satisfactory

[burnt ferry]

i dont like the lift mergers/splittesr.. they keep reminding me that i havent layed out my belts vertically but horizontally, when they dont work

[lavish burrow]

Split from lower in the lift, and then extend a second lift up to just below the top part of the original lift.

[burnt ferry]

its not about saving the coal its about getting more power from the same amount.. i need the other coal around for aluminmum

[willow dawn]

Can I attach the lift to a splitter that right up against it? I couldn't get it to click

[burnt ferry]

and thinking of it, it prolly makes sense to use the pure node for aluminmum as well

i mean those generators make watt? (lul) 187?

[green fiber]

It works, but its strict nowadays

[sterile blade]

You're probably better off asking (or looking for examples) in #design-and-architecture. People often discuss similar things there

[lavish burrow]

So, just to be clear, this will mean either building more generators, or overclocking them, and also will need more water.

[burnt ferry]

it works much better i say.. it visually smoothly attaches to any distance.. with or without the rubber coating and up to all the way in

in update 5 they was a real pita

[lavish burrow]

Wait, can you not clip lifts into splitters anymore?

[burnt ferry]

all my generators are fully overclocked.. i have gathered like 80% of all them slugs

[willow dawn]

Ok, I'll give it a shot 🙂

[burnt ferry]

most of my facs are fully overpowered too and i still have 200 power things on stash 😂

thanks to the dude reminding me to slope them effing slugs

that nukular forrest is crazy .. almost every tree has a slug.. some have 7

[lavish burrow]

I can't tell you what you should do, but I think you will be a lot better off not worrying about those coal generators, and getting more power via a different method.

[burnt ferry]

all good bro we kinda already agreed on that 😂

the compacted coal was their last chance

to get attention

like i said. they deliver their power and other than that i havent visited that location in a while. so no need to switch them off until i need the coal for alu

[silk ocean]

I generally overclock where there isn't room to expand and I'm being too lazy to build a new site XD

[sterile blade]

Meh, Coal is a Water-guzzler.
Any other power source takes much less water for the same power

[lavish burrow]

I guess to re-answer your original question: yes, compacted coal generators can be worth it, but only really when you're doing coal generators in the first place- as well as one additional exception as a rocket fuel byproduct.

[lavish burrow]

Water is... not really scarce.

You aren't wrong, but...

[burnt ferry]

upon planning my facs properly with a tool i overclocked specifically.. i generally only overclock the power generation and then as needed

[sterile blade]

No, it's just annoying having to deal with a lot of it to make power xD

[lavish burrow]

Is it? Maybe y'all just build more coal generators than I usually do.

[silk ocean]

Powergen makes sense yea. I will probably end up doing that too. Overclocking atm is usually - fix this issue for now, come back to it later, put it on the todo list, etc

[burnt ferry]

see it like this: oil requires to be processed in like at least two steps.. water you just extract and then pump into coal generator

[burnt ferry]

its just preparing you for all the headaches you are about to suffer from pipes

[lavish burrow]

Geothermal you just know the right crash sites to loot to rush the research, know how to fight alpha mobs without a full arsenal, and then just put on dangerous natural phenomena.

[burnt ferry]

best way to fight mobs is to set them passive

they smile at you while you smack them to death

[lavish burrow]

That is not fighting them. That is literally the opposite of fighting them.

[sterile blade]

Yeah, but at the same time with 2 piping systems of oil you can outmatch 4 piping systems for Coal (assuming MK1 limitation).
Coal takes (relatively speaking) a lot of piping to get power out

[burnt ferry]

dont we learn from ficsit that its all about doing the job?

matters dont matter

[lavish burrow]

That does not change the fact that it isn't a fight unless there is at least the illusion that they can fight back.

Just in the same way that making a sneak attack that cannot be responded to is not a fight.

[burnt ferry]

true dat but why are you building coal when you are as experienced to build oil right away? 😂 im looking at this from the perspective of a noob learning the stuff step by step

[lavish burrow]

Hmm. I really get passionate about semantics, huh.

[burnt ferry]

and i kinda had to learn new... last time was update 5.. and i didnt build the coal generator and stuff back then... in fact i didnt build one pipe

we was busy making screws

[lavish burrow]

Sometimes I wonder if everyone else just plays a slightly different version of the game from me that has subtle differences that do nothing but confuse me.

[burnt ferry]

the only question i have: how many dna per minute?

[lavish burrow]

It's difficult to track because it's uploaded in bulk upon returning.

[burnt ferry]

im this dude with a big smile on his face, both hands with meters high stacks of alien remains.. 'LOOK GUYS!'

[lavish burrow]

But I usually will have at least one stack of alien remains start a second stack because i've accumulated enough.

[burnt ferry]

coming back to the campfire

[burnt ferry]

🙀 wait.. havent you said up a somersloped production chain? quadrupling the dna output?

[lavish burrow]

Pfft. Campfire. I have a high-tech biological research facility.

[burnt ferry]

said up.. damn bro

[sterile blade]

I'm just saying that having the choice between building Coal power and any other power source, the piping alone makes Coal the most annoying one ^^

[burnt ferry]

i will still carry those stacks

[lavish burrow]

That's.. still uploaded in bulk.

[burnt ferry]

i object.. you need twice the amount of pipes.. you just build your oil power plant more nicely. like i did

[lavish burrow]

It's just processed after being placed in the thing that sorts all my loot.

[sterile blade]

Well, excluding biomass power...

[burnt ferry]

👹

[lavish burrow]

Actually, that aformentioned sorting thing makes biomass super simple, too.

Just.... entirely unnessecary at that point.

[burnt ferry]

but why you upload dna though? i put a sinkbehind the alien remains production thing

[sterile blade]

1 pipe of Fuel gives more power than 4 pipes of water for Coal Gens 🤷‍♂️

[lavish burrow]

I don't understand what you mean.

[burnt ferry]

ye but as per your correct logic you wont build a 32 coal generators power plant but only a 16 generators one and go for oil after that .. hence.. 🤷‍♀️

[lavish burrow]

Parts are processed into protein, protein is processed into dna capsules, dna capsules are fed into the sink and uploaded.

[burnt ferry]

you said you 'upload' the dna.. that sounds like dimensional depot to me

but you might just mean the sink as well

[lavish burrow]

Oh. No. I meant upload as in "feed into the thing that crushes it for science".

[burnt ferry]

ah you call the destruction part uploading.. gotcha

[lavish burrow]

It's the sciencey term for "dump into".

[burnt ferry]

its like a negative creator

on the 7th day, the earth was ashes

😂

[sterile blade]

I think I'm misunderstanding your prior objection, where you said one needed twice the amount of pipes

[lavish burrow]

Why exactly is the total quantity of pipes needed a problem, anyways? I feel like i'm going to regret asking this.

[burnt ferry]

it doesnt hold true for the math.. but practically speaking.. the first oil plant is probably equal in size as the first coal plant..

because you dont want to generate as many power but with less generators with the oil plant but A LOT more

mostly

[lavish burrow]

I never see people use the total number of required belts for things as a reason for... well, anything other than cross-country beltwork versus trains, where it actually matters.

[burnt ferry]

i mean; it might just be me but mathematically you are right and i didnt provide any counter argument

[burnt ferry]

BESIDES THAT

complexity is a staple of this game

[lavish burrow]

You are not wrong. I just find this particular element of complexity to be... well, a non-issue compared to all the other complexity I will inevitably bring onto myself because i'm just sort of like that.

[sterile blade]

It's just a part of the problem of "is it worth building Coal when I can build Oil/Nuclear?" or, in other words "which power source takes the least effort?".
Of course, piping is not the whole process, but it often ends up being a big chunk of it (especially so in Coal Power)

[burnt ferry]

isnt a staple something positive? im guessing vocabulary.. i might have missed

[lavish burrow]

You used the word correctly.

In this context, it means "a key element".

[burnt ferry]

i find it more cumbersome to get as many coal to one place tbh

at my nodes that is..

might have chosen better ones of course

[lavish burrow]

Mmm. I might have missed some context.

But I think the real issue with coal generators is not the pipes.

[burnt ferry]

but i say it wasnt really a discussion anyways.. as its kinda obvious which of the two power sources is better

[lavish burrow]

It's that they have two inputs.

[burnt ferry]

but still that might look different for a new player, which is always the perspective im looking at at the same time

[lavish burrow]

Fuel generators always have the advantage of only having a single input.

[burnt ferry]

ye.. kinda random whether you wet your feet with refineries or coal generators

[silk ocean]

I am seriously failing to locate sloops inside caves.. Spent ages and rarely find them... Can hear them tormenting me tho XD

[burnt ferry]

in fact ihad both iirc. as i build a single refinery to make wet concrete along with the first coal generator

[lavish burrow]

I would strongly suspect most people don't skip coal generators.

[hard ivy]

How is that an issue?

[lavish burrow]

Mostly because I do.

[lavish burrow]

Well, for non-subjective things, it's twice the number of things that need to be hooked up.

For subjective things, I will not clip my pipes and belts.

[burnt ferry]

b;ut the generation of the fuel does not? thats a false argument because you cant have fuel based power without two inputs

[sterile blade]

That is a weird combo of progress and exploration 😆

[lavish burrow]

It's not a false argument, because the generators make up the vast majority of the required machines.

[burnt ferry]

as i played in update 5 i was very interested in the map and did VERY LONG scouting tours in the beginning.. collecting heaps of hdds, slugs, slopes, spheres

[hard ivy]

And? Both of those things come straight from their respective extractors. No processing required

[hard ivy]

And are the easiest to blueprint, which means they take a small fraction of the time

[sterile blade]

In other words, placing and logistic-ing the "power-making" part of the build is very straight-forward

[burnt ferry]

i say when you have managed ONE two input building, the ones thereafter dont matter anymore.. hence in all situations that counts only once anyway

like i dont care how many two inputs there are. i need to figure them out and figure out how to serve more than one and to do that scalable.. and thats it..

