satisfactory

[subtle path]

[buoyant vapor]

ive been using short walls thinking they were atleast half the resources as the big wall but they arent

[jaunty jewel]

dont worry about it :)

[unkempt blade]

I agree, big walls should be more expensive to keep things fair

[leaden ether]

FOr a long time I was making platforms by using thick platforms around the edges for looks then thin ones in the middle to save costs... till I relised that they all cost the same amount -.-

[subtle path]

should be easy of a fix, slap 1-2 more coal power lmao

now all of my sub-facotries with iron, coal, limestone and coal power systems are working it is only using 70mw total

[jaunty jewel]

oh your so innocent, youll learn eventually

[subtle path]

now I can finally run bigger factories, assemblers

[buoyant vapor]

or small walls cheaper but yeah

[prisma forge]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW

[pulsar bobcat]

do u route your plastic and rubber from there to factories that need it?

[subtle path]

indeed

[wicked nacelle]

I always train that out - usually end up with 4 stations each for plastic/rubber to sustain the throughput I need

[subtle path]

oh no why is one of my coal power goes on and off

thats not good

[wicked nacelle]

running out of water or coal

[prisma forge]

I'm still trying to decide where to build my aluminum factory. Pink forest or ship everything to that waterfall and build it there?

[pulsar bobcat]

either water flow rate is not enough or your coal isnt enough

[subtle path]

yeah gotta check

[unkempt blade]

yeah, I have a railroad running straight along that coast

some of it gets used locally

[pulsar bobcat]

one water extractor can only be connected to a little more than 2 coal generators

[wicked nacelle]

remember, your pipe can only move 300/m at any one spot so if you hooked up 3 extractors to one pipe you don't get 360 just 300

[subtle path]

oh no its water

[leaden ether]

Inside the pink forest there is no real usable water so you kind of have to build it along the edge somewhere to get a lot of water for it. I did one overhanging the lake at the south eastern edge and I did another build over the top of one of the craters in the crater lakes area. (Then shamefully belted the bauxite from all over to them -.-)

[subtle path]

I got 3 coal power connected to 1 pipe system, 1 coal uses 45 m^3 water so I thought 1 pipe would be enough for 3

[wicked nacelle]

what is 45*3?

[subtle path]

135?

[wicked nacelle]

seems like it might be more than 120. so how many extractors do you have feeding it?

[subtle path]

that's water also but coal is 15 per min

I may know why

lemme try something

[wicked nacelle]

if you only have 1 extractor that's only 120 water so one will be flickering

[subtle path]

oh dang 1 extractor can only do 120 max? I thought it was 600

[pulsar bobcat]

also do any of u have like a notebook or something that u use to keep track of the production in the game?

[subtle path]

well that explains it

[wicked nacelle]

fully overlcocked extractor only does 300

[prisma forge]

In my first save, I built it right next to my oil powerplants in the southern coast. I'm thinking about building it in the waterfall now due to the huge amount of water nearby, it would help building a megafactory in the swamps since I can just bring the resources down there and also it would have a cool view

[wicked nacelle]

and you can't overclock yet

[subtle path]

is overclocking good? I can overclock 1 i think

got 1 shard

[unkempt blade]

I always do 8:3 for coal and just clock down one of the water extractors

[molten lion]

guys, whats ppl usually use for combat? my basher aint cutting it anymore?

[pulsar bobcat]

its good for min maxing but it consumes a lot of power

[subtle path]

noted

[pulsar bobcat]

gun

[subtle path]

I can connect 2 extractors into 1 pipe system right?

[pulsar bobcat]

yes

[unkempt blade]

I just hit stuff with the explorer

[subtle path]

good

now lets see

[prisma forge]

May I introduce you to: Black powder.
Also known as gunpowder.

[pulsar bobcat]

ik but my car might get flipped

[molten lion]

the rebar one?

[pulsar bobcat]

one of my explorers has already gone down the void 💀

[pulsar bobcat]

the gunpowder one

rifle

[remote wasp]

for some reason every other time I launch satisfactory, it crashes my computer

[molten lion]

ooh, imma work to unlock it then, I saw it in the research thing but didnt seem worth it ty

[wicked nacelle]

overclocking is eventually VERY good. but don't do that now. it makes everything less power efficient. just build more extractors

[pulsar bobcat]

it is really good and a major upgrade to the rebar gun

mainly the fact that it is full-auto

[late heart]

What are the highlights of progressing to phase 3, what are the goodies it unlocks?

[unkempt blade]

every time I try to do work mine crashes VSCode and launches Satisfactory so I feel your pain

[pulsar bobcat]

trains and pains

and also fuel

[tropic juniper]

if the whole computer is coming down, make sure your audio and video drivers are up to date

[wicked nacelle]

is that jetpack?

[prisma forge]

I am tempted to buy and play factorio, but I keep telling myself I really shouldn't since I need to keep money

[tropic juniper]

you're in the wrong place to get talked out of it friend

[wicked nacelle]

but everything until hoverpack is just tutorial 🙂

[pulsar bobcat]

yes i think

[wicked nacelle]

jetpack is when it's time to really go exploring and amass collectibles - massively more efficient

[remote wasp]

is there a way to change the direction of a conveyor lift when using the lift holes?

[late heart]

Ahh it is

[wicked nacelle]

you have to build them in the right order

[pulsar bobcat]

build mode: reversed

[wicked nacelle]

oh?

[remote wasp]

oh sick

[wicked nacelle]

is that r?

[tropic juniper]

r. but also, it has to match the other side of the hole so if that exists you cant change it

[pulsar bobcat]

yea

[unkempt blade]

or... if you sold bone marrow you could do both AND help save someone's life

[late heart]

Today I finished both B1 and F3 of my factory, tomorrow I'll need to do some more work on F1 for mass cable and more wires and finish F4. I also doubled my factory production, I'm currently generating 10 modular frames a minute and 10 smart chips a minute. I also doubled my power output

Might place cables on F2 actually

[wicked nacelle]

what are these b and f numbers?

[prisma forge]

wtf does any of that mean

[pulsar bobcat]

what are these letter number combos

[late heart]

Basement and floor numbers

[wicked nacelle]

????

those are kinda worthless to share with people

[mortal ginkgo]

not anymore, since you guys know now 😛

[wicked nacelle]

we don't know what they have in them 😛

[pulsar bobcat]

yea i mean, share your progress sure but we dont need details

[unkempt blade]

I support your floor designations but you probably should leave F13 empty or it'll get cursed

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys cmon, for some people, discord is a personal tumbler blog 😛

[tropic juniper]

basement 1, floor 3. standard architecture nomenclanture

[wicked nacelle]

I suppose, but completely meaningless. 10 heavy frames/m is meaningful

[tropic juniper]

i knew already because i live in the world outside of satisfactory

[mortal ginkgo]

He is making them in F69

[late heart]

shrug helps for myself, but my floors are also organized. F1 takes in iron ingot and turns it into parts, F2 uses the parts from F1 to make stuff, F3 uses the parts from F2, B1 is steel production and B2 is copper production

[wicked nacelle]

I'll f69 something

[late heart]

I'll f4

[pulsar bobcat]

and where in the map are u doing all this?

[viral tendon]

We need train lifting platform

[mortal ginkgo]

Not really.

[tropic juniper]

ever been in an elevator looking at the panel thinking "well those numbers are all just meaningless"

[viral tendon]

It will lift your train and that's literally in the name

[wicked nacelle]

that would be f'n awesome

[late heart]

Green forest biome, right off the side of the cliff with the 4 pure iron deposits

[unkempt blade]

I should be able to drive a train over a jumppad like I do with factory carts

[mortal ginkgo]

train jumppads could be cool

[wicked nacelle]

a train elevator would be really cool. I have helixes but it would be fun to have other options

[mortal ginkgo]

boing a 20 freight train casually

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

I hope we get truck elevators but not train ones so the entire community goes into rage mod

[unkempt blade]

nah I compulsively read the directory in the lobby when I walk in

[wicked nacelle]

well that MIGHT make trucks slightly useful

[potent siren]

nah I believe in belt supremacy

[mortal ginkgo]

I got the feeling this won't ever happen because we got conveyor lifts that do the job pretty fine.

mk6 belt x2 is a huge transfer/min number

[tropic juniper]

those numbers are just meaningless too

[wicked nacelle]

sure. but it could look awesome and be a fun alternative. Absolutely - belts are actually the only no-performance-compromise option.

they don't take power, they don't have any downtime. They just take time to run

they don't need pumps to go up hills

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah but I would prefer a portal for trains and trucks like we have at late game. now THAT would be cool.

