satisfactory

[round gale]

2 reasons, a LOT of iron there, and it will look cool lol

Not sure I've never actually gotten to tier seven eight before

[lofty forge]

its like to the top of grassy field biome

a lot of copper

looks like a valley

[junior laurel]

100% cool location, I put my SAM reanimation there

[round gale]

I think I can see a couple of the pink trees up on the cliff but I could be wrong

[junior laurel]

Could do iron Alloy if you wanna drag copper there too

[round gale]

Ooo

I know there are some copper nodes near me

What's the yield per iron?

Wait I found the recipe ima do the math rq

[junior laurel]

I am miles away from my desk so I can't tell you.
Click N and search for it to find it for yourself ^.^

[lofty forge]

if you plan on making the entire factory alt recipe

leached is completely ouf of the option

alloy uses almost half the copper on the map (not worth it imo)

[junior laurel]

Leached is a waste of acid.
I'd only use leached caterium

[round gale]

Leached??

[lofty forge]

the only reasanoble one seems basic with limestone

[junior laurel]

Sulfuric acid

[fathom shuttle]

What do you even want to make with that much iron?

[junior laurel]

Alloy isn't that bad considering you can make copper wire from iron.

[round gale]

No clue lol, I'm making my full play throughs worth of iron

[fathom shuttle]

I guess you can make a lot of pipes with the iron pipes recipe

You should probably do 60/min heavy modular frames

[junior laurel]

Get iron pipes. Make encased concrete with just limestone and iron

[round gale]

The latest thing I did was automate a whole bunch of aluminum plates, I'm just getting started with this tier, just prepping XD

[junior laurel]

Iron wire and stitched frames for fun math time

[fathom shuttle]

Unlock alternate recipe first

[round gale]

I had to spend forever making a giant bus of 30 conveyors all hauling ore across the biomes lol

[round gale]

I have a ton unlocked

[junior laurel]

Sad trainless noises

[round gale]

I will make them I SWEAR

I plan on using a bus to transport raw materials, then use trains to transport complete products

[junior laurel]

Choo choon't

[fathom shuttle]

You probably want to get alternates that use lots of iron like iron pipes, iron wire, all iron motors

[junior laurel]

Oops it's all iron

[round gale]

I still haven't tapped a LOT of other types of nodes across the map

I could always do the same thing for every other type of resource lol

[fathom shuttle]

There’s 100k iron on the map

[junior laurel]

Treat SAM with respect.
We love SAM

[junior laurel]

Turn it all into screws.

[junior laurel]

I brought all the SAM on the map to the same location you're working with rn. The gab over the map down south

[round gale]

I could get 33,750 iron ingots?/Min if I did the alloy recipe

[round gale]

How did you design it?

[junior laurel]

If you want cheap sink points.. Just sink reanimated SAM i gained over 300 coupon while building the factory

[round gale]

I plan on making my factory down South, a big circular thing right over the void, with struts sticking out at an angle to hold itself upward over it

But that's all I can think of rn

[fathom shuttle]

You can’t build over it

[lofty forge]

do you have kind of vertical height limit, would all refineries + all the machines even fit in there

[round gale]

I'm prob not gonna do pure recipe so no refineries

[lofty forge]

wait do you mean at the very botoom of the map

[round gale]

Yes you can, I all ready did a lil bit

Very bottom over a giant bottomless pit

[junior laurel]

#design-and-architecture message
And scroll down a bit for more pictures including me using my greenscreen

[lofty forge]

do you mean at coordinates 81,769 / 276,951

[junior laurel]

Oh yeah the video is a bit more down from that link

[round gale]

What even are those machines from the top picture lol

[junior laurel]

Those are constructors. I have them all epic quality skin

[round gale]

I didn't know you could skin Constructors

[junior laurel]

You.. can't.. really

I designed a constructor with beams and stuff all around it, then pasted them around
I really need to finish the bloody thing so I can make a video of it

[round gale]

Ah

[fathom shuttle]

45c outside

[junior laurel]

I would die

Wait, humidity?

[lunar jasper]

can someone tell me where in the world the quarts nodes are in my

screenshot

[junior laurel]

Cave

[round patrol]

Hello guys is it free to setup a server in satisfactory? And how does the server work? Like minecraft server? Where we can play a world even though the world owner ain't present?

[frail sleet]

go east til you hit water, then there is a cave just west of that.

[lunar jasper]

i ran around for way longer then i care to admit

[hazy hawk]

They're underground. There's a cave you can access from the west side where all the coal nodes are. It runs all the way from the west to the east. Hope you like stingers.

[lunar jasper]

ahaaaa

thanks

[junior laurel]

It is protected by some [friends]

[lunar jasper]

nothing some nuclear nobelisks cant fix

[hazy hawk]

You like stingers. Don't you, Squidward.

[junior laurel]

Get the same treatment as lizard doggos do :)

[lunar jasper]

oh god there is a lot of freinds here yes

[junior laurel]

And my beloved SAMual

[willow aurora]

how can I split iron ingots into 135 and 45 across two belts?

[frail sleet]

Put 180 iron ore into 2 smelters making 22.5+22.5, merge their output. Continue the ore belt/s into another 5 smelters making 27 each and merge their output onto another belt. Now you have 45 ingots on one belt and 135 on another

[willow aurora]

Didn't think of that thanks

[subtle palm]

Why do Conveyors extended from Vertical Splitters not align properly? This is extremely frustrating >_<

[torn dust]

Any news on the console release?

[meager spire]

anyone wants to be my friend :/ im new to satisfactory

[torn dust]

I will, i wanna start on my PC

[meager spire]

😄 yay im on pc too

[eager tartan]

Im at like Phase 2 and idk how I shld start w like larger scale productions

any recommendations

[meager spire]

phase 2? what are phases

[steel sluice]

Make what you need

[eager tartan]

Sorry tier 3

[steel sluice]

Don't plan ahead for something you don't know about yet

[eager tartan]

Im more confused onto how I merge multiple iron mines into 1

[coral nebula]

in tier 3 just make enough of things assuming you have the power for it

[eager tartan]

and shld i like delete everything i have rn and like build from scratch or whaa

[subtle palm]

I definitely recommend planning to go vertical at some point. It's the least messy direction to expand.

[eager tartan]

How do I stack build, i saw it on utube

like someone placing things right ontop of eachother at once

[ripe basin]

I was a clown for 2 minutes

[rare thunder]

They should add a notepad item like the coffee cup that you can use to write full pages of notes

[nocturne orbit]

is there a way to copy building on gamepad?

[rare thunder]

You can play with a gamepad??

[nocturne orbit]

big revelation

wasn't that like the big point with release?

yeah I am playing with gamepad now

[rare thunder]

Idk I only use a gamepad for death stranding (the only game that matters)

[meager spire]

is there any groups here that have new people to game? im kind of new and need friends

[boreal musk]

#1201555265942724758

[hazy hawk]

Sounds simple: Take the initial 180/min ingots. Split in half. Split those outputs into halves. Merge three of the outputs to get 135/min, and the other should be 45/min.

[loud ivy]

throttle the machines,easy

[dapper coyote]

what are some good qol mods for my 1.1 playthrough?

[loud ivy]

boring skyscraper builds vs funny chad ocean platforms

[hard ivy]

I use SkyUI for perma day and Hoverpack tweaks to make the hoverpack usable

[leaden turret]

#rules

• Please don't beg for keys/free copies of the game.

[robust thorn]

does anyone have any usefull mods for the game, cause i just started but i cant find a permaday mod for 1.1

[loud leaf]

how do i get hypertube branch?

[ripe basin]

With hypertubes

[loud leaf]

not there

[ripe basin]

Let me check

Did you unlock hypertubes?

[arctic swallow]

you should get them when you unlock hypertubes

[tall lantern]

For a new starter I wouldn't recommend mods at all

[arctic swallow]

of couse in 1.1

[loud leaf]

i am in 1.1

[arctic swallow]

did you unlock them?

[loud leaf]

yes

[arctic swallow]

satisfactory plus

[ripe basin]

Check AWESOME shop

[robust thorn]

ok, but besides that, i cant even download any mods

idk why

[tall lantern]

well that solves your question then 😛

[arctic swallow]

this mod is the best for a new player

[robust thorn]

i finished the tuorial so thats not it

[robust thorn]

if you can help me with setting up my mod manager

[arctic swallow]

you need a mod manager

[loud leaf]

theres only wall attachments and floor hole there

[ripe basin]

Then idk

[robust thorn]

well, i can download them now. but how do i run them

[arctic swallow]

if you have them downloaded you should just open the game i think (i used mods a long time ago so i don't remeber much)

[robust thorn]

ill try and look it up on yt

[spiral summit]

sorry for being the 1 millionth person to ask this but how do you transfer blueprints between saves?

[hard ivy]

Go into the save file folder ( #faq ) and there's a blueprint folder in there, with subfolders for saves.

Move both the blueprint and blueprint config files.

