satisfactory

[wheat reef]

so I can use 3 oil extractors and 6 pressurizer extractors to make fuel for energy?

[past torrent]

restarted another world and now i have all the buildings, weird stuff

[robust nymph]

yes

[wheat reef]

oh it is constant?

[robust nymph]

yeah just like oil pumps

[wheat reef]

amazing

[sullen gull]

Pressurizer extractors?

OHH ... using an oil well ..

walks away again

[robust nymph]

resource well presurizer/resource well extractor

[vestal mica]

well well well

[wheat reef]

I apologize for all misunderstanding, I play on native language so I am not sure how things are called in eglish

[sullen gull]

Yeah, took me a minute. Still working on my first monster coffee 🙂

[robust nymph]

eh, it's understandable enough

[sullen gull]

Ahh, no, you're all good. T'was my bad.

[robust nymph]

life is hell without coffee

It's not an addiction, it's a lifestyle 😤

[wheat reef]

life is hell: 💀
life is hell: 🤤

[hard ivy]

Better than that one guy who called an iron node an iron resource. Took me a solid minute to figure out what they meant

[sullen gull]

Though I am probably making it more of a hell with this monster shit ....

_laments on his Nuclear Stress test coming up

[wheat reef]

I wouldn't remember the word "node" so i'd just call it "I get 480 from the pure drill"

[prisma thicket]

Eh it ain't so bad 😛

[hard ivy]

I drink one like once every 2 years

[robust nymph]

I love myself an impure iron resource

[robust nymph]

yeah not a huge fan of energy drinks, I'll stick to my coffee

[robust nymph]

keep it that way, tried to quit but felt like shit

[sullen gull]

I'm one of those who like a little coffee with my sugar 😏

[wheat reef]

How are node tiers called? pure, common and impure?

[robust nymph]

eh, pretty sure it's not harmful unless consumed in excessive amounts (which I don't) so not the end of the world

[trim vine]

god, mid, and trash

[wheat reef]

I see

[robust nymph]

normal instead of common

[sullen gull]

Pure Normal and Impure

[robust nymph]

but the other 2 are right

[robust nymph]

pff, no thanks

[wheat reef]

can i place a sign on pipes? I want to mark them to see how much flow there is from distance

[robust nymph]

yeah you can, need to set the number manually though, it won't update in real time

oh wait you can't place ON pipes

[prisma thicket]

Can you not put the throughput monitor thing on pipes?

[robust nymph]

my bad

[robust nymph]

valve?

[wheat reef]

yea, I aim and it says wrong aim

[wheat reef]

oh hm

[robust nymph]

place it on the ground next to it 🤷‍♂️

[prisma thicket]

Oh, maybe you don't have it, the 1.1 thing that monitors throughput that you can unlock in the awesome shop

[robust nymph]

if it is high up place a temp wall/foundation to place it on

[wheat reef]

why do people use valves tho?

[robust nymph]

for pipes too?

[prisma thicket]

I dunno, I was asking if you can lol

[wheat reef]

it's for belts only

[robust nymph]

to restrict flow direction and flow speed, very useful in aluminum production

[prisma thicket]

Damn

[wheat reef]

and it also has to be moving for the to give numbers

[coarse geode]

pipes are still bugged, fun

[robust nymph]

bugged how?

[coarse geode]

theyre empty

[robust nymph]

might not be a bug but just a quirck in how pipes work that you don't know about :p

[robust nymph]

that doesn't sound like a bug, do you have enough headlift to bring the fluid into it?

[coarse geode]

i need 600 and i have 1200 going and theyre all empty

[wheat reef]

Altitude

[robust nymph]

well you're not gonna be able to cram 1200 into a single pipe, that's for sure

Check your headlift, and give us some screenshots in #screenshots or #1038092680493801533 so we can maybe help :)

[sacred sinew]

anyone else finding 1.1 vertical mergers/splitters to be problematic? They won't build on top of floor holes, and if I pre-build a lift, they don't want to snap to the lift at heights that match anything else, like floors or machine inputs, so everything I've tried results in belts with slopes to connect them to anything

[atomic notch]

Im to the point where im stacking rails for long distance lol got a double rn its gonne turn into 4 soon

[wheat reef]

what do you do when animals are in the way of your build?

[atomic notch]

Move them

[wheat reef]

how

with means of violence?

[robust nymph]

keep in mind that trains will choose the shortest part and stick to it, no matter what, even if it gets obstructed

[robust nymph]

yes, or patience

[hard ivy]

Build high enough that they aren't

[sullen gull]

Or, you can get the boombox and use bass boost to scare them

[robust nymph]

or that XD

[wheat reef]

pati... what?

[blissful violet]

Thats why im scared of coffee, if i drink it to start my day, then i will never be able to start the day without coffee

[atomic notch]

Doin push pull so i dont have to worry about that nonsense

[hard ivy]

Push-pull? ew

[robust nymph]

are the lines connected at any point?

[atomic notch]

No

[robust nymph]

ncie

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I concur with one lol

[robust nymph]

though it might be worthwhile to switch to single direction rails in your case, you won't need as many rails for the same throughput

[atomic notch]

Im not worried about rails got tons of steel

[robust nymph]

fair, mainly for aesthetics and the amount of work needed to set it up, I assumed steel would not be an issue :p

but if that's okay with you then bi directional rails work too

[atomic notch]

Its honestly not much work its just droppin two stations and connecting it. and the timetable is super simple

[robust nymph]

fair

[hard ivy]

the timetable would be the same regardless

And if you used one rail per direction, you could re-use them

instead of pulling a rail all the way from A to B

At that point you might as well do belts instead

[robust nymph]

trains are cooler

[wheat reef]

wish i could make a pipe connector just 3 sided

without that ugly 4th side

[sullen gull]

Ahh yes, T junctions...

[hard ivy]

There's probably a mod for that

[wheat reef]

That would be a musthave

[wheat reef]

I ain't modding until i complete the game

[blissful violet]

this game is too addictive, ive been playing 3h already on my first day

[wheat reef]

3h

3 hours is just a single ada warning

[robust nymph]

There IS a mod for that

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/smilee-gif-21555714

[robust nymph]

Fluid Extras by DavidHGillen

[blissful violet]

not finished, its only 22:00

[hard ivy]

3h is nothing in this game lol

me when 1.0 launched #screenshots message

[wheat reef]

I need to take my fuel plant apart

to rebuild all

[robust nymph]

just got my 8h warning, but that is including 5+ hours of afk

[prisma thicket]

Same lol

Wait, you guys get warnings?

[wheat reef]

My max of actually playing was 22h

[blissful violet]

im gonna do a decent one from the start

[robust nymph]

good luck, I think almost everyone messes up their first

[bitter crow]

is it incorrect of me to build a megafactpry with worse equipment

[robust nymph]

fluids can be tricky, especially when you are new to them

[wheat reef]

my works at 20 fuel gens rn
and i want to make it bigger cause i unlocked rocket fuel

[wheat reef]

worse equipment? as character equipment or low level drills?

[sullen gull]

With the intention of 'upgrading' later?

[quick acorn]

hey im new and was wondering if anyone else is new to the game and wanted to play?

[robust nymph]

"is it incorrect" doesn't matter what the rest of the question is, the answer is no. there is no wrong way to play

play how you want

[sullen gull]

IE building with Mk4 belts/lifts when you need Mk5/6?

[trim vine]

on a scale of 1 to 10, how OCD are you?

[robust nymph]

#1201555265942724758

[wheat reef]

OCD? obsessive compuslive disorder?

[blissful violet]

20 😱 i was thinking abt something smaller... anyways, it can be bigger if we need, but theres the belt limit...

[quick acorn]

like an 8

[wheat reef]

20 only gives 2GWt

[robust nymph]

ineffient? sure, its not optimal.

But if that's the most fun option to you, then why not?

[wheat reef]

I need more

[quick acorn]

thank u

[trim vine]

Play alone, save yourself a headache, and come here often to ask questions/bounce ideas off

[blissful violet]

im at 20Mw, that will do the thing 😂

[prisma thicket]

You don't need to worry about belts for fuel generators, they take pipes

[trim vine]

and even if you find another "8", your building styles need be identical

[sullen gull]

You can find that some have a sort of 'specific' way/ruleset' to how they, and how the game, is played.

[blissful violet]

nono im talking biomass

[wheat reef]

20Mw is 60% of a single biomass burner

[trim vine]

or your head wil explode

[quick acorn]

i just get lonely by myself

[bitter crow]

yeah but i mean

mk.3 conveyor belts

i dont evem have plastic

[prisma thicket]

It's also one Biomass burner on the Hub

[wheat reef]

oh yeah, i forgot it had two

i am so used to coal/fuel energy at this point

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ I do it all the time. Bad? Pffft, beats me and generally don't care 😏

[robust nymph]

that's not optimal, but again, if that seems fun to you, then go for it. don't let anyone tell you that playing the way you enjoy is "wrong"

[trim vine]

I usually play with @jade tartan, though we are both in our own worlds just bouncing ideas off each other on comms 😛

[reef forge]

#screenshots message any keepers?

