❔┃ask-the-community

[grand shoal]

To bring you to 10k ward. It is a little grind, but usually possible 🙂

[jovial cypress]

well, boots + shield already warrant 4k on like 1k hp

so I guess on more stuffed class it's even easier

[fiery nova]

Not sure if this is a bug, a graphic glitch, or I missed something, but after putting a point into Flame Walker (none in Freezing Aura), my cold mage's Fire Aura appears to be cold based. Can't tell from the actual damage, but the aura itself looks "cold". I searched all my passives, skill nodes, and equipment and I see nothing that would do this. And as far as I know, Freezing Aura is the only thing that would convert FA to cold.

[desert tree]

Is there not smth in Flame Ward?

[storm blaze]

Yeah Flame ward can convert it

[fiery nova]

Argh, can't believe I missed that. I searched Flame Ward and didn't see it. Thanks.

[lean locust]

Someone from Global helped me access the Bazaar before getting to Chapter 9 so I can get Merchant Guild Rep while in the campaign.

Can the same be done with CoF?

[faint cape]

Yes. If you make a new char that shares stash with another that already has picked a faction, you don't even need help (the NPCs to pick your faction spawn in the first town).

[lean locust]

Ah - but switching is not something that can be done yet?

I see that trading is good - but for now I am more SSF than trading.

[faint cape]

You can switch, yes. You just need to leave your current faction first, which causes you to lose all gained favor for it (you keep rank progress, but doesn't matter if you never want to swap back).

You should be able to walk out the door from the bazaar into Maj'elka and from there go into the observatory where you can join the Circle of Fortune

[lean locust]

AH cool - I see what was happening

I had a rare helm on that was not letting me leave the faction

Cool thank you! That makes perfect sense.

[faint cape]

Oh yeah, I forgot that part, have to remove all your faction gear to leave a faction

[lean locust]

Thankfully its not much - an OH and Helm

But no issues really - just need to get a couple pieces and will swap over to CoF

[small void]

Can anyone clarify - im trying with a Plasma Orb build (RAH/GON/RAH) my build guild is tellimg me to use Staff with the Fundamental Criterion .. however, i wouldnt get the 34% buff from the chest as Plasma is with RAH first? Shouldn't i build with Sceptre?

[static lotus]

Hello everyone, I played LE Harbingers in July and I just found there is a new cycle
what is new to the game ?

[jovial cypress]

please help me find which OST is this 🥺

[jovial cypress]

hi, s2 is april 2nd

damn I've almost shat myself from this guy

I thought it would be a regular map lmao

I've seen so many uniques I recognize ones I've never seen before

[faint cape]

The cycle/season refresh was mainly due to the next season being delayed until 2 April, but it did bring some minor changes - most notably, they added "loot lizards" (LE's version of loot goblins), a bunch of new shrines, and made factions rank up faster.

[harsh ravine]

I can't read the blurb about replacing an egg on a nemesis - is there someway to get around this. Pretty annoying

[desert tree]

Press I to close your inventory ?

[harsh ravine]

That windows comes up because it wants you to select a legendary item. If I close it then the windows to put a legendary in disappears so I can no longer read what it says.

I could carry a legendary around and put one in I guess but if this is how it’s supposed to work then the UI design is not good

You shouldn’t have to carry an item around like that

[steel yarrow]

click on the little box icon next to the confirm button u can access your stash

also nemesis eggs can't have LP or Weaver's will, it has to be raw unique

[lean locust]

Whelp time to start over haha, died on Chapter 8 - is there a better levelling guide than the one on Maxroll for Sorcerer?

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/sorcerer-leveling-guide

[jovial cypress]

woah 😀

[restive epoch]

Yea I gotta slam some high cdr on those... 😄

[frigid badge]

What did you die to? Were you resistances capped/almost capped?

[lean locust]

Smooth brain haha

I wasn't paying attention - zoned into a new area and started shattering rares.

[frigid badge]

RIP

[lean locust]

Broke the first rule of HC haha

Do town stuff,... in town

xD

[frigid badge]

Well if the guide itself wasn't the cause of death, then Im sure its fine haha

Surprised they arent using frost wall but maybe due to mana issues?

[jovial cypress]

sorry but...
rok

[lean locust]

The mana issues were quite brutal in Chapter 7-8 though - and things were a bit sketchy.

The first 5 chapters, things were super good. But it seemed to really struggle once I hit the 7th chapter

[frigid badge]

Ya I'd probably use Focus over Mana strike unless you plan on going a battle mage style build

Being in melee range is probably not what you want

[jovial cypress]

guess who just got a boost
(my primalist) 😀

[lean locust]

Cool I hadn't thought of that (2nd character, so still figuring that out)

Focus sounds much better

The amount of times I go OOM and had to run up to a boss/rare mob...

Noooo thank you lol

[frigid badge]

Yeah there are definitely melee sorc builds, but the build you linked doesn't seem like one haha

This build uses an non-specialized teleport which is put on your skill bar over Flame Ward; this is because Flame Ward can be procced by Frost Wall so you dont need to manually cast it

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/glacier-sorcerer-guide#skills-header

But again, if you have mana issues then you probably cant do that

[lean locust]

This is actually what I am planning on playing

But from what I could see it needs level 70 and a few uniques

[harsh ravine]

Ah - thanks for that. I’ll try it next time one comes up. Inventory makes more sense than the character stash to draw from. It’s taken me this long to realise what the egg is. I thought you got one when yo defeated the nemesis but since there are none in my inventory the light bulb finally came on what to do with it 😜

[jovial cypress]

so, when to expect better monolith maps

sadly not mine

[harsh ravine]

Is it possible to minimise or hide the skill bar ? I find that sometimes when moving the mouse the cursor goes across the skill bar and brings up the information window on the skill. Not what I want in the middle of a hectic fight 😬

[toxic echo]

you can hit the delete button, which hides the entire UI

other than that, no

[jovial cypress]

it says it matches rule 9, but it's below 10 levels, how so?

[toxic echo]

cuz it has endurance...like the rules says "show endurance"

item levels dont really matter much, outside of locking drops form certain area

[jovial cypress]

but I wanted to hide lower levels

[toxic echo]

then clearly your rule isnt set up to correctly filter that out

[jovial cypress]

is there anything else to set for it?

[night ivy]

Keen to give the game a go, haven't played since launch. What build should I go?

[jovial cypress]

will you trust my judgement?

[night ivy]

Go go, I have 0 knowledge or prior research, I'll do it.

[jovial cypress]

lich or shield bash

[night ivy]

Lich it is, ta

[jovial cypress]

not sure if it's for #1210281911872786482 but I seriously doubt either my ability to read or proofreading of person who wrote this

[toxic echo]

Rules work top down. So the show end outranks the hide

[jovial cypress]

if it was so I wouldn't see anything because of hide all?

scratches head

[toxic echo]

Wtf you have so many hide rules

You just need one

And obv to fix that one since its clearly not working

Blocking items by lvl like that tho means you gonna be missin out on good gear tho

[jovial cypress]

how?

it's OR, not AND

[jovial cypress]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgNqVYzQ

[neon compass]

Bladedancer, Level 83

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Rogue (25) / Bladedancer (60) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 1,249, Regen: 29.54/s
▸ Mana: 199.92, Regen: 13.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 16 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 56% / 0% / 0% / 73% / 0% / 80% / 104%
▸ EHP: 2,648 / 1,801 / 1,801 / 3,288 / 1,801 / 3,151 / 3,151

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 437
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (883)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (475)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 42%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (21)
• Shift (21)
• Shadow Cascade (21)
• Synchronized Strike (22)
• Smoke Bomb (21)

Used unique items:

• Riverbend Grasp
• Stymied Fate
• Gambit of an Erased Rogue

[jovial cypress]

🤔

weird that it doesn't show bleed chance

[faint cape]

I'm not really sure how the level rule is supposed to work for this case, so if it seems like it's not working right, I'd submit a bug report. That said, this kind of rule is very dangerous, I'd advise against it. Lots of good items with low level req.

[jovial cypress]

damn

also realized how unfavorable matchup against some bosses is

it's very hard to cast sync strike when you need to run around beams

[robust kelp]

Is it a bug or a feature that you can click through 90% of ui elements? I've just been getting frustrated with it and not sure whether to post something about it in bug reports or not

[faint cape]

Pretty sure it didn't do that in the past, so I'd say bug. Either way, if it seems buggy, safe to report it like a bug

[lean locust]

Thought I was the only one haha

[robust kelp]

It like doesn't matter 99% of the time, just annoying af when you click through your stash or forge screen and walk away randomly. I also have a paladin build with 100% mana consumption, so sometimes shift right clicking items in or out of stash will activated it which means I just have to wait for mana regen which is annoying

[sonic saddle]

Er.... no it doesn't. Rules higher up have priority

[candid elm]

That's what Eagle said. "Rules work top down."

[lean locust]

Am I missing something here regarding Mana Strike vs Focus?

After dying and rerolling in HC - swapping over to Focus feels so much more cohesive with being ranged. Plus - the talent that lets you teleport feels like a great addition.

Am I missing something obvious?

[candid elm]

You have to stand still to channel Focus. If you're able to do that without getting hit, then sure

[lean locust]

Couldn't the same argument be stated due to being in melee range and OOM?

[sonic saddle]

Nope, top down (and the rest of eagle's comment) implies the bottom rule overrides. This is not the case

[candid elm]

Do you really think that a Last Epoch Discord Moderator, Eagles, doesn't understand how the filters work? Top down as in descending priority.

This was the message that was being discussed #❔┃ask-the-community message
They were helping the person with their filter setup

[candid elm]

Sure, use whatever you prefer!

[jovial cypress]

I still have no idea why it behaves this way btw

[sonic saddle]

yes i know, but they said

but it's below 10 levels, how so?
referring to rule 2

[jovial cypress]

because everything else seems to do what I expected it to

[sonic saddle]

unless eagles completely missed that?

[candid elm]

They were saying

[sonic saddle]

idk

tired

end of a long day of work

[sonic saddle]

it's the opposite of what you intepreted it to be lol. that rule hides everything 10 levels below your character level and up

[jovial cypress]

yes, you can see those items are obviously lower

that's exactly what I wanted to happen

also it seems I can't filter by implicits, which is sad

coping hard

[candid elm]

If you'd like to look at some guides on making filters, there's some basic general filters on the forums https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/1-1-heavyz-casual-loot-filters-for-all-classes-v4-1/25176. Which also includes some info on making a filter. There's also additional info on making filters on Maxroll https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/resources/loot-filter-guide and the Maxroll build guides have filters for each build on the last page of the build guides. LE Tools also has some filters and a filter making tool https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/

[sonic saddle]

no no as in, if you're character is level 70, your rule as it's currently set hides everything with a required level 60+

[candid elm]

You can filter by item base type, which lets you filter by the item base type implicit

[sonic saddle]

also mildly topical filter rules considering that elon musk PoE2 debacle ROFL

[candid elm]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/ is a good way to look at the base item types to see which implicits you may want

[storm wren]

595352 mana what? How to do that

[desert tree]

Have you considered Mana Strike being for Spellblade?

