Mephiles the Dark

[fallow jasper]

God

[rich dew]

This

[fallow jasper]

Stalking Shade does need a nerf it shouldn't be as fast as it is

It barely gives you any time to react to it

His projectile speed also needs a nerf I agree with that

He needs nerfs across the board dude

[rich dew]

I forgot that his boost gave invincibility my gosh

[fallow jasper]

His stats too

Why the hell does he have QBZ's stats

Literal insanity

[primal fjord]

ikr

[fallow jasper]

9 speed and 10 strength

Literally why

[rich dew]

I think he's the only one with invincibility that can damage you

[fallow jasper]

Reduce the strength

[primal fjord]

better strength stat that knuckles

[rich dew]

In my opinion, stalking shade is fine, it's literally the better version of kings judgment

But it needs a slight nerf cause like you said, its kinda hard to react to it

[rich dew]

Movie knuckles?

[primal fjord]

yes

and knuckles

[rich dew]

Didn't knucks also has a 10 strength? Just curious

[fallow jasper]

Doesn't he have 9 strength

[rich dew]

I know he has 10

Hold on

[fallow jasper]

Yup

It's 9

7/4/9

😂

[primal fjord]

shouldnt get 3 pick up if stalking shade it to spammabls and you can hardly reach if other ppl are try to attack you at the same time

[fallow jasper]

Remove the pickup rates completely

He shouldn't have multiple pickups when his attacks are this good

[rich dew]

Yup it's 9 lol

[primal fjord]

ikr if all his item have single pick up and work the same I wouldn't mind

[rich dew]

Long story short: Mephiles is op asf, he needs a slight nerf that can make him balance

[primal fjord]

all they need to do remove damage from boost and chance of multiple pick ups

[topaz cedar]

I could see the clone spam being a problem but everything else in his kit seems fine

The dash having I frames and doing damage isn’t that cancer

[rich dew]

Tbh this is what I think to

[topaz cedar]

I say just give it a speed nerf on clones

[rich dew]

The dash is kinda a little bit broken tbh, it needs a damage nerf, in my opinion

[topaz cedar]

And don’t let him pick up a bunch

[topaz cedar]

How much it do?

Cuz I never got hit with it luckily

[rich dew]

The one when you can't even freaking jump

And got straight into the pits of hell

[topaz cedar]

I mean a damage nerf wouldn’t hurt it ig

[primal fjord]

really now I main sir Gawain and I see it cancerous especially since you can't hit him but he can hit you

[topaz cedar]

But it’s seemed kinda slow for a boost anyway

[primal fjord]

if you try to catch up and the boost the only think you have it's gg

[rich dew]

His boost is like the portal from mv knuckles

But slower

[topaz cedar]

Just don’t get hit

[primal fjord]

it's Abit slower than ring portal but last longer

[rich dew]

But not that really slow, but just a bit of slower

[topaz cedar]

We have things like movie tails existing

What he has isn’t that bad

[primal fjord]

sure don't get hit when they have 3 lane projectile

[rich dew]

This

[topaz cedar]

Those are jumpable

I weave those all the time

[rich dew]

You mean the swarming darkness??

[primal fjord]

they are also spammable

[topaz cedar]

I breeze through Memphis Tennessee projectiles

[rich dew]

It's not like chaos ice wave that you still can dodge when he still spam

[topaz cedar]

Those are the least of my worries

[rich dew]

Cause it's not a three clones

[primal fjord]

pretty sure they both travel at the same speed

[rich dew]

Tbh, the clones are faster than ice wave

[topaz cedar]

No they aren’t

Ice wave faster Fr

[rich dew]

I don't think so, Mephiles clones is much faster than chaos ice wave, I have no trouble on dodging him many times but Mephiles clones is pretty fast

[topaz cedar]

I weave both

But I get hit by chaos more

It feels faster to me

[rich dew]

Yah we have different experiences, it's fine

[next galleon]

Sitting pretty at 4019 cards. How about everyone else?

[rich dew]

Lv 10 Mephiles on me

[next galleon]

Do you know how to dodge his attack where he summons a clone on top of you? Do you just side-step?

[rich dew]

Yup, side step

But it's kinda too fast so you need to be cautious

[leaden gorge]

Card check: 6,966

[fast hornet]

I’m just over 10k cards now, puts me at lvl 13. Need about 2.5 k more for lvl 14. I’ll be happy with that, any more I’ll consider bonus.

[rich dew]

Nice

[rich dew]

Nice

[leaden gorge]

Bro I can’t afford lvl 12 😭

[rich dew]

There's still remaining days left for you to grind on him

I'm trying to get him at lv 12 atleast

[fast hornet]

I think you’re close, pretty sure lvl 12 is around 7k.

[desert kindle]

6,940.

[leaden gorge]

I mean I don’t have enough rings to buy lvl 12

[fast hornet]

Oh, I see. Well, thankfully the missions will still be around for another two weeks, and with them the 2.5k rings per mission.

[rich dew]

Pls I wish that what happened to the movie knucks event wont happen to Mephiles 😭

The bugs

[marsh notch]

Time for hell.

[hexed oyster]

Mepholes level 16 upgrade is confusing. Increased chance of pickup up 2 swarming darkness when the previous upgrade had increased chance of picking up 3 ?

Is it supposed to be lik that

[amber topaz]

Indeed I'm readying super sonic

[marsh notch]

Probably got that shadow-nerfed.

So much about Mephiles not being OP

Seeing a picture of the upgrade, yeah, that is confusing. My only thought about that is telling others not to get Mephiles to max level.

[desert kindle]

Can someone confirm if Stalking Shade actually targets multiple opponents?

[ornate nest]

It doesn’t, it goes after first place or the person behind if your in the lead

[desert kindle]

Ooooohhh...

I'm gonna find my message.

[worn kindle]

so it seems mephiles just turns off your boost button

[marsh notch]

That's kind of a relief

[hexed oyster]

Also feels like the slow effect from being hit by his attacks was tuned down

[worn kindle]

fr in a race with 3 other mephiles i cannot even catch up at all cause stalking shade’s will still hit me if i’m in last

f

i suspect the slow effect was bot exclusive

[desert kindle]

#💬chat message

There was older message than this, but I forgot the keyword.

||Maybe you remember? @opaque mirage 🥲 ||

Just tried playing again. Staying behind made it clearer. Yes, it only targets leading opponent.

And I think Dark Embrace doesn't immediately make you invincible. There's delay.

[marsh notch]

I have to be honest

I would have preferred that when you start a race you see normal shaped mephiles transforming

[desert kindle]

Stalking Shade is guaranteed triple at maxed level. 💀 💀 💀

[marsh notch]

speaking of the persona its objects are more or less strong perhaps the second attack that you can easily spam the image of the thing that attacks you I would make it smaller

since it occupies a percentage of the screen, sometimes it doesn't show anything

[azure gate]

I think it doesn't need to be changed much, maybe only its trap in the form of clones, and specifically fix its animation, it's strange that it attacks before it falls.

[marsh notch]

I confirm

[azure gate]

And yes, making the bot stronger was an interesting decision.

His trap is similar to the lightning bolts of the usual character Amy

[marsh notch]

I repeat that I would have preferred to see mephiles normal shape at the start of the race

which then transforms

[azure gate]

Does literally the same thing, but attacks faster and the effect of losing an item is different, but does not touch the ring

[azure gate]

In fact, the shape of the hedgehog Shadow is not its normal form. But it would be nice to see.

[marsh notch]

right now his animations are a copy and paste of infinite

[quasi parcel]

Yeah, so I wasn't dealing with that noticed

[marsh notch]

Hey I noticed they were changed slightly

[rich dew]

His entrance is a little bit different, well...the dark shade around him

[marsh notch]

Here's my verdict on Mephiles:
New characters may be broken to start with, until they eventually get balanced. but this one? he is...
Extremely broken! ok, maybe not extremely broken, but still broken.
Really, I think you know what my opinion is.
For starters, you shouldn't be able to pick up multiple of swarm of darkness and stalking shade.
Mephiles is broken for that reason.
Essentially, you can keep spamming and spamming all game.
Players, including me, are probably annoyed right now.
How about you guys? what's your opinion?
I cannot iterate enough changes should be made.
Luck may be on our side though, the developers might agree with this opinion.
Each of us need to share our opinions on this so sega can makes changes.
See what I did there? 🤣🤣🤣

[rich dew]

Holy, that's long

[fast hornet]

Ok, so his shade is literally just lightning but different. Not too horrible. Boost feels like invincibility with damage, delayed start, slow speed and all. Swarm does actually feel like ice wave on steroids, could get nerfed.

[rich dew]

I think they shadow nerf the swarming darkness speed, cause i can now dodge it

[marsh notch]

Do you get what I did there though

[rich dew]

Well, you asked what's our opinion too so I told mine

[marsh notch]

Yeah that's fine I'm just saying there's a reason why that was long

Look closely

[fast hornet]

Shade is actually not that terrible I think. It’s just lightning but slightly different.

[rich dew]

Yup, I read it

[marsh notch]

The acronym is NERF MEPHILES

[lone knoll]

That’s basically infinite

[sullen jackal]

The fact that he can use 2x items is stupid

[marsh notch]

Yeah and he had a major nerf to his boost

[undone jacinth]

The frame rates are lower than hopes that Movie Tails users have their precious EMP Shield buffed.

[sullen jackal]

If he can spam his 3rd item while in first place you are most likely not gonna even bother

[rich dew]

So here's my take: in my opinion, I think the stalking shade is fine?? Cause I can easily dodge it...unless of the spam

So.....the swarming darkness seems a bit slower than the AI so that's neat

I think they need to lower the chances of pickups on swarming darkness? Two is fine but 3 is literally broke

[undone jacinth]

My game crashed.

[primal fjord]

should only be one and make it damage increase for the upgrade remove damage from the boost

[rich dew]

Also the boost? I think they need to buff it's speed a little...In my opinion

[primal fjord]

the boost speed is find just need to get use to it

[fast hornet]

I mean, invincible boost. I’m fine with it being on the slow side. It lasts decently long (I’m working with a lvl 13 Mephiles here).

[rich dew]

The two is fine, but three shouldn't be

[rich dew]

Idk he feels kinda heavy when I'm boosting

[undone jacinth]

So we're gonna ignore what I said?

[rich dew]

My game crashed also lol

But...only once

[fast hornet]

This is the Mephiles discussion thread, and I have no idea how to help you.

[undone jacinth]

It's either the clones he cause or my phone is now a ticking lag time bomb.

[rich dew]

I even crashed when I'm playing Mephiles lol

But it's fine now

[mental crescent]

this character is not okay

[marsh notch]

^

[undone jacinth]

Why, because of the lag his Stalking Shades cause or is it because you use Movie Tails and you can't use your EMP Shield?

