satisfactory

[tiny flicker]

I feel like I wanna avoid it

[fair token]

Well it is a game if it is not relaxing you maybe give it a break?

[leaden ether]

When I get like that with games Farm sim, minecraft etc. I just put it aside for 3 to 6 months and come back later and start over. Ususaly with a major patch or content update comes out

[tiny flicker]

I will

Ima take more than 5 months off then

[junior laurel]

Time to play factorio I guess

[dawn idol]

hey im playing in mp and my friend says train is inv

nm hes dumb lol

[junior laurel]

"nm hes dumb lol" goes incredibly hard when it is said by someone with a TF2 soldier as their pfp

[peak wasp]

Today my mind percieved my phallus as metallic boiling coil.

[latent prawn]

next you know, you'll have hair sprouting from places you didn't know your body had

[worn crescent]

yes it processes all the time, but it also only renders what you're looking at

[frail sleet]

Pretty much every game ever has at least a basic "only render what is in front of camera" cull

the whole reason for later game being less performant than early, especially with megabuilds, is the constant cpu processing load which isn't related to rendering the game - but rather figuring out what happens next in the world

[worn crescent]

i was just clarifying bc i used to not know the difference LOL

[balmy star]

hey

can someone answer my question?

I'm having trouble finding my folder Saved

does anyone know about anything?

she's just not showing up, for nothing

[solid dawn]

It's definitely in your user directory. \Users\%username%\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

It's just in a directory name that should've been fixed, imho.

[balmy star]

WOW

TY SO VERY MUTCH

[leaden ether]

It's weird how it seems like they left the project code name or whatever in that and the snapshots folder under documents.

[split prairie]

im on the early game and trying to get some new coal nodes but they are absurdly far away and the roads there are wayyy too dificult to get to by tractor. dont even know if i can make a route there and back by tractor

what u usually do in these instances? theres new tech that allows this?

[oblique aspen]

build where the resources are

[frail sleet]

there are many solutions, like building at the new nodes or make paths/roads out of foundations

it's easy to connect grids via a chain of power poles, and you can also research the zipline for them (protip: building a power pole at your feet and another up a cliff and then ziplining up is one of the best ways to traverse cliffs early-midgame)

you get trains for longer range fast transportation midgame

[split prairie]

i dont have any of this tech besides foundation

i think i have only up to tier 3 things

[frail sleet]

it's a good time to go unlock it then, you get pointed to a bunch of tech unlock tools via the MAM building

you can get blade runners (huge runspeed/jump boosters) and zipline at any time

also if you really feel like it or don't want to get familiar with new tools like that soon, you can relatively simply make a belt that's just really long to move resources from A to B. Generally best not to move them further than neccesary though. Taking coal to water or iron is a good use-case.

and it's pretty easy to interconnect powergrids by just making a chain of power poles (which you definitely can build)

[indigo halo]

The number one reason to get blade runners is the ability to jump on top of conveyor splitters/mergers

[frail sleet]

again in the midgame there is a much bigger power tower that saves a lot of work there for long distances 😄 but you are not there yet

[split prairie]

this is mainly the reason im trying to get new coal nodes, cause the ones i have close by will not be enough to produce new stuff fast enough

i think i have like 2 very close and one a bit far but that one i managed to get just need to get the power there and setup the route

[frail sleet]

could you send me a picture of where you are on the map perhaps so i can advise better

[split prairie]

i couldnt even get there, it was 800m away but the road is just impassable as it seems by tractor

[frail sleet]

i am trying to figure out where "there" even is 😄

[split prairie]

coal

[frail sleet]

do resource scan and send map pic?

[split prairie]

i dont think it will show since i dont have that part of the map revealed

[frail sleet]

i know the map so i can see where you are at least and which direction it is

[split prairie]

oh it shows, i was just too zoomed in

where do i send it?

[frail sleet]

dm or screenshots channel

[split prairie]

whats that?

[frozen cloud]

long belts

[split prairie]

that one node is like 2km away, i dont think i would do that to torture myself haha

[frozen cloud]

thats nothing

my bauxite belt is 1.7km
my copper powder belt is 1.6km
2km is a lot but its perfectly doable

actually my fucking main bus is 1.6km xD

[split prairie]

if its on straight line or on foundation its quite ok to do, but on the wilds is just too many uneven surfaces and it would take probably like and hour

ill take a look tomorrow

not to mention i didnt even manage to find a way to get there by tractor

ive done some "long" belts before put theyre probably not longer than 300m or so

[frozen cloud]

you can do trucks or trains but its not really better imo
the further you get the farther you just have to go for raw resources

[split prairie]

dont have those yet, trying to get more coal so i could start making steel stuff. since the amount i had only was enough to power the coal plants

but also didnt want to choose between not making stuff for the space elevator or getting new tech. so i was trying to get about 4 coal nodes so i could do all those together

[frozen cloud]

where did you start? sounds strange that its so far

[split prairie]

first place that seemed open enough to build stuff and near some copper and iron nodes. nothing planned, its my first play. only about 20h of play

[frozen cloud]

no which starting location
grass fields?

also 4 coal nodes is a lot
dont think i ever needed more than 2
maybe just go for 1 coal for space elevator 1 for other stuff?

[split prairie]

no clue, didnt even knew that was a thing. i did notice theres different fauna when u walk farther away but that wasnt something i really bothered when i was starting the game

i didnt walk around more than 3-5 minutes

[frozen cloud]

do you have 4 normal nodes next to a lake where you made power?

if so then the 2 nodes to the south should be enough to get you pretty far

since they are pure

[split prairie]

according to the planner i would need around 3 or 4 coal plants to have enough to produce 1k of some stuff in less than 2 hours. more than that i think its just too slow to wait around doing nothing, just waiting for the material to fill the space elevator

i was considering those coal produce 60 per minute, because i can only build belt mk1, so even if they make 120 pm or more doesnt matter

[frozen cloud]

well once you get some steel going you unlock mk3 belts and mk2 miners

idk in my experience its more than fine to only use 2 nodes
and dont forget theres other space elevator parts you can automate while you wait for the steel one to finish

[split prairie]

yeah, that would help a lot in speeding things up but i dont even know if i would have enough power for it all i had planned.

ill see if i can do it tomorrow

[frozen cloud]

if its really not enough then it might be worth trying to get some alt recipes
they can increase that coal by a lot

[split prairie]

yeah i already did 1k of one, missing two others but i dont have enough power to have it all running at same time right now

[split prairie]

i have some of those, dont know if i have coal, ill check it tomorrow

[frail sleet]

You unlock the mk.2 belt before you unlock any coal/steel tech

it's double resources, critical unlock

even if all you do with it is put a 120 belt out of the miner and then split it into two 60's

and also, 2 hours for spelevator parts is pretty fine, you need to spend way more than that exploring to get a lot of stuff. You don't need to be in P3 (tier 5/6) NOW, you are probably gonna be busy in P2 for tens of hours. From what you said, you didn't even unlock the P1 tech or the side resources techs yet, so there is no rush to leave P2

[leaden ether]

SO do conveyor lifts actually work using floor holes? Used them before without going through a floor fine but while everything connects up the material wil not pass through the floor.

[boreal musk]

they work fine

[leaden ether]

Oh crud, I made a mistake with the material -.- nevermind 🙂

THanks for the confirmation though!

[rapid wyvern]

For hypertubes, Isnt there a way to get a boost? And if so, what is the part called?

[leaden turret]

[terse venture]

take the train .p

[bitter basin]

Is there any bigger storage than the Industrial Storage?

[spice patio]

No

[bitter basin]

I placed several Industrial Storage on top of each other, and connected them together to have more storage but it's still not enough to store all the rubbers and plastic.

Tips?

[terse venture]

you only should use max 2 big for storage, everything else use or let pr5oduce stop

[spice patio]

Why are you storing that much?

[terse venture]

you cannot collect everything .)

[bitter basin]

Where should I put the rubbers and stuff than?

[terse venture]

normally later you drop most auto in shredder when not use for production

and storage is ful .)

shreddershop is nice for building if you not have seen

[bitter basin]

How can I control the speed of the disposal?

[terse venture]

it shredders all you put in, no speed

[boreal musk]

usually, 1-2 container is enough, you can use smart splitter to send the overflow into sink, to keep the factory always running

[bitter basin]

I have 5 Industrial Containers filled with rubber and plastic. Should I merge all of them into 1 conveyor and lead them into the shredder?

Or should I use multiple shredders?

[boreal musk]

1 sink is usually enough, granted your belt can support the total throughput of your plastic/rubber total production

[meager smelt]

Does Anyoe know if its possible to make a four way train system, meaning 2 lines in each direction?

