satisfactory

[minor vale]

Game's just 1 single map with 4 starting points.

[meager herald]

i thought every map was diff generated

[minor vale]

After you find your first somersloop you'll be able to scan for them.

if you're in the plains I know there's one in the south area, in the cliffs by the coal node there.

It's out in the open, just build some foundations for a bridge to it.

Though I will say there actually isn't a lot of them in the plains at all.
very poor spot for fancy collectables.

[gentle jacinth]

i think i just nuked a spot so hard an ore came out the ground, or im delusional and it was already there

[minor vale]

ore spots can be covered by large rocks that block you from putting miners on them till you blow them up

otherwise no the nodes are always there.

[reef basin]

no, it's a single map, and there's even not anything "generated" in it (apart from a few deposits which are random types)

[cursive crane]

Pretty much everything is the same. Ore nodes, collectibles, even creature spawns

Shout out that one spot near the arch where i get all my doggos

[boreal musk]

only ore deposits are randomized (except uranium deposits) but their location are fixed

[cursive crane]

Honestly i dont think ive ever used the ore collected from deposits. Usually end up sinking* it when I have to get rid of it to be able to build there Lol

[minor vale]

...since when are any ore nodes randomized???
I thought they were always the same?
which ones are random?

[cursive crane]

Not nodes, deposits

[dense violet]

the small outcrops

[cursive crane]

Little ones you find that you have to hand mine

[gentle jacinth]

ada hates it when you do anything for more factory space

[cursive crane]

Ada can suck a lemon you never have enough space Lol

[gentle jacinth]

so what if i kill everything, more space more factory easy win

[minor vale]

I wouldn't have to kill the weird long legged creature if it didn't walk ontop of my buildings.

[gentle jacinth]

they just scare me for some reason, long legs like that shouldnt be able to support such a large body

[cursive crane]

I swear theres something in its programming to find the tallest manmade point possible

Ive got one hanging out halfway up my space elevator rn

[gentle jacinth]

how was it even able to reach that part of your space elevator

[reef basin]

some ore deposits are randomised (some not - especially those on top of nodes are fixed, but those randomly found in the world are often random)

[cursive crane]

Ask the space giraffe tick thing

Bouncy boy bouncy balled his way up there

[gentle jacinth]

i despise those weird flower things

[cyan belfry]

I love using nobelisks to destroy any greenery I see

[faint epoch]

same

climite change is not a thing in satisfactory

[minor vale]

I hate radiation hogs

[spark sky]

On the main menu I see one of the birds walking around, are they now useful?

[gentle jacinth]

ada keeps asking me "why did you kill that friendly weird looking animal" how do i remove her from me

[median shell]

if you call getting rid of a few nobelisks a use

[twilit tinsel]

is there a way to flip around like blueprints?

[cursive crane]

If you mean mirror? No

[twilit tinsel]

aw man thanks

[spark sky]

Yeah, you have to make two blueprints.

[twilit tinsel]

i am just not doing allat 😭 ill just change it

[gentle jacinth]

hypothetically if i have cluster and nuke nobelisk, how do i swap

[spark sky]

I have a really nice personal storage blueprint. Is there somewhere that we can send blueprints, some sort of database?

[median shell]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints

[spark sky]

Thanks, I'll have to bookmark that.

[dense violet]

generally hold R while having the weapon at hand

[spark sky]

I need to make a blueprint of my doggo kennel. I think my design keeps them content so they don't try to escape, at least I haven't had any escape.

[dense violet]

do you need... more than one kennel?

[spark sky]

I have them each isolated, in their own little area, accessable through a conveyor hole.

[peak wasp]

I just played for 3 hours straight got up to coal power on 1.1

[spark sky]

Congratulations. I need to send some more stuff up the elevator to get there, but that's my next step.

[peak wasp]

I spawned in the red forest biome and it's so op. Great biofuel sources for early game

4 pure iron nodes next to spawn

[spark sky]

Oh, my. I'm building where I did last time, I know where I can get some coal, SAM, quartz and caterium fairly close. I don't recall the name of the biome, something like a meadow.

[hollow vector]

does anyone know the new brain tumor that is going with pioneers making them talk in offtopicgeneral rather than satisfactory?

ts pmo

[trim vine]

I could use some help

#screenshots message

[onyx fern]

Is it possible to have more than 1 custom paint swatch?

[trim vine]

Press X, edit the ones at the bottom

[onyx fern]

I didn't want to change those ones, since I like using some of them

[trim vine]

All 18 of them?

[onyx fern]

Is that really the only way to get more than one custom without overwriting the one that already exists

Not all 18, but at this point I'm not sure which ones I've used and which ones I haven't.

[dense violet]

rip

[gentle jacinth]

either i dont use the elevator, or just get better placement on it since i cant use pillars

[steady glade]

if you're fine with mods, there is a mod to get a bunch more swatches, its a bit of a setup but it does provide a bunch of ready made swatches and colors for all kinds of resources

[humble plank]

One thing I just noticed... When I use a blueprint from one of my prior saves with alt recipies on it, the machines spawn in with the alt recipies on them, even if I haven't unlocked the alt...

Has it always been that way? It seems like a cheat to me ...

[onyx fern]

Also, does anyone have any suggestions on good places to set up oil based power? I've started at the beaches on the West side of the map, but the nodes feel somewhat sparse. I'm wondering if there are better places.

[onyx fern]

Ah, interesting! I'm not really looking for mods since this is still my first playthough. But I'll definitely keep that in mind!

[steady glade]

kind of a cheat, but its been a thing for a long time, you can import blueprints to use recipes you havent unlocked, but at this point you might as well cheat them in

[dense violet]

basically anywhere you find a few oil nodes together.
get the heavy oil residue and diluted fuel alt and you get lots of power from 1 node

[trim vine]

Can anyone help with this?

Even when I set the tracks back to the original pattern, I'm now getting loop errors, even though this has been running fine, and just like every other junction I have made

[steady glade]

the west beaches are nice, not the most fuel but since its close to water you can easily set up some mid range fuel power, some sulfur and coal are a bit far though if you wanna use compacted coal as well

[dense violet]

put block signals before every entrance. Done

[trim vine]

Already done, been doing that for 100's of hours, its set up like every other junction I have

still getting the error

[onyx fern]

God, it's probably gonna take a bit to get those lol. Thank you though! I suppose I'll just leave oil alone for now until I find those recipies, then I'll go back and redo it!

[dense violet]

put them a little further back. And it's a lot easier if you make an actual post in #1038092680493801533 , overhead shots of what the block look like wit hte different colours

[steady glade]

likely you have a loop earlier that allows you to end up on another lane/route

[dense violet]

only 2 recipes. go on a saffari and get a bunch of hard drives

[onyx fern]

Will do. I'm also working on getting turbofuel, so I need to go on an adventure anyway

[trim vine]

I might agree if it wasnt for the fact that the track has been running just fine forever

I literally just added in another junction to make it 4 way and that track is freshly built next to it not going anywhere

[gentle jacinth]

is it normal for the elevator to not work even with no power activated?

[dense violet]

HOR and diluted fuel is the basis for every oil optimised recipe chain, if you want to squeeze your oil you want them anyway. Even with turbo

[steady glade]

yes and that how bugs appear

there are 2 possibilities:
1- some signal is too close its junction
2- you actually have a signal chain

can you show the other 3 lanes please?

[humble plank]

fwiw I think its way better to use round-abouts than junctions for trains... you can build a 8-segment circle in a blueprint and you can plant it down and run your 2-rail system into it from any direction...

[steady glade]

what? yes its not supposed to work if you dont power it

[onyx fern]

Gotcha. I was really excited but nervous to set up oil, but ended up doing it pretty quickly, and now I have a ton of rubber and plastic that I don't know what to do with. I thought I was missing something, so I guess it's probably that! I would like to designate some oil nodes to strictly power, so I can stop relying on my coal setup lol

[gentle jacinth]

no, as in the advanced option that lets you operate machines without any power

[steady glade]

ive never managed to blueprint it properly, i used the frame and beam offset tech but the corners are raised

[trim vine]

So you're saying that even with that enabled, the elevator aint working?

[gentle jacinth]

yes

[trim vine]

Wasnt a big fan of the round-abouts, the junctions have been working great

[gentle jacinth]

i think its because im placing it in a blueprint, i'll try it outside of the blueprint and see if it works

it was the blueprint

[steady glade]

yes elevators and belts dont work in the designer

[trim vine]

So, just deleted trains 2 placements down in all directions, rebuilt them, placed the signals down, without the 4th junction getting hooked up, and it went back to normal

However, when I attempted to add in the 4th railway, it allowed the first track to connect right, but when I added the central line, it went to shit again

[steady glade]

and most machines

[steady glade]

can you show me the left and bottom lanes from the pic pls?

[trim vine]

you free for a call and I stream?

[cyan garnet]

Make a thread in #1038092680493801533

[steady glade]

its 7am where i am, my bro is sleeping next to me

[trim vine]

Ahhh, aiight, wouldnt need to chat, just easier to see video, I presume

[steady glade]

then sure thats fine

[hushed root]

is there a way to edit the public/private notes section without having an item in the to-do list

[trim vine]

Tasgged you in a thread

[steady glade]

you need one i think

[hushed root]

i figured it out, you can open any menu and hover to the right hand corner of the screen to bring the notes panel up

[vapid marlin]

How many different items (slots) should I make room for in a central storage facility? I'm tier 4 now but want to keep it for a while.