[bitter crow]

it will be a hell to upgrade it later

[wheat reef]

what are oil extractor rates on different nodes? 120, 240 and 480?

[robust nymph]

solid steel is amazing

[quick acorn]

sounds like fun

[sullen gull]

Imo, There is no issue with setting up 'infrastructure' early on. And either upgrade or connect to the system when ready.

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch oil+extractor

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=oil+extractor

[robust nymph]

cast screw is nice if you don't plan to avoid screws

steamed copper sheet is great

[sullen gull]

E: All of the Above 😏

[robust nymph]

wet concrete too

[bitter crow]

i built a 10 story conveyor belt for 1000 meters

[robust nymph]

yeah there is a lot of good ones in there

[trim vine]

In order:
ewww
cast screw
steamed copper
wet concrete
Solid steel ingot (though the stator one aint bad)
Fused Quickwire
Steel molded pipe
iron wire

[reef forge]

alr thx

[trim vine]

reroll the first one

[wheat reef]

60, 120. 240
meh

[reef forge]

alr

[robust nymph]

steel rod over steel molded pipe imo but both are decent

[trim vine]

I MISS GAMBLING ON ALT RECIPES -CRYS-

[trim vine]

why on earth would you use steel for rods?

When pipes are so versitile

[hard ivy]

nah, never reroll. if you don't like the recipes, they're removed from the pool. rerolling puts them back in

[trim vine]

v fair and v true when you are looking for specific ones

[wheat reef]

I already love you people

[robust nymph]

#screenshots message because this

[reef forge]

i am trying to find the stitched iron plates or whatever one has wire for reinforced iron plates

[trim vine]

I agree, but again, iron is cheap and easy

Steel is annoying

[reef forge]

yeah but i hate screws

[robust nymph]

so is coal

[trim vine]

-stares in phase 5-

[robust nymph]

not really, if you have a decent BP for it

[hard ivy]

good

[atomic notch]

I played with a dude who scanned 24 hard drives tryna get a recipe and he didnt get it but i got it on the first rescan lol

[robust nymph]

oil diamond ftw

[wheat reef]

I have 2700 oil a minute in here
time to do math

[trim vine]

solid steel into molded pipe ftw, you can make encased BEAMS and motors and everything

and I would not use oil for that 😛

[reef forge]

i went out and got like 8 or 9 hard drives to prepare for encased industrial pipes and it was on my first hard drive i didnt' need a rescan or anything

[atomic notch]

Yeah

[quick acorn]

i have 44 hours on the game and im just now geting coal power

[robust nymph]

why not? there is almost no other scenario where you would use enough oil on other things that this woul be a problem

[atomic notch]

Im at the point where i have most unlocked and i just scan every milestone to get new recipes

[robust nymph]

300 oil> 60 diamonds

1200 coal > 60 diamonds

720 coal + 1440 limestone > 60 diamonds

[trim vine]

I guess just cause Coal and Limestone are so cheap and abundant, but then again, so is Oil once you get the wells too

[gray mesa]

@abstract rune

[robust nymph]

?

[gray mesa]

You remind me of Matt Berry.

in a good way.

[robust nymph]

who tf is Matt Berry

a 51 year old dude?

[trim vine]

Either way, off topic, iron is cheap, steel rods are mid, since you dont really use rods for a lot

[gray mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8xliaDUPwg

[hard ivy]

yeah, rods are only needed for rebar

[gray mesa]

that @robust nymph

[trim vine]

-stares in rifle-

😛

[hard ivy]

I like my explosive rebar

nobelisk but faster to shoot

[reef forge]

i should probably automate steel beams and pipes

i've automated motors and encased industrial beams but not those

[trim vine]

Stators, Rotors, E-Beams, Fluctuators, Automated Miners, Heavy Modulars, all have good pipe alt recipes

The ratio of Beams to Pipe should be much more in favor of pipes

[wheat reef]

what's the english name for thing made of coal and sulfur?

[trim vine]

Compacted Coal

[wheat reef]

thanks

[gray mesa]

compacted coal ?

[trim vine]

You really only need beams for Versitile Frameworks

[hard ivy]

mk3 belts and railways

and one recipe for plut rods iirc

[robust nymph]

Right well, thanks I guess

[prisma thicket]

Also Black Powder

[trim vine]

^^^^ I skipped basically to MK4 belts cause we got the encased beams factory up first after power

[gray mesa]

ur not wrong.

[wheat reef]

240 fuel generators with rocket fuel at 250% each

[reef forge]

i just like everything moving fast so i use mk 3 belts for everything rn

[wheat reef]

what do yall think?

[trim vine]

Send pics when done

[prisma thicket]

Sounds like a start 😛

[sullen gull]

I try not to. It hurts

[wheat reef]

it's on the planning yet but I will!

[reef forge]

i have over 2.4k motors i am so happy

[hard ivy]

that's only 240 refineries

[wheat reef]

#screenshots message
Well I guess it's not that bad

[reef forge]

thats alot

[blissful violet]

is MAM neccesary or just for collecting?

[reef forge]

yes

you need MAM

[atomic notch]

Its decent

[blissful violet]

for what

[prisma thicket]

MAM has some of the most powerful unlocks in the game

[trim vine]

if Im being honest

In order:

Power
MAM Stuff
Everything else

[blissful violet]

bruh, i dont want to find every retard animal

this is NOT satisfactory

[sullen gull]

There are only 4

[reef forge]

its not very hard to do

[trim vine]

There are only 4 in the world, and 3 types of food

[reef forge]

theres 4 of them

[atomic notch]

Theres 4

[blissful violet]

ok but how many
jk

[sullen gull]

And all usually close by to where ever you started

[atomic notch]

Ur right tho it is time consuming

[wheat reef]

wait what fuel does drone use?

[trim vine]

Just branching early into the caterium side of the MAM yeilds massive results

Quartz early too for fast shoes

[hard ivy]

almost any

[wheat reef]

anything that burns or any "Fuel"?

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch drone

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drone

[atomic notch]

Not liquid biofuel ig

[sullen gull]

Fyi, You 'could' find a pair of blade runners in the Lizard doggo nest cave on the East coast.

[blissful violet]

so what does MAM give

[reef forge]

alright im off to double my power

[hard ivy]

DDs, and that's enough of a reason for me

[trim vine]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/MAM

[atomic notch]

Hey google

[wheat reef]

A lot

[sullen gull]

All sorts of progressive things for the game.

[prisma thicket]

Dimensional Depot, Power Augmenter, Power Shards, Rocket Fuel and a bunch of others

[blissful violet]

i have no idea what im reading

i'll understand it when i unlock it probably

[trim vine]

Well, assuming basic reading skills, comparing it to what you see in game, you can see each area of the MAM's tech trees, and their corresponding rewards

[sullen gull]

Oooook, Exterior water piping done.. Time to figure out how I want to run electric and still look 'clean' #screenshots message

[trim vine]

Some highlights:
Quickwire
MK2/3 power Poles
Smart Splitters
Overclocking
Dimensional Storage
Blade Runners
Alien DNA Capsules
Guns and Dynamite

And muich much more

[trim vine]

v sexy

[blissful violet]

without MAM this cant be gotten? Okay Mam might be relevant guys

[prisma thicket]

Lookin good, if you want to hide the power couplings some, try wall sockets on the edges of the foundations around your extractors. Electricity and water go really well together, right? 😛

[trim vine]

Yuup, and like I said, in order of importance:

Power Grid
MAM
Hard Drives
Everythign else

[hard ivy]

Also, alts lol

that's mam too

[blissful violet]

power grid is just making power i guess

[wheat reef]

The world would be so much better if coupons could be used from dimensional depot

[sage wind]

Best factory planner?

[sullen gull]

Oh, I'm a pro at hiding wires in 2m foundations lol

[hard ivy]

define best

[wheat reef]

satisfactory modeler on steam

[blissful violet]

it is important, i remember playing DSP and the energy sometimes fell, it was funny to see everything stopped

[hard ivy]

I'd say satsifactory tools in general

but it really depens what you want exactly

[sage wind]

Your favourite

[hard ivy]

hell no. way too manual to be "best" overall

[sullen gull]

They all have their different merits. It's all about personal taste/goals

[prisma thicket]

I use satisfactorytools.com for planning, satisfactory-calculator.com for the map

[hard ivy]

best for people who want to have full control, sure

[wheat reef]

idk yet, haven't tried much, so I like it yet

[sullen gull]

Although, My favorite is Modeler lol

[quick oak]

I use modeler for actual planning, tools for codex, and SCIM for a map.