[tropic juniper]

trucks should show the pioneer riding on it like the tractor does

[wicked nacelle]

I wish there was more "game breaking" late game stuff

I want orbital laser strikes, too, to clear out large areas

[mortal ginkgo]

I guess we could have that if we ever have a DLC about end game

[late heart]

I wish they had dimensional depots that were cheaper

[unkempt blade]

I haven't tried to do it recently but there used to be ways to mess with train tracks in the interactive map tool that would teleport it across the map basically

[wicked nacelle]

I'd buy that.

[mortal ginkgo]

exploiting meteors for infinite amount of resources could be nice too.

[late heart]

And smaller

[mortal ginkgo]

ah makes sense

[wicked nacelle]

interesting

[wicked nacelle]

we already have infinite resources

[late heart]

Not really

[tropic juniper]

i'd like artillery shells

[late heart]

We just have a lot of resources

[tropic juniper]

orbital strikes are boring cause you don't get to see the fireing platform

[mortal ginkgo]

we are limited by output, so it is in quote "infinite"

[wicked nacelle]

any number of a thing you want to have you can have

we don't have infinite rate, you are right

[late heart]

I want 2 billion iron per minute

[wicked nacelle]

I'll show you where we can put 2 billion iron per minute 😛

in... a billion constructors 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

I just wish we had snow biome...

[viral tendon]

I wish there was input target rate

I want kmy fucking non fissile uranium to get 80 uranium waste per minute

I don't want fucking 80.018

[unkempt blade]

I want the same numbers of resources but I want a shuffle mode when I start the game so it puts them all randomly in different spots than normal

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a mod for that

[viral tendon]

Best you can od is 80.007

[tropic juniper]

dr evil moment

[unkempt blade]

well I guess I know what I'm doing for the next ~800hr...

[mortal ginkgo]

pls no brother, have mercy on yourself

[unkempt blade]

I'll see you all in august

[mortal ginkgo]

and I hope you get uranium deposit in your starter area

[late heart]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

Ahh so that's why you're so... Special.

[pulsar bobcat]

my favourite mod is the one that turns all nodes pure 😈 (i dont use it tho)

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need mod for that. we call it "rocky desert starter area" kek

[subtle path]

Guys what's the picture mode?

[mortal ginkgo]

I chose that area because other streamers I watched didn't so I was curious.

[wicked nacelle]

mode for pictures

[mortal ginkgo]

And boy, it got pure nods alright

[subtle path]

yeah where it is?

[viral tendon]

What is rocky desert

[pulsar bobcat]

on your p key

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Photo_Mode

[subtle path]

thanks

[late heart]

Yeah mine's one too

[timber shoal]

how do I prevent flow rate from dropping significantly when splitting pipes?

[late heart]

Just harmless teasing

[tropic juniper]

well, i mean, one pipe now has to feed two pipes

or 3

[leaden ether]

That is just exactly how the fluids work in the game.

[viral tendon]

Where can i make a production by settings certain amouint of resoucres i have per minute?

Like website

[timber shoal]

is there a way to get the flow rate back to normal?

[viral tendon]

I need to make production with 120 nuclaer waste per minute

[timber shoal]

for the branching pipes

[tropic juniper]

add more water sources

[timber shoal]

its nitrogen gas

[tropic juniper]

add more nitrogen gas sources

[pulsar bobcat]

also when will we be able to overclock elevators, theyre so slow

[viral tendon]

Nevah

[leaden ether]

Well that is normal, if you have 5 machines that need 60 m3/min fluid then you need to pipe in 300 M3/min and split it 5 ways to get the target flow rate for each machine.

[tropic juniper]

once a pipe is full, all the fluid will go to the other branch in the pipe. so that'll get the flowrate back

[late heart]

Also something is wrong with my power plant and I didn't know what it is

Gimme a second for a ss

[tropic juniper]

its sort of like when you have a belt with 120 items per second on it. when you split that belt, it'll have 60 per second on each branch until those branches back up

[pulsar bobcat]

its all rather simple maths until material required becomes 45 or 35 or anything that is not a multiple of 30

[wicked nacelle]

it does for very large values of 1

[leaden ether]

I love it when my source and destination machine numbers are both primes. -.-

[wicked nacelle]

guy yesterday had a (corrupted) save with a 400,000,000km belt

pretty sure that was some sort of overflow/underflow

[jaunty jewel]

i dont think that is correct

[late heart]

How do I take a ss on a Lenovo legion go?

[remote wasp]

windows + shift + s

[viral tendon]

The craziest thing about it is if something needs 120 of something per minute and you use belt this long it will probably work

[late heart]

On a Lenovo legion go

[remote wasp]

it works on all windows computers

[wicked nacelle]

it'll take a few days to start up though = for the stuff to get to the other end

[viral tendon]

Exactly

But it will work someday

[fathom shuttle]

If you’re talking about ficsonium then yea, it needs to be rebalanced because it needs to be actually worth it, if an ultra end game item can’t beat the mid game power sources like rocket fuel then what’s the point of having it??

[remote wasp]

oh nvm

[wicked nacelle]

trying to load the save would just spin on the loading screen forever. it wasn't sucking ram, so I think it was just confused

[frail sleet]

underclock so that they're not e.g. 7>8, 13>15/16

[viral tendon]

I think we need to be able to do refinery recipes in blender, ik this makes zero sense but add a 2nd section to belender so refineryt is useless

[wicked nacelle]

or just don't care if a machine isn't at 100%

[late heart]

My calculator probably has more RAM than your desktop

[viral tendon]

I think some server will be able to do it

[green fiber]

i dont think the blender should ever be "refinery mk 2"

[wicked nacelle]

my computer had plenty of ram still, it just wasn't trying to use it

[viral tendon]

Real qeustion is how the fuck did he got four fucking hundred million kms of belts

[viral tendon]

How much?

[leaden ether]

I generally try to over clock but the problem with doing both is, that then turns the inputs which were an eve split with THEIR source into another set of primes (Had that happen to my aluminum factory and I completely redesigned it to get rid of the terrible mismatch that had no real solution)

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, it was obviously corrupted. but SCIM could still load it - so I just deleted it in SCIM grabbed the updated save and it opened great

[wicked nacelle]

I had 32gb free still

[winter spoke]

for lulz thought to turn on arachnophobia mode

it became just much scarier!

[viral tendon]

I'm forever grateful for head lift in machines

[viral tendon]

Server pc got a LOT more

[wicked nacelle]

it really is much creepier

[frail sleet]

I don't understand what you mean

[wicked nacelle]

it wasn't using it. It doesn't matter how much ram you have beyond what it tries to use. if it doesn't run out then you have enough

[gloomy heart]

why did they put crude oil in the middle of narnia from dune desert spawn 😭

[viral tendon]

I think some server pc with like shit ton of ram will be able to handle it

[viral tendon]

Welp who knows

[wicked nacelle]

I do

[viral tendon]

No one tested it on 192gb ram beast

[viral tendon]

You just never know

[wicked nacelle]

probably don't talk about things you don't understand... 😕

[viral tendon]

Well mind explaining why wasn't it using ram then

[remote wasp]

if you have a recipe that takes in 3 and outputs 5, if you overclock such that you now take in 5, your output is not a nice number anymore

[leaden ether]

If you mess with the clocking to match a machines output with another set of machines down the line, you also mess with the machines input with machines before it which may have been in perfect match and are now just as Fed up.

[wicked nacelle]

It doesn't matter why it wasn't using the ram. If it had run out of ram, then more could have potentially helped. But it wasn't trying to allocate more ram. There are a myriad of implementation reasons that it could have gotten into a loop.

[half path]

Any1 know a mod for alarms? Like real alarm with red flashing lights and sirens or smth like that

[viral tendon]

Stupid save file

[half path]

Tag me for answer pls

[wicked nacelle]

it's like saying if you drive a sports car 60mph you get there faster than if you drive a minivan 60mph.

[timber shoal]

is there a way to increase fluid drain rate from a fluid tank?

[wicked nacelle]

don't use fluid tanks except if you must ship fluids on trains

[ripe basin]

You don't need fluid tanks

[viral tendon]

Doesn't like sportscar have better aerodynamics?

[wicked nacelle]

You're going to make me scream.