[boreal musk]

yes

even 6 way is possible, but its overkill

[meager smelt]

would somethng like this work for getting on and off the 4 lanes to get to a train station for example? https://imgur.com/a/2RxTxTK

[boreal musk]

u can do 3d junction instead to avoid extra block signals

and it wont interrupts the other rail

[meager smelt]

if i do it like this it will block the train on the fourth lane though. is this just the best i can do or is there an alternative

https://imgur.com/a/dN5JFMd

[boreal musk]

you can do 3d junction without clipping other rail, use 2m ramp

[meager smelt]

like this? https://imgur.com/a/ulsIV2g

[boreal musk]

pretty much, this design also made the railway doesnt look flat, and u can add some support for decoration purpose

altho if its me i will space the railway one foundation each so when adding ramp, it doesnt clip the rails on the side

[summer hemlock]

another day of browsing the satisfactory mods wishing there was one that just made path signals green by default

[green fiber]

have you tried just asking on the modding discord if someone had the idea of trying that

[summer hemlock]

I imagine if it was a simple change it would have been done by now

[oblique aspen]

Path signals have a bunch of complex rules so I imagine without knowing where a train wants to go its not really easy to know if the track is free

[craggy anchor]

I'm trying to finish phase 2 and it's funny for me that the longest part is crafting all the smart plating

[green fiber]

would it not be more assuring to ask if its possible at all then
"oh this can / cannot be done"

instead of hoping

[viscid crest]

any ideas why my fuse blows when I produce double my consumption? and all gens have fuel so this is weird

[sullen gull]

Is it going over by 100 each time by chance? Hover pack?

[viscid crest]

what exactly do you mean by going over by 100? and no I dont have a hover pack yet

[sullen gull]

Then never mind me

[viscid crest]

when I only use my power gen it says I produce 1000MW but as soon as I add even a few constructors it blows and says I only produce 5.7MW

[green fiber]

any power storages?

[viscid crest]

dont have any unlocked yet

[green fiber]

have you checked how much the constructors and other stuff even need?

the max consumption line should tell you

[viscid crest]

it says around 300MW and I produce 1128MW

[sullen gull]

So, first question, what type of power are you generating? biomass, coal, fuel?

[viscid crest]

currently using Biomass but in the process of setting up coal gen

[green fiber]

keep resetting the fuse lever a bunch of times

[sullen gull]

How many biomass generators do you currently have fueled and running?

[green fiber]

you should be able to see if anything spikes

[viscid crest]

21 up and running

and the consumption graph is flat

no real spikes

[sullen gull]

OK, so that is only 630MW. Take a screenshot of your power screen and post it in #screenshots

[viscid crest]

I made a few power shards and used them in there so it increased

[sullen gull]

Ahh

[viscid crest]

and I cant send screenshots in here but when I have only a select few constructors running it works but some just blow thefuse

[sullen gull]

You can post them in #screenshots

[meager smelt]

I want 4 lanes because i need 12 trains with 2 locomotives and 3 freight carrages wach all on small section of the map

[twilit oasis]

when i go into the water on 1.1 OBS starts to glitch out.. how is that even possible

screen just goes epileptic

[sly axle]

how do you get train signals to work

for a branch

[green fiber]

you just put signals on entrances and exits (and then along all the other tracks in regular intervals)

[hybrid crystal]

I just built my first drones, and the amount of fuel they use for short trips feels egregious

[languid lance]

can somebody help me with extracting water

[red sun]

pretty sure they get more fuel efficient the further they go

[languid lance]

https://imgur.com/a/geHGURX

I have the water extractor

a pump on a pipe going into a buffer

all has energy

[red sun]

no need for the pump unless the pipe's going up after the buffer

[languid lance]

i wasnt sure what the problem was so I made one anyway

[red sun]

what's the issue you're having?

[languid lance]

nothing is flowing

[boreal musk]

use #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533 for trouble shooting, u can post your pic here

[languid lance]

the extractor itself has a red error

[boreal musk]

did you connect your extractor with power?

[red sun]

you sure it's powered? and yeah #1038092680493801533 is probably best for this

[languid lance]

yes

[red sun]

could we see the extractor UI?

[languid lance]

never mind it wasnt powered

the line went beyond it for some reason when i connected it

[red sun]

lmao, happens to the best of us dw

i do stupid shit like that all the time

[languid lance]

is there a way to get water vertically up

[boreal musk]

always check the color, if its red, that means its not powered

[boreal musk]

use pump

[languid lance]

as in, build a water pipe vertical

not as a slope, but 90° upwards

[boreal musk]

horizontal and vertical build mode

[languid lance]

how do I switch that

[red sun]

yes, click once, look up, change the build mode if you want a different kind of curve or right angle

[boreal musk]

press R

[red sun]

press/hold R to change build mode

[languid lance]

now that is very convenient

thanks

[red sun]

you can do the same with belts and foundations/walls FYI, some of the build modes are super useful

[languid lance]

stuff goes 90° upwards when on a ceonveyer belt

?

[boreal musk]

no, you use lifts

[languid lance]

ah

are there things like simple ladders that I could attach to a wall?

[boreal musk]

u can unlock ladder from awesome shop

[red sun]

you can use stackable conveyor poles, there's ladders on the side

[viral kindle]

Hey, my blueprints seem to not load or save properly, anyone knows where i can find the directory where they should save?

[languid lance]

conveyer poles? hmm

[boreal musk]

#faq

[red sun]

and yes there's a ladder you can eventually unlock in the awesome shop

[languid lance]

I see, that'll do the trick, thanks

[wet shoal]

Costs three coupons.

Else, watchout tower is for free

[red sun]

i use stackable conveyor poles until i get basic ladders, more expensive but are available a little earlier than ladders

[languid lance]

oh thats cheap, gotta get those

[wet shoal]

Architecture section

I like to call them poor mans jetpack

[red sun]

poor man's poor man's hover pack

[feral inlet]

Is this a pebkac issue or is there some technique or something. When I go to place a foundation it will stick to portion until I find the right angle. Example: I place one foundation and it the next goes next to that one, but I want it on top its really hard to get it to go on top without finding the right angle. the tighter the space the worse this issue is and harder is to find that "right angle". Idk if this makes sense or not. I suck at explaining things.

[austere valve]

Isn't it kinda weird that sea water and lake water work the same way when used by machines?

[frail chasm]

Heyup. Using the new controller support. Previously used steam mapping to do this. Largely excellent aside from one deal breaker. ☹️. Entering text. Can't find anyway to delete default text in textboxes such as "set text here." Have tried lots of things: using firestick app (steam-firestick-steamlink), using DEL and even tried select all via ctrl a. No dice. Default text does get deleted. Could achieve this with steam controller maps previously. Anyone found a way to enter text without being sat in front of their pc with an actual keyboard?

[languid lance]

is it possible to get my tickets bag for a bad purchase

[feral inlet]

tickets are easy enough to make so I never worried about that haha

But good question ... I never thought to ask it

[azure reef]

is 40 concrete/min enough to last me a whole playthrough? just started a new file

[boreal musk]

depends on how frequent youre using them for foundation

[distant pilot]

I have to imagine the size and power draw of water extractors includes the stuff needed for desalination/filtration

[buoyant anvil]

It's actually liquid methane. There are no thermometers on Massage 2(A-B)b

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory-experimental but also known issue

[frail chasm]

That's what we m querying, Marv. Totes aware it's experimental. No workarounds yet? Can't find any

[leaden turret]

(point was you're asking in the wrong channel)

[median shell]

There's a few open QA site suggestions for reselling items to the awesome shop for reduced ticket return if you'd like to go upvote them

[tiny pivot]

I am kinda new to building massive factories and is currently in the process of mapping everything out using satisfactory modeler but I am having issues (In Full mode it just says "Stop" and a loading icon), if anyone feels like they are skilled enough in the application please DM me

[frail chasm]

Ah. I'd forgotten people no longer speak in full sentences. Thank you.

[void thorn]

Does this game runwell on steam deck?

[leaden turret]

welcome to the internet

[shrewd palm]

ive been having this problem a lot too, best i can tell is that it just doesnt like big factories

[tardy basin]

English isn't everybody first language in here as well

[leaden turret]

also english is poop.

[frail chasm]

Clearly

[tiny pivot]

The creator said that it doesn't have any limitations as long as you set it up correctly

[shrewd palm]

thats interesting

[unkempt sable]

are half walls a thing? like half foundations

[tiny pivot]

Are you talking horizontally or vertically?

[unkempt sable]

horizontally

[shrewd palm]

theres 1m and 4m walls

should be able to make anything you want with those

[unkempt sable]

i kinda dont want the walls to clip into each other

[tiny pivot]

No, use nudge to make them appear half

Well, there are probably mods for it

[unkempt blade]

I've done stuff like that before but I usually hide the clipping with a pillar because it annoys me too

[rotund sable]

Did you know dropping an ant in water allows you to tell it's gender

[shrewd palm]

structural solutions has a lot of building stuff but im not sure if they have half walls

[unkempt sable]

o

[wet shoal]

Clipping is acceptable when the parts still appear functional.

[reef basin]

clipping is acceptable when the player is fine with it

[mossy moon]

its also aceptable when you cant see it (imo)

[left totem]

indeed

at the end of the day, it's your save, your stuff, your world

[reef basin]

I'd say that also depends on the player

for example I wouldn't be fine with it

[steep wedge]

Hi, does anybody know when might 1.1 come to a stable branch?

