satisfactory

[solemn glacier]

becuase it will feel like it takes forever

[boreal musk]

tbh gathering all the iron will be the hardest part of the project, making the hmf itself isnt that hard

[solemn glacier]

where are you gonna put it

[boreal musk]

but i have lay down entire railway network looping entire map, so its not that bad ig

[boreal musk]

somewhere around rocky desert

[solemn glacier]

there are a lot of nodes there

plus grass fields are close by with more nodes

[dense violet]

That sounds like you’re not using the more resource efficient recipes

[boreal musk]

yeah cuz im not using steel

[dense violet]

…. Yyyyyy

[boreal musk]

i have use for those coals later on

[dense violet]

Just import a bit of coal instead of all that iron then

[solemn glacier]

in the north of dune desert there is coal (i think 2 nodes)

then maybe a couple km east (i am probably very inacurate) there are another three

*rocky

@zenith pecan thanks for doing the work that you do

[maiden jacinth]

knowing which platform delivers what sounds like very little work to me

[dense violet]

that was my point, yes. But also having multiple trains delivering items like that can really reduce the delivery platform's throughput

[sleek crow]

Is wood to coal a good recipe?

[reef basin]

Well, you either want to make max amount possible (and therefore accept decimals, which are tbh fine, just clock the machines accordingly), or make less then max.

[reef basin]

Yes, if you want to turn wood to coal

[maiden jacinth]

no

[fresh copper]

chat i am considering re-allowing satisfactory to consume my life gonna start playing again, and im considering starting over
i only have like 30 hours on my old main save and I didnt even finish phase 2 of the elevator, so like its probably chill to start over? everything in the old save feels messy

might just do a new save on a different starting location and now that i know enough about basic medium scale factory management i can keep everything feeling tidier

fck it we ball, its been five months since i played

new save

time to stay up til 2-3 am rushing tier 1 lmao

[dense violet]

occasional restarts are good for polishing basic skills imo. As long as it's not the sort of thing that burns you out

[fresh copper]

Yeah nah, it'll be nice to start fresh in a better starting location with a better understanding of how to keep the game from devolving into an ever growing mess of dissasembly crates lmao

and since its been five months, even if i had been organized, id have forgotten most of it lol

[dense violet]

I mean, just don't dissasemble with full inventory

[hard ivy]

1.1 made mass dismantling a lot less of mess thankfully

[fresh copper]

too late lol, that world has dissasembly crates under a ton of my machines

[runic bone]

serious question... why are my subtitles all australian steryotypes?

[grizzled flax]

does nuclear energy have the same layout of oil?

like do i need to use a byproduct of someone to make fuel

[cyan garnet]

Look at the recipes to see what’s involved

[oblique aspen]

nuclear is quite a bit more complex then oil, i dont think you can draw any direct comparisons, first of all it needs water+nuclear fuel, and produces waste, nevermind making the fuel rods

[grizzled flax]

im no where near nuclear

[cyan garnet]

Main thing to be aware of is the production of nuclear waste from the power plants

Which you have to either store, or process into plutonium which can then be sunk or used in vehicles

The uranium fuel rod production with the default recipes is pretty straightforward

!wikisearch nuclear+power+plant

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=nuclear+power+plant

[cyan garnet]

You get 12.5GW (5 NPPs at 100%) per 1 uranium fuel rod per minute

[fresh copper]

poll: adhd?
✅ yes ☑️ yes but blue

[dense violet]

there are some recipes along the whoile thing where there'll be a by product, but its more like alumina

[vapid marlin]

What's the trick to getting conveyor lifts to place properly through floor holes? If I try to place it from the top, it only wants to go up, and if I try to place it from below, it only wants to go down. Never through the hole.

[trim vine]

Press R to change directions

If you mean locking into the floor hole itself, you just need to look at it and hear it click into place

[hard ivy]

The hole is not a hole. It's a connector that'll pass items from top to bottom or vice versa. You need to build 2 pieces of lift - one below, one above

[vapid marlin]

Oh! Hmm. I have some that are just clipping through the hole-connector, then.. :S

[leaden bone]

is there a point of trying to use load balancers if dealing with really odd numbers

[trim vine]

If it helps, yes

[leaden bone]

just not sure how you would split things nicely when everything is like random decimals, or its probably possible to find a common factor for everything so it can be done nicely

idk

[trim vine]

Well, do you load balance all your systems?

I also imagine you're not just making one machines worth of said item, so it will likely add out over time?

[leaden bone]

atm no, i use manifold for basically everything since its easier to setup but i dont really like how long it takes to get running, especially for bigger projects

[trim vine]

Well, a good trick for that is to just prime the manifold

[leaden bone]

i have used load balancing for smelters since they usually split nicely but with constructors and assemblers etc it gets way too messy to bother

[trim vine]

I am not the biggest fan of load balancing for most things, and outside of specific situations, prefer manifold, and if you prime systems, you shouldnt have any problems

Just turn on power to each downstream system once the prime is done

what are you making? Just curious

[dense violet]

manifolds will handle any 'weird numbers' and self balance

[trim vine]

I cant react with a finger up, but he aint wrong when he's right

[leaden bone]

yeah thats why i stick with manifolding, but was thinking of trying to do load balancing so it doesnt take so long

but ill try just priming the manifold

[trim vine]

if the math is correct, it will balance out

What are you making?

[dense violet]

priming is the solution for that yeah, thoug hjust going out and doing something else works too. no need to sit and wait there

[leaden bone]

i made a new save and just working on modular frames atm which is taking forever to work consistently with manifolding

[dense violet]

screws and wire take a long while to balance because of stack size, yeah

you can always just let each screw/wire step fill and clog with manifolds and then let them run

[leaden bone]

yeah im looking for hard drives to see if i can get the steel variant possibly

[trim vine]

@dense violet did you do something so people couldnt react to your posts xD

[dense violet]

well steel screws won't fill up any faster, it'll still be the same parts per min fed to the same volume needed

[grizzled flax]

While that approach may function under certain circumstances, it is generally inadvisable to allow individual screw or wire stages to become saturated or obstructed—particularly by manifolds—prior to initiating or continuing operation. Allowing components to "fill and clog" without regulation introduces a significant risk of system inefficiency, overheating, or mechanical failure. Proper flow management, regular clearance protocols, and systematic oversight are typically necessary to ensure stable and sustainable performance across all phases of operation.

[dense violet]

it's just more compact making them

[dense violet]

... what?

[trim vine]

Did you chat GPT that?

[grizzled flax]

No

[leaden bone]

Oh yeah nvm, steel frames still need screws for the reinforced plates lol

[dense violet]

if you're priming something you don't care about 'efficiency'
there's no such thing as 'overheating'
there's no such thing as 'mechanical failure'

or really anything else

this just feels like Chat GPT spoke to me

[grizzled flax]

No i did not

[trim vine]

You aint right when you wrong 😛

[dense violet]

well nothing of what you said exists in this situation.

[leaden bone]

im not sure if stitched iron plating is any better than screws

[grizzled flax]

what situation?

[trim vine]

everything is better than screws and bars

[dense violet]

for priming? same stack size. So really up to you. Need less wire pm I thin?

[dense violet]

literally nothing in this msg makes any sense #satisfactory message

[grizzled flax]

what?

im talking about screws

[dense violet]

yes and your msg was meaningless.
also pariticularly funn you have "i am not an ai, the ai is not real" in your profile

[grizzled flax]

since when

[dense violet]

anyway, gl with talking nonsense

[leaden bone]

aesthetically as well manifolding is a bit ugly. Belts get clogged up as the machines buffers get full which is the point, but its nowhere near as good looking as a consistently running load balancer. Just kinda difficult to get the numbers to all line up

[dense violet]

that was the most chatgpt encounter I've ever had

[grizzled flax]

While alternatives exist, screws and bars remain unmatched in mechanical simplicity, strength, and structural reliability.

[dense violet]

it's sleeker than balancers

[trim vine]

If you're building tightly, thats not the case

[trim vine]

They remain unmatched in their uselessness and inefficiency, yes indeely

[leaden bone]

yeah it needs much more space

[trim vine]

Build super compact, and the belts will always just appear to be moving

[dense violet]

load balancers are essentially purely for aesthetics and wanting it as a personal challenge. If you don't care about those things there's just no point

[grizzled flax]

Indeed, alternative systems may offer advantages, but they often demand significantly more space and complexity.

[trim vine]

Not the case either, steel pipe is super easy

[grizzled flax]

That may be true for steel pipe in isolation, but integrated systems often introduce spatial and logistical constraints.

[trim vine]

Also craft times sometimes lead to "dead belts"

[trim vine]

It actually takes less space to build steel pipes with iron and save on overall space in a build

[grizzled flax]

Steel pipes may save space structurally, but added supports and fittings often increase overall footprint, making them less space-efficient than simpler alternatives.

[trim vine]

Lies, Libel, and Libations

[dense violet]

if this person isn't a bot, they are a troll.

[grizzled flax]

An intriguing trio of words—“Lies, Libel, and Libations”—each carrying distinct weight: deception, defamation, and celebration. Are you thinking of a phrase, title, or theme?

