satisfactory

[dapper marsh]

gotta be in 1.1 experimental and press R to switch to the autoconnect build mode

[lapis crest]

Well that is. Annoying. So either i switch my entire dear world to an unstable build or i redo like 4 km of 4 layered iron rail

uuuuuuuuuuuurgh

[dapper marsh]

the update comes out on stable on june 10th

if you've already placed the blueprints tho you'll have to redo either way

[lapis crest]

June tenth is 2 days before my automation technologist exam. Ill already be too busy doing automation shit!

Okay so what i can learn from this is that blueprints are very smart but at this point not that smart...

Im guessing 8 pure iron mines will supply my factory atleast for the next 30 hours? Hopefully..

[reef basin]

depends how much ore you need 🤷

[pearl walrus]

Bleh

[lapis crest]

Okay i fixed it. Took less time than i expected 🙂

Okay new system is taking in about 20 iron ore a second. A good start for end of phase 3?

[last jackal]

What even is the basis here.

[lapis crest]

BIG FACTORY MUST GROW

Instead of sphagetthi. I just built one fuckhuge factory. Im guessing next playthrough i can do like trains and order it properly?

[last jackal]

"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"

[pearl walrus]

Good start for end phase is 70 iron per min

[boreal musk]

you plan from end product and how much resources it needs instead of guessing

[leaden turret]

Here be dragons mathins

[lapis crest]

They will probably not destroy my old save when they update it to 1.1 hopefully?

[leaden turret]

if in doubt, back up your save files

and game files

[oblique aspen]

game updates dont completely destroy save files, at worst some factories need some fixing, although i dont even remember if they did any recipe changes in 1.1

[lapis crest]

Ive got my Adaptive Control Unit production up to 90% for one producer now 😄 Very proud!

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> I remembered another question I forgot to ask; now you're back to two CMs, will there be a return of the content creator highlight? (assuming y'all remember where you put the google forms thing?)

[leaden turret]

flashback to when some people in the community deliberately didn't move their spire coast factories

[plain hatch]

Has anyone heard of platforms and walls not being placed or deleted properly in a dedicated server? They are just blue and then upon reloading the game they appear. I also delete walls and they don’t show client side as being deleted despite no longer existing. I’m on an indifferent brocolli dedi experimental. It’s not something port related is it?

[plain marten]

why my items in conveyor belts look fuzzy when movign and it also happens sometimes when im building stuff

how do i get rid of it

like this#screenshots message

[jovial oracle]

Do we have any higher tier buildings after the manufacturer?

Constructor, Assembler, Manufacturer, anything else?

[oblique aspen]

particle accelerator? quantum encoder? it gets a bit more specialized but certainly higher tier

blender probably even, strictly speaking

[next sluice]

So this storage teleporter mod looks fun same with bigger storages (I've only had the game for a short period I'm just a fan of modding games), did anyone find these 2 mods make the game less fun? A friend told me the random through the map through mountain conveyers is like 20% of the game. Even though I don't think so

[oblique aspen]

I would always urge people to play any game as-is before modding, you dont know what you might find more or less fun until you try it

[next sluice]

I just know so far I'm at t6 and I think the conveyers across the map seem the most annoying part but could just be cause I'm early idk

[oblique aspen]

build trains or trucks, conveyors is not the only type of logistic

[next sluice]

fair

[solid idol]

It’s fairly easy to avoid clipping I just build bridges out of foundations and make all my belts converge on those bridges

[clever pier]

trains for bulk, drones for high end elevator parts

[zenith pecan]

Or tunnels for everything if you want to just not deal with timetables and belt it all in straight lines.

[prisma thicket]

Not everyone has the patience to build their own tunnel system below the map lol

[frozen ingot]

yeah screw that 🤣

[zenith pecan]

Yet have the patience to build huge systems up hill and down dale that are far more complex in the end 😄

[prisma thicket]

Fair point. I don't have the patience for either, I just put down a "skybridge" of foundation high enough to ignore the terrain and build in straight lines or zig-zags to get where I need to go xD

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough, I do build causeways on the surface for a lot of in-biome stuff which has its own challenges, I'm not fond of building very high up, my power station and radar towers kind of excepted due to their function.

The radar towers follow one design language, a vertical stack of frame foundations, with a stack of frame columns inside, with a single power cable going up the middle and catwalk stairs spiraling up them, they make handy landmarks too.

Ancient example here: #design-and-architecture message : I still use the same build.

[ivory condor]

This is the way😎

[zenith pecan]

I'm having to wait until daylight in the swamp so I can target a tunnel shaft 🤦‍♂️ , I need it to come up just below the cliff face where the oil well is, so far so blergh!

That's where I'll be building the mother of all coking plants so I can feed the refinery that will be processing 12300 bauxite.

And SCIM keeps crashing my browser tabs when I reload my map to update positions and my location 🤦‍♂️

[ivory condor]

SCIM likes to do that

[zenith pecan]

Hmm, did they move the oil well? I'm sure it was higher up a rock formation that took me nine hours to get a tunnel shaft to before (the one in southern swamp)

[prisma thicket]

When was the last time you built a tunnel to it? Pretty sure they adjusted/moved a few nodes around when 1.0 launched, but I haven't heard of anything moving since then.

[zenith pecan]

It was a long time ago when I tapped the well, last time to produce ammunition.

[prisma thicket]

Hmmmm is it worth making a dedicated factory for HMFs or should I just sloop one of the manufacturers in my alu/FMF factory and send the excess for storage/DD?

[zenith pecan]

Hmm, SCIM crashing is a known issue and not because of the locked down nature of my browser & home network?

[ivory condor]

It crashes for me all the time

[zenith pecan]

I know it isn't very helpful to you but I'm kind of glad, simply because it means my setup isn't screwing it up, the Ublock, blocked scripts, and other crap I've tweaked to resist browser fingerprinting & the Pi-hole.

[ivory condor]

Or both of our setups are equally screwed up

[zenith pecan]

It's not me releasing my inner schadenfreude, more like simple relief 😄 , what are the chances we both borked the site though.

[rugged trail]

hello guys, id like to help with the translation of the game to my own language(persian) which has been done but was removed due to incompletion. however opening the dyno site wont bring the form for me to complete and im just faced with blank webpage that wont load. can anyone help me get through the process?

[zenith pecan]

I don't even know where to start with translation.

[rugged trail]

they did link a site for applications but the problem is that site wont load properly for me, tried on different browsers and systems but nothing works, so...

[zenith pecan]

Unless something about the site itself is blocked for some reason, a remote but maddening possibility, just in case, do you have a vpn to test with? (due to language, I'm only assuming you're located in Iran)

[rugged trail]

yes actually i do have a vpn, cuz everything thats not censored gets hit with sanctions so thats the only way to get proper internet access. maybe changing my vpn could help so ill try that in a bit

ah actually that fixed it

thanks a lot for the suggestion

[zenith pecan]

👍

[surreal ingot]

I hate trying to build around planetary formations

What do you mean I e got a pile of death crates at the bottom of this cliff

[clever pier]

this is why my largest factory is in the eastern desert

plenty of space to sprawl out

also build over the lake in the south of the central forest is a good solution

[next sluice]

Currently my base is halfway to the bottom of the map xd

[clever pier]

theres oil, bauxite, water and coal all at that lake in the center of the map

or close by

[surreal ingot]

I just started a new save and it spawned me of the jungle on a bunch of cliffs and that’s the closest 3 pure iron nodes

[clever pier]

the only thing the eastern desert is lacking is oil

[next sluice]

I like this area on the west side of the map, 3 pure iron 1 pure copper 1 pure calc 1 pure lime and 1 pure coal kinda close same with a pure oilk

[clever pier]

but you just go south for oil

[zenith pecan]

All of my bauxite is just under the eastern dunes, at the coast 😄

[clever pier]

bauxite under the dunes?

where?

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, all 12300 of it 😄 , at the terminus of a map wide highway that passes under the middle of the map connecting the worlds mines.

[clever pier]

oh you mean you built your bauxite factory there?

[zenith pecan]

The refinery is going there soon enough, I'm building a coking plant to let me process it all atm.

My choice of recipes, sloppy>electrode>pure, means I'll get a 1:1 bauxite to ingot conversion, I haven't decided on what to do with 12300 ingots yet, but quite a few will be converted to ficsite.

[sturdy mural]

guys if i have an unpowered fresh grid, (like unpowered, ever) and it says its 2000MW max, but there's OCs, will it rise up?

