satisfactory

[flint grail]

How tall is the train station?

[shy mulch]

I built a factory yesterday making 37.5 crystal oscillators /m then realised I need 45 😢

[viral tendon]

That hurts

Wait

Just sloop them

[shy mulch]

Need to save my sloops for more endgame stuff

[hidden sluice]

With the Steam sale coming to a close today I am thinking of picking up a new game. What are peoples thoughts on Timberborn and Captian of Industry?
I really like the factory automation games like DSP and Satisfactory, but I was never able to really get into Factorio so I am looking for something else in this genre.

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch train+station

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train+station

[hidden sluice]

Appreciate any input or thoughts

[daring cosmos]

1,000 SMART PLATES??

f,ldsfl,sfds

[green fiber]

Better get to it

[hard ivy]

better 1k smart plating than 1k nuclear pasta 🙃

[daring cosmos]

how long is this game

[hard ivy]

depends how much you rush

[shy mulch]

about this long |--------------------[]----|

[hard ivy]

several hundred hours if you take it slow

[daring cosmos]

damn

[shy mulch]

Depends massively on your play style, your commitment, your experience of this kind of game and frankly your intelligence

[hard ivy]

and the external tools you use

[shy mulch]

yes that too

[quick ruin]

Any% Speedrun time is ballpark 8 hrs, and the dedicated server we're running is pushing 300 hrs......it's all in how you play

[daring cosmos]

wowzers

[shy mulch]

I'd say for a first timer, who's never played satisfactory before, but is good at this kind of game, plans well, uses external tools and guides, and really focuses on finishing, a realistic time would be in the region of 100 hours

[fiery stratus]

i just found a dupe glitch

if you put a power shard in something, and then choose it by clicking middle mouse button on it, it will remember that there was a shard in it, but you dont need a power shard to place it

[shy mulch]

you sure it's not taking from depot?

I do that all the time and it hasn't duped as far as I can tell

[hard ivy]

Or that you don't have nocost enabled?

[unkempt ermine]

about how long it takes to fully finish the game?

[shy mulch]

depends what you consider "fully"

[open pollen]

Depends on how you play, How efficient you are, Whether you use online tools, How much you value aesthetics, Etc

[unkempt ermine]

completing last phase

[shy mulch]

scroll up about 6 messages 😛

[shy mulch]

@unkempt ermine

[unkempt ermine]

oh.. xd

[hard ivy]

howlongtobeat.com says 109h average

[hexed phoenix]

Ain't any % record sub 8 hours?

[hard ivy]

nmg is 8:11, glitched is 2:29

[velvet idol]

speedrunning and playing the game for the first time aren't exactly the same

[hexed phoenix]

Cant remember who streamed it.. But he was doing a practice run, when i watched - and he was german :)

I know I do build chaotic.. But his building style.. Was beyond chaotic

[shy mulch]

my estimate was pretty dang close 😄

[merry mountain]

You only get to play the game once for the first time.. and as somebody who has way more than a thousand hours, take it as slow as possible and enjoy every bit of it.. you only get to discover stuff once. I would not look at external guides TBH (first playthru), there very little satisfaction in that. I wish I could forget everything I've learned so I can play it again fresh.

[shy mulch]

I'd like to power shard this comment, it deserves to slap at 250%

[hexed phoenix]

Think my playtrough with No Alt Recipes allowed, and only "Green" Energy (Meaning no Coal or Oil power generators) - was about 120 hours - so 109 sounds plausible

[shy mulch]

First playthrough?

[hexed phoenix]

No like 1000th playthrough :D

[shy mulch]

Aha that makes more sense 😄

[hexed phoenix]

I would like to add - that I did spend 30 hours alone on collecing Leaves and Wood for the Biomass Burners - untill I unlocked Nuclear

[fathom shuttle]

So you’ll do biomass all the way to nuclear?

Oh wow

[pastel carbon]

I spent 170h on my first completion of satisfactory

[hexed phoenix]

Yeh

[open pollen]

That is dedication

[shy mulch]

My first playthrough I took it chill, spent most of my time exploring, chopping trees that didn't need chopped, killing things that didn't need killed etc., I eventually finished the space elvator at approx 300 hours
I've continued on that playthrough and it's somewhere around 700 hours now and I'm still loving it, just building bigger and better and more
I've got 2 more playthroughs that I'm working on too, which are fun in different ways, setting myself different goals in each

[fathom shuttle]

How many generators did you have

[pastel carbon]

Although I did spend a lot more time than I needed to automate everything and doing other fun stuff before finishing the game

[shy mulch]

Could have used geothermal and alien power augmenters

[hexed phoenix]

True which was also in use - forgot :) I did have one APA and all the Geothermals..

But was still running around 400 Biomass Burners

And ngl - Geothermals is still some 11MW which is pretty huge

[shy mulch]

400 is a lot of biomass burners

[hexed phoenix]

Well - having all components automated, takes some power consumption..

And 400 is only 12MW - and with the Geothermal, I had around 25-26MW ish with 1 APA

I can't remember all the figures, it was "completed" just before 1.1 hit Experimental branch

[frail sleet]

did you have a system where you can easily turn automation for specific parts on/off? 😄

For timers ingame (e.g. i want 500 rods and no more or less) i think the most reasonable way to do it is to have each part have its own set of burners, and input enough fuel to run X machines for Y time. That lets you walk away and it won't burn too much of your fuel or stop prematurely.

The downside to that is that biomass burners cost 15 plates / 15 rods / 25 wire, so it's not super easy to have large duplicate and unused sets of them most of the time. That would cost hundreds, thousands of those basic parts to do so.

[hexed phoenix]

No - but had usually just 1 default recipe for each recipe.. So like 1 Assembler doing default Metal Frame and so on

All factories was their own entity - so didn't "share" resources between them

[shy mulch]

Automate the basic parts and feed them into storages so you have loads available, you won't need to think about the cost of building stuff

Good to practice that process now, it'll become more important later in the game

[frail sleet]

The context is a biomass-only challenge run

so if you automate everything in strong quantities it will burn out your fuel

[shy mulch]

Don't need big quantities

[hard ivy]

the fuel cost per item is the same, regardless of how fast you make it

[south sinew]

hundreds/thousands of those parts is no big deal

[frail sleet]

Yeah, just dont want thousands of unused items

[frail sleet]

maybe on those parts, but not on hmf's etc

[hexed phoenix]

You'd be surprised how long you get with just having 1-5/min of the Tier 4-5 items into the Cloud storage :)

[shy mulch]

Then turn off the machines making them when you feel that you have enough

Or feed them into a storage, when the storage is full the machine will turn off by itself

[frail sleet]

Yeah, my comment is discussing a way to turn them off

[hexed phoenix]

Any overflow was sinked to keep production running :)

[shy mulch]

You just said you wanted production to not keep running?

Think I replied to the wrong person, sorry

But the point stands, sort of 😛

[fathom shuttle]

You only need 0.5/min nuclear pasta to finish the game

[south sinew]

depends on how long you want to wait of course

I made 5 pasta/min, was heavy overkill yeah

[open pollen]

This is literally me right now in phase 4 as I chill and make things prettier 😆

[hard ivy]

you don't need to automate it at all

just handfeed it

[frail sleet]

Yeah i was considering on-demand production of items (e.g. i want to order 100 hmf specifically, or 50 or 500 some other time)

Having their own powergrid and fuel input allows for that with some easy calculations

[hexed phoenix]

Said that every recipe was produced as their own "factory" - meaning once I had example Heavy Modular Frames setup, I left it as is..

And at next item in line, like Fused Modular Frame was needed - I'd build a new Heavy Modular Frame to support the required Items/Min for 1 default recipe of Fused Modular Frame

[shy mulch]

Then use power switches?

[fathom shuttle]

Hand feeding works fine but you need 1.5k so it’s better to just automate it

[south sinew]

1.2k no?

[frail sleet]

You can't automate power switches e.g. turn off in 20 minutes.

20 minutes of fuel can be precalculated, dropped in, and it will turn off at T+20m

[south sinew]

100 for p4, 1000 for p5 and 100 for BWD

[hard ivy]

1125 because sloops

[shy mulch]

Feels like you're trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem lol

[south sinew]

I meanwhile accidentally produced, uh, 1500 extra nuclear pasta

[frail sleet]

It's a challenge run.

[south sinew]

oh well

[shy mulch]

Yes, but the challenge was to use biofuel only. Not to produce a very specific amount of something

[frail sleet]

Yeah, that is one way of going about achieving the goals of the challenge run

[south sinew]

yeah, but biofuel is hand-gathered, so indiscriminately making lots of everything is going to mean a lot of additional manual biofuel gathering

so producing specific amounts seems like a rational optimisation

[frail sleet]

i would use it as an opportunity to play differently, especially if different constraints can be significant like power cost of unneeded parts.

[shy mulch]

It's surprisingly easy to make a lot of solid biofuel if you feed alien dna into slooped constructors

[south sinew]

you won't have sloops for a while

[keen hawk]

finally automated my pasta chat

it was surprisingly easy

[rocky sierra]

the wiki is saying the explorer can climb vertical surfaces but i couldn't get it to

[keen hawk]

i fit the entire process into 1 building 🙂

[hard ivy]

if you're doing a challenge, you probably should use everything the game has to offer. and that means gathering resources from crash sites to unlock it as early as possible

[keen hawk]

but looking at my power consumption now is making me cry

5 particle accelerators is no joke

[hexed phoenix]

My challenge was:

• Green energy (No Coal or Oil Power)
• Don't pickup Harddrives for Alternative Recipes
• Have every recipe, automated - And usually had to automate them before unlocking next Tier.

Once I unlocked Jetpack, I was using Liquid Biofuel - and collected all Somersloops and Mercer Spheres, so they were out of the way.

I had some Somersloops in the beginning to maximize my Leaves/Wood -> Biomass -> Solid Biofuel output

[white dawn]

Now overclock and sloop 'em!

