satisfactory

[leaden turret]

overnight cold drip

[unkempt blade]

ahh the ionized fuel of my soul

[shy mulch]

Can anyone explain the purpose of Dark-Ion Fuel alt recipe?
I can't think of any use case where it makes sense

[verbal crest]

woah

[dense violet]

so you don't need shards?

[hard ivy]

DMCs are easier to make than power shards, so it's mildly useful if you want just a little bit of it for the jetpack

Both are shit for power, so even though dark ion is over 2x worse, it doesn't really matter

[keen hawk]

Took me 6 hours to set up my refinery for 1 600m3 pipe, i still have 2 more pipes to go

Am i supposed to just constantly flip rubber and plastic with recycle alts to maximise it btw?

[dense violet]

I tend to make like... 600 plastic, then split it in two to make 1200 rubber in the next step, and so on yes

ime it's easier if you make two seperate factories though. 1 for plastic and one for rubber as the final product

[keen hawk]

So i make HOR alt, dilute all the HOR into fuel, and use the resin to make the base for the start of the chain?

[dense violet]

pretty much

[keen hawk]

My last pipe went into generic production and power plant generation
Ive ran my nearby coal dry so ill just focus on production rn instead

[hard ivy]

I'd suggest doing 2 half-open loops. All plastic goes to recycled rubber, and then overflow excess as the output. And the opposite for rubber

[dense violet]

sure? you can always burn more distant coal. Generally easier to

[hard ivy]

And add residual rubber to the rubber flow with a priority merger so the loop self-starts

[keen hawk]

Im about 50k mw i think
It might be fine until i start with particle accelerators

[dense violet]

probably fine even then

[keen hawk]

Im ngl this is all greek to me

[dense violet]

you don't need to use a priority merger there at all, don't worry about it.
just make a set of refineries that makes the residual rubber, then send that to make recycled plastic, and so on and so on

I'm also not sure what they really mean

[keen hawk]

I just need to find the HOR alt now…

[hard ivy]

2 rows of refineries. 1 for recycled rubber, 1 for recycled plastic. All plastic produced goes to recycled rubber on one belt. All produced rubber goes to recycled plastics.

But there's a smart splitter on both of those belts, set to any towards the recycling, and overflow to output

[keen hawk]

Does this self regulate the fuel usage or smth?

[dense violet]

just... just make dedicated systems that are clocked right

[ripe basin]

Hello cobalt

[hard ivy]

Yes. It self-regulates everything

[keen hawk]

I think i understand the overflow part

Every system takes as much as it needs and sends the rest up

And the limiting factor is no. of refineries and fuel production?

[hard ivy]

Yes, and belt speed

[keen hawk]

Uhh

So if i capped everything out, it would be 13 refineries per side for 780?

[dense violet]

I'd keep it to 600 anyway since that's what 1 pipe, at most, can have a section make

[keen hawk]

Ehh

[hard ivy]

For plastic, yes. Rubber also has the residual rubber. Unless you don't merge it, then it'll also be 13

[keen hawk]

Isnt it 1 fuel to 2 output?

1 fuel + 1 input = 2 output

[dense violet]

sorry, 1200. But split it into multiple groups for further processing

[hard ivy]

The recipe is, yes

[keen hawk]

Um

[hard ivy]

Some has to loop back, so you won't get 2x the fuel in actual output

[keen hawk]

This is all just planning, i dont even have hor yet

LOL

[hard ivy]

This is how the recycling loop looks like:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=t8nM67jITZp5sKjHMPp6

So I just build all machines set to 1 recipe in a group, and connect belts like the arrows show

[late tartan]

Is it possible to mod satisfactory on the steam deck?

[coarse epoch]

I am doing this setup now, but unfortunately I can’t do the overflow method because my scale is too big. 900/min of plastic and rubber after the rest is recycled

[ripe basin]

I dont think so

[late tartan]

:(

[hard ivy]

Why would it not be?

It's just a Linux computer

[ripe basin]

Huh

[hard ivy]

On console, it probably will be impossible

As long as you can access the files, it's moddable

Maybe not with SMM, but you should be able to mod it manually

[hard ivy]

Do 2 setups

[oak steppe]

Hi all, any PC gamers who like to teach people to build better by any chance?

[late tartan]

Im not confident enough to manually mod.

[stone python]

ya, lots of youtube videos about it

[oak steppe]

I want to play with some one though, not really watch videos 😛

[hard ivy]

Just find the install location, create a "Mods" folder and paste the mods downloaded from Ficsit.app there

[scarlet canopy]

Do quanten encoder go over max consumtion?
#screenshots message

[reef zealot]

Posted progress on the tower of madness and ineficency in #screenshots

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-dinosaurs-jim-henson-muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-gif-10951398133467140007

[ripe basin]

I have a tower of madness of my own

But its somehow efficient

[stone python]

do the linux server version of the mods work on a linux client?

Edit: looks like they do, neat

i didnt think they did

[hard ivy]

Nah, actually SMM seems to be available for Linux. So you don't even need to

[shy mulch]

That power graph is bonkers haha

[ivory condor]

We have superpositon power draw now

[reef zealot]

Mine is painfully slow and backed up in some places and inredibly resource starved in others

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

[tropic kelp]

my smart plating factory produces way too many rotors

[reef zealot]

like my tower works

[ripe basin]

Mine is slow too, but its usually backed up. It is starving only in 2 places: HOR and steel beans

[reef zealot]

but it weould probabaly give some pro players a heart attack and make even lets game it out raise a concerned eyebrow

not even he built his this high i don't think

[scarlet canopy]

yeah but why does it go over the blue line?

[reef zealot]

the higher i build the worse it gets

higher and higher

[oak steppe]

Ill give that ago, although i cannot post atm

[reef zealot]

until i can reach the death crate stuck on the orbital elevator

cus i accidentally laughed myself into space

[hard ivy]

The max consumption calculations don't really work like they should with machines with variable consumption for some reason.

Blame the devs idk

[reef zealot]

@ripe basin the second platform you can see if for the nuclear power plant

i have plants for that and where to store it

[ripe basin]

I didnt do nuclear yet

[reef zealot]

*pans

[ripe basin]

Pans?

[reef zealot]

plans

i can't spell

[hard ivy]

You know you can edit messages, right?

[reef zealot]

i even have a theme for the factory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5DStwthBag

[dense violet]

might be a restriction upon joining the server. You can always join other people's games.
you'll have a much harder time waiting for someone to join you because I think that's what everyone wants

[oak steppe]

Ahh fair play, thanks for the tip ❤️

[nocturne orbit]

When did surface scattering began disappearing if light source is not visible?

[undone kestrel]

Man so much has changed even since I last played just over a year ago lol

Love the echos and sound differences

[unkempt blade]

exactly right, in the words of a great philosopher "I'm a star! I'm on top! Somebody bring me some haaaam!"

[sick umbra]

This game hurts my brain

[wanton root]

guys is there a way to send certain amount of items to multiple stations?

like a splitter

[naive pendant]

@wanton root Splitters, mergers, and belt tiers are the only tools for belt stuff.

What are you trying to do specifically?

[wanton root]

I wanna use train to send cooling systems to two location

[naive pendant]

Mhm

[wanton root]

some to supercomputer factory and my storage

[naive pendant]

Usual setup for something like that is to produce say 10 SC/minute and consume 10 or less SC/minute. Can simply manifold, ala splitter, distribute to both.

Trains you never want to bottleneck, so multiple ways the train link could be done.

[noble prairie]

Hellllooo my friends 🙂

[naive pendant]

Hi

[dense violet]

you can try to load balance into the stations, but it's easier to just clock the producers to make the amounts you need

[haughty flax]

Im gonna be belting 540/min of steel from decently far away, at what quantity is it logical to make trains instead?

[dense violet]

whatever you choose it to be

it's more about if you're setting up infrastructure that future trains can also use

if it's just one long line for the one thing and never anthing else? might consider drones

[wanton root]

I just decided to bring everything to my base and produce supercomputer there

[dense violet]

sure

[subtle path]

Guys Alternate, Molded steal pipe or Biocoal or rescan

[dense violet]

same as any hard drive
do you need any now or in the near future?
if yes? pick it
if no? rescan
repeat steps

and/or pick and random

[subtle path]

i see

I'Ll rescan because both are trash

[dense violet]

all recipes have their uses in different situations based on location, personal prefernces and other recipes you're using. Also the volume

[tall ivy]

i swear the 3 way Hypertube Junction is busted. I try to approach in in a tube, going normal speed , not accelerated at all. I spam E a few times, it just doesn't change direction, untill seemingly i go through the 3-way, then reverse myself going back through the way I came, and try again.

[dense violet]

deciding that any recipe is useless is also foolish.

