satisfactory

[open pollen]

I placed and over clocked over 60 fuel power plants because of my math

[timid mesa]

That probably produce more than 15GW

[open pollen]

Yep

[timid mesa]

Energy vs space and intake

[open pollen]

I was committed

[timid mesa]

Nuclear need quite a bit if you look at planner 0.25 plutonium rod. You sink those rod so no waste

[open pollen]

I need to make myself try nuclear down the line just to give it a go

[timid mesa]

I need to try turbo fuel factory too

My fuel is only normal fuel

[versed mirage]

i just finished t2 why is it telling me to pick a tier 2 milestone

[timid mesa]

Because you didn't do all of them

[trim vine]

?

Did you finish phase 1?

[open pollen]

I have a huge turbo fuel factory but I still only use liquid biofuel for my jet pack

[torn rover]

Are there any console commands or tools to assist with locating the ||jetpack hog|| or do I just need to luck into finding it?

[trim vine]

What is that?

[versed mirage]

hold on ill send a ss

[turbid badge]

Upon closer inspection it happens to one specific truck and more often when I'm watching from far enough

[versed mirage]

#screenshots

[mortal ginkgo]

||an easter egg which is a Hog that charges at you and explodes, dropping jetpack, can be useful to get it early before stage 3||

[trim vine]

Again, you need to finish PHASE 1, fuck the tiers at this point

[open pollen]

Just ignore it and complete the phase. That has happened to me before and it means nothing

[versed mirage]

bruh i have no clue what im doing 😭

[timid mesa]

Space elevator

[trim vine]

Go make 50 smart plating, thats youur goal

Once again, if you need help with the power to achieve this, I can assist

[versed mirage]

okay

[mortal ginkgo]

game is just telling you, you can go max Tier 2 right now.

you finished all milestones, now you need to get Phase 1 complete, those 50x smart plate delivery main quest of SPACE elevator

[trim vine]

thats fancy as fuck

[mortal ginkgo]

its rad, pog, cool and heck. also if it connects you, the explosion kills you so a bit of a kek situation too

[viral tendon]

#screenshots message 3.75 supercomputers per minute 💔

[versed mirage]

do i have to use the assembler to make it

?

[timid mesa]

Yes

[open pollen]

To make what?

[trim vine]

Yuup

[kind rose]

An alt recipe for it does

[timid mesa]

All space elevator item can't be made by hand

[versed mirage]

okaqy

[kind rose]

Otherwise the manufacturer is required

[turbid badge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1387528096118345739

[timid mesa]

Benze we are talking about smart plate

[kind rose]

Mb

[mystic oriole]

where to find hog?

[kind rose]

I presumed it was related to this

[timid mesa]

Super computer can be craft by hand no alt recipe

[polar flame]

so ive come back to this game after 2 years the fuel generator milestone was marked as not being completed even tho i have factories filled with them is this a bug ?

[lunar frigate]

is there a way to automate power shards before tier 9?

[versed mirage]

should i just place the materials in it insteado f makign an entire thing for it

[timid mesa]

Nope

[kind rose]

No

[open pollen]

That is up to personal preference

[trim vine]

you will need smart plating for each and every phase of the game

[timid mesa]

I normally but 2 container, 1 with rotor and 1 with reinforced plate

[hard ivy]

imo, there's very little reason to automate space elevator parts. I just handfeed them

[timid mesa]

With mk belt

[timid mesa]

You can afk do them and feed them

[trim vine]

hence taking 20 min to make the automated biofuel plant I was offering 😛

[open pollen]

Are you playing on an old save? Cause then it may not be working in general

[lunar frigate]

is lizard dog ranching no longer a thing in 1.0

thats the only other way i found w/ google

[bitter lodge]

isn't phase 4 space elevator parts needed for tier 9 things?

[polar flame]

yeah its a somewhat old save i can still play it tho

[timid mesa]

Getting to tier 9 take quite a bit of time

Worry later

[hard ivy]

only pasta. but then it's not for the space elevator, so that's a reason to automate it

[open pollen]

I think 1.0 changes some resource node locations so your factories may not even all be working on that save

[bitter lodge]

ohhhhhhh

I was mathing out my new iron steel factory to make double of all the tier 9 thingies

[timid mesa]

The quartz at top left biome next to coal got remove and add in the cavern for example

[bitter lodge]

or well, I am wording that terrible

Like the end craft of smart plates, wiring, versatile frames, and HMF

[polar flame]

is there a map of what was removed and added ?

[timid mesa]

Nope map just change

[polar flame]

is there a way to know like the node won't be there ?

oh ok

[hard ivy]

yeah, there was one posted around 1.0's release

[trim vine]

Oh, and every single item that is needed to go into the elevator cannot be hand crafted either 😉

[bitter lodge]

hand crafted in the sense you just toss them into an assembler, manufacter, etc.

[trim vine]

it is fairly easy to set up a production line though, does not take more than 5 minutes

[dawn turtle]

Has anyone got inspiration for a mega factory with a good design?

[low vigil]

i like feet

[trim vine]

Take that nonsense to #1201555265942724758

[trim vine]

Center of the map on stilts

[bitter lodge]

automating portable miners...10/10 idea.

I hated this recipe at first, but knowing I gotta throw down like 15 miners for this next factory. Smh hand crafting them

[timid mesa]

I am refactoring my factory with my nuclear power. Trains are coming

At least portable miner stack they used to not

[bitter lodge]

oh god ._.

rip inventory space

[timid mesa]

I think they became stackable in 1.0

[polar flame]

is the interactive map up to date on satisfactory cal ?

[bitter lodge]

yup

[timid mesa]

Can we talk about a satisfactory mod in this channel? I have a good one if you want a fresh chaotic run

[polar flame]

cool

[true mulch]

You can but there's a modding discord

[trim vine]

hit me

[timid mesa]

For a fresh chaotic run with randomizer, archipelago mod

[versed mirage]

does the space elevator lag people like should i build it far away

[low vigil]

i like feet

#1201555265942724758

[trim vine]

yeah, its visible from everywhere on the map

but only maybe when being built, should be fine otherwise

[timid mesa]

The mod mix all HD l, mam and milestone reward

[rare thunder]

pipe floor hole fix when

[trim vine]

pipe floor hole not broken now

[versed mirage]

alright

[rare thunder]

oh sweet

[midnight mulch]

how and where do i download mods

[timid mesa]

Is this chaotic enough @trim vine

[trim vine]

Satisfactory Mod Manager

[trim vine]

?

[timid mesa]

Oh awesome shop is also shuffle. For the chaotic fresh run. Archipelago mod

[open pollen]

Look at #welcome for the link to the modding discord

[versed mirage]

where should i put the space elevator does it matter

[timid mesa]

Anywhere you want

[versed mirage]

alright

[open pollen]

Anywhere, but be warned it’s big af

[wild kindle]

are mercer spheres useful like somersloops? i have 20 of them

[trim vine]

and just like the hub, can be tore down whenever

[versed mirage]

alright

[timid mesa]

Yes

[versed mirage]

will i need to move back and forth from it alot or only when getting to the nexdt phase

[open pollen]

Have you researched the spheres in the MAM yet? They are very useful

[timid mesa]

Cloud inventory

[trim vine]

have you dabbled in dimension depots yet

[lofty forge]

yup you can get the dimensional depot with them

[open pollen]

Only for phases

[wild kindle]

oh yeah i forgot about those i havent played the game in a while

[trim vine]

then they are now useful

[wild kindle]

ok thanks

[clear aspen]

The Truman show is so peak

[polar flame]

264,914 / 75,382 on map in screenshots channel are these actual crude oil nodes ? when i get near them they say crude oil ?

this just for show ?

[hard ivy]

not nodes. wells

[open pollen]

They are oil wells, which work/are extracted from differently and you don’t learn how until Phase 4 I believe

[polar flame]

oh ok xD

[viral tendon]

I'm proud to announce that I've spearheaded the activation of nuclear fission power generation capabilities

Idk what to start with

[sharp sentinel]

I want to apologise to the guy who the other day asked why I kept sinking turbo motors, because I should save them in case I need them. I kept sinking them, and now I have to find more or wait to make them to get a hard drive.

[trim vine]

Ummmm

Why didnt you have them going into a storage to fill up, and then have a smart splitter sinking them?

[mortal ginkgo]

turbo motors are chungus amount of sink points early to mid game

[sharp sentinel]

I'm not making them. I'm finding them and ^

[warped pawn]

guys for some reason my water is evaporating while travelling thru the pipes

[trim vine]

And are required to build MK3 miners

[hard ivy]

SCIM has a list of all resources required to unlock all remaining drop pods. should've kept at least that many

[viral tendon]

How tf do you even unlock turbo motors

[trim vine]

Did you build the cooling insulation around the pipe?