[viral tendon]

I'm just asking

[timber shoal]

I have a setup where 2 drones bring in a bunch of package nitrogen gas, so I need the fluid tanks to store it and transfor it to other things

[wicked nacelle]

store it in containers

[upbeat nacelle]

anyone looking to play?

[timber shoal]

I need to unpack the gas tho

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[upbeat nacelle]

oh didnt see that thx

[wicked nacelle]

you can unpack it as you need to consume it - there is absolutely no reason to have a fluid buffer

[frail sleet]

You don't have to, it entirely depends on the numbers that you choose.

[quiet gust]

Chat I'm about to turn on my 20 warp drives per minute

How hyped are we

[timber shoal]

Im using a mod that adds a huge storage tanke with 8 inputs on the top and bottom, and its being connected to a bunch of different things (fused frames, cooling systems, and nitrate acid) so I need the buffer

[viral tendon]

Is there like a mod that lets me change the inpuits of machine and not outputs?

[wicked nacelle]

no you don't

and if you're using a mod, how is anyone supposed to tell you how to make it work, anyhow?

[viral tendon]

Just make a blueprint and use mergers

[haughty flax]

got my first hypertube setup.... ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh now we're cruisin

[timber shoal]

because it functions like a normal tank, just bigger

[wicked nacelle]

I just use cannons

[timber shoal]

why not?

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need normal tanks or larger tanks. so don't use tanks

[wicked nacelle]

because you can just unpackage it as you need to consume it.

[green fiber]

if you already use a large tank, why would you need another buffer

[viral tendon]

You're using storage that containes liquids and hard materials

[wicked nacelle]

seems like we're going in circles

[viral tendon]

Mf it's not regular tank

[timber shoal]

wtf are you talking about? what storage tanks can store non-liquids?

[green fiber]

wait a sec... are you buffering gas?

[wicked nacelle]

just conveyor the packaged nitrogen to the machines that want nitrogen and put a packager there for every 600/m you need

[viral tendon]

Is like acid packaged

[timber shoal]

yeah...? nitrogen gas

[wicked nacelle]

and belt the empties back

[viral tendon]

Why do you need to buffer gas

[timber shoal]

because multiple recipes need it (turbo motors, cooling systems, nitrate acid...)

[green fiber]

buffers of any kind do not work nicely with gas
the flow rate out of the buffer is proportional to how full they are.
meaning they cannot actually buffer it properly

[viral tendon]

Just use junction

Gas pipes can be as flexible as you want

I think junction needs a head lift of like 10m

[frail sleet]

Yeah they can be nasty with choking flow

I only used them with gas because i built a bunch of machines outputting DMR, and turned them on with the DMR going into a bunch of buffers, then later used those buffers to run another machine which i had not built yet. Very janky stuff 😛

[viral tendon]

or smth like junction mk 2 that got head lift

[green fiber]

if the gas is brought in by drones, you dont need or want any extra buffering.
just keep the pipe networks as small as possible.
the buffer cannot increase flow for the gas

if some gas goes to fused frames and some to cooling systems, just have packagers feed those production lines' pipes
without mixing their pipes together

the packager does all the buffering you need if you set the flow rate to be high enough and if your pipe can handle the flow

[viral tendon]

Mfs will do dumb shit and then use a 👆🏻 emoji when someone is explaining what they did wrong

[south kindle]

Is there a way to reverse the input and output on the vertical conveyor belts or am i stuck building platforms above things to delete every time?

[viral tendon]

Are you clash

[timber shoal]

Mfs will explain the obvious and act like its a valid point

[south kindle]

What?

[viral tendon]

Clash royale

[wicked nacelle]

they are still third-class citizens - just be happy they exist 🙂

[viral tendon]

It is tho

[leaden ether]

You can reverse their direction while building them using the R key, but after they are placed you cannot change it any more.

[south kindle]

I was Royale before everyone else was. I took when I made my youtube account in the 2000s.

[viral tendon]

I'm not following

[green fiber]

press R to switch direction before you build em

[viral tendon]

Clash royale is cool game try it

[timber shoal]

I was talking about the person currently being a snarky asshole (you) not the kind people who were actually being helpful and providing tips

[pulsar bobcat]

should i get the cyberwagon?

[south kindle]

I'm good

[wicked nacelle]

20 of them

[leaden ether]

If you want the achievement and or a short laugh yes.

[viral tendon]

Didn't really ask who were you talking about

[south kindle]

THANK YOU

[viral tendon]

But it's ok

[pulsar bobcat]

i want a barely functional vehicle

[viral tendon]

Since you didn't really react with that emoji that message probably wasn't meant to you

[green fiber]

they are already are barely functional.
any more functional and you get trains

[viral tendon]

cyberwagon can't even drive to the left

[subtle path]

Guys any idea why there is an fps drop when opening the build tab? like it goes from 120-130 for me to 50 (on high settings)

[viral tendon]

That sucks

[timber shoal]

I'm not arguing with you over something this stupid so im just gonna block you and call it a day 👍

[viral tendon]

So you basically did dumb thing and then you're blocking me

[green fiber]

could you like.... not

[viral tendon]

Always gotta mention that you're blocking someone

[pulsar bobcat]

greatest waste of 20 tickets

[green fiber]

best purchase of your life*

[viral tendon]

Cyberwagon so peak it doesn't go the left because it doesn't need to

Worth the 21 tickets

[pulsar bobcat]

cus its always right

[green fiber]

dang right it is

[viral tendon]

Exactly

[frail sleet]

it only turns far right

[viral tendon]

I bought everything in awsome shop, except ficsit specials because i'm poor with tickets because the shop is too awesome

[pulsar bobcat]

i had read that someone made a hmf factory just for tickets

[viral tendon]

The fact that ficsit factory cart costs less to make than a cyberwagon is interesting

[viral tendon]

What is hmf?

Homemade factory?

[pulsar bobcat]

heavy modular frame

[viral tendon]

Thnks

I'm really bad at short names of things

HOLY SHIT 10800 POINTS PER HEAVY MODULAR FRAME

I might acutally do that

Wait no

Basic recipe is 2/m

So that's like 21600 points per minute

For that amount of work

[cold ore]

I had a cool idea for Satisfactory hear me out, what if we could overclock belts? But not with power shards, since that will be boring, but instead we have to water cool them. What do u guys think?

[green fiber]

belts that can break factories if the piping acts up. wonderful

[cold ore]

Yea

[mortal ginkgo]

why stop there? add meintenance to it while at it brotherman

[green fiber]

problem is you can already toss that idea for mk6 belts
they dont wanna go faster

and for the rest:
why overclock a mk 1 belt when mk 2 or 3 exists

[cold ore]

Cause you havent unlocked it

[remote wasp]

nah what we really need is underclocking belts

[green fiber]

So a temporary measure so you can have faster belts before you unlock faster belts for realsies

[mortal ginkgo]

are you telling us to accept working with thousands of pipes instead of completing the most basic milestones which are the belt upgrades? 😛

[cold ore]

Why overclock a mk1 miner? When mk2 miner exists

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a big time gap between miner upgrades depending on the experience of the player.

[cold ore]

No I often encounter specific places in my factories that could use an extra 50% of throughput, it's not ment for every belt in your factory

[onyx fern]

Did they remove the rain from Satisfactory in the recent updates? I just saw a clip of it and realized I haven't seen rain the entire time I've been playing recently

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, thats called "insentive based game design to make you push further for milestone upgrades"

[cold ore]

Same with belts, the difference between mk4 and 5 is big and between 5 and 6 is even larger

[mortal ginkgo]

Unreal 5 upgrade borked it.

[green fiber]

They removed it in U8 because it didnt work anymore and havent found a solution to bring it back yet

[mortal ginkgo]

mk4 is really strong, mk5 can take you truly far too.

[onyx fern]

Ah, damn. Now that I know it's gone, I really miss it lol, it was really nice

[green fiber]

we all miss the rain

[cold ore]

I know, I for example would overclock my mk4 belts on my train stations to make unloading and loading faster

[mortal ginkgo]

"insentive based game design to make you push further for milestone upgrades"

you are not meant to stall or stay unupgraded.

it seems maybe you are not motivated enough to save puppies and kitties.

[green fiber]

im not sure on the idea.
and in the end, it is probably too niche for the devs to consider.

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, it doesn't make sense to begin with.

what is water doing?

[green fiber]

also because unless its a fixed percentage overclocking, you would get ratio splitters

and the devs dont want ratio splitters

[haughty flax]

so... the spaghetti is at an all time high. whats the logistical strategy going beyond tier 4? making a mall with completed products in 1 location, and then just belt it all there?

