viral egret]

hi, is there a way to start the game with the jetpack already enabled and without fuel requirements? i know it's cheating but i'm really tired of not being able to see things from atop

[hard ivy]

advanced game settings

[steady glade]

what purposes? lets say against cliff hogs and (red) forest spitters

[quiet oar]

where do i get to my save file?

[viral egret]

does it have the jetpack option too? im redownloading rn so i cant check sorry

[tawdry plank]

appdata and local

factory game and then save game

[hard ivy]

just add it to your inv together with fuel

[tawdry plank]

just win+R and write %appdata% and you can find your save in there

[viral egret]

oh ok ok cool thanks

[hard ivy]

%localappdata%

%appdata% goes to roaming

[tawdry plank]

ah yeah i forgot it was different

[lime ermine]

Standard is for beginning, explosive rebar for extra damage, stun if you like to use the xeno zapper, pulse nobelisks to push things, cluster nobelisks for area clear, nuke for massive damage

[tawdry plank]

linux moment (havent used my windows boot in 6 months)

[fathom shuttle]

There is a bug with my circuit board blueprint where one very small output belt doesn’t merge properly and it caused me to lose like 40/min circuit boards

Very dumb ngl but whatever

[steady glade]

can i infinitely stun cliff hogs and forest spitters?

[tawdry plank]

i usually use the stun rebar with the sword at the start but then just spam cluster bombs later on

[lime ermine]

I suppose you could if you keep dumping ammo into them every 10 seconds

[tawdry plank]

it's very effective

[steady glade]

wait it stuns for 10s????

[steady glade]

id hate getting up close against the huge hogs, and since when does the sword actually stun?

it doesnt stop the basic hogs from hitting back

[jaunty jewel]

cliff hog vs equipment station

[tawdry plank]

the stun rebar stuns for 3-5 seconds (maybe longer)

that's more than enough for 3 hits

before you gotta stun again

[jaunty jewel]

for obvious reasons this does not work against nuclear hogs

[tawdry plank]

i just cycle between stun, strike and stun again

you can stunlock hogs and spitters so easily

[lofty forge]

small hogs and spitters mind you. the big ones dont really care. the big spitters literally shoot you back each time you hit them

[jaunty jewel]

all hogs except nuclear can be beaten by an equipment workbench and any weapon

[lofty forge]

oh wait you meant with the stun rebar sorry

[steady glade]

they and alpha/gas stingers are my main nemeses

[jaunty jewel]

gas stingers in open areas are fine too

[steady glade]

right now i generally try to pulse them off cliffs where possible

[grizzled lotus]

do you guys sometimes set up a train solely for one recipe? Because I feel it might be simpler to do that with Adaptive Control Units

[jaunty jewel]

still get flashbacks to the 1v(8+) alpha/elite stinger swamp fight i had, was so fun and i took 0 damage

[steady glade]

i set up a bunch of trains going to a single factory for phase 3, i did that in the western sea, near the rocks desert

[nimble viper]

i need more power but i really dont want to do a powerplant right now

[tawdry plank]

you can stun the big ones too

just not nuclear fucks

[jaunty jewel]

thats what i did too lol

[tawdry plank]

the power is my favourite part of the game cause i dont have to think of how much i wanna produce instead i just use all the coal/oil/etc

[steady glade]

did you also do phase 4 in a single factory? im trying to scout out where i should start a new one

[tawdry plank]

while with everything else i have to think "ok how many heavy modular frames do i wanna make" and i freeze

[jaunty jewel]

i practically just expanded on my phase 3 factory since i had a LOT of spare resources, but my aluminium and a couple other things were from random small areas on the map

[nimble viper]

right now my entire world is powered by 3 poorly optimized coal gens that I threw together in about 20 mins

[jaunty jewel]

power is the most important thing to make sure you get right

[lofty forge]

sometimes. if the thing im setting up requires only 1-2 carts it has its own train. if there is a bunch of machines then it is 1 large train per item (quickwire, quartz crystals)

[steady glade]

whats 1 large train for you?

[tawdry plank]

i need to set up my trains i am in phase 4 already

but i am dreading signaling

[jaunty jewel]

for me anything 5+ freight cars

[tawdry plank]

i really do not get trains

[fathom shuttle]

Do you have drones?

