Mephiles the Dark

[hot drum]

Wait why??

[mental crescent]

because its how they go about challenger events

you have the team vs event and when it ends you unlock the character

as long as youve stored 500 cards already anyway

[hot drum]

It looks like they had to rush out his third ability animation

The minion looks like it was animated in gmod or something

[celest finch]

Parts of 06 looks like it was done in gmod

It fits

[hot drum]

Good point

[marsh notch]

Lol.

[golden stratus]

Very early thoughts - I don’t think his attacks should have multiple pickups

[fast hornet]

The clone seems fine as a multi-pickup since it's basically just lightning with maybe different targeting, but multi-pickup wave might be a bit much. We won't know for sure until Mephiles is playable though.

[golden stratus]

It seems like a faster Balkiry or Laser Blaster (with the side effect ofc)
Not really a move that should have multiple pickups imo
Same deal with his projectile, no other character with a 3 lane projectile has multiple pickups
Have a feeling that’s gonna be too spammy and I think 1 could get the job done for M’phyllis without flooding the entire track

[fast hornet]

Well the thing about Balkiries or Laser Blaster is that they target everyone at once, rather than just one person. That's why I don't really have an issue with it. Unless clone targets everyone?

[golden stratus]

It does target everyone

[faint heart]

[marsh notch]

Plus, with tracks like Mining Mayhem, that would already hinder everyone who is not Mephiles.

[golden stratus]

If it didn’t I would be fine with it having multiple pickups but that’s not the case

[fast hornet]

Ah, was not aware of that. I thought it was single target since I only ever got targeted by it when Mephiles was either in first and I'm second, or if Mephiles was right behind me.

[golden stratus]

Maybe it depends on the level idk, I was getting hit by it in 3rd tho earlier by a Level 14 bot

[ornate nest]

I’m pretty sure it targets everyone, that’s what I’ve seen in matches

[fast hornet]

But yeah, targeting everyone probably shouldn't be multi-pickup. Could also be the bot cheating, sometimes uses items before item boxes even appear after all.

[golden stratus]

The trailer shows him sometimes getting a double pickup for both so I’m basing it off of that

[marsh notch]

Seriously not good.

[quasi parcel]

I just feel like once every unlocks him it will be just chaos

[remote loom]

i won't be able to wait 1 week before i can unlock mefalos

[marsh notch]

Yep. Lobbies will be filled to the brim with him around, along with Movie Tails and Super Sonics. Also Metals and etc.

[quasi parcel]

Ngl I'm kinda scared

[opaque mirage]

[remote loom]

maybe he should be unlocked after 3 days. it's long enough that way

I'll mention that if they do a survey about the event

[opaque mirage]

Honestly people should unlock him as soon as they have enough cards

[lethal hollow]

Mhm

[opaque mirage]

Kinda annoying to handle it that way

[viscid laurel]

[quasi parcel]

Wait doses any remember that movie knuckles Challenger problem

[remote loom]

what was the problem

[quasi parcel]

If you had enough cards and he's available he wouldn't be unlocked

[remote loom]

oh

[viscid laurel]

yeah i remember that bug'

[opaque mirage]

Yes this was a small bug

[viscid laurel]

the event got extended because of it

[remote loom]

reduce time needed to unlock mephiles

i hope mods see this

[viscid laurel]

once mephiles is unlockable all those chests stop appearing

[quasi parcel]

Probably

[quasi parcel]

Yep

[celest finch]

Launch Infinite was still far worse than this

[quasi parcel]

Yeah

[viscid laurel]

the bot was too good

despite it falling in pits

[quasi parcel]

This bot for mephiles is ok

[remote loom]

the bot was bad.
the real problem began when ppl unlocked him

[celest finch]

Infinite bot wasn't good

Infinite was just really broken

[quasi parcel]

Yeah

It's a good thing this bot isn't as broken

[hot drum]

The bot was trash

And his 1st ability should’ve been that move he did that killed sonic

All his abilities basically have the same sort of passive effect which is remove and item

Shouldve done something different with his 1 or 3

[cinder oar]

Poop

[quasi parcel]

I wouldn't say "kill" I'd say nock out

[celest finch]

He died though

[hot drum]

Buddy was dead

Dead as hell

[quasi parcel]

Did u play the actual game

[hot drum]

Si

[quasi parcel]

Well he didn't die he was nocked out and moved to space

[hot drum]

Lol sure

Not gonna argue over that

[quasi parcel]

Hey that's just how I see it I'm not tryna argue

[celest finch]

He literally got stabbed by an energy beam

He was practically dead

Maybe not fully

But he might as well have been

[hot drum]

Nah wait hes right. I remember i once was impaled by a knife and was simply knocked out

[verbal cipher]

Mephiles attack essentially corrupt your objects 💀

[atomic nebula]

One week to get Mephiles?

[rustic hemlock]

Infinite was just a nightmare

[verbal cipher]

how many points was needed to unlock Infinite?

[waxen wind]

does not depend on that

[marsh notch]

Man he's really the dark

[verbal cipher]

... OH RIGHT, I have to wait until the event is over

[marsh notch]

Three.

Or nearly three.

[fast hornet]

3 weeks for the missions, just 1 week to gather challenger chests.

[haughty mango]

I agree, Attack speed or multiple pickup are the ones to look out for imo.

[mental crescent]

i think both in conjunction make it worse honestly

actually all three factors

• it targets all 3 players
• it goes down really fast
• it can be picked up multiple times

not to mention the debuff it provides
his trap is the most cracked out aspect of him hands down

[marsh notch]

Catastrophic.

[haughty mango]

He certainly seems capable of snowballing a lead if he hits you

[marsh notch]

Vine Boom

[sly nova]

🤨

[marsh notch]

Probably means constantly keeping you behind while he gets the easy wins.

[haughty mango]

"The snowball effect is a psychological term that explains how small actions can cause bigger and bigger actions, ultimately resulting in a big impact. Imagine a snowball that is rolling down a snow-covered hill. It starts off small, but as it gathers more momentum, it picks up more snow, making it larger and larger"

If meph can spam easily, he can lock you out of utility right from the start and potentially keep you from catching up given his ability

[sly nova]

💀📸

[marsh notch]

Or simply, the more snow is put into a snowball, the bigger it gets. All you have to do is gather snow and put more to make a bigger one that hits even harder.

This is what Mephiles can do, just spam Stalking Shade and make the lead gap bigger.

[haughty mango]

I actually think the idea of waiting to get 2 items so you can choose which to burn to get rid of the debuff is an interesting idea but if he can stack it too easily it would be pretty uninteractive for opponents and therefore problematic

[marsh notch]

All players have to do is just get the projectile and trap, then spam the trap, then boom, easy money.

[haughty mango]

Please go outside

[sly nova]

just did

[soft spade]

Tbh just like all these "drop on top" attacks (like lightning and KJ) it's still easy af to dodge

[opaque mirage]

💀📸

[soft spade]

it's just a bit harder as it's faster than both

[mental crescent]

it's more overwhelming cus it targets all 3 and a tad faster than it should be for what it provides imo
i'd be fine with reduced pickup chances with 2x being the most possible

[marsh notch]

And it hits much harder than both.

[plain gull]

Pure chaos

[fervent trout]

Just wanna shout out Hardlight for a pretty enjoyable event so far. The rings from the victory chests and missions are much appreciated and I really like the way the normal menu music cuts into the Mephiles theme. Good work guys, keep it up!

[formal verge]

How do I summon mephelis

I'm not getting him in matches anymore

[quasi parcel]

You don't summon him he appears at random

[sly nova]

you'll get him at times, he just appears at the track

[quasi parcel]

Exactly

[storm yoke]

Horrible character, can't even kill Sonic within an instant 0/9999 stars

[sly nova]

W

[vivid trench]

Bot can dodge

[marsh notch]

You haft to wait until the event ends to unlock mephiles right

[raw niche]

no, only until its halfway through

once the vs event ends everyone will be able to unlock

[formal verge]

That's stupid

Can metal sonic steal his items at least

Also meph deserves a good boost

His boost sucks rn

[opaque mirage]

He cant steal from the bot

[timid lotus]

wow Metal stealing Meph’s items sounds kinda broken

[raw niche]

nope

been trying all day
cant steal from the mephy bot

[marsh notch]

If he could, everyone would just use Metal Sonic throughout the whole phase.

