satisfactory

[latent prawn]

and more resource efficient to do blended turbofuel into turbodiamond

[frozen cloud]

eh
oils free imo so why not

[latent prawn]

(turbo blend is just oil & sulfur)

[sterile blade]

Slightly, yes.
Dunno why I picked Coke, I might have eyeballed the numbers wrong (assuming I'm eyeballing them correctly now...)

[robust nymph]

but coke diamonds also gives you resin

[frozen cloud]

wait you dont sink the resin?

[latent prawn]

yeah, that's really the only reason you'd use that recipe is to get some plastic/rubber/fabric(?) out of the diamond prod

[robust nymph]

I tend to use it in other production chains for rubber/plastic as much as I can

[sterile blade]

I did sink it, but also tapped onto it as needed...

[green fiber]

How come tho when you use limestone a lot less than iron and it is almost equally abundant

[frozen cloud]

idk i never like reusing resin
same in my power plant
its mostly that recycle plubber is so free so why bother

[latent prawn]

i turn all the resin into rubber. it goes on trains to other things

[green fiber]

Oh compared to pure it is still more building efficient if you include sulfuric acid refineries

[abstract heron]

Debating on my next project

[robust nymph]

because mixing a byproduct you otherwise would sink with a resource that is effectively unlimited is more free

[frozen cloud]

i use a lot of limestone for just personal building concrete
i guess its also cause im weird and build a big platfrom in the sky so lots of concrete needed

[green fiber]

K sure but thats like what, one pure node or so hooked up to a few wet concrete refineries?

[abstract heron]

@iron goblet

[frozen cloud]

well early on its just before i have wet concrete its quite a lot with default concrete

[abstract heron]

Want to know my hr in the game

[latent prawn]

for me, once i got out of starter factory land, i made 5000/min concrete for my hmf build that only eats about 4800 of it, the rest just ends up on the train

[iron goblet]

im curious now

[green fiber]

Sure, i get that, but do you even know how much limestone there is?

[iron goblet]

(keep in mind im NEW to satis, and use 0 tutorials, or info channels)

[frozen cloud]

less than iron

[iron goblet]

(this includes the wiki and satisfactory help stuff)

[abstract heron]

16k and I think around 200hr

I am not near to see it

[iron goblet]

whats hr?

[abstract heron]

Hours

[iron goblet]

whats 16k?

[frozen cloud]

wait its actually only a bit less than iron
i expected way less hmmm

[iron goblet]

mw?

[abstract heron]

16 thousand

[iron goblet]

16k mw of energy?

[latent prawn]

if you're looking at producing a lot of singularity cells, limestone starts to not seem as ubiquitous as it appears to be

[green fiber]

only by like 25%

Now other question: do you even know how many things need concrete vs iron parts?

[abstract heron]

16k hours on the game

[iron goblet]

damnnn

[frozen cloud]

bro have you met singularity cells?
i needed like 4k concrete for those suckers

[iron goblet]

i have like- 23,000 on minecraft lol, but this is just a few hundred in so far

[green fiber]

Its the end of the game. Up until that point nothing needed concrete in any amount that would really suck your reserves dry

[iron goblet]

im at phase 4, already done with all upgrades up to tier 9 excluding ONE, and most mam upgrades done

[sterile blade]

Have you met SAM and his friend Resource Conversion?

[frozen cloud]

BLACK MAGIC

[iron goblet]

would you call that solid guys?

[robust nymph]

tbf, 4k concrete won't suck your reserves dry either

[abstract heron]

Actually

I have dis manny hr

[latent prawn]

yeah, really limestone isn't an issue until singularity cells or cheap silica become targets to build

[frozen cloud]

it sucked my small lake dry though xD

[abstract heron]

16,326 hrs on satisfactory

[green fiber]

4k concrete is at worst like 12 to 5k limestone

[hard ivy]

All my SAM is gonna go to APMs and Ficsonium

[iron goblet]

jesus..

[green fiber]

So like 17% of limestone

[iron goblet]

leo, you wanna see HELL?

[latent prawn]

i'm not sure if cheap silica is very useful anymore with quartz purification

[sterile blade]

Time spent on Discord with the game open doesn't count :P

[abstract heron]

Why are my hrs so shocking to people

[hard ivy]

It is if you don't need the crystals

[frozen cloud]

just checked my total plan is
2181.93 [Iron Ore] Iron Ore 2.369% of limit (92100)
6838.91 Limestone 9.784% of limit (69900)
so waaaay les iron ore than limestone
for 40/min warp drives

[abstract heron]

I play the game

[green fiber]

TBH this is my personal reason for why i dont find ficsonium desirable.

Resource conversion seems funnier than "funny IKEA lamp power"

[abstract heron]

I also let stuff run

[sterile blade]

(And I make jokes :D)

[iron goblet]

yalll..... welcome to early game hell...https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1374645857860845623

[frozen cloud]

and i shitpost

[abstract heron]

What I mean by leaving it on

[green fiber]

And yet you could still build 10x as much.

But you are probably limited by other resources, right?

[abstract heron]

Is going to do something while leaving the game running @iron goblet

[frozen cloud]

63% oil
but thats because of oil diamonds so its not a hard cap

[iron goblet]

i am overnight afking it tonight, to fill up my uranium farm and some of the more complex part makers

[abstract heron]

Great way for me debugging my 648k gw factory

[frozen cloud]

42% sam is the cap i guess

[hard ivy]

"k gw" brother what

[sterile blade]

BTW, do we finally have a calculator that can take Sloops into account yet?

[latent prawn]

yeah, synth power shards kinda eat the crystal though. even if you're not doing ion fuel, they still go into the alien matrixes and some production is useful for making dark matter crystal

[green fiber]

Did you know that limestone can be turned into coal

[abstract heron]

I made 135k or 125k fuel factory in soirecoast

[frozen cloud]

https://satisfactory-logistics.xyz/factories/
or satisfactory modeler

[iron goblet]

thats called multiplying each machine by 2

[hard ivy]

Satisfactory Optimizer. Kinda. I recently discovered the sloop calculations are off sometimes

[dense violet]

I was just doing conversions and maybe my sleep addled brain is weird

but the 10 oil for 2 diamonds seems to convert to 40 coke for 2 diamonds?

[iron goblet]

if they have somers in it

lmao

[abstract heron]

Do u need irl sleep?

[robust nymph]

648TW factory XD

[hard ivy]

Not just that, it's GW not gw. And using 2 SI prefixes is wrong too

[abstract heron]

I was thinking next after 1.0 save ofc mods but seeing how much power I can get from the world

[sterile blade]

That seems to do the trick... Thanks (I'm unsure as I haven't learned to use it yet)

[green fiber]

Coke diamond is 180 crude to 30 diamonds

Oil based is 200 to 40

go figure which one is more oil efficient
(||Its Turbo diamind actually||)

[frozen cloud]

#math-and-meta message

(this should be on the wiki)

[sterile blade]

200:40 = 150:30, not hard math

[green fiber]

Howd you arrive at 150

[sterile blade]

(X/4) * 3

[frozen cloud]

aaaaand this is why i dont do math but use the calculator

[green fiber]

No, this isnt correct, you left out HOR

its 720 coke for 30 diamonds ven

[sterile blade]

I used your numbers and changed them to have "30" as a result (keeping the ratio the same)

[green fiber]

Ioh this is oil diamond clocked down

[frozen cloud]

180oil->240hor->720pet coke->30 diamonds

[green fiber]

I though yiu were comparing coke diamond

[hard ivy]

OBD is 5 oil per diamond, PD is 6 oil per diamond

[sterile blade]

"Coke diamond is 180 to 30
Oil based is 200 to 40" - >
"Oil based is 150 to 30"

[dense violet]

ok I was just misreading the diamon recipe titles. yup yup makes sense

[frozen cloud]

watch here as 4 senior satisfactory mathematicians strugle to do basic mathematics

[green fiber]

Turbo Diaminds to the rescue lol.
Also why TF does it take packaged Turbo. The accelerator has a perfectly fine fluid port

[elder apex]

if you are worried about oil efficiency for diamonds why not just use one of the recipes that doesn't require oil at all?

[green fiber]

Not using oil wasnt ever the point

[frozen cloud]

well its not only more oil efficient its also less steps and less particle accelerators xD
so coke is just kinda meh

[sterile blade]

I remember when I tried to plot out a maximized Turbomotors factories by head...

[frozen cloud]

so better in resource metric
better in complexity metric
better in power metric
watch greeny cruxify me for calling it "better"

[green fiber]

How oil efficient would Turbo heavy + oil based diamonds be....
Oh, Only 37.5 crude oil for 60 diamonds

[dense violet]

Truely the chad option is Pink Diamonds to avoid the ass load of space PAs take up

[sterile blade]

Ohhh, now I remember why I used coke!
I just had a ton of oil coming in by train, and to keep stuff running I turned it all into coke for sinking. Then I tapped onto the coke for diamonds and other stuff as the need came up ^^

[dense violet]

(I just hate PAs so much)

[green fiber]

Average personal assistant hater

[frozen cloud]

honestly converters arent that much better with their big ass ball on top

[dense violet]

them too

[sterile blade]

I used lots of Coke Steel in that run...

[green fiber]

They are basically blender sized
If even

[frozen cloud]

arent they way taller?

[dense violet]

I'd rather have the 4 converters that make 15pm than 1 TF pa making 60pm.
Much easier to make cool

[green fiber]

only 18m

[dense violet]

converters? much shorter. Unless I'm losing my mind

[frozen cloud]

oh damn youre right

[green fiber]

Blender is 25m

[dense violet]

yeah almost half the height

[green fiber]

*15m god damn it

[frozen cloud]

i feel like id rather build 1 PA over 2 converters but idk

[dense violet]

Blenders feel chonkier than converters it's true

[green fiber]

You can fit 2 Converters in the space of one PA

[dense violet]

but you can lower converters into the ground have have pulsating tops over the concrete. xD

[frozen cloud]

well pink diamond is 8 converters per 120 diamonds
oil based is 3 PAs

[dense violet]

yeah 100% do the converters xD I hate PAs so much

[green fiber]

Do the chad move and convert coal to quartz

[hard ivy]

Imma do the chad move and use my own recipe. Coal, RSAM and Ionized Fuel lmao

[dense violet]

I'd do that but would need SAM nonsense

[green fiber]

(Its actually more costly that way )

23 coal per diamond vs defaults 20 to 1

[sterile blade]

I wish we could convert shards to Slugs... For, like, decor or something

[floral nymph]

Hey Guys, i was thinking about starting a new Satisfactory World and wanted to ask you, what are your endgame goals? Where do you want to end up with your worlds? 🙂 I need some Inspiration 😄

[dense violet]

really really subjective.