[steady glade]

oh cool thanks

depends what you wanna have on hand

[sour ledge]

man i decided with linking blueprints i would finally make Nice Looking Rail instead of Bare Minimum Rail but good lord, deciding i want to get rid of a section of architectured up stuff is horrid. so many tiny little pieces to dismantle floating in the air....

never would have expected the most tedious part wasn't building it, but taking it down...

[spiral dew]

there's a blueprint delete mode if that helps

discovered that recently

[sour ledge]

....

that would help tremendously

how do you do this magic

[spiral dew]

dw i deleted so many before i learned

F for normal delete, R to change mode

[sour ledge]

oh my god

[cyan garnet]

You can use this mode to “sample” blueprints with the middle mouse button too. Super handy

[sour ledge]

i have got to start whining faster - i just tore out like three thousand items (not even exaggerating; full loads of 50 at least a few dozen times...) when i could have just deleted the blueprints all at once....

[spiral dew]

wow i did not know that either

[sour ledge]

wow i thought larken was gonna have a clear winner for protip of the day but now we're on a roll

[spiral dew]

time to stop procrastinating phase 3 and actually do the thing

[sour ledge]

i start procrastinating in phase 3 a lot too. then i come up with an idea how i could totally do my initial build in a different way to better prepare for a new, shinier future build plan and start over

[spiral dew]

#screenshots message any tips for maybe building on the other side of the main bus? i left it free because i need more lanes

[reef basin]

imo Satisfactory isn't great for main bus

[sour ledge]

you've got walls around your factory - you are already so far beyond me in the field of aesthetics that i can offer no advice, only admiration lol

[spiral dew]

its my first mildly successful attempt at something aesthetically pleasing but it felt impossible without a bus to progress

[gentle jacinth]

i hate making factories with floors, and then to make it with walls is just superhuman stuff

[sterile blade]

Any of the preferences that could make one think "I'd prefer having less belts rather than than more"

[sour ledge]

anyone managed to get hypertubes to link up via blueprints? i've been testing an under-the-rail thing and no matter how i line up the supports i shoot myself out in the middle of the tube, even though it all looks properly connected...

[dense violet]

this is just a lot of belts stacked together.
Which is fine? but you're probably going ot have a much harder time with aesthetics this way

a lot of building nice looking things is being able to play every section and how they interact with each other and how you lay down logistics.

Sending X ppm to a place that needs X ppm (parts per min)

[sour ledge]

.... withdrawn. auto-connect is a build mode, and i am now doubting life.

[dense violet]

start from an end point , probably with a good planner, and then work backwards and plan every section and how they interact

[spiral dew]

Yeah it's still an eye sore with the giant wall of conveyors

i routed the belts from the bus to buildings underneath the concrete with floor conveyors

[dense violet]

exactly.
also there's a whole channel for this #design-and-architecture , you can post pictures.

but if you're aesthetics is anything that resembles how people use buildings IRL you probably don't want to stack a bunch of belts on top of each other

[onyx fern]

Is anyone else also a huge fan of just open factories? I've only tried encasing one factory in a building, and didn't really like how it looked. I don't think I'm very good at building largescale, but I also just love the look of open-concept factories lol

I feel like I should be making buildings more, but open-concept is just fun

[gentle jacinth]

open lets you have any amount of space, encased ones also have any amount, but thats if its buildable in a certain area along with your factory size

[spiral dew]

#screenshots message i am mostly trying to get rid of random conveyors from random directions coming into feed stuff

with a sprinkle of buildings and aesthetics

somewhere between functional and easy to iterate to the end game and pretty

[leaden ether]

Yeah both have their appeal. I do like having things open so I can admire all my hard work 😄 But then I also like encasing them in something neat.

I've seen some that are well done combinations of both though...

[spiral dew]

building vertical is def a challenge

[onyx fern]

That's exactly how I think about it! Though, I need to get better at building nice looking buildings before I abandon open lol

[gentle jacinth]

i wish elevators didn't make it so you couldn't just not build beams around them, especially if you want the glass to look outside

[spiral dew]

i think if i could restart just the most recent attempt id bury the main bus under concrete 😄

'invisible bus'

[leaden ether]

Here is an example of one of my factories before and after encasement 🙂 #screenshots message
(Missing railway stationa and road at this point)

[dense violet]

yeah, have dedicated belts going from building to building. Place buildings next to each other

multiple floors can really help with this

[warped pawn]

is it better to build then encase the factory? or build the case fiest

[sour ledge]

i do that sometimes too! my factories all have hidden floors/basements where when i build myself into a corner, mysteriously stuff just goes underground/into the roof and comes out in the right spot 'o.o

[warped pawn]

first

[dense violet]

generally build the factory first with planning on how you're going ot shape walls and internals

[gentle jacinth]

i'd say build the case first, then try to fit the factory inside

[spiral dew]

i really liked th ceoncept of just having buried factories layered ontop of one another

[leaden ether]

In the image above you can see how I laid out various production units as separate mini factories surrounding the main one. Worked really well.

[dense violet]

cause you don't want to trouble shoot things w/o clearly seeing everything

[steady glade]

make the factory first, worry about cosmetics later

[spiral dew]

love the parking lot

[warped pawn]

thx to all

[sour ledge]

just be very, very confident in your planning. Figuring out your own spaghetti to make changes to try and optimize space is one thing, but when you start putting belts under floors, attics, and the lifts go upside hidden ducts in the walls, it uh.... well. never stop building halfway s'all im sayin. i came back to a heavy frame factory that i had to stop building in the middle and legitimately just... left it there, unfinished and unfunctional and built another one next door...

[gentle jacinth]

ive been playing for 4 hours straight and its saying to drink water

[steady glade]

stuffing my refineries into stinger caverns to "ensure proper land coverage"

[spiral dew]

stinger caverns
excuse me

i will be avoiding those

[stone python]

just turn then into cats, makes it soooo much better to hear meows from across a cavern 😄

[steady glade]

ye but then im not pissing my pants when a gaggle of giants ones follow me all the way back to my factory a few km away

[fresh copper]

Am I doing this right? #screenshots message

[warped pawn]

u need better pipes or less water

also i reccomend keeping all pipes level to the inputs

water will always fill the lower pipes before the higher pipes

[fresh copper]

mk

but for the overfilling issue, i have that center one split into two, so it should balance out right

to be 180/180 on each side of that

[rustic otter]

finally got home, house stinks for no reason after a week of straight cleaning, 1.1 launched the day after i left, same thing with siege X, its 1 15 in the morning, got off a 4 hour flight from southwest and watched 2 free movies, im tired, i dont have my pugs as they are with someone else rn, and all 4 cats are meowing

[warped pawn]

not totally sure but i think once theyre split do not merge cuz that can caise issues

cause

[fresh copper]

sounds like the perfect time to play some satisfactory

[rustic otter]

does, but i was doing some minecraft and im fucking tired

[fresh copper]

so other than that is that good?

[warped pawn]

as long as everything is prefilled before starting up no matter how u split stuff it will stay full if u have enough liquid

and headlift of couse

[gentle jacinth]

does purity affect output?

[warped pawn]

yeah

[dense violet]

yes. 1/2x, 1x , 2x for impure normal pure

[gentle jacinth]

alright

[dense violet]

but it honestly doesn't really matter. Just math it out

[gentle jacinth]

i think i should put the resource thingy on all crude oil nodes then

[dense violet]

sure. there's a very small difference on power per unit of resources, that's really the only difference

and if you're power system is in danger from that extra power draw from impure nodes you need to drop everything and build more power

[reef basin]

actually, 1/2/4x 😛

(and yes, I know the tooltips are not matching that)

[gentle jacinth]

im just using it to make other stuff for now, im just playing around in an all advanced settings enabled save

[warped pawn]

theres also 1x

[reef basin]

what do you think the 1 in my message stands for

[gentle jacinth]

im getting fuel and polymer resin, i think ill just store the resin

[reef basin]

use it for more product (and sink excess) 🙂

[fresh copper]

@warped pawn oh r u underclocking the 6th gen?

[warped pawn]

no overclock

i cant since i dont produce enough coal

my coal gens are just for extra power i have fuel gens and other stuff

[gentle jacinth]

i set up 3 whole refineries and its still getting overloaded

i think im going to just flush out my oil reserve

[granite dove]

is silicon circuit board good/ is there any good synergies with it?

oh wait nevermind its great i misread the numbers

[dense violet]

every recipe is great in their situations.

and you could combo it with like.. crystal computers

[reef basin]

all recipes are "good"

[clear aspen]

Is there where I ask questions that are somewhat related, but kinda off topic, it is there another channel for that?

[granite dove]

if its somewhat related just post it here

[clear aspen]

Alr

Is the nuclear generator a Bwr or a pwr?

[dense violet]

a what?

