satisfactory

[west geyser]

yeah, but mine isnt, i have 1 satation, 4 freight platforms that all line up and the other engine just pokes out the back, doesnt seem to be stopping them line up which is why i wondered if it mattered, i post another pic that might let u see better

[shrewd palm]

yeah thats probably better to run a belt

[grizzled lotus]

the maps are fixed, right? not procedurally generated?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[golden nexus]

one mean one single map? yes

[tender raft]

I'm a big fan of ignoring vehicles entirely and just building super long belts until you get trains, some people like vehicles early game especially for coal since you can just take some off the top to power the tractor

[dim sundial]

bah, why did i buy satisfactory on epic

[reef basin]

to support devs and give them more money

[tender raft]

its up to you, but building a belt will always be the "simplest" thing to do, just at a certain point not using trains/drones will come to bite you

[reef basin]

there's only one map

[manic wharf]

i prefer satisfactory on epic more than steam

[proper hound]

...so you can have both main and experimental installed at the same time?

[dim sundial]

but now i have to constantly fight with epic

[manic wharf]

thats true epic really sucks as a launcher

[golden nexus]

you can more or less unlock trains now before needing to do massive logestics...

[reef basin]

epic is fine

[tender raft]

maybe i should have added an "if needed" asterisk

[dim sundial]

we have very different definitions of fine

[tender raft]

i am a big fan of trains being way earlier in 1.0

[reef basin]

what more do you need from a launcher than to launch the game? and it can do that

[tender raft]

am a much bigger fan of geothermal being way earlier too

[dim sundial]

it can usually do that

[reef basin]

never had Epic not launch the game

[dim sundial]

logging in is the bigger issue

[reef basin]

it's auto-logged in every time I launch pc

[tender raft]

i have to relog into epic literally all the time but steams never logged me out

i do think epic is overhated but thats definitely a nuisance

[shrewd palm]

steam is best

epic/ubisoft can burn in hell

[dim sundial]

nothing like a crash to make you realize how much you can get done in 10 minutes

[reef basin]

sounds like file perms issue or something

[tender raft]

i doubt it, its persisted through 2 pcs at this point

the issue that is, it just happens, idrc its fine but wasting like a minute or two finding my pw from my pw manager and relogging is just annoying

the reason most of the dislike of epic exists is because it doesnt offer a single thing "better" than steam, so people just hate it since it's not equally as good, if it offered some things "better" i think people would dismiss many issues

[night summit]

Where should i start at iv already done dune desert

[golden nexus]

grass field is best start

[shrewd palm]

grassy fields is pretty cool

[placid stirrup]

Red forest is the best start

[golden nexus]

Swamp is hardest

[tender raft]

id never sentence anyone to grassy fields start

[reef basin]

there's no best start

[placid stirrup]

Swamp is easy

[night summit]

Grass feilds says it has lots of distance between mining nodes

[tender raft]

theres definitely not a "best" start but grassy fields is definitely the worst :)

[golden nexus]

naaa its best.. it depends how much you understandgame 🙂

[reef basin]

no

[dim sundial]

swamp is actually one of my preferred start locations

[reef basin]

grassy fields are great

[placid stirrup]

Paradise Island is mine

[shrewd palm]

you have everything you need up until oil

and the 2 of the best oil biomes are like right next to you

[golden nexus]

doing all the unlocks on the worst possible nodes means the best possible nodes are avilable later on when you can actually get full speed from a pure node

[placid stirrup]

Haven't found a resource node yet but I'm having fun

[tender raft]

i mean this is a fair take but it depends how you play the game ig

if youre just never rebuilding anything and perma using nodes then u can make the argument

[golden nexus]

optimally 😛

[tender raft]

pft

[reef basin]

wdym "worst possible nodes"

you can't fully use pure nodes until mk5 belts

[tender raft]

optimally means using every node on the map so start with nodes thatll get you to mk3 miners faster :)

[night summit]

What about northen forest?

[reef basin]

so normal/impure nodes are completely fine

[golden nexus]

you can't use them until mk6 actually....

[reef basin]

well assuming your best miner

[golden nexus]

yes.. asusming 1200/min extractions

[tender raft]

i mean 780 > 600

[reef basin]

no I mean, there's a point where mk2 miner is max and you can use mk2 pure node

[placid stirrup]

Northern Forest? Great.
Rocky Desert? Great.
Dune Desert? Great.
Grassy Fields? Great.

[dim sundial]

honestly norther forest is likely the best starting location, more in the middle, but that northern cliff is still pretty good too

[reef basin]

there's no best 🙂

[placid stirrup]

The best starting location was the stingers we killed along the way.

[shrewd palm]

i will stand with the grassy fields supremacy

[golden nexus]

the north coast / spire coast is kinda tricky to get started on

[tender raft]

sentenced to grassy fields

[dim sundial]

ya, no iron makes it time consuming

[silent anchor]

Steam can do more than Epic and has given me less trouble than it. Even for pure launcher functions Steam is better if you use more than one drive for games. As end user there's no reason for me to choose epic over steam.

[reef basin]

I use more than one drive for games. Never had issues with Epic

and 95% of the extra bloat steam offers is of no value to me

[silent anchor]

The best start is one that has what you want from you start.

[placid stirrup]

Zero? More like hero
Lmao got em

[silent anchor]

Not really issues. Steam has QoL functions for it: How much space you have left. As well as being able to set Libraries giving you a convinient dropdown menu to choose where to install.

[terse ravine]

hi

[night summit]

I found where im building its a cliff and it has 4 pure iron nodes a pure copper and a pure limstone node all next to each other and i can just build off the cliff for big flat spaces

[tender raft]

congrats you found one of the most goated small locations in the entire game

[golden nexus]

your going to regret this later

[night summit]

Why is this

[golden nexus]

carry on

[reef basin]

how much space I have left? that's default function for any OS, I don't need steam/epic to tell me that

[silent anchor]

True. It's more convinient to have it there though. So steam wins here.

[reef basin]

how is it more convinient to have it in app that I only use for gaming, than in app that I use daily?

(and both Steam and Epic mostly just run on background, so I'm not actually opening them and using their UI)

[jaunty jewel]

tbh i don't like epic games solely because of how greedy they are

[reef basin]

"greedy" as in "only taking 12% cut, compared to 30% of Steam"?

[crude canyon]

when I lost my accounts, I reached out to epic and got it, I reached out to steam and nothing

I still have a steam account though

Steam is better than the slow clunky mess that is epic

[reef basin]

(just to be sure - I'm not saying "epic is better" or "steam sucks". I'm simply stating that both platforms are completely fine for what they are supposed to do - sell games and launch games; and that I don't agree with most of the hate on epic)

[jaunty jewel]

no, greedy as in the way they treat cosmetics in games knowing full well kids are gonna spend like crazy for a different colour or a dance or something stupid
i used to play rocket league a lot too and they took trading away because they wanted more money as players are practically forced to buy from the item store

[reef basin]

Epic launcher runs faster and consumes less resources than Steam

[reef basin]

and valve definitely doesn't do that

[short brook]

1.1 sounds so gas

[jaunty jewel]

example?

[short brook]

I mean doesn't steam do a lot with their 30% cut

[reef basin]

Dota 2, CSGO, ...

[short brook]

Like sure 30% is a lot but when you look at what steam is doing it seems kinda warranted
Like I wouldn't want steam to take less and then also do less

[ocean frost]

The people love steam, steam is very consumer friendly developers might not like it but they pay the 30 % even CSS did it

[jaunty jewel]

the problem with epic is they don't allow any form of player trading for the most part, meaning player markets just do not exist and items are basically worthless - people lost a LOT of money when rl lost trading for example

[jade apex]

northern forest slaps hard for me. if ur already into the game a bit its a bit more fun more fighting nature and digging ur buildings into stuff

sitting in the desert all day gets boooring

[ocean frost]

Steam family sharing is pretty nice as well

[jaunty jewel]

i can't comment on dota because i never played it, but where in csgo is the player glaringly shown collabs or an item store? there's the steam marketplace ik that much and i haven't played cs in along time so idk

[reef basin]

I want a launcher to launch my game and keep it up to date

I don't care for any other crap. I don't want to pay for Steam to make weird additions to their client, bloating it even more 🤷

[jade apex]

plus nothing is too far and you get some pretty scenery

[jaunty jewel]

in what way do you pay for steams additions?

[ocean frost]

Steam is also a big supporter of bring games to Linux with SteamOS and and the steam deck

[jade apex]

steam is good for the time being

[reef basin]

by steam taking extra cut from money I want to give to developers

[jade apex]

EGS gives bad vibes the launchers kinda wack and it reaaaly kinda feels like theyre the sort of

[jaunty jewel]

idk when i buy a game i just put money in buy game and then it's done 🤷

[jade apex]

bring them in and boil them

[reef basin]

this is practically the only thing that I like about steam compared to other platforms

[ocean frost]

Steam gives developers a bigger pie as well

[jade apex]

epic games store takes a 12% cut IIRC. and pays devs to do exclusivity deals (hence satisfactory not being on steam for so long)

[reef basin]

yeah, epic is 12% (and waives 5% cut if your game uses UE)

[rancid turret]

steam workshop is invaluable

[reef basin]

if it wouldn't be platform-locked to only steam

[jade apex]

what worries me about steam is like

[reef basin]

Steam is making good things, but then screws it by locking them to steam only

[jade apex]

there will be a day where it enshittifies

[jaunty jewel]

i mean it's designed mostly for steam games

so it makes sense why

[grizzled lotus]

how do I know a gas filter is used up?