[mental crescent]

that was the worst attempt at a roast ive ever seen LMAOO

anyway no he's just obnoxious as a whole and makes everything overwhelming
you really thought you were gonna be smart with that roast

and an fyi
you can look either "from: rafa#0004 movie tails" or "from:rafa#0004 mt" and see for yourself the massive L you took
have a good day

[cerulean dock]

I found that if you use Mephiles against three other Mephiles users, not using any items other than Dark Embrace and Shield helps to keep some chaos off the screen.

[rich dew]

Uhh...what's happening in here?

[mental crescent]

someone tried calling me out for using movie tails as if i dont hate him religiously

[rich dew]

Dude literally, Movie tails literally won cause the other Mephiles keep attacking each other

[rich dew]

You can use any character you want, they don't have to care tbh

[cerulean dock]

That's my logic.

[rich dew]

I actually hate tails too but I use him lol

[mental crescent]

no but that's the funny part
i don't use him 💀

anyway

[rich dew]

Based

[barren pecan]

I super enjoy mephiles so far but I think I crashed playing him

[mental crescent]

seen a couple of those messages around, is it true that mephiles actually crashes games?

[rich dew]

I'm enjoying Mephiles too lmfao

[rich dew]

I only crashed once

[cerulean dock]

Never crashed mine.

[rich dew]

And that's it

[barren pecan]

My game just froze and refused to continue

So far it was only one time, though. Out of the four only one had an issue and it was an "oops all mephiles!" game

[cerulean dock]

Now watch as I jinx myself

[mental crescent]

i will say
from the couple races ive done, some were really laggy
but im yet to crash

he definitely has performance issues attached to his name though

[rich dew]

Yah I Dc'd two times now ಥ⌣ಥ

[lyric chasm]

Bro what

[fast hornet]

I wouldn’t be too surprised if having, say, 10 Mephiles clones on screen overloads some older devices.

[lyric chasm]

Don’t you have like lvl 12

💀

[mental crescent]

:verne:

excuse you

[lyric chasm]

Had to max all the movie characters

[mental crescent]

level 16 slugger go stack boosts

🗿

[lyric chasm]

Not mt yet but he’s close

:uneasy:

[rich dew]

Even baby sonc?

[lyric chasm]

Yes

[rich dew]

Nice

[lyric chasm]

He has a max baby sonic

[mental crescent]

i mean baby sonic is literally the only maxed yeah

[rich dew]

I want a baby sonc recap tbh

[lyric chasm]

I didn’t even realise I was in this channel I thought it was screenshots bruh

[mental crescent]

his events this year were god awful im lucky i was playing in 2020 💀

[haughty mango]

I think we need to wait until we can analyze more matches where there's only 1 mephiles present to get a better idea of his strength. A lot of the games with 3 or 4 of them are obviously going to be a mess, but you cant exactly tell whose items are whose

[quasi parcel]

Ur not worng

[crisp viper]

Yep give it a month or two and see. I personally think he's fine. Not being able to take rings away is a huge downside of him.

[haughty mango]

I think we're all getting up in arms too quickly about how much he's actually spamming per person. I've got one at level 12 right now and i think he's definitely a pretty good character but I'm not seeing anything that would make him more of a headache than some of the other top tiers I think are way more well rounded

The bot seemed better than the character we actually have. His trap means he has a similar situation to characters like shadow or amy where he really cannot guarantee he can hit characters behind him imo

[rich dew]

Ok in my experience, Mephiles is kinda fine

[formal verge]

Mephelis is fun I love pressing stalking shade every few seconds lol

[open shell]

Just had my first match against a full lobby of Mephelis. Was playing Metal Sonic because I want to get rings more easily.

Gonna be honest, I like. I dont think he's that overpowered. I think the destroying an item effect is a fun gimmick and while yes his attacks slowing you down could be seen as a bit jerkish, since it doesn't do any damage I don't think it's that bad. If it didn't slow you down then Mephelis would be basically useless in the final part of the race if he's anywhere except first for the entire stretch.

[crisp viper]

What is mephs level 16 upgrade? The description is incorrect I think lol.

[haughty mango]

Also just some anecdotal evidence from my games so far: super sonic basically wins for free vs mephiles even if he is against 3 of them

There's no way to stop him

[crisp viper]

Oh that would not surprise me lol.

He isn't 10 speed, so he can't just get a huge lead through damage alone.

[haughty mango]

I don't see myself coming around to the idea that anything meph can do is more OP than ss, mss, infinite, uc, tangle, mt, rms, percival, music duo, paladin, etc

[fast hornet]

I think it increases the 2 pickup and either decreases or removed the 1 pickup chance.

[crisp viper]

pretty much- theres already a lot of power in the game and those you just named are all super strong

[crisp viper]

ok ty thats good

[fast hornet]

Reaper and Special Agent have a similar thing where they seem to have a repeating upgrade but what it really does is decrease the chance of getting only one Dead End/Bat Bomb.

[crisp viper]

Is it only decreased for reaper/special?

[fast hornet]

Don’t know, those are just the ones that came to mind where they seem to have a repeated upgrade for increased pickups.

[waxen wind]

In summary SPAM

[solar sedge]

Hardlight I am genuinely having a hard time understanding your decisions for this character, like Gawain projectile has an incredibly low x2 pickup chance for a one lane projectile but Mephiles projectile needed a guaranteed x2 pickup chance with a high x3 pickup chance and is 3 lanes. Why did it need multiple pickups?

[quasi parcel]

I mean you're not wrong

[waxen wind]

X2

[light night]

nerf his trap to oblivion

It is basically an instant auto target with multiple pick ups

[haughty mango]

The trap would be fine if the animation matched the hitbox

If anything the attack probably needs to be adjusted

Matches with 4 mephiles are literally rng though. I've seen level 1s win

[zinc tundra]

Please nerf mephiles

[zinc tundra]

Yes!

Mephiles feels so unfair against most of characters

[haughty mango]

Nobody is going to want to hear the truth but infinite is better than this character in every way lmao. Still head and shoulders above everyone else

[zinc tundra]

Agreed

[spare surge]

Multiple pick ups for 3 lane attacks shouldn't be a thing. It's absolute hell trying not to get hit by the spam.

[quasi parcel]

Bro ngl when I'm in a match with mephiles and when they start Spamming it makes my phone lag so bad it's annoying

[spare surge]

Stalking Shade still feels a little inconsistent too.

[haughty mango]

Stalking Shade was not tested whatsoever the timing is always different lmao they have to look at this animation

[marsh notch]

Sometimes I wish I was this delusional. Then maybe I would be happier with this game

[rich dew]

Perhaps

Tbh, infinite is kinda least annoying so yah

[marsh notch]

Then why can I e-mine Infinite and he will be out of the game?

Lol, you now deleted the message

[rich dew]

?

Who?

[marsh notch]

j0eyman

[haughty mango]

I'm not gonna get baited into arguing on a sonic discord with some brainless dork with literally 0 counter argument.

[rich dew]

So here's my opinion...I think Mephiles is fine, it's just that we came across witth so many Mephiles players so it's kinda the spam is bad

But when he's with other characters, He's actually balanced ( I'm talking about that he's still defeatable of course)

[spare surge]

Against more than one in a lobby is hell, yes.

[rich dew]

I think we have to wait until the hype is over where there's no too much Mephiles around

Even pal amy can take Mephiles

Yup, whirlwind wallop

[spare surge]

Stalking Shade attack speed is still inconsistent though. That might need to be looked at.

[marsh notch]

I literally gave one

[rich dew]

For me, I still can dodge them pretty easily except when theirs literally so many Mephiles players and different players spam you with the stalking shade

It's hard to dodge

[spare surge]

Pretty much all races is spam.

[fast hornet]

An argument you want no part of.

[spare surge]

Lol

[rich dew]

True

Another argument

[rich dew]

Depends on the player when he/she wants to spam

[spare surge]

The majority are spamming.

[rich dew]

Yes ಥ⌣ಥ

Tbh, Spamming is boring

I don't spam on Mephiles unless there's a super user on the race >:)) yah I want super beat supers

[spare surge]

Supers are still doing just fine.

[rich dew]

Yah some are defeated some are not, it's pretty normal

[spare surge]

They can sandbag and collect rings. And Stalking Shade/Swarming Darkness/boost effects can just be removed by sacrificing other items and not their boost.

[rich dew]

Yah, That's why I think Mephiles is fine

[spare surge]

I still think he shouldn't have multiple pick-ups for his projectile.

[rich dew]

Fair

[spare surge]

Anywho, I'm taking a break for now. Maybe I'll try and work on my trophy score this season, maybe I won't.

[marsh notch]

Because I am forced to use a specific character to counter it?

So "balanced"

[rich dew]

Naww I use charmy and I won

[marsh notch]

And I can use Storm and win. One single win shows absolutely nothing

[rich dew]

Well...we have different experiences so yours is valid

[marsh notch]

The "different experience" is just "I can't show arguments so I use this excuse to keep my point"

[rich dew]

Huh?

[marsh notch]

The moment something has multiple pickups for a three lane attack it's automatically broken by definition

One doesn't have there "different experience"

[rich dew]

I told my opinion that he's fine, but yes that his chances of getting a pick ups needs a nerf

[golden stratus]

If you’re forced to use Super to beat Mephiles doesnt make Mephiles not broken
Quite the opposite really

[rich dew]

Supers can still win

Oh wait, I forgot this isn't screenshot lol

[golden stratus]

What about the other 65 characters that don’t have a 9 second long invincible boost and don’t have a strategy revolving around staying behind the spam and clutch boosting?

Furthermore not everyone has Super at a high level
Hell some people don’t have Super period

[spare surge]

Super is pretty much everyone's counter.

[rich dew]

He needs a pick up nerfs

[marsh notch]

Even Movie Super Sonic.

[golden stratus]

Also, both Supers are broken
If the only way to beat something is by using something broken then they both need nerfs

[rich dew]

That cloud zap spam

[marsh notch]

I bet Super Shadow will be a counter too.

[spare surge]

Probably.

[rich dew]

I use Mtails and beated him, but I have to activate my shield so he won't destroy my items

[haughty mango]

Most of high level feels like its become a 10 way rock paper scissors between the few broken characters

[marsh notch]

Even though Lightning cannot in any way destroy Badniks at all, his boost and invincibility can still make him one.

[golden stratus]

Oh man you beat him with the best character in the game that changes everything

[marsh notch]

The previously best one.

Probably.

Especially with pre-nerfed EMP Shield.

[rich dew]

I beated him with my common charmy

[golden stratus]

And I’ve beaten 3 pre-nerf Infinites with Rouge
Doesn’t mean Infinite wasn’t busted af and didnt deserve every single nerf he got

[rich dew]

Yes

[rich dew]

Wait pre nerf infinite? Didn't his phantom can go through shields, correct me if I'm wrong?