At later stages, I just can't decipher tools' planner ui

[sullen gull]

Man I wish I had a 'This' reaction lol

[atomic notch]

👆

[sullen gull]

Ahh, well... Ok yeah I guess that works lol. Forgot about that one honestly .

[past cairn]

I've just come back to the game after a few years, anyone want to play?

[quick oak]

years? you're in for a treat.

[past cairn]

Haha I bet!

[sullen gull]

#1201555265942724758

[past cairn]

Didn't see this channel, thanks!

[wheat reef]

How are paint types called? Matte and?

[atomic notch]

Shiny

[sullen gull]

Shiny

[wheat reef]

Shiny🤤

[hard ivy]

just switch to english at this point lol

[atomic notch]

Matte black everything so it looks like the void

[sullen gull]

With a -5 in the third slider 🤤

[wheat reef]

I just realized i'll have to build 600 generatora cause I just dont have 720 overclock modules

[prisma thicket]

Have you unlocked Production Amplification yet?

[wheat reef]

to make double the resource ith 4 times power usage?

[hard ivy]

yeah, do that to slugs

[wheat reef]

yes, turning slimes i had in depot into modules rn

42 purple slimes

perhaps I DO have 720 modules

10 modules each purple slime iirc

[sullen gull]

With sloops, yes

Or, wait, is the normal 10?

[prisma thicket]

Glorious Power Shards

Normal is 5

[sullen gull]

Ahh, 1..3?.. and 5 normal right?

[jaunty jewel]

hi

[wheat reef]

yup

[prisma thicket]

1,2,5

[sullen gull]

Ahh, that's right. lol. I stopped paying attention a long time ago after 1.0. Just do MAM, get some sloops, and build the doubler factory as early as I can and just feed it as much as I can 🙂

[prisma thicket]

Best way to do it, gives you freedom to play around with clock speeds more

[sullen gull]

I always go for least amount of structures possible, so almost always have most at 250% 🤣 .

Of course, probably not 'right' though.

[jaunty jewel]

its usually harder to make 500 machines look nicer than 200

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️

[jaunty jewel]

i might stop procrastinating my nuclear power plant

[prisma thicket]

If you've got the powergrid to sustain it, why not right? lol

[sullen gull]

Aye. And, with this save, I am just building a PG for each factory individually.. for the most part anyhow.

[jaunty jewel]

thats a good point, do i have the power for my power plant

i do in fact have enough power

power shards however...

[sullen gull]

Doing 'All uranium'? Or being a bit more modest?

[jaunty jewel]

im not that insane, just 600

[prisma thicket]

That's always the scary one isn't it? Go to make a big upgrade to your power infrastructure, only to realize you might not have the power to get it started

[jaunty jewel]

(using fertile uranium recipe)

[sullen gull]

Nice.

[quick acorn]

how does one switch to 1.1

[jaunty jewel]

i barely had enough to start up the uranium fuel rod production line, like i had to use power in my power storages

i blame the water extractors!

[prisma thicket]

At least you had the storage setup beforehand

[prisma thicket]

Oddly the solution is more water extractors xD

[jaunty jewel]

250 to ufr, 50 to nuke nobelisks, 300 to fertile uranium

[jaunty jewel]

not enough space to stick with the design i had going, didnt want to place down 20 more npps

oh wait im dumb i get it now

yeah, by the end im hoping to have about 200 gw of power

230 gw

actually closer to 250 huh

[prisma thicket]

Make more machines and underclock, water extractors are a great example of how underclocking can save you huge amounts of power. For Coal gens, the Goden Ratio is 8:3 gens to extractors right? But if you want to save some power, make 4 extractors, 4 underclocked to 75% uses less total power than 3 at 100%

[jaunty jewel]

meh, 3 at 100% tickles my brain better

[hard ivy]

a whole 8.8% less

[prisma thicket]

And if you do say 6 extractors or even 8, the power savings increases. It's just a matter of having the space

[prisma thicket]

It's still power saved. Can make the difference in a huge project like a big nuclear power plant before it's online.

[jaunty jewel]

im more worried about space tbh

[prisma thicket]

Well... that kills my "more machines, less power" idea lol

[jaunty jewel]

im trying to avoid verticality (especially now im gonna have fluids involved) so its all visible from the sky

that reminds me ...

im gonna check something 1 sec

[wheat reef]

Do drones work like trains? Can they go to multiple stations?

[jaunty jewel]

mutliple drones can go to 1 station

[prisma thicket]

I believe drones are point to point, one pickup one dropoff per drone

[wheat reef]

So if I want to carry from A and B to C i need 2 drones?

sadness

[jaunty jewel]

do A -> C and B -> C

[wheat reef]

yea, thx

[jaunty jewel]

you can fuel both drones at port C too

[wheat reef]

OH that's good

[prisma thicket]

Pretty much whichever port the drones have in common is the best point to fuel them.

[wheat reef]

so i pump fuel on C, they come to C, get fuel, go to their point, carry stuff to C and get fueled again

cool, thank y'all

[jaunty jewel]

(provided there is enough fuel for both drones ofc)

[prisma thicket]

Just need to make sure they have some fuel to make the journey from their home port to the third port

[jaunty jewel]

oh boy, idk why im planning phase 5 factory now but this is gonna be hell (fun)

im just concerned about how much power ill need (roughly)

[jaunty jewel]

and dw i have completed phase 5 before, this is just more ambitious than what i did last time

[wheat reef]

4 coal nodes and 16 coal gens

all you need for phase 5 ^^

[sullen gull]

I do this. Go to Modeler to see what I still have to do for my Alu factory, start planning an Assembly Director plant 🤣

[prisma thicket]

I do 48 gens off 4 nodes lol if not more

[wheat reef]

it was back when i had mk2 miners only

[sullen gull]

64 gens from 4 here

[jaunty jewel]

side rant i HATE adaptive control units, they are bad, i dont like them, they suck and they are not cool and bad

[prisma thicket]

Using mk.2 miners you can get 48 gens of coal no problem, just takes a few power shards

[hard ivy]

Technically, all you need is 5 MW

[wheat reef]

I mean yea but i didn't care them

[hard ivy]

1 encoder at 1% pulls up to 4.55 MW. You technically don't need more than that

[sullen gull]

Lol. I have not made anything to make phase parts outside of frame assy, and smart plates I think .

[wheat reef]

I need mk6 belts...

[sullen gull]

And that's like one assembler each lol

[wheat reef]

pain

[jaunty jewel]

MAN i need so many time crystal

gonna have to eat some oil

[wheat reef]

If I clip splitter into the mk3 miner and connect 2 mk5 belts will it work?

or i need mk6 belts anyway

[jaunty jewel]

im sure i can bully some oil nodes somewhere

[prisma thicket]

You only need mk.6 belts for a mk.3 miner on a pure node that's overclocked

[jaunty jewel]

new dilemma: do i process oil -> diamonds at source and either a) transport back to my current factory where all the parts are already being made or b) other way around

[prisma thicket]

Whichever one involves moving less stuff 😛

[jaunty jewel]

either way ill have to move hella SAM (probably)

[hard ivy]

Reanimate it immediately

It'll be 4x less stuff to move than raw SAM

[jaunty jewel]

i think if i do it this way i dont waste any dmr

and therefore 0 sam is needed (other than to kickstart it probably)

[wheat reef]

mk6 belts are

too bright

[jaunty jewel]

actually i need sam for trigons nvm

i guess ill use aluminium since ill need alclad sheets anyway

MAN i am lucky i already have 9.5 supercomputers ready to be abused by quantum encoders

and i can automate power shards with the excess crystals

this looks pretty fun, shame im on phase 4

[wheat reef]

How do I deliver 2 different resources with drones and separate them on the destination point?

[pliant sedge]

What unlocks Blueprints Mk2?

[wheat reef]

Blueprint maker is not 5x5 instead of 4x4

[pliant sedge]

NM I found it. Thanks

[jaunty jewel]

use smart or programmable splitter

[wheat reef]

Thx

[peak wasp]

behold my newest abomination

#screenshots message

Thoughts on my massive stupid thing

[jaunty jewel]

not stupid

[peak wasp]

Lol that's to make iron plates xD

[jaunty jewel]

you need a few iron plates

i need 333.33/min for what im planning

[prisma thicket]

Man, I wish you could upgrade storage containers into the industrial ones 😦

[peak wasp]

this makes sense

[wheat reef]

What happens if drone tries to land on a port with drone on the port?

[jaunty jewel]

it just waits above it until the port is clear

[peak wasp]

oh god I fucked up

I made far too many iron plates.