[unkempt blade]

I am the arbiter of clipping! All who oppose my wise judgements will be launched into the sun via hypertube cannon!

more importantly though this is the ranking of vehicles in order of awesomeness

1. factory cart
2. train
3. tractor
4. drone
5. truck
6. explorer
7. cyberwagon

[split badger]

if i can find more geysers maybe i could make a power grid?

and make giant battery storage unites for when it spikes up so i have extra power to work with

[cloud salmon]

You can make a power grid and make giant power storage units with only 1 geyser or even 0 geysers

[azure reef]

anyone have a good area to lay down a shit ton of foundation to make some starter factories and put my hub and space elevator down? preferrably elevated off the ground

[leaden turret]

"the sky"

[azure reef]

i mean

yeah

but thats like a lot of effort to transport stuff

early game especially

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1363180990914232410/image.png?ex=680518ba&is=6803c73a&hm=9c4bcadc7c01b165b6f6df41ca1946892a1740540b9c6221398155a4cc7ac21a& was maybe thinking here?

but then again i dont know if a crater is big enough

[placid stirrup]

70% of the map

[reef basin]

Any place near resources will do

[azure reef]

i think i'll do the flat open area with the 3 normal iron nodes where the drop pod lands

and the big poison cloud

[placid stirrup]

There's 4 starter locations, but I'm assuming grassy plains

[azure reef]

yes

would've said that but forgot the name

[placid stirrup]

You'll be plenty fine for a while, coal is a little further away so don't be scared to venture out

There's a popular location to the north at some lakes when you get there

[azure reef]

at the shore?

that seems like a pretty good place actually now that i think of it

i can make a coal plant nearby there

[placid stirrup]

No, it's up a mountain, beyond the location you're talking about

A little bit east iirc, I don't have the map in front of me

[jagged void]

Where is LFG?

[placid stirrup]

I'll do you one better, WHY is LFG?

[azure reef]

#screenshots message this seems pretty good to me for a base location

#screenshots message or i go here and continue expanding the foundation out, can't decide. at least here i have access to pure caterium and a lot of iron and limestone

[reef basin]

Maybe #1201555265942724758 ?

[jagged void]

Found it

[cyan garnet]

when its ready. #announcements has everything we officially know

[azure reef]

do autosaves only start after 4h playtime or smth? i just realised i went 3.5h without saving

[still tapir]

anyone knows how i can lower the view model under the value of 1

[split prairie]

yeah i was kinda preparing to make them since i noticed i wasnt taking advantage of my pure nodes

[sullen gull]

Power generators, coal, fuel, etc, only consume fuel when under load right?

[nova igloo]

clips lift into assembler 😱

[split prairie]

is is possible to stuck the tractor if it got stuck on top of rock?

[lost shell]

if i have a powerplant that i dont need running to provide enough power for my factories and that powerplant is old and chaotic is it worth getting rid of it and building a better powerplant with the nodes

[white dawn]

Hm, whoever was asking about uploading saves to the QA site: yeah, uploading Somewhere Else and then putting in a link is the only way

[sudden flame]

That depends. I personally like to get rid of old things and build new ones if I find them too chaotic or inefficient. Since it's a power plant I would say it would probably be a good idea to rebuild it and make it better, since you never know when you could use that power plant to get your world up and running again if you have a nuclear power plant issue. It's also a good idea to always keep extra of the resources needed to get the power plant producing power again. (Just in case the thing mentioned before happens)

[sudden flame]

Thanks, don't know why my message was deleted, I didn't delete it. Any site you recommend? If it was to a friend I would just use google drive, but since it shares my full name, I don't like to use it for things everyone can download.

[white dawn]

Dunno; for myself I tend to just host stuff off my own website. Dropbox and mega.nz are some sites I see used for filesharing too, though I can't really vouch for any of 'em

[cyan garnet]

No, they run full time regardless of load (as long as they have fuel). Only biomass burners scale/respond to power draw

[sullen gull]

Got it, thanks.

[cyan garnet]

Once you have generators running, any biomass burners still attached to your grid will function as emergency power similar to power storages (until they run out of fuel at any rate)

This will show up on your grid chart as the difference between production and capacity

[rancid turret]

coal and fuel generators used to only consume what was needed, like biomass; problem is, this would hide anything wrong with your power setup right up until you actually pushed it hard twenty hours later

a bugged fluid pipe, a misconnected belt, you'd only notice when your power grid failed

[sullen gull]

I knew biomass gens didn't consume unless under load as I have a 'powered' hyper tube cannon blueprint that I drop and turn it off and on with a power switch. Just hadn't gotten around to testing it with other fuel types. Was also looking for an 'easier' method to putting each 'bank' of generators on standby until they were full.

[rancid turret]

biomass generators only use what's needed because biomass needs to be gathered manually, so it treats each piece of fuel as precious

so biomass generators will naturally remain on standby if you have other power sources handling your needs

[split badger]

i know but i need all the power i can get, i dont know if there is power loss from long distances or not

(I think Industrialcraft for minecraft did based on the wire you used)

[cloud salmon]

no power loss

[sullen gull]

Nope drop across distance.

[cloud salmon]

one cable can handle an infinite amount of power

[split badger]

Nice, hopefully i can get 1000+ MW going

[ashen belfry]

Nope. The power you produce is the power you can use

Stop attacking the wiki lol

[rancid turret]

it works for me

[split badger]

Someone's attacking the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit? 😟

[rancid turret]

many such cases

[cloud salmon]

they are probably gonna say it's the fandom wiki

[rancid turret]

the last revision of the main page was November

[cloud salmon]

oh lmao it's mario kart

[lime ermine]

On wiki. Gg?

[rancid turret]

amazing

[cloud salmon]

I mean this is discord

[lime ermine]

Oh lol

Mario kart

Yeah that's a problem

[heady night]

what the hell

i did NOT expect mario kart 😭 😭 😭

[leaden ether]

Was running out of reinforced plat constantly when building my iron construction product factory, now while building the steel factory I am constantly running out of steel beames -.-

And it's a long long drive back to where I have a factory making/using them for something so I can steal some

[rancid turret]

oh, a tough guy eh?

fucking idiot, wikis can protect pages so only verified/trusted accounts can edit

[white dawn]

@true mulch -- Wiki shenanigans goin' on (see links above)

[rancid turret]

as if he thinks he's the first person to vandalise a wiki

[white dawn]

It's easy enough to revert the changes but it probably doesn't make sense to do so until the user's been banned

[true mulch]

investigating wiki vandalism

banned the user, but I'll have to undo the damage

[rancid turret]

as if you're the first person to vandalise a wiki

do you know what a protected page is

[white dawn]

<@&387163995947270144> No clue if this clown is actually responsible, but: #satisfactory message

[rancid turret]

<@&387163995947270144> hey for real we got a jackass

you'll spend hours and they'll spend minutes undoing it so uh. good for you I guess

have you considered a hobby

and he's gone from my mind as fast as he entered

[true mulch]

fucking hell

[cyan garnet]

Research dimensional depot in the MAM, alien tech tree

[rancid turret]

@true mulch in one of his messages he said he intends to create alts, make constructive edits and gain trust so he can vandalise again. so uh. look out for that I guess

[white dawn]

I can't imagine someone like that has the attention span to actually follow through on a long con like that

[ashen belfry]

I said in a joke " stop attacking".
Kinda funny how that was true

[rancid turret]

poor kid is gonna look back at this when he's an adult and cringe

[white dawn]

And even if they do, it's not like revoking trust is any harder than banning a rando

[true mulch]

yeah as if "gaining trust" didn't take years

[true mulch]

thanks for the heads up though 😛

[rancid turret]

even if it took months, like, it takes one second to undo vandalism

[true mulch]

don't worry folks, the damage is fairly easy to undo and nothing is lost (wikis keep histories of everything)

[rancid turret]

this is a severe asymmetry of time invested

[white dawn]

Yeah, vandalizing a wiki is about the most pointless waste of time imaginable, in the end

"Ooh, look at me, I changed some text on a system designed to let anyone change text, and which can be reverted in seconds"

Real leet haxor there. :)

Anyway, I'm contributing to pointless offtopicness, and I've got increasingly-full partitions to clean out. :D

[true mulch]

had they at least done this on fandom...

[rancid turret]

hey can we unban him so we can tell him to go there

[true mulch]

wiki should be back to normal, thanks to the help of wiki.gg staff

[junior laurel]

Imagine having nothing better to do with your life.

Couldn't be me
spends 23 hours a day planning and building a factory
... couldn't... be me ;--;

[oblique hound]

user appears to be ip blocked, thanks ondar and alex from wikigg :)

[rancid turret]

you spend your life building something beautiful

[rancid turret]

he said he'd "use countless proxy servers to avoid IP bans"

but again, just make pages protected until he gets bored

[junior laurel]

That's adorable, what are they 12?

[white dawn]

I mean, almost certainly. Or thereabouts. :)

[golden nexus]

probably 22 going on 7

[rancid turret]

said he'd start in one hour unless his demands were met. so I guess people just gotta set a timer and come back to see what free VPN he's using or whatever

[oblique hound]

"TIMEFORPLOTTWIST I WAS THE VANDAL ITS ALL A BIG TROLL I TROLLED I VANDALIZED HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHEEEEEEEEEEMARIOKART8"

matches the discription

[rancid turret]

put the kettle on lads

[white dawn]

(Honestly this probably does not require continued discussion)

[rancid turret]

ye aight I'm gonna go back to my powdered copper nightmare

[junior laurel]

Yeah, just lock her down and carry on, like me sinning #satisfactory-experimental message

[hybrid crystal]

How much drone fuel are y'all making at endgame?

[white dawn]

Kind of depends on how much drone usage we're doing. :)

[rancid turret]

I got 200 batteries a minute and that's probably gonna be 5x what I'll need after tier 9

[white dawn]

(I'd ended w/ 120/min packaged rocket fuel plus 120/min batteries)

[golden nexus]

choo choo m***********

[junior laurel]

Personally, at this moment, zero.