You need to have at least 1 blueprint saved in the 2nd world to have its subfolder appear

[spiral summit]

i see thanks

[lunar jasper]

finally finsished setting up plutonium fuel rods, and now im making a whole 0.75 per minute xD

[loud ivy]

that's not that bad

[lunar jasper]

it does feel a bit sad

so much work for 0.75 per minute

[robust thorn]

i js started but aint that pretty good

[lunar jasper]

i meant per minute mb

[robust thorn]

still ok i think

ficsonium next ig

[loud ivy]

its like 4 npps

[lunar jasper]

first gotta unlock tier 9

what is npps

[willow glen]

nuclear power plant s

[lunar jasper]

aah

well for the minute im sinking the plutonium rods

with the 6 npps running on uranium i have enough power to go to tier 9 i guess

i hope

[maiden notch]

Tier 9: You wouldn't get it

[south sinew]

how much power do you actually have available total?

[lunar jasper]

60k

[south sinew]

that should probably do it yeah

[radiant prawn]

I just discovered manifolds

After 3 years

Am i this stupid

Now i have to rebuild 4 mega complexes

[lavish lance]

Did you load balance for 3 years??

[radiant prawn]

I uhh did like a splitter from one to three belts for 3 years

So yeah load balance but very bad

[tall blaze]

does it actually tell you anything about the machines

or do you just figure it out yourself

[maiden notch]

You'll find out

[tall blaze]

give me another 3 weeks and we'll see

its natural to progress this game pretty slowly right?

[maiden notch]

sometimes

[lavish lance]

Sounds kinda stupid, but sometimes the mindjust shoots to the first solution and then we roll with it for ages

[stark solar]

You can play the game however you want, at whatever pace you want/can manage

[tall blaze]

u right

[maiden notch]

One thing I need to do more often is when I get to the Fuel Generators is retire the coal generators to have more coal for steel

[radiant prawn]

True but i only realized there were other ways when i finally watched someone elses playthrough

I always played it without any info or anything now im watching any and every video i can to see better ways of doing stuff

[open pollen]

I personally had my coal power plant separated from my production stuff so I never had to demolish it. Currently it just runs on its own with no needed interference

[gusty lark]

Do you guys have a building just for storage or no?

[last jungle]

#screenshots message my dog is stuck pls help

hes not able to move i think

[gusty lark]

Ask him to move

[last jungle]

i dont think he understands anyways

[maiden notch]

Depends on the spaghetti situation

[open pollen]

Since I have separate factories that produce different complicated things I don’t have 1 main storage. I have storages at each place for stuff that is needed for building and I connect them to a dimensional depot

[open pollen]

Maybe pick up the berry?

[last jungle]

thats the thing i cant

[leaden turret]

[gusty lark]

Alright, I was wondering just because I just have a chest at the end of all of my machines that collect the stuff

I feel it’d be better for me to make a big chest for each factory when I make it but not sure yet

[last jungle]

uh probably not

[open pollen]

I do that, but I don’t do it everywhere. if like I’m making computers I only have a container for computers and not the previous steps for example

[open pollen]

Welp guess he lives there now

[gusty lark]

Oh alright

[last jungle]

is there some item vacuum thing or smth

[open pollen]

Have you done the MAM research and gotten dimensional depots yet? Those allow you to upload items automatically into like an inventory for personal consumption/building

[open pollen]

Nope. Maybe items de spawn after a while? Not sure tbh

[last jungle]

ok

ill reload save ig

hes stuck again

oh actually nvm

[open pollen]

Is the lizard doggo saved?

[last jungle]

yes

wait i can interact with the coffee machine in HUB building

they made the interior things in the hub interactalbe i think

[open pollen]

Dang I honestly never noticed

[last jungle]

theres a slot in the toilet bruh

[open pollen]

Oh yeah I knew that one. You can flush items to permanently delete them

[frigid nova]

Does anyone else experience a drop in fps when activating camera mode? Is there a solution to this?

[lament niche]

you'll find out

[dark rivet]

ficsit

add boats !

[tall blaze]

for?

[dark rivet]

transportation across the sea

[rare torrent]

how do i start building on to the global grid???

[dark rivet]

Pretty cool imo

[undone yarrow]

"Trucks, tractors etc now float"

and press ctrl walsh

[tall blaze]

like the globe?

[undone yarrow]

foundations snap to the grid if holding control, though be sure to be consistent on if you start with 1m foundations or 2/4m foundations

[tall blaze]

like how russia is close to canada but it just seems far because maps are usually laid down flat not on a sphere

i think thatd be pretty cool actually

but we already have trains so...

[rare torrent]

thx

[versed mirage]

do i have to kickstart coal power plants with biomass burners

[undone yarrow]

The first ones

[open pollen]

You’ll need power to produce the coal and water needed so yes

[versed mirage]

alright

can i get rid of the biomass burners once its started properly

[undone yarrow]

You can have a modest blueprint that includes preloaded burners or, if it isnt your first, connect them to an already active grid

Alien Power Augmentors also work as they provide a decent 550 MW all on their own for kickstarting something remote

[versed mirage]

is there anyway to distribute them evenly my last generator gets like 0 coal

[wide trellis]

hi everyone QQ, the game is not crossplatform? I can't play with a friend on console if I have it on PC right?

[undone yarrow]

load balance instead of manifold feeding

[willow birch]

yes, but you might want to have back up battery or just leave them turned off in case you blow a fuse

[gusty lark]

Isn’t that what a splitter does?

Idk if I even understand you lol

[undone yarrow]

preloading (hi portable miners) and or using a smart splitter so it completely fills each machine in sequence instead of "half to the first, quarter to the second, eighth to the third, etc"

[versed mirage]

its hard to explain but it gets distributed more uneven the more it goes on so the last generator would get alot less than the first generator

[undone yarrow]

Load Balance is a more complex way of building belts, as most first coal plants are around 8 generators it'd be the belt goes into a splitter that goes into 2 more splitters that each go into 2 more splitters that finally go into 2 more splitters for 8

[versed mirage]

ill try it

[undone yarrow]

but as long as input matches need you can also just use a portable miner to prefill the machines to use the much simpler "manifold" loading method

(by the way: Compacted Coal's ugly decimal is just 1/7th if you use it or 50 compacted coal for 7 generators)

[versed mirage]

what does that mean 😭

im new

[rare thunder]

does dismantling a building refund everything or just a part of the materials?

[undone yarrow]

refunds everything

[rare thunder]

slay

[undone yarrow]

"Manifold" is where you just have everything in a line where splitter one fills machine one, splitter two feeds machine two.

it's probably how you have it built atm*

[green fiber]

everything always gets refunded when you dismantle it

[versed mirage]

yea whats load balancing tho

how do you set it up

[green fiber]

precise output tuned for each machine

got 8 machines that need 7.5/min each?
you need an input of 60/min and split it into 8 equal parts

[rare thunder]

bruh

its a link to the wiki

[green fiber]

what page was it again?

[rare thunder]

google "satisfactory balancer" go to the first link and theres some images

[green fiber]

!wikisearch balancer

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=balancer

[green fiber]

there we go

[rare thunder]

nice

[undone yarrow]

That splitter chain I described

Splitters evenly give to each output (limited by belt speed) so if you have your miner feeding a splitter with 2 outputs, each one will get half

[green fiber]

idk why some wiki links arent whitelisted, but wikisearch can usually do it anyway

[undone yarrow]

The two downsides of load balancing is it takes a lot more space and can be more complex to set up, especially if the goal isn't divisible by 2 or 3... buuuut its great for coal generators (and later nuclear generators) because it lets all of them start up quicker and evenly

[warm walrus]

i just tried designing a factory to use ficsonium fuel rods and i just end up in negative Watts. Is that possible?

[stark solar]

Yes. F isco nium is just good to consume waste

[undone yarrow]

Ficsonium itself is barely net positive on energy if you don't overclock

[stark solar]

(you really should be preloading your coal plants instead of worrying about even supplies)

[warm walrus]

maybe i'll just sink the plutonium fuel rods instead of using them for nuclear power plants

[undone yarrow]

Ficsonium and Ionzed fuel are both basically memes for actual power generation

You can use fuel rods as waste free vehicle fuel btw, Plutonium is even tied for fastest drone fuel in the game

[true mulch]

Fandom

[green fiber]

ah. makes sense

[true mulch]

The fandom wiki is not maintained

[green fiber]

we be on wiki.gg now

[versed mirage]

ok i fixed it by splitting the first splitter into 3 instead of 2 and leading the other path to the last generator

it works okay now

im gonna afk on it to make sure it doesnt break for a couple minutes

[green fiber]

generally, you can assume that Ficsonium power output is about half the power that plutonium made.
So if you make like 10000 MW with plutonium and use 5000 MW to recycle it into ficsonium, that barely counts as not being power negative (as it is net 0)

plus, the variable power demand of quantum encoders, converters and acceleratoes pushes the needed power way up if you try to cover them completely and NOT just their average power demand

[rare thunder]

and also fandom is owned and operated by the kkk

[warm walrus]

time to load my inventory with plutonium waste and shoot myself to another planet

[undone yarrow]

Safe travels Patat

[true mulch]

the crate will end up where you last touched the ground

why not just make a blueprint for waste storage and store it normally

[rare thunder]

not always true

sometimes it lags behind a couple of seconds

[undone yarrow]

Oh? did the fix the rail gun crate delete?

[warm walrus]

every now and then my crate dissapears

at least that's what i think

could be i just lost it

[true mulch]

the marker disappears on relog

[rare thunder]

is there a way to disable fog?