[jaunty jewel]

how many?

[sullen gull]

You'll be fiiiine

[peak wasp]

I wanted to power one machine making the verstile frameworks

I accidentally put 5'

[jaunty jewel]

save the rest of the plates for other things

[peak wasp]

in the modules it wanted five

[sullen gull]

Might have to delete the save and start again at this point 🤷‍♂️

[peak wasp]

my trying to figure out how the modeler works

[jaunty jewel]

i like modeler

gives me far more freedom than using other planners as i can choose exactly what recipes i want where and use multiple recipes etc

[sullen gull]

You ever wonder why they're so so many wrecks with hard drives? Those are all the past failed saves!

[jaunty jewel]

also allows me to separate multiple recipes that make the same thing (e.g 3 items need 1 item, i can make separate points for each rather than having lines going all over my screen to 3 diff machines)

hang on let me pull up an example thats badly worded

[rapid wren]

How about the ability to remove things from the object scanner? has anybody made that suggestion before? it would be a massive QOL improvement when searching for actually useful things

[prisma thicket]

I actually have a theory about those, based purely on my own brain's random thoughts 😛 I think ADA noticed something about the planet, but couldn't get anyone to investigate it, so it started intentionally crashing freighters over the planet until Ficsit finally decided to send a Pioneer.

[jaunty jewel]

but you need beryl nut

[sullen gull]

Wydm? Everying is useful!

[prisma thicket]

Well one of ADA's interactions with "the voice" basically says ADA was looking for the voice, without knowing what to actually look for.

[rapid wren]

ill pick them randomly, i can't imagine ever using the scanner for that

an option to toggle off some things would be nice, so i don't need to scroll through lots of shit

i just wanna find drives and alien artifacts

[pastel goblet]

Hold left mouse button and use the wheel

[rapid wren]

that's way worse then scrolling through the flora

[pastel goblet]

To each their own. I find it quicker and more reliable to get exactly what I want instead of scrolling until I find it

But yeah, would be nice to be able to skip the nuts

[jaunty jewel]

#math-and-meta

[sullen gull]

I have been trying to look, but I could've sworn that somewhere/sometime, ADA says something about you being the 119th attempt or something. And there are only 118 drives. ....

[sullen gull]

You know about holding V and having the wheel come up right?

[rapid wren]

object scanner

[sullen gull]

Or are you talking about the radio scanner thing?

[prisma thicket]

Wrong scanner, they were talking about the object scanner, not the resource scanner

[sullen gull]

Ahh yeah, Sorry, caught up now. But yeah, as lion said, hold LMB

[rapid wren]

that's even worse then scrolling

[torn cairn]

anyone notice the items held in your hand shake separately from the hand? I don't think that's been a thing until recently but I can't stop noticing it

[prisma thicket]

Hmmmm not something I've noticed

[prisma thicket]

Ok, I notice it now that I've taken a closer look... weird

[mortal ginkgo]

I noticed it just today and I wonder why I didn't before. Global Illumination makes it more obvious btw

[prisma thicket]

Hmmm do you guys think I should just make a basic ass oil setup with a few fuel gens for added power, or should I do what I did last save and go straight to a giant turbo fuel power plant producing a little bit of plastic and rubber?

[sullen gull]

Rocket Fuel bebe!

[mortal ginkgo]

Is there a reason to not go for turbo considering it asks for compacted coal only?

[prisma thicket]

I can't do RF yet, I just got to phase 3 lol

[mortal ginkgo]

🫢

Someone is not willing to save puppies and kitties fast enough

[sullen gull]

Not doing Alu yet?

[prisma thicket]

Lol no, just got done automating everything steel lol still gotta get through Oil processing before Alu

And waiting for the freighter is the bane of my existence right now lol

I want to complete my milestones so I can bugger off exploring again xD

[sullen gull]

Imo, and someone else most likely has a different/better idea, But I say just a few to get you by, till you get RF.

[reef forge]

todays satisfactory itinerary has been completed 👍
I got the alternate recipes i want
I doubled my power generation
I finished automating encased industrial frames

[sullen gull]

Or build it to "add-on" RF later 🤷‍♂️

Unless you're going nuclear at some point.

[prisma thicket]

Good work, still having fun right?

[reef forge]

hell yes

[prisma thicket]

Then you're absolutely winning 😛

[wheat reef]

How to pump oil upwards easily? with water i would just make a water tower, but with oil

[prisma thicket]

Still don't think I'm up for that ball of wax

[sullen gull]

All fluids act the same. Only difference is when you start messing with gas

[wheat reef]

gas just goes

[mortal ginkgo]

gas is your bro, does not need pumps etc For some reason I thought oil was gas. Yes. 1.30am here.

[prisma thicket]

Just make sure you are using the right version of pump for the height you need.

[sullen gull]

Main reason I enjoy RF for any Gen farms.

[wheat reef]

can I draw a scheme and send in screenshots? or better make a thread at qna?

[trim vine]

kinda the same concept

Pump the oil up high

and have it flow down to where its needed

[prisma thicket]

Both work, though QnA will be your own thread

[sturdy mural]

what the hell
i'm trying to drive scum

Pure Copper drops: 0
high speed connector drops: 10 IN A ROW

[sullen gull]

Dumb question, but with using signs as lights, it doesn't matter which layout you use right?

[sturdy mural]

iirc no, but i personally use the one with just the text

[sullen gull]

Yeah, same. Was just making sure.

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope, however the one with Text got text visible ultra barely if that annoys you. So you need to clear the text every time etc.

[trim vine]

it does, you want something with no icon in it, so you can set the background and text colour to be the same

[sullen gull]

The extra clicks and searching for the 'none' icon is annoying lol

[mortal ginkgo]

CTRL C + V is your friend

[sturdy mural]

i mean you can CTRL C and CTRL V em

[trim vine]

Remember, once you do it once, you can copy and paste the settings, just like @mortal ginkgo said

[sullen gull]

Ahh well yeah, no doubt. Still gotta setup that first one though 😏

[sturdy mural]

AGIN
No i do not want your Silicon High Speed Connector GO AWAY

[prisma thicket]

Leave it in the library lol that way you CAN'T get it again xD

[sullen gull]

Heh, I had asked ChatGPT to give me some good hex colour codes for lighting 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Oh, and how did that turn out?

[sturdy mural]

yeah but i'm trying to get copper

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[prisma thicket]

Leaving the ones you don't want in the library takes 2 out of the pool of possible rolls on your next drive, by selecting one you take one out and put one back in, decreasing your odds slightly

[sullen gull]

So far they're working out I guess lol

[sturdy mural]

i'm leaving em
i'm rerolling tho

[prisma thicket]

rerolling is good, it still leaves 2 unwanted ones in the library

[sturdy mural]

yeah but whats my luck not egtting a single copper but like 15 connectors

[sullen gull]

Ficsit Knows and is making you work for it!

[sturdy mural]

Well Ficsit should know that i'm very inefficient because i'm not getting it

[prisma thicket]

Haha wow, just noticed a fully overclocked and slooped constructor goes from 4 MW to 53.7 MW used lol

[mortal ginkgo]

boi constructmaxxing

[prisma thicket]

Just solid biofuel things lol

[mortal ginkgo]

biofuelmetamaxxing

[finite cave]

anyone else have issue where conveyer lift will not connect to mergers

[mortal ginkgo]

I cant sloop stuff because I dont have those silly circuit things

[jaunty jewel]

what i do typically involved diluted packaged fuel, but on this playthrough i did packaged diluted fuel + turbofuel

[mortal ginkgo]

I have 4 sloops that sit idle going "bruh"

[prisma thicket]

circuit boards?

[cyan garnet]

Wait till you fully overclock and sloop a particle accelerator

[mortal ginkgo]

ya, I still dont have oil so

[jaunty jewel]

the quantum encoder in question

[brave horizon]

Is there a looking for group channel?

[prisma thicket]

Explore man, I had 300+ circuit boards in phase 2

[finite cave]

#1201555265942724758

[mortal ginkgo]

I did. Q_Q

[jaunty jewel]

(they have the same maximum i think but quantum encoder has it for all its recipes rather than some)

[jaunty jewel]

for those curious its ~25.6gw from what i remember

[prisma thicket]

Holy balls O.o

[jaunty jewel]

nope 26.8

[rapid wren]

this biofuel stuff is weird, are people actually farming beasts, and slooping all the stept of production to make huge amounts of solid fuel?

or is it possible to automate biofuel

[jaunty jewel]

biofuel is funky

i never ran out of it after my friend made a small setup with howver many leaves and whatnot

[prisma thicket]

Nah, I just had a ton of leaves and wood on me from clearing the area for my steel factory

[sullen gull]

Not possible to automate, though it's better to use the protein for DNA caps and sink em

[jaunty jewel]

and im also the person who just buys jetpack fuel from the shop

[mortal ginkgo]

you can get ULTRA RIDICULOUS amount of liquid biofuel by slooping the steps and probably get 100 hours of gameplay time of fuel for your trucks and whatnot.