[clever pier]

i just like eliminating silica from al production even if its not the most efficient

[hard ivy]

changes in power consumption only apply once one production cycle starts/finishes.

if it's 2000 exactly, I doubt that's with OC/UC applied

unless it's 200% or 50%, then it could be a number without decimals

[clever pier]

flip the switch and find out 😉

[sturdy mural]

it's around 2000, but i don't think that's that important here
all i need to know is - if i plug it in - will i get blown away to death land

[sturdy mural]

thats what im scared to do because my power grid is so scuffed, it's 1 fail and i might be cooked

[clever pier]

I don't get this whole thing of building a factory unpowered

I build it powered as I go

[sturdy mural]

actually that makes me wonder
if i name 2 smart switches the same, could i have 2 separate far away areas powered by the same switch?

like in the menu

[hard ivy]

I build all of my factories unpowered. placing poles once everything else is down is much easier than doing it in the middle

[sturdy mural]

idk i like watching it spring to life slowly
and lets me wait till i get enough power

[steady glade]

im trying to make a water tower to get rid of my pumps, do i need the valve at the bottom on a flat part or can i leave it up top near the buffer?

and do i need the buffer to be full?

[hard ivy]

with pipes, it's best to keep setups as simple as possible

a water tower is the opposite of that

[sturdy mural]

it went from 2000 MW to 23000MW

wait no 27k

NEVERMIND

[solid grail]

Idk the awnser but there must be a tutorial somewhere right?

[sturdy mural]

i forgot it displays the whole grid max

[hard ivy]

did you 250% OC max sloop everything???

[clever pier]

why get rid of pumps?

[sturdy mural]

it went to like 3k instead of 2k actually
at least for now

[shell scroll]

I've gotten it working both ways, the key part is that the fluid below the valve has to be able to reach its [the valve's] output, which can be easier with it horizontal.

[sturdy mural]

nope
just did a stupid

[vestal mica]

i build all the power poles first. then i start squeezing in the buildings

[surreal ingot]

I need to figure out how to better setup my area I have right now

[zenith pecan]

Sweet, I got the oil shaft dead on target, I'm taking a coffee break, then I'm going to build the mother of all coking plants (with a side processor for fabric)

[steady glade]

there is a tutorial, the ficsit inc plumbing manual, i read it, then came here to ask for confirmation on what wasnt explained

[solid grail]

Oh i see maybe watch another tutorial? I fr dont know the answer.

[clever pier]

that ficsit inc plumbing manual was written before 0.8.... pipes have been changed since then

so not everything in it applies

[surreal ingot]

Honestly the best tutorial is to say screw it and keep trying until it works

That’s why my builds suck

[steady glade]

i posted in #screenshots to give you an idea of what im doing

[clever pier]

I just keep my pipes short and use fluid trains if I need to transport a gas or liquid more than a few hundred meters

fluid trains work fine with buffers

[shell scroll]

The fluid coming in needs to have enough headlift to reach a downward valve from that watertower. As long as you have that, it should work.

[surreal ingot]

Man I can’t wait until I’m comfortable enough building a starting base to get to the point I start caring about these

I restart everytime I figure out some way I could have made my base more streamlined

[sturdy mural]

guys this is fiiiine right? #screenshots message

[swift kernel]

Oh yeah, definitely. You know, if nothing goes wrong.

[steady glade]

no way this blows up and u take an hour gettin it back up

[sturdy mural]

anyone knows why the heck am i getting like 6 MW more power randomly?

[clever pier]

instead of restartings just leave the old factory sinking stuff and build a new one

theres plenty of space and nodes on the map

[sturdy mural]

like its 11500 but then randomly hops to 11508.3

and as quickly as it appeared, it goes away

[steady violet]

despite shipping last week, mine has gone in between several different fedex facilities within 10 miles of where it shipped from, now has gone back to the starting point and all tracking has stopped
fucking hate fedex with every atom in my body

[clever pier]

trains brakeing, they have regenerative brakes

[swift kernel]

I still can't believe this community begged for pipes and then complains about them nonstop

[steady violet]

why did it also take them almost an entire month to ship a single item that was in stock, only send it out on the friday afternoon right before a 3 day weekend?
they couldnt have made it any slower if they tried

[clever pier]

not everyone complains about them

[steady glade]

believe me im not complaining yet

[surreal ingot]

I mean I guess I just always feel so deflated when I realize it could have been made more efficiently

[clever pier]

pipes are fine

[marble socket]

They should do a merger with UPS.

You'd have Fed-UP!

[steady violet]

id take Evri over FedUIp

[marble socket]

Evri time?

[clever pier]

just don't build them longer than a 100 meters or so and wait for pipes to fill before turning on fuelgens

[leaden turret]

evri hermes

[steady violet]

[leaden turret]

(the uk's worst courier is still the uk's worst courier despite a rebrand)

[marble socket]

Hermits

[leaden turret]

last satis merch shipment came via dpd ireland

which I still haven't unboxed

[surreal ingot]

I like pipes

[sturdy mural]

hehe i'm in dangeR :D

[hard ivy]

I like the idea. The execution sucks

[surreal ingot]

I just don’t like when I can’t figure out why the pipes aren’t working and it’s because it’s barely too steep

[wanton lance]

in a manifold system how come sometimes only one of the belts between splitters at start must be mark 2?

[hard ivy]

depends on the number of items, machines, whether it's one or double sided...

[sturdy mural]

could you like rephrase??

[wanton lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ju2_1sUj0 this video at 1 min 18 seconds

[sturdy mural]

throughput
if you have like 4 smelters, that take 30 items / minute, you'll have 120 of total item input needed
so if you supply 60/m (mk1 belt) into a line that requires 120/m, you'll only supply 50% of it

thats why you need mk2 belts (120/min) to supply the line itself
and since the singular machien takes 30, a mk1 (60/min) is enough for it

[swift kernel]

Pipes wouldn't have made it into the game if one of the devs hadn't painstakingly programmed them in themself. I'll always be grateful

[surreal ingot]

To be fair I’ve only ever had the one problem with it

[swift kernel]

I feel like people forget that the whole point of this game is problem solving. So understanding why your pipes don't work is part of that

[worn haven]

I spent all of last night fixing my coal plant but finally got it running at 100%. Challenging but rewarding.

[surreal ingot]

Yeah when you find out why things aren’t working right it feels super rewarding

Unless you’re me and you realize the thing could have made the entire early game much easier and it bugs you that you didn’t do that so much you restart the whole save

I realized last time fully how biomass generators really worked and restarted to build a power grid from the start

[worn haven]

I spend more time rebuilding stuff then just building. but ya I am on a restart. Maybe someday I will get to the end game.

[surreal ingot]

#screenshots message

like here, this was what I came up with last restart

[reef basin]

you can also never rebuild and just build new factories

[surreal ingot]

When it’s done it can hold the 6 nearest nodes and several smelters and constructors for each node at one point

[swift kernel]

Yeah, building small prototype builds and calculating ratios at the start of a tech line is really important.

[worn haven]

Some people could.

[reef basin]

well, all people can

[surreal ingot]

I can’t

[reef basin]

why not?

[surreal ingot]

Abandoning projects makes my nerves feel like they’re being set on fire

Gotta tear it down and rebuild it

[reef basin]

I didn't say anything about abandoning projects though?

[worn haven]

Anyone can technically do anything. But that does not mean that is the path my mind wants to take. To each there own.

[last jungle]

should i have stun or regular rebar loaded in my rebar gun?

[surreal ingot]

So if you instead of fixing one factory you move to another and do it there you are absolutely abandoning a project

[hard ivy]

just keep using it?

[reef basin]

keep using it

[surreal ingot]

Yeah and then i keep noticing it isn’t as good or as efficient as it could be

And then my nerves are set on fire still

[hard ivy]

make it as good as it can be from the start?

[last jungle]

finally i researched nobelisks

[swift kernel]

Your technologies improve. Your capabilities grow

[reef basin]

which doesn't change how efficient buildings can be

[surreal ingot]

When you’re learning a game still that’s not a possibility

[reef basin]

it's not possible to read numbers and match them?

[swift kernel]

Except for mk. 2 miners and alternative recipes

[reef basin]

that doesn't change machine efficiency

[surreal ingot]

I just learned how to make a small power grid that lasts long and powers everything I already made, and that’s a base thing in the game

[reef basin]

efficiency is just that the machine runs at 100% of time

[swift kernel]

Look, I don't mind upgrading my factories. I just try to plan for that eventuality

[shut lava]

Rule 1 expandability

[reef basin]

nah, just build new, same result, no need to care about expandability

[swift kernel]

Like, I'm about to unplug my coal generators, because I really need more steel, and now that oil is unlocked, there's no need to keep relying on that system.

[reef basin]

you could also just find more coal 🤷

[worn haven]

never ends lol

[swift kernel]

But I'm not going to tear down those generators. I'm going to build a new floor.

[hard ivy]

When I have refineries and pure recipes, I do not touch any factory I build after I finish it. At all. No expansion, no rebuilding.