[nimble viper]

#screenshots message this is what is powering my world rn

[steady glade]

signaling seems like the easy part compared to making all the blueprints and setting up proper paths

[steady glade]

generally, cutting the track with block signals is enough until you reach an intersection, path signal at the start of the intersection, block signal at the end of the intersection, the start of a part where the train wont be derailed

[tawdry plank]

i have still not used blueprints

[kind rose]

i have now finished the project sub 113 hours

[lofty forge]

ah, yes, the "temporary" power plant that you are definitely going to remove when you get more resources

[tawdry plank]

you are speaking another language compared to me, i will have to look up guides cause its brain damage for me

[lofty forge]

5-8+ carts

[gritty sleet]

I don't use explosives at all (except to clear fart rocks) because I'm doing my best to not destroy vegetation.

[tawdry plank]

i remove all vegetation anyway

esp near my factory

it's also good for my fps to get rid of vegetation

[gritty sleet]

FPS is fair. I just want everything to look nice and nature-y

[tawdry plank]

i am already playing at 90fps so i wanna save all the frames for phase 5 factories 💀

[nimble viper]

is there a tool for planning out powerplants?

[steady glade]

oof good luck to you then, the most simple way to do it is to make 2 blueprints 5 foundations long:
RRsRRO
0RROO
with R as a rail, O as nothing (just the foundation)
and s where you should put a block signal
alternating that pattern allows you to quickly place a straight track designed for 3-freight trains

[lime ermine]

Me when I tried loading my phase 5 save on steam deck (10fps at 480p)

[steady glade]

depends what you mean by planning out,
if you mean logistics as in counting and planning which resources and how many there are 2 tools:

• Satisfactory Modeler (steam)
• Satisfactory Calculator (web)
  if you mean a genuine 3d mockup, then not really

[elder apex]

you haven't built big enough until you are measuring things in seconds per frame rather than fps

[lofty forge]

signaling becomes a lot easier when you understand "trains have a chance to collide due to coming in different directions > path signals (path signals have to look at each other)(path signals require at least 1 other signal to tell them that the next block is clear): anything else is block signals"

[fathom shuttle]

I have 471 coupons, I’ll need 500 more for the golden nut

[lime ermine]

I build modular factories

[fathom shuttle]

More like 1k more since I want every statue too lol

[sour ledge]

y'know, even with the manufactory, when you line up it doesn't seem like there's a ton of wasted belt space for the manifold getting mats in.

But man, the particle accelerator? The belts are long enough to be part of the process....

always bugs me a little bit when doing multiple particle accelerators in a single factory

[tawdry plank]

maybe it's cause it's 2am but nothing train related makes sense to me so i still dont get it. i will learn it but rn i just dont get it

i tried in phase 3 to see how it works and it broke me brain

in one ear out the other

[lofty forge]

the luxury! im out here building things out in the middle of the sea so that it doesnt reduce my fps to 15 or lower

[lime ermine]

PC specs?

[grizzled lotus]

man, this game is becoming a real handful. feels like I have to spend the rest of the game setting up railways. which I already felt took such a long time

[tawdry plank]

under da sea

[lofty forge]

the only thing you need to know is that i have 3GB of VRAM

[lime ermine]

😐

I have 32

[sour ledge]

with the autoconnect update from 1.1, blueprints help with rails a lot

[dense violet]

zoop foundation lines the whole path

use blueprints to put pylons on that path

connect with rail
It's pretty quick 🙂

[grizzled lotus]

I only have the first version of the blueprint designer

and I believe the second version isn't that much bigger

[lime ermine]

Minimum suggested is 16

[nimble viper]

whats a good amout of power output from a coal powerplant?

[lime ermine]

However much you currently need

[tawdry plank]

vram not ram

[lime ermine]

Oh

[tawdry plank]

gpu vram he means

[grizzled lotus]

what are pylons? and how would I use them with blueprints?

[lime ermine]

I have 8 gigs of vram

[lofty forge]

wait no you misunderstood 3GB of VRAM visual ram

[tawdry plank]

nvidia moment i would guess

[lime ermine]

Yup, 3070

[tawdry plank]

i got 32gb of ram but satisfactory barely uses it

idk why

[modest nest]

I have 20 gigs of vram its excessive and I don't need it

[tawdry plank]

better than 8 nowadays 💀

12 is already on the limit with some games

[lime ermine]

What card

[modest nest]

7900xt

[lime ermine]

🔥

[tawdry plank]

a person of good taste

[lime ermine]

I want a new GPU but my bank account says otherwise

[dense violet]

just tower like things that hold rail.