[marsh notch]

I beat three pre-nerf Infinites with Tails, Lancelot, and Percival, but like everyone, it never convinced me otherwise.

[spare surge]

From what I've seen and experienced, Mephiles counters are those that can hang back from his projectiles and clutch boost. Supers can manage it the best, MT can with a well timed boost, and Infinite if he doesn't fall too far behind and manages not to get hit with something at the last second.

[marsh notch]

You are correct.

It was also when he was better staying at like lvl12.

AT MINIMUM.

[haughty mango]

Every character can beat every character. Balancing should be focused on adjusting characters with over-centralizing mechanics, too many strengths which synergize together (invincible dash to gain lead, emp to maintain it, for example) and just general degree of effort needed to win

[rich dew]

So I think he deserves the nerf cause that was broken, And I think on Mephiles.....his pick ups needs to nerf cause it's literal spammable

[marsh notch]

You're the one saying that Infinite is still miles ahead of everyone

[haughty mango]

Just because we CAN use charmy and beat whoever, doesnt mean they dont require way less effort and should be adjusted

[rich dew]

This

[haughty mango]

Because i still believe he is.

[golden stratus]

All his stuff went through shields, his boost drained only 50 rings, deadly replica spawned in front of everyone, and you couldn’t jump over any lane reality warp had
Still saw them eat some of the most embarrassing losses ever even with all of those tools; I saw a max pre-nerf Infinite lose to a Level 5 Jet once
Just because you can beat them doesn’t mean everything is fine

[rich dew]

They still haven't nerf uni cream

[haughty mango]

I've beaten a million of them but i still think his mechanics are fundamentally awful game design

[marsh notch]

Man, you really can't play against one then. They are lost once you hit them hard

[spare surge]

His boost makes it difficult to recover. And a few characters can literally put him in the back at the first item pick up.

[golden stratus]

Also for the record I think Infinite is mostly fine now
But even when he wasn’t even close to fine a lot of people were quite frankly just terrible with him

[rich dew]

Ik but in my opinion ( you don't have to agree) it's just I think Mephiles is fine BUT, he needs a nerf too, like I think his boost is decent

[golden stratus]

imo the boost duration is fine (not the damage tho), it’s the multiple pickups that have to go

[marsh notch]

I personally think Swarming Darkness and Stalking Shade should not have multiple pickups.

[golden stratus]

On both of his attacks (edit - stalking shade having a 2x or 3x pickup might be fine, dont think swarming darkness should get multiple pickups tho)

[rich dew]

They have to nerf his chances of pick ups cause man....clones be stealing lunch box

[golden stratus]

Been saying this since day 1 of the bot being a thing and I stand by it

[haughty mango]

What would we replace the pickup chances with though is the question

They account for a lot of his level ups

[marsh notch]

Just slightly more damage.

[golden stratus]

damage upgrades

thats what literally every other 3 lane projectile does

[marsh notch]

Think about Ice Wave. Only lvl6 increases the range. Lvl12 just increases damage.

[golden stratus]

you could also use one of the upgrades to make it a 3 lane attack in the first place

ice wave, reality warp, wipeout, and rainbow blast all take up one lane until their first upgrade

[haughty mango]

I think thats a good idea but there's also the fact that it seems like he was designed with the idea that youd stack clones on people, hence the multiple pickups.

[marsh notch]

Now with that mentioned, another alternative to Swarming Darkness in order to keep the multiple pickups is to make in a one-lane-only projectile.

Noooo, but Memphis os my favouriiiiite!!!! You all HATER for wating to Neerf!

[rich dew]

True

[golden stratus]

This could also work

[rich dew]

I like Mephiles but I do agree of him having a nerf

[haughty mango]

If he doesnt have multiples and he only locks like 1 slot, its not really going to be doing much unless the damage increase is like at least a bit decent

They kinda just designed a very weird character in general

[marsh notch]

You mean like electric attacks?

Almost as if that what you said is bad already exists

[rich dew]

So his clones itself is three, but no pick ups and only a damage increase on it? Is that what you meant?

[haughty mango]

It does exist. And its bad lol

[marsh notch]

The only redeeming quality with Swarming Darkness, in my opinion, is the fact it does not go through walls.

[rich dew]

Imagine if it does

[cerulean dock]

That would make it even more broken

[rich dew]

Were doomed

[haughty mango]

I'm saying if he's changed so that more often than not you're only locking one slot, its pretty easy to wait that out and just burn a more preferable item. It seems like they WANTED him to have a lot of items flying out to put multiple stacks on you

[marsh notch]

Basically Rainbow Blast, but with darkness and a consistent dodge method (not including being in the empty lane).

[haughty mango]

I don't think this makes for very fun or balanced design either, but they'd probably end up buffing the damage if they took a lot of the pickups away. And then we'd have to see if it ended up being just as annoying anyway

[rich dew]

Ohhh okie

[rich dew]

True

[haughty mango]

It's just the nature of introducing brand new mechanics into the game

[fast hornet]

Am I the only person who thinks Mephiles isn’t that annoying to fight? It really just feels like fighting Shadow or any other heavy electric character, only exacerbated by there being usually 2+ of him.

[marsh notch]

You have this guy too.

I think also Mocha.

[rich dew]

This

[rich dew]

Tbh, I think that too

[crisp viper]

Yeah if Infinite gets hit once or two he really struggles. His only bet is you guys fighting eachother or getting deadly replica hits

[haughty mango]

I said that a few hours ago

[crisp viper]

I dont find meph that hard to play against

Just jump when ahead of him (best chance to dodge), if you see his attack go past, quickly jump again, go behind objects such as walls or enemies to block for you

[spare surge]

Easier said than done when some tracks are built for spam. Don't forget he'll also be dropping Stalking Shade so you have to be mindful of that too.

[marsh notch]

You clearly played against a bad Mephiles player then

[spare surge]

Now add in at least one more Mephiles player and you have nowhere safe to jump from.

[mental crescent]

"to beat mephiles you just need to dodge"

kek

[crisp viper]

JUST CC HIM

[rich dew]

This gave me a chuckle ngl lmao

[spare surge]

Can't CC with no items ☠️

[runic ivy]

duh

why are you making it such a big deal? Lol dodge

[fast hornet]

Going to be honest, sometimes don't really need to dodge when his attacks do so little damage.

[normal lily]

If i have 100,000 rings, how many challenger levels does that cover?

[fast hornet]

From level 1?

[normal lily]

Yes

[fast hornet]

6 I think.

Sorry, up to level 6.

[golden stratus]

“Just Dodge lol 2: Electric Boogaloo”

[mental crescent]

was #1 infinite

[random siren]

they should make, that stackable attacks (like fireball) counts as various items for the mephiles effect, 2 fireballs is like taking you now 2 items, if you have 3 fireballs, then you can get out a level 3 effect with just that object.

[barren pecan]

Spamming stalking shade is just the equivalent of my brain screaming "DOPAMINE DOPAMINE DOPAMINE"

Are you telling me I get to do exactly what I do as Gamma/Excalibur but with way worse consequences for anyone behind me? Sign me UP I wish I could unlevel dark spine just to get those rings back

[spare surge]

Except it's HEEHEEHEE HEEHEEHEE HEEHEEHEE

[barren pecan]

I beaned this zavok like 6 times last match and immediately purchased five microtransactions for REAL MONEY do you hear that hardlight do not touch this ability

[spare surge]

I don't see Stalking Shade needing any nerf.

[barren pecan]

The only thing I think is insane about it is the fact you get multiple

[spare surge]

It works like Lightning.

That's fine. It's Swarming Darkness that should have only one pick up.

[barren pecan]

Never really get to use that one much

[spare surge]

I sometimes use it to take out bots when I'm in the front.

[marsh notch]

Correction: This is "Just Dodge LOL 3: Darkness Boogaloo."

Just Dodge LOL 2 was EMP Boogaloo.

The first Just Dodge LOL was Phantom Boogaloo.

[rich dew]

Lmfao

[primal fjord]

i think stalking shade cab get a chance of picking up to 2 since it only attack first place but swarming darkness need to be since pick with damage increase

[golden stratus]

If it only targets one player for its entire lifespan then that’d be fine

[primal fjord]

I'm sure it pretty much lightning but hit quicker and will take of of your items

[mental crescent]

i dont get how this got through while excalibur is objectively worse in every aspect lol

swarming darkness 100% needs pickup chances reduced and im fine with stalking shade being 2x as long as theres at least a bit more mileage with how fast you can dodge it

[spare surge]

^This. I've noticed it's a lot harder to dodge right after jumping his Swarm because you're trying to anticipate the next swarm.

[mental crescent]

excalibur (the okay character):

• melee attack, 2-3x pickup rates
• decent boost, does electric damage
• one lightning type trap that hovers above until it falls, deals good damage

mephiles:

• 3-lane projectile, 2-3x pickup rates
• slightly worse speed than excalibur's boost, does normal damage, is invincible upon usage
• lightning type trap that hovers until it falls, deals good damage, 2-3x pickup rates

debuff on all items: wont go away, takes away your next item, can be stacked up until 3 stalking shades, next hit will deal insane damage + take away 40 rings if 3 shades are stuck onto you

i fail to understand how this objectively got through

but maybe thats just me? idk

[spare surge]

Not just you. It's a bit much. Personally though, my biggest issue is Swarm having multiple pick ups. You're nearly guaranteed to get hit by it no matter how much jumping and dodging you do if you're ahead of Mephiles. 3-lane attacks shouldn't be able to be abused like that.

[mental crescent]

i 100% agree tbh
had a race against 2 mephiles on pinnacle peaks, the last loop there were 5 swarms shot one right after the other by 2 mephiles and there was no human way to dodge it
then they clutchboosted me <_<

its just not okay

[spare surge]

And he gets that 3x chance at lv 10.

[mental crescent]

yeah thats just
yikes

[golden furnace]

For me, mephiles is just a ghost clinging to me everytime in the battle; even in boosts like speed break of darkspine sonic , he can hit me with dark embrace, while being completed invincible to my boost damage . I think there should be an option where we can select battle modes like:

1. Any random - means any normal, special, challenger, rare, super rare characters can be matched in a single match
2. Anything except challenger characters- so that if a new challenger is overpowered then we can avoid it till it is adjusted
3. Anything except special character just like the point 2.

[fast hornet]

While I know Mephiles in his current state is a bit too strong, it’s still rather funny to me that Supers (aka the meta) still seem to win pretty reliably against him.

