satisfactory

[atomic notch]

Wow cool satisfcatory discussion guys

[zenith pecan]

I'm staying out of it, I have a monster coking plant to complete 🙂

[swift kernel]

I apologize if my tone was off. I'll try to remember my tone indicators next time /sincere

[leaden turret]

I wonder if there's a page for converting text to semaphor emojis to flag this nonsense over to the correct channel

[rugged trail]

it was about turning 4500 oil to turbofuel i dont know how we ended up here

[rugged trail]

nah its fine im just new here so im not really familiar with others expressions and stuff. its fine

[swift kernel]

I just unlocked turbofuel yesterday. I'm going to have to ship some concentrated coal to my oil factory

[hard ivy]

it started with turning 4500 oil into most power, and then they decided they want turbofuel, which is far from the most power

[swift kernel]

Wait, really?

[rugged trail]

wait it isnt?

[hard ivy]

not to mention that turning 4500 oil into TF is a massive waste of effort

[leaden turret]

wonders what the recipe for turning oil into team fortress is

[swift kernel]

Why wouldn't turbofuel be the most efficient?

[hard ivy]

because there are other fuels

[swift kernel]

I know at least one component is the Sandvich

[rugged trail]

damn i guess i was playing wrong making 2400 rocket outta 2100 oil while making enough rubber and plastic for everything else. beautiful game

[gentle stream]

2x typo

[rugged trail]

ask soldier he might know a thing or two about that

[merry kettle]

I was thinking "that's way more turbofuel than you'd ever need", but I guess it's a waste of effort because ... uh. I'm not actually sure now. Turbofuel can be converted to rocket fuel. Unless you're using the alternate recipe that bypasses it, I guess.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> I now want to give you the mental image of the TF2 characters playing Satisfactory and the Soldier arguing with ElevADA

[rugged trail]

he will be teleporting bread for the entirety of the game

[swift kernel]

Now I have to do the math on all this. Great.

[rugged trail]

its actually more efficient to make turbo into rocket last time i did the math

[leaden turret]

who needs spaghetti belts when we can get our carbs from all this bread?

spawns bread crab boss from teleporting bread

[merry kettle]

Eyeballing it that would be my guess, but I'm not doing the math right now

[hard ivy]

depends what you mean by "efficient". both recipes have pros and cons

[peak wasp]

I had a power plant and was producing nearly 200 gws of power now I'm producing half that even though all my plants are working fine idk what happened

[rugged trail]

one is more sulfur/coal/nit efficient and the other is oil efficient. and power

[rugged trail]

maybe a hiccup in production?

[peak wasp]

Everythings fine. There's gotta be power poles not connected somewhere

[leaden turret]

unless something really shits the fan

new @void gorge merch

[rugged trail]

something tells me we shouldnt be sending soldier to explore the red forest areas. gotta mind the ptsd

[frozen cloud]

default is resource efficient
alt is simple

[rugged trail]

that too. happened to me a few times when rebuilding my bases

[leaden turret]

crab walk spy turns into

[hard ivy]

alt can also be more resource efficient

depends which resources we're talking about

[lime ermine]

Ask the engineer

[peak wasp]

Is there a way to wipe all the buildings on your map so you can start fresh with all the progress you have

[rugged trail]

honestly depends on your goals entirely. thats how i find it efficient cuz of the other ways i built my factory

[merry kettle]

If you're running low on available oil in the map I'm legitimately impressed

[peak wasp]

without having to start from the first tier again

[rugged trail]

he'll be hammering the oil nodes

[lime ermine]

Advanced game settings

[hard ivy]

SCIM

[frozen cloud]

oil diamonds is one hell of a drug

[lime ermine]

Make a new save and start on whatever phase you want

[rugged trail]

trust me the math is horrifying when you push the game to its limits

[rugged trail]

oh yea that sweet sweet black diamonds

[lime ermine]

Can confirm I used the whole oil coast for this

[frozen cloud]

can confirm i used 80% of oil on the map for this

[abstract heron]

atm @merry kettle at 420,000MW at best

[zenith pecan]

Decent chunk of power though, are you having power grid trouble?

[wanton lance]

so im trying to figure out coal power am I supposed to hook the water extractor up with a wire to the coal gen once both are powered up?

[abstract heron]

kinda taromani some fuel gens are not getting enough power 960 times 600 should be 576,000MW i should be thinking

[zenith pecan]

One approach, is to use a biomass burner or two, to "prime" the water lines completely, then connect them to the coal, you can hand feed coal to boot the system up, just make sure you have the coal mine and its belts connected for when it gets powered, once it's running, the coal burners themselves will keep water and the mine going.

[zenith pecan]

How many generators are individual lines feeding?

[wanton lance]

i dont understand

[abstract heron]

60 per line taro

[zenith pecan]

Oh crap, what I'm thinking is that is way too many, the numbers might add up but the problem is generator cycle time, some are getting starved because that part of a pipe keeps getting taken up by other generators, so some parts of the loop never actually get to fill.

Even at my absolute massive scales in the past, I never passed 37 on one line, and that was part of a loop.

[wanton lance]

when I hold e and look at the power line it has a capacity of 615 mw does that mean I did it?

[abstract heron]

some are going to the end of the line some arnt

[wanton lance]

and the biomass burnders are still there but the biomass is not going down

[rugged trail]

over time the back ones get filled up so it gets to the end of the line
but in reality... its gonna take a long while for that to happen

[zenith pecan]

Sounds like you already got the coal going, check the generators, if they're filling with coal and have all their water, all is cool, just watch for the odd yellow light.

[wanton lance]

can I delete the biomass burnders?

[zenith pecan]

That can be sped up by offlining some gens, but the system itself can be quite blergh, something to do with how the game handles liquids.

[surreal ingot]

Man seeing everyone else be so good at the game is discouraging

[wanton lance]

bro do you not see me

[zenith pecan]

Should be able to, hell early on, you can leave them, their output can be clutch early game if you risk blowing a fuse.

[wanton lance]

i was just talking about the ones I used to jumpstart

[zenith pecan]

So was I 😛

[rugged trail]

yea thats wonky too but still i never had problems with it and i run a big fuel generator factory

[abstract heron]

some pockets are not having all gens going yet taro

[wanton lance]

so now I just need to go to a pole that is in thhat grid and bring the wire back to my base?

[abstract heron]

or even off

[zenith pecan]

My rocket fuel power station has 30 generators (on two floors) per line.

[rugged trail]

or maybe youre a normal well adjusted human among the sea of compulsively obsessed autists

[abstract heron]

and dumbest fuel line not working ethier

[surreal ingot]

But I am compulsively obsessed I’m just also bad at the game

[zenith pecan]

Eyak, Erm sometimes pipes connect but not, if you get a hard stop like that, just del and immediatly replace the pipe.

[rugged trail]

try reconnecting the line. pipes sometimes get bugged and dont transfer fluids when they should

[abstract heron]

or i am not making enough turbofuel

[surreal ingot]

Everyone has cool builds that make billions of things every nanosecond and I’m celebrating figuring out how to make this dumb ass power grid

[rugged trail]

different kind of obsessed then. but dont fret, there are always tools to do your job for you

[rugged trail]

we've all been there. gotta burn a few fuses out before you get there

[abstract heron]

@surreal ingot everything takes time to get stuff Moving my spire coast project took me 4-6 months

[zenith pecan]

Don't be discouraged, everyone starts somewhere, you're talking to some folks who have thousands of hours played.

[abstract heron]

of almost non stop working and i was done about christmas time

[rugged trail]

could be. check your refs/blenders for any overflow/underflow

[leaden turret]

scim, select all, move, done 😛

[abstract heron]

i don't have any buffers

not all my fuel pipes acting a nice person not even flowing

[zenith pecan]

Right now I got myself distracted with building a coking plant because I forgot about it after moving 12,300 bauxite across the map 🤣 , this place will take me a couple of days to fully build, test, troubleshoot and build annexes for before I move the needed coke to where I want to make aluminium again.

[rugged trail]

maybe weird altitude changes? fluids act very differently if they have differing heights

[surreal ingot]

This is the height of my skill

#screenshots message

[abstract heron]

i might have redo compact coal one second not getting enough filled the other side getting to much filled

[rugged trail]

that aint a bad starter factory. its neat

you should see my spaghetti mess. makes your be grateful to your own factory

[abstract heron]

start small and go bigger and bigger

[zenith pecan]

Bad? , no, hell , just new to the game, that's relatively tidy, experience at builds and the like develops in time, same as learning anything else.

[abstract heron]

i remember at start having big big storage of stuff and ish having doing irl stuff

while items produce

[surreal ingot]

I need to figure out how to make it look better

[abstract heron]

now water having issues YAY!

[leaden turret]

stick it in a box and paint it

[rugged trail]

it looks really good. and its also efficient. best of both worlds

[surreal ingot]

Might need to do a restart of the save and find a more open area to try and figure out storage and shit

[abstract heron]

is having 2 pumps on same pipe line is that okay

[zenith pecan]

Do you have a tools plan to link, you might have a numbers error somewhere.

[wanton lance]

does putting too much coal into the manifold system at my power plant negativly affect anything?