and you make one in a bp and place it down https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1389060207048655060/image.png?ex=68750ae0&is=6873b960&hm=85cd5d8b14d362a03dcc5479cc759eb2ca8f31d363ec292c7535d115172a9b39&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[tawdry plank]

just steal one easy

from a crypto bro preferably

trust

[lime ermine]

Nah

I like my legal records clean

[tawdry plank]

damn it's 3am i should go to bed 💀

[lime ermine]

It's 6pm here lol

[tawdry plank]

i havent even collected all the somersloops cause i yapped here

[lime ermine]

I haven't collected all the somersloops because I'm lazy

[tawdry plank]

i wanted to do most tonight (and mercer spheres on the way) but instead i yapped since i joined the server

[modest nest]

I just don't really use raytracing ever and I get about the same raw performance as the 5070 with more vram and a cheaper price

plus Ive got an amd cpu so might aswell go full red

[tawdry plank]

true. i would too (plus amd drivers work so so much better on linux) but rn im playing on my laptop with a 4070 so i am stuck with 8gb of vram

hopefully later this year i can make my mini itx build with a 9070xt like planned

[modest nest]

I am kind of forced into windows sadly, I play apex and valorant both of which don't allow linux systems

[tawdry plank]

but that depends on prices

[tawdry plank]

apex used to be playable on linux until EA decided to ban linux users

with the anticheat update last year

[modest nest]

yeah that was kind of a recent change but still applies

[tawdry plank]

kernel level anticheat can go die in a ditch

and i say that as a game design student

[sour ledge]

on god one of these days im going to ride a drone the whole across half the map, and not get dumped somewhere random midway...

[tawdry plank]

there are so many better ways to implement anticheat without KERNEL LEVEL CONTROL

[modest nest]

Im pretty sure apex isn't kernal level, they just block linux

[tawdry plank]

there is no reason for the anticheat to not be in userspace

[tawdry plank]

it has EAC which has both kernel level and user level anticheats

[modest nest]

ah

[tawdry plank]

but they disabled userspace anticheat which caused the linux issues

[modest nest]

didn't know eac did kernal honestly thats a new one

[tawdry plank]

i hate EA but that is nothing new

[tawdry plank]

most devs with EAC dont use kernel level

like fromsoft for ex

[modest nest]

12 fused modular frames from a lizard doggo haha

[tawdry plank]

big money

[nimble viper]

okay, so this plant wont be as bad as I thought, for 750MW I only need 150 coal per min and 450M3 of water

[modest nest]

Im debating getting an oled display right now, about the only thing left that could improve my setup without being multiple thousands

[hidden arrow]

Anyone else been having problems with the biomass burners? One not connected to anything other then a mark 1 miner and it blows the fuse. Same if I try 2 biomass burners.

[wicked nacelle]

I have a asus one and it's really nice

[tawdry plank]

alright it's officially 3am i should go to bed

should've gone 3 hrs ago but shush

[reef wasp]

Slacker.

[wicked nacelle]

PG32UCDP is what I have

[tawdry plank]

in my defense the factory must grow

just ignore that i was yapping here instead of getting somersloops or growing the factory

[reef wasp]

You misunderstand. Going to bed that early makes you a slacker.

Some of us work nights.

[tawdry plank]

i have to go to an interview in 5 hrs 💀

[reef wasp]

Good luck with your interview.

[tawdry plank]

that's why i should've gone to sleep

[reef wasp]

Doesn't change what I said.

[tawdry plank]

but eh future me will be the one regretting it. current me is ballin

[modest nest]

man do I love monitor names

[tawdry plank]

last week i played satisfactory for 25 hrs straight

i dont have a problem

[wicked nacelle]

yeah. 😕

[tawdry plank]

trust me :D

[lofty forge]

you didnt even sleep...?

[reef wasp]

I FC'd 72 hours in a row since I was the only competent fleet commander in my alliance four years ago.

[tawdry plank]

nah i can last like 3 days with no sleep

[modest nest]

Thats nice for the price, super good deal right now, 23% off

[tawdry plank]

crunching for deadlines for my project etc

game design go brr, surely no dev crunched :D

i actually met a coffeestain dev i forgot his name at this year's Everything Procedural convention

[wicked nacelle]

it has a bunch of dumb "gaming" features that you have to turn off like annoying lighting effects and stuff.. but after you do that it's just a nice oled HDR monitor

[modest nest]

I have the XV272U currently

[wicked nacelle]

I love monitor names

[modest nest]

yeah

[tawdry plank]

anyway goodnight pioneers remember to grow your factories, no breaks allowed

(other than maybe for a lil treat :> )

[jaunty jewel]

breaks are only permitted once you complete a phase, and breaks must not be longer than 2 minutes

[tawdry plank]

2 minutes? that's a whole damn VACATION

[jovial sapphire]

Umm, idk where to ask this
But on the satisfactory kickstarter Im trying to pledge for the early bird factory catering set and it says $113 CA with an estimate being $83 for U.S. but when it asks for shipping it says +$21 CA
Is this the shipping cost from CA. to the U.S.?

