satisfactory

[smoky forge]

i do not know, i got some mods but they dont revolve around creatures

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots it doesn’t get more perfect than this

[white dawn]

Ah, well I'd lay even money it's either AGS or a mod, then

[shrewd raven]

That pisses me off not because it’s bad it’s just the fact it isn’t organised and it’s just a huge clump really annoys me

[fathom shuttle]

Needs 2 hours to charge lmao

[white dawn]

Stingers really aren't rare. Something you've got configured must be blocking their spawns

[west jackal]

how do you use sloops in buildings?

[hard ivy]

you have to unlock it

[smoky forge]

ig so

[hollow hazel]

If it is AGS, then Math ain't getting any achievements.

[fathom shuttle]

I couldn’t think of a way to make uglier. I’ll add a lot more of them so it becomes really ugly

[west jackal]

i had it unlocked, im just dumb

[fathom shuttle]

Took me 100k wire

[west jackal]

is max 1?

[fathom shuttle]

Depends on the number of inputs the machine has

[shrewd raven]

There’s a special place in FICSIT for you, it’s called FICSHIM

[hard ivy]

depends on the machine

1, 2, or 4

[fathom shuttle]

This is ADA’s fault for giving me mk2 blueprint designer

[west jackal]

for a constructor is it 1?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

[west jackal]

dang

[hard ivy]

in general, you need as many sloops as there are input ports on the machine

[white dawn]

Advanced Game Settings seems like the most obvious culprit to me; there's an option in there to completely disable the stingers altogether. I'd check that first.

[fathom shuttle]

You want to sloop things like space elevator parts and expensive items you just unlocked

[fathom shuttle]

Is there an exception to this?

[wicked nacelle]

never thought about it that way

[smoky forge]

so i found a shiny blue cave

[lost wagon]

why sometimes the lift refuses to snap in the merger

[shrewd raven]

Ngl I’m pretty proud of myself rn, today I’ve built 2 iron factories all super clean, stared steel manufacturing and it’s super clean and I’m starting on my clean copper and concrete factories

[wicked nacelle]

particle accel?

[hard ivy]

particle accelerator (3 inputs, 4 sloops) and packager (2 inputs, doesn't take sloops)

[fathom shuttle]

Haven’t unlnocked them yet

[fathom shuttle]

Oh yea, I remember having a genius idea to sloop packagers for infinite fuel but I was disappointed

[smoky forge]

tell me please where this cave shall be?

i am not finding it

[west jackal]

woah what is dark matter and time crystals??!

[shrewd raven]

Idk if they revamped the swamp and if they did I can’t help u man sorry

[fathom shuttle]

Scary stuff

[smoky forge]

cant u tell me where its located

[shrewd raven]

All I know is that it’s the biggest cave in the swamp

And it’s decently hard to not miss

[smoky forge]

there are other caves?

[gaunt gyro]

Anyone here use Satisfactory Modeler on Steam? Or know if there's a discord for it I can ask a question in?

[shrewd raven]

Not that I know of…

[smoky forge]

ok ok do we talk about the same swamp here?

[kindred siren]

Saw a post claiming you can talk to ADA with the text chat, is this true? Doesn't seem to work in game

[shrewd raven]

The swamp that is a literal horror house connected to the titan forest??

[smoky forge]

#screenshots this one right

[wicked nacelle]

it's dumb that mergers/splitters built on belt seams don't work -- but ti's even dummer that if the game is going to have that limitation that it lets you put them down at all

[white dawn]

What do you mean? You can attach mergers/splitters to "open" belt ends and they should work fine

[wicked nacelle]

no, if you put it across where to parts meet up they just silently don't work

[white dawn]

One that that is annoying is that you can't attach them to conveyor lift entrance/exits (unless that was changed in 1.1)

Ah

[wicked nacelle]

like if you make a belt longer than how long you can make a single belt

and put a merger/splitter where the two parts come together -- it just silently doesn't work

[shrewd raven]

By the looks of it..about…north west

[shrewd raven]

@smoky forge

[fathom shuttle]

Can I feed a manufacturer with the same item from 2 inputs?

[shrewd raven]

Think so

[wicked nacelle]

yes, and for some recipes that's the only way you can get max output

[hard ivy]

yes, but it's a terrible idea

[wicked nacelle]

there's a diamond recipe that needs 1500 coal/m I think at max overclock

[smoky forge]

look ss again

[distant pulsar]

its true but only certain things, for example "hello ADA"

[fathom shuttle]

Why? I’m just hand feeding this one but I’m curious

[hard ivy]

because if one item fills up, both stop

and now you have to fix it manually

[west jackal]

what do i need to know about maxing flow rate in a pipe?

is it still fucky

[fathom shuttle]

The output you mean?

[west jackal]

yea

[hard ivy]

put the manifold above the machine inputs/outputs and you're fine

[west jackal]

300/min in a 300/min pipe

[hard ivy]

that's what I do and it's enough

[west jackal]

and 600/min in a mk2

[wicked nacelle]

you've learend all there is to learn in that case... 😕

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll start using this one

[west jackal]

also is there a way to check how much headlift a pipe has?

[lost osprey]

Is the height of the ocean different in different places? I have two adjacent water pumps that are trying to be off vertically.

[wicked nacelle]

I would assume it's the height of the extractors not the ocean. but I guess maybe that changes the extractor height?

[fathom shuttle]

Ok the frame drops when I pan the camera to the power storage system are crazy

If I cover it up with a wall it should help right

[wicked nacelle]

that happens to some people. I on the other hand have no drop off when looking at like... 4000 of them

[wicked nacelle]

TIAS

[fathom shuttle]

What

[wicked nacelle]

try it and see

[fathom shuttle]

I’m using a 4 core zen 2 cpu…. 😭

[kindred siren]

It's not working, even copy/pasting your message

[wicked nacelle]

if you need to get through your wall, a auto-gate should still give the performance but allow you through. I doubt it's a CPU issue.

[west jackal]

anyone know a good way to check how much headlift a pipe has without just waiting for it to not pump?

[hard ivy]

a pump will tell you

[wicked nacelle]

if you hold a pump it should put a blue marker for your pump to snap to that is about the right height (but can be slightly wonky)

[vagrant oar]

ah you can't link to TIAS 😔

[wicked nacelle]

also, the blue thing that shoots out of it goes to the height it can push water

[west jackal]

no pump, its just the extractor

[sullen gull]

One tip though is to not stick pumps to the bubble. Place them below

[sullen gull]

Then it's 10m

All machines have a 10m initial headlift

[wicked nacelle]

just start with a pump right at the extractor or at the end of where you combine them together to fill a pipe

[bitter lodge]

a manifold system, given enough time (and resources obviously) will eventually continue to produce 100% efficiency?

[warped pawn]

9/17 bauxite nodes mined so far lets goo

[warped pawn]

yes

[sullen gull]

Belt manifolds yes

[bitter lodge]

fucking bet

[sullen gull]

Fluid manifolds are a bit different.

[bitter lodge]

thank you so much. cause load balancing decimals is not gonna happen

[west jackal]

i know that it comes with 10, but i dont know how high its gone

[hard ivy]

it can always happen

[wicked nacelle]

yes, just don't put awesome sinks in dumb places. or it can stop the system from reaching equilibrium

[bitter lodge]

I am lazy

[bitter lodge]

got one of those :)

[sullen gull]

Are you going straight up or on an incline?

[bitter lodge]

nor smart splitters :)

[wicked nacelle]

if you sink an intermediary part that is "excess" then other parts that need the raw resources may become starved

[distant pulsar]

oh hmm it was definitely there at one point. Maybe they removed it or it's different to get to now

there was a whole section in the wiki on it https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/ADA#Chat

[wicked nacelle]

You either need to sink the final parts of the entire system or the excess parts before you split off anything

[fathom shuttle]

Nah I never want to go in there it’s scary

I’m gonna build a big Great Wall

To keep all the Mexicans out

[kindred siren]

Unfortunately that was the first thing I tried

[fathom shuttle]

Oh sorry I meant to cover up the batteries

[smoky forge]

ima just give up im not finding any big cave

[west jackal]

straight up

well both tinker, its straight up first then an incline for a lil

[twilit remnant]

how many seconds can we consider to be the minimum waiting time to for a train to load/unload something from the station?

without any losses

[hard ivy]

the animation always takes 27 seconds. regardless of how many items are actually moved

[sullen gull]

Imo, use a beam, walls, or foundations to measure up to at least 8m. Place your first pump. Both mk1 are cheap, so your pick. After that, when you go to place a new pump, it will show you a blue bubble where the "current" head lift is.

[simple parcel]

Man, I hate fluids in this game

[sullen gull]

Honestly, you shouldn't have to place the first pump to see the bubble though

[sullen gull]

Learning curves for sure, but they aren't bad. Post your issue, with screenshots of the setup, in #1038092680493801533 and I'm sure we could get you sorted.

[wicked nacelle]

I don't disagree but really it's not that big a deal. If you're going to have to pump put a pump right at the start and if you dont' have to pump then it doesn't matter

[leaden turret]

package all the things, problem solved

[wicked nacelle]

packaging gas always... liquids... meh

[sullen gull]

Imo, unless your factory is directly on the water level, you'll always need a min of a mk1.