[mortal ginkgo]

logistic floors?

[subtle path]

bruh I just realized it says I played 12 hours today as a pop up on the left side of the game

[ivory condor]

Don't the devs already have a solution but it requires another engine upgrade?

[subtle path]

lmao

[haughty flax]

what do you mean?

[green fiber]

i have no idea

[ivory condor]

I remember it bring mentioned in one of the streams I think or I might be remembering wrong

[mortal ginkgo]

space below for beltwork to make it less sphagetti on building floor

[ivory condor]

Well guess we'll see if rain returns in 1.2

[mortal ginkgo]

snow biome when

[covert talon]

whats the best early game component to awesome

[placid stirrup]

Wiki has sink values, imo don't worry about it until you have a sustainable source for smart splitters and then just overflow sink every single factory

Hey banana!!!!!

[wise junco]

AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[placid stirrup]

Missed ya bud. I've been playing PalWorld instead of this lately haha, got real demotivated with the train station crashing issue

[leaden ether]

THe main thing to know is that the sink value of an item is MORE than the sink value of all the items it took to make it. So basically, unless you are saving for the space elevator, sink all your top level items you are making as you go along.

[placid stirrup]

You'll be happy to know I just had a banana about 30min ago

[wise junco]

I do love that you had a banana! What train crashing issue? What did I miss?????

[late heart]

I'm only on 8 hours

[ripe basin]

I have a banana right now

[placid stirrup]

1.1 experimental before stable branch had a bug that consistently crashed the game when placing any kind of train station. We were in the last phase of setting up transport to the nuclear plant when this happened

[wise junco]

OOF

thats super rough

[placid stirrup]

Yeah it was very disheartening but then we got back into PW and have been enjoying that, I'll be back some day though

[wise junco]

no worries! glad you're still around at all

[half scaffold]

Possibly dumb questions...
When do recipes unlock for the hard drives. When you unlock a new phase, or after you complete a tier?
What happens if you have all the recipes for the hard drives and you try to scan one? Does it just fail?

[white dawn]

Mostly as you unlock milestones; they show up once you have the resources available to make use of them

[ivory condor]

According to the devs never

[white dawn]

And yeah, if there's no more recipes to redeem, it just won't let you scan the drive

[ivory condor]

Time to mod in a snow biome

[white dawn]

Though there might still be a bug where it might actually refuse to let you scan when there's still 1 or 2 recipes left; if you get that, a save/reload should fix that up

[placid stirrup]

Just switched to passenger on my road trip from WI to CO and figured I'd see what's going on here haha

[half scaffold]

Where in CO ?

[placid stirrup]

Just another Denver transplant; is there a chance I saw you at pirate invasion Ren Faire a couple years ago?

[half scaffold]

Not in Denver, but we did a pirate invasion in Grand Junction a few years back

[viral tendon]

Why does hoverpack give whole 265k points

[half scaffold]

Random Rant: It really pisses me off when companies use a USB-A charger, and some BS proprietary plug for the other end. The ONLY reason to not use USB-C is greed, plain and simple. USB-C cables/charges are so easy to find they don't want to lose out on the extra income generated when you have to buy a whole new device b/c you lost/broke the cable.

[placid stirrup]

Pop off, king

[viral tendon]

Usb A is like classic isn't it

It's not the best but alr

[winter ruin]

Is making and burning ficsonium fuel rods actually worth it? from what I'm seeing they require more power to produce than what they make and don't know if it has any benefits that I'm missing other than no waste

[viral tendon]

The one that everyone really hates is micro usb

[frail sleet]

EU is about to make it illegal to not have usbc

[viral tendon]

FUCK micro usb!

[burnt ferry]

word

brittle little shit

[viral tendon]

Top 10 decisions oat

[frail sleet]

ficsonium ATM is a method of waste disposal. The alternative is sinking plutonium rods, or banking an infinitely growing pile of waste (plutonium waste unless you're a madman, since it requires 1/15'th of the storage containers that uranium waste does)

[winter ruin]

Im just wondering if its worth doing to get the extra power from plutonium

and the ficsonium

[viral tendon]

Oh ave you not heard? It was my understanding thqat everybody had heard

[winter ruin]

Not this again

[frail sleet]

🐦

[burnt ferry]

though one must say that the agony usb-c adapters have brought upon us isnt significantly better

[frail sleet]

it's not super compelling but it exists 😛

[viral tendon]

What

[winter ruin]

I mean throwing lizard doggos or trains off the map carrying the waste in an option

[white dawn]

Plutonium can be a massive power increase

Like an extra 200%+ power compared to what you got from Uranium

[burnt ferry]

find one that actually supports using all its slots at the same time. for less than 100 bucks

[white dawn]

IMO it's well worth it, though of course there's nothing wrong with stopping there

[winter ruin]

I thought it just doubled what you make?

[viral tendon]

I'm not following

[covert talon]

is there anything from quartz that i should be mass producing?

[white dawn]

Ficsonium's nice if you want "clean" nuclear but also want to take advantage of Plutonium power

[viral tendon]

I can't understand what usb c adapters are you talking about

[winter ruin]

Because you make half as many as your fuel rods and it burns twice as slow

[covert talon]

im currently just sitting on like 20k quartz crystals

[white dawn]

Ficsonium in itself isn't a lot of extra power (though it's a bit); its big benefit is letting you use Plutonium while remaining "clean"

[white dawn]

Nah, it's like 3xish, though of course it can depend on recipes

[wispy crystal]

i vaguely remember someone telling me that if you want to transport water across long distances its better to build a tall water tower with pumps at the start becouse the water would carry that height across the entire pipelenght, is that correct?

[winter ruin]

It is tons of extra power, but all of it gets used making it

[frail sleet]

it's less than double with the "meta" recipies. But it's still approaching 2x power with only around 15% of the waste.

[white dawn]

But again, nothing wrong with stopping at Uranium, of course

[burnt ferry]

im saying usb c is good but they come with usb c adapters which for every thousand bad ones there is one good one at best

[viral tendon]

Never bought usb c cable they always came with everything that needs it lmao

[winter ruin]

Im likely gonna stop at uranium because I would have to make so many rods and use so much power it wouldn't be worth it

[white dawn]

Waste storage really isn't a big deal: just know how quickly you produce the waste, make yourself an ISC blueprint, spam that somewhere, and you'll know exactly how much time that storage will give you

[winter ruin]

Issue is, I play on a dedicated so it fills FAST

[white dawn]

Slap it offshore somewhere and forget about it forever (though if you do build like 200 hours of storage an then find yourself 180 hours later still playing the game, you might want to remember to go expand the storage. :)

[frail sleet]

uranium is extremely bad. Earliest reasonable stop is sinking plutonium rods. Else, either burn those and store their waste or go fics.

[burnt ferry]

when you have a loptop that has usb c only you may want to use some kind of adapter/docking station

[white dawn]

The nice thing about Plutonium waste is that it accumulates quite slowly. But IMO even Uranium waste storage isn't bad. Just spam some ISC blueprints

[placid stirrup]

You generally want to stay away from transporting fluids in pipes long distances, you're likely better off using trains or (most preferably) building the factory near the fluids

[winter ruin]

How many fics rods would I be making with 30 uranium rods/min?(im guessing around 450(

[viral tendon]

Ion have laptop

[burnt ferry]

also i never talked about cables, so this might be a misunderstanding

[frail sleet]

37.5 fics via 7.5 plutonium

[viral tendon]

What were you taling about then

[winter ruin]

I had to some some math seriously wrong then

I calculated 270 making 18 uranium rods/min

[burnt ferry]

bruh.. if you cant get the connection from you talking about micro usb and every body hating it to usb c and everybody hating its adapters, i cant help you

[frail sleet]

2100 uranium build into minimum cost ficsonium wasteless is 50.4 > 12.6 > 63

[placid stirrup]

Water towers, for me at least, are useful when you have a significant amount of fluids to move. You can then take advantage of the fact it only takes one pipe to pressurize a multi-pipe system. There are different schools of thought on this, naturally.