[keen hawk]

...

[hexed phoenix]

Can actually see i quit the last save, at 206 Hours spend in the map.. Screenshot is shared here -> #screenshots message

[keen hawk]

also good god the accelerators are loud

[fathom shuttle]

Are these roads for trucks?

[leaden ether]

Did you get to the point of building ballistic warp drives in it's own complete factory?

[south sinew]

damnit, forgot to use two depots for uploading time crystal

[hexed phoenix]

Yeah its in the upper right corner iirc

[ripe basin]

So you can use nuclear? Thats not green

[hexed phoenix]

Question of defination of whats Green :D

In my opinion its considered a green source of power - and as we can fully recycle the Nuclear waste in Satisfactory - its in my book green enough :P

[ripe basin]

So you were stuck with biomass until plutonium

[keen hawk]

oh god

[hexed phoenix]

Biomass and Geothermals yes

[keen hawk]

i saw my life flash before my eyes when i slooped the particle accelerator

[ripe basin]

Both are shit IMO

[hexed phoenix]

Cutting tree's and grass, is surpricinly very stress reliefing :D

[ripe basin]

Bombing them is even better

[hexed phoenix]

Bombing is maybe a little stressful :D

[keen hawk]

how much of your time do you have to spend playing stardew valley

[south sinew]

and victory is mine

[magic ruin]

hi guys

[vestal mica]

why do you consider burning biomass any greener than burning coal?

[leaden turret]

corpse guts aren't radioactive

[vestal mica]

coal isn't particularly radioactive either

[leaden turret]

yeeeees it is

(not in the game tho)

[vestal mica]

define particularly then

it has trace amounts of radioactive materials in real life. it will take quite a while sitting next to some coal to get radiation poisoning i think

[leaden turret]

google it

[open pollen]

Did you include liquid biofuel as allowed to be used? Or only solid biofuel?

[vestal mica]

Coal contains trace amounts of naturally-occurring radioactive elements. The process of burning coal at coal-fired power plants, called combustion, produces wastes that contain small amounts of naturally-occurring radioactive material (NORM).

Generally, these wastes are only slightly more radioactive than the average soil in the United States. The amount of natural radiation in wastes from coal-fired power plants is so small that no precautions need to be taken.

i did

[keen hawk]

2 hours to go and im done with phase 4

[twilit elk]

Where I can look for efficient factory layouts? Im doing the steel factory now and I find hard to do the math with all the possible different recipies

[leaden turret]

coal-fired power plants release more radioactive material into the environment than nuclear power plants

[open pollen]

A lot of people use https://www.satisfactorytools.com or satisfactory modeler on steam to help plan out production lines

[twilit elk]

With satisfactory tools I can only change the recipe of the last resource I'm making, seems hard to do the math there

Am i wrong?

[steady glade]

modeler better

[twilit elk]

Ok I'll try that, thanks !!

[vestal mica]

so, it's more likely to get hit be lightning than to be eaten by a shark, but I'm not worried about either

[steady glade]

but u can enable multiple alternate recipes

[leaden turret]

wisdom is not going for a swim in a storm over shark infested waters tho

[reef basin]

no, you can change any recipe you want

[stuck dagger]

Modeler only better if you really need the granularity imo

[reef basin]

modeller is more of a logistical planner, rather than calculator

[vestal mica]

and coal and nuclear are neither of those

so win win

[shut lava]

Its more fun in the rain though

Like have you gone to the beach when it's raining

[leaden turret]

swimming in the rain: enjoyable
swimming in a shark's stomach: less so

[hexed phoenix]

I did try Liquid Biofuel - but it has a major downside.

Solid Biofuel is only consumed based on actual consumption..

Meanwhile Liquid Biofuel will consume regardless..

And the gain after installing all the machines to convert from Solid to Liquid gains some 5% more power or something like that.. It was marginal.

[leaden turret]

no, I'm not Snutt

[modern apex]

well, the non-radioactive part of coal pollution is far worse

[twilit elk]

oh i see now

[shut lava]

Well I beg to differ you should swim in shark infested waters

They don't bite it's a hoax

[vestal mica]

yeah, i'm not arguing FOR coal burning. i'm just saying radioactivity is not the reason you should be against it

[gloomy heart]

I bett the devs are sitting drinking beer and laughing to themselves when they think about how much screws that are needed in this game😭

[leaden turret]

I'm clarifying why burning corpse guts in satisfactory is greener than burning coal

[modern apex]

yea it just shows how safe nuclear actually is

you receive less radiation inside a nuclear powerplant than outside

the cosmic background radiation is literally stronger

[steady glade]

dont worrym you'll be free from screws after a while

[gloomy heart]

When?

[hard ivy]

steel

[leaden turret]

when you fall asleep

[gloomy heart]

i already have steel

[steady glade]

you'll want to go exploring for hard drives during phase 3

[modern apex]

people when coal waste is in the air they breathe: 😎
people when nuclear waste is buried kilometers deep in geologically inactive rock: 😨

[hard ivy]

then you have to get the right alts

[gloomy heart]

on foot or?

[hard ivy]

blade runners and parachute and go
or jetpack if you're in tier 5

[hexed phoenix]

tbh - I think you’re over analyzing my own challenge, that is not any part of any regular game play..

It was mainly done to challenge my determination, and to do something difference in Satisfactory, having played the game pretty much since it was released on Epic Games

[steady glade]

you know what? you should go around laying tracks everywhere

[steady glade]

you should build a small biofuel factory so you can easily reach higher places

[vestal mica]

i'm totally overanalyzing it. not quite as much as marv, but yeah. It was more just because my initial reaction to that was yeah, "biomass" is green. maybe becuase most plants are green. but really, you're just burning carbon same as coal

[modern apex]

biomass is only carbon neutral because the plants that produce it absorb carbon to grow

[leaden turret]

pretty sure the corpse guts aren't green

[modern apex]

coal is just really old biomass

[hexed phoenix]

Well that was my conclusion as well tbh when I switched to more "self-supplied" energy aka. Nuclear..

I had already cleaned over 70% of the map from the initial foilage to supply my biomass burners

[drifting fern]

i need to start making super computers, I have the OC super computer alternate recipe, should i use it or should i just go for the normal one?

[modern apex]

wait you cleared 70% of the map? 💀

[hard ivy]

oc is like the worst of the 3 recipes

[vestal mica]

you should have listened to marv and used animals

[modern apex]

that's dedication right ther

[vestal mica]

an actual renewable source

[drifting fern]

but its only 2 things and that makes my mind happy

[hard ivy]

2 very expensive things

[drifting fern]

eh

okay yeah ur right

[hard ivy]

use satisfactory tools and compare

[drifting fern]

is that a good way to calculate factories?

[hexed phoenix]

Lets just say - I actually loved spending time with the chainsaw - watching some series on Netflix while just filling inventory after inventory to supply the biomass burners..

It was really nice to just couple your brain off, doing something completely repetitive and senseless

[hard ivy]

it's quick and easy

and it helps you choose recipes because it optimizes resources

[drifting fern]

how many supercomputers should i go for

[modern apex]

yes

[drifting fern]

i have miner mk3

[modern apex]

amazon rainforest simulator

[drifting fern]

only mk5 belts

[drifting fern]

real

[modern apex]

just dont use pure ones

[drifting fern]

ye

[vestal mica]

with sloops, one nuclear pig = 14 stacks of solid biofuel if I did that right

[modern apex]

leave them for when you got mk6

[drifting fern]

but whats like a good start for supercomputers?

and should i use the original recipe?

[modern apex]

one alternative route is crystals

[drifting fern]

eh i dont wanna make batteries

[modern apex]

there are a few recipes that pair nicely to make computers with crystals

[drifting fern]

ye

i think i got them

[vestal mica]

all the corpse guts and plants get turned into the same thing. it's kinda green

[drifting fern]

i have collected alot of harddrives and mercer spheres

[leaden ether]

I felt the same way, but when making my last electronics factory, the battery route made the most sense ore and machine wise for me :/

[drifting fern]

not that many summersloops though, do i need them for anything else than the free power thing and the wacky oc thing

[lucid pagoda]

can anyone help me with this? #screenshots message it says its looping into itself

[steady glade]

you probably want a few for powershards if you didnt unlock synthetic ones

[hard ivy]

glitched switch probably

[drifting fern]

my internet history is all calculator, i played satisfactory for 70 hours in one week

wake up, satisfactory fall asleep satisfactory

[steady glade]

its a 2 sided train right?