[wicked nacelle]

I often bring water downhill... at which point you def dont' need pumps 🙂

[sullen gull]

Packaging liquids for train transport vs fluid cars is better.

[wicked nacelle]

but yeah... just start with a pump right off the extractor and then you always get the visual indicators

[wicked nacelle]

Pretty sure it's not. I think it's exactly equal for liquids - only better for gas

but with added complexity for liquids with no increase in throughput

[sullen gull]

And, don't snap to the indicator fyi. Place just before/below

[wicked nacelle]

assuming you're re-using containers, of course

[sullen gull]

I hate that it snaps lol

[simple parcel]

The best way to solve a problem is to eliminate it altogether. I like the way you think.

[leaden turret]

uninstall game, all automation problems solved

[simple parcel]

Also blow up the server while at it

[sullen gull]

Wut server?

[distant pulsar]

Might have been a change with 1.1 update

[west jackal]

i agree, was better when you used conveyors to move oil

[simple parcel]

All of them.

[sullen gull]

Well, you can't ruin everyones fun just cause you want it gone 😏

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots orange walls + default concrete color = 💯

[simple parcel]

The thing is, you do the math and then thing doesn't work like it's supposed to, because the pipes work is some weird way.

[hard ivy]

skill issue

[mortal ginkgo]

sloshing do be like that

[fathom shuttle]

Also helps with the lag issue, thanks for the suggestions @wicked nacelle

[spiral dew]

about to try and make a ~500 plastic per min factory

[simple parcel]

True 😞

[fathom shuttle]

But for some reason my power switch disappeared after I connected. It’s still there and connect but just invisible

[sullen gull]

Throw some screenshots of the setup in #screenshots

[fathom shuttle]

Pretty easy if you have some of the alternates

[wicked nacelle]

@fathom shuttle what flavor gpu you have?

[hard ivy]

make sure you get the alts or you'll need a ton of oil

[warped pawn]

im at 9/17 bauxite nodes, should i get all of them or should i just do it later into the game

[spiral dew]

think i have most of the ones i need

[fathom shuttle]

Equivalent to 2080

[west jackal]

turns out the initial lift was 8m, but the total is like 13m so i needed the pump

[wicked nacelle]

what brand though.. curious which drivers

[sullen gull]

But, do you have enough head lift, do you have the flow distributed across the manifold, and did you maybe place/forget to upgrade a mk1 to mk2

[fathom shuttle]

Oh it’s a GeForce now 2080, so it’s a server chip with 16gb of vram

[wicked nacelle]

interesting, does it run consumer drivers or like.. quadra type drivers?

[smoky forge]

by the way my nvidia 4070 should be able to handle this game easily right?

[west jackal]

nah you need 5090 for lategame

[wicked nacelle]

it all depends how dense you get stuff. But yeah you'll likely be fine... your fps will go down as your factory gets more complex though

[fathom shuttle]

I’m pretty sure that both server, gaming and workstation NVIDIA GPUs run the same drivers.

[wicked nacelle]

nah

[wanton fox]

the industrial buffers for a energy fuel factory should i place it at the beging or the end of ?

[warped pawn]

my 3060 runs well at max graphics, im at midgame

[smoky forge]

cause it seems like my cpu is dragging the performance of my gpu down

[wicked nacelle]

one of the things you're paying for with a quadra card is to use the quadra drivers

[wicked nacelle]

yes, that can be a thing 100%. there are different things that cause different bottlenecks at different times 😕

[smoky forge]

not in like bottleneck, just that my cpu is broken

[primal haven]

keep in mind some of us are gaming on linux as well

[fathom shuttle]

Yea but I’m pretty sure the only difference is that workstation gpus are less frequently updated and optimized for stability, so no day one drivers for games etc

[sullen gull]

@simple parcel You need to split the incoming across that manifold. You could try adding a loop-back across the top of those junctions. Also, that pump in the middle isn't doing anything. You can take that out.

[simple parcel]

Copy, will try that

[tropic plover]

Oh man, the step from needing to complete phase 3 to needing to complete phase 4 is crazy.
Kinda feeling a bit lost and disheartened at the moment.
Do I need to put Bauxite through a refinery before it can be used?

[wicked nacelle]

They aren't on two completely separate code paths, you are correct. -- especially for things like DX/Vulkan interface code

[fathom shuttle]

To get aluminum ingots you need 3 steps lol

[wicked nacelle]

it's dumb that on vertical pipes placing a new pump doesn't default to it always pumping up instead of down

[sullen gull]

Just be aware that fluid manifolds don't work the same as belts. Due to "sloshing", "pressure", or a couple of other terms. You need to distribute the incoming flow across the the mainfold. Start at each end, then middle, middle, etc.

[tropic plover]

And my Bauxite is sooooo far from my hub area and where I have so many things built.
Im going to have to try get power to where I placed the miners and slowly build up stuff on that side of the map

[wicked nacelle]

also annoying, satisfactory needs the concept of whether a power connection point is an input or an output or both and not let you connect - say - an input-only to an input-only

[fathom shuttle]

Time for the choo choos my friend

[wicked nacelle]

trains are great for aluminum since it's localized to the centerline of the map

[sullen gull]

The game is designed to spread you out. Build factiories on location vs bringing everything to a single area.

[fathom shuttle]

Also, things might seem really far away at first but it’s usually 2-3 minutes roundtrip by trains

[wicked nacelle]

and you can always add more trains to increase throughput (if you build your rails right)

[tropic plover]

Lol, I do have 2 at the moment.
Am actually wondering if I should start over and build smarter

But at the same time, that would annoy me more, lol

[sullen gull]

Hell, with jetpack + slide jumping, you can get from one end of the map to the other rather quickly.

[wicked nacelle]

trains are really necessary for a few resources -- aluminum is one of them.

way too much throughput needed to use drones instead

[elder apex]

not true, you can do everything just with belts and pipes if you wish

[wicked nacelle]

with jetpack and a hyper tube cannon it's WAAAY faster

[tropic plover]

To get to the red forest from where I am takes about 20 minutes because you have to basically go around the mountains and up the other side

[wicked nacelle]

obviously.

[sullen gull]

Not so much when you just bring all the bauxite in the world to one area (swamp) and drone out alu products by drone 😏

[wicked nacelle]

so much stuff wants casings and there's not enough oil there to do all the casings stuff

plastic/rubber/aluminum/casings are what I train

[sullen gull]

Nay, with LBF, you can jump right over the red forrest by jumping/gliding between the high points.

[tropic plover]

Would have to research online how to make a canon and then also need to be sure I stay away from the Uranium when coming in to land, its already killed me twice, lol

[west jackal]

where is scannable hard drive upgrade

[hard ivy]

quartz

[sullen gull]

I mean, if you're making 7346/min items, probably 🙂

[west jackal]

gross... thank you

[sullen gull]

Lol, gross?

[west jackal]

i dont have oscillators automated, i have like 50 or 60 from crash sites

i dont feel like make 100

[sullen gull]

And yes, this is true.

[broken thorn]

@mossy galleon #screenshots message check this -> #patch-notes message

[mossy galleon]

ahs okaii, thank youuu

[fast tendon]

Oscillators are awful to automate because their base production rate is very low

[sullen gull]

I always just end up "reproducing" them for each build.

[smoky forge]

nah i got em automated

im supplied now for atleast the next few projects if i even need them for those

[mortal ginkgo]

I just love how a manufacturer takes ages to make it whereas we just bang bang bang and its done

and ADA says we ain't efficient

[wicked nacelle]

one of the mental steps in this game that allows progression is realizing that size doesn't matter. It's nothing to put down 50 manufacturers.

[smoky forge]

lol true

[sullen gull]

Blueprints = newly found ❤️

[wicked nacelle]

it's fine to vertically stack particle accelerators

[fast tendon]

That sounds like a lot to me tbh, especially belting them all

[wicked nacelle]

all it is is a few more walls

[elder apex]

you say that, but one of the big reasons that people around here state for preferring nuclear over rocket fuel is so that they don't have to deploy hundreds of fuel generators

[sullen gull]

See above comment 😏

[wicked nacelle]

I do nuclear because it's way more interesting. that said I have a 4x4 fuel generator blueprint

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, you either put 39583049 fuel gens or make CHUNGUS reactor setups.

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

CHUNGUS reactor setup sound fun

[fast tendon]

Yeah but fuel gens are LOUD

[mortal ginkgo]

also nuclear reactors look cool

[fast tendon]

How am I supposed to get the tinnitus experience

[mortal ginkgo]

so are coal gens, what now, are we supposed to have 39458309458395739847589347598374 coal gens to power up one late game building?

[elder apex]

just trying to point out that there are some people who would rather not repetitively build machines and therefore will do what they can to avoid it.

[mortal ginkgo]

[fast tendon]

Well I mean you could lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont know what I hate about Coal gens.. they are a bit .. chungus

[wicked nacelle]

sure

[fast tendon]

But trains whistle now

[mortal ginkgo]

I still dont know how to approach refineries as well aesthetics wise

[sullen gull]

And not the 'good' chungus 😏

[sullen gull]

But, I just showed you the other day 😏

[fast tendon]

Shame it's only the player's train honk, I'd like the automated trains to whistle time to time

[lost wagon]

I am mastering the ability of putting machines to close of another that not even air can go in between, but I still need to learn the ability of making it vertical too

[sullen gull]

Nah, see, the 'real' trick is making it so that one can walk through it as well 🤣

[lost wagon]

making floors is easy, but let's say instead of having 2 assemby beside eachother making the same thing and you merge the output later, have one on top of another and do the same thing

[fast tendon]

The assemblers are strangely tall

[bitter lodge]

psst...vertical mergers are a friend

[fast tendon]

I usually get the power indicator clipping through the floor

[sullen gull]

Yet a pain to align sometimes.