That would be completely borderline unfair for everyone who is not Metal Sonic since their items could also get stolen, preventing them from catching up at all. Not to mention how they will unnecessarily suffer Mephiles' attacks too.

[worn kindle]

it makes him invincible

[sly nova]

his boost is decent wym

plus it makes him invincible

[formal verge]

Yeah but it's nothing special

It should be like

A darkness boost or smth

Smth cooler

[robust lotus]

Has anyone else realised that when Mephiles uses one of his attacks, he gets a brief bit of invincibility?

[sly nova]

yea

[raw niche]

that is literally what it is

[marsh notch]

If it was a dark and/or no-flaw mix between Speed Break and pre-nerf Phantom Dash, he would be even more ludicrous.

[sullen jackal]

If he can spam his 3rd attack. You forgot about that?

[waxen fable]

Again , for what reason you will stay still when mephiles uses any of his attacks? And if you dont know he can't combo you with his attacks because the i-frames covers you before you get hit again for whatever reason

[rigid osprey]

i just loaded up sonic forces today to see what battling mephiles would be like and gee whiz . that guys tough!

not only can the item-blocking abilities stack but i think they make you a bit slower, which is tough considering mephiles is already fast.

the cards i've been given are really generous though, i already have like 150+ and i just booted it up this morning :^]

oh and another unrelated point

the events atmosphere is insanely good and pretty threatening considering who we're going up against haha

[sullen jackal]

Try dodging if he can get it multiple times and loop it. Like infinites clones

[undone jacinth]

Already got my 500 Mephiles tokens. And now we wait.

[worn kindle]

yeah just don’t play if you’re facing infinite and mephiles in the same match

[sweet panther]

I love this type of event where we're all in it together. Let's get him!

[hazy shell]

We'll show that freak the REAL SUPERPOWER OF TEAMWORK!

[marsh notch]

What if I'm the weak boi in that race?

[worn kindle]

you are spared

[marsh notch]

And what if I'm using Longclaw and beat both the weak boi and Memphis?

Mephiles is a pain in the as

Mephiles just robs you

[marsh notch]

Give Mephiles a Super Boost, but let it take no rings. Let it last for the whole track.

[worn kindle]

darkspine

[terse vessel]

Bro infinite + mephiles is too strong

[marsh notch]

People seriously overestimate Infinite

[terse vessel]

Nah. Still #1 imo and he becomes a menace on any of the mystic jungle maps

[marsh notch]

Infinite and #1? Where have you been the last months?

[terse vessel]

I could give you a literal answer but I'll just say that I just think he's stage dependant and a slow starter, but once he gets going nothing stops him

[marsh notch]

That's the thing: He's good at first or front, but he can't catch up because of his bad boost.

There are literally chars like Movie Tails, Tangle and Percival etc who are all much better than Infinite

[remote loom]

feedback for vs events:

apply a logarithmic scale to the score bar, so that when both teams accumulate high numbers towards the end of the event, the bar won't appear to be in the middle as if it was a tie between the two teams.

[marsh notch]

That makes no sense

[terse vessel]

Actually it does, having a scale instead of the two bars can help more clearly see who's winning in near tie scenarios (see Excalibur vs Gawain)

[marsh notch]

The scale is not to show who is winning, but to show how near or far away the team is

[opaque mirage]

What Do you expect from someone who is named buff supersonicform🥴

[remote loom]

exactly, a logarithmic scale would help do that

[marsh notch]

No? It will make the illusion that, when it's very close, that it's very far away

[remote loom]

i meant to keep the two bars as they are, but with a logarithmic function

[remote loom]

no matter what the score is, beyond half of the event, the bars would graphically appear as a tie.

so it's practically useless during the second half of the event

[marsh notch]

The bars appear graphically as a tie because HL makes sure that at the end of an event the points are near to each other

[remote loom]

no, it's because the scores at the end are something like this

20,000,000 vs 20,500,000

500,000 is a big number

[marsh notch]

Unless it's the Movie Sonic vs Movie Knuckles event, that one was one-sided

[remote loom]

but on the scale it's graphically discarded

[marsh notch]

Because it's still near procentual

[remote loom]

when you have both a logarithmic scale graphic bar, AND the actual numbers written, you would have a better understanding of the score

search on logarithmic score on YouTube

[opaque mirage]

The score is manipulated you dont need to understand more

[remote loom]

true dat

i wish it wasn't like that

[marsh notch]

The thing is though: If you make it logarithmic, will the players understand it's logarithmic?

[sullen jackal]

And make it so Mephiles appears in every race so i dont have to throw the race and lose on purpose

[opaque mirage]

^

[wheat drift]

Infinite #1

Memphis #🤓

[marsh notch]

>

[covert bronze]

Mephiles seems to be a good character for this game, OP but no annoying

[desert kindle]

Probably will be super annoying when he's playable.

[covert bronze]

Probably he will get nerf after he turns playable

[tired goblet]

Oh he won't. And i bet you he will stay like that for a month or 2 b4 hardlight even consider nerfing him

[raw niche]

didnt the last challenger get a nerf between parts 1 and 2 of his event lmao

[covert bronze]

Whatever he will be nerfed soon or late

[quasi wing]

I know you from somewhere

[fierce cloud]

Back infinite event 😔

[fast hornet]

I can see the pickup chance being nerfed, but I don’t think the attacks themselves are too bad for now. Clone swarm could use a better audio cue though.

[marsh notch]

Or worse, three months.

[runic ivy]

Mephiles is OP. No question or debate.

His trap is probably the most dumbest thing about him given how crazy the hitbox is and the fact he gets multiple pickups with it is even dumber. It’s almost difficult to avoid and obviously is frustrating. Same for his projectile, but is least annoying in my experience.

And his gimmick with his corruption effect as of right now is rarely effective (because we’re racing a bot) but when everyone gets their hands on this character, I can this gimmick be a common thing given how many Mephiles players are in a race.

Mephiles is probably S tier and is easily one of the best characters in the game.

[light night]

I dont understand how his effect works

[rich dew]

This ☝

[desert kindle]

Don't forget the trap targets all opponents from what we've seen.

[light night]

when you use a item when affected you get slow down? Or if you hold onto it for too long

[fast hornet]

Each corruption stack stops your next item from working.

[marsh notch]

X/Sad Face tier is more like it, but yeah, he is unquestionably OP and the new meta.

[fast hornet]

You use the item but nothing happens.

[rich dew]

You can't freaking jump when you get hit by the stalking shade, in short, the stun and the damage output

I love him

[light night]

But how come i randomly get slowdown when using items?

[desert kindle]

That slowdown is probably right after getting hit.

[rich dew]

Stun

[rich dew]

Yeah

[runic ivy]

When effected, your next item will be destroyed when you try to use it, and it gets destroyed based how many times you been hit by his attacks (Example, get two stacks of corruption, two items are destroyed)

If you get hit the fourth time after the third from his attacks if you somehow fail to get rid of the effect, you lose 40 rings and take insane damage

And yeah the slowdown is after you get hit from any of his attacks. Not when u try to use an item under the effect

[rich dew]

Wait wait wot_?????

[marsh notch]

And let no one forget a hacker will get their hands on him like every other new character.

[rich dew]

Not just that, even if you're not using an item, you still haven't got a choice since it still destroys your item

[desert kindle]

I was hoping we can also get rid of the clone by just waiting. But no. 🥲

Must sacrificing items.

[rich dew]

We must sacrifice our item 😔

[runic ivy]

Yea it crazy Lmaooo

[rich dew]

Can't wait to actually play him

[runic ivy]

Im sure you do lol

[rich dew]

🤣

[quasi wing]

Watch how Mephiles gets beaten by Super Shadow next month

(Or Super Shadow gets beaten by Mephiles 😭😭)

[covert bronze]

Now I wanna see SS and MSS in trouble with Mephiles

[marsh notch]

Griffith.