[summer quail]

you can also ignore and leave them there so you don't get them again

[subtle path]

BRUH I got charcoal and wet concreate bruh

I should've gotten the previous molded steel hell nah 😭

[subtle path]

oh dang

[dense violet]

you're locking yourself into really bad lines of thinking here.
you're ignoring the possibilities.
Sure charcoal is really niche, wet concrete is a great generalist recipe

[subtle path]

yeah I am doing it now to wet concreate and charcoal bruh 2 of the most useless things ever

[dense violet]

I don't think you understand anything about recipes

[subtle path]

Concreate is easy to make

[summer quail]

I don't think he's at that point in the game yet 😉

[dense violet]

nope

[subtle path]

look I am here for a casual gaming not to create a mega factory with many complex stuff so idk if I would want to bring water all the way from 800m just to produce more concreate when I have a lot already

[dense violet]

you don't need to be doing a mega factory. You just have to be open to the posibilities recipes give you

[subtle path]

fair enough

[dense violet]

that's what alt recipes are - options

combine them in different ways and get great results

[subtle path]

but considering closest water for me is 800m it would be quite bad to use it on concreate when It can be used for coal n stuff

[summer quail]

564 constructors later

[dense violet]

the game forces you to expand.
You'll get there

[subtle path]

:>

[velvet idol]

what possibilities does charcoal or biocoal give? because I can't think of one

[subtle path]

I'll skip theese 2 now

[dense violet]

It's niche true, but the main one I can think of is temporary amunition/explosive factories. Where you can just dump stuff in a container and make some gun stuff.

without having the extra need of finding a spot with coal

[subtle path]

guys is medical inhaler 1 time thing or it can kept being used and is infinite?

[dense violet]

you can also turn pigs into uranium rods. which is funny

[south elm]

1 time

[hard ivy]

Charcoal probably none, but biocoal might be useful for black powder in a small explosives factory. Protein gives plenty of biomass

But I'd still consider it a waste of a drive

[velvet idol]

I'd rather use protein for DNA capsules

[subtle path]

you can auto-farm protein? how

[dense violet]

you don't auto farm it, but with slooping you only need to kill a few pigs to get a decent uranium system going

[hard ivy]

You can't.

[dense violet]

I mean sure. the whole game is about choices. But you also get tons of automated points very quickly

[subtle path]

aw mæ

[reef basin]

considering that the game heavily pushes you towards expanding to other biomes, you shouldn't make decisions just based on things close to you

[tall ivy]

#screenshots message anyone able to comment on this?

[subtle path]

oh naw I am already getting sort of pissed at steel requiring coal and u say it gets worse?

naw

[velvet idol]

with SAM and converters I assume, cause uranium rods need a lot more than just coal

[reef basin]

I'm not saying it gets worse? I'm saying that a very recommended gameplay style is building factories all over the map near nodes they need

[subtle path]

bro I gotta then get stuff that is 2km away from me with mk2 conveyors? it'll cost me like 1000 reinforced plates man

[dense violet]

slooping every step you actually get a lot of uranium rod from 1 pig xD

[subtle path]

like quartz for example

[dense violet]

find a spot that already has coal and steel in teh same place

[reef basin]

no, you build there

[minor rock]

idk just mine some and carry it

you dont need a lot early right?

[velvet idol]

that's a lot of steps though

[dense violet]

also research stuff in the MAM. It's the most important building in the game

[subtle path]

yeah I sort of fixed that

[subtle path]

oh I can just bring the outputted stuff close to me and that'd work?

[dense violet]

not as many as you'd think. I had this conversation with someone a little big ago and they did the set up from scratch pretty quick

[subtle path]

like lets say 10 small factories bringing stuff to1 main storage

that is ofc sorted

[reef basin]

or just keep it there. Throughouth the game you get many options to not have to travel anywhere

[dense violet]

it can. but it gets messy fast. especially if you're not experienced

[subtle path]

i see

[velvet idol]

did you figure out how many sloops in total

[subtle path]

hmm what's a good way to travel fast? like fast fast

in seconds ☠️

[reef basin]

train, explorer, etc.

in lategame there are ||portals||

[subtle path]

hmm i see

[dense violet]

depends how big you're going. The main thing was slooping all the bio mass and coal getting a lot of omph. And probalby slooping the rods themselves

[tall ivy]

On a pre-determined route? Tubes

[subtle path]

very good

[minor rock]

if u put enough everywhere u dont have to worry about it

[reef basin]

but in general, you don't really need to travel often, especially not to existing places

[dense violet]

you also can unlock blade runners, make you run fast. Hyper tubes too

[reef basin]

usually you just travel somewhere once to set up a factory, and then maybe once more to fix an issue or something

[dense violet]

Just play through the game and experiment. The tiers are like a really good tutorial

[subtle path]

oh yeah I got blade runners it is amazing

[subtle path]

i see

[winter spoke]

how to change train signal direction?

[naive pendant]

@winter spoke Signals swap sides based on where you look on the tracks. Kinda unintuitive.

[subtle path]

ok to learn this factory setting up good I got a question, I have a coal and a iron (that is the closest to eachother) that is 400m, do I build steel factory at iron and import coal with conveyors? would that work?

[dense violet]

sure

[subtle path]

it'll cost me a good 100-200 reinforced plates

[subtle path]

got it

[dense violet]

once you automate things , things are basically free

[subtle path]

lol yeah

[dense violet]

but also I'd find a spot with both coal and iron next to each other. It's pretty common

[subtle path]

I can't find any

[winter spoke]

I tried to look from every direction and it doesn't change on some parts... argh

[naive pendant]

I thought maybe tracks block signals on the other side once you’ve placed a signal to mark it right hand or left hand drive.

[dense violet]

you can always explore more and ping for it 🙂 but up to you if you want to do that work

[winter spoke]

it should allow to place biside road anyway

[subtle path]

going back and forth would be a pain :> Ig I'll just do the 300-400m far away one because the other nearest coal to me is 1500m away

thanks for helping

[dense violet]

1500m isn't bad, but more distant coal for power is generally easier

[subtle path]

uh oh

I did power on all the closest ones

Ig I should've done it to the far ones LMAO

[sage flame]

is there a way to get more than 600m/s ore out of a miner?

[subtle path]

you can get 600m/s? I get like 120 :>

[sage flame]

it goes higher, but the max belt speed is 600m/s

and i can't seem to shove a splitter on the entrance of the miner

so i assume 600m/s is the functional maximum

[white dawn]

Yes, a fully-overclocked mk3 miner can produce 1200/min on a Pure node

[dense violet]

mk5 belt is 780, I don't know where you get 600 from

and mk4 is 480

[hasty cradle]

Theres a mk6 belt right?

[white dawn]

The extraction rate depends on the mk of the miner, plus the node purity, plus overclock settings. And then it'll be constrained by whatever belt you have attached to it

[dense violet]

yup. Find 3-4 coal nodes next to a lake and have 48-64 coal gens

[dense violet]

you'll need that much

[keen hawk]

just finished automating my turbo motors, but im running a deficit of 5 motors/min rn
i have a buffer of about 3 industrial storages of motors, so each stack buys me 10 minutes of maximum efficiency
i guess the question is how many turbo motors i need

[dense violet]

not a lot pm for just stuff. just have a single container full and let things overflow again
after the phases are done who knows how many you'll 'need' (want)

[hollow needle]

So there is this Satisfactory mod loader mod on the Mod manager page but it says it’s dependent on another mod and I couldn’t find out what other mod is needed can anyone help me?

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[dense violet]

afaik you just need the mod loader program

[hollow needle]

I installed it I have the program

[dense violet]

ask in the mod server linked if you're having issues then. best place for it

[undone lichen]

What coordinates should i put my radar towers to cover the entire map?

Is there like any guides

[true mulch]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Optimal_Radar_Tower_Placement.webp

[undone lichen]

Thanks man

[fathom shuttle]

I’ve decided to build my space parts and turbo motors factory in the grass fields

Don’t want to expand into the dune desert, just so I can have a 100% fresh experience when replaying

[willow glen]

Is it common to play with Lumen on? I see a lot of screenshots and designs that depend on it, but i enjoy smooth framerate and motion more, so im conflicted.

[hollow hazel]

If you are just building factories, go for frame rate. If you want to decorate with lighting or get beautiful screenshots, max out the video settings.

[grizzled lotus]

uh, something weird happened. I pressed left click and I got a sort of beacon with a green triangle/excalamation mark

[willow dawn]

Was it where you were pointing?

[shy mulch]

You were probably holding Alt

[grizzled lotus]

yes

[grizzled lotus]

ah

[shy mulch]

alt and click is a shortcut to set a map marker

press M to open the map and edit/delete markers

[grizzled lotus]

are four walls enough to keep a lizard?

[shy mulch]

need a floor too

if you just have them on the ground they can sometimes walk inside weird gaps in the scenery

[frozen cloud]

alt gets stuck if you alt tab
hold down alt -> press tab -> satisfactory isnt active so "let go of alt" doest register
tab back in, and it still thinks alt is pressed
presss alt again so the "let go of alt" registers

[shy mulch]

it's weird seeing that written out, I've always hit alt again out of muscle memory after alt-tabbing between stuff, done it for years, and never really thought about why haha

[willow dawn]

This never happens with me...

[hollow hazel]

I've had these sticky situations in many places, even Blender. I alt-tab, maybe almost alt-tab before actually alt-tabbing, and I come back and I cannot write stuff or get commands to work properly. I then slam all modifier keys at once and hope it fixes things.

[harsh fog]

is there such a site with like world save/sharing?

[frozen cloud]

its the way windows handles keys
the window with the focus gets send WM_KEYDOWN
but after the alt tab it doesnt have focus so the WM_KEYUP gets send to the wrong application
but this is getting off topic and im just nerding out

[charred ruin]

any tips for finding somersloops easier? or do i just hold out my scanner and travel across the map

[shy mulch]

use SCIM if you don't consider it "cheating"

[willow glen]

I could have swore they fixed that in a patch, but I’ve also had my alt key stick in satisfactory recently, so I guess the fix didn’t

[charred ruin]

no idea what that is

[shy mulch]

satisfactory calculator interactive map

[willow glen]

If you’ve explored the whole map, I don’t consider map looking as cheating, but that’s to each their own.