[green fiber]

you know you could just turn the waste to ficsonium (NOT fuel rods)
and then drag them into the trash in your inventory

[true mulch]

!wikisearch console

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=console

[true mulch]

r.fog 0

[rare thunder]

so no options?

sadge

[tired cypress]

Press ` and type r.fog 0

[green fiber]

not an option, console command only

[true mulch]

why would you want to do that via options

it makes the game look really ugly

[radiant prawn]

Graphics options def

[rare thunder]

i wanna see my building across the canyon

[radiant prawn]

But it takes away the beauty

[tired cypress]

There's also a way to edit config file to make it permanent

[true mulch]

try the console command and see how it looks

[rare thunder]

dont console commands disable achievements?

[true mulch]

nope

[rare thunder]

alr

[true mulch]

the only thing that explicitly disables achievements is AGS

[rare thunder]

ok its ugly asf 💀

[tired cypress]

I find the game looks so much better without it. I can actually see where I'm going! I'd rather it be a setting so I can turn it down to like 10% instead of completely off though

[rare thunder]

yeah percentages would be nice

[tired cypress]

The normal fog is so thick I should be able to swim in it

[rare thunder]

also i wish you could clip power towers into the ground so you could have a low one you could start ziplining from more easily

[tired cypress]

I just always build the platform version. Not sure when you'd ever want the non-platform one tbh

[rare thunder]

you still gotta climb

[tired cypress]

Or jump pad!

[rare thunder]

lemme check if its high enough

[true mulch]

looks clean

still funny how one of the few buildings explicitly intended to be built directly on the ground doesn't have those dynamic legs

[tired cypress]

Best you can do is build one in a lower area so the wires reach the ground

[true mulch]

so it just looks dumb on slopes

[rare thunder]

hell yeah it works

[rare thunder]

theres stuff with dynamic legs?

[tired cypress]

btw did enemies get buffed in 1.1? Seems like spitters can just rapid-fire attack with no cooldown, Hatchers are basically half your health gone instantly, and all but the weakest hogs are practically immune to explosives unless you land it perfectly on them

[rare thunder]

im too good at videogames to notice that

[tired cypress]

And the spiders I swear can turn invisible now

[true mulch]

build a smelter directly on the ground

[tired cypress]

Or a container halfway off a small cliff

🤔 I wonder how long those can be

[rare thunder]

Oh those

[prisma forge]

what software do you guys use to plan where to put the buildings of a factory?

[true mulch]

None, you can just build it directly as dismantling is free

[lost wagon]

can you make the same train stop in multiple places to get different resouces to bring somewhere? Or you have to use 1 train per "production line"?

[true mulch]

You can add as many stops to a timetable as you want

[lost wagon]

because shit is getting to the point where stuff asks for resouces that are in the 4 corners of the map and you have to pick the best place so you do the least amount of transport lmao

[prisma forge]

not exaclty what I meant

[true mulch]

Sounds like multiple trains would be a better solution then

A very long round trip will mean the train will have really low throughput

[lost wagon]

oh no, I won't use a train for all, just have to find the place that is closest of the most resouces it needs and transport just the ones that aren't

[true mulch]

Well https://autumnfallstudios.itch.io/salt exists but I don't really see the point of using such tools when you can just build stuff directly

[true mulch]

Good strategy

[fallen violet]

man i love caterium computers

i should had done this sooner

[viral tendon]

#screenshots message This sucks

[true mulch]

What are those splitters 💀

!wikisearch manifold

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[viral tendon]

What is wrong

[lost wagon]

use the lift and floor hole so you can put all that spaghetti under the foundation

same same but different lmao

[true mulch]

Crisscrossing belts

[viral tendon]

Yeah i'm not doing alat

[true mulch]

That's...easier to do than what you did

[fallen violet]

isnt what they did already a manifold though

[lost wagon]

since I found out about making underground belts, whatever mess is under the foundation doesn't exist to me

[fallen violet]

just... not a very organised one

[true mulch]

[viral tendon]

Would be hell to upgrade the factory later

[viral tendon]

Yeah sorry i'm not doing alat for factory 😭

[fallen violet]

not like you need to upgrade factories often

[lost wagon]

I build vertically so it wouldn't be as bad

[true mulch]

Oh you're right, it's a double-sided manifold that wraps around to one side

[lost wagon]

just the first layer would need to fuck around the blighttown under it

[true mulch]

So... You did actually build this already

[fallen violet]

yeah at the end of the day its load balancing one way or another

just... not very clearly

[viral tendon]

I saw pictures and they look way better than what i have

[fallen violet]

you just need to see the embedded picture

not the ones inside the link

the black and white, simple graph

[true mulch]

I mean, it's simple, you have a row of machines, so you build a splitter in front of each one and connect it up

[viral tendon]

Now i need 20 encased beams per minute and 450 fucking screws per minute

[true mulch]

Make screws directly in front of each machine that uses screws

[bitter lodge]

steel screws :>?

[viral tendon]

[viral tendon]

Fair enough but fuck screws

[willow birch]

can you get a recipe that takes out screws?

[viral tendon]

Nearest coal node is 1000m away

[viral tendon]

For what item exactly

[prisma forge]

I can see the bigger picture. Easier to manage everything if I can see everything.

[willow birch]

you said you need 450 screws per min. what are you trying to build?

[fallen violet]

damn i thought i could easily get rid of heavy oil with petroleom coke

what the hell is that production rate i have like 5 sinks already w full mk5 belts 😭

[viral tendon]

Heavy modular frame

I have 2 recipes one of them is alt and they both include encased industrial beam

Which is made of steel beams

And there's recipe for screws that's made out of steel bemas

So no point

[fallen violet]

you can get rid off screws completely for heavy modular frames

[bitter lodge]

Heavy encased frame recipe right?

[viral tendon]

Yeah ik

There's just no point if i can make screws with beams

That are needed for encased beams

And i already set up my production to have exactly the same thingies

And recipe without scrws needs more modular frames

[fallen violet]

personally i think heavy modular frame factories are a bit of a trap

they are barely used till the next frame many tiers ahead, and by that point youll have better miners and belts and everything

[bitter lodge]

Iron pipes, then beams can be made with pipes and concrete :>

[fallen violet]

i usually do a half assed hmf factory till like, tier 9

which requires you to do a very good one

[gusty lark]

He just never released that lmao

Always the YouTube shorts scammers

[open pollen]

I think the reason it looks so chaotic is that you put the splitters/mergers super far away from the machines when you can just put them right next to each other

[stark solar]

There are times I wish we had better control over the output of containers - ordering, stop/start, etc.

[untold moat]

there is a mod that can help with that, i believe it was called FICSIT Systems...

[magic glade]

is 15 P/m iron ok for the cats screw recipe?

cause thats 12.5

[peak wasp]

hellooo 😄

question: what is the best recipe for contrete between alternative with water or with silica ? (i discovery now t5 schema)

[undone yarrow]

For screws? its not uncommon to make them in line with the machine in question

[undone yarrow]

I don't know if "Fine Concrete" is ever worth using, where as "Wet Concrete" has quite a few use cases even beyond making personal use concrete

[magic glade]

well rn its just T2 build rn

i havent made Reinforced plates, rotors or modular frames yet

[peak wasp]

yup sorry i need a massive production for use concrete with other alternative recipe and encased

[fallen violet]

wet concrete, not only for making concrete but also for draining water

[undone yarrow]

Wet for sure. Water is pretty much anywhere. Quartz not so much...

And Wet has a stupid high per minute so its quick to set up

[peak wasp]

oky same idea but the high value of output give me some dubt.

Thanks ;D

[lost wagon]

wdym a chainsaw doesn't use normal fuel like an actual chainsaw smh my head

[undone yarrow]

Solid Bio only for reasons

[fallen violet]

what are the reasons

[lost wagon]

reasons of making my jetpack also use solid instead of the other

[magic glade]

its not a fluid burning chain saw

simple

[fallen violet]

true

its a chainsaw that works with wooden logs

like most chainsaws do

[magic glade]

more like composted leaves or compacts leaves

[lost wagon]

they should change the sound of it then, because that's the sound of a liquid burning chainsaw, game is unplayable

[fallen violet]

yeah like the jetpack, letme put rocket fuel on it and blast all the trees

[lost wagon]

how this game is about exploitation and we don't have a Flamethrower????????????

[magic glade]

cause deforestation is more effective

[lost wagon]

yes but nobody picks up weed with their hand anymore, it's either poison or flamethrower

[magic glade]

omg its a factory builder simualtor, it doesnt gotta be realistiuc

[untold moat]

because cluster nobelisks

[stark solar]

Syzzle: Plenty of people weed by hand. It's very satisfying. Like gardening in general

[lost wagon]

plenty of people that aren't in the farming business you mean

we don't do hobbies here

[stark solar]

The pioneer is not a farmer either

[magic glade]

question, see if there is a part of lan surrounded by urnaium nodes, is there uranium on top?

[mortal ginkgo]

it is to test if you can handle the task given. I would spoil the lore of why you are sent there to grab stuff at first but there is a reason the tasks progressively get harder instead of fully ready at start.