I've got a couple plans I'm bouncing between personally

1. Make everything from start to finish in the swamp after unlocking everything. Got all the resources you could use

or

2. 1600 HMFs

[frozen cloud]

my goal was 40/min warp drives

[left totem]

my goal was finishing the game

[rancid geyser]

Alright, if anybody is interest in this info:
From the Mesh of the Rifle I would judge the diameter to be around 17.7875mm. It isn't perfectly circular so I took the average of 10 edge points.

Even larger, funny enough!

[viral olive]

more power storage building = better?

or does it not matter

[dense violet]

I mean, depends if you need it. It's good as a back up to kick start factories

[viral olive]

if i have like 50, do i have 500 mwh stored?

or how does this even work

[dense violet]

each is 100 mwh

so that would be 5000

[leaden turret]

you want to start in the swamp armed with only a ? 👀

[dense violet]

nah, it'd be only after you unlock everything. Would be annoying otherwise

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> dare you to do the gameplay streams with the community manager arachnophobia mode mod installed

[fathom grove]

I wanted to build good looking factories after finishing the game in 120h, so i'm building a nuclear power plant with full recycling. I'm also aiming towards the golden nut, and a tower at max height. All kinds of fun little projects

[peak wasp]

I wish you could tame a hog

[fathom grove]

Oh and you could ride it

Ram other hogs

[peak wasp]

hog jousting in mp

[fathom grove]

Good idea dude

[tall lantern]

you can tame them with your basher, they'll be friendly after that

[leaden turret]

except you can't put a saddle on jonny, so johnny would come kick your ass 😛

[peak wasp]

except I can't joust with it :(

[fathom grove]

Yeah but inert

[peak wasp]

imagine riding alpha hogs into each other with the basher pointed forward

[fathom grove]

Fuck that looks way too cool

I wish we could have Nobelisk Launchers, would be so funny !

(Where could i submit this idea ?)

[latent prawn]

well ex-rebar is essentially an rpg

[fathom grove]

ex-rebar ?

[latent prawn]

explosive rebar

[leaden turret]

"jousting with hogs" sounds more like hogs on the tips of lances

[peak wasp]

but there's more nobelisk types

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

[fathom grove]

Yeah but imagine launching nukes with a nice ballistic trajectory

[peak wasp]

jousting on hogs?

[peak wasp]

you could use a hypertube cannon

[fathom grove]

Yeah but they wouldn't detonate on impact

[leaden turret]

sounds like you've been snorting pork chops

[fathom grove]

Is it easy to make mods ?

[peak wasp]

I'm fairly certain a nuke attached to a player (by throwing it on them in mp) stays on them if they go in hypertube cannons

coordinate this with a mate on voice chat

[fathom grove]

vc ?

[peak wasp]

jump into a hypertube cannon

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @leaden turret

[peak wasp]

and tell your friend when to detonate it

I wish that if a nuke is detonated by a nearby nuke explosion, instead of increasing its damage it increases its radius

[fathom grove]

Lmao i think i just want a thing with a magazine of 5 rounds, nobelisks, and fire it, explosion on impact

[peak wasp]

so I can strap 50 nukes onto my friend

and decimate the entire area that I launch them into

[fathom grove]

I'll check the modding community i guess, maybe it already exists

[fathom grove]

mmmmm... radiations

[peak wasp]

it should work for other explosives too

[robust nymph]

there is a mod that lets you customize things like increasing explosive rebar radius

[fathom grove]

Name ?

Man why do i want it to be a warfare game now

Imagine a Tank shooting nobelisks

[robust nymph]

"weapon upgrades" by acxd

[peak wasp]

like, when any explosive blows up (nobs, ex-rebar), it checks its explosive volume for all explosives, with the resulting explosion having a volume of the sum of all of the individual volumes of the explosives and a damage that is an average of all of the individual explosives

all effects are, of course, added, so if you used a nuke to detonate a lot of pulse nobs, you(r corpse) would go flying

this also means that to double the explosion radius, you'd need 8 times the number of explosives

[fathom grove]

Packed Nobelisks

Intresting

[finite latch]

how much aluminum is too much aluminum? playing around with maths and trying to ship all bauxite to one factory for processing. I can get tools to output 16k aluminum ingots. that feels excessive lol

[dense violet]

Figure out what you want to do with it and then you'll have an idea. But yeah that's probably far far more than you'll ever need

use the pure ingot recipe. be good to yourself

[green fiber]

or dont. Silica isnt your enemy

[dense violet]

that much silica is everyone's enemy 😛

[green fiber]

thats the kind argument screw haters make

[dense violet]

At least with screws you can unpack a steel beam for a bunch of them

move 40,000 screws on one belt

[finite latch]

16k aluminum ingots = 19200 silica
it will eat the majority of the quartz on the map

[green fiber]

well, if you go for max aluminum.... yes.
thats the deal

[dense violet]

sorry, 62,000 screws. Forgot about mk6 belts

[boreal musk]

you can use the silica byproduct from normal alumina recipe

to cut the quartz cost

[hard ivy]

But then it's back to being 1:1 or even worse

[boreal musk]

thats the trade off

[frozen cloud]

thats just straight up worse than sloppy+pure

[dense violet]

I think the Base Solution + Electrode Scrap -> mix of pure and base ingot gets you the same output?

or something very near

[boreal musk]

no, normal aluminum recipe is 1:1

[finite latch]

my 600/m turbo fuel lines work fine.. my gens stay perfectly online

[boreal musk]

also, you wont be able to use all the aluminum in the map if you use the alt for least yield anyway

not like it matters

[finite latch]

tools wants to use elctrode scrap.. so I assumed that was the best option

[hard ivy]

Without using any quartz, the max is 1:1 with sloppy, electrode and pure

[reef basin]

"best" is subjective

[boreal musk]

but my fav to go is sloppy+electrode since its just oil and bauxite

[finite latch]

best for maxing the aluminum ingot output

[hard ivy]

Using default alumina to save on quartz is pointless

[reef basin]

there's multiple paths to that

[finite latch]

like? I am exploring options for an 'ideal' way to bring all bauxite to one factory, process, and ship out..

[dense violet]

well you get more output. It's a good recipe.
Also imo easier to move the oil you need tha nthe thousands of coal

[dense violet]

bringing it to the cliff to the east of hte red forest

sloppy > electrode > pure ingot is solid

[finite latch]

I am aiming for the swamp actually.. and use the oil res that is there

[reef basin]

well again, "ideal" depends on your preferences

[dense violet]

the cliff is convenient as it's the least elevation changes. More central. Close to oil

[frozen cloud]

probably dont need >5k bauxite

[split badger]

why does that sound like Fallout 76? 😰

i had no idea i could get inventory upgrades from hard drives 😲

[finite latch]

so I think I am settling at 12k aluminum ingots. that is close to all the bauxite without using any quartz. I only need 1214 oil to keep up with that, which isn't hard

[boreal musk]

sloopy is easy to do since you can process coke on site while you can just train the bauxites

[split badger]

can you use petroleum coke to make aluminum? or does itneed to be just regualr coal?

[finite latch]

there is an alt recipe that lets you use coke

[split badger]

guess i need to unlock it first

[finite latch]

@reef basin how do I send you a link for tools? I am confused why it thinks I need fertile uranium to make fabric 😅

[frozen cloud]

on the top right click the blue button "share tab"
paste the url here i wanna see xD

[finite latch]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=wDfraDwcp8eaa2hOCP5t

oh, I guess it sends you all the tabs.. its the aluminum tab

[frozen cloud]

nah its only the alu tab
thats cursed lol

[hard ivy]

It's 0x. Just a floating point error. You're free to ignore it

[finite latch]

not to mention the plutonium pellets chillin in the corner too

[hard ivy]

Or disable the recipes if it bothers you

[finite latch]

I know how it happens.. but as a developer myself, if my code did something like this.. I would want to see it at least

I would expect floating points to be on the numbers used.. like an extra .00001 extra water or something.. not mostly random ingredients at 0

anyway, not a complaint.. just stumbled upon it and wanted to share is all

[frozen cloud]

there is

public readonly DELTA = 1e-8;
(...)
if (Math.abs(output.amount) < this.DELTA) {
output.amount = 0;
}

in graph.ts but its apparently not working
its open source if you wanna look at it and have a solution

[reef basin]

no it sends just one

[finite latch]

if I reopen my own link.. I will see all tabs

[frozen cloud]

i also see all mine
it just adds yours at the end

[dense violet]

that's because the page remembers your tabs

[finite latch]

its session based yes

[reef basin]

that's not related to the solver

[reef basin]

no, it's local storage based 🙂 and opening the share link just adds the shared thing to your production lines

[frozen cloud]

ah nvm then

[finite latch]

still, that part seems to work lol

how do we get fantom 0s in the graph?

[reef basin]

it's just a very small number, which is rounded to 0

standard computer stuff, floating point imprecision, etc etc

it comes like this out of the solver, kinda hard to filter out reasonably

[leaden turret]

[reads in willem defoe voice]

[finite latch]

I understand that.. and that makes sense for the polymer resin 0 in my example.. but it doesn't explain why plutonium pellets or fertile uranium is even considered

[reef basin]

given that linear solvers are practically a black box, hard to know why it does that

[frozen cloud]

wait so is there no < this.DELTA part for production? why?

[reef basin]

there is

[finite latch]

immediately hears Jerry for ricky and morty say "Willem Defoe"

[reef basin]

but that's after the solver

[frozen cloud]

ye
so the solver just made something bigger than that delta?

[reef basin]

very often in advanced productions, yeah

[frozen cloud]

ah i see 👍

[finite latch]

even if you treat the solver as a black box, couldn't you parse the graph nodes after and toss out any that resolve to 0?

[reef basin]

how can I know that they resolve to 0 and not 0.0001?