[mental crescent]

just like movie tails vs tangle it shows both are on their own bracket of busted

[covert urchin]

Well, I'm a little disappointed. Mephiles isn't nearly the character I hoped he'd be. A tad underwhelming. The over abundance of mephiles in matches is too chaotic though. Thankfully super shadow next month!

[waxen fable]

The only things i want changed for mephiles its the same one as darkspine (add world rings) , add mephiles base form (blue shadow) when he enters the battle

[rotund creek]

I think infinite is still better even after the nerfs

[limber hill]

The copium is real

Y'all will still look on excuses to shame Infinite

[fallow jasper]

Mephiles is better

[soft spade]

Tbh Mephiles isn't as bad as Infinite

Mephiles can be spammy, sure, but Infinite's still got really good items

[marsh notch]

Mephiles is actually better not even a joke

he doesn't get held back from his boost like Infinite

and the attacks are even harder to dodge generally

[pseudo kettle]

mephiles annoying

lol

[waxen wind]

hit infinite once and you knock him out of the race

[pseudo kettle]

i experience a bug with stalking shade

sometime it became invisible

and i didnt saw it and i got hit by no reason

and i got hit by stalking shade

[marsh notch]

its lag generally

sometimes the thing literally spawn on you without warning

[pseudo kettle]

probably

[marsh notch]

other times it gives you 0.2 secs to move

Sometimes it decides to be decent and give you a good 0.5 secs to react

[marsh notch]

All I remember about mephlies is wanting to break my ps3

get ready to break your phone

[lone knoll]

Nerd React Him…

[kindred ether]

Don't nerf him in fact pls give him buffs I want a competition

[crisp viper]

Damn his 3rd ability only goes on 1 target damn

[terse vessel]

He's great. Maybe needs a small nerf but he DESERVED to be broken.

[steel tulip]

how good is mephiles?

playing races with 3-4 of them is chaotic

[barren pecan]

Yeah, another freeze crash with 4 meph

[deft summit]

This game about to be unplayable for a couple months bc 💀

[marsh notch]

it wouldn't be the first time

[marsh notch]

Yee.

My first experience with that was during Infinite's debut, although I was still trying to go for 6K.

And I was fortunate enough to get it before Mod Matches commenced (and especially fortunate enough to succeed in reaching tier ten before I had to go to a funeral).

[tropic gulch]

I think mephillies is kinda weird since it’s abnormally agro
Like some characters you don’t HAVE to play aggro but with mephillies (because it has 8 speed) if you don’t play aggro most meta chars will out speed you

Hopefully there’s a sweet spot where it’s balanced enough to play aggro, but still for his moves to be dodged

[marsh notch]

What is aggro?

And I've just realised Mephiles is more balanced than I first thought, his attacks don't deal ring damage

And that means that Super Sonic and Movie Super Sonic are good against him, particularly if everyone apart from you is playing as him

[marsh notch]

Basically aggressive/aggression.

[marsh notch]

Also I'm still struggling to decide if Mephiles is OP or not. A level 16 Movie Tails lost to 3 Mephiles players. Why? MT had around 5 DARK CLONES on him! 5! I think there should be a maximum of 3 that can cling to you.

[undone jacinth]

I'm starting to think that the Stalking Shade upgrade is a guaranteed chance to pick up 2 or 3, depending on how far you upgraded Mephiles.

I mean, I was watching a video of Mephiles gameplay and not once did the 3 pick up failed.

[proper locust]

why is it guaranteed to get x2 or x3 stalking shade when upgraded even though it says "Chance of picking up 2 Stalking Shade" not "Guaranteed Chance of 2 Stalking Shade"

[desert kindle]

Welcome to SFSB.

[civic bronze]

I Think that mephiles is pretty OP but not as op as infinte when he first released. I Believe that chances of picking up 2X stalking shade should be a lvl 12 upgrade

[undone jacinth]

Or they just ran out of text space to put in the word "guaranteed".

[desert kindle]

Pretty sure they can make the font smaller. Reminds me with the upgrade desc of Frozen Chopper Chomp.

Oh and Brutal Blitz.

[crisp viper]

Meph gets hard countered by movie tails/super sonic too much to be OP tbh.

[tropic gulch]

honestly mephillies is semi balanced, main issue is when you encounter multiple in a lobby it become a mess, alone though it’s not as big or an issue

[hot drum]

His boost feels like complete garbage ngl

[tropic gulch]

yeah it’s terrible

[hot drum]

It feels equivalent to running on ice

[tropic gulch]

his moves need more stun and ring loss too, but just add a longer delay between each so the character is less spammy

also decrease the duration of the boost, but increase its speed

and maybe an increase to 9 speed since the character would be insanely disadvantaged on maps lacking items, and would still have to play aggro on any map just so he doesn’t get out speeded

—- this message says it a bit better than I did

#💬chat message

[hot drum]

Getting 4 clones on one person is only possible if the player isnt playing the game and you keep getting hit

Thats where they want the main damage to come from when you get 4 on them and they lose 40 rings but thats never happening 9.9/ 10 times

They need to change that to at least 3 clones or completely rework that (wont happen)

At least they got his rarity right though cause it can be challenging as hell to get back ahead of everyone when the boost has a speed of 2mph

More like Mephiles the shart if you ask me

[waxen wind]

no need to reduce the duration to increase his speed since his boost doesn't last at all

also has a huge delay

[tropic gulch]

True it’s pretty short

[covert urchin]

I think the problem with mephiles, or multiple in a match is the fact it's no longer skill or anything like that. It's just luck to a certain extent now.

Hopefully they handle next months character better

Also, is it just me that can pick any other character and then you're paired with normal people, but the moment you pick mephiles to try and play you get a lobby full? Lol. They botched this to hell and back

[cerulean trail]

That just happens when a new character is out everyone wants to test, Also do you remember when everyone was movie super sonic that one time?

[covert urchin]

Oh that's true. Absolute mayhem everywhere lol. I haven't been part of this community long. I think movie knuckles was my first introduction to the game.

This is my first encounter with a "big" character release.

[cerulean trail]

Ah ok 👍🏾 yeah these challenger people go crazy cause almost everyone has them maxed out already than there’s a flood of them lol

[covert urchin]

Oh absolutely. I still favor metal sonic and shadow. So next month is a good one for me haha.

[bleak crater]

If we want to win a race with mephiles we must spam, this char was made for that reason

[rocky grove]

So what do you think about mephiles?

[bleak crater]

Spam for the win

[rocky grove]

Yeah i have him at lvl 5 he's not very fun

You just spam

[fast hornet]

I’ve been having more success just getting lead early and then just using nothing but shield than doing anything else with Mephiles.

[bleak crater]

You dont lose any rings if u get hit by his skills and they do low damage, he can only slow you and block your skills

His boost looks ok, maybe they could nerf the number of skills dat he can use from 3 to 2

[simple flame]

im not gonna lie he’s kinda underwhelming and infinite is arguably better

[tropic gulch]

very true tbh

[marsh notch]

Honestly IDK if he's broken or trash
My Longclaw destroyed him twice but then I use Sir Gawain and lose because of Stalking Shade spam

[tropic gulch]

Pretty mid character just annoying when there’s multiple in a lobby

[marsh notch]

honestly his swarm attack should be limited to like 2, as well as having a better warning that it's approaching you because as soon as i hear the laughs they had already hit me

also i still think the timing on the stalking shade is really weird, i don't know how to explain it but it always feels like it drops early when it actually doesnt

[vagrant sapphire]

Rework mephiles 👍

[haughty mango]

I still think we're not going to get an accurate idea of his power until we have more lobbies with only one of him. Multiple mephiles lobbies feel like the winner is purely rng but playing AS mephiles is sorta underwhelming.

[flint holly]

i'd say have the mephiles clones drain rings until you use an item, but then he'd just be broken probably

[limber swallow]

Mephiles it's broken the Game :v

[tropic gulch]

something like that could be interesting, a ring drain mechanic (would counter mss)

Would definitely have to lower the amount of spam ability though

[crisp viper]

Perhaps you should be able to stack clones even if the person is immune? Prob not the best idea though, maybe with a 1 second immunity timer (shorter than the immunity to damage timer)

Meph isn't that fun when there is a super sonic in every lobby that instant wins when 50% done with the race

His boost could easily be buffed, cosidering it has a channel time (1 second?) to even activate to be invinc. If he gets hit before he becomes a pool, the boost ends.

[limber hill]

His items shouldn't have such high chance of multi pick up

Seriously it's ridiculous as hell

[crisp viper]

I don't mind his state if they wanted to play it safe. But imo he needs a slight adjustment (although I only have level 14, not 16)

[empty shuttle]

So, nearly 2 weeks into Mephiles debut. How good does everyone think he is currently? 1-5. 1 being very easy to play against, 5 is him being broken like early Infinite.

[tropic gulch]

solo - 2

[limber hill]

3

Leaning to 4

[quasi parcel]

I think they're eventually going Nerf him so much that no one's going to use him anymore like infinite if you know what I mean

[waxen wind]

how to rework mephiles

decrease the amount of swarming darkness. increase the damage of swarming darkness.
increase the speed of dark embrace and reduce the delay

well at least that's what i suggest

[marsh notch]

He doesn't have damage on anything

[desert kindle]

||Magical Boost and Captive Light: ||

[outer remnant]

He’s really underwhelming, considering he’s supposed to be a challenger character it seems he’s much weaker. Not worth the grind at the current state and is not even in the same league as infinite or other specials. His play style is not fun and is just annoying to play with/against at best. TLDR; annoying not threatening

[rich dew]

Mephiles needs a rework :))))

[desert kindle]

I don't mind the rarity, actually. I prefer balanced chars no matter what the rarity is.

[rustic hemlock]

He's really underwhelming

His attacks don't feel strong at all

They all need more stun

[desert kindle]

Only Swarming Darkness' is light.

[formal verge]

Make damage powerful

[covert urchin]

100% this. Multiple in the same lobby goes from some skill required to like, the level 1 winning who's not playing because all mephiles are slowed down and item blocked lol

[normal lily]

I think mephers is a good counter against characters with strong items
(So not espio and vector)

[crisp viper]

2

[crisp viper]

If this is for swarming darkness, I Agree. Ability should just deal more damage.

I'm surprised all his attacks aren't heavy damage considering he can't take rings.

They could also make his swarming darkness unique, and when you get hit, you don't flash and get invincible for a few seconds, and can get hit by more swarming darkness/other attacks.

[marsh notch]

I believe his attacks should have less of a pickup rate

By themselves they're not much

but when the mephiles is getting max pickups or is with another one in the race it gets very overwhelming and unfair for anyone in front who isn't a super really

[tropic gulch]

They should change his item priority

You get shield before you get stalking shade it’s really annoying

Such a weird character

[hot drum]

Yes its like they intentionally want you to lose

Im glad this discussion seems to have people actually agree on what needs to be done compared to the darkspine mess

[marsh notch]

I find it stupid how he gets a high rate of getting two stalking shades and swarming darkness. It could be super annoying to other players because Mephiles players can easily spam and abuse the moves. Leaving other players with a disadvantage of using anything to protect themselves or fight to first place.