[drifting fern]

oh yeah forgot to say i got those aswell

[lucid pagoda]

a single train goes both ways up but merges the same direction with the other

[hard ivy]

but your signalling is terrible regardless. signalling bi-di? awful idea

[lucid pagoda]

its cus a single station is up there, only one train will use it

[steady glade]

if it is double sided then it should only have one train and doesnt really need path signal

[lucid pagoda]

no matter what i place near it, they all say they loop into themselves

[hard ivy]

post a pic with the colors

[steady glade]

you probably sould merge back a bit farther, and allow a block signal on the lower track in the middle of the junction

[drifting fern]

why does it want me to use SAM

[reef basin]

tbh there's no "worst" or "best", pick what you like, there's no reason to follow other people's preferences 😉

[hard ivy]

because it's "cheapest" in that case. just disable it

[drifting fern]

ah

[lucid pagoda]

posted :)

[reef basin]

however many you need

[drifting fern]

yeah but i like to check peoples opinions first cause maybe they know better so i might avoid stuff being more complicated than it has to

[drifting fern]

idk how many i need

imma just go for 15 at first

[reef basin]

then don't make them until you know

[hard ivy]

all 3 switches on the top RL rail seem glitched

[drifting fern]

but i just want them piled in my cloud

[lucid pagoda]

i fixed it by just replacing every signal and piece of track in the area

[hard ivy]

the color stay the same after

[reef basin]

then decide how much you want for that

[lucid pagoda]

ig it was just glitched

[leaden ether]

Anyone ever see this before? I had a minor malfunction in part of my factory that stopped production in part of it. And when I went to check it out, this belt had just stopped moving items. Direction of belt shown. Not even on a belt junction either. #screenshots message

[drifting fern]

wait, is the global oil limit 12600

[reef basin]

probably?

don't know from top of my head

[drifting fern]

the recipe wants 30% of all the oil 💀

[reef basin]

I guess depends on which recipes you're using

there's tons of ways to save oil

[hard ivy]

and the amount you're making

oil alts are up to 4.5x more oil efficient so you def want to use them if you're making a lot

[vagrant socket]

how do you get the blueprint auto connect mode

[hard ivy]

R

[vagrant socket]

all im getting is default mode

[steady glade]

press r

[vagrant socket]

omg you legend

all it says is press E im fuming

[hard ivy]

Or hold for a selection wheel

E changes between blueprints from a subcategory

[vagrant socket]

yea thats why i was so confused
thx

okay except now its not letting me confirm the blueprint when its auto connected

[hard ivy]

AC takes multiple clicks

[vagrant socket]

im clicking a lot trust me

[hard ivy]

if it's red, then it tells you why it's red

[steady glade]

1click to confirm auto connect points, 1 to place

[vagrant socket]

its blue

[jolly ice]

I have had this game for a week. Already near 100 hours.
I think I have a problem-

[vagrant socket]

yea except its still not working

[hard ivy]

you can use multiple clicks to confirm multiple connections that aren't in range at once

it only places once there are no more connections to add

[vagrant socket]

ohh its cos the server we were on timed out
i just got kicked

[jolly ice]

I have a logical diagram on how I want to run power distribution across the map as I progress and am forced to build more factories, would that go in #math-and-meta or #design-and-architecture

Because I swear to god I've been overthinking the HECK out of this to provide the maximum amount of fault tolerance.

[hollow hazel]

Replace belt. I think a glitch might have disconnected it somehow.

[vagrant socket]

nvm was not the issue i dont know why i cant place the blueprint

[leaden ether]

Yeah I replaced it. Not sure when it happened, I suppose it could have been when I was building it as well. THe other belt being empy was the only way I notices something was wrong with part of the factory and luckily I happened to spot it.

[icy scroll]

does anyone know if there is a suggestion chat in here??

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[icy scroll]

thanks

[vagrant socket]

wait does it not work unless its belt auto connecting to belt and not like a splitter or merger or smt

[rare torrent]

can i turn pillar supports less then 90 degrees at a time on a foundation??

[willow glen]

Belts will extend towards splitters as you place the blueprint. Existing belts won’t be changed. You can also get it to shorten but that seems finicky and inconsistent to me. Pipes work the same

essentially your blueprints should have a belt/pipe sticking out now

Most notable is the “existing belts won’t be changed”, since when rapidly pasting none of them exist yet, but order matters

[steady glade]

put another foundation on the 1st one, rotate that

[rare torrent]

thanks

[steady glade]

unless the pillar is horizontal

[oak hinge]

#screenshots message You guys think this is enough belts for now? xD

[steady glade]

probably still not enough

[dry hamlet]

Hello, anyone knows what the next updates gonna be or what is in it

[steady glade]

for now, focus is on console versions

[fathom shuttle]

In 37 days 6 hours 23 minutes

[hoary swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693281535058509896/1310316549642518588/Hmm48.gif?width=768&height=144

[burnt ferry]

what does 'signal loops into itself' mean?

[willow glen]

I like how you’ve belted limestone and concrete down the same highway lol

[oak hinge]

They're going in different directions, that's why xd

[reef basin]

block before signal is same as block after signal

[fathom shuttle]

Gonna make a blueprint for 750/min to simplify all the quickwire production

[oak hinge]

I have 2 belts of limestone going in to that factory, and it has 4 more belts near it, so i'm making it to concrete there and then belting the concrete back out xd

[hard ivy]

it means the game thinks it's possible to drive from one side of a signal to the other side of that same signal without passing the signal itself (this does not mean it's actually possible)

[fathom shuttle]

With my spaghetti skills running 12 belts of quickwire is a really bad idea

[oak hinge]

I'm also belting 6 belts of steel ingots in and 2 belts of steel pipes and 1 belt of steel beams out

[willow glen]

Either you need more signals to seperate out the blocks, or a signal is too close to an intersection. For the second option often deconstructing and replacing the signals works, if not moving them back a little will for sure (at the cost of aesthetics)

[oak hinge]

The reason for that being i didn't want my steel factory to be obscenely tall, and crafting those would have required 2 more floors

So i just craft them at the same place i craft concrete, and added the 2 floors there

[vagrant socket]

yea it extends towards the splitter but the actual blueprint didnt get placed
i had to have a conveyor coming out the splitter for the blueprint to connect to
only then would it place

[burnt ferry]

hm ... i guess it is.. i have like 3 stations and a t-junction in between.. and im trying to setup the signals right for that and that loop thing confused me... but basically if i have a situation like this and only one signal i necessarily get this message, and prolly only when i have fully setup the signals right, itll be gone

[willow glen]

The screenshot you posted looked like the correct behavior to me. Yeah, having the belt stick out isn’t aesthetic, but that’s how auto-connect works

[burnt ferry]

na aesthetics dont matter for now, have tu understand why it works or not first 😂

[willow glen]

it’s most useful for really long groups of machines (8+)

[hard ivy]

this error also shows up if rails are too close, and if a switch is glitched. that second one seems to be a lot more common after the recent 1.1 update

[burnt ferry]

ye.. i had some strange switches at that t-junction.... maybe i should make blueprints for all switch types

[willow glen]

A screenshot would help, just to differentiate between unfinished signal placement or if you’ve encountered the switch bug

[burnt ferry]

ye im trying to find out which part to screenshot.. i think i have to make a working t junction first and then try to build that into my existing functioning railway

[willow glen]

can use the decoupled camera (P then R) for screenshot

neat new feature

[hard ivy]

whenever the rail color before and after a signal is the same, something is wrong

[dry hamlet]

anyone wanna do a Server togother like 4 people? progress/ nice building

playing alone is boring

[hard ivy]

#1201555265942724758

[dry hamlet]

thx

[burnt ferry]

ah.. yes i had this.. and also.. i just deconstructed one railtrack of a switch, but the switch handle is still on the track.. so far whenever i deleted a track going into another one, the switch handle was deconstructed along with it

yes... now i deconstructed the part of the track that is before the switch handle and that handle disappeared

but i still have the loop 😂

ah wait.. this must have to do with the rest of the track. i just disconnected this station to be its own rail network and now it works

[sick umbra]

This game scares me

[potent shale]

can some one help me figure out why my fuel gens aren't getting enough gas? i have a output of 400 m³. And the consumption is 400 m³ ( 20 fuel gens all needing 20 m³ a min ). but the last two at the end of the line don't get enough to stay on despite of the first 3 having plenty.

[steady glade]

disconnect some of them for a while, let them fill up, then disconnect the rest

because they only barely get enough to all run, some of them will get more than needed and starve others

[hard ivy]

if that's supposed to help, so will waiting

[steady glade]

my assumption is that the gens at the end oly barely get enough for 1 or 2 cycles at a time before going idle

thats why i suggested filling them up a bit to stabilize them

[potent shale]

i have done this but they will starve soon after

its on level ground so there should be no head lift

[potent shale]

also can you elaborate?

[hard ivy]

the final state matters, not how you get there. disconnecting some machines might only speed it up, but if you connect them again, the final state is the same

[flint grail]

What route do the trains take when going between stations?

[reef basin]

shortest one

[hard ivy]

shortest distance, not shortest time, I should add

[keen hawk]

my phase 4 is finally done

[modest mirage]

Why is my Tier 2 tab still lit up as if I haven't completed it? (Which I have). Tier 0 and 1 are done and greyed out but Tier 2 is still lit up. Is this a bug?

[burnt ferry]

have you send the material?

[hasty lion]

anyone else having issues joining a save?

[wicked nacelle]

Shortest distance BUT they try to avoid going through stations they aren't stopping at by pretending it's 100m longer for every station they would go through

[rare torrent]

opening the train loading station it shows throughput is that the current throughput or the teoretical maximum of the train?

[wicked nacelle]

There is no relationship between and a train and a station like there is a drone.

[flint grail]

So, doing a bi-directional main line isn't a good idea?

[rare torrent]

i didnt get it

[wicked nacelle]

You want your stations to not be on that main line. But a highway system is awesome

[flint grail]

@hard ivy @reef basin

I have signals facing both directions

[hard ivy]

it's a decent idea if only one train is ever gonna use it. and it's a terrible idea if you put more than one train on it

[wicked nacelle]

Any number of trains can serve a station and they may or may not go to other stations as well. There is no theoretical max because the question doesn’t make sense. It’s semi-actual

[wicked nacelle]

Maybe I didn’t understand what he meant

[rare torrent]

ohhh

[reef basin]

why do you ping random people?

[wicked nacelle]

Theoretical max for a station is that you get a delivery exactly when you unload the station every time. That depends on the size of the stack. Bigger stacks are more efficient in terms of items per minute and less in terms of stacks per minute

[hard ivy]

idk I just replied to the message I was pinged on

[hard ivy]

you can guarantee it by using "depart when empty/full". you just need enough trains to saturate the station

[ripe basin]

Good evening guys

[wicked nacelle]

you almost can -- the last stack on a train isn't guaranteed to be a full stack

[ripe basin]

Sorry caps

[hard ivy]

it is if the loading station has 32 full stacks

wait until it fills before starting trains

[wicked nacelle]

Only if the loading station has them in the right spot, too, I think. It can pull a partial stack even if there's a full stack. If it's COMPLETELY full then you're right

[hard ivy]

and even if that happens, you get at least 96.90625% of theoretical throughput

more than you could ever get without "depart when empty/full"

[pallid pond]

im tryna make plastic but the refineries keep making that purple oil. game says you can use the purple oil in another refinery to make coke. but i cant do that for some reason. i put the pipe in and it doesnt let me make coke

[steady glade]

you're lacking some alternate recipes

[hard ivy]

coke is a default recipe tho

[pallid pond]

i selected it in the recipe thing

[ripe basin]

"That purple oil" is heavy oil residue, a byproduct. You have to deal with it in any way, otherwise your refineries will stop making plastic.