[prisma thicket]

I worked it out the other day, with sloops in every step, 1 wood = 3 liquid biofuel lol

[mortal ginkgo]

you are not slooping the correct thing

you supposed to sloop animal corpse -> animal box thing -> biomass -> biofuel -> liquid biofuel -> my mom

you will literally drown in liquid bio

oh and packaging them too

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gif-8157463497652432250

[jaunty jewel]

with 1 wood per minute -> 10 biomass (slooped) per min -> 10 solid biofuel /min (sloop) -> 13.33 liquid biofuel /min (sloop)

literally no reason to sloop all of this

[sullen gull]

Blasphemer!

[jaunty jewel]

1 constructor of wood gives you 100 liquid biofuel / min consuming 60 wood / min

no sloops *

[rapid wren]

1 corpse - 2 protein - 400 biomass - 400 biofuel. is that correct?

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message

[jaunty jewel]

• 266.66 liquid bio

[sullen gull]

Still though, Mycillia is where it's at if biomass is wanted right?

[mortal ginkgo]

Now THAT is exploitation of wildlife that we want to see. Good job Pioneer

[rapid wren]

normally it's 1 corpse - 1 protein - 100 mass - 50 fuel. 8x with 3 steps of doubling 🙂

[jaunty jewel]

this is making me feel ill, why can 1 constructor making protein - > biomass make a total of 7,500 biomass per minute with max clock + sloop

that is insanity

with sloops thats 10000 liquid biofuel/min

2500 plastic worth of canisters (slooping plastic -> canisters)

[rapid wren]

won't be doing that for long, you can't farm that much wood or protein

[sullen gull]

Well, technically, mobs respawn ... sooo

[rapid wren]

can't maintain the 10k fuel per min

[jaunty jewel]

i wonder what the total amount of liquid biofuel you could make is if slooping all steps and harvesting the whole map (not including mobs respawning)

[mortal ginkgo]

if he is using 10k fuel per min, I think something else is wrong buddy

that is generally great for trucks and drones etc

[jovial oracle]

When were you guys going to tell me that the spiders freaking jump

[mortal ginkgo]

you are still on a manual timer but I think by the time it ends Satisfactory 2 Revenge of ADA will be released

[prisma thicket]

Um... we weren't 😛

[jaunty jewel]

this still produces less power than rocket fuel with less than a pure oil node worth of oil (520.83 according to this)

well equal to 520.83 oil worth of rocket fuel (using nitro alt)

[mortal ginkgo]

Nobody told me there were larger versions of them and I got jumpscared after hitting with a car and getting out to get its remains, only to get back up and jumpscare the heck out of me

[jovial oracle]

I just found out that you can turn off lights by clapping.

[mortal ginkgo]

you are not meant to fuel your factory with it. Maybe kickstart etc

[deft axle]

Why does my OCD want me to build an individual factory for every item past ORE and INGOTS in the game.

[jaunty jewel]

dude i know this lol

i am doing meaningless stuff for fun

[sullen gull]

Hit enter and type 'Thanks Jace, Helps a Lot!'

[deft axle]

Like why have an iron factory if I can have a factory for each rod, sheet, RIP, rotor, mod frame etc..

[wheat reef]

How to separate 2700 oil between 45 refineries evenly

[prisma thicket]

Why NOT make factories for each item?

[rapid wren]

i just listened to ADA tell the voice that i will become.... reduntant....

[deft axle]

It’s seems so impractical lol

[jaunty jewel]

seeing big number release endorphins

[jaunty jewel]

if its what you want to do, go for it

[wheat reef]

She admits that it's more pleasant to talk to the voice than to people

[jaunty jewel]

you wont need every item you make, for example stators are only used as an intermediate

[rapid wren]

first time i actually felt a litle scared in this game is when ADA said ''any damage caused to the blood will not affect the transmission'', i thought i was gonna die.

[deft axle]

WAIT is there a list for all items that are intermediate items??

[rapid wren]

is this spoilery?

[deft axle]

Stators aren’t used in any building?

[prisma thicket]

Screws, stators, circuit boards and heatsinks are all best produced as part of a production line, no need for them anywhere else

[jaunty jewel]

just saying though be careful you dont build too much or your pc may turn into an australian wildfire

[jaunty jewel]

screws for awesome shop:

trust me it is very important

[prisma thicket]

Meh, you only need one awesome shop, either keep 200 screws on you, or just keep one awesome shop up all the time

[broken thorn]

Chat, share me your best turbofuel / rocket fuel tools, I'm counting on you

[deft axle]

What are yalls theories for factories? Do you have an iron factory but separate factories for items that require other ores likes steel?

[rapid wren]

don't, just use 5 pipes, and manifold it 9 refineries per pipe :]

[mortal ginkgo]

I personally like Raw to Final Product Factories

[wheat reef]

Working on it rn
#screenshots message

[prisma thicket]

I just finished building my "everything steel" factory, does Pipes, Beams, Encased Beams, Motors, Versatile Framework and Automated Wiring.

[jaunty jewel]

i do this too, but i definitely do not mind importing intermediates from across the map (such as fmfs for my pasta which i made in literally the middle of nowhere)

[jaunty jewel]

automated wiring is a contender for my least favourite item in the game

[deft axle]

So anything that requires iron ore will be in one factory?

[stoic plinth]

any way to remove the poisoning fog or however u wanna call it

[prisma thicket]

At least it's not hard to make, stators and cable, pretty basic stuff

[jaunty jewel]

bomb the fart rocks or the fart flowers

[deft axle]

Ohhh ok I like

[mortal ginkgo]

oh no, I make the "final most optimal" thing in one factory and send iron ore there

[stoic plinth]

love u man, i would kiss ur balls if i were near u, thx

[broken thorn]

Why are you not using diluted fuel

[rapid wren]

i always smelt ores on the miner if i can.

[jaunty jewel]

i wouldnt recommend that you might get sent to prison

[wheat reef]

Now that's a good question

[deft axle]

Example?

[wheat reef]

lemme check why i didnt...

[rapid wren]

i want smelters the FUCK away from my factories.

[mortal ginkgo]

like.. umm.. Modular Frames. I send only iron ore and such

[jaunty jewel]

i use smelters if i need small quantity of ingot. if i need larger quantity of ingot, i hit my head against the wall for every refinery i have to place

[stoic plinth]

high risk= high reward what can i say, aight time to build my cutie factory, thx once again

[jaunty jewel]

have fun i suppose

[broken thorn]

You also didn't put how to get nitric acid on it

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message My starter factory, does everything Iron, copper and caterium, plus concrete

[broken thorn]

Anyone has a better tools? I want to check if there are any ideas better than mine

[sullen gull]

But, how you do that?

[cyan garnet]

!wikisesrch independency

[jaunty jewel]

a good way to plan factories is to find a final product you need, such as something needed for the space elevator or a hub upgrade, come up with how many you want (dont go over 10 for most items they can be a pain in the ass), and work backwards from there

[jaunty jewel]

what do you use

[broken thorn]

I mean, you gotta include everything in it, you can just say " x nitric acid input "

[cyan garnet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[sullen gull]

Daaaamn, that was my issue this whole time! 🤦‍♂️

[broken thorn]

Diluted fuel + heavy oil residue for fuel, then I turn it into default turbofuel. There might be a way to do it using way less sulfur and coal that I want to know

[jaunty jewel]

planner

[cyan garnet]

Plug it into SF tools and compare the plans

[jaunty jewel]

i just use the nitro alt

[wheat reef]

cause it makes 7k oil
I'd need 3800 of both coal and sulfur

[broken thorn]

I'm in mobile I don't think I have it here

[cyan garnet]

It works on mobile too, just a bit janky

[broken thorn]

Lemme check it

[cyan garnet]

How much are you trying to make? What are your inputs?

[wheat reef]

i checked their idea, with 2700 oil input it's 3800 sulfur and 3800 coal a minute to craft compacted coal for turbofuel

[jaunty jewel]

to make 250 rocket fuel:
nitro:
-62.5 crude oil (hor -> diluted fuel)
-125 nitrogen gas
-166.66 sulfur
-83.33 coal
-41.66 compact coal byproduct

default:
-67.5 crude
-95 coal
-95 sulfur
-100 nitrogen
-12.5 iron
-no compact coal byproduct (used in turbofuel production)

nitro: saves crude oil, coal and power, doesnt use iron
default: saves sulfur and nitrogen

[wheat reef]

one overclocked mk3 miner on pure node only gives 1200 coal/sulfur

[broken thorn]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=fcyZr71Y45GPq0Ou42XW

[mortal ginkgo]

well at some point one gotta go nuclear

[broken thorn]

I made this up now, is there any better way to do it ?