[frail sleet]

e.g. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=pzaBuhlTL2PwQMph4Zi2

[viral tendon]

MIcro usb is that one sided cable

[ripe basin]

Yeah

[viral tendon]

I never really encountered usb c adapter

[winter ruin]

Ok thanks, that seems much easier than 270 rods a minute lol

[viral tendon]

I genuinely have no idea what are you talking about

[ripe basin]

I don't know how I used micro usb

[viral tendon]

We all used it at one point

[wispy crystal]

so if id need to transport 8 pipes of water across a long distance with lots of elevation changes, id technically only need to build a bunch of pump at the start going up and then back down again and it should work so long as i dont go higher then the water tower that i build right?

[placid stirrup]

In theory, yes. Following the other guidelines in the pipe manual should result in steady flow.

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, imagine using Water Towers.

[placid stirrup]

@wispy crystal I would not try this if you are recycling the fluid, e.g. in aluminum production

[covert talon]

is there anything from quartz that i should be mass producing?

[viral tendon]

Silica if you're planning to build windows

Not mass but also crystal osciliri

[frail sleet]

+crystal and a few oscillators for build gun

[viral tendon]

Oscilirator

Also crystal yeah

[frail sleet]

otherwise build as needed

[wicked nacelle]

yes, this is correct. not sure why someone suggested not doing it

its' the "water tower" approach

[wicked nacelle]

diamonds

[quiet gust]

I BEAT THE GAME

[wicked nacelle]

aluminum ingots

[wicked nacelle]

the game begs to differ

[placid stirrup]

I cautioned since it only has the potential to add complexity to a system, not remove it.

[wispy crystal]

not gonna use it for aluminium

[ripe basin]

How many hours?

[wispy crystal]

just to get lots of water to my farm from ficsit farming mod

[wicked nacelle]

it greatly improves aluminum bauxite efficiency.

[wicked nacelle]

really? I think it simplifies it

[quiet gust]

1100 total 650 this save

[ripe basin]

Great

[wicked nacelle]

especially because you can blueprint it pretty easily

[ripe basin]

But im still undefeated

[placid stirrup]

Amended

[wicked nacelle]

if nothing else you don't haev to bring power along the way...

[quiet gust]

?

[placid stirrup]

I use them as well to reduce the tedium of more pumps, but it requires knowledge of the other tenets of fluid dynamics in the game

[ripe basin]

53 hours without any prep

[quiet gust]

i wasnt speedrunnign

[ripe basin]

I wasnt either

[quiet gust]

i reached the object limit, you think i was speedrunning?

[wicked nacelle]

I'm currently sinking about... 175M/m I wanted to get up to 1 ticket/minute (240M/m) but dang...

I can get the last of the sloops to get another 2.5 warp drives/m for "free" but then I have to really start weeding out inefficiencies. probably start measuring each resource use precisely...

sam/quartz/coal are my bottlenecks in terms of there's no more on the map right now with aluminum not far behind

[quiet zephyr]

just discovered the giant confusing creature plush merch and I dont think ive ever grabbed my wallet faster

[wicked nacelle]

I wish you could set the ammoritzation time for the belt counter thingy. I want to know what my 10m average is not 1m

with trains, 1m isn't useful

[void belfry]

So how many pioneers landed on planets created a basic factory just enough to keep ficsit off their back and is now pretending to work

[wicked nacelle]

how many identical planets are there... or is this all just a simulation?

and what is the simulation trying to determine?

maybe the lazy people are actually passing and everyone working is just a sucker?

[placid stirrup]

True, man 😏

[void belfry]

Yes lol

[wicked nacelle]

oops dd full of coupons, time for more nutz

[fathom shuttle]

Aluminum is kinda.. easy?

The hardest part is gathering it

[covert talon]

are there upgrades to the jetpack? this thing sucks

[placid stirrup]

There's a learning curve compared to previous production lines

[placid stirrup]

Yes

[hard ivy]

Which fuel are you using?

[fathom shuttle]

Took me 15 minutes to learn how to make it ||(thanks to soreani)||

[placid stirrup]

Took me 14

Weeks

[fathom shuttle]

And now I can finally say that the 6k/min alum factory is done

[fathom shuttle]

I got a question

Is there a way to fix the bug that causes junctions to not segment properly because of a height mismatch? It’s like a 0.5m difference

I tried building from the railway I wanted to join but the same issue still occurs

[hard ivy]

Build flat on foundations

Intersection first, connect it to the rest later so it doesn't get curved from the other rails if they aren't flat themselves

Or build it with enough height difference that the lower train can fit below the upper rail

[placid stirrup]

6k ingots? What's that, about 4k baux?

[fathom shuttle]

6k bauxite

[fathom shuttle]

Ah

So I build the junction, extend it a little then connect the rail I want to join to it?

[placid stirrup]

Ooh you went max production too? I shared the tour of our plant a while ago in #streams-and-videos if you're interested

[fathom shuttle]

1.08m/min points

Just from aluminum and HMF too

[fathom shuttle]

I’m pretty sure it’s like less than half the bauxite in the world lol, not sure why I would ever need 12k+ aluminum

[placid stirrup]

It's just barely under half, yeah. That's how we planned it out.

[fathom shuttle]

It looks crazy

How many people are working on it

[placid stirrup]

Just myself and a buddy, it's been done for a while haha

[fathom shuttle]

I wish had friends smart enough to make reinforced iron plates lol

[placid stirrup]

Once we start playing again we have quite the tour of our nuclear plant to share

And possibly turbo town, if we feel inspired

[frail sleet]

ficsonium poll #math-and-meta message

[fathom shuttle]

For motors?

[placid stirrup]

Correct

[fathom shuttle]

How many turbo motors are you making

[placid stirrup]

It's been a while since I've played, for some reason 18 sticks out in my head though

[crude canyon]

here's a challenge for you guys
mk1 belts only

[gloomy heart]

not much of a challenge?

just results in more belts

[void belfry]

So using trains for fluids...yes or no?

[gloomy heart]

yes

[midnight portal]

couldnt you just get 60/min off every node then?

[gloomy heart]

yeah

just results in more node usage

[midnight portal]

probably possible but pretty annoying xd

[gloomy heart]

just sounds tedious rather than a challenge

[bright magnet]

me: automates an item in game
Also me: lets put one machine taking ages to make them since i have way too much free time but not the patience to build a full assembly line to make more per minute

[gloomy heart]

facts

[crude canyon]

you need more machines that are underclocked, more belts, more space

[viral tendon]

#screenshots message A bit of storage for my fused frames and scs

[gloomy heart]

how come they dont allow screenshots in here but allowed in math design and questions?

[crude canyon]

more nodes that need to be used

[viral tendon]

It's literally called design

This chat is the most active one and general one

Math and meta is not used by that much people

And you can only talk about math and meta there

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

I made the DUGA radar system

[gloomy heart]

ok?

[viral tendon]

Ok

[covert talon]

Bio

[hard ivy]

Solid or liquid?

[covert talon]

Solid

Like the three tubes

[hard ivy]

Well, there's your issue. It's a shit fuel

The only fuels worth using are liquid biofuel, rocket fuel and ionized fuel

[covert talon]

Do they make it faster or just last longer?

[viral tendon]

Liquid biofuel is literally perfect for hoverpack and jetpack at once

It's genuinely peak

[haughty flax]

just unlocked phase 2, have tiers 5&6 available... this games crazy

[viral tendon]

Does he know?

[haughty flax]

generally, i see trains are now available... what is the strat, do more people make 1 giga base, or several independent part bases

[viral tendon]

He doesn't know about phase 4

[leaden ether]

Nah Rocket fuel for jet pack for me, you can go just as far as with boi fuel by tapping the thrust since it gives you soimuch vertical height. You get both distance and height in one fuel (IMHO)

[viral tendon]

Just use hoverpack atp

I don't see a point of unlocking any other fuels after turbo fuel

[leaden ether]

Hoverpack and jetpack occupy two totally different usage scenarios :)

[viral tendon]

Idk i carry around power poles lmao

Imo hoverpack is so much better

[leaden ether]

Heh okay, I mean everyone has their own way of playing. :)

[viral tendon]

Not saying you shouldn't use jetpack

Do what you want

If jetpack is better than hoverpack for youy use it

I personally use both

[leaden ether]

I do run the large power poles between each of my factories/ factory centers so getting around with the hover back between built up locations works okay for me. But when searching for collectables it's the jet pack.

[viral tendon]

With dd hoverpack becomes absolute disaster

You basically carry around power poles and resources for power poles refil automatically

[leaden ether]

THen you leave a tangled mess of powerpoles everywhere? Nah.

[viral tendon]

You won't have to carry about dragging power for a long distances

Later in the game

[leaden ether]

Later in the game I travel buy rail mostly but vehicles some when I have roads in and finally using teleporters at end game.