[lavish burrow]

My rocket fuel setup had a total of 72 fuel generators.

Technically 77 but that's irrelevant.

[burnt ferry]

i mean if you talk about the effort to build it.. opf course, i misunderstood tha then

using an extra logistics floor does help A LOT though..

as you can just manifold the inputs from both sides without weirdly clipping into the producer

[lavish burrow]

The screenshot I posted just now isn't exactly what my setup made it's fuel with, but it's the general process.

[hard ivy]

That's 18 blueprints. It takes less than a minute to place them if you have the resources in your inventory.

And probably less than 5 even if you have to wait for your depot to fill

[burnt ferry]

but also keep in mind that number is little compared to the total numbers of buildings you have to abuild and connect.. hence i wasnt really thinking about it anyway

[lavish burrow]

The producers included four sets of the thing I just posted, as well as the refineries making HOR that I don't have a screenshot of.

[burnt ferry]

as the bulk of the effort is in the buildings that consume the power not generate it... my entire power generation fits on three 10x10 foundations....... the stuff i build is MUCH larger

[lavish burrow]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually, I have no idea what most of you are talking about. I think it's, at this point, entirely different things.

[hard ivy]

18 blueprints with 4 generators each

[burnt ferry]

but theres one thing you didnt even mention yet: oil has usable side products

hence all those buildings to generate the fuel can serve a secondary use... thats not true for coal

[lavish burrow]

Let me rephrase. I have no idea why you're talking about this.

I didn't even bother to blueprint the generators, other than the generator itself to set the clock speed more easily.

[burnt ferry]

cant you stack them to fit 8?

[hard ivy]

You were talking as if the 72 generators took a lot of effort to place. They don't

[burnt ferry]

thats a matter of perspective though.. coming from the newb perspective again i highly subject

72 something seemed impossible to me at the very beginning

[lavish burrow]

Firstly, please don't belittle the amount of effort I put into things. That's just rude.

Secondly, that's not the point I was making.

[burnt ferry]

and that.. im not able to put it in such polite words 😂

but im also not a friend of implying your own perception of effort onto others

[lavish burrow]

It was comparing the general complexity and total required machines required to process fuel with the number of machines needed to consume that amount of fuel.

[burnt ferry]

ye.. it was a nerd discussion... not a dick comparison

which you cant win against me anyway 👹

[lavish burrow]

My argument is essentially that the number of machines needed to process it are small enough that I believe it doesn't represent a substantial difference in what is required to provide the fuels for coal generators.

But I don't really even know how this topic reached this point. It's sort of meandered around everywhere.

[burnt ferry]

lets conclude here.. i agree and i add that you even can have an extra benefit from fuel production like rubber and plastic

[lavish burrow]

I also don't even remember what my original position was. I don't think I had one.

[burnt ferry]

it wasnt about positions really

[lavish burrow]

Other than "I don't really like building either type of generator"

[burnt ferry]

as you pointed out its not about comparing our game progress but to discuss different aproaches/usages/numbers

[lavish burrow]

Wait, no, I remember.

It was that I was confused as to why y'all were focused on the number of pipes needed for coal generators.

[burnt ferry]

i wasnt

[lavish burrow]

I thought that that was strange, because to my, that's more or less the simplest aspect of setting them up.

[burnt ferry]

i was ridiculing it.. i insist!

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, I think... whoever was saying that got bored a while ago.

[burnt ferry]

i say its this new attitude of internet users.. to necessarily have a position to anything

[willow dawn]

This discussion is kinda a trainwreck to follow lol

[lavish burrow]

Mm. I wouldn't say that's a new attitude.

[willow dawn]

But it was a nice diversion while I sorted out my logistics issues 😛

[lavish burrow]

It's moreso just a... flaw, that some of us struggle with.

[burnt ferry]

it gained lots of traction recently. lets put it like that

its not new, thats true

[lavish burrow]

I guess i'll just say that it's not really a "recent" thing to me. It's something i've had to deal with my whole life.

[burnt ferry]

im talking about it polluting discourse outside chatrooms

but lets not get off topic and rather finish our work for this non absolutarian employer ficsit

[lavish burrow]

Mmm... I am going to be very careful with how I phrase this.

[burnt ferry]

maybe dont.. it would be you necessarily having a position to something

[lavish burrow]

But I will conclude by saying that the general mentality of people in the western world has started to become more confrontational.

Recently. And that's all i'll say.

[burnt ferry]

okay i can go with that

i was afraid after this bromance you said something terrible 😂

[vestal mica]

this argument just for the sake of argument about how people on the internet argue just for the sake of arguing is pretty meta

[lavish burrow]

As for me, i'm just kind of a contrarian. I sort of habitually want to look at things from every possible perspective, which leads me to occasionally arguing for perpectives I don't actually have.

[burnt ferry]

the error starts at 'argument'.. as its not that but our universal truth.. otherwise youd be right

[lavish burrow]

It's just super easy to get caught in a loop where I lose sight of the original topic and feel like I need to refute things that are either incorrect or... well, more personal attacks?

[vestal mica]

see, you continue to do it

[solemn crystal]

when the

[lavish burrow]

No, this is really just us rambling at this point.

I mean, what I just did aside.

[burnt ferry]

i just default to assume everybody is just a pretentious wannabe stealing my time.. and then i filter out people by trolling

[vestal mica]

that's true. you have managed to drown out any satisfactory talk

[burnt ferry]

smart dudes troll back... the talkersnotwalkers will be offended

[lavish burrow]

I'm essentially the opposite. I try very very hard to assume the best of people and then try my best to be as sincere as possible.

[burnt ferry]

it works when youre the teacher

but not when youre the student (in my experience that is)

[lavish burrow]

Actually, this WAS about comparing fuel and coal gens for the majority of it. It's just the wrap up where we sort of are acknowledging that it got kind of ridiculous, now.

Yeah, I think I only understand what you're saying about half of the time. But that's better than some people, I suppose.

[burnt ferry]

were circle jerking about agreeing, as the other opponents left the battle field

😂

[burnt ferry]

boy youre so right 😂

people dont understand me when i talk my native language

[lavish burrow]

I'm gonna go play some FFXIV. You are a curious sort, who admits to essentially wasting people's time on purpose, and yet I can't really feel mad at you because... well, partially because I think I tuned out most of it, but also because I totally see myself in you.

[burnt ferry]

i do it with good intentions

thats why people like me (well... some do...)

[lavish burrow]

Or... maybe I can't really be mad at anyone who does that when i'm oh so very much the master of wasting my own time.

Alas. I'm going to cut myself off here because this will keep going otherwise. Ciao.

[burnt ferry]

ye.. the devil knows his brothers

you just noticed that im as creative and enthusiastic in argueing just fo rthe lulz as you are and thats why you toned it down, because you know this can errupt (as i did 😂 )

[undone kestrel]

Damn that's annoying, at least you got it sorted though

[burnt ferry]

ye.. i like trains

[undone kestrel]

I've just completed phase 2 in record time for myself as this save I haven't bothered making a "starter" factory yet. Just loads of little production lines on the ground

[burnt ferry]

but please can those devs follow ONE STANDARD? 😂

[undone kestrel]

The only dedicated factory I have was for the phase 2 elevetor parts lol

[undone kestrel]

This is the only game I have ever made trains all so it all makes sense in my head lmao

[burnt ferry]

im thinking all the time about restartinng.. i manucrafted my way up to phase 4 and begun only now to make real facilities.. i could as well just start from scratch.. only thing that bothers me is i had to recollect al lthem hdds etc

[undone kestrel]

I've been playing this game since EA released and restarted every major update

[burnt ferry]

yes thats what i did. just not every update but only update 5 and 1.1 experimental

well i started out 1.0

[willow dawn]

I'm about to make my first trainline ever.... wish me luck

[burnt ferry]

im too close to portals though.. with those it shouldnt matter anymore.. i ran out of screws to day so i had to stop and drive ALL THE WAY back to my base where the screws are put into my dim update.. turns out i had started to reconstruct something but stopped after the deconstruction phase for that

you know what this game needs.. a synthesizer

[shy mulch]

a synthesizer for what?

isn't that just manually crafting?

[burnt ferry]

in no mans sky you can unlock a boombox, pretty similar to the one in satis, as you can collect records for it.... however it also has a composing menu where you have a 4 track arranger and a rather complex modular synthesizer.. and you can build several of those. and then connect different speakrers, letthing through only certain notes and such

so you can compose your own ingame music with an ingame tool

[shy mulch]

oh music synth, I thought you meant item sytn

[burnt ferry]

lul no.. is there a synthesizer building? i mean the wording would fit, just never heard of it

like in this case an item synthesizer building

[shy mulch]

I thought you were talking about manually crafting stuff, like a crafting bench

[burnt ferry]

nah

[shy mulch]

makes sense now that you explained you were talking about music 🙂

[burnt ferry]

a crafting benchs already in the game. i wouldnt call that'ýou know what this game needs' 😂

[shy mulch]

that's why I was confused

you were talking about not having enough screws, then said game needs a synth, I thought why lol

I had star trek style replicator in mind

[lavish burrow]

Okay, I saw this when I tabbed over to message someone, and I just wanted to say, I agree, i'd love to see a way to set up music in some way.

[burnt ferry]

you gotta try out the thing in nms then. its really dope

[shy mulch]

I just play youtube music on other screen..