[oblique hound]

im working on a build for 600 batts/min

[rancid turret]

it's nice just having so many batteries I don't gotta think about it

[junior laurel]

I do however plan to make some level of ionized fuel, because with everything else I plan on doing on this save, I hate myself 🙃

[oblique hound]

(im planning on using them for trucks also)

[rancid turret]

it's at least the only way to get rid of shards

[junior laurel]

I just eat them normally

[rancid turret]

I'm gonna make a very small ionised fuel line attached to my yuge rocket fuel line (which I may double from 700/min to 1400/min) to make me packaged rocket fuel and power shards

[hybrid crystal]

I'm thinking of using Nitro Rocket Fuel to make a rocket fuel plant for drone fuel

Batteries look like a bit of a pain

[white dawn]

On the other hand, you need aluminum anyway to package the rocket fuel, and batteries are just like one extra step after that. :D

[rancid turret]

nitro rocket fuel is very space efficient but not very resource efficient

[rancid turret]

also yeah that

[white dawn]

(But I do get it -- Nitro Rocket Fuel is a very straightforward production chain)

[hybrid crystal]

I happen to have built a bunch of extra Casings into the factory I just finished, so I figure I can siphon some of the ingots that go there and use that for packaging

[rancid turret]

my turbo blend fuel / rocket fuel setup was very satisfying to make

[oblique hound]

plus batteries become really easy if you have classic battery
otherwise you have to deal with alumina and casings along with the water byproduct

also classic is just way more efficient

[rancid turret]

batteries are made with aluminium (with coal or oil), sulphur and water; classic adds in oil and iron/copper

if you don't have oil nearby or handy, default batteries are useful

[modest solstice]

bad idea of the day: you should be able to put a valve on the end of a pipeline and dump pollutants into the ocean

aesthetics + an easier way for getting rid of fluid byproducts

[rancid turret]

that sure is a bad idea you ain't wrong

[hybrid crystal]

It's thematically appropriate, though

[rancid turret]

FICSIT does not waste

[oblique hound]

good point, depends on what you have available really

in my experience the use of a bit of oil and caterium (caterium wire) is outweighed by the much smaller aluminum and sulphur cost

[modest solstice]

we're "acclimating the wildlife"

[hybrid crystal]

Fair. Especially with 1.0 Ficsonium

[modest solstice]

that's why i thought of it (also the other way to get rid of water is just sinking wet concrete so)

[rancid turret]

ye they both got uses

[modest solstice]

maybe even make the vent and fan buildables connect to a gas pipe, hm? though i'm not sure there are any gas byproducts

[oblique hound]

(not that you would want to be releasing into the air anyway)

oops, just released DMR into my lizard doggo enclosure, guess they are soup now

[modest solstice]

yeah that's what i meant

[dense owl]

i have a question

[modest solstice]

rip lizard doggos

[modest solstice]

don't ask to ask, just ask :)

[dense owl]

can the awsome sink take resin?

[oblique hound]

yes

[modest solstice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink yes, 12 points

[dense owl]

yay

[modest solstice]

i wonder how they chose all the points values

they're so random and arbitrary lol

[green fiber]

for most ores, it is arbitrary

but for every product:
you take the sum of all the points of every part you put in, multiply it by 2 and then divide by the number of items that come out

So its just 2 x Input Points / Output Item amount

[modest solstice]

...they're all even. Yeah I probably should have figured that out

[rancid turret]

so every product ends up double the value of the input

more steps, more doubling

[white dawn]

Note that that calculation's done with the vanilla recipe; using alts can change the ratios involved

The wiki lists some outliers; there's some recipes which give you a lot more sink points compared to the inputs, for instance

[split prairie]

how long does a truck have to wait on a station for it to be fully loaded/unloaded?

[white dawn]

Stations will load/unload a 2 stacks per second

[split prairie]

u mean two full stacks? like if its coal it would be 2 stacks of 100 = 200?

[white dawn]

You can adjust the time the vehicle spends at the station by editing the pause node; if you know how full the vehicle "should" be, you can tweak it to the specific route

[white dawn]

Correct

So for a tractor, I think it's like 12.5 seconds to fully load/unload

(Also, I haven't actually timed it out, but I think the load/unload technically starts before the vehicle even actually reaches the pause node; I suspect that you could chop off a few seconds on the pause node and still get the throughput you want)

[split prairie]

if its like u said it would be 24 secs, since theres 4x6 "2 stacks"

[white dawn]

Tractor has 25 stacks. :)

[split prairie]

oh yeah, forgot station has more space than the tractor

[split prairie]

thats correct 12.5 secs to empty a tractor but 25 secs (2 tractors) to fully load/unload a station

how do u put halfs in the game? 12,5 or 12.5?

[white dawn]

I've always used 12.5 since that's the default in my localization; not sure if the game supports using , as well (or if it depends on localization being used)

[elder apex]

most of the input fields support math so you could probably do 25/2

[tranquil maple]

how bad is it if a pumps head lift "increases beyond reccomended level"

[white dawn]

It means that you probably need another pump further up

[tranquil maple]

k

[white dawn]

In general I recommend putting the pumps sort of "comfortably" within the headlift space; putting them as close to the headlift limit as possible can sometimes put you outside the fully-reliable range

So like a few meters lower than you might technically need to

[split prairie]

do u know if i can "fix" a section of a route? i took a bad pathing on a small section and wanted to move it a bit to the left, same way i came back when i was returning

[lost shell]

I found a blueprint that has a water extractor in however the water extractor isnt in water is this still possible if so how

[white dawn]

In the vanilla game, the best you can do is delete nodes, which is often Good Enough, depending on how you recovered. I've definitely recovered a route-recording after taking a wrong turn by just making sure I turn around and then "merge in" to the correct path, and then delete the invalid turn nodes afterwards

But there's no way in the game itself to actually move any of the recording nodes. There may be mods to help with that

[white dawn]

There's shenanigans you can do for that kind of thing; I think they generally require mods to do that, but there may be some tricks ingame too

[lost shell]

do you know of the shenanigain

[unkempt blade]

I'd add to ^^^ that I also usually go intentionally slow/careful on the record route and remove any pause nodes that get added along the way

[white dawn]

No clue, no, sorry. Never been interested enough to find out. :)

[lost shell]

i have access to water i just cba with pipes because they are really ugly

[white dawn]

Yeah, if you do see any blue pause nodes on your path, remove 'em.

There's a current bug where if a game is saved with a vehicle on a blue pause node, and you load that save, the vehicle gets stuck there forever until you manually intervene

[white dawn]

You can make pipes look good with practice. :)

Also: just build the water-needing stuff right next to / on top of the water

Moving solids to where the liquids are is always easier than the other way around

[leaden ether]

Yeah it would be a great QoL addition to be able to move placed objects and keep things attached. Like move a splitter or combiner or an electrical pole or whatever and leave everything attached (within reason)

[white dawn]

(I understand that there are cases where you need more than one fluid in the same place. :)

[split prairie]

i tried putting a number higher than 1000 and the game corrects it to 1,000. so the "," is for thousands and "." for decimals

[split prairie]

in this instance wasnt possible since i ran over a little hill so no way back unless i made a full 360

[split prairie]

oh, didnt knew there were mods. where do i find them?

[white dawn]

I don't have links onhand, but the modding discord is linked to in #welcome , and I assume a search for "satisfactory mods" will get you to the main site

[split prairie]

are distances and vehicle speed in the game like in the real world?

if not how to calculate wait time in routes accounting for the trip time?

[white dawn]

The game's units are in meters, and vehicle speed reported in km/hr, though it's a bit difficult to get a good sense of that kind of scale while playing, IMO

If you want to know the round-trip time of a vehicle route, the best way is to just time it

If you mean how to adjust the pause-node timing, I generally just set 'em to the max time that'd be needed for a full vehicle load, even if that's a few seconds "too much." An extra few seconds is very unlikely to matter to throughput

If you did want to adjust the pause nodes to the exact amount of material a vehicle will likely have, the easiest way is to just open up the vehicle's storage bin as it approaches the station after doing a full run, and then math it by how many stacks there are in there

[split prairie]

that part i know how many seconds it takes, i was just wanting to offset the amount its loaded while the tractor is doing the route. it can be some minutes (on mk1 belts) difference if the distance/speed units work like the real world

i dont think they are real world like since by checking chatgpt the amount of time doesnt match

[white dawn]

Heh, ChatGPT is an awful arbiter of truth. It doesn't know anything. Trust anything coming out of an LLM at your own peril

What exactly are you trying to "offset," btw?

If you push 60/min of something into a remote Truck Station, you'll get 60/min out when it's delivered to the local one (so long as you don't run into throughput limits of the specific route, of course)

It'll be delivered in bursts, of course. I do also recommend having some buffering on the receiving side (like, an ISC or something before you process it)

[split prairie]

im not asking anything scholarly, its simple math i just dont want to go to the trouble of converting unit measures and doing multiple calcs and checking it all

if i say the inputs, the units, and explain whats happening it will get it unless u didnt explain properly (theres some minor errors but thats easy to catch)

[fiery glacier]

How does the Satisfactory calculator Planner thingy work I dont understand it

[white dawn]

ChatGPT does not know how to do math properly, though

Seriously, don't trust it

It's good at sounding authoritative, and is right purely by chance often enough that it lulls you into a sense of security, but it's bullshit all the way down, and it'll let you down eventually

[split prairie]

its cause just taking that into account it would take 40-42 minutes to load it all, but it the unit measures are real world i (but it seems like not) the trip would take 14 minutes (way and back - but clearly it doesnt) so when it would be back it would only need to wait about 25 minutes to always a station filled enough to fill one tractor

[white dawn]

There's no reason to try and time things so that you completely fill a tractor

Just let the tractor go back+forth at its regular speed. No, each individual load won't be "full," but who cares?