[jaunty jewel]

true it is

[tawdry plank]

15 seconds take it or leave it

[drifting sparrow]

Would it be outlandish to use economic concepts when it comes to production efficiency? 🧐

[modest nest]

no

[tardy jackal]

does anyone know where the lineup points are for an inverted claw figuration with metal pillars?

[jaunty jewel]

send screenshot in #screenshots if you have it

you want to know where this is?

[tardy jackal]

yes. for the life of me i can seem to invert this. im watching a video on it rn but its not helping

essentially i want the claw to face up so i can add another floor and add some design to the outside of the structure

[jaunty jewel]

check screenshots

[tardy jackal]

i meant on the actual build. essentially i connect steal beams to make 2 fixed points on the columns. this allows the columbs to form a seamless edge.

like in the screenshot. i just need to invert it so the claw faces up instead of out

[jaunty jewel]

oh, then i dont know how to help

thought you were wanting to know where it was on the map lol, thats what im good at

[steady glade]

you mean like ramp?

[tardy jackal]

sorta? if you look on youtube at KyloBuilds " PRO Building Tips SATISFACTORY DOESNT TELL YOU" you will see what i mean.

[steady glade]

and you want that bit pointing out to point up instead?

[tardy jackal]

exactly. basically inverting it

just so i can make a nice buffer layer between the factory floors

[steady glade]

beam > foundation > wall > beam > pillar

[tardy jackal]

ill give it a shot

[steady glade]

maybe catwalk instead of foundation

[tardy jackal]

its more or less a lineup. wasnt sure if anyone uses these or not

[steady glade]

you can probably do it without the wall either

if you do it with the catwalk instead of the foundation, the beam only snaps along it, not up and down, might help, might hurt

[grizzled lotus]

if freight platforms can only load or unload, what's the point of having both inlets and outlets?

[steady glade]

you can set it for each platform/freight

[grizzled lotus]

?

[steady glade]

for each platform, you can set wheter it will load or unload

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, I know, but it will only do one. I was wondering if there was a function I didn't know about

[steady glade]

and the game is made such that inlets and outlets are different and not interchangeable

[grizzled lotus]

if not, then only one type is usable, the other is obsolete

ok, was just making sure

true

speaking of which, I'd like to use trucks and tractors more. I hate seeing belts everywhere

[steady glade]

lmao good luck

you might come to hate trucks even more, or youll love it with proper roads but thats rare

[grizzled lotus]

to be honest, they aren't bad.

[jaunty jewel]

i like trucks too

[grizzled lotus]

they work fine, but it can be hassle setting up the road, and also you need to make sure it's fueled up

[jaunty jewel]

i very rarely use them due to fuel cost but regardless theyre cool

[steady glade]

ye but they have great blueprints, and they research how and where they place infrastructure

[grizzled lotus]

building railways is awful tbh

[jaunty jewel]

its fun to setup routes too

[jaunty jewel]

depends how you do it

if you try make a rail that goes above everything you will hate it

[grizzled lotus]

a lot of times I spend at least an hour just setting up one route

at least

[steady glade]

feels like you'll struggle with trucks too if you find rails annoying

they make slugs, what more do you want

[grizzled lotus]

I do. feels like I ahve to

[jaunty jewel]

you dont have to

[elder apex]

doggos assembled my entire nuclear and explosive arsenal for me.

[jaunty jewel]

thats a lot

[grizzled lotus]

of course not, but I meant that it feels practically necessary. otherwise /I clip through everything or I have trouble setting up the railways

[steady glade]

feels like some tracks will have to go way up, for example in the red jungle

[elder apex]

#screenshots message it's a lot of doggos, plus i use a mod that auto-loots them

[steady glade]

do you send your trucks in jump pads to get bauxite down?

[jaunty jewel]

its never felt necessary for me either

[grizzled lotus]

unrelated, but I used explosive rebars today, and my god they are so satisfying to use

[gritty sleet]

Yeah that's why I don't use them too 😦

They're good for fart rocks and regular destroyable rocks, but that's the only time I use them, and very carefully to avoid blowing up nearby trees.