[elder apex]

neither

[clear aspen]

I’ll dm u the difference

[granite dove]

it is a bwr

[dense violet]

pls don't

[elder apex]

it's an amalgamation

[clear aspen]

Alr

[dense violet]

all it does is burn a rod, make some waste. That's all you know

[granite dove]

boiling water reactor btw

[clear aspen]

Thanks broskie

[gentle jacinth]

either i make all my fuel go to one buffer and make it go alllllllllll the way back to my base or just setup power lines

[clear aspen]

Imma guess same as coal gen, also a bwr

[dense violet]

power lines . Also don't use a buffer for moving fluids long ways. No need

[gentle jacinth]

i found 2 oil nodes next to each other, so ill just make one to contain both and then put it in the refiner

[clear aspen]

I’m to much of a nuclear power nerd 💔

[granite dove]

and you can get away with using just one pump if you use a water tower but the community is pretty sure that's a bug, although i imagine its pretty low on the priority list

[dense violet]

I mean it's like every other process in the game. Figure out how much you're processing, and what the recipes call for

[gentle jacinth]

im just playing a save with all advanced settings enabled, i just wanna make a somewhat good factory even though i dont need to

[clear aspen]

Oh I’m not even close to nuclear, I was just curious

[dense violet]

I really don't recommend unlocking everything in one go as you don't get all the skills you need scafolded in a good way to learn, but you do you

[clear aspen]

I can’t even play satisfactory, I’m on vacation

[granite dove]

its a good thing water in this game is unlimited and cheap to move cause there is no water recycling to be had! super inefficient

[clear aspen]

Fair

[gentle jacinth]

i found yet ANOTHER oil node

[clear aspen]

I wanna play satisfactory on console, I itch for factory games

[reef basin]

SF is definitely a game I'd never play on console

[gentle jacinth]

i have 2 pure oil, and the other one is like the one that runs off

[clear aspen]

I’m to desperate

[granite dove]

im ngl satisfactory on console sounds like a pain in the rear

[reef basin]

get a PC ||master race||

[clear aspen]

I’m on vacation

[gentle jacinth]

i play satisfactory on 8gb of ram with chrome open

my computer begs for me to stop playing but i need to make more factory

[reef basin]

so bring a laptop, still smaller than bringing a console (and a screen to connect to)

[granite dove]

assuming your console is a ps4/5 or any xbox its not that hard to make them run linux

now we just have to hope satisfactory has steamdeck support cause that means it can run on linux

satisfactory does run on linux

[reef basin]

not natively, but does

[clear aspen]

Ah yes, I’m not gonna fly from Germany to Texas for a pc, or spend a lot of money for a laptop just for satisfactory, I know a game on Roblox

Holy yap

[reef basin]

yeah, instead go spend money on console and be limited by what games you can play 😛

[clear aspen]

I already have my console on me

[reef basin]

yeah that's imo waste of money 🤷

[clear aspen]

I play it cause it’s portable

[reef basin]

that's what I have laptop for

[granite dove]

okay tbf supposidly the next gen xbox will be able to run steam games

i dont remember where i heard that from

[clear aspen]

Imma play a Roblox factory game

[gentle jacinth]

yoou should play miners haven if you want a factory game on roblox

[clear aspen]

Nah imma play industrialist on Roblox, I enjoy it

[granite dove]

texan yearns for the automation

[clear aspen]

I do

[gentle jacinth]

relatable

[granite dove]

satisfactory is like golf, the goal is to play less satisfactory

[gentle jacinth]

dont rich people play golf

[clear aspen]

Imma q-pipe on console Indus once I get my firebox boiler (yall dont wanna know what that is)

[granite dove]

rich people play games like polo

the people between upper middle class and rich play golf

[gentle jacinth]

why do they play marco polo thats stupid

i never understood the point of golf, seems boring and you just sit outside all day hitting golf balls

[granite dove]

the point of golf is to play less golf

[gentle jacinth]

satisfactory is better than any game ever (ever)

[clear aspen]

Do yall like building big polluting factories with consequences?

[gentle jacinth]

yes

[clear aspen]

Then you would hate indus, cause there’s a pollution mechanic

[reef basin]

why, they said they like pollution

[clear aspen]

Fair

[warped pawn]

its that guy that helped with my cpp

[clear aspen]

That’s 2 ppl from mamytema

How to get embed perms

[warped pawn]

i dont think its possible

[clear aspen]

Sadge

[warped pawn]

what stage of the game are u in?

[shut vigil]

anyone got a image of the map that has biombs and a grid?

[clear aspen]

Like almost stage 3 if I remember

[gentle jacinth]

can these stupid trees go away before i deforest the entire area

[warped pawn]

use nobelisks

[gentle jacinth]

blew up so many trees it made a somer visible

[left pelican]

bro fr when is 1.2

[fresh copper]

Any way to prevent water extractors from ever stalling like this? I have 3 extractors to 8 coal generators, extractors output 120 and generators take 45, so that balances out 360/360 #screenshots message

[spiral dew]

just unlocked dimensional depot....

what an amazing addition to the game

[fresh copper]

ohmy gosh i need to get that

i jsut googled it

[spiral dew]

i was waiting so i didnt spoil it for myself

now i regret not getting it sooner lol

[fresh copper]

my only alien item rn is mercer tho

so im a long way away from it

[spiral dew]

been collecting lots of stuff as i go

100 power shards 😄

[reef basin]

are you by chance pushing all the water through a single mk1 pipe?

[fresh copper]

i have a junction right after the middle extractor that splits it two ways

[wicked estuary]

Guys, is it practical to build 3 big iron/copper/steel factories next to each other that will output every resource up to motors? Never been to tier 8 or 9, so idk if it'll cause some issues in the future

[fresh copper]

im now installing head lift pumps cuz ive heard they only allow flow one way

[warped pawn]

i told him abt that

[reef basin]

mostly not necessary. Just prefill your system before using. If you still have issues, make a #1038092680493801533 post and share images of your system

[fresh copper]

i did prefill, but my extractor itself stops extracting for a little bit sometimes

[warped pawn]

its overfill

its not bad ur just producing too much water

[carmine bear]

hey, where can i get help on pipes? :p

[cursive crane]

Do you want to stabilize consumption or are you having trouble getting water to the endpoint?

If first one, drain a single section of pipe and make sure you are only producing exactly what you need.

If second.. take many screenshots and make a post in #1038092680493801533
@carmine bear there^

[carmine bear]

ty

[frozen ingot]

i'm not sure this is a thing with pipes

sometimes i run a manifold with extra water cos i can't be bothered to set the right clock speed and also to more quickly saturate the pipes. And sometimes i forget about that and it still runs fine

like if the manifold requires 200 litres a minute and you're giving it 300, it's not gonna cause it to stop working, surely

[warped pawn]

it causes the pump to verfil and when machines are ful they stop functioning unless theyre not full

[reef basin]

full input doesn't stop machines from working

[warped pawn]

im so confused

[frozen ingot]

you're perhaps referring to something else

full output would stop a machine

[warped pawn]

thats what i rwas referring to

[reef basin]

but that doesn't matter, if you're making more than you need

[warped pawn]

exactly

[frozen ingot]

no good reason for it though, arguably

you can sink excess output easily and get those sweet sweet

[cursive crane]

I think yall had it mixed up. It sounded like the OP is trying to even his power consumption, if the extractor is making more than needed it will shut down temporarily thus causing a spike

[reef basin]

if it makes more than it needs, then it shuts down when the network is full, so shutting down won't cause a spike

[cursive crane]

But no, not a problem for production of anything

It causes a drop which is in all necessity a downward spike

[reef basin]

it's not really, because once it starts up again in a few seconds, you're once again making more than you need, so the network is filling up

and the gens work all the time

[cursive crane]

Sometimes I swear you are trolling then I remember I blocked you for a reason

[warped pawn]

cant sink liquids

[shy mulch]

I don't see anyone trolling here

[frozen ingot]

you can package them to sink or use it

[cursive crane]

#screenshots message
Look at the original post. We arent talking about production of material.
User is trying to even out power graph, that drop comes from the machine turning off to compensate for overproduction. Dunno how this is even up for debate

[reef basin]

I was replying to a different user though?

[frozen ingot]

looks like you're right, this didn't seem clear! terminology can be a pain 😛

but also that

[warped pawn]

i think its better to just resuse it if possible, if not then the sink

[frozen ingot]

chaos today in #satisfactory

[cursive crane]

The fishing season will never recover from this

[boreal musk]

that extractor is turning off because the inside buffer are full, so the first row of extractors will use all of the water inside their buffer first before the last few extractors, hence the machine idling for few good seconds

you can drag the water into trash icon in your inventory to clear the inside buffer

@warped pawn

[reef basin]

my reply (and following convo) was a reply to "full input stops machines from working" and I was discussing that (and replies that came after)

[shy mulch]

if they don't want the extractor to stop due to full output, then underclock it to the exact amount being used

[cursive crane]

Or be eternally cursed to manually flush segments when you want the flat line picture

[shy mulch]

manually flushing isn't really sustainable unless that's the only factory you have

[frozen ingot]

the quest for flat lines

[boreal musk]

no, the person from that pic produce/consume exactly 360/min water
like i said, the buffer inside the machine are the cause of the extractor idling for few seconds and turning back on, just drag all the water inside the buffer to trash icon in your inventory

bcs its a manifold, the pipe will prioritize the first few extractors, so the last row will backing up for a good while

[warped pawn]

im lost

[boreal musk]

the water from input panel in your extractor, you can drag to trash them

[warped pawn]

i know that but like i dont know what theyre asking atp

the diff responses confuse me

[boreal musk]

no no, your setup is fine

[past torrent]

what causes the equipment i try to equip to get sent into the depot?

some days (irl days) it works, others it decides that whenever i press 1 to equip jetpack it just stores it instead

i could make a #1038092680493801533 post instead i guess

[heavy mist]

What’s the best circuit board alt?

[past torrent]

personally i'd say caterium circuit board but it truly depends on what resources you want to use

[cursive crane]

Silicon board underrated fr. Fastest production for easiest to obtain resources

[reef basin]

there's no "best", all recipes are useful in certain scenarios. Depends which resource you prefer

[cursive crane]

But caterium is good cuz it uses things you need for lots of other stuff so easy to loop off preexisting production or tack on to an already existing factory

[tender surge]

any mods here

croatian translator right here

[warped pawn]

way better when paired with cheap silical alt

[warped pawn]

google

[reef basin]

what's your query?