[pallid pond]

yeah i just forgot the name of it

[ripe basin]

Power?

[pallid pond]

yep

i have it turned on in advanced

[ripe basin]

Then its strange

Maybe not enough HOR?

Did you do the math?

[pallid pond]

HOR?

[ripe basin]

Heavy oil residue, yes

[pallid pond]

ill load the game up and share a vid

[ripe basin]

Sadly i cant watch videos

So youll need someone else to help you

[pallid pond]

but cant it just keep inputting itself?

[ripe basin]

Do you have your coke refineries lifted higher than 10 meters?

[pallid pond]

all on the same level

maybe i need better pipes

[ripe basin]

Does it make coke at all, or is it just standing here (i realise)?

[pallid pond]

doenst make coke at all

[ripe basin]

Try to reconnect your pipes

[pallid pond]

k

[haughty flax]

is there a way to delete water? i know i can craft to concrete or packaged water and sink it, but anything while its liquid form?

[pallid pond]

i think i just found a bug

[indigo tendon]

I have used a few coal powerplants at times, to either burn coal or coke

[pallid pond]

if you dismantle the pipe section with HOR in it, the HOR in that pipe gets dismantled as well, to literally no where

[indigo tendon]

or you can create a bunch of buffers and purge the entire network

[pallid pond]

its not even accepting HOR

[hard ivy]

does it have something else in it?

[pallid pond]

i... dont think so. im extracting it from pure oil and normal oil

[hard ivy]

so is the pipe moving oil or HOR?

it can only do one of them

[pallid pond]

i first extract it from oil, then the oil goes to a refinery that makes plastic and HOR. then i take the pipe output of that refinery, and send it to another refinery to turn HOR into coke. however, it doesnt wanna do that

[hard ivy]

is the HOR pipe separate from the oil pipe?

[undone lichen]

How many items/min can mk 5 belts handle?

[ripe basin]

780 i think

[pallid pond]

yes

[hard ivy]

it's in the description...

[pallid pond]

i wsih i could send video

[undone lichen]

Im still tier 5 tho

[hard ivy]

you can send a screenshot

[undone lichen]

*6

[hard ivy]

it's on the wiki too

[undone lichen]

Eh incase they updated the speed while the wiki didn't

And might aswell socialize a bit

[pallid pond]

cant in this channel

[hard ivy]

#1038092680493801533 , #math-and-meta or #screenshots

[reef basin]

well no, you should send it in appropriate channel

[pallid pond]

oh

too late

[reef basin]

#screenshots for showing off
#1038092680493801533 for questions
etc

[wicked nacelle]

I wish buildings were red blinky or something if they wanted to build but ceouldn't due to lack of input and yellow if they were just full of output... or am I missing something that differentiates the two reasons why they aren't building?

[hard ivy]

no, they're just yellow if idle, regardless of the reason

[smoky forge]

would be cool tho

[hard ivy]

it would make finding issues very easy

[wicked nacelle]

the way I build it's common for me to overproduce... so it'd be nice to be able to tell at a glance if anything is actually unhappy

[small bear]

I hope they jump to UE 5.6 with Update 1.2. Would be a major win for Performance.

[wicked nacelle]

does awesome sink fill up with coupons eventually?

[wicked nacelle]

UE updates are a huge deal for development - basically you have to reimplement arbitrary parts of your game and depending on what you use and waht the changes are it can be a large portion of the game. I doubt they do anything like this unless it's required for some new console support or something

also, it's hard to know what performance improvements a particular game would have from the change in UE versions. It really depends on what aspects they are using and where bottlenecks in the code are

[harsh root]

5.6 has CPU performance boost

30% uplift when the CPU is the bottleneck

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think that's a thing that can just be generically measured. For example, UE itself can't speed up your game's custom logic. There may be aspects of the provided infrastructure that sees that speedup but that doesn't mean an overall speed up to the game.

[small bear]

They want to reimplement weather. If they want to implement weather again, they have to Upgrade the UE version to 5.4 or further, according to the Community Manager atleast.

[leaden ether]

Heh hopefully not 5.4 as 5.6 is the major fix for 5.4 issues :D But yeah they did say they want to get weather working and at wil require and update and if anyone there knows anything about 5.4 it would not be a consideration.

[small bear]

That's why im expecting and hoping for 5.6 in Update 1.2. It's current, it's stable, it's fast. (usually, in comparison to previous versions.)

[wicked nacelle]

The engine may be stable but new game bugs are created when doing ports. You don't play the engine. anyhow, if they do then that's cool, but you're sacrificing a TON of time that could go to other things by doing it

[leaden ether]

I am cautiously excited about the CPU efficiency boost as for nearly all games at this point it's the CPU that is a major bottleneck for me. Almost ready to upgrade my MB/CPU but still waiting for things to settle out a little mopre with both AMD and Intel before making a decision.

[wicked nacelle]

There's no waiting for thing to settle unless you think intel will come out with 3d cache. If you want a gaming CPU then amd is the only option that makes any sense

[leaden ether]

They basically said they are. And AMD was a weird quandary between two top end processors for a long time that were each goot at a different thing, both of which I need. BUT they JUST came out with a processor that combines the best of both. So that is a strong early contender.

(THough it's like $1000 or something :P)

[wicked nacelle]

Most people have no need for more cores than a 9800x3d has. The number of people that need high core count and gaming performance on the same computer is VERY small.

[small bear]

Do you mean the 9950x3d only having the stacked cache on one CCD? There is good reasons for that.

[leaden ether]

-> me <-

[small bear]

There is no use in multi CCD Stacked lvl 3 cache

The cross ccd latency is so bad that it's irrelevant

That's why AMD is not making them

But look forward, Zen 6 is gonna have a 12 core X3D chip.

[leaden ether]

Don't really care about the internals, just that I don't have to choose multithread performance OR single thread performance.

[small bear]

And at 2nm, that's gonna blow everything apart

[wicked nacelle]

and they seem to have gotten control over the "game runs on the wrong chiplet" problem

[small bear]

what cpus do you mean?

[wicked nacelle]

how many threads do you think you need?

[small bear]

Because the 9950x3d is the fastest in gaming and productivity.

Basically atleast

Like if you like to game with your workstation, get a 9950x3d. It's 95% of the way there, in all ways.

[leaden ether]

It was basically the 7000 vs 8000 series, but the latest 9000 series seems prety great at both.

[small bear]

what

there is no 8000 series

[wicked nacelle]

mobile maybe?

[small bear]

I mean - yeah - but why are we comparing apples to oranges lol

[wicked nacelle]

anyhow, 9800x3d is the sweet spot for max gaming performance (at realistic graphics settings) and if you need LOTS of cores, then you probably want so many that you can't have them on your main PC anyhow and you'd just offload them to a farm of some sorts.

[leaden ether]

No not the mobile, it's been like 6 months since I looked at it hard but at the time there was a split in procesor lines for multithread vs single thread, one reason they are hyping the dual role in the latest 9000 series right now.

[small bear]

This is simply not the case.

[leaden ether]

It certainly was.

[wicked nacelle]

what cpu do you think that was the case for

[leaden ether]

Maybe it eas the v3d vs non v3d lines. I gave up on them for the last several months waiting for newer stuff.

[hard ivy]

yeah, there is a desktop ryzen 8000 series

but it seems focused on midrange

[small bear]

Dude. Take your Schizophrenia medication, there never was a desktop 8000 series. There never was two split processor lines for single and multithread. Are you talking of intel?

[small bear]

You mean mini PCs?

[willow glen]

Why did connecting lights shut down my power grid I have 100GW spare lol

[wicked nacelle]

well, this conversation is going nowhere. I'm going to go play some satisfactory

[hard ivy]

I mean maybe it's oem-only. idk. but it exists

[wicked nacelle]

probably you accidentally made a new power grid

[leaden ether]

Like I said I don't remember all the numbers, there's new ones every month. But there WAS s schism between best single threaded and best multithreaded perfomance and that's a fact.

Again one reason they are specifically advertising the "best of both worlds" on the latest processors.

[willow glen]

Well it wasn’t an accident, I tested stuff with a biomass burner, overloaded that, then deconstructed it and connected it to my main grid. So that 30MW “fuse blown” that I couldn’t reset somehow overrides 100GW of spare power?

[hard ivy]

connecting a blown grid to a working one always results in a blown grid

[willow glen]

That’s lame but good to know. All these “order you build and deconstruct in” pipelines are overloading my brain tho, wish it’d just work more often

[wicked nacelle]

the x950 was always that. Nothing new about that. But again you probably don't need that - it's just you thinking that "the best" is what you need

[shy mulch]

Just connect everything to the main grid immediately, keeps it simple

[small bear]

Okay look imma lay it all out for you.

TLDR:
The only difference was clockspeeds. and it has always been ~5% difference in clocks

First gen X3D chips, so the 5700x3d and 5800x3d had high amounts of L3 cache, helping out in gaming, but the trade off was a way lower clock speed.

But the 7000 series already had much higher clocks on the X3D chips, but there was still a small gap. The important part is that you would lose out on at most 5% multithreaded performance for like 30% more gaming performance.

And now with the 9000 series they implemented the second generation of x3d technology with tiny TSVs which allows them to clock the x3d chips high, and even overclock it and play with the voltage, something that was completely locked in previous gens.