[viral tendon]

Didn't know i will hve telerporters

Wow

[hard ivy]

Imo it's so much worse. Basically never use it. LBF all the way

[viral tendon]

How

[hard ivy]

The range is way too fucking small

[viral tendon]

I can agree with that

I think those big power poles should have bigger range with hoverpack

I just carry around power poles

I also love that you can just stand in place

[leaden ether]

Yeah that would make sense actually.

[viral tendon]

I think we should be able to connect to actual wires other than power poles

[leaden ether]

But the hoverpacks were obviously made just for factory building. Any other use of them is kinda straching things.

[viral tendon]

Best combo is hoverpack+ jetpack

So peak

Good for factory and exploring

[leaden ether]

If only there was a hover jet pack so you didn't have to constantly be swapping them.

[viral tendon]

If you don't have any power poles nearby you will just use fuel mode

[hard ivy]

The tiny range makes it useless even for that. It's only good for troubleshooting a finished factory with all the power already in it.

[viral tendon]

Idk how can you find hoverpack useless

It's very good for factories

Wall outlets exist btw

[hard ivy]

It's worse than LBF so it's useless to me. 🤷‍♂️
At least until all the power is down

[viral tendon]

Just because the range is small it's not useless

[void belfry]

Another bad idea...a mega storage area for rocket fuel

[viral tendon]

It's not even that small

We need little power poles that have 2 connections

That you can place everywhere

[void belfry]

I wanna store a million m3 worth of rocket fuel

[viral tendon]

And they're not noticeable

[hard ivy]

Not just the range. LBF is faster horizontally, more flexible, more responsive. And has limited time, not range. And the time is 1 minute, so it's plenty to build stuff between landings

[viral tendon]

Yeahbut you can't just float in one place without constantly spamming space bar

And more flexieble and responce is just bs

[hard ivy]

Meanwhile, with the Hoverpack, I have to place temporary power poles 2-3 times denser than I actually need to power things

[viral tendon]

It's only faster horizontally

Something that can't float in one place without me constantly spamming one button while building other stuff is not flexible

Js use hoverpack when you're working on factory

And jetpack when exploring

[hard ivy]

Being tethered within 60m of a power connector is the opposite of flexible lmao

[viral tendon]

Place another power pole????

[hard ivy]

"flexible"

[viral tendon]

When you're working in factory(the main purpose of hoverpack) you're as flexieble as you want

Whatever, if you're such jetpack fanboy then do what you want

I can't restrict you

[noble spire]

The space elevator launch is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen

[viral tendon]

Yep

[noble spire]

The music is so good

[hard ivy]

I'm not really a jetpack fanboy. I don't love building with it. But the few times I tried the hoverpack it was way more annoying

[viral tendon]

So we're just lying

If your factory got 2 power poles then it's not hoverpacks problem

[hard ivy]

I've got poles where I need them to power machines

To power the hoverpack, I'd need several times more

[viral tendon]

Then get several times more

It won't be "way more annoying"

[hard ivy]

Or I'd need to eyeball them from far away, because the power line reaches twice as far as the hoverpack

[hard ivy]

I tried it, and it was

[viral tendon]

Stop lying

How can it be more annoying

If you literally can fly whereever you want

[hard ivy]

?

[viral tendon]

So being able to be at one place without spamming button is way more annoying

May i ask in what way it was way more annoying

[hard ivy]

Within 60m of a power pole is not "wherever". I can actually fly wherever with the jetpack

[viral tendon]

Well if you actually place more than 5 power poles per factoy maybe you would be able to fly whereever you want

I never really tried to make a lot of power poles just for hoverpack in my factories

And it works fine

[hard ivy]

Placing all the fucking extra power poles that don't connect to anything and are in the way later?

[viral tendon]

How can power poles can be in the way while you're flying

You got mk 15 power poles thta are 200m high or wha t

[hard ivy]

In the way of placing machines, splitters, belts?

[viral tendon]

Maybe place machines first??

Also

Power outlets exist

[hard ivy]

Can't fucking do that with a range of 60m

[viral tendon]

They don't take any space and connect to foundation

[viral tendon]

Never in my lif ei had power pole in the way of placing machnies

I place machines THEN power poles or outlets

Outlets are better

Connect them to foundation you're doing everything on and you're fine

Then after you finish with the machines place power poles

Or walls whatever you can place them on

[hard ivy]

I tried the "powered foundation" trick and instead the annoying thing was the height limit lol

[viral tendon]

Then place 4 walls connect outlets to them and remove walls

It will not limit your height

Still 60m btw

[hard ivy]

Look, I literally only started to use the hoverpack when I installed a mod to double its range. The default range is just completely useless to me

[viral tendon]

I literally gave you a solution to your low range problem

[hard ivy]

I have used the default hoverpack for 100+ hours, tried all the tricks people suggested, and it was just shit compared to LBF

[viral tendon]

Look, if you hate hoverpack and don't want to build outlets or power poles or whatever then say so

[viral tendon]

Well i used hoverpack for 150+ hours and just by myself without any tips and tricks i still use it

[hard ivy]

Only double range actually fixed it. Though 1.5x probably would've been enough

[viral tendon]

Better than lbf for me personally

[hard ivy]

It's probably because I've been playing since before the hoverpack was a thing and I know how to build with the jetpack. The hoverpack is just limiting, with very few benefits in comparison

[viral tendon]

No offense but i think you didn't use it's full potential, use whatever you want, i just tried to give you some tips so it's useful for you

Also it's 4am so i better not argue on discord

[placid stirrup]

I disagree, I think you SHOULD argue on discord

[viral tendon]

Wait

[placid stirrup]

I activate my trap card

[viral tendon]

Have you not heard? I thought everybody had heard

[sullen gull]

Heard the word?

[viral tendon]

Everybody had heard, that the bird is the word, b-bird, b-bird, b-bird is the word

Also i think it would be more healthy for my dog to sleep under 2 blankets instead of zero when it's 19.2c in my room

16 c a/c

[placid stirrup]

Looks at username
Dog?

[viral tendon]

Yeah

[placid stirrup]

[viral tendon]

Well my dad got allergy for cats so yeah

[placid stirrup]

He should return those to whatever store he got them at

[viral tendon]

Return what

[placid stirrup]

The allergies

[viral tendon]

He had those since childhood

[placid stirrup]

Go to sleep, friend

[viral tendon]

He almost died because of that btw

[viral tendon]

I willthink about that

(I will play clash royale)

[vernal relic]

How is everyone feeling?

[viral tendon]

Good

[vernal relic]

Not satisfactory?

[swift kernel]

Specifically not satisfactory just to spite you, personally

[eternal geyser]

yeah! what they said!

[ivory vessel]

Why in the heck is the alien symbol the locker room S symbol

[shy fog]

loops are loops

[eternal geyser]

your s was confined to locker rooms?

[warped cove]

is there any plans for a disposal / overflow control method for the pipes simpler than packaging them

[covert talon]

is there any reason to use power storage with constant power?

[remote wasp]

If you have a bunch of trains your power consumption will vary so it can be good to have

[cyan garnet]

they can save your grid from crashing if you accidentally over-consume your capacity

if you are diligent about monitoring your power grid then that risk is low

[gloomy oriole]

Anyone know if you can 'nudge' with a controller? (Too bad there's no way to swap between controller and K+M at-will...)

[hollow vector]

im so unmodivated to finish my turbofuel plant tbh
its just so stressful having to build this much and get so many alts

[leaden ether]

Keep the TF plant design simple, don't try to recycle the HOR waste into coke or anything, just sink it. The endless gobs of piping is a bit of a pain but it's a really good source of power when done.

[shy fog]

do you require some idiot to build one for you?

[timid rune]

I should really get some power storage because my grid crashes on save startup hah

[void belfry]

Or you could instead use liquid biofuel

Maybe have liquid biofuel as a backup

[timid rune]

oh I am talking about my nuclear plant array trying to catchup 😄

I just need to rebuild the 33GW of power storage I have back and running

[void belfry]

I suggest liquid biofuel

...then again I always suggest liquid biofuel because I am a psychopath who enjoys cutting down nature and slaughtering the wildlife

[timid rune]

hah

[runic frost]

haldo

i am n00b

[timid rune]

I am not too concerned though

[runic frost]

is it permissible to ask for troubleshooting help in here, or does that need to go in #1038092680493801533 ?