[rugged trail]

no its not. pumps dont stack. only use if necessary

[zenith pecan]

Yes, just space them so their head lift will attain the heights you want.

[abstract heron]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5MDfAOgNpTBIdsu4KgCm

[lime ermine]

All the caternium I've used up to now is 1 1200/min deposit. Now I need 3000 for my power plant. Yay :(

[abstract heron]

ik link but its what i am going by

[rugged trail]

no just power instability due to your coal miner working sporadically

[surreal ingot]

As it is it’s kinda eh on efficiency. What you see right there has 4 nodes, and only one of them is being used because I couldn’t figure out how to use all 4 without making it look like a meme

[zenith pecan]

Multiple pumps on top of each other, nope, only the end one will do anything at that.

[surreal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-satisfactory-satis-factory-gif-13296165766158799746

Like this

[rugged trail]

id rather be a meme than be inefficient but oh well

[surreal ingot]

Oh it just sends the link

[abstract heron]

turbofuel lines are 487 per minute then i do 360 due to what ever at dived by 60 then 600 line for RF

[surreal ingot]

I want it to at least look good you know

[abstract heron]

then i do last 127 ish of turbofuel to the last last RF stuff

[rugged trail]

as i said its fine if thats your goal so cheer up

[wanton lance]

so when I hit e on the on a power pole and it has a max cons of 80 mw and a capacity of 600 does that mean the effective power I can use is 520 mw?

[surreal ingot]

It also isn’t well placed, which is why I’m thinking I’m gonna restart when I get on tonight

It’s literally on a tight cliff opening

[rugged trail]

nothing some foundations cant fix

flatten the place

[zenith pecan]

Man that is a seriously complex build.

[surreal ingot]

I still haven’t figured out how to efficiently make concrete yet

[abstract heron]

it took me since mid feburary or early march to get started

[zenith pecan]

You have actually more rocket fuel output than I do and mine produces a shit ton of power.

[rugged trail]

no your effective power has to do with current cons. max just shows how much you could potentially use. its always good to have more cap than max cons to prevent blowouts

[abstract heron]

its alll bluecrater lake stuff

[abstract heron]

make a little factory and go away for a few hr like a mini walk and come back

early game u will be waiting for items for a while

[rugged trail]

dont need to. just dedicate a node to concrete, hook a chest and forget about it. come back 30 mins later and youll have all the concrete in the world,inefficient or not

[abstract heron]

i jsut do a bunch of storage and come back when its full

[surreal ingot]

Honestly I make all the base stuff really fast with what I have set up except concrete

[wanton lance]

why is capacity not max

[surreal ingot]

I do this but it never seems to make much

[rugged trail]

yeah i agree concrete is a pain early game. the only solution is more miners and nodes

[rugged trail]

either due to your machines not getting enough ingreds to work or having full output. both makes them go on standby which uses less power

[zenith pecan]

This is my plan #math-and-meta message , multiply it by three though, this setup is in the basement of each tower, not all the blue craters oil is used, some is going to the swamp coking plant for aluminium ingots, I aimed to keep the whole thing simple, the compact coal byproduct is sent to a nearby foundry to make just over 4k steel ingots.

[rugged trail]

id love that if not for the horrible lag i get when playing multi

[abstract heron]

i might might went overboard

[rugged trail]

no can do sorry. gotta play it solo

[abstract heron]

what huh

[rugged trail]

so do i champ

[zenith pecan]

So many decimals, it doesn't take much to trip the whole system over, one reason I targeted whole numbers, each tower has 240 generators, running at 240% (uses 10 each) to use an exact 2400 rocket fuel which each basement creates, it saves me having weird numbers causing catastrophic stalls.

[abstract heron]

i think i have to little or annoying numbers issue

[rugged trail]

i never faced any weird numbers when making rocket, no matter the recipe. maybe something isnt mathing right?

[hard ivy]

decimals don't really matter. a number is a number

[zenith pecan]

Possibly, vast systems are a nightmare though, remember this place from early access: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvTc93T8-G4 , I worked out my maths based on 4000 turbofuel, bloody thing actually produced 3996 ...

[rugged trail]

it does if you're doing precise distributions. cause me a lot of pain for alu prod

[hard ivy]

then don't

[zenith pecan]

My choice of recipes should simplify my aluminium, 12300 bauxite in, 12300 ingots out, and wastewater for pure copper to send on to particle accelerators as copper powder.

[rugged trail]

sure. then the last producers dont get enough ingreds while earlier ones overflow/fill for 300 hrs till the entire system adjusts. slowly... painfully

[abstract heron]

anyway to fix it

[rugged trail]

did the same later on in the game when i remade the entire alu prod. works great

[rugged trail]

if only i knew what we are handling here i would

[zenith pecan]

It's the whole reason for the coking plant, I want coal for diamonds, and if I use coal, I get weird numbers and fewer aluminium ingots.

[rugged trail]

i used oil then turbofuel one later. worked pretty well since i already had everything i needed from my previous setup

[abstract heron]

i am making a ton of power to get started with other little projects rubber plastic factory among others before nuclear then other stuff

[hard ivy]

never did any precise distribution and never had to wait a painfully long time for anything to work itself out. the longest are nuke plants, and it always takes me longer to fix my mistakes than for them to level out

[rugged trail]

thats nice. i like the control more though. leaves less room for error and faster troubleshooting if something acts up

[zenith pecan]

I need to decide how to output the coke, around 2000 of it is going to particle accelerators for diamonds, the rest for bauxite, designing the feed is being a pain.

[rugged trail]

alright what kind of power? fuel generators from extra residue?

[abstract heron]

Resin is just getting sink for now

[rugged trail]

having some raw material numbers and some objective output would be a good starter, along with any recipes youd like to specify to use

[abstract heron]

oil to HOR then to blenders for fuel then refinery in compact coal then basic RF recipe

[rugged trail]

ah gotcha

how much oil are we talking here?

[abstract heron]

2550

the much is in blue crater lake

[rugged trail]

alright. you can get 3400 hr and 1700 resin from it, with 6800 water youll get 6800 fuel, then you can turn that to 5666.666 turbo with 4533.333 comp coal, then ti 9444.444 rocket with 944.444 nitric and it gives back 944.444 comp coal as well which totally uses 3777.777 nitrogen,944.444 water and 314.814 iron plate.

with all that you'll get 566.2gw of power

[abstract heron]

i am only doing atm 420,000mw at best ish

[rugged trail]

well thats no good

[abstract heron]

i did 960 fuel gens

[rugged trail]

for some reasons i think you can power up to 2264 fuel gens with this if they all produce at max cap

[abstract heron]

i am trying to figure out doing max atm

leaving it running for a few hr at best seeing and i proballyy have to redo the belts for compact coal

[rugged trail]

wait that can only give 240gw max. you sure you didnt misstype your output?

[abstract heron]

i have 96 blenders atm

[rugged trail]

well it wont hurt checking the producers to see which ingred is falling short

[abstract heron]

the last few are cause 487dived by 60 is 8 so the 6 are going in then extra is going to the end end is getting 127 TB

[rugged trail]

if those are for rocket then that'll be 9600 rocket at max cap, which is more than enough

[abstract heron]

some pipes are not getting enough TF atm

TB AND TF are meant turbofuel

[rugged trail]

alright, are turbo producers stalled for any reason?

[abstract heron]

i think so some fuel lines are not having enough IDK and some HOR are full

some machines in HOR way are full

[rugged trail]

so the heavy residue is fulled out but there isnt enough fuel being produced to feed the turbo... maybe check the water supply or the fuel pipes logistics? you might be pushing the pipes too far

[abstract heron]

i did 68 blenders for fuel

[rugged trail]

which is precise

but that means you need to move 3400 heavy residue into them, meaning you need 6 different mk2 pipes for the job

[abstract heron]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5MDfAOgNpTBIdsu4KgCm i followed dis minus RF to add the 2 extra on the ends

i did 75 HOR refinerys

excuse me i meant 85

[rugged trail]

thats precise. the problem isnt the heavy residue, its either the water or the fuel logistic pipes

[abstract heron]

going up water i have 4 or 8 pumps on 1 line

[rugged trail]

thats no good. how far up are you pumping those waters?

[abstract heron]

14 to 15 with 4m wall highet

[rugged trail]

that is accurate and correct

[abstract heron]

some water extractors are OFF WHAT

[rugged trail]

alright so its enough

[rugged trail]

yep found the problem lol

[abstract heron]

lets see

oh past me

[wanton lance]

why do people have belts make 90 degrree turn instead of going fastest angle

[abstract heron]

i had once over 1000 fuel gens but i was doing 2lines for 6 fuel gens so i took those out 120

[zenith pecan]

That'll explain the shortage of water.

[abstract heron]

OH PAST ME 😂

[rugged trail]

dont blame yourself. connecting over 70 water extractors is not easy. you're bound to miss some

[abstract heron]

all att 300 per minute

[rugged trail]

clarity and neatness mostly

[abstract heron]

is there a video tmr

[zenith pecan]

Urgh 🤦‍♂️ I just had to move an entire refinery cluster two metres to the south because they wouldn't line up with the belt feeds.