[tender surge]

i can help translate to croatian

[reef basin]

!translating

!translation

[tender surge]

any particular process for becoming a translator?

[reef basin]

fck, what the command is

!translations

[cursive crane]

!translators

[fossil ice]

Volunteer Translator Program

Interested in helping localize Satisfactory? Please apply for the Volunteer Translator Program by filling out this form: https://dyno.gg/form/6ee260f1

Command executed by: greeny.dev

[reef basin]

there ^

[tender surge]

appreciate it

[leaden turret]

@tender surge #off-topic-general message

[true mulch]

oh?

[tender surge]

oh no

that's unfortunate

perhaps one of the mods can do smth

[true mulch]

if so, ask for access via #open-a-ticket

[reef basin]

though, they only seem to accept people that are in SF discord for at least a week

[stark solar]

I think there are a few alternate recipes that are generally considered never worth using. There are a few docs out there where people try to rank them through various means.

[warped pawn]

I need help in #screenshots 😭😭 I wanna make observation tower like rings but idk what to do

[stark solar]

For circuit boards, Silicon Circuit Board and Caterium Circuit Boards are both pretty solid, because they produce 5 or 7 circuit boards apiece out of materials that are not that hard to make

[shy mulch]

make it into a giant mushroom

[stark solar]

silicon is nice because you can get it earlier and oil byproducts are not always going to be near where you're building

[cursive crane]

Circuit boards are weird. When you unlock em you need them real bad. But once you start automating computers circuit boards are almost an afterthought.

[stark solar]

But if you're already producing plastic at a decent clip, caterium is quite nice (although that's a LOT of quickwire)

Remember to think about it as the ratio of components rather than just the raw numbers needed for one production run

[hard ivy]

I never look at the ratio

basically only cost per item

[stark solar]

Oh, sorry, to be clear I mean the ratio of inputs to the count of outputs

not the ratio of inputs to other inputs :)

e.g. Caterium Circuit Board recipe takes 10 plastic 30 quickwire to produce 7 circuit board, so that's 10/7 plastic, 30/7 quickwire per circuit board produced

This is why I'm trying to get my young nephews into Satisfactory - the logistics involved make you think about things in a structured way :)

[true mulch]

those rankings are entirely subjective, trying to solve alt recipes is like trying to solve chess

[hard ivy]

solving recipes is not that hard if you know what you're solving for and how to quantify it

[stark solar]

While entirely solving chess is not likely, there actually has been a lot of good progress in partial solutions to chess that've led to things like Deep Blue.

[true mulch]

I mean SFTools can do it for one aspect (weighted resource cost)

but that's a computer solving it, not me

[reef basin]

and most of those rankings do not agree with each other

all recipes have a use. Just may not have use for you

[stark solar]

Some recipes are considered largely useless although if you like them for style or something, fine

[reef basin]

"most people don't use a recipe" doesn't equal "recipe is useless"

people often confuse popularity with usability

[stark solar]

I understand the difference, but it's not really like that. It's more that it's an optimisation problem with a lot of different factors that may differ as to

1. Where you build your factory
2. What other things you'rte doing
   Doesn't mean it's a totally free-form problem where all opinions are equal, just that it's a complex one.

(with a lot of local specifics)

[true mulch]

in practicality, you want to weigh in

• local weighted resource cost, based on where you're building
• global weighted resource cost, especially with late game recipes
• building count (for the sheer size)
• subjective complexity

[stark solar]

Ondar: And power cost :)

[true mulch]

nope! 😄

power shouldn't be a factor, really

[reef basin]

add:

• subjective preference (impossible to quantify)
• complexity (insanely difficult to quantify)

and suddenly the optimisation problem is impossible 🙂

[stark solar]

Ondar: Take that to its logical extreme and you could use converters to convert most raw resources into other raw resources :P

[true mulch]

although, by extension, more power just translates into more building count and complexity

you aren't wrong, my point is that power shouldn't be a major dealbreaker

a lot of converters will consume a lot of SAM which is probably the bigger deal

[hard ivy]

and neither should building count imo

[stark solar]

I'd argue that unless you're very short on Quartz locally, you're almost always better off switching from the (default) Alumina Solution to Sloppy Alumina, for example. Better ratio of Bauxite to Alumina solution, no byproduct that you need to sink or otherwise avoid getting backed up.

[tough bough]

Where do you guys start for the most useful spawn (experienced player looking at a new start , first since 0.8, so not aware of the impact of recent changes

[hard ivy]

either desert imo

[reef basin]

you don't sink the byproduct. You use it in alu ingots

[stark solar]

Cylen: I actually have never started anywhere but the desert hill thing in the northeast. Played all the way through several times.

[granite dove]

The spawns are mostly the same except dune desert imho

In terms of quality

[stark solar]

The northeast desert hill has a lot of pure nodes nearby, and really fantastic resources. It's a bit dismal though.

[true mulch]

I have to disagree here - more building count is more factory and more time spent building
due to the general bias alt recipes have, you can significantly reduce the building count (like two- or three-fold), often alongside the other factors like resource cost and power

[agile coyote]

4x empty canister yeah?

it says 60 per minute

is that 60(4x canister)per min
or 60(1x canister)per min?

[reef basin]

4 per craft
60 per minute

[true mulch]

4 per craft, takes 4 s to craft

!wikisearch tutorial:production+line

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=tutorial:production+line

[true mulch]

see above diagram

[stark solar]

It'd be hilariously insane to make a beeline for the swamp and try to start there. Although you'd have to be cool with dying frequently. Swamp has great resources but tons of nasty foes.

[hard ivy]

if you optimize for raw resources, you basically optimize for building count. you won't find a 2x difference within reasonable distance from minimum cost

#rules

[stark solar]

Stef: I believe you're not allowed to beg for copies of the game here.

[granite dove]

There's probably a mod that let's you start near the edge of the swamp in a safe ish area

[true mulch]

nothing stops you from starting and walking over there

you can swim around it 😛

[granite dove]

Yea but that's effort

[agile coyote]

what is the button that lets me look at an object to build that type of object

[true mulch]

middle click @agile coyote

[hard ivy]

you can probably TP there with SCIM

[granite dove]

Middle mouse button

[stark solar]

I'm not sure if there really is any particularly safe area of the swamp.

[true mulch]

and pro tip: if you first go into dismantle mode, you can see what you're about to copy

[stark solar]

It'd probably make for an exciting let's play, done by a skilled player. Or a very funny let's play done by a not-skilled player.

[granite dove]

It'd be special for all of 5 minutes until it gets to the point in the video where they need to expand out of the swamp

[stark solar]

True, plus once enough of the swamp is blanketed with power I think that's stop all the spiders from spawning

I don't remember if power lines are sufficient or if you'd need to actually have something using the power to supress spawning

If power lines are sufficient you might just want to run a power grid early

[cursive crane]

Theoretically if you cover it with enough nuke nobelisks thatll also stop them
Just delete biome

[granite dove]

I thought all you needed was a foundation

[stark solar]

Ah, now y'all have me curious and heading to the wiki to look up monster respawn rules

[true mulch]

uhhh, I don't think we updated those for a while

they've changed a bit and we haven't really rigorously tested them

[stark solar]

Ah, fudge. So maybe there's not a good authoritative source for respawn rules right now

[true mulch]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Combat#Creature_respawn_mechanism it should be reasonably accurate, just not 100%

[stark solar]

It's a bit vague. Unclear what the difference is between large foundation platforms and foundation roads between distant platforms.

[granite dove]

I assume just the points system?

[stark solar]

I'm a programmer, and I don't know what kind of rules I'd use to distinguish foundation platforms and foundation roads.

[granite dove]

Assuming that's still a thing I mean

[true mulch]

um, where do you see roads mentioned?

[stark solar]

oh, nvm. There's a better paragraph below

Ondar:

Creatures will respawn near smaller infrastructure like Pipelines, Power Lines, Conveyor Belts, and Foundation "Roads" between distant factories, etc. 

[true mulch]

are you on a different page?

[granite dove]

I would just use a heat map and certain structures add a certain amount of "heat" but that sounds expensive to calculate

[stark solar]

Oh, this is the Creatures wiki page, not the Combat wiki page. Do both cover it?

[true mulch]

ah, lol

noting this down, it'll need to be reviewed

[stark solar]

(I'd expect respawn info to be covered in the creatures page rather than a page on combat, but that's just me)

[granite dove]

I wonder what the most flesh dense area is, I know there's a cave with like 20 spiders that you can get with 1 or 2 nobelisks

[stark solar]

Ah, the combat page documents a teleport-back-to-spawn behaviour that had me very grumpy many times. So it is a real thing.

I really enjoy luring hogs to run off a cliff and fall to their doom, but occasionally they seemed to come back rather than die. Now I know why.

[true mulch]

yeah, if you lure creatures into the void, they won't die, they'll just teleport back once they're out of sight

[granite dove]

That one pillar with 2 nuclear hogs and a crash site:

[true mulch]

they have to actually hit the ground and die if you lure them off a cliff for it to register

[tough bough]

What I used to do pre 1.0 was start northern forest, grab the nearby materials near the 8 or so local ish drives and then head south east from spawn to the pure iron area and build there

[stark solar]

That's unfortunate. Has gotten me killed several times from areas where I was sure there was only one giant radioactive hog to take care of

[stark solar]

Oh, that's a great idea.

[tough bough]

Now that I know crouching doesn’t activate the bee spawners

I am much less triggered by this!