[willow glen]

Well, I’m unsure if this train stop is gonna move yet, so was avoiding powering anything up just to have a mess in my inventory

[half scaffold]

Grrrrrr. I've spent over an hour trying to find this damn artifact. I can HEAR it, but can't find it. I'm pretty sure it's in a cave under me, but I can't find the entrance!

[wicked nacelle]

you can always look up the cave entrances in SCIM

[small bear]

Maybe it's above u?

[willow glen]

There’s at least 2 artifacts that are in a cave with an entrance outside of the detection zone, notably rocky desert

[wicked nacelle]

you can always tell that by flying up/down while looking at scanner level

[half scaffold]

I try to keep from peeking there as much as I can, but I did that about 10min ago. SCIM shows it at an Alt of -2m, so also a good indication it's underground 🙂

It's at 147,900 / 66,475

[smoky reef]

I CANT. i cant with trains. i cant. ive been doing fine with block signal spam but now its deadlocks all over the place. i try to redo my system by tearing everything down and only placing path signals when splitting and block signals at the merging point but now im getting "conflicting entry signal types"!?!?!?! i want die

[half scaffold]

Looks like a large cave, I though the entrance was to the east of it across the water, but I can't find anything.

[hard ivy]

you can't just do random shit and expect it to work lol

[half scaffold]

I wonder the entrance is behind the waterfall to the north east

[smoky reef]

no i just tried to do it actually well and its frustrating LOL

[half scaffold]

On SCIM, if you load up a file and click the Dropped Items under Collectibles, are those things I've left laying around?

[wicked nacelle]

conflicting entry types means you have some path signals and some block signals. I recommend you delete all your path signals and (maybe) convert them to block signals

[shy mulch]

Loads of caves hidden behind waterfalls and rocks, always work being nosey, they usually contain goodies 🙂

[half scaffold]

I had to reconnect tracks in the direction that they were moving several times

I walked the track while holding a block to place so the track would light up, any sections that were red needed attention

[leaden ether]

I've kind of given up on path signals, I've yet to find something I really needed to do that would really benefit from them.

[wicked nacelle]

a 3/4 way intersection benefits from them - no reason to "give up" as they're trivial.

[hard ivy]

intersections where tracks cross
or, actually MIMO intersections, the tracks don't need to cross

[leaden ether]

And yeah they do make a complicated interchange even more complicated when simple block signals work (if not 100% efficiently)

[wicked nacelle]

you have a VERY low definition of "complicated". paths on the inputs blocks on the outputs. done.

[smoky reef]

is there like a good visual guide on these things

[hard ivy]

path signals also create no-stop zones, which is useful sometimes

[half scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inV923LwhrE

[hard ivy]

https://docs.ficsit.app/satisfactory-modding/latest/CommunityResources/TrainSignalGuide.html

[leaden ether]

Except more often than no you get errors. And yeah okay maybe my interchanges are too complex. Maybe it's simple in the simple cases but try to mix two interchanges next to each other and it turns into a mess.

[hard ivy]

if you know what you're doing, you don't get errors

[wicked nacelle]

Nah. Just treat the whole thing as one intersection. Paths on the inputs.blocks on the outputs. Done. Anything within on train length of each other is the same intersection.

[stone summit]

can someone please tell why no matter how many machines that require liquids i put in a row, for some reason exactly 5 of them dont work efficiently

[hard ivy]

not train length. train braking distance

and you can use path signals to separate intersections that are within that

[wicked nacelle]

that's where I don't bother. but yes, a train must get through all the path signals in a row along its path and then exit before it will go

[leaden ether]

Here's an example of an interchange I am currently working on. where anything other than path blocking the entire thing didn't work well. THis is all block signals and allows multiple trains to pass through as long as they are not abouit to cross. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1392982035160633486/Intersection.png?ex=6871831d&is=6870319d&hm=c1260918e676c2b6fb6adae015a13bbaaae48f19084742780763458e8f95a0b1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1489&height=476

Weird, I meant to copy the channel link.

[wicked nacelle]

the actual image link is more useful

[leaden ether]

Yeah, a happy accident, will have to try to do it on purpose in the future :D

[lost wagon]

interactive map isn't loading, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[hard ivy]

I would still put paths on entrances, blocks on exits

and maybe a pair of paths in the middle

[wicked nacelle]

put your bypass rail for trains going right to left above the top station not below it. then you don't have to have that weird ass crossing

[willow glen]

I don’t see any path signals but be aware that when rails cross, even if there’s no valid path from one rail to the other, it’s still considered a block.

[wicked nacelle]

he said he was using all blocks

[willow glen]

that might have been the “entrance” you missed when you tried using path signals

[leaden ether]

I was saying that I didn't use any path signals, block signals work just fine 99% of the time for anything I've done. The 3-4 times I've tried to use path signals it just didn't work out. As telling as the statement made about my image above "Weird ass crossing" says it all IMHO. If you have a relatively simple, straight forward intersection, maybe they are easy. Try to do something interesting and maybe they aren't so easy.

[hard ivy]

I mean using block signals always works. just sometimes not as well as paths would've

[wicked nacelle]

sure if you intentionally build unnecessarily complex weird stuff then you'll have to do more stuff with signals. but you could just build sane intersections and then not be confused

[willow glen]

I disagree but I also have a lot of experience at this point. The annoying part is the rail split bug, not so much the signaling itself.

[wicked nacelle]

I think there are multitrain bidirectional rail setups that can only work with path signals otherwise you get deadlocks when there are multiple passing sections. but with highway system and sufficient distances then block signals always work for sure

[hard ivy]

nah, just put block signals on the one-directional parts (which you'll need anyway) and it works. just very slowly

or at least I haven't seen a setup that's outrght impossible without paths

[wicked nacelle]

ah ok

[azure mortar]

@radiant prawn sukkel

[radiant prawn]

Nee jij sukkel

[slate magnet]

With rails everything is possible, and then some

[wicked nacelle]

I've been looking for a qa site bug to upvote for this but can't find one

[burnt ferry]

block signals are a subset of path signals, hence there must be a setup that is indeed impossible without paths.. but practically speaking its likely to be replaceable by a variant that works without paths

[wicked nacelle]

maybe try that sentence again, cuz... ????

[undone kestrel]

Other way round is it not?

[burnt ferry]

just reread lul

[undone kestrel]

Blocks can exist without paths but paths require blocks to function

[wicked nacelle]

well first, not sure what you think "subset" means but that's not what it means

[wise junco]

who up satisfyin they factory rn

[burnt ferry]

i was there at first, but then i figured must be the other way.. but now im not sure anymore..... 🤷‍♀️ .. but i appreciate you understanding, what I said and react accordingly instead of being pretentious 😂

[shy mulch]

I'm satisfying my need for ice-cream

[small bear]

Fellas did update 1.0 have the same really weird shadow issues that 1.1 has?

[willow glen]

I wasn’t aware satisfactory used one, next time I run into it and can replicate it I’ll post. I just had it, but like usual deconstructing and rebuilding all my signals fixed it, and it’s not like rebuilding it a third time un-fixes it

[undone kestrel]

This place has its fair share of that already lmao

[burnt ferry]

bruh.. i was at diablo 4 discord.. i can tell you stories 😂

[vague sparrow]

Whoo, I passed the exam!

[wicked nacelle]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ official bug reporting site

[undone kestrel]

I failed my final engineering maths exam... by 1% 💀

[wise junco]

we call that a womp womp

[vague sparrow]

ouch, there is no lenience, it's 1%...

[wicked nacelle]

@vague sparrow the lenience is in not requiring 100% to pass

[undone kestrel]

Not at a russel group university there isn't

[hard ivy]

a sad trombone womp womp or shylily womp womp?

[wise junco]

yes

[undone kestrel]

Although you'd think they would round it up considering I got 90% on the coursework but whatever

[burnt ferry]

i was confused shortly why thrombosis could be relevant in this game

[shy mulch]

Exams suck. Glad I'm past all that

[foggy heart]

#screenshots Any suggestions or tips or anything on how to deal with this?

really struggling

[undone kestrel]

I don't really mind them until 3D calculus and probability is involved 🤣

[hard ivy]

what's the issue?

that's just a modeler ss

[foggy heart]

How would I go about balancing that?

[undone kestrel]

you don't

[hard ivy]

you just use a single splitter

[foggy heart]

oh to manifold it? then should I use exact clock speeds on the machines?

[undone kestrel]

If you want, you don't have to though

[shy mulch]

You don't have to do any of those things, just build the machines and don't worry about it

[hard ivy]

as long as you have a bottleneck in the form of an exactly clocked last step (before storage/sink), you don't need to

[undone kestrel]

Or starting machine (miner/smelter/foundry)

[leaden ether]

Well I've been saving up all my power shards for the last couple weeks and now they're all getting used at once -.-

[foggy heart]

interesting

i feel like the game just got a lot easier now that i know that

i've really been trying my hardest to balance everything perfectly

explains why im only at phase 3 120hrs in

[undone kestrel]

I only ever use exact clocks when fluids are involved, everything else I tend to round up and then any excess is put into a resource sink

[viral tendon]

Can i sink dark matter crystal

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch DMC

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=DMC

[hard ivy]

sadge

[viral tendon]

Im not quite sure it worked

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch dark+matter+crystal

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dark+matter+crystal

[hard ivy]

i was hoping it would

but it don't

[viral tendon]

Welp now i know how to use excessive dark matter

Is there a better way tho

[hard ivy]

ideally you'd use the right mix of recipes so you don't have excess

or use that excess for something else that's DMR deficient

[viral tendon]

I'm doing sperpoistion osicllator

Idk where to use it

[hard ivy]

a mix of dark matter trap and crystallization

then you'll be net 0 if you do the right ratio

[viral tendon]

I dont understand any of what you just said

[naive pendant]

Just sinking byproducts is fine

[vague sparrow]

Just got the cybertruck, what a piece of shit, it will only steer to the right

[viral tendon]

Can i package dark matter or it doesn't work like that?

