satisfactory

[trim vine]

(._. )

[spark plank]

currently travelling to the plant to check what sgoing on

[hard ivy]

That's called 53 gigawatts

[timid rune]

yep: barely any fps left! #screenshots message

[ionic kite]

Oh, well aware

[swift kernel]

I do wonder why you didn't just start in the Green Plains biome

[spark plank]

so about 50 gw short for endgame?

[trim vine]

Fan of the movie Tron then, eh?

[wide cedar]

The desert seemed like it would have more open space to build on and less hills to climb up and down

[ionic kite]

Sure your framerate is suffering but it's still damn awesome

[spark plank]

uh i uh

[ionic kite]

I'm yet to break out of the brutalist CONCRETE EVERYTHING mindset

[trim vine]

what phase are you in again

[spark plank]

how do you switch tools? i kinda forgored

[wide cedar]

4

[swift kernel]

You would have a lot easier access to some of these resources though

[ionic kite]

Scroll wheel

[trim vine]

FUNCTION OVER FORM

[spark plank]

ty

[timid rune]

Inspired by Solution 9 in FFXIV actually

[ionic kite]

More like "I don't want to see anything so I'm just gonna cover it all up with smooth, delicious concrete"

[trim vine]

phase 4 and hand mining quartz, eh?

[ionic kite]

Concrete boxes everywhere

[spark plank]

i swear to god i should be making more than 23k

[ionic kite]

Maybe a slope or two if I'm feeling fancy

[timid rune]

the train in the screenie is just a temporary work train

[ionic kite]

Maybe even a window (gasp)

[timid rune]

that ferried all the quartz crystals I needed

[wide cedar]

This is very annoying and painful and I steal stuff from belts to do other stuff

[ionic kite]

Why not just go ham with a bunch of dimensional depots?

[wide cedar]

also

[timid rune]

I needed 100k+ lol

dimensional depots ain't gonna cut it

[swift kernel]

Would you consider starting over? Because I'm afraid the complexity might make it harder for you to understand how to build sustainably, and now you have some experience to go off of when starting over

[wide cedar]

I’m missing materials for an equipment workshop ;-;

[ionic kite]

Sounds like a production throughput issue.
Just scale up everything

Always make more than you need, and make sure you have a couple dimensional depots on regular-use parts
(I have mine on plates, reinforced plates, rods, modular frames, wire, cable, sheets, quickwire, quartz crystals, silica, motors and a few other things)

[swift kernel]

I think you'd be happier starting over imo. Especially if you started in the plains. And you might understand the tutorials a bit easier the second time around

[wide cedar]

buttt! I did get 307 raw quartz!

[spark plank]

oh i had another 93 GW i havent hooked up for some god forsaken reason

[ionic kite]

If you tap "E" when mining your character will just keep mining. You can alt+tab and they'll still be going

[timid rune]

but yeah taking time through the tutorial is always a good choice

[ionic kite]

GW or MW?

[spark plank]

gw

[ionic kite]

Nice

[wide cedar]

nyuhuh I don’t wanna do all this again and also sunk cost fallacy

[ionic kite]

Yeah you should be good for power

[timid rune]

that is a big oops haha

[spark plank]

now im making a casual 233 Gw
i should be fine for endgame now right?

[swift kernel]

The game builds complexly on itself. Not establishing a strong early game is going to make moving forward hard

[spark plank]

#screenshots

[timid rune]

hopefully by this weekend I should have about 630 GW of nuclear running around

[ionic kite]

I thought the same, but I really do have no regrets restarting. If nothing else, you can carry momentum from a better start

[trim vine]

[latent prawn]

simply opening your inventory gets the mining action 'stuck' as well

[ionic kite]

It's 2:13am... I should really go to sleep

Gn folks, and it was nice meeting you all

[swift kernel]

Okay. Then let's focus on getting you plenty of coal power and then establishing basic production lines for Iron, Copper, and Concrete.

Before moving on to steel

[wide cedar]

Are those dogs you guys were talking about like these little orange creatures that move packs?

[trim vine]

Are you playing the same save file you've been playing since ~12/2024?

[swift kernel]

They don't usually move around in packs. Very rare. But yes, they are small orange shrimp like creatures

[kindred flame]

well satisfactory is a game that it really helps to plan ahead not to mention streamline your systems - why I tend to build the same way now in levels like first level is smelters - splitters in and it feeds back to the end for the next level up - that way increase miners or belts you update belts add a a few to the end and your done

[swift kernel]

That's definitely the easiest way to play

[spark plank]

OH WAIT NOW I REMEMBER WHY I QUIT
i was trying to turn teh turbofuel powerplant into a rocketfuel one in order to produce 600GW instead of 200

[trim vine]

BLENDERS!

[spark plank]

my beloathed and my beloved

[swift kernel]

I wish I could just show you my factory Johnny, so you can get a sense of scale and production lines

[spark plank]

OH RIGHT MY POWER PLANT IS ALSO MAKING RESIDUAL CANISTERS

oh god feels like im walking down memory lane

[kindred flame]

lol power I usually just go big with coal and then big again when I get to oil - to the point I usually don't need to go nuclear 😄

[swift kernel]

@wide cedar , do you think that's be helpful or not something you'd want

[spark plank]

oh man the pipe spaghetti

[timid rune]

Once I get my nuclear up and running I am rejigging my aluminum factory methinks

[spark plank]

oh
power generation isnt a perfect straight line
i hate that

i uh
how did you remove buildings again?

[trim vine]

F

[wide cedar]

okay sorry I’m back after running all the way back

[spark plank]

ty

[swift kernel]

Early game, crazy power generation line. Mid game, single steady power generation line. Late game, crazy power generation line

[wide cedar]

:peek: gimme

[swift kernel]

You've activated my mentor mode

Alright. Give me a second, I'll get ready

[spark plank]

ok yeahh i think i rember now
current mega plant is producing 92gw out of 100
my old one is making 25gw
and i have 10 apas doubling stuff
something something about main power generator being slightly less than perfectly efficient

and then i quit
its all slowly coming back together

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

[wide cedar]

bus??

[trim vine]

Here is a belt highway, or a bus

[swift kernel]

I'll do a screen share voice tour

[trim vine]

This was an early game thing I did, I do not like it and need to tear it down, but other projects and all 😛

[spark plank]

well
180GW should be enough for lategame right?

[wide cedar]

EARLY???

EUHHHH 😭

[trim vine]

relatively

[spark plank]

a bit less than im making now after i disable the midgame powerganerator to turn it into plastic and stuff

[reef basin]

not a bus

just stacked belts

[trim vine]

As Astral will show you, this game scales to potentially ridiculous amounts

[timid rune]

dumb question: can drones handle 300 uranium/min easy?

[trim vine]

Setting solid foundations and good building practices help a ton

[trim vine]

whast the distance, short answer is no, you might want 2-4 drone ports depending

[wide cedar]

Is there a way to make spiders not spawn?

[timid rune]

since it will be all the way to the SW corner so I'd guess no

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

[trim vine]

I would OVERbuild the drone ports, and see what the transfer rate is

Start with 3 or 4, and see how that goes for throughput

[timid rune]

at this rate I might send trains instead lol

since I do have a crazy enough network of trains

[trim vine]

cant stop the spawns, but you can turn them into cats

However, I somehow find those more terrifying

[trim vine]

MOAR TRAINS

[trim vine]

Drones would work perfectly fine though, assuming you have a central fuel dispensary

[jovial oracle]

Anyone have a modular engine and adaptive control unit factory that they would like to share? I could use some ideas.

[kindred flame]

reminds me of my old cat when she wanted food actually 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

dangerous animals do not spawn around a certain range of buildings that are powered up

[silk rose]

oh finally i know that thank you, i thought that applies to any building and was surprised foundations wont work

[leaden turret]

someone asked last week about having the bean get the same treatment

[mortal ginkgo]

but aren't beans connected to the factories that we make and having them around increases efficiency?! D:

[leaden turret]

[mortal ginkgo]

MY BROTHER

[wanton blaze]

Beans are used as bounce pads

[plain marten]

which one is harder? old phase 4 vs phase 5

[green fiber]

I like phase 5 because funny new stuff

[tribal elk]

anyone else get better fps when they put all their factories inside walls?

and especially conveyors

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean.. thats expected. Less things to render = Less GPU and CPU usage = More performance

[leaden turret]

rocket jump off a bean, problem solved

[latent prawn]

i think the volume requirements on the old phase 4 were much tougher

[plain marten]

but you could just wait

[tribal elk]

yes, but i would have to wonder how the occlusion handling for so many complex and animated parts isnt a line of sight calculation nightmare

[latent prawn]

yeah, the phase 5 parts really aren't that much work to make

[old yarrow]

To the people who are crazy enough to do ficsonium, which trigon recipe do you use? either way i need a minimum of 8300 Sam/min and use the remaining of the aluminum in the world, or use 17200 sam and use 25600 iron help pls

[latent prawn]

really PCC's, supercomputers and turbomotors are the tough things, phase 5 is just belt those into machines and deal with dark matter

i'm trivializing it a bit, but there's not a lot of factories-feeding-other-factories that you have to recursively build in phase 5

[plain marten]

what is pcc

[lime ermine]

The main problem in phase 5 is power

[lime ermine]

Pressure conversion cube

[latent prawn]

the granddaddy of cubes

[plain marten]

oh so the hard part for me is already over

it seems

[latent prawn]

what is a problem in phase 5 is if you're going for some sort of elevator part continuous production goal, wrangling up map resources, specifically sam, copper & coal ends up being a lot of building

and ficsonium nuclear is the same way

[forest osprey]

when building do you really lean into blueprints?

[plain marten]

you can just sink plutonium stuff so never have to deal with ficsonium right

[latent prawn]

yeah, you don't even really need to touch nuclear if you're just trying to get to see the ending

[plain marten]

i will have to build a nuclear power plant thuogh i dont think 15 gw is enough

[old yarrow]

yea but the plutonium part produces like most of the power

[latent prawn]

really rocket fuel is enough power to do anything if your phase 5 is a bunch of box factories

[old yarrow]

I have like 400gw of excess power but i just want to make a nuclear powerplant for the sake of it

[latent prawn]

i'm sitting around 120gw and very soon i'll need some more power

[old yarrow]

theres not enough sam in this world

[clever pier]

in what way is it restricting you?