[haughty mango]

This has been my experience a lot of the time. I've seen very low levels winning races they'd otherwise not even be a factor in because of how wild it gets. I do agree with the other person who said he's annoying but not overpowered.

[tropic gulch]

Yeah it’s a really flawed character

He’s not op, but the only way to make mephilles good is by spamming abilities since it lacks in other areas

[rich dew]

He needs a rework tbh

[tropic gulch]

yea idk why they would design a character all about spamming 🥲

[rich dew]

He deserves to be good 🗣

[rich dew]

HL MONEY

[marsh notch]

Mephiles seems to be zap-trap spam but as a whole character

just gets worse the more hits he gets

[simple flame]

they should change the amount of clones u need to 3, it’s impossible to get 4 clones on someone, i have barely seen anyone with just 2 clones on them, hes just so underwhelming

[winged bolt]

his skills function, removing item almost same as Shadow, but worse

[hallow dew]

Well every time that player gets an item they use it they remove a clone so unless somebody is playing against 3 mephiles it’s near impossible

And his boost isn’t invincible, it’s got serious problems, you can get hit during it and it takes away your boost for a significant time

[hot drum]

The startup for the boost feels longer than it should be ive gotten hit outta it more than i can count

But it seems like they are at least trying to balance new characters now and not make them dumb broken but I’d still want my moneys worth. Glad i didnt go crazy on red rings for mephiles

[rustic hemlock]

His boost feels like it's around the same speed as Invincibility

[rich dew]

His boost is decent tbh, In my opinion

[thick grove]

Kind of, they should reduce the startup

Imo atleast

[rich dew]

They should fix his boost delay, I hate when it happens and getting hit by attacks before I even boost

[marsh notch]

🤣

[marsh notch]

There should be a little delay but as much as speed break, not how it is now. I mean I think the boost delay is the longest in the game

[lyric chasm]

?????? NO

[rich dew]

Mephiles literally needs a rework

My guy is tacky

He feels op and not at the same time

Tbh his only annoying cause of the spam but his swarming darkness damage(stun) is wack

He needs rework, they just made his character spammy and that's because....MONEY

[desert kindle]

For real, it's a thing in this game. The game should tell us stats of items.

[marsh notch]

I know

[marsh notch]

It's like movie knuckles where it doesn't tell you that you have a chance of picking up two of the punch things at level 12

[desert kindle]

Or Audio Assault that doesn't tell about chance of picking up multiple.

Or Whirlwind that doesn't tell about damage increases.

[desert kindle]

Or Hedge Maze too.

Or Ice Wave that can't attack 7 lanes even though the width can be increased 3 times (according to the desc).

Or Firework Flurry that doesn't tell about guaranteed double at its first upgrade.

[desert kindle]

Soul Surge too at its last upgrade.

...

[robust lotus]

Being honest here.
I think Mephiles is pretty balanced overall. His attacks don’t take rings but do destroy items, which I think is a fair trade. But there is something I would like to say:

• Fix the Stalking Shade timing. ( Sometimes I move as soon as it spawns and I still get hit, which is just busted )
• Make it as soon as you use his boost. You can’t be hit at all. ( Sometimes I’ve been hit before he even becomes the dark puddle )
• Make his boost immune before he transforms into the puddle. ( Some attacks cancel it before you can use it )

But overall, he’s a nice addition to the roster. And maybe make his Shadow Form playable. ( The form before his Crystal one )

[rich dew]

Tbh in my opinion, He's not balanced, He's actually wack

He almost become a anti-super, he's stalking shade needs to lose rings so supers are having a hard time to transform and if that's op, they need to give it a reaction time cause stalking shades are spammy

Also his swarming darkness stun is kinda wack, what they need to do is get rid of the pick-ups or nerf it's chances and then buff it's damage

The boost is fine, it's decent but fine.

[robust lotus]

Now that you mention. Yeah.

When you say wack, do you mean he’s garbage or not?

[rich dew]

Also when Mephiles is first, he cannot really attack supers from behind( yah the stalking shade does but it attacks random rivals so its not guarantee) they have to put stalking shade a ring lost when the rivals take damage

[rich dew]

He doesn't feel like a challenger at all, yah he's spammy but he has alot of flaws that needs to be fixed

[robust lotus]

Yeah. Once a super can go, well, super, you can’t really stop / beat them at all unless you are extremely far in front.

[rich dew]

My fav character deserves to be good 🗣🗣

[robust lotus]

He feels like a rare.

Not really challenger.

[rich dew]

You have to be at the last so you can spam supers with swarming darkness
But even that, supers can still use their boost cause it doesn't take rings at all

[rich dew]

He feels like a special tbh

Not rare lol

He ain't that low to be rare lol

[robust lotus]

His attacks feel like a rare character is what I meant.

[robust lotus]

And even that’s hard enough.

[rich dew]

Yah

ReworkMephiles

[robust lotus]

If a super is first and your last, you have no chance.

[rich dew]

In short, supers can easily counter Mephiles

[robust lotus]

Actually, let me put it this way. If a super is in the race. Good luck winning.

[rich dew]

He already removes items, he only needs ring lost so he can become the perfect anti-super

[robust lotus]

I feel like the stacking effect isn’t really good too.

Even trying to land a stack effect just feels like luck.

[rich dew]

Stalking shade got a decent damage, but it's freaking fast and spammable, it needs a reaction time and gave it a ring lost just like with gamma

[robust lotus]

If you only have your boost, yeah it’s painful. But all you have to do if just wait till you get another item then yeah.

[rich dew]

They can take another item and sacrifice it instead of their boost, supers can still win

[robust lotus]

Either nerf the supers ( Mainly they speed ) or buff Mephiles with a ring lost effect when he hits someone. That’s what needs to happen.

[rich dew]

They already nerf the supers, its just that their really op

My guy needs a rework 🗣🗣🗣

They have to fix him

I literally used all my rsr for my boi cause I love him

[robust lotus]

You know he isn’t a good character if DarkSpine can recover faster on Mephiles attacks than other runners.

Trust me, it’s true.

DarkSpine takes forever to speed up again. If he can get up from Mephiles’ attacks that fast, it’s over.

Fix Mephiles.

[rich dew]

I'm sorry, I didn't get it....

[robust lotus]

So you know how DarkSpine takes forever to get back up to max speed when he gets hit?

If Mephiles hits him. DarkSpine picks up speed within a second. Unlike other characters where he takes several seconds to pick up speed.

[rich dew]

Hmmm...go on

[rich dew]

Because the swarming darkness doesn't even deal that much damage

[robust lotus]

Not just Swarming Darkness, but all his other attacks too.

[rich dew]

His stalking shade deals decent, his boost literally deals more damage than his stalking and swarming

Long story short: HL have to fix Mephiles

[robust lotus]

Stalking is decent, but his boost and his other attack feel extremely down graded from the bot version.

[rich dew]

I don't wanna regret leveling him up

[rich dew]

Shadow nerf (no I'm not talking about shadow)

[robust lotus]

I’ve won most games against Mephiles using DarkSpine. Which shouldn’t be happening while Mephiles is a challenger.

[rich dew]

I think they did that on purpose to know what the players feel about him

[robust lotus]

Yeah, I know which one you mean.

[robust lotus]

They could as least buff it a little, they didn’t need to decrease it that much.

[rich dew]

No, losing and winning against a challenger is normal,it's the same for other characters

[robust lotus]

It’s feels like a scam.

[robust lotus]

Bot ver.

Which I’ll say had a pretty challenging AI.

But in short, here’s what needs to be done.

[rich dew]

Even anyone can beat infinite

[robust lotus]

• Fix his attacks so they make opponents drop rings.
• Increase his boost and Shadow attack.
• Increase the reaction time given to dodge Stalking Shade.
• Make it easier for him to beat Supers. ( Supers just destroy him )
• Increase the damage when he hits a rival.
  Anything else?

[rich dew]

Mine is kinda clearer lol

[robust lotus]

I’m just doing a draft list.

I’m just explaining it in one sentence.

But we can both agree, he need a massive buff?

[rich dew]

He needs fixing yes

[winged bolt]

stalking shade target all rivals but reduce number of pick ups so that have higher chance hitting someone at back ( especially supers characters)?

[rich dew]

So here's what they need to fix

Swarming darkness damage buff with ring lost, but get rid of his pick-ups completely

Put a Ring lost on his stalking shade but also put a reaction time on it cause it's spammy

Boost is fine, it's decent, might add a slight duration buff, but it's pretty decent

[remote loom]

it would be helpful if i didn't keep getting 25-27 out of event missions.

why am i not getting 35-50 cards at all?

i remember getting 30 cards once, but that's it

[rustic hemlock]

Yes

[golden stratus]

Genuine question do you think he needs a buff or not
You keep agreeing with every post that calls for a buff but then you also keep suggesting nerfs

[rich dew]

I got mix feelings about him as I played and played him

[rich dew]

My opinions of him changes

[tropic gulch]

Mephilles prolly needs buffs and nerfs

[rich dew]

This

He needs a buff and nerf

[tropic gulch]

mephilles isn’t op but it’s because the character is so spam reliant it can feel very strong and annoying

[rich dew]

Btw I'm sure on this

[rich dew]

Yup

[golden stratus]

Yall need to communicate that part better tbh, only agreeing with the buffs doesnt really give that impression imo

[rich dew]

Ok so....I think they need to fix his tools, Mephiles has alot of flaws for a challenger

[golden stratus]

As a side note
I definitely dont want him to be buffed just off the logic Super can easily beat him
If he does fine vs everyone else then that’s more evidence Super needs a nerf, not evidence that Mephiles needs a buff

[rich dew]

I expect him to be a really good character, but he's only annoying cause of the spam but it's stun damage is kinda eh

You had to stack four clones of him in order to deal a great damage, but tbh it rarely happens cause your rivals easily can sacrifice an item

Also the stalking shade, I think they need to put a ring lost on it, in order to atleast stop supers

Oh also about the super, I find it obvious that Mephiles is meant to be a anti-super, but he's not really a good counter for them, even supers can literally be chillin in the back while collecting rings, and the stalking shade doesn't help either cause you only need to sacrifice an item, supers can easily sacrifice their other item

Oh also I forgot to mention that stalking shade only attacks one person at a time

I'm not the only one thinks he needs a buff

[golden stratus]

How is he meant to be an anti-Super when he basically has two projectiles and neither of those take rings?

