satisfactory

[rigid flicker]

Why not use 600/min pipes? Kinda new

[reef basin]

you can use 600 pipes just fine

the "problem" is when you do pipe manifolds, as backflow there can hurt you, so it's recommended to loop them

[tall lantern]

pipes at 600 can be finicky, and while they're totally solvable, some people elect to make things easier by just not bothering

[frozen cloud]

mk2 pipes in long manifolds dont do 600/min, more like ~550
thats cause junctions splitting unevenly like 600->570/30 creates backflow that reduces the overall throughput (#math-and-meta message)
splitting evenly like 300/300 is fine
you can fix this by splitting your pipe into 2x 300/min pipes at the manifold, for example by building a loop that feeds 300/min from the start and 300/min from the end or by connecting it in the middle so it splits 2 ways

[reef basin]

see e.g. #1369442388077973535 message

[frozen cloud]

just do 3x 400/min HOR pipes and you wont get issues

[solid plover]

Thanks for all the help guys. It makes a lot of sense now. Just to confirm, and sorry for kinda repeating whats been said, as long as the amount being fed into a manifold is equal or greater than the amount required by the machines the manifold feeds into (regardless of how they are over/underclocked), it will balance out and then I can just under/overclock to get the specific amounts I need for following machines?

[reef basin]

yes

[solid plover]

It's sounds like load balancing is nearly impossible late game with all the precise amounts you have to work with, unless I'm misunderstanding load balancing?

[frozen cloud]

can even manifold factories
for example feeding a factory that needs 110/min one that needs 70/min and one that needs 270/min using the same method
once the first factory is full it will overflow to the second

[swift kernel]

It would be a Sysphean task I would only attempt in the post game

[tall lantern]

The idea is basically that initially each splitter will split evenly, but since some of the machines don't need as much as they're getting, they'll fill up and eventually their belt backs up, so from then on they only take as much as they need. So now other machines in the manifold get that extra. That then repeats with other machines until everything's getting its share

load balancing later is painful yeah

[dense violet]

well it's basically aesthetics yes, but you can also simplify load balancing by feeding things in groups of machines divisible by 2 or 3. Just takes space and time

[tall lantern]

not impossible, and you can mitigate with careful clocking, grouping and counting, but it's often judged as just not worth

[hard ivy]

Yeah, machine inputs and outputs are all rational numbers, so it's always possible

[frozen cloud]

1. reconnect the pipes in the middle going in the refinery so the whole system is 1200
   not really recommended in my opinion
2. have 3 pipes of 300/450/450 and just directly feed the coke with the 1 pipe
   this needs an extra pipe but is in my opinion the way better option

[reef basin]

3. have two separate systems, one having 600 HOR for 10 residual fuel refineriess, one having 600 HOR for all coke+5 residual fuel refineries

[green fiber]

Yeah no need to merge systems

[frozen cloud]

wait ye nvm just do what greeny said
what do you mean with "That means they'll need to both supply one refinery"?

[rigid flicker]

Ok, gotcah, thank you. What is the whole idea with manifolds? Why is that a necessary when you work with pipes?

[green fiber]

Mk 2 at max flow has certain conditions

One of then is that junctions absolutely do not like when they have to split fluids unevenly

[reef basin]

I've heard that any pipe at max flow 🤔

[green fiber]

Mk 1 in theory, but like.
Its my statement vs Aeryn's
If someone else can confirm that mk 1 struggles, i'll gladly pass that on as fact

[hard ivy]

It's been years since I had issues getting 600/min through a pipe. And it's not like I haven't built any. They always just worked for me 🤷

[green fiber]

But i personally could not prove that at all

[frozen cloud]

well there isnt any system that needs 300/min so its kinda pointless 🤷

[reef basin]

for me it makes logical sense, since the "issues" are caused by backflow from initial junctions (and fluids bouncing from full machines)

so any backflow in any full pipe will reduce throughput

[green fiber]

You can manifold 300/min
Whats your point.
Nothing needs to be manifolded with 600/min either so everything is pointless by that logic

[reef basin]

but yeah, I haven't seen any ingame tests, just saying that it kinda makes sense

[dense violet]

I've never had issues with backflow at 300 in a mk1.
I strongly suspect the length of the manifold and number of input points along it it has a big impact

and 300 will have fewer machine inputs

[green fiber]

The only issue i can confirm for Mk 1 and mk 2 alike is the current save load issue

That issue seems to be since 1.0

[reef basin]

mk3?

[frozen cloud]

i mean we would get way more people testing it if for example coal gens needed 50 instead of 45
by the point you might manifold 300/min you have mk2 pipes so you dont get those issue

[dense violet]

new fluid delete on load bug?

[green fiber]

No

Flow rate not saved correctly

[rigid flicker]

So I'm running a pipe from a oil pump with 600 crude oil. Do I need to manifolds that pipeline too. Like place a junction right before I feed the refineries, and then run a pipeline all the way to the end?

[hard ivy]

Might be true. I don't think I ever put like 20+ junctions on the input side, only output side

[green fiber]

No fluid gets lostx it instead lags behind when you load a save

[frozen cloud]

yes
split into 300/300 at the manifold

[green fiber]

You can manifold early oil setups at 300/min

[reef basin]

see #1369442388077973535 message

[hard ivy]

I always just connect the supply pipe to one end and it works fine 🤷
Without any loops or buffer, just a single straight pipe with junctions

[green fiber]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/680404866b7c573196367fe2

[dense violet]

oh weird

[green fiber]

This is that save load issue

It affects any and all systems

[frozen cloud]

just play for 16h ez fix

[rigid flicker]

So I never used manifolds before. So that would be the reason (At least one of them) I'm having efficiency problems?

[green fiber]

Manifolds arent needed

[frozen cloud]

maybe your pipes are magic idk

[green fiber]

But they do make it easier to connect stuff

[hard ivy]

If you used a belt or pipe that's too low tier, possibly
Or just didn't wait long enough

[reef basin]

or yours aren't 😛

[frozen cloud]

need to sacrifice more

[reef basin]

(though I've also heard theories that things depend on hardware as well)

[frozen cloud]

maybe he just doesnt realize that his machines are idle

[hard ivy]

I'm starting to think so too. Recently, I tried to help someone troubleshoot their nuke reactors. They didn't want to send me their save file so I rebuilt it from the screenshots. Mine worked perfectly first try. Not only that, I couldn't break it by filling or flushing the pipe

[frozen cloud]

bro is in a secret alpha test of fluids 2.0

[deft axle]

I’m back after another night of AFK and I think I’m going to stop doing it lol

Last night I was handcrafting modular frames and now I have 3 industrial containers full

😟

[placid stirrup]

You probably could've automated it in half the time 😂

[rapid wren]

is it possible to make blueprints sink slightly into the ground like things normally do

it's weird placing foundation based BP's and half of it floats

[hard ivy]

1.1 adds vertical nudging

[rapid wren]

true, i guess that helps a lot

weird that it was not included at first 😄 it's rather obvious

[hard ivy]

Before then, you might be able to place a foundation on the lower parts and align the blueprint to that instead? Idk if that works

[rapid wren]

pg down could be vertical

[hard ivy]

It is lol

[rapid wren]

pg down is vertical on experimental?

[hard ivy]

pg up/down, yes

[rapid wren]

i assume 1.1 has no node or world changes right, so i can simply update my client without issue

[quick sky]

there's an upside to everything!

upside: I cooked my food!
downside: I accomplished this by burning it

[arctic vapor]

What’s the new feature teased in the stream? I’m at work and can’t watch rn

[hard ivy]

ElevADA

got added to experimental in the last patch

But a little broken

[arctic vapor]

I thought elevators were in from the first 1.1 patch

[hard ivy]

Not elevators, ElevADA

[dense violet]

you know this is an automation game right?

[thick vine]

@rapid wren

you can place a foundation in the air and place the blueprint below it to make it sink into the grind

[worn garden]

guys im getting bored of this game 😭 😭

[reef basin]

turn it off and go play something else, or even do something else than playing games 😉

[forest sedge]

is the in-game music super low for anyone else? I thought it was bugged but I've just turned all the other volume sliders down and turned my system audio way up and it is there, just at like -50dB

it looks like other people have had the same issue since 1.0 released, but there's not been any fix?

I just unlocked the boombox to test that and for some reason the boombox's volume is controlled by the effects volume....eh???

[eternal delta]

Im gona say somone in the office has to have a remote controll of the recording light in Mikaels office

[deft axle]

Yes guys I know it’s an automation game, I’ve just been struggling to decide if I want to play with AFK overnight or not

Also, I just figured out that normal splitters don’t continue to output if the conveyor is full

So I’ve been making every manifold with Smart splitters yay I’m smart

I thought you had to use them lol

[tranquil maple]

AFKing is certantly one way to play, and especially once you get to early-mid game, you need a LOT of materials, and if you run out, you will inevitably have to AFK, but its rlly ur decision

[deft axle]

Yeah, I’m about to complete phase 2 and get to tier 5 and I’m loving everything about this game. I just don’t want to AFK and in turn ruin the progression.

[tranquil maple]

It doesn't ruin the progression, ppl will tell you that: once you get automated power, theres no point to the game anymore bc u can just leave it running forever, but a lot of the fun is streamlining the process and making it better.

[deft axle]

Yeah, that’s true and I really enjoy building the factories and then finding where they might be a little slow and using over clocks and upgrades to make them more and more and more efficient

Also just building in general in this game is super enjoyable

It’s like a really good book. I’m already dreading when it’s over.

[tranquil maple]

My advice is: just go wherever the hell you want: it's a sandbox, and theres no right or wrong way to do things. Just bc one location has all the resources you need doesnt mean that you have to build there. And fuck ADA when she says effecincy first, to whatever the hel you want.