[abstract heron]

also some of the lines are not at 600 per minute so i need to take a look at that

[woeful yarrow]

welcome to Satisfactory :p

[abstract heron]

hi munin hows life

[zenith pecan]

Tell me about it, I hadn't realsied I mis-placed them during the initial rush to construction.

[abstract heron]

is having 2 pumps going up for a wall is that good

[rugged trail]

i always prefer to do 600 since it turns out pretty neatly with 5 extractors since i hate using power shards on anything that isnt a node

[rugged trail]

as long as you respect the max head lift you're fine

[abstract heron]

at 31.7 for turbofuel pumps

[rugged trail]

so its fine

if it isnt capping you dont need to add another one

[abstract heron]

1st of pumps at 49.2 2nd is at 8.0m

[rugged trail]

thats pretty good

[abstract heron]

1st oil pump at 52.4m

2nd is at 14.3m

3rd is at 6.5m

17 for 4m wall hieght for oil pumps

[rugged trail]

maybe consider removing this if the second pump is mk2?

[abstract heron]

3mk2 or 4mk2

give me ONE SECOND showing a pic

[rugged trail]

mk2 pumps have a max headlift of 50 i think, so unless you are reaching that limit then theres no need for extra pumps. it just handicaps the previous pump for no reason

[abstract heron]

in #math-and-meta

[median frigate]

hey i've got 3 oil extractors, one of em is much lower in elevation. is the bug still in the game where the 2 higher extractors allow the lower one to pump fluid regardless of head lift?
or did they fix it, and i'll need to put a pump there

[swift kernel]

You can use Liquid biofuel for the chainsaw, right?

[leaden turret]

I would say no, but I haven't checked in quite a while

[swift kernel]

This makes me angy

[leaden turret]

you could use the liquid biofuel to aid deforestation by using the jetpack to yeet nobelisks from above

[swift kernel]

Yes, but then I would run out of biofuel

[leaden turret]

you can make biofuel from creature parts

[swift kernel]

And I'll be damned if I don't burn down as much of the environment as possible

It's not the same if it's not fueling industry

[rugged trail]

i think you can

[swift kernel]

See I thought so

[leaden ether]

Hm. I saw the other day that there was supposed to be 103 sloops to find? I can only account for 75 plus one sloop that I cannot find on the interactive map site.

[rugged trail]

i did it just fine in the east side oil fields

[swift kernel]

Because back in alpha/beta, they didn't even have solid biofuel. It was just called biofuel, and came in the packaged liquid biofuel form.

[leaden turret]

The Chainsaw uses Solid Biofuel as fuel. It consumes 75 MW and Solid Biofuel has 450 MJ of energy, therefore one Solid Biofuel is consumed every six seconds.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Chainsaw#Fuel_consumption

[rugged trail]

the rate of biofuel production is actually insane if you use alien protein stuff

[swift kernel]

But what about my dna points?

[rugged trail]

ah so i was mistaken

[swift kernel]

How will I afford all my schematics?

[rugged trail]

go farm some spiders in the forest or caves

[swift kernel]

But they're scawy

[hard ivy]

sinking parts. I've never sank a single dna capsule

[swift kernel]

Weird flex, but ok.

[rugged trail]

maybe the hatchers? those are easy to kill

[leaden turret]

fuel your chainsaw with pork chops

[swift kernel]

I'm just teasing, I don't care

[swift kernel]

The American Way

[rugged trail]

neither did i but i did make hella biofuel outta them

[rugged trail]

no that would be with crude oil

[hard ivy]

I have 2.5 industrial containers of solid biofuel

[leaden turret]

mythbusters proved meat can be used as rocket fuel

[swift kernel]

Just raw crude oil. Don't even process it

[hard ivy]

leaves and wood only lol

[rugged trail]

at some point production turns to compulsion. i think you're way past that point

[abstract heron]

power atm at 430,000MW or 441,000MW at best

[rugged trail]

bald eagle screams in the background

[leaden turret]

bald eagle red tailed hawk

[wanton lance]

for these setups does it matter if you have more or less ores going into it them?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ju2_1sUj0&t=497s

[slim ocean]

Hover pack + building powerlines as you go + cluster nobelisks = What forest?

[rugged trail]

that would be a warcrime if ficsite wasnt dominating the world

[hard ivy]

Nukes are better for that probably

[slim ocean]

Not as much as you may think, but more fun to watch them going off one after the other.

Fun fact: The Space Giraffe-Tick-Penguin-Whale Thing takes TWO nuke nobelisks to kill.

[rugged trail]

tough ass tall cockroach

[slim ocean]

Lol

[rugged trail]

more ores wont make much difference unless you scale, but less might bottleneck your production hard based on how you distribute the ores between smelters. use with caution

[swift kernel]

This person knows his film history

[sullen gull]

o/ all

[swift kernel]

Hey fucko

How are you today?

[sullen gull]

Doin alright, bit drained. Yourself?

[swift kernel]

Same, but a bit more literally, since I donated plasma today

[sullen gull]

Oof, yeah, that'll do it

[rugged trail]

drained physically but filled emotionally. good work

[swift kernel]

I'm drained emotionally too, but I'll take the affirmation anyways, since you offered it

[rugged trail]

a drop of hope for a desert is still better than nothing. at least you got to help some other fella

[sullen gull]

Heh, and filled financially 😏

[swift kernel]

Gotta make rent somehow

[sullen gull]

TThough, jobs usually work 😏

jests of course

[swift kernel]

If only I could get one of those. (I supposedly have one lined up but we'll see)

[sullen gull]

Fingers crossed!

[pliant prawn]

I lost my photomode folder again 😦 They arent showing in the right place per the FAQ

[swift kernel]

I completely forgot about fluttering

Just remembered

[sullen gull]

1.0 or 1.1?

[paper panther]

im guessing that there will be a dlc for a whole new map one of these days

[swift kernel]

Lol nope

[pliant prawn]

1.1

[vernal patrol]

no photomode in 1.1 silly

[swift kernel]

They've confirmed that the map was the beefiest content to make

[vernal patrol]

*1.0

[pliant prawn]

1,0 had it

[vernal patrol]

then what was changed in 1.1???

[swift kernel]

1.0 photo mode is hardly a mode

[vernal patrol]

ws it jus decoupled?

[sullen gull]

They are in %localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\Screenshots\Windows

[pliant prawn]

a looot of upgrades

[sullen gull]

No, sorta a whole re-vamp

With decoupled, filters, the dollly, and some more

[rugged trail]

you get paid for blood donations?

[sullen gull]

Plasma you do

In the US any how. Can't speak for other countries.

[rugged trail]

ah well its still a nice boost i guess

[swift kernel]

I got paid $100, but it's because I'm heavy and a new patient. Normally, you get compensated around $50

[sullen gull]

Soo it will all be a thing of the past now with Japans syn blood

@pliant prawn find em?

[swift kernel]

Prolly not, because the whole point is that they need to sample the population's plasma, right?

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️

[swift kernel]

Like, at least for the study side of things

[pliant prawn]

aye. for some reason they werent refreshing? like I had checked there but they hadnt shown up? IDK man they there now. Thanks!

[rugged trail]

its a horribly biased study if they incentivize people with money to do it

[sullen gull]

I just always thought plasma was the "more saught after"

[rugged trail]

maybe thats why they're paying for it

[swift kernel]

Like I think they said they can only use by blood for testing because I'm queer (Details are complicated, don't @ me)

[swift kernel]

True

[sullen gull]

No details needed, but that seems a load of biased malarkey imo

[jovial oracle]

How fast does a fuel generator burn through turbofuel?

[sullen gull]

Depends on the fuel

[jovial oracle]

Turbofuel

[rugged trail]

damn we got queer blood now holy hell

but honestly thats interesting

[rugged trail]

7.5/min

[swift kernel]

When they inject me with needles, rainbows come out.

[rugged trail]

sounds fun at parties

[swift kernel]

They have to quarantine it else the glitter gets everywhere

[timid rune]

Do I want Dark matter recrystalisation hmmm

[rugged trail]

yes

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch fuel+generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generator

[sullen gull]

@jovial oracle

[jovial oracle]

Damn, that's good.

I should get started on turbofuel then.

[rugged trail]

even better once you get to rocket

[jovial oracle]

Rocketfuel?

[rugged trail]

you could basically skip nuclear completely if you do it right

[sullen gull]

If you're making aluminum, I would get RF imo

[jovial oracle]

Haven't reached aluminum refinement yet.

[zenith pecan]

You can get a whole lot of milage with just regualar fuel, and even dilute, it isn't a stretch to convert section by section to tubo or rocket as you see it.

[jovial oracle]

Currently completing Phase 3.

[rugged trail]

yep good way to get rid of heavy residue, but it can be a lot better

[sullen gull]

Though, I guess you don't NEED aluminum .. I was thinking for empty tanks lol

[rugged trail]

good luck

[sullen gull]

Still have to remove all the repackaging nonsense. (hate that diluted is considered more "efficient" due to qty made, simple RF is much better ... again, imo)

[sullen gull]

Research under the sulfur tree in the MAM

[rugged trail]

i also prefer normal rocket after doing some maths. you could optimise it anyway you want too at such a low price

[zenith pecan]

I used nitro rocket for simplicity and solid numbers that I can work with with minimal effort.