[split prairie]

tbh i dont see any difference from a simple calculator, maybe u dont know how to work it but i never encountered any major problem even with college calc, financial economy etc

[white dawn]

Because it's a language model, not a mathematical model. If you want a calculator, use a calculator

It gets math right reasonably often because its sources have, in general, gotten it right.

But it does not understand anything about the actual operations at play

[split prairie]

i mean if u dont like, its ok, its a perfectly good tool at solving problems, math included

[white dawn]

I mean, go ahead and trust it if you want, but it's going to give you garbage sometimes and if you're not onguard you're not gonna notice it

Back to the matter at hand, though: don't bother tying to fill up a tractor

[split prairie]

same as with any other tool, if u dont know what to input, it will output something. if you dont know what it is, you can trust its correct

[white dawn]

Just have it pick up what material is there, deliver it, and then go back for more

You don't need a 100%-full vehicle for it to do its job (and in fact trying to fill it up entirely is likely to be more fragile, because you have no headroom for minor variations in round-trip times)

[white dawn]

That's the thing with LLMs, though: even if your input is perfect, the result you get can easily be bullshit

Because it doesn't know anything

[lost shell]

Are there any alt recipes for compacted coal

[white dawn]

All it knows is that on average this word comes after this word, from its training set

[split prairie]

same as any other program. "AI" is nothing more than a super big computer, theres nothing smart about it, its just fast at gathering info. the programming on it is the same as any other programming you can do on any other thing, its just 10000x faster at doing it

its not worse than any other thing we could encounter that could provide the same thing

[lost shell]

mostly cuz i cba with sulphur

[white dawn]

For doing math, an LLM is manifestly worse than a calculator

Because with a calculator you can trust your outputs, so long as your inputs are sensible

With an LLM you are at the whims of the text which the LLM has been trained on

But we're continuing to be offtopic, and I suspect neither of us is going to budge, so I suppose I'll shut up about it. :)

[reef basin]

the programming for "AI" is vastly different from normal software

[leaden turret]

more #off-topic-tech for illustrating to [redacted because #rules] about LLMs

[split prairie]

i keep forgetting nodes are infinite, but i was mostly worried that tractors were doing trips of too few materials. cause i was not doing any calcs just putting like 5 minutes wait or so on everything, but for some stuff that is produced slower its likely to be delivering less than 100 each trip

[white dawn]

Yeah, I never put pause nodes any longer than it'd take to fully load/unload the vehicle

If there's "headroom" in the vehicle space, then the delivery buffers will iron out any variations in round-trip time

Like if a vehicle runs into a mob, or another vehicle, and gets tangled up for a little bit on that

If you're running right at the vehicle's max capacity, a small variation like that could end up with a shortfall at the delivery site

(though it'd potentially take a little while to show up, if you had proper buffering on the receiving end)

If there's headroom on the vehicle's storage, though, then the next delivery of the vehicle will just have that much more material, and everything evens out

[split prairie]

i never disagreed to that, just the part that u assume that its prone to wrong answers, just because its an LLM not because the user is not using it properly

you can easily compare to a financial/scientific calc, not everyone knows how to work it but everyone can read whats written on the buttons and can "talk" and "command" it. but whatever comes out is all on the user, you can get a wrong answer thinking its correct because you made the wrong inputs, same as on GPT. i know its not specialized in math like calculator but i can solve these problems just fine

[worldly pelican]

Lets stop that AI / LLM discussion in this channel 🙂

[leaden turret]

XKCD-386 walls of text is for #off-topic-tech

[strong lynx]

hmm, i'm not sure which channel this question would belong in, but does anyone have any tips on making a central storage for items needed for expansion or building?

i've just reached the aluminum tier, and trying to wrap my head around trains
basically i just want to have one or a few train stations bring in material from spread out modular factories, then be pushed into a sorting line, and then into 2 stacked industrial containers, then overflow goes to a sink
just basics, iron plates and rods, concrete, wires, ammo
i think i keep getting a mental block on it because like, i can't think of how i'd place the belts and stations to keep items flowing in, is it something i could do with just mk4 belts or should i wait for 5?

[split prairie]

i dont think i have that problem yet, i did have for a bit because i was doing a wait time of like 600 secs on a coal unload that only had one tractor back then, but i fixed that by changing it to 15 secs (now 12.5 s)

i think i never ran into that problem because i was making the tractors wait a long time in the load station but smaller times like 30 secs or less in the unload. and so far i never put more than 1 tractor in the same station

[slate magnet]

if can be done with trains and smart splitters, but cental storage isn't needed anymore as you can "upload" everything you want

[white dawn]

It's a bigger logistical challenge than most people realize, to be sure. Keep in mind that with Dimensional Depots, you really don't need a Central Storage. (Arguably you never needed a central storage, of course, but nowadays it's got even less of a niche)

You can do sushi deliveries and sort things out that way; just make sure you've got plenty of buffering -- an ISC after every item-sort should do

[slate magnet]

I mean it's not that bad, you just have to be smart about it lol. Easiest central storage is with drones. Use some oil you don't use (for fuel) and make a storage there. Drones can carry excess

[white dawn]

Even with drones, the logistics involved in getting things into their appropriate bins without apocalyptic-level spaghetti requires both more room and more planning than most people realize, IMO

[split prairie]

i think the reason i went on this whole thing is cause i noticed it would take like 30+ minutes for the station (if almost empty) to refill a full tractor. so as time went by most deliveries would be of about 300 each trip (if i wanted to wait less time, like 3-5 minutes) and i dont know if thats enough to keep up production of 100 silica/min as i had planned for this

[strong lynx]

yeah ik that, i'd just like to have the things i use a ton of in one spot, especially for progressing tiers

[white dawn]

It's more the specifics of routing things inside the storage area which is a lot "bigger"

[slate magnet]

well drones are the easiest way. And you'll unlock them soon

also recommending drones is against everything I believe in

[strong lynx]

fair lol, tbh i should get on turbo fuel production for that

[slate magnet]

just go one step further and get to rocket fuel? It's simple and you can unlock it soon as well

[strong lynx]

oh fair

tbh i want to use trains but, maybe i'll hold off until another playthrough

[slate magnet]

trains are super easy to set up, I say go for it

[strong lynx]

since i feel like i need to design my main area around eventually routing them in from the start

i could jsut have

one station with a few freight platforms

and use the signals to make it so every train on the line uses that one
the contants will be an unorganized mess

but i can route it into some smart splitters and eventually it should sort itself out

[slate magnet]

just use both outputs on freight stations to empty them faster

[strong lynx]

I mean fair but I'll most likely be feeding them onto one line, so it'll kind of be bottled in that for how fast I have that one line running

Plus I can just skip doing the dimensional depos at the central storage and instead just put them on the production lines to fill up first and then the overflow goes to my place

now I'm thinking with trains

[loud nexus]

@deep field its in later tiers that you unlock the the things you need

[chrome coral]

why are my power towers not reaching any further then the power poles?

[green fiber]

are you connecting their top connection points?

the bottom ones dont have further reach

yeah im (g)on(na) break (your kneecaps and your factories)

[grizzled lotus]

woo hoo! I jumped and reached coal island!

[languid lance]

How do I find out whether I need a water pump or not?

[ocean frost]

Water won't reach where you need it to go you can use the 4m foundations as a guide

Buildings can pump up 10 m

Pumps should have an indicator on how far they will pump

[languid lance]

I mean rather once the pipes are built

is there anything that I can use to see whether its enough

[molten quail]

ok im new to satisfactory and just finished phase 1 of space elevator but it took forever, is there a better way to manage making stuff without manually putting it in the smelter/constructors (without making extra). My current system rn is i put say 200 copper in a storage box feeding into a constructor to get wire, then once its done i will grab the wire and place it back into the box then change to cable, is there a more effective way of doing this using automation?

[languid lance]

when a pump is built, it doesn't indicate till which segment it is pumping successfully

[ocean frost]

Just turn on the pump and see

Well take a guess or use the 1m foundations to measure

Or just put a pump on the pipe you already know you need one

[languid lance]

you might not understand my issue

its about a visual cue to tell me whether the pump is sufficient to pump all the way up

there is none, is there?

If you take a look at this here:
https://imgur.com/a/9Tvi9of

[ocean frost]

The pump that you attach to a pipe has one

[languid lance]

there's a steep slope down right after a roughly horizontal part with a pump behind, the pump is hidden behind the rock, the pump pumps towards me in that image

[ocean frost]

Select the pump in build mode

[fathom ore]

You can have a belt connected directly from the output of one constructor into the input of another (one set to wire and one set to cable). same with other machines

[languid lance]

my issue with that specific situation is:
the segmet right behind the slope/curve that goes down is sufficiently high in flow rate

but right after it is low

is that on purpose?

[molten quail]

would it be more effective to build a system to fabricate the cable i need?

[split prairie]

how do u usually make storage for items that are on the middle of a production but u need them to milestones?

example, i want to make versatile framework for the space elevator but i also want the modular frames and the steel beams to make other stuff

do u have a entirely separate production for each of these or do u make a slower side production near the versatile framework to store modular frames and the steel beams since the use the same materials?