[lean locust]

I was just following the levelling guide from Maxroll - which from what I saw stopped in the 60s

[jovial cypress]

that's uh, quite antique guide no less

[blazing root]

Would anyone wanna help me get the waypoint to the obversatory? im lvl 45 with my alt but i don't get a whole lot of play time now D:

[acoustic thicket]

lmao wait if I respec my skill points I lose xp?

[jovial cypress]

what

[acoustic thicket]

I was already level 5 and when I go to respec I lose my points and it goes to 3

[jovial cypress]

well duh, it says that in respec tooltip

but you get it back much faster than if you never had it

or so I felt

[acoustic thicket]

that is a bummer people told me to not use a build and try out a bunch of stuff

but I keep resetting my progress trying stuff

[jovial cypress]

it's okay

the later in the game the less it matters

[acoustic thicket]

yeah but I am not gonna bother trying to make a build now, just gonna go to maxroll

[jovial cypress]

I thought the same thing too, then found it it isn't that painful as I thought

[acoustic thicket]

that is a big bummer, was enjoying d4 just respecing when I wanted, trying out all the arpgs

[jovial cypress]

I'd still advise to try out whatever, it's an experience you can't repeat

unlike copypasta from guide

[acoustic thicket]

How though if I am level 5 and I want to try something else I go back to level 3

so will be in perpetual state of regression

[grand shoal]

You'll catch up faster after "loosing points"

If you straight level a skill to 20, or if you reskill it 10 times, will make not even 1 echo difference in the end, both will hit 20 almost the same time

[jovial cypress]

as I said accelerated gets much faster than normal

[acoustic thicket]

yeah but it will always be behind what I would have been till much later in the game

so its not really encouraging me to test new things

[jovial cypress]

no

[grand shoal]

Be careful with maxroll as LE scource btw. Some questionable info and guidance there ^^

[jovial cypress]

it just looks this way, in reality it's not so punishing

[acoustic thicket]

for example I had 4 points in the mana for warpath, I tried another skill to see if i liked it, now I can no longer spin for warpath in the zone I am in, constantly running out of mana

[jovial cypress]

basically, if you were smashing through stuff the time you spent being upset about it you'd most likely already caught up

[acoustic thicket]

lmao sorry I am not rushing story my bad

[jovial cypress]

I've 3 characters and tried it many times

[acoustic thicket]

thats cool good for you

[jovial cypress]

I'm not trying to gaslight you

if you look up my older posts I was ranting about same thing

until I realized it's not that awful

[acoustic thicket]

but why is it in the game? Seems like its a good thing, the community seems to encourage playing any build but the game system is telling me to lock in a single one

[grand shoal]

Still

[jovial cypress]

I've no idea, because aside from that, the game heavily encourages you to try out whatever goofy you come up with, except for mastery choice

because I tried bleed shield bash and so far game didn't discourage me

[surreal verge]

It's a bit overtuned for early game.
It's supposed to prevent you from constantly swapping between setups later on.

[sonic saddle]

because otherwise you could just run a clear spec for maps and switch to a boss spec for bossing

[acoustic thicket]

For sure I am sure there is some reason for it later in the game but maybe just do not punish people leveling and trying out the game. Like its fine to say later in the game its not a big deal, but I am trying to see if I even want to play this game and I loved the idea of making my own buld but honestly this is making me not want to play it or if I do just reroll a new character and follow a build. I def do not feel like I am being encouraged to try out new things while leveling.

[sonic saddle]

but yeah as kzb says the penalty is too high early game

[acoustic thicket]

like now I am in this zone and just perma oom, and its a bummer, sure I put a few more hours in I can get back to where I was, but now I personally just feel behind and almost want to scrap this character

[grand shoal]

It won't be hours

[restive epoch]

I wouldnt worry about that too much, it really doesnt take long to get back to the amount of skill points you had

[surreal verge]

It'll be minutes. There's a soft cap of skill level you should be at depending on your char level, but sometimes you can overlevel that soft cap by a level or two.

[rain oyster]

anyone know how to unlock the last 3 slots for the idols ?

[restive epoch]

I guess you just missed some quest somewhere, shouldnt be too hard to find 🤔
https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/quests/idols

[buoyant condor]

There are more idol slot quest than idol slots

[cedar locust]

#👥┃lfg if you still need a hand 🙂

[rain oyster]

thanks for this! very much appreciated

[dusky kite]

focus is a pretty damn bad skill as it has high cooldown, low mana regen per second, and requires you to be stationary. Imagine trying to regenerate a 2-3k mana pool with focus. Not that mana strike is much better though.

focus is the constant source of butthurt for all mage players

[dusky kite]

maxroll LE guides tended to be not very good or original, not sure if they have improved much since the launch - looks like that's a no

[dusky kite]

at endgame you can get skill levels back up in like 5 min, although it obviously takes longer at low levels. Why the developers chose to do it this way, nobody has a clue. But it's generally not much of an issue even at lower levels.

[dusky kite]

We all get your complaints but it won't get better if you keep being so dramatic about it. Once you know what you are doing you can run through the campaign in like 3-4 hours, you don't need to spend "hours" just to get back a couple skill points

[jovial cypress]

I had told him it takes much less time to catch up than it looks

[mossy shadow]

i remember saving up my lvl 30 skill mastery slot for dive bomb coz i want to lvl that skill more than Aerial assault (which unlock first) coz i was afraid i will mess up the skill point allocation and will take longer before i can get to lvl 50 for another skill mastery slot.

here i am lvl 90 constantly just respec-ing out skill passive combination coz i can lvl 20 a skill in 5min or just 1-2 Exp tome node

good times, hahaha

[acoustic thicket]

Come here with a question and a complaint and talked to the people who answered. Thanks for chiming in!

It’s a dog system. Very uninterested. Glad it is very good at high levels but makes no sense at lower. After I got my points back after a bunch of msq had very little interest in doing any more of the campaign. Maybe when the new season comes out will give it a try again.

[jovial cypress]

btw funnily enough leveling takes way less time than in poe2

[acoustic thicket]

Yeah but the game has more people to play with luckily. I have a gaming community all playing Poe 2 and I pushed a bunch to play this and I’m the only one still trying

[cedar locust]

I get that feeling, I'm fixing one of my builds and oh do I keep forgetting I have less HP and Dodge atm 😅

Guides are useful when this mechanic feels frustrating, you can learn the game without having to respec a ton and then when you feel ready you can try making a character guideless 😊

[acoustic thicket]

100% if come back for season 2 I will follow a YouTube guide and never experiment again

Never going to try and make my own again

[jovial cypress]

that's a shame because everything aside from point respec heavily encourages to

[cedar locust]

Even I use guides, I don't follow them point for point, but I do learn from them so I can make my own without needing the respec half my passive tree 😁

LETools, MaxRoll and IcyVeins have got some good guides

[acoustic thicket]

Well as the player who is new and trying it it seems to be encouraging me the opposite

[jovial cypress]

and I'm saying this as person who got fed up with poe2 because it actively discourages to

[acoustic thicket]

Yeah for sure Poe 2 def discouraged it

[jovial cypress]

try to beat poe2 campaign with random goof smacked together

[acoustic thicket]

D4 though was very fun with it and trying builds

[jovial cypress]

you can't physically

here you can with ease

[acoustic thicket]

I have done all Poe 2 for the most part pushed maps etc

[cedar locust]

I am a prime example of that 😅 I have caused genuine anger with my builds before haha

[acoustic thicket]

I am trying all the arpgs with my gaming community. I never got into it. We did Poe 2, d4 and was gonna t try last epoch. I am the only one who is still trying it, most quit during campaign

[jovial cypress]

lol why

[restive epoch]

your own funny fancy build is fun in A1... alright in A2, depends... meanwhile A3... 💀 💀 💀 Mektul entered the chat 💀 💀 💀

[acoustic thicket]

Idk ask them haha that’s why I came here with a question

[jovial cypress]

my 🧅 is that you overreact to minor inconvenience

[surreal verge]

Honestly, no clue. LE's campaign is fast, and easy, and lets anyone with proper knowledge to hit end game within 6 hours from fresh.

[jovial cypress]

but you do you, if you reconsider at some point nobody will deny you a hand or anything, I think

[surreal verge]

MOST people stop LE after the campaign, and not during it.

[acoustic thicket]

That’s cool, but I came here with a question you guys answered it and I gave my take on it. Yet you all agree it’s bad at low levels but I’m “dramatic” for stating this

[jovial cypress]

that's how it was advertised to me btw

[jovial cypress]

precisely so

[cedar locust]

Soooooo unoptimised 😅 I refuse to give up skills I really like but can't utilise properly given my setup and I have a bad habit of not checking my character sheet to see if I've capped something

[jovial cypress]

I completed the campaign without looking at my resistances for once

maybe once at Lagon and that's it

[surreal verge]

I did agree it's overkill as a penalty, but it is not hard to get it back, definitely doesn't take hours.

[cedar locust]

It's a valid opinion, especially if you're new to ARPGs and not used to how respeccing works. We do have our #1210281911872786482 for letting us know how the game feels for you. Everything is logged for the team to consider 🙂

[icy drift]

It's so you don't respec between mapping and bossing

It's to avoid toxic optimisation, and I think warpath is a pretty unique case where you need a certain amount of points to make it "functional" in sustaining it, while other skills don't have this issue and are far easier to catch back up on

[acoustic thicket]

Took 45 minutes of msq. Coming in new to the game that’s a chunk of my time and it’s a big impression on a player if they are new. You can say it’s good for end game. but the game has been out now, seems like a pretty easy fix to just let people at low levels respec. This discord has done nothing but tell me to try out builds, make your own. If I was told “hey it’s a bit punishing as a new player so careful respecing” then I would have had a different approach. So after I have been doing that for awhile I found myself on the characters I was trying that progress regressed. I am not trying to skip the campaign like Poe 2 or d4. People said last epoch story is good, so I am reading everything and exploring everything. Now going forward I don’t feel that way.