[rugged trail]

i did so too, until i realised im actually getting robbed with that. so i switched. had to rebuild my 2 oil nodes

[sullen gull]

And, I personally love that RF plants can usually be setup symmetrically...

[rugged trail]

that too

[sullen gull]

One of my RF plants: #screenshots message

And a bigger one I did my first run through: #screenshots message

[rugged trail]

thats a very nice looking factory right there

[rugged trail]

this is the way

[zenith pecan]

You always lose efficiency for simplicity though, but the power station along with its support tower produces so much power I doubt I'll ever use it all.

[rugged trail]

thats true. afterall every run is unique with its own problems. and for my objectives, it was bad. but i was using it waaaay longer before i finished the game so id say its very very useful for what it does

[zenith pecan]

I'm primarily rebuilding for the sake of it, most of my factories which were skeletal temp affairs have been torn down, I'm using containers full of materials and hoping I don't run out or I'll have to rebuild more temp haha, I've completed phase 5, I just haven't launched yet because I want a cool factory first to video it 😄

[rugged trail]

me too. i basically had nothing to do till phase 5 finished and i had to make sin cells so i was like why not, so i rebuilt every single factory with new recipes that i didnt have throughout my run and by god did it simplify everything by a whole lot. never thought id need this much rubber in my entire life but here we are

[zenith pecan]

I have the entire spire coast slated for rubber/plastic, merely planned at this stage, not rebuilt, my current source of rubber/plastic is from my power station byproduct work, only 240 of each.

[rugged trail]

still salty that copper powder has no alt recipes. that thing really pushed me a lot

[zenith pecan]

Copper powder is the reason I won't be recycling the water at the baux plant, pure copper madness incoming!

[rugged trail]

honestly same. it gave me a big scare of water scarcity when i realised just how much copper im going to need

[cyan garnet]

nothing a bit of copper alloy can't fix

[rugged trail]

no that wont be enough sadly

[cyan garnet]

more pasta than Italy

[rugged trail]

exactly. im making the mother of all pastas jack

[sullen gull]

Heh, I'm sitting here for the last 10 minutes being like "wtf, why is water not filling my pipes? Am I having pipe problems for the first time ever? ............ Oh .... guess I need to add power to the extractors" ... 🤦‍♂️

[rugged trail]

happens to the best of us. you really lose focus when you do something 100 times

[sullen gull]

I had a catwalk run setup that was carrying the power to everything and forgot to reconnect power after I re-built it last night lol

[jovial oracle]

Yo radar towers are awesome wtf

Just unlocked geothermal generators, how do I use it efficiently?

[cyan garnet]

what does "efficiently" mean to you in this context

[zealous spear]

Is anybody else still annoyed that they haven't added a second back slot for the parachute

[sullen gull]

Or, at the very least, allows you to put that, jetpack and hoverpack on the hotbar

[zealous spear]

But I feel like having the back slot for the jetpack/hover pack makes sense but personally I use jetpack to get around the map more so than building bases and such so if I'm just jumping off cliffs and stuff I'd rather be able to activate my parachute without having to boat clutch it

[broken thorn]

Both use the same key to activate

[zealous spear]

true

But that's a simple keybind change or add

You could always add a second keybinding for it one specifically attached to the jetpack

[broken thorn]

I do agree they should make the parachute hotkey different but it would become less user friendly and I suppose not a lot of people asked for that

[zealous spear]

fair

[broken thorn]

Maybe if you add that as a suggestion in the Q&A site and it gets a lot of up votes it'll be added

[zealous spear]

ill look into it thx :)

[swift kernel]

Building out my factory basics in my Caterium Falls factory, so I can finally stop running out of concrete.

[abstract heron]

now i have thing of TO MUCH comp

[swift kernel]

Literally all my concrete that I've been using has been bare bones residue and like the first handfuls I manually shoved into recycling.

I'm finally running low and it's time for me to have concrete for myself and not just the random lint I find in my pockets.

[sullen gull]

Wet concrete in the crater in the grasslands, all emptying into an ISC with DP, never run out 😏

Err, mutiple ISC's with DP's. At least 3

[swift kernel]

That's what I was planning on, but wet concrete decided to never show up like a loser

[sullen gull]

Rat bastid!

[lime ermine]

If it makes you feel better it took me over 30 hard drives to get diluted fuel

[radiant breach]

Hello Brave FICSIT Pioneers!

[swift kernel]

I haven't even gone out to look for that

[lime ermine]

It's just rng

[radiant breach]

where would be the best place to go if i wanted to get tips on gameplay and buildings ?

[lime ermine]

Here

But if it's aesthetics you're after, #design-and-architecture if it's calculations for production #math-and-meta

[latent prawn]

just hang out and chat. ask questions when you have them 🙂

if you're looking for specific things, searching youtube will give you a ton of people with howtos on various things

[abstract heron]

yay everything is full now

[latent prawn]

i think a lot of yt streamers end up trapped in their own echo chamber about 'their super-awesome solutions to problems', but a lot of it is helpful to newer players nonetheless

[zenith pecan]

I've seem that a lot in my search for improvements on my own builds and ideas.

[jovial oracle]

Should I automate Modular Engines and Adaptive Control Units?

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'm not trying to badmouth any of them or anything. its just that when you form a community of people who follow you, there isn't an egalitarian sharing of ideas, that kind of leads to the trap i was mentioning

[latent prawn]

yes to both eventually, but which you should do first is probably more what you're asking. my though is mod engines are the lower hanging fruit

[zenith pecan]

Tbh I've been guilty of doubling down on poor ideas, the results have been some epic fails that took weeks to build and several days to demolish.

[abstract heron]

i have the excess comp going on overflow to sink

[latent prawn]

yeah, we all suffer from that a bit

[jovial oracle]

Okay.

[latent prawn]

in games like this, there really aren't any rights or wrongs, but i've noticed that there's like a few different quantization levels of skill.

and then there's just stuff regarding what people enjoy doing with the game

[zenith pecan]

I spent the past few hours trying to sort out that damned coking plants outputs, I'll route it another time, I really needed to take a break.

[latent prawn]

some people are content to design the best truck stop that wins all sorts of architecture awards, then there's people who want everything to run at 100% efficiency all the time and then those in between

[jovial oracle]

I spanked my truck.

It ran over me.

ggs

[radiant breach]

Thank you

Ladies and gentlemen, i have built my first ever train

it is absolutely crude as hecc, but its a big upgrade :)

[cyan garnet]

choo choo mfer

[radiant breach]

YES

i loved that when the ADA popped up with that

[surreal ingot]

I can’t wait until I get train

I haven’t even gotten the truck yet

[radiant breach]

as soon as i finally decided to make the journey to set up a road to my Oil Refinery. and actually build the refinery, the Milestones started booming quickly

[abstract heron]

yay problem the ends of turbofuel are not going down fast enough is that okay

i am testing now to see before blenders to add a pump to see if they go father down

[cyan garnet]

"going down" meaning down vertically? or along a flat manifold?

[latent prawn]

the tractor is useful in the early game for centralizing what small factories make into one place. the truck isn't all that great except for some targetted high-volume last mile sorta cargo moving

[abstract heron]

YAY i am at now 487,000MW or 490,000MW at best WOOT

i might break actually 495,000MW 😮 😮

😮

[latent prawn]

making more power than i am atm 🙂

[sullen gull]

Lol, waay same

Havn't even broke 100 (though no need atm)

[latent prawn]

i only have a 3 gw coal & 120gw rf plant atm along with some geotherm and APA

[abstract heron]

now i am at 500,000MW at best

502,000MW i added pumps before the blenders

[sullen gull]

That with thermal?

[abstract heron]

507,000MW wow

960 Fuel gens doing 600MW each in 60 in each row

[sullen gull]

geothermal*

[latent prawn]

my numbers don't include geotherm if you were asking me

[abstract heron]

i am debating on adding a other 120 fuel gens at 600MW each

[sullen gull]

I was not lol. But same, I hate seeing that fluctuation lol. Only 95,850 here. But I want to see that number stay constant

[latent prawn]

i gave up caring once i started making pasta/diamond/ficsite

[sullen gull]

That only fluctuates the consumption. That one I don't care, as long as it's way below created.

[latent prawn]

tbh, i haven't branched out to much of the map yet. i started in dune desert and there's just so much stuff there

i pushed down into the swamp to build starter aluminum and have most of the spire oil being processed, but that's about how far out my building has gone so far

[abstract heron]

now i need to think my next project plastic or rubber plant or nuclear or DD base building

509,000MW at best i am making now

i am debating if i should do a 300 comp thing making just to help me in with the factory

[abstract heron]

at 492,000mw

i don't stream

oh found a other issue some of my machines are not going enough

do pumps help with flowrate @latent prawn @cyan garnet ?

[sullen gull]

They do not

only headlift

[abstract heron]

idk i might have to add a 300 line for sulfur maxeek just to help it

[latent prawn]

nope. flow is determined solely by how full the pipe is and its speed

[abstract heron]

compact coal is issue

[green beacon]

Is there going to be a update for the ass trucks ?