[grizzled lotus]

tbh I don't care for most of hte foliage

[devout needle]

how do people go about creating a train system when they get unlocked

i feel so stunlocked

[gritty sleet]

Plan your routes in advance using an online map

Decide on how you want your track supports (if any) to look, and blueprint them

[dense violet]

make a path the entire way you want zooping foundations

build pylons on those foundations that will hold up therail

have 2 lanes

zooping hte foundations helps you plan and keeps your track tidy

[gritty sleet]

And yes, two rails, one for each direction. Bidirectional single rail is not recommended.

[dense violet]

check your keybinds for hte map button. I thought it was m but could be wrong

[open steppe]

anyone wana vc and stuff

?

god gave us a mike to speak

[devout needle]

two rails? interesting

i thought the ideal was a loop

i guess it is a loop

so does every station then need to have intersections for both directions?

[dense violet]

yeah 2 rails is just a flat loop 😄

[dense violet]

only if it's receiving trains from both directions

[devout needle]

thats a good call actually, i didnt think to do that

[dense violet]

but because of the way trains go you probably want to keep it 1 route per station

each platform has a fairly low throughput so having lots of trains stopping somewhere can be awkward

[devout needle]

interesting

[jaunty jewel]

nooo not british

i hate british

[stone python]

i think you mean wrong style

[devout needle]

i guess ill find out what works for me with experimentation but i was a little overwhelmed by starting it

i appreciate the help 🫡

[dense violet]

pinged you in the other channel with some examples if you're interested

[potent shale]

ok so for the LIFE of me i cant figure out why i cant get my last 4 fuel gens to keep on! i have EXACT NUMBERS to supply them 400 fuel in, 20 fuel gens each consuming 20 a min. its on flat ground so no up hill stuff.

[stone python]

turn off the last two, let the system fill up, turn on the 2nd to last, let it fill up, repeat for last

[leaden ether]

Feeding EXACT numbers means very very long times to fully load a system. VERY lng times. Can be dozens of hours even

[abstract heron]

i use bitz world highway maxeek

i have plans on using them but i am on summer quiet atm

due to heat

[potent shale]

ok but i tried that but after some time it would sputter out.

[stone python]

try looping the system. Last junction into the first

[potent shale]

ok give me a sec

[naive pendant]

@potent shale 400 fluid/minute out of 600 fluid/minute maximum for a pipe means you can sloop your fuel generators until all the lights go green. Then remove the sloops, wait 10-60 minutes, check lights on fuel gens. If yellow lights at that point you have some issue with ratios, etc.

[stone python]

---

| |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

something like that

if that makes sense.

[naive pendant]

With 400/600 fluid/minute there shouldn't be a need to loop the pipes.

[stone python]

shouldnt being the key word here

shouldnt implies theres still a chance

[naive pendant]

Looping the pipes isn't needed. There we go.

[fathom shuttle]

Pipes can’t slosh at 400

So it’s more likely that there is something wrong upstream

[fathom shuttle]

Check the fuel refineries if they are working or not

And check the last one that’s connected to the oil pipe if it’s full or not

If you just built the plant give it more time to saturate

[potent shale]

sloops?

[naive pendant]

Summersloop. Its the alien talky "S" item. Doubles output of a machine.

[potent shale]

ah

[potent shale]

brain fart

[naive pendant]

So essentially let's you fill a manifold rapidly as you just produce excess.

Otherwise fuel gen manifolds are kinda slow to fill, etc. It's a nice trick.

[leaden ether]

Yeah fuel gens are unique in that you can't pause their output and allow the buffers to fill -.-

[potent shale]

hang on would i have some problem's if i had 2 refinery's max power slugs and sloops

[leaden ether]

After finishing a plant and checking that nothing up stream is under producing, I just leave the factory and it settles down... eventually. Like 2-3 days later

[frail sleet]

just dont connect their power cable until everything is full

it can all be connected together but make 1 wire to put it onto the grid after its full

[dense violet]

don't connect their power pole

[frail sleet]

they will load to 50/50 without burning any, then all start simultaneously

[dense violet]

otherwise just underclock like 1 machine on the manifold and let it flood

[leaden ether]

If you disconnect the power cable they won;t take fuel in to their buffers

[frail sleet]

They will

i thought that also, but nope, they do

[dense violet]

orly? standby should work then.

generators are the only machines that take input like that.

[frail sleet]

if you trip them, maybe it doesn't - but if they have not been connected to a grid, they take buffer

[naive pendant]

Or, that sloop thing I said.