I'm doing some ugly magic on server side to try to detect things like small delta or repeating numbers

delta on server is 1e-7

[finite latch]

which language? math libraries usually have a round function. that is why I said resolve to 0 and not equal to 0.

[reef basin]

first native app written in C, which gets passed via stdout to php, which parses the result and converts to json, which gets passed via https to javascript, which parses the json and outputs the graph

see the problem? 🙂

[hard ivy]

How do you know whether it's a floating point error resulting in a 0.0001 building count of if that's the actual required production?

[frozen cloud]

oh god...

[reef basin]

at the point when my code first touches the numbers, they are already rounded/imprecise

which is why delta is 1e-7, as that's below what clock speed can get you

anything above is assumed to be within realm of possibility

[finite latch]

no sounds like a normal web app 😆

[reef basin]

I meant this problem ^

[finite latch]

and 'your code' is just the php and js?

[reef basin]

yeah, I'm not crazy enough to write a linear solver by hand

[reef basin]

I mean I never said the infrastructure is perfect, but imo it's not bad 🤷

[frozen cloud]

i heared php and immediately judged you

[finite latch]

infrastructure is never perfect lol.. what you are doing sounds pretty normal on the surface.. trust me, I have seen some bad code before

[reef basin]

PHP is like screws, nobody likes is, but nobody knows what's the real reason for not liking it

[finite latch]

and now I judge you lol... 10+ years professional php developer lol

[frozen cloud]

everything you can do with screws you can do better without
everything you can do with php you can do better with javascript

[frozen cloud]

sure grandpa lets get you to bed

[reef basin]

that's not true

and javascript has way worse design than php

it just has the advantage of not having an alternative

[finite latch]

things have there purpose.. using an aspect oriented language to govern an object oriented application doesn't sound fun..

[stable drift]

Why are people like this

[reef basin]

because people judge things based on what they heard without actually knowing the thing

[true mulch]

Ugly syntax

[broken thorn]

Ondar 🗿

[frozen ingot]

just noticed greeny's name change 🤣 😄 I approve

[frozen cloud]

🙃

[frozen ingot]

😉

[true mulch]

Personally, besides that, I found it really ugly that it dumps errors directly onto the page, and the general non-modular way the code is structured

[frozen ingot]

unfortunately it's not an issue you can easily describe in a few words after your nickname 😛

[frozen cloud]

ye sadly

[reef basin]

C-family syntax is super fine

[true mulch]

It looks like a hideous mix of Bash and C

[reef basin]

it's practically equal to C, except for obvious variables starting with $

[frozen ingot]

C 🔥

[reef basin]

dumping of errors onto the page is configurable, and for modularity there's practically official package manager (composer)

[true mulch]

Yeah, well it's to be expected that these problems have solutions

Tbf I only used PHP when I had to back in high school

[reef basin]

it's also easy to blame the language while ignoring the whole ecosystem 🤷

[true mulch]

The ecosystem of a language is an integral part of the language

[reef basin]

indeed, which is why "missing modularity" is kinda a moot point if we have a proper package manager

[true mulch]

I read that Kotlin is really good, but it's difficult to find tutorials unrelated to Android as that's where it's primarily used

[reef basin]

(and no offence to teachers, but they rarely know much about languages, and even if they did, they won't teach that in schools)

[true mulch]

But we've gone off topic. I will continue to dislike PHP for no reason

[reef basin]

php deserves it even less than screws do

[wanton summit]

I got week free nitro

[dense violet]

who actually pays for nitro?

[leaden turret]

people who buy 4-ply quilted bog roll

[reef basin]

people who want to support a service they use a lot 🤷

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I pay for YT Premium. Not to support YT, google has enough money, but I've been averaging 12hrs/day on YT/YT Music for the past 2.5 years. The premium features are just worth it to me

[reef basin]

out of curiosity, why YT music and not spotify?

[atomic notch]

I pay for nitro but i used to catfish ppl into buying it for me hahaha

[hard ivy]

Bc it's included in YT premium? And spotify premium costs almost as much

[reef basin]

and what features YT premium are the ones you're after? 🤔

[atomic notch]

Yt music used to be free and u could have discord bots that play it

Now u gotta pay for everything

[south sinew]

I just use adblock

[hard ivy]

BG play for music and videos, downloads, keep watching, vid queues (I think they're free on PC and paid on mobile), frequently skipped, and I'm probably forgetting something

and before someone suggest revanced, no, I've tried it, it was worse

[reef basin]

afaik queues are free on mobile as well, but thanks for the reply

[sullen gull]

The "are you still listening" can get kinda annoying. But I pay for spotify, so meh

[hard ivy]

They definitely used to be paid but idk if they're now

I've been paying for 2.5 years lol

[reef basin]

I guess I mostly use YT on pc with adblock on and never needed any of those features, so spotify makes more sense for my case 🤷

[zenith pecan]

Ublock origin has done a decent job of blocking adblock-blockers as well.

[leaden turret]

did someone rename #off-topic-general to #satisfactory as a prank?

[south sinew]

yes

[whole zinc]

i love this game

[hard ivy]

Don't we all?

[leaden turret]

well some people don't play the game and just hang out here

[latent prawn]

that's because they think we're cool

[zenith pecan]

Back to work on the bauxite shuffle, how to ship every last bit, this will likely take longer than my SAM in spite of the main highway being half the length.

[left totem]

there are songs on youtube and not on spotify

[atomic notch]

A bunch of mk1 belts.

Straight mode on terrain.

[zenith pecan]

Naa, I'm using mk5's and in tunnels, fixed amounts (600) to ensure transmission throughput.

[atomic notch]

I do want to make an eyesore on this world maybe bauxite belt highway would be fun

[zenith pecan]

Go for it 😄 , your game, your rules, you might get a few sharp gasps depending on how much of an eyesore but tbh, it's your plan.

[atomic notch]

Yeah the belts will work it just wont look good hahaha

[hard ivy]

I'd do trains

[zenith pecan]

I considered trying to process the sam ore at each mining site and just move the reanimated, but too many of the nodes are in very small caves, so a big nope there, constructors aren't going in without looking like crap.

[robust nymph]

build them on the surface?

just in a small building

[atomic notch]

I know u would

[zenith pecan]

Wasn't much point, I run a fairly standard template, I'm not chopping and changing when I could just feed it all to one spot and process there after plan A went out the window.

[hard ivy]

The total constructors for all SAM nodes you need is 34. If overclocked. Surely, you don't need more than like 1 or 2 per node

[robust nymph]

fair enough, just felt like moving only a quarter of the amount of items would have been less effort :p

[zenith pecan]

Check out the impure node in the dunes (the one in the cave) there is barely enough room for the miner, I don't do half measures.

[robust nymph]

120/m base per contructor

worst case scenario (pure node) 4 constuctors at full overclock

[zenith pecan]

Damage done now though 😄 , 85 constructors (not clocked because a single mk5 belt feeds 5) with 4 belts of reanimated (600ea) and the last 150 for fluctuators.

[robust nymph]

fair enough

[zenith pecan]

The bauxite refinery once I'm done with that will likely be a colossal monster.

My plan for its wastewater is pure copper.

[robust nymph]

feed it into itself?

no waste water that way

[zenith pecan]

No need, I'm going to need a million tons of copper, so just open feed to copper refineries makes perfect sense, and the system won't fold up if I make a mistake.

[robust nymph]

fair enough

[left totem]

if you make a mistake, just flush everything and voila

[zenith pecan]

I'm not sure if I'll have enough water in the system for some wet concrete or not, I haven't calculated it yet.

[robust nymph]

though using a valve feels simple enough and is impossible to perma break

no need to even flush, it fixes itself

[left totem]

iirc valves only work when the pipe is full

[robust nymph]

just takes a couple minutes

[zenith pecan]

My old system tried a loop using valves, it would always lock up after 19 hours without fail, I tend to avoid loops where possible.

[hard ivy]

Valves only work if the system is at 100%. As soon as it drops below that for any reason, it fails

[robust nymph]

I've used valves for every alu refinery I've ever made, and never had an issue.

the only problem is if you don't feed the system enough water, but that has nothing to do with the valve, every solution has a problem then :p

[robust nymph]

right, but it can't deadlock itself like a VIP junction does

[left totem]

very important person junction ?

[robust nymph]

close, variable input priority

[hard ivy]

That is exactly what it'll do if you let the scrap fill up. And a VIP junction won't

[zenith pecan]

Screen is ancient and likely flawed, this was below the old refinery that locked up after 19h without fail #satisfactory-experimental message

[hard ivy]

Though imo the best setup is not mixing the water in the first place

[robust nymph]

as long as you have an adequate flow of water and bauxite the valve works fine. if anything clogs up on the output, or if an input fails, the systems comes to a halt. but as soon as the output starts flowing again, or the input gets saturated again, the valve fixes itself

[robust nymph]

it does not though?

[robust nymph]

in case of a missing bauxite input the VIP junction can deadlock until there is direct player interaction

this video is quite good and interesting in general, but at 12:30 it highlights the problem with the VIP junction nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwO-F82sYE4&t=749s

[zenith pecan]

I tend to follow the KISS principle on the factory floor, because I've had some really epic bugaboos when doing otherwise 😄

[dense violet]

the number of people tryign to replicate stuff from this guy's vid, and coming here with problems because of the idiotic valve buffer system being very unreliable, makes him a ficsit criminal

[hard ivy]

There's also the meme option of packagers and priority merger lol

[zenith pecan]

My initial build of my bauxite refinery was practically a meme built on a schoolboy error, 780 belt feeding 4x refineries doing sloppy alumina , spot the mistake (x6)

[robust nymph]

might be a weird interaction from the buffer and the general way you built it. why the buffer? my general rule of thumb for fluids is simplicity over anything, as otherwise stuff seems to do anything it can to break

[zenith pecan]

Old build before I knew better, before that save got archived out of my active play, those buffers got chunked out and replaced with poer stores and overhead piping to feed the refineries above.

[robust nymph]

"valve buffer"? you mean that "head lift reset" one or the valve one?

[zenith pecan]

I have actually had fluid going the wrong way through a valve once before, it was quite hilarious.