[trim vine]

Thats likely the case

[leaden bone]

yeah ill just stick to manifolding then, too much effort to load balance lol

[trim vine]

Good man

[trim vine]

I am thinking your AI needs tuning

[leaden bone]

also is priming by just manually filling the machines or is it something else im not aware of

[grizzled flax]

Fair point! I’m always striving to imp No

[dense violet]

hand fill yeah

[trim vine]

Priming can be done in the following ways

Manually load in all the materials

Or, letting upstream machines fill up, before turning on power to downstream

[pseudo holly]

my lazy ass immediately using manifolds whenever both machine outputs and inputs arent multiples of 30

[grizzled flax]

Priming may be accomplished either by manually loading all necessary materials or by allowing upstream machines to fill before activating downstream power.

[trim vine]

Swing and a miss there super chief

Anywho, sleep time

[trim vine]

<@&387163995947270144> This is a fun bot, let me know what y'all think

[leaden bone]

ah yeah the latter seems alot better ill try that

[grizzled flax]

i am not a bot

i am human

[trim vine]

I am a human*

[pseudo holly]

oh my god wait yeah i was not paying attention to that persons messages

[worldly pelican]

Which tools are you using?

[pseudo holly]

why is there a chatbot in the satisfactory discord

[grizzled flax]

screw driver

i like screws

[dense violet]

honestly I'm guessing human troll. Chatgpt spits out more human responses

[trim vine]

what is the quadratic equation?

[woven sail]

I'm more of a shovel person.... I like digging holes

[grizzled flax]

a2 + b2+ = c2

[pseudo holly]

thats intriguing

[grizzled flax]

Digging offers a tangible, grounding experience that fosters focus, patience, and a sense of accomplishment.

i like tools

[worldly pelican]

Is it too direct, if I say, that my favourite tool is the moderation hammer? 😉

[timber barn]

I think he had to Google that

[grizzled flax]

i like hammers too

[trim vine]

ok, nevermind, they just a moron

x = (-b ± √(b² - 4ac)) / (2a)

[pseudo holly]

bro thinks hes strings split into holes split into string in lines in symphonies of orchestras of

[woven sail]

[trim vine]

Aiight, fun as this has been, night all

Sorry mods for the ping

[worldly pelican]

Mod abuse! 😉

Good night!

[reef basin]

[icy crown]

hi i have one question why my blueprint don t work

[spice patio]

You just get box with arrow in it and if you try to build, the resources are used but nothing happens?

[icy crown]

yes

[spice patio]

You probably have Session Name that isn't valid Windows directory name.
Esc, Manage Session, Session Settings.
Change Session Name and hit Apply.

Cannot start or end with space or . (period)
Cannot contain any of: \ / : * ? " < > | '
(Last one for game code bug reasons)

This is game code bug, but for now to bypass you need to change the session name.
And the game possibly has a bug where it adds extra space at the end of session name for some people when the world is first created.
Last shows up as autosaves being "sessionname _autosave_x" with space before _autosave.

[nova igloo]

Surprised there isn't machines create machines easter egg, even a small ada line woulda been cool

[fathom grove]

Maybe a stupid question : Can i stay on experimental if i want to have the (hypothetic for now) beta 1.2 ?

Is there really actually a difference today between exp and normal 1.1 ?

[reef basin]

there's no difference now, and you can always switch, so imo no reason to stay on ex now

[frail sleet]

experimental might not even get some quick patches etc in the interim

[icy crown]

IT WORKED THANK YOU

GOD(or whatever you belive) BLESS YOU

[foggy lynx]

ya know what. today im starting to notice how bad 1.1 is

[fathom grove]

Huh ?

[foggy lynx]

in terms of performance, i was yapping to someone about it the other night, i wasnt noticing the performance issues but now i am

oh wait, my windows has an update no wonder its running like ass 😅

[green fiber]

Average windows moment

[foggy lynx]

ONG FR

[reef basin]

you guys have windows updates?

[foggy lynx]

yes...?

[reef basin]

that's like the first thing I disable on any windows installation

[foggy lynx]

ngl thats not very smart

security updates are very important

[lost wagon]

Internet people usually arent smart

[reef basin]

I like to run my updates when I want, not when windows decide to do so

[foggy lynx]

and then you forget to update, a security update happens, your shit gets hacked 💀

[lost wagon]

It's like the whole meme of forced update while youre doing something and the pc restarts, never happened

[zenith pecan]

I often do check for updates when I power the machine up, but what I do and when is my decision, not someone an ocean away.

[reef basin]

nothing better than putting your PC to sleep with open apps and such, and then getting back to it a hour later to see a restarted system

[foggy lynx]

dude windows never force restarts your system due to an update

[reef basin]

(and since I run dualboot, it restarts to linux anyway, so it doesn't finish the update)

[reef basin]

oh you sweet summer child

[foggy lynx]

it doesnt for mine anyways

[reef basin]

you may have the property disabled then (the one I disable on new installs)

[lost wagon]

Idk what people do to their windows installation to have issues with update tbh

[foggy lynx]

people in the discord really like to talk down to others here dont there?

[foggy lynx]

they create the problems in their heads

[lost wagon]

Maybe all the debloat without reading breaks it lmao

[zenith pecan]

Mine doesn't because I tinkered with the thing, damned thing rebooted midway through extracting a 3Tb archive, and that got buggered so yeah I changed that.

[foggy lynx]

i deadass have never had my windows force restart on me, it installs the updates and waits for me to tell it up install them...i havent told it to do that, it just does that

[reef basin]

different versions have different default settings 🤷

[foggy lynx]

what other version would you install other than Home or Pro?

like be for real

[zenith pecan]

ltsc.

[reef basin]

version is not just distribution. They can change default settings across updates

[foggy lynx]

you got me there

[reef basin]

but I wouldn't want it to install updates on background anyway

[foggy lynx]

yet theyve...never done that for me..? so seems weird yours would be doing that

[reef basin]

pretty much everyone I know around here has the same "issue", some live with it, most disable it

[zenith pecan]

No need of weird debloat shenanigans which can cause all sorts of fun down the line, it's lightweight by default.

[foggy lynx]

or just download normal windows and use a delobating tool

[reef basin]

I want to see what the update is and have control over whether it gets installed
because otherwise they are gonna push updates that are gonna force me to update to win11 or something, and no thanks

[lost wagon]

The only thing I ever had was the old popup of restarting the pc because of update backin w7, and that never happened again since windows 10

[zenith pecan]

No need though 🤷‍♂️

[foggy lynx]

it be the same thing as just installing a less debloated winsows, its 1 extra step

[lost wagon]

That won't happen unless you dont read, the w11 upate is separated

[reef basin]

less debloated windows is called linux 🙂

[foggy lynx]

are you american? you give of "the world is trying to take my rights and put me in a box" energy

[lost wagon]

And clearly says w11 pretty big

[reef basin]

no I'm not

[foggy lynx]

id prefer my games to actually run

[reef basin]

linux can run 99% of my games

[foggy lynx]

let me rephrase

id prefer my games to run well

[reef basin]

linux can run 99% of my games well

[foggy lynx]

Windows runs games way better than Linux

[reef basin]

I even see better performance on some

that was true 10 years back

[foggy lynx]

the games that matter run better on windows

[reef basin]

nowdays with Proton integrated in Steam, most run practically identically

if not, it's a sign of bad drivers on linux

(for some distros the native gpu driver is crap)

[foggy lynx]

windows is not trying to take your rights away from you tho, just because it updates doesnt mean youre gonna lose your life

[reef basin]

on linux it tells me what it wants to update, what the updates are, and asks if I want to install now, later or never

I can also manually update anything

[foggy lynx]

yeah thats like only an issue you and a select amount of people have an issue with but each to their own ya know, im happy for you, i just dont really give a shit myself coz its just an update

[reef basin]

I had 4 cases in the past where windows update bricked my pc

[ivory condor]

Well🙃

[slim laurel]

someone said Linux

[reef basin]

yes, it was almost a decade ago, but it still happened

[slim laurel]

I was summoned

[foggy lynx]

you probably fucked with the background settings of windows too much and the update didnt like that

[foggy lynx]

yeah no you gotta read the rest...it was a windows update, it wasnt the game

[reef basin]

what is the point of having those settings then?

[foggy lynx]

literally not at all what i meant or said

[lost wagon]

You know something I only thought about now, everyone I knew that complain about windows update borking had updates "manual", it's a microsoft conspiracy I guess

[ivory condor]

Oh maybe in your case it was, but for me, the fact the game has fatal errors on the render thread tells me there is definitely issues under the hood 🙃

[foggy lynx]

yeah deadass they giving mad conspiracy theorist vibes @lost wagon

[reef basin]

my point is that why can I change setting of something, if the changed setting breaks the system?

[ivory condor]

Well im still holding out to see if stability improves in future updates

[lost wagon]

The only thing I noticed with 1.1 is the skybox flickering, and don't think that's windows

[slim laurel]

If you turn on automatic updates, you start your pc and it just decides that you need to wait 10 minutes now for some updates to finish.

[foggy lynx]

just because a setting CAN be changed and was changed, doesnt mean it was changed correctly, that was my point

[reef basin]

I did change it correctly though

[foggy lynx]

yeah nah thats the game

[foggy lynx]

clearly not if the update shit itself bro

[zenith pecan]

1.1 is working alright so far, though I have noticed my machine seems to be running hotter/louder, probably just a coincidence,

[lost wagon]

You mean download? Because it only does that to me when I press the update and restart button

[slim laurel]

Bro... You heard of grub.cfg or initcpio?