[lost wagon]

exaclty, we're a earth destroyer

[mortal ginkgo]

you are not a destroyer, you are meant to exploit.

you cant exploit something you burn

so no flametowers

[lost wagon]

can I cause a nuclear meltdown

[stark solar]

The game does not have disasters

[mortal ginkgo]

you already seem to be in a meltdown, no need

[lost wagon]

no flame grenade sadly

wait a minute, I can make fabric, canister and fuel, I can make a molotov

[rare thunder]

building materials can be used straight from the pocket dimension but what about ammo and nobelisks?

[stark solar]

no you gotta pull them out first

[untold moat]

my brother, we literally have pocket nukes

the only reason why there is greenery on the planet is because we let it exist

[fallen violet]

more like

there is no reason to harvest it

[lost wagon]

but with fire we can leave it slowly suffering

it's not cool, it's hot

walk in spider caves and just set everything on fire

[viral tendon]

Can we all agree that ceiling light zoop mode will be gamechanging

[lost wagon]

how good they are at lighting inside caves? Didn't test if street light are enough there and Floodlight are too big lmao

[fallen violet]

it would be p cool to see some kind of zoop mode, but once we zooped, we can input keys like nudge to add an even spacing between the zoops

[viral tendon]

Well

Ceiling lights are very nice

But they just light up the square

Not like they would irl

Zoop mode for ceiling light will be actual peak

Automating fused modular frame is actual living hell

[leaden ether]

Yeah, the lighting is very disappointing, even with the full world illumination turned up they are VERY weak with ambient lighting. Though Satisfactory isn't the only game with this issue.

[viral tendon]

They cover up like 1 foundation

Come on satisfactory

[fallen violet]

do modular factories

[untold moat]

this is unironically the best reason I have seen to implement flamethrowers

[leaden ether]

IMHO it's the heavy mod frame that is hell, the fused part is easy (Assuming you have an aluminum factory already).

[untold moat]

however, i think a nobelisk launcher would be funnier, especially if there was a full auto version

[viral tendon]

Heavy mod frame is pretty hard

[leaden ether]

But the heavy mod frame is a LOT of work for what seems like kind of a mid tier item.

[viral tendon]

It's easy from zero

[lost wagon]

then we can fight aliens like we're playing TF2

[viral tendon]

Idk how to say

It's like not that hard but not easy

Ngl fused modular frame from zero like i do is something

Like genuinely all new nodes

I like doing automated factories for items without using other factories

[untold moat]

you must not use a lot of trains then...

[viral tendon]

That i've already built

[leaden ether]

Heavy Modular Frames and Radio Control Units IMHO are like my nemesis in that you need a lot of them and they are particularly hard to make in quantity.

[viral tendon]

Just somersloop them

You odn't really need a lot of them

And radio control unit might be annoying

But i did both without any big struggles

[leaden ether]

I did use trains a fair amount in my last build, and plan on going nuts with them in this new build :D In fact trains are why the fudes mod frame step was so easy really.

Yeah I ended up slooping the RCUs last time. I needed 37/min and I just made 20 and slooped them to 40 :/

[viral tendon]

When i'll finish i'll show you my fused modular frame factory

[untold moat]

NGL the challenge run im on is starting to drive me a bit crazy, since i don't have the power capacity to automate things other than solid biomass rn (I have to sink half of my final item production)

[viral tendon]

What could POSSIBLY need 37 rcu's/m

[lost wagon]

I should move my hub, going back there everytime is getting annoying

[viral tendon]

Do you really need to go there that often?

[leaden ether]

There were atleast three different things. One was one of the motors and another was something in the alien tech factory. I don't remember everything, but the total needed came out to 37 :/

[lost wagon]

when I realize if I had unlocked this specific milestone right now I could use it

[viral tendon]

Just use em trains

[thorny valley]

For blue prints do i download the sbp or the sbp config or both?

From scim

[lost wagon]

can I assume the milestones are in order? Like Monorail Train is after Industrial Manufacturing, which means that to make the trains I will need stuff I need to make with Manufacturers

[sullen gull]

Just the BP if you don't care about editing it

[stark solar]

You don't have to do them strictly in order, not even tiers

[sullen gull]

The SPB also if you want to edit it later

[stark solar]

It's the space elevator progression that imposes some order, as well as reqs to unlock each stage

but the item reqs can also be met with stuff from crash sites

[leaden ether]

So 20 RCU to make 5 Turbo motors, another 10 for pressure conversion cubes which eventually went into making singularity cells for feeding teleporters. I'd have to do more digging for the other 7 but that was the bulk of them

[latent prawn]

supercomputers the expensive, easy way?

[fallen violet]

not necesarily, so best to check

[fallen violet]

module your factories

dedicate one to computers, then other to ai limiters and another to high speed connectors

[latent prawn]

the question was at Farsei, not asking for advice 🙂

[fallen violet]

oh alright

[latent prawn]

and i meant that the RCU+cooling system recipe for them is really expensive

[ancient gate]

how many wires andd cables should i get per min. im in phase zero trying to complete tier2 with factories.

[leaden ether]

Oh heh.. I'm not sure what exactly my thought process was. Ther are so many factors. I know I was already awash with cooling units at that point so maybe that plus needing RCUs for the singularity cells made it the best choice at the time. But that is a good example of how everyones needs get individualised a lot by mid to late game.

Oh interestingly I used the Super-State Computer recipie for the super computers which had me making batteries which was annoying but THAT seemed like the least work at the time for me.

[latent prawn]

in my mathing out stuff, the only way i've found to make supercomps that doesn't blow the map resources for max nuclear is by using the default recipe, which can be done without aluminum

superstate uses less resources overall, but still requires aluminum, and that's a cost you want to avoid anywhere you can so that more can go to making PCC's

[leaden ether]

Heh interesting.

[obsidian aurora]

fluids seem super bugged in this version cause some pipes just dont fill up with fluid and sometimes pipes dont work
also my pumps display 200m^3 flow rate but the pipes are completely empty

i cant pin point what the issue is and how to fix it

[latent prawn]

when you're maxing, the oc supercomp recipe just takes way too much

[obsidian aurora]

ive tried destroying the pipe and placing it back but that works like 1% of the time

has anyone else had this issue?

[latent prawn]

trace the pipe and find what section is failing to fill. either headlift is a problem or a pipe misconnected in the middle somewhere. often just rebuilding the sides of a junction can resolve that

pipes failing to connect properly is pretty rare, but it does happen.

i'd place my money on it being a headlift issue

[leaden ether]

I'll be revisiting all those decisions on this new run through. I'm not going super maxing anything but upping my game at all stages. I'm putting the finishing touches on a 160 GW (Before boosting) RF power plant to get me started.

SO like doubling or more of all the parts over the last run.

[latent prawn]

yeah, really all of it doesn't really matter unless you're looking to build max ficsonium nuclear

[leaden ether]

I did max out the nodes in a couple areas last time so this run I'll have to start combining ores or atleast the first products from them from multiple locations which wil be a huge logistical requirement upgrade.

[obsidian aurora]

it seems to be an issue with placing pumps on a pipe

it works fine when i place the pump by itself and then connect the pipes to it

[obsidian aurora]

it was saying 0.5m headlift when it should be 10m

[leaden ether]

Uh okay that might be because of a long standing bug with pipe and belt attachments. If you are a little too far away from the pipe/belt when you attach something to it, it does not split the pipe and the thing just sits there visually while doing nothing.

[latent prawn]

that's common as well. as just a prophylaxis for that, when you splice a pump on a pipe, delete both sides and rebuild the pipes going in and coming from the pump

[spice patio]

That reading is what is being used, not what can be provided.

[obsidian aurora]

ik

[obsidian aurora]

yeah ik but the weird thing is that i did do that and it still didnt work

[leaden ether]

I was SUPER disappointed that this bug was not fixed in 1.1 I run into it a lot.

[south plume]

In satisfactory calculator there is a production planner. Do you know if I can change the default miner? It's mk3 and I'm not there yet

[latent prawn]

yeah, as far as i can tell, there's still a bug in the code where pipe network headlift fails to get updated after some sequence of build steps. haven't ever been able to isolate the behavior into a failing test though

[hard ivy]

The world would be a better place if that planner didn't exist

I suggest you use something else instead

[sullen gull]

What is so wrong with SCIM' calc?

[hard ivy]

Try calculating the recycling loop on it :)

And it has other issues, too, like making mistakes, using biocoal to make coal instead of fucking mining it

Its building summary is useless

[sullen gull]

That's just a matter of deselecting alts you don't want, just like SFT

[stark solar]

Bad defaults can make a tool less usable

[hard ivy]

Tools doesn't conjure biomass out of nowhere to make coal

SCIM's recipe choice is "whatever is higher on the list"

[south plume]

Would you recommend other calculators?

[hard ivy]

Satisfactory Tools

[south plume]

Right thanks man will look into it

[sullen gull]

How is it a "bad" default? It's a recipe that is available in game. I have never tried loops with it so I can't speak to that. But, if I had to guess, it's the same with using Loops in modeler. You have to either tailor the source. SFT sucks ass imo because it bases everyting off of World resources. And, has the same issues with having to deselect alts that one doesn't want. Imo, modeler wins out EXCEPT for the ability to automnagically generate production chains. Which, Imo, stunts the 'learning' aspect you all love to toute.