[abstract heron]

1.1 is june 10th and soon june 9th or june 8th i am making helpful blueprints

[latent prawn]

probably not, lol

i kinda get the feeling that nobody at css really wants to work on the vehicle code 😛

[abstract heron]

Should i add a 300 line of coal and sulfur maxeek to help my issue of comp

[latent prawn]

why don't you math it out and supply exactly what the math tells you rather than guessing or worse asking random strangers on the internet?

[abstract heron]

idk moonchild 😛

i need to do some thinking

[latent prawn]

i just kinda feel like it isn't a thing anyone really wants to work on

well, that's the push for them, yeah. means more sales

[abstract heron]

i need to see if having much is going to help it or make it worse

and also its a a later issue

[cyan garnet]

Did you not make a plan before starting this giant project?

What did the plan say you needed for coal and sulfur?

[abstract heron]

compact coal

[latent prawn]

haven't seen him on stream in ages

[abstract heron]

just a few not getting items 🤔

[cyan garnet]

🤷‍♂️

Dunno what to tell you, good luck?

[split prairie]

i saw this compact coal plant build on the wiki but im having a hard time replicating it, is it stil possible to do it?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/6/68/Coal_Generator_squeezed.png/revision/latest?cb=20221017172119

[latent prawn]

i think the hitbox on the coal gens changed in update 8 to disallow their close packing like that

[split prairie]

yeah, i seems like it. any tips on how to make 24 coal plants? just use the normal 8 coal x 3 water and just do it 3 times?

[latent prawn]

that's pretty much all there is to it. keeping them all as separate modules tends to be a good way to go

[sullen gull]

To keep it the most simple, that would be the best.

[split prairie]

im feeding them petroleum coke, first time doing like this. before that only with coal

[latent prawn]

i like building power plants as discrete chunks that all work independently; it means i can bring up & down pieces of the plant

[split prairie]

u mean like near, or foundation on top of water?

[latent prawn]

remember that coke has a different burn rate in generators than coal

[split prairie]

yeah, i checked in the wiki before planning their production. it said 600/min for 24 coal plants and 9 water ext

that seems like a really good setup to expand, the ones i was doing before were on land and limiting my space to expand basically to only 8 in that space

i just realized that when i started getting oil, that is just easier to build them on top of the water

[sullen gull]

Community propaganda imo. sips tea

[split prairie]

for now i cant even push that much, since still on mk3 belts but already planning for when i get mk4

tbf those numbers can only meet the requirement if the delivery is instant or belts always full, since its not accounting for the few seconds it takes for the coke to arrive on the building

so i always like to have some more extra

[sullen gull]

This is why you allow to fill before starting full production

Underclock many to .1 or put in standby

[latent prawn]

incidentally, in the picture i shared, each pipe network is delivering 900 water/min

[split prairie]

hmm didnt thought of that before

[split prairie]

seems cool too, ill try to do something like that tomorrow. bit tired now

not sure whats that related to but i havent unlocked that yet, still on phase 3

[sullen gull]

Each oc'd to 300 and feeding both ends and middle?

[latent prawn]

yep

[sullen gull]

I wanted to play too: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1377887063180837014/Screenshot_20250505-204250.png?ex=683a98d3&is=68394753&hm=4cac0789cc1394e944c005fc8c5f8d036951811357f7a9aa5fb0fc48a3b727f0&

[latent prawn]

because a coal plant is so simple and symetric, you can get away with such tricks

[sullen gull]

I mean, ideally you'll then want to start at the smelters and work down to figure out why 🤷‍♂️

[latent prawn]

i've found that aluminum won't back up if you keep the scrap output moving

[sullen gull]

Tbf though, I 'borrowed' the layout from someone else's' I saw.

[latent prawn]

what often plays hell with it all however is that right around the time you start building aluminum, you're introducing trains and get the hoverpack. when you have things connected to power switches, as the hovepack switches btw rail & power pole connectors, it causes machines to stop for a moment

[sullen gull]

Ugh, fak me, what am I still doing up ...

Heading out, night all.

[latent prawn]

tc

[sullen gull]

Yup, gonna do a twirly and face-pant into a pillow. Ciao!

[abstract heron]

i do sleep 😛

[burnt ferry]

my dismantling crates keep disappearing.. i just deconstructed a droneport on a rather clean area where i had build only foundations so far.. and that drone port.. catn find that freaking crate for some i even have ghost map markers on the map but when i go there it is like they are somewhere below or above me

[nimble whale]

same for me

lost a bunch of power shards early on to that when I started my current save

[burnt ferry]

fr? are you jetpacking

i feel like i broke my save somehow by messing with that setting about where the crates lands at

[peak harness]

ummm

hello they fellow fisct employe

[burnt ferry]

i set it back to on dismantle site but they still disappear

[nimble whale]

For the first ones I was definitely not jetpacking, standing on solid ground didn't spawn a crate

I never changed that setting so yeah

[burnt ferry]

ye in fact i lost a mercers phere like that

@nimble whale you on experimental?

[nimble whale]

yep

[burnt ferry]

me too

welll.. i mean i would have build them navigation units for ficsit anywys

[nimble whale]

^^

[peak harness]

Mechs anyone?

[tepid quest]

Why is my friend lagging hard when he is on my server? Like I have a good pc and good connection but he is lagging

[dense violet]

there's also any number of posts on similar issues in #1038092680493801533 , I'm sure it's been solved a number of imtes

[peak harness]

ava sass is the best part of the game

she keep most people sane while trying to unspaghetti their conveyer belt

typo

ADA is the only thing that make hte pioneer wanna colanize the whole planet

to prove her AI brain that we are the pioneer that will save humanity

The level of spite that make me shed a tear

For the Fitsit

Fisct

Ficst

yay

🎊

Now i want an ai wifu whre she clap in joy every time i unlock a tier

The second thing that keep the pioneers insanity in checks

[mortal ginkgo]

there was constantly a doggo around my starter area. I dont see him anymore

[peak harness]

the radiation gets him

[mortal ginkgo]

I didnt unlock oil yet.

[peak harness]

make ficsonium for him

[mortal ginkgo]

i mean I want to but the lil guy aint around for some reason

but there is a stupid bean because of course there is one

i think they got set in spawn points. its just that I never made the guy despawn. he sometimes came to look around and ran away after I pet it

[leaden turret]

[void wedge]

they need to add a mouse smoothing option for cinematic shots

[leaden turret]

controller for dolly mode?

[void wedge]

nono

on pc with mouse

so your camera movements are kind of delayed and smoothed out

[leaden turret]

1.1 = controller support

[finite latch]

is there a way to get drones to wait like trains do?

[steep scarab]

#screenshots

[potent berry]

You need a block on the other side of the junction. You always need a block after a path, but there also needs a path on the other 2 lines, other wise the path don't know what it is reserving.

The block signal tells the path signals what area they are reserving.

[boreal musk]

those rail doesnt need any path signal

[potent berry]

That was not the question. 😊 Guess he is learning. But yea, paths are only needed on really high trafic areas.

But 9 out of 10 times, block signals do the job nicely alone.

[potent berry]

One thing i really love, is when someone is asking for help and they don't respond to the help they get. 😅 Have a good day, i am off chat again.

[finite latch]

I'll take that as a no.. I have an idea how to trick them into waiting..

[boreal musk]

definitely not bcs im just lazy to do reply in mobile

[potent berry]

It was more to the guy/girl we helped 😛 Take care mate.

[finite latch]

I guess I can't trick them either.. does anyone else try to get their drones full? or do most just let them be half empty.. seems like a waste of fuel

even with the port full, the drone still isn't.. is this a bug or is this intentional?

[dense violet]

if they are moving the full throughput there is no waste

not really

[dense violet]

and the yshould be picking up as much as there is available

[finite latch]

they are not.. that is what is confusing me

[dense violet]

mods? 1.1?

[finite latch]

1.0 vanilla

[dense violet]

server?

[finite latch]

local

[dense violet]

as in it's a server you are running localy? or just playing the game ?

[finite latch]

just playing the game

[dense violet]

extra weird. try restarting the game, maybe it's just visual

[finite latch]

as unfancy as one can get

after restart no difference..

is the drone inventory smaller than the ports? its picking up exactly half the capacity of the port even when the port is full.

the max throughput I am getting is about 300/s

[pliant prawn]

I'm assuming it's normal/known bug to have weird behavior with vertical splitter connecting to floor holes? I've been able to make it work kinda sorta but it's annoying

[dense violet]

oh is that what you were comparing it to? every vehicle storage is less than their ports

I thought you were actually lookign at teh drone

[finite latch]

can you actually look at the drone?

[dense violet]

afaik you can click on drones to open them up like other vehicles

[finite latch]

err.. I mean in the drone

[dense violet]

their capacity is 9 stacks

[surreal ingot]

I should skip to tier 1 when I restart but there’s something satisfying about having a shitty setup at first and grind from literally nothing

[pliant prawn]

It takes time for the drone to load, do you have it's time set correctly? I messed that up a few times

It might be taking off too soon

[finite latch]

time set?