[jade apex]

most likely after gabe newell passes off the reigns of valve, which will probably be just before the release of half life 3 [after which it will be immediately binned]

[reef basin]

and yet things like mod.io exist, which are "basically" equal to steam workshop, but cross-platform and open

[jaunty jewel]

take terraria/tmodloader for example, game afaik is only on steam and it's workshop is designed for the game itself, with texture packs mods and worlds

[worldly latch]

trains are gonna be the death of me

[jade apex]

its kinda nice how valve hasnt really followed the pool of companies who yk they go public then

line must go up we must get more squeeze more out

[silent anchor]

The burning pain in your lungs. The lower right (I think?) shows the stocl and durability.

[short brook]

Wdym by " locking it to steam"

[reef basin]

so if I'm developing a game, I must choose whether to use steam workshop and lock my game to steam only, or I use other solutions so that my game can exist by multiple platforms

[reef basin]

see above

[jade apex]

the steam workshop is a steam feature

[short brook]

Can't you use other platforms and also steam workshop

[ocean frost]

nothing is locking you into the steam workshop

[short brook]

If you publish on steam

[reef basin]

then the players on other platforms can't access the workshop content

[jaunty jewel]

also, adding friends on steam is incredibly straightforward, whereas on epic it wasn't from my experience

[short brook]

I think my question here would be what are the reasons for why people would want to use steam workshop (player or dev) over something else

[oblique hound]

who needs friends?

[jaunty jewel]

yeah, but steam isnt paid. if someone bought a game on a different platform and wanted to access workshop and had to pay again then yes i completely get where this is coming from, but if i'm looking for a game steam is the first place i look so i'd get it there

[jade apex]

because they might not want to use steam, steam is owned by a company and you know the movie line..

'i have altered the deal pray i dont alter it further'

[short brook]

No I don't wdym

[silent anchor]

Epic isn't really better with their exclusives. Which is part of why I dislike them. It gives me the feeling they don't really try to be a better/good option. They just want to force/trick people to go to them. (same with the freebies, not that I mind free stuff)

[jade apex]

also if you have players who dont own the game on steam but on another platform they then cant use the workshop, and a dev might want to have their game on a platform other than steam because steam takes an arguably pretty big chunk of revenue away from the devs

[reef basin]

they need people so that they can compete on the market. This is a relatively fast way to get people, I don't see a problem with it

[jaunty jewel]

notice how epics two major free games (that i can think of) have pushed item stores (rocket league and fortnite)

[jade apex]

(so therefore, if you make a game feature for workshop, if you then put the game on another platform, youve effectively segregated the player base)

[reef basin]

I get that it costs money to operate the service, but I'm pretty sure there is a way to make it work both ways - have devs able to use it cross-platform and Steam to profit from it

[ocean frost]

It really is up to the dev and the content creator and the community on how content is shared. Its not steams fault that they made it easier on their platform to share things.

[reef basin]

but right now for me (as a developer), Steam services aren't as interesting, if I want my game to work outside of Steam enviromnent

[silent anchor]

So? to me they haven't really done anything that makes me want them more than steam since, so all the got from me out of this is the annoyance of exclusives.

[short brook]

I only use epic for the free games personally
And like fortnite

Cause steam has everything else

[jade apex]

honestly this is my vibe with epic, they dont really seem to be looking to be consumer friendly, especially since they are a publicly traded company (owned by Tencent)

[reef basin]

Steam has extra 20 years of development. It also sucked early and got better, Epic is getting better as well 🤷

and competition is always good for the customer

[jade apex]

therefore if i buy a game, its still gonna be steam, unless theres an alternative avenue i.e the developers distribute it themselves through some other mean

[jade apex]

i think whats being said here is more that there is less trust in epic as a company not to fuck people over than steam

[silent anchor]

Yeah I think the only nice thing they added is bonus points, Which are something added for profit, so doesn't really count as making the platform better for users.

[fast pivot]

when will I be able to purchase the elevator music boombox tape?

[jaunty jewel]

i think my problem with epic doesn't come from the launcher but the company itself, like i said they bought rocket league and have turned it into another way to just generate money - taking away trading, advertising and adding shitty cosmetics constantly, barely updating the game at least to a good quality (which i understand it's hard to add new content to rl but they could at least make more of an effort to add a new map instead of just reskinning a previous one for the 20th time), and they haven't listened to the community once - reminds me of how microsoft treats minecraft

[oblique hound]

they both arent the best, but i specifically have issues with epic games because they have a tendency to buy good games, ruin them with shops and battle passes etc and move on as if nothing happened.

nothing against the actual platform however

[jaunty jewel]

lol same point

[oblique hound]

lol

best timing

[jaunty jewel]

tldr main problem is company is greedy and ruins good games

[ocean frost]

Steam was just a game updater for CS at the start and grew into what it is today

[reef basin]

honestly nowdays I don't care much about "company does that or this". I look at the product and ask if the product is of value to me, if yes, I use that product.

If I was to evade things that are owned by companies who did shit things, I couldn't use anything

[short brook]

I agree with this as in companies tend to find no reason to improve unless someone (a competitor) is able to take away profit

But that requires that the competitor is actually, viable enough to be competitive?

So it's like, on one hand yes competition tends to be good for consumers
It's just that the competition against steam just doesn't really exist so steam still holds #1

[jade apex]

(which also just to differentiate it somewhat, steam is a private company, for now at least and for the forseeable future, hopefully remains so, and they have money pretty much bursting out their ears from their store + backlog of games + they are definetely making a decent chunk of change from the whole gambling stuff going on)

[reef basin]

But that requires that the competitor is actually, viable enough to be competitive?
and you know how we can help make Epic competitive? by using it 🙂

[sand seal]

I throw my ring here.
idc about the launcher I care about the game. It needs to be good, fun and it need to work.
that’s all I want.

[short brook]

People will only use something over something else if they find subconscious reason to

And so there's a reason people use steam over other things

[jaunty jewel]

and that's why i like steam, i buy a game, dev gets some money, i feel like it's worth ny money because i'm playing a game, not some heartless money grab via item shop or battle pass

[jade apex]

(point being i think the power of consumer trust here is being majorly understated, people just dont trust epic games i think 😭 plus the power of the default is real when people have like. all their games already on steam)

[silent anchor]

More stable. Hasn't whitescreened or forgot my login in a while. Still they don't give the feeling they are using all their money to make epic better. Their strategy seems pretty bad, as they are worse than steam their exclusives/freebies don't really work well, to get customers, as at least to me they don't have anything to make me change to them.

[short brook]

If epic games platform gets good enough I'm sure more people will migrate I don't mind
But atm it clearly isn't so the majority of people aren't willing to make that switch

[jaunty jewel]

i have too much on steam already switching would mean losing both progress and a lot of money

[oblique hound]

this is true, it really is impossible to avoid, for me it is just a matter of if i care enough.

[short brook]

U cant just tell people to use something else
They make that decision for themselves based on how viable they judge it for themselves
And the platform has to be more viable

[short brook]

Yeah this too

[ivory condor]

The epic launcher needs alot more work i feel before more people would be willing to switch to it, there is reasons why people still use steam, it has one of the best launchers still

[oblique hound]

you could also just use... both

[ivory condor]

By comparison the epic launcher is pretty meh

[short brook]

It's mostly just not worth the effort to switch because epic doesn't provide more than steam

[grizzled lotus]

are walls destroyed by "nobelisk"? I think the SAM mine I'm trying to reach can be reached by a shortcut that significantly reduces the amount of power poles and belts necessary

[reef basin]

yes, there are obviously some extreme cases, where I care enough to stop using a given product... but it's very rare. Epic is completely fine for me, the "shady practices" are practiced by basically everyone and people just choose their favorite to be one they are used to using/have their library on 🤷

[silent anchor]

Plus who has the time/connections/money to make a proper investigation into everything anyway?

[scenic timber]

Hey folks, trying to start up a new experimental save for 1.1 but haven't gotten very far before (up to Oil processing). One of my biggest gripes in my first playthrough was how much rebuilding I had to do based on optimal factories for areas due to available resource nodes, so I'm hoping to do some more planning ahead of time on this one to avoid that. Is there any sort of resource on "these are the best types of factories for this area of the map"? Or do I just need to view SCIM or similar and try to plan stuff out myself? If the latter, is there any tool that allows you to annotate the map yourself (like map markers, but online/cloud)?

[jaunty jewel]

if it has cracks similar to other breakable rocks then yes

[reef basin]

with todays internet, you're basically guaranteed to find some dirt on anyone... whether or not is based on truth is a thing that is insanely hard to find out

[jade apex]

scim is your bestie, just filter out the nodes you need and look around

[jaunty jewel]

there are very very few "best" places for stuff, imo the only one is the blue crater for rocket fuel, otherwise just find a place you like yourself

[sand seal]

What I can say is that my main factory is always set in the desert. Much space to build. Then I use trains to deliver all resources. 🤷‍♂️

[silent anchor]

Excatly. The average person has no means to really a way to filter out the truth.

[short brook]

I just build wherever I need to and then struggle 20 game hours later when I inevitably have to change everything

[sand seal]

We all know that feeling I guess 😊

[scenic timber]

Is there a SCIM-like tool that allows you to create your own pins for planning purposes?