All the good options

[dense violet]

doesn't work if you're at 600 already

universal solution of - underclock 1 machine

[potent shale]

ok but how? its not like i can start them all at once.

[naive pendant]

Yup, best practice (for me) is already avoiding 600 pipes due to their 600 pipe feature, so all good.

[wicked nacelle]

The game is balanced around them. Specifically SAM going 4:1 from ore to awakened

basically half your sloops are gone

pasta isn't worth a sloop - that shit's easy

[frail sleet]

You can, trivally. Connect them all with power cables to each other, but not to an active grid

[dense violet]

show some overhead shots of what you're doing in #math-and-meta pipe shape can really impact things

[frail sleet]

they will all fill to 50/50

then put 1 cable from their grid to an active grid, and they all turn on simultaneously

[wicked nacelle]

you can easily drone in copper powder because of the stack size... easy to just suck copper from all over the map

the sheer mass that a drone of copper powder carries is insane

[potent shale]

ok so far so good

[fathom shuttle]

Copper alloy blueprint + drones make pasta very trivial

Copper is usually co located with iron so it’s not an issue

[tardy jackal]

can someone give me ideas for a color scheme or what i should do on top of what i made in Design-And-Architecture. im blanking atm

[wicked nacelle]

wtf are you talking about?

[naive pendant]

I just droned in RCU, frames and built near copper/iron for my pasta.

[wicked nacelle]

pure copper takes WATER

what are you SMOKING?

[fathom shuttle]

Copper alloy

[wicked nacelle]

copper alloy is like... a newb trap

[naive pendant]

Needs copper -> copper alloy makes copper. Seems fine.

[frail sleet]

copper alloy densely converts iron (which is essentially free) into copper (which is like, third most limiting resource)

way better than straight up smelting copper

[wicked nacelle]

sorry.. do you people not understand WATER

are you guys gaslighting me?

[frail sleet]

pure is more efficient but it's a LOT more work, especially if you wanna throw 4800 or 6000 copper into stuff.

[wicked nacelle]

you could use iron or water... water makes MORE copper

[dense violet]

yeah fantastic recipe. Huge outputs, no water or refineries
iron is essentially a trash resource anyway

[wicked nacelle]

A lot more work?

[frail sleet]

Yes, it's a lot more work

[wicked nacelle]

mind = blown

[dense violet]

I'm glad I can't see hot takes about this recipe at all

[frail sleet]

in the time that it takes to make a 1200 node into pure copper, you can just make 2 copper alloy farms and then your output is much higher

[wicked nacelle]

I'm glad I don't have to have cobalts BS responses to what I say

[potent shale]

YES ITS WORKING OMG THANKS

[wicked nacelle]

he is so full of crap

[wicked nacelle]

output is based on the number of buildings and since buildings are free, it's irrelevant

okay, you guys hurt my brain.

[naive pendant]

The key point is that many people don't care about utilizing all, most, much of the maps resources making maximizing total resources not relevant.

[frail sleet]

your time/effort isn't free though. Sometimes i play as if it is, but it's objectively a pretty large issue.

If you can build a simple thing twice then it massively beats out a more technically optimal but much more labor intensive option.

because 2 of a great thing are a lot better than 1 of an excellent thing

[alpine salmon]

I reached 140km an hour achievement with just sprint crouching

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know how slow you build, but I can throw up 32 refineries in about 30 seconds

have you heard of blueprints?

[frail sleet]

You gotta pipe them and stuff. It's a lot of work compared to literally just 6 foundries and move on.

[fathom shuttle]

Yea it’s an easy set up that doesn’t take a lot of time to do. If you’re going across the map to tap into the copper node it’s better than smelting the copper or going down the pure copper route

[alpine salmon]

Whats the best spot for iron nodes? (Newbie to the game, Had the game for 2 years, but started playing after EA with a friend)

[wicked nacelle]

You have to belt iron. Honestly, the gaslighting is strong

[frail sleet]

iron is plentiful everywhere, but there are some nice clusters in the northern forest. Dune desert too of course

[alpine salmon]

Currently up to T4

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map shows you all the ore nodes

[alpine salmon]

Yea I use that

[wicked nacelle]

So is water. and it's nearly infinite and you can pull 20 pipes at once with blueprint autoconnect

[fathom shuttle]

I actually just changed my mind about going for the pure copper recipe just now lol

I can literally gather all the copper powder with the copper alloy recipe in like an hour or two

[alpine salmon]

My factory is so atrocious (its just a flat area covering the starting area)

[frail sleet]

Ya i mean, one of my next tasks is to make 414+ refineries for pure copper just for copper powder for singularity cell pasta. But it sure as hell takes much longer than copper alloy. I'm doing it because having a lot of active and useful machines is one of the goals of my world plan.