Before that, it depends. Might swap recipes for more efficient ones if I needed a factory but couldn't have the best ones yet and I need the resources I could save somewhere else

[surreal ingot]

I’m still learning the game so when I find out something can be optimized better than I have it it’s inevitable

[last jungle]

ok so how do i make nobelisks

meh, decently cheap

[surreal ingot]

I’m also simultaneously learning the building system so it also doesn’t look horrid

[reef basin]

well the point is that it doesn't really matter if a factory isn't "resource efficient", because you won't run out of most resources

[green fiber]

Keep in mind that tearing stuff down to rebuild it wastes your most important resource: your own time and effort you invested

[reef basin]

if you build new factory, you have two factories, one "good", one "bad", but it's still more than just one good factory (and it's also faster to do)

[worn haven]

It really just comes down to play style.

[last jungle]

i should really automate coal

alr lets spend my time doing this

[surreal ingot]

Keep in mind that my two options available to me, again, are tear it down or restart the whole save. I feel like this is an important part no one is listening to here.

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I spend a fifth of the time on phases 1-2 as I do on phase 3. Because before phase 3, all factories are potentially temporary and during and after phase 3 they're permanent

[green fiber]

Those are not the only options, but if you feel like those are the only 2 theres not much there to be helped with

[prisma thicket]

Or just leave it and build it againt but better in a new area, once you have that then you can tear it down if you so choose.

[reef basin]

we are telling you that you have more options

[surreal ingot]

Gonna just relink this message since everyone seemed to miss it

#satisfactory message

[green fiber]

Its not abandoned its "done"

You finished it. Its doing its job

[last jungle]

wait guys how does /wikisearch work?

[green fiber]

If you feel like everything is unfinished the i kinda understand why your nerves feel on fire

[reef basin]

a "not efficient" factory (whatever that means for you) is still a factory that makes products, which is better than not having it

[surreal ingot]

And I will relink the message 3 messages below it too I guess

#satisfactory message

[fierce shore]

I was wondering did they change the resource nodes in 1.1? I was starting a new game in the Rocky Desert and was trying to figure out where i was using the map on satisfactory-calculator and the nodes i was near werent matching up with anything on the map

[reef basin]

I can keep linking my answers as well, but then we'd be running in circles. I've read all of those and replied to them 🤷

[green fiber]

Theres no helping here, you are trapped by yourself then

Your worst critic is yourself after all

[surreal ingot]

I wasn’t asking for help my dude

[last jungle]

i just got an alternative recipe how do i use them?

[green fiber]

Same as normal recipes

[surreal ingot]

Your replies are running in circles with arguments you yourself created. They had no bearing on what I was saying

[green fiber]

Open machine, select recipe

[last jungle]

ohhh

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch alternate+recipe

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alternate+recipe

[last jungle]

ok i just found that

[swift kernel]

It depends. But it's personal preference.

[reef basin]

what depends?
how is "I have more production" ever worse than "I have less production and I spent more time building it"?

[verbal swallow]

Does uranium "spread" when accumulate in storage?

[reef basin]

(and yes, it's personal preference, I just see tons of people burn out from constant rebuilding)

[last jungle]

bro i never have enough screws

should i make a separate factory line for them

[spice patio]

Yes, radiation radius is larger more radioactive items there is at certain location.

[hard ivy]

you can get recipes that do not need them stop making them entirely

[reef basin]

no, build them in front of the machine that needs them

[surreal ingot]

I still don’t know what these recipes are

[swift kernel]

Because this my fourth save file and I know when I'll judge it to be with reworking or not

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[swift kernel]

I love this game and I've put the time in to figure out my own design principles.

[reef basin]

I'm not doubting the "personal preference" part. I'm asking why it "depends" in regards of having more/less production

[reef basin]

there are recipes to get rid of screws, but depending on your preferences, they may not be what you want to do (or they will be)

[verbal swallow]

and lead walls are not in the game?

[last jungle]

why lead specifically?

[reef basin]

more items means more radiation

but the radiation doesn't "grow" over time. If you have 100 items, the radiation will always be the same

[surreal ingot]

Ain’t no reason for that

[reef basin]

for what?

[verbal swallow]

because it "blocks" radiation?

[last jungle]

ok

[last jungle]

i dont know physics/science well

[swift kernel]

Those coal generators can stay as back up. I'll keep the conveyor lines and pipes in place. But it's much more productive for those coal lines to be rerouted a third floor rather than continue sending them to earn negligible returns. I also keep my original steel setup, so it's not like production has halted.

[verbal swallow]

what you mean? Lead is questionalble irl? It is commonly used as shield against radiation rays

[swift kernel]

Cats aren't radioactive. They're gaseous

Hogs are radioactive

[swift kernel]

@reef basin

[reef basin]

finding new coal means you can do both new steel and old gens 🤷

[vestal mica]

I can not want an ugly or innefficient factory to exist more than i can want whatever it's producing

[reef basin]

efficiency doesn't change with time 🤷

[vestal mica]

i'd rather have no production than a production line i don't like is a perfectly valid way to look at it

[surreal ingot]

When I get home I need to figure out how to make this into a streamlined factory

[frail robin]

I’m running into an issue where my two trains delivering to one freight station are causing a backup due to the container loading and unloading time. Does adding a second freight port solve this, or do I just need to add in a delay for the trains?

[reef basin]

separate stations or platforms usually is the way to go

[fierce shore]

I was wondering did they change the resource nodes in 1.1? I was starting a new game in the Rocky Desert and was trying to figure out where i was using the map on satisfactory-calculator and the nodes i was near werent matching up with anything on the map

[frail robin]

So just add a second platform behind it?

[vestal mica]

when the "more" is coming from a factory you don't like enough that you don't care about keeping whatever it's making

[hard ivy]

setting the trains to only depart when empty/full minimizes the effects of the pause

[frail robin]

Even with dual Mk5 belts it’s backed up.. crazy

[reef basin]

if you don't want production of something, why did you built it in the first place 🤷

[hard ivy]

you need an industrial container on each side

also, you can never get 2 full belts in/out of a platform. well, unless you don't have train running at all

[vestal mica]

i did but now I don't or i want it differently and I want it build there.

i don't have to keep every factory i make

[reef basin]

you don't have to do anything 🤷

[vestal mica]

but I'm answering your actual question

when is having something producign something worse than not having it

and it's when i don't want it

🤷

[reef basin]

so, you're answering with "personal preference", which I excluded in the previous message

and mentioned in the next one

[vestal mica]

yeah, excluding how you want to play the game when discussing how to play the game seems useful

[reef basin]

if you're dead set on doing something, go for it. My replies are for people that are thinking about doing something and not being sure about it, or not knowing about other options

[surreal ingot]

Or for people who didn’t ask for help in the slightest

[reef basin]

I'm just discussing a topic that was being mentioned

[vestal mica]

he's basically a bot. there are certain comments that will trigger the same snarky comments every time with a shrug at the end just in case yo missed that they were being condescending

[sturdy mural]

guys they should make it that if you cause an explosion next to nitrogen gas node it blows up in a huge gas exlposion killing you

[reef basin]

nitrogen gas isn't flammable though

[surreal ingot]

Fr

[robust nymph]

Doing that keep breaking mine, and they stay in docking forever

[hard ivy]

because each docked wagon has to either be completely emptied or completely filled (depending on the platform setting)

[last jungle]

i have automated smart plating for my spelevator (conveyors and everything) lets goo

[white dawn]

Yeah, if you've got "only depart when full" on more than one car, you'd need to make sure that both are getting filled at the exact same rate. And even then I'd be nervous about underruns

[last jungle]

no harm in taking a fresh sip of ficsit bottled water

[hard ivy]

all of my trains are set to that. with a balancer on both sides, it works perfectly

[kindred pumice]

Sorry...

Ah, alone but not alone ?

xD

[vestal mica]

blueprints don't work any differently on a server

if that's the question

[last jungle]

alan walker alone fades in

[vestal mica]

so doing something wrong when saving it

[kindred pumice]

I know but the question is "what"

Maybe my brain is wrong

[last jungle]

finally le steel is le automated

[vestal mica]

hard to tell from the description. i can't remember all the exact steps in saving a blueprint although getting it into folders can be clunky

or subcategories or whatever

[sturdy mural]

guys is there like a way to have a one-way power pole?

[vestal mica]

you might want to use https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533 and put a screenshot of your blueprint UI when you are saving it

[last jungle]

wait can someone send me an image of a balancer?

[sturdy mural]

like i want to power a miner from 2 diffirent switches, but not to power the other switch

[last jungle]

i might wanna use it for steel products

[rugged trail]

maybe the optional power control thingy?

[hard ivy]

Here's a 4:3 for example
https://imgur.com/a/z2Y3kUg

[last jungle]

what the hell is THAT

[hard ivy]

And here's like a dozen different ones
https://imgur.com/a/all-balancers-252-reactor-plant-j8fEcRv

[last jungle]

might figure this out later but for now regular splitter build cuz what

[sturdy mural]

whih?