Oh, nevermind, I misread "item" as "team." 💀

[rich dew]

Second

[marsh notch]

Its you

[marsh notch]

Memphis dittos will be pain

[lethal hollow]

Can someone tell me how to unlock mephiles

I got 520 cards

[covert bronze]

You will need to wait

[lethal hollow]

Oh

[covert bronze]

He is still a bot

[lethal hollow]

:/

So i hot to wait till the 6 more days are over

Got

[covert bronze]

Probably in a couple of days he will be available

[coral copper]

Bruh imagine 4 in 1 match 😎

[pliant trout]

Way too dark

[marsh notch]

3v1, .

[empty shuttle]

Edgier than Shadow and Infinite?

[sly nova]

here's a better answer

no one!

[fringe flame]

?

[soft spade]

[junior path]

[verbal cipher]

My internet connection it's My biggest Challenge with Mephiles

I Lost too many marches against him because of it

[topaz cedar]

Memphis Tennessee is pretty balanced

[true isle]

So balanced

[timid lotus]

how many cards we all got so far?

[lone knoll]

▶️

[rich dew]

Two op mfs

[vivid trench]

Bot got upgrades

[rich dew]

The bot becomes sentient

[vivid trench]

That just be creepy yet interesting

[opaque mirage]

IKR

He got so much better in dodging

[rapid edge]

I feel like Mephiles is pretty good right now, but, as soon as the 5 y/o's get their hands on him, it'll be carnage, I'm sure. Possibly even worse than the Infinite event.

[rich dew]

Damn 5 yr olds 😔😔😔

[pulsar valley]

The fact that an ai using Mephiles the dark that would occasionally run into obstacles is still difficult to play against it means carnage once people start using him

[rich dew]

I'm gonna main the shi out of him and Idgaf

[timid lotus]

i hope it’s just that the bot is souped up

cuz this in the hand of real players

[rich dew]

Spoilers: the character itself is souped up

[marsh notch]

Oh it won't just be the 5 yr olds, the many soon-to-be Mephiles mains too

[rich dew]

👈This person right here

[marsh notch]

Yeah I know you said you were gonna main him

[rich dew]

[marsh notch]

Ok but seriously I'm starting to wonder if there's either a real person playing or if the bot has some sort of AI algorithm or something

Because the bot's getting better at dodging

[rich dew]

He dodges my fireball twice

[marsh notch]

And all my Lightnings and King's Judgements

[rich dew]

He dodges my gathered flame

he literally jumps

[marsh notch]

HE JUMPS OVER GATHERED FLAME? YOU CAN'T JUMP OVER THAT!

[rich dew]

This AI is real

[marsh notch]

Are you sure you weren't vs a hacker too that match?

[rich dew]

It's a Mephiles AI, it's not a hacker ಥ⌣ಥ

Next thing he gonna do is go to your house and steals your money

Tbh we already doing that for him

[covert urchin]

5,284 here. What about yourself?

[marsh notch]

IK but I meant are you sure you weren't vs a MSS hacker in that race too?

[rich dew]

Nope

[marsh notch]

Ok but you're saying he just jumped over Gathered Flame?

Wait was it the large pillar one or the short 3 lane one?

Just making sure you're talking about the right item

[rich dew]

Nope, he sidestep

Probably just a coincidence

[marsh notch]

Ok you said he jumped so I got worried

[rich dew]

Lmfao

Well he did dodge my fireballs twice

By sidestepping

[marsh notch]

Ok but should I mention the amount of times he dodges my RW?

[rich dew]

I knew it, Mephiles is real

[marsh notch]

?

[worn kindle]

he what

[timid lotus]

dang! i’m only at 1k

[marsh notch]

He's dodging literally every lightning I use, jumping over almost every Cyclone Charge, oh and not to mention all the warps he just flat out jumped over only to retaliate with his wave

[timid lotus]

that’s terrifying

[marsh notch]

The only item I see him consistently get hit by is Captive Light

[worn kindle]

ultra instinct mephiles

[rich dew]

My exact reaction when Mephiles dodges my attacks perfectly

[marsh notch]

Which means we've all gotta use Tikal to stop him

[worn kindle]

would the bot theoretically even be affected by captive light

his boost is invincible so not like captive light could stop that

[marsh notch]

True but for some reason it's the only item he consistently gets hit by

[rich dew]

Tikals flashbang

[fast hornet]

But doesn’t captive light not actually deal damage? And the blinding effect doesn’t do anything to a bot?

[rich dew]

Yah the flashbang doesn't do any damage, tbh her flashbangs are meh

[sweet panther]

Who is the best defense against Mephiles? I'm seeing a lot of people saying Super Sonic ...

I'm mostly just using my usual faves so far.

[worn kindle]

why would people say ss

in fact you shouldn’t use him considering the fact that mephiles can hit you pretty easily and destroys your items which are essential to making sure you can catch up

i’m pretty sure his attacks don’t remove rings but that slowdown isn’t exactly helping either

[rich dew]

This ☝

I was supposed to say that ss isn't really a counter to Mephiles, since my guy can stole your items

[soft spade]

I swear i've seen meph bot fall into pits

[worn kindle]

i mean i wouldn’t say he’s “hard to play against” rn

more like annoying

primarily when you’re hit

and it doesn’t happen much with the bot but the clones can stack so

imagine people spamming stalking shade

every single match

[fast hornet]

I mean, as soon as Part 2 of the event drops, player Mephiles in every match. 2+ going to be…chaotic, to say the least.

[worn kindle]

averaging 500 cards a day shouldn’t be hard if you have the rsr for it so

expect lvl 9+

[fast hornet]

Yeah, and while I definitely appreciate the rings in the event, it’s going exacerbate the chaos because everyone will actually have the funds for those level ups.

[worn kindle]

well i only have like 150k+ so

i obviously did not prioritize rings during prepping for the event heh

[fast hornet]

Ah, yeah, not everyone wants to - or has the time to - crazy grind. But I’ve already gotten 200k rings from these last 2 days alone.

[marsh notch]

Probably improved AI.

[desert kindle]

Yeah, probably. Can't be the first case.

[sweet panther]

Yeah, I dunno, I haven't tried it yet. Shadow was my fave during the Infinite Wars but not sure who's the most suited to battle Mephiles. Saw one person say Silver ...

[grizzled iron]

I've personally found that MT is one of the best counters to Mephiles because of his invincibility boost and the ability to have two shields.

[sweet panther]

Right, thank you! I'll have to try that.

[marsh notch]

Oof, the previous meta.

[covert bronze]

He will be the most OP challenger(and he will be nerfed later ;-;)

[soft spade]

I still feel like if you have more than 1 item you can simply outsmart his effect

[covert bronze]

That's the better part, you can vanish the rival items

[fast hornet]

I’m only now realizing that Mephiles’ attacks don’t cause ring drop unless he’s allowed to land 4 clones.

[marsh notch]

Broken, right?

[viscid laurel]

Infinite works pretty well

The bot understands dodging replica but not reality warp

[marsh notch]

How many cards u will probably need to max him?

[marsh notch]

#💬chat message

[buoyant ferry]

3878 and about to play to get more!

[haughty mango]

I'm at 3680 right now

[winged bolt]

Mephiles is really broken, I encountered with super spamming Mephiles bot keep spamming stalking shade till to the point I can't use any items

[rustic hemlock]

Skill issue

[final cedar]

the

[rotund creek]

Lbo has an invisibility boost and 3 shields

[primal fjord]

can't really catch up if he get hit to much though

[rotund creek]

Yea but I think they was talking about protecting against spam

[primal fjord]

can't really help since you get 3 of each of his items

[leaden gorge]

If I started collecting mephiles cards today, do I have a low chance of getting him?

[leaden gorge]

HOWWW?

[haughty mango]

You should easily get 500 to unlock him if you just do a mission or 2 every 4 hours when they refresh

I'm doing like 5-10-25 and trying to consistently open crates because i want him as high as i can

I'd love to get him around 12-14 but it's going to be really tough. The last few levels of challenger require a lot of cards

[quasi parcel]

How much,do you know?

[leaden gorge]

How many creates a day?

Also thx btw 🙏

[haughty mango]

Check pinned messages in the main chat

[haughty mango]

Shoot im not even sure, as often as I remember to start one

[quasi parcel]

K, thx man

[leaden gorge]

So every 29 min?