[robust nymph]

I'll log boot up my game and get a screenshot of how I do it

[zenith pecan]

Maddening too, since it was supposed to be a water tower, and it drained when it shouldn't have been able to.

[frozen cloud]

buffers can help on certain alu setup
if the output of a separated alu setup is stopped it will stop producing water at 500 scrap
however with short pipes like building it in reverse it is not enough buffer to get to 500 scrap so it wont resume once the output unclogs
where with a buffer it will

[robust nymph]

with the infinite thing I just mean no limit, did not feel like writing more than I had to :p

[dense violet]

the one with a buffer then valve after it. So unreliable

[robust nymph]

it's groups of 2 refineries with 100% clock alumina solution together with a 100% clock aluminum scrap refinery

after many cases of missing inputs (of every resource), clogged outputs, and missing power it has fixed itself every time

[frozen cloud]

i actually had an interesting case where my setup only used 80% of the alu ingots so it slowly filled up and broke even though it works with 0 or 100% output xD

[robust nymph]

#screenshots

[robust nymph]

huh interesting

fucking fluids in this game man, even if you think you finally did it right they'll find some magic way to break your setup :p

[frozen cloud]

yep

[leaden turret]

package all the things

[robust nymph]

if only we had a packaged aluminum recipe

[left totem]

aluminum soluva ?

[lime ermine]

We do don't we? I remember packaged alumina solution being a thing

[lavish sleet]

a recipe that uses the packaged alumina to make scrap directly would be peak

[green fiber]

cons: no canister will be returned

but you still get a water byproduct lol

[lime ermine]

Put it in a blender

[green fiber]

you still get no canister back

no matter where you put it in

[hard ivy]

There are no machines with 2 item outputs

[green fiber]

2 solid outputs*

[hard ivy]

You could smart splitter it through one, maybe

[green fiber]

nah, machines dont allow that

[lavish sleet]

pain

forgot abt that

[green fiber]

you cannot escape the water

[lavish sleet]

💔

[zenith pecan]

Pure copper happily eats up the water!

[lavish sleet]

yes with 32 refineries for a single mk6 belt of copper

i used pure copper in my last playthrough to finish the game and oh my god

[zenith pecan]

For the amounts of copper that get eaten for copper powder, it still outs way more than just smelting.

[lavish sleet]

might use copper alloy ingot next time

[zenith pecan]

I'm only considering using pure on copper, to take up wastewater from bauxite refining, and then fold some of that copper back into alclad production, the rest will go to the particle accelerators for the end production of singularity cells.

[lavish sleet]

ahhh that makes sense

[frozen cloud]

why not do wet concrete? uses way more water

[zenith pecan]

If my copper usage is satisfied and I have leftover wastewater, I will do exactly that.

The point is to use the leftover water for further production rather than just sink.

[hard ivy]

I cooked up this thing and the constructor really doesn't like it lol #screenshots message

[frozen cloud]

ooooh sushi output?
i like it

[green fiber]

yeah no machines dont like that

you need a custom machine for that

[junior laurel]

This one is speaking from quite a lot of experience 😅

[frozen cloud]

what about
liquid canisters

[lime ermine]

What did they do

[lime ermine]

We need melted plastic now as a thing

You can combine it with water in a blender to make it back into normal plastic

[broken thorn]

No.

[hard ivy]

0 UNDEF N/A and stuff

[lime ermine]

Nice

[lime ermine]

But if we're doing that we need melted rubber too

[reef basin]

Very rarely. More commonly I find songs that are not on yt but are on spotify, especially things like live recordings done as releases

[robust nymph]

That’s what I mean

[undone jackal]

Even then why nuclear 40 fuel gens with rocket fuel is simpler to build and provides more electricity

And u unlock the nuclear energy way later

[trim vine]

Anyone have any advice on how to construct an overflow system.

I am going to route all the bauxite in the world into blenders, and it takes 375 per, so I want to have a cascading line going down where it puts what it can in the machine, and then overflows to the next line

So, basically, 26 total inputs using ~15/16 780 input belts

[hard ivy]

I'd do a balancer

[trim vine]

so a 16:26 balancer?

[frozen cloud]

smart splitter with "any" to where you want it and "overflow" to the next
use priority mergers so it doesnt clog
or if youre not on experimental be careful where you merge

[hard ivy]

I'd try to make the ratio a bit nicer. 16:26 sounds like it would kinda suck. 18:27 would be much better

[trim vine]

open to any advice on better numbers for stuff like that, balancers do my head in alil (still havent figured out how to mentally visualize it)

[trim vine]

for smaller systems (10 belts or less) I have done that a few times, with further down mergers/splitters to account for overflow at a bottle neck

[frozen cloud]

just do smart splitter "any" to 2x 375 and overflow to a separate lane
if you feed that with 780 it will shove 750 to the blenders and 30 to the separate lane
do this 25 times
combine all the 30/mins to 25 * 30 = 750 = 2 * 375

[robust nymph]

Put a belt into 2 blenders. Send the overflow to an overflow belt, merge the overflow belts, feed the final blenders with this overflow belt

That’s by far the simplest solution imo

Ah same thing as zyranex saud

[trim vine]

Well remember

a 600 belt going into 375 is annoying as hell, cause it leaves 225 left over, which is why it needs to kinda be able to cascade its way down the line

the 780's will be easy easy, into 2 machines, split the 30 off and merge it with the other 7 30 overflows

[frozen cloud]

wait how much is on your belts?

[reef basin]

I'd clock the blenders (or some of them) to take exactly what you have on the belt

[nimble whale]

Your name makes me worry about my setup lol, just joined here just now to find someone who might be able to help me and i have the feeling that those pipes are a part of the problem 😅

[trim vine]

think you meant @frozen cloud but he is very correct

[nimble whale]

eh yeah

[stray patio]

Hey guys

[trim vine]

Use 600 pipes to pull stuff out, and get them in 300 pipes ASAP

[frozen cloud]

mk2 pipes in long manifolds dont do 600/min, more like ~550
thats cause junctions splitting unevenly like 600->570/30 creates backflow that reduces the overall throughput (#math-and-meta message)
splitting evenly like 300/300 is fine
you can fix this by splitting your pipe into 2x 300/min pipes at the manifold, for example by building a loop that feeds 300/min from the start and 300/min from the end or by connecting it in the middle so it splits 2 ways

[trim vine]

I have pulled all the worlds Bauxite, so I have 600 belts, 780 belts, and a single 300 belt

[nimble whale]

Hmmm ... That's gonna be a pain, I set up a nice manifold system with 1800 capacity as ring ... I guess I gotta redo it and do a second layer of pipes to run them in 300 to manifold instead 😭

[trim vine]

are machines not getting fed?

[frozen cloud]

oh i thought you had only 780 belts

[trim vine]

Well, they are all MK5, just not with 780 resources flowing on them

[reef basin]

clock blenders to 390 or 300

[nimble whale]

barely, my energy won't flatline, it bounces from 3GW to 2.85GW all the time so two of the coal plants go offline every few seconds

[trim vine]

That would require a lot of rework with the piping and set ups already in place, I am more than happy to build a balancer/overflow system and try that headache before tearing out everything else.

The bauxite is the last input I need to get

And I have a metric fuckton of space to work with

[trim vine]

Wait, is this for water?

[nimble whale]

Yup

[reef basin]

it's generally recommended to figure out logistics before building the setup 🙂

[trim vine]

Just add inputs spaced out every so often, or at the very least, have water being inputted on both ends of the line

[elder apex]

where's the fun in that? that's just crazy talk

[trim vine]

I did that with my turbofuel set up, I have 400 coming in from one end, and 200 coming in from the opposite end, and it fixed everything

(400/200 HOR)

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> now we're getting the ElevADA, will y'all be going full new vegas and giving us mini AIs in the hub, such as the CaffienADA?

[nimble whale]

Technically I do have that, my setup is basically 3x Mk2 Pipes, 2 of them looping back into the third that is being split at the end, technically it's all one big system that should crossfeed (and it kinda does, it just misses out on like 20-30/min)

[trim vine]

I accounted for this, I was just hoping to get the visual in my mind when I got to this part

I know HOW to do it, just was seeing if there might be a better way before I began belting

[nimble whale]

also flow rates sometimes randomly drop to like 350 on any of the input pipes for a second or two, then go back up to 600

[trim vine]

thats the sloshing/backflow thing Z was talking about

[nimble whale]

Meh ... So only way is to add more pipes?

[trim vine]

Do you have all of your inputs for liquids entering the manifold at a single point?

in each line of course

[broken thorn]

Why

[nimble whale]

Yeah, 3 lines running in parralel through the ceiling, only the outer two are the manifolds, the middle one is the crossfeed that feeds back into the outer two at the end

[frozen cloud]

split the 600 pipe into 2x 300/min when you get to the gens
the issue is uneven splits like 570/30 going into a generator
so you dont need to drag long 300/min pipes
only once you start the manifold

[lime ermine]

Meme mod time

If I knew how to make mods

[broken thorn]

ah

[trim vine]

Then yes, you will need to, at the very least, create a second "input" line at the opposite end of the manifold

[nimble whale]

So the Mk1 Pipes don't have that problem?

[trim vine]

You can split it 300/300, and have them enter from oppsite ends, using 600 pipes, but you need to have water entering from two sides, or spaced out through the middle

[frozen cloud]

300/min in mk2 pipe not mk1

[nimble whale]

Uh ... it sais 300 on Mk1 for me ^^ and 600 on Mk2, at least that's what the GUI sais unless I'm missing something

[trim vine]

To save you time, you can use an MK2 pipe to run 300 water, to keep the pipes consistent for texture/looks

[frozen cloud]

i mean run 300m³/min in a mk2 pipe
as in utilize it to 50%
pipes running at 100% causes issues

[trim vine]

You dont need to rerun all mk1 pipes with water into your system

@robust nymph

You ever figure out that train issue you were having?

[reef basin]

well there was, if you didn't make the pipes already 😛

[nimble whale]

Regarding the Manifold, the Mk1 pipes won't have a problem with manifolding? Or can I not use them 100% either?

[frozen cloud]

not sure
thing is there isnt al ot of places where you dont have mk2 pipes yet and need 300/min so its not that important

[covert talon]

how do i put signs in the horizontal plane?