[mortal ginkgo]

people who sink them are mostly at mk2 miner starting, mk3 is a huge thing for them

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont, doggo finds them (in early stages where people sinks them)

[hard ivy]

tier 8

[viral tendon]

Fucking stupid dumbass doggos runs away for me

[warped pawn]

oh shit mb i totally forgot

[mortal ginkgo]

maybe you shouldn't be so hostile to them 😛

[fathom shuttle]

200% overclocking is a 25% increase in energy per item right?

[trim vine]

easy mistake to make

Build the cooling, hook it up to power, and the water will come back

[trim vine]

exponentially more power, not linear

(I dont have the exact maths)

[hard ivy]

correct

[fathom shuttle]

Huh not that bad then

[hard ivy]

yeah, if you have the shards, it's practically free

[viral tendon]

Yeah overclocking is very good

[fathom shuttle]

Is there an easy way to get the ratios right

In tools

[warped pawn]

input the items u input and put how much u want

[warped pawn]

do u think i need a boiler for excess water?

[hard ivy]

wdym?

[warped pawn]

ratios in tools are perfect vro

its just the way u do ur stuff

[prisma forge]

...blueprints are attached to a save?

[mortal ginkgo]

@jovial sapphire just another variation of tick thing. the green cloud it puffs out is not a poison

[hard ivy]

yes. but you can copy them over if you want (I think)

[lime ermine]

Yup

[prisma forge]

I changed the name of my session and it created a new save. I deleted the old one. The blueprints didn't copy to the new one.

[lime ermine]

Yeah that'll happen

[prisma forge]

any way I can get the save in the cloud? Or is it gone for ever?

[jovial sapphire]

how many variations are there?

[mortal ginkgo]

so far thats the only one I think

[hard ivy]

the blueprints are not saved in the cloud I don't think

you can check if they're still in the blueprint folder

[prisma forge]

oh they are

just need to change the folder name I guess

thank God

[sharp sentinel]

I seem to have accidentally turned on something that highlights all my vehicles. Anyone have an inkling how to turn it off?

[hard ivy]

unless you're playing modded, there's no such setting

unless they have the same outline as dismantle mode, then it's a visual glitch and you just need to hover over them in dismantle mode

[sharp sentinel]

#screenshots message

Hm...

[glad harbor]

SINCE WHEN COULD YOU DISMANTLE THE CRASH DEBRIS

[hard ivy]

1.1

[glad harbor]

THATS GOATMODE HOLY

[trim vine]

No, tools gives you raw inputs and outputs and its up to you to figure it out

[hard ivy]

yep, dismantle mode outline

[trim vine]

I find limestone filters help regulate excess water rather nicely

[mortal ginkgo]

@glad harbor 1.1 patch

[warped pawn]

ill check them out

[tall blaze]

dimensional depot seems so useful wth

[hard ivy]

yep

upgrade it asap

[prisma forge]

bruh I can't have Satisfactory open while I watch a video on my second screen, my game lags.

[tall blaze]

mam research?

i need a lot more of mercer sphere

[warped pawn]

use a diff device ig

[hard ivy]

thankfully they're pretty common

[warped pawn]

i always lag when i tab out for some reason

[white dawn]

Satsifactory and, unfortunately, web browsers nowadays, are both pretty heavy apps

[prisma forge]

I have no money bruh

[tall blaze]

ive only found 7 in my time of playing

only phase 2 rn tho

[white dawn]

You'll find more; there's ~300 or so on the map

[south sinew]

I just use AGS to spawn them in

[warped pawn]

i mean like a phone or smthn, reloading helps remove lag btw

[white dawn]

Though I agree it takes time + effort!

[tall blaze]

whats that

[south sinew]

advanced game settings

[white dawn]

Note that enabling AGS does disable achievements for that play session, if that's something you care about

[tall blaze]

oh alr

[south sinew]

another upside of enabling them

[viral tendon]

What's ags

[white dawn]

(Could alternatively hax yourself some spheres using SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map))

[viral tendon]

I'm dumb sorry

[hard ivy]

and is a slippery slope to cheating other things in and skipping parts of the game

[white dawn]

Or, of course, just enjoy exploring + finding more as you play the game

[viral tendon]

I couldn't look up 4 messages

[white dawn]

There's lots of great reasons to explore; it's rarely time wasted

[mortal ginkgo]

I will add that the hand crafted world is great. Sceneries are awesome.

[viral tendon]

Are there any things i have to know before starting to produce nuclear power?

[mortal ginkgo]

There were times that I went "ooooh so pretty" only to hear bunch of skittering leg sounds and a jump after.

[south sinew]

prepare a spot for all the waste

[white dawn]

I'd recommend automating iodine filter production

[hard ivy]

automate iodine filters and plan what you're gonna do with the waste

[white dawn]

Max iodine filter usage is 5/min, so if you automate that much you'll never have to worry about radiation again. (In practice you could get away with far less than 5/min)

[viral tendon]

Fym waste

[hard ivy]

uranium waste

byproduct of burning uranium rods

[viral tendon]

Can't i sink it

[south sinew]

no

[hard ivy]

nope

[viral tendon]

Fuck

What do i do with it

[white dawn]

Nope, there are two methods of "clean" nuclear:

1. Produce Uranium Rods, Turn Uranium Waste into Plutonium Rods, sink the Plutonium Rods
2. Produce Uranium, Turn Uranium Waste into Plutonium Rods, Burn the Plutonium Rods and turn Plutonium Waste into Ficsonium Rods, and burn those (which generates no waste)

Otherwise, just store the waste somewhere offshore.

[hard ivy]

store it in containers somewhere where radiation won't bother you or reprocess it into plutnium rods which can be sunk or burned to produce even more power and more waste (but much less than uranium so it's easier to store)

[white dawn]

You generate waste at a constant (known) rate; can plan for hundreds of hours of playtime without too much trouble

[viral tendon]

I think i will go with first

[south sinew]

yeah I've heard that Ficsonium really sucks

[viral tendon]

Why is it so complicated since completing phase 3

[cyan garnet]

It’s a fun challenge but very resource intensive (especially on SAM)

[cyan garnet]

in my experience video games get harder the further you progress

[south sinew]

"just more rocket fuel" seems to be the normal power choice

[hard ivy]

if you want no waste, it's more complicated and more expensive than sinking plutonium. other than "because I want to" there's zero reason to make it

[viral tendon]

They get complicatred a little bit at a time

[vestal mica]

it's more net power and it's wasteless

[viral tendon]

You complete phase 3 and then they drop 50k new things on you

[hard ivy]

sinking plutoinum is also wasteless

[cyan garnet]

There is a pretty big jump in complexity in phase 4, true. Phase 5 is pretty easy by comparison for what it’s worth

[vestal mica]

and you're throwing away a ton of power

[hard ivy]

and you're throwing away a ton of resources and power making ficsonium 🤷‍♂️

[vestal mica]

you're not throwing away power if you care about it being wasteless

[cyan garnet]

You can also use plutonium rods as vehicle fuel (they are great in drones)-it will make them radioactive but it doesn’t generate any waste

[naive pendant]

I assume many people bring a lot of “tech debt” into phase 4 in their playthroughs. Then phase 4 really forces you to actually do things like long distance transport, etc. Just gets to be a lot in that case.

[cyan garnet]

So you can consider using your plut rods for vehicles and sink whatever is left over

[vestal mica]

even though ficsonium itself is a net less, plutonium plus ficsonium is still WAY more power than just uranium

[hard ivy]

more power per uranium ore, yes. Idk why would that be the only metric you seem to care about

[viral tendon]

I'm not quite sure what i'm doing in phase 4

[cyan garnet]

PFRs are tied for top speed in drones (45 m/s) and a single rod lasts like 50-100 round trips

[lost wagon]

factories are getting bigger by each tier unlock, don't know if I will be able to keep the "don't make ugly giant foundation platforms" rule anymore

[cyan garnet]

Same as previous phases, look at your milestones, pick a resource to automate, and go

[vestal mica]

power is the only thing i use uranium for

[viral tendon]

Prev phase was a lil easier

[hard ivy]

you can just make more
for less than ficsonium costs

[cyan garnet]

Boy howdy was this me in my first playthrough. I hand-jammed a manufacturer to make most of the stuff I needed to finish phase 3 without properly automating. Things like computers

[naive pendant]

I’m sure it’s very common for first playthroughs especially

[vestal mica]

just make more uranium

[south sinew]

I always automate everything

[naive pendant]

Also for phase 4 you really need to learn trains, drones, or trucks to solve the distance transport problem. Theres a lot of homework per se.

[viral tendon]

Well automizing iodine infused filters will be hard

[proper hound]

devstreams on twich only live 1 week? Can't seem to find last one

[bitter lodge]

belts go brrrrr

[left totem]

belts are goog

[viral tendon]

I use belts for any logistics

[south sinew]

I hand-carried some aluminium until I got drones

[left totem]

honestly it is not

[white dawn]

Drones are pretty tailor-made to gather resources in one spot for iodine filters; don't need much of anything, and you've happily got drone tech by that point

[sharp sentinel]

#screenshots message

Yasssss!!