[wicked nacelle]

I hope they fix them so the spacing works out right when you add on more lift as well as fixing how you can't upgrade them from normal -> smart in place

if you cut off the lift and then re-add another one the snap points for the mergers/splitters become "off" from the standard height offsets in the game

[lost wagon]

don't know what vertical merge is, probably didn't unlock yet

[wicked nacelle]

just like you can split/merge ona flat belt, you can split/merge on a lift

[sullen gull]

Attach a splitter or merger to a lift

[wicked nacelle]

it's not a new part you just aim a splitter/merger at a lift

[lost wagon]

the ugly thing that you snap it on top of the lift? thought that was a bug

[wicked nacelle]

no, you put it in the middle

[sullen gull]

No, to an extended lift

[simple parcel]

Worked like a charm, thank you

[wheat bobcat]

if anyone wants to join my server its in my profile .

[wicked nacelle]

post in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[fathom shuttle]

Instead of making an ISC mess everytime I want to store things, I’ll make a blueprint with a couple hooked up to a dimensional depot and one with like 500 stacks for trains

Buffering on both ends

[wicked nacelle]

isc?

[sullen gull]

Industrial storage container

[wicked nacelle]

o

you very rarely want to store things. usually it just hides problems until you think it was good and you go somewhere else and then the problem pops up and you don't find out until it causes LOTS of problems

[main spire]

what's the best fuel for the jetpack?

[wicked nacelle]

storage containers are great for trains, obv. Just be careful., more storage means more hiding problems

[hard ivy]

packaged liquid biofuel

[sullen gull]

LBF (Liquid Bio Fuel) for most of the game, Ionized later

or if you just want to buy it from the shop.

[north widget]

hey guys wanna ask is there a way to make it where i have a thing i wanan transport from the far right of the map i have batteries in the middle and the destination i wanna go drop off the stuff on the far left can i make the middle drone go to the far right of the map then left to drop off what it got and then go back to get batteries

[wicked nacelle]

drones go from their home port to exactly one other port and then immediately back to their home port.

that is all they can do.

I commonly have a drone port that supplies fuel for all my drones and then each place I use drones I have one drone/drone port where it's only job is to get fuel for the other ones

though now that you don't need batteries for literally anything in the game I don't bother with batteries and use rocket fuel for drones exactly at my nuclear plant where I just use uranium fuel rods

[leaden ether]

I know this isn't infinitely useful due to drones low carry capacity but I do wish I could have one drove service at least two remote drone fueling stations rather than one to one for all of them.

[rotund sentinel]

as a wise man once said,

"the stealer stole the steel from the stolen steel stall"

[north widget]

you can use rocket fuel

never knew that

[sullen gull]

Right after they say "Say this five times really fast"? 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

you can use any of the normal fuel soruces

[north widget]

wait whattt?

[sullen gull]

Yup, all the way up to any nuclear rod

[wicked nacelle]

yeah in 1.0. they have different speeds for the different fuels

you can look up the speeds in the wiki

[hard ivy]

but not ficsonium for some reason

[wicked nacelle]

you can't sink it either, you HAVE to burn it -- the fuel rods I mean

[broken thorn]

isn't ficsonium less power than plutionium

[wicked nacelle]

ficsonium is just the way to burn plutonium and still not have waste that you can't get rid of

[broken thorn]

yeah pretty much

[wicked nacelle]

it's not great, but if you want clean, you have to if you burn plutonium

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I only figured one would be being saditic if you could, so I wasn't considering that 🤣

[broken thorn]

I'd rather just go with rocket fuel

[hard ivy]

or not burn plutonium

it's cheaper and easier anyway

[broken thorn]

nah rocket fuel is easier than nuclear

arguably

[sullen gull]

"In the infamous words of the vultures" Let's not start that again

[wicked nacelle]

it's not a tough argument.

[hard ivy]

I wasn't talking about rocket fuel

but yes

[wicked nacelle]

ficsonium takes a TON of your limited supply of SAM, too

[white dawn]

Uranium nuclear isn't really any more complex than rocket fuel

[wicked nacelle]

apparently if you burn all the uranium/plutonium in the game there isn't enough SAM to process all the downstream waste

[broken thorn]

If you don't recycle it, yeah

[white dawn]

Then again, what else are you using SAM for? :)

[wicked nacelle]

coupons!!!!!

[hard ivy]

if you ignore all non-radioactive ingredients, sure

[wicked nacelle]

I haven't filled my dimensinoal storage with golden nuts yet

[white dawn]

Exactly. :). Storing waste really isn't the problem a lot of folks think it is

[rotund sentinel]

I have a man-made island way off the coast from my nuclear plant, it has around several months worth of storage

avalible that is

[wicked nacelle]

You could even do the underwater building trick and store it under water 🙂

[rotund sentinel]

fish food 👍

[hard ivy]

Matrices take 120 each

That's 6k/min for all 10 augmenters

[white dawn]

Matrices are luxury items just like Ficsonium is. :)

[sharp sentinel]

We're over here thinking about lategame hours, and there's always that one guy who shows up mid-conversation and is like 'Welp, just finished a ten hour play shift, but I finally have enough screws to run my modular frame factory at full overclock.'

[broken thorn]

it isn't very fun doing it but I guess it's an option

[hard ivy]

Nothing says "good game design" like "you can only automate one of the two endgame power sources at a large scale"

[rotund sentinel]

hey, my reinforced plate factory (30 per min) has like 1700 screws or smth

[white dawn]

? I enjoy making both APMs and Ficsonium

[hard ivy]

Mine has 0

[broken thorn]

I mean storing infinite waste

[white dawn]

I mean honestly, yes. Forcing the player to make a choice when doing megaprojects doesn't sound at all bad to me?

[white dawn]

Having done multiple runs where I've stored waste: it honestly isn't bad. You say "infinite" but plop down some blueprints and you've got yourself a thousand hours of storage easy

[hard ivy]

How does this game benefit from that? My PC is perfectly capable of doing both, but the devs decided "nope, you can only spend your time on one massive project or the other".

It's not like the terawatts of power are useful for anything anyway. Why shouldn't I be able to make more until my PC dies?

[twilit remnant]

could someone help me out? i just uploaded a post in the question and help channel

[white dawn]

Your time isn't infinite, neither does your waste storage system need to be

[white dawn]

You're the one setting a "max X" goal for yourself. I'm sure there are many "max X" projects which can't be built simultaneously

Me, I was quite happy on my 1.0 safe where I was making both APMs and Ficsonium

[bright anchor]

Will an rtx 2060 be able to handle the late game for satisfactory?

[fathom shuttle]

We NEED higher capacity pipes bro…

[white dawn]

If I had decided to max one out at the expense of another, I'm not going to consider that a design flaw. That's just me creating that situation.

[lime ermine]

Me with my 9600x and 3070

[white dawn]

Especially since they're both power-related

[sharp sentinel]

The thing you have to realise is for some players here, their way is the only way and it doesn't matter what you say otherwise.

[sharp sentinel]

I actually think I have a better processor, but I can't remember what it is at all.

[sleek wadi]

For why 600 is plenty I barely ever use mk 2 pipes as it is

[broken thorn]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/457105940844380160

[bright anchor]

??

[fathom shuttle]

But anyway, I just made a wet concrete blue print that takes 720 limestone, 600 water and turns it into 480 concrete, just perfection

[sharp sentinel]

I'm just glad that there isn't as prevalent a feeling here anymore that everything has to be running at 100% efficiency.

[fathom shuttle]

Probably not

[sleek wadi]

W

[sharp sentinel]

It'd be more relevant to send that if we weren't discussing the specs required in order to specifically meet the demand of #satisfactory , but good try mate.

[hard ivy]

Fair, but other "max X" projects (max power, max points) have the issue of requiring 10s of 1000s of machines. Which is 1000+ hours of building only for the game to run at miserable FPS on any gaming PC. Max Ficsonium + max Matrices would be entirely possible to do in 500ish hours or even less and at reasonable framerates, if there just was enough SAM

[quaint flax]

why my middle coal generators running out of water?

i got 6 water extractors for 16 coal engines

[sharp sentinel]

It should, though be mindful of higher settings.

[quaint flax]

6 of em doesnt fill

[shrewd raven]

You got any uphill pipes?

[quaint flax]

other 10 works perfectly fine

[quaint flax]

no

[shrewd raven]

Could be leaky pipe syndrome it happens to me sometimes just delete and rebuild the pipes

[dull wraith]

whats the best way to get coupons so i can unlock more building stuff

[white dawn]

My 1060 seems to do just fine. Though it can depend on how big you build, I suppose

[quaint flax]

really? lol

[white dawn]

The system requirements shouldn't lead you astray, re: cards.