[nimble whale]

So basically the call is "don't use pipe manifolds"? How on earth should I distribute fluids in a non massively complex space consuming manner then? Will Fluid Buffers be able to fix this?

[reef basin]

no, it's "use pipe manifolds, but take special care"

[frozen cloud]

no pipe manifolds are fine

[hard ivy]

Even 600/min ones

[reef basin]

see zyra, this is why your msg is so confusing

[trim vine]

No, with liquids you kinda have to manifold

As you work more with pipes, you get a better understanding of how they are tricky, and can compensate for that

[frozen cloud]

it was fine the last 20 times i posted it

[reef basin]

I meant the msg in your nick

[broken thorn]

we speaking like this now ?

[nimble whale]

REEEEE 😭 there I take the time to design something really nice for once and then it gets fed up by liquid mechanics lol

[frozen cloud]

if i could put a longer msg i would

[reef basin]

600/min pipes need care is almost same length and much more accurate

[trim vine]

And when you can break a 600 line into 2 300 lines, things tend to work better

or 400/200, there are options, with valves on either set up to stop anything from backflowing into the feeder pipes

[frozen cloud]

300/min manifolds are fine
use a 600/min pipe
split into 2 pipes
make a manifolds of those 2 pipes

[reef basin]

600 manifolds are also fine, when looped

[trim vine]

PLEASE NOTE: that does not mean you need to use MK1 pipelines

[hard ivy]

Or just do a 600/min manifold. Those often work too. Even when not looped 🤷‍♂️

[frozen cloud]

the e doenst fit
its need car
vroom vroom

[nimble whale]

Well mine is looped and it has the same problem (even though it's a three lane loop)

[trim vine]

I tried several times with the loop method, it did not want to work for me, even with it was primed

[reef basin]

remove a space around the |

[broken thorn]

Is the problem backflow ?

[reef basin]

was it vertical?

built like this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369442388077973535/1369480321401094194/satisfactory-cobalt_of_doom-pipe_manifold.png?ex=682f2130&is=682dcfb0&hm=3d3c6f6b868cc355c884d9bcb86c7878ce32e7e77335c17a1c8eb40f2be01cb3&

[trim vine]

Shouldnt be with valves

And no, it was horizontal, @reef basin

What I ended up doing was splitting my 600 HOR into 200 and 400 and having them enter from opposite ends of my 16 refineries making Turbo Fuel, fixed the problem immediately

I actually used that image for reference, when I was trying it

[reef basin]

valves are kinda pointless, don't use them

and use the image and build the setup exactly like it's there, it should work (after prefilling)

[trim vine]

I respectfully disagree with valves, sometimes on long manifolds, even when not at 100% capacity, there is sometimes an issue with cordinating flow rate (in the pipe, not something I do) and it gets backed up in a weird flux type deal, adding valves streamlined it and I didnt have issues after that

[reef basin]

we had too many people come here to have their pipe setups be broken by valves, so it's just a general recommendation to not use them. If they work for you, good for you, keep them, but I wouldn't recommend them to others

[trim vine]

At the very least, if nothing else, they dont HURT

[reef basin]

as written above, they do

[trim vine]

Was that also around the same time that the pipe floorholes/wall holes were glitching?

[hard ivy]

I haven't had problems in years, and I don't use valves, buffers, pumps unless going up, loops, or pre-filling. So I can only conclude all of those things are unnecessary

[trim vine]

Cause I remember that from awhile ago and people told me recently they work fine

[reef basin]

that was all the time from since valves introduction to now

[broken thorn]

I discovered yesterday that the way to prevent backflow is having a pipe coming from above the machines and distributing into every one of them. It won't be able to backflow because it's lower than the pipe. Am I wrong @reef basin ?

[reef basin]

they got some treatment in 1.0 where the number of issues is reduced, but I still see people from time to time having valve issues

[reef basin]

verticality is a great thing with pipes, as flow naturally goes downwards. If possible use it 🙂

[robust nymph]

The one with the broken signals? This one? #screenshots message

still not sure why it does that, but it was solved by placing the signals slightly away from the junction

[trim vine]

Thats interesting, I think I remember you saying the other day that trains and trucks werent working for you

is there enough space for trains to pass under those rails?

[robust nymph]

No no, that was some guy asking “are there really no other ways to move items other than belts” I told him trucks, tractors, and trains, he said “those don’t work at all” then disappeared

[trim vine]

ahhhh wrong person 😛

I do remember you with me in that convo now though

[leaden turret]

inanimate objects can't be employed, therefore they do not work

[robust nymph]

Yeah just barely, there is 7m between the floor and the bottom of those rails :)

[robust nymph]

I guess he was right

[trim vine]

"I'm doing good"

"Nuh-uh, superman does good, you doing well"

[robust nymph]

Though by that logic his belts can’t work either

[swift kernel]

Omg, the end of Phase 2 is finally in sight

[broken thorn]

I am staying in Phase 2 forever 😭

I've been here for at least the last 80 hours of my save

not leaving any soon

[swift kernel]

I feel that! It's taken a lot of work to make a factory that isn't just a temp factory to the next phase

[broken thorn]

I want to get a lot of things done with trains and refineries before advancing

[swift kernel]

Isn't that phase 3?

I feel betrayed.

[robust nymph]

All my factories are temp factories 😃

[swift kernel]

I could do that, but I'll never feel satisfied that way

[reef basin]

that's why I recommend making things permanent 😛

[swift kernel]

I want a fully functioning truck depot

And to be able to run a second phase MAM out of that

[broken thorn]

No, it's Phase 2

Phase 3 unlocks mk5 belts, aluminium, uranium, etc

Phase 2 unlocks mainly trains and oil

[broken thorn]

Nothing more permanent than a temporary factory

[frozen cloud]

my factory is permanent
until i restart for the 20th time

[swift kernel]

Pretty sure Phase 1 is the basics with iron, copper and limestone, with biofuel and Phase 2 is coal power, steel production, and tractors

[reef basin]

well that's not what I mean.

I mean to actually build it with purpose of staying there forever

[swift kernel]

Phase 1 just requires Smart Plates, while Phase 2 requires that plus Versatile Frames, and Automated Wiring

[swift kernel]

I build with the purpose of it staying there, although I allow myself to go back and make minor adjustments. Sometimes I'll have a temporary factory if I need to pump out a bunch of a more advanced part that I'm not ready to plug into the main design yet (This is Steel Beams and Steel Pipes pretty much), but for the most part, I want to build with what I have, and then I'll move on. And this Steel Factory is finally all laid out. I can't quite finish it, since I don't have manufacturers unlocked yet, but I have everything I need piped over to the factory.

Now I just need to hook this all up to my depot and ship it to my second phase MAM

[zenith pecan]

My temporary factories tend to exist either within skeletal structures or even directly on the sand.

[swift kernel]

Where I'll automate my elevator parts and finally get some oil.

[frozen cloud]

i build with the option to upgrade to alt recipes
its really good if you get it to work

[swift kernel]

Yeah, I'm using solid steel ingots and a little bit of molded beams

Pretty much impossible to get a decent amount of steel beams otherwise

[nimble whale]

valves and reprimining were a good point, I got everything valved and fully reprimed now and for now it seems to work, only time will tell if it creates problems along the way but next time I'll definitely plan with buffers ...

Thanks a lot for the tips 🙂

[sacred summit]

I keep on hearing seeing people mentioning alt recipes this and alt recipes that... Are they more so "conveniences" for those who like to scale into absurd numbers, or is the balance of resource availability and quantities needed for later-game tiers significantly higher so that it's actually inconvenient to use default recipes?

[frozen cloud]

valves, buffers, 600/min pipes
ey man if it works for you 👍

[nimble whale]

Yup, no buffer yet but seeing the amount of problems I had here I'll probably ready enough buffer to fully prime it off grid lol

[frozen cloud]

the further you get the more they impact you
computer/heavy modular frames is the time where you really notice them imo

[trim vine]

Alt reciepes just allow you to prioritize resources/inputs or scale outputs, it has nothing really to do with super efficiency, just desired set ups

[frozen cloud]

its not only the resource avilability but more so the amount of machines you need to place down
some alts reduce machine numbers by a ton

[nimble whale]

That and some are really a convenience thing, especially when it comes to resource availability some like iron pipes, iron wire and stuff like tat really cut down on the amount of hauling you need to do

[trim vine]

For example, there IS a way to take ~500 oil and create 800 plastic AND rubber, but its a headache to set up

[trim vine]

other things are just cool, such as solid steel ingots, where you take the exact same inputs, 30 coal and 30 iron ore, and instead smelt the iron ahead of time and combine the 30 ingots and 30 coal, and get much more steel

[nimble whale]

wasnt there even a way to get triple Plastic or rubber from oil? something with heavy oil residue, diluted fuel, recycled plastic and rubber?

[trim vine]

yeah, you gotta build a couple hundred referies, have arouns 2500 containers in the loop with packagers, but it does work and is HIGHLY efficient

[nimble whale]

Yup, just not space efficient lol

[trim vine]

-stares in zoop-

[nimble whale]

😄

[frozen cloud]

like a 10/10/2.5/2.5 space elevator for phase 5 factory uses 2313 machines with default recipes and 1343 using the most resource efficient recipes
and like ~50% the resources

[frozen cloud]

well, or blenders

[nimble whale]

blueprints rule, sad thing is I gotta redo all my Blueprints cos I forgot to back them up before I wiped my PC last time^^

[trim vine]

Im thinking more phase 2 or 3 or whatever, before las blenders

[nimble whale]

Fair

[frozen cloud]

isnt it less machines?

[nimble whale]

rn I'm dealing with remaking my Hypertube network boosters 😄

[frozen cloud]

default is 20/min
recycled is 30/min
i guess you need the fuel but its not that much

[trim vine]

What I highly recommend to any player looking for some advice

The first and biggest project at damn near each phase should be power, always be several 10's/20's MW's higher than your max capacity, and once you get the "constructor" materials going and maybe a few assembler stuff, go on a hardrive finding mission

@sacred summit

[frozen cloud]

50 refineries for default vs 48 refineries+9 blenders for recycled 🤷

[trim vine]

Because once you build something, specifically oil stuff, for the most part, you're not really going to want to tear it down

[leaden ether]

Yeah at each phase start, I added power till the capacity was about twice what my current "Max Cons." value was. That worked well though the end of phase 5.