[timid rune]

since I do have about 100 stacks of uranium rods lying around

[cyan garnet]

questions and help is usually better. keeps conversation in one place and you can post screenshots there

[void belfry]

Heh you said rod

[runic frost]

aight, guess I'll do that. just so pissed at the game rn. :(

[cyan garnet]

I'm sure we can help

[half scaffold]

How far can you build over the void? Ie, I want to build a truck/train path along the bottom of the map

[runic frost]

I'm just curious to know whether there's a known issue, but I'm not seeing any other recent reports on Reddit. I'll make a post.

[remote wasp]

There isn't a limit to the distance you can build foundations

[leaden ether]

I built an entire huge powerplant out over the southern void. :D The kill line is a straight line so it's distance from land mass varies. But it's decently far.

[half scaffold]

Sweet, thank you!

[white dawn]

You can check SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) for the exact lines; it's one of the toggles on there

[void belfry]

It feels like I am making a WMD

lol loading a train full of rocket fuel makes it feel like a WMD or a Doomsday device

[next umbra]

Good

[viral tendon]

Oh have you not heard? I thought everybody had heard

[covert talon]

is tehre any way to make it default to a mk2 power pole when placing thru wire?

[viral tendon]

Nope

[remote wasp]

Huh?

[viral tendon]

It seems that you didn't get the joke did you

[eager quarry]

Wait... So, I'm slooping my Aluminum, and now I have more water than I put into the system. What do I do with my excess water now?

[viral tendon]

Don't sloop aluminum

Also machines that are needed for aluminum are powered with bauxite and water, so use that water to power up those machines

[leaden ether]

Atleast not inside the alumina waste water loop

[eager quarry]

I want ALL the aluminum on the map

[viral tendon]

Well what about getting ALL job applications

[timid rune]

are you using electrode scrap?

[eager quarry]

Yes

[viral tendon]

Pure aluminum ingot top 10 recipes ngl

So peak

[timid rune]

yeah pure aluminum is great

[viral tendon]

The only pur erecipe i use

[timid rune]

nah pure caterium is up there

[viral tendon]

Ion use it

[timid rune]

I like to combine pure caterium + pure copper with fused quickwire

[viral tendon]

Ion really use a lot of alt recipes

Maybe like steel pipes one

Also that one recipe that needs concrete and steel pipe for smth

[timid rune]

HMF?

[viral tendon]

No

[timid rune]

Heavy Encased Frame

[viral tendon]

Just pipe and concrete

[sullen gull]

Encased ind beams

[viral tendon]

Ye

I love using only iron everywhere

Iron genuinely goated

There's a lot of iron on the map

[eager quarry]

But WHY shouldn't I sloop Sloppy Alumina?

[viral tendon]

Because it's a waste of somerslooop

There's plenty amount of water and bauxite

[eager quarry]

I just never want to deal with Aluminum production ever again.

[viral tendon]

Oh buddy

You will

And a lot

What tier are you on rn

[sullen gull]

Nah, just grab all the bauxite, and do it once 😏

[eager quarry]

... Why do you think I spent all of yesterday creating a train system to pick up all the aluminum on the map? I'm on tier 7, having just unlocked Bauxite refinement.

[viral tendon]

Well you might wanna sit down for this one

[eager quarry]

Currently laying down for this one

[viral tendon]

Well

If you just unlkcoekd bauxite refinement

You would need A LOT of aluminum later

Do you want me to spoil that for you

[sullen gull]

If you would pay attention, they are already using all of the bauxite

[eager quarry]

Oh, I already know. That's why I'm refining all the aluminum on the map.

[viral tendon]

"i want" doesn't mean already done

[viral tendon]

Also i'd advice you to mentally prepare for turbo motors

[eager quarry]

I have collected all the Bauxite, but currently building a refinery in the swamp.

[sullen gull]

Here you go mate, helped you out: #satisfactory message

[viral tendon]

Or your balls will dissapear

[viral tendon]

Ok

[viral tendon]

Nice

Turbo motors suck

Worst part in the game

[steady glade]

hey, would you mind showing me your train tracks and infrastructure? i also reached tier 7 yesterday and i hate how my basic track blueprints work

[eager quarry]

So, if I have 3 refineries, 2 slooped, into 6 refineries with electrode aluminum scrap, it creates 640 water, meaning I won't need more water into the system, and in fact need to pull out more than required.

[eager quarry]

It's still messy, but I use a rail blueprint from Kibitz.

[steady glade]

ooh i see

and do you keep your tracks close to the ground or elevated?

[eager quarry]

Elevated

[viral tendon]

Is that because turbo motors suck

[steady glade]

alright thanks

[timid rune]

working on 30 turbo motors/min atm

[sullen gull]

You mind if I dm you?

[eager quarry]

Go ahead

[steady glade]

#screenshots message i see, its waay up so you can quickly get the bauxite

[eager quarry]

Just yoinking it all

I have mines all across the continent, with trains collecting as much as I can. I just don't have anything processing it yet.

[burnt ferry]

see #screenshots both truck stations have their own line. left station is set to unload, right one is set to load. can i make them vehicles of the right line NOT drop off the stuff at the left station?

[eager quarry]

I think I also need more... MORE!

[eager quarry]

Oh... Uh... I'm only good with trains.

[burnt ferry]

whenever i make something with alu on satis tools, it wants me to convert copper to bauxite using the accelerator... apparently thats more efficient

[covert talon]

https://gyazo.com/541780012ffd363f4745a8d855e142af
what would be the best way to connect these 2 factories?
i think its like 3/4k m

[sullen gull]

Choo choo mutha ....

[burnt ferry]

either trucks dont have or i cant find the line settings where you can specifcy what material to load or unload and what not

[wicked nacelle]

Why do you think you need to connect them?

[burnt ferry]

only stations have load or unload. as track recording doesnt know about loading or unloading but it just happening when you get 'close enough' it seems not controllable

[tranquil hemlock]

I don't believe there is a filter like that

[burnt ferry]

ye doesnt look like it.. was hoping to just missing it

havent seen any larger truck stations in action yet and as far as i remember when there was many trucks/tractors in the video, they wasnt talking about separting load/unlload stations

[tranquil hemlock]

Vehicles don't have specific load or unload filters. Trains you can, by using multiple stations and freight cars (or whatever it's called) and filtering what goes into each station to be loaded, but vehicles inherently just take what's at that station

[burnt ferry]

think i need both station for delivery anyway in this scenario and have to bring the other stuff differently

[burnt ferry]

i dont actually need a filter.. i need the vehicle to be forbidden to use a certain station

[tranquil hemlock]

Then just don't have the vehicle go to that station

[burnt ferry]

im transporting one material back and the other forth.. maybe i need to do it entirely different

[burnt ferry]

but what if i want to make it look like in the sccreenshot? have you seen it

the issue is that the station of the other line is so close, that while making its way back to its actual station it drops off the material at the other line ones

[tranquil hemlock]

Not really much you can do other than redesign, at least that I can think of

[burnt ferry]

ye prolly

or in this case just use both station for delivery..... but if i bring the one stuff by belt, i wonder why i should use the truck for the other stuff then 😂

not even easier to handle as i need 4 stations in total to handle the output

[tranquil hemlock]

Don't take me at my word though, I'm not super experienced, especially with vehicles, but I've given the knowledge I have

[burnt ferry]

i just put a train where the street is at 😂

lot easier, can handle both directions with one line and one vehicle

[covert talon]

what is the fluid pump to coal generator ratio?

[burnt ferry]

all good mate, but the interface/menu doesnt really give more than that.. so it seems its like that

[burnt ferry]

45m3/min:75W

[tranquil hemlock]

||120 coal input, 3 watwr extractors, and 8 coal generators||

[sterile blade]

Interact with the "pause" symbols left when a truck stops at a station. You have the choice to delete them if you want, which will prevent the truck who left it to dock at that station.

[burnt ferry]

pure node, 48 slugs, 1200 m3/min water and 16 generators

[covert talon]

so 5 water -> 13 coal gen?

[burnt ferry]

theres only one pause icon for each track. there was only generated one anyway as it was kinda tight to turn but i always remove these additional ones

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[burnt ferry]

i could try to delete them, as there seem to be enough nodes close enough to the right station.. of course its possible that i mixed one up

[sterile blade]

Trucks should not take or give items to any stations they don't have a "pause node" for

[burnt ferry]

like delete all pause nodes

[burnt ferry]

im using tractors if that matters.. trucks suck

[sterile blade]

No matter, their "AI" is the same

[burnt ferry]

na the pause node is not necessary

you just have to drive by

[covert talon]

would you guys prioritize getting a train system early

[sterile blade]

In automatic drive, it very much should be.