[reef basin]

it was literally an issue with the update. Microsoft released a patched update a few hours later due to tons of people having the same issue as me.

hence why I don't do automatic updates

[reef basin]

that message was in the context of windows breaking after update 😉

[lost wagon]

Compared do w7 and before, updates right now are lightning fast

[reef basin]

ah yeah the good old "update and restart" that replaces "restart", so I can't reboot to linux without waiting for 10 minutes for the update

[foggy lynx]

yeah okay a buggy update bricked your entire system nice try

[lost wagon]

Mine in average takes like 3 minutes

[reef basin]

it did, when you changed settings (which was done by big chunk of more advanced users)

[foggy lynx]

and you didnt get any compensation at all? that seems unlikely

[slim laurel]

Arch boots in 15 seconds ALWAYS, and updates are done in like a minute tops

[scarlet canopy]

A fellow arch user?

[reef basin]

what compensation? since when microsoft cares about its users?

[lost wagon]

Who has booting issues nowadays tho, mine is 17 seconds and isn't even m2 ssd

[slim laurel]

The way it's meant to be :

[foggy lynx]

you should live in america bro theyd love you over there @reef basin

[lost wagon]

On a 5 years old w10 instalation

[reef basin]

america sucks

[ivory condor]

Interesting, perhaps my game just likes crashing with fatal errors, but for me its becoming another normal day playing this game hahaha

[reef basin]

(btw sorry to americans, this is just my opinion)

[slim laurel]

Point is, your booting isn't held back by some arbitrary uncontrollable update process

[foggy lynx]

it does, because they all have the same mentality as you

[reef basin]

???

[lost wagon]

But, I have control, that's my point lmao

It only does that when I press it to do

[foggy lynx]

super negative, thinks the world and every big cooporation is out to steal your rights

[reef basin]

it's not about my rights at all though?

[foggy lynx]

deep down it is and you know it

[reef basin]

I just want my PC to be usable when I need it

that's literally the only point I have

[slim laurel]

Also Windows is just bloated asf

[foggy lynx]

its your right to decide when it updates*

[reef basin]

indeed, which is why I have dualboot and mostly use linux

[lost wagon]

Usually I only press the update and shutdown button when I go to sleep, when I turn on the other day it's fine

[slim laurel]

I daily drive without dualboot. Only use windows in my VM for that CAD program I got from work.

[scarlet canopy]

I switched to Linux because the windows amd GPU driver always crashed

[reef basin]

the problem with that is some updates do reboots, and my default boot OS is linux, so the update is only halfway done, which:

• locks the windows partition, so it can't be accessed from linux
• makes it so that next time I need windows for something, I get greeted with partially-done update and have to wait

[reef basin]

no, I want to be able to do work related stuff in work hours, because I get paid for it

[foggy lynx]

dude literally ive never had my windows restart because of an update

[lost wagon]

I don't dual boot so that's a non issue for me

[reef basin]

practically every other update does a restart during the update

[foggy lynx]

dont install a version of windows that updates without asking you then 😅

[slim laurel]

Press X to doubt

[foggy lynx]

no fr, it always asks me to restart

[reef basin]

during the update

[foggy lynx]

it installs 90% of them for me but asks me for a manual restart everytime

[lost wagon]

Mine doesn't even ask, it just leaves the yellow dot in the tray

[foggy lynx]

yeah thats what mine does

[reef basin]

yeah that's what I've set it to

[lost wagon]

Doesn't do anything until I press

[foggy lynx]

dude thats the default

[lost wagon]

Yea, it's default

[reef basin]

I like how you live in a world where whatever you have is default and anything else is impossible to happen

[foggy lynx]

if youre annoyed about windows force restarting and you losing work, install a version that doesnt do that, because youre telling me you have a version installed that does

like it aint that hard

[reef basin]

I'm not annoyed by it because I changed it

[lost wagon]

The only change I did with update was stop it from getting third party updates

[foggy lynx]

if i didnt change anything then its the default

[reef basin]

default for your version in your country in given time

[foggy lynx]

then again, thats your fault for intentionally installing a version that you have to change it on

[lost wagon]

Because I don't want old nvidia driver

[slim laurel]

K, this is getting out of hand and pretty emotional rn
Sticking to the facts we all have our OS of choice.

[foggy lynx]

holy mother of god you arent real

[cobalt lodge]

@leaden bone we need a title for your soundtrack, it’s fire!

[lost wagon]

Didn't know windows had default settings per country

[reef basin]

they have been practically trolling the whole time, yeah, I got a bit emotional. Time to block I guess

[foggy lynx]

weve just been vibin like you got so annoyed at us for being like "it doesnt happen to us"

[reef basin]

no?

[foggy lynx]

yes?

[reef basin]

I'm not annoyed at all. I'm just confused why are you trying to persuade me that what was happening to me and tons of other people isn't real

[foggy lynx]

never said it wasnt real dude

i stated that windows doesnt do it by default

[reef basin]

windows by default:

• has automatic updates
• installs them automatically on the background
• if update requires reboot, reboots the PC in non-working hours (configurable)

[foggy lynx]

yet its never forcefully rebooted for me 🤷‍♂️

[shut lava]

I've been forcefully rebooted

[reef basin]

"what doesn't happen to me doesn't happen to anyone" vibes

[foggy lynx]

i havent touched my windows install at all, so my logic is that if it doesnt happen to me, then it happens to you because youve done something to make it, whether thats change a setting or install a different version, doesnt matter

my point still stands

[green fiber]

Thats an odd assumption

[reef basin]

it happened on default windows install at that time

which is why I disabled it

[foggy lynx]

how is that an add assumption when i already have prior knowledge that he fucks around with his windows installs?

[green fiber]

Are you on W10 or 11?

[foggy lynx]

im on 11 because 10 is getting discontinued

[reef basin]

I changed the settings because it was happening
you're confusing the order of events

[green fiber]

Perhaps the default on 11 is not the same as on 10 then?

[foggy lynx]

he never stated he was on 10

[slim laurel]

At least copilot is not a dependency for the file explorer anymore... Wait... Oh.

[reef basin]

I never stated I was on 11 either

[green fiber]

So youre on windows XP then

[foggy lynx]

based on the shit youve said it was pretty obvious youd never be on 10

[reef basin]

and repeatedly talked about events that are 5-10 years back

why wouldn't I be on 10?

(I am)

[foggy lynx]

im still betting youre on 11

[reef basin]

I am not

[foggy lynx]

i simply do not believe you at this point, you got so emotional who knows if youre lying to just prove a point now

[green fiber]

Was that on W7 by chance lol

[reef basin]

see e.g. me talking about it before here #off-topic-tech message

[reef basin]

some of it yes

[foggy lynx]

pointing to a post from 2023? 💀

anything could have changed from then

[green fiber]

Thats the point

Its not a "this happened last tuesday" story

[reef basin]

(though I'm still on windows 10)

[green fiber]

Its a "this happened some years back" story

[foggy lynx]

do you guys identify as brick walls by chance?

[green fiber]

I identify as "done with you"

[shut lava]

I identify as whatever is most convenient at the time 😄

[foggy lynx]

love that for me

[foggy lynx]

would you ever find that a brick wall would be convenient?

[reef basin]

want more proof? #off-topic-media message

[shut lava]

A buff brick wall

[foggy lynx]

nice!

[shut lava]

Cheerios chap

[foggy lynx]

honestly i lost interest in this like 15 minutes ago you just got so emotional i played along with it

[reef basin]

good for you

[foggy lynx]

thanks man your support means the world

[lost wagon]

I wonder if there is a smaller drone mod to use earlier fot short distance transportation

[urban fossil]

I do have a question about Multiplayer. Just how many players can there be on a server at one time at max?

[foggy lynx]

uh like 16 i think?

idk...

[urban fossil]

That's a lot-

Wait

Multiplayer supported by the game only has 4 players as a limit

[green fiber]

i think the max record was 128 ?
Though that may have been normal MP and not a server

[foggy lynx]

or is it 4? - idk

[green fiber]

You can edit that limit in the config file

[urban fossil]

Oh

[green fiber]

Default support is only 4 though

[foggy lynx]

nice! i cant wait to have all 128 of my friends play with me

i totally have 128 friends btw

[urban fossil]

Yeah. I did a google search about it and it says 4

[green fiber]

More than 4 tends to be laggy and absolutely chaotic

[lost wagon]

Good

[shut lava]

Im proud of you son

[foggy lynx]

thanks dad

theyre most certainly not all lizard doggos too

[shut lava]

Well that's kinda cheating

[lost wagon]

Lizard doggos run away, are they really your friends

[foggy lynx]

yes

[shut lava]

Well everybody starts off somewhere

[ivory condor]

Its ok Im American and I know America sucks to

[shut lava]

America is awsome what are you talking about

[foggy lynx]

bro what are you talking about?

america is a 3rd world country pretending to be a 1st world country

[shut lava]

The people are third world

[foggy lynx]

the people make the country

[shut lava]

Not my people

[ivory condor]

Only the obvious

[shut lava]

Aight gotta go to work

[foggy lynx]

where you get paid an obscenely low wage and get taxed thru the roof and forced to pay for things that are 3 times what you earn

[ivory condor]

Somehow that fact makes America awesome to, good luck trying to make sense of that🙃

[foggy lynx]

america is also awesome coz everyone yells "were free" yet theyre the least free first world country on earth

[ivory condor]

Hence America sucks can only be true in this case

I live in America and you have to be pretty deep in denial to not see the obvious in this case

[foggy lynx]

yeah ive seen its pretty crazy

[ivory condor]

Yep and only gotten even crazier this year to, but that also supports my America sucks thoughts...