He is like the least anti-Super character in the entire game and I find it hard to believe that they’d give something this kit with these traits if that was their intention

[rich dew]

His attacks literally destroys your items, to his projectile to his boost, I find it pretty obvious since this type of tool kit can atleast stop a super from transforming

And also that's why his stalking shade needs a ring lost

[sweet panther]

Nerfs and buffs aside, I gotta say I absolutely love the look of Mephiles' dark embrace, where he turns into a "pool of darkness"

[golden stratus]

That’s not how you’re supposed to beat Super Sonic
If you’re relying on him not being able to use his boost when he’s already in 1st then you’ve already lost. This goes for any character.

[rich dew]

I'm talking about lost opportunity, they could have give stalking shade or swarming darkness a ring lost, He's almost the perfect counter for supers

And if thats op, get rid of swarming darkness pick-ups, given it a damage buff with ring lost

Also stalking shade that also took rings, too op? Give it a reaction time like the one with
Kj

Boost is fine tho

[golden stratus]

Mephiles is by far the most oppressive towards the person in 1st (too oppressive I’d say)
Super spends most of the game in 3rd or 4th and then clutch boosts you
Pretty obviously not good vs Super Sonic on paper even before you get to it taking no rings

[rich dew]

Also stalking shade has a pick-ups tho

[rich dew]

That's why stalking shade need a ring lost,

Listen....stalking shade with a pick-ups ofc, put a ring lost to it(like with gamma)since it has pick-ups and you can summon many shades,but since it only attacks one person at a time, it seems pretty fair(with also the reaction time)

Also swarming darkness with ring lost that also deals more damage, but...since that's too op, It needs to get rid of the pick-ups

Oh also, I'm not saying he's a good counter, I'm saying his almost a good counter cause of the destroying items but no...his swarming darkness only does a little stun, and not just that, supers can easily sacrifice their items

That's why I'm suggesting a ring lost on his attacks

And like you said before, supers tends to go fourth and 3rd, that's why it putting ring lost to it can be efficient

[golden stratus]

An attack that targets 1st or if you’re in 1st 2nd won’t help you at all vs a character that sitting in 3rd or 4th no matter what it does

[rich dew]

It also targest people on last

[runic ivy]

The fact that people are saying this character is bad or balanced is beyond asinine.

[tropic gulch]

it’s not op just extremely annoying

they gotta make mephillies less spam reliant

[crisp viper]

I gotta get level 16 to get a good sense of how good he is, as being level 14 is a huge disadvantage imo in a normal race.

[fast hornet]

Honestly, despite how much spam Mephiles can do, I usually win more if I don’t spam. The majority of my Mephiles wins have been {use 1-2 projectile + boost to get to first —> shield whenever threatened —> step one if needed}.

[spare surge]

I'd say you're actually not disadvantaged at lv 14, as far as his skills go. You already get a chance of 3 Swarming Darkness at lv 10 and 3 chance of Stalking Shade at 12.

15 will increase your rings and 16 will increase chance of 2 Swarming Darkness.

[solar sedge]

Final Thoughts on Mephiles
- Character highlights why Super and MSS need a nerf and Mephiles inadvertently buffs them as a result
- Multiple pickups on a 3 lane projectile should have never been a thing
- Stalking Shades timing is all wrong and it possibly needs a pickup nerf
- Start up frames for invincibility boosts are needed, I don't know why people are saying he shouldn't have them. Every character with an invincibility boost but mTails has them
- If his attacks are fixed I could understand a possible buff for ring damage but he definitely doesn't need that as they currently are

[desert kindle]

Super Sonic Form immediately gives invincibility too.

[quasi parcel]

Yeah but when super shadow comes next month?,it's gonna be bad if you actually think about it

[mental crescent]

that's just gonna make everything worse 💀

[quasi parcel]

At least someone agrees

[primal fjord]

they need free win so they want him buff

[primal fjord]

I'm sure pretty all invincibility boost works like that except for twin tails boost

[primal fjord]

they clearly not understanding what your saying

[haughty mango]

Mephiles seriously needs to be reworked to actually be able to hurt people.

This playstyle is kinda not it

[quasi parcel]

Your not wrong

[toxic wedge]

I've come to realize that memphis' boost is just basically invincibility but a different color =/

[quasi parcel]

But whenever I use his speed boost I get hit and he stops using it

[toxic wedge]

That's because for some reason like 2/4 of the things duration is him starting it up

[light night]

mephiles is so broken because he wins everyone 1v1 by spamming trap

[spare surge]

I was actually surprised that I managed to get into a few games that didn't have more than 1 earlier in the morning. 1 is manageable, but completely chaotic with more. The Stalking Shade spam is made worst because of the inconsistent speed in which it hits.

[haughty mango]

I think I'd find him way more OP if it was either easier to stack clones on people or if there was more of a penalty to opponents getting hit/killing a clone. Like the rouge trap costs rings to free your slot again and that slowdown feels real sometimes. I think the 3 lane attack could probably be a bit slower or reduce pickups to 1 or 2 and the trap absolutely has to be fixed animation wise because its just not really fair right now

[quasi parcel]

Thing I don't like about it is when he used the one that falls upon you it'll be a cloud of smoke then he does it again and you can't see the other one

[spare surge]

Reduction in size as well as the purple cloud would be nice too. The spam makes it nearly impossible to see what's going on.

[haughty mango]

I agree that's also an issue. Visually it's just a mess

[spare surge]

It's too much. Everything involving Mephiles is too much. Too many pickups, too much going on visually with his attacks, too much spam.

[quasi parcel]

Especially when you're trying to dodge enemy attacks then that smoke or just gets in your way and you can't see crap

[spare surge]

Indeed.

[crisp viper]

Prob should be able to stack clones even when invuln (when you get hit). If it's an issue balance wise you can reduce the ring loss from 40 to 30.

[sullen prairie]

Mephilies is annoying, and when everyone is playing as him, spamming the Stalking shade, it's unfair. Not just because sometimes it hits when I clearly see I am dodging it, but the move stacks as well.

[waxen fable]

I mean you can say the same thing about a lot of ditto matches or you will say a full match of infinite/rms/mss are pretty fair?

[sullen prairie]

No. Even if everyone were just playing one character, the frequency of spammed attacks is too high, and the match too chaotic.

[spare surge]

I find it easier to dodge all of that spam over Mephiles'

With Mephiles, it feels as though dodging doesn't matter. Still get hit no matter what you do.

[sullen prairie]

Stalking shade is especially proof of that. I swear I can dodge it, and it still hits me.

[fast hornet]

That's the thing though. It might be near impossible to dodge everything Mephiles throws, but how much damage is that actually doing? Usually I find that it's not much, both using and playing against Mephiles.

[sullen prairie]

Mephilies attacks don't drain rings, yes. But imagine constantly getting hit, being unable to boost at all.

[spare surge]

He doesn't need damage at this point. Destroying items means you can't attack others or even him.

You spend most of the race losing items so it doesn't stack.

[fast hornet]

Clearly I have a much different experience here. Usually I'm able to dodge enough of his stuff that I can drop whatever few clones I get and still use items.

[sullen prairie]

Not to mention, if you're lagging behind and constantly getting hit, you can't boost at all to try and keep up.

[spare surge]

The only good counter right now is to try and lag behind and clutch at the end. Supers can pull it off the best.

[waxen fable]

Again this happens in a lot of matches (full mss/storm/ms) , i sorta agree stalking shade needs a better hitbox but in everything else mephiles its pretty subpar

[fast hornet]

Again, it just feels like I have opposite experience to you. I've had the best experience getting to first early and just shielding everything, and if I get far enough Mephiles is stuck using slow boost instead of attacking.

[spare surge]

Can also depend on the character you're using.

[fast hornet]

True. I've been using Tidal Wave, Mephiles himself, and Percival (Percival the least of the three).

[spare surge]

It's not so bad against 1 Mephiles. 2 or more is usually the problem though. I don't want to see any character get nerfed into the ground, but his current kit/item pick up chances needs to be looked at. Along with the visuals and inconsistent hits.

[rich dew]

So many lost opportunity on his attacks

He literally can create dark energy balls, release shockwaves and make dbz like energy spear from his hand, but they just gave him a bunch of clones like breh 😔

[sullen prairie]

The clone things are the core of his fights in Shadows story.

[spare surge]

^

[fast hornet]

The inconsistencies between the animations and the hitboxes definitely are an issue, no arguments from me there. I also honestly think he would more fun to fight and use if he had less pickups and more damage - maybe also decrease clones needed for max effect so that it isn't completely impossible.

[sullen prairie]

Shadow needs to attack them to be able to use his chaos powers and hit him.

[rich dew]

Naw that's not an excuse bro

[spare surge]

It's not an excuse, it's literally in 06.

[rich dew]

No, I'm talking about them being creative on his items

The clones are cool but...come on...the spear could be his stalking shade like kj

[rich dew]

Mephiles also use energy balls in the game while fighting shadow

[spare surge]

I think letting his pick up chances should be reduced to 1 for Swarm, like all other 3-lane attacks. To replace that, let him apply more clones with his lv ups since he depends on denying others their items.

[rich dew]

They need to fix him

[fast hornet]

That sounds fair too, though also maybe a minor increased stumble since the current damage on the move is weaker than lightning.

[rich dew]

Bruh wrong lol

[spare surge]

I don't think the stumble needs any adjustments. He's already denying you items, so you can't retaliate if he passes you.

[rich dew]

Fixmephiles

[fast hornet]

yeah, point.

[rich dew]

I just wish they will fix Mephiles, cause he has alot of flaws

[fast hornet]

Got to say though, I do like that we had an actual civil conversation on this rather than a typical internet argument. Thank you.

[rich dew]

I agree

[hexed oyster]

Having played with mephiles now in lobbies that don’t have 4 of him spamming lmao how would u guys rank him compared to the other challengers

[sullen prairie]

Frustrating.

[upbeat dawn]

Mephiles is totally frustrating to race against. just swarms of spammy stalking shades that effect you even if they don't hit you. Needs less pickups but stronger effect.

[lone knoll]

Sound like a skill issue

[upbeat dawn]

[sly nova]

i think i know who the spammer is

[upbeat dawn]

Yes, the issue is no skill needed to spam hit a multi pickup, multi hitting auto mine whose animation doesn't even match its hitbox.

[haughty mango]

I think something along these lines would keep it fun for everyone

[haughty mango]

I kinda dig this idea too honestly.

[remote loom]

card drops are too small!

no way you can get him to level 16 in time

[spare surge]

Maybe not for max, depending on if you use the vault or not, but the drops aren't too bad to get to a decent lv. You definitely need to try and do the missions whenever they're up and collect as many Challenger chests in the beginning though.