[haughty mango]

Yeah pretty much

[leaden gorge]

Nice thx

[haughty mango]

I've been getting like 10-15 from chests and 25-32 from missions. 31 and 32 were outliers its usually 25 or slightly more

[leaden gorge]

Awesome!!

Gtg cya thanks again 🙏👋

[golden stratus]

I stand by what I said here and still think this will cause the biggest problem, but in addition I think his moves need more invincibility frames
Think they should at least give enough to they last until you get your speed back, it leaves you vulnerable for a bit too long

[rich dew]

Hardlight pls don't nerf Mephiles, he's fine

[covert bronze]

I guess his items well worked, it makes him more interesting

[desert kindle]

Swarming Darkness is wide (3 lanes), can be picked multiple, deals dark effect, and travels fast. Dark Embrace is invincible but also deals dark effect, the first invincible boost ever that can also harm opponents. Stalking Shade targets all opponents, can be picked multiple as well, deals damage fast, and also the dark effect again. Pretty sure lots of players will ask for nerfs.

[covert bronze]

The first time I see some boost with Invencibility and can cause damage too, and the other two items are powerful too, both of them can not just chase you with shadows, they can erase your items too

[desert kindle]

Yes. Other invincible boosts don't deal damage. Invincibility, Ring Portal, Tail Spring, Super Sonic Form, and Twin-Tail Boost. None of them deal damage.

[covert bronze]

Mephiles is the perfect mix of MT(pre-nerf), Infinite, and some characters with Invencibility

[rich dew]

Yes, I'm pretty sure many players would ಥ⌣ಥ

For some reason, I think if they ever did nerf him, they gonna nerf his attack speed

[covert bronze]

So please, if HL wants a character to be nerfed, Darkspine is the chosen for sacrifice

[rich dew]

The clones are fast asf

[rich dew]

Ayoo naww fam

Uni cream is the one they need to nerf

[covert bronze]

Nah she is fine

[rich dew]

Darkspine is pretty balanced

[rich dew]

No

Did u see her fart rainbows???

[covert bronze]

They needs to rework on Spring Cream, those damn Hazel still gives a damage

[rich dew]

Spring cream is like rock knucks but flowers

Yes, I'm calling him rock knucks

[covert bronze]

At least her boost doesn't give us damage anymore

[rich dew]

Her boost doesn't really give damage, but her rainbow trails flashes you

[covert bronze]

It is the minor of problems

[rich dew]

My eyes is burning

[desert kindle]

Not a Mephiles discussion, by the way.

[rich dew]

Wdym? Uni cream is actually Mephiles all along

[covert bronze]

Yeah,we are focusing on Mephiles

Leave the Goddess UC Cream in her place

[rich dew]

Sudden urge to draw uni Mephiles

[desert kindle]

Yes, please. 🙈

[rich dew]

[covert bronze]

Holy Jesus, I wonder how the hell would be if UC and MT merged?!

Probably a cursed image

[rich dew]

Hehehehe

Anyways...pls hardlight do not nerf Mephiles hard

You can nerf him but not too much

[covert bronze]

Yeah, nerf other character in his place

[rich dew]

ᵁⁿⁱ ᶜʳᵉᵃᵐ

[covert bronze]

SS and MSS, Spring Cream

[rich dew]

Spring cream is actually not that bad tbh

[covert bronze]

Darkspine doesn't need a nerf

[rich dew]

Darkspine doesn't need a nerf yes

[covert bronze]

His attacks is well balanced and easy to avoid so, he's out of question

Put Paladin in his place so

[covert bronze]

Do you mean, Treasure Hunter Knuckles?!

[rich dew]

Yeh

The Rock Knuckles

[covert bronze]

Thank God I thought you were talking about my pfp

[rich dew]

Ayoo? 🤨

[covert bronze]

Nevermind

[rich dew]

Lol

[covert bronze]

I'm going to sleep now, I will collect more Mephiles cards later

[wheat drift]

I can't take it anymore

Every other fmatch doesn't have Memphis

I'm losing too many points from avoiding gold chests

[primal fjord]

you must have bad luck i always get him

[rich dew]

Fr

[random creek]

The Mephiles event was very easy, 754 cards in 3 days

[sullen jackal]

A small price to pay sadly.

[mellow pecan]

They don't do damage if you get only hit 4 times by mephils minions and you didn't use skill you lose alot of rings that's what make him different

[rustic hemlock]

Nerf her

[rich dew]

Yes

[marsh notch]

HL please don't nerf OP characters or I will be very sad because I have no skill and can't win otherwise

[rich dew]

GOSP 😱😱😱

[rich dew]

I'm saying don't nerf him that hard, but he can still be nerfed

But this is funny

[marsh notch]

When people ask for nerf, we mean that the nerfed character should be nerfed to a balanced state

[rich dew]

That's what I'm trying to say, they can nerf him and be balanced, but nerfing him too much like what happened to werehog is kinda eh

[opaque mirage]

werehog didnt got nerfed too much lmao

he is still a top 10 character

[marsh notch]

Lol, Werehog is still a very good character

Previously he was so OP there was no other reason than Infinite to not play him

[opaque mirage]

Werehog was like: use him and get teleported to the goal

with infinite in the lobby; dodge his attacks in the first 10 seconds and get teleported to the oal

[rich dew]

Naww he was like S tier before but now he's A, In my opinion

[opaque mirage]

he was ssssssssss before

now he is s

[rich dew]

That's a lot of S

[marsh notch]

Infinite and Werehog were in space while others were underwater

[rich dew]

Z tier would fit

[opaque mirage]

probably not enough

[rich dew]

Naww infinite actually deserves that nerf, well...even tho with the nerf he's still op asf

[opaque mirage]

infinite is fair

[rich dew]

Idk, i think werehog isn't really that op, but more like balanced

[rich dew]

Yes, he is ಥ⌣ಥ

[opaque mirage]

get him in the beginning and he is done

werehog i would say could take another small nerf but thats not a priority

[marsh notch]

Then you are wrong

[rich dew]

Eh, He's fine by me

[rich dew]

Dayum

[opaque mirage]

they maybe could remove multiple dark blasts

or just make the duration a little bit shorter

[rich dew]

Multiple what???

[opaque mirage]

dark blast his projectile

[rich dew]

Yup, I'm totally that lv 5 werehog user

[rich dew]

I'm not saying werehog is bad tho, He's actually a pretty good character

[opaque mirage]

you literally said he got nerfed too hard

[rich dew]

Yah he got nerf but I didn't said he was bad

[lone knoll]

Lol just dodge his attacks :trolls:

[rich dew]

tips: listen to the laugh

[marsh notch]

K thanks

Lol me realizing it’s the 9th and i’m just now responding

[haughty mango]

You don't get multiple dark blasts very consistently and honestly with the current meta its harder than you think to use a character that requires staying in the same lane for quite a bit of time to maximize speed

I wasn't playing when he was originally added, i only unlocked him in the most recent recap but wh is fine imo

[marsh notch]

When you think a low levelled Werehog is fine, maybe a high levelled is still very very good

[wheat drift]

Lol, I have 2.2k

Oh wow that's a very old message

Damn desync

[haughty mango]

My werehog is 12

[leaden gorge]

Does the challenger chest event end on the 14th? Or the 27th?

[normal lily]

Mephiles has 1 weakness

||Elise's kiss||

But seriously, the only thing I can think of (as a mediocre player) is to somehow get an early lead, so mephiles spends most of the race boosting

[rich dew]

🤮

[rich dew]

Might be the best Mephiles counter.....metal sonk

[normal lily]

🤦‍♂️It never occurred to me to try and steal his items

[rich dew]

[normal lily]

So
That's ineffective

[leaden gorge]

Any advice to get better at dodging and planning when to use items?

[tiny token]

I feel like when we play as him hes gonna be a problem because stalking shade is very spammable and comes out very fast

[split matrix]

one word

Irritating

[fast hornet]

The shade feels like it hits before it comes down properly, makes it feel like I have more time than I actually have. A bit annoying.

Not a huge problem on its own, but when I need to try and time dodging it and other items being thrown around, well.

[worn kindle]

it does

it hits like

unbelievably fast

it feels like you get half a second to react sometimes

i already knew that the hitbox came before it actually went down

the part where it comes down actually isn’t a hitbox at all

you can step right on the lane while it’s shown to be going down all you want

[fast hornet]

Eh, half a second is an okay time window for a game like this (fireball jump window is a thing), I just want the animation and hitbox to line up.