[lost wagon]

Are drones big? Can't find any image on google with a drone beside something as scale

[green fiber]

Imagine a tractor with wings

Thats roughly their scale

[foggy lynx]

what about personal drones?

[urban fossil]

I feel like drones are bigger than that though, if not slightly.

[green fiber]

The port itself is 2 x 3 foundations i believe

[lost wagon]

Too big, wanted smaller drones for some short distance transporting

[urban fossil]

But I've yet to see one.

[green fiber]

Dont exist in vanilla.
Drones are for long distance

Short distance is belt distance

[urban fossil]

That's..big.

[pastel carbon]

You get used to it

[lost wagon]

Sadly, was trying to avoid a billion belts across the place

[pastel carbon]

It's not as big as train stations

[green fiber]

Yes but not as big as train stations

And comparable to truck stations

[green fiber]

What are you trying to move

[pastel carbon]

Trains do have a higher throughput, but yeah

[green fiber]

If logistics isn't your kinda thing then you might as well grab a belt teleporter mod. Because specialized drones for that would be the same

[lost wagon]

I have sections of the factory producing things, then if I am making something that uses resources from 2 opposites productions, I could use something to pick them from their respective places and bring to where I am going to produce the thing, trucks could do that, but idk about having more than 1 truck doing something close to each other, and crossing belts everywhere is kinda ugly

[pastel carbon]

2 belts doesn't sound too bad

[lost wagon]

2 for one building lmao

[pastel carbon]

I have factory complexes with 5-10 resource belts moving around

[lost wagon]

At some point it will be a spaghetti

[pastel carbon]

You can organise the belts

Try something like stacking them in a stacked belt format

Looks like a main bus, but is really just parallel belts

[urban fossil]

I've yet to dive into steel production as my biofuel generators ran out of product to consume.

[green fiber]

Welcome to the Satisfactory experience

Where spaghetti is easy to produce and costly to undo

[pastel carbon]

No matter what fancy logistics method you use, it becomes belt spaghetti in the end

[green fiber]

Factory layout planning comes in a lot

[urban fossil]

I've only got 60+ hours on the game so far and restarted multiple times out of laziness.

[pastel carbon]

Organised spaghetti : D

[green fiber]

I find starting over a bit too troublesome

[pastel carbon]

One thing that's nice about satisfactory is that the 3D actually gives you a lot of leeway for belt spaghetti

It's not like factorio where the space the spaghetti takes up is a big problem

[lost wagon]

I restarted on forest because someone told be it has good pure veins close by, also because my first run on the first spawn had coal way too far away from anything or water

[green fiber]

I lose all the progress
but
my mess gets removed.

Not a good deal for me personally.

Id rather just bear down and clean up my mess

[pastel carbon]

I follow the "ignore the mess and build elsewhere" philosophy

Then much later I might come in and replace everything if I feel like it

[lost wagon]

When I get train maybe I will just find a flat big place to build the factories and just have shit shipped to it

[pastel carbon]

Another big tip: You don't need to build a single centralised factory

You can have multiple factories

There's resources scattered all over the map, you can build factories in many places around the map

[lost wagon]

That's actually how I kinda like it, I played dyson sphere program before where pretty much all my factories start from raw instead of shipping from one to another

[pastel carbon]

Ooh, yeah satisfactory should be very familiar then

I used similar strategies for DSP early game (pre PLS / ILS)

[lost wagon]

I read somewhere saying that a mall design doesn't worth on 1.0 anymore, I didn't play before 1.0, what changed?

Trains?

[pastel carbon]

Have you gone down the MAM path for alien tech

If you haven't, I'd recommend taking a look at it

[lost wagon]

If it's the SAM tab, I didn't even get sam yet lmao

[pastel carbon]

It's that tab

There's something very nice there

[lost wagon]

Gonna check that later then

[leaden turret]

3d means layers.

lasagn

[pastel carbon]

mmm pasta frittata

Now I unironically kinda want to cook that

[fresh copper]

it may or may not be 5 am, but in a bit over 4 hours from a new game i got 15 cable, 90 wire, 40 concrete (soon to be 60), 60 plate, 75 rod and 60 screw a minute

[left totem]

and you can literally spaghetti into buildings and belts

it's some sort of art

[cunning fern]

When I dismantle a full container with a fairly full inventory, I suddenly no longer receive a crate. Am I doing something wrong or is this just hidden?

[hard ivy]

The items get merged into the closest, already existing crate within like 100m

[cunning fern]

ok... but they are only merged in an nearby crate? Not in a personal box? Problem: i cannot find a crate nearby....
And in the personal box is nocthing

[hard ivy]

Yes, only dismantle crates

Check the map if you have it unlocked

And check all crates you might have

I heard that they sometimes get merged farther away than they're supposed to

[prisma island]

i am so confused

i have a mk2 belt running the same speed as mk1

like its not stop/start but its only giving 60, all belts on line are mk2

i can screen share

[boreal musk]

check again, there might be small part of mk1

[prisma island]

ive rebuilt 3x

[boreal musk]

check the miner, is it producing 120/min?

[prisma island]

its screw output

3 constructor, all mk3 belt default recipe so 120 total, and they are backlogging but belt moving full speed

[boreal musk]

send pic to #math-and-meta

[cunning fern]

Thanks @hard ivy, but unfortunately there is no crate! Ive loaded the fresh saved game into the interactive map of the Sat Calculater to find it. The menu doesn't show me any crates. I can see only my few personal boxes.

[hard ivy]

do you have no build cost on?

[viral tendon]

Screws are so annoying to make

My rotor production is doomed because of that

[hard ivy]

Good news! After you get to steel and get the right alt recipes, you'll no longer have to make a single one!

[viral tendon]

I'm not producing beams just for screws

[zenith pecan]

LOL, now the interactive map is telling me my save has too many objects in a popup, performance warning 🥶

[cunning fern]

@hard ivy: No, its a "standard" game. I have tested it with another container, in this case an industrial container. The crate appears and i can fill it further with dismantling one more container. The interaktive map now shows me this crate.

[hard ivy]

try loading it in chrome/edge/firefox/another browser you haven't used yet. Sometimes one works better than the other

[zenith pecan]

This is the popup #screenshots message

[cunning fern]

I don't know what happened to the one container, but in future to be on the safe side I'll make sure that nothing gets lost

[hard ivy]

Oh, there's a warning now lol. It used to just crash the browser

[zenith pecan]

Tellme about it, my old save won't load on scim no matter the browser 🤣 , or computer for that matter.

[prime crane]

how do i nudge down?

[zenith pecan]

Press the pg-dn key.

[prime crane]

thanks

[viral tendon]

Guys how much do you think smelters i need for miner mk 2 on normal iron ore

Like

How much smelters miner mk 2 can handle

[zenith pecan]

!wikisearch smelter

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=smelter

[boreal musk]

how many iron it produce and how many iron a smelter can smelt? the rest is math

[viral tendon]

I just need it to be working without stopping

So my miner can supply them equally

[boreal musk]

yes you can, as long as you did the math right

[zenith pecan]

Are you clocking the miner, are your belts able to deal with the throughput, I don't know what sort of infrastructure you have, a base miner 2 with no clocks will push 120 off a normal node iirc.

[viral tendon]

I asked because i'm not doing alat

[viral tendon]

Clocking the miner?

What

[zenith pecan]

!wikisearch overclocking

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=overclocking

[viral tendon]

My miner doesn't do that

[boreal musk]

you can check the ui of each machines, you can check how much item/min smelter can do

[zenith pecan]

You haven't unlocked it yet is all.

[viral tendon]

Yeah

💔

[zenith pecan]

In answer to your question and non-clocked miner, you can drive four smelters, using a mk2 belt, they take 30 ore each and produce 30 ingots.

[viral tendon]

I'm using mk 4 belts

[zenith pecan]

This is a game of maths though, you will face a LOT of decisions based on numbers.

[viral tendon]

Also i just unlocked overclocking

[cyan garnet]

With mk4 belts you could overclock your miner to produce more ore

[viral tendon]

Well i'm using 1000 mw right now and producing 1625, i think i got room for that

I was wondering what that thingy that's locked was

[zenith pecan]

Ahh the clock UI before you research a skug.

slug*

[viral tendon]

I wasn't researching anything at all until recently

So yeah

Now i need another powershard for 250%

This game keeps geteting better

Also i did 200% and it stayed at 120 per minute

Is that gonna change?

[zenith pecan]

It's worth pursuing research as much as you can within reason, so many unlocks will make life WAY easier.

It should update after a single cycle.