[stark solar]

biocoal is a bad default because usually you're looking to automate stuff with a planner

and biocoal doesn't come from an automatable source

[lost wagon]

when pulling a split in a factory line so you can have materials used for building machines in the storage (and DD) is it better to use a smart splitter making it priorize the factory and once the machine it's feeding is full in the input it send everything the machine isn't using to the storage or just a normal splitter that will eventually achieve the same thing at the end, just take longer

[hard ivy]

I'd say it's best to have a factory dedicated to the DD

[untold moat]

IMHO all tools have their uses. justb ecause it doesn't fit your usecase doesn't mean its a bad tool, its just one one meant for you

[sullen gull]

Again, it's personal preference. Biocoal isn't "bad", it just doesn't allow for an automated setup and for niche setups.

[stark solar]

Again, it's not that it's totally invalid as a recipe, but it doesn't fit the normal use case of a planner - building automated setups

[lost wagon]

I ask because I don't see the point of making one factory for plastic for DD if I have one for Fuel that is underclocked because I get more oil than it uses

[sullen gull]

And niether does basing the calculations off of WORLD resources imo. Hence why SFT is annoying. outside of that, the layout it provides it also horrid.

[untold moat]

thats your use for planners. some people use it to get an idea for recipe flow, some people use it as an exact set of instructions. there are lots of different use cases, don't assume yours is the default or only use case

[stark solar]

Part of designing software (which I do, as a scientist and software engineer) is to focus on common use cases and have the defaults try to match that.

Pioneer: I don't assume it's the only use case, just the most common one.

[tall blaze]

did yall swap from coal factories to fuel powered gen at once or over time?

[hard ivy]

It's not enabled by default, but if you use "enable all" or "load from save" buttons, it will be enabled. And because the dumbass calculator sometimes decides to use it, it makes those buttons kinda useless. Because you have to manually choose all recipes regardless

[untold moat]

satisfactory tools already stated they are designed for the flow of resources, not for exact instructions on machines

[stark solar]

If you oppose the basic idea of defaults because some edge case might have a user, you're going to make bad choices when designing things.

[sullen gull]

And, a "software engineer" who can't type a simple @ key. smh

[stark solar]

Tinker: Deal with it.

[untold moat]

kept my coal gens running while i got my fuel system, up, and had them both running at the same time. only reason to tear something down in my use case is if its redundant AND you need the resources elsewhere

[tall blaze]

hmm

smart

[stark solar]

I also use vim instead of vscode, screen instead of tmux, and don't use GenML to prototype code. I'm a bit old-fashioned with some choices I make in life. Happens when you're in your late 40s.

[lime ermine]

I'm at the very end of the game building a nuclear power plant and my first coal gens are still running

[untold moat]

also also for the record about Satisfactory Tools, Greeny said they are working on overhauling the tools in general to make them much better, but hasn't had a lot of time to work on it

[leaden ether]

Or it's just seriously Fugly-ing up your scenery :D (I tore down several early game things for this reason.

[thorny valley]

#dedicated-servers message

[naive pendant]

@lost wagon Most of my factories for items used as buildables as well as downstream consumption use smart splitters to prioritize in order:

1. downstream consumption
2. Dimensional depot
3. Awesome sink
   Care is taken to ensure slight iten overproduction to guarantee the DD eventually fills.

[sullen gull]

No, it's just plain stubbornness. I am also in my 40's, also use vim/linux, blah blah, but I know how to make my life, and others, more simple by using the apps as designed.

[stark solar]

Tinker: I am not saying don't use it as designed, I'm saying it could have better defaults.

[untold moat]

to each their own. some people like speedrunning the game, some people hand craft everything until fuel power. Everyone has unique preferances, and as such, its best to not assert a way as best until you know what the people are looking for

[untold moat]

please use the reply function or just @ them.

[sullen gull]

Right, because clicking reply on a post, or adding an @ in front of a name is soooooo hard.

[stark solar]

Pioneer: Please don't tell me how to talk

[hard ivy]

Yeah, new tools are probably gonna be the best calculator once it releases.

Many people were asking for custom resource weights, so I'm hoping we're gonna get them.

[leaden ether]

I can't tell you how many times I've run into people on various discords that get FURIOUS if you @ them even in the middle of having an active conversation with them. It's impossible to please everyone.

[untold moat]

custom weights were in the beta version, along with optimization for power and building count IIRC

[hard ivy]

Eh, if only Satisfactory Optimizer had a GUI and a grapher...

[wicked marlin]

Shouldn’t the hoverpack be able to consume batteries when it cant connect to a grid? 🤔

[untold moat]

that would be smart, but could also be very difficult to code in.

[stark solar]

Slime: Would be a fun idea. Find a suggesti for it on the QA site and give it a thumbs up

[untold moat]

(or if there isn't one, add it)

[hard ivy]

It would be nice, but unfortunately the devs apparently decided they want the hoverpack to be borderline useless

[vestal mica]

old people struggle with new technology. leave him alone

[wicked marlin]

Tf you mean i use it the most lmao

[stark solar]

It's not borderline useless, it's actually the best way to work on a large factory

[sullen gull]

It's still slow and hovering around with the jetpack with LBF or Ionized wins

[hard ivy]

I think you meant small, because I tried to use it on a large factory several times, and every time it was worse than a jetpack with LBF

[stark solar]

This love some people have for LBF confounds me

[sullen gull]

Obviously there is a lot that does

[stark solar]

jetpacks don't let you stay in place.

[hard ivy]

Have you never used it or something?

[naive pendant]

The fact that people here are saying both jetpack and hoverpack are the better option indicates the devs balanced them well.

[hard ivy]

Skill issue. Just tap space

[stark solar]

With the hoverpack you can stay entirely still indefinitely

[wicked marlin]

LBF?
Eh the man can be efficient how he likes. As long as you satisfy the factory you’re all good.

[sullen gull]

Liquid Bio Fuel

[hard ivy]

If you're within 60 meters from a power connection. Which is like at least half of what it'd need to be to be useful

[sullen gull]

LBF and Ioniozed are the two longest lasting fuels for the jetpack.

[stark solar]

KYO: In a factory is that not often the case for you?

[lime ermine]

Hoverpack is good for building, jetpack is good for movement and exploring

[leaden ether]

Yeah I couldn't love without the hoverpack when factory building. But I hate the constant VOOP VOOP VOOP sound it makes -.-

[sullen gull]

Not when you don't have all the power ran yet

[hard ivy]

Considering the hoverpack is unlocked later and it's supposed to have a different purpose, the fact that there are people who prefer the jetpack over it for building means it's badly balanced

[stark solar]

Tinker: I usually use the hoverpack to run that power first thing if it's not everywhere I need it to be

[sterile blade]

Long Burn Fuel

[wicked marlin]

Ah i thought so but wasnt sure.
I have a tower of ten or more large cargo containers full of the stuff, feeding a DD uploaded so i have basically infinite jetpack fuel.

[covert talon]

Any tips for a fresh world?
Also how do I make giant factories with such uneven terrain

[wicked marlin]

And yes the factory feeding that storage has as many sloops as possible.

[leaden ether]

I do always set up the perimiter power on each new floor before placing machines

[stark solar]

Jahson: Pick the starting location that strikes you as the most interesting/fun

[sullen gull]

Take a gander through #screenshots and #design-and-architecture and you may get some ideas

[latent prawn]

foundations are your friend. you have to build up and over the terrain

[undone yarrow]

That early on, a single contrusctor each is more than enough.

But the honest answer to "how many x should I make?" is always however many you want to make. If you make more per minute of something it means less time spent waiting after everything is up, but more time making the thing

[naive pendant]

@hard ivy Sure. Feel free to feature request to the devs.

[covert talon]

Thanks

[covert talon]

What do I do when there’s only 3 ish nodes around

[stark solar]

Jahson: Use belts?

[wicked marlin]

Not really? Just let the hoverpack consume them at the same rate the jetpack consumes basic fuel (the orange one) but only when its not connected to a grid. The battery itself currently using is removed from the inventory.
Same as the JP

[stark solar]

right when you start the game you'll run between a few nodes to manually mine stuff you need, but you'll be starting to use belts and machines pretty quickly

[hard ivy]

Change your definition of "around" and suddenly there's more

[covert talon]

Should I belt them to my hub or make the factory near the deposit

[stark solar]

either works

[sullen gull]

My vote goes for building near the lake in the rocky desert. 3 pure iron, pure copper, cat, and a lot of limstone. There is another location in the northern forest that is a tad better, but I have never built there.

[stark solar]

but eventually you'll be making parts that need more than one resource

[wicked marlin]

Depends on what logistics you have. If you have at least trackers and coal when you can build it pretty far.

[stark solar]

My main base with the dune desert is generally near 2600, -1600

(and the dune desert is my fav' place to start)

[covert talon]

https://gyazo.com/8689ac94c8352fca19e2add2121ffd8b

this is where i build on the second map

[stark solar]

second map? Huh?

[sullen gull]

You can post pictures in #screenshots .

[covert talon]

#screenshots message

[stark solar]

There is only one map. The starting locations are just distant places on that same map

[covert talon]

ig reakky

im in some like beach type area

[heady radish]

Ran into my first extreme annoyance with this game, Why is their a REMOVE all on Death Crate?! Like I needed the items I had on me!!??