[proper hound]

you still need oil for fabric

[fathom shuttle]

It can be made from polymer resin right?

[hard ivy]

yep. and you can get 900 MW of power from 1 SAM via bauxite to uranium conversion, but only 23.4375 MW via Ficsonium. 38.4 times more lol

[proper hound]

yes, but still needs oil

[fathom shuttle]

So power is essentially infinite as long as you have enough sam?

[white dawn]

Ficsonium's great if you want wasteless nuclear but want to take advantage of the Plutonium Rods you've already produced

Throwing away all that power makes me feel itchy

[fathom shuttle]

How many steps do you need to convert?

[white dawn]

Folks think that it's pointless just 'cause it doesn't give you extra TWs of power, but being able to utilize your Plutonium while still keeping clean is reward in itself, IMO

[hard ivy]

I genuinely don't understand that argument
by making ficsonium, you're throwing away SAM that can be used to generate even more power via other means.

[white dawn]

Each step (Uraniun, Plutonium, Ficsonium) is like 3-4 steps of specifically-nuclear processing, plus the support factories for the pre-nuclear steps

[white dawn]

Because I've made the Plutonium Rods. They're right there. It requires zero effort at that point to burn them and (depending on alt recipes) give me twice my current power for free

At which point I'll either store the Pu Waste, or build out Ficsonium

[hard ivy]

it's only free if you store the waste

[white dawn]

I know you don't understand that, though, so I'm not gonna try to convince you yet again. :)

[frail sleet]

plutonium waste has 1/40 of the storage requirement of uranium so it's not really an issue. 40 containers buys you the same amount of energy that 1600 would for uranium waste, and 1600 containers is annoying while 40 is a couple minutes detour.

[fathom shuttle]

Do you need to constantly tailor blueprints for it or is it just build it once then spam it

[white dawn]

Honestly unless you're building huge nuclear, no single step of the radioactive processes are gonna take a huge amount of room

Though the support factories which feed into the nuclear bits might be pretty big

How you use blueprints sort of depends on how you build in general, I guess. :)

[fathom shuttle]

True

[white dawn]

I definitely make use of some "custom" blueprints for my nuclear buildouts, but then I often do that for many other factories as well

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll need a lot of Electromagnetic control rods

[white dawn]

Yeah, ECR factories always surprise me with how big they are

Dunno why

It's not a difficult part but it always seems to be a lotta machines. c'est la vie!

[vestal mica]

one over clocked uranium node making 600 turns into 180GW with the right alts and throwing away the plutonium. burning the plutonium and ficsonium it becomes 420 GW. at the cost of 700 sam and some copper basically

seems fun unless you already have plans for the entire maps worth of sam

[fathom shuttle]

700 Sam is a single pure node

[white dawn]

Yeah, SAM's the main thing you might run out of if your Ficsonium buildout is sufficiently large

[hard ivy]

or you could get 800 more uranium and make the same amount of power for less effort 🤷‍♂️

[white dawn]

But given that, IMO, 99.9% of players are never gonna need more than a few hundred GW of power anyway, anything beyond that kind of counts as a megaproject anyway

[proper hound]

and if you run out of uranium, there is crapload of oil around to make fuel

[white dawn]

Even just pushing yourself up to 1TW is way more power than practically anyone's ever gonna use; it's just a project you're doing for fun (or to support some other similarly just-for-fun megaproject)

Nuclear power at "reasonable" scales which includes Ficsonium isn't going to deplete your whole SAM supply

(for, of course, varying levels of "reasonable." I do admit that SAM's the one thing you may be in danger of running out of in some circumstances)

[vestal mica]

is it less effort becuase now you hve to make more than twice as much uranium and plutonium infrastructure instad of just doing the ficsonium once at a smaller scale. and you've lost bauxite. another resource it's possible to run out of

🤷

[hard ivy]

I see you haven't done the math
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1g8pk8u/the_costs_of_powering_100_nuclear_power_plants/#lightbox

cost depending on number of ficsonium rods produced for 250 GW of waste-free nuclear

[vestal mica]

I let the tools do the math

and looked at how much resourcs it used to process all the plutonium waste

[hard ivy]

this is from tools

bauxite and SAM just go up with more ficsonium

[vestal mica]

that's a chart in reddit. literally made the factories in tools 2 minutes ago

using 600 uranium

[gloomy oriole]

Is there a way to select ammo types with the controller? (xbox style)

[hard ivy]

made by me. with Tools

[vestal mica]

i'm looking at the factories in tools right now and comparing the resources used. so I don't need to try to interpret your chart. i have the raw numbers for 180 vs 420 GW of power

[vestal mica]

i feel like someone said maybe it was down on the directional pad?

[hard ivy]

250 GW with sinking plutonium:
240 bauxite 0 sam

250 GW with max ficsonium:
2668 bauxite 4444 SAM

idk what you're looking at tbh

[leaden turret]

careful not to hit the rage quit button, controller becomes tv grenade

[lost wagon]

can satisfactory tools import a save to fill all the alternate recipes I have?

[gloomy oriole]

Ah, got to hold it I guess.

[vestal mica]

i'm not looking at raw ficsonium power. i'm looking at the total system power

[hard ivy]

I am too. I said, 100 GW waste-free

sinking plutonium:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=odgtSjMvnxFe0jJDZ6UB

max ficsonium:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=tAuKIglmuvXpM234eTDl

both power 100 plants

[warped pawn]

can z fighting cause lag?

[south sinew]

no

[vestal mica]

then you're not doing useful comparisons. the ficsite solution will always power WAY more plants

[crude canyon]

Ok guys, I have an idea, that's kinda dumb.

A self organising factory

[vestal mica]

because you're also burning the plutonium and ficsonium

[hard ivy]

it won't, because you'll run out of SAM faster

[vestal mica]

here's my comparison. use 600 uranium. how much power does just uranium make?

[warped pawn]

autosorter?

[vestal mica]

how much power does the full chain make?

[warped pawn]

depends on what u use it for

[vestal mica]

what's the different in cost?

[hard ivy]

why limit yourself to 600 uranium?

[vestal mica]

because that's one overclocked normal node

[warped pawn]

to make calculation less complicated

[hard ivy]

and?

[warped pawn]

its for an example bro

[crude canyon]

Like, if you need to make encased beams, you pull a few priority switches, and the factory starts making it

[warped pawn]

u can do that yes

[vestal mica]

and that's how i want ot compare if i stop making power at uranium rods, and still have to produce plutonium rods just to throw them away

[warped pawn]

use priority switches and a overflow smart splitter and funnel the overflow into another segment

[vestal mica]

how much power am i losing vs how much ADDITIONAL resources are needed to just finish all the way through ficsonium

[warped pawn]

and unpower the machines that are producing the stuff u dont want anymore

i caqn show an example if youd like

[crude canyon]

Honestly, making a factory that does everything first, and only late or turning it on and then expecting things to fall into place without problems seems like a case for disaster

[warped pawn]

then why suggest

[bitter lodge]

sounds like a fun challenge

[crude canyon]

I thought the idea was funny
But the actual reality would need some mods to work well

[bitter lodge]

oh I need more "XYZ from XYZ factory" turn off one factory turn on the other :>

[warped pawn]

i can make it in vanilla lmao

its not hard at all

[crude canyon]

I already have trouble with normal logistics, now making logistics automatic?

[warped pawn]

ill post a vid in #streams-and-videos rn

[crude canyon]

Honestly yeah
I love seeing people's smart inventions

[hollow vector]

@shy mulch #screenshots message can i throw a nuke nobelisk in there and detonate it?

[warped pawn]

just lemme setup everything rq

[empty path]

call me crazy but some that love AI and whatnot i just came up with the craziest idea, trying with GPT first 😄 basically making it "play with me" in the sense that it will give me personalised quests and things to do on a role play level. I love ADA but i want more AI annoying me 😄

[shy mulch]

Might do that then reload save. I'm not going collecting all those doggos again!