[dusky kite]

you are not dramatic for "starting this", you are dramatic because you allow your own catastrophizing to undermine your enjoyment of the game, but you can keep blaming us or the developers for that matter, over an element that isn't even in top 100 of biggest problems this game has

if your goal is to have fun, you have already successfully defeated yourself

[acoustic thicket]

100%

It’s my fault for respecing, I should have paid more attention

[surreal verge]

I'm more surprised it took you that long to go from skill level 3 to skill level 5 during a time where you can probably get 5 char levels in 45mins to 1 hour...

[icy drift]

nah it's not, and let's not take this too seriously, it's just a game and everyones complaints are valid at the end of the day

[dusky kite]

forsake having to invest points to make a skill viable, embrace having to farm a unique to make a skill viable

[icy drift]

the thing is the system is a necessary evil, so yeah it does kinda suck especially early on but it's better than not having it

so you're not wrong for being frustrated about it

but it's not something that should really change either

[surreal verge]

Honestly, it probably helps if they just increase the boost.

[icy drift]

Yea I agree

[dusky kite]

they just need to make it faster at low levels, maybe by adding a competing condition of earning percentage of current level requirement instead of flat exp amounts

or just tune the flat amounts idk

[icy drift]

currently you can just do a single echo and level a skill to full lategame anyway so it wouldn't really matter if they boosted the catchup mechanic

[desert tree]

Smth like the first 5 levels are neveer lost

[icy drift]

not true, it scales with your level

starts off at 0

[acoustic thicket]

If I skip everything and go grind mobs I’m sure I can do it fast. Again I’m not or was not rushing, I was trying to go around and explore every corner and read all the dialogue because I heard the story was good

[icy drift]

or i guess level 1

[candid elm]

This is an interesting take. LE has one of the more forgiving respec systems. You can change everything except your initial class selection and chosen mastery. Skills you can change anytime anywhere. Passives in town using the regular in game gold.

Compared to something like PoE1, LE is way easier to respec. You don't have to get a certain currency item. PoE2 switched to gold for passives, so it's similar for the passives now, but to change skills you have to recut the gems which can be very expensive for level 20 gems.

I prefer LE respec.

[icy drift]

Being better != being good

but i do think LE's system is good

just saying a terrible system can still be better than an even worse one, not that that's the case here though

[faint cape]

I do feel like minimum skill level is too low early on, but I do still respec my skills a ton while leveling just to experiment and it works okay for that.

[cedar locust]

Feedback like this is really good for us because you're not just new to LE, you're new to the genre 😊

[candid elm]

I didn't use the words better or good. I used forgiving and easier. I prefer LE's respec system to the ones offered in other ARPG games like PoE1 and PoE2.

[icy drift]

yea same, but I think us knowing what's most likely decent and what's not plays a role in helping us not having to respec as much, lessening the problem.

[acoustic thicket]

Sure it’s better than Poe 2. After my group tried Poe 2 and we all did maps etc. We tried new d4 season and respecing in that has little punishment at all compared to POE 2. The end game got boring af fast through. Someone said this game has a better end game than d4 so we skipped d3 season and tried this

[dusky kite]

it gets better as you may need to go back and farm (or buy) low level skill gems, level 4 spirit gems anyone?

[dusky kite]

tbh they could just set the minimum spec level at 4-5 right off the bat so that more transformative points are in immediate reach, and rescale the rest of skill level unlocks over the levels

[candid elm]

The low level spirit gems are more expensive than the higher level ones on the trade site : (

[dusky kite]

yeah cause trying to farm them sucks

while most builds don't need high level spirit gems

[candid elm]

I don't miss the vendor recipes, but a way to de-level gems would be nice. Anyway, getting off topic. Something you don't have to deal with for LE respecs

[desert tree]

What I meant was, to make it easier the base lvl should scale with the 5nfirst lvls

So you never loose them

[jovial cypress]

just bump to full upon level up, smh

[opal harness]

why i cant flirte items for gold+

[storm blaze]

gold+ ?

ah you mean rares and above

You need to put another rule below that to "Hide all"

so it'll show rares and higher
but hide blue & white

Working now?

[faint cape]

You need to hide stuff to filter, everything is shown by default so if your filter only has "show" rules, it does absolutely nothing

if you want to hide white and blue items, just make a rule that hides those

[jovial cypress]

@frigid badge #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message imo "overly relying" is not correct perception

except partially it's because other skill usage forces to

[opal harness]

yes 🙂 need polish tips about crafrt "key f" for understand a bit

[storm blaze]

I don't speak polish

[opal harness]

hmm then how can makle high tier upgrade?

[storm blaze]

You select the thing you want
and then click the button
you also need shards for it

[toxic echo]

thereis also a pretty good section in the game guise

[opal harness]

then frist take list next upgrade?

i mean fdrist list next materials

[lean locust]

Replying to both! 🙂

So for now in the campaign Focus feels good since I have next to no Mana. But your point is definitely valid when taking 3000 mana into consideration.

My fear with Mana Strike, is that I am playing on HC and there are times that I am in that danger zone trying to get more Mana.

Is there something else I can attempt to use to regain mana?

As for the Maxroll guides, they were the easiest for me to follow as step by step guide due to me never playing LE before.

If you have an alernative levelling guide or video you recommend, I would love to see it!

[frigid badge]

Hello again!

Have you tried stacking mana regen on items?

[lean locust]

I have a lot of bricks xD

[surreal verge]

Your choices really are just mana regen affixes, Mana Strike, or Focus.

[frigid badge]

You're using Glacier right? You could try using another low cost cold skill for weak mobs (ex: Lightning Blast converted to Cold)

[lean locust]

Yes Glacier

[desert tree]

Too low level to do Mana on Crit I guess ?

[lean locust]

Is this under Glacier or somewhere else on the tree? I haven't seen mana on crit yet though.

I am guessing you mean this node?

[surreal verge]

Yeah they're talking about that node.

[analog ice]

dose anyone naw the best way to get stormcarved testament

[frigid badge]

Lagon

[analog ice]

normal or empowerd

[frigid badge]

Either.

If you can do empowered with corruption, you''ll have better odds

I'd have to check but I think 1 corruption = 1% increased item rarity

[analog ice]

ty dude

[toxic echo]

empowered is always better for boss drops

[analog ice]

ye im not strong enough

[lavish marsh]

Haven't played in a while, and I only play offline, and I was wondering, if my character is a legacy character, does it have access tot he current cycle content, and will it have access to future cycle content, the season 2 stuff?

[tranquil flicker]

Yes it does and will 🙂

[lavish marsh]

cool, thanks

[cursive totem]

Does anyone know why I get this error?

[stone granite]

I'm guessing you lost connection to the server

[cursive totem]

But I have a good connection

It won't let me play online

[stone granite]

You don't have a good connection if you can't connect. The internet is not that simple. It could be a firewall issue or VPN issue, or any # of things

[cursive totem]

What would I do in that case?

[stone granite]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/ehg-please-help-le-65-cannot-connect-to-game-servers/66138

[cursive totem]

Can you buy the mounts offline? Is it not necessary to buy them online?

[stone granite]

There are no mounts

All cosmetics require online connection, but everything else in the game is available offline

[cursive totem]

There is no way to buy then

🫤

[cursive totem]

which country's vpn

[mortal siren]

What happens if you have the fireball nodes embers and arcane divergence? Is it a cone or a line?

[stone granite]

I don't use VPN, can't really answer questions about it

[cursive totem]

no problem

Anyway, thanks a lot bro

Honestly, it's a good game, but it's a shame that it doesn't let you play online.

[rain oyster]

is it possible to combine the sword with 1lp maw ?

[surreal verge]

No, it has to be an two-handed axe, and it needs 4 affixes.

[rain oyster]

thanks!

[dusky kite]

what is the current view on having later seasons' content not be available in legacy? Still in the plans?

[dusky kite]

it will fire in a line, same as how the line node overrides Fire Spray which is a requirement for it

[cedar locust]

This isn't off the table though we don't have anything planned at the moment to my knowledge 🙂

[toxic echo]

#👥┃lfg

[lean locust]

Oh cool thank you!

Didnt see that

[fiery nova]

Have you ever been able to connect online? I just tried it and it's fine.

[lean locust]

You might need to check your network settings / flush DNS / etc... In another game, I somehow installed the game without network privilege's and it took a bit to figure out how I did it. 🙂

[cursive totem]

The first time it left me and then with the updates that there were it no longer leaves

[cursive totem]

How do I do that?

[harsh ravine]

Is the only way to increase timeline corruption to find the echoes with the shade in them ? These only give 6pts, 12 if you don't die (which I usually do at least once). That means 3 echoes if I'm lucky, 6 if I'm not. Given that each time you do that echo it resets everything and you have to find another echo and do it all again there has to be a better way than this. It's going to be beyond tedious if I have to do that all the way to level 200 (which is when I can finally get an Omnis as far as I am aware).

[surreal verge]

Shades further out give more, up to +18.
Then for each quest echo boss you killed before killing a shade, you gain another +12 per, up to +48. (Gaze of Orobyss)
So you could get about 60 corruption per shade kill, assuming you murder 4 quest echo bosses before each shade skill.

[grand shoal]

The difference in 6 and 12 points of extra corruption has nothing to do with player deaths. It's like Kzb said, the distance to the center, as he also said, the maximum is 18 here.
Yes, for Omnis its 200 min.

If you kill a few bosses for gaze, you can easily get to 200+ in two Orobyss kills

[surreal verge]

Also, make sure you're doing it in empowered.

[grand shoal]

And once you have 200 in one timeline, corruption pushing gets really easy via the catchup mechanic.
Every other timeline will catchup or even push corr, with a single echo and one Orobyss kill

[harsh ravine]

I am running empowered yes. I am at 106 corruption. I had 2 echoes with a shade. It stated I could get 6 or 12 pts. After I died the 12 pts option was off the table. I could only get 6pt.

I was out around the 42-48pt lvl before I found the corrupted echoes.

Not following regarding bosses - is that the end timeline boss for which I need to collect 850-900 pts first ? Once you kill a boss you then have to re-run echoes to get to the same level again no ? Then I kill the boss again all over again, then I go tackle a corruption echo ?

