❔┃ask-the-community

[tired notch]

Sure

[native sail]

They bring the power of other things UP to make them worth farming

[tired notch]

You keep telling yourself that

Cause they have very little items

[native sail]

I do, because I've seen it happen

[tired notch]

If they make more it'll be unsustainable

[copper fable]

Rogue has been nerfed like 500 times

[tired notch]

Look how slow they are now

[copper fable]

and still out here with 200000 flat melee damage daggers

deleting the screen

[acoustic thicket]

tbf rogue has been an extreme outlier for quite a while lol

[native sail]

I killed my clearspeed to get bigger numbers

[copper fable]

Sentinel too has always just been crazy strong and does not get beat sticked. The only thing that everyone is sadge about is like shaman

and they didnt get nerfed, they just never got buffed

[tired notch]

Once the game is 1.0 they'll have very few choices

[native sail]

bleed axe... Neat.

[acoustic thicket]

Sentinel has design problems that keep it strong lol

[tired notch]

Add more, which they won't add more skills, maybe new classes or rebalance and nerf

[sterile widget]

I've got kids, other interests, full-time work and I could be end-game right now if I didn't hate Lagon enough I want to kill him every character (also other reasons).

[tired notch]

Ok... I've got kids and work and still can be red maps in 8 hours

[acoustic thicket]

They've explicitly mentioned 4th mastery for each class will come before a new class which means each class would get a whole new set of new skills.

source: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[tired notch]

But that's because I'll buy the maps and gear

[tired notch]

Ok... You act like that's a lot?

And then look at the massive time between them

So the meta stays the same every league? Or they have to nerf

[native sail]

looks at PoE

[sterile widget]

Having trouble understanding your concerns here? It seems like you are saying you have limited playtime and find it difficult to enjoy the game in that time?

[tired notch]

Poe meta hasn't changed much recently only because they are gearing for 2.0, which will create an entirely new meta

[tired notch]

Without being able to buy the gear, yes

[native sail]

Literal skill issue

[tired notch]

Target farming one piece for hours sounds horrible

And then to get 1 or 2 leg

[sterile widget]

Hang on - that comment presumes a trade system. Are you having fun currently?

[tired notch]

I've done it here

It sucks

[tired notch]

I did to a point

But then I just wanted to buy the piece so I could build around it

[native sail]

I've done it here, it's fine. I've also farmed hundreds of divines in PoE, and that's not fun.

[sterile widget]

THe phrase "I just wanted to buy the piece" presumes a specific way of acquiring the gear. What if you could acquire it in a different way?

[tired notch]

That's because people aren't good with economy management or use of trade sites and discord mass trade

[tired notch]

I'd be open to it but not rng

[native sail]

[tired notch]

Tft has completely changed poe trade, made it so simple

[sterile widget]

Ok - I hear you saying you want something more deterministic. You can't completely remove the RNG - there's no guarantee that a another person would ever get the exact thing you want. If you remove the RNG, it's a different game

[tired notch]

You can sell your entire inventory in a matter of 10 minutes and then play how you want to play with better gear

[tired notch]

With trade, rng is removed, you just have to afford it. And also, that means you can sell it

With trade, every drop can be massive

Without it's all basically trash

[sterile widget]

No. It isn't. Everybody is subject to RNG in the game. The pool of items is bigger and the likelihood that the thing you want exists is higher. It's not guaranteed

[tired notch]

Ok

So that makes it even worse without trade

I don't see why they just can't add trade and just let you guys play ssf

[sterile widget]

Worse is subjective. Acquisition of specific pieces of gear is definitely harder in a smaller item pool. However, that does not mean it is impossible.

[tired notch]

And just never nerf your drop rates if that's what you're afraid about

No one cares about you guys at all

[sterile widget]

That's a horrible thing to say

Do you speak to people in the real world like this?

[native sail]

I don't want to play SSF, I want to not deal with the ramifications of shit drop rates and still enjoy the game with my friends

[tired notch]

It's the truth, regardless of how sour it is

[sterile widget]

Even if something is true, that doesn't mean we should rub a person's face in it

If you walked in to a football club and said "nobody cares about you guys", what do you think would happen?

[tired notch]

Well, you are in a huge minority and I agree either way sucks for you

We'll see, I bet that once they release a season you'll see nerfs and then wonder the difference

The crap thing will be that a very small few will get to use the awesome items and then once the crazy YT video is made everyone will chase it and it'll be nerfed by the time anyone gets it because they could not buy it

So it will constantly be a chase to enjoy the item while you can

[sterile widget]

That's only if you let what other people are doing determine your goals

You can choose your own goals

[tired notch]

That is an interesting thought

Given most poe goal is to make currency to buy the best gear and then do amazing content that is juiced

[native sail]

My PoE goals are to make fun/weird builds.

[tired notch]

No idea the goal here as once you have your drop no reason to farm anything of value because you can't sell it

[copper fable]

if you read their reasoning its because they want to provide the core experience as one that feels good in SSF. with the current drop rates, trade would be pointless. nothing would have value because the drop rates are tuned for a single player grinding. when you have 1000 doing it, the loot explodes out of control and its much easier to get everything. This screws up the gameplay curve where you get a D3 situation where in 2 days the server is done and everyone quits.

So to provide a good trade experience, they would need to rebalance drops which fucks with SSF.