[hollow vector]

use c.ai or some shit

[shy mulch]

I don't use AI for that, but just make things up in my head. Use imagination, not AI 😎

[empty path]

i dunno so far what im planning for GPT is enough with voice attack and stuff as well, problem is needing paid version lol

[pallid canopy]

THE VOICES

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283647686632800289/1387227919511851088/attachment.gif

[warped pawn]

almost done

[hard ivy]

600 uranium, sinking plutonium, 180 GW:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=V0XBk9H7h3YvjIQUeN30

600 uranium, max power (which is not max ficsonium, funnily enough), 420 GW
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=xBFFgWOXLnuk61zChL0i

Ficsonium uses 5.3k SAM, 3.5k Bauxite (vs <200 of sinking Plutonium)

both without resource conversion BTW

Per GW, you save nitrogen, sulfur, uranium, caterium and quartz by making Ficsonium

But it costs way more Bauxite, SAM, Copper, Coal, Oil and Iron

[warped pawn]

yo @crude canyon can i dm it to u i didnt know it was 6 hour slowmode

[crude canyon]

Ye

[bright magnet]

final hardest part of the Phase 3 is automated ... ETA bout a few months 😂

[bitter lodge]

sloop and power shard it?

or well, power shard would require more input. but slooping doesn't

[warped pawn]

u can do both

[vestal mica]

yeah, i think i pasted a summary wrong and wasn't comparing the right numbers. i get...
Bauxite 49%
Caterium Ore 133%
Copper Ore 35%
Raw Quartz 54%
Sulfur 185%
Coal 2%
Iron Ore 100%
Limestone 35%
Crude Oil 47%
Nitrogen Gas 219%
Uranium 233%
SAM #DIV/0!

[warped pawn]

wait.. like 3.5k of the worlds bauxite gets used? bro im using all of it 😭

[vestal mica]

bauxite half as efficient, but the coal one kind of sucks becuase you can run out of coal

i don't know if the builds were using the same recipes. they go to the same power. but my comparison, quartz got worse

[hard ivy]

Did you do minimum plutonium for sinking or did you waste a bunch of bauxite making the max for no reason?

[vestal mica]

i did max power from 600 uranium

it's making 420GW

[hard ivy]

With sinking Plutonium, that only depends on the amount of Uranium rods, not Plutonium

[vestal mica]

it's not sinking any plutonium

[hard ivy]

I'm asking how many Plutonium rods did you make to sink

[vestal mica]

you burn the plutonium. that's the point

or a big part of the point

[hard ivy]

What are comparing then? Ficsonium vs storing Plutonium Waste?

[vestal mica]

no. uranium and sinking plutonium rods. which makes 180GW. And the same amount of uranium but instead of sinking the plutonium you burn it and convert the waste to ficsonium

which makes 420GW

[bitter lodge]

all this power

what is the most power yall ever consumed at once?

[hard ivy]

And I am asking how many Plutonium rods are you sinking in the 180 GW example. ffs.

[crude canyon]

Yeah I heard ficsonium is weak af and not worth it because the machines that make it consume so much power

[hard ivy]

That's not the (only) reason why it's terrible

[crude canyon]

The supply chain is also a nightmare I guess

[hard ivy]

It also takes a fuckton of Bauxite and SAM

[crude canyon]

I never went nuclear in the first place

But yeah good to know

[warped pawn]

this is why im not doing nuclear smh

[hard ivy]

Uranium nuclear is not that bad. But then you have to deal with the waste. If you want to be completely waste-free, it's no longer worth it compared to Rocket Fuel imo.

But if you don't mind storing the waste, some may even say it's competitive. Not me, but at least I wouldn't argue with someone who does

[vestal mica]

6.4 / m

is it doing a lot of extra?

[hard ivy]

Yes. Minimum is 3.6

Turn off all Plutonium related alts

Fertile uranium, instant cell and plutonium unit

Though if the limit is actually set to 600 U, then it wasn't doing fertile anyway

[warped pawn]

so like

at what point is waste processing just not worth it

[hard ivy]

Compared to rocket fuel? Imo it's never worth it

[warped pawn]

im doing it just cuz yk its part of da game

[hard ivy]

If you want power with minimal effort, you either do rocket fuel or uranium rods and store the waste. Anything else is more effort per GW

[warped pawn]

just to use all the uranium in the game and yk

[vestal mica]

oh yeah. i just told it to maximize power. now i tell it to maximize power but make 0 plutonium waste and it's 3.6

Bauxite 21%
Caterium Ore 124%
Copper Ore 30%
Raw Quartz 49%
Sulfur 155%
Coal 1%
Iron Ore 80%
Limestone 69%
Crude Oil 33%
Nitrogen Gas 118%
Uranium 233%
SAM #DIV/0!

[warped pawn]

i make like 300gw from rocketfuel

[vestal mica]

that coal number is rough

[hard ivy]

What calc are you even using?

[hard ivy]

Sam is literally infinitely worse lol

[vestal mica]

well sam is more like, i know it costs sam. can i afford it

but 7k coal?

is it using terrible recipes?

[hard ivy]

Well, I can't cause 10 matrixed augmenters already cost me 6k

[vestal mica]

well, we also disagree on how to use sloops

[warped pawn]

caterium is so annoying to get, its scattered arcross the map, its hard to find multiple nodes in ones area

[vestal mica]

my 0 augmentors cost me 0

[hard ivy]

But that's why I made a mod (:

[warped pawn]

for what?

[hard ivy]

To make Ficsonium make a little more sense

Adds alt recipes

I still wouldn't consider it good without at least a 2x power buff on top of that
Which I did with a separate mod

[vestal mica]

i'm also using logistics tool. i like it because you can pick power as an output and it does the nuclear loops without having to specify the amount of waste as an input

[hard ivy]

Eh, I already know my way around nuclear ratios (I've done this math so many times) so Tools is good enough

[frail sleet]

The power is fine (you can make it net positive without too much trouble) but the SAM, bauxite and copper costs are very high

they are why you can't scale

[hard ivy]

Don't know it, so idk how it chooses recipes. Better transplant the rod and waste numbers to Tools to make sure it's optimized for WP

Or you can use Satisfactory Optimizer to customise what you're optimizing for

[tropic plover]

How do I get rid of the stupid baloon trees?
Cant chainsaw them or blow them up

[hard ivy]

Nobelisk at the base

If that doesn't, work, try a few more times

If it still doesn't work, it's one of the indestructible ones

[warped pawn]

the ones that have like a tip at the top theyre indestructible

[hard ivy]

Make sure you're hitting close to the base. Nobelisk halfway up doesn't work

And neither does explosive rebar sometimes

[tropic plover]

Thanks, that helped. Was in the way of placing my freight platform, lol

[distant hill]

I guess I can quit being paranoid and leave my nuke gens alone In 20 hours the waste storage has not backed up or decreased. I let it get a few stacks just so I could keep an eye on it... if it went down, my gens weren't producing... if it went up my disposal system wasn't working... but it's steady.

[bitter lodge]

can you sink the waste?

then wouldn't eventually your storage backlog...fill and break things?

[hard ivy]

Correct, you'd have to build storage large enough to contain all the waste you're producing

[bitter lodge]

I assume this waste can be turned into something that can be sinked?

[distant hill]

uranium waste can be 'sunk' it's just that doing so requires you to go through a convoluted process of making it into plutonium fuel cells... those can be sunk.

[hard ivy]

Correct. Plutonium Fuel Rods

[vestal mica]

so i think the biggest difference between the two is tools grabs excited photonic matter from nowhere

[leaden ether]

Plutonium fuel rods

[bitter lodge]

ohhhh

[vestal mica]

and logistics makes a production chain of oscillators to get it as a byproduct

[hard ivy]

Because it's made from nothing?

[leaden ether]

WHich you can then sink or burn to produce even worse waste (THen convert that to Ficsonum and burn that and finally be done with the entire chain)

[bitter lodge]

how interesting

[vestal mica]

sorry, i mean it uses all the extra. which i don't know why it's doing that

[bitter lodge]

and all of this just produces power?

[hard ivy]

Correct. Or fuel for drones as a byproduct

[hard ivy]

Extra what?

[bitter lodge]

oh that is lowkey awesome. I can't wait to use drones

but I make the RCU's first. Gonna work on that after a couple more projects. Totally went on like sidequest, and stopped progressing

[hard ivy]

Plutonium powered drones are the best. If you don't mind having mildly radioactive drones flying around your map

[bitter lodge]

huh!?

I think I would mind that-

[tropic plover]

Okay, I have two train lines that come into a single station. I have placed block signals well before the merge.
The track is not a loop, its a single back and forth line, so where do I place the exit signal?

[hard ivy]

Put on a hazmat suit, automate iodine filters and it's no issue. Other than Geiger counter clicking when they're close

[bitter lodge]

ya I would hate the noise

[hard ivy]

You get used to it after listening to it for 50 hours troubleshooting a running nuclear plant :)

[bitter lodge]

LMAO

[leaden ether]

I don't mind the clicking at all for some reason but the ZOOP sound that the hoverpack makes CONSTANTLY as you move around your factory drives me insane 😦

[bitter lodge]

That is totally fair I suppose

[vestal mica]

like it has superposition oscillators as a byproduct, but i'm not sure what it's doing

[white dawn]

If you load-balance your radioactive resources, even that's pretty easily kept to a minimum

In the Uranium sections of the plant you can be standing like right on top of most of the machines and not feel a thing!

[hard ivy]

Superposition oscillators are net positive on dark matter residue. So you can make it from bauxite, quartz, and other assorted stuff instead of SAM.

So are power shards and AI expansion servers FYI

[desert pier]

does anyone know why satisfactory-tools website cant calculate a recipe for packaged rocketfuel?