[zenith pecan]

Just build giant things and don't care.

[rapid wren]

in my current case that is not useful, as it's a power pole with foundations for tight spaces, so i need to see the whole thing before placing 😄

[lavish lance]

so what was the "Final 1.1 feature"? i wasnt there for the stream

[zenith pecan]

Last night I finished gathering all the SAM on the map in to one spot under the dunes, no clue what to do with it lol #screenshots message

[rapid wren]

any specilations as to the release of 1.1?

i really want them QOL features now

[deft axle]

Anyway, I’m correct in saying that regular splitters can run manifolds? like I said earlier I was under the impression that only smart splitters will send overflow into the only available conveyor output

Every manifold I’ve built at this point I’ve been using smart splitters lol

[hard ivy]

Yes. Manifolds with smart splitters only fill up slightly faster and that's it

[tranquil maple]

Yea normal splitters will overflow if another output is full, itll just take some warmup time

[arctic vapor]

Just need to saturate the line to use normal splitters

[deft axle]

Dang

also, is it a bit overkill to have a factory for rotors and reinforced plates and a whole other factory just for modular frames?

I ended up running 2/3 of the output from my reinforced plates factory over to assist with making 1 million modular frames

Now I’m getting somewhere around 10 to 15 modular frames a minute

Might be a bit much, lol

[tranquil maple]

No, not nessacarily, unless multiple of those items intertwine, it isnt nessacary to produce items for ur storage room/dimensional depot at the same place as more advanced itmes

[lavish lance]

anyone watch the stream? whats the Final 1.1 feature mentioned?

[deft axle]

I have no idea what a dimensional depot is, but it sounds pretty cool

[tranquil maple]

it is

[deft axle]

I’m about to get hyper tube set up, but I think I wanna run it under a highway

I see that a lot of people make big highways and I kinda wanna do that too

[hard ivy]

It's unlocked in the MAM, I suggest you rush unlocking it

[deft axle]

Will do 🫡

[deft axle]

What line?

[hard ivy]

Alien technology

[deft axle]

Ok using that NAM?

Or whatever that stuff is that I cannot find lol

[hard ivy]

SAM

[tranquil maple]

its in the alien tech tree of the mam

ohh nvm

[deft axle]

Sam!!!

That’s the stuff

Haven’t found a sliver

[tranquil maple]

typically ur acsess to sam depends on ur starting locaion, but theres never more than a km away

[deft axle]

I started at the first one that the game recommends it’s basically grassland lol

[hard ivy]

There are no deposits, so you have to find a full-on node. And most aren't easy to find and/or get to

[deft axle]

I’m near the big vine Canyon

[hard ivy]

In caves or on high cliffs

[tranquil maple]

Under the rock arch or on top of the big pillar with the spiuraling root -lookin things

[deft axle]

And the closest coal is on that big stone arch

[tribal mica]

it's in a hole by the arch

[sullen gull]

You 'could' use SCIM to find some 😏

[hard ivy]

Take plenty of healing items!

[deft axle]

OK, I’ll have to look around in the caves and stuff near me

[tranquil maple]

lmao

[deft axle]

Why do I need healing items?

[tranquil maple]

spooders

[tribal mica]

and stink orchids

[hard ivy]

and gas I think

[deft axle]

Oh, I made it all mobs passive

😂😂

[sullen gull]

Craptastic spiders love to hang out around SAM

[tranquil maple]

lmao

[deft axle]

Does it take a lot longer to go from T5-T9 than it did to go from T1-T5?

I might stop rushing the milestones and build some big things.

[sullen gull]

Only in the sense of how many parts are required. But if your production quantity is high on items, shouldn't be too bad.

[broken thorn]

Yes, a lot

[rapid wren]

yes, it might take you 20x longer depending on your experience level

[deft axle]

I’m hoping it takes a while because it took me like 20 hours to get from 1 to 5

[deft axle]

First time lol

[broken thorn]

It's pretty easy to reach tier 6 in under 50 hours of save, if you go fast enough you can probably even do it in less than 15 hours

[wet ruin]

Is it anounced when 1.1 drops for real?

[rapid wren]

you will die of old age if you try to manually craft everything 5-9 😄

[broken thorn]

Getting to tier 5-9 will take hundreds of hours if you take it slowly

[sullen gull]

Nope

[deft axle]

Oh lord that would be horrible

[tribal mica]

the speed of part assembly goes way down too

[rapid wren]

i suggest making at least a smelter or foundry blueprint, that will save a lot of building time.

[sullen gull]

Or, way up I guess depending on how you're looking at it lol.

[lavish lance]

no one watched the stream and saw what that Final 1.1 feature is?

[sullen gull]

I did not, was it said? or Are you just hoping it was?

[lavish lance]

Mikael claimed in the anouncement that it would be said
or at least hinted at it

[deft axle]

Yeah, I’m ashamed to say I haven’t used the blueprints once

[sullen gull]

Ahh, I will have to check it out later this evening.

[supple echo]

anyone know if its possible to remove sleeping bodies (if people quit the world but their sat bodies stay)?

[reef basin]

kill them 🙂

[supple echo]

oh fr?

thanks

[hidden sparrow]

I just collect them like trophees

[broken thorn]

[split prairie]

am i missing something or the game doesnt allow to upgrade storage container to industrial storage? if its not possible how do i transfer the items stored without having a bunch of stuff in the ground?

[junior laurel]

They are different buildings, so no

[leaden ether]

Clear out enough inventory space on yourself personally :/

[split prairie]

yes but they do the exact same thing, weird that u cant upgrade it just like belts

no mods available to do that?

[leaden ether]

I've had to do this constantly over the last week as I am upgrading plants 😛 No mods I know of noo.

[reef basin]

because they have different sizes

[junior laurel]

If you had a set of drawers and you wanted to upgrade to a wardrobe...

[split prairie]

still dont see the problem, were not talking real life here. unless they would hit other buildings or there was lack of space i dont see why this is not a thing

[inner vapor]

hello everynyan

[reef basin]

because:

• it was not implemented
• devs didn't deem it important enough
• requires more programming work due to the size difference

and personally I don't see many points in the game where I'd want to upgrade it anyway. Containers are used super-early to store materials pre-depots and then only ISCs are used for train buffering (or waste storage)

[inner vapor]

do you guys remember when weeks ago i got called crazy on this exact text chat when i asked if you can copy and paste settings with a button from a far. turn out you can you can ctrl+c and ctrl+v to copt and paste settings without needing to pick you're recepie.

[split prairie]

never really needed them, so never really saw the use to upgrade. but since i just got trains i tought i will need a lot of concrete and steel beams and pipes to make the rails

[reef basin]

put them in dimensional depots 🙂

[split prairie]

dont think i have those, not sure how close i am to it too. i just unlocked phase 3

[reef basin]

they are in MAM (most important building in the game)

[frozen cloud]

+steel processing

[split prairie]

ill check it out but i dont think i have access to it yet

[reef basin]

MAM is unlocked practically at the start of the game

[cold mantle]

give 1.1 or i riot

[reef basin]

#satisfactory-experimental

[frozen cloud]

just play on experimental

[split prairie]

no i meant the tree branch to dimensional depot. but i have it just need these SAM fluctuator which i still have no clue how to get it, i recently unlocked oil stuff so im hoping its related to it (no spoilers pls 😆 )

[reef basin]

they are unlocked in the same tech tree

so you either already have them or will unlock them if you go through the SAM tech tree

[split prairie]

my best guess is thats its related to this SAM thingy on the tree but i still dont have acess or found it in the game. so for now ill have to do with the normal depots

[reef basin]

explore 🙂

[rapid wren]

what was the hotkey for blueprint mode?

[inner vapor]

R

[rapid wren]

oh i can't copy a styanding BP it seems, it's only for dismantling

[inner vapor]

i just go dismant mode blueprint and middle mouse click to copy

[rapid wren]

oh yeah

actually tried as you wrote that 😄

[rancid geyser]

Has anybody ever gone to the effort to measure out the physical size of rifle ammunition or in general the calibre used by the rifle?

[true mulch]

not sure, however you could dump the model and measure it from there

assuming the models use uniform scale and 1 UE unit = 1 cm

you'd probably have to measure the rifle's barrel (or whatever it's called) as the cartridges themselves don't show any exposed ammo and the shots are either hitscan or in-engine particles

[rapid wren]

i bet the barrel is huge, so the results might be it uses 50 cal

maybe even cannon size

[covert talon]

so how many hours do y’all have in-game

[true mulch]

~2k

[rapid wren]

500 soon

[leaden ether]

518 hours in 6 weeks of play. I don't leave the game on overnight, but I do leave it on over lunch/dinner/breaks during the day.

[rapid wren]

is it possible to mirror blueprints in 1.0?

or reverse it

[frozen cloud]

12 hours per day
actual gamer

[rapid wren]

lol, the nonsensical hitbox of the merger/splitter is making it impossible to make a propper smelter BP 😄

[covert talon]

it deletes afk hours anyways

if not i’d have way more

[rapid wren]

nvm, not impossible, just very annoying, i have to nudge every subsequent BP to be 1 space closer, as it does not snap propperly

[sacred summit]

What do you all do to approximate barricades and guardrails for roads, given the actual barricades from the AWESOME Shop don't morph to fit sloped foundations?

[leaden ether]

Retired 😄 But yeah, lifelong gamer 🙂

[fresh wharf]

Hey, I have a new train station but the freight station isn't working, why is that? The materials input just doesn't want to function for some reason

I have items just stalling infront of its input, and the storage is empty

[hard ivy]

Does it have power?