[stark solar]

You may not always have room to fully collect a death crate

[untold moat]

do you mean SCIM?

[sullen gull]

No, in game, when you go to a death/dismantle crate, it has a remove all option that deletes everything in the crate.

[covert talon]

can i have two bases at once

[sullen gull]

Insatead of transfering it to your pack

[stark solar]

you can have as many bases as you want

[frail sleet]

you can have 517 bases

[stark solar]

A base is not even a well-defined concept in the game. Is it a single machine? A belt? 2 machines? Some storage?

[sullen gull]

The hub or elevator does not have to be up all the time. You can dismantle and move then whereever/whenever you want.

[lost wagon]

yea, that's what I was thinking on this one since it's all underclocked

[sullen gull]

However you can only build one at a time.

[reef basin]

or that people don't like change, a classic

[stark solar]

Or possibly that people don't realize how awesome the jetpack is with rocket fuel or don't like switching fuels

[fallen violet]

switching hoverpack constantly is too bothersome for me, so i just usually play with a mod that increases by 3 the radius of the hoverpack

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen gull]

Rocket fuel, compared to LBF or Ionized, sucks. Sure, great (almost too much) thrust, but lasts for shit. (moderately better than TF, but doesn't hold a candle to the aforementioned two.)

[sullen gull]

If not aware, when you open your inventory, you can use 1-6 on your keyboard for the items across the top

[fallen violet]

aware and unamused

[stark solar]

Tinker: Rocket fuel has a faster vertical boost than ionized fuel

[sullen gull]

And, only way (that I have found) to get it to the #1 slot is by removing any edibles.

[sullen gull]

If that's what you think makes it great, then 👍

[stark solar]

Tinker: That's what I use a jetpack for

Rapid ascent

[fallen violet]

why are you replying by citing the name

[covert talon]

when im still on biofuel should i just make a giant grid and connect everything to that

[sullen gull]

Yeah, they've been told. Just apparently like to be annoying.

[stark solar]

Jahson: Up to you.

[fallen violet]

maybe they are roleplaying as ada

[stark solar]

Tinker: Yeah, everyone who doesn't do things they way you want them to is just trying to be annoying.

[fallen violet]

is there a particular reason then?

[stark solar]

Duck: I use a lot of different chat systems and use the same habits on each of them

[fallen violet]

then you can see why its annoying if its not for a particular (valid) reason

[sullen gull]

With Bio, I suggest making just over what you are needing. When you get to Coal, you will be able to automate power and won't need the bioful anymore (provided you make enough with coal to surpase your need that is)

[leaden ether]

Thing about RF in the jet pack though is that height = distance. So you don't NEED a long burn time if it has high vertical speed. You just tap the space bar and you float along. Then when you NEED height you got it. Plus the fuel is easy to get as a little off feed of your RF power plant. IMHO it's the perfect jetpack fuel.

[fallen violet]

it reduces visibility when you reply to someone

[stark solar]

Duck: Whether you see that as valid is up to you.

[fallen violet]

well its objectively less visible than the actual reply feature

meaning i have to put more effort into finding your reply

[sullen gull]

You do understand you are that single individual yelling at the masses saying "BUT I'M RIGHT!" right?

[stark solar]

Tinker: I don't care.

[sullen gull]

Well, this is clear.

[fallen violet]

not caring and denying that is annoying is different

you can not care, and thats up to you, but youre just being a contrarian

[stark solar]

I told you the reasons, but if you insist it's just being contrarian, I don't care to argue further.

[sullen gull]

Ohhh, forgot about that word.... goood word 😏

[fallen violet]

you did not told a reason about why its not annoying, no. but yeah, doesnt seem like the conversation will yield much results, so lets leave it there

[covert talon]

can i get rid of the giant poison bulbs

[sullen gull]

You should probably care, because I guarantee this is not the last time someone will say something to you.

[mortal ginkgo]

The amount of daily drama he causes and just constantly explains his side should be more effort than "getting use to pressing that reply button".

[sullen gull]

Yes, with Nobelisks a bit later

[leaden ether]

Speaking of rocket fuel... My plant was just completed mechanically. I do plan to pretty it up. #screenshots message
I didn't really pay much attention to the much smaller one I made in my last build but this plant is literally ALL pipes. Like 95% of the resources and intermediate materials are all liquids and gasses. Definitely not a project till you are comfortable with them :D

[stark solar]

Tinker: If I were the sort of person who regularly bows to peer pressure or is annoyed by it, maybe. But I'm not.

[fallen violet]

what a brave man

[sullen gull]

I.E. I don't give two shits about the courtesy of others. Only what I want and be damned. ...

[mortal ginkgo]

This guy got issues and it isn't the "reply button", I am telling you lot.

[open pollen]

720 generators…… you poor soul

[sullen gull]

I feel sorry for his pets. If any.

[stark solar]

Tinker: IE conform conform even on small things that don't make a difference you had better do what I want I am totally cool with freaking out when others don't talk the same way I do

[sullen gull]

🤦‍♂️. 👍

[leaden ether]

I blueprinted 4 of them with as much electrical and piping as I could. So it was slightly less tedious. (Actually it sped up the placement of the towers by probably 6-8 times really)

[open pollen]

That’s good, I was fearing for your sanity otherwise 😆

[rare thunder]

can someone help in #screenshots

[leaden ether]

Heh.. even with that, you put on some music and it becomes a rhythm. It's amazing how much listening to music when doing the boring brainless parts of the work helps the time go by quickly

[sullen gull]

That doesn't give much info. Is the route to ANY full?

[fallen violet]

is the main path filled?

[rare thunder]

yes

ill send another one sec

[fallen violet]

make sure the belt is not splitted

remove the belt and make sure its one long belt

[sullen gull]

For future reference as well, it's usually much better to post the request for help and all info (screenshots, mods, etc) in #1038092680493801533 . It allows for keeping the issue a bit more contained instead of jumping over other conversations/drama in general chat.

[fallen violet]

if you place the splitter in a belt intersection it wont do anything

[reef basin]

generally you want to put these in #1038092680493801533

[rare thunder]

deleting the input belt and remaking it worked ffor some reason

[rare thunder]

i didnt wanna make a new thread ngl 😭

[reef basin]

that's... literally what the threads are for though?

[fallen violet]

i did told you the reason, yes

[rare thunder]

wdym by intersection

[fallen violet]

two belts meeting

[rare thunder]

i placed it on an existing belt that went 1 way

[reef basin]

instead you posted in two different channels and the conversation gets mixed with other ones here 😛

[lost wagon]

or let us use the way too many hotbars to add tools to it

[fallen violet]

or just let us automatically equip the jetpack if no power grid is connected

and viceversa

[sullen gull]

Lol, I do agree with this one completely

[stark solar]

or parachute

[fallen violet]

parachute is not needed, hoverpack glides

[viscid rain]

duck check dms

[sullen gull]

Parachute is nice to have after going through a hypertube cannon and then running out of jetpack fuel 😏

[stark solar]

Hoverpack only glides if you started out with power to it.

[fallen violet]

honestly the fall one shot protection negates on its entirety the parachute

[sullen gull]

Besides, only takes one slot

[lost wagon]

don't need parachute, just need a better helmet

[fallen violet]

ive never done a parachute in my entire life because i would need to fall off an inmense cliff... twice in a row

which never happened

[open pollen]

You don’t have a hoverpack for early game tho

[stark solar]

The parachute is also capable of ascent on certain surfaces. Very rapid ascent. It's a lot of fun

[sullen gull]

Parachute is also fun for parkouring up terrain inclines 🤣

[lost wagon]

parachute isn't for when you fall by mistake, it's for when you want to go down faster and not die

[fallen violet]

but thats the thing

you can already go down faster and not die

[stark solar]

Parachute is a pretty versatile tool!

[fallen violet]

just once every few minutes, though

[lost wagon]

it's the skill issue version of water bucket in minecraft

[open pollen]

Why go around the cliff to find a slope/way down when you can just hop off and parachute in the direction you were heading

[lost wagon]

I did install the grappling hook mod because it feels criminal not having one

[sullen gull]

Thanks, now I have the spiderman song stuck in my head 😏

[lost wagon]

the game does make a good spiderman game

[sullen gull]

Damnit, now I want to install it and go to the spire coast 🤣

[lost wagon]

just don't use it on the freighter when it's going up

[stark solar]

Now curious if there are spiderman mods for Satisfactory

[sullen gull]

And by don't, you mean ........ 😏

[lost wagon]

#screenshots message

[fallen violet]

i think the quote "The Pressure Conversion Cube is a late-game component used for very late-game recipes." from the wiki sums up pretty well the entire game

[broken thorn]

#screenshots message hear me out...

[lament niche]

You're contrarian about a lot lmao

[lament niche]

isn't water bucket a skill issue thing already?

...Usually, right?

Unless someone intentionally made their build anti-water bucket blutch?