[reef basin]

how much rebuilding I had to do
you don't really have to rebuild anything, just build new and keep old 🙂

Is there any sort of resource on "these are the best types of factories for this area of the map"?
no, since it varies based on tons of factors, many of them being subjective and differing from player to player

optimal factories for areas due to available resource nodes
something I see tons of people do and makes practically no sense is "I want to use all resources in this area". I heavilly recommend to get rid of that attitude, instead use only what you need for the target production you want. It's completely fine to use half of a node and leave the other half around for later (or never) - realistically you're not gonna run out of nodes or resources and using two nodes to 50% is equal to using one node to 100% - both use same amount of resources from the "global pool"

[silent anchor]

To me swithing would mean 'start getting my new games on the new platform' anyway. Why would you throw away the stuff you already have anyway?

[short brook]

Ideally, I think satisfactory is a game you play to experience yourself rather than following a guide or what's best

I feel like following a guide or a what's best meta thing for satisfactory defeats the purpose of the game

[jaunty jewel]

then i'd have to juggle between two platforms which is inconvenient and uses more resources

[ivory condor]

Keep in mind that even on steam the best you own is a license, but i don't know of what platforms don't work that way

[scenic timber]

I would be fine with that if there was a volume-based deconstruct. Re-building is easy thanks to blueprints - deconstruction however is a PITA without going outside the game. Foundry has a great tool for that.

[jade apex]

i mean.

[leaden ether]

Gog

For as long as they exist an7yway

[jade apex]

the amount of games these days that are just downloaders for a launcher for the game...

[jaunty jewel]

what happens if i want to browse for a game in my library because i'm bored and need something to do?

[scenic timber]

something I see tons of people do and makes practically no sense is "I want to use all resources in this area".
This is not actually the problem I'm experiencing. The problem I'm experiencing is early game spinning up a factory, then finding out that I need that area later on for a different type of factory due to the resources nearby. Perfect example being finding coal for coal power, but realising that there's iron nodes near it which means it should really have been a steel mill.

[silent anchor]

I know. Though it's probably that way everywhere. After all they have to concider the worst case of going down. Though I suppose having legal problems with no longer being able to provide people what they 'own' wouldn't really matter if the company is done for anyway.

[jade apex]

i unno what to tell you for that

[reef basin]

the map is huge and full of similar places, usually it's easy to just find some other place for it

[scenic timber]

Recommend using Playnite launcher - it connects to all other launchers and puts all your games in a single meta library.

[jade apex]

thats more an inconvenience than a problem tho.. all im saying is steams not forever and you should be somewhat antipating that in the future :p

[scenic timber]

Again - not in early game before Blade Runners/other transport methods.

[jade apex]

i started out in a spot with a crap ton of iron nodes and ive never bothered to even use them because i had other iron closer to the coal and since then irons not really been needed on its own so its never migrated back to the hub

[jade apex]

i dont think gog really does anything different

[reef basin]

even in early game. Steel is around trucks, which are already an exploration/transportation method good enough to get you across the map 🙂

[jade apex]

in that respect anyway, thats just how games are, at least you do get drmless

[silent anchor]

Fun fact GOG allowes you do use any game you have on epic and steam. Though yeah not optimal to juggle between too many launchers. Like I totally forgot I had crash 4 on battle net.

[jade apex]

if you wanted something truly truly future proof you want physical media but pc gaming long left that

[reef basin]

ideally I'd want "no launcher"

I'm fine with:

• buy game
• update game

as a functionality for some sort of software. but then I'm completely fine with clicking .exe myself instead of launching it through a software

[jade apex]

i have a copy of GTA V PC on cd lol. it has like 8 discs! haha

[ocean frost]

You need a launcher to update game

[oblique hound]

the fact that ksp and sf both have no drm is
both my favorite games!

[scenic timber]

The good thing about Playnite is that it can effectively become your only launcher. It has options to automatically close the parent launchers after the game has closed. So I just get it to boot up Epic, Amazon, Ubisoft or whatever other godawful launchers are required before playing, then never need to see them. The only launcher I keep active is Steam because that's where 90% of my active library is.

[jade apex]

god ubisoft and EA are my favourite worst examples of how shit other launchers can be

[ocean frost]

I think one of the big shames of steam is we no longer own our games

[scenic timber]

That being said, I have stopped buying games on Steam that have intermediary launchers. Not supporting that practice. Fuck Ubisoft/Rockstar/EA.

[reef basin]

that doesn't solve my problem, that just makes it worse (I have to install another software)

[silent anchor]

Not really. CD's and DVD's have a limited livetime so they are not really that viable for long term storage. The best choice would be an actual digital long time storage system.

[scenic timber]

It wasn't a suggestion to solve your problem. It was a suggestion to ease frustration. There is no solve to your problem other than GOG. 😛

[ocean frost]

I think you need to pirate your games after you pay for them

[jade apex]

ive randomly lost games from both EA and ubisoft and never got recourse :/ (the sims and watchdogs respectively :/ 'lost' ofc doesnt stop me 'relinquishing' it from other sources haha)

funny thing is i actually got watchdogs on steam, but because of their stupid launcher it makes you input a key but it rejects steams key every time!! load of bollocks

[jade apex]

yeah i realised that a bit as i said it lol. to an extent i was thinking a bit about distribution too, people can still distribute physical media long after the publisher stopped making the discs

granted people can distribute it digitally but feel like that tapers away with time until finally no ones distributing it (ig thats the same with physical in a way too tho.. hm)

though i wont underestimate the power of nerds lol

[gritty marsh]

wasnt it always you own a license to the game? it just never specifically stated that. I could be entirely wrong though and if I am then thats mb, Im not completely sure on this subject.

[jade apex]

really with digital distribution i dont knhow how else youre meant to do it its not like you can own the essence of owning the game yk

[reef basin]

afaik we never did

[oblique hound]

i have a flash drive with copies of my drm-less games, you cant remove my license for that >:)

[gritty marsh]

yeah

[wet shoal]

One guy from France sued steam, because he wanted to sell games from his library. That kicked of a series of events, so they explicitly ended that kind of stuff fundamentally.

[scenic timber]

I believe there's a docker-based tool for organizing those. I can't remember what it was called though. I just know they originally tried to launch it with a stupid, childish name of "crackpipe". There's also a way that you can set up a local Steam cache on a NAS or similar for any games you use.

[silent anchor]

The drive can decay though.

[gritty marsh]

if you make backups every so often you can keep a not decayed flash drive

and it also takes a while for drives to die

[oblique hound]

i have never seen a flash drive decay, but for all i know i have 13 ticking time bombs in my drawer
i do plug them in occasionally, so that might be why

[silent anchor]

I was just saying that if you want the data to last you'll have to maintain it.

[grizzled lotus]

are some enemies "stealthy"? I'm sometimes attacked by those spiders without getting a warning

[gritty marsh]

yeah

[gritty marsh]

I play with passive enemies so I have no idea

[scenic timber]

The spiders "leap", so the "Unauthorized hostility" message appears as they attack, not before.

[gritty marsh]

tthat makes sense

[silent anchor]

Once i was halfway into getting surpised by a spider, but then i remembered I play on passive.

[gritty marsh]

lmao, I always love turning around and seeing 2 of the spiders that spit acid (I have no idea what theyre actually called)

[grizzled lotus]

I befriended the lizard!

[gritty marsh]

they should add the ability to befriend the bird creatures

[silent anchor]

I think they generally last 5-10 years. Wouldn't count on cheap ones being very reliable.

[jade apex]

if its not being hit hard r/w wise i still wouldnt count on it but itll probably last decently as long as its pinged to life occasionally

just to stop the cells losing their charge

defo wouldnt use usb as an archive though. optical media i suppose is a somewhat accessible archival medium thats consumer accessible

blurays should last a good good while

[silent anchor]

Fun fact there's like a 80 bucks usb drive with like 16kb memory for long term storage. The memory module will outlive the other components.

[silent anchor]

I think they where 5-10 years as well so not really.

[jade apex]

oh cool, just like a usb drive with a special eeprom on it?

[grizzled lotus]

speaking of creatures, do you get anything for interacting or killing the giraffes/confusing creatures and the birds?

[gritty marsh]

I dont think so, I havent killed one of them in a while though

[grizzled lotus]

on my first run I killed the big creature with the first zapper. it took a long time

[jade apex]

ive heard figures around 20 years from somewhere at one point, i know there are infact archival mediums based off it though granted those are designed to keep them in more ideal conditions

some sony format

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Disc_Archive pretty much special blurays in special cartirdges i think

(though at that point of investment, just get urself something to write to tapes...)

[short brook]

arent magnetic tapes like the industry standard for archiving

[wet shoal]

Thats correct

[jade apex]

yup, if you were dedicated to archiving stuff too they arent terribly expensive as theres plenty surplus hardware to go round

[wet shoal]

issue is magnetic tapes need to be read out and copied every 10 years to ensure data retention.

And for extra safety you would want redundancy that allow you to restore all data by having only 3 parts of 5 intact.

[grizzled lotus]

when I throw a nobelisk, how do I detonate it? I feel like I'm about to throw another one without detonating the first

[jade apex]

click the other mouse button

[grizzled lotus]

can i pick it up again?

[jade apex]

dont think so

[thorn kindle]

I've finished the story and made a cool nuke plant making 720GW. What product should I try producing as much of as I can to maximize coupons? Or is there some other post-game activity I should do to pass time?

[grizzled lotus]

ok thanks

[silent anchor]

The best way to keep your data may just be to make a server that runs storage arrays keeping your data maintained on HDD/SSD's. Could monitor your data integrety and make it accessable over network.