[pliant prawn]

Yeah you can edit it I think at the port. I'll be on in a bit and can double check

Trucks and tractors have a similar feature

[finite latch]

I don't see any settings on drones other than what its destination is.

I know trains have a "wait until full" setting.. I was looking for the same on drones

[pliant prawn]

I'm pretty sure it's a actual timer setting. Going to boot up in a minute

[finite latch]

with all current 'things'.. I am at about 300/m per drone.. and costs about 45 fuel per trip per drone..

so I'd need 4 drones and about 60/m fuel.. I feel like trains would be easier if it wasn't so vertical

[pliant prawn]

I mustve been tripping because now I cant find it either. My bad sorry! So they arent filling the whole drone inventory? is that the issue?

[true mulch]

I don't think drones have any timing settings

you can force trucks to wait at truck stops and trains have timetable settings

[finite latch]

no.. the problem is the drone is too small.. I thought it would pick up the full port inventory.. I can't see the drone inventory, probably because I am looking during take off or landing and you can't during that time

[true mulch]

aim at the drone in dismantle mode

[pliant prawn]

ohhhh gotcha my bad.

[finite latch]

oh.. I thought you guys meant it had an inventory like a train car does 😅

[true mulch]

it has an inventory but not an inventory screen 😄

it can carry 9 stacks

[finite latch]

1 drone is moving about 300/m and costing 15/m fuel.

I need to move just shy of 1200. production needs 1167.14/m but I'll just move a pure node.

but thinking if they are bi-directional, then it would cost less.

[true mulch]

you can have two drones on the same route, each drone owned by the one of the ports

otherwise a drone port can serve an unlimited amount of drones, but can only own one

[finite latch]

that would be about 4 drones and 60/m fuel to move 1200 caterium to the factory.

(using tempered because I want to)

its 389.047/m coke + 1167.14/m caterium = 583.671/m ingots

so if a drone is about 300/m
I 'could' send the coke instead.. put the foundries at the miner.. and send back ingots..

that would mean I only need 2 drones and 30/m fuel

[true mulch]

yep, that would be smarter

caterium and SAM produce less ingots than ores, so for "compression", it's better to process them to ingots

[finite latch]

yes, but I was thinking I didn't have the coke.. but technically the drones are empty on the way to the miner anyway..

if I wasn't going up the cliffs on the west coast, I'd probably just use a train.. plus its the first drone attempt since I learned I don't need batteries

[dense violet]

!WIKISEARCH battery

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=battery

[dense violet]

and however much you need. Like everything else in the game

[surreal ingot]

#screenshots message

Currently teaching myself organization

[steep scarab]

i need help please #screenshots

[slim ocean]

Iirc, it's like 8 stacks? I use drones for A LOT, but I also make sure the sending side is always producing at a higher rate than what the drone can transport.

When I need more than one drone on a path, I build a drone at each end and point them at the opposing port. Boom. Double the drones. Haven't exceed demand on that set up yet.

[finite latch]

have you used drones bi-directionally?

i.e. having both an input and out at each drone port

[dense violet]

ah, once again we're at the 'I can't be bothered learning how to use vehicles so they are bugged' thing

[dense violet]

that's easy, just have stuff in both ports

don't even need 2 drones

unless you need the throughput obvs

[pliant prawn]

the tractors do occasionally bug out though. Many times I've had to go shoo one along

[slim ocean]

Yes, but only to send supplies. One of my drone routes transports packaged nitrogen gas. I send empties and receive full back. I added containers to the loop until sufficiently stocked. Now I get full containers, unpack them, send the empties back. The reverse happens on the other end.

[slim ocean]

Vehicles are easy to use, as long as you are careful with your routing. I had one game where most stuff was transported by truck.

[dense violet]

a bit of practice yes

but that's basically everything in the game barring maybe manifolds

[echo hinge]

i can use manifold for water pipes for coal generators ?

[hard ivy]

you can't really use anything else. pipes can't be balanced

[dense violet]

aare you dying bruh?

[dense violet]

practically? no you can't
technically? yessss..... but very much technically

[hard ivy]

I mean you can set pipes up in a balancer shape and I think flat junctions split equally, but I sincerely doubt it's gonna be stable in the equal state

[dense violet]

if you set it up exactly like this you'll get that #math-and-meta message

but you need to have it start up completely fresh

like... its absolutely not worth it unless you're a mad person.

but it's technically a thing you can do

we knew this though

[slim ocean]

Kind of, a combo of Mk 1 and Mk 2 pipes and valves. That said, unless I'm balancing the waste output from producing something with input from elsewhere, I just run everything full open.

[dim field]

anyone got an up to date `tier´list for alternative receoies ?

[pliant prawn]

I think youtuber WhatDarrenPlays is the most recent? I never put much stock in those things though myself

[bold blade]

can anyone boost my server

plz dm me if u can

[dim field]

atm i am at an optimization run but i dont know all recepies since last playthrough was before 1.0

so i try to get a valid list with some info to each recepie

[dense violet]

the issue with 'tier lists' is that they are all objectively terrible

recipes all have their pros and cons that benefit different situations you find yourself in.

deciding to use only 1 specific recipe for any particular item is honestly crippling

[dim field]

well i use them based on what i have in the area

[dense violet]

(unless I guess you only ever make that item in one place in one factory but then you still have to pick a suitable one)

[dim field]

but like i said i need a list with all that are in game

[dense violet]

yes, that's perfect. But tier lists won't reflect what you have in the area

[dim field]

with a bit of info to them

[dense violet]

!wikisearch

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=undefined

[dense violet]

try the wiki 🙂

[dim field]

thats why tier list was in ´´

[dense violet]

what?

in any case all the recipes are in the wiki, and if you can't look at them to see the pros/cons I think they have some basic blurbs about them?

[pliant prawn]

best bet is either the YT guy I mentioned or I think maybe the other one was ValhallanPickle? try those guys

[dense violet]

you've been given every opportunity to get help fixing basically every issue I've seen you complain about but instead of takign that help you just cry 'bugged!' and don't improve how you play.

gl with things.

[pliant prawn]

pipes do be a PITA sandwhich. What problem you chasing?

[hidden sparrow]

Pipes are bugged only to thoses who do not comprehend them

[hard ivy]

pipes work exactly like the devs intended. it's just that what they intended is fucking stupid (why tf is oil a superfluid?)

[dense violet]

don't bother, multiple people have on multiple occasions offered to help fix everything from their trucks to pipes to trains. They don't ever seem to take the offers

[zenith pecan]

I've encountered that far more than I'd like.

[dense violet]

some people just want to complain to the world.

[tribal elk]

can i use drones entirely for phase 5?

[dense violet]

sure

[tribal elk]

i've developed an allergic rash to spaghetti and central storage systems

[hard ivy]

why would't you be able to?

[tribal elk]

even trains found a way to become spaghetti

[hard ivy]

it might be more effort than it's worth but you absolutely can

[dense violet]

I mean you can still use trucks and trains and never have spag or central storages.

[dense violet]

ah, once you start your own projects and build from an end point you'll run into much less of that

[pliant prawn]

bummer. headlift alright?

[reef basin]

so you want subjective opinions on a topic so that you can play a game in a way that isn't based on your preferences?

[tribal elk]

has anyone managed using trucks with launchers unironically?

[dense violet]

yes

delete the nodes that spawn inbetween the launch pads and it works

[tribal elk]

ha

[reef basin]

apart from a bug that was fixed way back and save-load bug we have now, there aren't any bugs with pipes nowdays

[pliant prawn]

are you moving it vertically a lot?

[dense violet]

bounce them up cliffs

[dense violet]

apparently there has been some issue that' makes getting 600 fluid pm to npps lately? but I can't recall the conditions for it

but also niche

[tribal elk]

are central storage systems worth it for late game?

i'd have to rebuild mine for phase 5 to not experience throughput issues, and it was so much work as it was

[reef basin]

depends on what you call "worth it", but dimensional depots are usually way easier to build and you don't have to travel to them to get resources

[tribal elk]

i already have dimensional depots set up for every resource so far

[reef basin]

if you don't want dimensional depots, the key is to not merge different items onto same belt, just have each item separate

[tribal elk]

hmm

that's a lot of belts

[reef basin]

if you have depots, why do you need central storage?

[slim ocean]

I've run into this. You likely have a pipe that didn't connect properly. Disassemble and rebuild each section one by one until it flows.

[frail sleet]

P1:
Iron Rod
Iron Plate
Wire
Cable
Concrete
Screw
Copper Sheet
Rotor
Modular Frame
Reinforced Iron Plate

P2:
Steel Beam
Steel Pipe
Encased Industrial Beam

P3:
Motor
Plastic
Rubber
Circuit Board
Computer
HMF

P4:
Alclad Aluminum Sheet
Aluminum Casing
Fluid Tanks
Iodine Infused Filter
RCU
Supercomputer
Cooling System
FMF
Turbo Motor

P5:
Time Crystal
Ficsite Trigon
SAM Fluctuator
Superposition Osc
Neural-Quantum Processor

MAM:
Quickwire
AI Limiter
High-Speed Connector
Rifle Ammos
Nobelisks
Rebars
Gas Filter
Silica
Quartz Crystal
Crystal Osc
Ionized Fuel

Anything missing for build gun?