[lost wagon]

I am saying parachute is the water bucket for people with skill issue

[lament niche]

fun fact: if you are at 98 health or higher, you don't need to clutch in satisfactory

[stark solar]

The range of things you can do with the parachute with some skill and persistence is wide

[lament niche]

fall damage maxes out at like 97.73 iirc

[signal crystal]

persistence being the heaviest word here

[lost wagon]

if you hit a slope while falling you take 0 fall damage

[stark solar]

Yeah, it's a little like hopping up mountains in skyrim

[lament niche]

depends on how steep the slope is

[viscid rain]

guys am i cooked i cant afford satisfactory but i REALLY WANT IT

[leaden ether]

Heh yeah I was surprised by that the first time, and as someone mentioned Skyrim, that and ESO are famous for this.

[finite furnace]

So Im trying to make my nuclear power plant, and i set aside water supply till last because liquids are always a pain for me. And long story short, Im in the middle of the ocean far north of the map and everywhere i try putting water extractors jsut says "resource is not deep enough". Anyone know why the ocean isnt deep enough for water extractors?

[burnt ferry]

is it possible to make the plastic and rubber yield from polymer resin somewhat reasonable? or are the non residual plastic and rubber recipes the only way to go when wanting go generate plastic and rubber alongside fuel?

[sullen gull]

Water stops being water at a certain distance out

[stark solar]

ohcibi: You cna generate a lot of resin from one of the alt recipes

[sullen gull]

The rubber/plastic from fuel recylce loop provides the most yeild from the least amount of oil.

[stark solar]

so that's one way to mitigate the yield issues

[burnt ferry]

you mean the ones that use rubber for plastic and vice versa?

[lament niche]

#rules

[sullen gull]

recylced plastic / recycled rubber alts

[burnt ferry]

which one? i have all the remaining recipes in my mam

[lilac totem]

guys, how many radio control units per minute should i make? I was thinking 10 but then 20 and i'm not sure how many i will need or when it's like too much

[finite furnace]

well Im at -2277, -2256. and the shoreline is -2195, -1972.. not even a 10th of the way to the edge of the map...

[stark solar]

The Polymer Resin alt recipe (processing crude oil) produces a good amount of resin

[burnt ferry]

Recycled Plastic 6× 6× 12x this one

[viscid rain]

oh no i wasnt begging i was just stating

[viscid rain]

srry tho

[sullen gull]

Figure out where they are used (space elevator parts) and figure out how many of those you want to make. then work backwards. For the build gun, I'd say 10 or so would be sufficient.

[burnt ferry]

ah wait. i think i get it.. you double the amount of rubber in plastic, so you can split that yield and use one half to generate rubber teh same way?

[sullen gull]

Are you trying to place near foundations?

[lilac totem]

alr, thx

[finite furnace]

somewhat, but i already have multiple almost clipping into foundatoins so idk how that is the problem

[burnt ferry]

but i think there was a misunderstaznding.. the idea is to generate plastic and rubber ALONGSIDE fuel.. so not consuming fuel but generating all fuel, plastic AND rubber

[stark solar]

ohcibi: Generally oil nodes cluster together

so you can use some for fuel, and some primarily for byproducts

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it may be though. It doesn't always cause an issue, but can. Try to remove any it may be clipping on, then put them back it it works.

[obsidian aurora]

is there a separate discord server for mod related stuff?

im wondering if there is mod that allowed me to clip machines into eachother

[sullen gull]

Should be in the #welcome channel

[obsidian aurora]

ah thanks

[civic igloo]

Any tips on how to make things less crowded in the very beginning of the game? Just started and it feels very crowded and congested. But I also could be optimizing it wrong too

[burnt ferry]

its basically 3:8 oil to fuel using residual recipes vs. 1:1 using the direct recipes..... im just not deeply enough into fuel generation to see how the recycled recipes make sense, as im missing the point, where you get theh fuel

[sullen gull]

In a "combined" setup, you have to prioritise one over the other.

[burnt ferry]

ah.. i missed the basic fuel recipe the way i looked at satis tools 😂

[sullen gull]

Also, diluted fuel makes a lot more.

[burnt ferry]

so you make 6:4 crude oil to fuel and resin, make resin to plastic, doubling the amount to rubber, and then alternate that

[burnt ferry]

my ratios are with diluted

[stark solar]

The polymer resin alt recipe you use with crude oil is a fairly simple way to prioritise resin. For one crude oil node.

[burnt ferry]

ye but thats not what i want

i want to primarily generate fuel and power and then have a decent amount of plastic and rubber alongside

its only to make adhered plates

[stark solar]

crude oil nodes cluster

So spend most on primarily fuel and one on primarily other

[burnt ferry]

i'm trying to minmax my way through high yield recipes like wet concrete, steel screws etc

[sullen gull]

alu beams > steel screws = ❤️

[burnt ferry]

i have that pressure extractor node i just added to my oil buffer for the lulz

[lost wagon]

diluted fuel should have a chance of ruining the engine because it has water in it

[atomic notch]

1.5 pasta pm should be fine for now

[burnt ferry]

yea ive looked at that one already... i just finished my first alu setup though and the first thing im making is alclad sheets obviously and then batteries.. but ihave like 1200 ingots/minute and the sheets are only going to dimdepot currently.. batterie are slightly used

[silk trail]

I seem to only be getting the same not so useful recipes from hard drives.

Are there conditions for some recipes? Cause the odds of the same 2-3 recipes appearing over and over seem quite small. And I’m missing a lot of recipes

[vestal mica]

generally, you only unlock recipes relevant to whatever technologies you have unlocked

[burnt ferry]

im also using the silicate alu recipe and then the silicate alu solution recipe to consume that silicate plus some silic i bring by with drones.. i prefer that recipe over the default way somehow

[silk trail]

Oh… so fully completing MAM will give me better recipes? That would have been useful to know… I should probably pay attention to dialogue ha?

[burnt ferry]

dont unlock recipes from hardrives where you dont need neither of the recipes currently... keep them in your mam to block those recipes from getting rerolled in future hardrrives

[vestal mica]

that and just milestones. like you won't get steel alternate recipes until you've unlocked steel

[burnt ferry]

i wasted like 100 drives becvause i noticed too late

[undone yarrow]

Other than some refinery recipes that unlock sooner than they should , you need to have the tech to use the recipe to get the recipe

[undone yarrow]

Without hyperbole you'd just have unlocked everything by that point

[vestal mica]

i think there's like 106 total hard drives, so that's really bad luck to have lost 100 of them

do a no alt recipes run i guess

[undone yarrow]

are we including the psuedo alts like default turbo/rocket fuel?

also neat, there are as many needed hard drives as there are total somersloops

[burnt ferry]

my pint was just that you can increase the likelihood for the next drive to unlock a recipe you erally want by not picking arbitrary recipes when you dont need them just to complete the drive

[sullen gull]

Ew 😏 . But in my current save, I am utilizing all 12,300 baux. So I have plenty of alu ingots to go around 😏

[undone yarrow]

yeah, thats pretty common "experienced" knowledge

[vestal mica]

i might have gotten hard drives and somersloops mixed up. maybe it's 118 hard drives

[silk trail]

Pretty much what I have been doing… but, I am starting nuclear. 2000 uranium is enough for 100 power plants without alt recipes. 70% done…sooo… I’m prolly gonna get through the phases and just start over.

[undone yarrow]

just looked, both are 106

[burnt ferry]

hows the bauxite to ingot ratio?

[undone yarrow]

to be exact: There are 118 Crash Sites, which means a total of 118 Hard Drives can be obtained. Four Hard Drives can be used to unlock alternate recipes via MAM research trees (as opposed to scanning the drives). Scanning the drives will provide a total of 106 recipes plus two opportunities for pioneer inventory expansions. However, because the Quartz Purification scan also unlocks Distilled Silica, and the Polyester Fabric alternate does not require a Hard Drive to research, only 106 Hard Drives are actually scanned for recipes. This leaves 5 Hard Drives unused (6 if FICSMAS participation was done).

[sullen gull]

1:1

[undone yarrow]

sloppy+elextrode+pure is 1:1

[silk trail]

Meh… I have misplaced at least a dozen hard drives.

[green fiber]

instant scrap is also 1:1 iirc

[undone yarrow]

you do

Instant is = sloppy+electrode, and simpler too as the waste water is equal to the sulfuric acid needs

[sullen gull]

The problem with that is you have to "kick start" some how as you need the sulfuric to get the instant going. So, imo, not really "simpler"

The biggest issue I keep seeing with wase water recylce setups is that players are trying to pump in the max amount of water needed.

I.e., sloppy says it needs 500, so they pump in 500.

[green fiber]

you just gotta feed in some fresh sulfuric acid for a while

[viral tendon]

Finally

The heavy modular frame production is done

My fucking goodness was that a pain in the ass

[sullen gull]

The fresh water should only ever be Total-waste

[stark solar]

Ryan: Congratz. That's not a fun recipe to do

[viral tendon]

Thanks, now to connect it to fused modular frame production

[green fiber]

it is simpler in the sense that the water loop is 1:1
meaning no extra water is needed (at least for the acid loop) once you fill the system

[stark solar]

The cubes are all weirdly unpleasant recipes to do at scale

[green fiber]

so you can just fill a big buffer and then just circulate that

[sullen gull]

Right, perfectly acheiveable with what I just suggested.