[latent prawn]

the problem of maxing ficsonium nuclear is a bonus problem in the game that is very difficult to plan out. it is quite possible to do with the resources available, however

[median frigate]

when do you guys draw the line in terms of leaving your starter base behind and starting your megabase, do you wait until after all space elevator stages are done?

considering if its worth it to finish the last phase

[latent prawn]

i never stopped using my starter base

[west jackal]

how long is cloud syncing supposed to take? its been going for a couple minutes already

[median frigate]

well sure, but when do you start layin down your REAL storage area and final factories

[west jackal]

never 😎

[median frigate]

i couldnt tell ya, dev's scammed me into buying on epic years ago

[west jackal]

my longest save was only 700h though, it never had any "real storage" i had one small hub for drones and that was about it

[west jackal]

yes mine is on epic

[median frigate]

D:

oh yeah the epic launcher is rough, i had to turn off cloud saves

sorry you're in the same situation

[west jackal]

shoot i should do that

[median frigate]

i wish the dev's gave us steam keys, we tried a pettition a long time ago.

[median frigate]

hope that helps!

[west jackal]

yeah id much rather it on steam

[median frigate]

i've got respect for the devs as people obv, and i'm proud of how far the game has come in a few ways, but man, i definitely lost hope for alot of shit like that 3 roadmaps ago

[west jackal]

i love this game, its my abs fave sandbox games, i just wish it was easier to play with other people bc i get lonely

[median frigate]

i'd be happy to have you join me but i play at weird times and i can be difficult to work with lol

i agree that the multiplayer is.. bad

[west jackal]

im the same way which is why it never works out

[median frigate]

also the performance of the engine has been on a steady decline over the years, which means alot of my friends don't want to play the game

[west jackal]

and its not like minecraft where you can all work independently, its too progression based to wait weeks for someone to finish a build 😦

[median frigate]

yeahhhh

i just feel bad for people without a top of the line gpu

[rugged trail]

the moment all the recipes unlock is that point for me

[west jackal]

i mean im playing on a laptop 3050ti and its perfectly fine

i have a desktop with 4080super but i always end up on the laptop

[median frigate]

i play the game fine enough with my RX 7800XT, but even with 16gb of vram on a new card i have to play on medium settings and upscaling from 1080p with grame generation running in a seperate app, because satis's upscaling and frame gen is BAD but using those features are required

[rugged trail]

honestly the lack of dedicated pub servers is really disheartening

[median frigate]

i bought a laptop in highschool, it used to run satis at 90+ fps. was a 1660 super mobile in there. now it barely boots. (the game, the laptop can run elden ring)

[median frigate]

fuck man could you imagine

[west jackal]

see i bought mine in high school but that was like 3y ago

[spark ruin]

that doesnt sound right

[median frigate]

back when i bought that laptop, they were staying in the previous engines, and had no plans in the roadmap for graphics updates/changes, in fact they were looking to improve performance and max world size

[rugged trail]

imagine the amount of hair pulling the 2 minmaxer pioneers will do when coupled with 12 other idiots who cant even make an efficient modular frame line work. id love to see that kinda chaos

[median frigate]

now they've overhauled the whole engine several times through multiple abandoned roadmaps

and the end effect is somehow even worse fps, and even i cant use the global illumination above medium, the lowest level where it applies at all

[broken thorn]

Tbh it runs in anything, I have a shitty 4 core CPU and a Rx 580 and I can run it on 60 fps full ultra settings

It is only 1080p though but still

[median frigate]

do you attempt to use the global illumination setting?
did you cripple your render distance?

[spark ruin]

how much fps are you getting ?

[median frigate]

because i refuse to believe you get even 60 fps without both of those things

[broken thorn]

No, without lumen

[median frigate]

160-190 with frame gen and upscaling, which i consider a bare minimum

[broken thorn]

But the distance is on far

[median frigate]

see, they gutted the entire engine and made the game run worse all to add a setting you arent even able to turn on, sadge

[spark ruin]

ok well
i guess if 190 is your bare minimum..

[median frigate]

well 160 is my minimum

[rugged trail]

the curse of pc master race

[spark ruin]

[spark ruin]

with upscaling though, right ?

cuz thats about how my RX 6600 is doing

[median frigate]

honestly, with that card, and especially if attempting to use the in-game upscaling, that would probably hurt more than help

i use Radeon's non-native upscaling and frame gen, but if you can't i reccomend Lossless Scaling

[spark ruin]

well, only difference i see between FSR AA and FSR 75% res is its a little softer

albeit reflections are bugged with FSR cuz the devs dont care

but i fixxed that and they look just fine

[median frigate]

yeah, this, and it doesnt help performance really at all because the overhead of the in-game engine is massive

same settings in radeon or Lossless give you better fps

[spark ruin]

OR did you ever stop to think that thats becuase you are CPU limited ?

[median frigate]

and more control over the visuals

haahhaaha

i've got an overclocked 9 3900X

[spark ruin]

yeah, CPU bottleneck for sure

[broken thorn]

#off-topic-tech

[spark ruin]

epseciall when upscaling 1080p on a 7800 XT : D

[median frigate]

if i'm "CPU limited" the dev's need to refund me, because when i bought the game they had a 4 core intel listed on their RECCOMENDED specs lmaoooooo

[broken thorn]

Yeah If I'm not mistaken

[swift kernel]

Teaching noobies to not rely on handcrafting. Turns around and starts handcrafting a million screws while I brush my teeth

[spark ruin]

you know....
recomended spec isnt based on hitting 190fps (OR 95 EVEN)
more like 60, chill out dude.
and more cores dont automatically mean the CPU is faster

[broken thorn]

I'm pretty sure my specs are about exactly the recommended ones

[spark ruin]

my spec is like 10-20% below recomended

[broken thorn]

Ah no my spec is about the minimum

[spark ruin]

i can hit 60 at ultra almost everywhere

[spark ruin]

the 580 is a bit above the minimum (espcecially if you have the 8GB one)

[west jackal]

why is caterium electronics locked in the mam tree?

i have the quickwire for it

[broken thorn]

Yeah it is the 8gb one

[rugged trail]

maybe you're missing something else

[west jackal]

okay

[rugged trail]

sometimes you just wanna stare at crafting ui for hours. cant judge others for how they enjoy the game

or maybe thats a good excuse to stop thinking about the nightmare that is your current factory for some time and let the lil brainy cool down

[swift kernel]

Yeah, but I can judge my own hypocrisy. I mean I have a good reason, but doesn't everyone?

[elfin berry]

Don’t be too hard on yourself

[rugged trail]

honestly no. i finished a game with a friend that would literally handcraft phase 5 stuff from scratch if he could. had to drag him kicking and screaming to automate his factory

[twilit remnant]

is it normale for stations to consume around 150 MW each?

[rugged trail]

trainstations consume energy?

[swift kernel]

Of course they do

[rugged trail]

so thats why my consumption has increased even though i have done absolutely nothing but putting down dedicated trains huh

[tidal dove]

does anyone know when satisfactory is going to go on sale again

[swift kernel]

05.32.2032

[twilit remnant]

if we dont count the train consume is it normal for station to use around 150MW?

[swift kernel]

A trainstation by itself consumes 50MW. You can check this in the build menu

[rugged trail]

god damn

[swift kernel]

Freight platforms also cost 50MW each

[merry kettle]

As far as I'm aware this is only while in active use

[tidal dove]

no like actually

[merry kettle]

Truck stations only consume 20 MW, -and- have higher potential throughput, but trucks consume more fuel than trains consume power, so depending on your exact situation one or the other may end up being cheaper. Or you could go pure factory cart, in which case truck stations win.

[swift kernel]

Buddy, they don't tell people until the sale happens. Else they'd eff up their own sales

[rugged trail]

thank god i was getting worried for a sec

[merry kettle]

(The fuel consumption is actually trickier than that; trucks consume less than the maximum power consumption of electric locomotives, but more than the minimum.)

And electric locomotives can carry multiple freight cars, too, the exact number depending on the maximum incline of your track

[median frigate]

thats really cool i didnt know they made that

[median frigate]

'almost' mad me crying tbh

i optimize my settings around the lowest fps, which is why this game is so particularly rough.. high settings arent helpful if you chug when staring at something pretty

[spark ruin]

just the red forest is like that
everything else is 60 1080p native....

[quick sky]

what makes the orange in this game look so good

[latent prawn]

each biome has a different saturation filter

[prisma thicket]

When 1.1 launches, what happens to experimental? Do they just merge until CSS starts working on another patch?

Ok, so if I opt out of experimental at that point I won't need to worry about down-patching or re-installing?

[mortal ginkgo]

nop

[little cobalt]

oh thats fun the new experimental patch crashes the game when i open drone ports

😅

[split prairie]

im just starting to test out how trains work, loading unloading etc. and i managed to load some items on a car but i cant find how to take out the items from it (just like a container) or from the freight platform

[little cobalt]

open the freight platform and switch the load to off

[zenith pecan]

400 doesn't look like a lot, unless you see it! #screenshots message , that definitely took a while.

[split prairie]

cant seem to find a place to open it, everywhere i tried doesnt show the "E" text

[little cobalt]

that is strange. You can't even when you just stand on it?

[trim vine]

Disgusting

Absolutely love it

[split prairie]

i can do on the train station, to set timetable. and the train keeps honking at me when i get close

if i try to dismantle the freight it says "cant dismantle docking vehicle"

[atomic notch]

If its docking u cant open it

[split prairie]

well, thats strange. i forced to cancel the docking but it wasnt working (even tough there werent anymore items to load) i kept trying to dismantle it and after some time it just deleted it

[split prairie]

weird thing was that it was already loaded, there werent anymore items to load

[granite comet]

will satisfactory be on sale before summer sale?