[fresh wharf]

Yes

[hard ivy]

Is a train docked to it?

[fresh wharf]

Yes

[hard ivy]

Undock it

[fresh wharf]

And then?

[hard ivy]

It should work

[fresh wharf]

It isn't

Oh shit, i'm so stupid, it's F to dock LOL

[rapid wren]

is it possible to get the conveyor lift to not pertrude so far from it's access point?

have it sit flush

take up less space

the foundry has it sit close

refinery wastes so much space

same with splitters/mergers

[sacred summit]

Yep. You need to put the splitter/merger/whatever down first. And then you need to butt the infeed conveyor up close to the where you want it to feed in. Then start placing the lift from the edge of the conveyor
EDIT: Assuming this is what you're wanting to accomplish: https://imgur.com/tyjNJpu

[rapid wren]

heavy oil can't be used for power right?

[tranquil maple]

in vehicles for fuel, but not for ur grid

[zenith pecan]

Heavy oil can make a ton of fuel if you're wanting poer though, either the blender or earlier packaged fuel recipe.

[cyan garnet]

Convert it to fuel and feed it to fuel generators

[zenith pecan]

It's so helpful though, I've always called HOR purple gold.

[cyan garnet]

HOR+diluted, my beloved

[zenith pecan]

HOR + Dilute is what's in the basement level of my colossal rocket fuel plant.

[zenith pecan]

You can drag & drop images directly into discord, #screenshots #satisfactory-experimental #1038092680493801533 etc, not truly important but its an option.

Hmm, portals maintain velocity, I'm so tempted to aim a cannon into one 🙂

[devout valley]

ive finally completed satisfactory all phases done woohoo 🎉

[hard ivy]

I already tried. Didn't work :(

[fathom grove]

How many hours ?

[devout valley]

i really took mine time so 271 hrs lol

[fathom grove]

Damn

I did not took my time and folded it in 120h

(First Playthrough)

But now i'm having fun with 600 Uranium

[devout valley]

my ocd went thru the roof on this game thats why it took so long everything had to look right and straight lmao

[stray patio]

Should i use hard drives for research or for MAM stuff?

[zenith pecan]

Aw 😦

[fathom grove]

Understandable

[devout valley]

yep now times for mod yay

[fathom grove]

Depends, the mam tech trees doesn't cost a lot of hard drives, and some alternate recipes are so good

[stray patio]

For Nitro Fuel

Or whatever its called

[covert talon]

any tips for balancing output from trains so i dont get a big overcut/undercut

[fathom grove]

TurboFuel, it's nice yeah

[hard ivy]

A balancer?

[stray patio]

im still on phase 1 so no use yet right?

[covert talon]

i mean logistic solution to getting the correct output of items per minute from a train

[fathom grove]

Lmao not at all, you need Petrol for that
Get yourself some good alt recipes to progress easier

[hard ivy]

If you only want to pull out a specific amount of items/min from a train and have the rest move on, then you can either let the first stop fill up (if it consumes exactly as much as you want to drop off there), or use a belt limiter

[reef basin]

tip: don't balance, use what you have on the belt

[reef basin]

easiest logistic solution for that is to put the correct amount on the train

[hard ivy]

"tip" implies it's a good idea. this is more of a neutral idea

[covert talon]

i mean

[reef basin]

loading screen tips sometimes aren't good ideas 🤷 😛

[covert talon]

if i use it optimally i would have to consider the time the train uses on its route etc

[reef basin]

nah, just consider "amount you put on the train = amount you take out of the train"

then the only thing left to do is build trains in correct amount to match the required throughput

[hard ivy]

You're using such non-specific terms I still don't know what exactly you're talking about

[frail sleet]

Honestly yeah just put the amount of stuff on the train that you want to take off, and make the train part of the route have higher throughput than the rest so that it doesn't bottleneck (especially in any inconsistent way)

dont consider the train in that part of the problem at all

that way lies insanity

[covert talon]

idk all the terms my bad, lets say i want to build a factory for a lot of endgame parts and want to import mid tier parts via train for assembly. then i could imagine its very quick for the machines to either be idle or for it to overflow

[frail sleet]

that's solved by correct buffering

[covert talon]

i guess correct buffering is what im looking for tips on then

[frail sleet]

Take stuff out of train into buffer/s

Leave train running for a bit so that the amount of parts in the buffer exceeds consumptionPerMin * tripTime, maybe even add the storage capacity of the machines too

Attach machines which are clocked to consume the amount that you want (less than comes on the train)

it will never run dry again so long as train throughput exceeds consumption per min, instead only the amount in the buffers will oscillate without hitting zero.

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont know if it goes for this game but in other games I played having a storage mk2 can be beneficial for the times that train goes back to getting materials.

If your demand matches with the supply, it should always work.

If your train is staying for too long in the station where it needs to unload, that means you need less items than what the train can provide, which is a good thing.

[covert talon]

alr ty folks

[sly heart]

So I've noticed that with mk1 pipeline pumps, they show a little "bulb" of sorts to sh ow where the headlift ends
But I swear I can't get it to show up with mk2 pumps which is really annoying

[frail sleet]

It only appears if the pipe is running out of headlift within a certain horizontal distance

that indicator also tends to be wrong (too high on the pipe)

[sly heart]

Damn

I'm pretty bad with verticality on pipes so I can never really tell where the pumps need to go

it's the worst when you only need a small amount of a fluid too, since it travels so slowly then

[frail sleet]

best way is read the headlift on the last pump that you have. If you wait for the liquid to be at a stable state, it will read the amount of headlift that is taken. If it's >=45m or so, just add another pump - otherwise leave it

yeah it is a bit annoying having to wait 😛

[sly heart]

yeeah

[frail sleet]

the other option is to use an excessive number of pumps

neither are really a 10/10 building experience but it works

[sly heart]

I want my gas mask filters now

[frail sleet]

well, there is also package>transport>unpackage which avoids that 😛 but bad for stuff like mass quantities of water, mostly.

for a bit of HOR it's fine, for a lot of verticality it's also fine (bypasses headlift/pumps)

[sly heart]

I really want to start using trains this playthrough

but they seem a bit of a hassle to work with since the rails never really angle the way you expect

[frail sleet]

they do IF you understand their behavior, and it's improved in 1.1

[naive pendant]

Building with rails is a bit tricky until it’s not tricky, yup.

[sly heart]

I should probably save them for HMFs and other complex parts though, since I tend to make multiple manufacturer parts all near my oil refinery

[frail sleet]

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaB0cbiotY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1UnsjD82c

I have not watched much of the second vid yet

[orchid shale]

Is anyone else constantly craashing on experimental today?

[sly heart]

I really should move to 1.1

If I uninstall the stable version, then install exp, would my stable saves be there, I forget

I never moved branches pre release, I was always on exp

[frail sleet]

back up your saves either way, but i believe so

saves are in the weird windows appdata area

rather than the game install folder

[supple echo]

anyone know if theres a way to limit how much of an ore goes which way on conveyors? have 2 foundries that need 45 and one that needs 30

[reef basin]

one splitter and it will self-balance

[sly heart]

yeah

[supple echo]

oh bet thanks

[zenith pecan]

Each blet has a capacity, mk1 will move 60 total, 2 - 120 and so on.

[sly heart]

the 30 one will fill up, and send to the 45

[fresh wharf]

Hey, is there a miner mk.3?

[sly heart]

yup!

[tranquil maple]

its in late of phase 4 tho

[fresh wharf]

Ah alright

[sly heart]

on a different but somewhat related note to my pipe talk

mk2 pumps look really nice

and smth I've noticed I do is I start coloring buildings once I get to oil and beyond

helps to be able to glance at a pipe and see it's hor

instead of checking it manually

[frail sleet]

especially for rocket fuel with the most efficient recipe 😄

[sly heart]

oh hey, this mk2 pump is actually doing it's full 50m
If only I could tell how far up I should place th enext pump lmao

[frail sleet]

Oil, Water, HOR, Fuel, Turbofuel, Nitric acid all over the place

[sly heart]

I su ppose I could stack 50 1m foundations and see where it lines up with

[frail sleet]

A zoop of 10x4m, maybe a couple extra is faster

[sly heart]

oh yeah

[fresh wharf]

Does putting a pump on a horizontal pipe increase flow rate?

[sly heart]

silly me, go 40m up and then use some 2ms

[frail sleet]

Generally no, if you're not exceeding proper headlift it only acts like a valve (there are some weird and poorly understood behaviors with complex pipe systems, but best practices avoid those)

[fresh wharf]

Okay, thanks

[sly heart]

I wish

horizontal pumps when/j

[supple echo]

#screenshots message

[sly heart]

that should work yeah
Even if they don't all need equal amounts, the slowest one will eventually hit max, then the other two will fill up as well
It'll look like the line is backed up but it isn't in reality

[supple echo]

awesome thanks

[sly heart]

this worked wonderfully, thank you

the greatest ruler

foundations

[green fiber]

Horizontal pumps technically boost flow.... They output fluid that goes into them as fast as possible.

But that is completely useless as the flow rate going into them is limited by how full the pipe before them is

So horizontal boosters are absolutely not possible.

Fluid only flows proportional to how full the pipe is

[green fiber]

Thats what the blue hologram ring is for.

You can see it when you snap pumps to pipes

[sly heart]

well y eah, but a lot of the time they just stop when they hit a pipe support for me

a mk2 pump's holo ring shouldn't go equally as far as the mk1's I imagine

stopping at the same pipe support

[green fiber]

They stop after 100m regardlessly

If it goes 60m hoizontally and then 50m vertically, you wont see it

Cause the ring would appear after 110m there

But it stops at the pipe before that

[sly heart]

ah

[supple echo]

you know how long it'll take? seems like i dont have enough coal rn but the math works out

[sly heart]

if the math works out it'll work eventually
You could manually grab some ore/coal and fill up the machine yourself so the other two start filling quicker

I do that sometimes I'll admit

[supple echo]

thing is i did that but coal is still dropping

i have 120 coming in, 3 foundries (45, 45 and 30) connected to 1 splitter

[green fiber]

Check if the input belt is stuttering

Or if it moves slower than it should

[supple echo]

what does stuttering look like?