[green fiber]

Well for instant scrap total - waste = 0

[sullen gull]

Sloppy needs 600, electrodes put out a toatal of 420, so one should only pump 180 into fresh.

[green fiber]

the blender needs fresh water itself, yes, but the acid cycle is net 0

and for other aluminum recipes - its better to keep fresh water and waste water seperated

[sullen gull]

Yes, but, again, it requires setting up a temp feed for the fesh to get the acid going.

[undone yarrow]

Okay and? That won't risk jamming the way most things do or require a garbage disposal the way not recycling the water does

[stark solar]

Or bring in packaged water

[sullen gull]

Disagree. Again, the main issue is that people are pumping in max needed.

[green fiber]

I dont think thats the most common issue

[undone yarrow]

If you 1:1 with poor piping the system likes to jam

[sullen gull]

Ok, so now you need to make an unpackager, and remove it after the cycle gets goingh.

[stark solar]

Tinker: Agreed; it's a pain in the butt.

[green fiber]

feedback loops tend to lock up not because players are unable to math out "i need less fresh water if i get byproduct water"
but because the loop tends to be an unstable equilibrium with many conditions causing it to fail

I dont think i ever saw a player NOT realize "hey i need to input less water because i get some back"

[sullen gull]

In every single post/save/ask for help that I have seen so far and helped to fix, this has been the case.

Maybe not every single one, some were headlift issues.. but still

Just stating from my expierence so far.

[undone yarrow]

Was my first aluminum set up issue

[fast lotus]

I did this for the aluminium production, all I did was minus the total with the byproduct and put that as the input. it just worked for me? Does it get complicated in general?

[viral tendon]

Going to take a picture of my fused modular frames factory

[viral tendon]

That was hard to do

I hate fused frames

[undone yarrow]

It mostly depends on how set up the juction.

[viral tendon]

We should delete them

[undone yarrow]

Set up right, you can overfeed it and it'll work just fine. Set up wrong and everything breaks

[fast lotus]

fair enough

[viral tendon]

i think when you start the game you get 15 thousand of fused modular frames

[sullen gull]

I don't believe there is any instance where you can setup an aluminum setup where you are recylcing the waste and be able to "overfeed" it.

[burnt ferry]

wrong: in a sophisticated setup you would have proper priority handling and then just pump in as much as you can, getting future proofness

[viral tendon]

Like additional inventory space

[burnt ferry]

and that particular issue, priority handling is the key problem

[viral tendon]

That fills itself with fused frames

With 100/m rate

What do we think about this

[burnt ferry]

and the reason people separate is to avoid issues upfront which is a reasonable approach not only in a factory game

[sullen gull]

That's not "sophisticated", that's making things more difficult because of some "notion" of how things "should" work based off a myriad of opinions.

[covert talon]

whats the best way to get the tickets early game?

[viral tendon]

Protein

[stark solar]

jahson: Animal corpses

[burnt ferry]

youj are disproofing yourself by wasting time on this discussion

[stark solar]

process corpses through 2 steps into DNA

[viral tendon]

Like dna tickets

[covert talon]

is there a fast way to find them?

[sullen gull]

Lol, yeah/ok. Sure thing 😉

[burnt ferry]

the argument that avoiding issues upfront is a reasonable approach is stronger anyway

[stark solar]

Jahson: Kill foes a lot

[viral tendon]

You can research in mam to be able to use scanner for enemies

[atomic notch]

27 more refineries down the hole

[stark solar]

Jahson: Each of the 4 main foe types you fight in the game will drop a corpse when you kill it

So scoop that up and bring it home. Later, when you can sloop, you can double the conversion from corpse to meat-patty to DNA capsule at each step

But if you want tickets early on, don't wait, just convert it immediately and then sink it for tickets

[burnt ferry]

see thats the thing kid.. youre the ignorant here.. thinking everybody else is just stupid.. when in reality you prolly just havent reached the level of complexity other players than gave up on second guessing yet

[viral tendon]

Yikes, my max consumption of power is 20000 mw

[covert talon]

i dont have the scanner yet so do i just run around zapping them with the stick?

[burnt ferry]

typical dunning kruger effect

[stark solar]

ohcibi: Maybe we can chill out a bit?

Jahson: Yes. You don't need the scanner to find foes, really.

[sullen gull]

Totally right, probably know nothing after 3k hours ... Better keep churning.

[lofty helm]

so why was I not told the fastest form of non vehicle transportation is slide cancel momentum saving

[burnt ferry]

im chill.. just explaining tinker why it doesnt make sense for him to generalize

[stark solar]

ohcibi: Fair, just hoping we can keep the temperature of the conversation a bit cooler

[undone yarrow]

Then you'd know what a VIP junction is?

[burnt ferry]

im not ignoring you.. note taken

[sullen gull]

Yeah, some odd concept trying to make pipes do strange things that's not needed 🙂

[burnt ferry]

hrhr

expected response 😂

[viral tendon]

Ngl pipeline junction is peak, it works as spliter and merger and it can be both at once

[burnt ferry]

" what do i care? " 😂 😂

[undone yarrow]

🤷 worked for my situation, but pipes are also evil

[stark solar]

I love how the devs often joke (or not joke) that not even they understand fluid dynamics in pipes

[green fiber]

VIP is black magic and cursed af

[hard ivy]

not needed doesn't mean not useful

[mortal ginkgo]

You guys could have 69420 hours and still can't beat my idea of piping:

Direct Building to building connection.

One Water boi for one Coal Gen.
^
Peak design.

[green fiber]

only 2 devs know how pipes work: the 2 that work on them
all others dont touch em really

[undone yarrow]

(as an example, my 1200 bauxite setup with the right junction only needs 360 water to be balanced, slapped on a 4th to stress test it: Extractors filled up but the refineries churned happily)

[viral tendon]

I wish packaging used ANY other material that doesn't need liquid to be created

[undone yarrow]

2 gens to 1 extractor though, the widths match

[mossy palm]

I want to setup my first oil factory but crude oil is very far from my base.. should I build the factory locally or should I pipe it to my base?

[mortal ginkgo]

there are recipes for that

[green fiber]

I think i know exactly how you would solve aluminum

[viral tendon]

Which one twin

[stark solar]

Kartik: Build the power factory locally

[sullen gull]

Only "useful" because one is "making them useful". They aren't really doing anything that proper distribution and management of flow doesn't already do.

[green fiber]

steel coated canister

doesnt need fluids.

[burnt ferry]

they should have noted something went wrong (conceptually) when they used the same unit for pipe 'speed' (which it isnt) but then having the 'industrial container' not splitting up into two exits 😂 .. something tells me that there are two subteams not sufficiently communicating

[stark solar]

Kartik: Carting fluids long distances is not fun

[undone yarrow]

Coated iron also requires no water

[mortal ginkgo]

one water extractor for one refinery, DIRECT connection, not even 1 meter pipe. THEY. MUST. KISS. 💋

[atomic notch]

anoither train down the hole

[mossy palm]

but How do I travel there for obtaining goods from there?

[stark solar]

Hypertubes? Or walk?

[viral tendon]

Dont have it

[green fiber]

and byproduct water goes into coal gen

[green fiber]

Then get it

[viral tendon]

I can't just get it mf

[stark solar]

Hypertubes really are a joy to be in.

[burnt ferry]

calling them 'not useful' also requires you to know how the unuseful thing works in the first place

[undone yarrow]

Why not?.?

[burnt ferry]

which we havent seen yet

[mossy palm]

+1

[mortal ginkgo]

I suggest making first oil factory where the oil is. Once you get some good ways of delivering stuıff, you can make centralized stuff later

[mortal ginkgo]

Obviously, once again, kiss. 💋

[burnt ferry]

thats prolly the smartest solution for water byproduct 😂

also its nont a solution but unsaturated but thats another story

[stark solar]

Probably the simplest, not always the smartest, solution for water byproduct is wet concrete->sink

[undone yarrow]

I'm of the opinion the "Best" use of the aluminum waste water if you can't recycle it is to send it to the oil or copper that goes with it for most early aluminum products

[burnt ferry]

i was thinking to package and sink but then you have to make the packages first... which overcomplicates things

[atomic notch]

wet concrete-dd-sink

[mossy palm]

and should I build separate coal powered electricity for the oil factory?

[mortal ginkgo]

hear me out, underclocked coal gen for such water would also give you extra power, technically water is not wasted kek

[green fiber]

coal gens is my fave. You got coal or coke for aluminum already. And the water is a given. So both resources needed for fueling a coal gen

[stark solar]

Crusader: Ah, that works too. Not a bad idea if you don't already have a separate concrete line feeding DD+other things.

[mortal ginkgo]

nah, just yolo. refineries take good power so keep the setup very smol and steadily increase your refinery outputs

[tired cypress]

is it intended that smart splitters no longer include "any undefined" in "overflow"? I have one with routes Overflow, Rubber, None, and plastic doesn't go through to Overflow like it used to

[burnt ferry]

can work but you must make sure that those production dont stuck.. which can be really complicated depending on your flow

[undone yarrow]

For oil? It might. For copper? just sink any excess ore/bars

[atomic notch]

just havin it overflow to the sink so you can use it elsewhere

[burnt ferry]

its often easier to keep the byproduct in the local production line, just to not overcomplicate material delivery at other places