[charred ruin]

ah

honestly idk if the interactive map will help since ive already collected a lot, but worth a shot ig

[shy mulch]

you can choose what you want to see / not see. and you can upload your save file to it for a more custom view, it'll include what you've already got

[willow glen]

You can upload your save and it’ll tell you what’s left on the map

[willow dawn]

Wow thats amazing

[willow glen]

Yup! I use it a lot for finding hard drives and planning out factory locations

[charred ruin]

oh neat

[willow dawn]

def going to try that out later!

[keen hawk]

Are supercomputers used for anything other than space elevator parts

[shy mulch]

Some buildings require them

In late game it's pretty useful to have 2 or 3 per minute feeding into a dimensional depot, for use when building factories

[keen hawk]

uhh

is that like tier 9
i cant see the uses on my codex

[shy mulch]

look on wiki

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Supercomputer

[keen hawk]

oh cool

i finally started on my space elevator parts today, finished automating ads with a little drone part injection

[plush pumice]

not only am i processing all the way to ficsonium, im also dealing with any by-products and trying to intigrate APM (Alien Power Matrix) production into it as well

[oak steppe]

How is it possible, to build pipes that go up from a machine?

[plush pumice]

you're kidding, right?

[oak steppe]

As in to create that manifold from them

[ruby steppe]

heyo is there like a calculator where you input resources and it show which products you can make out of them?

[oak steppe]

hold on let me screenshot it, I assume its just put the T pipe in first?

[quiet gust]

Satisfactory calculator, satisfactory tools or satisfactory modeler on steam

[hard ivy]

Just use SFTools or another calculator that isn't painfully slow lol

[hard ivy]

Not really. Nor do I know why would you want that

[quiet gust]

How much uranium are you using

[plush pumice]

it's just the one thing that's slow, and it's only slow when i add in APM calculations

[ruby steppe]

oh you know take a cluster of resources and make products

[quiet gust]

Use manual if you are doing satisfactory modeler

[plush pumice]

rn it's calculated to be using just under 500/min (using the resources in and around the swamp)

[quiet gust]

500 uranium?

[plush pumice]

deadass, aint got a clue how manual calculating mode works

[plush pumice]

yeah, and every uranium node is connected via drone

[quiet gust]

The same but you put in like a value you want somewhere

[quiet gust]

That doesn't sound right, how many nodes are you using

[hard ivy]

That's a recipe for ending up with way too much or way too little of a product

[ruby steppe]

maybe but then you can make that product and transport it somewhere else to make bigger one. kinda helps transporting as well since instead of trasporting thousands you only need to transport a few hundred per min

[quiet gust]

Too much

[ruby steppe]

for example i took 3600 iron and some copper to make 225 stators and 260 rotors

[quiet gust]

You should only transport high complexity low production rate items to be sent elsewhere

[willow dawn]

Do you guys like to make dedicated factories for one thing or do you try to make everything for a certain end product on site?

[quiet gust]

Don't, it's almost always better to make something as simple as that on site

[hard ivy]

Every factory turns ores into a final product that goes into the depot. Or power

[quiet gust]

Somewhere between both

[ruby steppe]

i kinda take clusters of nodes transport raw if necesary and then make complex those complex go to one huge factory to make ven more complex

[quiet gust]

I make like 3-4 items per factory

[plush pumice]

every node (minus the one behind the swamp waterfall) are 250% mk3

[quiet gust]

You should have 2100 uranium

[willow dawn]

Ok so when you have a ton of one resource somewhere you don't make like a ton of rods and send them to places that don't have that resource nearby?

[quiet gust]

No

Make it on site

[willow dawn]

Ok 🙂

[quiet gust]

The amount of items you need scales with tiers

[plush pumice]

well oil is placing a limit since im only using the impure well on the south side of the swamp

[quiet gust]

What oil do you need

What uranium and plutonium recipes are you using

[plush pumice]

it's more for products in the making of the ruel rods, more specifically AI limiters and circuit boards.
standard UFR recipe and Plutonium Fuel Unit

[quiet gust]

Where do you need circuit boards

[hard ivy]

Make sure you use the recycling loop

[limber storm]

Hey, I was wondering if Satisfactory has improved the server tick rate. I built a gigantic train network and, due to the high number of trains, it started to slow the tick rate down when the trains were loaded.

[vestal mica]

those big tick thigns are everwhere. always in the way. they definitely increased the rate

[buoyant vapor]

Is there some kind of drain i can use to get rid of extra oil residue? my system keeps clogging because of it

[plush pumice]

computers, which are for the radio control units and then pressure conversion cubes

[spiral summit]

the fact that my fps immediately drops to 10 as soon as i see a large stinger

[quiet gust]

Petroleum coke then put those in a coal generator for more power, every machine takes 25 coke per minute

[buoyant vapor]

^ besides the flush

[plush pumice]

how much HOR you making?

[buoyant vapor]

yeah but if im doing that using it for fuel for generators is just better

[quiet gust]

Ah. Im not going to tell you how to play the game but I would heavily recommend making cubes off site

[buoyant vapor]

hor?

[quiet gust]

Oh you have polymer resin

[plush pumice]

Heavy Oil Residue

[hard ivy]

No. You have to use it for something

[loud leaf]

is it possible to make aluminum only using byproduct water and no water extractors?

[buoyant vapor]

I have plastic and rubber production refineries, a drain would be nice but i dont see any

[quiet gust]

Make some into rubber, some into plastic and use an overflow smart splitter to sink extra plastic

[quiet gust]

With sloops yes

[loud leaf]

how do i do that then

[quiet gust]

There is a reddit post I saw a while back I'll try to find it

[buoyant vapor]

im running out of space:( i need to make another factory i guess

[quiet gust]

Basically you have to sloop the scrap machine and clock it until the water matches the input.

And you need some water to start the process

[hard ivy]

Idk why would you value water extractors higher than Somersloops

[hot marsh]

please i need a tutor in train track my brain so hurt

[hard ivy]

https://docs.ficsit.app/satisfactory-modding/latest/CommunityResources/TrainSignalGuide.html

[hot marsh]

thx my friend

[mossy birch]

Well... I want to explore the world in Satisfactory and want to know how to mark stuffs in the interactive map.

[green fiber]

the interactive map only allows you to toggle markers on it when you upload a save

[hard ivy]

Idk what you want to mark but loading your save file to it might be what you want

[green fiber]

otherwise, you cannot do anything with it except for toggling "show all nodes of this type" or similar

[mossy birch]

Hard Drive, Power Slugs, Mercer Spheres, and Somersloop.

[hard ivy]

They automatically get marked as collected when you upload a file

[mossy birch]

Hm...

[spice patio]

As in SCIM will show the state if they have been collected or not.
SCIM probably has some ability to create ingame map markers when editing a save too.

But I have never even tried to do that, so don't know for certain.

[willow dawn]

Can you use the liquid biofuel in the biofuel generators?

[green fiber]

yes. package it

[hard ivy]

Why would you want to do that lmao

[spice patio]

There is small icon on top left(?) of the fuel slot that shows what fuels that you have unlocked that machine can use.

[willow dawn]

Great.... now I have to rework my whole biofuel setup

[willow dawn]

It's a backup for my back up

[green fiber]

why are you using biofuel / biomass burners if you have refineries

[spice patio]

Just use it in Fuel Generators?

[hazy sable]

You can try https://satisfactory.th.gl/ if you like to track by yourself

[green fiber]

just put the biofuel in fuel generators if you wanna use it

[willow dawn]

I am splitting half off to use for my jetpack since everybody seems to agree thats better than solid

While I'm at it I may as well feel the liqued into my biomass burners

[quiet gust]

Why

[green fiber]

why not just the fuel generator. no need to package it

[mortal ginkgo]

wouldn't it be better to say, have a large fuel buffer that you can use in emergency instead of biofuel that you can't automate?

even better, how about Power Storages that are filled up and then unlinked from your network?

[quiet gust]

Just use batteries if you need a backup

[willow dawn]

Cause I need to package it anyways for myself. I may not do it if it turns out not to make sense

[willow dawn]

Thats my back up, this is the back up for my back up 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

packaged biofuel is really good for the jetpack

[quiet gust]

Why

[green fiber]

wheres the backup backup of the backup

[mortal ginkgo]

you must be have a dangerous network if you need THAT much backups

[willow dawn]

Gods you ask that a lot

[mortal ginkgo]

its solid biofuel burners

[vestal mica]

liquid is roughly 535353 times better than solid in the jetpack, but only about 10% better in the biomass burner. not sure it's worth the packaging material and water

[green fiber]

no thats the backup backup

[willow dawn]

Give me time and I will think of one 😛

[white dawn]

Heh, it's fun to build out redundant systems, even if you never expect to use 'em

[green fiber]

i mean the backup of the backup's backup

[quiet gust]

If you have enough batteries you don't need that, and late game liquid biofuel aint gonna be nearly enough power

Unless it's just for fun

[willow dawn]

Plus I still had it from my early early days and it's beautiful and don't want to tear it down so I might as well use it

[mortal ginkgo]

I think they are just happy with the plan,

[willow dawn]

Right, I am nowhere NEAR late game

[mortal ginkgo]

I say go for it despite having better options

[white dawn]

I seem to have finally fallen out of the habit of doing it myself, but on my U8 save I was still building out both offline Power Storage (for power-generation kickstarting) plus Priority Power Switch infrastructure, even though the last time I "legit" tripped a grid was back in Update 3

[willow dawn]

I just got my first oil power plant done

[vestal mica]

is there a factorioesque mod that makes the fauna destroy our power network if we leave it undefended?