[granite dove]

One of the first things I do in a playthrough after I have a good iron copper and concrete setup is go to the red forest and scavenge some computers from crash sites so that I can get that one mercer sphere upgrade

[tough bough]

It’s these things I have no clue about

[true mulch]

lol, they fixed the startup screen that never showed up on Epic and always showed up on Steam

first time seeing it

[tough bough]

What I really hate about the game but won’t cheat it out is the Downtime required to gather all the hard drives

And you should do some early because of how the drives work

[true mulch]

I like that it forces you to go out and explore, but it's admittedly repetitive on repeated playthroughs

[stark solar]

In my first playthrough, I accidentally hit a bad bit of map geometry in the Abyss Cliffs (I think that's the name - the cliffs west of the dune desert starting area) and ended up stuck under the map. I had tons of good stuff there that I was never able to retrieve b/c the death crate was through solid rock.

[true mulch]

autosaves

[granite dove]

You really don't need to if you know which upgrades are bad, you can save hard drives just by keeping bad alts in the mam so you get 2x the hard drives per hard drive

[stark solar]

Cylen: It's not so bad to have reasons to go on hunts of various things while you let your factory chug away at producing things :)

[granite dove]

I have a hard drive in the mam that is biocoal and charcoal so I won't he touching that

[frozen ingot]

nor would I 😄

[stark solar]

Hm. I actually use both those recipes.

[frozen ingot]

the new HDD system is def nice in that regard

[warped pawn]

glad u got them both in the same drive

[frozen ingot]

yeah some people use 'em, this is why ranking alts is always subjective!

[quick sky]

is it true that bidets in Germany are called "arschwaschmaschinen"

[frozen ingot]

what for though? 😄

[stark solar]

Actually, the word they use is just Bidet

Fun story, but sadly not true

[hard ivy]

Same. I also got a Cast Screws/Steel Screws and Bolted Plate/Bolted Frame drives that're getting the same treatment lol

[stark solar]

Avoiding screws is one thing a lot of people try to do once they have the alt recipes to do so

[warped pawn]

cast screws is just a way to save urself space and lag

isnt it like impossible to fully automate biocoal and charcoal?

[stark solar]

MmM: Sure, but it can be nice to have an easy fuel source for portable generator purposes.

[hard ivy]

Augmenter: 550 MW and no fuel needed

[stark solar]

biological materials to condense and fuel those generators is basically free

[warped pawn]

is my int design good on #screenshots i think its alr

[stark solar]

KYO: Interesting idea, if you don't mind keeping resources free for that.

[simple verge]

@primal quest yo dm me rq

[stark solar]

KYO: I'm not keen on leaving 10 sloops free for that, but it is admittedly just one building. Hm.

Crater is probably the actual real expert start area if you don't mind some danger. Solid resources, nasty but managable foes, bumpy terrain. Quite pretty.

Plus when you're ready for aluminium or nitrogen it's not terribly far away.

Aluminium is probably the one really awful thing about the dune desert.

Of the starting areas, I think it's the furthest from any reasonable production site

[warped pawn]

whats a good area for aluminum prod im about to get to that

[quick sky]

I've thought about some kind of no-oil, mostly biomass fueled power system where you not only sloop the biomass but also then liquify the coal to make all the usuals but it's just way more fun as an idea than in reality. But if I did do it then I would certainly take care to shave the red jungle clean, where most of the biomass is, and then use all my sloops to make and store the initial biomass, so that I only have to do it once. Also needs an unethical amount of power storage because biomass isn't renewable (the only eco friendly power source isn't renewable, hilarious). It definitely can't get you through phase 5 though.

[stark solar]

MmM: Aluminium sites are all more-or-less in an east-west line about 2/3 of the way down the map from the northern border

[granite dove]

This conversation is not adhd friendly these messages are full on paragraphs

[quick sky]

We'll make sure to include some complementary modafinil next time

[stark solar]

Anywhere on that line you'll find the needed resources. And nowhere else.

[reef basin]

near resources you need for it 😉

[reef basin]

I mean it's a "starting" area... by the time you're at aluminum, you should have factories all over the map

[stark solar]

For Aluminium, you need: coal, bauxite, and quartz crystal. And water too.

[warped pawn]

my save file names are water bottle and water bottle with cheese on it

[reef basin]

unless you use different recipes

[quick sky]

what's the logic behind the water bottle cheese

[shy mulch]

Mine are Daz and DazAgain

[warped pawn]

its a good mixture of words idk

[shy mulch]

I'm so imagintive

[warped pawn]

i was gonna put apple on a stick as the name

but i went with water bottle

[quick sky]

my save names are "AEEIIIIXixixixixi" and "ppppp" and "hog spitter"

and variations

[warped pawn]

should i use sloppy alumina alt?

[stark solar]

I use sloppy alumina; I think it's a good alt.

[warped pawn]

okays

[stark solar]

Better bauxite to alumina ratio, plus no silica byproduct to manage.

Later in the aluminium production chain you will need silica, but I use a separate source for that.

[frozen ingot]

i like sloppy alumina and pure alu. ingots for simplicity of building but you do get less aluminium per bauxite

[stark solar]

Two outputs in a production chain is just not fun to manage.

[frozen ingot]

maybe one day i will try somethign else 😄

[stark solar]

Jaguar: I think actually you get more aluminium per bauxite.

For sloppy, I mean

[frozen ingot]

oh for sloppy, possibly, yeah, not sure. The pure aluminium ingot is the sacrifice in that regard, iirc

but it's pure 🤣

[stark solar]

Regular Alu Solution is 12 bauxite to 12 alumina - a 1:1 ratio. Sloppy gets you 10 bauxite to 12 alumina. Better ratio.

[frozen ingot]

yeah you're spot on. I was thinking of the pure aluminium ingot recipe

[warped pawn]

it uses less but basically makes more

like pure caterium recipe

[frozen ingot]

i'm basically just lazy and don't care to haul quartz to my bauxite processing tower

[stark solar]

Ah, I build long conveyors crossing my world.

No vehicles, no drones, just insanely long conveyors

[frozen ingot]

yeah i've never done that, my own little preferences often include not using long long lines of belts

i totally get it for simplicity though, i was gonna try and do a pure speed focused playthrough

and was intending to use long lines of belts for that. But speedrunning just doesn't really do it for me i think

[stark solar]

The nice thing about it is once you're past the initial lousy belts, the conveyors also can move you fairly quickly. Not as quick as hypertubes, but you can hop on/off anywhere.

Running on a level 3 or higher conveyor really can be pretty fast

[frozen ingot]

i always find myself using hypertube cannons for that, they're just too fun and too fast 😄

[hard ivy]

With HT launchers, you can also get anywhere

[warped pawn]

use cannons

u can go like the other side of the map with one

[stark solar]

Canons are okay for point-to-point, but my very-long-belts can pick me up if I'm adventuring somewhere between

They can also get me away from something nasty pretty quick

[warped pawn]

blueprints maybe

[warped pawn]

do u have them high up or on the gound clipping through everything?

[stark solar]

Mmm: Usually I try to avoid clipping but I don't have them up in the sky

[true mulch]

before they added hypertubes, there was a bug that belts moved pioneers roughly 1.5x faster, and the meta was to build a belt launcher and fly around with the jetpack

[warped pawn]

ofc not sky but like at enough that u can walk under?

[stark solar]

I'm building belts anyway to move materials. Nice that they can also pick me up from adventures, help me flee nasties, and help me know where I am without bringing up the map all the time

Mmm: Depends. No strong pattern there for me.

[rustic quest]

Is there a mod or some other way to skip the autosave and epilepsy warnings?

[hard ivy]

Yeah, you can blueprint biomass burners with fuel in them and have a launcher ready to go in one click

[stark solar]

KYO: Sure. Although you'd probably want to aim it :)

[frozen ingot]

yup, and then cos it's a separate power grid everytime you load your save it tells you a power grid has tripped once the fuel runs out 😄

which slightly niggles me!

[stark solar]

Yrouel: I'm sure you can find one on some mod site. Would be nice if that were built-in. Hopefully eventually.

[warped pawn]

its just a rough aim it dosent need to be accurate pioneer can move an insane amount while in the air, i have a launcher that takes me like 2k meters and i can go 500 if i just move backwards

[rustic quest]

I looked on both nexus and the ficsit app websites and nothing

[frozen ingot]

yeah air control is crazy high in this game, it's great

with jetpack on at least

[stark solar]

Yrouel: Then keep poking the devs (respectfully) on the QA site and elsewhere. Hopefully they'll add it.

And ignore the jerks on the QA site that just love to say REJECTED to every idea :P

[hard ivy]

No splash screen or something like that.
On Ficsit.app

[sweet crest]

My truck is Waaaaaaaay up in the sky. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Why is it in the sky?

[leaden turret]

tires filled with helium.

[stark solar]

ScottGas: Maybe FICSIT has an astronomy assignment for it?

[sweet crest]

Must be it

[warped pawn]

jetpack is required lmao youll die without it

[rustic quest]

LOVELY thanks, I was using different keywords like intro. I didn't think about using splash because there's a builtin nosplah launch option which however applies just to the initial...splash screen logo

[stark solar]

I wonder if the game will ever have a roller scooter that can attach to belts and move way faster along them. That might be fun.

[sweet crest]

I tried building a ladder to my sky truck, but the damn thing just keeps rising as I get closer to it.

[stark solar]

Like a roller coaster. Might even be helpful if you have a super spaghetti factory and have lost sight of where a rail is going. Maybe could even go up conveyor elevators.