[tribal elk]

because i dont like hand feeding items into factory systems

though i suppose i could and just be done with the phase quota

[reef basin]

how will central storage help with that?

you still have to pick the items from it

[tribal elk]

output conveyors

[reef basin]

splitter in front of dimdepot has the same effect

[slim ocean]

I want depots with outputs so I can just teleport stuff from the source to the assembler.

[reef basin]

same thing - put a splitter in front of the depot 🙂

[tribal elk]

that's basically what my current system does

topologically speaking

is it more worthwhile to aim for ionized fuel or just get lots of nuclear power plants?

[hard ivy]

ionized fuel is a terrible source of power and nuclear is only good if you store the waste. Rocket fuel is the current meta

[tribal elk]

interesting

i am getting a lot of use of my rocket fuel supply, but those damn particle accelerators are hungry bastards

[jaunty jewel]

helll

[tribal elk]

if i have to do more work on my fuel system, i was just wondering if ionized fuel was worth it

[jaunty jewel]

ionized is only worth for jetpack

[hard ivy]

converting rocket fuel to ionized loses power actually

[tribal elk]

interesting

good to note

[spice patio]

No?
Reprocessing to and sinking Plutonium Fuel Rods is completely viable.
And even the Ficsonium Rods are just additional complexity if you want to use the Plutonium Fuel Rods, just generating enough power to power creating themselves.

[hard ivy]

it's not just not worth the effort, you're putting in a shit ton of effort only to have less power

[spice patio]

But you still get the power of the Uranium and Plutonium Rods.

[hard ivy]

I didn't say it's not viable. it's just worse than rocket fuel

[dense violet]

imo they are generally never worth it, even before dimentional depots

[hard ivy]

true, never bothered building one

[tribal elk]

i got good use of my early game one, but it quickly spaghettified

[dense violet]

I have a central factory going up the tiers so it's mostly a non issue. Belt a few things in for production. But even with the few sattelite factories, using a hyper tube is very quick.

you only make a central storage situation if it's fun for you.

[tribal elk]

yeah hyper tube launchers are pretty op

provided you stick the landing

between dimensional depots and hyper tube cannons i bet i could just brute force most of phase 5

is it possible to unlock all alt recipes?

[dense violet]

yes

[tribal elk]

i cant believe they havent nerfed these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIfjfCCgb0

[pliant prawn]

dangit lol. I forgot I need a new steel factory

[hard ivy]

people literally asked for the boosters to remain when an update broke them and the devs obliged

[tribal elk]

fair enough. they do sorta obviate teleporters and (ironically) hyper tubes themselves

[pearl walrus]

Kinda makes portals not so muchba breakthrough anymore though🤷‍♂️

[tribal elk]

honestly, the fact that resource nodes are infinite and that there's no "structural integrity" or building clipping consequences set the tone for that

[leaden turret]

building clipping consequences:

surprise manta in your face

[reef basin]

nuclear is also fine, people just use "maxed world" as an example for not optimal nuclear 😉

[topaz cypress]

Hey Guys, recently i got many GPU Crash Errors. How can i troubleshoot this? does anyone has the same problem?

[pearl walrus]

Not again

[keen dagger]

Yay. 1.1 soon. Hopefully it fixes my train doors.

[lime ermine]

It does! I've tested

[keen dagger]

I can start showing off my 700+ hour world soon.

[pliant prawn]

Random thought, ElevADA pitch for a "hard mode": Recipies include alternates as requirements. So like you might get things that actually need a Aluminium Beam Alt instead of just a steel beam. Thatd be kinda neat

[lime ermine]

The thing is, the alts make the same item, it's just different inputs

[zenith pecan]

And differing numbers for outputs.

[lime ermine]

Yes

[pliant prawn]

no I mean like a mode that actually seperates them out. That actually gives every alt a unique object

[lime ermine]

The devs would not like that

That's over a hundred more items for them to code

[zenith pecan]

My coke plant exploded out of all context by the time I finalised its plan, bloody thing outputs time crystals and fabric as well as the coke for the bauxite refinery 🤣

[lime ermine]

Nice

[pliant prawn]

wai wha? like its bugged the heck out?

[zenith pecan]

One plus, its tamed a chunk of the swamp 🙂

[leaden turret]

go on the modding discord and ask how much of a headache it would be to replace all the recipes

[dense violet]

make a qna post wit hdetails

[topaz cypress]

what?

QNA?

[dense violet]

questions and answer

[topaz cypress]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533 ? 😄

[dense violet]

yes..

[storm girder]

is there a way to change conveyor direction?

[leaden turret]

only while building, not afterwards

[storm girder]

well im building it

its super long

for few kilometers

but now i cant connect it to the miner for some reason

its not connectet to anything on the other end

maybe conveyor lift broke something

[tribal elk]

the holographic arrows show the direction

[storm girder]

can i change it or im stuck?

[tribal elk]

km long conveyors are usually the point to consider other means of transportation

[dense violet]

if you're already built it, as signpost said, you cannot change it

eh long belts are fine. You just need to build them in teh right direction

[storm girder]

thats annoying haha

[tribal elk]

that said, upper tier conveyors are mathematically the more efficient option, even over distance

at least, so i'm told

[jade glade]

I have an issue on my save in satisfactory. When I spin the camera, it just blocks at some point. When I jump at conveyor belt then the camera just points straight up. Has anyone encountered this issue before?

[storm girder]

i ddint know that conveyor direction was a thing even tho i have like 50 hours in game and i finished the game once haha

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> this (ability to propaget change in direction of already-built belt) hasn't come up on-stream in a while, is it still "upvote it on the qa site" or coming soon who knows?

[clever pier]

is wet concrete the best per machine for sinking water? its 100 per minute

(yes scaling up aluminium production)

[tribal elk]

just make a thousand industrial liquid tanks and pretend the problem goes away

that smile emote is the best thing by the way

[clever pier]

you could make a really long water train and then delete the train cars

that also destroys the water

[tribal elk]

ah yes the successor to the dwarven atom smasher

[clever pier]

ok well I guess wet concrete is it then

nah... I never balance my factories

yellow lights everywhere

[tribal elk]

just make wet concrete and sink it

[slim ocean]

I quickly discovered this. It's not worth producing for power or drone, but is worth it for your jetpack. Holy crap...

[tribal elk]

...or use it. but that requires thought and work

forsooth

[simple echo]

I think drones were a bad idea

[clever pier]

yes I was just asking if any recipe uses more water per minute per machine that wet concrete (as a sink solution)

[simple echo]

Ah, so I don’t have to rebuild my rocket fuel powerplant. Good

[clever pier]

drones save so much time when you reach phase 4 and 5

especially now we don't even need to make batteries... just use packaged rocket fuel for them

[tribal elk]

yeah they dont even seem to use much rocket fuel

and they haul ass with rocket fuel

[simple echo]

They are kinda janky and I definitely shouldn’t have one delivering copper
Guess I gotta build the train all the way there

[tribal elk]

i actually wonder if ionized fuel isnt worthwhile for drones

[clever pier]

yeah using them for ores is weird

[tribal elk]

process your ores into tier 1 or 2 items at least

[clever pier]

it only makes them go slightly faster than rocket fuel or plutonium rods

[simple echo]

I didn’t need much and I thought drones would be better in my particular situation

[clever pier]

not worth it imo

[simple echo]

I don’t send straight up ore, I send copper ingots

[clever pier]

they really screwed the balance in 1.0. nuclear just isn't worth it unless you enjoy building the cycle for some reason

i mean nuclear plants look cool so there is that

[tribal elk]

do you ever need ingots on their own for anything but trigons? i find i can almost always process ingots into tier 1 or higher items before sending them out

[hard ivy]

even before 1.0, maxing uranium was better than maxing plutonium, which doesn't make sense balance-wise

[tribal elk]

maybe the occasional alt recipe asking for an ingot mixed in

[clever pier]

copper alloy and other alloy alts

[tribal elk]

ya

i find i get so much base resources i dont even bother with alloys

but i basically make a neurosis out of low level efficiency, so i'm probably not the person to listen to

[clever pier]

also doesn't coke steel use iron ingots?

or does it use ore?

oh steel screws is the other one that uses ingots

[clever pier]

even for nuclear pasta?

the copper alloy alt greatly reduces the number of machines you need

[tribal elk]

i'm not seeing how

[clever pier]

it produces 100 per minute

[slim ocean]

Just build a lot of industrial buffers to store it, and occasionally go and flush the whole network.

[clever pier]

compared to the normal copper ingot recipe thats 30 a minute

[tribal elk]

well i guess you save on a few constructors

[clever pier]

so 3 times less machines for the same copper ingots per minute

[slim ocean]

Only for the jetpacks. Rocket fuel is cheaper in the end.

[tribal elk]

even if the drones are long range?

[clever pier]

considering you need thousands of copper ingots per minute for 5 pasta a minute 3 times less machines to build is significant

[slim ocean]

I found it to be worth it for the outpout provided. 4 plants doubled the output I was getting with a butt of fuel and coal plants.