[frozen cloud]

holy shit i keep forgetting how bad packagers are for water
man, packager mk2 when

[trim vine]

AND if you stay on top of the hard drives, and "max out" at each phase, you can potentially "target" alt recipes you really want later on

For instance, when I first unlocked Aluminium, I was able to quickly get every single alt recipe for aluminium production

-swoons at sloppy alumina-

because when I actually unlocked bauxite refinement, anything I threw into the MAM would pretty much only have the recipes needed for that, save blender stuff

But, ultimately, other than making sure your power is over capacity, there is never a wrong way to play the game

-stares at green in valves-

😛

[reef basin]

I'm not saying they are wrong, I just can't recommend something that has been a cause for so many issues

[trim vine]

I know mate, just being facetious 😛

@sacred summit

You cant chat in the screenshots channel, unless the post has a picture attached to it, just in case 😛

[sacred summit]

Well that is, inarguably, very efficient, but I'm counting 325 refineries, 160 packagers, and making thousands per minute....

And that's really what I was talking about by scaling to such high numbers. I'm only on Tier 5/6, but the game hasn't yet thrown anything at me that really warrants producing at that scale, which would IMO be needed to justify ripping out and reworking things for the sake of alt recipes.
A 15% boost to efficiency is a hell of a lot different if you're building 15 per minute versus 1500 per minute/resource/wattage. it's the difference between 2 extra or 225 extra. So that's kind of what I was getting at: whether the game really encouraged you to make use of it, or if it was more an extra knob and lever for you to twist on to maximize a mega base's numbers.

[trim vine]

Exactly my point, that was, in my opinion, one of the more extreme examples of pushing efficiency

[swift kernel]

The only alt recipe I consider mandatory is Solid Steel. The second most mandatory one is Cast Iron Screw.

[trim vine]

However, certain alt recipes simply make your life easier

@swift kernel is wild, I look for all the recipes that avoid screws

[trim vine]

for example, with the right combination of alt recipes

You can produce motors, using ONLY Iron Ore

[swift kernel]

I mean, I would too, but I'm still in Phase 2

[frozen cloud]

you will need it in the late game
beating the game takes a lot of items

[swift kernel]

And honestly, screws aren't that bad if you have a clear ratio.

[trim vine]

All Iron motors is not terribly IRON efficient, but it does save you having to make a steel mill, route in copper, etc etc

[swift kernel]

They were much worse in beta

[lime ermine]

I think steel screws is pretty important too, and automated miners

[trim vine]

Does that make sense?

[atomic notch]

Honestly ur prolly makin it hard on yourself since in most cases you can just stick a steel screw constructor down

[fresh seal]

anyone else getting a weird bug where somersloop doubling doesn't apply to first craft in a building/recipe?

[atomic notch]

Not a bug

[swift kernel]

Screws just have a bad rap because of beta

[trim vine]

its like when you overclock something, it makes the first item at default, then ramps

[fresh seal]

ah ok, ty

[frozen cloud]

wait what, how?

[swift kernel]

Any recipe that allows you to automate equipment is a gimme

[lime ermine]

What happened in beta

[swift kernel]

The ratios were worse

[frozen cloud]

what specifically?

[atomic notch]

U can make ur own ratios so it doesnt really matter

[swift kernel]

I remember hating Rotors. Which used screws and rods at the time

[frozen cloud]

it still does?

they only removed it from computers

[swift kernel]

Back then I was load balancing everything and they were the bane if my existence

[broken thorn]

As we have dimensional depots those are pretty much useless. All you have to do is grab some iron rods and plates at early game and go afk making portable miners. Then I just dump 200-300 of those in dimensional depot and never worry again

[swift kernel]

My mind isn't all here sometimes, I'm sorry

[frozen cloud]

reinforced plates, rotors and heavy modular frames still take a stupid amount of screws

[broken thorn]

I use altos that remove screws for all of those

[white dawn]

Eweww, afk gaming

[frozen cloud]

why would you go afk in an automation game

[broken thorn]

Encased heavy modular frame the best

[white dawn]

Why deprive yourself of the opportunity to build more factories? :)

[swift kernel]

I remember like waiting for the screws to pump into the machine. The belts unlocked up to that point couldn't input the screen fast enough

[broken thorn]

Going afk for 5 minutes won't kill anyone. Go have a bathroom break or something. You're over exaggerating

[atomic notch]

Only stuff i handcraft is fluctuators so i can dd early

[swift kernel]

Both rotors and computers took forever.

[frozen cloud]

thats like building 1 machine and letting it run for the night
completely defeats the point of the game

[lime ermine]

Same

[frozen cloud]

no my point is that its less fun
automating equipment is fun
afking removes you of that fun

[swift kernel]

I just like automating everything

[frozen cloud]

why play this game if you dont like automating

[broken thorn]

I do agree if you mean automating ammo

[sacred summit]

Kinda feel the same way about AFKing...
Or crafting absurd amounts of things by hand that the game "wants" you to automate. I'm playing through with a friend who does that and it drives me batshit crazy 🤣

[atomic notch]

Still planning my trash processing but i gonna have lots of stuff bein made there

[broken thorn]

I never said I didn't like it. But maybe I don't want to make a whole factory for something I need an absurd low amount of

[swift kernel]

Look, I'll AFK sometimes, but only because it's easier to just leave the game running as I take a break for a few hours and then when I come back I don't have to boot it up.

[atomic notch]

Dont need a whole factory its like 3 machines lol

[sacred summit]

I swear, there's a random storage next to our hub that has like 300 stators, and 200 motors...

And we still don't have a line that produces a single one automatically...

Maybe I really need to re-think this friendship....

[trim vine]

absolutely not

If you got a friend who will handcraft stuff at that quantity, keep them

[sacred summit]

lol yeah, touche. 🤣

[broken thorn]

Tbh I just feed containers into a manufacturer / assembler with a somersloop lol

[atomic notch]

Bro took the ada assembler line seriously now bro became an assembler

[broken thorn]

When I didn't have computer nor HMF automated I did that and got about 1000 of each

[trim vine]

But, like I said, Alternate Recipes either go for convenience or efficiency, sometimes both.

Such as cast iron scews that just take iron ingots, versus having to make them into bars first

So its worthwhile to get them all, and build whatever you think wont break your mind

[atomic notch]

Also im more geared towards findin stuff thats just layin around instead of handcrafting

[frozen cloud]

also the reason the devs made it so you cant handcraft elevator parts is precisely because its less fun

[atomic notch]

Yeah and ik mfs would sit there and handcraft

Handcrafting simulator

[trim vine]

sometimes folks think thats faster than just setting up a quick line and throwing the stuff into storage bins temporarily and letting it go

[swift kernel]

I remember back when the elevator just took normal parts

Pretty sure I handcrafted some stuff back then just because I wanted to get to the next tier and see what was there.

I've outgrown that weakness

I've also never made it to nuclear.

So .. Maybe I outgrew it too much

Oh well, too late

[frozen cloud]

@junior laurel do you remember early space elevators? im curious what they were

[sacred summit]

100 hours in and still haven't made it past coal power 👀

To be fair, I've been spending far too much of that time tinkering with things than with progression, trying to find ways that the blueprint mechanic doesn't suck, trying to perfect my factory "designing"

[trim vine]

Do y'all use any mods when playing?

[sacred summit]

Nope. I pretty much always play a game like this without mods first.

[reef basin]

cast screws are very meh imo

[swift kernel]

Laughs I'm far beyond that

[junior laurel]

They were never "just normal parts"
Unless you've seen my "DIY" space elevator and thinking of that?

[reef basin]

7 boxes with same icon

[junior laurel]

I should've read the question kek.
I'm rushing to set some shit up

[swift kernel]

500 hours and I'm still using coal

[reef basin]

see https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/items (the numbers on icons were made by me)

[swift kernel]

Yep. There's some QOL mods I use. Everything is pretty vanilla though. If any one of these mods didn't get updated to 1.1, I should still be able to make the jump.

My aesthetics would be pretty sad tho

[trim vine]

If I may make a suggestion:

There is a mod that allows you to build an MK2 and MK3 BP designed in phase 1 (you still gotta research it)

But that is honestly a massive help.

A lot of people kinda feel we get each BP designer a phase too late

AND

You cannot load an MK1 BP design into an MK2 or 3. You can only load in BPS designed on that MK#.

[swift kernel]

Hell no

[sacred summit]

Way I see it, industrialization started like 300 years old, and the world is still 40% powered by coal.... so you're still waaaaay ahead of the curve.

[swift kernel]

Real engineers build and rebuild until they cry

[swift kernel]

That's such a great way of looking at this, thank you

[junior laurel]

We didn't have the Space Elevator back in the alpha nor did we have the SE parts.
Yeah they used "normal" parts but that was very fresh out of the alpha oven. Very quickly moved to use SE parts 😅
You can cross ref with https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Space_Elevator#History

[trim vine]

I cry during my megaproject logistical struggles, rather not cry at the BP designer

[junior laurel]

• Patch Close Alpha 2: introduced.
• Patch 0.3: Now requires special Project Assembly parts for deliveries

[swift kernel]

Remember when the Hub had a special hub part? And before that it had advanced tech you wouldn't have access to for a while

[frozen cloud]

wait so how did you unlock tier 3/4?

[swift kernel]

We used stuff like modular frames

[zenith pecan]

Logistical struggles, the whole cause of my tunnels 😄

[swift kernel]

Basic normal parts were all that was needed

[junior laurel]

The old hub part was in 0.8 so can't not remember those :P teehee box.
Alpha 4 is when it started giving you that hub part.

[zenith pecan]

Sorry @junior laurel my last reply was a mis-reply, I hate it when text moves the instant I click.

[junior laurel]

Super daaaammmmn relatable

[swift kernel]

I was flabbergasted when I opened 1.0 and it wanted iron ore

It felt like a war crime

[junior laurel]

Too many people lose their hub parts so it makes sense

[swift kernel]

I mean, I guesssss.

[sacred summit]

Yeah, for me, I think it's less about the phase, and more about the size constraint. I think the size should be as large as reasonably possibel, and the tiers should increase the number of buildings you can use in the blueprint - similar to DSP. If I want to put 10 constructors down, and I want them in a straight line, it's still just 10 constructors.