[fathom shuttle]

You need to separate the pipes into to, so 3 water extractors feed 8 coal generators etc

[sleek wadi]

If you overclock each water pump to 150% you can do 1 pump per 4 generators

[white dawn]

The game is, in general, more CPU heavy than GPU heavy

[hard ivy]

You're probably trying to push more water through a pipe than it can handle

[broken thorn]

sink ballistic warp drives

[shrewd raven]

Yea it was a name me and my friend came up for it and it was happening a lot with long pipe lines, one just doesn’t function and thus doesn’t fill

Altho check if your pipes are empty before deleting them

[lost wagon]

my brain gonna melt trying to imagine a way to split 3 resouces between 2 assemblies on top of eachother without making a mess of belts and lifts

[dull wraith]

im just doing the second phase

[quaint flax]

are there any channels to post photo+ ask for help?

i believe it would be easier for my case

[broken thorn]

ah, sink thermal propulsion rockets then

[sleek wadi]

Screenshot for photo questions and help for help

[dull wraith]

okay thank you

[shrewd raven]

If the pipes are empty just rebuild them and if that doesn’t fix it, could be that there isn’t enough water being generated

[broken thorn]

jokes aside just get computers, hmf and some stuff like turbo motors from drop sites and sink em

[dull wraith]

okay I thought you where being serouis i havent played in a while so thank you

[shrewd raven]

Whoever invented the modular frame family pack needs to be executed via a flak cannon (Kim jong un did that once)

[smoky forge]

why would you sink turbo motors?

[sharp sentinel]

For turbo tickets.

[broken thorn]

why wouldnt you sink turbo motors

[shrewd raven]

If you haven’t gotten the Tesla cyber truck you should NOT be playing the game

[smoky forge]

cuz they usefull and hella expensive if you not in endgame

[sharp sentinel]

What in sciences name are they useful for if you aren't in the endgame to begin with?

Ornaments to fill storage space?

[smoky forge]

for the stages

u wont waste time making them upfront

[sharp sentinel]

[tacit timber]

Havent played since around 1.0 release. I am in the northern forest and i cant find any crude oil. There used to be like 10 or so oil wells up at the top on the beach.
Did they remove them all?

[shrewd raven]

You guys use the red forest for its resources, im gonna use it as a giant zoo we are NOT the same

[sleek wadi]

There still there

[hard ivy]

unironically my favourite chain in the game

[shrewd raven]

Sigh face the wall

[sleek wadi]

Their range for the scan seemed to be really small for me when I built my plant yhere

[smoky forge]

im just staying in my desert biome the whole time untill i needed bauxite and new gases

[wicked nacelle]

no, oil stayed about the same

[quaint flax]

this worked perfectly fine thank you

1200 mw

[shrewd raven]

Honestly that’s not gonna work out unless you plan to have constant shortages and just pure hell in terms of mass producing a lot of stuff

[sleek wadi]

W

[wicked nacelle]

@tacit timber and of crouse you can always look at SCIM (but make sure you look for oil... well spots not oil... uhh the other kind with the pressurized thingies)

[smoky forge]

yeah ik, ive come this far to near p4 completion but i do consider making a massively new base

[quaint flax]

only problem left is building power lanes without making them ugly

[shrewd raven]

I’m not a mega base dude, I wanna make smaller modular bases not only to reduce lag but just because it’s better and easier to manage. And I’ll have like a control centre or smthn

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

[smoky forge]

i literaly never think about reducing lag, i only think of playing the game honestly

[tacit timber]

yea i was having trouble finding it so I looked there, but i was under resource wells

[smoky forge]

yeah thats a tier 7 and 8 thingy

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, that's the wrong one - do the one under "resource nodes"

those will be the ones your emember

resource scanner scans for both at once I'm pretty sure

[tacit timber]

yea, i was not in the area i thought i was

[wicked nacelle]

radars will put resource locations on your map for you if you have that

and you can toggle that on/off on the map because it gets congested sometimes but it's handy somtimes too 🙂

[broken thorn]

@graceful chasm #screenshots message for late game you'll make a factory 10x that size for 1 /min of an item 😭

[quaint flax]

Power towers are waaaaay longer than i expected whaat

how did i never used ts before

[limber mason]

will the game go on sale for summer steam ?

[broken thorn]

probably

[limber mason]

how much does it go for

[wicked nacelle]

unfortunately hoverpack can't hover between them... so I find myself putting down regular power poles a lot even across long distances and I don't enjoy the zipline tool thingy

[wicked nacelle]

it hasn't been on sale often or for much less since it went 1.0

[quaint flax]

ehh i still dont have hoverpack so i dont think its a problem for now

[dense violet]

... hyper tubes. Much much faster

[wicked nacelle]

Sure. It's a great way to get power out to remote places.. and then you can put down a hypertube cannon to getr back fast once you have power out somewhere far away

[wicked nacelle]

but for exploring I want my pack

[dense violet]

blade runners, jet pack sprint slide jump. Much faster again

[hard ivy]

Yeah, the jetpack lol

[wicked nacelle]

if we're doing that slide jump on a belt and then jetpack.. but often I don't know where I want to be so getting there quickly doesn't help 🙂

fortunately rails do power the hoverpack

[fathom shuttle]

How would you move ISC full of items?

[leaden turret]

belt

[wicked nacelle]

with your own inventry slots.. but the need to do that is basically only if you're setting up a non-automated space elevator part maker

nah, toss your inventory into an ISC, then pick up another ISC's contents and move it then get your stuff back. but really this isn't something to be done very often at all

[leaden turret]

or that, yes

usually if I do that too often I end up with storage containers left all over the place

[maiden notch]

@deep dock #screenshots message I see you have the Protogen Mod. Does it work on current version?

[north widget]

so ive made ploontonium waste now what can i just never get rid of it

[maiden notch]

no

[wicked nacelle]

You can turn it into ficsonium and then burn that which has no waste product

[north widget]

holyyyyyy

dont got that yet sadly

well ill make enough bins i guess

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, but you can store a LOT of plutonium waste easily

[north widget]

true no where near nuclear power

i mean waste

[maiden notch]

depending on what you're going for it's not really worth it

[wicked nacelle]

also you can sinnk plutonium fuel rods if you don't actually need that power right now... then start burning them later when you do

[north widget]

ngl

[wicked nacelle]

I agree, it's just for funsies... or maybe just do a bit to get rid of your plutonium waste and then stop burning plutonium

[north widget]

saw one rod was 25kand knew i was gonna turn that all into power

[maiden notch]

If you're not prepared for the nuclear waste. don't do nuclear stuff

[fresh copper]

How many hours/what phases/tiers is considered early/mid/late game?

[wicked nacelle]

pre-jet pack, pre-hover-pack, post-hover-pack

is the simplest way for me to think about it

[north widget]

uranium waste shouldnt catch up to me

[lime ermine]

Tier 0-4 early, 5-6 mid, 7-9 late

To me

[north widget]

mk1 just starting
mk2 coal
mk3 Steel and mid game
mk4 Upper mid game like very early aluminum
mk5 basically end game
mk6 you basically beat the game just make space elevator parts

[fresh copper]

I'm tier 5 complete and working on train stuff

[wicked nacelle]

but really there's just tutorial and game - game starts when you get hoverpack

[fresh copper]

i have jetpack

[wicked nacelle]

cuz I'm not building anything big without hoverpack

[fresh copper]

so like, early game ends after phase 3 basically?

[north widget]

i am making 66k MW rn thats the most power ive ever made

[fresh copper]

early game 0-2
late early game 3
mid game 4
late game 5?

[wicked nacelle]

once you have nuclear online, building the alien power thingy REALLY feels good

[north widget]

oh yeah

i got an extra 5k

[fathom shuttle]

Late game is 4

Phase 3 is mid game because you unlock oil

[hard ivy]

"k MW" my brother in Christ that is a GW

[fathom shuttle]

I guess people really didn’t pay attention in school

[north widget]

yeahhhhh

forgot anyways check screenshots to see my epic nuclear plant

[fresh copper]

How much of your phase 3 stuff did you keep into phase 4 and 5

[north widget]

im telling you know before you work on steel

get the solid steel ingot alt recipe it makes steel so much better and not stressful

or you will end up getting the alt recipe and tearing down all the steel

[fresh copper]

too late lmao

i do need to go hard drive hunting tho

i have like 2 alts

[abstract hedge]

Quick question, as im still in early game, when do i unlock coal?

I currently have a factory for all things iron (minus rotors), concerete and copper wires/cables

and im in tier 3 on the HUB

i cant quite remember when the unlock for coal power is and i dont want to waste time/resources adding more biomass burners to build a rotor factory if i dont need to, since i have farms for everything to craft them currently

[broken thorn]

Amateur /j

[lime ermine]

It's in tier 3

[hard ivy]

Tier 3, after phase 1

[abstract hedge]

oh i meant tier 2 that im in 😭

would it be worth it to build more biomass burners for an automatic rotor farm?

[finite latch]

is it a bad idea to plan to use a sushi belt? they are so little used. is it just the overhead in the setup or?