[ocean frost]

It's hard to tell but fluids flow down better than they flow up

[languid lance]

ok so it takes that into consideratio

[ocean frost]

Fluids flow down naturally but need to be pumped up

[languid lance]

I'm now considering building a foundation roughly 30 meters up in the sky at least 1000 tiles and then build 1 container for every single thing that can be crafted, then set up one after the other

[deep field]

Oh
Ok

[languid lance]

whether that is a good idea or not, i dont know

[split prairie]

wont u like run low on ores throughput if youre splitting so much between them to make all products?

[languid lance]

I didn't think about that

but ultimately I can overclock with the snails

and get stuff further away as well

[thorny valley]

I have been hard drive hunting for hours

imma go crazy

all i need is diluted fuel recipe

[grizzled lotus]

yes. connect the constructor (wire) to a constructor (cable)

for storage, what I usually do is after constructor (wire) I put a splitter that splits into 3 paths. one path goes into storage, the other 2 paths go into a merger and then into constructor (cable)

that way you get cable but you also store 1/3rd of your wires as storage for when you need them

automate as much as you can

[ocean frost]

Just keep banking up the recipes

[grizzled lotus]

I just realized that for "coal island" in the forest biome you don't really need the blade runners to make the jump, you can just build a belt and walk on it

[cold fable]

Anyone else lazy when it comes to space elevator parts and just chuck raw materials into storage containers manually then go afk for 8 hours?

Rather then actually bring in the materials automatically with trains or trucks?

[reef basin]

putting things in containers is normal, but going afk I would not recommend

[cold fable]

By afk. I mean go to bed because sleep is important XD

[reef basin]

yeah but save the game and shit it down 🙂

[cold fable]

Fair enough.

[dreamy island]

How do I enable controller? Just got the game on steam and nothing is happening? I can’t see where to switch from kb mouse to controller in options

[grizzled lotus]

I don't understand lizard doggo. I've befriended one and it never brought me anything. Am I suppose to give it something?

[placid stirrup]

kinda harsh, greeny

[cold fable]

I run the game on average 60 fps, low settings in 1080p on a good day. So it really doesn't matter to me XD

[oblique hound]

are you on experimental?
controller suuport is only on that branch at the moment

[red sun]

yeah currently only available on the experimental branch. if you've not opted into that then you'll be on the stable 1.0 branch which doesn't have controller support

[severe shuttle]

Just started my first Encased Uranium Cell factory 🥳
#screenshots message

[lime ermine]

Just keep checking in on him

[chrome coral]

@azure cedar is that a divine beast :0

[karmic berry]

Well doing these things would still take the same amount of time, atleast going to sleep saves you time on waiting for these parts to deliver

[reef basin]

the point is that SF is not an idle game, so if you feel the need to AFK for hours to achieve something, you're probably doing it wrong and should instead do something to make use of your time 🤷

[karmic berry]

you automate factories so you dont have to make the parts, making them in the BACKGROUND which if im not mistaken is the point of an idle game

[reef basin]

you make them run in the background while you do something else

[karmic berry]

that something else can range from going to sleep or doing something in the actual game

[reef basin]

no I meant in the actual game

[karmic berry]

which is what that other guy was pointing out

[hasty frigate]

there is no 'wrong'. Only less ideal to YOU

[karmic berry]

You play Satisfactory how you want, thats how the devs made the game

[dawn idol]

for train signals its block signal at end and other one for start?

or other way around?

[reef basin]

99% of tracks can work fine with just block signals

[dawn idol]

for exits?

[reef basin]

everywhere

[dawn idol]

its saying no exit signal 🤔

[reef basin]

give it an exit signal then 🙂

[dawn idol]

HOW

[reef basin]

put a signal somewhere after the signal that's giving the error

[azure cedar]

it's a lil guy called an earthmover

[chrome coral]

ah

https://tenor.com/view/hyrule-warriors-age-of-calamity-hyrule-warriors-the-legend-of-zelda-legend-of-zelda-divine-beast-vah-naboris-gif-19012988

[chrome coral]

^ this is what I was thinking it was lol

[oblique hound]

do pumps still give headlift if nothing is on the input side of them? or does there need to be fluid flowing through the pump to provide that

[dawn idol]

bro why is this not workingggg

pain xD

[zenith pecan]

LOL what the hell, theres an achievement for getting run over by a truck!

[oblique hound]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356073847404630020/1363297233910497472/image.png?ex=680584fd&is=6804337d&hm=8099d2eb5b4b4efa7db8931ef81019892e241a149e5a2d335332d3def05ed5a3&

(if i built this for instance with nothing connecting to the backside of the pump, would it still give the system head lift?)

[dawn idol]

its saying it loops on itself?

[oblique hound]

(300 m³ in those pipes btw)

[true mulch]

#1038092680493801533
that usually means your tracks are too close to each other, and it cannot split them into blocks

[dawn idol]

ok Ithink I got it, still kinda gank XD its been so long since I fked with trains

hmmm blueprints for going downward for foundations of rails seem to not like lOL

thats sad

curving downwards does not seem to work but upwards does

anyone know how to fix that issue?

does it only work upward??

[young basalt]

how do you turn the Ficsit Factory Cart (TM)'s warning light on?

[dawn idol]

OH THATS SCUFFED

that sucks but ill deal lol

[rapid wyvern]

How often should you place a pump between piping?

[reef basin]

when you run out of headlift

[rapid wyvern]

And what is headlift?

[reef basin]

headlift says how high up can fluid go

[rapid wyvern]

What if you’re on even ground?

[reef basin]

then you don't need pumps

[rapid wyvern]

Or going downhill?

[reef basin]

same

[rapid wyvern]

Thank you!

[rapid wyvern]

Does having pumps on even ground speed up the flow rate?

[reef basin]

no

[rapid wyvern]

Oh okay, thanks

[frail sleet]

Pumps don't push liquids in a certain direction. They're valves (fluid can pass through them in one direction but not the other, but no direct downstream effect) which also consume power to add headlift.

and headlift is a property of the pipe which determines where liquid is allowed to flow (and maybe be generated), but doesn't otherwise influence directionality

[zenith pecan]

I swear the blueprint designer can be proper wonky.

[cold fable]

Just completed phase 3 and the second hard drive i scanned gave me the sloppy alumina recipe. I'm so glad I didn't need to spend 5 hours scanning harddrives to get it.

[austere valve]

Don't exaggerate, 4 hours would be enough

[azure reef]

i genuinely don’t understand how a belt highway is supposed to work

like i want to have a storage area next to my hub but i don’t know how to transport without making a mess

also played for like 10 hours today!

i just need to make a coal plant asap, i’m fed up running around collecting wood every 30 mins

also whats the best area to make your first coal plant if you started at grassy plains? (best as in easy to access, lots of open space to expand and plenty coal e.g)

i was thinking the western shore might be great since i had issues expanding with the lake to the east of it

[twilit gulch]

There’s a lake up north with a bunch of coal next to it

[azure reef]

screenshot?

[twilit gulch]

Well I’m on my phone

[azure reef]

i made a second one in my old file (2700mw) in the eastern part of the map

[hybrid crystal]

#screenshots message

Coordinates -829, 1525

[azure reef]

yeah thats the lake i was on about

[leaden ether]

Yeah the wildlife at that lake is brutal. I just build a larger coal plant to the north, there are three pure coal nodes by some lakes. The area was too pretty to mess up though so I build three belts to take it down to the desert below. Enough coal to make a 36 generator plant

[azure reef]

i didnt have much space to expand, but to be fair i didnt really even attempt going vertical

[hybrid crystal]

I did my first coal power at 175, 2806, and built nobs there too

#screenshots message

[twilit gulch]

Water?

[hybrid crystal]

The tiny lake there

[azure reef]

anyone have any suggestions

[hybrid crystal]

You can fit 2 extractors

[hybrid crystal]

[twilit gulch]

Damn respect

[twilit gulch]

Thats later in the game

For now just do a belt highway

Or tractors if you’re feeling quirky

[azure reef]

#screenshots message

tractors seem like a pain in the ass

[twilit gulch]

They are

But they also look hella cool

[azure reef]

also i got to phase 4 in my old file without any vehicles or belt highways

kinda just made a ton of hypertube launchers and moved shit manually

[twilit gulch]

Not satisfactory

[azure reef]

so i literally have no idea how to make a belt highway or how tf they work

[twilit gulch]

You put down a foundation

And a belt on top

Done

[azure reef]

won’t that end up messy asf

[shrewd palm]

nope

[twilit gulch]

It’s on foundations

[austere valve]

Smart Splitters can be configured to make a filter of items to split

[leaden ether]

There is that double level lake inthe grassy fields area itself with 4 coal nodes, you can make an 900 MW plant there easy.