[grand shoal]

Btw, a tip for farming Omnis: Ignore +6 Orobyss nodes for farming the Amulet (later once you're 200+)
You want +10-12 minimum to have a better chance, if you find a higher one, even better

[toxic echo]

the +6 is distance. the +12 was gaze. which you lost when you died. you would have gotten both if ou didnt die

[grand shoal]

Ahhh 🙂 Ye, makes sense! Now I see

[surreal verge]

QUest echo bosses do NOT cause a monolith web reset. Yes those that cost 800 stability

[grand shoal]

Ok, here we go: This (red circle) shows how much Bosses you killed (1 Boss = 1 Gaze)

[harsh ravine]

Thxs. Anything that saves time or things getting tedious is good 👍 I’ve a long way to go to get 200 😬

[candid elm]

Harbinger's Needle also gives Gaze

[grand shoal]

This one here shows how much extra corruption you get from that gaze

[harsh ravine]

They cause a drop in Stability is what I mean. If I have 1000 stability when I kill the boss I don’t have 1000 after that as far as I’ve seen.

[grand shoal]

This is the base corruption you get by killing the shade, this is the +6/10/12 and 18 that Kzb and me refered to earlier

[surreal verge]

Oh yeah, it is what it is.

[harsh ravine]

Yes but to start to get those I need to kill a Harbinger at level 125 corruption according to the faction info

[grand shoal]

Yeah Stability fills with completing echos and is drained when killing the quest Boss

[harsh ravine]

Are there any prophecies that can help increase corruption or corruption points ?

[surreal verge]

No, gazes are your only reliable way.

[grand shoal]

No. But there's Glyph of Envy, which can help indirectly. You can push stability with that, use that for more boss kills for more gaze.
That way I usually build up corr on new chars quite fast

[harsh ravine]

I have a few Glyphs of Envy. Might as well use them now.

[grand shoal]

Crossing fingers you have a smoth boss and shade kill with your gaze!

[harsh ravine]

Just to recap - I need to kill the timeline end boss multiple times, then find a corruption echo as far out as possible (or find one and come back to it after killing boss). How many times is it recommended I should take the boss out first ?

[surreal verge]

4, you can only spend 4 gazes at once.

You also lose one gaze on death to shade

[grand shoal]

That is how I would do it. As I need a few gaze anyway, I usually try to find a Shade as far out as possible, +12 for example is quite common to find. While looking for that, I kill bosses whenever I have the stability.

[harsh ravine]

I’ll change up my current process and use the envy glyphs and hope corruption echoes pop up soon

[grand shoal]

Btw, you can combine that with the hunt for better blessings, boss uniques, leveling your character - whatever. So in the end you spend your time on multiple things at once, while advancing in corruption as far as you feel comfortable

Advancing in corruption can be a very natural process, while playing the game. But can imagine it feels a bit tedious once you want to force that

[harsh ravine]

I’m trying to min-max gear via a maxroll build guide. Playing the less popular Blast Rain ranger. I’m at a point now where I need items with specific stats so I’ve built filters that only show what I’m after.

That’s why it’s getting to be a bit tedious. Look for better gear, complete timelines for better blessings and work on boosting corruption value are all happening at once.

I also run nemesis whenever I find them. It’s how I updated my Reign of Winter bow and Mourningfrost boots, but they are become less important now. I need to see a few item drops to get that dopamine hit !

[frigid badge]

Anyone have success with a solo-companion build (ideally Summon Wolf)

[wide abyss]

Hi guys, so I played LE some time ago and my general feeling was that it's "clunky". Is it better today? I can see the content patches and new seasons going on, but how about the overall quality? Not a bait, not compalinign, genuine question, I like most of ARPG (not you D4).

[frigid badge]

What class/skills did you play?

[desert tree]

When you say solo wolf you mean a single one?

[frigid badge]

Ye

[desert tree]

Oof

Wolves go in pack

[frigid badge]

Ya I know Im a masochist

[candid elm]

The only problems I've had was the rubber banding with some travel skills. But that's mostly been fixed. I rarely run into that anymore.

[frigid badge]

I just want one good boy as my friend

[desert tree]

Solo Scorpion is giga stronk

[toxic echo]

Really gonna be hard for anyone to convince you its not clunky...without specific issues. Would recommend to just load it up and see if your issues are solved

[desert tree]

Imo solo Wolf is good for utility

If you are dealing dmg yourself

Having one chunky wolf is easier to manage than a bunch of small wolves

But if you want the wolves to do dmg, solo is shooting your self in the foot

[frigid badge]

Yeah I figured

I made a suggestion to add solo-companion nodes in their skill tree

#1210289045310017536 message

[desert tree]

I mean there are passive for that

[frigid badge]

No I mean like in the Summon Wolf tree

[desert tree]

Also I feel like not every companion should be able to go solo

Crow has a node in the skill tree for exemple

[frigid badge]

ah

[desert tree]

But yeah, wolf (single) sucks

But imo that fine

Thematically I feel like a pack of wolves is more it

[frigid badge]

Yeah Im just a big doggo lover and thematically I think it would be cool to have support for one loyal boy

[wide abyss]

Yeah, so I'm going to download latest update

[frigid badge]

But yeah pack of wolves makes sense

[frigid badge]

There are definitely some skills that are less fluent than others.

Shift (Rogue) is probably the best feeling mobility skill IMO

[lusty sorrel]

New Player here,
How long do cycles last?

Also I have been dying to a tentacle guy in chapter 8 I believe? Is it possible to skip this? He one shots me lol

[desert tree]

Next one start April 2bd

[lusty sorrel]

No idea where to go from there

[lusty sorrel]

Thanks

[desert tree]

Go End of Time, to the right you can go do some monos

Note that if Lagon Oneshot you, you may lack defenses or not dodging the big attacks > the eye laser/beam and the big moon blast are to dodge absolutely

[frigid badge]

I think he does cold/lightning primarily so make sure you got resistances close to or above 75%

[lusty sorrel]

I have like 700 health, definitely not enough I think. Do monos give better gear too?

[desert tree]

What area lvl is Lagon?

[lusty sorrel]

53 or something like that

[desert tree]

First mono is 56 iirc so pretty much the same

[frigid badge]

Yeah but the first mono is much easier than Lagon

[desert tree]

But by the time you complete it you can get a few lvl

[frigid badge]

IMO

[jovial cypress]

all normal monos are

[frigid badge]

Each mono boss has unique drops. And once you unlock empowered monoliths, item rarity goes way up

[frigid badge]

Idk if I agree with that but the first few probably are. The last mono is lvl 90 no?

[jovial cypress]

with what

[jovial cypress]

100 technically

[lusty sorrel]

Ok so I should do monos, I can go back to lagon once I am stronger

[jovial cypress]

for my paper cannon Lagon was much harder (and maybe shadow of orbs a bit) than entirety of mons

[lusty sorrel]

I am a Bladedancer

I will focus on Monos then, appreciate the help

[frigid badge]

The tier 1 dungeons might also be worth checking out but Monos should definitely be the main focus

||Use rune of Ascendance on daggers to get Smoke Weaver||

Not sure how much guidance you want so I used the spoiler tag in case ^ (regarding a unique item)

[lusty sorrel]

Would love to get some guidance haha. I am using Kris currently

[desert tree]

Last 3 monos are 90

[lusty sorrel]

for Strike Multiplier

so use ascendence on them?

[frigid badge]

Well I guess it depends which variant of Bladedancer. But a lot of them rely on shift to proc other skills, which is why Smoke weaver is so good

[desert tree]

You can ask in #🔪┃rogue I am sure someone very competent there will answer all your filthy rogue questions (just a joke )

[lusty sorrel]

I am using the Synchronized Strike/Shift to proc the shadow thing that always crits

[lusty sorrel]

Roger that

[jovial cypress]

still they're easier than lagon

ofc there are random oneshots but with some safety chance to die to them is low

[desert tree]

Well, yes and no
They are numerically stronger than Lagon, but you reach them at a point where you character is considerably stronger. Especially the last 90. It's your 3rd lvl 90 timeline. You just crush it

[faint cape]

Different builds tend to struggle more with different bosses. Also depends on the player.

Lagon is more of a mechanical test than most bosses are

[rancid magnet]

hi guys i jsut got back to last epoch made a rogue and building marksman lvl guide

from maxroll

but i am lvl 10 and have not gotten the itmes ineed yet

https://gyazo.com/4b0e94ac1550434d9114e1b806730034 this is wha ti am followign

but not sure if ishouldf equip bow now or not till lvl 11

and dont have any idols yet

so dont know what t odo

armif jsut use rnadom drops

or try to get the gear ineed

[candid elm]

Pulled up the guide you're looking at and it suggests using a bow once you get Puncture
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/marksman-leveling-guide#gearing-and-side-quests-step-by-step-header

The items it lists are just suggestions of the types of things to look for. It's unlikely you'll find exactly those items.

[candid elm]

Idol slots are unlocked as you do certain quests during the campaign, don't worry if you don't have any unlocked yet or haven't found any.

[rancid magnet]

I just reached lvl 10 and started ch 2

Right now my stats are all over the place

With equipped gear

[candid elm]

You're fine, just keep playing : )

[rancid magnet]

0k but its like that till late game anyway in all rpgs

And arpgs

I had last epoch since launch ans have not finished it yet

[jovial cypress]

doesn't matter

until almost end of the campaign you can do literally whatever comes on your mind

it's very unlikely that you'll be too behind on damage to be on par with enemy health

last epoch is very liberal in this regard

[jovial cypress]

I'm in endgame and I barely looked at my resistances

because I don't get hit

but when I do... 💀

oh you play rogue

yeah just don't get hit

more precisely, look under

[lusty sorrel]

How can I unlock Timelines?

I am in the first one, I am trying to unlock Black Sun

I beat the top already, but all it did was to reset

[faint cape]

What do you mean when you say the top? The boss you need to fight is at the end of the 3 quests you run from the left panel. The stability bar at the top is what you need to fill up (to the third tick mark) to fight the boss.

[lusty sorrel]

Thanks, I just noticed

Stability is maxed out now I just need to do the quests

[candid elm]

Fighting the Shade on the edges of the echo web resets it and increases the Corruption, which you don't need to do on the regular Monoliths. Raising the Stability, then doing to two quests on the upper left, and then fighting the monolith boss as the third quest will unlock the next timeline / monolith. The Stability needed to fight the boss is used, excess carries over. And you can raise the Stability to fight the boss again. Or just move onto the next monolith / timeline.

[lusty sorrel]

Ok and early on is better to just move timelines right

[storm wren]

To be honest, no... 😂 😂 😂

[restive epoch]

Yeah... havent we kinda forgot about this guy? 😄

[storm wren]

😂 😂 😂 Oh I'm worse. I never remember any npc's faces so I don't know they're the same

[desert tree]

Poor dude. Got tped a hundred years before us

[surreal verge]

@quiet roost You're literally throwing away a mastery's identity and expect it to work?