[broken thorn]

Nah, I'd rocket fuel

[mortal ginkgo]

bro blz

[broken thorn]

What

[mortal ginkgo]

embrace nuclear

[jaunty jewel]

why are you making so much turbofuel...

[broken thorn]

That's nothing

It only makes 80gw +-

[jaunty jewel]

have fun placing 960 rocket fuel generators ig

[sullen gull]

Didn't someone say big numbers bring out the endorphins? 😏

[jaunty jewel]

oh your just...

[broken thorn]

My present max consumption is 15gw and my production is 5gw

[broken thorn]

Divide that by 2.5

[jaunty jewel]

in reasonable proportion, this is a bad idea

when theyre just used to look at sure its fun but when you realise someone actually wants to do that thing it becomes concerning instantly

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, you can use what you use for rocketfuel for other stuff

after one goes nuclear

[jaunty jewel]

like its fun to think about grahams number but if anyone ever tried to calculate or compute it id be worried

[rapid wren]

who ever needs 60 gigawatts of power

[jaunty jewel]

960 is 240 gigawatts

[rapid wren]

i meant 600 gw.

[jaunty jewel]

still very far off lol

[rapid wren]

or won't you overclock em

[jaunty jewel]

ah with 250% overclock sure

[broken thorn]

I won't turn it into rocket fuel

[jaunty jewel]

idk overclocking fuel generators seems like a blunder to me, nuclear power plants i understand

[rapid wren]

would you ever not overclock fuel burners

[broken thorn]

At least I don't think I will

[sage wind]

Why would they make steel production in foundry not a multiple of 30 so evil

[jaunty jewel]

complete waste of power shards imo

[broken thorn]

You can automate those

[jaunty jewel]

alternate recipes

[jaunty jewel]

not until phase 5

if you decide to make it in phase 5 then sure go ahead but doing it before phase 5 is lunacy imo

[broken thorn]

Well, although that's true I can get over 300 power shards in an hour of exploration

People out there can get even more

Considering it's 2x rates with somersloop

[jaunty jewel]

yeah i just think its better spent on production and that is my view on it

[broken thorn]

And I have 600 unused power shards rn

[rapid wren]

i have no idea about t9, i assume that is when you can make shards. are shards still not worth making then?

[jaunty jewel]

to fully clock 960 worth of gens it takes 1152 shards to get 384 250% gens

[prisma thicket]

If you use 2 foundries, it works out very nicely to 1 constructor of pipes and 1 of beams, 90 iron and coal per minute

[broken thorn]

Gotta get more then

[jaunty jewel]

thats for rocket fuel keepin mind

[broken thorn]

But as I said I won't do that many generators, I'll probably leave it at 2400 turbofuel and feed 400 generators

[jaunty jewel]

huh? theyre optional yeah and theyre not that expensive

i get to make 12/min as a byproduct

[sage wind]

But I have 120 so its a waste, I think I do 3 foundries and underclock to 40 each

[finite cave]

is diluted fuel still the best fuel recipe for fuel gen

[rapid wren]

so there is so issue sharding x3 on everything in t9 , or?

[wheat reef]

Guys
SHould I make a 576 fully overclocked rocket fuel gens?

[rapid wren]

ofcourse, wtf kinda question is this

[wheat reef]

producing 360GWt

[broken thorn]

Good luck

[rapid wren]

why not make it a round 1000

or 666 if you're really cool

[broken thorn]

[jaunty jewel]

for fuel yues

[finite cave]

alr ty

[prisma thicket]

You could also underclock your miners to 90 each and be done with it

[wheat reef]

Check this out #screenshots message

[jaunty jewel]

i dont like you

[wheat reef]

Why :3

[broken thorn]

It would be fun to make a train with 8 freight cars carrying notrogen gas I won't lie

Multiple trains

[wheat reef]

There is no need
One pressurizer and 7 pure nodes already gives 2700

[prisma thicket]

Nitrogen is best transported in a bottle if you're going to move it.

[finite cave]

how do u get your lines straight inthe modeler

[sullen gull]

wishes for Zooped signs 😒

[sullen gull]

Settings : 2d

[wheat reef]

Settings, style, 2d

[jaunty jewel]

hmmmm i might increase my power shard production from 12 to 40.8

[finite cave]

ty

[jaunty jewel]

nevermind i am not making 30 superposition oscillators per minute just for a slight boost in power

[wheat reef]

so, what do y;all think? Should i do this mess of a project or just stick to my old one without deluted oil

[jaunty jewel]

the third mystery option that will not be revealed until 18th November 2064

[cyan garnet]

Follow your bliss

[prisma thicket]

It's up to you, but I say go BIG

[wheat reef]

first one gives 150gwt, second gives 360

[sullen gull]

Ok, how much power can be maxed from nuclear? I want to do a 1.21GW (points for reference) build, but I think I'm going to have to mix 😏

[jaunty jewel]

1.21GW is not a lot at all

thats not even a 50% npp

do you mean TW?

[prisma thicket]

I think you mean 1.21 TW

[sullen gull]

Well, I figured there was going to be a bit of 'conversion' to make it viable for the game 😏

[broken thorn]

What

[sullen gull]

I do, but the reference states 1.21GW... hence that number lol

[sullen gull]

Because im the games power measurement is 'bloated' So, yes, in this case, it would be 1.21TW to make it useful in game...

[prisma thicket]

Isn't the maximum number of uranium fuel rods per minute 50.4 or something like that? All the Uranium on the map

[sullen gull]

Lol, never mind.

[jaunty jewel]

nuclear maxes out at a few

[sullen gull]

goes back to his colouring books

[jaunty jewel]

why now, does autocorrect, which is disabled on my phone, decide to change 'maxes out' to 'makes out'

[wheat reef]

Aight, i'll leave the 360gwt project for after my summer practice at uni and now just stick to my basic idea of 150gwt

[sullen gull]

I mean, what other convos you trying to have? eh? ehhhh? 😏

[prisma thicket]

Perhaps it read your mind and you were secretly thinking about making out with Tinker 😛

[jaunty jewel]

i have a girlfriend

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gif-8157463497652432250

[prisma thicket]

And?

[jaunty jewel]

and i am 16

[prisma thicket]

Ok, the age might be a problem, but who says you can't make out with someone else when you have a girlfriend? Probably your girlfriend, but who else? xD

[sullen gull]

Uhhhh .....

[jaunty jewel]

me, because i am not a terrible person

[sullen gull]

Ugh, so need the Nathan Filian : But, uh, er, mmmm

[lime ermine]

I come here for efficient tips and see this

[prisma thicket]

Lol ethical polyamory is a thing

[sullen gull]

Yes, things can get segwayed from time to time. What you working on today pioneer!

[jaunty jewel]

yeah no

[mortal ginkgo]

here is a tip; you can transfer fuel for Truck and Drone Stations via Carts as Carts need no fuel

[jaunty jewel]

lets not talk about this

[jaunty jewel]

belts also require no fuel!

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you just need to stop.

[jaunty jewel]

nor power, so just use those to ship things everywhere

easy!

[prisma thicket]

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh cmon. Ultra long belts are meh.

[broken thorn]

Ok guys I think I have the tools I will use now

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=x2BYLJf3LWXZzJh2YeTW

[lime ermine]

I needed a good laugh

[broken thorn]

@jaunty jewel Plz don't hate me 💔

[broken thorn]

I use them for stuff under 1.5km

[jaunty jewel]

for what purpose

[broken thorn]

I have some belt highway blueprint that looks good

[sullen gull]

As I seem to keep hearing at Arby's : Happy to help!

[glass steppe]

where do i get 1.1 from

[mortal ginkgo]

I think hiding belts beneath factory etc and not see them around is a cool concept on its own.

Also I like my Tractors going around. They even bonk me time to time.

[broken thorn]

To bring my frames to 5 fps when looking at it

[glass steppe]

is it exclusive or sum

[broken thorn]

Are you using steam ?

[glass steppe]

yeah

[sullen gull]

If you're on steam, go under settings Properties > Betas

[glass steppe]

ah

[sullen gull]

Change your version there and it will update

[glass steppe]

alr, thanks a lot

[broken thorn]

I'll probably take 800 of those and put them in containers so I can use them as fuel in drones

Maybe more if I see fit

[jaunty jewel]

youll need a lot of srones for that

[broken thorn]

Oh yeah drones consume almost nothing

[sullen gull]

The only thing bad about using the Black with the third slider (can't remember if that is Luminosity) set to -5 is using the flashlight does nothing lol. The black absorbs all the light 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Set it to SHINY, maybe it will reflect better 😛

[sullen gull]

NEVAH!