[worn kindle]

it just feels like hell when you’re not in first getting hit by any mephiles item though

it slows you down so much

not to mention the clone which could delete your boost if you’re not careful

[fast hornet]

Also a louder sound cue for the clone wave would be nice, it’s hard to notice the laughing sound over other things.

[worn kindle]

also could just be me being bad but swarming darkness feels hard to react to as well, but that’s probably cause i’m always close to mephiles when he uses that

[fast hornet]

Well, Swarming Darkness (I’ve been calling it clone wave lol) is basically an ice wave with a currently easily missed sound. Not surprising it’s hard to dodge.

[marsh notch]

I’ve got 1.2k

[covert urchin]

8.7k here. Hoping to break 9k tonight!

[marsh notch]

Dang

Insane

[opaque mirage]

I already smell The gatekeep pain as soon as real players get him

[covert bronze]

It will be a suck, HL nerfs Mephiles due hundred of morons gatekeeping others

[worn kindle]

he’s op regardless

we’ll all see

[leaden gorge]

When did you start grinding for mep?

[covert urchin]

Thursday on release. I've been on vacation and hitting it hard lol

[viscid laurel]

I’ve got 8.1k

[covert urchin]

Oh nice! How are you doing on currency? Plan on upgrading asap?

[viscid laurel]

I got 1.6 million

maybe

[leaden gorge]

Nice I started yesterday

I should’ve set a reminder

[covert urchin]

Thankfully it's an incredibly long event. So even a late start someone can end with a bunch of cards saved up

[leaden gorge]

Does the victory chest thing end on the 14th?

[viscid laurel]

Yes

Missions are the main way to get cards so don’t worry

[sullen jackal]

Its started to occur to me that its insufferable that mephiles isnt in every race. Why isn't this guaranteed like Infinite? Or is it just me?

[desert kindle]

That's right. Not guaranteed to encounter Mephiles.

[sullen jackal]

Kinda idiotic if you ask me.

[opaque mirage]

^

[viscid laurel]

Nah

[opaque mirage]

Yea

Annoying when i have to quit races without a bot

[spare surge]

Anyone else having instances where Stalking Shade seems to hit instantly or even cover up a majority of your screen?

[thick grove]

me

[spare surge]

I'm not sure what's going on, but it seems to happen a lot lately. Especially in the Wisp and Emerald City tracks.

[rich dew]

They need to fix some bugs after the vs event ends

[deft summit]

Wait so is it possible to play as him right now

Or only when the event is over

[thick grove]

not now

in abt 4 days, yes

[quasi parcel]

There is 2 parts to the event and you'll be able to unlock him and play as him

On the 2 part

[deft summit]

Oh my god

Going against mephiles and gamma is hell

[quasi parcel]

Ong fr

[deft summit]

At the same time

Literally cannot see the screen

[quasi parcel]

Fr especially when mephiles it starts spaming his attacks

[verbal hawk]

As a gamma main who’s gotten him to level 10, I apologise on behalf of gamma mains

[fast hornet]

As a level 12 Eggman player, I also apologize. Balkiries aren’t as flashy as laser blaster but they still reduce visibility.

[cerulean dock]

How many cards until I unlock Mephiles?

Or do I unlock him automatically when the event ends and I have the right amount of cards?

Nvm I just read it

[tired goblet]

500 cards for unlock but right now he isn't available until the vs event is over probably

[leaden gorge]

Is level 12 a good level to stop at for mephiles?

[tired goblet]

I think any level is good with mephelis due to those movesets

[opaque mirage]

Its likely the Upgrade which gives the chance for 3 swarming darkness so i think yes

[leaden gorge]

Thank you

[wary dagger]

[leaden gorge]

Think I’ll get to level 16 with just the missions for mep?

[soft spade]

Tilted Towers

[leaden gorge]

How many challanger cards should I try to get in a day?

[quasi parcel]

The card drops are random,but what I usually set a small goal and then when I reach that goal I go I little bit higher

That's what I do

[empty shuttle]

Wait, I just now realized Darkspine isn't wearing shoes...

[leaden gorge]

But how much should I try to get in a day?

I have to eat and sleep eventually

[marsh notch]

Mephiles is annoying asf

[crisp viper]

1000-1200

[leaden gorge]

Should I collect the vault after every 100 cards or should I wait at the end of the event?

[crisp viper]

It doesn't matter. Currently I have 4000+ in my vault because he isn't out yet. I'll probably collect everytime I can level him up after he is released.

[leaden gorge]

Ahh ok thanks

I saw some dude with 10820 base cards and 10,820 saved in the vault, collected then it turned into the 21640 so I was worried I was supposed to save the vault till I hit the divided number on the base collected cards before collecting the vault cards. 😅

I think his name was roxas

[rotund creek]

Doesnt make u lose rings, and the projectile doesn’t go through walls. I feel like those are the things they would have nerfed if he was to have it so it’s like they left it out this time , so no need to nerf

[crisp viper]

Oh okie. That is understandable why you thought that then.

[crisp viper]

His 1st ability and 3rd ability don't make you lose rings, right? What about his boost? Does getting hit by his boost make you lose rings?

If none of his abilities make you lose rings but gives you a effect instead, that is some very interesting balancing and could lead to more fairer yet unique gameplay characters in the future.

[rotund creek]

Boost has same effect u don’t lose rings, the only way u lose rings is if u let him hit u 4 times without releasing an item.

[crisp viper]

Oh damn that is crazy. You can have a max of 3 of those minions on you? I've only had 2 max so far.

[rotund creek]

Same only had 2 but I can’t see why u would let 4 of them on u at once

[crisp viper]

Maybe lack of items or sometihng, I don't know. I remember at first I was trying to be cheeky by not using an item to not get another darkness minion on me. That is when I learned you can have more than 1 lol.

[rotund creek]

But I’m sure u will get another item box before all that happens

[crisp viper]

Maybe incase there are 4 meph's in the game.

[rotund creek]

Still highly unlikely, I think another unlikely way would be to have 2 and then get hit by reality warp and audio assault and then Mephiles hit u 2 more times

[crisp viper]

yep

Is his 3rd ability a multiple pickup like his 1st ability?

[rotund creek]

Yes

[crisp viper]

damn thats crazy

[rotund creek]

Gonna be interesting to see how it all works out

[desert kindle]

Definitely needs to be nerfed, imo.

[rotund creek]

Why, it doesn’t do damage, and doesn’t go through obstacles?

[desert kindle]

You mean it doesn't drain rings. And I don't think those two facts balance other ones.

[desert kindle]

Swarming Darkness itself.

[fast hornet]

No ring damage for item removal is prob okay, at least to me. Main thing I may have a problem with is the multi pickup, since even if there’s no ring damage the slowing effect is like an e-mine, maybe only slightly weaker.

[desert kindle]

Yes. It's multiple and fast, and 3 lanes, and deals dark effect. The inability of passing through anything and draining opponents' rings are not enough to balance it, imo.

[formal verge]

Mephelis playable when?

[spring brook]

How long does it take to unlock? I'm literally over 1,000

[next galleon]

Mephiles unlocks during "part 2" of the event. Not for another week or so. For now, we just collect cards

[quasi parcel]

Yeah

[light swallow]

You need to wait until October 14th.

[tame yacht]

Actually its Memphis Tennessee

[rich dew]

He changed his birth certificate 🗿

[tame yacht]

Nani

[spare surge]

Still not crazy about the inability to jump after getting hit by Mephiles' attacks.

It's a bit much on top of the item destruction and slow effect.

[desert kindle]

That shows how big the damage is, I think. You also can't jump right after taking damage from Explosive Mine.

But yes, damage from Stalking Shade is too big. 😐

If I rank the damage of Mephiles' items from highest to lowest, I think the correct order is Dark Embrace, Stalking Shade, Swarming Darkness.

[spare surge]

Yeah, but the Shades don't do damage until 4 stacks. You can't jump after being hit by single Shades. And that's on top of the slow effect and item destruction.

It's a bit too much.