[reef basin]

who knows

[dusk wolf]

should i buy palworld or satisfactory ?

[reef basin]

flip a coin

[mystic oriole]

satisfactory

[atomic notch]

I wish i had my external reaction emojis but its prolly a good thing i dont haha

[crystal cedar]

#screenshots how do i fix the blur

[dusk wolf]

alright. Satisfactory it is

[latent prawn]

probably as part of steam's event, but perhaps there will be some other epic or humble bundle promo before that, we don't ever have insight into any of that

[crystal cedar]

will it be free?

[mystic oriole]

palworld is more like 100-200 hrs game.
Where satisfactory is 1000-5000 hr game that's got lots of replayibility.

[latent prawn]

i doubt it'll be free ever, lol

[atomic notch]

All i can think of is motion blur

[prisma thicket]

Depends what sort of game you want to play. Palworld is a lot more about the combat, where Satisfactory is almost entirely about building factories and automation.

[crystal cedar]

its turned off

[latent prawn]

usually the sales on steam at least knock 20-30% off the price

[split prairie]

seems to be stuck at docking, i set a timetable to full load of concrete or wait two seconds (but the dock is empty) and the train wont move away

[dusk wolf]

wow I like automation.

[prisma thicket]

Is the station powered?

[zenith pecan]

Welp, looks like the plumbing at the refinery section doesn't work 🤦‍♂️

[split prairie]

yes

[atomic notch]

Self driving is on?

[split prairie]

yes, when i open the station menu it keeps changing from "cancel docking" "cancelling docking" non stop

[latent prawn]

well, there is combat in satisfactory as well, but it really takes a backseat to the factory building and kind of disappears entirely when your factory starts sprawling all over the map

[split prairie]

every time this happens the train honks

[latent prawn]

(saying for the benefit of the person asking in the OP)

[atomic notch]

Ive honestly never seen this before lol

[prisma thicket]

That's why I said it that way, Palworld's progression is based mostly around combat, Satisfactory is about the building and automation 90% of the time.

[split prairie]

i just made a round loop to test trains, could be this?

oh maybe its a mod, let me check

[latent prawn]

they sometimes can get stuck in a strange state. turn off self driving and loop around your world in it for a few minutes before turning driving back on

[split prairie]

what do u mean by loop around your world?

[latent prawn]

if you have a signalling problem, you gotta fix that first

i mean drive the train somewhere and back again

[split prairie]

no, dont even have those yet

[atomic notch]

Just drive it off the station

[split prairie]

i had this dynamic trains routes mod, could be that

but never used, since this my first time trying trains

[atomic notch]

Lol u got a train mod but cant even use vanilla trains

[split prairie]

when i enter the train it says "docking", have to do it manually

[atomic notch]

Have fun with that my break is over

[split prairie]

same thing happens

[latent prawn]

its happened to me before as well. all i can say is you have to fuss with it to fix

if you board the train and open it's ui, sometimes there's an error indication as to what's wrong

[split prairie]

could be because theres only one station in this loop?

[latent prawn]

yep

that would be why

[split prairie]

yeah, just tested it, seems like it only works if theres at least 2 stations for it to be looping around

strange that in a closed loop it wont just go back to the station its already in

[steady glade]

is it even possible to make factorio-style holding bays for trains to avoid making a conga line?

rip

[hard ivy]

Trains always take the shortest available route

If you need waiting bays, you need one behind each station

And multiple ones need to be in series

FIFO

[steady glade]

i see, thanks

[cosmic junco]

you can with a mod named: Dynamic Train Routes, but not in the base game

[little cobalt]

wow this last experimental patch that came out today was a mistake. Every little thing I do is crashing the game

[trim vine]

what happened

[little cobalt]

open a drone port? Crash.
choose a recipe on a machine? Crash.
Choose a floor on an elevator? Crash.
delete a conveyer lift? Believe it or not, crash.

[green fiber]

Womp womp patch

[zenith pecan]

In spite of separate waste/water, the whole place just hard locks, it looks like I need to rip out all of the infrastructure regarding alumina solution, and redesign the waste out, though I'm not sure the latter needs that much.

[green fiber]

Check for coal issues or coke

and scrap

A seperate system usually clears itself up when no longer locked

[zenith pecan]

Coke is sorted, scrap output is not backed up, the alumina solution setup seems to be the cause.

[green fiber]

Its very rare for it to permanently lock itself unless something eas designed very wrong

[green fiber]

If alumina is the cause then it may be too much ?
Missing throughout would lead to starving, not water logging

So it cant be "pipe doesn't move enough alumina"

[neon basin]

heya.. so im just wondering, i've got metal rods automated fully. Now if i need another resource that requires metal pipes to be created, do i take from this factory or do i create the pipes on location for the item?

[zenith pecan]

I'm thinking my pipe layout could be at fault, dividing the outputs of 12 refineries between 16 (per row, one sec)

[green fiber]

That doesnt seem reasonable as the cause.

You can add a buffer to it

If the buffer fills up completely then you likely somehoe make too much alumina

And thus also too much water

[pallid hatch]

trying to make my first truck route. In 1.1.0.5. Is the camera while using a truck default to invert Y controls?

[zenith pecan]

This is the setup #screenshots message , I'm sorely considering ripping all the piping.

[green fiber]

How much flow per set of refineries ?

You seem to carry one mk 2 per set of refineries, right ?

3 to 4 refineries i assume

[zenith pecan]

12 refineries per row, 4 groups of 3____ each group has two clocked at 105% (takes up wastewater only) and one at 90% (fresh water only) , but I have to feed into 6 pipes to move the alumina from each cluster.

[green fiber]

Is is electrode and sloppy?

[zenith pecan]

Yes.

[green fiber]

3 to 4 would be 720 alumina

[zenith pecan]

720 confirmed, the two overclocked (waste) and one underclocked) fresh add up just fine there.

[green fiber]

So you used 2 pipes then i assume.
Even so, its not like it to lock itself up over alumina

over 2 thirds of the alumina is made with byproduct water

So for it to lock up would mean "too much fresh alumina or too much water" somehow

[zenith pecan]

The entire row feeds into six pipes, that are linked at points.

[green fiber]

It should be subgrouped as 3 to 4 specifically, not one big network

I cant tell exactly how its piped

[zenith pecan]

The waste system is 105 per refinery, each 105% clocked refinery takes 210,

[green fiber]

Byproduct water is only 420/min so thats fine for one mk2

[zenith pecan]

The waste system feeds from four electrode refineries, into 2 clocked refineries.

[green fiber]

Yep thats fine if thats repeated like that for every group

[zenith pecan]

That's the whole source of my weird clocking tbh, to isolate the waste and fresh with exacting numbers.

[green fiber]

Likewise, the 2 105% and the one 90% should be moved with 2 mk 2 pipes to the 4 scrap refineries

[zenith pecan]

The whole thing is now completely locked up, every refinery all idle.

[green fiber]

Flush one system and watch it

Add buffer to water and alumina

Watch the levels

[zenith pecan]

Installing a buffer is not as easy as I'd like because of the way the pipes were suspended under the refineries , nuts!

[urban root]

use a wall to suspend a foundation, or vertically zoop them down this will create a sub floor for the buffer.

[zenith pecan]

I'm tearing out one entire loop to simplify the view, it'll show six refineries, connecting to 8 (the others will be offline completely

[jovial oracle]

Bruh, why do machines sound like they're gonna blow up when slooping them 💀

They sound so vile wtf 😭

[green fiber]

Sloop power

[zenith pecan]

Argh crap, I didn't purge the piping properly, each row has 4 separate wastewater systems, I need to reload, offline the whole thing, purge the waste and see what happens.

[zenith pecan]

Uh oh, I'm purging systems one at a time and I might hade a monster plumbing fuckup under the plate with water.

[green fiber]

Water not flowing back at all could explain this somewhat

Scrap gets clogged, fresh alumina overfills everything

Seems plausible

[zenith pecan]

Looks like I need to rewire my water extractors because they're connected to the refineries, and one of the fresh water (should be) emptied when I purged a waste, like err shit.

[tidal dove]

is satisfactory going to go on sale anytime soon btw

[hard ivy]

ah, so you've decided to ask about the same thing 3 hours later hoping for a different answer?

[urban root]

a quick google search reveals:

The 2025 Steam Summer Sale is scheduled for June 26th to July 10th.

Epic Games Store Summer Sale 2025 - July 18 - August 1

You may try your luck and wait. However, The game is absolutely worth $39.99.

According to PCgamer.com
steam will be holding a promotional event called "Automation Fest" on "July 14 – July 21. If satisfactory goes on sale it will certainly be featured here, but may be in other sales events too.

Like the above Steam and Epic Summer sales events. There is not guarantee satisfactory will be on a discount for any of the events.

This is the most accurate answer you're gonna get at this point. No need to ask another three times.

[reef basin]

nobody knows, except maybe devs who won't tell for obvious reasons

[atomic notch]

Nice

[neon basin]

i have two completely same builds for iron ingots. 1 miner and 3 smelters. in build #1 there's no issues with iron ore. but in the 2nd one it is barely pumping anything out. no overclocking on either

oh nevermind i've noticed what the issue is ooopsieees

[rugged trail]

wrong rail attachments?

[neon basin]

nope i didnt allow everything to fill up to a 100%

i just made it go from the getgo so it was starved

[rugged trail]

ah ok

[ripe basin]

A while ago my satisfactory broke
Now i fixed it

It was a problem with drivers

[zenith pecan]

Finally separated the grids, smelters, refinery group#2. refinery group'1 and the water, I can now, finally start throwing switches and try and diagnose what I've done wrong!

[rugged trail]

its great when you compartmentalise your factory for easier troubleshooting. great design at its finest

[pure snow]

2 different conveyor methods

[pure snow]

check CD keys

[hollow vector]

got the game before 1.0 near the release for 15$ on the winter sale

was such a steal ngl

[swift kernel]

Finally unlocked mk. 2 pipes

[languid marlin]

Hey, I'm at stage 3 project assembly and I'm wondering if is should stick to coal and go into fuel power or should I make compacted coal and then turbofuel?