[white dawn]

Though the Pu+Fi steps tend to bleed out quite a bit

[bitter lodge]

I keep researching harddrives and it feels like I am never gonna get to the end @-@

[white dawn]

Try https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production instead. (I know that doesn't actually answer your question, but it's (IMO) the better of the two solvers)

[vestal mica]

yeah, i don't know i think it's optimizing either differently or incorrectly than what tools does

[desert pier]

ah thats actually the one I am using

[hard ivy]

Enable all alts

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, a missing alt recipe is almost certainly the culprit there, then. :)

[vestal mica]

https://satisfactory-logistics.xyz/factories/calculator/shared/6d3sqmxFFhzS7HhA321863

[desert pier]

that website doesnt even work lol

[desert pier]

thank you!

[desert pier]

yes that worked thanks!

[vestal mica]

works for me

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I'll have to investigate it sometime. I've already found it's probably not calculating power correctly, but it seems its optimization is fishy too. Don't have time today tho

From my (admittedly minimal) testing, Tools agrees perfectly with Optimizer (under the same conditions), so I'd blame Logistics before Tools

Maybe Logistics just puts a higher weight on SAM than the standard WP weight so it doesn't use Conversion when the ore is available
That'd make it prefer SAM-free DMR

[untold moat]

im thinking about getting back into this, anyone have any challenges for me to do?

[minor rock]

make a mod :p

[bitter lodge]

When its to automating anything. You must also sink the same amount :)

so you either double production, or cut it in half

adds a little twist when planning things out.

[hard ivy]

Annoyingly, neither calculator explicitly says what weights it uses

And in Optimizer, they're customizable

[vestal mica]

yeah, the tools output does use a lot more SAM

[hard ivy]

So I'm left guessing in Optimizer until the results march

[bitter lodge]

I always turn off sam xD

its so annoying how it wants me to convert

[untold moat]

only if you forget to disable it

[hard ivy]

Yeah, for DMR

[bitter lodge]

like bruh. I am to poor to do that. I don't even got converters

[untold moat]

interesting... I may try that

[hard ivy]

According to tools, that's more resource efficient than going through shards or oscillators

[bitter lodge]

more specifically. What ever you are storing

like modular frames. You don't need to sink the plates being used to make them, but sink the same amount of modular frames you are storing

[hard ivy]

Greeny once said something fishy about what he thinks "WP" is, so either he forgot what it was since he coded tools, or tools are coded incorrectly lol

[untold moat]

of course this will accelerate my midgame quite a bit... though it does mean I can't automate until I unlock sinks...

[humble bough]

If I have 50 iron ingots a min how can I split it into 10 and 40 units a min?

[hard ivy]

1 splitter and have the 10 side actually consume 10 and no more

[untold moat]

tools was coded long ago, greeny said that they have better plans for the New Tools that they are in the process of developing

[untold moat]

depends on exactly what you want to do. are they both going into production, logistics, or storage?

[humble bough]

production

[bitter lodge]

manifold :D

[minor rock]

yeah you can do this or be a chad and split it into 5, combine 4, and done 🧠

[hard ivy]

Oh, I know, it's just that he quoted an incorrect definition of WP a few days/weeks ago so I have no clue what's actually in Tools. Is he only wrong now, or was he always wrong?

[lucid pagoda]

are the throughput monitors actually accurate? all my math says i should have a certain number, the machines limit but im getting something way different

[humble bough]

I can send a link to the diagram if needed

[hard ivy]

±1 or 2, yes. But only for mostly steady flow. It won't accurately count a train station without a buffer for example

[vestal mica]

yeah, is see. to save SAM logistics is spending a lot of other stuff but getting a by product of super position oscillators

[hard ivy]

I'll calc the WP for both and see which one got it lower. But not now. Or you can do it if you want

[vestal mica]

where do the resource weights live

i just grabbed weight here... https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer/blob/main/examples/weighted_minimization.json

logistics gets a lower total score and it gets free oscillators

[hard ivy]

WP is SUM(amount of resource used / number of resource available)

Times some multiplier to make it a sensible number but it doesn't matter as long as it's the same

[vestal mica]

i just multiplied those weights times the amount used

i have no idea if those weights are legit

[hard ivy]

2100 uranium, 10200 SAM, both with a weight of 20

[hard ivy]

Optimizer has custom weights so any weight is legit

[vestal mica]

true, but which do you actually value more

[hard ivy]

It's just not WP unless it's actually WP

[vestal mica]

i see. so given teh arbitrary weights i pulled from that example script, logistics comes out slightly better

but you could weight them however you want

[hard ivy]

you could

[vestal mica]

but just raw WP as you say isn't perfect either. it's ok to use 100% of your uranium... on the only thing you can use uranium on

[hard ivy]

Greeny claims tools optimizes for WP, and I have no clue what logistics optimizes for
optimizer can do whatever you want

[vestal mica]

i don't know. i'd almost weight uranium 0 in this

but since both are using 600, it wouldn't change the outcome no matter how much you weight it. only the margin

[hard ivy]

if you're optimizing for max power from 600 uranium, the weight of uranium doesn't matter.

or rather, it's 0

no weighing of other resources would make it use less than 600

[vestal mica]

like, if I make coal a little more valuable then suddenly the tools solution is better. they are both close

[hard ivy]

try WP

[vestal mica]

do you calculate a wp value for each resource?

and then what?

[hard ivy]

WP weights:

    Bauxite: 1/123
    Caterium Ore: 1/150
    Coal: 1/423
    Copper Ore: 1/369
    Crude Oil: 1/126
    Iron Ore: 1/921
    Limestone: 1/699
    Nitrogen Gas: 1/120
    Raw Quartz: 1/135
    SAM: 1/102
    Sulfur: 1/108
    Uranium: 1/21

[warped pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831867173269012541/1351900598970351659/C7C9BB07-5880-4712-83ED-CFE4B6B76511.gif

[vestal mica]

at those weights tools is 1% better roughly

but logistics still has free superposition oscillators

"free". 96/min in fact

now my question is, using just the uranium solution and sinking the plutonium how many resources does it take to get to 420GB?

GW

that you're getting from the ficsonium rod solution and 600 uranium

[leaden ether]

I would not have imagined they made the elevators so complicated that I couldn't figure them out but here we are... 😦 Setup, three floors, each floor powered (What a terrible place for the power BTW). Set up the buttons and... no go?!?

[vestal mica]

they should have just paid linear solutions guy

or gal

or whatever the elevator mod is called

[leaden ether]

ALL resources or just the uranium? Without slooping 600 uranium gets you 75 GW

[tropic plover]

Uhmmm with the hover pack...how do I descend? lol

[vestal mica]

no we were looking at how much power you got from 600 uranium if you sink the plutonium rods. it's 180GW with alts

[hard ivy]

I had to bump the weight of SAM all the way to 6.4 times WP to get optimizer down to 3413.333 SAM (Logistics' result)

but it doesn't make oscillators, it makes shards

I did not allow it to output shards

it used them on ionized
and packaged and sunk it because I did not allow it to burn it either

[sour ledge]

i understand it's realistic, but man, driving a train manually on a busy track is just not an option. I am not that good at predicting when im gonna need to hit the brakes.... so many crashes.

[leaden ether]

OMG I just figured out my elevator problem 😦 THe moment I hooked up the first floor to power it blew my nacent powerplant breaker -.-

[hard ivy]

idek what's going on with Logistics' weights

[leaden ether]

Just how many megawatts do these things take?!

[vestal mica]

yeah, no idea. it may just be flat setup to not do any sam alchemy unless it's absolutely needed

[shy mulch]

I've got a save going atm where I'm trying to complete the MAM while staying on phase 0
There's about 6 or 7 researches that are impossible for this scenario, but most can be done!

[vestal mica]

i have a save where you're not allowed to hand craft anything that can be made in a machine except portable miners

[leaden ether]

Why on earth do they not let you select the item icons for the elevator buttons... 😡

[hard ivy]

Portable miners can be made in a machine tho

Why make an exception

[vestal mica]

they can. but hand mining is also not allowed

and you have to unlock what to make that recipe available?

[hard ivy]

Steel

[bitter lodge]

what are wp weights?

[vestal mica]

yeah, so how do you unlock steel with no hand mining and no hand crafting and no portable miners

[hard ivy]

You didn't mention no handmining before

[vestal mica]

sorry, yeah, no sitting there while your character tinks on anything

[hard ivy]

With that restriction, it's probably impossible

[vestal mica]

yeah, you can hand mine the outcrops, but not the nodes

[hard ivy]

Though it might be possible to unlock steel with only crash site items lmao

[vestal mica]

anyway, that was the one exception.

yeah, but it wasn't meant to be a challenge to make the start tedious and dumb, just a restriction on gameplay when you were feeling lazy

[ember locust]

could you find the materials for the hub upgrades, a miner, smelter & constructor just from crash sites maybe?