[green fiber]

Belt moves, belt stops

[supple echo]

gaps between ore?

oh no it isn't doing that

[green fiber]

Gaps indicate you dont make enough

Or your belt is faster

[supple echo]

belt is faster for some

[green fiber]

Faster than you input ore

You using a mk 2 belt or mk 3?

[supple echo]

but im also getting gaps on the mk 2

both

my coal is 800m away so i use mk.2 to get it to my factory then mk.3 inside

[green fiber]

Well then you should check the mk 2 coming in

[supple echo]

yh its got gaps

im following it now to see if i forgot to put mk.2 somewhere or its the miner

[green fiber]

The mk 3 inside the factory will onbiously have gaps because it moves faster than you give it input

[green fiber]

Then thats very likely the actual issue

[supple echo]

yh makes sense

[tranquil maple]

does anybody know off the top of their head how much copper ore a maxed out nuclear setup would take?

[heavy dock]

to the people that play satisfactory on maximum/close to max settings what is ur pc setup?

[green fiber]

What does max out setup mean to you

[supple echo]

kidding me... i forgot to put in power crystals to make my coal miner do 120 per minute.. was doing 60/min

gaps r fixed thx

[tranquil maple]

using all 2100 uranium

[green fiber]

Well the uranium part would need 0 copper unless you use alts

Plutonium and Ficsonium.....

[tranquil maple]

just wondering bc I mayyyy be hitting the map limit...

at some point

[green fiber]

You'll hit the SAM limit first i believe

[tranquil maple]

I wont have converter acsess yet

[green fiber]

Then it ends at plutinium for you

[zenith pecan]

I have no idea what to do with all the sam.

[green fiber]

Taro is a dark mage concerned with the arts of "maxed-out-ium" and is not part of the statistic

[supple echo]

i got an a level tomorrow and im more concerned w making sure i got enough coal for my steel plant 😭

[tranquil maple]

yea Im just a little concerned about how much copper I have #screenshots

[zenith pecan]

I'll find a use for it all I guess, since every last bit is routed to the dunes and fed into constructors to reanimate already 😄

[supple echo]

will conveyer belts stuttering be very visible or harder to spot? not sure if they are or not @green fiber

[green fiber]

You'll know it when you see it.

You know how belts normally move by now, you'll spot the difference.
Just like described.

[supple echo]

but also from listening to it, it sounds like its stuttering

nvm it was just my game bugging

[green fiber]

Stop-n-go movement

[supple echo]

it never fully stops, just seems like it slows down then speeds up

think i might be seeing things ngl

[green fiber]

As long as the belts on the splitter output dont stutter, neither should the input belt

[fresh wharf]

Do fluid buffers provide flow or do I have to use a pump?

[green fiber]

they are like pipes. But tall and very voluminous
Treat them like such

Their height is important for head lift. You need at least 8m head lift to fill a normal buffer and 12 m for an industrial one

[supple echo]

doesnt look like they're stuttering! my coal issue is fixed, thanks!

[robust nymph]

yk I really think stingers are some of the best designed monsters in almost any game I've ever played

even after seeing them god knows how many times they are still fucking terrifying

[sharp yew]

i like the cats too

the design of the elite gas cats are so creepy

[robust nymph]

that's for the weak :p

[tranquil maple]

Good for you!

Im a severe arachnophobe

[sharp yew]

YAY CATS

[tranquil maple]

lmao

[zenith pecan]

Nuclear weapons help there.

[tranquil maple]

buuuuut until then what do i do?

[zenith pecan]

Regular explosives do a decent job.

[robust nymph]

and gun

[sharp yew]

yeah i think rebar gun does a lot of damage

does rifle work well too?

ive never tried it

[zenith pecan]

Guns are ok if you don't panic, flilling an area with stuff that go boom when you do panic is fairly effective.

[robust nymph]

I meant the rifle but yeah rebar until then

[robust nymph]

true, I love turning into a bomber plane with a jetpack and a stack of nobelisks

[sharp yew]

i used to make my explosives by hand, but now i have a machine make loads of em for me

[zenith pecan]

I used something like this #satisfactory-experimental message , with a rebar gun or bombs, blueprinted, chuck it down, get inside and engage with impunity.

Thankfully they fixed the conveyor hole 1.1 booboo so I can once again use a battle shack to kill stuff without needless gymnastics.

[sharp yew]

love the pop up shelter

[sullen gull]

Heya fellow Pioneers.

[robust nymph]

hello

[sharp yew]

hello

[sullen gull]

Everyone staying efficient and minding ADA I hope?

[reef basin]

no and no

[sullen gull]

Sweeeeeet

[zenith pecan]

A blueprinted combat shack of whatever design you see fit can save you a lot of grief and unneded running around when taking on dangerous stuff in this not-a-fps-game.

[robust nymph]

the clusteruck of trains that my grass fields are rapidly becoming is very efficient

so does setting creature hostility to retaliate or passive if you're not interested in combat :p

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I haven't mastered them either. Bout the best I do are straight shots there and back

[robust nymph]

I mean, it's a clusterfuck but it's a well-oiled and organized (and most importantly genuinely quite efficient) clusterfuck

[tranquil maple]

Why is there a freighter in the titan forest that needs turbo motors 😭

[robust nymph]

I guess that makes it not a cluster fuck but whatever

[robust nymph]

because normal motors are not fast enough for it

[tranquil maple]

lmao

[sullen gull]

I think I am screwing myself on layout. This is just the stuff for rocket fuel, and I still have 196 refineries and a smathering of other buildings to place 😭 #screenshots message

[sharp mauve]

Hello guys, how you doing today?

I want to know if there is any kind of dupe item in this current version. I Like to play the factory part of the game, but the exploration to find the mercer spheres, somersloop, hard drives and slugs is kinda bad for me. I want to have these items while still being able to get achievements

[robust nymph]

there is in 1.1 experimental but none that I know of in main branch

just use save editing

[sharp mauve]

save editing?

[robust nymph]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

put your save in that, look up a guide on yt or something

[sullen gull]

To be fair, I feel the exploration is a huge part . However, the link that @robust nymph just posted will work

[sharp mauve]

yea, i kinda like it when im looking for a new place for my factory, but the parts where you need to go to certain area to get on a cave to get a single sphere, is not my definition of fun

[robust nymph]

I mean, if you don't enjoy it just play the part of the game you do enjoy and use workarounds to skip the rest. It's a singleplayer game, how you play doesn't affect others, so just do whatever the fuck you want 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

If it's the 'combat' that is not enjoyable, you could always just set the creatures to retaliate or passive 🤷‍♂️

[sharp mauve]

yea, i think the same way

[sullen gull]

Wait, there is what in 1.1 experimental?

A dupe bug you mean?

[robust nymph]

yes

[sullen gull]

Ahhh ok...

[placid stirrup]

It's just easier to SCIM in whatever extra resources you want. There was a weird world collectibles reset during the 1.0 release for an update so I doubt they'll make the same oopsie.... Right? Right guys?...

[robust nymph]

I think that's something that has happened before right?

[sullen gull]

Yeah, one of the early 1.0 updates

[zenith pecan]

SCIM comes in handy as a navigation aid for when I'm tunnelling to a location from below, lay down the foundations, see if I'm on target, if not, I can soon correct it, the ruler feature is surprisingly handy.

[robust nymph]

I mean in the EA updates

[vestal mica]

what tier do we unlock tunneling?

[zenith pecan]

It isn't official, so if you build underground and it gets mullered, you're on your own ⚠️

[robust nymph]

If you're into modding there is a mod that shows the same kind of building layout on your map as you see in SCIM

[sullen gull]

I just wish is was a tad easier to move just a floor instead of selecting everything

[sullen gull]

I heard it was cray hard on the performance though? That still true?

[zenith pecan]

I wish they did that officially, I'm a little nervous with mods since an update can knock it out, and potentially brick the save.

[robust nymph]

Have not noticed anything as of yet, but this playthrough is the first I'm using it on and this save is not that big yet

[deft axle]

Hey guys, this may be an obvious and stupid question but I’m really looking forward to building some highways in train tunnels around the map but as of right now most of my factories in buildings are a couple hundred meters from each other max so I don’t see a huge point in making these big methods of getting around the entire map or at least around a large portion of it, is there a good reason at some point?

[robust nymph]

mods like this one are generally safe to drop and go back to vanilla at any time, as they don't add anything to the world.

A mod that adds something like a new machine is more problematic though, as the machine will disappear if you then load that save in vanilla

[robust nymph]

yes, the further you get the more resources you need

and some of the late game resources are quite spread out

[sullen gull]

Cobalt posted a good video the other day on building, and the user also has some good ones on roads. Trying to find a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewPScvGuehQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ye_GiB9bC0

[deft axle]

Nice, my question was a bit more like “why should I build stuff far away when I can build it all within a few hundred meters”

I WANT to build stuff far but I hope there is a good reason in the future

[robust nymph]

because soon enough you won't be able to build it all within a few hundred meters

how far into the game are you?

[deft axle]

I’m very glad to hear that

[deft axle]

Almost done with phase 2 and finished all milestones in T4

[robust nymph]

alright, trust me, it get A LOT more difficult in terms of recipe complexity and logistics challenges :p

[sullen gull]

And remember, you don't HAVE to stay where your at. You can leave factories you've built and then go build somewhere else at any point. Just dissasemble the hub and space elevator, and them up whenever you need.