[cyan garnet]

You have to set the clock speed after inserting power shards

[zenith pecan]

I didn't even think to mention that 🤦‍♂️

[cyan garnet]

You can move the slider, type in the percentage, or type in the items per minute

Pro tip you can also type math formulas into those boxes so for example you could type *2 after 120 to double it

[timid rune]

finally aluminum production is stable \o/

[zenith pecan]

Keep one eye on it over time, I had 3 of my clusters go idle earlier today after days of continuous operation, I think it was because I had to do some work on the coke plant further up the chain and it caused a disruption.

[timid rune]

yeah

I defos keep constant eye on my aluminum plant

[cyan garnet]

You always want to have an overflow sink at the end of your aluminum production chain, on the scrap or ingots

Any backups there can cause the whole thing to jam up even when properly balanced water-wise

[timid rune]

yeah I sink about 6k+ ingots a min atm

[zenith pecan]

I have overflow on ingots, I never get scrap backup, but sometimes the balance of the freshwater refineries, wastewater refineries and the alumina solution has slipped, and my piping is extremely simplified.

[timid rune]

will be lower soon though

[zenith pecan]

12k ingots going into sink right now as I reevaluate the balance, 300 more being sent to a convertor to produce 225 trigons per minute.

[timid rune]

I am tempted to convert my plant to instant scrap

given that I barely use sulfur as it

(other than the ~3k/min I use on my nuclear plant)

[zenith pecan]

I was dubious of the instant crap recipe due to the amount of sulphur I often use elsewhere.

And sulphur will get nuked hard when I'm making classic batteries again.

[timid rune]

once I finish my plutonium and ficsonium cycle I am taking down my turbofuel powergen

[boreal musk]

recently my whole alu production stop cuz i forgot to connect power to my sinks, so everything got backed up

[zenith pecan]

Right now I'm working out a plan for quartz products aimed at a depot so I'm aiming to use the most out of the way deposits possible,

[zenith pecan]

🥶

[timid rune]

oh yeah that's a pain

probably because I run a modded save I have to deal with belts randomly getting "stuck" >_>

(an item gets stuck oscillating and the belt completely stops)

[zenith pecan]

Tbh, I haven't dared go near mods, such issues and breakages/stoppages are a bit of a deal breaker for me.

[boreal musk]

it would be a disaster if im just a little bit more late when checking the alu plant

[zenith pecan]

I can cause epic fold ups well enough without a mod throwing things like that in on me.

My last one was a failure of truly epic proportions with bauxite and a poorly designed cascade overflow piping system that I thought was a good idea (it wasn't) and I had the place crash harder than any of my previous attempts at variable input prio voodoo, and it was separate waste/freshwater to boot so, yeah that fail truly blindsided me.

Bollocks! 🤦‍♂️ , ok I need to put a danger of death sign on the north/south tube as it's incomplete, I just sailed off into the void for summer holidays 😡 🤦‍♂️ , I really need coffee 😛

[timid rune]

I thing I did notice is that I need enough water or alumina solution in the feedback system for stuff to stablisie

[zenith pecan]

Did you recycle or use separate waste/freshwater refineries?

[timid rune]

recycle

[idle storm]

is straight mode broken?

[zenith pecan]

Recycle can be bitchy at times.

[zenith pecan]

On belts?

[timid rune]

actually I feed it back into separate as well

[idle storm]

yeah

[timid rune]

straight on belt doesn't work on small tight corners

I just fall back to default in cases like this

[zenith pecan]

The behaviour is a bit messed up, sometimes it won't actually work when I do tight corners like it used to.

[idle storm]

yeah i got the same problem just checking it wasnt my mods

[zenith pecan]

Not a mod, I run vanilla 🙂

[idle storm]

i only run qol mods because there are somethings in vanilla that shouldnt be the way they are lol

[zenith pecan]

Personal lifts maxing out at 196 metres for example 😡

[hard ivy]

or the hoverpack having smaller range than a powerline

[idle storm]

HONESTLY

[timid rune]

I love modular load balancer though

[hard ivy]

I just build mine

[reef basin]

I don't build balancers 😛

[hard ivy]

you're missing out

[reef basin]

on building unnecessary things

[lost wagon]

What do you use? Didn't check any mods yet because I usually wait to see what I don't like in vanilla first and go from there

So far I think I will get the personal drones, so I don't have to run to storage to get something I am missing to build

[reef basin]

that has ingame vanilla solution

[lost wagon]

Is it cooler than drones?

[hard ivy]

unneceary? yes. useful? also yes

[reef basin]

yes (imo)

[idle storm]

infinite nudge, infinite zoop and hoverpack ultimate

i dont use many

[reef basin]

not useful for my playstyle 🤷

[mortal ginkgo]

sometimes straight mode adds a tiny bit of curve to end point because previously the belts start point was not aligned to the grid. This happens if you dont use straight mode from beginning to end for a full belt segment

sometimes straight mode goes rage mode too which makes belt straight as much as my current irl problems

[hard ivy]

nah, it happens even when the previous belt is straight

[mortal ginkgo]

didnt happen to me but I wont bet on it. straight mode isnt straight about why it works and why it doesnt

[idle storm]

i just hope they fix it soon

[mortal ginkgo]

this happens also when you dont finish the straight mode rotation completely. Making a belt that ending while doing a rotation causes belt to go off grid as well

if you really want things to go proper, put those belt carrying stuff first

like the belt supports, forgot the name

[pseudo holly]

I wish zoop and mass dismantle had an area option, thats my QoL wish

like zoop for a 10 by 10 foundation or wall would be awesome

and dismantle gets an area mode where you select two corners of a cube and everything inside gets dismantled

[idle storm]

that would be cool to see

[dense violet]

you are extremely early in the game then if that's what you're thinking

[mortal ginkgo]

I am totally surprised we are still limited to 50 items while a complex non-bp setup visual design can have 300+ items.

not only that but we cant select more than one bp to dismantle

[cyan garnet]

Unlock dimensional depot in the MAM

[mortal ginkgo]

this game obviously got a memory leak that gets worse as you build stuff in bulks.

[tropic plover]

Hey all, new here and to the game.
Got it in April but really only started playing a few days ago.
Finding BioMass is becoming more and more difficult.
Is there a way to know which generators have run out without having to run all over the place and look for the red outage lights on smelters and such?

[reef basin]

gens also have the indicators

[zenith pecan]

I have had the straight mode go quite nuts as @hard ivy mentioned, when coming off another straight belt, this issue only came to being in 1.1 though, never had it before that.

[tropic plover]

I know, but what I mean is if I am out exploring, I would like to know what has gone down and where rather than have to run through my whole set up to figure it out

[zenith pecan]

Woah!, my discord was scrolled up, I hope to hell I didn't reply to an ancient message!

[mortal ginkgo]

I posted that message in 0.5 update, 2022. 😭😭😭

[idle storm]

most people have their grids connected

[dense violet]

if you punch about 10,000 leaves, just sprint and hit bushes, and process that into Solid bio fuel (which is more efficient) you should be able to get to coal power

focus on going up the tiers, you're in the pre tutorial

[ember marten]

how do i blow these up? i wanna get cat erim #screenshots message

[dense violet]

bombs

[mortal ginkgo]

i think you are not using power poles to make one grid and instead linking each building to one biomass burner?

[ember marten]

Any?

[tropic plover]

Am out of Tutorial.
Have 1 coal node so far and one coal power plant, water and coal are so far from one another and now all the other coal is so far away I took a tractor with me to try figure out how I am going to get it near my base.
Also the fact that I have to keep using biomass to keep my water pumps working is daft

[idle storm]

nobolisks go through the sulfur tech tree

[idle storm]

where did you start?

[spice patio]

The devs really should have moved the HTTPS API to new port...
So that dedis would have had 7777/UDP as the normal traffic, 7777/TCP as the new reliable data port, and something else than 8888/TCP as the HTTPS API port, as that 8888/TCP is too often already in use...
But too late.

(ranting)

[mortal ginkgo]

I am really curious. Are you using Power Poles?

or are you linking each building to a biomass burner?

[primal haven]

you dont need the coal near your base, you just need to connect your main base to the power plant with wire

[cyan garnet]

You know the coal power can connect to the water extractor so that it’s self sustaining right?

[tropic plover]

Yes, power poles. But the water pump needs a lot of MW, so I have just the extractor and 1 pump on one burner and then all the other pumps are linked to a second burner to pump the water all the way to the plant

[mortal ginkgo]

what you need is not one coal generator but more so it became self sustaining

8 coal gen can accept 3 water extractor

[cyan garnet]

There is an ideal coal power location in each starter biome with coal and water close to each other. Where did you start?

[zenith pecan]

In addition, have all the generators on one common grid, using the power poles.

[dense violet]

find coal that is near each other.

most coal is next to water

if you started in the first starting zone, go north north west. There's 4 nodes next to a lake

[lost wagon]

The first spawn doesn't have coal near water

Well, it has a puddle near one

[tropic plover]

The only coal node I have is on a floating island so I had to use one of thos elaunch pads and a landing pad to get there.
Now I just walk across on the conveyor belt.
Other coal nodes are abouy 1000 to 1500 meters away and in the bottom of a valley

[dense violet]

yes it does, to the north north west.

[dense violet]

keep looking, north, north west

maybe 600m

[main spire]

https://tenor.com/view/minos-prime-ultrakill-gif-27016097

[primal haven]

there are a few lakes

[main spire]

am back

[mortal ginkgo]

and you started with a failed embed. not a good look bro. F.