[urban root]

I think i spent like $25 bucks on it in 2019. If they release paid DLC i'd buy it all, immediately. I'd re buy it on steam but i have my early access rewards on epic since it wasn't on steam for quite awhile.

[zenith pecan]

I'm gradually deleting all the fluids, then I can start the thing up and watch where it folds up.

[obtuse shale]

Can you tell me if the Xbox Series joystick works to play on PC?

[zenith pecan]

Works fine, just pair it with the pc (assuming you have wifi antenna on pc).

[obtuse shale]

It would be to play on a notebook

So probably yes, with bluetooth right

[zenith pecan]

That should have wifi/bluetooth as standard.

I'm also being an idiot, it is bluetooth not wifi haha, but yeah pair it.

[obtuse shale]

Excellent

Thank you very much

[rapid anchor]

Hey were do I report bug ?

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @zenith pecan

[rapid anchor]

Thx

[rugged trail]

comp coal isnt bad if you have sulfur near your coal, its a good upgrade. as for fuel the normal fuel is good enough early, turbo is a lot better and will carry you a lot

[languid marlin]

I've got a couple impure and pure sulfur nodes I think I could get a truck to, I'll set up comp coal at some point then

not pure sorry, normal nodes

[rugged trail]

afterall if you set it up like that, you'll make it easier to transition to turbo or rocket later on since you are already making the comp for it

[languid marlin]

got it thanks

I'm on it

[zenith pecan]

First time I've edited a save with SCIM haha, and it was just to delete everything except the pipes for issue diagnosis.

[hollow vector]

either way
thats still a steal

[jovial oracle]

Yo, the hoverpack is awesome tf

[sullen gull]

For building totally. Otherwise it's soooo slloooow lol

[rugged trail]

yea its really good when you have electricity for it

[jovial oracle]

I can now peacefully build my multistoried factories.

[rugged trail]

agreed. the best use is when you put down a lotta buildings and want to wire them all. otherwise jetpack is better

[jovial oracle]

Bruh, you gotta be kidding me. Bauxite ores are in the Red Forest? 😭😭😭

[atomic notch]

Some are

[jovial oracle]

Jesus

[sullen gull]

Basically in a straight line through the center of the map. From the high flat rock on the west coast, alll the way to the swamp

[jovial oracle]

Does this game have depleted uranium rifle ammo or anything like that?

[atomic notch]

No nothing that cool

[sullen gull]

Regular, turbo, and homing

[jovial oracle]

Damn alright.

[azure swan]

#satisfactory-memes message @hollow brook good lord my dude get a dimensional portal going.

[zenith pecan]

I'm open to any feedback https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1379199612908474409 , is my alumina feed as shit as I think it is, and any suggestions on feeding eight refineries from the outputs of six 😄 , because I blew it big time.

[wide cedar]

@bright comet it’s not my fault 😭

[urban root]

$39.99 is a steal lol. People are buying FIFA/FC for full price every release....

[hollow vector]

huh

i want to give them a lobotomy then check their brain

infact i think the lobotomy would just fix it

[wide cedar]

@trim vine@mortal ginkgo@swift kernel oh btw update i got the 5th belts unlocked right after the hub screenshots but dont actually have the aluminum to us them

[radiant breach]

Whats "Purity: Temp" when pinging ore veins?

[mortal ginkgo]

why did I get @ed

[mortal ginkgo]

temporary nodes that you can break

[radiant breach]

You mean like the bit that sticks out on top of a node?

[jaunty jewel]

from what i know yes

[radiant breach]

ok, just saw it on the map and got confused

Now i must begin automation of Smart Plates

[shy ether]

is it just me or are overflow boxes not created when you dismantle things in the experimental branch?

[ornate idol]

I'm just now getting back to the game since 1.0, and I noticed a new keybind entry for Toggle Ghost Fly, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I assumed it would be an out-of-body camera.

[shy ether]

thats coming in 1.1. 6/11 is the drop

[mortal ginkgo]

they are created beneath you. You will know when your character gets a lil hop

[ornate idol]

ah, part of the new video system. I can't wait.

[shy ether]

normally thats what happens but im not seeing anything

[mortal ginkgo]

dunno then

[ornate idol]

since my last map took 2.5 years to complete, I took a bit of a break after 1.0. 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

i know i have a box at 0.0.0

[shy ether]

im trying to see if other people on the experimental branch are having that issue too

seems like it just started to happen today

[ornate idol]

I spent most of my time in experimental in early access, but since I'm just starting fresh, I figure 1.1 will be out well before I'm up to the tech it's introducing.

[shy ether]

yeah youre not missing anything too crazy. hypertube stuff and a bunch of QOL things

[ornate idol]

the biggest thing for me is going to be the new mergers

being able to interact with item lifts to merge/split will be super nice.

[shy ether]

b-b-b-b-ut my spaghet

[mortal ginkgo]

brother there is infinite nudge, elevator, vertical nudge etc

so many nudging

[shy ether]

QOL stuff ;D

[mortal ginkgo]

"just qol" is not selling enough

[ornate echo]

So whens Satisfactory 2?

[mortal ginkgo]

not missing anything you said. YOU SAID THAT BROTHER MAN

[shy ether]

lol tbh i already forgot since ive been using it so much 🤣

[ornate idol]

not sure I need infinite nudge.. historically I've been within the regular nudge's range.

[mortal ginkgo]

I had to go experimental early because bp placement was driving me crazy

[mortal ginkgo]

vertical is where its at.

[shy ether]

yesssssssss

[ornate idol]

yeah, that does sound enticing

[mortal ginkgo]

also elevators are very cool

no need to make stairs etc

[shy ether]

havent used it yet but i will soon

[ornate idol]

it'll be nice having elevators too instead of all the wierd per-floor tube strategies I've had to use in the past.

[mortal ginkgo]

now if my fuse gets borked.. hmm.. surely that wont happen. like, surely.

I got an insanely burning hot take: I dont like hypertubes and the way they look etc.

[shy ether]

sammmme

[mortal ginkgo]

something feels off about them

[shy ether]

this is literally my first time using them

Im a power line kinda guy

[hard ivy]

wait till you learn about hypertube launchers lol

[shy ether]

but I made a bp for a hypertube accelerator and now im changing my mind about them

[ornate idol]

that power line gadget was useless prior to the last update

[fleet star]

Hypertube cannon is the goat!!

The goat!!!!!

[mortal ginkgo]

they are amazing and I am not against them. All should use that but me

[ornate idol]

you used to have to jump off the line and around the pole to connect to the next line, it was silly stuff.

[fleet star]

Why have 20 hypertube entrances when you can have 3 🤑

[shy ether]

yeah i just used a bp with the wire on the bottom of an outstretched pole

[ornate idol]

that and the old parachute, which would auto-deploy if you jumped off a tall rock and would consume itself.

[shy ether]

avoid the jumping minigame

reusable parachute ftw

[wanton summit]

my message in #satisfactory-memes was deleted 😭

[fleet star]

When I make hypertube cannons, I put them on a tower that's a hundred meters or so in the air, that way it can reach everywhere on the map with only a little jetpack redirection, and you can go all the way across the map in seconds

[urban root]

those are fun. I use mine a lot even when the teleporters are right there.

[hollow brook]

Don't worry my friend. I did, and it is glorious. I am also fixing all of the spaghetti.

I am getting out of the spaghetti phase

[sullen gull]

They are, but there is a new setting that merges the dismantle crates.

And, the radius is rather large. Check your map for dismantle crates and you'll probably find one or two with all the stuff you're looking for.

[ornate idol]

I'm goofing around in at test world and it just auto-saved, and it only took a second! Oh I missed the days of the auto-save on an empty map. By the end of my last map, it took something like 2 minutes to save.

[sullen gull]

You can change the setting as well. Under Gameplay I belileve.

[ornate idol]

I noticed all my custom colors are gone. I thought those were saved separately.

[sullen gull]

I was under the impression they were per save 🤷‍♂️

[ornate idol]

I'll have to go back to my old map and see if I can recover them. I thought they were treated the same as blueprints.

gah, my blueprints are gone too!

[sullen gull]

Those I know are per save

[shy ether]

awesome ty i was reloading everytime lol cant be losing the spheres

[sullen gull]

Lol, no worries

[ornate idol]

I swear they were meant to be universal.. that was the whole point to them being shareable. I'll have to see if there's a folder somewhere that I can transfer over.

[shy ether]

pro tip back those up to a google drive so you can just drag n drop into new saves

[sullen gull]

Check %localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\blueprints

[ornate idol]

thanks, I'll dig them out

[sullen gull]

When you make and save a blueprint in a new save, it creates a folder there specifically for that save.

And yeah, make sure you do that first in your new save, so that the folder is generated @ornate idol

[ornate idol]

will do

will probably also use my test world to make bps in the mk3 designer and copy them over. I've done my time stuck with the mk1 since it was introduced.

I bought this game on its first day of early access, it's the only reason I have an epic account. I'm owed the luxury of the final stage tools. 😛

[shy ether]

hahah same

and funny enough Ive never gone past aluminum 🤦‍♂️

I get stuck playing train simulator ||and id have it no other way||

[left totem]

there was an "out" phase ?

[ornate idol]

the train network I'm planning for this season is going to be a logistical nightmare once it grows beyond a certain point, but I'm looking forward to seeing if I can make it work.

[left totem]

I finished the game spaghetti

[shy ether]

im doing a huge central station rn

[hollow brook]

Eh, I got tired of the load balancer spaghetti. Manifold look nice.

[shy ether]

new splitters make that obsolete 🤣

[left totem]

manifold to the win, try to load balance things like 12.94

[trim vine]

Soooo, how are you progressing with elevator parts if you're handcrafting as much as you are?

[wide cedar]

I’m not ;-;

[left totem]

?!

[ornate idol]

that's probably a couple of months or more into my future

[shy ether]

you can make priority splitters iirc. so like a 70/30 split

[trim vine]

But you are making elevator parts

[left totem]

proof ?