[deft axle]

True!

[deft axle]

Good I’m so excited for the challenges

[robust nymph]

enjoy the simplicity while you have it, you might miss it later :p

[sullen gull]

And then later just use a truck/train/drone to bring in those resources you're making currently.

[robust nymph]

but yeah, the difficulty scales way up, but with that also the fun imo

[sullen gull]

And those videos were just meant so that you had them when you go and start making them btw.

[deft axle]

Thank you guys!

[placid stirrup]

You're welcome

[vapid falcon]

time to time the autosave crashes my game

[hidden sparrow]

I honestly have set the autosave to every minute and now i dont even notice them anymore

[stray patio]

alright

[zenith pecan]

👋

[stray patio]

Hey man

[slender folio]

does anyone know how to get rid of the experimnetal build banner when playing on 1.1

[leaden turret]

wait for a full release

[jovial oracle]

What's the height ceiling of the game?

[slender folio]

fr?

[leaden turret]

yup

[leaden turret]

something like 2km?

[jovial oracle]

Alright.

[slender folio]

that's really annoying :/

[stray patio]

hru

[junior laurel]

after a couple hours your brain tunes it out

[stray patio]

wen relese

[leaden turret]

soon™️

[slender folio]

i play with a bigger UI so it doesnt help at all :<<

[stray patio]

Im doing fine

[stray patio]

I hope

You play My Summer Car? youre valid

damn

i watch Mart alot

yk who i mean?

martincitopants

[dusky relic]

Is there an ideal train:trailer ratio?

[leaden turret]

at least one train, at least one freight

I think it only matters if you're going uphill. if your tracks are all on the same level, is largely moot

[robust nymph]

I tend to not do more than 3 trailers per locomotive, as on the steepest incline possible a single locomotive can pull ~2.8 fully filled freight cars

[dusky relic]

Wait do fright cars' weight change if theyre full or not?

[zenith pecan]

At least with any haste, I had 1 loco pull 400 cars up a steep slope before, though at 13km/h

[robust nymph]

Can do 4 per locomotive if you don’t have any steep inclines but more than that I can’t recommend

[robust nymph]

Yes

They get heavier

[robust nymph]

Next have fun with your 400 platform station :p

[dusky relic]

Okay thank you

so i should do 3 trains for 8 frieghts?

[robust nymph]

Depends, are there any steep inclines on your track?

If not you can get away with 2 locomotives just fine, but if there are I would do 3 locomotives yeah

[zenith pecan]

Here's the train #satisfactory-experimental message , it was never meant for actual use, but a crash test that at the time nuked my fps down to about 4.

Here's that single loco winding up the 400 car mess into a very clippy circular mess ready for the resulting car explosion #satisfactory-experimental message , so fast!

[robust nymph]

Seems…. Very practical

[zenith pecan]

Not so much but it did test the game engine, here's the experiment I was setting up #satisfactory-experimental message

[left totem]

that's a lot of freight cars

[zenith pecan]

Train crashes aren't anywhere near as explosive or amusing these days, the physics was turned way down.

[dusky relic]

#screenshots message

Up 2, across 5

[broken thorn]

2 locomotives is fine

[dusky relic]

ty

[zenith pecan]

Whenever I've tried to use a train for actual cargo and not insane experiments, I've aimed to keep the track completely level, same approach I use for long range pipes.

[cold glen]

Just finished, ending is pretty cool. Wouldve been nice if the credits didnt take up half your screen while it was happening tho tbh

[leaden turret]

cursed wish: credits now take up 90% of screen

[split prairie]

uh im not sure how this happened but it seems like my explorer (vehicle) got stuck inside a rock in the wall, cant find it anywhere the maps show it seems like its inside the rock

[dusky relic]

I was wondering why I couldnt find my lizard doggo's... Satisfactory save editor says they're 65k units under ground

[stray patio]

Steeled Frames are ass i suppose?

2 Reinforced iron plates and 10 steel pipes

[placid stirrup]

There's not a single alt that's useless

[vestal mica]

not single. more like 5 or 6

[stray patio]

Lol

[broken thorn]

🙏🏻

[broken thorn]

U could use iron pipes

[placid stirrup]

Just because you can't find a use for them doesn't mean they're useless

[vestal mica]

well I have found one use. triggering the "every alt is special" bots in here

[placid stirrup]

In the most literal sense of the word, yes

[zenith pecan]

A couple of alts I'd never use, I don't really see the point, charcoal for example.

[hard ivy]

I only ever use like half of them

[zenith pecan]

Most have a use, in specific areas based on what resources are locally available, some just feel a bit surplus to requirements.

[merry kettle]

So far I think I've find a use case for every alt except charcoal and fertile uranium

[hard ivy]

After hypertubes, "locally available" is all of them

[hard ivy]

Fertile uranium gives you more plutonium per uranium waste

[zenith pecan]

Not quite what I meant, you're not shoving materials into a hypertube, unless you want 3km belts, locally means literally that, just nearby.

[merry kettle]

But less plutonium per input uranium, if my math is correct

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, not one I'd bother with tbh, while you can use PU waste with ficsonium, using that over just sinking the plutonium rods is quite a net loss.

[hard ivy]

After hypertubes I can yeet myself wherever I want on the map, and use the resources there. Except uranium there's always a place that has everything nearby, regardless of the recipes you use

[zenith pecan]

My next project, it's basic tunnel path already laid down, will move every last scrap of bauxite to the east coast of the dunes.

[latent prawn]

yeah, the recipe on its own is sort of an overkill though. send half of your waste to fertile uranium and half with what you make from fert uranium to the plut pellet recipe and you end up with some pretty nice numbers with a much better yield

[hard ivy]

Yeah, it's only useful when you want to get the absolute maximum amount of plutonium you can

[latent prawn]

well, going absolute max is fert u -> instant cell -> plut unit... that's sort of a waste to do b/c you're really burning a lot of uranium ore on that all without generating more power

additionally, the PCC's needed for that are pricey AF to make

[broken thorn]

LOL NO WAY HE SAID THAT

[stray patio]

Copper Rotor or Charcoal?

[hard ivy]

Maximizing Plut cells in Satisfactory Logistics uses fertile uranium, so it's probably more uranium efficient (if your only goal is to make plutonium)

[hard ivy]

I never said it was worth it lol

[elder apex]

charcoal, so you can grill out all the alien protein you find

[latent prawn]

copper rotor. charcoal is a freebie unlock on its own. copper rotor is only useful after a certain point when your belts can handle a lot of screws AND you have the 2 refinery recipes for copper sheet.

[stray patio]

or should i rescan maybe?

[latent prawn]

imho, given that choice, i'd leave the recipes unselected and keep them out of the rng pool

any time you scan a drive, don't select a recipe choice unless you immediately need it

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I never rescan. Then the trash goes back into the selection pool

[elder apex]

no, definitely pick copper rotor over charcoal, I was just attempting some off world humor

[stray patio]

but.. new recipe 😔

[latent prawn]

you can look at it in the library any time you want

if you're not going to use it immediately, all your loosing out on is it not appearing in the machine recipe selection UI

plus it saves the rescan for some time in the future when you really don't want to hunt drives in the swamp or pink forest for that last recipe you need in the oil or aluminum chain

[merry kettle]

Ah, yes. I was including the power generated by the uranium in my calculations.

[hard ivy]

When you maximize power, then no, it's not more uranium efficient

[latent prawn]

max power i can figure out how to make out of nuclear is 1.5 tw

*without waste

[zenith pecan]

More if you connect power amplifiers to their output.

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'm not counting APA's

the 1.5tw uses almost all the sloops in the game, so you may pull off building 1 of them with the remaining sloops

which isn't bad if you fuel it for the 30%

[merry kettle]

Which gets back to use cases; don't see a use case for fertile uranium. Or charcoal, since biocoal is strictly better in the one use case (utiliziing sloops)

[latent prawn]

fert uranium saves a lot of resources and gives better yield off of plut power if you choose to burn plut rods

[hard ivy]

With or without converting bauxite to more uranium?

[latent prawn]

if you are just sinking the plut rods to avoid waste, there isn't a point in fert u

[merry kettle]

If you're looking at generating power, there isn't a point in prioritizing plutonium over uranium, since it uses more resources

[latent prawn]

well, i don't feel that is strictly necessary. the 1.5 tw is actually only using 2000/min of the uranium

[hard ivy]

Sloops?

[latent prawn]

if you don't mind horrible fractions, you could squeeze that extra 100/min into the build, or convert 300 uranium to go to 2400/min, which gets you to 1.875 tw

yeah, lots of sloops.

i think it needs 96 spread between sam, fics ingots and the ikea lamps

[hard ivy]

That makes sense. With all sloops and resources used, but no bauxite conversion Satisfactory Optimizer says max power from nuclear without waste is 1 894 653.716 MW

With conversion, it's 3 978 313.953

[merry kettle]

Actually ... I guess if you have excess uranium and a situational shortage of sulfur and nitrous gas.

[latent prawn]

i can post the numbers i'm working from if we discuss it all elsewhere

[merry kettle]

Wait, no, doesn't make sense there either.

[latent prawn]

fert uranium is a more useful recipe than you think. you're wrong in what your assumptions are

when combined with plut pellet, you convert more uranium waste for a lesser cost of uranium ore

[deft axle]

Is the dimensional depot an unlimited storage?

[latent prawn]

no, initially it can store one stack of each item; with upgrades, the capacity per item goes up to 5 stacks

[deft axle]

So what’s the main use for it?