[jade apex]

iirc ballistic warp drive makes the most coupon value

[grizzled lotus]

feels so good to finally kill those poisonous things

I hope they don't respawn

[jaunty jewel]

which ones the flowers or the pillars

[red sun]

flatulence flowers or raspberry rocks

[shrewd palm]

fart rocks and gas flowers

[red sun]

mine were better

[ocean frost]

For important things have 3 copies of the data where one is off-site I think is the golden rule

[shrewd palm]

i must agree

[grizzled lotus]

the rocks

I can't believe the amount of trouble I'm going through just to get a steady supply of SAM

[frail sleet]

Two of my SSD's have died, one of them recently. Neither gave any warning (no changes in SMART etc) - they just spontaneously and completely died. The latest was a Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1TB, very popular and highly rated drive. Nowhere near my most used, they just seem to randomly die sometimes

[ocean frost]

I don't think you should ever trust a single drive to last

[frail sleet]

Yeah, for critical data, no. I had backups of Satisfactory saves, steam cloud got some more recent ones so that i lost basically nothing instead of a day's prog, but all blueprints gone. I thought they were in the save file, but they're not.

on that subject, where are they? 😄

[crude canyon]

oh man I haven't changed my ssd in a long time and it's always full

maybe it's time to upgrade

[frail sleet]

One of my 2.5" drives has 101,731 power on hours. They work until they dont lol

you just never know if they're gonna die in 10 minutes or 10 years

this one i was just using windows, bluescreen, can't boot because drive gone. I also lost all of my satisfactory notes and WoW prep for the next raid / dungeon pool.. kilobytes only, but gone. it's the little things that are really a pain in the ass if you're not super careful with backups and mitigation. "I'l just make a .txt file on the desktop" grew into a pretty big disaster.

[ocean frost]

Don't upgrade expand

My PC is the ship of theseus at this stage

[frail sleet]

Yeah i have no original parts left from 2010. A lot of stuff spent 2-10 years in there though, even though i upgrade or add stuff all of the time.

[ocean frost]

I really need to update my CPU and motherboard

[static gyro]

me too^^

still run it on ultra though lmaoo

[frail sleet]

I have some good data on zen4 & 5 CPU/RAM performance for Satisfactory https://i.imgur.com/B724Oy3.png

[wet shoal]

I generally run my games somewhere where my machine doesn't need to sweat.
Costs less electricity, and keeps my hardware alive and well for longer. Besides,
I hate loud fans.

Minmaxing gaming, calculator when?

[nocturne nebula]

I’ve been playing for 12 hours. Whoops!

[wet shoal]

Factory games are the crack of gaming

[nocturne nebula]

Haha. Indeed

I love problem solving.

[ocean frost]

i still have a Ryzen 5 1600x

[nocturne nebula]

I’m on AMD. 6950

[wet shoal]

Kinda crazy isn't it. Our brain has such dedication and inclination to problem solving, yet,
in reality humans tend to get easily distracted and overwhelmed by sheer complexity.
Such a waste of human potential.

[shrewd palm]

yeah we're so unoptimized

[wet shoal]

Petetion to make reality workable again

[nocturne nebula]

Haha

[static gyro]

i messed up really bad and i decided to split my steel materials too many times and now it cant keep up with demand. what do i do chat 😭

[ocean frost]

how is team red I have always been team green

[wet shoal]

make more steel

[static gyro]

i mught just go to a super old save

[wet shoal]

Bruh

[static gyro]

yeah im not too good at these things

[ocean frost]

so what did you do

[nocturne nebula]

Build moar

[static gyro]

well my steel is fine, its just dont make enough pipes or beams

[shrewd palm]

moar miner

[ocean frost]

overclock

[nocturne nebula]

I’ve always just had the impulse to pay per performance. Green likely do a better GPU but my 6950 smashed the 3090 for a lot lot less.

[frail sleet]

you can get like 3x performance in games without changing mobo/ram

[static gyro]

do i overclock everything or just a few things?

i may not have enough slugs

[shrewd palm]

miners at the very least

[wet shoal]

have you unlocked the slooped production yet

[ocean frost]

whatever it is you need

[nocturne nebula]

I once had a broken mobo and couldn’t add more ram. Back in the days when m.2 drives were new. Lighting change that was. lol

[static gyro]

i know im close to it, i need to unlock it but i dont have one of the materials

[shrewd palm]

i need more ram so bad

a whole new pc even but im not spending that much money going into college with this economy

[wet shoal]

In any case, instead of overclocking you can always just add more machines.

[nocturne nebula]

As long as you can still game. lol

[wet shoal]

Which is more power effective as well.

[static gyro]

all im missing is circut boards, i just got to oil production

so itll take me a bit but i can def do it

[shrewd palm]

i still can but some of these newer games/big things in older games

not good

[wet shoal]

Handcraft them or buy a stack from the awesome shop

[static gyro]

YOURE SO SMART

[shrewd palm]

awesome shop is a lifesaver

[wet shoal]

Sarkasm, probably. I am not smart.

[shrewd palm]

ive bought so many turbo motors and radio control units

[static gyro]

i accidently bought too many

15 tickets gone but atleast i have 1k boards

[wet shoal]

bruh

reroll the save

[static gyro]

lemme load a previus safe

[nocturne nebula]

Plenty of amazing lightweight games these days.

[wet shoal]

Terraria

[static gyro]

terraria is awesome

[shrewd palm]

i dont have any of the problems with almost all of the games i play but it gets a little dicey at times

[wet shoal]

2500 hours well spent

[shrewd palm]

hoping marathon is optimized pretty well

[nocturne nebula]

Did you also try Starbound?

[wet shoal]

Nope

Loves hollow knight tho

Different genre, ik

[shrewd palm]

silksong finally 💯

[nocturne nebula]

Crazy high ratings

[wet shoal]

Mate I will be 40 before silksong comes out

[shrewd palm]

thats rough

[wet shoal]

Im 33

[nocturne nebula]

lol

[shrewd palm]

it was announced for this year right?

[static gyro]

wow youre young

[wet shoal]

Lies. Deception.

[static gyro]

youre peaking in life

[nocturne nebula]

Apparently AI will help us get younger. Let’s go!

[static gyro]

superglue

[jovial sundial]

sorry just noticed off topic channel, ill go there

[wet shoal]

Idk what young means nowadays. I have seen sorted out people in their twenties and completely infantile dudes that approach 50.
But from what I can tell im in for the best time of my life now, before the inevitable decline of flesh kicks in.

[jovial sundial]

aint wide enough yet 🤣

[static gyro]

i mean, in my gen z mind 33 is relatively young, barely reaching unc status (crazy slang i know), but at 33 most people peak phsysically, maybe not mentally but you will 100% have something going on for you. plus you have ~40 years to go so just enjoy it

i cant wait til i grow up, yes i know ill be eating my own words soon but im so excited for college, a job, a car, literally everything. saving up for a car rn with what little money i get so yup

[nocturne nebula]

Having a car is a game changer.

[wet shoal]

Funny you mention unc- Im currently uncle of 7, and number eight is on the way. My sisters breed like rabbits.
Idk if the world is better for it, but I love those rascals.

[nocturne nebula]

Haha

[static gyro]

you must be an awesome uncle

who wouldnt want an uncle that plays satisfactory

dream come true

ill be that uncle

[wet shoal]

Oh yeah, I think im quite popular with them. I guess im doing something right.

being the crazy uncle has its perks after all

However, excuse the OT, im off adding another 30 GW of power via turbofuel

[static gyro]

haha yeah, i just got production amplifier and mk3 logistics thanks to the awesome shop

mk4*

[wet shoal]

Double the slugjuice, double the fun

[static gyro]

watc hme run out of power

HOW DO ITAME THIS DOGGO?? THE RED ONE

[wet shoal]

drop a single palberry

and back off

[static gyro]

say hello to stinky boy

[frail sleet]

My first tamed doggo was an accident lol

[static gyro]

the animation is amazing

[frail sleet]

i was clearing inventory and then i ran off

[static gyro]

lmaoo thats fire

how many can you have at once?

[shrewd palm]

i think you can have as many as there are on the map

they're really useful for disposing of nuclear waste

[static gyro]

okay these somersloops takes so much power

[static gyro]

no way, thats good to know

[shrewd palm]

its very humane and ethical i promise

[static surge]

Uhh

[shrewd palm]

shhh

[wet shoal]

The heavy guns right off the bat I see

[static surge]

Is homing rifle ammo worth it?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[static surge]

K

[shrewd palm]

that and turbo rifle ammo are the best i think

[wet shoal]

Is the rifle worth it...

[static surge]

I can unlock it but I don’t have the rifle yet 💀

The smokeless powder is a pain

[static gyro]

does oil generate power?

[shrewd palm]

i like homing more than turbo just because the bullets actually go where im aiming

[shrewd palm]

if you turn it into some form of fuel, yes

[static surge]

Oil into fuel

[wet shoal]

If you use it to make fuel and burn that said fuel, yes.

[shrewd palm]

probably not when you have explosive rebar/nobelisks

[static gyro]

i dont have enough power at all for these sloops

[wet shoal]

Exactly

[static gyro]

how easy is the creation into that fuel?

[shrewd palm]

but i took my weapons factory offline a while ago so mi just stuck with like 2k homing rifle ammo and a few hundred nobelisks until i rebuild the factory

[wet shoal]

If you understand pipes a little bit very easy.

[shrewd palm]

it only needs a couple buildings i think

[static gyro]

time to use satisfactory tools

[wet shoal]

But power from oil really takes off once you can make diluted fuel via blender.