[wide cedar]

Well yes but I stopped at phase 4 because I don’t have aluminum

[hollow brook]

Yah. "Welcome back guys to Day 236 of building my splitter/merger city trying to split this iron ore into 12.94"

[trim vine]

Simply getting to phase 4 without infastructure is wild

[ornate idol]

I argued for priority splitters/mergers for ages and got laughed at with "git gud" haters that couldn't understand the benefit of them.

[wide cedar]

o:

[trim vine]

wild in its dedication

[wide cedar]

!! i have like 2 manufacturers!!

or 3

[cyan garnet]

Research sloops and double your output from those machines

But in any case you should consider doing automation in the factory automation game

[ornate idol]

I traditionally don't use shards on anything except resource miners.

[shy ether]

nope nvm im wrong its a priority merger

[left totem]

I knew it

[ornate idol]

I know it's easy to have near-infinite power, but the non-linear power cost of shards makes my efficiency-focused mind melt down.

[shy ether]

sorry 🤦‍♂️

[peak wasp]

Happy men's mental health awareness month bros

[frozen ingot]

i use them on water extractors now. Because i hate them 😛

[sullen gull]

Hey @mortal ginkgo, hmu when/if you're around please

[ornate idol]

In EA they announced they were going to switch it to linear but backed out of the change when a few vocal peeps cried about it because they couldn't exploit the underclocking power savings.

[frozen ingot]

so if i get to build a few less, win win 😄 also i compulsively collect slugs so i'm never short on shards, and you can automate them in tier 9 anyway 😄

[ornate idol]

those count as resource miners, I can get behind it. 🙂

[frozen ingot]

🤜

[ornate idol]

lining up water extractors is the worst

[frozen ingot]

😄 yeah they can be fiddly

[sullen gull]

Not with a foundation and pipe support or wall 😏

[zenith pecan]

Farewell to my old cascade alumina feed, the maps largest plumbing bad idea is so consigned to the bin 😄

[frozen ingot]

i kinda wish... that a water extractor was a much much larger building that looked cooler and pushed a lot more water out

like with multiple ports for pipes or something

[sullen gull]

Telling ya man, take a look at that BP lol, it's kicking ass on my save. Working on getting the last 12 blocks up and going now.

[mortal ginkgo]

sup?

[sullen gull]

All you will need is just one extractor for each at 150

[stuck barn]

When 1.1 comes out, will that make my 1.0 saves obsolete? Or can I keep playing in my old saves?

[zenith pecan]

The layout differs from what my facility is at, and everything except the alumina is a solved problem 😦

[ornate idol]

it'll just add new features

[zenith pecan]

That said I had to create a print for laying the 400 smelters on the first floor because bollocks to wiring belting and setting that much by hand.

[stuck barn]

Cool, so I can just keep playing?

[mortal ginkgo]

you can continue with no issues. Though I had an issue in experimental where my bps were broken.

Problem was in 1.1 same bp had a single belt between splitter and lifts

[sullen gull]

Was wanting to ask if you'd be willing to take a gander at a couple buildings I have, sorta half finished, and would liike some serious critque on design, layout, and maybe some ideas on where to go. Since you've got that keen eye and all 😏

[stuck barn]

I only ask cause for other games, big updates or DLCs often break old saves (looking at you hoi4)

[ornate idol]

you'll be fine

[sullen gull]

That BP has the smelters in it already. Though, changes your numbers a bit as they are spitting 500 ingot per

[zenith pecan]

Point is the smelters are on another floor #screenshots message , that floor spews 12000 ingots.

[sullen gull]

And the alumina/water situation is a no brainer

[mortal ginkgo]

cant say I am a pro but I can give my opinions sure

[sullen gull]

You on 1.0 or 1.1?

[mortal ginkgo]

not expected for this patch but keep an eye on your BPs just in case.

[mortal ginkgo]

1.1

[sullen gull]

ok cool. sec.

[stuck barn]

Hot take, I for some reason never use BPs
I finished the game the other day, without using a single BP

[mortal ginkgo]

not a hot take. its totally optional. funny enough 95% of my BPs are cosmetics to make things pretty

[ornate idol]

I use them mainly to streamline my OCD. Like with pre-attached pipes to refineries.

[mortal ginkgo]

[elder apex]

wow, i am the complete opposite, every factory i make is done via a bp, only interconnection infrastructure is done freeform

[ornate idol]

pre-spaced splitters for assemblers / manufactures, etc.

[atomic notch]

Neither do i lol

But its for a reason

[stuck barn]

planning on starting my second playthrough in a couple days. Will try to use some BPs. Altough I never really found use for them

[ornate idol]

I spent ~100 hours building a diluted fuel power plant, then the next patch they introduced the bp maker. It would had saved me probably 60 of those hours..

[elder apex]

i do it for making sure i don't make the same mistakes twice

[mortal ginkgo]

my biggest issue is the planning phase. this game really makes me plan my buildings beforehand and watching Kibitz etc made me thought it was going to be easy but alas

[frozen ingot]

i try and plan as much as possible but i'm not that good at it so sometimes i just try and get started 😄

[elder apex]

i make a factory in the designer, test it, ensure it works exactly as it is supposed to, then always use the bp from then on out

[mortal ginkgo]

I got setups for each building where they got connections to go down to a logistic floor. I put them then all I need is connecting belts.

[shrewd bloom]

Guys do u know what discount be on summer sale? I want to buy this game for my friend.

[atomic notch]

No

[shrewd bloom]

:(

[mortal ginkgo]

game is already in sales. 40 usd is a steal.

[lethal lynx]

To anyone reading this, I know this is unrelated, but I just lost my cousin while he was train hopping, and I would appreciate it if even one of yall said a quick prayer for him

[atomic notch]

#off-topic-general

[mortal ginkgo]

#off-topic-general

[lethal lynx]

Sorry I didn’t realize that was a sub guys

[sturdy mural]

guys if i have a produciton loop that takes 100 water, but later produces 25 water, will it actually be fine if i just supply it with 75 water and route the 25 of the output back to the input?

[atomic notch]

Doubt it

Sounds pretty jank

Id just send the 25 somewhere else

[ornate idol]

the system doesn't care where the water comes from, so yes. The risk though is that if anything ever goes wrong and the water pipes fill up, then the machine won't be able to export the water as a byproduct, shutting down the whole line.

[elder apex]

yes it will work, but most of the people here recommend that you use a dedicated machine for the 25 and use other machines for the 75

[cyan garnet]

It might work but easy for it to jam if the production is ever unbalanced. Better off splitting it so that you have a machine taking 25 waste and a separate machine taking 75 fresh

[sturdy mural]

what if i supply it with the 100 at first, and then just reduce it to 75 when production gets to the water output
and keep draining a pipe till it goes to like 50% full
barely a chance for outage, barely a chance for fill?

ykw screw it, packager + sink !!!

[ornate idol]

I usually burn off waste water by making something like wet concrete and feeding it to the awesome sink.

[shrewd bloom]

In my region is 18 usd

[mortal ginkgo]

i mean, I say go for it

[shrewd bloom]

Okay, ty

[ornate idol]

you can still run into a problem if the solid material you're supplying gets delayed, causing the machine to occasionally run below 100%, but the pump doesn't "slow down" to match, eventually adding water to the loop. It can also happen if the machine pauses because the solid material output gets full for any reason (waiting on a train, or whatever).

I've done water feedback loops successfully, but it's always dangerous and I've always had to install failsafes. As a general practice, I usually don't find it worth it beyond proving I can get it to work.

[sturdy mural]

I meann
I'm supplying stuff by train, thats overproduxinf slightly eevn
So there woipdn't be much of a shortage, unless trainf throughput's so bad
And i'm making uranium power, to sink plutonium

[sturdy mural]

Couldn't you limit the pimps with a valve?

[atomic notch]

Alternativley you could send the 25 into like 300 fluid buffers would prolly last u a few thousand hours

[terse bone]

I’m not seeing mention of it but hopefully they include FSR4 in the new update

[ornate idol]

no, because the valve only limits throughput, not total volume. Even if you're only bringing in 1m3, if the consumption rate doesn't remain perfectly consistent (machine slows down/stops for any reason), then the valve will continue to let water in from the infinite source (water pump), eventually filling up the loop, preventing the machine from expelling its waste water back into the loop. If you're doing it, there needs to be a release valve in case it overflows.

[mortal ginkgo]

cant he priority input the pipe to main one?

[ornate idol]

When I've done it, for a failsafe, I've run a split off of the loop to a higher elevation so it will literally overflow only if it gets backed up, then run that water to a sink.

I don't think there's a priority function that's been added to fluids, but even if there were, the issue isn't priority, it's the fact that the infinite water source is blind to the operation of the machine that is consuming the water, so it doesn't react and shut off if the machine stops. It happily just keeps shoving more water into the loop.

...now if they would have added proper logic systems to the game (wiring, sensors, etc), then that would be something we could do, making machines "aware" of each other's states.

[sullen gull]

Just be sure to buffer train inputs and outputs with containers to offset the 'lock out'

[ornate idol]

I encourage anyone that wants to experiment and try to do such things, it's a great opportunity to learn how the systems work and where limitations come into play, but it's helpful to know ahead of time what pitfalls may await.

[atomic notch]

Fluid priority is just using gravity right

[sullen gull]

Theoretically.

[ornate idol]

well, yes.. which I guess is what I was describing earlier by having a higher elevation overflow that goes to a sink, since that pipe will have the lowest priority. Good point though.

[sullen gull]

But the system has to stay balanced pretty well for it to work correctly in my experience.

[ornate idol]

I've found it most useful to use limited looping in large-scale aluminum production because of the huge amount of waste water so to minimize how much "sink" infrastructure must be in place.

I just loaded my old world and was sad to see that one of my favorite QOL mods seems to no longer exist. It increased the hover pack flight distance based on the tier of power pole it was connecting to.