[lavish burrow]

So I can do the same thing I always do: play the same first sixteen notes of heian alien over and over again

[lavish burrow]

spirit animal.

[austere pendant]

gm

[burnt ferry]

hrhr... im also not as experienced enough yet.... but its fun messing with it and it inspired me to do something in my actual daw 😂

[lavish burrow]

well. partial spirit animal.

I used to dabble in music composition, actually.

[burnt ferry]

so you aare saying you were misunderstanding me? might be a useful information to keep in mind 😜

[lavish burrow]

There was a brief period of time where I hung out in the same skype room as toby fox when he was working on homestuck.

(Which is to say, literally like thirty seconds and he was offline.)

Wait, damn it, i'm doing it again. Socializing.

[burnt ferry]

i tahought about streaming music live.. i feel like im almost ready in my daw..

[burnt ferry]

youre right.. how dare you luring me into it

lemme waste my time playing balatro for crying out loud

[fluid sapphire]

havent opened my DAW in literally a year oops

[lavish burrow]

See, we both know that that's blatantly false, so it can't be taken serio- wait, that's a good idea.

[burnt ferry]

lets all open our daw now and make something

meet in 2 hours in off topic

[lavish burrow]

I guess i'm going to go get annoyed at being denied any sort of viable early game jokers for an hour or so.

[shy mulch]

I should really learn how to play music properly

[fluid sapphire]

i cant, i have to work on my binary search tree uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[shy mulch]

I bought a piano 2 years ago, it just gathers dust, can't play it. Seemed like a good idea at the time

[lavish burrow]

...i'll just leave FFXIV running while I play.

[burnt ferry]

no.. it will be about drawing no face cards when your build is all about face and then after you basrely made it to ante 7, the boss will be face cards debuffed

[lavish burrow]

Nah, that was me with two polychrome barons and getting the plant on ante 7 and no way to reroll it.

[burnt ferry]

i say from all the options its one of the best. as it is super easy to learn (if you learn it 😂 ) and also pretty versatile because you control synthesizers with them keys

[lavish burrow]

Wait, that's what you said.

...I'm just going to go now.

[burnt ferry]

hrhrhr

and in case the mood gets just TOOO good... checkout them rustylake games on steam and on rustylake.com where many of them are available for free

[grizzled lotus]

when should I start working on a "mega factory"? I'm about to unlock trains, and it feels some things require a long set-up

also, is train and railroad setting different in 1.1?

[dense violet]

Never is an option?

and honestly if you're not working from the very end points, a mega will get very messy very fast

[grizzled lotus]

what do you mean end points?

[timid rune]

working backwards from the end product

basically if you want a mega factory you want to set a target of <x> amount of items per min/ etc

[lost wagon]

just make a mega factory covering the whole map 4head

[dense violet]

as in you plan the very final productions you're making, and break it down from there

slapping on new sections willy nilly as you go is messy

which is fine if you're fine with that?

[timid rune]

hmm looks like 1500 dark matter crystals/min is gonna be quite rough hah

[shy mulch]

1500 DMC is a very tough ask haha

[timid rune]

I am working on whether 30 warp drive/min is possible (well it is)

[shy mulch]

I'm sure people have done more than that

[south lion]

is there a bug with conveyor lifts?

it doesnt wanna move items down even tho the same setup works next to it

[shy mulch]

not that I'm aware of

possible it's just not properly connected, try destroy it and build it again, just the lift

[south lion]

did that 5 times

[shy mulch]

hmm

[south lion]

its just a lift taking things from a splitter

[shy mulch]

another one exactly the same works, but that one doesn't?

and it's definitely connected to the splitter properly, and the right way round?

[south lion]

yeah

ok one fixed itself

gonna try to fix the other

[timid rune]

maybe time to do the unholy thing of OC'ed Particle Accelerators hah

[south lion]

welp idk what happened there but works now

[keen hawk]

OC is fine

Dont sloop it tho

[tidal epoch]

how do i scan power slugs?

[keen hawk]

Unless you want your entire grid to spontaeneously combust

[timid rune]

I still have about 300 GW of head room

[tidal epoch]

i researched it but its still not showing when i hold "v"

[keen hawk]

You need an object scanner

[timid rune]

before I need to finish off buiilding the rest of the of the nuclear build

[keen hawk]

Same with hard drives and such

They dont show up on the map, its more like a proximity detector

You need to hold an object scanner in your hand

[tidal epoch]

how do i make it

i have researched it already

[shy mulch]

same way you make any equipment

[tidal epoch]

got it

[lost wagon]

and you hold the click to select what it tracks

[shy mulch]

not sure if it's intentional, but during the warnings that take ages when you first start the game, if you hit the windows key then click back to the game, it skips them

[lost wagon]

I just use a mod to remove them altogether lmao

[marble silo]

hi hi

i'm new... not literally

I'm looking for someone who wants to play. whit me, that is aldes

i'm not an English speaker soo

[silk ocean]

Fully overclocked and slooped Manufacturer = 787.7 MW Yikes xD

[mortal ginkgo]

a certain late game building can go up to 26GW

[silk ocean]

Whoa 😄

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758 see if anyone has posted anything that interests you

[marble silo]

ho thanks

[arctic isle]

how many generators do i need for 1000 rocket fuel

[hard ivy]

Depends on the clock speed

Default consumption rate is 25/6 /min

[tidal epoch]

is there a teleport command?

[arctic isle]

25/6?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch fpg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fpg

[dense violet]

!wikisearch fuel_powered_generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel_powered_generator

[hard ivy]

4.1(6) or 4.166666...

[arctic isle]

ah

thank you both

[barren eagle]

Man I'm stupid jajajjaj, I was fully sure I was using mk2 from the drill or how ever it's called to the furnaces, but then I realize, the elevator belt is just mk1

[stray thicket]

I have a save from before 1.0 where I'm about at the coal stage start of steel. Is there a lot of story before that or is it alright if I just continue playing?

[dense violet]

it's more that thingsd won't unlock and trigger properly if you don't start a new save

and getting to coal doesn't take long

[wispy rain]

Probably worth a restart yeah

[stray thicket]

In what sense? Like achievements?

[dense violet]

story bits, dialogue things like that

maybe not hte elevator animations? not sure

[stray thicket]

Wish I could just blueprint my factory and plop it in my new save and just unlock the tiers via cheats

[dense violet]

use a save editor. but you sound like you could probably use a referesher anyway

and there are in game cheats

[stray thicket]

Wdym sound like I could use a refresher 😭

[willow dawn]

omg building curved foundations for my railway is going to give me a migraine

[dense violet]

more than a year ago?

again

you have save editors to do things
there are in game cheats that can do what you want

but it also doesn't take long to just get to coal again

you do you

[stray thicket]

Have save editors progressed so far that you can just copy paste entire structures between saves?

[stray thicket]

I had a pretty decent factory with a relatively significant amount of hours. Sure I could rush to coal but getting to where I was would take a lot longer

[silk ocean]

Lighting at night is so nice - the belts look sooo preettyyy

[dense violet]

google it and find out. You'll have to tinker with them

they can do lots of stuff

[stray thicket]

I remember when deleting buildings one at a time in them was a big new feature lol

[willow dawn]

I have a question about the blueprint designer (two actually). I just made a new blueprint and I saved it (in the right catagory) and in the blue print designer I see them build when I go into build mode I don't

What is going wrong?

Or do I need to clear the blueprint desinger first before they will appear there?

[barren eagle]

Is there any different between a mk1 and a mk2 drill in a pure node?

[willow dawn]

yes, twice as much ore

[south sinew]

MK2 always gives double whatever a MK1 would give

[barren eagle]

ouh, so I have mk2 belts for a factory, where furnaces need 30 ore per min, I'm wasting 120 per min, from the mk2 drill? Because the mk2 belts works at 120/min, and the mk2 drill in the pure node will extract 240/min???

[grizzled lotus]

is setting up trains or railways different in 1.1?

[bold wedge]

for turbofuel, should i place 106 refineries or should i fully overclock 42 refineries? or anything in between

[grizzled lotus]

also, any guidelines? my only guideline is to build my railways up high

[bold wedge]

you can autoconnect some sort of rail support blueprint

[grizzled lotus]

oh, is there a video for that?

[bold wedge]

dont know

[frail sleet]

in that case yes, you only get 120 until you get the next belt tier. But you get that tier soon.

270, 480 and even 780 belts come before mk.3 miners

[bold wedge]

but you can make something like this #screenshots message

[frail sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1UnsjD82c

skip to 10:15

If you get to one of those spots where you struggle to build, press H and pgup/pgdown/wasd to build wherever you want

[dense violet]

Don’t need it very high. 8m is often good enough

There’s lots of videos on YouTube about signals?

As for building the rail, zoop a line of foundations the whole way, then blueprint pylons onto it and connect rails along them. Keeps them tidy and issue free

[bold wedge]

chat

[bold wedge]

^

[frail sleet]

place more

[dense violet]

Whatever you like

[grizzled lotus]

pylons?

[bold wedge]

but how much is it going to counter the power production if i overclock everything

[dense violet]

Something that goes into the air a bit and can have 2 rails

You can put the 10-12 foundations away from each other

[bold wedge]

was gonna just place more but it takes a lot of space

[dense violet]

Over clocking uses very little power.

If power is a concern then your real problem is needing to build more power

[bold wedge]

its not

i thought overclocking was more power expensive than that

[dense violet]

It’s not
Also power is extremely easy to build

[bold wedge]

bruh i know

i said power isnt a concern

it just felt counter intuitive to use that turbo fuel for power if the process of making the turbofuel would just eat that power anyway

[dense violet]

Gotta spend power to make it

But it’s up to what you want is more important, a lot of space or a bit of power

[candid loom]

Where do y’all reccomend base locations for like phase 2/3. No trains yet.