[mossy birch]

In Satisfactory Calculator, can you see where you put Dimensional Depot Uploaders?

[vestal mica]

might finally have a need for any backups then

[quiet gust]

Then it'd be better to make a really large power plant at that stage

Imo

[mortal ginkgo]

I think monsters are not coded to attack buildings, or damage them, as buildings dont have such functionality

[vestal mica]

i guess whoever makes that mod has a lot of work to do

[mossy birch]

Because I am calculating the number of Mercer Spheres and it lacks one, and the one may be the dimensional uploader.

[mortal ginkgo]

probably too much for it to actually work

[white dawn]

Some browsing through the mods DB would probably give you an answer. :)

[willow dawn]

Well I need to make liquid biofuel for my jetpack anyways and I like to take it slow, I don't need this power right now but it is nice to have if I build a bigger factory than I anticipated

[white dawn]

(I mean, there's a nonzero chance that if such a mod does exist then someone here would know about it and be able to say "yes," of course.)

[viral tendon]

Making the game hard just to make the game hard 😭

[vestal mica]

i'm just trying to give back up systems and power switches a reason to exist

[viral tendon]

Interesting

Nice concept tho

But there's really not much use for power switches or system

[willow dawn]

ooh dang I need to make canisters for packaged biofuel

Makes sense when you think about it

[vestal mica]

yeah that's my point. there might be if monsters could break some of your power

[willow dawn]

But makes this entire idea silly

[hard ivy]

Well duh. You might want to get an alt for them so they're easier to make

[willow dawn]

Ok, I just thought to make some liqued biofuel cause yesterday everybody was nagging me that solid sucks for the jetpack but this is not a project that makes sense before I set up train lines to move resources around

[unkempt ermine]

how can i change way in a hypertube junction?

[viral tendon]

Press e

[vestal mica]

it doesn't necessarily have to be full blown factory. if you temporarily sloop it and hand drop the required resources in some containers you can quickly produce enough stacks of packaged biofuel to last a long long time

[willow dawn]

Can't sloop yet either 😦

[vestal mica]

some steel ingots (with the alt) some leaves and some water

ah

[willow dawn]

and I don't have that alt

[vestal mica]

well, some plastic then i guess. even without sloops, a temp setup making a few stacks of packaged liquid bio, it will be night and day compared to solid in the jetpack.

[willow dawn]

Well I put down everything except the packer so I might as well

[plush pumice]

i started planning the off-site production of the PCCs but now for some reason Modeler's sending the encased uranium cells to nuke nobelisk production while not sending them through fuel rod production at all for no apparent reason

[quiet gust]

You have to set how much you want to be in nuke nobelisks

[willow dawn]

Lol one of my doggos just found a nuke...

Is there any reason to hang on to it or should I just send it to get tickets?

[hard ivy]

It's a very powerful explosive

[willow dawn]

That much I got... is there something I should be blowing up with it?

[green fiber]

not yourself

[fathom shuttle]

The swamp

[willow dawn]

All great suggestions

[frozen cloud]

its nice for clearing trees

[willow dawn]

I still want those for my biofuel 😛

Ok sink it is

[plush pumice]

i've disconnected nuke nobelisk production and nothing changed
edit: nvm, had to change something in the PCC production

[subtle path]

BRO IM TWEAKING HOW DO YOU KILL THEESE POISON PLANTS

[plush pumice]

bombs

[fathom shuttle]

Not the giant ones tho unfortunately

[subtle path]

god dangit

[frozen cloud]

kaboom

[subtle path]

yeah Nah Ima go and explode these things bro I can't

[tropic juniper]

once you have a gas mask and filters automated the poison is easy

[viral tendon]

Mk 6 belts are ghosting's worst nightmare

[willow dawn]

Ok, considering the extra work liquid biofuel takes over solid and that it only stacks up to 100 instead of 200 I don't think it's actually worth it

It's not double the kj but it half the stack size so not great for the way I use my jetpack

[vestal mica]

curious how you use it. you can fly more than 4 times as far/high before one item runs out

so even a stack of 100 will last more than twice as long as a stack of 200 solid. and you won't run out in midair nearly as often

[willow dawn]

According to info I got I saw 750kj for liquid and 450kj for solid, where do you get the 4x from?

I just tap it while crossing long distances

[vestal mica]

the jetpack is apparently not like fuel generators. speed and burn time dont' seem to correlate purely to the energy value of the fuel

[willow dawn]

Than how can you tell cause I saw it going down about as fast maybe a little less fast than solid

but certainly didn't look like 4x longer...

[vestal mica]

look at the wiki page on the jetpack and go to fuel comparison section

[frail sleet]

liquid is literally over 4x better

solid biofuel is trash made for people who get jetpack via special hog spawn in t1

[tropic juniper]

different fuel types work a lot differently in the jetpack.

One thing to note is that the jetpack works better if you tap to ascend instead of holding ti down. tap the thrust button at the top of your ascent to go further

[willow dawn]

Hmmm well I made two stacks, I'll use them till they run out and see if I feel I want more. Perhaps by that time I will have found a better way

I always tap

[frail sleet]

12s flight time on solid, 53s on liquid

[vestal mica]

if you just hold it down, solid burns out in like 3 seconds. liquid in 12.5. tapping you can maintain horizontal velocity at a fixed altitude for ~53 seconds with liquid. for about 12 with solid

[hard ivy]

Regular fuel and turbofuel are also trash for the jetpack. Only rocket starts to become better than LBF

[willow dawn]

Honestly I had no issues with solid for how I was using it

[plush pumice]

i've manage everything working, but now whenever i connect the water by-product to by-product management the entire system 0-crashes

[willow dawn]

You have all clearly become spoiled with your rocket fuel 😛 not long ago I didn't even have the leg things

[vestal mica]

have fun. if it's not worth it to you, it's not worth it. i personally won't even put on a jetpack without at least liquid. i'd just kill myself by running out of fuel in midair

[hard ivy]

I use LBF basically for the entire game

Best for building

[quiet gust]

Add a water extractors or sulfuric acid producer

Whichever you need

[vestal mica]

lbf is still better than rocket for horizontal movement. rocket can just get you higher if you just want to go up fast

[quiet gust]

It'll fix the system

[willow dawn]

If your health is full you never fully die from falling, I have yet to die onces from falling

[willow dawn]

Why is it best for building?

[lost wagon]

Last longer

[willow dawn]

And the others dont?

[hard ivy]

Second longest burn time after ionized, low vertical acceleration (which means it's stable)

[willow dawn]

higher tier

didn't know higher tier didn't mean higher stats in everything when it comes to the jetpack

[hard ivy]

Tap space and you basically hover

[willow dawn]

This thing is a study onto itself lol

[quiet gust]

Do you need me to show me what I mean

Cause I'm bad at explaining

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch jetpack

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[plush pumice]

replaced the diluted packaged fuel's water source with an extractor and it's working fine now

[quiet gust]

You can input both forms of water as the input it just needs at least one source that's not closed loop

[willow dawn]

Thanks 😂

[plush pumice]

thx mate

[tropic juniper]

Sometimes you can get a jetpack way early game if an enemy spawns with one and you snag it

[spiral summit]

i just realised

the blade runners are a portal reference lmao

[viral tendon]

I just got 2049 blade runners

[tropic juniper]

Long Fall boots negate all fall damage. it's just exoskeleton legs that diminish some fall damage. the only reference it is is bladerunner

portal isn't the first time a game has had fall damage boots

[cyan imp]

Wait what's the difference between normal aluminium ingot and pure aluminium ingot, is there even a loss?

[spice patio]

Pure gives less ingots for same scrap, but doesn't output a byproduct.

IIRC, not sure about the less ingots part.

[cyan imp]

Neither give any byproduct

It's 90 scrap + 75 silica = 60 Ingots

Vs 60 scrap = 30 ingots

Isent that just strictly better?

[spice patio]

Ok, so it was the input of silica that was missing.
And you then need 120 scrap for 60 ingots.

So 30 more scrap, but 75 less silica for same ingots.

[hard ivy]

The fact that I don't know which one you're talking about means it's not

[cyan imp]

Pure aluminium Ingot Vs default aluminium Ingot

[hard ivy]

And I still don't know which one, according to you, is "strictly better"

[cyan imp]

The attitude is not necessary

[white dawn]

Pure gives you fewer ingots per scrap, but you don't have to supply silica

[tropic juniper]

i'd call it subjectively better rather than strictly

[white dawn]

Pure is 50% scrap-efficient; regular is 66%

[hard ivy]

Which is why I don't know why would Agent call one of them "strictly better"

And I still don't know which one it supposedly is

[white dawn]

If bauxite efficiency is your primary concern, you'd want to use the regular recipe, at the cost of quartz

[fathom shuttle]

Quartz isn’t really worth the effort unless you’re really aluminum maxing lol

The default recipe uses a lot of silica

[hard ivy]

Imo it would be if it was like half the quartz

[compact python]

U don’t use windows?