If you're actually playing the game to e.g. finish P5, then just go and tap another copper node, build fast, and don't worry about being at 85% output. 2x 0.85 massively beats 1x1.0

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah, having less copper for copper powder is great

[stone python]

this back and forth is great for my popcorn investment

[wicked nacelle]

this is greeny level of "all recipes are useful"

[fathom shuttle]

Im doing 10/min so resource scarcity is irrelevant in my situation

[wicked nacelle]

yes, I suppose that's true

and then cobalt is a little whiney boy talking about people . what a punk

[stone python]

[frail sleet]

#rules message

☝🏻

[fathom shuttle]

Yea realistically all you need to finish the game is a single pure copper node, smelters and constructors with mk5 belts that’s more 0.5/min

[haughty flax]

just starting out, whats the strat for how much of an item to automate? like heavy encased frames, i guess i can get them out of a single iron node split up but it would be very slow

[frail sleet]

Keeping 1 of a recipe active is a good baseline.

Like a constructor makes 20 iron plates per minute, so do that on 1 constructor and take those 20/min as your number.

If something else needs iron plates, then build the iron plates as part of the factory for the new thing, don't pull from the existing line. That way you'll have a good amount of everything. If you find a particular shortage, you can double up production of that item at the point where you run into the shortage. If you don't find a shortage, don't make more.

[fathom shuttle]

At 0.5/min you’ll gather all the pasta you’ll need in 10 hours

[haughty flax]

okay makes sense, ty

[fleet star]

finally getting into phase 4 after all this time (80hrs 💀 )

[dim sundial]

wow what can be done about this cpu bottleneck

aside from a 1000$ cpu

[stone python]

what cpu are you using

[dim sundial]

12700k

[modest nest]

i?

[dim sundial]

at 6ghz

[modest nest]

I don't think thats bottlenecking anything

[stone python]

ya, a 12700k should be more than enough

[modest nest]

I mean in a few cases maybe but like

[stone python]

unless you are one of those crazies that buils like super massive builds

like, muuuuultiple MEGA projects

[wicked nacelle]

cut your graphics settings/resolution and see if the framerate goes up. It's not hard to see if you're CPU bottlenecked. there's also a console command that shows you how much time is spent in which phase of rendering

[modest nest]

also in order to really tell if a system is bottlenecking you kind of need the full spec list

[dim sundial]

gpu is running around 60% now, seriously suggests cpu bottleneck

[modest nest]

even a motherboard can be the bottleneck sometimes

Id look into it more before spending $1000 on a cpu honestly

[dim sundial]

the most boring cpu year i can remember too

[wicked nacelle]

you can just look at the timings. Different games have different requirements - you cannot look at a parts list and tell what a specific title will want

[stone python]

1: What gpu are you using
2: what settings (including lumen and resolution) are you running
3: Are you sure that OC is 100% stable? Have you tried only having boost on and seeing if the issue resolves?

[frail sleet]

12700k is awful compared to zen5 x3d. They perform near 2x better.

and those cost $455

[stone python]

ya, i was about to say

cause i run a 7800x3d and play at 1440p ultrawide and no bottleneckj

[modest nest]

Also is anything overheating

[frail sleet]

you also need RAM OC for lategame satisfactory either way, but vcache is +50% FPS and zen5 is ~30% faster than zen4.

[modest nest]

also maybe an old hdmi or dp cable thats not up to spec

[frail sleet]

So.. zen5 x3d is ~twice as fast as zen4 regular, which competes with 12700k.

+83%, sorry. Got hard numbers

[dim sundial]

gotta be a lot of cherry picking to get to that number

[frail sleet]

How tf can you cherry pick Satisfactory performance

it runs how it runs, it doesn't massively change on different worlds

maybe if one world has 2000km of belts and another has 20km only, or something like that, but this was on my actual P4 world which looks mostly like anyone elses.

[dim sundial]

i assumed you meant averages not for this game specifically

[frail sleet]

yeah just talking satisfactory specifically

satisfactory has an unusually high benefit from vcache and an unusually high benefit from zen 5

which makes it absolutely dumpster anything intel / not zen5 / not vcache, but especially if they don't have RAM OC with all subtimings set

RAM OC can buy +30-40% performance in Satis, with a CPU that has non-vcache or Intel levels of caching.