[shrewd palm]

might not even make byproducts if you use the right alts

not sure about that one tho

[shrewd palm]

check out satisfactory modeler on steam if you can

much better than tools imo

[static gyro]

byproducts?? diluted fuel via blender?? these are crazy terms

[static gyro]

i got you

[wet shoal]

For now just make rubber and plastic, and use the leftover residue to make fuel.

You can figure out the powerful stuff later

[shrewd palm]

the 4 coal nodes near grassy fields are probably enough power for a while

i'd try and set up a decent fuel power plant asap tho

[static gyro]

alright ill do that, but im stuck on what to do first; do i fix my steel setup so i can keep up with the demand of automated wiring,motors, incased beams, and stators or do oil stuff

think i just ran out of rotors aswell..

[shrewd palm]

you're not gonna need automated wiring for a while, and when you do i'd recommend setting up a space elevator part in the red desert (thats what im doing at least), you dont really need stators that much

but you do need encased beams, beams, pipes

[static gyro]

ah let me show you something, let me get to it real quick though

nvm i need bombs so ill just tell you now, i am using them i think, but i didnt use all of the nodes because they seem like a lot of work

[shrewd palm]

its not that bad

[static gyro]

plus i hate water, i dont have mk2 pipes yet

[shrewd palm]

4 mk2 miners (overclocked if you can) is a few thousand MW at the very least

[static gyro]

do i need to overclock anything else other than the miners?

[shrewd palm]

you could but you dont really need to

you can always build more water extractors because that lake is pretty big

could overclock the coal power plants but i very rarely overclock anything other than miners (im very conservative with power shards)

uo to you but it is entirely not necessary

[static gyro]

i see okay

[wet shoal]

Oh btw, 300 crude oil / min can be processed into 22 GW of power,
minus 3 GW for processing said oil. Just so you know where you are heading later.

[static gyro]

gigawatts is how many watts?

[wet shoal]

1000 MW

1 MW = 1000 KW

1 KW = 1000 Watts

[static gyro]

alright, i get it now. thanks!

[high drum]

Any1 got any critics for my factory? #screenshots message

[high drum]

This reminds me of 9th grade science class

Had a bunch of kids who didn’t know the suffixes so the teacher had to give a whole lesson

[wet shoal]

Im lost after Petawatts

[wet shoal]

You certainly arent afraid of funky belt shapes

[static gyro]

can somebody look at screenshots and help me choose where i should put my next coal powered gens? #screenshots

i could really octuple my power

[high drum]

After 2.5hes I’m def not gonna care abt belts

[static gyro]

lmaoo if i octuple my power id need 26 total water extractors

[high drum]

Make a platform above them with a space in between for converters and piping and stack them on top

[static gyro]

converters? for what? also what about headlift lol

[high drum]

Converoyrs

I spelt it wrong

[static gyro]

ah okay

[high drum]

Make the platform higher than deadlift

[static gyro]

would i need pumps?

[wet shoal]

Okay here is the thing

You can make regular coal power now

Or delay that gratification just a bit

And instead go for compacted coal right away

[static gyro]

is compacted is used with oil?

[austere valve]

Don't you just love the metric system

[wet shoal]

Yes, very crucial thing.

[static gyro]

ohhh okay

i dont have 3 gws of power..

currently making 900 mw

[wet shoal]

Yes, but im sure there is some beauty in converting clean multiples of 1000 into squareeagles per burgermile

[static gyro]

my max cons is 1.5k lol

[leaden ether]

"Burger miles" the unit distance between your home and the nearest burger place.

[static gyro]

okay so im looking at it right now, i can do the 300 crude oil / min can be processed into 22 GW of power, but where would i make the power to run it?

[wet shoal]

From compacted coal initially

[static gyro]

this is oh so confusing

[wet shoal]

Power progression needs kindling first

need power to make power

Compacted coal should be doable tho.

[static gyro]

alright, im going to go unlock the compacted coal recipie rn

i need to find a broken thing

[wet shoal]

Yeah, needs a drive

[dense violet]

you could save yourself a lot of effort and just do diluted fuel. You get tons of power from a node with that

[static gyro]

not sure what to go for first now lol

[dense violet]

you just wanting easy power?

[static gyro]

i want to do everything

[static gyro]

well, i want long lasting power

[dense violet]

well you can only do 1 thing at a time

[dense violet]

diluted fuel is a ton simpler than turbo fuel

[static gyro]

in terms of power production, what comes right after coal?

[dense violet]

you know what turbo fuel does?

it essentially just converts sulfur and coal into more oil

[dense violet]

you unlock fuel

[static gyro]

that seems so easy

[dense violet]

easier than not having to move sulfur and coal?

[static gyro]

yes

[dense violet]

exactly, diluted fuel is much easier than moving sulfur and coal

[static gyro]

i have a whole thing set up for black powder already, not running outta that anytime soon

[dense violet]

... so? still gotta move it

anyway, gl

[static gyro]

lol thanks

[wet shoal]

Thing is you will need compacted coal for explosives as well.

[static gyro]

FOUND A DRIVE

[peak wasp]

you need late t8 for diluted fuel though

or are blenders t7

honestly forgor

[wet shoal]

he probably wants him to have a packager / unpackager loop

[dense violet]

you can unlock diluted fuel as soon as you unlock fuel

make a bp with 2 packagers and a refinery, boom, poor man's blender

[peak wasp]

oh but you need packages

[dense violet]

it's a small contained loop

[wet shoal]

Blue crater has a lot of sulfur and coal next to each other. And also water.

Oil is also not too far, its a good location

[peak wasp]

blue crater is perfect for big power plants

there's also some nitrogen nearby

for rocket fuel

[static gyro]

first nuclear power, now i can do stuff with nitrogen??

how advanced does this game actually get

can i make an atom bomb

[wet shoal]

Well yes. But it is kinda small.

[static gyro]

i have 420 crude oil in this place im at

[lime ermine]

Wait until quantum processing

[last jackal]

150 crude = 400 fuel with DPF.

Bonkers efficiency.

[static gyro]

how much plastic and rubber will i really need? or is it okay to have just 1 refiner for each

[dense violet]

make a plan that needs it, see how it goes. it's like asking how many iron ingots you'll need w/o a plan

[static gyro]

well im not sure what comes later in the game so i really dont know

[last jackal]

Isn't that the whole point of the game?

[dense violet]

don't make it until you need it then

[last jackal]

Were you asking how much iron plates you need to make when you set down your first iron plate factory lol.

[static gyro]

i got u guys

[last jackal]

If you just want some clean ratios or something...

5 plastic ref + 5 rubber ref + 4 coke ref + 18 generators.

[static gyro]

im trying to make power lol

[last jackal]

Have fun with that ig.

[static gyro]

tyty

[reef basin]

make what you need now now
make what you need later later

[tender badger]

How do u get conveyor belts to go under a platform and come out the other side, in the sense it goes under a platform, doesn’t clip into the platform but still is under it

I’ve seen it before but I don’t get it

[dense violet]

you mean a floor hole? for lifts?

[tender badger]

There are lifts in this game?

[dense violet]

belt lifts

[dense violet]

maybe show an image of what you're trying to do ?

[tender badger]

Imagine this I don’t want conveyors to go all over the top foundations

Let me try

[tender badger]

Check dms

[dense violet]

post in #math-and-meta , you can put images in literally every channel.

except this one ofc

[tender badger]

U can’t here

[reef basin]

screenshots are available in tons of channels:

if you have a question about something, use #1038092680493801533
if you have a math related query, #math-and-meta
if you want to talk about design, #design-and-architecture
if you want to share a pic of your base and have others look at it (without discussion), #screenshots
if you want to share fan art, #fan-art
for memes there's #satisfactory-memes
for non-meme offtopic things there's #off-topic-media

[tender badger]

Cheers

[abstract heron]

Hello!

just angry at myslef for something that past me did

[low helm]

peak pioneer experience

[ocean frost]

What's going on

[abstract heron]

i forget to connect 400 HOR line so only 60 blenders making 6000 fuel

needing to make 6800 fuel

[ocean frost]

That's not so bad

[abstract heron]

i would have close to then 9444 per minute RF if i had 6800fuel

[low helm]

Thats oddly specific, is that the max or chose that number for a reason?

[abstract heron]

but i need more gas i have a 3000 gas well near my alumin build

2550 oil using @low helm

[low helm]

Ah and that maxes out at 9444 RF I'm guessing?

[abstract heron]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

according to dis tthingy

[low helm]

That Iron Ore is so awkward lol

[abstract heron]

i use 600 line refinery up it up and sink the rest

[low helm]

Fair enough, also sink the polymer resin?

[abstract heron]

yes or do i make more plastic and rubber

with the 2 other ways

later today i will have to add 8 more blenders on to my 60 blenders and 2 more water extractors or 4 more idk

[low helm]

I would just use the residual recipes so you don't have to change the RF chain

[abstract heron]

like use the 1700 resin to do half rubber half plastic

[low helm]

Well whatever ratio you need of course but as an example, yeah

[abstract heron]

850 if i did half

idk where to get more gas i am using 1650 and 1500 one

i think combined

[low helm]

Isn't there like 10k total?

[abstract heron]

using swamps gas and blue crater lakes gas

[low helm]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Nitrogen_Gas

Then use the dune forest one, thats not too far away

All pure nodes

[abstract heron]

whre dune forrest one

[low helm]

If you go to the bottom of the page I linked it has a map with all the locations

[abstract heron]

ik but thats for my alumin build

[low helm]

Ah alright

[abstract heron]

3k gas to use for it

[low helm]

Then you will have to grab one thats further away

[abstract heron]

ya train or drone

[low helm]

I believe drones can do the job generally due to the 4:1 compression

when packaging

[abstract heron]

then i probbaly need to ship more sulfur 😛

but ill have a think about it

[glossy venture]

Weird issue if anyone knows, im on 1.1 atm- If i pull out a buildable, say belts, pipes, literally anything off my hotbar, my game stutters for a moment.
And if i replace a belt with a higher/lower tier belt, it also stutters for a second. Any ideas?