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VvPpCEBxJHf1KaGL6KEu

[viral tendon]

Well yeah

[hard ivy]

just like the irl one 🙃

[leaden ether]

THey just took to heart the study that showed that in crowded city streets, taking three rights is more often than not faster than one left.

[viral tendon]

That uses a lot of alt

[viral tendon]

Bet you didn't even see one irl

[leaden ether]

It genius!

[hard ivy]

I'm pretty sure they're illegal where I live

[viral tendon]

How can car be illegal

[leaden ether]

Safety issues, lighting issues, weight issues, probably many others.

[hard ivy]

this question is so stupid I don't even know how to respond

[hard ivy]

2 atls is nothing

[viral tendon]

This responce is so stupid i don't even know how to respond

Just answer the fucking question

[charred ruin]

Man i forgot how much effort you actually have to put in for nuclear power

[leaden ether]

Yeah it is a very well rounded project. Little bit of everything.

[viral tendon]

6 manufacturers of uranium fuel rod and you gt like 60k MW of power

Maybe more

[hard ivy]

only missing the satisfaction of getting an appropriate amount of power for your troubles

[leaden ether]

Yeah it was a labor of love. THe one I made I really did enjoy doing. At the time it was the most satisfying accomplishment I'd had. I also thought at the time that 75 GW was a lot :D

#screenshots message

I think when I posted that image link it was because I had not attached a message to it. If you add any text to the image it does a link to the post rather than just the image I think

[fathom shuttle]

The largest time sink for nuclear power is gathering all the resources in one place and doing all the piping for water extractors

[leaden ether]

THat image was before I finished all the window dressing

[fluid mesa]

is steam down?

[viral tendon]

Not really

[fathom shuttle]

So if you’re going to do a nuclear power plant might as well go big

[viral tendon]

Just find place and then find water

[hard ivy]

seems to be

[viral tendon]

I did 6 manufacturers of uranium fuel rod and i make 60-70k MW

[eternal geyser]

yeah steam isnt loading for me lol

[hard ivy]

1000 MW is called a GW

[fathom shuttle]

Loads on mobile for me

[viral tendon]

That's cool will still say 60-70k

[fathom shuttle]

Not the website tho

[odd hedge]

yup

[hard ivy]

and you could make that much power from 1800 oil, 4800 water, 48 blenders and 60 refineries

with nuclear you really gotta go big or it's just not worth the trouble

[fathom shuttle]

300 oil

[hard ivy]

even then it's questionable

[mortal ginkgo]

It wouldn't look as cool. That's the important part.

Fuel powered gens look meh.

Its not exactly a trouble if one is having fun.

[hard ivy]

not unless you add something other than water

[fathom shuttle]

True

But a diluted fuel set up probably takes the same amount of time as a rocket fuel set up

[hard ivy]

if you put it in the blue crater, NRF is probably faster

default RF would probably be about equal

[fathom shuttle]

Overall I think nuclear power is definitely not better than rocket fuel. But at the same it’s not the worst thing ever, it’s better than covering the entire blue crater with fuel generators lol

[viral tendon]

Yeah and need 10x more machines tons of alt recipes

[fathom shuttle]

The longest step in nuclear is the uranium step, after that plutonium is very easy to do

[hard ivy]

I think nuclear should be buffed by a lot, and the power consumption of tier 7-9 machines increased

[viral tendon]

Also if nuclea power is such a trouble to you then don't play the game?

Like it's really not that hard

I make more power than i need at the moment

When i'll need more - i will do more

[viral tendon]

Plutonium power is really easy

[viral tendon]

It really shouldn't

It's made so you can power your machines to help you beat the game

[fathom shuttle]

Fully overclocked blenders should consume 400MW, manufacturers 350MW, refineries 150-200MW

[viral tendon]

Not to create unnecseeasrly big factories that use 10 million MW

[hard ivy]

really? aluminium is easier than steel?

[viral tendon]

Well it only needs water and bauxite

YOu just find water and bauxite

[fathom shuttle]

Ah I’m using alts so the uranium step doesn’t consume aluminum

[viral tendon]

Water is almost everywhere just like bauxite

[leaden ether]

.>

[hard ivy]

uranium doesn't use aluminium regardless. it's plutonium that uses alu. and you can't cut it out

[viral tendon]

It pays off tho

[fathom shuttle]

Well, it’s something you have do anyway so I guess it’s only hard if you’re going for very big scale projects

[hard ivy]

compared to rocket fuel? it doesn't really

[viral tendon]

For normal players

Not tryhards who are making 10 million screwrs/m

With 200 fuel gens powered by rocket fuel

There's plenty of uranium and bauxite on the map

[undone kestrel]

Uranium maxing >>

[viral tendon]

You dno't even need uranium in big amounts

[hard ivy]

just like there's plenty of oil, sulfur and nitrogen

RF is just plain easier

[viral tendon]

Yeah what's your point?

[wicked nacelle]

Can’t make diamonds from uranium

[viral tendon]

Nuclear power requires way less machines, not to mention machines that you'll use for rocket power will eat plenty amount of power

[hard ivy]

my point is that no matter who you are, and how much power you need, RF is easier to make

[viral tendon]

Nope

[undone kestrel]

Not if you need oil for other purposes 😅

[viral tendon]

Atleast to make it have the same amount of power generation as nuclaer

I literally made 60k MW nuclear power plant in day or two

I fear 60k MW rocket fuel will need a little more

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, I see all those screenshots of 23495830459873405803 fuel gens in one place, and all I see is "boring".

[wicked nacelle]

That doesn’t seem right. But nuclear takes way less of important end game resources.

[mortal ginkgo]

RF is not easier because it would bore me to death to make a bigger setup than needed, which makes it harder lol

[viral tendon]

I thought that was someone's discord id lmao

[hard ivy]

120 GW of RF requires 529 machines, 480 fuel gens, 30 blenders, 18 refineries and a sink

[undone kestrel]

Also true, I’d rather built nuclear over fuel because it’s actually interesting and you can get creative with it other than just refinery and fuel gen spam

[viral tendon]

Yep not doing this shit

60k MW of nuclear power needs like 25-30 machines including pwoer plants themselfs

Not counting water extractors tho

[hard ivy]

bro you tweaking

[wicked nacelle]

With blueprints and autoconnect it’s not boring for very long though. You can place 4 burners per blueprint and then just click click the power between each. But it takes oil and oil can make diamonds. And I need more diamonds.

[viral tendon]

Okay maybe 50 machines idk

[hard ivy]

you got that exclusive 1000% overclocking or something?

[viral tendon]

I convert nuclear waste into plutnoium

[hard ivy]

because no it fucking does not need only 30 machines

[viral tendon]

Lemme join up and count

[mortal ginkgo]

Exactly. KYO misses the point that it is insanely boring to make RF setup because it is safe and zero challenge.

Hell, I say Coal Gens are actually more interesting because its the first time a player is met with pipes.

Fuel Gens are just... there.

I made 10 of them and I felt no satisfaction. They are good, just not the fun good unless you are farming reddit points with 69420 generator screenshots that are mostly boringly put on a foundation.

The setup is so boring that nobody really bothers to decorate lols.

[viral tendon]

Are we taking miners as machines cuz i'm lazy to count them

[viral tendon]

Truth nuke

[mortal ginkgo]

Its not about the setup, its just, easy.

[viral tendon]

I'm sorry i'm not using 520 fucking machines for 120k MW

[mortal ginkgo]

I think I have been too harsh on you Ryancat. I take all my statements back and raise the flag of "lets be bros".

[reef basin]

*GW

[viral tendon]

I'm cool with that

[mortal ginkgo]

You are a cool cat.

[hard ivy]

OC everything and it's 200 🤷‍♂️

[viral tendon]

Can you stop correcting me like it's really annyoing

[mortal ginkgo]

Whats up with the corrections indeed? Its not like he is saying anything wrong lol.

[hard ivy]

can you stop being wrong on purpose like it's really annoying

[viral tendon]

You're unreal leon

[reef basin]

can you stop being wrong like it's really annoying

[reef basin]

it's quite literally wrong

[mortal ginkgo]

Is it wrong to say 10k MW?

[viral tendon]

Well maybe if you weren't such an asshole that couldn't answer my question, i would consider using your tip

[reef basin]

yes, it's wrong. SI system doesn't allow compound prefixes

[mortal ginkgo]

"several people are typing" oh dear lord

[undone kestrel]

At 100% clock, 4.8 uranium fuel rods takes about 80 machines. With overclocking then around 40 doesn’t seem unreasonable

[viral tendon]

What if soemone is not using SI system

[hard ivy]

MW is SI. so you are

[reef basin]

you are if you're using Watts

[undone kestrel]

Watt is SI lmao

[viral tendon]

Fair enough dumb message

Anyway lemme count up machines

For kyo that says nuclear power isn't that good

[mortal ginkgo]

Surprised to see that it annoys people. Maybe I am not deep into these things. O'well.

[burnt ferry]

checkout #screenshots.,. the train faces a green light which after the t-junction is followed by 2 other green lights until the station it is supposed to go. and yet it tells me it cant reach the station because of the signals?

[undone kestrel]

Units are everything

[reef basin]

that person is doing it on purpose, they have been already told how it should be said and they intentionally say it wrong

(and also teaching people metric is great to spread the knowledge and maybe reduce issues in the future where units/conversions are used wrongly)

[mortal ginkgo]

I think they just don't see a reason to be corrected while what he says numerically ain't wrong.

This isn't a "use terms correct" server I think. I mean it is a game where you can have floating foundations with no explanation and realism.