I think I read that out of context

[fathom shuttle]

I can see how it could be a good choice
You can colocate it next to a quartz purification plant which you’ll likely need for diamonds
Use the dissolved silica to get silica for the foundries

But you still won’t have enough silica for all the foundries

[white dawn]

As always, a lot depends on the scale in which you're building

[fathom shuttle]

You need 1.25 silica for each ingot
So for 6k aluminum ingot you’ll need 7500 silica

[white dawn]

Most players, IMO, could completely ignore all resource efficiency considerations in general while building, and still have the majority of the resources on the map still available

For many folks the more important condition is (or at least IMO should be) just what nodes happen to be nearby

This server's somewhat skewed goalwise because we tend to attract folks who like megaprojects

You've really got to try to literally run out of a resource in this game, though. (With the possible exception of SAM, though if you're willing to sloop RSAM construction then even that is unlikely)

[fathom shuttle]

Yes that’s why I’m talking about doing things at scale, if you’re just playing for completion it doesn’t really matter

Just use pure for the simplicity, as I do

[white dawn]

Yeah, Pure's simplicity is indeed quite nice

[south sinew]

sloppy, pure, and electrode aluminium seems clearly superior

[white dawn]

And honestly who's gonna notice a extra 16% efficiency deficit, unless you're really megafactorying it up? :)

[south sinew]

same 1:1 ratio between bauxite and aluminium ingot, but replace 0.5 coal/quartz per ingot with 0.1 oil/ingot

[fathom shuttle]

Yes that’s my natural inclination as well, electrode works better 90% of the time since you can make a lot of coke very easily vs bringing coal from all over the place

[white dawn]

Still, I like building a variety of chains for aluminum. On my 1.0 save, I think I ended up with four different production chains, across six aluminum factories

Using the same recipes over and over is boring. :)

[fathom shuttle]

That seems redundant tho? The bauxite is pretty close to each other with the exception of the nodes in the titan forest and swamp

But you can run a train and grab both of them

[white dawn]

I nearly always just max out a single node and then go tap another when I need to

I dislike overbuilding in the hopes that I end up needing it all

Plus, as I say, then I can take advantage of different production chains and have more fun building the factories

Not to mention more opportunities to build in different parts of the map!

[south sinew]

for synthetic power shard, I'm kinda thinking 50 shards/minute may be overkill but it would be nice to know I have a large number available

just thinking about how to handle the dark matter and I guess you have to mix crystallisation + trap/default to avoid byproduct or having to spend SAM?

[green fiber]

50/min is kinda mad

[fathom shuttle]

You only need 5-10

[south sinew]

depends on how many buildings I'm planning on building per minute ;p but seriously I guess I'll just slap like two ISCs of buffer on it

[fathom shuttle]

Unless you’re building an alien power matrix set up in the future

[white dawn]

Trap is the GOAT for not needing to spend SAM, yeah, but mixing the two to avoid any byproduct would obvs work fine

[naive pendant]

I was seeing mentions of priority mergers working nicely for default Aluminum. Like the byproduct silica needs to be used with extra off site silica without disrupting the byproduct consumption. Seemed fun to play around with.

[south sinew]

just trying to figure out how to make sure that the trap and crystallisation recipes are properly balanced to avoid running out of dark matter

[white dawn]

If you go full Trap you could have some easy Ionized Fuel production; I think if you think of the crystals as "free" then the Ionized Fuel alt ends up being technically net positive powerwise

(or just a handy source of jetpack fuel, of course)

[south sinew]

I'm gonna be looking to set up some ionized fuel production later on for jetpack fuel yeah

but probably as a separate concern

[foggy heart]

how do you guys transfer power between floors in a way that looks nice? is there a way to do it without the power line going straight through the floor? Like a double wall outlet that can go through foundations?

[fathom shuttle]

I feel like all the alien production stuff needs to be in its own factory because basically every recipe has a byproduct that can be used in a different recipe

[white dawn]

The new meta is using the Elevator

[south sinew]

personnel elevator handles that very neatly now

[foggy heart]

Okay lol, dont really need an elevator to up 1x4meter foundation. any other ways?

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, I feel like the devs saw folks like me constantly espousing Independency and went "Well, we'll show those people."

[hard ivy]

You can use single wall outlets on both sides and just clip the cable through them. It should be invisible

[fathom shuttle]

I’m gonna have a really big factory next to my space elevator factory I guess

[subtle path]

Guys how does the sam storage's upload per minute work? is it like 30 item per minute for 1 storage so you can build like 2-3 more of it and get faster upload or its globally means even if you have 100 getting 50 items per minute it'll only get 30 items per minute globally and no more

[frozen cloud]

full trap, prio merger with "fresh" crystals from synthetic DMR, overflow sink and buffer for fluctuations
#math-and-meta message
image is from a year ago so just use a priority merger

[white dawn]

I personally tend to have vertical conveyor lift corridors somewhere on my builds; I'd often run power up those using just wall sockets

[foggy heart]

cant put the wall outlets on the floor tho

[fathom shuttle]

It’s the former

[subtle path]

what

[foggy heart]

ahhh that sounds like an idea

[naive pendant]

@foggy heart If you align power poles in the exact same position “vertically aligned” between floors, a power line connecting them looks pretty clean.

[subtle path]

oh so per storage not global

[fathom shuttle]

You can throw down more uploaders for faster upload speed for that item

[subtle path]

dang thats good

thanks

[white dawn]

Could probably make yourself a foundation blueprint with a good looking floor/ceiling power connection, a la the double wall socket

[fathom shuttle]

Put like 3 of them for concrete

[subtle path]

noted

I gotta go on a mercer sphere hunt now :/

[south sinew]

my goal is to not consume any SAM

which is possible

it just requires balancing the trap/crystal .. finely, it seems

[fathom shuttle]

You need a 100 to max out the research tree, so a good number to aim for is 150 so you don’t need to worry about it in the future

[subtle path]

dang

Im cooked

I gotta find something that can literally make me fly like a flying vehicle for max speed does such a thing exist?

[fathom shuttle]

It’s kind of the worst grind in the game but it’s still fun, I finished it in around 4 hours and gathered a lot of powershards along the way

[south sinew]

Hypercannon

[subtle path]

:>

[subtle path]

hmm

[white dawn]

Fortunately, in addition to spheres, exploration nets you sloops and hard drives and DNA, so it's well worth the expedition anyway. :)

[frozen cloud]

everytime you use crystallization youre deleting dark matter residue
so just overflow sink the crystals

[open pollen]

Jet pack helps

[hard ivy]

Crystallization doesn't take diamonds though

[crude tiger]

hello who wanna join my server its a new one completely from scratch

[south sinew]

That's true, but I'm also saving time crystals/diamonds

[white dawn]

Can always just SCIM or AGS yourself some spheres, of course, if you still don't want to bother

[hard ivy]

#1201555265942724758

[subtle path]

what does sloops do? I have a lot but i have no idea what they do

[subtle path]

noted

[south sinew]

I could use trap exclusively and sink the overflow, but then I'd basically be sinking diamonds

[white dawn]

Research 'em in the MAM and find out!

They're great

[vestal mica]

tony the tiger?

[white dawn]

Although: ||Doubles the output of machines without changing inputs, at the cost of 4x the power, and also literally free power via Alien Power Augmentors||

[frozen cloud]

is it?
i was using sam even with full trap

[white dawn]

Yeah, Trap should let you never have to make your own

[south sinew]

you must have used it as part of something bigger, because by default it's 2 crystals coming in, and 12 residue coming out, so with trap you're positive 2 DMR per synthetic shard

[frozen cloud]

no i had to make my own even with trap

[fathom shuttle]

How? Don’t you lose some dark matter residue during the process

[south sinew]

nope, it's DMR positive (if you use trap only)

[frozen cloud]

it depends on the recipe

[fathom shuttle]

So you make more in the process?

[south sinew]

synthetic power shard has only one

[white dawn]

Hrm, well, it's been awhile, perhaps I'm wrong then. :)

[frozen cloud]

sure but Superposition Oscillator uses more dmr

[south sinew]

sure, but I'm not making Superposition Oscillators here

[open pollen]

What does dmr stand for again?

[hard ivy]

Shards, oscillators, and ai servers can all be DMR positive

[hard ivy]

Dark matter residue

[south sinew]

I'm using oscillators to make AI servers, and that setup is positive even with crystallisation

[fathom shuttle]

Expansion servers are just for space elevator right

[south sinew]

yeah it's a project part

[fathom shuttle]

Do you usually automate it or just hand feed

[south sinew]

I automate my project parts into a box next to the elevator

[frozen cloud]

well you could be making them and using the crystals you overflow from the power shards

[south sinew]

yeah, but I have nothing I want them for

[fathom shuttle]

I think the only project part I’ll automate is the balisitc warp drives

Since it sinks for a lot of point

[hard ivy]

Pasta is needed for singularity cells

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll hand feed the rest, it’s something I need to do since I don’t have enough room to automate magnetic field generators

[fathom shuttle]

Yea i forgot about that

I already planned to automate it but it doesn’t feel like a project part since it makes things needed for non project parts

[white dawn]

Built all the way up to 2km?