[willow dawn]

Welll dang.... I just had the game crash in the middle of making blueprints.... don't know how much is lost

[willow dawn]

Depends where you are starting from 🙂

[candid loom]

But thinking about moving idk?

[willow dawn]

And what you are looking to make

[candid loom]

Is there any good general area with mix of deposits or does each area have their own niche

[willow dawn]

Just build close to whatever resources you need for your next factory

[wicked nacelle]

all the basic stuff is spread pretty evenly. Coal is a big scarce in the newb starting spot but other than that iron/copper/limestone/coal is basicallye verywhere

[unkempt blade]

through phase 2 your resources are basically near all the starting locations in phase 3 oil might be a little more of a hike depending on where you are

[wicked nacelle]

oil is the first thing that is a bit harder to find

[candid loom]

Yeah it’s fine rn. Just a matter of no coal atm

[wicked nacelle]

are you in the southwest corner?

[candid loom]

Umm not on game rn one sec

Lemme find a map online

[wicked nacelle]

did you pick "easy starting spot"?

[candid loom]

Whatever the first one is

So field not forest my bad

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, coal is a bit scarce there.

[candid loom]

Also is there any use in going to the island in the far corner?

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, there's coal

[candid loom]

Are there other resources as well a good spread or no

[wicked nacelle]

there's a pure node of coal there and one to the east a bit. But with low-tier miners you can burn through that really quick

[raw dragon]

I found a pack of 4 normal coal nodes near a "easy starting spot" but it is at the bottom of a waterfall

[candid loom]

Fair enoug

I think I know what you’re taking about tho

[wicked nacelle]

anyhow, I think that was intentional so you can't get too comfortable in the easy starter spot. Other starting spots are more challenging initially but you can stay there longer

[raw dragon]

The desert had me go everywhere but my base could stay put till I got oil power

[candid loom]

Is there a way to fast destroy everything in an area like not just the normal cttrl click but like mov e a full base

[wicked nacelle]

not "everything" but hold control and you can select up to 50 things to destroy at a time.

[candid loom]

Kk yeah ty

Is there a way to increase range for destroying

[wicked nacelle]

no

[candid loom]

Ok Ty

[hard ivy]

You can use a save editor if you want and move or remove whatever you want

[undone yarrow]

33% more power at max OC vs building 2.5 buildings at base speed or so

[bold wedge]

interesting

[wicked nacelle]

I build everything fully overclocked unless I'm laying out a bunch of manufacturers...and sometimes even then. Like I couldn't imagine not overclocking crystal oscillator manu's. 1/minute would be insane

now that I think about it that's got to be a quarter of all my manufacturers

[hard ivy]

34.3%, actually

[undone yarrow]

close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades (even if I'm still of camp crafting buildings should have linear clock speeds if they aren't slooped)

[wicked nacelle]

all clock speeds are linear by production rate

[fathom shuttle]

Use the alt for 2x the speed 🙂

[undone yarrow]

linear power scaling >~<

[wicked nacelle]

There is no linear power scaling in the game.

[hard ivy]

250% clock speed is 2.5 times faster production, but not 2.5 times the power consumption

[wicked nacelle]

yep no power scaling is linear

[hard ivy]

Power output of generators is

[wicked nacelle]

ok

but the point is that there is no overclock setting that makes something either linear or non-linear. It is what it is at every %

[undone yarrow]

And I dislike that game design choice

as it makes underclocking feel cheesy and overclocking feel wasteful

[fathom shuttle]

Diamonds need a lot of coal with the default recipe it’s crazy

[hard ivy]

I wish the difference was larger

[wicked nacelle]

you would have REALLY not liked it before they nerfed the overclock % increases

[undone yarrow]

Indeed.

[hard ivy]

The old exponent of 1.6 was better imo

[fathom shuttle]

2400 coal to 120 diamonds lol

[wicked nacelle]

yeah pink and turbo diamonds are basically required for serious production

[undone yarrow]

it is curious how polarizing that choice is

[fathom shuttle]

I’m going for pink & oil based diamonds

I have 4k oil in the world that I’ll never use so it’s basically free

[wicked nacelle]

there's really no gameplay in just doing the exact same thing but making you make 2.5x more buildings vs being incredibly punished

[fathom shuttle]

Should be 700-800 diamonds just from the oil

It depends on how much dark matter crystal I’ll need to make fresh vs recycle but I think even 400 is fine

[silk ocean]

Is the Power Augmenter worth the 10 sloops?

[undone yarrow]

depends on what you'd otherwise use the sloops on

[wicked nacelle]

for many people, yes. and scooby snacks.

Remember, you can always tear it down and get them back

[silk ocean]

I'll give it a try, thanks 😄

Yea true

[undone yarrow]

But ballpark needs to be around a 400,000mw grid if it'd be used on a power production item

[silk ocean]

Oh I am way off that at the moment xD

[fathom shuttle]

Only built one to see how it looks but it can be great to have a in a pinch

[silk ocean]

I'll build one after I gather a few more sloops and see how it goes

[hard ivy]

I would even go as far as 1.8 or even 2. Right now, the meta is basically build everything at 100% until you have enough shards, then everything at 250%

[fathom shuttle]

How many time crystals do I need for the DD

[wicked nacelle]

except for slooped stuff -- especially elevator stuff

[south sinew]

None; DD doesn't consume any time crystals

[fathom shuttle]

Just remember where you put any soommersloops

I’m missing like 30 or so out of the 50 I gathered lmao

[wicked nacelle]

SCIM can tell you where they are if they're in buildings

[silk ocean]

lol yes! I've been noting them down in notepad++

[wicked nacelle]

if you put them in a chest, then... ??

[silk ocean]

(Which machines they are in)

[dusty horizon]

why would you put them in a chest, what does it produce? 😄

[undone yarrow]

Which is exactly why I dislike that its not linear.

The cost is hunting the slugs/making the shard factory, the reward is having to make a fraction of the buildings.

Instead you get double punished both with the cost of obtaining the shards AND now having to make/spend more resources on power generation

[fathom shuttle]

No I just overclock machines randomly til I get what I need

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know, but if you did and they got lost that way I don't know how to find them

[fathom shuttle]

Ok good luck make any nuclear power station without powershards at scale lol

[undone yarrow]

its 100's of machines either way

[dusty horizon]

can somebody, please, gift me the remaining coupons for the beryl nut statue? so far I have 420 xd

[fathom shuttle]

hold on guys let me place 5 water extractors instead placing just 2 facing each other and connecting them straight up

[undone yarrow]

megaprint went brr because blueprints and water extractors dont mix

[dusty horizon]

I wish there were Mk2 buildings at least for all the processes

[fathom shuttle]

For water extractors?

It doesn’t really matter either way, the current one is fine

[dusty horizon]

yeah why not

plopping down buildings repeatedly is not demanding or interesting, might as well just cut down 50% of it or more

[vale quail]

is it to early to do my wish list for 1.2

[undone yarrow]

It do be demanding on the computer. (which is why the in game reward/punishment of playing with clock speed further annoys me)

[leaden ether]

Amusingly, the exponential increase in power to run machinery faster is a real thing, it also applies to Chips as well, incl. CPUs and GPUs.

[lucid epoch]

how much turbo fuel does a fuel generator use p/min?

[silk ocean]

I have 6 blenders doing Turbo Motors, they are fed by 2 large tanks of Nitrogen that are roughly 50-60% full all the time (as the train comes in/out), 600/sec plumbing. The flow rate seems very slow. 0m of headlift. Any ideas why they aren't sucking up more Nitrogen? Tried a pump, no benefit

i.e. 3 per tank / plumbing run. Which is 450/min requirement

[undone yarrow]

Gas at least has infinite (well 9999 meters) of headlift so a pump wont do anything

[sharp bay]

7.5 cubic meters/minute

[lucid epoch]

thanks

[undone yarrow]

Yes, it makes sense IRL, but IRL has crap balancng :P

[silk ocean]

Thanks

[lavish burrow]

AHAHAHAHAHA

[hard ivy]

So does satisfactory in a few places

[lavish burrow]

I BEAT JOKERLESS

[hard ivy]

Sir, this is not the balatro server

[undone yarrow]

Yes, but mods or complaining at coffee stain can change that

what the right balancing is though is the question

[lavish burrow]

no, it is not. but I still shouted it here because i am very excited.

[bitter agate]

More than 3 at a time is pointless unless you're making the special item for making more power augmenting

[green fiber]

augmenters become better the more power you already have

so if you make next to none, a single one is quite weak

[hard ivy]

I'd say whatever feels fun for the largest number of people is the right balance

[silk ocean]

I've deployed 1, which is a useful 10% boost, I'll see how it goes, if I need the sloops I'll tear it down 🙂

[bitter agate]

Doubtful you'll need them unless you don't explore the map

[silk ocean]

Indeed

[bitter agate]

Get the achievements, it's funny

[silk ocean]

ADA is hilarious yea XD

[bitter agate]

I just need to pet the moth and then do crazy things

[lavish burrow]

i'd argue that the flat power from a single one is still reasonably substantial on it's own

[green fiber]

depends on the exact base power of course

[lavish burrow]

but then again, I also tend to have far more sloops to work with early on than most

[green fiber]

500 MW on its own is just 2 fuel generators

[undone yarrow]

550*

[green fiber]

500 base, 10% boost

[south sinew]

it's really all about the 10% boost and you need a lot of power for that 10% to really matter I feel

[lavish burrow]

...yknow, thinking about it more, I think it just synergizes with my own playstyle particularily well.

mostly that I just don't really use a lot of power in the first place.