[clever pier]

alien power augmenters also can double the output

with less pain to build

[slim ocean]

Yeah, we have one, but need to make the modules to feed it to boost it further.

[clever pier]

I think I'm gonna build a couple of nuclear plants in my current save just to see how much better I can handle it now I'm much more experienced in better builds

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[clever pier]

i will, after I unlock teleporters and build some to help me jump between my three main factories

[sullen gull]

Hypertube cannons ftw 😏

[clever pier]

those things have killed me more than once

[sullen gull]

Haha, same. Epecially when I've forgotten to switch to the jetpack 🤣

[clever pier]

or you end up getting flung off the map into the zone where you take constant damage

[sullen gull]

Btw, for any who hasn't seen, Mods should be workiing for 1.1 now

[sullen gull]

Yeah, hence the need for a jetpack to slow yourself down

[clever pier]

do invidual mods also need to be updated? or only the mod enabling library?

[sullen gull]

That I am not sure. I'm sure there will be a good few that need updating

I'lll just be happy if SkyUI is working again. Building iin the dark is no bueno.

[leaden turret]

B for Blashlight

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it kinda helps, But also with having global illumination on, it also doesn't. Plus the swamp seems to get pretty dark heh.

[leaden turret]

🔦

[clever pier]

I just build a shit load of light towers in the swamp

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I had some up, but that was making the 'non-lit" areas darker. I just seed to finish figuring out where I'm placing everything so i can start putting up some lights. May 'borrow' @zenith pecan 's light BP idea. Kinda sexeh

[zenith pecan]

The swamp is where my current project is under construction, I definitely need to build more lights.

[last jungle]

is there a pipe splitter like there is a conveyor splitter?

[hard ivy]

yes, it's called a junction

[sullen gull]

Nope

[zenith pecan]

Go for it, it is mildly irritating placing flat billboards at the right spot, but once done, the lighting fits pretty much anywhere.

[last jungle]

oh wait i didnt see that

thx

[stark bluff]

i wish i could send pictures, i have conveyor spaghetti

[sullen gull]

Ahh, I misunderstood. I thought the were asking for something that 'operates' like a splitter or merger heh.

[zenith pecan]

The dual array was a complete bitch to make though, having upward and downward billboards projecting light from within one glass foundation, without the raised bits on the back clipping and showing through each other.

[last jungle]

#screenshots

[stark bluff]

oh

[sullen gull]

Yeah, having them in the fame definitely seems like it just makes them easier to place/tile. Does it still ladd the small bit of extra clearance due to BP or is the clearance exactly the size of the glass floor frame?

[sullen gull]

I may bug ya later for details if I need, if you don't mind. Anyhow, gotta run back to work heh

[zenith pecan]

I have the prints built on the floor of the bp designer, that's why it was an epic cow to build, so no added room needed, just 8x8x1 that you need for a regular foundation.

The build method involved diagonal beams and exploiting the frame floor thickness of 40cm to line the billboards.

[sullen gull]

The frame floors are great if you need a .25 (or probably less) nudge up or down if you ever need.

@zenith pecan

[zenith pecan]

The frame floors came i handy for that, I also used the frame floors as part of the light, kind of conceiled the billboards, and replaces the useless bar i side the glass foundation, It makes the light non-directional.

[reef forge]

#screenshots message any takers

[green fiber]

Take em all

[hard ivy]

heavy oil residue, diluted packaged fuel (only if you're early in T5) and pure quartz

[reef forge]

alr

[clever pier]

i love watching factories that use mk 5 mk 6 belts

its like wheeeeee look at all that stuff go

[rugged trail]

even better when you slide off of them

[steady edge]

do explosive rebars delete the flora like nobelisks do, unlike all other types of rebar ammo?

[rugged trail]

yes they are explosives

[steady edge]

dammit...

I don't like to devastate the environment

[rugged trail]

i prefer them as the clearing method to nobelisks tbh

[clever pier]

yeah I wish there was a nob that killed enemies but not plants

[steady edge]

not even pulse?

[rugged trail]

use shatter rebar then. not as good as explosive ones but takes care of the job decently

[steady edge]

stun + shatter or just shatter?

[rugged trail]

shatter by itself is really good

[steady edge]

I see

[rugged trail]

i dont think the stun lasts long enough for you to do more than a single shot in. although i havent tried it yet. just gotta be good at dodging the attacks

[steady edge]

I just despise those huge spiders

[rugged trail]

me too. their jump got me killed the most. huge damage and the fast things just scurry off afterwards

[steady edge]

if they had a very precise spawn point i'd literally just build a cage around them

[rugged trail]

it doesnt help that they usually spawn in very tight places that wont give you enough space to fight

[clever pier]

if you fight them near power lines and have the hover pack its much easier to fight them from mid air

[steady edge]

there's a place that has like 3 of them, west of the map

[clever pier]

and dodge their jumps

[steady edge]

whithin like a 20m x 20m area

[clever pier]

when I explore I build power lines as I go

using the large power towers

[steady edge]

what are they used for?

except the electricity stuff

[clever pier]

you can only use the hover pack near power lines

[steady edge]

oh well, still a long way to go before I unlock that

i'm literally in phase 1

[south sinew]

it's also good for unlocking hard drives

[rugged trail]

nothing they just make it so that you dont have to place 30 power poles to get somewhere

[clever pier]

i just avoid the large spiders and large hogs before I have the hover pack

[south sinew]

and you can also use the zipline

[steady edge]

I like to build and decorate before moving on

[rugged trail]

honestly once i get some packaged fuel and some ranged gun with good ammo im set

[steady edge]

so this answer to this was that pulse ones also destroy plants and stuff?

[rugged trail]

honestly ive never tried any nobelisks. just seen my friend lob them around for fun

[clever pier]

cluster and poison nobs are the best

nukes aint worth it

and pulse is great when you just want to knock an annoying hog off a cliff instead of killing it

[steady edge]

I know that cluster destroy the flora

not sure about pulse

[abstract heron]

@rugged trail atm i am at 503,000MW and at best 506,000MW is that good to do for a while?

[rugged trail]

i totally forgot what you were even doing lol. remind me again how much oil were we turning to rocket again?

[abstract heron]

2550 into RF

2550 oil that is

i also found that SOME of my fuel gens not getting any power or stuff

[lime mural]

2550 oil what is all of that being used for?

[steady edge]

hold on, can you destroy rocks with explosive rebars, or do you need a nobelisk for that?

[lime mural]

wait are you using all that oil to make that power?

[rugged trail]

oh alright. so that will be...2550 oil->3400hr->6800 fuel->2833.333 turbo->4722.222 rocket->283.1gw

[abstract heron]

yes @lime mural

[lime mural]

she’s got math

[rugged trail]

you can also clear rocks with explosive rebar. as i said, the most useful thing to have on you

[abstract heron]

i have 302 refinerys for turbofuel

[lime mural]

your like a little america

[abstract heron]

no

[steady edge]

that's awesome!

[rugged trail]

its... better than before i think? last time i think you said you were making 400gw power whifh got reduced to 300 and now its up to 500. honestly? thats pretty good

[rugged trail]

i would still check every single producer just to make sure but i think its fine

[lime mural]

are you using one of those multi wells sorry i forgot what they are called

[abstract heron]

yes i am debating it to give it in my main system i found a FEW gens not running

[rugged trail]

alright i made a mistake its 6800 fuel->5666.666 turbo->9444.444 rocket->566.214gw of power. youre doing a lot better than before, although there are still some things you can improve to max out the efficieny, but youre basically 88% there

[abstract heron]

yup maybe i was thinking adding a other 300 COMP node

[zenith pecan]

Use Nukes! #screenshots message , go big or go home for clearance 😀

[clever pier]

what does "put down" middle mouse button actually do? It does nothing when I press it

[steady edge]

press it when you're targeting a building

or foundation or anything

[rugged trail]

well im clearing it to use it making it toxic isnt on the list, but if you're gonna napalm the wildlife then sure

[clever pier]

ok

is there a way to place the coffee cup in the coffee machine in the hub?

[abstract heron]

should i add dis just to help it

[rugged trail]

copies the building you wanna build. faster than going through the build ui if you got the building you want in front of you

[zenith pecan]

The radiation fades after a minute or so it's quite safe to nuke the environment.

[rugged trail]

the thing is are you really running out of comp? cuz last time you had mostly water problems

[abstract heron]

or balance not well

[zenith pecan]

The nukes in game do need more kaboom though, they're quite weak tbh.

[plain hatch]

That’s asking a lot

[rugged trail]

not balancing wont be an issue if they are all connected and you got proper rails. it evens out in the end. youre gonna need max 4533.33 comp for this entire setup. unless you have less then i think you should check for other problems

[rugged trail]

yes they are quite underwhelming for what they do. thats why i just use rebars

[clever pier]

lol

[zenith pecan]

Try clusters, they're truly full of stuff that goes boom 😀

[abstract heron]

One for my lines that are in 26 don't have enough material so time to think and look

[clever pier]

we got a microwave, coffee machine and faucet and all are useless