[hard ivy]

WP weights:

    Bauxite: 1/123
    Caterium Ore: 1/150
    Coal: 1/423
    Copper Ore: 1/369
    Crude Oil: 1/126
    Iron Ore: 1/921
    Limestone: 1/699
    Nitrogen Gas: 1/120
    Raw Quartz: 1/135
    SAM: 1/102
    Sulfur: 1/108
    Uranium: 1/21

100 divided by the total amount of that resource available on the map

[vestal mica]

i don't think there are any portable miners just sitting around. so to get to steel, you'd have to scavange enough materials for space elevator parts and assemblers to make them and so on

probably not possible, and definitely not fun even if it is

[ember locust]

yeah, apparently no portable miners around any crash sites

[vestal mica]

although if you skip onboarding i guess you could do it

but i didn't. so it is what it is. that save is in phase 4 i finally unlocked manufacturers and can finally make dimensional depots

i'm not starting it over

[ember locust]

i think there are enough materials to get through onboarding, the only problem being that building a miner requires a portable miner
so perhaps you could unlock tier 2 part assembly, get the assembler, unlock the portable miner alt recipe and feed it scavenged materials?

that does actually sound kinda fun

a nightmare, but a fun nightmare nonetheless

[vestal mica]

i think you need steel for the portable miner recipe to even show up in the mam

[ember locust]

oh true, you need to have reached basic steel production

[bitter lodge]

interesting

[opaque tangle]

o/

[vestal mica]

my other start a game on a whim save is the 20 minute phase save. each space elevator phase has to go from 0 to complete in exactly 20 minutes

[ember locust]

...scavenged materials for 50 smart plating potentially?

[vestal mica]

i'll never finish that one. not sure phase 4 and 5 are possible

[elder apex]

easily, there are tons of rotors and rips around

[ember locust]

you'd have to fight a lot of monsters with nothing but a xeno-zapper
i dont have the fps for that to be a fair fight so someone else will have to take on that challenge (unless i turn on the monsters are passive/retaliate setting)

[vestal mica]

you'd also have to scavenge enough materials to build the space elevator. enough materials to unlock steel...

[sullen gull]

So, today I learned this was possible ... #screenshots message

[gleaming oak]

DROP subnautica 2 now please

[vestal mica]

the point of it was just to do like lazy bastard in factorio, not make the start of the game some obnoxious slog

[leaden ether]

That's... good to know

[ember locust]

there are enough materials for the space elevator except for wire, only 983 in the world when the space elevator requires 1500

and im not sure that problem can be solved

[sullen gull]

Lol, I should have gotten in the video, but there is a small gap still between the Pipeline wall mounts 😏

[ember locust]

unless. sinking enough materials to collect tickets and buy it from the awesome shop??

[vestal mica]

i'm not convinced. the hologram for the pipe when you're making it looks like it goes into the first wall mount and is just clipping through that second one

[lost wagon]

something I am doing in my blueprint is leaving behind pieces of Mk6 belt, and I don't even have it

[ember locust]

i am for sure going to attempt this at some point, just with passive monster settings. it does actually sound like a lot of fun to try and figure out how to get a portable miner without hand crafting or hand mining

[vestal mica]

there is a way. skip onboarding.

🙂

[ember locust]

no skips! because i want to suffer!

[rain junco]

That is actually really really nice

[flat patio]

is the pipeline manual up to date

[rain junco]

Isn't that why we play satisfactory?

[stark solar]

It's worth doing the space elevator quest once. Probably best to skip it in subsequent playthroughs

[vestal mica]

that's cool and all. but we're talking about how you could get a portable miner if you aren't allowed to ever hand mine or hand craft

[stark solar]

Ah, self-imposed challenges?

[bitter lodge]

I seen people talk about doing different floors for different machines....until I had to put down 121 refineries, and quickly learned how much I underestimated the amount of floor space these things would take up

[vestal mica]

yeah, is it possible to unlock steel. which would require building the space elevator and unlocking steel with just scavanged parts from around the world.

because steel is what unocks the portable miner alt recipe

[stark solar]

hmm. Interesting question

[bitter lodge]

then get iron pipe recipe?

[atomic notch]

doggos?

[vestal mica]

do doggos give portable miners?

[atomic notch]

idk

[ember locust]

even if they did, would you still be alive by the time they do

[stark solar]

doggos could give most of the mats to advance in the tech tree

[sullen gull]

Here you go mister "Non-Believer"! 😏

#screenshots message

[ember locust]

its probably possible but that's just kind of a waiting game with no real challenge

[bitter lodge]

doggos can bring me a whole nuke nobilisk, but asking for a portable miner is out of the question?

[sullen gull]

Although, now that I think about it... that water is coming back from the other side 🤣

🤦‍♂️

[stark solar]

Yeah, I think it would be absolutely excruciating, but I don't see a reason doggos couldn't pull you all the way up to steel, with enough patience.

And once you have steel you'll have portable miners and you're good from then on

Without doggos it would be far harder, perhaps impossible

[shy mulch]

I'm 200 hours into a save that's still on phase 0, lizard doggos are doing most of the work haha

[sullen gull]

Try it out, report back how that goes 👍

[stark solar]

Tinker: I'm not into runs that are that painful

[shy mulch]

My factories are powered by geothermal and APA 😄

[ember locust]

me neither tbh . but someone has to find out if its possible (non-doggo route)

[bitter lodge]

what is apa?

[shy mulch]

alien power augmenter

[atomic notch]

yeah

[sullen gull]

-# is scared of asking this:

Why's that?

[stark solar]

Oh, without doggos I'm not sure there are enough materials from crash sites to get you to steel.

[ember locust]

i think there are enough materials around for everything, the only challenge being wire for the space elevator, but i can try trading tickets for them in the awesome shop

[stark solar]

Ah, right. If awesome shop is allowed that reopens some doors.

er, wait. actually

[shy mulch]

remember doggos can give you steel

I missed what the challenge was that you're talking about, but it felt relevant

[bitter lodge]

SMH

its 10 sloops to build one ;-; god damn

[ember locust]

but if wanted, we could set another restriction that you're only allowed to use the awesome shop if and only if it is surely completely impossible to access the material needed otherwise. if you need 1 more rod to complete your mission and its on the other side of the world, you gotta go there

[sour ledge]

ah, the joys of trains. spent over half an hour troubleshooting signals, rebuilding rail to try and work around any glitches, and the problem the whole time:

Station i was sending it to was flipped the wrong way 🤦

[stark solar]

But if you disallow the awesome shop it's a real question as to if there's enough free mats to do it

[shy mulch]

worth it though

[sour ledge]

all the bloody error said was "Signalling error, unable to reach station" so i drove myself nuts fighting the signals, but no

no it was just trying to go backwards

[atomic notch]

doesnt look like portable miner can be looted from doggos

[ember locust]

definitely not, you cant access tier 3 and the alt recipe without the space elevator, which needs 1500 wire, and the world only collectively has 983. so if you bar the use of doggos, it's completely impossible

that could be two different potential routes to complete the challenge though: awesome shop but no doggos, or doggos but no awesome shop

[stark solar]

doggos can give you both material components

[atomic notch]

no handcrafting tho

[stark solar]

Crusader: Sure, but if you allow doggos, you can then use a machine to assemble your first portable miners

[ember locust]

i wouldnt have the patience for the doggo route, so if i attempt the challenge i will try the awesome shop route

[stark solar]

from mats the doggos get you

[bright magnet]

ha theres alot of people that goof with Factorio and Satisfactory

[stark solar]

The awesome shop route will also be pretty unpleasant

Neither of these sound fun to me.

[bitter lodge]

not with just biomass burners though

[ember locust]

we shall see . . .

[bitter lodge]

the thing only augments based on whats it fed

doggo challenge just sounds like waiting and nothing else o,e

if you are only relying on the doggos, you literally just sit...wait....and hope the doggo gives what you want. Not even a "challenge" unless you are challenging your patience

[atomic notch]

not doggo strat but playing with restrictions its still a source of mats

[vestal mica]

this was why I allowed myself to hand craft portable miners but nothing else. the point wasn't to make it unfun. just to add a restriction

[bitter lodge]

at least you are able to do something then

how bad of an idea is to manifold 3k water-?

[broken thorn]

Yes

[atomic notch]

depends on what youre capable of

[bitter lodge]

mk2 pipes

[broken thorn]

Yes

[bitter lodge]

3k water for 121 refineries...

lowkey don't think I can be asked to load balance that nonsense

[sullen gull]

Easy peasy

[broken thorn]

Honestly it isn't impossible if you feed that pipe from different points

but you'd probably end with some backflow unless you use verticallity to your advantage

[bitter lodge]

RIGHT

[atomic notch]

honestly running it all in one would be more complicated then just balancing it

[bitter lodge]

its just 5 full pipes of water which isn't bad. but if I do make them go higher before bringing them to the factory. I shouldn't have to worry then right?