[primal haven]

theres another coal node east of the floating island one too

[main spire]

after 2 years of a burnout break and the game crashing upon loading

[dense violet]

probably mods

[main spire]

i dont even know how to mod satisfactory ;-;

[primal haven]

verify files?

[main spire]

my pc is just a potato (VERY bad)

[tropic plover]

Is every map identical.
Like if I play the same region over and over, everything will be the same or are the maps random/procedural?

[dense violet]

might just need a full reinstall.
oh lol you might be a bit screwed then.

[dense violet]

yes

[main spire]

it works now dont worry

[dense violet]

also every start zone is on the same map

[main spire]

tho i get a HUGE lagspike that lasts until i close the game when i play for a certain time

[lost wagon]

How much ram

[main spire]

8 gb :P

[slim laurel]

Oh boy

[main spire]

very poor so i cant really upgrade my pc rn

[lost wagon]

There you go

[main spire]

is 16 or 32 reccomended?

[zenith pecan]

What's your operating system, if you don't mind me asking.

[zenith pecan]

16 minimum imho, I'd strongly advocate for 32 personally.

[slim laurel]

Depends what gen you're on.
If you plan on upgrading the entire setup, it's not worth buying 32 rn

[main spire]

money-hungry windows 11/12
(i have no other option, every other system is a dumpster fire)

[zenith pecan]

Oh hell, that'll eat the ram on its own.

[fathom shuttle]

Get 32

[slim laurel]

If it's ddr4 get 32

[fathom shuttle]

What’s your gpu

[main spire]

i cant upgrade my pc RIGHT now so now aint the best time to plan for upgrades, im gonna go back to working on my resource-specialized foundries (building the copper foundry atm) so im not gonna text for a bit

cya

[fathom shuttle]

Just lower settings

[pseudo holly]

whats your guys’ preferred way to kill big spiders?

[fathom shuttle]

Guns

[slim laurel]

Rebar gun

[primal haven]

scatter rebar

[pseudo holly]

i have access to everything except nukes

[last jungle]

play ariana grande song, they become friendly frfr

[zenith pecan]

One approach though is to try and debloat the windows, but please please exercise caution, if you fuck it up, you'll be reinstalling windows, but it'll cull the memory footprint when some of the less useful features are cleaned off.

[idle storm]

cluster bombs

[cyan garnet]

Stun rebar and basher in early game, jetpack and explosive rebar late game

[tropic plover]

As you build and grow, how often do you basically deconstruct your whole layout and rebuild before settling on something more permanent?
I have done this once so far.
Laid a whole bunch of foundation and rebuilt but now I need to go bigger again

[fathom shuttle]

I would start a second factory instead of starting over

[pseudo holly]

ive been using turbo rifle and just strafing in the air with turbofuel but i want something thats less intensive

[cyan garnet]

I leave existing builds alone and go build new elsewhere. The map is huge, go explore

[mortal ginkgo]

stun rebar after they finishing jump as they got a delay after landing.

or put a bomb beneath you before jumping

[fathom shuttle]

Biofuel is good I’ve heard

[primal haven]

there was one really bad spot in the swamps where I think I somehow aggroed two full nests of 5 giant spiders each, so I built a spider hunting blind in the blueprint builder

just set it down and climb in a tiny hole and shoot out the windows

[pseudo holly]

yeah i found that lol

was very fun

[primal haven]

yeah normally the jetpack works fine but they were landing on me constantly

[last jungle]

bro my entire power grid just shut down cuz i accidentally disconnected the cable that connected my base to my coal gens 😭😭

all it took was one cable

[fathom shuttle]

You can restart it just fine lol

[last jungle]

yea but it was still funny

[visual elm]

where is the liscenced music in this game? what does streamer mode actually mute?

[reef basin]

nothing

[pseudo holly]

i think ill try explosive rebar + stun rebar

[primal haven]

you could probably just bomb them but i havent tried that much

[pseudo holly]

explosive because theyre hard af to hit and stun to make them stop attacking, theyre easily the hardest enemy

[primal haven]

i havent tried the explosive rebar yet but the shatter rebar seems to only take 4 or 5 shots

[pseudo holly]

i tried bombs in my last playthrough (clusters too) and it just felt too clunky and not enough damage

[lost wagon]

A soon I can make compact builds I usually deconstruct the abomination I have going on and build some tiled things, then later I just leave it there generating resources and go build somewhere flat

[primal haven]

once everything is on foundations i dont remove anything

[zenith pecan]

You can blow yourself up with careless bombing, my approach has been to drop multiple devices in a spot, aggro what I want dead (or kite it near if already aggrod) and blast them that way.

[primal haven]

thats a good idea, ive sort of done this with big groups of small spiders

[fathom shuttle]

The thing is, unless you’re fully utilizing every node on the map it doesn’t make sense to rebuild and redesign a factory

[lost wagon]

What if I like that place because my hub is on a pond

[primal haven]

maybe if you have a spot you really like, and you need to remove the stuff from it

theres so many cool spots for factories though

[fathom shuttle]

The map is big

[lost wagon]

Build the factories on site and then ship what you need somewhere

[shy mulch]

Is it just me, or are jump pads and those landing pad things utterly pointless? If I need to go up higher than I can jump or jetpack I'll just build ramps or a ladder

[fathom shuttle]

They are useful for going up a factory floor

[zenith pecan]

Just a fun addition for parkour I suppose, I don't use them myself.

[zenith pecan]

I just use stairs or a ramp 😛

[primal haven]

they are useful for a very small amount of time

[fathom shuttle]

Stairs too long tbh

[primal haven]

also if you just like them they are really cool

[shy mulch]

You build multi floor factories without stairs?

[lost wagon]

At least this game have infinite resources, can just have things permanently generating stuff somewhere

[zenith pecan]

Or a tube, done that on occasion.

[fathom shuttle]

I use stairs too but jumping pads are faster

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I suppose you would use tubes if your factory is like 100m tall

[zenith pecan]

There are elevators now, a bit limited but they do only penetrate a single 8x8 foundation, as opposed to the slightly larger footprint of a stair well.

[zenith pecan]

or 600+ metres like my power station 😱

[shy mulch]

I generally have hypertube cannons dotted all over the place, I jump in the nearest one and with jetpack I can land on whatever floor of whatever factory I need

[frozen ingot]

yeah me too, i just can't resist, it's so fun lol

and you can make a blueprint for it and set it on a foundation that's rotated to within 5° of the direction you need so, y'know

wheeeeee

[shy mulch]

you can navigate with WASD while in the air

so any direction is fine

[primal haven]

yeah if you hold left or right you can fly across pretty much anywhere

I had one pointing north but id use it to go east a lot

[frozen ingot]

yeah i know

air control with jetpack is surprisingly high. But it's even more fun to line it up perfectly so it just flings you across the map and you barely have to course correct at all 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

landing pads allow you to not die if you got a hypertube going down and ending vertically against the floor.

jumppads can be used by trucks etc. so it can not only prevent possible deadlocks, but also look funky.

they got their niche uses but needing power to operate is meh tbh.

[frozen ingot]

power is relatively trivial though in this game

but yeah, if any building shouldn't need power it could perhaps be the U-Jelly landing pad 😛

but who knows how that thing works! maybe it's the power that makes the jelly soft and cushioning

[mortal ginkgo]

constantly needing to link each to a pole is not trivial if you want to use them for construction.

[frozen ingot]

alien jelly

[pseudo holly]

is there a hypertube cannon building guide anywhere

[shy mulch]

I enjoy building power things, end up with masses more power than I need, so it's never an issue for me

[shy mulch]

google hypertube cannon there's loads of explanations on youtube

[white dawn]

Wiki page for hypertubes has an easy layout, I think

[pseudo holly]

i do a bit of stuff at my crude oil processing plant like a third of the map from my base and its like 2 and a half minutes in hypertubes each trip

[sharp sentinel]

I have now built a single factory that just makes screws. It pleases me.

[shy mulch]

I think I'm just power hungry 😄

5790 MW at phase 0

maybe too much

might make more 😄

[wanton veldt]

biomass burners?

[primal haven]

phase 0?

is that just building plates and rods?

[shy mulch]

modular frames, smart plating, screws, copper pipes, wire, cable, concrete, ai limiter, black powder, quickwire
also got nobelisk and rifle ammo set up but they need manually fed unfortunately due to phase 0 limitations

[shy mulch]

900 MW with biomass but not really used, that's just as a backup, mostly from geothermal and alient power augmenter

[empty path]

geothermal and alien power aug at phase 0 ? lol

[shy mulch]

yep, it's possible

[wanton veldt]

That sounds about right to me... though geothermal is very expensive. Did you cheat the materials in?

[empty path]

you know phase 0 is onboarding right?