[desert kindle]

I call it damage too (getting hit by Stalking Shade, or other of his items), because it slows you down even though it doesn't drain your rings.

Captive Light and Magical Boost don't deal damage. Literally don't slow you down if you run into them.

[mellow pecan]

Mephiles Don't need nerf he's perfectly fine

[spare surge]

We'll see when the spam comes.

[marsh notch]

Man, if I was only so delusional

[spare surge]

My guess would be the pick ups being reduced for his Swarming Darkness attack.

[mellow pecan]

By the way what is gonna mephiles will be nerfed at

Stalking Shade I think it don't go through obstacles

[mental crescent]

is it just me or does the damage across all his items feel extremely inconsistent? i swear ive been damaged by the same attack twice and one time it slowed me down more than the other

[spare surge]

It's been inconsistent. Sometimes I can easily dodge Stalking Shade, but many times it hits instantly.

And it sometimes blocks up the screen so I can't even see what's on the track.

[golden stratus]

He means the amount of damage it does, not the timing
Although, I agree it seems like the timing of Stalking Shade is also very inconsistent

[mental crescent]

yeah i meant moreso the damage but i also agree that stalking shade feels very iffy to dodge too, sometimes you have time other times you'll get hit in a lane where you were completely in the clear

[spare surge]

I do agree with the slow time as well, just forgot to specify it.

[mellow pecan]

Mephiles do damage when his minions are 4 on you 4 hit great damage

I tested

[mellow pecan]

I agree on this

[spare surge]

We know. We were referring to the slow down. Sometimes it feels way longer than other times.

[rich dew]

This ☝

[fast hornet]

Could also have something to do with lvl 12 Mephiles vs lvl 14 Mephiles. I still get matches with either, depending on who else I get matched with.

In regards to the slowdown effect duration, anyway.

[mental crescent]

i mean level 12 and level 14 have the same projectile

ive raced 2 level 14s regardless and their projectiles did different amounts of damage

[desert kindle]

Yeah, but drops directly to you.

[desert kindle]

☝️
Again, I call it damage since it slows you down.

[marsh notch]

Or simply call it "stumble."

[rich dew]

Same

[marsh notch]

Just realized that is the same day Slime Speedway gets released. 💀

[cerulean trail]

I WANT SUPER SHADOW! Jk I can’t wait for mephiles Tennessee to be in my team of people

He seems kind of op a little

[versed gull]

I think he will be fun to play as. I like the idea of adding more unique item mechanics. Spices up gameplay. Stats seem ok. Very well balanced. I’ll know more when I unlock and play him.

[marsh notch]

For everyone else, they will not have fun at all. But yeah, this Friday, you will see more.

[leaden gorge]

Am I behind rn if I have 3652 cards?

[tired goblet]

Yes. You need 10k cards in order to unlock em :)

[leaden gorge]

Yeah I don’t think I’ll be able to max him in these last 3 days 😔

Think I’ll stop at 12

[fast hornet]

The chests stop after these last few days, but the missions still continue for another 2 weeks after. You still have a while to get Mephiles cards.

[marsh notch]

Oh boy! I'm excited to never be able to move or use items because of Stalking Shade spam! Not to mention it always seems to hit me even after I change lane!

Plus there will be 3 at a time in most lobbies!

Can't wait!

[winged bolt]

just realize his stats same as Quarterback Zavok 😮

[ocean talon]

K

[pliant parcel]

Yeah I'll be one of those 'cause I like Memphis Tennessee a lot.

[marsh notch]

You are actually far ahead.

[sly nova]

yea you might need more cards

[golden stratus]

Just got hit by the boost and I swear that thing hits harder than his actual attacks 😵‍💫
If that's the case and not just the damage his moves do being inconsistent imo that seriously needs to be toned down, boosts in general should not be hitting as hard as that

Especially when it's already a damaging invincibility boost which iirc it is the only one of unless you count Jingle Boost

[worn kindle]

after spending some more time in matches

i believe swarming darkness is almost as annoying as stalking shade now

it’s basically mephiles’ ice wave

if he uses it near you you’re pretty much guaranteed to get hit

it doesn’t help that he can get multiple

he seems to spam that move more than stalking shade as well

[marsh notch]

That is actually a faster pre-nerf lvl3 Reality Warp (pre-nerf Infinite at lvl12).

Remember how Reality Warp was once unable to be jumped over to dodge in THREE lanes before Ver. 4.1?

That is basically Swarming Darkness.

Except with a different effect.

[worn kindle]

well reality warp has always been the slowest projectile

[marsh notch]

And faster.

I forgot to say "faster."

[worn kindle]

at least jumping over it is made a little easier

[marsh notch]

Yeah. At least now Reality Warp is a little easier to jump over.

[marsh notch]

So how many of you want mephiles nerfs

[rich dew]

I'm gon die

[sly nova]

maybe a cool down for stalking shade

[formal verge]

I don't want any

Perfectly balanced imo

If you want a mephelis nerf ur just being toxic

[rich dew]

Their gonna nerf his attack speed cause those clones are fast asf

[topaz cedar]

I could see that getting a slight nerf

Other than that I see barely any problems

[rich dew]

Tbh if they gonna nerf it, it's fine for me

[topaz cedar]

That’s the only nerf he should get tbh

The rest of his stuff is fine

[rich dew]

I agree on this

[viscid laurel]

fix the jank in his attacks and maybe slow his attacks down

[marsh notch]

Mephiles is going to break the game

I think:

1. You should have more time to avoid the dark clone that pops up in front of you
2. I've got a feeling that the Swarm of Darkness boost damage increases as you level it up. Instead I feel the duration should increase, not damage, as it literally guarantees a loss if you get hit towards the end of the race. I also suggest that the damage should be decreases with the dark clone popping in front of you and you should be able to jump over the boost, I don't think you can.

[marsh notch]

I mean Dark Embrace

Not swarm of darkness

[desert kindle]

I think so.

[rich dew]

He already is, even his AI knows to spam : )

[marsh notch]

Noo! You want to nerf my favourite character?! How dare you!!! I LOVE HIM!!! You all just HATER!!!

[rich dew]

?

[opaque mirage]

He just Imitated his mind ig

[fast hornet]

Honestly, as far as nerfs go (and come on, we all know he’s going to get nerfed) I think the most likely thing is the pickup amount.

Beyond that, well, I’d love for the clone drop to match with the animation correctly, as well as make the laugh of the clone wave more easily heard.

[rich dew]

He's speed attacks would likely gonna get nerf, I don't think they will nerf the pickup amount( this is just my opinion)

Also they need to fix some bugs on Mephiles

[marsh notch]

who has how much cards

[opaque mirage]

8k

[sly nova]

how does that make us toxic

[quasi parcel]

How??

[sly nova]

that's what i'm tryna know💀

[rich dew]

I guess I'm now toxic cause I kinda want Mephiles to nerf his attack speed

[sly nova]

me too

[formal verge]

Because I like mephelis and asking for nerfs is like saying mephelis wasn't made balanced

[quasi parcel]

Me too ig💀

[sly nova]

sure dude💀

[rich dew]

Dude, I'm also like Mephiles, even a big fan of him but...come on you see those clones??

Mephiles gon corner me ಥ⌣ಥ

[wide tendon]

haha, dark replica go woosh

[rich dew]

Mephiles: "Ayo man, take my kids"

[formal verge]

Just Dodge

I did

[quasi parcel]

Me personally I haven't played Sonic 06 and I'm not really a big fan of mephiles but when he first made an appearance in forces and when I seen clone I was like not again bc we'd have spamers in the game

[wide tendon]

also yeah, he's still new so he won't be nerfed for a while

and I do hope we get more 06 rep for the game, like super silver

or iblis

FLAME CORE

[quasi parcel]

It would be fair to add super silver because they already have super Sonic and super Shadow so they should already add super silver

[quasi parcel]

YAS

[wide tendon]

also he does reappear in idw

so why not

[quasi parcel]

And plus super silver did make an appearance in 06

[wide tendon]

we need elise now

heh

[rich dew]

Bro....

[quasi parcel]

Idk if they would add her but adding her would be a great idea

[wide tendon]

its a joke, dw

[quasi parcel]

.