[undone yarrow]

Eeyup, but that boost does apply to the generator's 500

ah well yeah, it is just 1% power per shard is the big hmm

[bitter agate]

Still adds up to 550 MW on one Augmenter if there's no added power, biomass doesn't count toward it unless it's actively making power. Power networks usually benefit from it the most

[green fiber]

i know, i just have it engrained in my brain as 500 MW base. the 10% is applied to everything at the end

[lavish burrow]

my initial 1.0 save, I basically powered to game end with five augumenters and geothermal

[bitter agate]

Depends on how many are on the grid*

It decreases the more there are on the network

Only way to make 30% bonus is way late game

[lavish burrow]

the reason you need to calculate them separately

is because adding more doesn't mean adding another 550

[bitter agate]

Pretty sure they have the formula somewhere

[green fiber]

shouldnt it be increase

[green fiber]

#math-and-meta message

[bitter agate]

Only increases marginally, not the same though

[undone yarrow]

I mean, you can get over 20,000 mw on just Geo+Alien Gen

It's an additiave change so framing

[lavish burrow]

is it not just 10% of "base" power per augmenter, with each augmenter also adding 500MW of "base" power?

[green fiber]

yes

[undone yarrow]

That is correct

[green fiber]

Augmenter math is funny

[lavish burrow]

and I know that the bonus isn't multiplicative with multiple augmenters

[hard ivy]

It's very simple

[bitter agate]

I just connect them and number go up equals happy face

[green fiber]

never said it wasnt

just that i find it funny

[lavish burrow]

what part of it?

[green fiber]

all of it

[bitter agate]

Humorous part is that I think I have a spreadsheet that can calculate it somewhat accurately

[hard ivy]

How do you calculate it "somewhat" accurately??? It's one formula

[lavish burrow]

son let me tell you about floating point numbers...

[green fiber]

i found it so funny i specifically worked out that polynomial equation

[bitter agate]

Game and recreating it are not always the same, also I didn't account for Geothermal fluctuations

[split turret]

does anyone know to to fix the lagging problem?, i always get this lag on some places (there is no structure) or sometime

[lavish burrow]

i have no idea if it actually has anything to do with floating point actually. that's just usually when math enters the "somewhat" territory.

[undone yarrow]

What I mean by framing is you can phrase it as "each augmentor incrases your base grid by 10%" or in the way that makes it sound like each is less effective of "the first increases your total grid by1/10th then 1/11th then 12th until the last is 1/20th"

[green fiber]

the percentages are additive, not multiplicative, thankfully

[lavish burrow]

see I feel like this is one of those times that me being a path of exile player makes things a lot simpler

[green fiber]

so 2 augmenters is a 20% boost, not 21%

[bitter agate]

People would have exploited it if they figured that out

[hard ivy]

Why "thankfully"? 1.1² is more than 1.2
We'd get more power from multiplicative bonuses

[green fiber]

its just simpler to work with

[lavish burrow]

eh, it wouldn't it be much of an exploit, so much as... the game being balanced differently.

[green fiber]

if it was multiplicative it would just grow faster

[lavish burrow]

though it would create an interesting incentive to use multiple augmenters rather than overslooping.

[bitter agate]

They intended it to give less the more you put on the network unless you make the advanced item

[hard ivy]

1.3¹⁰ is 13.8 lol

Imagine that instead of the 4 we can currently get

[lavish burrow]

this is all just hypotheticals. i'm just talking about if it were balanced that way.

[bitter agate]

Nuclear would be obsolete in that version of the game then

[hard ivy]

It already is

[bitter agate]

It's not obsolete

[green fiber]

well you still need power to boost.
so it wouldnt be obsolete.... just optional

[lavish burrow]

just as everything essentially is.

[green fiber]

Nuclear was always "for those interested in it"

[bitter agate]

It's also more prep work and a dozen different things that can go wrong if you misplace a filter

[green fiber]

You can argue all day weather making nuclear optional was a good choice or not.
Not the point though

[lavish burrow]

sometimes I feel like y'all forget that playstyles that aren't necessarily the most optimal are still valid

[bitter agate]

Different paths for power, depends on how they want power

[green fiber]

its really just flavour

[bitter agate]

I like my spicy rocks

Reminds me of scary big green hog

[lavish burrow]

bauxite still makes me think of boneless spicy chicken wings. i am not afraid to admit that

[bitter agate]

...I'm not going to be able to unsee that now

[open pollen]

How do you get that from the image of bauxite?

[lavish burrow]

and then aluminum is like. obviously the foil it comes in

it all makes sense

[open pollen]

Crap I’m starting to kinda see it now

[lavish burrow]

moreso the model of it on a belt.

[bitter agate]

Bad, stop it. Caterium is off brand Gold

[lavish burrow]

yeah, that's literally exactly what it is

[hard ivy]

It's literally called gold in the game files

[lavish burrow]

it exists as a separate element to justify it being MAM research

[green fiber]

Mooom can we have gold
"We have gold at home"
Gold at home:

[marble matrix]

is power slugs limited?

[green fiber]

yes/no*

[hard ivy]

Technically no

[bitter agate]

Power shards... no if you're making them later on

[spiral summit]

you can get infinite slugs via doggos

but good luck

[lavish burrow]

so slugs are... possibly unlimited, but it depends on if doggo respawning actually works in this version

[open pollen]

There are a limited number of power slugs you can find but the shards can be crafted late game. But remember that when you are making power shards you can sloop them

[kind obsidian]

Unless a Doggo finds them too

[green fiber]

slugs you can find are limited, doggos can endlessly generate more though
and power shards can be automated without slugs later on
So like.... everything

[lavish burrow]

it's always been inconsistent in my experience if doggos will respawn

[arctic isle]

should i go for stitched iron plates or cooling device alternate recipes

[lavish burrow]

uhhh...

i'm not really a fan of either of those actually

[green fiber]

if you cant decide, then dont right now

wait for a new project and then you can still decide

[hard ivy]

My condolences for getting this far without stitched plates

[open pollen]

Depends on what you want production line wise and what you need

[lavish burrow]

the iron wire + stitched plate combination is, like... the epitome of the kind of production line I dislike

[fluid sapphire]

why tho

[hard ivy]

I love it. Easy, efficient

[fluid sapphire]

iron go brrr

[arctic isle]

im prob going for stitched plate because the cooling device is not to hard to make

[lavish burrow]

iron does not go brrr

[green fiber]

too boring. wheres the funny expensive materials

[kind obsidian]

Just decorate your bases with extra slugs all over the place 🙂 good company too Doom slug Boom Slug* for Skyward Fans*

[lavish burrow]

it has a slower production speed than any of the alternatives

[green fiber]

Reinforced uranium iron plates where are you

[lavish burrow]

but mostly, it's because the ratios between both those recipes don't synergize at all

[hard ivy]

May I interest you in aluminium-only rotors?

[green fiber]

i already know of it and its on my radar

[hard ivy]

As if that actually ever matters

[fluid sapphire]

right? just make more machines

[fleet furnace]

hey

anyone wanna play satisfactory with me?

[open pollen]

According to the wiki it is the second highest output a min out of the 4 recipes

[fluid sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[green fiber]

i WISH i could do aluminum only motors.....

[hard ivy]

Not just that. If it's fast, but expensive (*cough* bolted plate), it doesn't even save you space, power or machines. It's just bad.

[green fiber]

which wiki. wiki.gg or fandom

[lavish burrow]

so trying to make them purely out of iron leads to people doing the usual "shove all the stuff on a belt and let it figure out where to go" thing that isn't my cup of tea.

[open pollen]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Reinforced_Iron_Plate

[undone yarrow]

The only RIP recipe faster is Bolted, who's whole gimmick is resource waste for speed

[fluid sapphire]

whats "it"

[lavish burrow]

well, I was referring to iron wire.

[fluid sapphire]

ah

[lavish burrow]

but that's only one of the reasons, and not really the main one.

i actually prefer adhered iron plates, which is the slowest RIP recipe.

[green fiber]

lets go team adhered

[lavish burrow]

nice.

[green fiber]

if you also use coated steel plate then you get bonus points

[undone yarrow]

Ah. That seems a "which resource do you care least about"

Aye, the oil based RIPs are so dirt cheap

[lavish burrow]

well I in fact do

[green fiber]

yippie

[open pollen]

I would not like moving rubber/plastic to every facility I have that needs reinforced plates with that recipe 😆

[lavish burrow]

they're basically the opposite in terms of my preference- more interesting materials, synergistic recipes, and...

i guess there wasn't a third thing.

[hard ivy]

I chose between stitched and adhered depending on which resource (iron or oil) would be easier to get that little bit extra of in that location

[lavish burrow]

see but here's the thing about rubber and plastic- they're used in so many useful alternates in relatively small quantities

[undone yarrow]

Using a tiny amount of a more expensive material to need dirt cheap amounts of a cheaper one?

[lavish burrow]

you can easily justify supplying them to centralized production areas and distributing them around

[open pollen]

I just hate making trains and more stations since I have separate facilities that are a bit far from one another

[lavish burrow]

this particular use case works better with drones IMO

[open pollen]

Hmmmmm, true

[hard ivy]

Trains are fine too. The only issue is that your factory may end up being half stations by area

[lavish burrow]

i usually just go with the default while progressing, though.

adhered is more of what I go for once I am making much larger scale setups

[undone yarrow]

for 100 RIPs using Iron Wire, standard plates and stichted you need a touch over 870 ingots

for 100 RIPs using the oil pair it drops to 150 ingots for... 130 combined plastic and rubber or 43 1/3 oil

[lavish burrow]

and my philosophy is that, what, really, is the main reason to ever need a lot of RIPs being made in one location?

well, HMFs, essentially.

and those eat up a loooot of steel.