[shy mulch]

yes, I haven't even built space elavator 😄

[shy mulch]

0 cheating, 0 mods

just lots of patience

hardest thing to get is steel pipes, they have really been my bottleneck, I get them from lizard doggos

[minor vale]

You can find the materials you'd need at crash sites.
Takes a lot of exploring

[shy mulch]

lots and lots haha

[minor vale]

But like
There's Crash sites with computers, circuit boards, I've even found some with heat sinks and control rods

[shy mulch]

Get plenty of those from the doggos, it's really only the steel pipes I always seem to be short on

I think I've collected most of the steel that's available, so it's just a patience game now as the doggos slowly feed me

need loads to unlock the dimentional depot upgrades

[shadow torrent]

Is there a way to remove the category "Undefined" in the blueprints tab? I can add new categories and remove them and and add subcategories to those or even to the category "Undefined" and then remove those again, but i cannot remove the subcategory "Undefined" from the category "Undefined" and thus i cannot remove the category "Undefined" either ...
Edit: The subcategory appears to be empty.

[tropic plover]

What do you mean the doggos feed you?
I pet them all the time when I can but thought it was just a random thing added in game

[wanton veldt]

for the motors, right

[shy mulch]

When you have a doggo tamed, you can pet it and it sometimes gives you an item

[shy mulch]

doggos give motors too, I use the pipes to make SAM fluctuators

[tropic plover]

How do you tame them?
Just keep petting them or do you have to do something else?

[shy mulch]

There's guides around, but you have to feed it a paleberry

[wanton veldt]

oh, the Alien Augmentors need those, right

[shy mulch]

yeah but not much, was 100 to research and 50 to build, but need 30 steel pipes per dimentional depot which is a pest when you're trying to make loads

[shy mulch]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Lizard_Doggo

[wanton veldt]

Sounds like a fun challenge!

[latent prawn]

and the dimensional depots. handcrafting them for that isn't bad but can be a drag

[minor vale]

Walk up to one.
Drop berry on the ground.
Let it eat it
And then you have new friend

[shy mulch]

I just wanted to see how far I could get while staying at phase 0. I think there's about 8 researches in the MAM that are not possible at all without progressing my phase or cheating, but I can get most of them. Just very slow going lol

[sharp sentinel]

I have successfully broke myself of demanding all my conveyors snap with straight. Which is good, it makes some really dumb angles sometimes.

[shy mulch]

straight conveyers are best 😄

[wanton veldt]

I'm a fan of the Curved option from version 1.1 in specific situations

[minor vale]

I don't think I'll end up using curved often. Mostly because I have a very specific system for keeping my belts in order between production lines and areas thay keeps them very straight.

[shy mulch]

I'm in both camps. I have a system that uses all straight belts, and it works well, but I'm keen to play around with other options to make my stuff look more interesting in the future

[wanton veldt]

I mainly use it when I when connecting things in one-off situations, like when testing a new blueprint or doing a temp setup for something

[minor vale]

I have screenshots of the way I do it somewhere in the server here however the search function on mobile discord is awful and won't let me search things from even a year ago

[zenith pecan]

I thought it was just me being unable to search properly on the mobile discord, I really hate doing most things on my phone.

[minor vale]

Yea no, mobile discord just literally has a worse less functional search system than pc

[untold ember]

omg. vertical nudging is like a cheat code. so many things it lets you clip them together from vertical but wouldnt let you from horizontal

[keen dagger]

Can I rename the floors of the elevator?

Figured it out. Yes I can

[wanton veldt]

not everything works with it though, just as a heads-up... basic pipe supports, for example

[untold ember]

hey, ill take the wins when they come. clipping angle walls into windows is super awesome now

[keen dagger]

Damn you can't copy and paste elevator settings

[fast tendon]

Having played every starting biome I think Northern Forest is my least favorite

[shy mulch]

Why least favourite?

[tropic plover]

How do you unlock the other biomes?
Do you have to finish the game in each one to unlock the next?

[reef basin]

there is only one map with all biomes

[tropic plover]

So can you link your different biomes into one MEGA build?
Or are they DLC content?

[reef basin]

you can, though your PC would probably die

[tropic plover]

So then I assume you need to build to the edge of a biome, then save and exit and then the one you built up to will unlock?

[reef basin]

what

[oblique aspen]

all you pick is the starting position

you can just walk over to the others

[minor vale]

The game has no dlc.
Everh thing is 1 map.
Choosing your starting zone at the start just changes your initial spawn point
There is nothing stopping you from walking any where you want, and building whatever at any stage of the game

[lime ermine]

It's open world

[tropic plover]

On the main menu there are 4 options to choose from. Only the first is available, it says the others arenot available....so thats why I ask how do I unlock them to be chosen from the start menu?

[shy mulch]

You don't "unlock" anything. Every part of the map is available from the start. The 4 choices of biome at the start are just starting locations

[steady dome]

You pick Where you start. But it's one big map

[minor vale]

There is nothing to unlock.
That's just choosing where you first spawn.

[shy mulch]

Can you share a screenshot? Feels like a misunderstanding

[minor vale]

You can easily walk from each of the 4 spawn areas

[tropic plover]

I will, starting the game now

[fast tendon]

It's the most annoying lay out to me

[shy mulch]

Well, not sure if "easily" is the right word 😛 especially for someone new to the game

[fast tendon]

It's lots of cliffs and hills, even dunes is more flat

[shy mulch]

fair enough

sounds like a challenge 😛

[steady dome]

!wikisearch world

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=world

[steady dome]

There's only one map. Your choice consist only of where on the single map you want to start

[fast tendon]

yee

Swamp start when

[minor vale]

There's a few enemies in the way but starting from the plains.
It's a very open pathway/road north to the Rocky desert using the west coastline
Go east and you can stay south to hit the north forest, or take a more north route and reach the sand desert.
Takes a while by foot but there's clear pathways betweenthem.

[fast tendon]

Dune has the nodes a little more scattered than Forest but it's more flat so I didn't find it as annoying

[shy mulch]

There's no way a first time player is going to be able to figure that out and go exact pathing all that way without coming face to face with enemies

[tropic plover]

Tagged you in the screenshot channel

[shy mulch]

saw it, what happens when you click on the other ones?

[lime ermine]

They're only grey because they're not selected, just click on them

[minor vale]

please man. For the third time. That is 4 starting spawn locations on the same 1 map

[tropic plover]

Nothing.
Says this map is currently not available

[wheat reef]

Do I need to produce copper sheets outside of production?

[shy mulch]

can you get a screenshot of it showing that?

[lime ermine]

You'll need them to build pipes

[wheat reef]

Oh sure

[wicked estuary]

Guys do I need to use signals to force right handed drive?

[wheat reef]

a week of no satisfactory and i forget everything

[wicked estuary]

My train just goes on the left lane

[minor vale]

You should not have to unlock the others.
Just click on them

[lime ermine]

Your train will always take the shortest path in length to it's next destination

[minor vale]

They're Grey because they aren't selected.

[minor vale]

Signals or setup your rails such that your train cannot get turned around if it tries

[wicked estuary]

How do I prevent it? I don't want to make loops, but single rail stations where the trains goes backwards after unloading

[shy mulch]

Then put an engine at both ends of the train

[steady dome]

And signals to force them onto one side of the track

[wicked estuary]

Ok so it is possible with signals?

[steady dome]

Of course. Trains obey signals

[minor vale]

Proper signals fix 90% of train problems

The other 10% is usually having train tracks cross one another that do not connect to one another. (Signals don't usually fix that)

[wicked estuary]

Ok I'll try that. Just wanted to make sure if it's even possible in this game before I waste my time, since satisfactory trains system is jank compared to factorio.

[steady dome]

It's perfectly fine

The key thing to remember is that trains calculate their path once (When they leave the station) and always follow the shortest possible route (Physically shortest, not time wise shortest - An by extent congestion can cause issues if you don't handle it properly)

[leaden bone]

Ty I got no idea though lol

[wicked estuary]

posted a pic in screenshots

maybe ull get a better idea of what im talking about

i dont want the train to even consider going on the left rail when leaving the station

[sharp sentinel]

Kept wondering why my 3x3 modular factory was stalled at the last level. Turns out I never set one of the smelters to make anything.

[minor vale]

Yea you just need to use signals to block the left path then

Should also signal that intersection while you're at it to prevent coissions in the future

[sharp sentinel]

It's so nice to take my time for once. When 1.0 dropped I rushed to phase 4 to see stuff, but I'm at like 10 hours and only on phase 2 this time because I'm just trying to do new tricks.

[steady dome]

Yes just signals will do

[wicked estuary]

How do I "block" a path? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I just never built reverse trains even once in factorio xd

If I put the signals down correctly for the intersection, it should work by itself, or is there smth extra I gotta do?

[minor vale]

The back side of a path signal prevents the train from using said path.
(You need to double up signals both ways for a signaled 2 way track section)

[trim vine]

#1370565264780955718

[minor vale]

Do note that you will need to put signals along your entire railway to make them start working.
Just add path signals every train lenght or so

[steady dome]

Don't add path signals the entire track length. That's a suggestion that implies now knowing the difference between the signals

Paths are for the entrance to an intesection (Where your trains can cross eachother, change paths etc.) blocks are for everything else

[minor vale]

A path signal doesn't work unless it eventually leads back into another path signal.
And it will reserve the entire lenght of track until the next signal it reaches
So when you start using them. You'll need to keep using them

[steady dome]

I think you'll find you are confusing them now. A path signal will not work untill it leads back into another block signal

[reef basin]

you shouldn't put signals on 2 way sections at all (unless it's only serviced by one train)

[wicked estuary]

Oh ok that makes a lot of sense, I think I can figure it out from here.