[kindred pumice]

I will ty

[rugged trail]

the optional caterium research in mam which lets you prioritise power distributions might be helpful but i never used it so i dunno how it would work

[last jungle]

why am i producing steel so fast

[sturdy mural]

i'm using it, and i think it just shuts down groups when power goes too bad

[last jungle]

wth

[vestal mica]

so you want a miner to be on power grid A and power grid B but have A and B not affect each other?

[rugged trail]

hm i thought it had a remote switch for those groups too.

[white dawn]

Heh, for sure; balancing all cars would mean that you've got the same rate going in to all of them, as I suggested. :)

[wanton lance]

dude I am trying to make manifold for coal generator but some of them the coal is nnot going in

[rugged trail]

no actually its possible to remotely turn off sections. you just turn it off/on from the priority power switch which has all the rest of the switches listed on it, just checked it

[swift kernel]

I mean, that's the dream, eventually.

Ultimately, I enjoy seeing how my factories evolve

[sturdy mural]

yeah
i have a coal miner that's shared between like a steel and space parts factories
i want to be able to turn on either one of them without having the other one on at once

[last jungle]

made my first nobelisks 🥳

imma blow my local spore flower group

[vestal mica]

i don't ever use the power switches. but could it all be connected with group A for steel, group B for space parts, and group C that one miner

then you can turn off A or B but C still runs

[last jungle]

why are nobelisks so close to where u are

[vestal mica]

throw it harder

[hard ivy]

hold lmb

[last jungle]

wait what

[sturdy mural]

you can hold throw to throw it farther

[last jungle]

i still missed im ass at this

alr i need more nobelisks brb

[sturdy mural]

dw you'll learn

[swift kernel]

Watching your factories evolve is a lot of fun, and also continues to gradually improve your design principles. As long as you don't go scorched earth, deleting everything, and really focus on what you need and what is reasonable to change, upgrading old factories is really refreshing.

[vestal mica]

i always have to aim slightly left. no matter how much i think i'm a gamer, when i let go of the button it shifts slightly right

[swift kernel]

I'm also much more likely going to make something visually appealing if I'm in that space over and over again.

I really enjoy blending function and form.

[vestal mica]

tequila, ice and lime juice for me

[last jungle]

wait do gas nobelisks kill spore flowers?

[hard ivy]

gas nobelisks aren't explosive so no

[last jungle]

bruh i wanted to uno reverse fart the spore flowers to death

[vestal mica]

you're trying to drown fish

[last jungle]

im ending spore flowers in my local area bro

[swift kernel]

I still love the spore flowers. It's such a great surprise.

[sturdy mural]

use both a regular and a gas one so it looks like it gets farted to mega death

[last jungle]

lol

[vestal mica]

yeah, use violence, not gas

[last jungle]

ill try when i have gas nobelisks

[swift kernel]

"Everyone gangsta until the plant stands up"

[last jungle]

ded

all my local surface spore flowers

[vestal mica]

spore flowers are like "you put wildlife on passive? I do whatever i want."

[last jungle]

ded

alr ima kill my random deeper spore flowers

[swift kernel]

And back before Nobelisks destroyed gas rocks and gas flowers, you just wore your mask and better hope you made plenty of filters

[last jungle]

because yes

bum

[sturdy mural]

i love slapping a pulse onto the flower, and as soon as it starts spilling gas, i just blast away from it, killing it too

[verbal swallow]

I never get used to the spiders....

[last jungle]

does litterally anyone like spore flowers

i mean the yellow firefly things around the flower prob do

[prisma thicket]

Better spore flowers than gas pillars

[last jungle]

why?

[vestal mica]

because the gas pillars are perma gas

[verbal swallow]

spore flowers over stingers - any freaking moment

[vestal mica]

you can sprint into the flowers and grab somethign before they go off

[prisma thicket]

At least with the spore flowers you can get away from them before they start spraying the gas cloud.

[last jungle]

my near sam node has 3 spore flowers and a stinger protecting it

[hard ivy]

that's actually very little protection for a SAM node lol

[last jungle]

fr?

[prisma thicket]

Take out the stinger, build a miner on the SAM node, power it, and then you don't even need to worry about if the stinger respawns or the flowers spray gas, you can just belt your SAM outta there lol

[last jungle]

ima try rebar gunning the stinger

[vestal mica]

there's a sam node in a cave that only has like a handful of the little stingers. little stingers just tickle

[prisma thicket]

Little stingers are fun to take out with a nobelisk, one blast takes out all the ones near it xD

[round crescent]

hi does anyone want to start a new world with me and just grind it out

im a mid tier player so if someone like me wants to join please do so

[prisma thicket]

#1201555265942724758

[last jungle]

the arachnophobia mode stinger kinda reminds me of nextbots

[wanton lance]

So i have water and coal flowing into coal plant but when I disconnect the power it stops

[last jungle]

it has nothing to connect to so it doesnt power

[pearl walrus]

Its almost as if you need power for the water

[wanton lance]

i thought the coal plant makes power by itself

[last jungle]

stfu sam node

[vestal mica]

it does. it needs to be hooked up to the network...?

[last jungle]

I GOT SAMMMM

YESSSS

[vestal mica]

make sure it's up an running and making power before you disconnect whatever was bootstrapping the water and coal

[wanton lance]

they are green

[vestal mica]

and are their power poles connected to the power grid the water extractors and coal miners are on?

[wanton lance]

I set up a bunch around it to power it all

[vestal mica]

maybe use questions and help so you can adda screen shot. It's not clear what you mean by "disconnect the power"

[wanton lance]

delete the wire to coal

[vestal mica]

from where to the coal?

from a biomass burner?

because you still need wires from the coal generator to the coal miner

[clever pier]

use biomass burners to start the water extractors

[sturdy mural]

shout out to the fully pure nitrogen node around bottom middle of the map
10 pure nods

[clever pier]

then once the coal gens are running they can power the water extractors

[glass ivy]

I know 1.1 isn't released yet, but now that we know when is giving me withdrawal symptoms even though I haven't played it yet. Lol

[wanton lance]

a bio mass burer to a pole, the pole has a wire to the coal gen when the coal went green I delted the wire and then coal gen went red

[clever pier]

the coal gen won't run if it doesn't have a power pole connected

says "no power" even if it has coal and water

[plain marten]

are titan trees destructible

[clever pier]

no

[wanton lance]

so I still neeed to make biomass to use coal power?

[vestal mica]

no

[clever pier]

only to bootstrap it

[vestal mica]

you need it to get enough coal and water into the coal generators to get them started

[clever pier]

but I leave the biomass burners connected because they only use fuel when there is isn't enough power from other sources

[sturdy mural]

if a nobelisk can't break it - then probably yes unless i missed smth

[vestal mica]

like there shoudl be connection between your biomass burners, the coal MINERS, the the water extractors AND the coal generators

once the coal GENERATORS turn green and are adding power the network, you should theoretically be able to get rid of the biomass burners but you still need all the other wired connections

assuming the coal generators are making enough power to keep your network up

[sturdy mural]

guys do BOTH drone ports need fuel? or if i have 1 fueled port and one unfueled, will a drone be able to cycle them?

[modern jungle]

can I kill an alpha hog by running over it with a tractor

[sturdy mural]

if you can ragdoll it - you can damage it iirc

so you can either keep running it over, or run it over till it ragdolls, then quickly hop off to give it a few jabs with a xeno zapper/basher

[modern jungle]

damn that was easy. I killed it by running it over twice

and it doesn't even attack back

[sturdy mural]

yeah they leave you alone in vehicles

[vestal mica]

just 1 needs fuel

[nova crown]

@warped oriole

[wanton lance]

I connected all the lines into a grid

[leaden ether]

It is possible to have a drone route that is longer than the amount of fuel it can carry to make a round trip. It depends on distance and fuel type. So you /might/ need fuel at both ends depending on the situation, but mostly not.

[last jungle]

why are 11 sam fluctuators actually kinda a lot

[wanton lance]

lol and towards the end the genreators dont even get coal

[sturdy mural]

so just 1 platform? yay

[wanton lance]

was I suppoed to use a pure node or something

[hard ivy]

or a faster belt

depends on the setup

[reef forge]

#screenshots message i love smart splitters

now the goal is to organize the rest of my storage

[reef basin]

you're supposed to get enough coal for it, how you get it is up to you 🙂

[wanton lance]

ye i just gave up tbh dont get it

[abstract heron]

back to problem world for my RF fuel gens

[pearl walrus]

I heard you could delete the drone slowmotion arrival through save game editing? How does one go about that?