[warped pawn]

whats a good weapon for exploring? i have stun rebar xeno basher rn

[stark solar]

Scott: It's not done with its astronomy research

MmM: I like the rebar gun. You can really snipe with it if you learn how, and it's solid generally. Cheap ammo too

[rustic quest]

@hard ivy works perfectly thanks again

[warped pawn]

makeshift drone fr

[warped pawn]

what typa ammo should i make?

[stark solar]

I just use regular ammo

[sweet crest]

Unintentional hacks

[stark solar]

Some people love explosive ammo, but it's weirdly bad at sniping hatchers.

Really if you put the time into learning it the rebar gun with regular ammo is a fantastic, versatile weapon

Explosive ammo can be a nice alternative to nobelisks for destroying destroyable terrain though.

I still don't know if "can't snipe hatchers with rebar explosive ammo" is a glitch or intended

[warped pawn]

never knew that

[south sinew]

meh

nobelisks are obtained earlier, and don't involve annoying ammo swapping, so I probably wouldn't use explosive rebar

[hard ivy]

It reloads faster than nobelisks so it's my choice of explosive until nukes

[stark solar]

Puppy: Totally fair. All about preferences here.

[south sinew]

by the time you can make explosive rebar you can also make the rifle which feels more appealing than rebar so I usually just stick with nobelisk + rifle

[stark solar]

I love, really love, that if you learn the right degree to aim above the crosshairs you can really snipe foes from a great distance with the rebar gun

The rifle is not good at sniping. Not at all.

Although if you prefer to hop in and mow 'em down with a machine gun, the rifle is great

I like to snipe

[tropic plover]

Are Hypertubes Bi-directional?
So can I put an entrance at either end or do I have to run paralell lines?

[south sinew]

they are bidirectional yes

[stark solar]

They are bidirectional, at least

If you use the right parts they can also fork

[warped pawn]

now they can fork

[tropic plover]

I have the splitter to make them fork, but if I am in the tube, how would I control the direction when getting to a split?

[warped pawn]

before they couldnt

[warped pawn]

press e

[stark solar]

If you're on gamepad I think there's another control as well

I don't remember what it is

[frozen ingot]

not necessarily! and i just meant in terms of air control, sometimes i forget to switch to jetpack and so i fly from the cannon with hoverpack on and there's less air control

[stark solar]

Surely the parachute would also work

[loud vault]

gm folks, ive been looking at this game for a while, i dont play factory games so some of the pic look like a big ol bowl of overwhelming spaghetti😆 . any advice for a noob?

[stark solar]

GreatSky: Use the wiki; lots of great info there

[frozen ingot]

parachute too!

[warped pawn]

it dosent matter how ur world looks, make ur factory as big as u want early game looks never matter

[stark solar]

GreatSky: There are also some good videos on youtube. Don't remember the name of the old guy .. doc something, but his stuff is good

[warped pawn]

explore when u can and try to collect hard drives

[stark solar]

But you learn to make better factories by making factories. Your early designs won't be nearl as good as your later ones.

[frozen ingot]

Gaming With Doc

[stark solar]

Jaguar: That sounds right.

[frozen ingot]

and it is right 😄

he's good, although he did make a video about water towers 🤔 😆

[loud vault]

ive been watching a lot of vids for a while. i tried watching yogscast guys but everything ends up looking like a massive yarn ball and i find ive lost track..ill check out docs vids, idk if ive seen any yet

[warped pawn]

those are op

[stark solar]

GreatSky: Really, just keep trying and learning from each design

[frozen ingot]

to me they are utterly redundant

fun to build maybe, that's always a thing

but functionally irrelevant in this game as far as i can tell

[warped pawn]

maybe kibitz or totalxclipse for designs

[frozen ingot]

can't stand Kibitz's tone/style personally, and i have to listen to TotalXclipse's videos at 1.25x speed 😛

[shy mulch]

Don't be put off by some of the utterly incredible builds you see here, and on facebook, and on youtube etc.
Play at your own pace, enjoy what you do, learn as you go

[frozen ingot]

they've both made cool things though for sure, in game

[loud vault]

i started watching sutr (i think) but it was the 1.1 vids and i realized i need to go back more

[warped pawn]

he never gets to the point but got tons of good designs

[shy mulch]

Never really got into kibitz or xclipse, I like gaming with doc for actual advice, and letsgameitout for beautiful design inspiration

[loud vault]

the build sizes not so much, but it seems like a lot of logistical stuff. i think im just going to get it dive in.

[frozen ingot]

same, yeah Doc makes great shorts for advice

[keen hawk]

just got to tier 4, started in the rocky desert and im really getting bottlenecked by copper rn

[frozen ingot]

and just generally seems like a good guy

[keen hawk]

do people usually make train lines for raw material?

[warped pawn]

doc is the only one that gets to the point

[stark solar]

@loud vault I have a google doc of notes I can share if you like

[warped pawn]

depends how far it is

[frozen ingot]

yeah Doc clearly made an effort to be concise and clear, and indeed chose the shorts format on Youtube!

[loud vault]

man, i got books of game notes, glad im not the only one😆

[shy mulch]

The game itself is well paced and leads you through it, just read what it says on the screen and follow the phase goals and MAM research.
Trying to replicate things you've seen or overcomplicate it I think scares some people off

[hard ivy]

Depends how far and how much do I need to move

[warped pawn]

for some reason its easier to get tier 3 conveyors than tier 2 ones in early game

[stark solar]

GreatSky:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/189bm7cFJh2cZW2dJ6YBJx6lnI1tuHINnY_7Ng9ElIUI/

(I'm sure there's a lot there that people will disagree with)

[keen hawk]

i havent even gotten to nuclear pasta yet and im super short on copper already

not sure how ill cope with pasta once its here

[frozen ingot]

just gotta e x p a n d 😄

[loud vault]

this is great, thanks

[stark solar]

I'm in my mid-late 40s; started writing it for my nephews whom I'm trying to get interested in the game.

[warped pawn]

i should build a gigafactory

i slowed my progression by like 4 days because i thought my world looked ugly

im still working on it actuallu

[loud vault]

ill be 51 myself. i need games with longevity since ive become introverted these days. the more stuff to do and collect, the better

[stark solar]

Yeah, Satisfactory is good for that.

[loud vault]

we can pick the landing zone? i thought it seemed like a random crashlanding?

[stark solar]

You have 4 choices

[frozen ingot]

four landing zones on a single map

random within the zone you pick but the zones are fairly big

[stark solar]

Oh, I wasn't aware there was any randomness within each zone as to where you land. I thought that was static

[frozen ingot]

!wikisearch starting areas

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=satarting

[frozen ingot]

nope 😄

[loud vault]

oh, i see

[warped pawn]

ngl i thought it was different worlds

when i started

[frozen ingot]

!wikisearch starting areas

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=starting

[frozen ingot]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/World#Starting_areas

[stark solar]

I always pick the Dune Desert and it seemed to me I was always landing in essentially the same place within it. It's at least not a hige difference

[frozen ingot]

the SCIM map shows it

[warped pawn]

why dont people just sink the radiation buckets

[loud vault]

geez, ok check bot, ill look at the wiki😆

[stark solar]

Mmm: You can't sink them

[frozen ingot]

maybe the zones aren't as big as they are shown on that map, not sure

[loud vault]

i dont know what that is, but i will keep this advice

[stark solar]

A lot of the radioactive byproducts cannot be sunk

[warped pawn]

ohh i see nowonder

[stark solar]

You can sink raw uranium though.

[loud vault]

what, like to discard it?

[warped pawn]

next [hase ima get into uranium i think

[stark solar]

So if you really need to clear a radioactive limited deposit from an area, you can discard it

[warped pawn]

basically reduce it to nothing

[stark solar]

Yeah. I often do that once I have some rad protection, to entirely clear radiation from large parts of the map. Ditto with blowing up poisonous gas rocks

Taming the wild, as it were.

[warped pawn]

how do i get mycellium

or that thing to get fabric unlocked in the mam

[stark solar]

They're lying on the ground in some caves and forests

Growing on the ground, I should say.

[tropic plover]

For the Hyperloops, how do I increase my speed through them? Do I unlock something later that helps make me go faster?

[warped pawn]

nope, make a cannon

[stark solar]

Acoustic: You loop them and carefully plan the entrance/exits to push you back in. Each entry speeds you up

[loud vault]

that kinda reminds me of the old minecraft booster rails..

[stark solar]

It'd be cute if the devs made an easier way for hyperloop entrances, by letting you overclock them

[warped pawn]

oh i was thining about a normal cannon

[austere lichen]

At this point why don't we have teleporters as endgame personal transport yet

[stark solar]

Roz: There are teleporters. They're just crazy expensive

[austere lichen]

Ah

[stark solar]

They're unlocked at the very end of the game

[austere lichen]

I seeee, I haven't gotten that far yet

[stark solar]

You need to build both ends and continually feed them very expensive items to keep the portal open

[austere lichen]

That's a shame

[stark solar]

Yeah, IMO it's not worth it

But there are many other ways to get around.

[austere lichen]

Aka cannons?

[loud vault]

ok, im instlling this thing now. i guess im in it

[stark solar]

Canons, trains, riding a drone, running on rails, trucks, ...

[austere lichen]

Yeah l, it does keep you using those features, so I guess it's not all that bad

[white stone]

hey guys, has anyone had weird issues with things on belts not loading? i have a huge factory wide belt and multiple items are just not showing on it until i put a merger or something on it?