[undone yarrow]

Iron Pipe goes brr

[lavish burrow]

that... is even worse.

[undone yarrow]

but Modular Frame line and Smart Plating line

[lavish burrow]

i suppose I should clarify that the factor i'm considering when I mention steel is the base iron.

[hard ivy]

Adhered needs fewer machines, so I will absolutely use it if I need a lot of RIPs and need oil in that factory for another reason anyway

[hard ivy]

Iron and limestone only HMFs are fun

Especially steeled frame without steel

[lavish burrow]

and it really boils down to, if I can make a HMF factory using the output of a group of adjacent iron nodes and not have to import it from elsewhere... i'll generally do that.

[undone yarrow]

Iron Pipe to use the "steel" variants of iron recipes is funny because its like .1% less iron efficient but needs like half the machines

[tropic ether]

im so done lmao, built my first ever nuclear power plant and didnt realise you can't out the waste into a sink

[undone yarrow]

Plutonium Rods can be sunk

[lavish burrow]

it tends to also help determine the specific quantity of HMF/m I aim for

[undone yarrow]

(or burnt waste free as vehicle fuel)

[tropic ether]

if I go through the effort for that I may aswell put it into another plany

[hard ivy]

0.3% iirc. But yes. There's barely any difference in iron, and way fewer machines

[lavish burrow]

radioactive trucks are no laughing matter.

[hard ivy]

But then you get plutonium waste

[lavish burrow]

well okay no they're actually hilarious

[fluid sapphire]

literally just finished an HMF factory like that, though i did have to bring a tiny amount of copper and plastic to fit into my iron budget

[tropic ether]

isn't it like 1 per minute

[hard ivy]

It's much less waste, but it's way more radioactive

[undone yarrow]

True if you're fine storing the waste since building a "will last for 200 hours" storage hall isnt really hard

But Ficsonium is so depressingly bad at its job

[lavish burrow]

plutonium waste will accumulate much more slowly. but tbh if you build a proper storage site for it, it's really a nonissue

[hard ivy]

You only need to put the waste storage in the corner of the map or 2km up in the sky

Otherwise it'll irradiate an area like a kilometer in diameter

[tropic ether]

flying manta not gonna be happy flying through radioactiviyy

[lavish burrow]

but it slows down as it gets larger

because it has more.... "surface area" to cover.

[undone yarrow]

Plus, if the clicking doesnt annoy you, 5 filters/min is really not that hard to make as far as radioactive vehicles or the waste storage sight goes

[lavish burrow]

eh, flying manta doesn't care.

[lavish burrow]

the trick to ficsonium is not to try to use it to fully utilize all the possible plutonium you can make

[mortal ginkgo]

Its job is "ending the sink cycle". Not give insane amount of power. It actually does its job quite fine. 😄

[hard ivy]

2km up is way out of reach of any manta

[lavish burrow]

it's to run a bit of extra nuclear power waste free without having to sink plutonium rods

or at least, not all of them.

[mortal ginkgo]

^

[hard ivy]

The trick to Ficsonium is to not make it in the first place and just convert bauxite into more uranium if you need it. It's both cheaper and easier

[mortal ginkgo]

"Solution is playing the game less."

[lavish burrow]

or you can use less uranium in the first place.

[mortal ginkgo]

People who are at the stage of making Fisconium is already at the far end of needing power and probably finished game.

It is not a solution but a fun puzzle for them at this point.

[lavish burrow]

it's more fun than alien power matrices, at least.

[mortal ginkgo]

There are also happy players who do not have 304583985 nuclear power plants. They got like 10.

[hard ivy]

And use double bauxite, and like 20x more SAM. Because uranium is oh so scarce it needs to be saved

[fluid sapphire]

i will literally not ever finish the game, because if i do, its over, and i dont like the idea of it being over

[undone yarrow]

Ficsonium could burn for 0 power and it'd still be hot garbage because it takes to much per plutonium waste

[lavish burrow]

so you just willingly contradict yourself in order to disagree with people, huh

[mortal ginkgo]

You are thinking it backwards. You are making Fisconium so you can finally have a safe nuclear power. The more plutonium you usre, the more fisconium you should make.

[undone yarrow]

Or... just not burn Plutonium in a reactor. Burn it in vehicles or just sink it

[lavish burrow]

hmm. you know, let me take a step back

[hard ivy]

It's Ficsonium that's that much more expensive

[mortal ginkgo]

"People who are at the stage of making Fisconium is already at the far end of needing power and probably finished the game.

It is not a solution but a fun puzzle for them at this point."

You don't need it? Don't do it. But it is hardly a "bad thing".

[lavish burrow]

i think i've lost track of the conversation somewhere along the way

[hard ivy]

It's not really a "fun" puzzle when I know I could be getting more power easier and cheaper with another method

[undone yarrow]

The puzzle is realizing its just not worth the trouble

[lavish burrow]

okay, I see now.

well ultimately this just boils down to the same thing I said earlier

[mortal ginkgo]

It's not fun for you. It sure has looks fun for me.

[hard ivy]

Would it be less fun for you if it was a better power source and therefore more fun for me?

[mortal ginkgo]

This discussion was done not long ago for at least an hour. It all cycles back to "well you can just sink plutionium" and others saying "but I want to use plotinum"

[lavish burrow]

i don't understand why you seem to take, like... personal offense at the fact that there exist options that are not the most optimal possible way to do things

i also said "you" but wasn't really... referring to anyone specifically.

i'm a little bit out of it right now if it's not obvious. sorry about that

[mortal ginkgo]

your entire argument is "just sink it, its not worth it."

there were multiple times of multiple people trying to tell you that "fisconium is there to make it so nuclear power is fully safe".

You don't want it, don't do it.

You are not here for to fun, you are here to avoid the issue.

Fisconium is a literal puzzle that people can solve, or not.

Because at THAT stage of game, you are already at ultra late game.

[lavish burrow]

my perspective on ficsonium is that it is ideally used in small nuclear setups that don't go and maximize an entire uranium node right off the bat

it makes that sort of thing a lot more viable, as well as not using the uranium fuel rod-related alts

[mortal ginkgo]

Before you go in another circle with such folk, I want you to know that multiple times we tried to tell them "if it is such a big issue, don't use all uranium" and they went "why is there so many uranium then."

Its like endless cycle, it's not worth it.

[hard ivy]

I want to do it. But knowing that it's so shit is extremely demotivating. So I still didn't do it, and instead spent weeks to make a mod to make it make sense, and make it an even harder puzzle.

And I am asking you, whether making it better would take away your (or anyone else's) fun? Because it would absolutely add to mine.

[lavish burrow]

yeah okay. this is exactly the sort of thing that I can get way too drawn into, so i'm gonna go do something else

nobody is going to change anyone else's mind here. that's really... all there is to it, I suppose?

[mortal ginkgo]

"it's so shit" is your opinion, not mine.

Ultra late game stuff needs ultra late game issues. If devs decided to make fisconium easier, I wouldn't mind.

It doesn't hurt me.

But you are constantly missing the point for the sake of it.

[mortal ginkgo]

Not really. This is like "Do it." "I don't wanna do it." "Don't do it then?" "But I wanna do it." cycle.

[lavish burrow]

you aren't going to change my mind on this, i'm very sorry

[mortal ginkgo]

oh what I meant is, "yeah"

[hard ivy]

I am not missing the point. The point is to get rid of plutonium waste. I just think it costs way too much and/or doesn't give enough power

[mortal ginkgo]

I said "not really" by mistake

[lavish burrow]

ugh see now I want to argue with you about the fact that what you said I think is trying to change people's minds! this is very silly

[mortal ginkgo]

This is your opinion. People disagree with your opinion.

[lavish burrow]

freakin' human nature

[willow dawn]

Woooohoooo I build my first fully functional trainrail!

And it works!

[lavish burrow]

heeey congrats!!

[mortal ginkgo]

You can't change someone's mind when they think what they think is a "universal fact".

Thing is, Fisconium is hardly bad for people who are using "fair" amount of Uranium, not trying to use all of it which is a ridiculous thing to do.

[lavish burrow]

now you have entered the trainzone. and you can never escape

[fluid sapphire]

choo choo, all aboard

[lavish burrow]

PLEASE LET ME LEAVE I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOU

[mortal ginkgo]

Also I would like to add that -

[willow dawn]

I realize you guys are arguing about stuff I don't even understand yet cause I am no where near that but I am feeling very good about myself 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

[lavish burrow]

(i am generally joking around but I am ready to move on from this and do other things)

[green fiber]

Ficsonium good because its yellow.
Pinksonium would be an affront to FICSIT

[mortal ginkgo]

Nah I am just yapping. I don't ever argue with someone who got "Love Balancers" in their name anyway.

[fluid sapphire]

hell yeah, i know exactly what you mean, i also recently built my first rail loop

[mortal ginkgo]

THose people are not right in their heads.

[lavish burrow]

remember that feeling. whenever you feel overwhelmed, just remember that feeling.

[mortal ginkgo]

I love tractors but but 😦

Trains are tempting.

[green fiber]

no need for personal attacks.

Besides, the only people who are insane are truly those that build more than 100 fuel generators

[willow dawn]

Mine is just a simple loop too but I build it HOPING that I will be able to expand it without toooo much trouble

[fluid sapphire]

dual rail?