[abstract hedge]

or just wait till coal, i managed to get it to where i am now without building any factories and just manually crafting things, only just finished the other facs

[broken thorn]

sushi belt is the most avoidable thing in the entire game

[finite latch]

that doesn't answer my question

building nuclear power is avoidable too.. it doesn't mean you should avoid it

[broken thorn]

I did

rocking 300GW in rocket fuel 🔥

[dense violet]

you can just not burn the rods? use them in drones

[broken thorn]

If I can avoid it I will

[dense violet]

sink for lots of points

[dense violet]

sushi belts are great. can really minimise logistics

[finite latch]

my plan is an electronics city.. produces 10 products all at 60/m.. so end result should be a sushi belt of finished products going into a central storage and dds. it should be 600/m on the belt so it shouldn't have throughput issues

[wicked nacelle]

you'll have to have a sink and as soon as you put a sink on a system you lose the gauranteed equilibrium

It's a bad idea unless you have everything planned out to perfection which is always wrong in the future

[dense violet]

oh that's kinda a half used sushi belt if youre not feeding machines with it

it's great feeding tings like manufacturers with 1 belt

[wicked nacelle]

if you're sharing raw materials and you put a sink on an output, you lose the system automatically making the right amounts of everything for you without having to think about it

and sushi belts like what you're talkinga bout requires a sink or they will back up and log jam all your production types

[dense violet]

you just set the smart splitters to over flow

[broken thorn]

I stole them

[sage geyser]

I'm a solo player on an always on dedicated server, so I shut off most of my basic machines that feed a massive storage unit until I'mabout to head to bed or work. I turn everything on and have SINKs to my 3 main clog areas with overflow splitters. When I wake up or get home, all my storage is full to start my next project

[spiral dew]

any recommendations for using drones?

[wicked nacelle]

yes, they have to eventaully end up in a sink

[broken thorn]

meow meow

[dense violet]

only at the start until teh sushi belt stabalises. then you can disconnect

[dense violet]

if you have a bunch of drones share at least 1 location it's easier to refuel them.

[wicked nacelle]

not with what dude is talking about with storage. what you're talking about obviously works but just takes LOTS of attention to build and even more to expand

[dense violet]

avoid more than 2 drones using the same port

[lucid pagoda]

so should i just ignore valves? if i have a valve to a set of machines, even if its set properly it doesnt work, then i remove the valve and it does

[dense violet]

yes and I was telling him about feeding manufcaturers

[dense violet]

yes, avoid them

[broken thorn]

I use valves a lot but sometimes they bug and make the pipe have no flow, but it's up to you. Overall I like them

[wicked nacelle]

I wasn't and you ?'d me so I was explaining

It's a fun recipe

[broken thorn]

dang I'd way rather do rocket fuel but it's up to you

[finite latch]

I don't see how sinks will destabilize and log jam it

[dense violet]

they don't effectively stop back flow and have other mechanics with them. Effectively useless or a detriment for everything

[fathom shuttle]

How do you balance 900/items into 2 splitters one with 720 and one with 180

[lucid pagoda]

good to know, i spent forever troubleshooting and the fix was to just remove the valve

[dense violet]

1 splitter, let it overflow

[finite latch]

values do one thing.. allow you to set their throughput.. other than that.. useless

[dense violet]

if used right, they'll have no impact. if it's a bit wonky they can wreck things.

[dense violet]

and you know what else sets throughput? the machines consuming the fluid

[dense violet]

if you're having general pipe issues feel free to post overhead images in #math-and-meta or make a #1038092680493801533 , they're pretty simple once you get the hang of them

[finite latch]

only if its balanced.. they are nice for skimming water out of a loop.. but are a very niche thing

[fathom shuttle]

I have mk5 belts, I have 3 mk2 miners making 300 limestone/min, I can merge 2, then connect the other one to a splitter, and connect a mk2 belt into the merger I used earlier. This should all work right

[lucid pagoda]

yea, ill keep it in mind, my pipework tends to rely on prayer

[finite latch]

easily trick to dealing with pipes.. don't.. package everything 😆

if the packager is 2m lower than the refinery.. the pipe inputs line up prefectly

[dense violet]

no? if a set of machines only use 124 fluid pm, it doesn't matter what you're sending down the pipe, it'll only have 124 throughput

[lucid pagoda]

i did a packaged diluted fuel plant recently, it went well

[wicked nacelle]

those are fun but ... then you get regular diluted fuel

[dense violet]

why not just clock your machines so 1 group makes 720 and one group makes the rest? you keep forgetting you can clock things

[lucid pagoda]

im ignoring fuel until i have nuclear, lol, i despise oil shenanigans

[fathom shuttle]

One group makes 720 already, I clock them this way lol

[wicked nacelle]

recycled plastic/rubber is the only way to go. even if you have nuclear, it's still super good to have lots of fuel 🙂

[dense violet]

then how was it even a question?

[finite latch]

if I have a Y.. one set of machines making HOR.. and 2 sets of refineries.. plastic and fabric.. you only want to send 15% or so to fabric.. you get weir sloshing between the Y

[dense violet]

??

clock your gd refinery to use what you want

[finite latch]

if you do plastic and rubber.. where you are more 50/50.. it stays stable..

[dense violet]

please don't be another person whose argument for valves is

'if I actively clock my machines wrong then valves can be useful!'

[lucid pagoda]

im doin a rubber and plastic plant rn still deciding what to do, part of me wants to just go with a couple basic alts, that'd get me 1200 of both, if i go for all alts, id have 2800 of both but it'll eat my entire grid, so that might be a future thing

[finite latch]

even with clocked.. the plastic doesn't stay 100% active.. one or 2 machines still fall off.. value saved it

was one of the ony places a value actually helped.. every other time.. useless

[dense violet]

you're probably doing pretty poorly laid out systems if that's the case and I'm extremely dubious it's stable

[mellow pewter]

I have a lizard doggo that just keeps giving me creature remains. A good boy that's keeping me safe.
And then my Little Borker gave me a nuke...

[wicked nacelle]

You don't have to sink what you don't use. Build it to make 2800 and then fall idle. You'll use it eventually 🙂. When it's idle it doesn't take power

[finite latch]

fair.. I am still on the fence with packaging my HOR too

[lucid pagoda]

possibly

[rotund sentinel]

so I REALLY hate how hypertube junctions are based on a toggle instead of the key being held down, any way to change this?

[wicked nacelle]

@rotund sentinel I don't use them for anything except cannons, sorry

[rotund sentinel]

see thats the problem, I wanna make a cannon where you can just hold some key to leave, but the junctions keep their "direction" after you pass through em

[wicked nacelle]

I hear ya.. but game lets you change direction so fast without losing momentum that it essentially odesn't matter which way you cannon you can go anywhere you want

[rotund sentinel]

its just annoying cuz half the time I get shot out of the cannon with literally no velocity

[wicked nacelle]

that's weird.

I just have one as a hotkey'd blueprint and throw it down whenever I want to go somewhere

[rotund sentinel]

this is what I have, #screenshots

[fathom shuttle]

My original question was how do I split 900 into 720 and 180 for my refineries, if I used a mk5 belt then I won’t be able to feed my machines fully so I need to split it to 2 belts that feed my refineries

[finite latch]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=jj139xAYPOPc60v4R15IZ
this is my current math.. the packed fuel was because there are a couple drone ports and I wanted to see what my max fuel would be for them.

[wicked nacelle]

why can't you use two equal belts? Splitting 50/50 is easy 🙂

[rotund sentinel]

yeah, I've gotten surprisingly good at it

[fathom shuttle]

Doesn’t split evenly, plus already had the blueprint ready so it was just a drop it and you’re ready

It’s 5 refineries using 180/min limestone

[wicked nacelle]

I believe there are load balancer tools out there that tell you how to do whatever you want, but it gets ugly.

[finite latch]

you could belt throttle to split them

[fathom shuttle]

Yea that’s my original idea

[finite latch]

mk1 is 60/m.. splitting 3 mk1 out and combine them back..

[wicked nacelle]

I mean... 3x60 is 180, so you can just combine 3 tier 1 belts, right?

[hard ivy]

Or just belt a balancer and manifolds?
Works with any i/o rates

[finite latch]

or an mk2 and an mk1.. if you want less belts

[wicked nacelle]

oh haha yeah

[fathom shuttle]

I have a mk2 belt that feeds back to 2 miners that do 600, so it’s 600 + 120 which balances my feeds

[finite latch]

because they are doing math

[dense violet]

... so clocking.

[wicked nacelle]

This is SO true

why?

[dense violet]

clock a group to need 720 and 180?? I'm now confused as to actually what you need

[finite latch]

the very mild ew on mk3 is coal.. depending where you are and what you have unlocked so far.. you face choosing power or steel..

[fathom shuttle]

My genius is limited by the technology of my time

.. or something like that

[untold ember]

are rollup doors bugged? it doesnt do it anything. i just phase right thru it

[fathom shuttle]

Mk2 belts look so slow

[fossil zinc]

since when is amsterdam a preset train station? i remember it being dordrecht before

[fathom shuttle]

600/min water pipe doing better than I expected

[wicked nacelle]

if you consider it a bug, just save before rerolling it and you can reroll until you get what you want -- or SCIM it

[fathom shuttle]

Tbh I didn’t have a lot of problems with mk2 belts

I once I get production going I forgot about them, but I learned my lesson to never use screws

[wicked nacelle]

screws are fine, you just make them where you need them. -- when I hear people making screw factories it hurts

[finite latch]

I really think mk2 is rips to trick new players into building a big rip factory to find out you used poor recipes.. and you really don't need them depending on the recipes..