[swift kernel]

But that's such a them problem

Just get better at the game 5head

[trim vine]

Thats the only reason I recommend that mod, as you still need to build/design/update/everything

You just get access to the larger BP designer early, and it still cost resources to build/must be unlocked, etc - it just happens at milestone 1

[sacred summit]

Yeah, I will definitely take a peak at it

[broken thorn]

Damn

Im still using coal power too but I have some thermal placed down

[swift kernel]

I mean, I have like... one thermal

[broken thorn]

Fair Ig

[swift kernel]

I've been trying to make this Second Phase MAM for a while, and I'm almost there.

[merry kettle]

After you start using fuel you stop wanting to ever do coal again. After you start using nuclear you go back to using fuel.

[trim vine]

Why though? Surely you have to be at the fuel part?

[swift kernel]

I got it because I was out looking for harddrives and mercer spheres

[sacred summit]

I expected "fk it, I'd rather do coal"

[swift kernel]

I want to ship everything through my central storage, and once my central storage is full, to send the rest to the grinder.

I'm pretty damn close to completion for Second Phase, and I'll finally let myself tier up

[merry kettle]

That's actually a tough choice, lol

[broken thorn]

Relatable I have 60 hard drives researched and all the mercer sphere research tree but the last nodes

[swift kernel]

I have a handful of harddrives and just enough mercerspheres to make a dimensional depot for every item in the game I currently have available. And like three upgrades of dd

[lime ermine]

This is exactly what happened to me

[green beacon]

can i download TotalXclips Traintracks somewhere ?

[swift kernel]

Probably from his Patreon, I'd imagine

[prisma thicket]

Yah, he makes all his bps available on Patreon for members.

He shows you how he makes them though, so you can copy them for free with a little patience.

[green beacon]

do you know the link ?

[swift kernel]

Literally just google it

I can't even post the letmegooglethatforyou link lol

[plain hatch]

Damn I just got the underground dismantle crate 0.0.0 bug. Has anyone successfully retrieved it with an underground hypertube glitch?

[rapid wren]

reload save quick

5 or 10 min back

[plain hatch]

I can’t do anything with the save or the files because it’s some random friend who set up an online dedi for us randomly. My only options are in game. (It’s a puzzle)

[rapid wren]

idk if it's possible to glitch yourself under the map? i know there are spots on the map that are not finished in 1.0, so it provides a way to get underneath the map. the river area in green plains next to caterium/hard drive

i guess the crate might be a long distance under the floor maybe, so that might not be enough

[plain hatch]

Well back when it came out the options were to use the save editor or upload to scim. I can’t believe it’s still not patched a year later? But some posts from 8 months ago on Reddit said you can zoop foundations deep into a cliff and then build a hypertube cannon on it and use it to go underground where you can build platforms to retrieve it

[frozen cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9T_ZlDv68

[undone jackal]

Sup, could someone dm me a decently big finished savefile? Id like to test what our dedicated server can handle

[hidden sparrow]

Bet

[undone jackal]

Thanks mate

[robust nymph]

someone send this guy a trojan 😃

[quick sky]

Why don't quantum physics students go out much? Because they collapse when under observation 🥁

[swift kernel]

This is absolutely random

[coarse geode]

are electromagnetic control rods important?

[abstract heron]

What to do a next factory with

After debugging my rocket fuel factory

[robust nymph]

yes. if you're making an item that needs it

[robust nymph]

iron plates

[split badger]

how do i remove an item from my depot? (meaning like straight up remove it from the list, i accidentally added my xeno basher and now it's stuck in there even at 0)

[abstract heron]

I don’t have a basic factory

Like with standard recipes

[robust nymph]

@abstract heron "what to make next" is a hard question to answer without any idea of what you have, what you don't have, and what you want

[robust nymph]

reload a save from before you put it in, assuming it was recent

not sure if there is an actual way to remove it from the list

[abstract heron]

I should probably do aluminum or plastic or rubber factory or a starter factory with basic items out to tier 6 with computers

I have many to pick

[robust nymph]

can do them all in one

[abstract heron]

Like in dune dessert is a mess atm no starter factory and for the others I just have bins all over the place for storage

[split badger]

im already in a sea of saves sadly 😦

[abstract heron]

Idk yet @robust nymph

[robust nymph]

then my recommendation would be to organize that

[abstract heron]

I am also low on power shards

I think I used over 3k power shards on my current project of rocket fuel

[robust nymph]

then go hunt for power shards, I feel like you have plenty of ideas for what to do next :p

[split badger]

yeah i dont want to do ionized until i can get the synthetics

[swift kernel]

You might be able to use a save editor? But don't quote me on that. I don't use those.

Why don't you want it in there though?

I want all my items registered in the dd

[robust nymph]

I mean, there is not much reason to keep a basher in the list. saves some clutter to not have items like that in there

[cyan garnet]

Open the codex in game (press O) and see what items are made with electronic control rods. Or look it up on the wiki

[split badger]

it's mostly due to my OCD for how i want my items listed

OCD is such a pain sometimes 😩

[cyan garnet]

The ability to reorganize or remove items from the DD list is oft requested. You can go upvote it on the QA site

[broken thorn]

There's probably a mod for it

[elder apex]

there is a mod that lets you organize your DD list

there aren't many things that there aren't a mod for

[ripe basin]

Good night guys
How's it going

[golden warren]

Can anyone help/inspire/show me a good way of blueprinting Assemblers/Manufacturers, and anything else like that you would suggest?
e.g. A good layout for splitters or belts or lifts that can be pre-attached drasitically speeding up my setup of a new factory?

[swift kernel]

Which mod?

[trim vine]

You wanna pop on comms?

[prisma thicket]

Man, on experimental the story flow really feels messed up. I've collected enough sloops and spheres to unlock some upgrades from the MAM, so the alien voice is talking to ADA about stuff, but I still haven't had ADA figure out that I'm hearing the voice when I pick up artifacts.

[golden warren]

Could do

[trim vine]

I DM'd you

[ripe basin]

What if my satisfactory won't start after updating it

It still says i have a problem with my graphics drivers

[abstract heron]

@robust nymph probably look for slugs then maybe plastic and rubber factory’s I’ll do some thinking

[elder apex]

sorry, was on phone, here is the mod link -> https://ficsit.app/mod/DDepoListOrderChanger

[swift kernel]

Thank you, friend

Simple mod name, but that's all it needs to be. Very nice

[young crest]

Do you guys usually cover your factory in walls and a roof or keep it open?

[zenith pecan]

I prefer to use actual buildings #screenshots message , besides machines tend to react poorly in inclement weather.

[elder apex]

i'm the opposite, I do nothing but build the machines and infrastructure necessary to supply those machines

[zenith pecan]

I know machines in-game won't get wet and go kaboom, It just feels kind of wrong to me having machines outdoors 😄

[coarse geode]

the game is really trying its hardest to only let belts work

[hidden sparrow]

y'all build infrastructure ?

[merry kettle]

Buildings help keep things organized/tidy. Also they look nice.

[young crest]

Yeah i do the same

I really only build stuff where i go often tho because eye cancer

[zenith pecan]

Long range logistics and power distribution are handled with tunnels, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4LcICPnkI (the one shown has been completed, moving 10200 sam to the dunes)

[merry kettle]

When I don't use buildings, it's typically because I'm doing something temporary; buildings are, in a sense, enclosures for stuff I don't intend to change.

If I can see it, it means "this isn't done yet", which is a helpful visual cue.

[prisma thicket]

Did you figure out what you're going to use it all for yet? 😛

[hidden sparrow]

turning quartz into copper

[zenith pecan]

Not all of it, though matter conversion is high up there once I move all the bauxite.

And ofc singularity cells for a portal network to replace what would have been a tube network.

[peak wasp]

I would kill for a splitter that allows for deciding how many items per minute a conveyor gets

[swift kernel]

Mining satellites don't need it, but the factories themselves do.

I wait until a factory is finished to put the roof on though.

Because the floor is always subject to change as I plan out production.

[cyan garnet]

Why?

[peak wasp]

I'm currently working on a big boy factory. I need 65 copper sheets a minute for the assemblers, but I want this factory to also be producing copper sheets as is.

It'd be easier to just lead all the copper sheets into one splitter and have one belt set to receive 10 sheets per minute

[hard ivy]

Just use a smart splitter?

[sullen gull]

Those don't do specific quantities.

[prisma thicket]

But if you set it to send the full 75 sheets to the production that's only using 65, that line will backup, and then you set the overflow to go to stoarge and voila you have a 65/10 split

[split badger]

are inventory upgrades from hard drives infinite as long as you have hard drives to obtain?

[sullen gull]

Once you have the inventory upgrade, you have it.

[split badger]

i ask because i got 2 inventory upgrades (both being 6 slots)

[prisma thicket]

There's only 2 of those upgrades available

[split badger]

oh

[sullen gull]

Nab them

[split badger]

are there any for 3 or 9?

[prisma thicket]

Nope, just the 2 +6 slots

[cyan meadow]

Is there a time table for 1.1 stable? I really want the QOL features in 1.1 but can't make the switch due to mods.

[sullen gull]

Nope

[split badger]

yeah im in the same camp, im just waiting it out

[cyan meadow]

does it usually take a long time from "experimental" to stable? I assume this isn't the 1st "experimental" build

i mean hell, i'm even ok with a "6-9 mo on average from experimental release to stable". Just curious as to if there was a pattern

[cyan garnet]

Weeks to months. It’ll be released when it’s ready

Everything we know is in #announcements

[ripe mantle]

Is there a list of what this entails?

We have now also expanded on the narrative from 1.0 with the inclusion of many, many more ADA voice lines for new and old content and interactions

[sullen gull]

ElevADA for one. But otherwise probably not.

[reef basin]

have two groups of machines, one making 65, one making 10

[glossy venture]

This game becomes.. A lot lmao. Looking through flow charts on satisfactorytools to make my first (minor) nuclear power plant and.. Jesus lmao.

[zenith pecan]

This game can give rise to some truly awesome and colossal builds that take an age to build 🙂

For its cost, this game has taken up thousands of hours for me, worth it!