[burnt ferry]

nah ive deleted those before and load/unload did work iirc

[covert talon]

bring everything back to the main base

[burnt ferry]

ye.. like my issue just shows, trains are a lot better

[covert talon]

how do they do oiver rough terrain

or can they be sky trains?

[burnt ferry]

like just to have a simple one material forth and another one back is a pita with cars and can be easily done with one train and 2 freight cars

[sterile blade]

Make sure to actually "rc" then xD
It's easy to just misinterpret things or similar

[sterile blade]

If I liked trains or disliked other vehicles, I likely would ^^

[burnt ferry]

the pause nodes get generated regardless if a station is close by or not.. so it doesnt really make sense.. doesnt mean its not true, just unlikely

and as i said, im not to investd into these.. just to record the track is annoying as hell

[pulsar egret]

how do i remove the giraffe thing from my factory

[burnt ferry]

punch it

[pulsar egret]

its stuck

[sterile blade]

A pause button is generated for the truck to stop at that station. It doesn't have millimetri precison, which is kind of the reason why you need a whole node to specifically say "this truck will dock here at this station". No pause node, no docking.

[eager quarry]

Is there anything that consumes 30 water a minute?

[burnt ferry]

something that consumes 60 but is underclocked to 50%

[eager quarry]

Fair, fair

[burnt ferry]

almost

them stops have yellow pause nodes

others are blue

it tells me you didnt actually knew what you was talking about, but in the end, the puzzle is solved, so thanks

[sterile blade]

Cool to help someone ready to accuse you for not remembering what colour that thing you messed with years ago is. Really makes this pleasant

[covert talon]

no preference just like whats optimal

[leaden ether]

Yeah about 20 whacks with the upgraded xeno zapper will be needed to take care of it.

Though a couple of times I backed away from the place they were stuck at till they derezzed due to distance culling then when I came back they were in a different, less bothersome spot

[wicked nacelle]

turbo diamonds 250% REQUIRES sushi belt. sneaky

cuz you need 1500 diamonds and packaged turbo fuel but only 2 solid inputs

and it's not an easy sushi belt, either. You need 3:1 coal to turbofuel if you're sending 1200 coal in the other input

[latent prawn]

tbh, i think it is better to keep the clock on that at 100%

[wicked nacelle]

200% is fine. that's 1200 coal, so just 1 belt

[latent prawn]

yeah, you're still eating a lot of power by doing so

[cursive crane]

kinda wonder if thats not intended to be that way. feels like something they wouldn't intend to be that way and might have missed Lol

[latent prawn]

there's a few other recipes that need such games to clock up. heavy flex frames for example

[covert talon]

is quartz useless

like generally low use* the tree is tiny and i dont see anything actually helpful in it toward the end

besides priority ofc

[latent prawn]

it has a few key uses

[elder apex]

the quartz mam tree? useful for blade runners and an easy early +6 inventory boost

[latent prawn]

if you're looking to max out nuclear, quartz becomes very tight

[covert talon]

so past that?

[elder apex]

i personally don't use it much past that and the basic unlocks, no

[latent prawn]

ahh, well, there's also signal towers burried down at the end

[shy mulch]

It's used in synthetic power shards

[elder apex]

but i also don't need signal towers since i use SCIM, don't need the explorer or pulse nobelisks, etc

[latent prawn]

the big quartz draws are oscillators, which can't be made without them, hsc's where you can substitute in silicon for some of the caterium needed, boosting aluminum yield, and then synth power shards

yeah, the towers allow you to see mineral nodes on the map which is incredibly useful

[elder apex]

pretty sure Jahson is talking about the mam tree for quartz, not quartz itself

[covert talon]

adaptive control units are crazy holy

4 big parts

i need trains i think if im gonna move my plastic

unless i just make a cross map belt

[latent prawn]

its better to toss it on trains, that gives you some abstraction from capacity limits

[covert talon]

trains seem really hard to place

across the terrain

[latent prawn]

they kind of are, yeah

[covert talon]

should i do them all on foundations or wing

[midnight timber]

I recommend foundations, especially if you have a lot of vertical terrain (cliffs)

[latent prawn]

its easier to run rails on foundations, by far

[covert talon]

https://gyazo.com/50b50867b44819efc2462a1c807e2416
will this be a terrible route to make?

[shy mulch]

What a lot of people do is blueprint a 'pillar' of sorts, that you can place anywhere on terrain, goes some height, looks nice, and has rails on top. Dump them across the landscape in a similar way to how you'd do long distance power, then zoop rails between them to link them all up

[latent prawn]

i've been taking a break from the game

[sterile blade]

How is that "not an easy sushi"?

[wicked nacelle]

it's not, for example a 2:1

which is just a merger.

that seems obvious though so I'm confused what you're asking

[shy mulch]

I really want to finish my rocket fuel generators, but struggling for design motivation. Don't want to do boring big square/cube block. Might end up just copying the design I did for the first lot, but that feels lazy

[sterile blade]

Oh, well, in that sense yeah... It takes 3 mergers instead on 1 ^^

[shy mulch]

You can have some GET OUT on your pizza

[cursive crane]

how far along are you?

there are a few alt recipes for quartz later on that can be helpful if you are tryna save other resources

[wicked nacelle]

You also have to feed it at the right rate -- actual 300:100/minute otherwise it will back up with the turbo fuel packages and not get the correct amount of coal to run at 100%

[shy mulch]

Anyone got interesting buildings for large numbers of fuel gens I can be inspired by?

[wicked nacelle]

whereas a normal sushi belt you can feed it at max rate and the belt will just stop if it's too fast but the machine will still run 100%

[sterile blade]

So long as you merge full belts, you can have the sushi back up safely as there's no way for the ratio to change (due to round-robin rules) ^^

Eg: the merged inputs could come from full storages

[shy mulch]

It won't hit max rate though. If you've got 1200 coal going in one input, the other input only needs 300 coal and 100 turbo fuel.

No problem for belts, only a problem if the coal stack in the input is full and the turbo fuel is empty (only actually needs 2 packaged turbo fuel to create 3 diamonds) so that's massively unlikely

If you ensure there is ONLY 300 coal per min entering the sushi belt, I don't think you'll have any issues

[sterile blade]

There are technically just 2 ways to ensure such a system won't clog:

1. Ensure the correct parts/min reach the machine (prior production chains must be good enough)
2. Ensure the correct "pattern" of items gets to the machine (prior load-balancing is good enough)
   (2) can give more leeway imo

[shy mulch]

I'll need to check when I'm home and see how I did it, I can't remember. I know I'm using that recipe but I think I just ended up going for 2 machines rather than complicating matters

[wicked nacelle]

if you send too fast it will pull coal from the sushi belt too fast and fill up the turbofuel. Which will then stop it from pulling any coal from that belt and slow the mchine from 100%

You have to spend some time and think about it

[shy mulch]

If the sushi belt only has 300 coal then it can't pull any faster than that

[sterile blade]

The downside is just needing more space and (possibly) Sloops for the same output 🤷‍♂️

[shy mulch]

Space is basically unlimited. And I think that's a bad choice to place your sloops there anyway

[covert talon]

are there any ways past the leg upgrade to increase walking or horizontal movement

[worn steppe]

Hello can we get the world save for 1.1 trailer

[dense violet]

Wdym?

Do you just mean transport systems? Hyper tubes and zip lines

[covert talon]

no like can i run faster

[dense violet]

Blade runners and trucks

[covert talon]

truck?

is it faster than slide jumping?

[dense violet]

Vehicles

Probably not. Less flexible over terrain

[covert talon]

the explorer is painfully slow

wdym?

sliding slows over time

[minor rock]

yeah but the initial velocity is faster

so with some practice you can a bit faster than walking

by cancelling early and sliding again

[covert talon]

yeah i can do it fast consistently u just cant do it uphill

ye

[minor rock]

the best way to get what you want is with a mod

[covert talon]

i can show u if u wnat

[minor rock]

i thought speed boots would be cool too

[dense violet]

Something you’ll have to manage. Or use the other options mentioned

[minor rock]

im making some type of utility mod , what features do you think are worth working on ?

[covert talon]

unfortunate

[dense violet]

It doesn’t take long to slip slide across the whole map.