[stark solar]

The jetpack is mostly vertical, but not interacting with ground terrain can keep you from needing to wind your way up a mountain

[austere lichen]

I did however suggest a new feature for cable management, because I'm already getting some grievances with the system

[warped pawn]

things go invisible when updating a conveyor/adding onto it

[stark solar]

Oh there's also that (IMO kinda useless) thing that lets you clip onto a power line and use it like a roller coaster

[austere lichen]

I'm using the zip line alot in early game

Especially with the big power towers

[stark solar]

Ah, I had not considered doing that with the power towers

I'll have to try that

[white stone]

this is happeneing when im looking at a belt, not doing anything to it

[austere lichen]

It's makes direct transport easy and reasonable fast

[warped pawn]

it may be ur settings

[white stone]

running everything maxxed, friend on my save is seeing the same behaviour

[stark solar]

It may be that max graphics settings is the problem, if that renders too many objects for your video card to handle

See if reducing render distance helps, or something

[warped pawn]

check conveyor belt item frequency and conveyor render distance

[austere lichen]

Have you tried verifying files on steam? If on steam ofc

Just to be sure the new update didn't wreck something in the old save

[ebon gale]

Hey Everyone! Does someone also have the problem that when you dismantle you wont get a crate? it just dissappears

[white stone]

started a new save for 1.1!

[white stone]

set to unlimited and ultra

[stark solar]

Denni: I assume you mean when you dismantle and you don't have room in your inventory?

[ebon gale]

Yes Dachte

[stark solar]

I think there's a new setting that tries to condense crates; you don't already have another nearby, do you?

[loud vault]

what, your video settings?

[warped pawn]

may just be a glitch, report it

[white stone]

yeah, and belt settings

[tropic plover]

In my hypertube I feel like im in Jurassic park, seeing all the hostile animals pass me by, lol

[white stone]

where is best place for bug reports nowadays?

[ebon gale]

Yes and i have tried them both. it just doesnt appear

[stark solar]

Acoustic: Don't forget to play "Ride of the Valkyries" when doing it :)

[ebon gale]

not on the dismantle spot not near me.

[warped pawn]

first link in #open-a-ticket

[white stone]

thanks

[shy mulch]

Crates used to appear beside the thing you are dismantling, now they appear beside the player

[stark solar]

I wish the Satisfactory QA site didn't so often feel like the devs are not present there

[warped pawn]

devs dont feel present at all ngl

[ebon gale]

yeah thats the thing they dont haha

[knotty crow]

is there anything i can do if a slug is stuck under the floor

[zenith pecan]

Are you sure that slug isn't in a cave?

[stark solar]

There are savefile editors that can handle stuff, but Zula is right; often things that can't be reached are actually in a cave

[ebon gale]

never mind! they just spawned on the other side of the map

[zenith pecan]

Check out https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#7;-201994;-127166|gameLayer|worldBorder;caves;oilWellImpure;limestoneImpure;limestoneNormal;limestonePure;quartzPure;quartzNormal;ironPure;ironNormal , it can not only show the position of said slug, but also the caves and their entrances.

Hmpf, that link is longer than I expected.

[knotty crow]

dont think so

when i stand at the point i can hear the slug and the beeper is beeping fully

[stark solar]

Some caves have ceilings that are just beneath the land

[zenith pecan]

Considering some of the slugs I have collected are on the ceiling of a cave, I wouldn't be surprised.

[young moon]

when I try to snap mode align a merger to the output of a constructor, it snaps slightly out of alignment. is there any fix for this?

[warped pawn]

replace the constructor onto a foundation

[young moon]

don't have those yet x)

if it's just some bug or unfixed issue, I'll just swallow it until I have foundations

[warped pawn]

u cant align properly without foundations, just place it farther

[young moon]

yep

[warped pawn]

oh wait

u cant press ctrl to align with world grid

unless thats only for foundations

[young moon]

it does snap, and there is a line, but it's just misaligned

very slightly

[warped pawn]

only solution is to place it farther, its hard to align without a foundation

[hard ivy]

That's only for foundations

[young moon]

I built a straight conveyor belt, put the merger on that, then removed the excess belt

that aligned the merger perfectly

[last jungle]

BRO ADA JUST SAID "F-I-C-S-I-T"

like all the letters separately and not "ficsit"

[south sinew]

hmm so according to my calculations, using reinforced iron plate base recipe is 12 iron ingots per plate, and Stitched Iron Plate with Iron Wire, gives 10.3 iron ingots per plate, plus you can choose to source copper wire from other alternates if desired

so I think stitched plate is just better than the base recipe?

[urban pine]

Depends on what your definition of ‘better’ is. Some are more resource efficient, some more power efficient, some are just straight up faster etc etc

[south sinew]

yeah, but I don't see any metric by which the base recipe is better than Stitched

[urban pine]

In that case, you could call it better yes

[south sinew]

cost slightly less energy, produce slightly faster, and cost slightly less materials

goddamnit put iron ore in my solid steel ingot again kek

[warped pawn]

i always forget to process ores lmao

[south sinew]

also I gotta say that manifolds are just the worst and I'm thinking about a no-manifold policy going forwards

[umbral falcon]

how long did it take you to reach phase 3

[hard ivy]

? Up to one belt total manifolds are the simplest thing you can possibly build

[south sinew]

they're the easiest thing you can build, but they suck ass when it comes to actually delivering, because before machine 3 gets any resources at all, machine 1 has to fill its oversized buffer, and the more machines you have, the longer and longer it takes for the system to actually start working

[hard ivy]

Maybe except direct insertion, but the simplicity of that is situational

[hard ivy]

... and?

Like that's not an issue to me

[south sinew]

and it's super annoying to put effort into building stuff for it to sit there idle doing nothing when I want it to do stuff so that I can make progress

[hard ivy]

It's still faster than trying to get each machine exact

For multiple belts, I do belt balancing. It takes even longer to fill than a single manifold, because I have several of them and if they're unequal, they fill sequentially

I just start looking for mistakes after turning a factory on

It's usually full before I finish

[south sinew]

I wish the machines just didn't have excessive internal buffer sizes, 2 * recipe cost or even 1.5 or 1 * recipe cost should be sufficient

[hard ivy]

True

It would need to be 2x cycle cost at least though

Unless they changed it so machines consume items at the start of the cycle

[south sinew]

eh I think 1x would work ok, but 2x would also be fine

whole-stack is definitely way more than needed though

[warped pawn]

just prefill

[hard ivy]

Not with the way it works currently. Machine consumes input and produces output at the end of the cycle. If it was 1x, the input would be empty and the next cycle wouldn't start until it was full again

That's why it needs to be 2x+ or consumption at the start

Same with the output

[south sinew]

or just start the cycle even if you don't have enough resources and then just wait to finish at the end until you do

[hard ivy]

That doesn't make any sense

What is the machine making without any items?

[warped pawn]

let the ouputs fill up

[south sinew]

Since the inputs aren't being consumed, that's already the situation.

[hard ivy]

If you take out the items, it stops. So it makes marginally more sense than starting a cycle with nothing

But yes, imo it should consume at the start and produce at the end

Still, 1x buffer could cause some issues with item timing so 2x would probably be best

[south sinew]

yeah I don't see any issue with 2x and it doesn't invoke fiddly order of operations problems so I'd be fine with 2x

[hard ivy]

Or, like in Factorio, the buffer holds enough for 1 cycle plus like 5 seconds. Or something, I don't remember exactly. But it gets bigger the faster the machine is

But 2x is good enough probably

Still, the reason why it's like this is probably because it's easier to program it this way. A slot in an inventory or a chest can be the same as a slot in a machine - just holds 1 stack

Custom machine buffers would require extra code

[zenith pecan]

Straight mode for conveyor belts is proper drunk for sure #screenshots message 🤦‍♂️

[knotty crow]

can someone tell me why the fuse keeps blowing when i try to power the ruined pod thing

it needs 100 MW

[zenith pecan]

Are you wearing a hover pack?

[knotty crow]

no

[warped pawn]

too much power consumption

[hard ivy]

Do you have 100 MW to spare on the grid you're connecting it to?

[knotty crow]

single biomass burner connected to the single pod

[knotty crow]

that might be it ill check

[warped pawn]

send ss in #screenshots

[frozen ingot]

yeah, it confused the hell out of me first time it happened. By the time ou get hoverpack you just don't think about power that much, certainly not 100MW

[hard ivy]

That's 75 MW tops, when fully overclocked

30 MW at default clock

[warped pawn]

i have 30k power and i dont even have hoverpack what are u guys doing 😭

[frozen ingot]

?! responding to someone else? 😄

[warped pawn]

ur talking about ur fusr blowing when u used ur hoverpack

fuse

[hard ivy]

When you build a temp biomass burner setup for a pod, a Hoverpack will trip it.

But when you're out and about in your factory, 100 MW is nothing so you forget that it even needs power

@zenith pecan there's a rule: whenever default mode would make a straight belt, straight mode will not

[zenith pecan]

Just done that, the wierd drunken behaviour with straight has only been since 1.1

[hard ivy]

Which is really annoying

[hard ivy]

Nah, 1.1 made it only slightly worse

It was broken in 1.0 as well

Especially those weird bends at the end

[zenith pecan]

I have had 0 issues throughout 1.0 with it, I ran exclusively straight mode laying out dozens of kilometres of fucked up layouts, 1.1 , hell no its drunk.

[hard ivy]

Meanwhile, I haven't noticed many differences between 1.0 and 1.1 straight mode. It only works when you make a 90° turn with sides at least 3m long or a perfectly straight belt on a foundation

Over terrain, it didn't and doesn't work because the pole doesn't really like to snap

2m 90° bends aren't actually 90°

Sometimes it works in one direction but not the other, even though it's flat so it's not like the slope is too steep one way

[zenith pecan]

When the 90° turn is at the end it properly fritzes out, hence the weird invalid noodle that shows, that is definitely post 1.1 because I never saw that before considering I'd been belt laying the same way throughout.