[glossy venture]

Oh yeah, I love the game. But PHEW is it a lot at times lol, almost disheartening at times lmao

can def overload your brain pretty easily!

[zenith pecan]

It can be a procrastination simulation when you let a plan get out of control.

[glossy venture]

Definitely

[zenith pecan]

My current bauxite shipping corridor is going to be an immense time sink 😛

[glossy venture]

I just finished a giant factory for like.. anything quicksilver related pretty much

[sullen gull]

Quickwire?

[glossy venture]

high speed controllers, ai limiters, quickwire, things like that

[zenith pecan]

Here's a project that got a bit out of control #screenshots message , I tunnelled under the map in order to move ALL of the worlds sam ore and process to reanimated.

[glossy venture]

Lol im def not the player to do omega things like that.. My brain just isnt ccreative enough

[zenith pecan]

Give it time, this game has a way of inspiring ideas 🙂

[glossy venture]

I suffer from wanting to do big things with really cool architecture- but not having the creativity or brain power to make pretty looking things xD

[zenith pecan]

You can find a whole lot of ideas in #design-and-architecture , while I build big, there are a lot of pioneers here who are far more creative than I am and have erected some amazing builds, @dense violet is a prime example, he literally builds awesome curved stuff using straight components 👍

[oak hinge]

He also likes to talk in circles

[frozen ingot]

yup 🤣

and some of the phase 5 project parts? 😮

[sacred summit]

When making blueprints that are designed to be tiled, will conveyor belts and splitters/mergers and such seemlessly connect (i.e. material will flow into the one butted up against it) or does that part need to be done manually?

[jolly surge]

I want to start a new world and build a mega factory that creates everything... I know it's a huge task, and incredibly difficult, and takes a lot of planning.. Does anyone have any tips on where to even start planning/designing it or if there is programs or anything like that that can help

[sacred summit]

Just trying ot save myself future headache since I'm working on a handful of blueprints now 😅

[frozen ingot]

in 1.1. yeah, but it's a bit fiddly right now (still experiemental obviously)

works great for like a straight line of belts, not so much for all manifolds

[sacred summit]

I haven't switched over to any beta branch, so that'd be a no for me, right?

[frozen ingot]

great for rails too

[sacred summit]

And regardless, with it being finnicky, sounds like it'd generally be better to just leave the gap and bridge them when placed unless it's just the straight conveyor

[frozen ingot]

you can always back up saves and try it out. or just watch videos of people, it's a really powerful new feature. Otherwise just wait, probably only a matter of weeks until it gets merged with main branch

[sacred summit]

noooice

[reef basin]

I'd say a few months

vacation time is coming

[plain hatch]

@zenith pecan hey are you there

[zenith pecan]

What's up?

[plain hatch]

How do you build the blueprint for the hypertube that goes underground

[sacred summit]

I'm definitely not great with the architecture, but as someone who struggles, there are a few couple basic things you can do to get good results with minimal effort/creativity. You probably won't win awards, but it'll elevate you a bit.

1. Build "with" the ground, instead of just creating an enormous square of flat space. Lay a boat load of tiles down on the ground with the intent to just cover up any clipping. Then step back, and see where you can add more tiles to level out so that you have large enough chunks/blocks but that are different heights. Then force yourself to put workflows on the spaces you were able to create. "Oh, I need 4 assemblers for this step, I'll put them on that smaller flat spot. Oh, that space is almost big enough for 16 construtors, let me just even level it out a bit more and put them all there." Forcing yourself to do that sort of adaptation will help your factories be a bit more organic in shape and arrangement - which breaks up the monotony of the typical "survival cube" builds.
2. Alternate the height & textures of your walls and roofs. A lot of what we recognize as "pretty" architecture is generally less about "it's just pretty" and more about "it's varied, it has depth, it's not just a big mountain of the same repeating texture 45 times".

For the mobile users, sorry about the novel 😅

[plain hatch]

I saw the vid but is there a guide on how to make it

[zenith pecan]

It does rely on the hypertube hole that cuts through the 4m foundation so when it is level with a foundation that is half in the ground, the exit does put you under the map.

The one I use took some epic finagling however due to it being two-way which given its location, took some annoying work to make the blueprinter actually let me do, want me to just DM the print?

I never videoed the construction due to it taking just over an hour to make work because "outside of the blueprint designer" errors.

[sullen gull]

Anyone else ocd about dumb stuff like which way the arrows are on a conveyor floor hole... Or which way the box is facing on a power pole type stuff?

[sacred summit]

Enough that it's probably diagnosable...

[zenith pecan]

I hate it when stuff isn't right even on things I can't see, I "know" it's there and I have to fix it ...

[sullen gull]

I find my self laughing because it's not like you see the damn things when a lift is in it lol.

[sacred summit]

I'm very picky about what clipping I will and won't allow.

[swift kernel]

Only if I notice them while I'm placing them. Honestly, as long as my wires aren't clipping through anything, I'm happy.

[zenith pecan]

I'm not entirely sure how big to build my 0.0.0. capture hall either, it will be vaulted, and the surrounding passages will likely look like the backrooms, complete with shocking yellow ficsit walls and coated floors.

[swift kernel]

Previous saves I never cared about clipping wires, but with this save, I made the distinction.

[sullen gull]

Same ish. I will allow the clipping of belts with setting up rows of assemblies or mergers. 🤷‍♂️

[zenith pecan]

I do clip wires through foundations, but only when the sockets on both sides are aligned, so the wire itself isn't visible, the same when I power large machines from below, the wire has to be hidden completely or it's off and I power from above.

[sullen gull]

I try to hide as many wires that I can. My main BP I use a lot is a power pole with a wall outlet at the bottom.

[zenith pecan]

I do also use wall outlets on the floor from time to time.

[sacred summit]

I can't let wires clip through foundations.
I also can't stand wires stretching across open spaces, so I'm very liberal with my application of wall outlets on my ceilings.

I will tear down an entire facility when I notice that the constructor's "joints" clipped through the wall.

[sullen gull]

Lol, I just tore down my entire RF section of my alu plant because I didn't like the spacing between the floors 🤣

[sacred summit]

YES! 😅

[swift kernel]

Illegal

[swift kernel]

ILLEGAL

[sullen gull]

Do 'smooshed' lifts count as clipping? 😏 #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Who sez!

[oak hinge]

I LOVE smushed lifts lol

[swift kernel]

Wires can stretch long distances outside, but need to be minimized. Wall outlets are my best friend

[swift kernel]

Meeee

[sacred summit]

Allowable. It's seamless.

[zenith pecan]

Here's a quick and dirty floor mounted wall/ceiling socket and one use I've had (strings power above a ceiling to hide wiring: #screenshots message

[swift kernel]

I'm gonna cry (Not really, this is the most acceptable sort of clipping)

[sullen gull]

I will have to see this Law book please. Also, can I speak to your supervisor?!

[swift kernel]

I am the supervisor

[sacred summit]

Yep, outside is a different story. But it can't look like a tangled spider web

https://tenor.com/view/im-the-boss-now-look-at-me-look-at-me-im-the-boss-now-gif-12198178

[swift kernel]

I've been struggling with that a little bit lately, but I'll probably give my wiring another pass at some point.

[sullen gull]

This is illegal?

err

#screenshots message

[oak hinge]

IMO the most acceptable form of clipping is clipping walls, pillars, and foundations into each other xd

[swift kernel]

Yeah, this tbh

[sacred summit]

Yes, that's illegal. I know how that's going to look if I walk up to a lift and look up.

[swift kernel]

If I know it's there, how can it be Satisfactory?

This is why I usually fill in my foundations

[sullen gull]

@zenith pecan I do this also, but with 1.1 I love nudge it .5 just so the top sticks out.

#screenshots message this rather (keep forgetting to paste the link)

[sacred summit]

SOOOO GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE 🤣

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough, I've been floor mounting the wall sockets since they first came out, poles running along the top of a lot of structures just look wrong.

[oak hinge]

#screenshots message Fuel and item input for my refinery setup lol

No clipping but somewhat suspicious layout lmao

I'm using as few junctions as possible, and as few conveyor splitters as possible

So it's a bit wonky

[sullen gull]

Nice

[oak hinge]

Also i just realized i put one too many input pipes for fuel there

[sullen gull]

Oop, gotta tear it all down and rebuild now!

[oak hinge]

It's 600 fuel per row of refiners, and my fuel pipes each handle 400 because i dont want to deal with max flowrate pipes

[oak hinge]

Nah i just need to not have the completely useless junction for the middle input

Idk what brainfart that was lol

[oak hinge]

So its 3 pipes of fuel for 2 sets of refiners

Which is easy enough

I would do pipes of 200 but it'd be too many pipes

[dense violet]

because nuclear is still extremely simple, has much less piping which a lot of people have issues with, 'provides more electricity' is a very dubious claim. More than what?
And also - fields and fields of hideous generators compared to literally 1/10th the space

[dense violet]

comes down to a few things

1. planning
2. Experience
3. looking up cool things and making parts of the ideas your own 🙂
4. time

[undone jackal]

1/10th of the space?
In which world?

[dense violet]

npps and fuel gens take about the same space, you need 10x the geneartors for hte same power

[oak hinge]

The major space that both take doesn't come from the powerplants, it comes from the stuff to make the fuel for them

[dense violet]

with fuel gens, it's the gens
I haven't done direct comparisons to the productin side but the base recipes for nuclear is simple and compact

[undone jackal]

A nuclear power plant provides 2.500 MW and a rocket fuel gen provides 3.500 MW where is that 10x the amount of generators for the same power

[oak hinge]

Erm, you're mixing up decimal places

[dense violet]

and the alt recipes do take extra steps and materials but you do also get more than 2x the rods iirc

[sullen gull]

There is so much more that goes into nuke than RF. To say it's simpler is just wrong. Sure, more power per source, but then you have waste, many other items that go into production AND waste. RF need oil, nitro, coal, sulfer, and a bit of iron. Done.

[dense violet]

!wikisearch FPG

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=FPG

[undone jackal]

Bro its not the same for every country

[dense violet]

1 fuel generator, no matter the fuel, provides 250mw

[frail sleet]

A nuclear reactor is 2500mw

A fuel generator is 250mw

[marble notch]

they're probably not american, in some countries they use the decimal to represent thousands places and the comma to represent non-integers