[latent prawn]

supplying building materials

essentially you stick them on top of your mall containers to provide you remote access to the mall

[hard ivy]

Teleporting items from your factories to your inventory

[merry kettle]

Also allowing you to grab stuff like ammo, or the ingredients for ammo, in the field.

[latent prawn]

since their introduction, i've not really built a proper mall

[deft axle]

Hmmm

[broken thorn]

Have you never wanted to get 5000 tons of concrete through wifi ?

[merry kettle]

Or, if you like to explore using vehicles, you can dump packaged fuel into a depot and be able to refuel in the field

[latent prawn]

yeah, i have 5 dimensional depots piping concrete into my inventory, lol

[deft axle]

Hmmmmmm

Ok

[merry kettle]

I typically have 20 dimensional depots for concrete, lol. And I still have to wait

[broken thorn]

Have dreamed of it since toddler days 🥺

[placid stirrup]

You wouldn't download 5000 tons of concrete

[latent prawn]

the two items i find i have the hardest time with the uploads speeds are concrete and aluminum casings

[broken thorn]

It really depends on what blueprint youre using and how often

My train bp consumes like 200 steel beams a click and I place 2 of those or more a minute

[latent prawn]

yeah, i've had to wait a few times for alclad sheets too

[placid stirrup]

Copper sheets and plastic can go poof when you're doing intense plumbing

[latent prawn]

the casings are a pain b/c there's a lot of late game box factories that i'm still hand-feeding

[placid stirrup]

Looks at 8 simultaneous DDs of sheets and casings
👀

[broken thorn]

@delicate ocean #screenshots message you can't

[elder apex]

i've had problems with copper sheets as well but oddly never with plastic. Rubber and EIBs are my other big problem areas

[broken thorn]

They literally spawn anywhere they want, you can't do anything about it

You might kill it but it always comes back

[placid stirrup]

I doubt I ever will again but it makes sense with the 3x5 pipe BP I was laying down several of

[broken thorn]

It's like a plague

[elder apex]

mine was from fuel gen blueprints

[latent prawn]

I don't use mk2 pipes much unless there's no way to easily get around needing more than 300/min

[broken thorn]

I just use MK2 pipes as mergers and MK1 as splitters

[elder apex]

same here, my mk2 pipe usage is pretty much limited to getting the fluid to the first split

[latent prawn]

yeah, pretty much. in a recycled oil build, i use an mk2 for the 400/min that you naturally have to break the blender output into

probably a few other niche cases, but i really ask myself why i'm using an mk2 when i use them

[broken thorn]

Guys hear me out what if I create a fluid tower so it's impossible to have backflow

[hard ivy]

Then you'd be wrong

[broken thorn]

Why ?

[hard ivy]

You'll still have backflow, just not past the tower

Which doesn't matter much

[broken thorn]

Wait I think I could make it work

What if I make a fluid logistical floor about 20 meters above the machines, and I bring the pipes down connecting to the machines

The machines wouldn't be able to backflow, only receive

[hard ivy]

You can still have backflow in the pipe you put above

[merry kettle]

This works pretty well, you just have to mind how and where you split. If your splits always descend, you should avoid backflow; it's horizontal splits that tend to cause issues.

[broken thorn]

Well, It'd at least make the situation a lot better, right ?

[hard ivy]

Yes

[broken thorn]

Yeah I think I'll design a factory with that, thanks for the feedback

[hard ivy]

And you don't need 20m.

like 5 will be enough

[broken thorn]

Isn't it at least 10?

Machines can lift fluids up to 10 meters

[tall raven]

question, what is the point of doing really massive power at the endgame, where could it all be used

[broken thorn]

you haven't seen the machines with oscillating power, have you ?

[hard ivy]

at the output, not at the input

[broken thorn]

If overclocked and somerslooped a single machine can consume over 20gw at peak

I could be wrong though please correct me if I am

[tall raven]

my plan is to make 24 fuel rods a minute to power 120 nuclear plants, just for the lols

but it would be nice if i could actually utilize that power

[latent prawn]

really because you can if you don't strictly need the power

[lime ermine]

Have you seen the power plant kibitz is building? Over 200,000 GW.

[elder apex]

Excess power also gives you the freedom to overclock other machines with less concern, thus enabling a person to build less machines to get the same material output everywhere else.

[broken thorn]

I'm planning on building a 160Gw turbofuel power plant 😭

[latent prawn]

200 tw?

[tall raven]

120 nuclears is 300gw

i feel like there aren't enough resources in the game to make something that's multiple orders of magnitudes bigger than that

[elder apex]

one Mr Fusion and a few banana peels is > 1.21 GW

[hard ivy]

Yeah, the max is I think like 10-20 TW

[latent prawn]

ironically 2 APA's probably works out to just about that

[lime ermine]

We need a Mr. Fusion in satisfactory

[elder apex]

i've got one mounted on my Delorean shaped cart

[tall raven]

between trying to wrangle enough water together for all those nuclears and making a MAM in shapez 2, i got my automation hands full for the near future 👏

[lime ermine]

I have one on my Lego delorian

[latent prawn]

it is possible to build quite a lot of power. the question is whether there will be any useful resources left after you build it to do anything interesting with the power

[broken thorn]

With augmentation taken into account ?

[tall raven]

i thought it was really cool how you got coal back out of doing the higher fuel tiers

[hard ivy]

Yeah. I just checked and Optimizer gives me 14.5 TW with 9 matrixed augmenters, which is surprisingly more than with 8 or 10, which both give 14.0

[tall raven]

compared to the turbo fuel meta before then, it adds a whole new facet to the planning

it feels recursive almost

[latent prawn]

TF wasn't really the rage since the early updates. people got really wise to the fact that yellow fuel was easier to build a lot of

[tall raven]

why settle for easy when super cool is right over there

[hard ivy]

Turbofuel is kinda meh. The only good thing about it is the oil efficiency, which isn't always important. Otherwise it's as good or worse than regular fuel

[cyan garnet]

Rule of cool applies

[lime ermine]

Why do I want to eat packaged ionized fuel? It just looks tasty

[latent prawn]

yeah, the extra 33% you get out of tf really wasn't ever enough for endgame needs though

[broken thorn]

I do it because I like to suffer 😃

Built a 40km rail network just to get some sulfur nodes

( I'm not stupid I'll use it to a lot more than that )

[latent prawn]

you can make 120 gw of rocket fuel power off of 600/min of sulfur. no need for trains

[broken thorn]

Show me the tools for it

Also I'm not in rocket fuel phase

I'm building it before mk5 belts and mk3 minors

[latent prawn]

its just use blended tf to make 1200 tf from 900 oil + 600 sulfur and pipe that into making 2000 default rf

i'll show you a picture of my build if you'd like

[broken thorn]

Do not abbreviate turbo fuel

[placid stirrup]

Why turbo fuel not?

[broken thorn]

Also I don't have blenders

I'm using diluted packaged fuel as example not diluted fuel

I got the powaaaaa

I'm not rushing phase 3 either I want to take it slowly

I refuse to advance before I have 80Gw power, 15 hmf and computer per minute, some oscillators too

[placid stirrup]

Damn, haven't seen a Phase 3 situationship before

[broken thorn]

lol

[hard ivy]

You could probably get there on a quarter of the power

[broken thorn]

Ye but I like power

Doesn't everyone in this game make 10x more power than they need

[hard ivy]

2x, maybe

[broken thorn]

Also right now my max consume is 3x my production

💀

I'm producing around 6gw

Maybe a bit less

[hard ivy]

My breaker would've tripped long ago lol. My consumption is always at least 90% of my max consumption

[broken thorn]

I will probably need a thousand batteries when turning the power plant on

Because it'll take some time for the trains deliver the resources until it turns on

[hard ivy]

If there are no resources then it won't draw anything?

I turned on my fuel plant with 2 APAs and nothing else

[delicate ocean]

do versatile frameworks cap at 50 per slot?

[broken thorn]

Anyone can sum up what was said in today's devstream?

[broken thorn]

Yes

[prisma thicket]

I believe all project parts cap at 50 per stack

[old talon]

Hi, do normal power lines have an electrical capacity?

or is it just based off of what i'm producing

[prisma thicket]

Power lines have no capacity limit. If you're producing 50 MW or 500000 MW it's the same

[dense violet]

powerlines can move however much you need. Otherwise it'd say in it's tool tip

[old talon]

thanks so much, i'm added up all the things drawing power rn and i just must be missing something cause i thought i was over with 7 coal plants

[prisma thicket]

7 coal plants should be producing 525 MW of power if they are all running at capacity. Usually you want to run 8 coal generators with 3 water extractors to one line of 120 coal per minute. Are all your coal plants running at 100%?

[old talon]

i do have 3 W.E. and 2 t1 coal miners feeding into 1 t2 belt. i just added the 8th coal generator

[split prairie]

do conveyor lift floor holes have a maximum distance? im trying to put one with around 50x4m tall foundations but its not appearing on both ends

[rapid wren]

will i need sulfur at oil eventually? idc about automating jetpack fuel or gunpowder

or coal?

[cyan garnet]

Only if you want to do turbo fuel or rocket fuel

[prisma thicket]

Well you don't need sulfur for much I don't think, unless you want to make turbo fuel, rocket fuel or ionized fuel. It's also needed to make batteries if you want those to power drones.

[cyan garnet]

You can use plain old packaged fuel in the jetpack although it’s not particularly good

Liquid biofuel is a very good jetpack fuel until you can get ionized, IMHO

[zenith pecan]

I'm sorely tempted to sloop one of my rocket fuel blenders to feed a packager or two.

[prisma thicket]

I'm not sure if floor holes go through more than one foundation at a time. But you can link a floor hole in the bottom foundation to a floor hole in the top one and just cover it up with foundations afterwards.