[tall raven]

what is the most compact 2x2 vertical balancer you can make

it feels like there's really no way to make one without having some kind of belt or lift bulging out the side of a splitter or merger, not very sleek at all

industrial containers are great, they function exactly like what i want, but they're so big

[hard ivy]

ISCs are not balancers

[tall raven]

more like priority balancers

[hard ivy]

not that either

[tall raven]

which is fine, if what you have on the bottom belt isn't demanding as much as you're supplying, it functionally acts as a balancer

[hard ivy]

the priority can change upon save reload

unless something changed since I last checked

[tall raven]

i really want a 2x2 balancer that's no bigger than just 2 splitters ontop of eachother

hopefully with all this other logistics QoL that'll happen soon

[hard ivy]

but yes, if you don't care which I/O gets prioritized, an ISC can be used instead of a balancer

[hard ivy]

the smallest vertical 2:2 I have is ~8x8x8m

[tall raven]

that's one foundation yeah

[hard ivy]

I'm not aware of any method that could make it any smaller, except in height

[zealous pine]

containers like in the freight train platform split evenly between two outputs, right?

or do they not -- i have one belt and one lift hooked up and im wondering if it splits evenly.

[hard ivy]

if it has plenty of items to continue outputting, then it'll do both as equally as it can

[zealous pine]

what happens if it runs out? does it prioritize the top or the bottom

[graceful marlin]

still confused.. wasn't 1.1 already out in experimental? are they adding more stuff on 6/11?

[hard ivy]

no clue tbh. industrial containers are inconsistent so I'd say freight platforms likely are too

you're unlikely to run into a situation where that's relevant

you're never belting items in and out of the same platform

and trains dump all items at once

[hard ivy]

there's plenty of bugs to fix, so presumably they'll be fixing at least some of those. and who knows, maybe there'll be something new added as well

[surreal ingot]

#screenshots message

May have gone a little overboard with how much power I need

And I had a total 5000 solid biofuel already made and about antoher 10,000 being made

[prisma thicket]

Always better to have too much than too little 😛

[zealous pine]

well i made a identical factory for 10/min * 2 of computers, crystal osc, and circuit boards

[surreal ingot]

Lmao

[zealous pine]

so yes it was relevant for me and i need to fix it lol

[surreal ingot]

I’m only on Tier 2

I just grabbed chainsaw and I was in the forest

It is no longer a forest

Also I don’t quite understand the burn rate numbers

[vestal mica]

is it?

like what's the worst, fuel? a full stack of fuel wouldn't get you all they way across the map and back?

[leaden ether]

Yeah my first drone setup was only two points and 50% across the map and it used 81 fuel off the 100 max it can hold. If you were flying across the map or doing a multipoint circuit using regular fuel it would not be amout. Better fuels are much better of course.

[hard ivy]

trains transfer items a lot at once. priority is only really relevant when items move in and out at a different rate. a train platform is either completely full, completely empty, or partially full and filling or emptying. you do not get a station that's full and being filled and emptied at the same time

[zealous pine]

yeah i suppose

[vestal mica]

i think take off and landing is a huge part of the consumption. i see a guy did a test from grassy fields to the northeast most corner of the map and all fuel types made it

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message Better to have too much than not enough lol

[leaden ether]

There and back?

[vestal mica]

yes

it took just at 90 fuel for a round trip

there's not a picture of the actual map. maybe you could hit the limit for fuel powered drones

[rich stag]

quick question which map should i choose i already have some experience ? andi also want to restart cuz my save was bad

[prisma thicket]

They are all the same map, just different starting spots

[vestal mica]

if you're not aware, it's all the same map, just different starting points

[rich stag]

i know but which starting point

[prisma thicket]

If you're already familiar with the basics, maybe try rocky desert or Northern Forest, both have great resources with other challenges to starting your factory.

[rich stag]

ok thanks

the best part is i started playing cuz of lets game it out 😭

[prisma thicket]

There needs to be a "Let's Game It Out" reaction lol

[surreal ingot]

I started playing it because of jsckseoticeye

[prisma thicket]

I had no idea Jack played this game too. I saw Markiplier play it with Bob and Wade though.

[vestal mica]

i started playing because it was on sale and steam said i would like it and it had good reviews. and i try all the building/automation games

[surreal ingot]

It was 6 years ago, but I saw Jack first and then mark

They played around the same time just separate

I wish my friends were into Satisfactory because I’d love to try and build up a factory

[vestal mica]

foundry just had a big update. spoiler alert: it's still pretty bad

[rich stag]

is it good to find a super computer rihgt on start ?

[vestal mica]

it's not bad.

[ripe mantle]

Could get rich from sinking it

Or ahead on research from saving it

[jade glade]

where is the best spot to farm Encased Industrial Beam ?

[hard ivy]

anywhere with iron and limestone, and depending on your recipe choice, coal

[reef basin]

nowhere because we don't have farming in Satisfactory

well, near resources you need for it, depending on what recipes you use

[plain marten]

is there going to be an update which adds something to do after the ending

[hard ivy]

just do 100+ ficsonium/min and you'll be busy for 100s of hours

[plain marten]

whats the point of that

[reef basin]

the game was always mostly personal goals

[hard ivy]

you asked for something to do

[reef basin]

(as most factory games are)

[plain marten]

but the game stops guiding you after it so you have to figure out what to make yourself

and its not fun anymore

[reef basin]

game stops guiding you around T3

[plain marten]

no

[peak wasp]

So question

[vestal mica]

sounds like you're done

[plain marten]

when theres no more tiers and milestones then youre left on your own

[sturdy mural]

guys how long does it take for the buildings to calculate efficiency?

[plain marten]

no im not im still on phase 3

[peak wasp]

Can I ever go from MW to TW power wise

[plain marten]

yes

[peak wasp]

A Tera watt or 1000mw

[hard ivy]

the game only displays in MW

[frail sleet]

1,000,000 mw

[hard ivy]

1000000 MW, actually

[sturdy mural]

1. a TW is 1M MW, a GW is 1k MW
2. it only displays MW

[frail sleet]

That's what i said

[hard ivy]

you said mw. it's MW

a "w" unit doesn't exist afaik and "m" is 10^-3

[broken thorn]

I'm seriously considering using those hyper compact fuel generator blueprints because otherwise I will need a square kilometer of generators 😭 ( I would need 864 generators or 346 if fully overcloked )

[vestal mica]

i switched all my displays to calories/s

[hard ivy]

metric calories or US calories?

[vestal mica]

who is graham calories

nutrition calories. whatever those are. i like to know how much weight my factories are losing

[hard ivy]

that doesn't answer my question lol

both are used as nutrition calories, but they're different

because the US has to be special

[vestal mica]

oh yeah, special calories then

[broken thorn]

your nuclear power plant producing 2,149,612.5 kcal/sec

[vestal mica]

how many oreos is that

[broken thorn]

a lot

[vestal mica]

nice. i hate running out

[broken thorn]

40 thousand oreos per second

have fun Ig

: D

[peak wasp]

Oh GW was what I was thinking of then

[sturdy mural]

guys im so smart
my factory was inefficient cuz canister loop had not enough canisters
i set up a quick canister line
its now inefficient because i have TOO MANY of canisters, and unpackage recipes can't go

[zenith pecan]

Oops. looks like I built the coking plant on too large a scale 🤦‍♂️ , I needed around 5000 coke, bloody place will push out like 7200.

[vestal mica]

too much coke isn't a thing. party just lasts longer

[reef basin]

kMW doesn't exist 🙂

[hard ivy]

true, neither does MMW

[zenith pecan]

Ahh wicked, the wasted coke is so going to make diamonds!

[hard ivy]

then that's wasted oil, actually

[sturdy mural]

i said 1k MW (1000 MW), not 1 kMW /gen

[hard ivy]

oil diamonds need less oil than petroleum diamonds

[reef basin]

k MW doesn't exist either

[broken thorn]

I didn't know that was possible lol

[zenith pecan]

True, though the oil itself would have been waste, it is the remnant of what is left in the blue crater and the impure well, I built the coking plant to supply the bauxite refinery to the north but it pushes too much coke, so the choice was sink the remnant or get diamonds, so I'm going for diamonds.

[sturdy mural]

me neither until i realized that the "first" ones are at like 64% efficiency cuz they're full of canisters

[vestal mica]

good bot

[reef basin]

can we not go into personal insults, thanks

[vestal mica]

abbreviating 1000 as 1k is normal and acceptable in informal environments like this.

so 1k MW does exist. it's right up there. scroll up

[reef basin]

in non-unit environment, yeah
not when SI units are present (as k is SI unit prefix)

[vestal mica]

yeah, it's clear what the k represented there. this is not a scientific paper. your comments added nothing

but just to be annoying

as usual

[lime ermine]

I need 1600 water for nuclear fuel rods

Before the power plants

[vestal mica]

you need 1.6k water

[lime ermine]

:(

[vestal mica]

but 1.6k water doesn't exist

[hard ivy]

it's 1 kwater actually

[zenith pecan]

Yay 1400 kilomegawatts ?, just no. don't expect to be taken seriously, it isn't happening.