[lavish burrow]

technically speaking, there is also at least one person here who is named insane.

[fluid sapphire]

very easy to just plug in new tracks from wherever

[willow dawn]

Not really a fan, they seem really glitchy to me but I will be honest I didn't try them out a lot

[green fiber]

question is wheather INSANE is true to the name or a fraud.....

[lavish burrow]

damn it. i've been distracted from my doing other things by semantics. my weakness

[mortal ginkgo]

Are you saying putting 34012387657679812364927 amount of fuel gens is not fun compared to putting like, 10 nuclear reactors?

What is this black sorcery? What is this madness?

[willow dawn]

True but I always feel like I am running out of space

[green fiber]

1000 coal gens is a respectable type of insanity
1000 fuel gens is pure lunacy

[hard ivy]

Imo trucks are more decoration than anything

[lavish burrow]

was it really nessecary to edit those hyperbolic numbers

[green fiber]

yes

[fluid sapphire]

hey i am actually planning on building 1000 generators

[lavish burrow]

very well

[green fiber]

dont wanna be too hyperbolic

[willow dawn]

I come from a country that does trains very well and I am in one at least once a week so they are near my heart 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

I saw a reddit about it, the guy was nuts. He must be preserved in a musem for using so much coal gens kek

[hard ivy]

Either way, blueprints save the day

[green fiber]

which gen tho.
fuel
or coal

[lavish burrow]

i come from texas

[reef wasp]

I too love trains.

[fluid sapphire]

well fuel, for rocket fuel

[lavish burrow]

so I kinda just... model my train networks off of highway interchanges

[green fiber]

Well, that name is deserved then, straight onto the list of Lunatics you go

[lavish burrow]

it actually works reasonably well because satisfactory trains don't loose much speed from sharp turns

did I write loose there? sheesh. i am so freaking out of it

[green fiber]

if you wanna know the type of things that makes trains lose speed, the wiki page for locomotives got you covered

[lavish burrow]

oh, I meant, like... compared to other games with trains

[green fiber]

corkscrews are by far the worst ones

curves AND inclines

[lavish burrow]

i can get away with making trumpet interchanges for trains

[reef wasp]

It sounds like the wiki is updated frequently for Satisfactory.

[lavish burrow]

it does cause some speed loss, yeah, but not as much as it would in other games i've played

[green fiber]

yes we do update it

[willow dawn]

Watching the trains go by and my items flowing in is sooooo damn satifying

I am almost forgetting how much I cursed setting up the curved blueprints 😛

[lavish burrow]

i think i actually have actually contributed to this wiki

i think it was before the split

okay i'm just rambling now. i'm going to try VERY HARD to go do something else. good luck with talking on the internet, folks.

[hard ivy]

And yet the recipe table is still wrong 🙃

[green fiber]

we import it straight from the game

if its wrong there then we are kinda in a deadlock.
because we dont manually adjust recipes

[hard ivy]

There's a lot of ORs where there should be ANDs

[green fiber]

oh the conditions for schematics

some are OR, some are AND
Whatever fancy code we got going on in cargo data.
ive seen that issue brought up

[hard ivy]

I already talked to greeny about it but I got the impression I basically only got a 🤷‍♂️ as a response

So I'm not sure if they're planning on fixing it

[green fiber]

On one hand, fixing it manually would be easy.
on the other hand, the way the recipe table is designed, manual input is not really allowed

[hard ivy]

Oh, no, I manually fixed it once. Got reverted after 1.1 released

Took 2 hours, not doing it again

[green fiber]

due to the docs being reimported

we import it on every update

[pearl ginkgo]

how do priority mergers work? i put one entrance medium priority and the other low and the other dont move at all.. itd be fine if once every 5th item the others move...

[green fiber]

it should move.
if nothing moves its not properly connected i think

[hard ivy]

I know, I know. I'm just saying I'm not manually doing it again. Especially not at midnight, again

[pearl ginkgo]

if i set them both to Low then it works like a regular merger

[green fiber]

I know. Thats the downside with our choice for handling all the recipe and schematic data via automated system.
we do NOT manually check things, we only import the docs.json. If it cant be properly determined from there, then we cant do much there because we do not manually edit that file

[hard ivy]

It's correct in the docs tho

[green fiber]

Does the docs actually show or / and

eh, whatever, i'll take a look at the file i guess

[hard ivy]

Yeah, there's "require all schematics to be purchased" bool
Or something along those lines

[warped roost]

Why is it that the percentages are so low for those who have made achievements? Do people just not play long enough to get to those things?

[undone yarrow]

Huge amount of player base played before achievements

[hard ivy]

The achievements were added in 1.0. people who haven't played since are counted as not having the achievement

[undone yarrow]

If you beat .8 you dont get a lot more in 1.0

[fluid sapphire]

i am perpetually in phase 4 so i am really just playing u8 with extra features

[warped roost]

Oh, got it. I was concerned that people were just not playing enough or sticking with the game.

[peak wasp]

Random question for computer techs out there, what's a good gpu to run this game on at least mid tier settings with that can also play last of us 2

[warped roost]

You can do it. The factory must grow!!

[peak wasp]

Trying to get a new laptop in the 500 to 800 range that can satisfactoraly play satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

question, about rounding. when i set to a machine to produce 36.25/min, but the clock speed is 80.5556 (which seems like a rounded number, so inaccurate), am i really producing 36.25 OR is the 36.25 some kind of rounded, not exact number

[hard ivy]

idk about TLOU2, but I estimate something around a 3070/5060 should be good for med settings?

[peak wasp]

Depends if you use an even balancer or a manifold type balancer. Getting an even balancer is hard and manifolds are easier so I usually cut the last two off.

[warped roost]

I am using an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super. It works great. (never played last of us 1 or 2)

[peak wasp]

Yeah, I can run it pretty well on 2070 super but it gets pretty rough late game

[hard ivy]

the clock speed is applied exactly as you see it. everything else is calculated from that

[fluid sapphire]

so the number is not accurate?

[hard ivy]

lategame is a CPU bottleneck

[peak wasp]

But my 2070 super can't play last of us 2 or other ps5 remastered games

[fluid sapphire]

even though it looks accurate?

[hard ivy]

it's exactly 80.5556%

[peak wasp]

CPU and not GPU? So 3050 should be okay then?

If I can get a good laptop with a 3070 or the amd equivalent that'd be super

[warped roost]

I am playing on a server with 3 others. we have the factory spread out so the performance is pretty good. Can get laggy in the larger facilities.

[hard ivy]

I mean I wouldn't recommend a gaming laptop unless you need the gaming power to be portable

[fluid sapphire]

but in practical terms, if i base my production on the per minute number, i might end up short or overloaded

wait, im gonna crunch it

[peak wasp]

As I've also noticed on mine with larger factories. My supers also 5 years old or so lol

[hard ivy]

it's 1 item off every few dozen to hundred hours iirc

[peak wasp]

And I think it has issues with tier 6 belts too

[fluid sapphire]

ah, OK, so nowhere near enough a problem to ever notice, because of internal buffers, yes?

[peak wasp]

Man if I could get a gaming laptop and have satisfactory at work that'd be incredible.

[warped roost]

We just got to tier 6 belts. I have not used them yet.

[peak wasp]

They're good, but I can't say if they're better than trucks or trains never used em

[warped roost]

I love trains. I have been in charge of train lines for our team. I have put in so much track, so many stations.

[green fiber]

it takes a couple of years of playtime for those extra ( or less) items to cause a hiccup

[peak wasp]

are trains better than belts

[green fiber]

no, just a sidegrade option

[peak wasp]

dang

[elder apex]

your throughput is always limited by your belts. trains/trucks/drones always have to output to a belt at some point to interact with machines

[warped roost]

Trains are better long distance for sure.

Without mods, you can't route them though. They take the route they decide, not always what I want.

[fluid sapphire]

OK, i am just trying to produce a perfectly flat power usage graph, and a fair few of my factories use these rounded numbers, so that must mean that the real error is......me. somewhere

[green fiber]

other things are more likely to cause a hiccup in the graph

[austere valve]

Unless you're fine with reducing throughput of an item you can put multiple items in a belt, trains don't have that problem

[fluid sapphire]

well, for now, i am excluding trains and particle accelerators, lets just say that every factory, if running on internal battery, should be perfectly flat, is my goal

[peak wasp]

Wait, scratch nvidia, what about AMD Ryzen 5 6600H could that run satisfactory well with an i7 equivalent cpu

[hard ivy]

yeah, it's basically a non-issue. like the difference between 80.(5) and 80.5556 0.0000(4). at 45/min default speed, the difference is 0.00002 items/min. 1 item every 50000 minutes. over a month

[stray thicket]

Did they never add rain back 🥺

[willow dawn]

When you put it like that

[hard ivy]

not yet

they are planning to add it back

eventually...

[stray thicket]

Why did it get removed again? I found it quite enjoyable

[hard ivy]

unreal engine upgrade made the old rain incompatible or something like that?

I might be totally wrong tho

[willow dawn]

Does anybody use hypertubes?

[fluid sapphire]

for cannons only

[hard ivy]

same

[willow dawn]

Cannons?

[hard ivy]

used to use boosted hypertubes but not really worth the effort compared to cannons

[green fiber]

engine change broke the old solution for rain they had and they couldnt get it to work again yet

[hard ivy]

stack entrances one after another and you build huge speed after like 10ish. then an angled tube up and you fly across the map

[willow dawn]

Hmmmmm that might be fun

[hard ivy]

save before testing 🙃

[willow dawn]

hahaha that sounds dangerous... what could happen except for major damage to myself?