[prisma thicket]

I like my 100/100 White and Red SHINY lol

[sullen gull]

Not sure why by I read that and think "Resident Evil-esqu Factory"

[prisma thicket]

I mean, now that you mention it... it does kinda look a little "Umbrella-ish"

[sullen gull]

Umbrella Corp ... that's what I couldn't think of

[prisma thicket]

I just went with my flag colours cause I'm original like that lol

[sullen gull]

Denmark? or Japan?

[prisma thicket]

Canada

[sullen gull]

Oh, yeah, duh lol

[short meadow]

hey so i went from the epic games version to the steam version of the game and copied over my save file how do i make it so i play as the same charetor

[prisma thicket]

😛 those were good guesses though, as would be Switzerland and a few others I'm sure. I think Turkey or one of it's neighbouring countries has a flag that's just a stripe of white over red.

[short meadow]

all ym stuff is on the "other acount"

like inbitory stuff

[sullen gull]

Yeah, immediately thought Nordic Countries 🤷‍♂️

OK, I think I can work with this: #screenshots message

Wiring ran along the underside/side of Catwalks.

[prisma thicket]

I'm surprised you left that one power pole up lol

[sullen gull]

Just for hoverpack at the moment 😏

[prisma thicket]

Ahhh gotcha

[sullen gull]

Foundations, walls, power poles, all going away soon. Just all used for 'template'

Hate when I am flying around still in photo mode, hud hidden, wondering why I can't sample stuff with MMB 😒

[prisma thicket]

Lol 1.1 problems 😛

[thorny drift]

I FINALLY GOT COAL POWER SET UP RAHHH

I DID NOT NEED A FLUID DYNAMICS CLASS IN MY FACTORY BUILDING GAME

why did i use mk.2 conveyors i have a single coal generator 😭

[prisma thicket]

How much coal is your miner giving you per minute?

[sacred summit]

Borrowed that Foundry principle we talked about yesterday to stuff 8 constructors in the 4x4 grid @prisma thicket

[thorny drift]

its a pure node so uhhh checks wiki 120

oh so i am smart

[prisma thicket]

That's enough coal to fill a mk.2 conveyor, and to power 8 coal generators if you want to set that up.

[thorny drift]

yipe

[prisma thicket]

Very nice 😄 Double manifold style or all facing into the center?

[sacred summit]

All in the center

[thorny drift]

these words scare me

[prisma thicket]

You'll get used to them if you continue playing the game. It may seem scary now, but it gets easier over time.

[sacred summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375638942967402639/image.png

[prisma thicket]

Ooooo very nice!

[thorny drift]

my game froze again TwT

i love how my game decides to completely freeze after about an hour

[sullen gull]

Ooo, that does look slick.

[sacred summit]

Thank ya!

[sullen gull]

The cool thing will be with 1.1 and you can nudge the mergers down .5 and have the belts straight 😏

[sacred summit]

👀 yes please

[sullen gull]

I think you can achieve the same thing with beam tricky now though... 🤔

Either way, still looks good.

[tulip pecan]

Is there a mode / setting / mod that will make every necessary connection non-colliding, so that it would be possible to build a fully non-colliding factory?

[sullen gull]

Like @elder apex does here? #screenshots message

[dense violet]

coal fluids are a lot more tolerant of bull shit than future set ups 🙂

[dense violet]

you mean turn off soft clipping? no

[tulip pecan]

does that "ridiculously clipped" mean lots of clipping, or no clipping?

just from the look of it, yeah, that's how I'd prefer to play. all the pipes and such not intersecting with each other

[sullen gull]

Ridiculously clipped lol. Funny enough though, it does look interesting

Though I am not sure how they do it. You'll have to ask them. I assume maybe infinite nudge 🤷‍♂️

[tulip pecan]

I haven't gotten far enough in the game to recognize some of those buildings

[sullen gull]

Which is a mod.

[tulip pecan]

so I don't know what you're referring to about how they do what

[sullen gull]

Eh, hard to tell anyhow as it's a lot on top of each other. Water extractors, refineries, fuel gens, and other, all stacked on top of each other.

[tulip pecan]

oh, got it

so yeah, not that 🙂

[sullen gull]

But, as Colbalt stated, no real way of disabling the soft clipping. Not without mods AFAIK.

[tulip pecan]

I don't think you could play with it disabled. It seems to be necessary for some connections

like even just simple pipe connections into a machine or junction, straight on, often have the yellow clipping highlight

[elder apex]

https://ficsit.app/mod/UniversalSoftClearance is the mod that disables the clearance requirements and allows you to stack machines with little regard to their location

[tulip pecan]

yeah, that's the opposite of what I meant

[sullen gull]

Ahh, you want to make clipping MORE resistant?

[elder apex]

wouldn't the Automatic Clearance Separation setting disallow even soft clipping?

as written it would move your buildings automatically if they are built within another buildings clearance

[sullen gull]

Yeah, just doesn't automatically move them.

Or, maybe I misunderstood the question. You still can't clip with that off, it just doesn't move to an edge automatically afaik.

[severe elm]

I've never used trains before my current playthrough, they've very fun

[latent prawn]

when you reach a certain critical mass of rail traffic, it gets pretty nifty

[drowsy rock]

chat im starting satisfactory again after months 💔

[steady violet]

mine shipped finally, can't wait

[steady violet]

lmao never seen someone with the currents cat in the wild

good choice

[severe elm]

lol yea, i love cat pfps

[severe elm]

ive only made 1 basic loop to bring coal and sulfur to my power plant, but im sure it'll get more fun in the future

[latent prawn]

yeah, keep building!

[wheat reef]

#screenshots message
Any idea on the top part?

[tulip pecan]

yeah. most of the time the collision box is yellow, it's a situation I don't want to do, like belts that pass through each other.

I'd love to have a game mode where that wasn't allowed, but unfortunately it seems like the same system that detects that also triggers on normal connections in many cases

[dense violet]

Just don’t build when it shows yellow

[sacred summit]

Is there any functional difference between the "Fuel" products and "Liquid Biofuel" products, or is it just a way to carry biomass into mid-late game relevancy?

[sullen gull]

Fuel gens can't burn LB afaik

[sacred summit]

The item descriptions for both the standard and packaged variants are identical between the two

It says it can, but I haven't tried

I haven't built my first fuel gen yet

Liquid Biofuel can be used as-is to generate power, or packaged to be used as fuel for vehicles.

Or is that just a more efficient fuel for the biomass gens?

[dense violet]

Liquid bio fuel has different energy value and burns different in jet packs

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message Hmmmm I can make fuel generators now, but should I spend a few power shards to get the maximum I can get out of this setup first?

[sullen gull]

Ahh, yeah just looked it up. Wasn't aware, my bad

[dense violet]

your miners aren't already over clocked?

[prisma thicket]

Packaged liquid biofuel is the MOST efficient fuel for Bio Gens, but by the time you get it, you shouldn't be using bio gens much anymore.

[sacred summit]

Shouldn't have edited...

How about for vehicles, so that you can save normal fuel for just power gen? (And any future activities I have yet to learn)

[dense violet]

I mean, why save 'normal' fuel that is fully automated and infinite?

[prisma thicket]

Not fully, I can squeeze some more out of all 4 of them atm, 2 impure nodes 2 normal nodes, so either one more set of generators, or OC some of the existing ones to use the extra coal

[dense violet]

eh if you want. I tend to wait until tier 7 or so to swap to fuel

3-4 coal nodes maxed out gets me there pretty easily

[sacred summit]

I meant save it as in "use 100% of it for power generation, instead of taking away form the power grid for vehicle fuel"

[dense violet]

but then you have to spend time manually gathering flesh bits to turn into fuel, when there's like 12,000 oil pm on the map

[sacred summit]

Moar power.

[dense violet]

do nuclear and feed them plutonium rods 😛

[sacred summit]

😶

[prisma thicket]

Yah, I guess I can spare a few power shards, I have a couple hundred in my DD atm

[sacred summit]

Irradiated car go brrrrrrt

[dense violet]

really just personal prefernce. You can do a very large Diluted fuel power station very early on. Just make a bp with 2 packagers and a refinery

[prisma thicket]

I have 180 more coal I can get out of the current miners... hmmm how to divide that up amongst the generators so I can OC them

[dense violet]

just make new ones

the more obnoxious bit you'd have to change is the piping

[dense violet]

stack new ones one top 😄 #1368525377630244954 message

[prisma thicket]

Well I already have double feed pipes going into each line of 8 generators, so it's technically 180/180 splits

The water demand doesn't increase the same way power demands do on other machines right? It's linear increases?