[quiet roost]

There is literally no reason you have to be forced to use a companion. The Passives support a pure melee playstyle. Additionally, there is all of 200% crit scaling and 2 mana regen in the extended Druid tree.

The only reason you are saying its functional is Rage

Which again...is stupid.

[surreal verge]

No, it's because werebear INCOPERATES those EXACT skills in werebear's spec tree.

[quiet roost]

WHY DO YOU THINK ITS OKAY TO HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME ONLY ONE SPECIFIC WAY IN AN ARPG?!?!?!

[surreal verge]

I'm not, but you're running a damn mastery that ISN'T made to support a pure melee style.

It's made to be a HYBRID.

[quiet roost]

You understand the problem I am presenting can be simply fixed by not having Warcry + Flurry Totem + Fury Leap cost 100 mana right?

It has nothing to do with werebear

It has to do with the astronomical imbalance of mana costs

This is a balancing issue

Okay, I run a companion, hybrid...which means I now have to invest a SUBSTANCIAL amount of my output on minion survivability and guess what - I STILL DONT have MANA, Mana regen or Crit scaling outside of ASpect of the Lynx.

This isn't complicated, it shouldn't cost 95% of a Primalists mana pool just to cast the buff skills to use a primary damage ability.

Do you know why almost all melee Primalists builds default to Swipe?

I'll give you 3 guesses but you won't need them.

[surreal verge]

You got warcry freecast and reset on crit.
Swipe has both mana gain and Aspect of Panther for crit and attack speed to get mana back.
Fury Leap has resets and frenzy on jump.
Upheal has inbuilt crit scaling, mana cut to 4, and nodes to buff the next leap and earthquake

I'm honestly surprised you don't have earthquake.

And I go no clue why you're using frenzy totem when there's so many self frenzy sources.

[quiet roost]

Because Frenzy Totem is the only natural source of mana regen outside of swipe.

Literally...the only Passive.

And in truth it probably isn't worth it at 1.92 increase.

Because, its so poorly balanced.

[surreal verge]

Silent protector? You won't get your mana back.

At that point you might as well stack more attack speed to get more mana back with swipe.

[quiet roost]

You are looking at the build right? How about this - instead of questioning my understanding of this problem.

Why not go play the build

[surreal verge]

Or skip warcry and just upheaval into earthquake.

[quiet roost]

Report back when you actually understand the problem

[surreal verge]

I'm saying the build isn't that good when you can run the same-style but better.

Upheaval into earthquake.

[marsh maple]

my brother

you are literally missing a node that gives you 100% more damage

[quiet roost]

On Upheaval?

[marsh maple]

literally one of the best nodes in the tree

you know how far 6 meters is ingame

its like, the length of the screen

[storm blaze]

Next up we'll get a showcase of build that skips all the damage nodes and specialises in no skills
"how are you supposed to play this"

[marsh maple]

you were so confident that you were correct with your decisions that you didn't even stop to look at what you did wrong

and to dissect a little bit more, you can get plenty of crit as a beastmaster, even without companions

you literally have a skill that gives you 200% increased crit, and if you go HP regen instead of leech you also get another 290% from peak

[quiet roost]

I'm aware of the node - but why would I sacrifice Shatter which is multiplicative to the number of enemies around, and Flat damage scaling for an extra 52% damage?

For solo target?

[marsh maple]

shatter literally does not scale with your build

[quiet roost]

When 90% of my time is in Echos?

[marsh maple]

shatter is a SPELL

you are MELEE flat damage

its not like poe

its not a % amount of their hp

its a flat like 15-20 spell damage probably

also 24 flat is potatoes in comparison to how much you get in endgame

[quiet roost]

You are going to be stacking flat cold % damage and crit. Because the build literally can't sustain DoT uptime.

Shatter will scale off Cold

[marsh maple]

before giving the devs an essay on why your build is bad go play it first and figure out how to actually play it

[surreal verge]

Shatter is 20 cold with 100 effective, so it's going to be ass in a non-spell build.

[marsh maple]

Im not trying to be rude but Mike gets so much crud daily that this literally does not need to be added on top of it

[quiet roost]

Even if I swapped for the extra 52% damage...is not going to fix the actual problem

Again my god...go play the build

It's not even 52% damage

[marsh maple]

I'm not because im just going to go play Upheaval in a good way

that was premeditated

[quiet roost]

its like 24% damage

it is literally irrelevant

[surreal verge]

The only reason to run Shatter is to get more hits for frostbite

[surreal verge]

If you can clear the screen and some more with a full mana combo, then it isn't terrible.

[restive epoch]

"Punching Aberroth in the face - no skills - no gear - everyday until 1.2 releases"

[surreal verge]

(Also for gods sake, earthquake is RIGHT THERE if you want to pepper the screen with quakes)

[quiet roost]

Earthquake also costs 35 mana...on a build...that can't spare mana.

[marsh maple]

Also this tree has no frenzy or haste

[surreal verge]

But a single earthquake can clear the screen without buffs.

[marsh maple]

your going to run around as slow as a buggy in winter

[surreal verge]

So your combo is now just earthquake.

[quiet roost]

Again it's hilarious to me that a bunch of people who can't sack up and go try to build think they can tell me who has played it to level 80 that i don't know the problems with the balance.

[surreal verge]

Warcry and frenzy no needed.

[marsh maple]

also your willingly deciding to take 8% increased damage

[surreal verge]

That's not a high bar. Most people don't hit empowered.

[marsh maple]

level 80 is lik,e

5-6 hours at most

[quiet roost]

Then go try it

Mr. Speedster

[marsh maple]

I refuse to play your trash

[quiet roost]

Come talk to me when you are educated

[surreal verge]

We can read the build and KNOW it's ass.

[quiet roost]

Then I refuse to acknowledge that you have any idea what you are talking about

It works both ways

[marsh maple]

We are really playing with a 10 second cooldown warcry

he like misses once

and has to wait a whole ten seconds to get berserk again

imagine trying to kill a Harby

[surreal verge]

Why would we play a terrible setup when we can play the same thing but with a better setup?

[surreal verge]

To be fair he did spec Ferocity for the reset on crit.

[quiet roost]

If your only answer KZB is "Play Werebear" then you fundamentally don't get the problem and im going to block you

[surreal verge]

I did not. YOu can literally just fix your skill nodes and passive nodes.

Your problem is that your skill node choices aren't that good.

I might as well ask, why Cold Upheaval?

[quiet roost]

The skill node choices outside of a whopping 24% damage loss. Are for survivability and to try to make use of Quarry Maker.

[marsh maple]

All this does is reinforce my belief of Plato's Allegory of the Cave

[surreal verge]

24% MORE, you DO know how more multipliers work right?

[quiet roost]

It reinforces my belief that not all youtubers should think they are authorities on everything

[surreal verge]

Wait, BM doesn't have cold support?

[quiet roost]

The build hits for 10-50K damage with absolute shit gear. I literally do not have a problem killing things at the point I am at. I have a fundamental problem with enjoying the flow state of the combat because buffing costs 95% of my mana pool.

[surreal verge]

Cold is made for Shaman?

[quiet roost]

Do you want me to make you a clip of what this looks like in action since you two are too lazy to actually test it

[surreal verge]

Could you kill things WITHOUT buffs?

Cause as far as I can read, all most of your buffs are attack speed related. If you could one-shot things, why do you need to buff for more upheavals?

[quiet roost]

Because Ward phases are an actual thing and Last Epoch has all of maybe two builds in the game (1 Erasing Strike and 2 Bugged Forgeguard nonsense) that actually can functionally operate on a 1 shot basis and not completely revolve around cast/attack speed DoT stacking.

The Attack Speed keeps enemies frozen

So I don't take damage

You would understand this if you did less questioning and more testing

[surreal verge]

Erasing Strike? What? That's a mid build... You'll get a heart attack seeing falconner...

Anyway, if you have enough freeze rate, you wouldn't need more casts to freeze. You could have just stuck with physical and build stun to stun enemies, where stun chance SCALES with damage done, so you could reliably stun normal enemies without needed to build freeze rate.

I would say that playing cold/freeze on a subclass that has nothing to help it is really funny.

[marsh maple]

It's ok @surreal verge apparently Upheaval is the next build for the Zero to Hero series, but we will probably do damage with it.

I wanted to play Gathering Storm for the 5th time in a row but plans change I guess

[quiet roost]

I could stack the Cold Damage on Shaman without sacrificing the Aspects - You don't need to swap to Shaman to gain that damage increase. But you do have to make sacrifices elsewhere. But as I stated Damage isn't the problem on the build.

Eventually you need to prioritize AS or you will absolutely not do enough damage

[surreal verge]

Counterpoint 2: If you're playing a screenwide build already anyway, why do you need to freeze things if they're DEAD.

[quiet roost]

It's not screen wide

even with Quarry Maker theres substancial gaps

[surreal verge]

You're telling me that thing isn't screen wide with 7(?) fault lines?

Oh 5 in the direction you're casting and 5 around you.

That's still half a screen.

If you need more coverage there's shockwave.

[quiet roost]

That's exactly what I am telling you

Again

Go educate yourself

Stop assuming you know

[surreal verge]

... This is just shitter earthquake

Why are you doing this to yourself.

[quiet roost]

Because, I wanted to prove that EXACT point to the devs when someone actually tries the build. That things like Quarry Maker which should be FUN because its thematically FUN to use....are absolute shit to actually play.

It's literally the point of the challenge to get it balanced

So that I can actually enjoy Quarry Maker as a build

[surreal verge]

I'm about 80% sure that if you stuck with physical that it's a workable build.

[quiet roost]

You and Mr. Youtuber seem to think my issue is damage

and you are stuck on it

That literally isn't the point

I have 0 issues with damage

I'm literally running like 20% of the damage functionality of what could be doing and its fine

[surreal verge]

If you have no issues with damage then you have no issues with defense.

[quiet roost]

The problem is actually fundamentally playing the build is ass.

Because the mana consumption issues

[surreal verge]

If you have no issues with damage you wouldn't need to buff NOR cast it more than once.

[quiet roost]

I can't express to you how much I think you just don't understand ARPGs.

And its beginning to annoy me

[surreal verge]

You wouldn't need to CC enemies if they're dead, right?