With vcache only +10-20%.

[modest nest]

I have a question

[stone python]

fire away

[dim sundial]

pretty much the fastest ddr4 you can run

[modest nest]

for Aeryn specifcally

[frail sleet]

how many timings did you set

[frail sleet]

sure

[modest nest]

why do you know all of this data about performance for satisfactory specifically off the top of your head

like I respect it but why

[alpine salmon]

some people just love the game

[frail sleet]

because i like games to run fast, and learning about what makes them run fast and how much faster helps to accomplish that

[alpine salmon]

never underestimate factory simulator players

[stone python]

i was thinking the exact same thing LOL. I figured a 12700k shouldnt have an issue and then aeryn came in with a bible full of facts and proved me wrong haha. impressive imo

[modest nest]

fair enough, I just tune it long enough for it to not drop below my monitors refresh rate and leave it there

[alpine salmon]

I have a i9-14900KF

[frail sleet]

that's unachievable for gigabuilds

[dim sundial]

any data i have found puts its closer to 30% improvement, not twice

[modest nest]

I guess if youre doing those then yeah that makes sense

[alpine salmon]

i also just stay on my monitors hertz (75 FPS)

[dim sundial]

all the timings on the ram, been doing this awhile

[alpine salmon]

to make sure my pc doesnt heat up

[frail sleet]

i can side by side if you want to compare

[modest nest]

I use my pc as a heater

[noble topaz]

Lucky, my PC doesn't even run satisfactory well enough to play, so I need to use GeForce now

[alpine salmon]

my friends pc can barely run satisfactory

they have to change resolution aswell

and still be on 40 fps

[noble topaz]

It's not even a PC, it's a laptop 😭

Good enough CPU, but my GPU is from 2011, with 128 MB of VRAM

[modest nest]

do you think I'll be fine if I decide to do a mega build @frail sleet I have a R7 9700x and a 7900xt and 32gb ddr5 6400mhz

[frail sleet]

yeah

[modest nest]

cool

[frail sleet]

but it can get slow if you build in dense 3d

[modest nest]

dense 3d?

[dim sundial]

depends what you mean by mega base

[frail sleet]

i think it's because the LOD radius in the game is spherical, so if you build up, then you are fitting way more stuff within say a 20m or 50m or 100m radius of you

my big build is basically all 1 floor, so 90% of the build is using low quality LODs because it's 1-3 kilometers away.

[modest nest]

ah well I can optimize if it ever slows down

I like my vertical builds

[frail sleet]

Vertical is fine but like

[dim sundial]

i was thinking of jsut givving myself a bagillion power shards and OC everything

[frail sleet]

you can imagine a sphere around the pioneer, and if there are too many buildings/belts within that sphere at one time, computation time increases at least like quadratically (2x more stuff = 1/4 fps)

so like, if there is 4x as many buildings in that sphere because you have 4 floors, then it's 1/16'th fps 😛

[stone python]

once you get far enough ||you can make them without slugs||

[frail sleet]

the actual simulation load itself is remarkably light

[modest nest]

yeah I gotcha

[modest nest]

I discovered that in the MAM a few hours ago it looks rather expensive

[dim sundial]

but by that time your game is done

[stone python]

it depends on your playstyle i guess. I dont do mega projects that would need that many shards till after i have everything i need to maximize

[foggy heart]

Me and 2 of my friends are doing an unmodded playthrough and I'm the host. If I install the modular laod balancers mod, do they have to install it as well or not?

[frail sleet]

yes

[foggy heart]

is there a way to install it without using SMM?

[frail sleet]

that mod is also cheating as it has an infinite speed belt inside of it btw

[foggy heart]

oh

okay nvm then

[frail sleet]

I mean, you can cheat if you want to

[foggy heart]

nah not for me lol

[frail sleet]

but it's pretty cheaty because that greatly simplifies and trivialises some important logistics

[modest nest]

I mean you don't have to use the belt

It'd have to be a conscious decision to place it down

[frail sleet]

The modular balancer itself internally contains the "infinite belt". Not using it means not using the mod

[foggy heart]

yeah no i'd be tempted

[modest nest]

oh

[foggy heart]

better out of sight xD

[modest nest]

fair enough

[foggy heart]

Do they all need to install infinite zoop as well if I have it?

[modest nest]

I like the infinite zoop mod and the like day light cycle control mod

[dim sundial]

i got all these spreadsheets and finally track down my problem, im short 30 iron ingots