[rich dew]

Just wait until more people complain about him

[wide tendon]

also idk what's so toxic for saying nerf mephiles
any character at this point is being said they should be nerfed

[rich dew]

Tbh, his attacks speed needs a little nerf, but the rest is fine

[rich dew]

Ikr

[wide tendon]

lol

[sly nova]

"Just dodge" - 🤓

[wide tendon]

honestly, memphis isn't hard
its just the amount of mss spammers there are in tracks lol

[formal verge]

It's possible to dodge

I don't see the problem

[wide tendon]

just dont call people toxic?

duh

[formal verge]

Ok

You gotta fair point

Still we don't need nerfs unless it's undodgeable

And it s not

[wide tendon]

unless you're on those 1 lane paths in sky sanctuary lol

[rich dew]

Ayoo a fight?? 🍿

[fast hornet]

Ok no, not nerfing things just because it’s not impossible to dodge means that we should reverse every single nerf in the history of this game. Raise of hands, wants release Infinite back?

Or how about release Super Sonic?

[spare surge]

Please fix bugs. Mephiles managed to hit me with his projectile while already in front of me. ☠️

[wide tendon]

wh-?

get yo butterey stuffs outta here dingus

[rich dew]

Oh wait, my bad :3

[wide tendon]

:v

[marsh notch]

I officially got 1,000 something Mephiles cards 😮‍💨

[wide tendon]

cool, now you need 21k for max

[rich dew]

[sweet panther]

This event has me all fired up, I can't stay away ...

[formal verge]

ME

I WANT INFINITE BACK

They're literally my favorite sonic character

You guys take everything at limited value

Like uh

You don't see the charm in the character

You're just worried about the attacks

[marsh notch]

Sonic and Shadow and Tangle are some of my mains

And they’re attacks aren’t that great 🤷🏾‍♂️

Especially Tangle who mainly jus has speed attacks

[leaden gorge]

Card check: 4,435

[wary dagger]

[formal verge]

Why would you ever need that many

[leaden gorge]

Ummm 3 lane shooters increased dmg 3rd item

[covert urchin]

Sitting at 15k here

[worn kindle]

if mephiles will get nerfed his attack speed should be nerfed

swarming darkness is basically ice wave in terms of hitboxes and hl didn’t know what they were thinking when making stalking shade’s

you need ultra instinct to react to that if literally anything else is coming your way

including another stalking shade

[vagrant olive]

Its gonna be a bad character if they nerf it

His stronger hability its that wave of minions

Fr

[rustic hemlock]

His clones jump jump ya really fast

[quasi parcel]

Fr

[winged bolt]

His attack speed is really fast, I can't jump when getting hit T_T

[rich dew]

The speed attack(Swarming darkness) is the only thing they need to nerf a little bit, but his other abilities are fine

[formal verge]

Meph needs a buff tbh

I keep seeing him in last place in challenger battles

[sly nova]

💀

it's a bot🗿

[rich dew]

Bro...naw

[opaque mirage]

This guy is mazik spray 2.0 but as mephiles fanboy version😭

[rich dew]

Ikr dude, I'm a Mephiles fan but come on....ಥ⌣ಥ

Mephiles doesnt need a buff, he's already op asf

[sly nova]

bro on god💀

[rich dew]

Also it's a bot bro

[sly nova]

that's what i said to em

[rich dew]

I mean even sometimes a AI Mephiles is getting the 1st place

[sly nova]

by spamming

[rich dew]

Nerf his swarming darkness speed attack just a little bit, but the other abilities of him doesn't need a nerf cause it's fine

If you nerf him too hard, he will go wack

Cause his abilities is literally his gold ticket

[sly nova]

then he'll be useless

[rich dew]

Exactly

[rich dew]

Mephiles jack-O latern for the next Halloween 👀👀

👀

[proper locust]

Im excited for mephiles

Maybe becomin my new main

[marsh notch]

Pretty much, lol.

A notable nerf he should have is to remove his invincibility (despite not boosting at all). Also, his effect should not do that much damage and have others lose forty Rings at all.

The slowdown should not be severe, either.

Having only the bot receive invincibility at random is fine, but when he becomes playable, no way, he better not.

[winged bolt]

i am not gonna sleep until he release tomorrow, I am too hype for him

[marsh notch]

In addition, the item corruption is kind of the opposite of Steal, the disabling effect, and the electric effect.

[rich dew]

They need to nerf his swarming darkness speed, make it a balanced one like with infinites reality warp but faster

Clone jumpscare

It's so hard to dodge his clones, I mean like really

I love Mephiles but yah..
He needs a slight nerf

But his other abilities is fine tho, don't nerf it

[marsh notch]

1. No items are stolen, but can still disappear from the item slots through purple smoke.
2. Depending on how one plays, no item pretty much can be used unless one were to accept losing.
3. Rather than losing an item at random, it is selected.

[rich dew]

You really need to select what items need to sacrifice carefully or else you'll go last

[viscid laurel]

Unless your infinite

Then you don’t need to choose

You always pick boost

[rich dew]

Got stacked by 4 clones

[viscid laurel]

If you got stacked by 4 clones you must be quite bad at the game

[rich dew]

I got stacked by 3 clones, my gosh it was hell

[marsh notch]

That could be even worse with Super Sonic (both modern and movie).

[rich dew]

Bruh.💀💀💀

[rich dew]

So you're telling me, people who got stacked by four clones is bad at the game?? Bruhhhh 💀💀

[viscid laurel]

Yes I am saying Skill Issue

[rich dew]

💀💀💀💀💀

Hilarious

[viscid laurel]

Getting hit by 1? Yeah that’s fair. 2? Usually Bad luck. 3? Are you even attempting to clear them?

4? You have no excuse.

[rich dew]

Yah if the Mephiles AI doesn't spam 💀💀

also not just that, his speed attack is so fast, it's hard to dodge his clones

Skill issue my crap, y'all keep saying skill issue way more often

Ayoo can't dodge that? Skill issue 💀

Got a problem with a character? Skill issue dawg 💀

[viscid laurel]

If you got hit by 4 that is 100% a skill issue.

The clones are not so hard to dodge that you get hit by 4 at once unless you have a skill issue

[rich dew]

Bruh...didn't I tell you that his clones are way too fast? I'm not the only one who's experiencing that

That's why they need to nerf it slightly, cause it's even faster than chaos ice wave, and not just that, I can dodge chaos ice wave

[viscid laurel]

I’ve raced Mephiles dozens of times now, his clones are fast yes but it is not hard at all to only get hit by 1 (2 if your unfortunate) 3 or more is a pure skill issue

[rich dew]

People has literally different experiences, don't just assume that their having a problem at dodging means they have skill issue 💀💀

[viscid laurel]

You are literally the only person I’ve seen report getting 3 or more

Even in races I’ve only seen people get 2 max

So yes I do believe I have a reason to say “Skill Issue”

[rich dew]

I literally saw some people chatting on the screenshot talking about getting stacked by Mephiles clones

Not just that, many people also says that his attack speed are way too fast

Redracer is typing

That's a long type lol

Redracer is ready to tell his own opinion

[viscid laurel]

Either he’s really thinking it over or he’s plotting out a graph

[rich dew]

Oh my gosh, thats long

[marsh notch]

A skill issue is more like not dodging a trash projectile, boost, or trap (especially a trash projectile) when it is literally within avoidable range. Swarming Darkness is not trash.

An example I can come up with for skill issue is not even moving when something like Whirlwind, Moto-Bug, or whatever the worst projectile in the game is is literally coming at you and yet, you have more than enough time to dodge it.

Swarming Darkness is definitely not trash and thus would not really be a skill issue, especially when it is up close or like THREE manually controlled Mephileses are in one match.

Regardless of what is thought about it, I think we can move on from "skill issue."

And sorry for such long speeches.

[rich dew]

This

This guy gets it

[viscid laurel]

Trash or not a projectile is a projectile, if you can’t learn to at least partially dodge after the first dozen times it’s a skill issue

[rich dew]

Lmfaoooo 💀💀💀💀

This mf is cocky as hell

[rich dew]

But were talking about Mephiles swarming darkness, which is faster than chaos ice wave itself

[viscid laurel]

I ain’t cocky, I’ve faced Mephiles dozens of times, he’s not the greatest threat on the track, it’s everyone else.