[undone yarrow]

Just have a jetpack or parachute equiped

[hard ivy]

launched out of bounds and inverntory lost forever

[willow dawn]

I have a jetpack

ooooh

[hard ivy]

well, not forever, you can recover it with save editing
saving and reloading in case something happens is just faster

[undone yarrow]

and getting across the map at the fastest speed possible

yeah... there is a speed that does do that... I like Pioneer Accelerators more, they're slower but mostly safer (use the junction to just loop into the same entrance over and over)

[hard ivy]

once you have a design, they're reliable, so you don't need to save every time you use it.

[wicked nacelle]

This is a great thing to have a blueprint of. Just drop one down wherever you are

[river glen]

hi i need quick help please anyone why i cant inv my friend to my session?

[true mulch]

!wikisearch hypertube+cannon

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hypertube+cannon

[wicked nacelle]

Just make sure you swap to your jetpack BEFORE you're in the air and realize you left it empty from last time - or carry an emergency parachute just in case. Or be REALLY fast with your dimensional storage 🙂

jetpack only charges while you're on the ground AND have it equipped... so if you fly around and swap to pack before landing... next time you're in the air, it's still empty

[willow dawn]

Thankfully you can't die from fall damage if you have full health but I suppose if bounce off a mountain a couple of times you will still die 😛

[wicked nacelle]

I often panic and take that secondary fall damage from panic falling after taking 99% damage fall

[willow dawn]

And I always just have the jetpack on

[wicked nacelle]

most of may saves I really put a lot of effort into my nuclear. This one? I'm just stacking reactors

[willow dawn]

Anyways I think I am going to take a break, creating my first ever trainline is good enough for one day

See ya all

[wicked nacelle]

happy to see a video that they're fixing the "straight belts aren't always straight" bug

it's odd to have to switch to "curved" from "straight" to get a straight belt

enjoying watching snutt's reaction video to the early Josh satisfactory videos and talking about the development history of satisfactory 🙂 -- from yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rng_2wZWReA

[naive pendant]

Ah nice. Good to hear that bug fix is in the works.

[river glen]

Guys i can load any save or start a new game anyone know why?? Pls

Cant*

[wicked nacelle]

what happens when you try?

[river glen]

Nothing

I press play or load and nothing

[wicked nacelle]

like.. it just stays on the main menu?

do a steam verify files and then reinstall I'd say. never heard of this problem before though. Also maybe post on https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[river glen]

Okey ill try

And why i cant inv or join multiplayer with my friend

[wicked nacelle]

first let's get you being able to just start a single player game

[hard ivy]

it's probably the same issue anyway

[river glen]

I reinstaled game now waiting to install

[wicked nacelle]

all my train issues now are all hills... too steep up train gets stuck at a signal when there's a train in front of them, too steep down - smashes next train through a signal. and also path signals where the track isn't on a foundation and the game doesn't consider them "crossing" but the trains still collide. I wish it would be much more liberal about vertical differences in tracks being potentially conflicting

[prime jasper]

Hello, I am new to the game and I am really loving it. I came here because I will soon begin to craft steel products and my whole map is becoming too messy and I need tips to understand how can I make it better.

When you create a big steel factory, do you make it produce only one kind of product or you try to make one factory that produces all the goods derived from steel?

[river glen]

I played normal last 5 days , today i tryed multiplayer with my friend couldnt inv him or he to join me and then i couldnt even load my saves or create new game

[fluid sapphire]

i made one that does beams, pipes, encased all in one BUT, it did turn out somewhat messy

[hard ivy]

yeah, rails should have a 6x6 hitbox for crossing and like a 5x1 hitbox for player collision

instead it's 6x0.5 for both

[wicked nacelle]

I usually have it make pipes/beams/encased and then hook a 3-car train station up to it

[river glen]

Okey ill wait to instal it again and i hope someone will explain me how to make multiplayer if my game even work afther new instalation 🫣

[wicked nacelle]

once you can play single player if you still have problems we can try and help -- but let's do one step at a time

[prime jasper]

I don't have trains yet but I get the concept

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah, I'll pull 3 long belts -- one for each before trains.

[naive pendant]

@prime jasper Making pipes, beams, motors, encased beams all in the same spot as an initial steel factory is reasonable. Gets all the “mall” items.

[prime jasper]

"mall" items?

[naive pendant]

Then if you need steel stuff in a later item you just build new steel in that factory.

[wicked nacelle]

I do motors elsewhere usually. but maybe early game steal some steel from there 🙂

[hard ivy]

items for personal use

[wicked nacelle]

but kinda a dated concept in this game due to dimensional depot

[naive pendant]

Personal use meaning the items you need to build machines, etc. Like the items to build your factories rather than for space elevator.

[wicked nacelle]

100% I used to have huge malls

[naive pendant]

Is there a different term for the items needed for buildables vs the items not used for that?

[wicked nacelle]

I also wish there were an option to have your whole screen border turn red when trains have any errors. I often miss it on the compass as the compass gets quite busy.

[hard ivy]

I just call it "personal use"

[naive pendant]

Fair. Hmmm yea “mall items” isn’t a descriptive term although conveys the idea if you’ve built a Factorio mall.

“construction material items” kinda is descriptive.

In any case

[wicked nacelle]

any gotchas I need to worry about if I'm going to max out uranium power? Going to refine and sink plutonium to save SAM

[hard ivy]

for sinking plutonium make the absolute minimum to save resorces

which is 1 plut rod for every 4 uranium rods burned

[naive pendant]

That’s the “do resource efficient uranium” and “do resource inefficient plutonium” right?

[wicked nacelle]

is that a compbination of alt recipes?

[hard ivy]

all defaults for all steps between U-Waste and P-Rods gives you the minimum

[south lion]

any way to turn the tilted concave wall upside down?

[fluid sapphire]

build it from top down and rotate it?

[naive pendant]

@south lion #design-and-architecture tends to be the place for those build tricks.

[south lion]

okay

[naive pendant]

Just an ask there if don’t get an answer.

[south lion]

just did

[wicked nacelle]

yeah dang, that specific piece is picky about where/how it builds

so much about this game is oddly different between things that should be similar. menu systems are work slightly differently... drone ports vs train stations... what pieces respect what layouts

its' like no one is driving the design of how things interact and everyone just kinda makes their own decision based on how they feel at the time

[naive pendant]

True. I don’t do coding, UI, etc. but even I can see how much of a PitA figuring out UI for 3D factory building would be. I’m surprised it’s as good as it is.

[leaden ether]

Weird, if you make a blueprint that contains railroad tracks. You can't blueprint delete it till you individually delete the tracks first O.o

[wicked nacelle]

rail blueprints can be weird but that's not true all the time. I have plenty that work normal

yeah I just put one down and removed it no problem

[leaden ether]

Maybe ones with just track signals or something? (I just noticed it when trying to delete a dual track with a right hand turnoff.

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think I have any blueprints with signals right now so maybe that is part of it

[leaden ether]

Tested with a BP that had a track but just a single one with no signal and it delete fine. So yeah.. :)

(I like how you can react to your own post -.-)

[stray thicket]

#screenshots message

Is player shadows being bugged a known thing?

[wooden totem]

The local musician doggo band recently discovered awesome shop and became fascinated by the content, after they got trapped between tilted walls. They decided to write a new song about it:

Once I ran into you (I ran)
Now I'll run from you
This tilted wall you′ve given
I give you all a doggo could give you
Take my tears, and that′s not nearly all
Oh, tilted walls (oh, oh)
Tilted walls

[wicked nacelle]

my shadow looks okayish.

[lost wagon]

yes and no, you're using Taj's graphics mod no? That makes the shadow worse, but vanilla shadows still fucked up

[wicked nacelle]

my shadow https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1393668679677378703/image.png?ex=6874029a&is=6872b11a&hm=bfe105a45701e4d346f9e6feb2d9fc7df94aaa5a35e37fcb88849a3e88734e41&

[spark ruin]

its a lot more nuanced than that

[stray thicket]

oh yeah that's it. Already forgotten that I added that mod lol. Does it even do much?

[spark ruin]

it only happens if you enable VSM's (a shadowing technique) AFAIK

[lost wagon]

it does makes things prettier, but it also make shadows really dark

[spark ruin]

well, it changes quite a bit on lumen lighting and shadows

[lost wagon]

so working at the shade or at night is annoying

[spark ruin]

well, that will probably improved in the next update for that mod
(i just helped him out on the SF modding discord with a few things)

[spark ruin]

well, overall shadow quality for VSM's anyway and performance for VSM's

[spark ruin]

Taj was also looking into a way to stop that from happening but so far its just a theory

[zenith pecan]

@trim vine Sorry I've been slow in replying, I'm on a short summer break, with regards to #screenshots message , tunnelling right really is by your own discretion, for me the tunnel will carry the belt but is cramped for travel, it really depends on the purpose of your build.

[trim vine]

❤️

I bricked the Swamp biome, and have been using tunnels purely for belts to go under the aluminium floor to get to other machines, so its only for belts 😛

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

is there anything other than trains and particle accelerators that vary in power consumption?

[elder apex]

quantum encoders, converters

[hard ivy]

converter and encoder too

[fluid sapphire]

so like phase 5 stuff

[willow oar]

New player here, I was wondering if there was some building or UI that help us locate stuff ? like where did we put X building, where do I have Y item stocked, things like that ?

[trim vine]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[hard ivy]

idk about truck stops and drone ports either

[trim vine]

Upload your save fine into this map, and you can filter out what you want to see/dont see

But be careful, it can contain spoilers in terms of locations of other stuff

[fluid sapphire]

map and map markers, i think you need to do research in the MAM to unlock