[fathom shuttle]

No lol I’m just too lazy ngl

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's a bit strange that Pasta ended up being not just a project part

[fathom shuttle]

And I’ll need to make 15 of them to match the neural quantum processor

That’s 37.5 versatile frameworks

[frozen cloud]

bro im trying to find a picture but ive posted 800 on this server already, fuuuuck

[fathom shuttle]

Maybe I’ll do it if I had room in the motor factory

[latent glade]

I have been looking for someone to pare up with to make a sever with. Does anyone care to do that sort of thing?

[south sinew]

#1201555265942724758

[tropic juniper]

i hope its not like "i need someone to run the server 24/7 for me, and i'll give all the ideas"

[finite garnet]

Hi, I have watch many videos how train signals work. Still it makes no sense what so ever.. When I place a signal and it doesnt work I dont understand why it doesnt, because it should imo.. Then I place another and now it works, but it makes no sense why that should work..

[fathom shuttle]

It’s a little bugged

[finite garnet]

little..

[fathom shuttle]

Are you making a junction?

[grizzled lotus]

regarding lizard pens, should I be leading them to a pen near by base?

[tropic juniper]

signals create blocks. those are the colored sections you see. a signal will be red if there is no path through the next block

[open pollen]

You may want to post in #1038092680493801533 with screenshots to be more specific

[naive pendant]

Tldr: keep watching guides then trying stuff in game and repeating till you get it. Advice here is just poorly formatted guides.

[finite garnet]

posted in screenshot

[south sinew]

ok, I'm dumb

I'll just underclock the trap/crystallisation machines

[finite garnet]

I posted in questions and help channel now 🙂

[foggy heart]

are stators used for anything other than auto wire and motors? wanna know if i can send 100% of them to my auto wire & motor factories or if i should send some to storage

[feral jay]

I'M GOING ON AN ADVENTURE!!!

hops like an excited hobbit

[hard ivy]

Why do people keep asking questions that can be easily answered by the wiki?

!wikisearch stator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=stator

[feral jay]

Because here it's more human, interactive, and provides better context, and the opportunity for followups.

[frozen cloud]

why do people ask question that can easily be answered by
wiki
google
reddit
chatgpt

[hard ivy]

One of these is not like the others

[grizzled lotus]

I trapped a lizard in a pen with railings, and it got out

[late void]

Not to be that guy but that question itself can be answered by wiki

[frozen cloud]

🚨 doggo breach doggo breach🚨

[tropic juniper]

i just tested, chatgpt seems to have accurate knowledge of satisfactory. thye've probably scraped the wiki and converted it to some sort of RAG format

[reef basin]

eh, rarely useful. just use tools designed for that instead of word generators

(not to mention how confidently wrong it often is)

[tropic juniper]

it answered the question i pasted into it fine. lol

[reef basin]

I've seen it be wrong so often it's not even close

[tropic juniper]

speaking of being confidentally wrong lol. just fact check instead of blindly taking it's advice. same way you'd treat advice from people here

in before it's killing the environment

[hard ivy]

1 out of 1 satisfactory related answers from chatgpy I've seen had a mistake in it

[tropic juniper]

sample size of 1 problem

layer 8

[grizzled lotus]

how do I stop doggos from exiting a pen?

do railings not work?

[reef basin]

if you're fact checking it, why not use the thing you're using to fact check directly?

if you're gonna anyway look onto wiki or third-party tool to see something, just go there in the first place

[tropic juniper]

faster to get pointed in the right direction instead of hunting blindly.

which leads us back to the original question. why people ask before looking at the wiki

[reef basin]

I've very rarely seen it "pointing to the right direction"

[tropic juniper]

you don't seem to use it often and probably use it poorly. calculators will also give the wrong answer if you don't follow the input rules like bedmas

[reef basin]

from like 20-30 times I've used it, only once it actually gave correct answer, and that was after me asking it if it's right, that I've seen different numbers

I've literally just asked it to list recipes that need screws, it listed 8, 4 of which didn't exist, remaining 4 had wrong numbers and/or items

[peak wasp]

So minecrafft logic for gravity?

[tropic juniper]

layer 8 moment ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[peak wasp]

will jumping from high places into water kill me?

[hard ivy]

if the water is actual water, no

[peak wasp]

blue crater

[reef basin]

trust me, it's not a problem between keyboard and chair

95% of people are using AI for things it isn't designed for

[tropic juniper]

i wont trust a random person who is shouting about how bad ai is. i've lived through this with every tech boom before

"the web is just a fad"

[peak wasp]

I am trying to build over the void space in blue crater to set up platforms for nuclear power

[coarse epoch]

yeah AI has never answered my satisfactory questions at all correctly

[reef basin]

so you trust a word generator and not people that have used said word generator and know how bad it is...
great

[frozen cloud]

well lets ask chatgpt the originally asked question "are stators used for anything other than auto wire and motors?"
Summary:

Mainly used in: Motors and Automated Wiring

Occasionally used in: Alternate recipes, Turbo Motors, and indirectly in other high-tier items.

it seems to have forgotten Electromagnetic Control Rod 🤷

[reef basin]

ask it to list the recipes and rates and have fun finding how many numbers and items are actually correct

[south sinew]

damn, ballistic warp drive really requires a lot of dark matter residue

[tropic juniper]

when i asked it told me EM control rods

[south sinew]

that's why you don't ask ChatGPT stuff if you actually care about the answer being correct

[reef basin]

I asked it the same way and it confidently told me that

⚠️ Not used for Auto Wire
Auto Wire is made from copper sheets and caterium wire, and does not use stators.

[south sinew]

quietly ignoring all the tech hype that turned into total duds, like blockchain, and the dotcom bubble, and the metaverse, and the many other failed attempts at VR, and plenty others

[tropic juniper]

Every field has failures and every field has successes. AI will be no different.

VR , dotcom, blockchain, all are still ongoing. Metaverse is an inevitability as more and more information is made semantic.

Metaverse has been a concept long before zuckerberg got involved

and blockchains are just merkle trees solving teh double spend problem for digital tokens

[south sinew]

I don't disagree that AI has some successes, but there's a huge difference between "some successes" and "er mah gerd AGI" you get from enthusiasts right now

[tropic juniper]

you disregarded the biggest failure but its okay, everybody forgets about 3d tv

[south sinew]

just like there's a huge difference between "some dotcom businesses worked out" and "er mah gerd dotcom bubble"

[tropic juniper]

I think Amazon taking over Walmart proved that the dotcom boom wasn't a bubble.

[peak wasp]

working on getting super computers

[frozen cloud]

what am i reading

[feral jay]

Which dotcom boom? I've seen three now...

[grizzled lotus]

battle of the boomers

[tropic juniper]

spoken like a true zoomer. i'm a millenial

aka Gen Why?

[feral jay]

To a lot of yung'ins, anyone older then them is automatically a boomer

(yes I used that term deliberately)

[tropic juniper]

The important thing is that i had an onion on my belt

which was the style at the time

they didn't have white onions because of the war

you could only get those big yellow ones

[feral jay]

I used to be with it

Now I don't know what "it" is anymore

Sweet, enough sloops to sloop my entire biofuel plant

Finally

Soon I will be awash in ridoncoulous amounts of liquid biofuel

[leaden ether]

I just noticed that there is a tiny doggo that goes around the middle belt of the main screen background graphics.

[shy mulch]

I'm an older millennial, my dad is very much a boomer, he thinks millennial means a kid, he can't comprehend that millennials are 30-45 years old now

[feral jay]

Technically I'm a Xennial

Born 1979

[leaden ether]

Uh, 15 to 25 years old I guess...

[shy mulch]

I'm an 84, just a baby by comparison

[feral jay]

Either way, we're both solidly middle aged...

That's scary

[shy mulch]

Oh I'm way past middle age. There's people in the ground healthier than me

[tropic juniper]

my 80 year old dad still thinks i'm a teenager at times. but that might just be the vascular dimentia

[feral jay]

Heh I have more energy that some people half my age, I can still do wilderness trips carrying a hundred pounds and a canoe on my back and sleep on bare rock

The secret is lots of yoga and pilates and paying people for professional advice on how to stay that way

[shy mulch]

I take a break half way up the stairs

[tropic juniper]

when you realise that the original matrix is half of your age. 💀

[feral jay]

Well and I suppose eating healthy

[shy mulch]

Fun fact: The Matrix was the first DVD I ever bought

[hard ivy]

meanwhile, matrix is older than me and I've never bought a DVD (though I've watched plenty)

[feral jay]

hrm it would be nice to label the tube junctions so instead of "Press E to cycle direction" it was "Press E for Biofuel Plant" or something like that

[hard ivy]

it would be even better if they responded to directional keys

you can put signs over them as labels if you want

[shy mulch]

How exactly does the default direction get decided

[hard ivy]

"left" is what I've heard

but haven't confirmed it myself
I use launchers so I haven't built many junctions

[shy mulch]

That does fit with what I've seen

[hard ivy]

you can probably flip it upside down if you want right to be the default

[shy mulch]

That won't work for the thing I've set up unfortunately

[hard ivy]

I don't see how rotating it 180* changes anything

unless you're using a branch, not a junction

then I'm assuming straight is default

[onyx knot]

GUYS

[feral jay]

GUYS

[onyx knot]

Pioneers have googly eyes

[feral jay]

The pioneer is a woman

[onyx knot]

YOOOO

[feral jay]

This is long established

[onyx knot]

what when?

[hard ivy]

2019

[feral jay]

Since like update 2 or so?