[marsh notch]

And yes, my way of describing skill issue would be assuming everyone (or a majority of us players, including those on both sides of this debacle) not only knows the basics of switching lanes, but moves a lot to make it harder to be slowed down.

[rich dew]

You ain't? You literally called me having a skill issue just because I'm getting stacked by Mephiles clones 💀

[marsh notch]

Especially when we are all already experts, masters, and naturals at doing so.

[viscid laurel]

Your getting stacked up to 4 with an attack that if your halfway decent at dodging should only be 1-2

[rich dew]

Not just that, even high level trophy players nows what's up on Mephiles speed attacks

[marsh notch]

That too.

[rich dew]

........

this guy

I literally explained you many times

That Mephiles speed attack is too freaking fast

[viscid laurel]

Literally every player I have raced against Mephiles has gotten the concept down and only gotten 1-2

[rich dew]

Literally faster than chaos ice wave

[rich dew]

Are you sure? Cause I raced so many times and I saw some of my rivals getting stacked by (3-4) clones of him

[viscid laurel]

Yes I’m sure

[rich dew]

Well too bad, Mr skill issue guy, everyone has different experiences and that doesn't make them have a skill issue

[marsh notch]

Good point. Everyone has a different way of playing.

I think we can stop here.

[rich dew]

Yah we stop here

[marsh notch]

You're also the one saying that Infinite's warp is easily dodgeable

[vagrant olive]

I got stacked by only 2 minions in all the event, its easy to dodge but when you got focused by a meph, inf and a ss, is so easy to got stacked 2-3 times

[worn kindle]

i’ve only gotten stacked with 2 clones

expect getting 3 tomorrow

[viscid laurel]

Because it is.

[quasi parcel]

Yeah

[still flare]

Let's keep this discussion productive and respectful! Please don't attack players for their skill / ability / character choice

[marsh notch]

Imagine blaming and insulting the player for using a character as if it’s their fault that the character has faults

Can’t be me

[tiny token]

Swarming Darkness should not have multiple pickups

And i don't think mephiles' clones should stack

They slow you down way too much on rails as well

[marsh notch]

Well I'll be testing a max level Mephiles tomorrow,from what I see his boost speed might need a buff,but that's really it for now from me

[rich dew]

We gonnna have a party tomorrow

[rich dew]

I think his pick ups are fine, but his swarming darkness speed needs a slight nerf cause man, those clones are hard to dodge

But his other abilities are fine, it doesn't need a nerf

[tiny token]

It's like ice wave but with multiple pickups

Let it sink in

[rich dew]

Ice wave but faster

Seriously, I have no problem on dodging chaos ice wave but on Mephiles...dude likes to corner me

[tiny token]

The hitbox seems iffy

I was in the air and it hit my anyway

[runic ivy]

Reminder that no one has the character yet

[rotund creek]

No character should have multiple pickups if that’s the case. That’s the only way to make it fair.

[tiny token]

There's a reason moves like Savage Throw dont have multiple pickups

Why should a move that covers 3 lanes and moves really fast have multiple pickups

[covert bronze]

Mephiles is a good character, but sometimes I can't understand how his attacks works, seems to be random, the Swarming Darkness suddenly catches you

[rotund creek]

It should, and that’s one of the reasons I’m hesitant on upgrading Qbz. Fireballs, strikeout have multiple, so should savage throw

[rotund creek]

If it was singular pickup then it should go through obstacles, like infinite.

[tiny token]

No it really should not

It's really fast

It should just be like ice wave

[rotund creek]

Isn’t he suppose to be better than infinite from a power level. So if it didn’t go through walls and singular pickup, who would have the better attacks?

[runic ivy]

Take into account that once everyone has this character and facing multiple of them in 1 lobby, it'll be borderline chaos and nearly unplayable due to everyone literally spamming everything under the sun twice per pickup

Also his trap is stupid

let it sink in

[rotund creek]

It’s chaos if u have multiple of any character that spams, for example infinite, unicorn cream and reaper.

[rich dew]

Well I can see it through the Mephiles AI by facing against him

But tomorrow we shall see

[rich dew]

Ya they gon nerf him, no surprises on that

If they nerf him too hard, he will be useless cause his clones are literally his golden ticket

[runic ivy]

A shadow nerf before he becomes available would be nice, but I highly doubt it'll happen given due this character haven't been around since a decade

[rich dew]

A shadow nerf???

[fast hornet]

Refers to one that just gets implemented behind the scenes, only confusing in this case because we have an actual character named Shadow.

[rich dew]

Ohhh lmfao yah, I thought it's Shadow lol

[waxen wind]

something that spam characters have in common is 3 line attacks

[golden stratus]

Shadow nerf is a phrase
Like, nerfing them without an announcement

[rich dew]

Yah I already know

[golden stratus]

This happened with Movie Knuckles - when he was a bot he could pick up 3 Fearless Strikes but the day after he was released to the public you could only pick up 2, and you needed Level 12 for that

[rich dew]

Wow, now I want a movie knuckles at 12

[golden stratus]

‘Twas a good nerf tbh since I think that move is too good to justify triple pickups although I do find it a bit weird that’s the only time that has happened when worse chars have existed

[rich dew]

I main movie knucks of course

[rotund creek]

Thought they meant projectile attack

[spring brook]

I'm confused as to why MS can't steal from Mephiles

[sly nova]

bc it's a bot

[spring brook]

You could steal from Infinite during his challenger event IIRC

Same with movie knuckles

[golden stratus]

You couldnt

[quasi parcel]

I thought at a point u could

[marsh notch]

Who else can't wait to get stacked with 4 clones tomorrow because "skill issue" in a 4-way ditto?

[worn kindle]

i’m pretty sure you just get the mega slow if 4 clones are stacked

[spare surge]

4 stacks deals actual damage.

[solar sedge]

Iirc it was a few days after because HL was out for the weekend and only so many of us actually got to use him

With the x3 pickups

[golden stratus]

Fair enough but they still nerfed him a) without saying they did and b) before most got to use him

[fast hornet]

There’s no actual 4th clone, you just take a massive hit for 40 rings instead.

[dawn totem]

The character is very unusual and interesting. But after the fourth clone, minus 40 gold rings is too much.

[wheat drift]

The slowing effect on Mephiles clones is painfully long

[marsh notch]

True

Plus it takes your jump which made me fall in pits on some maps more times than I wish to admit

Ok I have 2106 cards, what level would Memphis be?

[viscid laurel]

2,106?

Level 8

[waxen fable]

Why would you want to get more than 2 clones tho? I think its pretty fair

[soft spade]

How good is Mephiles at lv9

[viscid laurel]

We don’t know

[carmine haven]

ROTO

[sweet panther]

This drives me nuts

[rich dew]

Were going to party today

[fallow jasper]

Busted character with QBZ's stats

Literally why did you make this character

I can't make this up

Pre nerf infinite was bad enough

[rich dew]

He's a blessing to me tbh, In my opinion ofc

[fallow jasper]

Does way too much damage for an invincible boost also

[rich dew]

Tbh, I want a shadow nerf of him

[fallow jasper]

Mining mayhem aids with him

It won't be hard to hit someone with four clones when he specializes in literally everything

[rich dew]

So I said this before, The swarming darkness speed attack is my only prob

[fallow jasper]

Gatekeeping and front-running being the main two playstyles he's good at

Character's literally ridiculous

Nerf him

That's all

[rich dew]

Nerf his speed attack cause that clones be stealing my lunch box

His other abilities are fine tho, cause if you nerf him too hard, he will go pretty useless

[fallow jasper]

His attacks will still be insane

Nerf him like they nerfed infinite

Boost way too broken

[rich dew]

No, I really want his speed attack to get nerf, like the one with the reality warp but a little faster, you know the balanced speed

[rich dew]

They need to nerf it's damage

The stalking shade is good, they don't need to nerf it

His boost needs a damage nerf, the time of how it effects the characters

That's it

Stalking shade is fine, it's literally kj but better

[primal fjord]

honestly no invincibility boost should do damage that just stupid I would mind if he tag you he leave a clone but damage should go

[rich dew]

I wish hardlight can pull this off, not making Mephiles become wack if they nerf him

[fallow jasper]

Thank you