[restive epoch]

Why not linking the build with planner? 🤔

[quiet roost]

I want to move around the map faster than a runs pace, so I Leap - each leap is 16 mana...when I group up or land in a group of enemies I want to Warcry...not just for the buff and impact of the Warcry, but it brings all the enemies INTO my Upheaval slam....then I put down Flurry Totem so I can get the additional bonuses of the totem and mana regen (is this one absolutely necessary...maybe not). When I hit these three buttons...I've spent nearly 100 mana. If I had to leap more than 1 time...I've absolutely spent more than 100 mana.

[surreal verge]

He did.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL1zLJnQ

[neon compass]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (75) / Shaman (13) / Druid (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,046, Regen: 26.4/s
▸ Mana: 119.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 2 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 1%
▸ EHP: 748 / 748 / 748 / 748 / 748 / 753 / 753

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 209

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Cold / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Upheaval (20)
• Fury Leap (20)
• Warcry (20)
• Summon Frenzy Totem (20)
• Swipe (20)

Used unique items:

None

[quiet roost]

Before ever casting a single Upheaval

[surreal verge]

You could have built upheaval for AoE so you don't need to warcry...

[quiet roost]

Do you know what sacrifices you have to make to gain Mana/Mana regen - You give up Affixes. Specifically DAMAGE affixes for mana.

[surreal verge]

(Oh, fury also has the autocast upheaval on landing)

[quiet roost]

When all this could be solved by not making Leap+Warcry cost 40 mana.

Leap should be like 6 mana base

Warcry should be like 10 mana base

Upheaval should be 10 mana base

Sorry I think it is

[restive epoch]

Ah, but no gear and blessings... surely mana regen and extra mana exists in the game? 💀

[quiet roost]

Sorry - Escavating Blow - should be reworked to be like +5 mana not +16 mana

Even that is probably too much

Again if you compare this to Frost Claw...it's absurd how bad melee gets shafted on mana

Technically speaking thematically it's stupid melee even costs mana.

Nothing melee should be tied to mana costs unless its spell converted

[quiet roost]

You can quite literally (test this yourself) put full T7 Mana Regen on EVERY viable piece of gear you can...and you report back how much that will help you. (I'll tell you...for free...it literally won't).

You will achieve roughly 34 mana regen I think it is per second. With any level of AS you are spending 52 mana per second. You still...go negative mana even when sacrificing DAMAGE based affix slots for mana regen

And you aren't ever getting T7 Mana Regen on gear in any viable period of time without MG.

And @marsh maple your attitude is why I'll never subscribe to you. Stop acting like an authority you come off pompous. Have some class.

[storm blaze]

Have some class he says

[surreal verge]

I don't understand your issue, I'm testing Fury Leap into Upheaval with Swipe right now. I don't really get your issue? I'm clearing pretty well without a full setup.

I didn't need warcry when I could just LEAP.

I DO wish leap has a shorter cooldown though

[quiet roost]

Oh you'll learn - keep going

I never said the build wasnt functional - this might surprise you, but I know what I am doing. This isn't my first build.

It just sucks to fing play.

And it doesnt need to

There's no reason that Leap+Warcry should cost 40+ mana

[marsh maple]

I actively tell D4 players not to so its completely fine.

[quiet roost]

Oh, such a comedic when you shill Torchlight Infinite like a clown

Tell me how wise you are

Real D4 zinger when I am one of the most outspoken anti-D4 people too.

[surreal verge]

But you don't NEED warcry, as long as they're in range warcry doesn't do... much?

[storm blaze]

Literally nobody knows who you are
How could we know you're "one of the most outspoken anti-D4 people"

[marsh maple]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-who-are-you-kazoo-kid-funny-gif-16933963

thats what I thought of when you said that @storm blaze

Its ok Brox, I will be playing Upheaval. You have achieved your goal

[restive epoch]

Can you make warcry cd instant or reduce it to some spammable skill or its just 18s? Fury Leap shows 6s... idk if any of that can get reduced by a lot without having cdr everywhere, but surely regening mana spent on those 2 skills shouldnt be end of the world

[quiet roost]

Even if you could its not worth it to do because of mana consumption. Warcry is just a pull ability to ensure all the enemies get hit and take the shatter damage (in my setup).

[quiet roost]

No one cares man

You think you are important but if I was doing youtube 10 years and I still can't get more than a few thousand views I'd find a better job

Or keep shilling Torchlight

[restive epoch]

Yea but how often do you actually use it?

[quiet roost]

P2W garbage

[quiet roost]

You leap into a pack and pull then slam upheaval

[surreal verge]

Apart from shatter, you don't need enemies closer to you no?

If you remove shatter, do you still need to warcry?

[quiet roost]

When you realize that Quarry Maker isn't screen wide and has siginificant gaps...you will like having a tool that groups everything ontop of you and freezes/stuns them so you don't instadie.

It's also especially nice to cancel enemy attacks

Like the Necrotic Boulder guys

[surreal verge]

Okay, but why not let Leap cast Upheaval for you?

[quiet roost]

you can literally cancel their abilities by Warcrying

Because you'll get animation locked and if you eat said Boulder Guys boulder you can just straight up die

[surreal verge]

Wouldn't be a problem if you stunned them with upheaval, in theory.

[quiet roost]

Again, you have this false sense of understanding that Upheaval is not screen wide

[surreal verge]

I'm playing it half-screen and I don't really see a major issue right now.

And I think there's a method to make it screen wide

[quiet roost]

You can sac damage for area

But Mr. Youtuber says Damage is the problem so surely you dont want to do that

[surreal verge]

Why not both?

[quiet roost]

If you want to play it as a pure Stun build you can, sure. Pull the Frost Points and dump them into Area

You'll need +4 Upheaval on Chest to get the damage nodes

Which isn't completely unrealistic

I can also spin it up rather quickly to try it at 80 with pure Stun/Stun on Warcry.

I don't have % Damage gear for it, but it wouldn't take much to respec

[surreal verge]

You could get enough without + skill

[quiet roost]

I'm saying +skill maxes them all out

It's literally 4

[surreal verge]

Oh I thought you said you needed the +4 for it to work

sorry

[quiet roost]

Additionally, I haven't looked too deep into this, but you lose being able to dual wield crystal swords by moving away from Cold. Which is a significant damage ramp. But I'd have to see what comparable stun/phys weapons would counter that damage loss

May be able to drop dual wield

I'm not sure

[surreal verge]

Asusming just bases

lets you crit cap easier.

[quiet roost]

I would think double Hakar's Phoenix or Sword Catcher - pickup the +100% Crit Multi

something like that with Sword Catcher

Pickup +100% mulit and shockwave

Crit is still going to be a pain in the ass to find

[surreal verge]

Melee mostly rely on flat crit chance on affixes, sadly.

Or the skill itself giving crit

[quiet roost]

Yeah its +2% flat on Upheaval

You'll still run into sustain issues which is the point I'm trying to get across about mana consumption again this was never a damage problem to solve

[desert tree]

Big Mana Cost > World Splitter??

[surreal verge]

AoE would solve SOME of the mana issues though.

Cutting warcry from your combo for example.

[quiet roost]

Yeah, then what do you do when you get to any boss

take 3 hours?

While Necro and Mage can sit at range and spam infinite 0 mana everything

While you have to get f'd in melee range + insane mana costs

slamming swipe 10,000 times just so you can reset your cycle

[surreal verge]

Upheaval is made to be an AoE skill so it's technically already an auto lose against bosses, unless it has enough damage

[quiet roost]

Why do you think its acceptable that this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV05A8PfZZY

Can do what it does at 4000 corruption without using mana....but Upheaval has to rely on Swipe to sustain when neither Swipe/Upheaval/Warcry/Leap are SPELLS and thematically shouldn't require mana in the first place?

I want to really understand why people accept this as acceptable

[surreal verge]

Because it's overtuned.

[quiet roost]

Okay so we agree that my whole point to the dev team...and this challenge....then is a BALANCING issue?

We've come full circle

[surreal verge]

Well, considering any build that can cross 500c IS overpowered, yes.

BUT, with the build planner you provided without changes, it'll barely break 200c

[quiet roost]

It won't matter, I could scope the build to work to 500c, I can't take the 500% missing damage and instaclap echos. None of that matters.

It was never a damage problem

[surreal verge]

Do you need to freeze/stun if you had the defenses to not die? I recall beastmaster being really good at not dying.

[quiet roost]

It's that spellcasters do not have to deal with mana while staying at range, but you fundamentally can't use these abilities without mana consumption issues while also having to play in melee.

It's terribly balanced

period

[surreal verge]

Well, if it helps, frostclaw is the only mana cheater within mage. Most mana stackers need to Focus/get half refunds to upkeep.

It is a frostclaw problem.

Frostclaw is a spell that can do BOTH roles as a spender skill and a gainer skill.

It's like as if Swipe being so good it deletes bosses.

[quiet roost]

Lich Doesn't, spellblade doesnt, Smite paladin doesnt

See that's the fundamental problem I explained to you earlier

[surreal verge]

Lich? Lich has to dance between life and death.

They have a health problem to manage instead.

[quiet roost]

You could just drop Upheaval...entirely...and just swipe....and all problems go away. Why?

Because Swipe costs 0 mana

As it should

[surreal verge]

Takes forever comapred to frost claw, which can do that in seconds (THis is a frostclaw issue.)

Spellblade to my knowledge rotates between spamming their main skill and mana strike, which CAN be made to do decent damage so it doesn't feel as bad.

Smite paladin doesn't because procs don't cost mana by default, and they can change the mana cost into a health cost to bypass the problem.

Warlock can do that, but has to balance their procs so they mana doesn't fly away, and get equal spending and regaining mana.

[quiet roost]

There's very few instances where spell based classes get mana consumption issues. And it's largely due to the fact they have items that do -flat mana reduction.

Do you know how many physical melee weapons provide -flat mana reduction?

[surreal verge]

None because anything that's high cost isn't made to be spammed.

Then again, we have bladedancer who lowers the problem by getting refunds from their best skill.

[quiet roost]

Right and I AGREE with you.

And I fundamentally would think that, that would be balanced IF....everything in this game wasn't completely and utterly reliant on AS/DoT stacking to be functional in later corruption.

[surreal verge]

It isn’t though. Falconner’s best setup that’s hyper meta is an auto crit setup, no dot or as needed.

Warlock’s current best setup now is chaos bolt crit instead of dot reliant

[quiet roost]

No matter HOW much you build out Upheaval it will never do enough damage to 1 hit 200c bosses.

So it being built around that philosophy isnt functional

[surreal verge]

To an extent, that’s because it’s not made to be.

[quiet roost]

Okay so its not made to be spammed, and its not made to be a heavy hitting skill...then what is it?

[surreal verge]

I meant “not heavy enough to clear bosses”

At it’s core it’s a CLEAR skill.