[finite latch]

depends.. you can build a screw factory next door to the destination factory

[honest void]

At what tier is the hoverpack unlocked? And does it run on fuel like the jetpack?

[wicked nacelle]

no, too many weird belt interactions. much better to just make the screws for every machine or every few machines

[fossil zinc]

tier 7 & 8 and no its runs off power via remote connection

[honest void]

Thank you!

[fossil zinc]

<3

[wicked nacelle]

is stitched plates less iron than regular ones per plate? assuming one has iron wire and cast screws?

[hard ivy]

Screws themselves are fine. It's the recipes that use them that are shit

[fathom shuttle]

The only problem with screws is that the default recipes sucks, and most of the times the alternate recipes that don’t use them are way better

[finite latch]

why stitched plates? copper isn't scarce but not exactly abundant either

[fossil zinc]

it was standard to have 2 locomotives infront right? or am i going crazy

[hard ivy]

Iron wire

[wicked nacelle]

I think of the production line as a bunch of modules and each module has its own screw production built in. Fewer inputs/outputs to manage. just stamp down as many modules as I need from there

[hard ivy]

Depends on the number of wagons

[fossil zinc]

whats the ideal ratio?

[hard ivy]

Depends on the incline. I add a locomotive for every 4th wagon I add

[fossil zinc]

i should prooobably be fine then

[fathom shuttle]

They follow the same route and timetable automatically right?

[hard ivy]

1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-5, 2-6, etc

[hard ivy]

Only the front locomotive is the main one. The others just add power

[fathom shuttle]

Encased industrial pipes are better right?

[wicked nacelle]

but remember full cars weigh more than empty ones. I have some trains that are 6 long but only fill the last two cars -- those run great with one engine

[hard ivy]

But I think you can set the timetable from any one of them

[fossil zinc]

the first one goes wherever it wants, the second whines and screams the entire way there

source: i made it up

[finite latch]

I am guessing a concrete factory would have the same logistics issues as a screw factory

[hard ivy]

Plus there's iron pipe but not iron beam

[fossil zinc]

iron pipe 😻

[fathom shuttle]

Alr nice, I wanted to avoid beams because they’re slower lol

[wicked nacelle]

not really -- and it can be nice to have. I have one in along the northwest coast attached to train lines. I just had a spot that needed 1000 concrete/m and just told a train to go get it (2 cars)

[fathom shuttle]

I got stitched iron plates finally

[hard ivy]

Yeah I pretty much stopped making steel. I only made it for the first pipes/beams factory because I had plenty of coal nearby and will only make it again because I made a mod to make ficsite from steel lol

[wicked nacelle]

lots of spots that would be nice to do other things in don't have enough limestone available - and especially not if you want to stretch it with additives in alt recipes

[fathom shuttle]

Never mind I reloaded the save accidentally

[hard ivy]

Lmao rip

[wicked nacelle]

iron pipe takes SHITTONS of iron though. I stay away from it because I always want my iron for the stuff I have to use the steel with

[hard ivy]

Nearly 100k ore.

Nearly 200k ingots with pure (170k actually)

[wicked nacelle]

I commonly use 3-4 pure nodes (or equivalent) refined with pure iron in a single factory. -- it's not infinite in a location

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll be doing the same, I’m getting a lot of coke from oil production anyway

[finite latch]

I don't think iron pipe scales.. if you need small or moderate quantities it makes sense.. but when you aim for mega factory, iron pipe starts needing thousands of iron.. kibitz did this

[fathom shuttle]

Caterium wire looks kind of crazy lol

[fossil zinc]

caterium wire is so insanely easy

[wicked nacelle]

It's handy but then you realize you need that for other stuff way more.

[fathom shuttle]

15 Caterium into 120 wire

[fossil zinc]

one of the first things i rush because i hate mk1 poles

[wicked nacelle]

but that's quickwire you can't have

or ficsit trigun or wahtever

[hard ivy]

Just today I built 90 pure iron refineries to make 5.5k ingots, 4.5k of which go to iron pipe lol

[wicked nacelle]

makes screws look like childs play 🙂

[fossil zinc]

tbh i havent needed that much quickwire

[hard ivy]

Yeah, unlike with screws, QW recipes are actually good

[wicked nacelle]

I also will send in cat ingot into the bowels of my factories and make the quickwire as each machine or cluster needs it

[fossil zinc]

still in phase 3 tho

[wicked nacelle]

you will. and casings. holy cow casings

[fossil zinc]

aluminum casings? i know, those are coming

[wicked nacelle]

and plastic and then you're like "oh, doesn't sem like rubber is all that important" hahahaahahahahahah JUST KIDDING

[fossil zinc]

i played until aluminium in 0.8

havent gotten further than that

[hard ivy]

Nah, I built a 20:20 balancer for quickwire and it's all made in one block. 15k/min

[fossil zinc]

im playing with a friend now so we keep peer pressuring each other to continue and take each others projects we arent making progress on

[hard ivy]

Will be doing 40k/min soon (TM) lol

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll finish this playthrough then wait for the space age update or something

[fossil zinc]

eated it

[fossil zinc]

start a new save each update imo, theres often a lot of changes

[fathom shuttle]

Too quick couldn’t catch it

[fossil zinc]

i do want to automate cluster nobelisks eventually

makes clearing areas a lot easier im hoping

and also i can blow up my friend, win WIN

[fathom shuttle]

LETS GOO STITCHED IRON PLATES (for the second time)

[fathom shuttle]

If I’m doing a second playthrough I’ll probably do it with friend.. but I have none

[honest void]

Is it max 3 or 4 cars per train?

[fathom shuttle]

4 before the trains becomes overstressed

[hard ivy]

Several thousand if the rails are flat. 3 if they're as steep as they can be

[honest void]

I see thanks

[dense violet]

depends on hte hill

[fathom shuttle]

Classic battery: W recipe or nah?

[fossil zinc]

Also I hate the damn rocks in the dune desert that just don't get blown up

[dense violet]

if you're going up 2m ramps you'll want less than 4 cars that are full of inventory

[fossil zinc]

they look so explodable but they didn't

[fathom shuttle]

It looks pretty bad.. why does bro need 60/min and 50/min aluminum sheets

[hard ivy]

Default battery needs alumina solution

[fathom shuttle]

Aw hell nah

[hard ivy]

That's so insane I'd never consider using it

[broken thorn]

This the tools I used #screenshots message

Sf modeler is hard to use

Like I know the basics but tools is just way faster

I just select input, select all alternate recipes and click on maximize

Boom, it's done

[fathom shuttle]

Modeler looks way cleaner

[broken thorn]

@elder apex #screenshots message did you use the noclip mod?

[west jackal]

without min/maxing the world is it even worth turning resin into rubber/plastic? I normally would just sink it

it seems like it would take a lot of power to handle all the resin

(substanial ammounts of resin)

something like 1200

a minute

[broken thorn]

I'm starting to contemplate that question now that I have 1200 resin p/m and will soon have over 2k

I'll probably just ship it all using trains to a factory and make smth like fabric or sum

[west jackal]

what do you need fabric for though? it seems like you need very limited quantities of fabric

[fathom shuttle]

I’m turning all of mine into plastic

[broken thorn]

Filters

[fathom shuttle]

And sink them?

[west jackal]

let me guess, 1800 crude going into HOR

[broken thorn]

Yeah, which turns into 4k rocket fuel

[west jackal]

but regardless, what do you need that many filters for

[finite latch]

why not make the resin into plastic or rubber?

[west jackal]

oh.. im doing it for DPF for a fuel generator

[fathom shuttle]

I have 800 resin too

[broken thorn]

I will too, but when I already have a factory making 2700 of each I don't need it

But I'll use around 1800 rubber /min to make smth I forgot now

[fathom shuttle]

I watched a kibtiz video that turned 1200 crude into like 4500/min plastic

[broken thorn]

So I might need more in the future

[broken thorn]

Yeah it's possible

[west jackal]

according to greenies tool the max is 3600 from 1200 crude

lol 900 empty casings p/min with 3 constructors is absurd to me

[fathom shuttle]

I’m planning to do 600 crude, will be my first time using blenders btw

[west jackal]

nice! im phase 2 so i cant do blenders yet

but i figure 4800 fuel p/min is enough for now

[civic oar]

are there enough hard drives in each world to unlock every alternate crafting recipe?

[elder apex]

i do use the no hard clearance mod, but the 24 power storage on a single foundation was a blueprint from SCIM. https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/7920/name/Power+storage+x24

[stark solar]

more than enough

[fresh venture]

HEY ALL. i have a question about extracting nitrogen gas. this well has like 10 extractors on it which is like over 1000 m per minute but my pipes can only handle 600. do i just need to run two pipes to two factories?

[stark solar]

Yes.

If you want to carry more than pipes can carry, run two pipes

Same deal with conveyors

[fresh venture]

seems like i already knew but i needed someone to say it haha. thanks.

[leaden ether]

My electronics factory uses 9 Mk2 pipes of water. But that's nothing compared to Tinker's er.. 100 or so pipes for whatever the heck he's doing 😄

[fresh venture]

i see some of your factories and then i look at mine......just a mess all over the place lol.