[cyan garnet]

You can make plenty of power with just oil and water using HOR and Diluted (Packaged) Fuel, no need to involve coal or sulfur or nitrogen

[cyan garnet]

You can link multiple foundation holes together but they have to be perfectly aligned. You can also use a foundation hole to bypass the conveyor length limit but again you need it to be lined up perfectly

[split prairie]

i just realised that, now im trying to see if i can align them

[split prairie]

yeah, i think theyre aligned but still having some trouble figuring it out

dont know whats wrong but the foundations are aligned to the grid, but when i connect the lifts through the holes one side of it doesnt connect just right

[sullen gull]

One easy way to align is to either zoop temp foundations in vertical, or use beams and nudge

And there may be better ways, those are just the two I have gotten used to.

[prisma thicket]

I prefer using a small concrete pillar on the corner of the top foundation and zoop it down. I also tend to put all my floor holes in the center of foundations, or at least I put the first one there and any further ones are added on the sides.

[sullen gull]

Nice. Love hearing about different 'tricks of the trade'

[zenith pecan]

I'm forever using concrete walls as impromptu measuring sticks.

[sullen gull]

I mean, when it only takes maybe 4 in 'your environment' 🤣

[zenith pecan]

Also works for pre-positioning pumps while pipe laying vertically.

[zenith pecan]

4, are you kidding, do you have any idea how deep my tunnels are 😛

[leaden ether]

Radio Control Units are turning out to be my Achilles' heel 😦 Producing enough of them seems to require an extraordinary amount of resources compared to items of similar level.

[sullen gull]

I Only just recently learned that I could zoop 4 meter foundations through something that has a fluid input where the input features are just barely sticking through the edge, and then use that to nudge and position junctions any where vertically. Though, 1.1 of course makes it SO much nicer with the infinite and vertical nudging

[sullen gull]

Lol, I don't, Though I assumed there were massive factories. I was being slightly factious 😏

[sullen gull]

How many are you needing to make?

[prisma thicket]

I hated automating those things. Alt recipes do make them a bit easier on the initial resources, but they are still a pain to get made.

[zenith pecan]

Like the SAM processing plant detailed here that takes in the whole worlds ore? #screenshots message

[young crest]

Satisfactory
SatiSfactory
S=6
Sx2 = 66
66+6 = 666

666satisfactory? Satisfactory is satanic?

[sullen gull]

Well, sure, but the areas that is all in is maybe what, 15/20M high maybe?

[sullen gull]

Sure, having fun yet?

[zenith pecan]

Shafts are often 100-200 though, and the power station is north of 600.

[leaden ether]

I think around 40-50 would be enough for now, I'm making 10 and that was using a 10 story electronics factory. I'm going to have to redo the entire thing. I wasn't realising exavtly how many I would need and 10 was enough for the initial playthrough. Expanding it is going to be ...

[young crest]

Yeah just did the mk4 conveyor ritual

[sullen gull]

Meters high?

[zenith pecan]

Yeah.

[young crest]

Sacrificed touching grass

[leaden ether]

I went through the alt recipes and they are all pretty expensive in one way or another. I'll have to carefully work out which one will best fit for my current lower level production.

Maybe the Radio COnnection Unit one...

[sullen gull]

Hah, nice. I havn't even automated them yet in this save. Been being obsessed with this alu plant, which I decided was also going to act as a fuel delivery to other drone stations ... and ... 🤦‍♂️

[leaden ether]

I just today finished my al plant redo. But now I may need even MORE al casings or heatsinks which I am already producing a ton of 😄

[sullen gull]

And then I see like 3 others on reddit already done and I'm like uggggh 😛

[placid stirrup]

50 RCU is very ambitious

[sullen gull]

Lol, I am going for 'All The bauxite". Yet I an being a dunce and building it all before I even have mk6 belts

[zenith pecan]

I'm not joking either #screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

I think I went to 42 and ended up with higher than average issues causing buildups

[leaden ether]

I might be happy with 40 actually... 20 for my motor city plant and 20 for the advanced tech stuff.

[placid stirrup]

Hehe I made Turbo Town as well

[leaden ether]

The mk6 belts were vital! First time I've sort of "had" to use them.

[sullen gull]

Are you planning on making that "fully enclosed" or leaving it open to the clipped sky? 😏

[sullen gull]

Oh, yeah, I know lol. 12,300 bauxite isn't possible with out them lol.

[zenith pecan]

I'm not sure I follow, with the exception of the production levels which I never completed the plans for, it is fully enclosed.

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, I'm planning a bauxite highway to collect all of that bauxite.

[sullen gull]

But I started setting other factories up with drone stations before realizing I needed a way to fuel them.

[placid stirrup]

Are you doing any alts to simplify production or increase alu product?
We did half the bauxite with maximized output

shameless plug of the factory tour if you'd like to see it

[sullen gull]

So then I was like, Well, I have enough oil ran here, just up RF production, do that first and center of the plant, and then once I have the drone fuel being worked, I can then concentrate on doing the other plants. Like Cooling systems and they're damn nitrogen lol

[prisma thicket]

Have you tapped the huge Nitrogen well in the center of the map yet?

[sullen gull]

Every weekend I go out and clear out sections of the map of mercers, slugs, and hdds. I just leave the recipes I don't want so that lessons the random pool for new ones.

[sullen gull]

I currently have two tapped.

Far NW tip and farthest east one.

[placid stirrup]

No I mean for the aluminum specifically - which alts are you using, if any?

[sullen gull]

In the spires between the blue crater and the swamp

[sullen gull]

Oh, sloppy and electrode.

[prisma thicket]

That one well has 10 pure nodes off of it, so it'll cover a lot in the way of production if you use it.

[cyan garnet]

it's all about the combination of alts earlier in the production chain

for RCUs I ended up doing silicon circuit boards and crystal computers - allowed me to completely cut oil out of the production chain, and I already had a train supplying quartz for the silica and the crystal

[sullen gull]

@placid stirrup My planned build: #screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

Hell yeah, maximize output. Three quartz is just as big a feat as the bauxite that way haha

[cyan garnet]

using radio connection unit w/ silicon CB, silicon HSC is another option if you have caterium available

[leaden ether]

Yeah I built my bigish electronics factory somewhat early, start of phase 4 I think and only had maybe half the alt recipies. I'll probably buckle down and rebuild it.

[cyan garnet]

just leave it. make your RCU factory net-new

[split prairie]

ill try those

[placid stirrup]

Some unsolicited inspiration
#streams-and-videos message

[cyan garnet]

my starter computer factory is way off at the edge of the dune desert/canyon just chillin - I made a separate electronics factory on the cliffside of northern forest overlooking the canyon/river delta

[sullen gull]

Yeah, No sense in wasting the time sinking all the items you regain from dismantling for one.

[placid stirrup]

Yours will be exactly twice as large as that, however way you wanna cut it

[cyan garnet]

oscillators, HSCs, AI limiters, RCUs, cooling systems, supercomputers, and turbomotors spread out across multiple floors

[sullen gull]

Water and electricity!?! Blasphemous! 😏

[placid stirrup]

Wait what?! Haha

[sullen gull]

wait, where was this built?

[sullen gull]

Lol, In the beginning, where the rails are going 'through' the stream instead of above ... and the rails are electric 🤣 😏

[placid stirrup]

Ohhhh haha yeah, think of it like those Disneyland rides 😉

[sullen gull]

Nevermind, I see now.

Not too shabby though, nice work!

[placid stirrup]

The facade definitely came out way more "in your face" than we anticipated but we weren't about to do it all over again. We got used to it after a bit

[sullen gull]

This is what I had as of last night. But today i removed everything except for the glass towers to redo it: #screenshots message

And that was just for producing the rocket fuel. I still have another 106 refineries and tones of other machines to figure out 🤦‍♂️

And where I'm at now: #screenshots message

[cyan garnet]

@leaden ether #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

In 1.1 I see 😛

Nice though.

Or is that the rollup from the mod?

[cyan garnet]

Indeed. Well most of the build was 1.0, retrofitted an elevator in there later

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok

[cyan garnet]

Yeah that’s the gate from 1.1

Purely aesthetic, not driving any vehicles in here

The train stations that supply all of this are behind me in this photo

[sullen gull]

Lol, I didn't even notice any elevator. It was the roll-up that caught my eye 🤣

[elder apex]

i feel so lazy compared to your designs #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Oh, I am wanting to use them as entrances to different sections. Much cooler than the gate imo.

[cyan garnet]

The elevator is inside. I wanted it to go all the way down to the canyon floor but it wouldn’t reach. 200m not enough

[cyan garnet]

This is the most decorated thing I have in this world, and it’s unfinished. The side facing the canyon needs a lot more finishing trim

Most of my stuff is open air platforms too

[sullen gull]

I think the clipping just gave my eyes a bit of cancer 🤣 . Yet, somehow, the more you look, the more interesting and cool it gets

[elder apex]

I don't decorate at all, I have no flair for it nor patience for it, and as you can tell I am all about being modular through blueprints

[sullen gull]

Yeah, most of the stuff that is allowing me to build is like that lol.

[cyan garnet]

This cliffside spot is insane tho, all of that build and I’m only tapping two pure iron and one pure copper node and that’s it. There’s two more iron and one more copper available there along w limestone. Caterium is right there too

[sullen gull]

Lol, I so want to be able to post a gif of 'Yeah but...."

[sullen gull]

Alts are nice 🙂

[cyan garnet]

Yeah I did the entirety of that w no oil or plastic or coal

[sullen gull]

Errr.. Man I must not have paid close enough attention.. I thought the majority of electronics needed oil in some form...