It should one shot trash mobs but do notable damage to bosses.

[quiet roost]

Okay, so on Single Target you are just going to stand and Swipe?

[surreal verge]

I do agree upheaval is somewhat weak, but you were also running a horrible setup.

[surreal verge]

That’s when you swap totem for an actual bossing skill.

Not every class has the power to have a skill that does both clear and bossing

[quiet roost]

But Mages/Necros/Paladins can?

none of them have to switch out their core skill

Their abilities can screen wide wipe AND boss

So, why does the "Barbarian" based class that has to be in melee have to also get f'd on what skills it can and cant use?

[surreal verge]

Necros can’t. They sacrifice SOMETHING, either okay at clear but god at bossing or the other way around. To my knowledge paladins have this problem as well

But not BAD at either

That’s closer to a skill balance problem admittedly

[quiet roost]

I want you to do something....keep going with Upheaval...get to like level 75...as Mr. Youtuber says...that shouldnt take you very long.

Then when you get there - I want you to start a fresh character - and Play this build - https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjzO7VDB

[neon compass]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 3,636, Regen: 519.4/s
▸ Mana: 211.48, Regen: 12.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 103%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 21 Int / 1 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 81% / 59% / 86% / 59% / 81% / 81%
▸ EHP: 4,615 / 5,353 / 4,615 / 5,713 / 4,615 / 5,353 / 5,353

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 872
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (646)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 106%

Damage Types:

▸ Necrotic / Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Necrotic / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Summon Skeletal Mage (29)
• Summon Volatile Zombie (26)
• Summon Bone Golem (28)
• Dread Shade (23)
• Summon Wraith (28)

Used unique items:

• Aaron's Will
• Hollow Finger
• Hollow Finger
• Ambitions of an Erased Acolyte
• Nihilis
• Usurper's Mandate

This build has a guide:

Golemancer V7 Necromancer Endgame Build Guide... Over 850 Corruption! Abberoth Beat! by Action RPG

[quiet roost]

And run it to 75

And you come back and tell me that its acceptable that Upheaval is this bad to use

[surreal verge]

Lmao aaron’s will.

[quiet roost]

Don't even worry about the uniques they wont matter

[surreal verge]

That’s a clear setup. When necros have abom that can three-shot bosses and do well at clear at the cost of minues of setup time

[surreal verge]

They do, I know this exact build. Aarons will is core here

[quiet roost]

No

You'll never get it at 75 dont worry about it

Just play the Skills/PAssives

[surreal verge]

It’s pretty mid as a build otherwise.

[quiet roost]

to 75

You will fundamentally learn something

I promise

[surreal verge]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about because I have played this build.

This turns into a downside that your char will be made of wet tissue paper and you can’t prevent it unless you dodge properly.

[quartz blaze]

upheaval is fine

your build doesn't make sense

[quiet roost]

Again - play Upheaval - however you want if you want to do it Stun w/e. Go to 75 or go to Empowereds...whatever.

Then when you get to 100C - Swap to that build I just linked and run again to that same spot. Back to Back.

[surreal verge]

And there’s enemies that WILL ignore your minions

[quiet roost]

But do it from level 1 both times

SSF

so you get the real sense of the builds

[surreal verge]

If you’re saying that the gap of class power is wide, then yeah, we know this already.

[quiet roost]

I'm saying its so wide that its unacceptable

[surreal verge]

It would be slightly better if you didn’t choose to use a horrible setup though.

[quiet roost]

Jesus, it DOESNT matter...nothing you change...will change the mana consumption issues.

[surreal verge]

It’s not a general “primalist is terrible” thing

It’s a “some skills are just shite” thing.

[quiet roost]

EXACTLY my POINT....they need the mana rebalanced

[surreal verge]

You tell me how to get this piece of shit skill Aura of Decay working-

[quiet roost]

I did a Aura of Decay build pre-1.0 and was doing 150-200c. I'm sure it can be better now.

[surreal verge]

Remove Aura of Decay from that same setup and you can easily clear 500c with no changes

Also, to be honest, giving up stun for freeze is kinda stupid

[quiet roost]

I'm going to bed, but keep going, play it to 75+ or corruption 100. Swap and play the other build i linked. You'll report back when you realize its completely ridiculous the mana disparity between classes.

[quartz blaze]

my guy is actually comparing a suboptimal mashed together upheaval build with a planner that has 2lp aarons and 2lp nihilis

[surreal verge]

He did say to ignore equipment, but that also breaks the necro build so idk what he’s on about

[quiet roost]

The sheer fact you don't understand that it doesnt matter proves to me you also don't understand anything

[surreal verge]

That setup dies in empowered without the uniques

[restive epoch]

Wait, you pushed Upheal to corr100 or somewhat higher, right? 😄

[surreal verge]

It’ll suffer similarly.

[quiet roost]

I don't care if you push corruption on them or not...I just want you to play them back to back from level 1 SSF.

[surreal verge]

But I get his core idea. The problem is that the example given is… kinda shit

[quiet roost]

That's all...you will COMPLETELY understand the point when you do

[surreal verge]

At least play a proper upheaval build and not cold

[dusky kite]

lol bro most people who still post on this discord at this time can play your build fully mentally without even having to log into the game, even I can see that it's pretty bad within five seconds of looking at the skills

[quartz blaze]

TIL shatter was even an upheavel subskill

[quiet roost]

Then do it.

[surreal verge]

Giving up reliable stun and get peepeepoopoo freeze instead is a stupid decision

[quiet roost]

Freeze is 100%

theres no difference

[quartz blaze]

play a real build and go EQ

[surreal verge]

You do not know how freeze works then

[quiet roost]

Warcry literally 100% freezes

[surreal verge]

I meant upheaval’s

[quiet roost]

You dont know the point of the build the way it was then

[quartz blaze]

hes talking about ur freeze rate on the tree

[surreal verge]

Warcry’s freeze is fine

[quiet roost]

There was always 100% freeze

[dusky kite]

btw Kzb bm is in fact the intended primalist mastery for non-transformed melee combat, swapping to druid isn't going to be fixing the issue, it's not a companion problem at all

[marsh maple]

Aspect of the shark stonks

[quartz blaze]

aspect of the stonks

[quiet roost]

Finally...braincells

[dusky kite]

shaman has no real melee support so it's a moot point, they need to rethink this completely - the themes just aren't enough in absence of math to back them up

[surreal verge]

Okay, guess I was wrong in that part

[quartz blaze]

that doesnt validate your point either

lmao

[quiet roost]

KZB claimed that Druid was the only viable Melee primalist spec

It was absolutely a point

[quartz blaze]

nah #1 melee in the game right now is EQ BM

[quiet roost]

I'm not going to argue that the build could do more damage, push 500c, or function....the entire point was that the mana disparity in how the build PLAYS is garbage.

[quartz blaze]

shatter strike maybe #2

[quiet roost]

And that melee should not have mana costs they are not spells

[quartz blaze]

okay thats an odd take

how would you balance resources then

[quiet roost]

With damage % and native attack speed. The same way you balance most things that don't have mana costs...also there's like 50 skills in LAst Epoch that already don't have mana costs and most of the ones that do get their mana costs erased with items.

[dusky kite]

like what builds are we talking exactly? A shitton of mage builds run two skills for bossing and clear

[quiet roost]

Frostclaw, Shatterstrike, Smite, Sparkcharge....

[dusky kite]

Im personally more partial to aspect of the viper, the increased aviper effect is a dumb affix (especially compared with the limp affixes for other aspects)

[marsh maple]

yeah

I wish serpent strike was still good

we live in a post serpent strike rework world

[dusky kite]

frostclaw and spark charge are overpowered garbage that shouldn't even exist in the game as it is. For SB the problem is build variety, like what else would you be using in a cold melee build other than shatter strike? It literally doesn't have a different cold skill even if it wanted to

smite idk I dont play sent enough to comment

[dusky kite]

forsake serpent strike, embrace spirit thorns poison for maximum memes

although you could probably do it with frostbite and it would suck a little less

[marsh maple]

that was actually the first build I played when Druid got reworked

to bad poison is bad now

[quiet roost]

Falconer, Fissure, Golemancer?

How long do you want the list?

Tornado Shaman?

[dusky kite]

And how long do you want the list of builds that do use multiple skills to be? It's all a wash until the game finally gets any semblance of real balance

[quiet roost]

Are the builds you are thinking about all melee builds?

Please tell me they are

[dusky kite]

I tried it on bm and it wasn't that bad but the clear was pretty abysmal cause for some reason there are no pierce/cleave nodes for the thorns

[storm wren]

<@&1161418687471956101> Multiple channels, spam

sorry bother your chat, you can go on

[desert tree]

Careful you replied to the wrong one xD

[quiet roost]

You didn't answer AShunava....

It's okay you think on it for a while I'm going to bed. If you can come up with a non-melee situation you report back.

[icy drift]

Is the arguement about the fact that some builds need different skills to do single vs multi target? if so then there's plenty of builds that can do both on one skill

Maybe not every mastery has one but that's kinda nitpicking considering there's quite a few

it's also very normal in arpg's to have a single target stim skill or even to use an entirely different skill for single target

[dusky kite]

like bro do you even read? I told you that this is common for mage builds, how many mage builds do you think are melee?

Although who am I kidding if you could read we wouldn't be having this crap argument

[dusky kite]

his argument is that only melee needs two skills and all ranged builds are clearly superior cause they can get by with one

well yes if you pick the 3 or 4 most recent and most OP builds that might sound true

[icy drift]

That's provably false yea

there's mage builds that need a seperate skill for single target too

for example i supplement my harbinger of star builds with black hole sometimes for extra single target since it's hard to get enough procs on one target sometimes

[dusky kite]

sure those kinds of builds aren't as popular because they are (a) not as op and (b) more dated as they are based on skills that hearken back to the sensible era of game design before RM, warlock, falconer debacle

[icy drift]

people also generally like pressing less buttons tbh

[dusky kite]

remember when the primary frostbite build on mage was orb/barrage and not just hold right click with frost claw until you win like now?

yes people would gladly remove gameplay and then complain that playing the game is not fun, this should not be encouraged by game design, but you've heard me ranting about this for years now, we don't need to go for another round of complaints that won't be addressed any time soon

[quiet roost]

Funny enough, I’m not actually arguing for the build to become 1 button. I don’t mind having to actually press 5 buttons to make the build work. I mind that because the mana consumption is so ass backward that I have to treat it like D4…generator / spender. Swipe swipe swipe, combo, swipe swipe swipe, combo. Rather than….being able to actually utilize mana regen (the absolute worse balanced stat in LE) to offset my combo consumption. I’m fine swapping to swipe for single target or a different skill for single target, but swipe is so integral to mana regen that it’s non optional.