[reef basin]

here it's fine because no unit

[merry kettle]

You should really be using moles

[vestal mica]

i just drank 1k ml of water

[reef basin]

yeah that's bs

multiple SI prefixes are forbidden by definition

[hard ivy]

yeah no normal person says that

[vestal mica]

the k isn't a prefix

[frank summit]

1000kilomilliwatts

[reef basin]

k is literally kilo

[hard ivy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix

[vestal mica]

it's etymology is from the greek prefix kilo

[merry kettle]

Clearly MW isn't megawatts, given the energy consumption of light bulbs in the game.

[vestal mica]

but in 1k whatever it's not being used as a prefix

it is merely shorthand for 1000

and YOU KNOW THAT. you're just being annoying

[reef basin]

it is shorthand for 1000 which comes from SI system

[merry kettle]

We know Ficsit doesn't waste, so "MW" is referring to a different energy unit.

[vestal mica]

yeah, and it's not being used as any part of an SI unit, it's just being used to save keystrokes

[reef basin]

GW saves keystrokes over kMW

[vestal mica]

ok

what is your point

[reef basin]

what is your point?

my point is kMW and k MW doesn't exist

[vestal mica]

that saying that 1k MW instead of 1000 MW in explaining what a GW is, is perfectly fine

which is the original statement you got pedantic about

[reef basin]

it's not, because you're not teaching people correct usage of SI 🤷 which should be taught in schools ,but apparerntly isn't in many places

and yes, I will be pedantic about units, because I'd like to live in a world where people can use them properly

[merry kettle]

SI is a language, and linguistic prescriptivism is a fallacy.

[vestal mica]

oh this is about the utopian world you want to live in? so noble. you're just being annoying. when you say kMW doesn't exist and they say that's not what you said, you take their use of k out of context and double down on being annoying.

[reef basin]

I'm not taking anything out of context. And most people are fine with the correction. The only reason we're having this conversation is because you decided to reply to every single message of mine and be annoying yourself

[merry kettle]

Takes two to tango. Let's make it a line dance.

[vestal mica]

i'm waiting for the message that differs from your pattern.

still not sure if you're a bot or not

[reef basin]

oh no, a person has opinions and stands behind them

[left totem]

tbf even though we're technically both wrong I stand by your opinion

[reef basin]

would you be happier if my every message contradicted my earlier messages?

[vestal mica]

yes. see if you can do that.

[merry kettle]

Who was it who was trying to maximize nuclear power production using Somersloops? IF you're using Somersloops, fertile uranium reduces your plutonium production.

[sturdy mural]

guys can you have drones cycle between ports? i want to have a fuel drone fly around and drop off fuel on spots that need it

aw :(

[merry kettle]

Since each uranium, using ideal recipes, generates 1.2 waste products, the uranium waste-equivalent consumption of fertile uranium is 11 uranium waste, compared to 15 for the base recipe. If you're using Somersloops, however, each uranium produces 2.4 waste products, so 5 waste + 5 uranium * 2.4 = 17 waste.

[reef basin]

ok, so I should write conflicting opinions just because one person wants me to do so... great

[pearl walrus]

I am

[vestal mica]

man, you failed on your first try

[pearl walrus]

Oh my bad didnt read sonersloop, im doing it without 🦧🦧🦧

[merry kettle]

(Might be higher than that, actually. Might be 4.8)

(Depends on how heavily somersloops are utilized in the production chain)

[reef basin]

eh, I'd rather just keep doing what I do, and just call moderators next time I'm gonna get personal insults from you 🤷

[vestal mica]

🤷

[sturdy mural]

you know what you should do? let em be, they're arguing over whatever (even i dont even know what was it abt)

[pearl walrus]

Pls just look up si units, it literally takes 5 seconds of googling to disprove your position

[vestal mica]

Yes, it is common to use "K" as an abbreviation for 1,000, often in informal contexts like headlines or online discussions. The "K" comes from the Greek word "kilo," which means thousand, and is used in the metric system to indicate multiples of 1,000. For example, "10k" might be used to represent 10,000

it's almost like this is an informal context like an online discussion

[merry kettle]

Good lord guys, move on. Write the way you want to write.

[pearl walrus]

With SI units you only use one prefux good sir

[hard ivy]

if you're trying to truly try-hard maximize everything, you should use Satisfactory Optimizer to have it maximize maximize it

[vestal mica]

it wasn't used as a prefix, lords and ladies

[merry kettle]

Personally, if I'm having a computer do my optimization, why am I even playing? That's, for me personally, part of the gameplay.

Nothing against people who don't enjoy that, mind, everybody gets satisfaction out of different things.

[pearl walrus]

Since we're in an informal context. Would you ever say "plank with 4 legs" instead of table?

[vestal mica]

i feel whatever analogy you're trying to make is lost already

[fast lotus]

funniest argument ive read today

[rich stag]

can i send an screenshot here of 1 hour worth of progress ?

man i cant type

[pearl walrus]

#screenshots

[rich stag]

k

[sturdy mural]

exactly, lets focus on sayin it how it SHOULD BE said
aka ten hundred not 1k/1000

[reef basin]

yeah it's very funny how they insist all the time how wrong they are

[pearl walrus]

[merry kettle]

If you're not using unary you're not using real numbers.

[abstract heron]

i am only making at best 420,000mw for my RF fuel gens yay

[fast lotus]

Honestly like fair enough but why even care though, this is not a formal forum, call it whatever you want

[merry kettle]

Somebody is wrong on the internet, it cannot be allowed to stand.

[pearl walrus]

Is that the guy who zapps himself for youtube content in your pfp?

[fast lotus]

yeah lol

[pearl walrus]

The compilations are one of the funniest things ive seen on the internet tbh

[fast lotus]

I am trying to get into electrical engineering cause of him

[pearl walrus]

Oh...

My condolences

[reef basin]

given how many issues misuse of units has caused, I'd rather be pedantic but teach (at least some) people about SI system 🤷

[zenith pecan]

Some folks refuse to learn or decide to troll instead.

Or both!

[cedar kestrel]

being pedantic without malice is fine enough I think. considering the nature of Satisfactory gameplay

[reef basin]

well yeah, but I pretty much always reply to different people than those who decide to jump in and troll

(at least with at the start)

[pearl walrus]

On the other hand, FICSIT does not waste, so why did I even bother trying to teach a narcissit

[reef basin]

oh I'm not trying to teach that one person, that is a lost cause, I'm simply replying to their messages, mostly out of boredom

[pearl walrus]

Oh

[abstract heron]

half of the fuel gens are not getting enough RF huh

[rapid wren]

If you were to start in one single megafactory location through the whole game, where would you go?

[abstract heron]

some are 🤔

[merry kettle]

I'm assuming you are generating enough rocket fuel?

[abstract heron]

960 fuel gens last 2 are like the 487 -360 then 127 turbofuel for last 2

[reef basin]

I would probably not start a megafactory since it's kinda hard to do so (both logistically, planning-wise, and on your PC), but if I had to, I don't think the place matters much, you're gonna have to connect entire map anyway. I'd put it near big water source though, so that I never have to deal with much water transportation

[abstract heron]

that fuel issue is still there btw from last night

[merry kettle]

You're probably running into backflow; pipes don't have a preferred direction (valves don't necessarily fix this issue!), so with a long string of junctions, the contents of the pipes can flow backwards to try to fill in "holes" creating by consumption, which reduces the maximum throughput of the pipes.

[abstract heron]

i have big big pipe lines

[zenith pecan]

My coking plant is so going out of control haha, I need to process another 1200 resin and it looks like it'll be getting three particle accelerators, one distraction after another and I'm trying to get my bauxite processing back online 🤣

[merry kettle]

If you haven't done a pipe loop around your junctions yet, add one to see if it eliminates or reduces the issue.

[abstract heron]

for the gens i did

[merry kettle]

What's the throughput of your feeder pipe before the fuel generators?

[cedar kestrel]

is it normal for places where I destroyed uranium rocks to still display radioactivity?

[merry kettle]

It's a bug that occasionally occurs, saving and reloading will resolve it.

[sturdy mural]

guys how do i increase throughput of drones? do i need to place like 5 drone ports or can i have like 2 or 3 drones on 1 port

[zenith pecan]

I assume you have deleted the ore in your bags though, right?

[merry kettle]

You can sort of have 2 drones, one on the source and one on the destination, since drones carry material bidirectionally

[cedar kestrel]

yes haha

[abstract heron]

1 is at 300per minute all around 200-300per minute ish

[zenith pecan]

Just checking, the move away, save/reload ought to fix it then 🙂

[sturdy mural]

385 input of plastic when i need 640

[merry kettle]

Do you have access to mk2 pipes yet?