[viral tendon]

#screenshots message How do people have patience

[south sinew]

It's really not that hard with an autoconnect blueprint

[reef basin]

it is numerically wrong though. "kilomegawatt" doesn't exist 😉

[viral tendon]

I mean to make everything look that cool and stylish

And we're deleting the messge

[mortal ginkgo]

What I mean is, it is not wrong in game's value terms. Saying 10.000MW or 10GW doesn't hurt (imho) because we get what it means and understand.

[viral tendon]

Im dead serious day after people correct me that i just forget that someone corrected me

Like being as honest as i can be

[reef basin]

10000 MW is fine
10 GW is fine
10 kMW is not

[burnt ferry]

its not numerically wrong.. but there is important problems to solve.. for example: why is my train facing only green lights telling me its signals forbid it to drive?

[viral tendon]

Do you like get pinched everytime someone is wrong

[undone kestrel]

Do you need all those signals? Try removing some that are just empty blocks

[viral tendon]

Genuinely

[hard ivy]

station backwards?

[mortal ginkgo]

What I mean is, you understand he means 10000 MW with 10k MW. There is no point on trying to correct someone when you know what he means already.

If I tried to correct every foreigner with the non-English terms they used in the airport I worked (which I understand fine due to experience), I would go mad, or become a reddit mod.

[burnt ferry]

the ones before and after the t junction is needed to make the junction work.. the signal after that is not affecting the issue, i have added it after i noticed the issue

[fathom shuttle]

What about 10 mkW

[undone kestrel]

Milli kilo watt???

Ew

[mortal ginkgo]

ok lets go with 10kwM.

[viral tendon]

Also shouldn't your first letter of a message be capital?

[undone kestrel]

Ok that really makes no sense at all

[viral tendon]

Correct me if i'm wrong

[hard ivy]

nah you're getting blocked for that

[burnt ferry]

hm.. lemme check.. i had the station backwords before but i dont know anymore if the wording was 'because of signals'

but it could be the other station which messes this up.. like not the one it is going to but the one it is coming from

[hard ivy]

drive the entire route and watch out for any signals you need pass in from the back

[reef basin]

I mean SI is pretty much worldwide and it's purpose is to communicate in clearly defined terms that are known across nations... so yeah, it's more important imo to correct that, than english spelling or whatever else.

(it's pretty much the same argument for people calling extractors "pumps" or power storages "batteries" - while I understand what they mean, it's a source of confusion for others. I just ask people to use the proper terms so that we can understand each other without having to specify)

[undone kestrel]

Long winded way just to say 10 W 😭

[hard ivy]

if the rails are set up in a way that could theoretically allow the train to turn around (if it wasn't for the signals), the station will no longer be completely inaccessible, but inaccessible due to signals

[viral tendon]

"I understand what they mean", 15 words after "thta we can understand each other without having to specify"

[burnt ferry]

ye.. but since one part of the t-junction is already working as it is used by another train, the error must be on the new segment, no?

[viral tendon]

Are we serious 💔

[burnt ferry]

there is only that T in the entire network the train has access to. so it can only go backwords to the last station, or go left or right where there is only one station on each side

[fathom shuttle]

I can launch games on steam but can’t enter the website lol

[reef basin]

"we" as a community

[mortal ginkgo]

what I mean is, you understand him, others understand too because this isn't a "heavy SI discord server", it is a "silly sandbox game server".

Your path will only annoy you in the end.

[viral tendon]

Show me a person who wouldn't understand what 10k MW means

[reef basin]

that was in relation to "pump" and "battery"

[mortal ginkgo]

"k" is also a silly term for me but I ain't judging.

[viral tendon]

The game says 10000 MW so if you opened power pole menu once in your lifetime you'll understand

[hard ivy]

if y'all weren't so contrarian for no reason, I wouldn't be annoyed

[burnt ferry]

@hard ivy i posted a screenshot of my junction in #screenshots .. all signals entering and exiting it now look like those you can see on the right

[mortal ginkgo]

I didn't know you were annoyed to yourself, must be rough.

[reef basin]

yeab but 10000 MW isn't 10 kMW because "kMW" is not a valid term 🤷

[barren eagle]

Hi, im new, and I have two question if anyone can help me

[viral tendon]

Pump is what they do, they're pumping

Eveyone who played thge game will understand that

[burnt ferry]

wheres your stand on the games resources? are they 'infinite' or are they 'limited'?

[viral tendon]

You clearly did not get the point of the message

[reef basin]

I'd rather spread "knowledge" about how SI system works than see people use it wrongly 🤷

[reef basin]

resources are infinite
resources per minute are limited

[hard ivy]

I mean the intersection may be signalled correctly, but the error will show if there's an issue anywhere between where the train currently is and its next destination

[burnt ferry]

your not doing it a favor by calling mathematically correct terms 'wrong'

[hard ivy]

"k" is not a mathematical symbol, it's an SI symbol

[burnt ferry]

which follows what? linguistics? or maths?

[barren eagle]

In the early game, which is the best way for transport minerals??? Like to far away. And also If, I'm looking for a component, the best way is making a totally new layout from a new ore. And is there a way to send from a pure 80/min to a side and 40/min to another, something like that, thanks

[mortal ginkgo]

I think it is a rather wrong way of spreading "knowledge". You and KYO are trying to force behavior upon him which does not let your point get across.

That's why KYO thinks it is "contrarian for no reason" while it actually has a reason to happen. He doesn't get that he is being annoying to someone who thinks he is annoying. Endless loop.

[reef basin]

"10k" isn't mathematically correct term anyway
it's just people "stealing" SI prefixes for use in numbers, and while it's generally accepted to be used in non-SI context, you can't then bring it to SI context which has rules and call it "correct"

[viral tendon]

So i checked without miners and power plants/extactors my nuclear power plant for 60GW/ 60k MW 60 000 MW sixty thousands Mega Watts uses about 90 machines, a lil more than 30

[burnt ferry]

im not talking aobut 10k though.. why are you changing the argument like that?

[viral tendon]

Wow

Holy nerd emoji

[burnt ferry]

you said something about combining kilo and mega.. which - while indeed not official usage - can still translate to correct math

[viral tendon]

Hey greeny

[undone kestrel]

Just a thought out of all the SI prefixes why is k the only non-capital out of the 10^(positive number here) prefixes

[sage flame]

i finally started turbo motor production

[viral tendon]

Noticed a little text in bio "Everybody tells me that I'm a phlegmatic, but I don't care.", so if you don't care why should i care about you correcting me?

[sage flame]

what a rush

[mortal ginkgo]

A madman is all you are.

[celest lichen]

I’m deciding where to build my aluminium factory, which biome should I nuke out of existence:

• red forest
• swamp

[reef basin]

eh, my messages usually are just something like *GW and that's how it usually ends. Sometimes person gets confused so I explain how SI works and they are happy to learn, sometimes they ignore me or whatever. Rarely we get a discussion about it (at which point it's no longer "teaching" the person, but rather replying to people saying how is it correct and such - same as now, I'm way past trying to teach something)

[viral tendon]

Every single one of them

[sage flame]

i had to do a pass of my entire production. all of it

[undone kestrel]

(I know it’s to do with SI rules and also a bit of Ancient Greek but annoying regardless)

[wicked nacelle]

I did it at the crater lake and that works well. With a minifactoey in the swamp

[celest lichen]

Most likely red forest since the swamp is gonna get nuked anyways with nuclear reactors

[wicked nacelle]

Lots of coal right there at craters

[viral tendon]

Welp, you corrected me like that multiple times and multiple times i said i don't care

[reef basin]

if only that was maybe a joke or something

[viral tendon]

Yet you're still trying to correctme

[reef basin]

no I'm not? I'm replying to your messages

(and other people's)

[celest lichen]

I’m going for petroleum coke instead of coal this time

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, if I tried to explain everyone how writing simply "you're*" is annoying to the person who is using "ur", it would be.. a lot of time.

Trying to tell people how to behave who are not asking for it will backfire regardless of the way you speak.

It's like telling a 34958305498309 fuel gen spammer to explain how "Nuclear Power is a cool thing". They did not ask for it. Now they are going to be further against it.

Etc etc. Anyway it is 2am and I rather watch anime. 😛

[viral tendon]

This whole shit started beacuse you corrected me

AGAIN

[burnt ferry]

you are teaching it like a grammar though.. it is based on maths and that same math would allow the very concepts you call incorrect.. and this is not doing anyone a favor.. besides the fact that the prefixes are a side aspect of the SI system. the SI system is about the base units gramm and meter and the fact that we use larger or smaller units which are based on the powers of tens because it makes sense... the prefixing then is just an alias for this powers of tens thing... so if youd apply the underlying principle correctly you cant call those symbols incorrect... its just that these aliases are not used in that way

[viral tendon]

And AGAIN because of those fuckass megawatts

[reef basin]

and if you didn't care, why did you reply?

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you guys should let him speak with the way he speaks.

Nobody is here to be educated (unless asked).

[acoustic pike]

Educate me on the ways of the factory

[undone kestrel]

Gramm and meter just hurt my soul

[mortal ginkgo]

Your factory sucks.

[viral tendon]

Well i see a lot of people to say ur instead of you're and the proper way to correct them is to not

[mortal ginkgo]

ur sux

[celest lichen]

It must grow

[acoustic pike]

True but stop changing the subject

[hard ivy]

Not to mention it starts at misusing SI prefixes and ends at people completely making up units

Like p/m, /m or ppm to mean /min, all 3 of which are completely wrong

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/556448894993563659

[viral tendon]

What is sux

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not good at making factory too. You want me to reflect on myself and improve? SUCH FOOLISHNESS.