[sour nexus]

I always have this issue when producing aluminium. Best solution I've found is send the water by-product from the aluminium scrap to a coal power plant. You can tap into the coal you already have, and the power plant will just fire up intermittently when enough waste water has appeared. Similarly, making wet concrete then sinking it.

[ornate idol]

wet concrete is my go-to for waste water

[sour nexus]

Into a sink, presumably?

[sullen gull]

'The pipes can only take so much. If a recycle loop is done 'correctly', all the pipes should remain full. And when consumption starts up again, the balance should continue, so long as consumption = intake. And with recyle loops, in my my experience, one has to be careful to only introduce the amount of fresh needed offset by waste produced. So, if the sloppy alu needs 500/min for example, and you have two electrode producing 350 total, you only want to pump in 150/min.

And, Ideally, if you pump fresh in, with the theoretical fluid priority, as long as you pump the fresh in above the waste, it should take in the waste first, then pull from the fresh.

[ornate idol]

if the pipes ever become full, the machine cannot export its water byproduct to start the next consumption cycle, thus locking the loop. There has to be an overflow outlet.

[sullen gull]

Sure it can, because it consumes and makes room for more to come in. Again, this is what I have been finding based on trying to 'break' this BP I am using for my all alu plant. Haven't been able to yet, and I have been doing some off the wall stuff. Locking to a low frame rate, flying around it constantly with HP, making and deleting large BP's around them, even running prime95 for a while lol

Also stalling output, breaking input, etc.

[ornate idol]

yes. Of course this was pre-1.0. I do not know if there are any recipe changes that might make some other waste product more efficient at consuming water.

[sullen gull]

And, waste doesn't 'backflow' into the machines either, which is nice.

[ornate idol]

if it were possible for it to consume before emptying its full storage, then it would always be able to consume and it would never be necessary to dispose of byproduct. Anytime output is jammed, a machine will not start a new consumption cycle. If the water loop is full, the byproduct water cannot exit the machine to allow a new consumption cycle to begin.

[sullen gull]

The sloppy is what is consuming, and the waste is replenishing. Here is the post showing the pics of the plumbing: #math-and-meta message

[ornate idol]

if you're passing waste water on to a different machine, then it's not a loop, it's when you fold the water back into the machine that produced the water that a loop is created. That's what we're talking about.

if you're going from sloppy alum > alum scrap, there's no issue.

[zenith pecan]

That design is radically different to mine 🙂

[sullen stirrup]

hi chat, i want to have all the mercer spheres and somersloop in the world available to me but i really dont wanna go find em. is there a way to cheat this in through like satisfactory calc or something?

[ornate idol]

if the scrap then double back to the sloppy as a water source though, the loop happens and clogging can occur if there is an infinite source (water pump) involved at any point, unless you have an overflow (high elevation pipe going to a sink).

[sullen gull]

yes, you can 'collect' all of them via SCIM

[sullen stirrup]

i messed around with clearing out all the artifacts from the world (and then i could cheat in the same amount) but for some reason i couldnt clear all of em, idk why

[sturdy mural]

How do you do that??like just pipr the outputs and make the overflow go way higher?

[ornate idol]

exactly, at some point you run a pipe to a higher elevation and water will only rise up to it if the pipes get full enough (since the lower pipes back-fill when consumption happens).

obviously, the overflow pipe needs to be at a low enough elevation for the pump to raise the water to it, so don't run it up into the stratosphere. 😛

[sullen gull]

I'd be more than happy to send this and see if you can break it and be proven wrong lol, I haven't been able to. Even when each machine is full on it's output, like after cutting the output persay, the whole block just stops (same with the extractor because the loop is staying 'full'.. then, after reconnecting, It fires back up, the sloppy takes in 500, makes room into the pipes, then waste flushes in and balances out in about 5 minutes.

[zenith pecan]

I forgot just how slow the system is to restart on empty pipes when two thirds of the bauxite processors are on wastewater alone 🤦‍♂️ the test run is going to take a while.

It's only going to slow down further as I want to change the wastewater order so each pair of groups is its own system within the line.

[ornate idol]

you just said the whole block stops after it becomes full.. what is this "reconnecting" event? That sounds like manual intervention.

[sullen stirrup]

if you dont mind me asking, how do i go about doing this?

[sullen gull]

Disconnecting the output of the smelters. And then reconnecting. Allowing basically everything to fill with their respective outputs

[ornate idol]

...that's manual intervention.

[sullen gull]

I have not personally done it, but I have seen that when you show collectables, you can right click on then and collect. I am not sure if they go into your inventory or a dismantle crate.

[sullen stirrup]

darn okay, thanks anyway, i cant seem to figure it out and i cant find anything online

[sturdy mural]

Would a 2m foundation work?

[boreal musk]

go to scim, upload your save file, right click the player icon and add the Mercer sphere and somersloop into your inventory (note you can only add them each stack)

[sullen gull]

Simulates the output getting stalled down the line. I.E, if I was using those 500 ingots produced to make alu sheets and that output gets 'stalled', like producing into a crate or whatever .

[sturdy mural]

Or make it 4?

[sullen gull]

I think they want to collect the ones from the map though, not exactly just generate ones

[sturdy mural]

Or remove the ones on the map and givr them to themselces?

Like collrct without huntinf?

[ornate idol]

any elevation that's higher than the rest of the pipes, I assume 2m would work.

[boreal musk]

you can do that just by marked the explored map and deleted all the collectibles, and summon them to inventory

[sullen stirrup]

yes. i figured out how to "collect" them but they dont seem to go anywhere. deleting them from the map and adding them to my inventory is fine, just find of annoying. idk if theres a faster way besides collecting them individually in scim and then cheating em in.

[steady glade]

like duping?

[ornate idol]

at this point, I'll have to take your word for it. In EA what you describe was not possible. I don't see how it would be possible still, since there has to be a point at which a machine cannot function until its output is cleared, but I'm just starting my first 1.0 run, so I cannot speak with the same authority I did previously.

[sullen gull]

With this setup, the water outputs of the electorde refineries never have any water in them. Even when the machine is 'stalled' Sure, it fills up with scrap, but with, I guess, how things are belted/plumbed, is just balances out after it starts up again. 🤷‍♂️

[zenith pecan]

Lmao, I forgot to clock one of the miners 🤦‍♂️

[sullen stirrup]

there are clear and reset buttons for supposedly resetting or collecting the whole map, but when pressed it only actually effects a partial area.

[sturdy mural]

Oh crap
You reminded me i forgot to upgrade a cop miner for my RCU factory

[zenith pecan]

Easy done tbh, I did wonder why refineries kept going offline after I redesigned the alumina feed.

[boreal musk]

because it only clears the area you have explored, not the whole map

[latent prawn]

still that way. machines go idle if there isn't space in their output buffer

[grizzled lotus]

I started up the game again. I'm at the point where I'm trying to craft control units (the thing that requires heavy modular frames, computers, circuit boards) and setting up a train for the system.

And I just feel so overwhelmed. It feels less like play now and more like work. Is it normal for the game to be this way at this point? does it get better?

[latent prawn]

the midgame components tend to be a slog to make

[sullen gull]

The burnout can be real.

[latent prawn]

i can't say that things ever get less complex, but the late game stuff tends to be more fun to make

[sullen gull]

That is until you start using particle accelerators and converters and realize your power grid is about to have a stroke 🤣

Wooot, finallly got nuke productioon going lol

[latent prawn]

what helps a lot with the midgame components is to set up box factories for the stuff you still need to make factories for. when you make forward progress in the game, the potential for burnout diminishes

[sullen gull]

Time to nuke the swamp 😏

[latent prawn]

take a chainsaw to a little bit of it before you do, you can fill up some crates full of biostuff very quickly - enough to be rest-of-game supply!

[sullen gull]

Eh, I have solid bio and LBF backed up for daaaays lol.

[ornate idol]

@latent prawn hey, first name I recognize on here since returning.. I've been away for ..a while. 😛

[latent prawn]

i was kind of surprised at how quickly just clearing a bit for building filled my inventory. the swamp drop on foilage must be somehow weighted higher

[sullen gull]

Though, it'd be nice if I was paying attention to jetpack fuel and not die going through the hyper tube cannon 😒

[latent prawn]

howdy

i'm happy atm, i finalized a max no waste nuclear plan and have a bit of stuff in the world leftover

[sullen gull]

Do you use Modeler at all?

[latent prawn]

i was really worried that coal and oil were going to get tighter than they are

i don't use that tool, but use both sftools and sp.runesun.com

[ornate idol]

I haven't even started my 1.0 run, I'm pre tier 0, that's how little progress I've made.

[lime ermine]

Nice

Mines about halfway through planning

[torpid cloak]

1.1 release at 10 june?

[lime ermine]

Making PCC for the plutonium rods rn

[latent prawn]

it took me forever to work through the dark crystal & diamond stuff. a lot of careful math there

[lime ermine]

Random idea but give us glass pipes so we can see what's happening in the pipe they'd be made of silica instead of copper sheets

[torpid cloak]

it is a date when i probably will be kicked from university

[latent prawn]

that would require the devs understand what's going on in the pipes, lol

[lime ermine]

🤣🤣🤣

[latent prawn]

i get the feeling very few people at CSS actually understand the pipe code

[sullen gull]

Man, the nuke radius is smaller than I thought it was .. hmm

[latent prawn]

they still clear better than the cluster nobs

[sullen gull]

This is true

And so much more to watch 😏

[latent prawn]

btw, think twice about bulldozing entire biomes. it really bloats your save file size

[sullen gull]

OK, 24 left... lets throw em all out and watch the glory 🤣

[latent prawn]

'this is the end... my only friend... the end'

[civic shale]

Yo, is there any news on the console release of satisfactory? Havent found anything online exept they are trying to launch in 2025, so i thought maybe u guys here know more about it 🙂

[sullen gull]

#announcements . But all we know is that it's top priority after 1.1 release.

[latent prawn]

1.1 is hitting EA on pc june 10 with controller support and console support will be sometime after.