I actually like Leap + Pull + Slam feeling because it FEELS fun to actually do that and play that…it has impact

I don’t just want to hold right click and upheaval only

I just want the mana consumption to actually feel realistic

[restive epoch]

Instead of the Mana cost justice crusade here, which wont result in annything, you can make some neat ideas and post them in https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1210289045310017536 where it might actually matter... nothing guaranteed ofc, but better than this here 😄

[quiet roost]

It’ll never get addressed regardless. Do you know how long just getting glaringly obvious bugs fixed takes?

I was hoping to not have to fight the community to have the devs personally experience how poorly balanced mana is on primalist. But instead I had to deal with this instead and now it’ll never get addressed regardless.

So who cares last epoch can continue to be the afterthought of the ARPG genre

[restive epoch]

If you think it will never get adressed right from the start, then there isnt really a point talking about all of this in the first place tbh

[surreal verge]

Fissure is 4 skills in a trenchcoat.

Golemancer sucks as a necro build, at least say wraithlord or abom

Which needs to upkeep 2 buffs

[icy drift]

Honestly you'd be surprised by how much they listen to the community, i know for a fact that they've listened and implemented things i've suggested, and maybe it wasn't just me suggesting them but i know for a fact i was part of the reason they considered it, and it was before i became a mod if that makes any difference. I will say however that people in the CT program (community testers) get more opportunities to chime in since after something is done and launched to the live servers it becomes harder to change it since maybe some people like it that way and so on.

But plenty of things have been taken from the suggestion and feedback forums on this discord.

[quiet roost]

I reported for over a year with video examples that Kindling Blade on Enchant Weapon was not working, and everyone just Numlocked it to bypass spending the point anyway…which makes that node completely and utterly pointless

It took 2 years to get it fixed and that node still exists.

[dusky kite]

it gets good once you get four golems out at a time, at least that's what aaron says

[dusky kite]

4 skills that triggers 40 more, fissure is the epitome of the kind of design they should not be doing

ironically they also don't bother to fix the fissure specific unique sword despite it being literally dysfunctional

[icy drift]

Enchant weapon and spellblade as a whole hasn't gotten pretty much any changes for a long time, and kindling blade shouldn't exist, it's a really old node on a really old skill from back when they did things differently. Fixing a bug on a node that they'll most likely remove is just not really worthwhile, they're currently going through the masteries/classes one by one and revamping them somewhat to bring them to the current standard, spellblade hasn't gotten its turn yet, i'll bet you that when it does kindling blade will be changed or removed entirely.

[rugged sinew]

it does work it just has a set timer on which it re-activates so it doesn't get more uptime with cdr

it's a stupid implementation

[dusky kite]

Last time I played wraithlord (before nerf) it was actually a fairly involved build where you were actively using all of your skills and also the potions

I dont think that the gameplay actually changed at all other than it now deals 98% less damage and it's still be best minion build on necro

B for balance

[quiet roost]

It didn’t for a long time, and if I recall many years ago they removed most instances of CDR from the game which also bricked the node.

[surreal verge]

If it wasn’t for chaos bolt’s mana node existing fissure would suffer hilariously huge mana issues

[rugged sinew]

??? They added cdr

[surreal verge]

Yup,still the same

[restive epoch]

To follow that, is there some estimate date we could see what might get changed in 1.2? I dont mean a literal patch notes, just some more closer info than "class and skill revamp"

[dusky kite]

Other than a few very fragmentary teasers? Probably 2-3 weeks before the patch date

[icy drift]

we get to see a node or two pretty much every week on the streams, they also get posted in the monthly posts on the forums

[rugged sinew]

The issue is cdr doesn't work with the enchant weapon node, you instead get time where it's off CD but doesn't reactivate

[icy drift]

these are the monthly posts https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1285330343926304890

[dusky kite]

tbh enchant weapon is a fairly boring steroid skill that shouldn't exist in the current form at all, its ignite pop node is the only interesting part about it

[icy drift]

agreed

[rugged sinew]

Yeah the 50% more damage just makes it a mandatory steroid for melee builds

With no other reason to actually use it in most cases

[quiet roost]

It’s been a LONG time but I recall many years ago you could get CDR speed reduction on more items than you can now…it was possible years back to get Kindling Blade non-numlocked to reproc on cooldown so 100% uptime.

That changed at some point

It’s no longer possible to my knowledge

I think you used to be able to get it on Helmets and they removed it.

[rugged sinew]

They removed it from helmets and at the same time added it to rings, boots and belts

Which makes it more sources

[restive epoch]

Some base helmets still have it as implicit, but not really much...

[quiet roost]

Fair again it was broken so long I stopped using it. So I haven’t bothered seeing if it can still get to 100% I’d fear with Rings being so valuable it wouldn’t be worth sacrificing those slots for CDR just for uptime, but I could be wrong.

I’d have to remake a spell blade it’s been a while

[rugged sinew]

If you could before it's easier now

Because more sources

[cedar locust]

Spellblade Shatter Strike - we recently had this build feature in our Community Build Spotlight slot, not sure if it will help give you an idea of how Spellblade can be played now, but just in case 😊

[icy drift]

That one doesn't stand a chance vs mine in dps

[quiet roost]

I despise shatterstrike builds

[icy drift]

how dare you

[quiet roost]

Mine back in the day was a mana strike core build with surge

More fun

[icy drift]

this is my counterpoint

[cedar locust]

That's okay, it's not a class I'm very familiar with - I'm a BD main 🙂

[quiet roost]

I used to just surge dash around holding down mana strike with enchant weapon auto casting 100% uptime with lightning shield

Fun times wouldn’t be as strong as shatterstrike but whenever someone says spellblade that seems to be the literal only skill people use

Mana stack to 1000 for 100% crit

[quiet roost]

Im not sure if shatterstrike is one of them but there’s so many buggy things with LE tooltips that they can’t be trusted in most cases.

[icy drift]

nah this is correct, i've made sure of it by killing the dummy

it's actually about double this in reality

because of armour shred and doom

[quiet roost]

Fair

[cedar locust]

Yeah Cyborg prides themselves on building this skill to ridiculous levels 😅

[rigid bobcat]

does critical chance included in tooltip dps ?

[surreal verge]

Yes, and even crit multi.

(Tooltip DPS is still bad)

[rigid bobcat]

i have 400k with flat void and %void weapon with %17 crit chance, but i have 290k dps with flat void and +18 melee crit weapon. not sure which one sohuld i go

[grand shoal]

Testing on a dummy and compare that, is the best we have.

But the difference is so significant, I'd be surprised if the 400k weapon wouldn't win the race.
Tho, as said, tooltips aren't always the best indicator

[desert tree]

The first weapon might have some ailment. That always mess with the dps tooltip

[molten ridge]

Has the Legendary Potential (LP) endgame crafting system received any Qol/Changes, or will it in Season 2? The main thing keeping me from playing last epoch other than the somewhat empty monolith system is that in order to craft my endgame items I'm required to run a literal maze over and over to fight a one shot boss, its like a worse sanctum and I flatly uninstall rather than do it. Any chance this mechanic is seeing some revamping for S2?

Love last epoch, put in a lot of hours and excited to see what it becomes but this specific mechanic ruins endgame for me.

[dusky kite]

no changes so far, nothing solid was announced for s2 either other than vague "dungeon improvements" or some such

[faint cape]

The mazeyness has already been reduced some, plus the addition of some shrines that just open a portal to the end of the floor helps. We have heard there are further improvements coming in season 2, but we don't know what.

[restive epoch]

I dont really see anything that should get changed in Temporal Sanctum or LP crafting...

Is there still the bug that some movement skills can glitch you through the closed gate?

[faint cape]

Some here and there, they tend to get patched out though so not sure which ones are current.

[jovial cypress]

don't you guys like casino :(

[rigid bobcat]

guys i know this is a stupid question but is this physical dmg or something what is it ? 101 added melee dmg it comes from weapon implicit

[restive epoch]

Not a long time ago some guy in game wanted to get rid off LP crafting entirely and just have uniques drop with X random affixes... because thats so much better than actually knowing what you will/might get

[restive epoch]

I'd say any damage you do with melee hits 🤔

[rigid bobcat]

i have +200 void dmg from weapon it probably effected by void penetration but i doN'T know what is that 101 melee dmg, is it void physcal ? in maxroll they added 101 dmg to each dmg type (necrotic, fire, cold) i'm not sure it is correct

[restive epoch]

It should depend with what skill you hit stuff... if you hit with a skill that has "void" tag, it should just add that much damage as void... something like that

[storm blaze]

The melee dmg is converted to whatever dmg your skill is

If i remember it right

[rigid bobcat]

ohhh so it has physcal tag is that mean i doN't hit void dmg ?

[storm blaze]

It will be physical dmg

[restive epoch]

Might be nice to rename it in game to "adaptative melee damage" with a proper explanation 😄

[storm blaze]

But! Rive is getting void conversion in 1.2

[restive epoch]

Was there really not a way to convert Rive to void already? 🤔 its been a long since since I logged sentinel... 😄

[storm blaze]

Nope

[faint cape]

Then everyone asks what adaptive melee damage means, it's the same issue - that's how it was when we had "adaptive spell damage".

[restive epoch]

Just add few sentences explaining it right below "added melee damage" instead of the current "added melee damage" text? 😄

[storm blaze]

People wouldn't read that

Arpg players barely seem to read what they're using
like I've seen people asking why their Serpent Strike doesn't work in global chat
and turns out they're not using a spear

[restive epoch]

Oof 😄

But yea, reading is truly hard

[restive epoch]

I wonder... with the Weaver faction comming, so most likely new WW items, some buffs from faction ranks... do you think we might have some full WW build(s)? 😄

[rigid bobcat]

i would have read if there is something 😄

[desert tree]

In game guide

Also relevant

Irrelevant to the convo but I saw this gem

Thats gold, because this is a concept thats hard to get

[restive epoch]

You mean the concept of ingame guide or ability to read? 😄

[desert tree]

😅

The penetration one

I have seen too many people stacking 150% + res to counter the pen

[restive epoch]

Yea, probably just from other arpgs 😄

[desert tree]

They learn about the penetration and all of a sudden the feel the need to go crazy

A'd then come and say
Ive got 150 res and still get os, so unfair

[frigid badge]

is evade bugged? Sometimes I just reverse back to the original spot I rolled from