[burnt ferry]

and yes the fact that i had to explain that with such a huge wall of text means: its irrelevant.. its too easy too see how it makes sense mathematically to make an effort on forbidding people using it that way.. you can tell them its unusual, they can reply they dont care and thaat should be it

[viral tendon]

It's motivation

[mortal ginkgo]

I think in the end "its not a big deal brotherman just let it go and play the game lols there are more important things to fix in this life"

[undone kestrel]

Not me thinking we are all of a sudden talking about parts per million 😅

[celest lichen]

SI is dumb anyway let’s all use CGS

[viral tendon]

Get up and make that factory be good

[burnt ferry]

EXACTLY.. like my train

so guys.. all focus on my train NOW

[mortal ginkgo]

I wanna do trains too but I need to come up with a good way to decorate yes

[viral tendon]

Also if you don't have more important things to do other than correct people on internet then uhm

[burnt ferry]

damn.. it suddenly started moving....

[hard ivy]

Because that's exactly what ppm is

[viral tendon]

Get a job maybe

[burnt ferry]

😂

[undone kestrel]

Sounds about right lmao

[burnt ferry]

i was joking

[undone kestrel]

It’ll stop working again the next time it comes in I bet

[burnt ferry]

forgot thaat i cant post no gifs

[viral tendon]

Anyways it's 2 am i think i might have to go to sleep goodnight people of this server

[burnt ferry]

attatch a beam to a train such that it moves along with the train

then make a moving base

[mortal ginkgo]

There are people who are playing a game about horsegirls right now and there are people who are fighting for how wrong 10k MW sounds like.

And here I have a chronic jaw pain that I am suffering from for years.

Life is interesting, I give that to God.

Woud live again. 10/10.

[undone kestrel]

I also have chronic jaw pain that I keep forgetting to tell my dentist about

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, it is a cool concept. I give you that kek.

[viral tendon]

horse gorl

[undone kestrel]

Should probably get on top of that

[mortal ginkgo]

best girls are horse girls

[mortal ginkgo]

Trust me, you should. Because I got the surgery that supposed to fix it. It didn't.

Also it can be a shoulder muscle issue too.

[viral tendon]

It was reference to ryan trahan's vid

[reef basin]

Not much important at 1am indeed

[viral tendon]

10/10 series didn't end yet but will watch again

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not that experienced in life to get references Q_Q

[burnt ferry]

there is a techno track called 'pferdemädchen'.. it goes 'Pferdemädchen, Hüa Hüa Hott' 😂 😂 😂

[undone kestrel]

Oh interesting… I do also have pain in my left shoulder from when I played rugby lol

[mortal ginkgo]

The more you know

[viral tendon]

The more you know the moreyou argue about useless things on internet

Love it

[burnt ferry]

i wouldnt give all people argueing about useless stuff that free pass for their skills

[mortal ginkgo]

After years of examining all posible issues, here is a story: Jaw Pain can stress the muscles around. The muscles around stress the jaw further, which leads to a chronic pain because nothing lets go anything.

It's like how priority junction pipes get stuck in this game. Yes I suddenly turned the topic into an on topic.

But still, go to dentist. It can get to terrible levels.

[burnt ferry]

as per occams razor what i would conclude of people argueing about useless stuff is: they argue about useless stuff

[viral tendon]

My jaw usually hurts when i laugh too much

Hope one day it will not be the same condition you got

[undone kestrel]

Don’t you just love the human body 🙃, I’ll definitely bring it up at my next checkup

[narrow wraith]

Big s/out to whichever devs worked to support vulkan. I get about a 20% FPS boost; it's crazy.

[viral tendon]

Can you like heal it

Or is it forever

[burnt ferry]

which direction is the arrow of a trainstation to face?

[undone kestrel]

I remember when vulkun was first put in and it was unreal the difference

This was still when intel arc was relatively unoptimised as well

[undone kestrel]

The direction of intended travel

[viral tendon]

Human body sucks, we're fragile to so many things

[celest lichen]

The difference was what 👀

[mortal ginkgo]

Its not supposed to be forever but its like "last of last stages of muscle issue that is not fixed for too long time".

So it hurts even try to fix it but we are getting there hopefully.

[barren eagle]

In the early game, which is the best way for transport minerals??? Like to far away. And also If, I'm looking for a component, the best way is making a totally new layout from a new ore. And is there a way to send from a pure 80/min to a side and 40/min to another, something like that, thanks

[burnt ferry]

so for the last stop it must face towards the track?

[viral tendon]

Good luck ig

[viral tendon]

Why do you need to transport materials far away early game

[undone kestrel]

If your train is travelling north, your station should also be facing north

[viral tendon]

Use belts anyway

They will do the trick

[mortal ginkgo]

use tractors! they are cute lol

[burnt ferry]

bruh.. its the last station.. the train is not going into one direction only?

[barren eagle]

Because coal is not that far but far

[viral tendon]

Mk 1s and mk 2s will take long to power up

[viral tendon]

Or that

[viral tendon]

Belts are reliable but will take a lot of resources

Perosnally for any distance i use belts

[burnt ferry]

are you at the graslands and talk about the coal node south of the starting area?

[mortal ginkgo]

I hate how Trucks are.. bad. Like, they are chungus, they control awful, they are too floaty (everything else is but trucks are just worst)

[viral tendon]

They're stable

[viral tendon]

Real ones use factory cart

[undone kestrel]

I used to be a truck hater and only used trains but recently I’ve been more inclined to use them

[mortal ginkgo]

I also ULTRA HATE the way we need to record paths. Why can't we do it like trains where we draw them?

[undone kestrel]

What do you mean?

[viral tendon]

Rails for cars, sounds interesting

[burnt ferry]

YES.. why cant we move nodes.. why do we need to drive perfectlyt

[burnt ferry]

bruh.. when the train comes to the station.. it will go north.. but when it exits the station it will go south

[undone kestrel]

Perhaps, but the biological processes that evolution has created are so fascinating

[mortal ginkgo]

imagine putting those "path points" as if you are making rails. Like move thsoe nodes, copy them, etc.

Like why is it has to be THAT meh of a system?

I guess it is to make people force going trains and drones.

[celest lichen]

I like the idea of using trucks but I hate having to setup the infrastructure for them, especially in the early game where you’re gonna have to sacrifice a coal node to keep them running

[undone kestrel]

So your train is a push pull?

[mortal ginkgo]

They are good and makes the factory look dynamic but boy.

[viral tendon]

Well i'm not falling for it, i use belts, they can't nerf belts

Or dimensional depot is a good option

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah belts are good.

[burnt ferry]

its the last station? you think the train will go there and then .... just do nothing, stay there forever?

[viral tendon]

If you ddon't need big amounts of items

[barren eagle]

no jajjaja, I go far away like a cliff in the south west with basic iron, copper and limstone

[mortal ginkgo]

I just like tractors. They are cute lol.

[undone kestrel]

Well you can build a loop

[viral tendon]

Mk 6 belts look nice

[undone kestrel]

Which is what is advisable in almost all circumstances

[viral tendon]

Love the lightning on mk 5 ones, from far away they look majestic

[undone kestrel]

Push pull trains just create unnecessary headache

[mortal ginkgo]

I am on mk4 belts right now Q_Q

[viral tendon]

Yikes

[burnt ferry]

i know.. my question however was which direction the station is supposed to be faced

[mortal ginkgo]

I got total of 10 fuel gens brother. I am too slow due to constantly decorating kek

[celest lichen]

By push pull you mean two headed right?

[undone kestrel]

If you are doing push pull you need a station at both ends I believe

[viral tendon]

I think we need mk 7 belts, that can transfer up to 1800 resource/m for advanced factories

[undone kestrel]

Yes

[burnt ferry]

yes.. especially when people pollute your question by suggesting things instead of answering questions

[mortal ginkgo]

I think devs just matching the miner speeds.

[viral tendon]

Yeah...

[mortal ginkgo]

with all due to respect dear ohcibi, I think your questions can be answered with a youtube video or two

[viral tendon]

On wiki they got aka " the sugarcube"

[undone kestrel]

This is probably the source of your issue, the train can’t find a way back because there is literally no path from your station

[spring gust]

Whats the best way to suggest things for the game

[celest lichen]

I’m no expert because I’ve never tried in satisfactory but I think one station is enough, the train should be smart enough to go back into the main track as long as the signals are correct

[viral tendon]

788888888

[undone kestrel]

It’s been a while since I’ve actually setup trains, and I’ve also never done a push pull system but I don’t think they are that smart

[viral tendon]

Is it bad that i use only 1 train instad of 2880800 trains?

[undone kestrel]

Trains look at what is infront of them only

[burnt ferry]

ye i know.. but, see... you seem to know which direction the arrow is to face at, why you put in all this effort into this instead of either just ignoring me all together or simply telling me the answer to my question?

[undone kestrel]

I’ve literally told you the answer. You need a station at each end of your last station

In your words, you need an arrow in both directions

[burnt ferry]

you are correct, sometimes im just to fascinated about peoples refusal to answer questions... but im not doing myself a favor, i know

[leaden ether]

A single push pull on a dedicated track for specific purposes seems perfectly fine.

[undone kestrel]

Being rude isn’t the best way to get help from people you know 😅

[reef wasp]

I'm playing Satisfactory right now. There are elements of this game I missed.

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean in discord you will get tons of answers.

However I don't think Finlzz is wrong. You are just doing the "hard way of trains". 😛

[burnt ferry]

but i was asking when putting the station to which direction the arrows should to look at?

i mean it might be an oversight but that was the initial question

[undone kestrel]

And you didn’t tell us that you were doing a single track at the time so your question was impossible to answer in the way you wanted it answered

[burnt ferry]

there is stations everywhere.. im rebuilding them and just want to make sure to put them into the right direction

[undone kestrel]

The easiest fix to your problem is to have the arrow facing the same way in the direction of travel the train came in from and then loop your track

[burnt ferry]

AAAAAh.. finalily

[undone kestrel]

Which is what I said here

[burnt ferry]

facing the same way IN THE DIRECTION THE SAME [....] THE TRAIN CAME IN FROM

THE TRAIN CAME IN FROM.. .this is the response to the question i was asking

thank you very much

[undone kestrel]

And here

[burnt ferry]

you didnt specified that by traveling you mean going towards the station