[dense violet]

#satisfactory-experimental

[glossy venture]

Oop, thought i swapped to that channel

[frail sleet]

It's a general game performance issue when you're CPU-limited - present in 1.0 as well.

A reduction in CPU-heavy settings (particularly view distance) and framerate cap to a value that the cpu can more comfortably manage can relieve it

[leaden ether]

THose land whales sure are attracted to machinery -.-

[brazen island]

If you don't get one trapped in every factory are you even playing Satisfactory?

[dense violet]

if you power yoru factory, critters stop spawning nearby

[glossy venture]

Weird, I never really had the issue before. And my CPU only sits around 70% usage. But ill adjust some of those settings and check again, tyty

[frail sleet]

70% CPU usage is very high for a game, since you're measuring all cores/threads. That stat makes the assumption that a workload can be spread out evenly on all of your threads (which is often 16-32 threads on consumer systems today!) and that assumption doesn't hold well for even the most threaded games.

For an easy heuristic, you can check FPS and GPU load. If you're not at a clearly locked FPS cap and you're not at ~99% GPU load, you can quite safely assume that you're CPU limited.

[junior cedar]

@noble zodiac, Loving your work on the train track stuff.
I take it you are using pillars for a lot of the curved supports. How are you finding performance with that many objects?

#screenshots message

[glossy venture]

Anther slightly random question- Starting to setup a central storage area, and wanna future proof it.. Realistically, how many items should I plan for? Just as a rough ballpark. Im not gonna hold onto things like elevator parts and what not, but the more important/essential items

[dense violet]

40 ish. But also even before dimensional storages existed central storages jsut... weren't very useful

[glossy venture]

Yeah, i had one in my update 8 save. But.. I just like having one haha

[dense violet]

don't build one unless you think it's just fun

[glossy venture]

Yeah its really just to bring my save together eventually, not essential

ill just use 40 as the number. Anythng leftover can just exist in its own modular factory lol

[dense violet]

its generally faste rjust having a good hypertube system to, once in a while, hit up a few factories though.

saves way more time than the planning and building of one

[glossy venture]

I mostly just wanna do something ive never done, which is setup a massive train network. Ive never gone super in depther with trains so

sounds fun. And probably more work than I need to do

[dense violet]

fair enough

[glossy venture]

But i just got to phase 4, and I really dont feel like making any of that stuff jsut yet. xD

[spare garnet]

lately I have been imagining a satisfactory port for Switch 2. I even made some fake box art for it

[glossy venture]

this is gonna be a big project.. For one, setting up the train network all across the map.. But also, ive never worked with things like path signals, and block signals.. So this is gonna be interesting lol

Dont know how many trains Im going to need to use either

Cause I wanna try to avoid sushi belting as much as possible

[dense violet]

you just need block signals

also, why not just move a small amount of a few resources to one location and make a very low parts per min of various things?

[glossy venture]

Good question. Prob cause I didn't prepare for literally anything xD

[dense violet]

no time like the present

[sterile blade]

Today there should be a devstream at the usual time, right?

[leaden turret]

unless asking about it jinxes the streaming computers

what's the streamer equivalent of the theatrical "break a leg" ?

"have some scuff" ?

[sterile blade]

Just to be sure, but is there a QA section today, or will it be focused on something else?

[leaden turret]

depends on if it gets pushed to accommodate an expanded community highlights from the missing weeks

[sterile blade]

Oof, gotcha. Thanks for the heads up

[bitter crow]

does advanced game settings affect other playthroughs

[ocean frost]

nope

[bitter crow]

gill r u sure

[dawn sun]

Advanced game settings are bound to the session, they won't affect future playthroughs or other sessions unless you activate them there as well

[bitter crow]

Thank god, my little brother was desperate to try the game but NEEDED creative

[dawn sun]

As long as he started his own savegame yours isn't affected

[lavish lance]

How old is he?
The game doesnt realy put any stress or limits on you, apart from power early on.
Surely he can figure it out.
Kids are persistent

[sinful carbon]

making a spaghetti factory is so tempting

instead of making a conveyor belt around the whole factory so it looks neat i could just have it go right through

[lavish lance]

I cant wait to de-spagetify my nuclear setup once 1.1 drops.
Beibg able to work better verticaly is a game changer

[leaden turret]

embrace the spaghett

[sinful carbon]

my ocd cant let it happen

[leaden turret]

when using the term OCD when you mean tidiness it trivialize it for the people that do suffer from OCD as that's not what's meant

[lavish lance]

He might suffer from it, how would you know

[silver void]

I hope vertical splitters and mergers get some more love... It is very frustrating trying to use them to make some compact stacked constructors and foundries... They do not snap to the bottom of lifts correctly and the fact that we cant free place them like regular splitters and mergers limits their utility

[tall lantern]

#satisfactory-experimental is thataway. though really that sort of feedback would be better on the QA site

[crude canyon]

Yo

How do you guys design your factories?

Or do you not pay much attention to that

[tall lantern]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[crude canyon]

knowing what to build is one thing, I'm asking how do you build them

[tall lantern]

oh you mean physical layouts

[south cliff]

Find what I need to make, find how to make it, find suitable spot, build the factory in a logical way, decorate around it

[tall lantern]

fluids near their sources, yolo the rest

[crude canyon]

I've got so many rules
I want to make my factories expandable, but also without making the previous machines not suffer when I'm expanding. I also don't like rebuilding anything because half the time is deleting things

Walkability is also nice, but it's hard to make it happen with all the belts around, same with clipping

[tall lantern]

logistics floors help with walkability, though it is nice to see the belts too

[crude canyon]

High throughput items are done near the machines that need them, and of course, fluids near source

[tall lantern]

I generally don't care about expandability since factories are a one-and-done deal

[crude canyon]

A lot of people hide the manifolds and I think that's kind of bad. I understand hiding the what item goes where, I even done it once and added glass to see things, but I want to see the manifolds themselves and not dig to the basement every time something is wrong

Like I see a lot of people talking about a factory being efficient, or looking cool, but not that many talking about how a factory feels to be around in

[tall lantern]

digging in'd only be needed during initial troubleshooting, once it's up and running there's no need to go back in. Though I do usually put some access routes anyway

[last jackal]

Maximum Spaghett Spaghett is beauty. Clipping. Glitching. squashing!

[bitter crow]

hes turning 11 i think and he hasnt played many videogames on pc, so i think he has to stick to creative until he can move around and understand better

[crude canyon]

readability is also really important to me. If someone new can come into my factory and understand what's going on, that's a huge win in my book

[last jackal]

Nah. My place is my place.

[crude canyon]

To be fair, a lot of the way I play is just on programming principles

[last jackal]

On the contrary, when I program, about 30% of my code is comments.

[crude canyon]

You want your code to be readable, you want it to be easy to expand if you need to

[crude canyon]

Man I do not use signs enough

[last jackal]

I make it very clear that I can come back to it 4 years later and still know what I was doing.

[crude canyon]

Also there's that thing about agile where you make a working model asap and then you develop around it

It's good for like hmf, you start making a bit and then you make it go up to like 10 or 15 per min

[crude canyon]

This is a super valid way to play

[tall lantern]

indepedency ftw

[crude canyon]

I had 1 game when we when decentralized super early

like we were making acus in the west coast, we spawned in the desert

Like, at that point you get like the depot and power towers and the hypertube cannons, so it's not too big of a deal

but you don't have drones

but the depot is still doing so much

[crude canyon]

I've tried independency before, there's 3 scenarios that it doesn't like much

1- I need a crap ton of one thing
Like once I was making hmf, and I needed like 50 modular frames per minute, which is a lot of machines

Since I was already making so many machines you'd think a dedicated mf factory would be a good idea

2- Byproducts

Most of the time you'd probably want to sink them, but if you want to be optimal with it, you can't really be independent and you'll be making a lot of things at once

3- Polymer resin
It's a part you can make a lot of in 1 machine, and then distribute it around easily, otherwise you'll be working with refineries at like .2% or something like that

[tall lantern]

Indepedency doesn't really change how many buildings you need, just where they are
(yeah clocking might add a machine here or there, but that's a rounding error in any moderately-sized setup)

Byproducts can generally be used as part of the production that's making it. Only exception offhand is fuel-based power production since that tends to create spare resin

[crude canyon]

I mean, I'm kinda shitting on independency here, but it's good, it's very reliable

[last jackal]

Which is why we so often just sink it.

Or make fabric and sink it.

[crude canyon]

Honestly I prefer to make plastic and rubber with it

it just needs some water, and since we already have some so much polymer we don't know what to do with that means we don't waste crude for them

[last jackal]

True true.
I had a little factory off to the side which used residual plastic (or was it rubber?) to make alt recipe computers.

The resin that comes off of the DPF factory is... blegh...

[crude canyon]

Another thing is, we need to distinguish independency and centralization
For more complex parts, you need a lot of different resources put together. But then you need to make another part, and the best place to make it is where you already have a factory, so then you just build more and more in the same spot.

But I guess having a factory supplying things for another factory isn't independency anymore

like decentralized independency

[crude canyon]

for dpf I made a blueprint that turned heavy oil and water into power

2 overclocked generators, a refinery, 2 packagers with 50 cannisters included

all fitting in a mk2 bp designer

[mortal ginkgo]

How many nuclear reactors would be good for phase 4 beginning

Or just power.