[abstract heron]

i do

they are all mk2 pipes

[merry kettle]

The throughput suggests there may be a mk1 pipe somewhere, or you're splitting stuff earlier

[abstract heron]

i do 487 turbofuel to blenders then 487-360 due to they take 60 per minute then i do the rest to last 2 blenders to make

[merry kettle]

Or you have a valve somewhere limiting your throughput, also a possibility

[abstract heron]

checking over now

one fuel line is not really going nicely

ii also sometimes all the water does not pushed threw as much

[merry kettle]

That can be backflow or it could be that the consumption rate is lower than the production rate so plants are idling

[abstract heron]

anyway to fix that

[merry kettle]

If the issue is backflow, water has gravity, so you can use the wave design #1376232036620042360 message

[abstract heron]

do i have to redo all the piping

[merry kettle]

(Note: As far as I am aware the gravity-based solution to backflow in fluids isn't universally accepted as solving the issue, but so far my observations are that it works.)

You can also loop the water feed pipe and see if that resolves the issue

Note that the wave design does not work for gases, so won't work for your rocket fuel

[abstract heron]

its from 2550 oil into 9600 gases or 9444

[sturdy mural]

man my pc is so bad
i just died to fall damage and got thrown under the map

[abstract heron]

and doing 300 per minute with water so 2 extractors per water

[merry kettle]

2 extractors at 100% only produces 240 water

[abstract heron]

all at 300 per minute but they are in the line for the water extractors

or they go into after pipe in to a wall for extractors

[merry kettle]

Are the water extractors overclocked to 250%?

[abstract heron]

yes

[merry kettle]

Ah, okay, I understand.

Try the wave design for feeding your fuel dilutors

[abstract heron]

then goes to a wall with 50000 pumps

or 4 pumps per 1 pipe line

[merry kettle]

Just try it with one line and see if you get better results. You may also have to implement the solution for your heavy oil residue if the issue is resolved with water, depending on how you've laid everything out

[abstract heron]

with 1 pump?

[merry kettle]

The wave design is for your consumers/junctions, rather than the pumps

If you have junctions around your pumps, for example to split your water across multiple floors, you may need a different solution

[abstract heron]

i have it going from the lake at the bottom going to floor 2 of my factory

[merry kettle]

Given water is getting there, that shouldn't cause any issues.

[abstract heron]

same with oil having 4 pumps or 8 pumps per line of oil

@merry kettle one pipe says headlift reach maxed

[sturdy mural]

guys what do machine lamps mean?

[reef basin]

!wikisearch machine_indicator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=machine_indicator

[reef basin]

uh nvm

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Indicator_Light

[sturdy mural]

thanks :D

[bold blade]

yo can anyone boost my server like 1 boost or 2
if u do dm me

[reef basin]

I'd say the "no begging" from #rules applies to this as well

[merry kettle]

As long as water is reaching your pipes, headlift isn't the issue. Probably. There's an edge case where the headlift isn't quite enough to fill the pipe; you can try shutting all your consumers down and see if the pipe fills up to see if that is the issue

[gaunt ivy]

Can i still keep playing on my experimental save once 1.1 releases?

not that i probably will.

but would it be possible?

[zenith pecan]

Looks like my swamp clearence is going ahead as planned #screenshots message 😄 . I do wish the nuclear devices had more kick though.

[cyan garnet]

yes. the save is tied to the version, so when 1.1 is released your save will still be 1.1

[zenith pecan]

I love how the pioneer casually slaps the detonator with another nuke.

[west jackal]

is there a way to disable the night cycle

[zenith pecan]

Only via mods that I'm aware of.

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @zenith pecan

[west jackal]

dang, okay, thank you

[bold wedge]

dead chat

[zenith pecan]

I know what you mean, I'm currently building in the swamp and when the night kicks in, It's pitch dark.

[west jackal]

yeah, and i was trying to avoid mods, ive used them in the past but i was hoping there was a command or something

[sturdy mural]

guys can you configure programmable splitters to split like 2:3?
like put 2 Any orders on 1 output, and 3 Any orders on 2nd output and have em go like that?

oor will it just be 50%/50% on both

[reef basin]

no, but single splitter would self-balance that way anyway

[sturdy mural]

oh alr

also why the heck
does Turbo Ammo say

These rounds provide extreme capacity and rate of fire at the cost of accuracy
-# (quote from in-game)
yet they fire slower than regular ones?

[gray mesa]

how much MW/GW can you make from 4,500 mp3 of oil

[hard ivy]

depends on the recipes and the fuel

[frozen cloud]

hold to fire fast

[white dawn]

The fire rate increases the longer you hold down fire

[sturdy mural]

OH

[white dawn]

At its peak it's quite a bit faster. The spread increases quite a bit too, though; it's most effective at close range

[gray mesa]

my question ?

[sturdy mural]

but how's the damage overall? like if i were to hit every shot which would be more dmg overall

[next brook]

This is general question

U can turn them to fuel or turbo fuel
And you can produce more fuel depending on what recipes u have unlocked

[gray mesa]

turbo fuel

I have all the alt recipes

[sturdy mural]

cuz ROF is'nt really much for me cuz i'm more of a tap-fire

[reef basin]

mp3 of oil? 😄

[gray mesa]

I want to turn 4,500 mp3 of oil to power

[reef basin]

oil.mp3

[gray mesa]

oil, yes

like to then turbo it

for more power.

[frozen cloud]

use a blender to turn it into webm

[wanton mist]

is there something like a glass foundation in the game?

[reef basin]

it's m3 (or m³)

[gray mesa]

oil. if you turbo it

[reef basin]

mp3 is a audio file format

[gray mesa]

mp3s

[sturdy mural]

there's a glass floor thingy in Architecture
Glass Frame Foundation

[reef basin]

what?

[gray mesa]

MP3S

[reef basin]

what is that supposed to mean?

[sturdy mural]

Structural Frame Set in Awesome Shop

[cyan garnet]

plug 4500 oil into a production calculator and select your recipe(s) and see what it gives you

[wanton mist]

neat, cheers

[gray mesa]

more than 3,500 mp3s from my coal ?

[reef basin]

(it's still m3, not mp3 🙂 since it's meters cubed)

[gray mesa]

mega threes

what the oil and water does

[reef basin]

that's... not how it works

[gray mesa]

^numbers

[gaunt gyro]

Anyone found a good fix for not making the handheld tools MASSIVE on a 32:9 resolution? My searching has found nothing

[gray mesa]

that one

[reef basin]

m³

[hard ivy]

the most you can make from 4500 oil/min is 1.45 TW
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=3XMiVWd3QK1PJqSYGF5s
@gray mesa

[gray mesa]

mega threes

[reef basin]

no

meters cubed

[gray mesa]

meters threed ?

[reef basin]

cubed

[gray mesa]

like with three? 3 by 3 by 3 ?

[reef basin]

it's m×m×m

or m³

[gray mesa]

mega threes ?

[reef basin]

no

[gray mesa]

idgi

[reef basin]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_metre

[hard ivy]

simple wikipedia lmao. savage

[reef basin]

uh, no idea why it went to that

was just first google result for "meters cubed"

[gray mesa]

so what is a mega three ?

[reef basin]

nothing

[gray mesa]

is this why my oil back flows ?

[reef basin]

oil backflows because it's a fluid

[gray mesa]

with different m-threes of stuff ?

[reef basin]

it's a unit of volume

[gray mesa]

like i have one of fuel and it does like 1800 mega threes of power

i put it into that with coal and sulphur

[reef basin]

same as liters or gallons

[frozen cloud]

volume?
like in mp3?

[gray mesa]

and it makes turbo fuel

and i do lots of that

I have 185,000 of that.

mega threes.

[reef basin]

I give up, now you go try 😄

[gray mesa]

but I dont get why I cant get to like 1,000,000 mp3s

is that with nuclear ?

[reef basin]

there's no mega threes. Nothing is "mega three"

the unit for volume is "cubic meters" or "m³" (or you can just write m3)

but don't invent new things like mp3s

[frozen cloud]

rocket fuel
with nitrogen

[gray mesa]

there's M trhrees >?

[reef basin]

no

[gray mesa]

mega threes or mp3s or mp/g

idk

i just want my factory to work

[reef basin]

neither of those are correct

m3 or m³ is

just use those, like everyone else 😉

[gray mesa]

thank you

I am going to experiment with my game with what you said

[hard ivy]

I already gave up and blocked them

can't handle this much stupidity and stubbornness

[zenith pecan]

mp3s aren't new though, it's an audio format, mpeg 1 layer 3 😄 (sorry, couldn't resist)

[reef basin]

oh god, now they will read this and try their mega three again

[prisma thicket]

Seems like a troll to me, just ignore it and move on

[gray mesa]

i fixed it

thank you

[zenith pecan]

Sorry 😦 , I get it, the same thing bugs me to be honest, it's like when I see faux cyrillic, as someone who can read that, I hear the random gibberish from the mixed alphabets in my head, it sounds like summoning some cosmic horror.

[gray mesa]

are you suggesting your withheld self is a cosmic horror ?

i have two cats that i would describe thusly.

they poop a lot and it is smelly.