[cosmic silo]

hey so i just joined and im really enjoying the game but i need some help on my logistics because im pretty sure im doing something completely wrong

[civic shale]

That’s definitely good to hear, thank you. My old pc is not able to launch the game lol, so im waiting to play on ps5, thank you again, ill have a look from time to time

[latent prawn]

i think another development house is doing the console ports, so getting firm info on that at this point is whisper-down-the-lane

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message Too late 🤣

[grizzled lotus]

I restarted twice and in this run I did that, based on the "independant factories" article someone gave. It makes things easier. But I think a big part of the burn out is building railways. Rather, it's the whole planning with loading and unloading.

[sullen gull]

If you're not already on 1.1, this will make at least 'laying' the trains much easier with the changes/additions they've made.

But yeah, the planning part can get overwhelming for sure. Just remember K.I.S.S. 😏

[sullen gull]

So, pre-boom, save was at 7.84mb, 7.96mb after... Though, I don't know what constitutes 'bloated; to be honest.

[latent prawn]

last i looked was before 1.0 some stuff changed in the save format. i may be giving outdated info

[sullen gull]

Oh I wasn't doubting lol, was just curious is all,

[latent prawn]

anything you destroy is extra data for the game to remember though

[sullen gull]

That's fair, and makes sense. Duly noted.

[wanton stag]

I wanna play satisfactory but he's on Linux and I'm on windows 11, would there be any issues?

[sullen gull]

Shouldn't be

[sullen gull]

Though to be fair, I was referring to Nuke Nobelisks 😏

[cyan garnet]

if you have specific questions, best bet is to start a thread in #1038092680493801533 detailing what you need help with, include screenshotse

edit: derp, I see you already made a thread, disregard

[cosmic silo]

indeed

[cyan garnet]

discord scrollback got me again

[jovial oracle]

From what it looks like, railway stations and networks take up a lot of space for factory expansion (I've been using trucks all this time).

[sullen gull]

Such a bastid innit?

[sullen gull]

Stations are pretty large.

[jovial oracle]

They're HUGE lol

I hope they have enough space.

[pearl nova]

~is there any way to stop overflow? like i want to fill the storage and once is full have the items go somewhere else like a awesome sink

is there any way i can do that?

[sullen gull]

Smart splitter

[pearl nova]

i just unlocked that xD lucky me

[sullen gull]

Researched under the Caterium tree in the mam

[languid marlin]

caterium early game is a lifesaver I just unlocked most of the good stuff in a new save

[pearl nova]

wow i just realized smart splitters are amazing...i can just send the overflow of all my factories to a sink finally im gonna stabelize my power

[languid marlin]

I was wondering if anyone has any ideas of how much stuff I should go for in a new steel factory? I've got 360 iron and coal, what should I make with it?

[zenith pecan]

I dislike the waiting game 🤣 , but the future of my entire place is depending on the seven refineries that are up, staying up.

[dense violet]

in general I highly recommend having power and production be completely different. Use a different set of coal nodes for power

[pearl nova]

im doing petroleum

[cyan garnet]

Indeed

[dense violet]

use a different set of oil for power and production 😛

[cyan garnet]

Build vertical. Stations on ground level and factories above

[sullen gull]

And now you can also do sushi belts if you want to get reeeally crazy and pull a bit of hair out 🤣

jests a bit of course.

[pearl nova]

but i need to use the polymer so im gonna keep 1 storage and sink the other

[jovial oracle]

I will need to do this one someplace else, preferably a new one. Cause I cannot do this in my current factory, it's an optical hazard.

[zenith pecan]

Not easy when the byproduct of my power station is directly responsible for me getting 4800 steel, though to avoid production backups totally banjaxing my rocket fuel production, there are overflow splitters on the compact coal byproduct belts to sink in case the foundries misbehave.

[pearl nova]

im using 20 fuel power genshould be enough for a while

[zenith pecan]

Fingers crossed, so far the seven refineries are behaving!

Best part is I'm actually seeing 1200 aluminum scrap screaming out of the outputs and keeping 40 smelters burning at full capacity.

[ember locust]

think that depends on a lot. is this your first steel factory ?

[zenith pecan]

Will be 20 times that if they continue to behave and I apply the redesign to the entire place.

[jovial oracle]

To keep railways tidy, should I build them on foundations?

[dense violet]

it's often a good idea yes

what a lot of people do is run 1 line of foundations, then place blue printed pylons they connect with rail

[cyan garnet]

Rails are much easier to build in 1.1 FWIW

[jovial oracle]

So, what happens if you get hit by a train at full speed?

[unkempt blade]

believe it or not straight to jail!

[jovial oracle]

Bruh

So 110W is the maximum power a truck will take?

[dense violet]

trucks run on fuel? not sure what you mean

you mean trains?

[unkempt blade]

he means train probably and yes 110mw

[dense violet]

I think the ycan take a bit more than that going up a steep hill

[unkempt blade]

But you know what doesn't need any power and is infinitely adorable?? factory carts!

[jovial oracle]

Yeah I meant trains, my bad.

Both of them starts with a T 💀

[rancid torrent]

Is there a way to use the satisfactory calculator to put down markers?

[hollow vector]

nope

also you should try linux aswell using an old spare pc or a vbox

[wanton stag]

It's just that he said "generally speaking, trying to run video games network-wise through wine isn't liked, especially when Epic Games is involved." So I was worried especially since I'm on steam

[hollow vector]

oo

ehh idk
also why wont he use offical?
the game has linux support

[fluid yoke]

Its been a minute.... Is Jason, who's wearing an SD hat in the 1.1 video from San Diego? Anyone been paying attention?

[hollow vector]

source: me

[wanton stag]

He uses Debian, maybe it doesn't work on that distro?

[hollow vector]

well

the source was me
and there shouldnt be some sort of difference

[wanton stag]

Check again?

[hollow vector]

yea satisfactory can run on debian

[sullen gull]

Eh, what would be a distro it couldn't run on? lol Tiny linux maybe 🤣

[hollow vector]

uhh

Logitech Superlight Pro 2

[wanton stag]

@unborn orchid

Ask cube idk shit about this

[cyan garnet]

he's an American living in Sweden, don't remember him specifically saying anything about San Diego tho #announcements message

[unborn orchid]

Am not sure why you pinged for it XD already explained my thoughts on it, but thanks for asking lol

[hollow vector]

whar

[unborn orchid]

don't worry about it! My game works fine just sometimes have networking issues so I stay SP, I play it on Epic via wine (as I don't own it on steam) and overall it runs just fine

Wasn't aware was here asking about it as well lol

thanks for the answers though!

[hollow vector]

if anything i should thank you for modivating me to make a debian vbox

man the installer is shit
i was legit wondering what the hype was about the entire time i was in the installer

[unborn orchid]

lmao it's a good stable OS but nowadays even the bleeding edge distros seem to be pretty stable. I like it mostly cause I hate change, and you can rely on Debian to not change lol

[sullen gull]

Arch = ❤️

😏

But honestly anymore I was using PopOS ... thinking of venturing out though .

[unborn orchid]

I do have to agree though, Debian's installer shows it's age XD

[cinder holly]

just joined the severs idk where to really bring this question but I was looking at my fuel generator power grid and then wanted to check it with satisfacory calculator and found out they i should be able to make 8000 power with 32 fuel gens with my 16 refinerys I assume it is how i have things placed that it is impacting my grid, but rn i can only keep 18 gens on with out any flickering on and off for a sec

[zenith pecan]

Can you show me the pipe layout, and if you have the plan at hand, best place is #1038092680493801533 , I'll try to look it over, word of warning, I have a lot of alcohol in my system so please bear with me.

[sullen gull]

Best place would be in #1038092680493801533. And try to provide as many screenshots of your setup as possible

[cinder holly]

ok sounds good will head there

is there a website that i can go to for creating a layout or will screenshots be best

[sullen gull]

Screenshots would be best I believe

[cinder holly]

ok

[sullen gull]

Usually the answer is most likely something to do with plumbing .. And seeing how things were done helps greatly

[cinder holly]

ya i think that too one sec making a post

[zenith pecan]

For plumbing failures, look no further than my bauxite refinery 😄

[sullen gull]

Duuuuuuude ...

one sec

[zenith pecan]

I can at least say "if you've fucked up plumbing" "I've fucked it up Bigger! 🤣

[hoary ibex]

Let's have a moment of appreciation for the SF devs and (primarily) community manager.
The fact I got to watch 73 separate videos to figure out what was going on for this tiny patch - outstanding. Almost no community gets the chance to watch so many monetized videos beforehand.
Keep it up and harvest it for the next one!

[sullen gull]

Check DMs 😏

[leaden turret]

I mean if you're talking about the clips archive, that's not their channel

and the #patch-notes says what's going on in the patch

[hoary ibex]

If you dont know you dont know

[peak wasp]

FInally got my end game storage finished and got rocket fuel started!

Im just struggling with this phase 4 stuff :/

[leaden ether]

As good as Satisfactory is about placement restrictions compared to a lot of other games, it still manages to be uselessly and annoyingly restrictive with things like "Must be placed on a ceiling" and "Must be placed on a wall". How about you just let me place whatever on whatever and stop being a dick? :/

[boreal musk]

conveyor wall support must be placed on walls, how shocking

[summer hemlock]

• Fixed Splitter/Merger attached to ends of Conveyor Lifts not working when placed as part of a blueprint

lets GO

[leaden ether]

In my case I was mostly interested in the lights. But even in the case of the ceiling and wall mounts, sometimes one might use an item that is not actually a ceiling or a wall as a ceiling or a wall and maybe still want to place the proper mounts as well...

[sullen gull]

@trim vine Just convert/addon to the TF plant and turn it into RF?

[trim vine]

My entire grid is that plant

[tribal elk]

i wonder how feasible it is to complete the space elevator without the MAM

[trim vine]

Any disruption to it would likely collapse it

[sullen gull]

Build a giant battery box! 🤣

OK, but you just caught me as I was taking my old man self to bed lol. Keep us posted how it goes 😉

[trim vine]

Very, Very hard, not having AI limiters or High speed connectors

[trim vine]

I dont think it will be terrible, its just, a ton of refiners

[tribal elk]

very hard? arent those required?