[last jackal]

I did ferry back resources to my main area with a train. I shoved like 6 items onto 1 car. You know, the last tier items pre-1.0

Cooling systems and the lot. That makes like 2 a minute or such.

[last jackal]

nuclear is 100% optional.

[crude canyon]

I ended phase 5 with like 120 GW

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah I want to set it up but I'm not sure how much GW is good for phase 4

[crude canyon]

But you could aim for 60 for phase 4

[last jackal]

Pre 1.0 I used 0. But still ran 4 full particle accelerators.

[mortal ginkgo]

Is sufficient.

[mortal ginkgo]

60GW for phase 4?

[crude canyon]

maybe more on 80

make your power reach 80

[mortal ginkgo]

aight 80GW

it will be more than 80GW tho because plutonium

32 Reactors..

Expensive but doable.

nvm 64 water extractors..

There's plutionuim WASTE????!??!!

[tall lantern]

of course

[mortal ginkgo]

Do you guys recommend any Alternate for all this nuclear bull st

[tall lantern]

compare the tradeoffs, see what works for you

[mortal ginkgo]

everything is soooooooooo expensive.

[tall lantern]

the alts in the uranium chain get you more bang per uranium, may or may not be useful if you have a specific power target in mind

[mortal ginkgo]

80GW uranium only.

I have an idea.

Because all this uranium stuff is soo complicated, I am going to go to the button that says Shutdown.

[tall lantern]

good plan

[noble zodiac]

#screenshots message

The supports and the full circle things are all made from pillars. So far performance is fine…. I had a prior design that killed performance though.. You can read about it in modding forum under screenshots.

[last jackal]

Just sink the plutonium rods.

Alternate is hundreds of fuel generators.

[mortal ginkgo]

you can sink rods?

but you can’t sink plut waste correct?

[last jackal]

The thing that will go into the generator, you can sink that.

Or you can be ballsy and power your truck for like half an hour with a plutonium rod.

[craggy anchor]

Oh man I'm only on 2nd phase and I see ya'll saying some magic words lol

[lavish lance]

have trust, he will figure it out.
i somehow managed to play through most of pokemon fire red without knowing english (im german and didnt know a single word of english at that time)

[craggy anchor]

I had the same thing with pokemon Y

[last jackal]

Your mind is definitely built different when you were a kid.

[mortal ginkgo]

Still uranium rod itself ainmt better

I have to craft a whole dozen of things

(I don’t even have nuclear unlocked)

[last jackal]

Its a choice lmao.

[mortal ginkgo]

Except I try finding alt recipes

good ones which I don’t have idea of

[last jackal]

Will you build about 4-500 fuel generators with extremely simple steps.

Or will you make 10 ish NPPs and have a whole logistics puzzle.

The choice is yours.

[craggy anchor]

pick your poison

[grizzled lotus]

looking for thoughts; I'm thinking of making a video playing this game, which biome is the best? I've played a bit of the 1st and now I'm on the 2nd.

[tall lantern]

define "best", since they each have strengths and weaknesses

though of course, beyond the super early game you'll be expanding out of it anyway

[lavish lance]

there is only so many fuel gens you can build before losing it

i stoped at 200

[last jackal]

I like 1st because its green. That's my entire reason.

[tall lantern]

valid

[lavish lance]

eventually you have to travel around and spread out your builds.
you arent locked to any 1 biome

[tall lantern]

best colour is one definition of best lol

[lavish lance]

i dont like the first starting area too muich, a lot of the resource nodes there are impure

[tall lantern]

good for newbs, ensures they're not overwhelmed by numbers, and don't have to deal with miners pumping out more than belts can handle

[lavish lance]

fair point

[last jackal]

Yeah. I but I dislike desert because of how hilly and sandy it is.

Hate forest because ew swamp.

Vast green plains? Lovely.

[grizzled lotus]

I only found this out recently because I was exploring the 2nd biome I found the edges of the 1st and was confused

[lavish lance]

with the desert i just go to "floating sky platform" as fast as possible

[tall lantern]

yeah it's all one big map

[grizzled lotus]

honestly I thought the 1st biome was going to be really good, but it's pretty boring. I ended up liking the 2nd more since it felt more exotic

[last jackal]

but I like my dirt ground. 😔 😔

[grizzled lotus]

the 1st one doesn't feel alien at all

[last jackal]

Big reason why its so good imo.

I like to start around the area were there are a good number of impure nodes and a cliff right behind me.

Starting 3 of Iron Copper and Limestone are all within visable distance and coal is just a short hike north with the beautiful pond.

[grizzled lotus]

are the 3rd and 4th biomes more difficult? I honestly thought the 2nd was supposed to be harder than the 1st but I liked it

[sour pilot]

nope

[grizzled lotus]

ok, because the descriptions make it sound that way

[lavish lance]

the 3rd one was the forest, right?

it lacks large open areas, so it might be a little trickier?

also there is a lot of uneven terrain

[sour pilot]

description is weird. actually, dune desert it most likely easiest starter area

[lavish lance]

dune desert is good

[tall lantern]

difficult is relative

the only real "difficult" thing about the northern forest is the relative lack of flat space, which isn't an issue once you've got foundations

similar with the dune desert, though that also has all its biomass concentrated into smaller areas

[dawn sun]

Each one arguably comes with its own challenges and advantages. Plains has a lot of space and decent greenery, but worse purities and little MAM-unlocked resources,
Rocky Desert has amazing ore nodes and plenty of space, but little handpickable greenery (although arguably it's not that bad but I can't point at much else 😅)
Forest has insane greenery and decent nodes, but little horizontal space and a lot of trees in the way, so building becomes a challenge
and Dunes has a lot of free space (though the dunes make it a bit of a challenge) and altight nodes, but very little greenery to carry you to coal

[fringe scroll]

How do you get back to the entrance exam on this server? I accidentally clicked out of it I think.

[grizzled lotus]

do I eventually get something to clear rocks or other terrain

[dawn sun]

Most foliage you can either blow up or chainsaw down, but most rocks stay in place. Only the gas rocks and the porous ones can be cleared

[craggy anchor]

ig that's why the foundations exist

[fringe scroll]

It was something like !entranceexam

[tall lantern]

the what

[mossy moon]

i think they added it after you were here. when i was getting my alt acc here i saw that thing

[mossy moon]

i think you dont need to worry about it if your here already

[tall lantern]

interesting, just tested it out. Wonder how new that is then, timestamp on Mikael's message was only a few days ago

[mossy moon]

its been there for a bit. i assume its been there for atleast a month

[gusty bronze]

ok, it's been a month since I last chatted, DLC when? 😄

[tall lantern]

what would be DLC-worthy?

[cinder fable]

can some1 help me with fuel logistic question?

[tall lantern]

not without knowing the question. Ask the question, don't ask to ask

[gusty bronze]

nitro rocket for easiest, next question 😄

[cinder fable]

im using that but my gens arent getting powered

[gusty bronze]

try pre-prepping the line? verified all refineries and mixers are operating at full?

math correct on pipe output? also keep in mind, rocket fuel is a gas not a liquid and doesn't need pumps or valves

[cinder fable]

so basically, i have 450 rocket fuel per min, going through a mk2 pipe into 44 generators that consume 10.42 per min, but the generators at the very end are never on, even tho i have a bit excess fuel being made than i actually need, it doesnt make sense

[gusty bronze]

you need a pipe manifold

[cinder fable]

imma put it in screenshots rq, i think i did it right

[left totem]

you make it sound like one choice is better than the other

[tall lantern]

probably just need to pre-fill the pipes

[gusty bronze]

#screenshots message

knew it was still in screenshots 😄

[cinder fable]

should i just turn off the gens till all pipes full

[tall lantern]

lol 10 no reacts on that image, probably best not followed

[gusty bronze]

shouldn't need to, if you use the manifold they'll eventually fill up on their own to 100% over time

[south cliff]

The 10 NO reactions on that image should give you the hint that this isn't good advice

[charred elk]

does anyone have a satisfactory discord server where ppl are in vc and playing??? i hate being lonely

[cinder fable]

(out of the purpose of learning) why would i need to do that type of piping instead of what i did? i dont see why what i have done is wrong per say

[gusty bronze]

they didn't like the colors lol, the manifold is math safe

[south cliff]

Pipe manifolds should be looped back

[gusty bronze]

thats a different issue

you want to avoid slosh as much as possible so don't do loops

[fringe scroll]

Maybe you could finally escape the planet, or explore an icy region, or figure out more about the aliens.

[gusty bronze]

the way pipe segment math works out, the more splits in the manifold evenlly distributed the more even the spread, so in that image pipes 1,3,5 have priority over 2,4 but will even out 2,4 quicker since 1,3 feed 2 and 3,5 feed 4

[gusty bronze]

new map

[cinder fable]

on top of that tho, the distrubution is 50/50 with only 1 split

so since that checks out, as long as i wait for full pipes it shouldnt matter yes?