[stark solar]

For water, if it divides evenly there's no point to connect all your waters to each other

[sullen gull]

That's 5 mk2pipes. put one in each end, one in the middle, and the last two between the ends and the middle. Done

[sour ledge]

i usually just go insane attaching pipes to other pipes to other pipes when a liquid refuses to manifold cleanly, and eventually it sorts itself 'o.o

[sullen gull]

@bitter lodge

[stark solar]

Just route each production to sufficient outputs to consume it entirely and you're done

[spark mason]

will trucks wait in a station forever until they are filled 100%?

[bitter lodge]

it seperates really funk

750
120
32
2057.14

[spark mason]

what if i want a truck to take 50% from one station and 50% from another

[sullen gull]

Click on the yellow pause at the station when veiwing the route and set the wait time

[bitter lodge]

so I was thinking...just send the 5 pipes until they basically run out

[sullen gull]

Read back

[spark mason]

i have no wait time nodes but they automatically park in the station

[bitter lodge]

#screenshots

please explain how that works with my currently layout

[sullen gull]

The staions always have a wait time.

[bitter lodge]

cause like what- That sounds like 3 pipes total? I am pumping 5 pipes minimum

[sullen gull]

Or is a pause node rather.

[spark mason]

i will check it again then

[sullen gull]

3000 = 5 mk2

3000/600 = 5

[bitter lodge]

yes. that is what I stated?

[sullen gull]

Was confused by the 3 pipes total part. Sec, checking ss

[bitter lodge]

:) this works out great

each refinery for iron only needs 20 water

[sullen gull]

thanks, was just going to ask that

[bitter lodge]

so 30 refineries per pipe

[tropic plover]

Can you sink packaged water?

[bitter lodge]

to bad there is only a low low amount of 102 for iron :D I never built this big before and feel overwhelmed

[bitter lodge]

yes, but if possible. Wet concrete recipe is often easier to sink excess water

[sullen gull]

Right, but, I would make them into one big manifold persay, and still plumb the same with the incoming... one at each end, one in the "middle (60 refineries on one side, and then 60 on the other, and then the last two inbetween 30's .

[bitter lodge]

huh

[sullen gull]

What are you making with the refineries?

[bitter lodge]

i will ping

nvm don't got pic

I am making a lot of iron, copper, and concrete

pure and wet recipe

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok

[spark mason]

the wait time was 1 second, so whats up with it?

[bitter lodge]

raw resource wise.
1200 coal
1500 copper
3600 iron
1500 limestone

so to get the most bang for buck. Using pure :>

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch Truck+Station

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Truck+Station

[dense violet]

but.. have you considered alloy?

[bitter lodge]

doesn't give as much

[stark solar]

Alloy is good in Horizon Zero Dawn

[sullen gull]

Nice. That's what I am doing as well with my rebuild of my starter base.

[bitter lodge]

from pure raw iron to ingot. pure is best

[dense violet]

sure but it's a shit ton less work. And doesn' treduce it much

[bitter lodge]

The more ingots. The more production

[sullen gull]

There is no "crazy" work involved just because you have a problem with plumbing. 🙄

[dense violet]

bring more in, always more ingots avaialbe

[bitter lodge]

more ingots available with pure recipe

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I'd rather bring in some water than a bunch of copper

[sullen gull]

I would, 100000000000%

[bitter lodge]

I built over water specifically for this lmao

[echo estuary]

Is there a reason why my smelter won't smelt my iron even though it has power?

[stark solar]

Will: Did you give it the iron recipe?

[vestal mica]

mabye the iron smelts bad

[bitter lodge]

the belt could be clogged with something besides raw iron

[stark solar]

Will: Is its input sufficiently full? Is its output sufficiently empty?

[echo estuary]

yes i did

[echo estuary]

both are empty

[stark solar]

if your input is empty then there's no mats to work with

[echo estuary]

yeah i know that but i put iron in it and it wont smelt

[stark solar]

Did you put it in manually or via a belt?

[sullen gull]

Doing the same: #design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

show an image ofthe contorl panel in #math-and-meta and try to trouble shoot there

[stark solar]

It's not paused, is it?

[echo estuary]

its not

[echo estuary]

belt

[stark solar]

So, manually put some iron ore in, ensure it's powered and has an empty output, and see what happens.

[echo estuary]

just sent one

[bitter lodge]

oh ya I seen, thought it was pretty damn cool

[echo estuary]

it works when i do that but not when its from a belt

[vestal mica]

rebuild the belt

[stark solar]

Will: Delete the belt coming in and make a new one

[vestal mica]

there's something in there blocking it or it's not actually connected

[stark solar]

There's room in the belt that's deep in the machine that's hard to see, could be some non iron ore thing in there

If you're really fussy over it you may be able to select the item and pull it out, but it's really annoying to get that right

Deleting the belt will put any item on it in your inventory, definitely clearing any wrong item blockage

[sullen gull]

Also, not sure if you were planning to already, but 10 extractors @ 250 is all you should need. Two per pipe.

[echo estuary]

it works now appreciate it guys

[stark solar]

Will: Glad to hear it

[bitter lodge]

ya

excatly what I did. so I got an extra 600 pipe now

sorry, I did 12 extractors

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok.

[bitter lodge]

mainly cause my BP is 6 pipes

I should make the water go up first before sending it into my factory huh?

the pipes are on the same Y level basically as the refineries though?

[stark solar]

In some locations you can actually have water come down into your factory, which is fun

[sullen gull]

You said you're right on the water?

[bitter lodge]

ya

[dense violet]

unescesary

[peak wasp]

I havent played since 2019.. ._.

[broken thorn]

why?

[dense violet]

having a pump to create head lift does the same effect

[broken thorn]

he could well make a water tower using and save up on a lot of pumps

[bitter lodge]

actually ya

[dense violet]

water towers also don't help

[sullen gull]

If it were me, I bring them up high enough to get a mk1 on at least and you're set from the looks of it

[bitter lodge]

I could literally just throw a mk2 pump on each line ._.

[dense violet]

it's pipe layout that's important.

[stark solar]

I've actually never built a water pump

[dense violet]

if you're having pipe issues make a qna post, or put images in #math-and-meta , happy to help

[stark solar]

Beaten the game a few times, but I never needed a pump

[bitter lodge]

the pipes aren't even connected to machines yet

[sullen gull]

Yeah, because headlift doesn't matter 🙄 Why do you even bother dude?

[bitter lodge]

was just a general question as I was bringing the water to the factory

[sullen gull]

He is just trying to be "the smartest guy in the room", and he doesn't even play. smh

[hard ivy]

I suggest putting the main manifold pipe a few metres above the refinery inputs

[dense violet]

ah well, planning it properly before bringing it there is very important xD if you want to share images and sketch what you're trying I'm happy to help 🙂

[broken thorn]

Who exactly I'm lacking context

[dense violet]

eh, feeding above is fine, but ime generally doesn't do much

[broken thorn]

feeding from above literally solves 9/10 of all pipe issues 😭

[lost wagon]

coming up with compact factory design is complicated

[broken thorn]

at least that's what I could tell after many and many piping

[hard ivy]

Considering I haven't had issues since I started doing it, I'd even say 10/10

[dense violet]

I'm guessing tinker is being narky again
and feeding from above is fine, but it's layout that's the killer.

[bitter lodge]

the water is at most going up like..5-10 meters from where its being sourced from

[stark solar]

The biggest pipe issue is lung cancer

[broken thorn]

feeding from below when having to use exactly the pipe's limit always result in problems, like 99% of the time

[bitter lodge]

so just gonna slap a mk2 pump on each of the 6 pipe lines and I should be totally fine

[broken thorn]

and as soon as I feed it from above the problem is solved

like bud 😭

[sullen gull]

Which, I already gave, but you're a sensitive nancy and have me blocked 🙂

[wild kindle]

do you need stators for a lot of things or just motors

[dense violet]

feeding from below even with only 400 can cause serious issues.

[wild kindle]

i made a stator farm but im wondering if i should just use all the stators for motors or save some

[broken thorn]

horizontal is the in between, it's 50/50 to give problems

[bitter lodge]

so you are saying if I bring the pipe down 2-3 meters, then back up 2-3 meters even with mk2 pumps....I will have issues?

[broken thorn]

but I'll always try to go from above

[dense violet]

but there's ways to manage it.
I was forced to learn how because I like the aesthetics of bottom feeding too much xD

[leaden ether]

For building you need rotors and motors no stators. For other things, not much

[broken thorn]

yeah I got too used to bottom feeding with belts 😭

[dense violet]

too general a statement.

[bitter lodge]

how in the fuck does that make any sense?