[waxen fable]

Im spending 5 rsr and 25 from time to time and i almost can level mephiles to lv15

[simple flame]

here’s what i would do:
remove the whole clone idea and just make normal attacks, because i kinda dislike the whole clone thing because it’s literally impossible to put 4 clones on someone, let alone getting 2 clones on someone.

Swarming Darkness: Deals more damage, Steals 10 rings, decreased chance of picking up 2x, remove the chance of picking up 3x and reduce the speed by a bit

Dark embrace: Decrease the cooldown, Increase the speed, give it a little more duration and make it steal 10 rings

Stalking Shade: Damage is already good, Make it so that it takes 5 rings, increase the time u have to react, targets 2 rivals and decrease the chances of picking up multiple stalking shade

(Swarming Darkness and Dark embrace Steals the rings and gives them to you, Stalking Shade just removes them from the rival)

MAYBE I would still keep the corruption effect, but they stack and u can only get 3 on you (and you can’t get damaged if u stack max) and make it take 2 seconds or less to remove them.

Alternative option:

Decrease the clones needed to get ur opponents to 3, and so that it slows you down or so that it takes a sec or something when ur removing a clone.

also PLEASE fix his animations, it looks like he’s breaking his legs

[quasi parcel]

They also need to fix it because he does has the same animation as infinite I've noticed and I don't like it I think he should have his own unique entrance thing or whatever you know what I mean

[marsh notch]

y'all dont realize your oppenent will do anything to keep the clones off them💀

you'll almost never get 4 clones on someone because most items they pick up they'll use to remove the clones

getting 4 clones on someone is big damage and -40 on rings and that literally would end their race

sounds too dang cheap to me

[runic ivy]

"BUT NINJA, Mephiles is bad and not OP ENOUGH!!!!"

[limber hill]

Which one is it then?

Is he broken, just annoying or downright bad?

[rich dew]

Just annoying

[remote loom]

I'm spending 5+25+50 each time and I can't make it past level 13 yet. it's gonna take me 4 days to reach 14

[winged bolt]

Mephiles is not broken as expected after playing few days, the stun effect of his attack is not as strong as the bot one

[upbeat dawn]

Stalking shade can hit you even if you're two lanes away

Seems kinda broken to me.

[simple flame]

annoying and bad

[upbeat dawn]

No skill required

Seems to be a common thing with new characters lately. Wonder why.

Constantly hitting stalking shade on every item pickup is extremely effective and completely mindless.

Looks like I'll need to take another hiatus from this game.

[remote loom]

i wish there were no multiple pickups in this game ever

[runic ivy]

It is quite astonishing that people really think this character is bad, underwhelming, and in need of buffs.

Like this should be so obvious this guy is busted 😂

[gleaming quiver]

Infinite all over again

[rich dew]

As much as I love Mephiles but.....I prefer infinite in this game

[marsh notch]

would be cool if he had his own animations honestly

instead of infinite's

[quasi parcel]

Bruh fr

[lofty jackal]

maybe normal memphis becoming memphis roc or something?

[quasi parcel]

Idk I wish he would have he would his own unique entrance and what ever else bc hard light just copied and pasted infinite but just different powers s

[marsh notch]

Ok I know everyone's saying that he needs a buff
I just think he needs no 3x Clone Jumpscare pickup and no multiple wave pickups

[inner falcon]

Yea Actually Yes!!!

[quasi parcel]

Does anyone know when those player banners was coming out just out of curiosity

[desert kindle]

#📱screenshots message

[quasi parcel]

Thanks

[simple flame]

then he would be worse than he already is

[wary kiln]

mephiles the dark is too up compared to the other characters, i don't like him too much

[mental crescent]

thats exactly the point except hes not even bad

[simple flame]

he’s not bad but neither good, he deserves a buff, some special characters are better than him, even nerfed infinite is better

[haughty mango]

100% agree

[desert kindle]

||Which nerf doesn't make a char worse?||

[rich dew]

I think....atleast give his stalking shade a reaction time cause it's really fast

Like kj but slightly faster

(But they gotta have to put ring lost in it yah know? Hear me HL )

[rich dew]

ᵁⁿⁱ ᶜʳᵉᵃᵐ 👀

[desert kindle]

It was meant to be rhetorical. Technically, a nerf obvi makes the char worse.

[rich dew]

Ohhhh, sorry I didn't realize it hehehe

[raven wigeon]

Broken pay2win

Swarming Darkness is way too fast and it’s 3 lanes?? Not to mention it takes your next item. What a joke. Oh, and you can pick up three? What are they thinking. It didn’t used to be this way. I have been playing since 2017 and they just keep upping the anti and it’s to the point where everyone plays the same 5 overpowered characters. Please…I hate to see this happening.

[pseudo sundial]

Unfortunately mephiles is a little extreme in my opinion as well. The 3 laned attack should be a one use like ice wave and infinites wall. And then a max of x2 on the spam ability trap. If your gunna leave it at 3 like tomb stones from metal reaper atleast buff excaliburs king judgement to a x2 pick up.

[coral copper]

Bro

Silent

You here

Number 2 in Australia

[formal verge]

Mephelis needs a big booster

Like darkspine

That would make him as balanced as others

[topaz otter]

I'm going to be completely honest about his powers

all of them need a massive cooldown before being spammed, for example, one Mephiles attacked me and spammed all of his attacks onto me, kinda unfair when being spammed. and it needs a huge adjustment

the cooldown? preventing items, rather then just slowing them down and destroying the weapons, why not do what Metal Sonic does, we don't need to be slowed back to a zero speed and regain momentum, it's rigged from the get go.

I highly suggest Hardlight fixes this storm of spam attacks and losing streaks from the game

[barren pecan]

Just watched a Super Sonic struggle for his life while getting blasted with "no item" over and over again and I gotta say Mephiles is great as a direct result of the ability to just, if only for a moment, make every brain dead "4th to 1st in the blink of an eye see you at 5.8k MINIMUM" SS feel something like fear

[formal verge]

Just

Dodge

It's not that hard

Also fear is mephelis's asthetic so that's why

[last saddle]

His boost needs to be buffed all this start up to go no where, that's his only problem. People just don't want to dodge and jump and just want a cruise to the to the finish line with some other busted character.

[limber hill]

I wish it was as simple as "just dodge lol"

[mental crescent]

to those who lack the ability to argue with constructive criticism and wanna keep clapping back with "just dodge"
recommend watching this and telling me whether you consider it okay or not to have to "just dodge" this much
#⏺videos message

also stop involving personal character choice unless the original poster is involving it themselves whether directly or indirectly
it's not any more or less polite to try to call people out for using cheap characters and its embarrassing if you're wrong 🙂

[viscid laurel]

Yeah Looks like a normal amount of dodging required to me

[last saddle]

Just jump and dodge

[viscid laurel]

Mephiles is hardly the first character where you require a bit of dodging, and I highly doubt he’ll be the last, it’s nowhere as bad as Shadow, Amy or unicorn cream

[haughty mango]

I agree that the spam isn't fun but I don't think a situation where you're fighting 3 of the character is a really fair way to criticise the kit tbh. You could do the same thing with a lot of characters. I hope he's looked into and buffed where he needs to be and nerfed where he needs to be but I've said a few times that multi mephiles is an rng mess but not a good measure of how good he is

[rich dew]

Just use holy water on Mephiles, He's a demon god afterall

[limber hill]

How am I supposed to dodge an item that has a broken hitbox?

[rich dew]

Holy Water~

[lone knoll]

SFSB Complaining About Another Character Moment:

Epik Embed Fail!11!1!!11!?!1?1!1!1!11??11?

[sly nova]

OMG1!1!1!1!1!1!11!!1!!1!1!1!!11!!1!1😰😰

[runic ivy]

watch delusional individuals only gonna look at the corkscrew section and be like "Y0ur ProViNG mY P01nT!"

oh wait-

[upbeat dawn]

I think it’s totally fair to criticize a character with 3 of the same, in fact, it helps highlight the problems with said character. Just because other broken characters exist, doesn’t make another broken character any less broken.

[mental crescent]

even in a world where one mephiles wouldnt be trouble but 3 in one race would, the judgement is still applied

if 3 in one race is a problem in both frontrunning and staying in the back then there is a problem

also is the fact he's an rng mess when multiple are present in a match not a valid concern?
is it okay to involve that big of a degree of rng in races?

[rustic hemlock]

[rich dew]

Yah they definitely need to nerf froggy

[light night]

you cant even jump over his trap lol

[rustic hemlock]

What trap?

[sullen prairie]

I think they mean the wall attack of his?

And I can say with experience that Stalking Shade has hit me at times where it really shouldn't.

[rich dew]

His attacks doesn't go through walls bro

[sullen prairie]

The three lane attack I mean.

[rich dew]

Ohhhh....yah

[sullen prairie]

It's like it's own moving wall of 'screw you' to players. Until it hits an actual wall and stops anyway.

[light night]

I meant shade

i just refer to all 3rd item slots as traps

[formal verge]

Just Dodge

Lol

Doesn't need a nerd actually needs a buff for the boost and damage

[limber hill]

You're not being serious are you

[rich dew]

to those who lack the ability to argue with constructive criticism and wanna keep clapping back with "just dodge"
recommend watching this and telling me whether you consider it okay or not to have to "just dodge" this much
#⏺videos message

Sorry, I have too

[formal verge]

Looks dodgeable

They're just aren't moving when the attack pops up

Or jumping over the things

You can't just play badly and say "this is proof that mephelis is OP!"

[limber hill]

🤦‍♂️

I sure do love dodging an item that has a broken hitbox

[formal verge]

You just move to the left or right

I don't see the issue

[rich dew]

Dude....can you dodge all if Mephiles attacks keeps spamming you swarming darkness next to next?

[formal verge]

Yea

[rich dew]

Without any hit

[formal verge]

It's not like they're on all 4 rows

[rich dew]

Wanna test it out? Only one match cause I have a test

[formal verge]

Ok

[rich dew]

Alright imma send you the code hold on

[formal verge]

Alr

[rich dew]

Welp, I'm right, you can't just say "Just dodge"

[sullen prairie]

That is 100% true there. Why the heck are there people going "Just dodge, lul." in regards to him?