[silk ivy]

guys is there a way to split 30 into 18 and 12? i only have access to smart splitters and normal splitters

[steady dome]

@wicked estuary https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Train_Signals

[uncut verge]

it will eventually balance itself with a normal splitter

[reef basin]

one splitter will do the job just fine

[silk ivy]

the machine's gonna get filled up eventually right there's no way around that?

[steady dome]

There is of course a way around it, but it's easier to just let one fill

[wicked estuary]

Isn't rule of thumb: use path signals for sections that don't fit a whole train, otherwise you can place a stop signal?

[reef basin]

there is, you can make elaborate combinations of splitters and mergers to split in correct ratio... but it's not really reasonable (imo) to do so, you can just wait for the machine to fill and it will work

[steady dome]

You can balance it, but it's almost always a worse solution

[minor vale]

Have you tried a manifold?

[uncut verge]

one will fill and the other one will be just fine, u should see a video of how manifolds work and maybe that can help u 🙂

[reef basin]

in general, most of the production lines in Satisfactory are either manifolds (the "overflow" method described above), or direct input (from machine to machine). There's a small subset of people who do load balancing, but it's usually extra effor for little to no gain

[minor vale]

Maybe I just don't understand what the stop signal does, because I setup my last train network without stop signals.

[cyan garnet]

Block signals split up your rail network into separate blocks (that are color coded while building). Only one train can be in a block at a time. That’s really all there is to it

The direction the signal is placed forces directionality

[steady dome]

For both types ^

[cyan garnet]

You can just walk to the other biomes

[silk ivy]

wait but if the machine needs 18/m and im giving it 15 isnt it gonna keep shutting down

[steady dome]

Untill the one that only needs 12 is full, yes

[wicked estuary]

Yeah, and path signal checks if the next block has a train on it, so you can kinda look at it as a stop signal that skips a section

[silk ivy]

the 12 is gonna be for own use so i'm just gonna send it into a container

[minor vale]

That would have saved me a lot of time if I knew that back then.
But
Probably still not going to use them a lot

[cyan garnet]

Use a smart splitter to overflow to the container then. It will only send what doesn’t get used by the machine using 15

[steady dome]

Then I'd suggest not merging them onto one belt in the first place 😉

[cyan garnet]

If you are only running one train on a rail, you don’t need signals at all

[silk ivy]

the machine won't get enough if i do that since im producing 15 15

[shy mulch]

smart splitter smart splitter smart splitter

[silk ivy]

i'm still not quite sure how smart splitters work i just unlocked them, do i set it to overflow to the container and any to the machine?

[shy mulch]

yes

[cyan garnet]

Yep, that’s it

[steady dome]

Then either do overflow, or split the 15 into two and merge one to the other line to the 18 machine

[minor vale]

On my old world I have rails running from the dune desert to the grasslands.
And 1 long section of that I had 2 trains running the same route delivering silica to my aluminum production.
To fix the patting issues i just had a path signal every like 20-30 foundations

[cyan garnet]

Was that rail bi-directional?

[silk ivy]

alright ty all

[minor vale]

All 1 way rail. I had 2 running side by side

[cyan garnet]

Should have been real simple to signal then

[minor vale]

It wouldve been faster to signal if I knew what the block did.
But instead it's just filled with path signals

[cyan garnet]

I’m honestly surprised that worked tbh

[lunar lance]

Can anyone explain to me how the trains work,I have been having a lot of trouble making a railway to connect my factory’s

[minor vale]

Though given the two silica trains began to go out of sync despite being on the same route, perhaps it's best I didn't use block signals for that section.

[steady dome]

With only two trains you could just putn a block before they merged into 1 either end and be done with it

In fact that should work with path as well, but alas

Or do they still block paths ending at stations

[minor vale]

I mean nothing about it is inherently wrong.
Every path signal is reserving the track section infront of it for the train going through it.
So there's no risk of collision which was my main concern

[steady dome]

NEed a bit more explanation than that. What's exactly are you doing and what issues are you having? Potentially with images in a thread in #1038092680493801533

[tropic plover]

Is it a ratio of 1:1 water extractor to coal power plant?

[viral tendon]

What's better to use for moving around? Train or hypertybe?

Like not that big distances

[fading whale]

Tubes can be faster (accelerators).

[viral tendon]

I just unlocked trains

I have no idea what are accelerators

[steady dome]

!wikisearch coal-powered generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal-powered

[fading whale]

Like a hypertube cannon (look it up)

[steady dome]

shit I forgot to add the + 😦

[viral tendon]

Yeah i undertsand what's an accelerator

[steady dome]

!wikisearch coal-powered+generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal-powered+generator

[viral tendon]

I'm asking what's faster to move around medium distances like 1km or 2km

Do i build a train road or keep using hypertubes

[shy mulch]

hypertube cannon

[viral tendon]

Can you like read more than 1 message liek

It's 10 messages above

[fading whale]

@viral tendon An accelerated hypertube is faster 🙂
Accelerated means you build the entrance to your tubve like would build a hypertube cannon.

[tropic plover]

Thanks

[shy mulch]

You asked a question and it was answered. You gave a followup question that could easily be found on google or the wiki. What more do you want 😦

[lusty pollen]

Phase 2 seems like a gigantic jump, im sure theres a lesson to learn on how to make it not ass but whats said lesson ? i always gave up seeing those 1000 vers framework and all

[viral tendon]

The person responded to me with hypertube cannon like 10 messages above

And 11 messages above i said i have no idea what that is

[fading whale]

@viral tendon Hytpertube cannons are better explained on youtube than we can do it here.

[viral tendon]

Ok

[steady dome]

Oh it's not gigantic at all. Just you wait 😛

The lesson to be learned there is mooostly about working with fluids

[shy mulch]

I find being cheeky to people who answer questions is a good way to get more detailed help

[lusty pollen]

oh huh
it does really look like those things that you're always forgetting something very important

[cyan garnet]

Multiple hypertube entrances in a row will accelerate you greatly, this is the basic premise of a “cannon”

[steady dome]

It does try to teach you something important every major milestone, yea. The first one is the basics of building; The 2nd is working with fluids; The 3rd is working with byproducts while adding complexity; 4th is working with very complex stuff and a short introduction to variable power; 5th is variable power galore 😛

[cyan garnet]

If you already have hypertubes laid out, adding multiple entrances like a cannon will accelerate you

[steady dome]

Every step along the way adds complexity of course

[lusty pollen]

guess whenever the game works again ill try to see if i have any reasonable way of moving items far

[cyan garnet]

IMHO the biggest complexity and challenge jump comes in phase 4. The final, phase 5, feels like a victory lap in comparison

[steady dome]

I'd say. Don't get too overwhelmed. Take it one step at a time and make sure you automate the things you can. Odds are you will need them later one way or another

Oh and I guess most importantly

Don't automate more than you need here and now

It's a quick way to burn out 😉

[lusty pollen]

ill prob start a desert save

easier early imo

[wicked estuary]

@steady dome can u check screens again, is there a way to divide it into more sections so that trains that wont cross, dont stop for each other on the junction?

[steady dome]

No need to start over honestly. You can keep the save you have and just walk there

[lusty pollen]

you overestimate my lazy

[wicked estuary]

the way I do it in factorio doesnt work here

[cyan garnet]

Make a thread in #1038092680493801533 rather than one off screenshots we can’t reply to

[steady dome]

So I guess first things first; Remove the ones between light blue and purple. Trains can get stuck either side of them.

Secondly; Trains will only stop for eachother if another is already occupying the block, so if a train is waiting in yellow to enter the station, others will not be able to pass through (When using blocks alone)

[wicked estuary]

yeah I can fix that, I'm more asking if tjeres a way to divide yellow into even more separate sections. It seems to me that the game doesnt recognise different rails as a single section, like factorio does

[cyan garnet]

Connect both sides of the station to your rail network so that the exit of the station goes back to the network

[steady dome]

I wouldn't recommend dividing yellow more

[steady dome]

They don't want that specifically 😉

[cyan garnet]

Ok, I guess?

Weird choice

[steady dome]

What you can do, is change the entrance signals to paths rather than blocks. That will allow multiple trains in yellow assuming they aren't going to cross paths

[shadow torrent]

All the pain and misery ...

[wicked estuary]

yeah I didn't want that, I like how it looks this way. I'll do full 1-way trains later in the game, but for this stage 2 way is nice and compact

[steady dome]

Using paths will allow multiple trains in the same block if they aren't going to cross paths (See here for example from the wiki) #screenshots message

[wicked estuary]

oooh, ok, I assumed any train in yellow section = occupied, but if the game figures it out by itself, than ok

[steady dome]

For block signals, that is the case

But using paths (For entrance to yellow block ONLY) it will figure out paths by itself and allow multiple

[open pollen]

On SCIM or Satisfactory Tools, is there a way to calculate how much of an output you can make from a base resource? (Like determining if you get X amount of iron from your mines how many reinforced iron plates you can make?)

[steady dome]

That the benefit path signals have; effectively a train signals ahead telling the game it wants to reserve a path between a path signal (entry) and a block signal (Exit) of the yellow block, and if no other train has reserved anything that blocks that path, it will be let through - Even if there is already another train inside the block on another path

[wicked estuary]

Ok this explains everything thx