[elder apex]

another option is to package it, nitrogen gas compresses 4:1 so your 1000 would compress down to 250 canisters

[woeful elbow]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Miner#Mk.2
i don't know if this is the right place to put this but this page is inconsistent, in Overclocking it states

When aiming for a higher mining rate, using a higher mark miner is preferred over overclocking, as per the example below:
and furthermore gives the examples
Running a Miner Mk.2 at 100% has the same mining rate as a Miner Mk.1 at 200% with reduced energy consumption (12 MW instead of 12.5 MW).
however the table shown just above reflects different rates (15 and 12.5 MW) completely changing the message of the section

[steady glade]

i've just realised that wall outlets are 1m long

[void delta]

Any tips for someone who's never made it to phase 2?

[steady glade]

wing it, you'll need to build a lot more later, you'll likely remake it elsewhere too

[west jackal]

unlock phase 2 🙂

[elder apex]

try the more update to date wiki -> https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Miner

[steady glade]

official wiki

[woeful elbow]

thank you, i wasn't sure which one was official

[fathom shuttle]

I’m doing 3200 and it’s 40GW, it’s plenty enough

[west jackal]

wait 4800 is 60 GW? minus the like 7 GW to run the plant

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

If it’s regular fuel

[west jackal]

for some reason i thought it was lower. I guess once you get a Terrawatt of tfuel a couple dozen GW is nothing

[fathom shuttle]

How does that math even work? Do you use all the oil in the world for turbo fuel?

[stark solar]

Rocket fuel is where it's at!

[west jackal]

with blend it doesnt take that much

[west jackal]

this is from before rocket fuel was a thing.

[heavy mist]

finally done with turbo motor automation

[minor vale]

I Just created a buggy train intersection.

my train is now capable of doing a 180 in on itself

[sharp sentinel]

Huh. I didn't even know turbo fuel could make your fuel generators stronger. This will be useful, because I actually think I have sulfur and coal nodes close to Blue Crater, and can make compacted coal out the wazoo...

[minor vale]

yea, it's kind of the whole point of it.
More powerful. Can feed more generators per fuel.

[heavy mist]

just wait till nitro rocket fuel

[minor vale]

it also makes good jetpack fuel

[stark solar]

It's not exactly stronger, it's that you need more fuel generators to burn all of it, meaning more total power

[minor vale]

which means it's a more potent fuel
it takes longer to burn

[stark solar]

Oh, I agree, I just mean don't expect more power from a single fuel plant consuming regular fuel vs a nice fuel

[minor vale]

anyhow

my trains aren't training right
#streams-and-videos message

[fathom shuttle]

Just press ctrl w to reset the train’s pathing logic

Should fix it permanently

[minor vale]

that has nothing to do with the pathing logic.

[stark solar]

Press alt-F4 to correct a lot of application problems ^_^

[fathom shuttle]

Trust me bro it works

[minor vale]

well, no I guess it technically does but what I mean is that htis is manually controlled.

for some reason, i'm able to choose 3 paths here.
The actual right turn. Going straight

And doing a full 180

[fathom shuttle]

Ctrl w solves it

[minor vale]

control W has done nothing.

[fathom shuttle]

Try alt f4 I think they changed the shortcut in 1.0

[stark solar]

bookie: Stop trying to prank him

[minor vale]

added a train car to it.
the car follows the 180 without issue.

it's kinda funny even if this is not at all what i wanted.

[fathom shuttle]

Bros narrating the story

[stark solar]

Reminds me of the old days on IRC when people asked for people to "type /sign to sign my petition" and newbies would do so not knowing that /sign did a signoff from IRC

[west jackal]

my death crate is invisible and seemingly not where i actually died, how do i get it

[stark solar]

Dylan: It may be above or below where you think it might be?

[minor vale]

did you die in a cave?

[west jackal]

it was above.. i died in water below some mushrooms

it spawned on the mushroom for some reason

thank you

[minor vale]

yea iirc to prevent dethcates from spawning in like, the void or unreachable places, they spawn them at the highest point where you last touched ground and died.
...or just where you died one or the other.

[west jackal]

also, is crystal computer alt any good?

[atomic notch]

depends

[minor vale]

I mean it can be
you can use it in combination with some other alts to make computers without any oil

that's about the b est use case I'd say it has.

[atomic notch]

i wish u could make computer only using oil but u still need wire

no oil wire?

[minor vale]

there's kinda oil wire.
3 differen't alts to make cables by combining oil and wire.

[fathom shuttle]

What’s the best computer recipe btw

[hard ivy]

Caterium or crystal imo

Depending which resource you want to use

[minor vale]

If you want to use more caterium
use caterium computer, alongside caterium circuit board

if you want to use quartz
use silicon circuit board alongside crystal computer. (and regular crystal oscliator recipe)

Crystal computer route also eliminates the need for any oil products if you use default crystal oscillator recipie

[fathom shuttle]

Caterium used just Caterium wire right?

[minor vale]

quickwire yes.

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll go with that I guess

Will probably set up a train for it, since the only thing I’ll need is quickwire

[jaunty kayak]

does anyone know why i might not be able to cycle the hypertube direction with branches? Im pressing e

[minor vale]

I haven't used hypertube branches yet but based on what other people are saying.... aren't you supposed to hold like A or D?

[fathom shuttle]

I really love alternate recipes in this game, makes it more interesting and fun

[stark solar]

It is a very cool part of the design.

But I generally think Coffee Stain has done a great job with it

[fast tendon]

The best part is when you can avoid using screws

[minor vale]

screws aren't that bad if you got cast screws.

[fathom shuttle]

Or embrace them as some people do

[stark solar]

I prefer avoiding screws, but some people are fine with them

I'm glad that the alternate rocket fuel recipe exists

[fast tendon]

Screws aren't as manageable until you have mk6 belts but before then ehh I'd prefer not to

[minor vale]

remember when computers needed screws?

[fast tendon]

nah, just use glue

[neon hollow]

Finally load balanced all my coal generators and I’m almost at 1k MW

[minor vale]

I have not load balanced anything in over a year.

[fast tendon]

I just use splitters and let 'em balance naturally

[minor vale]

manifolds for life

[fathom shuttle]

I never done it once in my playthrough aside from using belts to throttle inputs. Manifolds are so much faster to set up and easier to work with

[atomic notch]

a manifold is a balancer

[fathom shuttle]

Perhaps

[minor vale]

it's a balancer in a sense.
The sense that if you did the numbesr right it'll balance juuust fine.

[fathom shuttle]

Erm what the sigma

The steeled frame recipe looks amazing

I’ll start using that from now on

I’m probably the only one in the world who hates iron rods as much as screws lol

[fast tendon]

Manifolds are very simple balancers

Honestly I'm not sure it's right to call them a balancer? It happens naturally from the machines filling up

[atomic notch]

yeah but it still balances

who cares where you put ur splitters tho as long as it works

[spiral dew]

anyone use the leached ingot recipes?

[fast tendon]

If you have sulfur to spare its nice

[atomic notch]

yeah dude theyre fire

[spiral dew]

im a big fan of any "ore washing" mechanics in factorio so i was interested

[stark solar]

Sulphur is fairly rare though; hard to justify using it lightly on other things.

[atomic notch]

not for like all the ingots but u def have enough for copper or caterium

[west jackal]

cant find stupid dpf alt 😠

[stark solar]

Sulphur is the helper ore for making power of various kinds

[west jackal]

ive gotten like 20 HD looking for it

[spiral dew]

i started buidling a plastic factory then realized i don't have diluted fuel recipe D:

[fast tendon]

I'm so lazy I don't like to automate HMFs until I have the encased recipe

[atomic notch]

im so lazy i automate stuff so i dont have to handcraft it

[spiral dew]

time to test out the new turbo rifle ammo

[west jackal]

well i need dpf for the fuel factory im building

tbf i only have it setup for 600 crude right now, but i dont have the recipe I need

[atomic notch]

i get it man

[west jackal]

SPEAK OF THE DEVIL, HALLELEJUAH

[atomic notch]

20 rescans still nothin tho?

crazy

[minor vale]

I'll use the pure ingot recipies if i'm in need for more ingots..

or it's caterium. I always pure my caterium

but otherwise no.
...I guess I also use solid steel ingot too.

[atomic notch]

basic iron is good imo since limestone is everywhere its basically free

[dense violet]

the generators produce the same amount of power

each step of processing fuel to another stage effectively just turns other resources into oil
which is fine? often just easier making more diluted fuel though

or going nuclear

[west jackal]

yes ig it waws very unlucky, i waited untill after i unlocked packager and oil

[stark solar]

Nuclear gives you waste that's annoying to handle

Rocket fuel can carry you until end-game

[dense violet]

the waste can be made into p rods which can fuel vehicles

[dense violet]

if yo uwant to be boring and spam a million fuel gens

[stark solar]

A huge grid of rocket fuel producers/consumers is pretty easy.

[atomic notch]

yeah but its prolly just a skill issue

[dense violet]

or you can have literally 1/10th the number of gens for nuclear.

[stark solar]

And then nuclear waste to think about. No thank you.

[atomic notch]

fuel is easy its just copy paste from p3

plus a few blenders

i can see the appeal

[stark solar]

Uranium isn't exactly easy to work with anyhow.

[atomic notch]

but yeah very boring

[sharp sentinel]

Hm. Sounds like one of those good till you have to spend four hours doing it things.