[tiny token]

I guarantee you that dude is carried

[quasi parcel]

Another thing I don't like about him is when his shade comes floating above you but yet you dodge it and yet it still hits you it's really annoying

[last saddle]

Your too slow

[golden stratus]

Because that’s what people say when they have no good arguments

[quasi parcel]

No it's not that it's just that when you're in another aisle on the stalking shade right next to you and it'll still hit you

[golden stratus]

I have seen people say “just dodge lol” about stuff like pre-nerf Captive Light, pre-nerf Infinite, Rainbow Blast now, etc

Even if you present a video where something was basically impossible to dodge

[quasi parcel]

Ngl seeing people say "just doge" just gets in my nerves because not everyone can dodge his attacks

[golden stratus]

Even if they present a video where they cannot dodge it themselves

Not gonna name drop but I’ve seen someone say “just dodge lol” about pre-nerf Captive Light who got hit by like 6 in one game

[quasi parcel]

Fr like stop not everyone can dodge

[mental crescent]

its not even a matter of whether you can dodge it or not anyway, "just dodge lol" peeps are completely missing the point when they say that
if there was no ability to dodge it flatout it'd be broken no debate
its about how fair the amount of effort you have to put into doing so is

[golden stratus]

Them saying how you dodge it or why you should expect to dodge it is apparently asking for too much

[mental crescent]

not only is their argument bad and lackluster it's also dodging the biggest bulletpoint everyone is mentioning

[golden stratus]

I dont even think Meph is as op as some of the other “just dodge lol” characters or the past or present but if that’s all you gotta say then you have no argument, straight up

[mental crescent]

its like they wanna desperately make it personal by the easiest means possible because they apparently never learnt how to discuss things

[golden stratus]

I’d legit rather see “Mephiles is my favorite character and I want him buffed to be the most op thing in the game” rather than “Just dodge lol”

[quasi parcel]

Ur not worng

[mental crescent]

shoutout to this guy for going completely silent btw

go figure what happened

just wish people actually brought up arguments no matter how asinine they are, it's a lot less annoying than telling people to get good and leaving it at that

[golden stratus]

Nah rafa you clearly have no skill and that’s the issue

[mental crescent]

yeah ignore the fact i couldve stopped playing on day 20 and i'd still be top 10 rn 🗿

[golden stratus]

Those 7ks and the fact you’ve had the global champion role for like 2 years straight is irrelevant you just need to get better

[quasi parcel]

Fr people be complaining about how good they are but when they start recording or have a personal race they have like no skill and I'm not trying to be rude but just stop and tell the truth no one is gonna juge u

[mental crescent]

i only consider 1 of those as legitimate

because screw tangle (the character)

also i missed august 2021 because i tilted while going for 6.9 on day 30 (stupidest idea)
that was it though 🗿

[golden stratus]

I mean even if you’re a tier 1 player or have never won a game in your life, as long as you have something to back up your argument, it’s still better than having an argument that starts and ends at saying ppl have a skill issue

[last saddle]

Heres my arguemt. Compare any character released to release infinite, and remember that he wipes them all easily. I don't think anyone who was playing or facing release infinite was thinking just dodge. It was more like "heh here's this wall imma send in 3 lanes u can't jump over and dont have any time to move to the one lane that's open and one copy of me for each opponent that you have to avoid and when it's all said and done since ss is moving Mach 2 down the track I'll move Mach 4 down the track for half of the damn track. Lol." while memphis is just spam. with a boost that has all this startup to go no where down the track, and he doesn't take rings until he gets 4 stacks of ghosts on you while your thanking the gods for even allowing 2 stacks to get on the opponent. There is no playing catchup with mefiles. He doesn't take rings so it's either frontrun or lose. there is no in between or no second option. Thats why more then likely he stay where he is rn. That's my argument.

[quasi parcel]

Yeah ppl just starts arguing for no reason and like u said as long as u can back up the argument you'll be fine but ppl has no reason to start a argument those ppl just need to stop I think that they just want attention and if u want to argue just don't do it here it can or could get on ppls nerves

[mental crescent]

just because mephiles's boost isnt a gift sent from heaven doesnt mean the character itself immediately has a "not threatening" label above it's head

yes, the boost is nothing special and it does take a while to get the invincibility itself actually kicking in (much like all other invincible except twin-tail boost (god knows why)) but keep in mind this is also the only invincible boost in the game that can damage people to any extent which is already a massive plus

while his attacks don't real ring damage, the multiple pickups make up for it and arguably make things infinitely worse. no ring damage means you cant do anything to super sonic and while this also highlights super's own unfair mechanic, it also means everyone has a lesser prevalent chance of doing something because mephiles kicks in and makes everyone's experience worse

my personal opinion:

• make the projectile slightly slower, cap it at 1x pickups and give it 10-ring damage; upgrades would all be damage based
• make the trap more predictable than it is now and give it a hitbox tweak; as it stands a lot of laggy hits are done since it seems as even if you're out of it's lane, it hits you anyway
  remaining changes are the same as the projectile ones

[simple flame]

how about, removing the multiple item pickups for swarming darkness, and so that you can pick up 2x stalking shade maximum, make them do more damage and take rings and make the boost longer and faster, and remove the clone idea, so that you can put 3 on someone but they don’t deal damage they can just disable your items, and they make u a bit slower when removing. That would make him a little better and at the same time make it so it isn’t just a “who can spam the most” character.

[runic ivy]

shoutout to this guy for going completely silent btw

[wise linden]

This one definitely deserves a nerf, it's hyper broken XD

[simple sandal]

Mephiles is Broken....

needs an urgent nerf

💀

[rich dew]

A rework is better

[sullen prairie]

I'm sorry. But how is Mephilies with three of the 3 lane shades, switching lanes and firing them rapid enough to cover all lanes easy to dodge?

[limber hill]

The fact a 3-lane projectile has an almost guaranteed chance of triple pick up should be a massive red flag

[sullen prairie]

It is. And it makes the idea of dodging difficult. Even more so if they have all 3 slots filled, and use the item so they get a refresh on it when the hit the next one.

And then if you're in a match with 3 Mephiles, then you multiple the 3 lane attack X3 pickup by 3, and the impossible becomes even more impossible to dodge.

[desert kindle]

*Steal cannot be dodged.
**Super Sonic Form immediately gives invincibility.

[sullen prairie]

Super Sonic or using an invincibility as Classic Sonic or Knuckles is the only exception. Not the rule.

However, there may be a chance if you're ahead of Mephilies that you only have a normal shield, which would only be 1 free pass.

[quasi parcel]

Yeah but then he'll get another one of his attacks and hit you

[sullen prairie]

Thats why I said a shield is one free pass.

[pseudo sundial]

Agreed. The red flag could be seen from the moon…..
3 lane attack at x1 like ice wave. It takes out badniks which speeds up ur ring advantage if u aim for badniks.
And a max of x2 on the spam attack at lvl 16. Have abilities deal dmg. Leave boost as is. See how that travels…

[blazing garden]

I think the 3 lane attack was for the AI only and left it in on accident...at least I'm hoping that's it.

[formal verge]

Buff mephelis

[rich dew]

What makes you changed your mind? Just curious

[formal verge]

I just lost using mephelis and the boost is weak, and the knock back is really low for all attacks

[rich dew]

His boost does need a duration buff, and get rid of his delay

[formal verge]

Yeah

[normal lily]

The delay is really annoying

[simple flame]

i think you forgot how little damage it does, and its fair that many pick ups and fast projectile gives you a ring advantage, because there is literally no coming back if you fall behind because the boost is terrible

[pseudo sundial]

I didn’t forget it’s why I even suggest giving dmg to it. Just need those stacks reduced because 2 or more mephiles in a race is discusting atm. Plus with dmg to an ability that forces you to waste an item and those debuffs stack up to 3, I don’t think the boost should get too much of a buff. You could quickly over power him

[rotund creek]

He should have been better than Pre Nerfed Infinite upon release. Now he’s not even better than Infinite in his current state.

[wheat drift]

As I said, Infinite>Mephiles

[rich dew]

Damage on infinite, but on Mephiles, I prefer his tool kit(no,not because he's spammable)

[wheat drift]

Well, let's just say there a reason infinite has a sticker and mephiles doesn't....

[rich dew]

Stop pushing it

[wheat drift]

Lol

[winged bolt]

I also prefer Mephiles skills ( destroy items which user try to use)

great concept but need some rework

[rich dew]

Yeh

[next galleon]

What level did you folks get Mephiles too? Just got mine to 13 tonight

[limber hill]

12

I was thinking of buying the last chance vault but

I doubt I'll use him frequently so there's no point in spending real money

(Though letting all those rings go is going to hurt)

[winged bolt]

Max, I use him to grind trophy

[rich dew]

11 for me

[somber thorn]

2

[soft spade]

I can get him to lv11

[simple flame]

16

[normal lily]

10

[mental crescent]

card-wise, 14 just barely thanks to today's free gift (vault included)

[sinful sandal]

Card-wise, almost 13, so far i just got him to lvl 12

[sweet panther]

Mine's up to 10

I generally love Mephiles but I guess he could be toned down a bit

[next galleon]

I got 13 and decided to stop there.

Next time the mephiles event comes around, I'll probably try to get him maxed.

[zealous harness]

Who thinks that the stun needs a lil nerf¿

[fast hornet]

Mephiles has the weakest stun in the game, what? And he’s already getting a stun nerf.

[sly nova]

yea he does

[zealous harness]

When I was hit in the 1st part of the event I was stunned like 10 seconds

Not gonna talk about the 2nd part

[fast hornet]

The event bot had everything powered up by like 20x.

Playable character has the weakest stun in the game.

[zealous harness]

Mephiles doesnt have any damage/stun upgrade, isnt he?

[fast hornet]

No, only pickup rate upgrades.

And I guess duration for the boost.

[zealous harness]

Swarmming Darkness Speed is faster than lvl 8 SS ☠️

[fast hornet]

I mean, so is ice wave. And fireball. And any other attack with that level of speed. Matter of fact they are faster than level 16 SS.

[zealous harness]

I agree

[topaz cedar]

I managed to get my Memphis Tennessee to lvl 14

I’m satisfied

[sinful valve]

Mephiles, it has something a lot in common with Tails Movie at its launch, being so strong at low levels, it's like you have a strong character without having to evolve,
another point is when there are two mephiles in a race it is almost impossible to have an unstable race where you can at least show some kind of skill, the character is only characterized by the Number gigantic clones, which makes the games boring and tiring.
I hope it undergoes some balancing and decreases the chance of so many massive clones, for matches to be legal again for everyone.

[simple flame]

nah what 💀 you want the attacks to do less then they already do? they barley even stun you

[lunar eagle]

3 Mephiles vs Super. Happy days.

[pseudo sundial]

Give his abilities dmg, reduce swarming darkness to one pick up {x1} and make his clone ability max of x2. He’d then have a 3 lane attack and a unique ability that drops sorta the same as KJ or dead end

[last saddle]

Congratulations you just made him worse then infinite.

[sour carbon]

He is op

[rich dew]

This

Swarming darkness, buff its damage and put a ring lost but...get rid of the pick-ups

Stalking shade also put a ring lost and give it a reaction time cause its spammy(this is only the one with pick-ups)

Boost is good, just get rid of the delay