[shrewd palm]

it'll snap and you can use straight build mode to get it even cleaner

[azure reef]

i see people that have like 20 different belts with different materials running on the same highway

[twilit gulch]

Yeah

[lime mural]

try to build the belt high way with the understanding that it may need more lanes in the future

[hybrid crystal]

If it were me, I'd just put my hub in a spot where everything I need is within a reasonable distance

[azure reef]

too much effort

[shrewd palm]

they're just taking resources from different spots and taking them all to the same spot

belt highways are best way to do that unless its far enough away for trains

[azure reef]

i have like some crazy big foundation high off the ground where the triple iron nodes are in grassy plains

#screenshots message

this was before plopping down 2 pretty big factories on top

[twilit gulch]

Bruh

[azure reef]

made a big starter factory that makes wire, cable, sheets, iron plates, iron rods and screws

and then a seperate one for 10 reinforced plates/min

[lament niche]

there is, it's a blue thing when building the pipe

[azure reef]

still need to sort out the power and input for reinforced plate factory though

i wanna at least get that running before i make my coal plant

fuck its 3am man

i stopped playing my old save file when i finished planning my nuclear power plant

wanted to start fresh after messing everything up

that world was a mess

[azure reef]

#screenshots message

decided it was too complicated and took a long break

[twilit gulch]

😭

[azure reef]

that shit made me make a fucking ms paint diagram

[twilit gulch]

Perseverance is key pioneer

[azure reef]

also just had a quick peek on satisfactory tools and realised just how long that power plant would take me

especially with alt recipes

#screenshots message like what the fuck even is this

1000 caterium my ass

[zenith pecan]

Looks like a nuclear plan.

[azure reef]

also how tf do you expect me to transport 1125 quickwire into 15 manufacturers

[hybrid crystal]

with two or more belts

[azure reef]

how am i supposed to fit allat within under 50% of the map

[zenith pecan]

Don't, transport the ingots instead and make the quickwire right next to said manufacturers.

[azure reef]

see i dont think of that

i just kinda

i dont even know

i also definitely wasnt the best at organising

especially pipes and belts

#screenshots message

is there a reason theres no image perms here it just makes this server much more painful to use

[twilit gulch]

Order and peace is assume

[twilit gulch]

The hell is this messy ass manifold

[untold junco]

Anyone wanna play with me im bored and not good and i want to get far

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[thorny valley]

#screenshots message
Can someone help me with this one

[twilit gulch]

Start with the generators that are struggling

[frail sleet]

Use fewer uneven junctions (e.g. sending 50 one way, and 550 another) and/or stay further below the pipe capacity.

Uneven junctions cause backflow which reduces the effective flow rate cap of the pipe. Splitting evenly (like a 600 into 300+300) does not have a problem.

To stay further below pipe capacity, merge fewer things into the pipe OR split it before the uneven junctions.

see e.g. #math-and-meta message

[thorny valley]

Its different ones each time

[twilit gulch]

Ok then

[twilit gulch]

This

[thorny valley]

I am sending the same amount each way, all are at the same clock speed

[frail sleet]

You're not sending the same amount out of each junction exit.

You have them connected in a manifold, which uses uneven splits and overflowing to function.

[twilit gulch]

Ok I’m confused on what you’re suggesting

[frail sleet]

#math-and-meta this requires pics 😛

[thorny valley]

Also I figured it out, I had a packaged fuel setup going and that was sucking all the fuel up

[frail sleet]

Ez fix enjoy 😄

[lament niche]

how long has u10 been on the experimental branch?

[latent prawn]

about 3 weeks now

[lament niche]

should be releasing in a couple weeks then right?

[latent prawn]

if your asking about how solid it is, it is pretty solid

[thorny valley]

No they have said we will see 1.1 around September iirc

[latent prawn]

no idea when they're targetting full release, but i'd imagine before the summer holiday

[thorny valley]

They mentioned it in their most recent video

[lament niche]

so... before july 4th?

[latent prawn]

ahh, well, that answers that

anyway, the release is feeling rather complete with some rough edges surrounding blueprint autoconnect

[thorny valley]

I havnt played 1.1 yet

Just got into satisfactory like a month or two ago

so the game is still new to me

[latent prawn]

there's no new content at all, just building enhancements

probably the most significant thing i've found in it is under-mentioned in all the videos... trains are a whole lot nicer to build

[lament niche]

i mean, those are new structures, which is content

[placid stirrup]

freight stations crash the game on dedicated servers so I'd hold off if that's the case for you

[latent prawn]

yeah, really i don't count decorative wall fans as new content, lol

i guess new beam styles too

[thorny valley]

Experimental branches arnt my thing, id rather just play full release

[latent prawn]

i've been kicking around the train enhancements for most of the day and they're really nice

stations can be built in a much more compact fashion

[lament niche]

hypertube branches/splits...

new mergers...

[latent prawn]

in any event, you're not missing any content by sticking with stable

[lament niche]

hello? priority mergers

[latent prawn]

yeah, there's a few new goodies, they're hardly game changing though

[lament niche]

priority mergers are game changers

[latent prawn]

not really

[leaden ether]

Am I correct in thinking that you want to update the DD upload speed over the storage size? Since likely you have the DD uploader backed by storage already?

[lament niche]

you must not sushi

[latent prawn]

they solve a few challenges, but you never really needed them

[lament niche]

it's a sandbox. you never really need to do anything

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'm just saying that i can count on one hand the number of use cases where a priority merger was something i really needed

[lament niche]

for people who sushi everything it's a game changer

[latent prawn]

not really

[lament niche]

yes really. much easier to ratio things now

[latent prawn]

ehh, i guess if exact ratio sushi is your thing

i'm of the school of thought of 'toss at least as much of each item needed on the belt' and let the sink eat the rest

[leaden sage]

What's up with the creepy dude yelling off in the distance like they are in some church in the Dune desert?

[minor jay]

just got a weird bug where i was trying to search my dimensional depot and it was doing the typing inputs and also the normal keybinds as if i wasnt in that menu

idk if anyone else has got that but yea strange

just fixed itself. huh strange

[rapid wyvern]

How do you get an output multiplier?

[leaden sage]

sommersloops

[lime ermine]

What?

[leaden sage]

Have you been to the dune desert? If you listen carefully sounds like a dude yelling in the far distance

[wet shoal]

You can get it as soon as you progressed a bit into the caterium tree and also have steel and sam in your hands.

[lime ermine]

I have my base there and have never noticed it, I'll have to listen over the sounds of my machines, trains, trucks, and alien power augmenter

[wet shoal]

-# what is your name?
what?
-# Whats your name?
Ezikiel
-# F*UCK YOU EZIKIEL!

[leaden sage]

lol

[cloud halo]

I like trains

they consume like 40MW on average and drive at 120km/h

[frail sleet]

mk6 belt consumes 0mw and drives at 87km/h 🤣

they also load/unload without stopping

but yes trains are GOAT midgame

[hidden sparrow]

Havnt used a drone train or truck ever in my entire playthrough

Belts belts only belts

[frail sleet]

The biggest QOL from 1.1 will be blueprintable autoconnecting belt / pipe highways

like you can just stack 20 belts in a blueprint and they will autoconnect, so you dont have to connect your 20 belts to your 20 other belts one-by-one thirty times.

[hidden sparrow]

Can they autoconnect power poles ?

[frail sleet]

don't think so but they are not as big a bother

[rapid wyvern]

I opened the command bar, and I’m concerned if I messed anything up

What is the purpose of that bar?

[frail sleet]

there's a few, one is for console commands like you can type r.fog 0 to disable fog

and the other is a calculator etc (toggled by N i believe)

if you didnt type a specific command then it's fine dw

[dawn idol]

YOOOO satifactory+ CAME OUT WOOO

I have been waiting since I found it right before 1.0 came out

[dawn idol]

oh shit I missed that

time to suffer and play satifactory+ XD

from what I have found tho, its sad how few mod reworks there are 😭

*game reworks

[royal rune]

Love r.fog 0

Some of the fog is painfully bright in color

[sly axle]

can someone please link me a good guide to how train signals work. im trying to have a train input the main track from a branch but make them not collide

[vagrant oar]

oh really? nice

[true mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/qgy9z0/signal_logic_rules/

Or feel free to open a #1038092680493801533 thread with your issue

[sly axle]

i just did if you could maybe have a look

i did not understand the reddit post much sorry

[azure reef]

dont ask

[ruby gyro]

do the Iodine-Infused filters also work against gasses

aka, do i need gas filters at all anymore?

[golden nexus]

you need both

[left totem]

it's not like 2 slots in the inventory is much

[ruby gyro]

nah mnot complaining either, just needed to know for automating them

[ruby gyro]

ty <3

[left totem]

well you can "not" automate them.if you don't want to though

[golden nexus]

gas does gas, iodine does radiation

[ruby gyro]

thats not what im saying tho lol

im making the factory rn and just wanted to know, why automate a useless item?

[left totem]

ask the people themselves

[languid lance]

does a water extractor use up a water source?

[sterile blade]

All resources that you don't collect by hand (ie: anything mined/extracted by machines) are endless

[reef basin]

And even those that you collect by hand are technically infinite, with exception of sloops and spheres)

[hidden sparrow]

Nah water is infinite

Same as ressources nodes

[languid lance]

including lakes?

I'm not talking about water "desposits" like it is the case for ore, I'm talking about water that is a lake in which you can swim for example

just for clarification

[sterile blade]

Do you even read the chat? 😅

[terse venture]

lake and waterspot both endless

only limit in spacce and m³/h

[sterile blade]

Have to include doggo farming for that, though, right?

[frank sphinx]

any1 have all of hornslet's train and road blueprints ? im too lazy to download all of em one by one? can sm1 share me like a zipped file?

or any blueprint set of roads and trains would be great

[sterile blade]

Note: in most water cases, if you can't swim in it, you can't extract it

[sterile blade]

Ask @potent berry? ^^

[sterile blade]

Eh... Not really? 😅
It's quite the niche item, even in that context. Some appreciate it, but most need to even find reasons to use it in the first place

[reef basin]

Yeah, for some

[hidden sparrow]

Including ponds too

[terse venture]

full freeze .p no msg this time hihi think too long term online extreme .p

~ could be 30 hours hihi

[fathom portal]

Hi, does smbd knows mods that are essential to help ?