[sullen gull]

Power shard tf out of them and use less 🤣

[tribal elk]

or do i farm them from doggos or something?

[trim vine]

I dont think so

[sullen gull]

Also, can't build at another location so you don't have to take it off line?

[trim vine]

No, combination of alt recipes and such, you can avoid thoser

[zenith pecan]

Your plan looks like a scary convert if it is going to be one large monolithic structure instead of several discreet buildings.

[tribal elk]

oh uh, alt recipes need the MAM

i guess that would have to be the exception?

[trim vine]

Gonna tweak the thing and see why it doesnt use the nitro recipe

[sullen gull]

I mean, if you only use it to scan drives 🤷‍♂️

[trim vine]

then no, not possible

[zenith pecan]

Nitro simplified mine big time, though I only do 7200 rocket, not 8000.

[tribal elk]

actually i could just buy those from the sink shop...

[zenith pecan]

And I overclocked the blenders, so it's 8 per tower, not 16.

[tribal elk]

so it IS possible

[trim vine]

Yeah, so with my current sulfur limitations, using the streamlined one you have, I can only get 4050 Rocket Fuel

[zenith pecan]

Damn, what's eating your sulphur, or do you still need mk6 blets.

[trim vine]

-looks away and whistles-

Tucks instant scrap in my back pocket

[zenith pecan]

That'll do it 😦 , I'm still fixing my own baux refinery after an epic cascade failure due to poorly designed pipework.

[trim vine]

Sulfur aside, the piping for the instant scrap was super sexy

Overclocked everything, and one refiner flows into one blender and makes 375 ingots with 750 scrap

[zenith pecan]

I'm using sloppy alumina & electrode scrap, when the place is running it'll produce 12300 ingots.

[trim vine]

Yuup, I do regret not going the sloppy alumina

Why electrode over baseline?

[zenith pecan]

The amusing part is two thirds of the refineries run exclusively on wastewater, no recycle or loop shenanigans.

[zenith pecan]

Easier beltwork due to smaller needed throughput, more ingots in my case like 1500 more over having the whole place run on base.

[reef basin]

Both are unlocked even without MAM

[zenith pecan]

And the coke plant in the swamp is producing diamonds like nuts using the spare coke.

[trim vine]

Really? Where?

[reef basin]

T7

[trim vine]

I dont see it

[sullen gull]

Control systems Managment 2

[floral jolt]

yo im brand spanking new to satisfactory like I legit just finished tier 0 and im already tired of doing things manually is there any way to automate power this early in the game or am i stuck till later

[trim vine]

I see, Battery, RCU, SuperC, Assembly Director System, no AI limiter

[trim vine]

you free for a chat?

[floral jolt]

like vc? or just messages

[trim vine]

VC

[floral jolt]

sure

[cyan garnet]

you can automate power in tier 3 (coal power)

[west jackal]

do people use proper splitter setups? like get exact ammounts split out perfectly? in example x2.5 constructors you would need 2 splitters and 2 mergers to get the ammounts "perfect" or do people just manifold the belts?

[cyan garnet]

in the meantime, set up some containers with leaves and wood, feed them to constructors to make biomass and then biofuel, and feed them to burners via belt. this will allow it to run mostly unattended as long as you stock the containers well enough

[west jackal]

i get coal automated in under 5h

its not ideal, but i hard rush coal

[cyan garnet]

just manifold, if you math it out correctly it's 100% efficient

[west jackal]

either way it ends up at 100% right? it just takes a little time to build up

[cyan garnet]

yes

[leaden ether]

Except if one of the legs goes to the sink, getting exact splits is usually not necessary as if more itmes go to one leg than it needs, it will block up and all the rest will go to the other leg(s). THat said, there is a mod that allows you to specify that in the splitter itself.

[cyan garnet]

the main difference is the spin-up time is longer on a manifold, but balancers tend to take a lot more physical room

[west jackal]

jokes on you i cant afford smart splitters for a sync yet 😛

but the factories should be 100% effeciency if i planned it right, so there shouldnt be overflow

im only 9h in this save

[cyan garnet]

100% efficient until your end container fills up, that is

[leaden ether]

Sorry I meant the "sink" Since the sink never backs up it can't allow the splitter to balance.

[west jackal]

nah i know what you meant, i typoed

[west jackal]

yeah but these factories are all seperate, so if it backs up it doesnt break anything else

[sullen gull]

You're right. They are only unlockable from the MAM now it looks like. My bad. Well, SCIM is ood 🙂

[west jackal]

not like nuclear or a fuel plant

[sullen gull]

OK, I really need to stop getting "Ohh Shiny'd". nn

[west jackal]

once i automate smart splitters i can, i have all the stuff but i dont have a caterium nearby

[cyan garnet]

there's usually a node near-ish the starting spot in each biome that you could at least drop some automated miners on

enough to get the MAM research going

[boreal musk]

sadly thats just how it works, if you want to properly snap them, you can use beams

[west jackal]

i have the research, i have it making quickwire, i just havent bothered shipping copper over bc i want a better node

i wanted the quickwire for power poles and the lims

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AI_Limiter

[wide cedar]

Why do I hear, distant noises that sound like a pterodactyl stuck in a sewage pipe?

[hollow vector]

any other distros i should try?

man you dont know how sick i am of kde plasma forks
litterally nothing was changed
just a new icon and background

maybe a new neofetch

[sullen gull]

Pretty sure that is outdated. It is not listed under T7 in game, nor is it if you look at the milestones on the wiki as well. It USED to be.

[reef basin]

Ubuntu 🙂

[reef basin]

That box is generated from ingame data

[hollow vector]

ubuntu is ok

a bit overhated ngl

yes.
there is people who think ubuntu is bad

[west jackal]

i use ubuntu, ive got 4 VMs and a large nas

[unborn orchid]

not really sadly, I haven't been a fan of a lot of them, reason why I just stick with Debian. I'm personally a fan of cinnamon styles but plasma has been my interest as of late cause of the customizability. For distros all I use are some form of Debian dererative, it just works for me \0/

[obsidian bluff]

Don't you love it when you reach a new tier and realise oh crap, my factory is inefficient... i have to rebuild everything from scratch now

Also realised the damn scale of everything in this new tier with satisfactory calculator, realised that all mining methods I have so far... Are Shit

[reef basin]

no, I just keep things and build new. No reason to rebuild

[obsidian bluff]

Built an 88 refinery monstrosity for pure copper, connected it yesterday, haven't tested it yet

[obsidian bluff]

But what if the production numbers don't satisfy?

[reef basin]

wdym?

[obsidian bluff]

For example I'm not content making 4 computers a minute, I want 60 cause future recipes will want them

[reef basin]

don't build for future, build what you need now. Future factories will make their own ingredients when you know how much you need for them

[obsidian bluff]

Same with circuit boards and high speed connectors

[obsidian bluff]

Eh I built this mega-refinery already so

2640 copper a minute for me

[reef basin]

sure, but that still doesn't mean you have to "build everything from scratch"

[obsidian bluff]

Well not EVERYTHING everything, I leave the power infrastructure alone

[reef basin]

you don't have to build anything from scratch

[obsidian bluff]

Different building methods honestly

[reef basin]

sure but you were asking about it, so I answered 😉

[obsidian bluff]

Fair enough ye lol

But just that the elevator will need computers, supercomputers, etc

And I'd rather have them already built than realise oh wait I need an ANOTHER mega-factory

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency 🙂

[reef basin]

in the end, you'll build same amount of machines

[obsidian bluff]

Yeah

[trim vine]

Dont forget to leave a review

😛

Night all

[obsidian bluff]

I mean it depends on complexity

Obviously you're not going to train in raw ore or just plates

Which is sorta what I'm coming to now naturally

[reef basin]

eh, independency is usable all the time

[boreal musk]

bringing raw ore with train to your factory location is very normal

[obsidian bluff]

Not all the time, I mean, why would you build one factory in one end another in the other end without any way to transport the resources between them?

[obsidian bluff]

Idk I prefer to send ready products rather than raw mats

[dreamy kestrel]

either is fine

if youre shipping something like quickwire by train, thats just an absurd waste of space

but there isnt much difference between shipping, say, iron ore vs iron ingots (especially if you use the solid steel alt recipe)

[reef basin]

why would I want to transport things, if each factory makes things from scratch?

[hollow vector]

you live a dream

i only have 25gb vms on a 512 gb ssd that is struggling to install games

[obsidian bluff]

I mean true but I find it more convenient and intuitive that way, that mining and refining is done in one place production in another, hell that's how it's done in real life

[dreamy kestrel]

eh, in real life the mines and the refineries are usually separate plants

the disadvantage of heavy preprocessing is that you limit your opportunities for alt recipes

[idle raptor]

Where Can I report a bug of 1.1?

[fossil ice]

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<3 @reef basin

[obsidian bluff]

Well yes, same in game, it's just what a whole mining crew does irl, in satisfactory it's just 1 machine so...

[reef basin]

real life doesn't have infinite nodes

[obsidian bluff]

Touché

[dreamy kestrel]

like if you really like using, say, the leached caterium recipe or something, smelting all your caterium on-site will prevent you from using that

[dense violet]

real life also needs different infrastructure , populations and skills to deal with it all

[dreamy kestrel]

but ofc itll also reduce the amount you need to transport

[hollow vector]

i thought we had an unlimited supply of oil coal and uranium that way renewable was just people being too afraid of nuclear..

[obsidian bluff]

I mean, true to a degree

[dreamy kestrel]

the supply of coal and uranium are not meaningfully constrained with current human populations - youre paying for the land and labour required to mine them, not because theyre particularly scarce in the environment

they're finite so of course we will run out "eventually" but not in the foreseeable future

oil is quite scarce relative to demand though, which is why oil cartels are so effective (see OPEC)

[obsidian bluff]

I mean, then there's thorium that is leagues more abundant in nature and safer

[hollow vector]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

[obsidian bluff]

Cause you can't just use any uranium you see on the ground