[boreal musk]

input/output are always linear, only power consumption are exponential

[scenic cradle]

what should I do if i think I possibly found a bug?

[prisma thicket]

Test to see if it's something you can repeat, and if so, check the QA site to see if it's a known issue, and if not report it

[scenic cradle]

Alright thanks

[ripe kestrel]

Can anyone verify if covering belts actually helps with lag? I mean I understand that the processor is still taking on the load of tracking beltloads, but does it impact graphics positively at all?

The idea of using trucks and trains and reducing my throughput bothers me o.o

[whole zinc]

how do u guys store ur stuff?

[ripe kestrel]

I usually have an industrial storage topped with a quantum depot, and then everything else overflows to a sink.

[whole zinc]

oop im kinda in the very early stages

[leaden turret]

May 7th, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: Does covering Belts and Pipes with Walls & Foundations improve FPS?
https://youtu.be/g3u7wgW9xhA

just build however you want man

[ripe kestrel]

hmm... I guess I'll have to test it out for myself. Wish there was a mod to simulate the transfer without having the visual. I only say that because of my current pc setup. Planning on building a new pc later this year, but until then, don't want to struggle on rendering anymore than I have to.

[prisma thicket]

I decided I liked the look of things, so I just did some overclocking, 52 power shards later all the miners are maxed out and the gens are all 25% OC, so my total power has jumped to 5500 MW with just this power plant and one power augmenter 😄

So everything looks the same, except all the pretty blue lights on the gens lol

[frail sleet]

I doubt it, the visual is probably not effectively culled so it would just be rendering the belt and then rendering the wall in front of it. It's the same for things like fog; even if they greatly reduce your view distance, the game just renders everything and then draws the fog on top so it always reduces performance.

Even if so, the actual belt rendering is not so bad i think - the simulation of what is happening on the belt is probably much heavier, and that has to happen either way.

If the belt rendering were bad, the setting in the menu for how frequently you can see items on belts would fix that also.

[wanton stag]

how do i expand my personell elavtor?

like make it taller

[mossy moon]

you can snap another elevator on top of it cant you?

[hollow gyro]

I'm confused. I'm working on a motor factory from 480 ingots per minute, and trying to split it in two lanes, one for iron pipes (needing 345.6/min), and iron wire (needing 134.4/min).
I have a single splitter sending two lanes off to each separate area, yet the pipes somewhat starve. I thought that when one backs up, the other will get more of the share of the input from the splitter?

[frail sleet]

It will, but your iron wire machines need to fill up with ingots before that happens.

how many constructors do you have there

[idle stirrup]

which conveyor are you using?

[hollow gyro]

mk 4 currently

I just use that for everything currently

For additional context I'm doing this:

lemme get the image

[dense violet]

if you have enough belt throughput, and know yo uhave enough parts per min, it just takes a while for things to balance out.

especially when dealing with items with huge stack size like wire

ah but it's just ingots you're doing so shouldn't take too long

[frail sleet]

for 11 constructors it takes 1100 ingots to fill them and you're filling at a rate of 105 to 240 ingots per min (240 minus consumption), so your fill time would be about 4 to 8 minutes before it started to back up. It won't run or split properly until then.

It will actually take a bit even after that to fill up the pipe machines too

[hollow gyro]

The weird thing is that it fluctuates a lot. One of them basically seemingly randomly oscillates between 60-80ish% efficiency. I'm using the satisfactory calculator to guide for this.
The wires are vary a lot in efficiency, sometimes stopping for a while. I would show the satisfactory calculator image I'm using but I can't send it.

[frail sleet]

you can post in #math-and-meta

[dense violet]

1. ignore the efficiency meters
2. The 'realistic' layouts for satis calc is balls

if yo uwant to test out if something is very wrong hand fill some stacks of ingots in the machines so they are all full. If the ystart starving again you know theres an issue

[ripe kestrel]

It will appear like that because you are running an unbalanced line. Not a big deal, but you will have lines appear to be backed up, while others are filling, because the flow isn't split perfectly.

I would check over your machines though, and make sure that all of your copy-pasting took. May have a machine or two that isn't running at the proper speeds.

[cloud locust]

is 180 iron ores/min decent?

[ripe kestrel]

For?

[frail sleet]

earlygame numbers

[frail sleet]

has it been running for longer than 10 minutes?

[prisma thicket]

If you're in phase 1, 180 iron ore per minute is enough to get you all the basic iron items automated, so yes it's decent.

[dense violet]

personally I would end up with like... 1 normal node per basic part. But I don't worry about that until after coal power really

[prisma thicket]

Man, this disconnecting belts/lifts bug on EXP is annoying >.< had 3 stable connections just stop working while I was tweaking other things in the factory, had to disassemble everything and rebuild it 😦

[dense violet]

Yeah I don't think I've ever been tempted by exp

[deft frigate]

I'm happy just to wait for stable releases, but appreciate those who test and work out bugs like that

[idle stirrup]

well ive been tempted just for the elevator and curvy conveyors

[ripe kestrel]

Just in case you wanted some monotonous information for your day... If you run all of your mk3 desert limestone as wet concrete, you will produce 8933 concrete/min, using 11,166 water per minute...with almost 100 water extractors...I think I need to rethink my initial idea of a desert processing facility for ingots...I'll be at 45 refineries just for the concrete...this doesn't account for all of the iron and copper O.O

Was going to do a full pure processing facility..

[prisma thicket]

Damn... hard to find a good place for that many extractors in the dunes, or are you in rocky desert?

[dense violet]

there's the ocean?

also overclocking exists >.>

[ripe kestrel]

I have the factory located on the east coast of the desert. Can run more than enough extractors.

Sadly, that would just be the extractors for the limestone. I don't want to do the math currently for the iron and copper.

I may just do fine concrete instead.

[prisma thicket]

What about cutting down the amount of actual concrete you're making a bit and use some of the limestone for like basic iron and copper ingots? Saves you on water on both lines, assuming you were planning to run Pure Iron/Copper

[ripe kestrel]

Probably will. I don't necessarily need that much concrete atm, lol. For my current needs, I think I only need about 1300/min. That's to feed 20 motors/min plus encased pipes and beams.

More of speculation than anything. Though I am trying to do the entirety of my manufacturing as a complex spread over the desert, routing in any materials with minimal satellite locations for easy of transfer rates.

[prisma thicket]

Which recipe(s) need concrete for motors? Molded pipes for stators?

[ripe kestrel]

I use encased pipes for the stators and the rotors

Encased industrial beams eats up a good bit of that.

excuse my brainfart o.o I meant to say molded steel pipes for the stators and rotors.

Encased Pipes recipe for the industrial beams.

[trim vine]

you can make motors with only iron

[prisma thicket]

Lol I didn't want to say anything cause I've been awake for 37 hours, so I don't trust my brain to remember details atm lol

[ripe kestrel]

Lol. Its all good.

I'm aware, but I don't mind running the concrete, as I have an excess.

Either way, I have to route something, but I already have a 240/min line setup for quantum, and will not outrun my supply of concrete anytime soon

Probably going to setup all basic construction materials to a 240/min line and then start building out factories. My current setup was designed earlier in the game with only 20-60/min on everything

In the process of building a bigger facility and making it a basic hub for all ingots and basics out of the desert.

Then I'll start working out more remote dedicated factories in the area.

Not in too much of a rush for progress. Just taking my time and enjoying the game.

[prisma thicket]

I think the only thing I've ever built more than 60/minute of as a final product was screws lol

[ripe kestrel]

Lol, yeah, honestly I haven't ran into too many issues other than running out of concrete when building a new facility

Its more of a..just because thing

[sacred summit]

For those of you who do utilize a fair amount of tractors and trucks - even for the simple shuttling of items back and forth - how do you tend to manage refueling? Do you do centralized refueling stations, and have them every vehicle in that region/area go to this refueling station between every damned trip? Or do you deal with the logistical pain in the ass of shipping fuel to every single route?

[prisma thicket]

Lol that's why in recent saves I've started having like 2-3 sattlite factories just making concrete to go into the DD xD

[prisma thicket]

I'd say having a central hub for storage and refueling seems to make the most sense to me, but I also don't use trucks/tractors at all, can't be bothered to set up the routes lol

[sacred summit]

Yeah, the route planning mechanic is just about the biggest disuader for me. I'd easily have double/triple the vehicles I do now if it wasn't such a pain in the ass to route them all

[latent prawn]

now if only the same were the case for ai limiters, lol

incidentally, the math & ratios on all-iron motors are pretty good. iron wire doesn't do nasty things to the numbers like it does with stitched plate

[prisma thicket]

I love the pure iron motor setup, it's pretty easy to get going too.