[elder apex]

amazingly not

[sullen gull]

goes to do more home work.

[broken thorn]

am I the only one that dislikes multiplayer

specifically in Satisfactory, I'm fine with it in other games

[uncut verge]

elevator bug me sad

[leaden ether]

Nice 🙂

[cyan garnet]

Silicon CB, silicon HSC, crystal computer

[sullen gull]

Yeah I found them. Never sure why I always went with the recipes that utilized oil for the production of those in the past.

[cyan garnet]

That’s the default path

Early on I made a train route that supplies silica and quartz crystal from the big cave in rocky desert and used that to supply this factory along with others

[sullen gull]

Dang, have two lifts that won't 'smoosh' to a splitter for some reason. All of the rest worked fine 🤔

[solar forge]

Wiki doesn't say, do drone ports need storage containers or is that only trains?

[sullen gull]

It's nice to have a buffer, but drones do not have a lockout like trains do, so up to you.

[solar forge]

Thanks

[sullen gull]

Literally unplayable ... #screenshots message

[hoary ibex]

Could you explain in words what the heck that is lol

[sacred summit]

In summary, it was someone definitively not building on the ground 😛

[dusky relic]

Wait wait wait

I just found proof of a ||dead pioneer||???

[hoary ibex]

screenshots i guess

[sly heart]

I wonder if we'll ever get a third tier of the zapper
once you get and it's rarely useful to use it

[hoary ibex]

Never need anything BUT the zapper, why even get those lol

[sly heart]

even with stun rebar and slapping in a bunch of hits it still pales in comparison to just using that time to throw bombs at it

[hoary ibex]

I just smack em they cant even hit you if you kite

[sly heart]

fair but I'm not good with kiting at close range

[split prairie]

can u exit a hypertubes at will? or only at ends?

[dense violet]

ends

you can put short breaks in the tube though at points you think you might want off

[sacred summit]

Re-tweeting for some expert architect help 😛
Since the actual road barriers don't morph to slopes, how do you all mimic guard-rails and barricades on the sides of roads?

[cyan garnet]

very random question - anyone happen to know what font(s) are used inside the game, such as for subtitles?

[split prairie]

yeah, was doing that but was wondering if what i asked would be possible too, since sometimes u miss something and maybe would be nice to just hop off

[sacred summit]

Given you can control your speed, turn around, etc., I'm surprised they didn't have a "junction" of some sort

[rapid wren]

is the calculations on wiki correct now? and wich is the correct wiki?

i think fandom had some issues, and a lot of people dislike it

[prisma thicket]

wiki.gg is the official one

fandom likes to claim it's the "official" wiki of anything that gets added, but generally it's stuff added by fans and can be edited by anyone pretty much. I'm fairly certain the wiki.gg site is run by CSS

[rapid wren]

isn't there some chart of what each alternate costs in total room and resources

it is on fandom

but idk if it's updated

[cyan garnet]

wikigg has all the recipes for each item

[prisma thicket]

I'm not sure about room, but if you look for the item you're trying to make on the wiki, it will list the vanilla recipe plus all the alt recipes and their resource costs/how much time it takes to craft

[cyan garnet]

Fandom is out of date and not being updated. CSS can’t shut it down. Don’t use it

You can also look at what recipes you have in game. Press O to open the codex

[dense violet]

a number of things didn't migrate from fandom because it wasn't very good. For example it's very hard to get total space required because even if you look at one recipe, it might require much more space from previous recipes you use.

this is a great tool to get an overview over any combination of recipes used in a production line https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[hard ivy]

I believe the tables on the fandom wiki (usually) just used the lowest WP recipes, apart from the last one, which was being compared.

1.0 has the issue of resource conversion, because it's "cheaper" to convert for some resource rather than mine them

And I don't imagine WP comparisons for Turbofuel that include the converter are particularly useful

[abstract heron]

I think soon I’ll complete my rocket fuel power plant

Just working on debugging issues with the factory

[green fiber]

We wanted to redo the recipe analysis table for wiki.gg by not focusing as hard on the complete recipe tree, but only on the immediate steps around it

I had made a draft for that on my own wiki profile page

[latent prawn]

yeah, something i'd like to see is a brief note of which recipes are most efficient on quartz, aluminum and caterium.

[green fiber]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/User:McGalleon/Alt_Recipe_Summaries

[latent prawn]

i.e. default supercomp & turbo electric motor use the least aluminum

[green fiber]

I havent had the time to work more on this unfortunately

[latent prawn]

i've been finding that figuring all that out is the most time consuming part of planning

[green fiber]

This is an early state and there is the plan to include a table for resources / values again

An example is at the very bottom

[frozen cloud]

its been 8 months 🙃

[green fiber]

Dont blame me im working on other things

I also havent had time to work on pirate english

[frozen cloud]

im blaming the decision to remove the old one while the new one isnt ready

[green fiber]

The old one was completely redundant with 1.0

Nothing aligned anymore

[latent prawn]

without getting into the weeds of each set of recipes assessment, i'm not sure how useful the format would be for someone

[fresh wharf]

Is sastifactory available on console and is there crossplay?

[latent prawn]

plans for a console port, but not yet

[green fiber]

Theres limits to everything.
We concluded that we can provide the basis for picking an alt and outlining general strengths and also savings.

But if you want precise info, you use a calc.

We cannot list every single info on the wiki

[latent prawn]

incidentally, i've found that recipes like basic iron ingot are great mid-game when you want more ingots and the miner can't do it yet

[frozen cloud]

alloy ftw

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'm talking about as a temporary stopgap

[green fiber]

I do plan on also including what a generalist, flexible and specialist recipe is

But yeah, Basic and Alloy are generalists, so they usually have more widespread application

Limestone is almost like water

You only need it for concrete anyway

And its ridiculously abundant

[latent prawn]

or that pure iron can be used for the last 420/min on a pure node after you've built smelters for the first 780 to double the output

[frozen cloud]

oh i like that idea

[frozen cloud]

pure is bait imo
just get more iron, theres tons on the map

[latent prawn]

i've been finding that a lot of the ingot recipes are there as special case things to alloy midgame production ramps before you have great belts or miners

[green fiber]

I thoroughly believe that when people talk about "bad" or "good" alts, they should actually talk about generalists vs flexible vs specialist

Like, generalists are easy to use and have immediate benefits.

Specialists take more to them to make them work, but they do a specific thing well

[frozen cloud]

man i should really update the wiki myself

[green fiber]

You can if you want.

[frozen cloud]

ye i know
im just lazy
and its kinda daunting

i really want the old tools pictures back that show the /min

[green fiber]

You think its any easier for us?

[green fiber]

We can do that, but it will likely stop at one resource before it

[frozen cloud]

ye thats fine

[green fiber]

So it wont trace back all the way to ore

[frozen cloud]

good enough for stuff like iron ore efficiency for ingot recipes

[green fiber]

I the end, if you want efficiency from ore, you would have to stitch these together.

But at that point you might as well use tools directly

[green fiber]

Yeah that is easily done.
for now i only have the text summaries

[latent prawn]

i think the real issue i have is figuring out how to fit what i want to build in with the locally available resources

[green fiber]

Its funny how every single iron alt beats pure

But many pick pure because "lul water free"

[frozen cloud]

xD

[latent prawn]

pure isn't bad if you know how to use it

[abstract heron]

I might went overboard

[latent prawn]

just about any other alt except for basic iron substitutes a more valuable resource for a less valuable output

[frozen cloud]

well yeah cuase iron is like water xD

[green fiber]

Wate isn't free, it comes with the cost of using refineries and doing piping after all.

Basic is great, if you want you could even be funny and use basic and leached together by converting limestone to sulfur.

Or you use coal or iron and make that into sulfur

[latent prawn]

that being said, iron alloy is the new copper alloy 🙂

[sterile blade]

I don't understand how that can seem "weird"

[green fiber]

Limestone is worthless just like water. Could use basic

The bonus? you get more iron than pure

And its neat numbers

[frozen cloud]

idk i think i value limestone over iron
i put a dimensional depot on every limestone node around my starting area so i actually dont have muhc limestone left

[latent prawn]

i still am scratching my head a bit at the uses of the leached recipes. caterium gives a better yield, but just horribly unuseful, since 9/10 times your matching it with a copper node with pure

[sterile blade]

Imo, using water is always easier than using any nodes (assuming same distance), simply because I don't have that annoying "Hey, you're using 69% of a node here" notice in my mind when using water ^^

[frozen cloud]

its building efficiency, 100/min iron 110/min copper
except you need sulfuric acid refinery so its not

[latent prawn]

yeah, i mean if you just need a little more of something, go ahead and knock yourself out, but the recipes are just horribly uncompelling in general

[frozen cloud]

oh it can actually work as a sulfuric acid sink for uranium
similar to wet concrete for alu

[latent prawn]

as are the tempered ones for that matter; if you have excess coke, you may as well turn that into diamonds

[sterile blade]

Ngl, 96% of my diamonds came from oil/Coke...
That recipe is just so convenient (given my playstyle)

[frozen cloud]

isnt coke diamonds worse than oil diamonds?

but ye 100% oil diamonds

[sterile blade]

"Worse" how? 😆

[frozen cloud]

sorry coke vs oil

[latent prawn]

yeah, if you're doing something that requires a lot of dark matter crystal (ion fuel or ficsonium), the coal goes really fast for you

[frozen cloud]

oil wise

Tips

If making Diamonds from a  Crude Oil node, it is significantly less efficient to make Petroleum Diamonds - at best, you use 40 more Crude Oil/min and significantly more power for the same number of Diamonds/min.

[hard ivy]

For some reason coke diamonds take more oil than oil diamonds