[onyx knot]

idk havent been there at that time

[hard ivy]

2? not the very beginning?

[feral jay]

Not sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/uv2q66/this_is_the_story_of_pioneer_becky_full_video/

[onyx knot]

becky?

factory manager ahh name

[feral jay]

Yeah it was some fan fiction someone did a while back, it's great

[hybrid hinge]

Hey guys, can anyone hop on my map to help me out with some trains?

[onyx knot]

Satisfactory, destroying planet(s) (infinite numbers of Massage 2A(B)) since 2019

aw man no factory cart gif 😦

[haughty flax]

Does anyone have experience with diluted packaged fuel, into a packager to be stripped out and fed to gas gens? Am i correct in understanding i could just loop the canisters back through again and then not need to make new ones?

[hard ivy]

yes, the canisters are returned fully. they can just be put back in

I recommend making individial loops containing 1 packager, 1 refinery and 1 unpackager

do not merge canisters from multiple packagers onto 1 belt

[haughty flax]

Why is that?

[onyx knot]

my brain does not like this

[hard ivy]

it's way more work for no benefit

[unkempt blade]

aww c'mon live a little 😄

the big loop looks so much more impressive!

[hard ivy]

have fun making several times more canisters

[haughty flax]

Haha, well im nearly done but i have 480/min loops

[hard ivy]

because individual loops only require <20 canisters each

[unkempt blade]

I've got time, it's not like I'll run out of oil!

[haughty flax]

I will have 1 pure oil node feeding 80 gas gens for 60GW of power when im done

But this is my first playthrough and first step up from coal so im certain ive done things inefficiently

[unkempt blade]

yeah but did you have fun efficiently? that's what matters

[haughty flax]

Haha yeah true

I was about to set up 1140 steel per min until i realized i shouldnt be sinking the empty canisters when i can just reuse them

[wicked nacelle]

is instant scrap better than base recipe if you don't have enough silica to process it? like normal recipe gives you some silica and you process the rest by pure aluminum. Is it better to do instant scrap and do all pure aluminum? In terms of bauxite efficiency

[tropic juniper]

my pioneer identifies as a man tyvm. gender is a social construct

they're my avatar so i decide

[hard ivy]

all 3 defaults, instant scrap + pure ingot, and sloppy + electrode + pure all have equal bauxite efficiency - 1:1

[wicked nacelle]

do you know offhand what base recipe is with using produced/waste silica for foundry processing and then overflow scrap to pure?

[hard ivy]

worse

[wicked nacelle]

ok

[grizzled lotus]

if I have a splitter feeding two constructors, and I underclock one of the constructors, will more material be pushed into the other constructor?

[wicked nacelle]

depends -- it might, it might not. Depends on the rate it wants vs the rate it's provided. If you're able to fully supply both then yes, on a manifold it will. if supply is less than what two slow ones can eat, then it will be the same

[hard ivy]

default alumina, default scrap + a mix of default and pure ingot with net 0 silica is a 6:5 ratio

[wicked nacelle]

thank you

[grizzled lotus]

that's kind of what I'm asking about. so if one ends up clogged the excess will go to the other constructor

[feral jay]

Splitters are pretty dumb, they split 50/50 or 33/33/33 depending on whether there's two or three outputs connected, they don't give a whit about what's connected further down the line

[feral jay]

yes

[haughty flax]

1 pure oil node producing at 600/min crude
refined into 800/min heavy oil residue
refined by 27 refineries into 1600/min packaged fuel
unpackaged and fed into 80 gas gens
producing 60GW of power

previously was only running off 1.5GW of power, i should be good for a little bit right?

[wicked nacelle]

manifolds reach an equilibrium if there is sufficient supply to do so - I was speaking about post-equilibrium. You are right, a splitter doesn't see how much could be used later and do "smart math" or anything. it just ends up that way

[unkempt blade]

that's if all outgoing conveyors are equal tier, you can mess with it a little using different tier conveyors

[feral jay]

As long as the conneted output belts have enough capacity, it's evenly split

[wicked nacelle]

not once you fill up the first constructor it's connected to. It will TRY to do it equally and fail and then send more down the other line if possible

[shy mulch]

Because it works the way I want it to one way, but I want it to work like that both directions

[feral jay]

If there isn't enough room on one of the output belts, then stuff gets equally split among the remaining belts, whether that's due to belt tier being lower or belts being saturated

[hard ivy]

that's regardless of the belts connected. the slower belt just saturates before the faster

[feral jay]

Basically, 1) Distribute to all belts equally. 2) If one belt is full, distribute to remaining belts equally. 3) see #2.

[wicked nacelle]

manifolds are magic that way. given enough time it will basically "figure out" the right amount to send to each. Just be careful not to sink intermediary products. Even if you put a train or drone in the middle of the process, it still eventually figures it out if there is a surplus

sinking intermediary products can stop a system from reaching an equilibrium -- or at least the one that you probably really wanted.

also, storing bunches of stuff in containers (especially multiple industrial ones) can drastically increase the time for a system to reach equilibrium -- including when you didn't realize you no longer have enough supply.. it can be an hour or two before things sputter out and then you've forgotten about it and moved on and it bites you a long time later

[feral jay]

Fluid storages have the exact same problem, despite so many people thinking they're the solution

[wicked nacelle]

yeah other than train stations never use fluid buffers and I never ship liquid liquids, only packaged gases. containers can be useful elsewhere but many people overuse them

[vernal kelp]

good day

just came here to cry a lil

[shy mulch]

crying is healthy

[feral jay]

Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about!

[vernal kelp]

it took me a whole day to make a separate factory to make oil production, but for that i needed LITERALLY EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK (especially for motors)

it's been 50 hours into my save 🙂

[shy mulch]

sounds like you've made some progress

[feral jay]

I'd say so

That's pretty good for 50 hours

[vernal kelp]

actually exclude like 4h of this day because all that time i invested in collecting biomass for my power

just to make it run for like 2 days

while i'm working on oil power

[grizzled lotus]

I don't understand what this means

[vernal kelp]

so you could say it took me like 8 hours just to get to motors

including finding the ores, setting them up and finding slugs to speed all of that up

also i managed to turn 2 lines of iron ore into 8 lines of smelting and that into 16 for production of rotors and reinforced plates

[errant valve]

if you struggle with power (collecting biomass), slugs is the last thing you want. Usually the power demand increase is not linear to product increase. Also, there is coal power as stepping stone between biomass and oil power.

[dusk moon]

why is a fully power sharded impure node only doing 75/min shouldnt it be doing 150/min im in the desert

[viral tendon]

Sweet, ficsit blueprints mk 3 done, now i can make a shit load of containers in one blueprint for zero reason

[leaden ether]

Sounds like you have a Mk1 miner on the node instead of Mk2?

[dusk moon]

oh yeah

makes sense

[leaden ether]

(Stupid capslock)

[viral tendon]

May i ask what does desert change in this situation

[dusk moon]

i dont know might of been sandy or some shit

[viral tendon]

48 x 48 x 48 is crazy big

Holy shit turbo eletctric motor is so peak

It uses motor, motor, and stator in electrorod

Motor and rotor

Not motor and motor

[haughty flax]

i have 8 fully sharded refineries being fed 600/min of crude, consuming 75/min each, but for some reason i just cant get all of the active at the same time, a lot are just waiting for oil even though i should have enough. i have the pipe sufficiently pumped vertically, and i have the line of refineries being fed oil from both ends, any ideas?

[feral jay]

You're attempting to feed an average of 600/min. Those pipes have a maximum of 600, therefore the avergae will be less than 600 if there is any fluctuation at all.

And because refineries "gulp" oil, there are always fluctuations in flow rate

[haughty flax]

hmm, so split them up and oversupply crude to each section should work

[feral jay]

Loop the back end of the refinery manifold back to the front

That's what I usually do

[haughty flax]

im not sure i understand what you mean by that

[feral jay]

Oh, I'm assuming they're all fed from a single pipe manifold

[haughty flax]

yeah

[feral jay]

So at the end of that manifold, loop the pipe back to the beginning

In a single, unbroken pipe

[haughty flax]

ah i see, that's already done, but it makes sense im trying to average their max

i have another nearby oil deposit i can pull from, split these into 4 refinery lines each

[feral jay]

That's usually what the problem is

[hollow hemlock]

im downloading mods what should i use

[leaden ether]

Whether fluids or items. If you feed /exactly/ what the machines need you are likely going to have machines starving on and off as their fluid/' item buffers will never completely fill. If you prefill all the buffers. hen they'll run smooth. But personally I do not 100% trust the long term accuracy of either belts or pipes in this game so I always over provision on raw resources.

[feral jay]

Either that or there's a wee little secion of Mk.1 pipe you missed, if you upgraded from that

[feral jay]

This is one of mine, that's a 600/min pipe manifold with all the machines running at 100% #screenshots message

Actually in that screenshot it's 90%, but that's because two of the downstream fuel gens are shut off

[wicked nacelle]

Say you were splitting an iron node between making plates and rods to make reinforced plates and you sink excess rods then that cuts your plate production because rods keep getting build which causes more rods to not be used and sunk. If you don’t sink excess than more iron will go to plates and it will reach equilibrium. You can sink extra ingots because you haven’t split your production yet.

Manifolding doesn’t work if you sink intermediary products. You can sink before splitting or after merging back together just not in the middle.