[loud vault]

i chose the desert area to start and it landed right by a river, i guess thats good? can we post screen shots?

[white dawn]

#screenshots

[loud vault]

just to make sure its not my game, does the water have no reaction to players? like splash noise or ripples?

[hard ivy]

Depends on the water I think?

Really shallow water might just be visual and non-interactive

Deeper water does make a sound though idk about ripples

[loud vault]

yea its like a stream. it makes low splash noise

[loud vault]

are there fish or other things that attack in the deeper water?

[hard ivy]

No

[lost wagon]

sometimes I jump from really high places and take 0 fall damage, not complaining but I would like to be able to abuse it lmao

[loud vault]

water is pretty safe then?

[hard ivy]

You can't attack while in water, so if you're running away from something, water might be the opposite of safe

[loud vault]

gotcha

[lost wagon]

doesn't the AI resets when they go in the water, at least the big hogs do

[loud vault]

im just making sure if im in water, nothing tries to bite me

[lost wagon]

you can use the shoreline to cheese kill it kek

ah, don't know if there is any underwater hostile

[hard ivy]

maybe, but i'm pretty sure spitters and crabs will still attack you

[soft ore]

@knotty crow your not making enough power with one biomass burner

You need atleast 100 mw for the pod

[knotty crow]

ohh yeah

[soft ore]

Place like 3 and that should do it

[knotty crow]

aight thanks

[soft ore]

Your welcome

[zenith pecan]

I never noticed the "temporary" blast craters showing in concrete as I bomb trees before #screenshots message 🤣

[soft ore]

Woah that’s actually a thing?? Such attention to detail

[zenith pecan]

Disappears after a couple of seconds, it just surprised me when I noticed.

[loud vault]

iron is far but i just found a cave with blue shrooms and creepy spider things

[soft ore]

Welcome to satisfactory

[loud vault]

will these things respawn?

[soft ore]

Uhhhh I think so

[zenith pecan]

@soft ore The factory isn't that bad 🤣 , right now it only produces 450 quartz crystals and 750 silica all headed into depots, when the iron setup is completed, it'll also do 60 crystal oscillators #screenshots message , no need to fear progress 😛

[hard ivy]

Yep. Enemies respawn. Except near running factories

[loud vault]

what about the mushrooms?

[white dawn]

The mushrooms will not, no

The only foliage that respawns are berries and nuts, so long as the original plant you picked them from still exists

[soft ore]

whenever I see that many manufacturers in a line I get a tad bit scared….

[loud vault]

ok thanks

[hard ivy]

You need a lot of oscillators in the endgame and they're slow to craft for some reason

[zenith pecan]

If you think that's a lot, here's an excerpt from my old save #design-and-architecture message

[loud vault]

i think i lucked out with the first landing. there is water, on top of the cliff there is a big space for the hub with 2 pure iron and a limestone node on either side, along with a quartz lump (can i put a miner on that?). and a caterium, and a sulfur node, plus the mycelium from the cave.....

[keen dagger]

Anyone else having an issue with their hover pack

I can't get more then 3 ft off the ground

[warped pawn]

get power closer to u

[keen dagger]

Crouch was stuck on for some reason

[wicked moss]

@dense violet Fuel generators have been working perfectly for since the other night. Just wanted to say thanks for the help!

[dense violet]

glad to hear it!

[wicked moss]

I know you said that buffers are generally a no-no for flow, but using the loopback system, is there any proper way to hook up buffers if I want to have a fuel backup system?

I wanna have a backup so that if I work on the system, I dont have to worry about having to balance the fuel again

[dense violet]

well you could fill up a buffer off to the side and close it off at the junction as a valve

but it's a lot easier using power storage to kick start it

[dense violet]

also, when you unlock Priority Power Switches, you can put one on the power line out of hte power station and make the power station grid top priority - that way it never crashes

essentially impossible to crash unless you start messing with it

[winter island]

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[keen dagger]

I had issues with buffers after my train station. Valves stopped the back flow and they don't cause issues anymore.

[wicked moss]

Thats a good idea. Im definitely gonna be using batteries and priority switches too

[dense violet]

you need fluid buffers for train stations yeah, but that's basically it. And pumps will do you better than valves there

[dense violet]

well tested and reliable train buffer systems if you're interested #design-and-architecture message

[keen dagger]

Nice, not going to touch it now. That station provides the majority of the power to my factory.

[dense violet]

oh fair, if it's working it's working

[zenith pecan]

Urgh, stitched plate numbers suck a lux, I guess I'll have to overproduce by 0.01 per machine and leave the overflow to the sink.

[hard ivy]

I just let machines back up lol

[zenith pecan]

I hate that.

[hard ivy]

also, it makes exactly 45/8 so it's not that bad

[zenith pecan]

Not so good when my production line calls for 150.

Got it haha, ten machines at 249% and one at 176%, no decimals in percentages 🥳

[hard ivy]

you're 0.(6)% of a machine under

0.0375 RIP/min less than 150

[zenith pecan]

Care to explain? 14.01 x 10 = 140.1, leaving 9.9 which the last machine at 176% produces.

[hard ivy]

150/(45/8) = 26.6. which is 2666.(6) % total spread among all machines

you cannot make exactly that without having a repeating decimal in at least one machine

[zenith pecan]

That's what happened with the one machine, they don't all produce exactly because I already found the numbers refused to work.

[hard ivy]

249% * 10 + 176% = 2666% exactly

149.9625 RIP/min

[zenith pecan]

Are you seriously adding the percentages up rather than the individual machines and their numbers?

[hard ivy]

yes? because the number they show you is rounded lol

249% of 5.625 is 14.00625, not 14.01

[red linden]

is mining inpure nodes bad? It's the only coal I found so far

[hard ivy]

they're just slower. nothing fundamentally wrong with the items they produce

[zenith pecan]

🤦‍♂️ fuck it, I'm throwing the whole thing out and getting onto another project.

[hard ivy]

and that's why I don't bother with exact clocking lol

the only benefits are very marginal power gains

the only thing that matters to me is having the last machines making the final product be exactly clocked. and then they're a bottleneck for everything before them

[zenith pecan]

Since the numbers have to be at or below the ingots taken, it's a requirement! , if it refuses to work then the entire thing won't proceed, no way.

[red linden]

these stone outcrops look like they're fossilized animals

[loud vault]

what volume controls ADA

[boreal musk]

thats why i prefer normal rip recipe instead of stitched, the number could be awkward

[hard ivy]

it's expensive and requires screws why would you do that to yourself?

[dense violet]

change the unit of time you're measuring it in and the numbers are fine

[zenith pecan]

Screws aren't exactly an impediment, just make them nearby.

[boreal musk]

screw is perfectly fine?

and normal rip recipe isnt that expensive either

[keen dagger]

I wish elevators had proper walls or stopped being so possessive about space.

[zenith pecan]

The setup I'm working with will need nearly 400 ingots more with the standard or bolted frames.

[hard ivy]

stitched + iron wire costs 8.7 iron ingots per plate, default + cast screw needs 12. Plus more machines to make it.

and it requires nearly twice as many screws as stitched does wire, so you can't make manifolds nearly as long and compact

In my eyes, default is worse than stitched in all possible aspects

[heady radish]

about to go into STEEL production (once Ive explored and unlocked alernates got all the way to it without them 😅 ), should I invest in Mk2 miners / buying industrial beams from the AWESOME Shop before setting up the ore nodes for steel?

[steady glade]

start with default recipes you'll need them anyway

you can go get more alternates while accumulating more beams and pipes

[hard ivy]

just set up production with mk1/2 belts and mk1 miners, but design it with mk4/mk2 in mind and upgrade everything once you get enough items. no reason to waste coupons

[heady radish]

Ok thanks (:

[red linden]

Man I thought moving limestone for 500m was bad

Now moving coal across pretty much the entire desert

[dense violet]

just make a bit first, save your coupons

[dense violet]

or find some at crash sites

[boreal musk]

in your eyes, sure
i just dont want to deal with 96.4823% clock speed on my machines, and iron is the most abundant resources anyway, some extra ingot cost doesnt hurt

[hard ivy]

you don't have to deal with 96.4823% clock speed regardless. just deal with 96.4823% uptime lol

and depending on how much you need, you might end up in the same situation with default plate as well

[reef basin]

build near nodes 😛

[dapper forge]

It's very easy to set up an open plan, pilot steel line for the basic raw materials (pipes, beams and stators) temporarily till you can plan out a real factory that is slightly future-proof. Complete phase 2 then think about the real steel factory.

[red linden]

not at tier 1

[steady glade]

realistically:
default costs 9 iron - simple and easy to make
stitched costs 12.something iron for 3 (with iron wire alt) - bit more involved but efficient
bolted costs 31 plates for 3 - costly but very fast
adhered costs 3 iron but also rubber - higher tier but extremely resouce efficient

[hard ivy]

how is it more involved? it needs the exact same number of steps

1 less even, if you're not using cast screw

[keen dagger]

Why doesn't this snap to the splitter anymore. #screenshots message

[dapper forge]

Can someone confirm if doing hard drive rescans after unlocking new tiers would open up the alt recipe pool to include recipes from the new tiers even if you did the initial scan during earlier tiers?

[vestal canyon]

Hello, Will there be a way to have the early access supporter pack transferred to console

Probably not but who knows

[steady glade]

it requires iron wire alt or mixing resources, for a tier 1 resource, i'd say it is a bit more involved