[reef basin]

no mod is "essential", vanilla game is perfectly fine to play.

I heavily recommend finishing the game fully at least once, before trying modding, and once you finish the playthrough, you'll know what you personally are missing from the game or what would you like to change

[fathom portal]

Yep i already finished it once

i know what i think i need but i would like to know if anybody has great mods that can very help through the game

[reef basin]

'help through the game" is very generic term

[languid lance]

is it possible to connect say 4 bio fuel generators and connect them all to supply several machines within the same grid?

or will power poles overload?

[fathom portal]

peronally i would like to find a mod that shows the transfer rate for chests

[keen fable]

should be possible

[spice patio]

There is no limit on how much power single cable or power pole can move.

[languid lance]

so in theory i could make a grid that connect all my generators in the world

[ruby gyro]

yes

[keen fable]

I don't think the power poles can even overload, can they?

[rancid turret]

that's what most people do

[languid lance]

ill try that

[spice patio]

That is the normal way

[languid lance]

ty

[rancid turret]

you can have millions of megawatts go through one basic power cable

if they ever changed that a lot of people's factories would snap clean in two

[languid lance]

do all mines extract at the same rate irrelevant of what the resource is?

[ruby gyro]

yes

depending on purity

[languid lance]

ah

[rancid turret]

it depends on the purity of the resource, and the level of the miner

[tepid palm]

All that matters is purity and miner level

[rancid turret]

and you can overclock to get another 2.5x

[tepid palm]

Although I guess with overclocking, it's possible for miners to extract more than your belts can support.

[languid lance]

so best to also write the purity onto the map markers

[ruby gyro]

thats your own gameplay decision

[rancid turret]

if you use your scanner you'll see the purity on the map

[languid lance]

thats helpful

[keen fable]

I think they added the new belts that can carry 1200/min of resources which is the most resources you can get from a node

[rancid turret]

ye; pure MK3 at 250% is 1200/min, which is exactly what a MK6 belt can do

[keen fable]

guys how do y'all deal with spiders?

[rancid turret]

gun

lots of gun

[ruby gyro]

dont forget gun

[rancid turret]

after my first alpha stinger encounter I went from not even having rebar gun to automating homing ammo

[keen fable]

I mean I did manage to kill one without it even noticing me by firing literally 10 homing ammos on it while being like 50m far

[tepid palm]

Making sure arachnophobia mode is off because the cats are more unnerving than the spiders.

[languid lance]

pure is the highest deposit type?

[rancid turret]

ye

[fathom portal]

yes

[spice patio]

Deposits are always "Pure", nodes are Impure, Normal, Pure.

[rancid turret]

homing ammo is best; they don't have that much health but they're fast, so homing ammo from maximum range

just don't let them know you're there

[keen fable]

and is there any maximum distance that the ammo can travel?

[rancid turret]

alas yeah

not sure what it is but there is a max

[true mulch]

back before all the combat changes, it was 100 m, same as build/dismantle range

not sure if it's still that

[proper oasis]

ive orfficialy fallen inlove with drones

[rancid turret]

hey did what's his face try to deface the wiki again

[true mulch]

[rancid turret]

nyoom

[keen fable]

after that it'll just disappear I assume

[true mulch]

yeah

[rancid turret]

i don't know if he did I'm asking lmao

[proper oasis]

?

[spice patio]

Sound effect

[true mulch]

nope, nothing since

[rancid turret]

drone go nyoom

[rancid turret]

was probably his dinnertime

[languid lance]

is over and underclocking permanent until I change it?

[rancid turret]

ye

[inner charm]

anyone know how much cole per minuet 1 coal power plant burns

[hasty frigate]

15 *coal

[inner charm]

thank you

[hoary ruin]

i just spend way to long on a highway module and pressed clear blueprint designer by accident omfg

[prisma thicket]

Can my jetpack pull fuel directly out of dimensional storage or do I need to have it in my inventory?

[true mulch]

It has to be in your inventory as with all "ammo"

[prisma thicket]

Thanks

Another question: is it better to consume slightly less liquid than is being produced or slightly more? My computer setup is producing 50 heavy oil residue, and I can't get a fuel refinery to consume exactly 50, it's either 50.01 or 49.995

or should I just be making petroleum coke and forget the residual fuel?

[rain oracle]

I'm not sure I understand why it would be 50.01 or 49.995. Maybe it's just been too long since I've played, idk

Can you not just set the clock speed to (5/6)*100% on the refinery?

Or is that where the issue comes in

[copper crater]

So I've just unlocked all the stuff for nuclear power, is it worth me going straight for that rn, currently have oil power making me 3000 MW and I'm pretty much consuming all of that already. What are the drawbacks of nuclear that I should be aware of?

[prisma thicket]

I never knew I could do that, I will go give that a shot and see if it fixes it.

[rain oracle]

Waste is radioactive and cannot be fully eliminated from the ecosystem until tier 9, as it cannot be pushed to a sink. It'd have to go through two additional steps (more, but I mean fuel steps here) of processing to get rid of it entirely.

That being said, it's a very nice jump in power for a relatively simple production chain, and is probably worth doing even on a smaller scale with some waste buildup buffering. It takes a while to fill even one ISC with waste.

[green fiber]

youre not using enough decimals if thats the case

you can get it to show 50

[rain oracle]

hi mcgalleon👋 hope you're doing well

[green fiber]

all other things like rounding errors dont matter much in the long run
it takes years for any error of the sort to show up

[rancid turret]

I'm pretty sure any such blip would only have an impact for that one missed item then it would immediately recover

[copper crater]

From my research you gotta make uranium waste into plutonium and sink that, or use it for more power. Any recommendations on this. And should I have this in place before setting up my system or can I do that afterwards

[rain oracle]

you can go a step further in tier 9 with a fuel rod that doesn't last as long as uranium or plutonium fuel rods, but also produces no waste.

However, it requires going past plutonium, too

It is possible to eventually have a net zero setup of waste, it just takes a while to get there

[prisma thicket]

Thank all, got my setup fixed 😄 Consuming exactly 50 residue, and have one fuel gen consuming the exact amount of fuel produced 🙂

[copper crater]

Oh that's good to know, thank you! I think I'll set up some for now and then work through eliminating the waste once I can do that. Just need more power for stage 4 parts. Was considering trying to tap into more oil but nuclear just seems so much more efficient with the 10x production rate

[zenith pecan]

I'm so debating on collecting all the worlds SAM ore into one spot.

[rain oracle]

Yeah, nothing wrong with a temporary, even if longer term, setup for uranium fuel rods as power. Because you only need the waste as the restrictive ingredient for plutonium fuel rods, you can jumpstart that as soon as it's available using the waste from this first setup while you build something new that does it all in sequence.

[zenith pecan]

Because it's the alien stuff, it probably should be an underground facility too.

[copper crater]

Do it!

[copper crater]

Thank you!

[zenith pecan]

The tunnel network will expand!

Bauxite and SAM will definitely add 11km of passages, no exaggeration.

One big plus with my tunnels, I have fewer terrain conflicts! 😄

[ashen belfry]

You could expand your power generation.
Blue crater gives easily 100 GW. Just with ressources closeby.
If you want to push it, 750GW with blue crater.
But even 100GW is enough for most people to beat the game.

[inner charm]

any1 able to vc with me for a min to help with my power my grid likes to shut off constantly

[steady flame]

hey anyone know is epic games experimental 1.1 ? the image says update 8

[hollow pelican]

is it just me or das satisfactory have 1 thing that uses the adaptive triggers from the dual sense

[zenith pecan]

My rocket fuel plant in the blue crater #satisfactory-experimental message

[rancid turret]

is there any way to easily see if i've used a colour swatch somewhere using SCIM?

[zenith pecan]

I really don't know, I've only used SCIM for navigation purposes, sorry.

[fiery glacier]

why is there no vc? would be cool to see vcs of people playing satisfactory

[zenith pecan]

Moderation would be a complete nightmare.

[fiery glacier]

ah 😭

[naive thorn]

Hey, is vertical nudging a thing already in 1.0? I need it to adjust placing blueprints. I found a lot of threads etc. SUGGESTING it, but is it implemented? If so, how can use it?

[rain oracle]

It's in 1.1, which is currently in the experimental branch

[rain oracle]

It's been a while since I've played on Epic, but I'd assume that's just a slight oversight - the experimental branches on Epic and Steam should be pushed roughly simultaneously.

[zenith pecan]

There was an issue with experimental on epic,. I don't recall the details and I play steam so I can't quickly check myself.

[naive thorn]

Thanks! Better late than never. 🏗️

[rain oracle]

Oh shit, fr? Noted, thanks for bringing this up

[zenith pecan]

I have no clue if its fixed, but iirc the Ex branch install didn't appear.

[steady flame]

thy

[median shell]

From what I recall it is listed as a separate game on epic, try searching? Not familiar with epic

[rain oracle]

I do remember it being a different install, but the question was if it was actually updated for 1.1* - the icon still said update 8.

[zenith pecan]

Lol, oh man, with the amount of nukes I set off, this entire area should have been a car park, but nope, damned hatcher still lives 🤣