[foggy heart]

with regards to pipes and pumps, I only need a pump if my headlift exceeds x amount, right? I dont need a pump if pipe is extremely long but at roughly the same height as the extractor, right?

[wicked nacelle]

And it can go down and back to original height as much as you want. There is no loss of head lift from pipes

[feral jay]

Correct, the only thing pumps affect is how high fluids will go

[foggy heart]

awesome thanks

[feral jay]

That and they are one-way

[wicked nacelle]

It restricts backwards flow too even without power.

[feral jay]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

Though I’m not sure if an unpowered pump is exactly identical to a fully open valve or not.

[feral jay]

An unpowered pump sets headlift to zero, a valve doesn't. That's the major difference.

[fathom shuttle]

Wait so you can in theory have a a single pump that provides headlift to all your pipes worldwide and use valves to make them functionally separate

[feral jay]

Well yeah, theoretically. But building a pipe network that huge will be... troublesome.

Plus, a pipe can only contain one kind of fluid

[fluid sapphire]

quick question about an unloading train: i can see there are two options - stay until one unload has been completed OR until freight wagon is fully unloaded. what is "one unload" here? can i have a train stop long enough to unload until the station is full, even if the wagon still has product left over?

also as i understand it, the station itself wont unload while it is being loaded, correct?

[feral jay]

Yes, set it to wait until fully unloaded AND wait for N seconds

Otherwise it'll drive off after N seconds even if it's not fully unloaded

[fluid sapphire]

im not sure i follow, expected behavior for me is that not all product fits into the station basically

[feral jay]

It will wait until it can, and then unload

I haven't reached trains this playtrhough yet though, so I'm a wee bit rusty with them

[finite sorrel]

s there a way to completely clear the map of all structures without restarting the game?

[fluid sapphire]

all belts connected to the freight platform stop working while the platform is being loaded. this would mean the train would wait there forever

[feral jay]

SCIM is the only way I know of

[fluid sapphire]

yes, i actually did a soft reset of sorts before the 1.1 patch by deleting almost everything with SCIM

[feral jay]

Ah, the station only actually pauses while the animation plays. What will happen, afaik, is that the train will wait at the station until there is enough room to fully unload, during which time it won't block output. When there is enough room to fully unload, then the animation begins, and for that brief period, output is blocked, but not the entire time a train is waiting.

I'd need to confirm that though

[oblique aspen]

the train definitely doesnt block infinitely, that would entirely defeat the purpose of the "wait until full" options or such, as said above it'll only block during the actual animation for a fixed amount of time

[fluid sapphire]

hmm, im not sure how to reliably achieve what i want then

[feral jay]

Beat the train into submission

[buoyant vapor]

they should really let people make threads in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553257340108013568

and https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[fluid sapphire]

why

[buoyant vapor]

... to comment on the post?

[fluid sapphire]

ah. i mean fair enough

[buoyant vapor]

we are supposed to be feed information and only talk about it in emojis

defeats the point of social media

[wicked nacelle]

all conversation would move. People go towards channels/threads/whatever with the lowest effort and that defeats the point of not allowing screenshots on the main channel]

[wicked nacelle]

what are you trying to achieve?

[buoyant vapor]

i mean the alternative is just linking or forwarding the post 🤷‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

basically i want to ship 15 plastic per minute by train, halway across the map xd

[feral jay]

yep I just post in #screenshots and link the post here

[fluid sapphire]

or ship HMF to somewhere

[wicked nacelle]

just fill the source station with 15/m and you're done

[buoyant vapor]

#screenshots message wow cool build!

now just with 80 other people interrupting the current general conversation

[wicked nacelle]

60/m / 2 / 2 = 15/m

[buoyant vapor]

and it gets chaotic

[reef basin]

I mean #screenshots is just for showing off, there shouldn't be much need for commenting

[flint grail]

Question. Do path signals work with only self driving trains?

[wicked nacelle]

yes make sure to look both ways. It's impossible for the path signal to predict which way you'll go, obviously

[reef basin]

yeah (as it can't know where you're going)

[flint grail]

Mk, so what happens if I enter the interlocking?

[wicked nacelle]

you'll get tboned

[flint grail]

Mk, so we have to yield to other trains approaching

[wicked nacelle]

or... just hit the gas and pray

[flint grail]

Fair, but once we enter the block, we should be good?

[wicked nacelle]

?

[flint grail]

Enter the next block*

[wicked nacelle]

once you're in a block signal area then you're good

[flint grail]

Mk

[wicked nacelle]

maybe... not sure how the "exit block of a path block must be open" logic works when it's already reserved/committed and then the exit block goes red.

[feral jay]

There is no "reserved/commited", only "empty/occupied"

At least, after the block signal at the exit

[wicked nacelle]

what happens when a self driving train enters a path block with a green intersection after it and then the light goes red.

[feral jay]

That path is then occupied

Any train wanting to use that path will be stoped

[grizzled lotus]

tips on making use of steel considering how few coal nodes are?

I managed to get steel beams and steel pipes, but now there's also automated wiring and encased industrial beams. I don't know whether to put coal into power or into advanced steel stuff

[wicked nacelle]

There's LOTS of coal on the map - you don't have to make a choice

you do however have to expand

[flint grail]

Map is big, use trucks and/or trains if you don't want to run belts everywhere

[undone yarrow]

Alternatively: Alt hunt so you can direct your coal to beams for just the space elevator parts and improve per unit output with stuff like solid steel or just dodge steel as much as possible with iron pipe and encased pipes

[wicked nacelle]

There's not "few coal nodes"

there is 42,300 / min of coal on the map

[undone yarrow]

(technically with the later aluminum beam alt and iron pipe, steel becomes entirely optional

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

the only things more common are iron and limestone

[grizzled lotus]

guess I'll try to tackle it. the problem may be distance since I only have some coal nodes near to me

[foggy heart]

#screenshots when do I unlock something better than coal power?

[wicked nacelle]

the map is designed so nowhere is perfect to do everything

[grizzled lotus]

trains are still a bit far at the moment, but I can unlock trucks although I'm not a fan

[wicked nacelle]

next elevator tier is oil - so you get fuel generators

[wicked nacelle]

I highly suggest just running some long belts until you get trains

[foggy heart]

ah nice

[wicked nacelle]

if you have blueprints unlocked you can use autoconnect to pull multiple belts at a time

and of course once you unlock faster miners, overclocking, and faster belts (if it's slower than your miner) then that improves how much you get from any resource node

[foggy heart]

do death crates stay on the map if not collected? like between game restarts and stuff

[wicked nacelle]

they do sometimes spawn in inaccessible places though. So you may need to load it in scim and either move the death crate out of the center of the planet or just ... scim yourself the stuff and delete it

they may have fixed that -- I'm not sure.

[foggy heart]

gotcha thanks. i killed one of my friends by accident (he was offline) and wasnt really bothered to move his stuff into a storage crate lol.

I ended up doing the right thing and moing his stuff to storage box anyway

[wicked nacelle]

if there are players that don't come back or that are offline with valuables like sloops then yeah shooting them in the face is the best choice

[lavish burrow]

I'd argue the groin is better, but...

[lavish burrow]

I'm going to vouch for the validity of trucks as a transport method.

[foggy heart]

xDD He was supposed to come online so I loaded him with nobelisks as a surprise for when he joined. He ended up not coming online and I completely forgot about the 10 sticks on his face/chest/arms/legs,

I went exploring and blew up a few rocks, and saw his death crate when i got back to base lmao

[wicked nacelle]

Sure you CAN use them but it's a huge waste of time when the better options are coming soon

[lavish burrow]

They have a learning curve, but they actually fill several niches that neither trains or drones do.

[wicked nacelle]

like what?

[lavish burrow]

Essentially, their strongest advantage is that they have both high throughput (unlike drones) and don't require rails to be laid.

So they excel in situations where extending a rail network to a remote location is not practical.

I find that treating each of the transport options in a similar way to road hierachy works very well.

[wicked nacelle]

not laying rails is WORSE because you can't reuse the work you put in. Whereas once you put down rail you can use it for basically any number of trains for free

[lavish burrow]

Yes, but there are some things that you may want but have no reason to reuse those rails for.

[ivory condor]

What do you mean you can reuse the work you put in

[lavish burrow]

Different trains running on the same railways.

If you connect two biomes with a two-way rail, you can reuse that same track for new trains. Etc.

[wicked nacelle]

you can fully connect a factory addition just by laying rail from where you already have it to your expansion. You then have full connectivity to everything else you've connected by rail

basically you put down 1km of rail and you have access to everything on your other, say 10km of rail

next time you lay 1km of rail you get access to 11km of existing railway... etc forever

[lavish burrow]

Okay, but you're missing my point.

There are some cases where you are never going to concievably use that segment of rail.

Here's the secret to make trucks work: the map has roads all over it that are just natural terrain.

Truck stations also are less bulky than train stations. I've done things like gather local mining nodes with trucks to take to a train station for longer distance transport.

[wicked nacelle]

those natural roads are great for train tracks and belts. Honestly I don't find any need for anything in the middle ever. It's either close enough for belts or it needs a train for high volume or drone for low volume.

I think you have to have a belt phobia to think trucks are a solution 🙂 and some people do

[lavish burrow]

Do you seriously need to justify the fact that my opinion differs with that sort of nonsense?

[wicked nacelle]

you can have fun playing the game however you like, but I think for most people they wouldn't enjoy the mechanics of it and it's worth just waiting for trains