[hard ivy]

you can imagine how I feel, as a physics student, when someone writes 1k MW or p/m

[gray mesa]

you don't like watts per second, @hard ivy

[pearl walrus]

Somone ping the guy😭

[gray mesa]

what about watts per second per joule per metric volume ??

how do you like THAT? :p

[zenith pecan]

Classic example being the film title of воядт , yay, sounds like voyadt, makes so much sense 🤦‍♂️

[hard ivy]

like talking with chemistry students who put volume or mols in a log

[reef basin]

the thing that boggles me a lot about this is that people actually know how SI works because they know kB/MB/GB/TB

[gray mesa]

1024 is not 1000

fight me.

[reef basin]

1 MB = 1000 kB

[zenith pecan]

I try to get that right tbh, so if I stuff up, go right ahead and point it out because I dislike inaccuracy.

[reef basin]

what you're talking about is MiB, which is 1024 kiB

[gray mesa]

squints

[hard ivy]

eh, that's not a good example because you have both b and B and k, M, G, T and ki, Mi, Gi, and Ti

[reef basin]

(and yes, like 90% of software gets this wrong, but it's how it's defined)

[reef basin]

ki/Mi/Gi is not part of SI, officially

[gray mesa]

2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64.... 65,536... something... NUMBERS

they dont end in 1000000000

just saying.

I had to learn this shit.

base 2 or whatever maths.

[hard ivy]

ah, it's probably IEEE or ISO or something

[reef basin]

but my point was that people know that we have prefixes and how they are used... they just don't apply it to other units and play confused when they are told that kMW isn't real

[gray mesa]

I like you

[rugged trail]

maybe he means m to the power of 3?idunno still confusing as hell

[frozen cloud]

imagine using units
math gang unite

[hard ivy]

I got my taste of math when I took a general relativity course

no fucking thank you

[gray mesa]

i meant m threes

like water

its ok it was answered, i didnt want to cause argument

[rugged trail]

anyway to do that the best way would be to turn it into heavy residue with resin(6000 heavy residue) turn it to fuel(12000 fuel with 12000 water) then turn it to turbo with comp coal(about 8000 comp coal is needed) which gives 10000 turbofuel which you can then get 333.333 gw of power

[frozen cloud]

do oil and water have the same density? no right?

[pearl walrus]

Math is cool. I enjoyed pre uni math a lot

[gray mesa]

I just wanted help with the power it's ok, thank you

[hard ivy]

it was decent until 1D integrals

[merry kettle]

I don't think kB is either, on account of a byte not being an SI unit AFAIK

[pastel carbon]

As a physics student myself, maths maths sucks and physics maths is cool (totally unbiased opinion)

[hard ivy]

linear algebra and topology sucked ass

[reef basin]

yeah they aren't, but at least they follow same prefixes, and people are familiar with them

[frozen cloud]

but then agian neither is /min so eh

[pearl walrus]

You had issues with 1d integrals? I thought you had autism?

[hard ivy]

minutes are SI derived units equal to 1/60 s

[hard ivy]

no, 1D were fine

2D were meh

[pastel carbon]

I like linear algebra a lot, I think it's super cool

[pearl walrus]

Oh ok

[hard ivy]

3+D sucked

[frozen cloud]

the fun part is when you start doing intregrals on donuts

[pastel carbon]

Topology on the other hand, I don't know enough about to say anything beyond knowing it's hard

[rugged trail]

hm actually i did make a lil excel file with all these computations on it, maybe i could share it here somewhere?

[pearl walrus]

Ill look into that, sounds interesting

[gray mesa]

is this where i need to be ?

[pastel carbon]

Honestly sometimes 2D integrals are more annoying than 3D integrals

[merry kettle]

No they don't. A byte is 2^3 bits.

[pastel carbon]

Looking at you, surface integrals

[pearl walrus]

I expect there to be terrible sum algorithms instead of neat rules to mindlessly follow

[hard ivy]

try volume integrals

[gray mesa]

please what have i stumbled into ?

[reef basin]

I meant kB/MB/GB/...

[pastel carbon]

Volume integrals are pretty straightforward conceptually in 3D space

[gray mesa]

eject, eject

[hard ivy]

when the volume isn't a cube

[pastel carbon]

You could make the same argument for the surface of that volume

[gray mesa]

pld why is everyone shouting ?

[rugged trail]

still amazed that theres also another way to measure those and its kibibytes or some thing

[pearl walrus]

Lol

[pastel carbon]

It's because powers of 2 are really convenient from a CS perspective

[gray mesa]

why.... cant.... shhhh. pls to stop

[merry kettle]

Bytes aren't even metric, lol

[gray mesa]

who is talking to who ?

[rugged trail]

yea thats actually pretty neat. i wish it was used more

[frozen cloud]

yes

[pastel carbon]

2^10 B: kiB, 2^20 B: MiB, 2^30 B: GiB

[pearl walrus]

Some doctor get this checked for schizophrenia pls

[merry kettle]

Using kB is, if we're insisting on unit purity, an abomination. It's combining metric and non-metric

[rugged trail]

its practical so good enough

[merry kettle]

Sure! But if that's our argument then 1.2k MW is fine. Just as byte is being used an atomic unit in its context, MW is being used as an atomic unit in its context.

[rugged trail]

no not really, we got better ways to show 1.2kMW, and that is...1.2GW. problem solved

[merry kettle]

Better is relative.

Watts aren't a meaningful atomic unit in the context.

[reef basin]

well I don't mean that kB/MB are SI units or something

my point was purely that "people are familiar with prefixes and how they work", even if it isn't official SI and such

same as you wouldn't write that your game is 20kMB, you won't write 20kMW in Satisfactory 🙂

[rugged trail]

well we already have a metric unit when we have mega in the thing, so adding another metric behind it is just silly is what im saying. however if there is a better thing to use id like to know more

[leaden turret]

not sure if #math-and-meta or #off-topic-general

[rugged trail]

agreed

[merry kettle]

You say that like programmers wouldn't see "20kMB" and go "Yeah okay, that's less ambiguous than 20GB given the way that software handles these things."

[rugged trail]

no this is a rant about measuring units so completely off topic

[frozen cloud]

yes

[swift kernel]

What do you think that k stands for? It stands for kilo-. The prefix of 1000. It's ridiculous to use in the context you're describing.

[west jackal]

Is there a way to access the old calculator, the new ui is confusing me

[rugged trail]

well programmers aint the engineers designing the line, but still its not hard to replace that silly measure with the sensible giga one

[hard ivy]

which calculator?

[west jackal]

the satisfactory calculator

the production planner thing

[reef basin]

which one?

[leaden turret]

ask in scim's discord, not this one? 🤷‍♂️

[gray mesa]

i put it in my bum

[hard ivy]

i suggest you access a different website instead

[merry kettle]

Nah. To the "ridiculous" thing. You're treating a watt as the unit, when the game doesn't use them; the unit in the context of the game is MW.

[west jackal]

i didnt know there was a specific discord, and greeny there used to be one but i cant remember what its called, though i thought you made it?

[gray mesa]

you all need medical attention.

psychologically.

[reef basin]

I made https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

not sure which one you're talking about 🙂

[west jackal]

THANK YOU!

greeny yours is the one i wanted, i was on the one with teh map

woah they finally added a use for SAM? I havent played in a few updates

[swift kernel]

Why do you hate GW again?

[merry kettle]

If you -want- to use GW, that's fine. And if someone wants to say 1.2k MW, that's fine too. Everybody knows what they mean.

[rugged trail]

ok well then we need to put 3 zeros in front of our numbers... which is exactly what a kilo is, so...

[rugged trail]

unit purity i guess

[leaden turret]

0001

[swift kernel]

I mean, I guess everyone is entitled to be wrong. Just like everyone is entitled to make fun of you for it

[west jackal]

i appreciate all the effort youve put in your tool, it is so nice

[rugged trail]

alright i got it wrong lol backwards of that

[merry kettle]

If you're going to insist on unit purity you're going to have to stop using kilobyte as well.

[leaden turret]

is "discord" the unit of measurement for amount of time wasted by people spamming up on-topic channels with off-topic nonsense?

[rugged trail]

thats a tad too serious for a casual discussion like this that ultimately doesnt matter anyway but still

[rugged trail]

you might be unto something...

[leaden turret]

1.2k mega-discords

[swift kernel]

I'm not insisting on unit purity. I'm insisting that 1.2k MW specifically is lame

[swift kernel]

Wasn't intended to be all that serious.

[merry kettle]

And that's an aesthetic preference, not being "wrong".

[leaden turret]

if you don't like it when people use it, block them so you won't see them using it in future, problem solved.

[rugged trail]

that escelated quickly

[swift kernel]

I just like teasing people over nonsense.

I couldn't care less what any random person online calls them

[rugged trail]

entitled to be wrong is quite combative but you do you. also i agree with you but still