[hard ivy]

Doesn't matter. It's about having the liquid drop straight down right before entering the machine

[dense violet]

come into #math-and-meta with me

[wild kindle]

ok thanks

[bitter lodge]

I JUST WANT TO PUMP WATER

[broken thorn]

My battery tower needing 15k stators:

[bitter lodge]

and yall make it sound like rocket science

[urban root]

Forgot my mouse. Only have laptop. Chat should I go buy a mouse so I can get efficient while traveling for work

[bitter lodge]

so I should have the pipes on the ceiling and pipe down!?

[broken thorn]

yes

[bitter lodge]

is that my solution?

[leaden ether]

Oh man! Okay if you are making storage batteries I guess you need a lot 😄

[sullen gull]

And they say I give "bad advice"? This is genuinely sad and hilarious to me all at the same time 🤣

[bitter lodge]

That is ugly as hell

[hard ivy]

No, it's worse. There are people in the world who understand rocket science. I don't think there's anyone who fully understands SF pipes

[fathom shuttle]

Yea, no way around it

[bitter lodge]

;-;

[fathom shuttle]

Color them to look pretty or something

[bitter lodge]

Im pumping from underneath, and my machines will run at 100%

[broken thorn]

I couldn't agree more. You either go with efficiency or looks here. I generally try to do both

[hard ivy]

Not from the ceiling. Like 4 above refinery inputs meters is enough

[broken thorn]

They will not, unless you're only using half the pipe's cap lol

[bitter lodge]

I will test a 600 pipe on 30 refineries manifold style

each one takes 20 water/min

[broken thorn]

so cooked

[bitter lodge]

if it works. Then I am doing it for the other 90+

[hard ivy]

It'll work if it's from above.

Can't guarantee anything if you don't

[bitter lodge]

I DON'T WANNA ABOVE. its gonna look so ugly

[sullen gull]

I do. 10000% And I do confidently claim that.

[bitter lodge]

[broken thorn]

Then do 2 300/min mk2 pipes

[dense violet]

I can show you how to do it side by side if you want? it's pretty easy

[bitter lodge]

I am going to stubbornly try my method first

[broken thorn]

feeding from below with 600 /min pipes is crazy

[hard ivy]

I call bullshit

[bitter lodge]

if it doesn't work. then I will do the damn ceiling thing

[dense violet]

behold my madness 😛 #1371599052747177994 message

[sullen gull]

Give me any setup, send the save, I'll tell you exactly why it won't work

[bitter lodge]

Don't got time. I gotta switch to FFXIV in like 5 minutes

[dense violet]

are you pipes coming from the manifold from below?

[bitter lodge]

yes.

[dense violet]

ok, when it doesn't work ping me, I do this often

[bitter lodge]

They are gonna be a manifold from below the refineries

[broken thorn]

Can someone send @sullen gull Josh's save and then ask him to find out why the nuclear reactor number #47 is working at 99% efficiency and not 100% ?

[bitter lodge]

I don't understand why it wouldn't work

[dense violet]

it's not something I recommend but its possible

[dense violet]

fluid wants to flow down always

[sullen gull]

Does it have to do with plumbing? 😏

[dense violet]

and this causes back flow and stuttering

[bitter lodge]

this makes no sense. Each machine needs 20. There is 600. that is 30 machines. Manifold, let them all fill. Kick them on at the same time.

[bitter lodge]

das what the pump is for!?

[fathom shuttle]

It won’t work, just don’t waste your time

[bitter lodge]

:c my factory. My chaos

[sullen gull]

That will not work if you just feed from one end. The end ones will starve

[dense violet]

that's jsut potential headlift

every time a machine feeds off the pipe it creates gaps

[broken thorn]

Good luck finding what pipe between the sea of hundreds of pipes that cover the grassy fields in a 🍝 is underflowing 😭

[sullen gull]

Lol, I'm aware 🤣

[bitter lodge]

my factory. My chaos

[leaden ether]

I very frequently manifold below my machines for a bit of cleanliness. I think the only time you really need to feed from above is if you have some wacky piping at machine level...

[bitter lodge]

I can't even feed from under-

[dense violet]

have you visually looked at that generator and seen it flicker on/off? cause I wouldn't trust those efficiency meters

[bitter lodge]

I didn't leave space....

.-.

[polar flame]

when should you place a fluid buffer before or after a manifold

[bitter lodge]

no way I am replacing 121 refineries....

[broken thorn]

It was a joke...

[dense violet]

never

[fathom shuttle]

Why?

[broken thorn]

Also for what reason couldn't I trust the efficiency meters?

[dense violet]

ah, LGIO josh I take it?

[polar flame]

what use is it then lol

[dense violet]

they used to be extremely unreliable, now it's just unknown how reliable they are.

[broken thorn]

Yes

[bitter lodge]

@hard ivy I fucked up ;-; I gotta pipe from up to down

[dense violet]

largely trains 🙂

[broken thorn]

😂

[polar flame]

lol

[broken thorn]

well well well

[bitter lodge]

question for you. if I have the pipes above the refineries, can I manifold it?

[dense violet]

most any other situation they don't give any benefit and can fuck your flow if not done right

[sullen gull]

Though, I should maybe note that I am currently plumbing for 448 nuclear reactors .. soo ... 🤷‍♂️

[bitter lodge]

I DIDN'T LEAVE SPACE UNDER

[leaden ether]

I know how reliable they are after nearly 900 hours. It's just there is a lot of mistrust from years of funky EA behavior that'll take some time to go away.

[bitter lodge]

didn't even get to try piping from under

[dense violet]

you can always manifold it. no matter what position

[bitter lodge]

warned nothing

[dense violet]

well vertical manifolds are the devil.

[bitter lodge]

.-. easier solution

problem solved.

[bitter lodge]

so they won't really work?

[broken thorn]

they will Ig but pipes are impossible to predict

[dense violet]

some people have claimed liquid manifolds worked. The yprobably need to be quite short, and under certain circumstances.

[hard ivy]

Ok, 15 HOR refineries, all side by side, feeding HOR into a pipe a few meters above the outputs. 600/min total

Consumed by 20 DPF refineries all side by side, main pipe on the same level, perfectly straight.

Doesn't work.

But 30 HOR refineries (same pipe position) taking Oil from a 600/min pipe does work

Both flushed

Why?

[bitter lodge]

I was kind of picturing having the pipes just come straight down to the machine. No splitting while moving vertical

[broken thorn]

I did a setup like that and it worked normally

[dense violet]

I'd have to see an image of what exactly you mean.
a lot about pipes is very specific to shape

[broken thorn]

You didn't send the save tho

[bitter lodge]

tomorrow thing then

[sullen gull]

Send me the save

[bitter lodge]

I was thinking of like having a pipe go straight. Put a intersect on it, and it goes down

[steady glade]

did they fix the thing where you cant go back up to 600m3 flow3 rate?

[dense violet]

that could look like a lot xD

[bitter lodge]

so it manifolds, but when feeding. it will go nowhere else

[broken thorn]

You can, it's a skill issue

[dense violet]

just share an image before you do it xD

[bitter lodge]

Idk how to word it ;-; I can't make it. I am on FFXIV now

[broken thorn]

devs said it themselves

[steady glade]

no i said that cuz it works now for me

[bitter lodge]

ima make it in paint :)

[hard ivy]

I'll DM it to you tomorrow. I have to wake up in 5 hours so I ain't booting up my PC now XD

[dense violet]

gl getting all the frags onlining!

[broken thorn]

ah aight

[bitter lodge]

the what-

[fathom shuttle]

Sleep then lol

[dense violet]

I'm teasing. Don't stress

[broken thorn]

the frags duh

[bitter lodge]

there is no frags in FFXIV

[dense violet]

frags is an old term for killing things in a game

[broken thorn]

yes there Is

[bitter lodge]

ya for like cod?

[dense violet]

older, like doom/quake

[mellow pewter]

I'm curious, at what point do you guys start making more complex factories and manifolds?

[dense violet]

don't mind me I'm just going to go into the corner and turn to dust

[broken thorn]

Yes

[ember locust]

never. i overthink until my brain shuts down to avoid building the factory at all costs

[mellow pewter]

That's exactly what I try to avoid...

[broken thorn]

Tbh shit gets pretty easy once you have bulky bp designers and make a good looking 780 / 1200 input bp

[ember locust]

i have put in like 200 hours into this game so far and only a few days ago had i built my first manifold (i have not yet completed the factory lmfao) ((and to be far i have never gone past tier 4))

[bitter lodge]

:) can I dm you my terrible drawing?

[dense violet]

sure xD

[sullen gull]

Manifolds aren't ever really "complicated". Those would be balancers probably. But it usually starts probably between phase 3 and 4 I'd say.

[broken thorn]

I start doing balancers at { }

Tier 10 is the best for manifolds

[ember locust]

it's less about ease and more about my undying perfectionism craving balancers.
which is why i overthink my factory trying to force it to be balancer only until my head explodes

[broken thorn]

You could just download a balancer online, but I understand it. I don't use those either

there are github thingies to help with it too