[tall lantern]

that's definitely not happening lol

[gusty bronze]

pretty much yeah, unless your math is wrong, one trick I do after the manifold and use power shards on generators, only add them after the pipes are full, but thats if you are at the last tier and have infinite shards

[gusty bronze]

but I need it to, cause my friend and I need more nodes, the factory must grow

[tall lantern]

use up all the existing nodes first

[gusty bronze]

did

we stopped playing cause we ran out of nodes to do bored giga projects

[tall lantern]

guessing there you mean all the nodes of one or two specific resources

[gusty bronze]

uh no

to audhd people one in dev one in circuit engineer.... our save is complete

[charred elk]

does anyone have a group with voice chat

i wanna play satisfactory while talking to someone else in satisfactory

[tall lantern]

every time the idea of using every node comes up, people always say you'll bring your PC to its knees before using every node lol

[gusty bronze]

it does not

the server, yes, but just build a bigger server

[tall lantern]

so it'd be very interesting to see the setup that achieves it

[gusty bronze]

it looks like bored people #screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

My old world was good at taking down peoples computers, and it likely used under half the worlds resources in general, though it did use all the uranium, sulphur & bauxite.

[broken mica]

Hello, I have a station with 3 freight platforms. One for coal, one for rubber and one for plastic. I have 2 trains one rubber and plastic train and one coal train that comes over to unload the materials. The coal train has 3 freights filled with coal, but i only need it to unload one of the 3 freights into the freight meant for coal, but it keeps unloading all 3 freights of coal into the rubber and plastic containers, how do i fix this so that the train only unload the one frieght of coal ignoring the other 2 so that my rubber and plastics train can deposit those 2 materials into the respective container?

[desert arch]

Hi, is there a satisfactory game start argument to disable the logo and directly go to the main menu (like --quickstart in other games)?

[wet shoal]

Solution One: have smart / programmable splitters sorting the cargo stations out after unload. This allows for multi purpose stations, but has the issue that it can fill up your storage capacity if too much cargo is imported, leading to clog or unavailability of the station for other trains. This can be solved by including the option for overflow tho, with a sink taking care of the superfluous portion. But it can still cause issues when you can unload your cargo stations quickly enough.
Second Solution, add two additional stations, one for each resource , to allow maximum throughput for each train.

[buoyant anvil]

I've answered you on Reddit, but the short answer is you can't. The Stop Settings will unload coal to every platform set to unload.

I have a spreadsheet where I put in materials and load/unload and platform offset, then I route my trains as if they're picking up for Uber Eats, not delivering the same thing in many locations like pizza delivery.

The problem is, you can't have coal supply stations with three load platforms either, because any car aligned with a load platform while Stop Settings are set to load coal will get coal put into it.

[broken mica]

I saw it thanks for the explanation. And yeah the game would benefit a lot if you could control what the freight platform would accept from the train besides a load and unload.

[buoyant anvil]

Here's my station list to plan for this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jazT-gmh5OC3Q7rsIoXXjcgeORHoAupd/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=117918158593394601400&rtpof=true&sd=true

It's an Excel spreadsheet.

[left totem]

aluminum takes only one L, I guess it's for some kind of alphebetical order

[ocean frost]

Does anyone know why cast screws has an experimental tag on it

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Iron_Ingot

[zenith pecan]

The one place where I would have found the 1.1 elevators ideal, is the place I can't use them effectively 🤣 , they're limited to 192 metres per shaft, my damned power station towers are more than half a kilometre tall.

[left totem]

maybe because it got introduced in experimental then onto stable

some things that have been added onto experimental might have had different cost of process time and they still wanted to maybe keep track of that

[grizzled lotus]

with the dimensional depot, is my inventory now unlimited?

[reef basin]

no, it's data error

[left totem]

keyword : maybe

[reef basin]

keyword: yes

I'm the one who generates the data

[ocean frost]

There is a stack limit of each item

[left totem]

you didn't understand what I meant

[mortal ginkgo]

Nuclear Power setting for the first time💔

[reef basin]

ah, figured it out, technically not data error - they renamed the recipe from "Cast Screw" to "Cast Screws" on EX

hence why it has two entries, one for stable, one for EX

[ashen belfry]

Basically yes.
There are stack limits and upload limits.
If you need more ressources than you have in your depot, you can't build it.
And you need to wait til it replenished the storage

[tall lantern]

fyi on the same page, Leached Iron Ingot had a change in capitalisation (ingot -> Ingot)

[reef basin]

yeah I'm not fixing these manually and I already notified Ondar about it so we'll see what the resolution will be

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys I'm stuck in the hub help

#screenshots

[leaden turret]

respawn / dismantle, problem solved

[mortal ginkgo]

thanks

did they fix the multi milestone launch?

yep

[drowsy plank]

Can someone tell me what Non Hostile Monster is that, Send a Screen in #screenshots

[leaden turret]

sometimes when a bean and a flying crab love each other very much, they have babies

(sarcasm)

[drowsy plank]

[leaden turret]

@void gorge please confirm if canon

[mortal ginkgo]

Cmon supercomputers can't be bought..

In phase 4 for what part we need versatile frames?

[tall lantern]

check the Codex? or the Wiki if you haven't gotten that far

[abstract heron]

i think he is getting ready to stream

[leaden turret]

why you watchin mikael in the bathroom 😛

[abstract heron]

I AM NOT!

[leaden turret]

how you know he getting ready to streeeeeeam

[abstract heron]

its near 10am my time duh

[leaden turret]

making toilet joke

to put it a british way... taking the piss.

[abstract heron]

but today is stream day which has me happy mood

[mossy moon]

oh thats the name of plant looking bean?

[leaden turret]

I have no idea.

I just made a joke 🤷‍♂️

[mossy moon]

ah ok

also arent they closer to the spore flowers than bean. i still do think that they are female beans sometimes but when you really think about it yk

[mortal ginkgo]

I did

[tall lantern]

then look again because that info's definitely on the wiki

[leaden turret]

remember to look on the wiki, and not the ad-laden trash fire

[tall lantern]

even the trash fire has it

[mortal ginkgo]

I already found it bro

I said I did

[tall lantern]

then why'd you tag me?

"I did" sounds like "I looked and didn't find it"

[mortal ginkgo]

oh mb then

[manic wharf]

Is there a way to see where your power outages are im losing my mind

[south sinew]

they don't have a specific location, it's the sum of all machines on the grid vs all machines generating power

[left totem]

if you have one network, it's the entire network, if you have multiple networks, good luck finding which one

[manic wharf]

at some random point in my factory i forgot to connect a pole to another so justlike 2 machines have no power LMAO

[left totem]

it happens yes

but generally you look at the final output not being outputted at either the correct ppm or not at all and you understand that something is wrong with the factory

[sinful carbon]

how fast are trains? is their speed affected by the amount of freigths?

[left totem]

after 4 of them, it starts to slow the whole train a bit

if the train is going on an uphill slope, it will slow and use more power
if there's a curve, the train will slow a bit

[sinful carbon]

and how long would it take the train to go from lets say rocky desert to grass fields

[reef basin]

depends on route you take, number of engines and carriages, slopes, network congestion, ...

[placid stirrup]

At least 5 seconds

[sinful carbon]

on average for a fairly straight line with not much slopes

[last jackal]

I'd give it at least 5 minutes.

[reef basin]

hard to say, build the route and time it

[mossy moon]

i do have a very convenient for this situation route from rocky desert to grass fields but im not in sf

[sinful carbon]

over the ocean?

[placid stirrup]

Time it

[mossy moon]

ye over the west islands and around the side over the waterfalls thorugh the arch and to the blue crater

[sinful carbon]

oh yea

[mossy moon]

i swear i did check how long it took a while before but i forgot

[placid stirrup]

Bummer, if only there were ways to record that info in game

[elfin trellis]

another day after work another session of satisfactory

[cloud salmon]

the ole clock out clock in

[fossil ice]

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[magic dagger]

Okay thanks 🙂

[normal vault]

#screenshots message

glad to see I’m not the only one to get this, is there a fix for this at all?

[abstract heron]

@unborn gyro

i did a thing

no

@unborn gyro

on steam i have 16k HOURS on Satisfactory

[bitter crow]

damn

[lavish lance]

if he struggles, you can still just enable some advanced game settings to make it easier

[left totem]

proof ?

[abstract heron]

on steam

[left totem]

yeah just take a ss

bro is unemployed

[abstract heron]

nope

[junior laurel]

The job is satis

[left totem]

oh

I'd wish to be paid to play satisfactory

[junior laurel]

-# that was me messing around I don't know what leo does.

[abstract heron]

i do have a legit job

[abstract heron]

but wont say here

[left totem]

+18 stuff ?

illegal stuff ?

cringe stuff ?

[junior laurel]

[tall lantern]

OnlyPlans

[abstract heron]

i wont say in this chat

[left totem]

damn

FactoryHub

[junior laurel]

Ask I'm off topic

[abstract heron]

nope

[junior laurel]

The strike through denotes a joke

[abstract heron]

i am making 9444 RF factory

[trim vine]

When designing a blueprint, will it also save the pattern?

i.e - I am making a 4x4 smelter BP, will it save it if I set it to Iron/Copper/etc

[tall lantern]

yes

[trim vine]

Sorry, confirming, yes to mine?

[tall lantern]

yes

[trim vine]

Thank you both ❤️

[tall lantern]

it'll also save things like clock speeds, power shards, even items within buildings

[mossy moon]

i think it saves everything dosent it? its a perfect copy of your blueprint when you place it

[abstract heron]

i also done rush the game

[mossy moon]

no i think it can if i remember, maybe im wrong

how ever when you copy paste recipe then it dosent take powerhsard from depot

[trim vine]

Next question - how do you dismantle a BP design?

[mossy moon]

its intresting that it still atempts to fill it with powershards but if your copiying a setting with 2 or 3 powershard. when you have 1 or 2 left it still puts it in but dosent warn you that its not the corect setting

[mossy moon]

go to dismantle and press 'R'