[stark solar]

Not a lot of sources of it, and it makes your plants unpleasant to be around

[atomic notch]

cope

[stark solar]

Use fuel plants with blueprints and it's easy.

[atomic notch]

i dont go for easy tho

[fathom shuttle]

What would the power gain from switching from 1200 crude for 40GW using diluted packaged fuel to Turbofuel?

[dense violet]

depends on your recipe chains. Check in tools

[stark solar]

Turbofuel and in turn rocket fuel really give you way way more power.

Regular fuel to get to endgame would be cumbersome (doable though). Rocket fuel? Totally capable, no big deal

[dense violet]

but with TF you're essentially trading Sulfur + maybe coal for more oil. Which is fine? but you're unlikely to run out of oil

[minor vale]

Nuclear has a lot of bi-products to deal with if you get into it.

Nuclear waste aside, you're irradiating a lot of your world when using it.
So gotta automate those filters and radiation protection.
after you do that then you can start mining uranium.
Go through all the steps to make fuel rods.
and then go through all the extra steps to recycle your waste.
to sink it or put it into vehicles to use up completely.

it's a lot of factors you need to worry about. all the while if you fail at any point you tart backing up radiation creating products.

[fathom shuttle]

How do I quickly check? I’ll need to build the entire chain in tools like

[dense violet]

yup. Then probably clone the tab and change your choices

[dense violet]

or just store it. Very quick to make a BPed storage site

even though its not a ton of work to process it

[fathom shuttle]

Yea you can probably make a 10k stack storage system in a couple of hours

[atomic notch]

just make a 10,000 hour waste storage under the map for emergencies

[dense violet]

try 10minutes

[minor vale]

in a generator, normal fuel burns at 20 per minute.
Turbofuel burns at 7.5 per minute.
using the default turbofuel recipie (which is usually the overall best choice since you go diluted fuel into it)

you're converting fuel to turbo fuel at a rate o 6 to 5

so you're gaining quite a lot of power using turbo.

[atomic notch]

if its that much of a skill issue

[fathom shuttle]

If i can do it as a drop in replacement in my diluted packaged fuel set up I’ll do it

If it’s not… then I’ll probably build a nuclear power plant

[minor vale]

you don't have to replace anything if you alraedy have a diluted fuel plant up and running
just adding an extra step of turning fuel to turbo fuel.
you'll need to transport a lot of compact coal for iit but otherwise it's just 1 more step of production on what you already got

[dense violet]

drop in replacement? as in just swap out? it'd probably take significan't repiping

building a second flow above maybe to fit in the extra processes

[fathom shuttle]

Hmm compacted coal uses sulfur right?

[minor vale]

yes, it's a combination of sulphur and coal.

You take fuel, pipe it into a refinery. add compact coal, out pops turbofuel.

[fathom shuttle]

I mean the power gains are going to be 40GW->70-80GW, not really worth it for me

[minor vale]

how much fuel are you making right now?

[fathom shuttle]

3200

[minor vale]

ok little warning first.

if you want to convert all of that into turbofuel

That's a hefty sulphur and coal cost.

but

[dense violet]

there's also the blended Turbo recipe with blenders

[minor vale]

your 3200 should be able to feed 160 fuel gens.

Turn that all into turbo fuel, you'd have 2.666.66 turbo fuel

letting you power 355.5 fuel generators.

[west jackal]

does length of pipe matter?

[dense violet]

you're making that much? that will easily carry you to nuclear

[dense violet]

generally, no

[fathom shuttle]

Yea idk why I went that big tbh

[stark solar]

There's no need or point to ever do nuclear.

[west jackal]

im doing 4800 with dpf

[minor vale]

because there's no such thing as too big with power setups.

the lights
Must not
go out

[dense violet]

not a terrible thing. Keeps you going for a long while

helll that could keep you through phase 5 if you don't go nuts

[west jackal]

but im going to do a huge nuclear

[dense violet]

also a lot 😛

[west jackal]

well im working on the factory

[fathom shuttle]

I’m also missing out on like 160 heavy oil btw I’ll just ignore that issue since I’m only getting 1-2GW fluctuations and that’s from water

[stark solar]

Well, I mean nuclear is fun if you want to do it for theme. Play the game the way you want.

But i've beaten the game several times and only did nuclear once. Really no need.

[west jackal]

theme? nah. nucleaer just soo cool

[stark solar]

That's what I mean by theme.

[minor vale]

in times past i've avoided nuclear but this time around I think I will actually do it.

[stark solar]

All the other times I've beaten it I just stopped with rocket fuel and made a LOT of rocket fuel.

[frail sleet]

Nuclear waste aside, you're irradiating a lot of your world when using it.

If you build nuclear properly there's not a lot of radiation. The biggest cause is having buffers full of radioactive materials but that's not neccesary

[fathom shuttle]

I always see these builds with like 600GW and they’re only using 200GW after paving over the entire planet so that’s why I’m reluctant lol

[minor vale]

true but using that little of a huge grid is always better htan pushing the limits.

[frail sleet]

my full build will consume around 700 GW. A world full of overclocked mk3 miners actually pulls nearly 100 by itself

[west jackal]

rocket fuel is new, my nuclear factories were before that existed

[frail sleet]

to just finish the game though, 200gw is plenty comfortable

[fathom shuttle]

Are you like half way done btw?

[frail sleet]

more than halfway on the power but most of the stuff is elsewhere

[fathom shuttle]

Yea true, but you can solve that somewhat with a large storage system

[cyan belfry]

Does it ever rain?

[west jackal]

no this planet doesnt get rain

[atomic notch]

i thought it did at one point

bc i remember seein rain

[west jackal]

i do too, but dont remember in a long time

[fathom shuttle]

What are you using for power

[frail sleet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Qtf5HjWjj6rzrByByDa3

[stark solar]

no rain is a game engine limitation, although they've talked about trying to make it work

[atomic notch]

awesome

love the ficsonium

[frail sleet]

On UE5? That's funny, like the watch from spykids that can do everything except tell the time

[stark solar]

I think the problem is how much weather can hurt performance

[atomic notch]

yeah the reflections would make my pc explode prolly

everything gets wet

[honest void]

How did you guys set up your heavy modular frames automation?

[fathom shuttle]

Damn bro

[frail sleet]

encased heavy frame alternate

[fathom shuttle]

How many hours do you have on that save?

[frail sleet]

it's about 210 man hours

[fathom shuttle]

Sheesh that’s crazy man

[atomic notch]

nothin too crazy on my world but im trying to do stuff ive never done before so its been fun

[frail sleet]

that's how you get to crazy stuff 😄

[fathom shuttle]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

my puny battle plan rn lol

[frail sleet]

you need to click the share link

[atomic notch]

its definitely crazy but i just dont have to time to invest in a mega build like that

[fathom shuttle]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5T989DFdYu7bvY2RW1uv

pretend that didnt happen

[hollow vector]

very useful watch clearly

[fathom shuttle]

although im pretty sure after i finish this im like 65%-75% done with the game

[frail sleet]

I spent around 2/3 of my total hours in p4 automating shit too big 😄

[stark solar]

The thing is, after you beat the game you'll find within a week or so the game calling out to you and pulling you back in

[fathom shuttle]

because all i have left is to set up a proper aluminum production line, then start combining items together>

[west jackal]

man i thought 960/min would be faster

[atomic notch]

nah dude im goin straight into foundry

[stark solar]

There is no escape from a Satisfactory addiction

[fathom shuttle]

although nuclear pasta and the copper ill need looms over me….

[west jackal]

lmao so fr

and i thought PCU was bad

theyve added some narly new recipes

[fathom shuttle]

4300 copper ingot for 8/min nuclear pasta (slooped too)

[atomic notch]

oh yeah dude im leaching copper

[fathom shuttle]

im sure the power consumption will be crazy

[west jackal]

16/sec is slow, but its the max my belts can handle

[fathom shuttle]

Yea so I’ll need 20GW just for the particle accelerators if they’re slooped

But realistically I’ll probably end up doing 2/min instead of 4/min

[west jackal]

large scale dpf logistics are a headache

[fathom shuttle]

I love how iron wire magically solves all my copper problems, I only have one node nearby and I don’t wanna use it lol

[frail sleet]

iron wire, iron pipe and concrete solve all issues

[atomic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1386550101664727040/image.png?ex=685a1ce9&is=6858cb69&hm=4a278926f230b897eab49ec80e89533f6702316531fc55cbce79e8772bb41914&

[frail sleet]

(just ignore that it uses like 5000 iron)

[atomic notch]

this side of the base at least

havin a hard time getting it all in one pic

[fathom shuttle]

There is like 100k iron ore in the map, not really a problem

[frail sleet]

Ye, just locally

[fathom shuttle]

If you’re using Mk6 belts i guess it would be way easier

[primal haven]

sometimes, ill take copper and mix it with iron and then make iron wire anyways

cause im a savage like that

[atomic notch]

basic iron would still be better imo

[primal haven]

might be true, i like to try everything out at least once though. always chasing that new hot factory you know

[atomic notch]

yeah same

[primal haven]

lately thats been a big decider for me, whether ive done something before or not. good thing theres so many good screenshots for ideas on here

[west jackal]

when did they introduce mk6 belts??

what do they use for the material???

[primal haven]

i think 1.0

that whole last phase is extra from release