[tired notch]

You just said people quit when they get their drops

Which we know isn't true because look at poe

[copper fable]

I quit poe when my character is done and the next upgrade takes too many divines.

[tired notch]

Too many? Once you are at that point 8 divines an hour is nothing

[sterile widget]

Well, if you bring your goals from another game and use them as the basis for playing this one (a different game), then you really shot yourself in the foot. You came in with baseline expectations, based on assumptions which may not make sense within a different design

[copper fable]

I play what I like, I dont use TFT, and I dont want to use whatever atlas strat just prints money

if I have to use a discord server to maximize the game experience, there is a serious problem

[tired notch]

Wait, so you trade and don't use tft?

[copper fable]

Yes

[native sail]

Same here

[tired notch]

So no wonder you are in pain

[copper fable]

Yes, I want the devs to make the game correctly not be held up by a 3rd party service that can ban me at any time.

[native sail]

I still make money every league, I just don't need to bother with using yet another third party service for it

[tired notch]

You are actually wasting much more time not using it

You clearly all use discord

[sterile widget]

If TFT is a tool you use to make your PoE experience better, then are you willing to consider in-game tools and options to make your LE experience better?

[tired notch]

It's not anything extra at that point

[native sail]

I use Discord to talk to people I like and keep up to date on LE, nothing more, nothing less

[copper fable]

https://youtu.be/8uE6-vIi1rQ?t=1143 I like this talk, and agree with the guest here.

A rich loot experience and a rich trade experience dont really coexist.

They are at odds with one another

I dont give a shit about loot in poe other then its market value in terms of coinage

[acoustic thicket]

Good ol GDC talks.

Some of my favorite youtube content to consume

[copper fable]

Because its a rich market experience, which is fine if you enjoy that

in LE every purple item I drop I consider "can I use this for LP later? maybe a cool build can use this"

Because its a rich loot experience.

[acoustic thicket]

Yeah, Slormancer also has this experience. they are games designed for different people really

[sterile widget]

SO many tabs!

[native sail]

Based Slormancer

[tired notch]

I just don't like the concept of it only having value in a future build. In poe I never play more than 2 builds a league, and the second build is on steroids due to trade, can't imagine leveling without buying good gear

[acoustic thicket]

Just because a game is in the same genre doesn't mean they are designed for the same people

[native sail]

Then. Don't. Play. This. Game.

[tired notch]

Hilarious

[copper fable]

Heck I spend most of my time LE rerolling because I find some new LP legendary or some unique that makes me go "oh shit I now have dark striders and a good void weapon, time to run lightning fast on a VK"

[tired notch]

So it's OK for you to harp on what you like and try to get others to leave

Only not realizing that the devs want trade in after they fucked up and its encroaching you now

[acoustic thicket]

It's because the devs have already stated that the design philosophies they have are incompatible with what you want.

[sterile widget]

This comes back to what I was saying before... if you bring a set of baselines assumptions and approach from one game, then they might not hold up to the game design of a second.

[copper fable]

Yes, I wanted harvest crafting from the OG harvest to be in the game. And I was told the game was not for me. So why cant I tell people the same for LE?

[tired notch]

No, those dumb devs released another question survey

Another one

[native sail]

@dry narwhal I'LL TAKE IT

[tired notch]

These devs are so fucked and they know it

[sterile widget]

Be respectful

[acoustic thicket]

A survey is nothing more than gathering data.

[copper fable]

I still enjoy PoE, I just dont play it expecting a rich loot experience. I play it cause it makes the screen blow up in pretty colors and that is pog.

[tired notch]

Lmao, ok

[acoustic thicket]

Just because you see it as them walking things back, until they take further action it's nothing more than gathering data.

[copper fable]

They also have no plans to release the data on it

[tired notch]

They've gathered data several times

And ofc they'll never release the data

They are running scared, period

[sterile widget]

This is hugely presumptuous

[acoustic thicket]

I mean, they are allowed to make the game how they want. regardless of what you think at the end of the day.

They could have completely ignored the community and released the game as many titles do.

[tired notch]

But you ssf people are trying to kick us out of the conversation

While us trade people aren't even trying to touch your ssf nice

[acoustic thicket]

Because the devs have already stated their intent from the start.

[tired notch]

Mode

[sterile widget]

That's not an accurate reflection of the current community dialogue

There are disrespectful people on both sides

[native sail]

I am only trying to kick out people acting like they know better and are being assholes about it

[acoustic thicket]

^^^

[tired notch]

No

[acoustic thicket]

Act like an ass, and we don't want you around

[sterile widget]

And there aren't really sides -- everyone has their own viewpoint and perspective

[tired notch]

If 150k people want trade and 5k people want ssf

Then it isn't even a question

[acoustic thicket]

I mean it is.

do the devs want it.

period

[tired notch]

The devs want money

Don't kid yourself

[native sail]

The devs want to make a game.

[sterile widget]

Even assuming you could prove those numbers, profits don't have to be a primary motivator.

[tired notch]

Look at poe to prove the numbers

[native sail]

If they just wanted money they could have just abandoned the project already, they've gotten plenty.

[tired notch]

Not even close

You think they've gotten plenty makes you very naive

Maybe 5 million since release

Maybe

[acoustic thicket]

I mean, they aren't going to survive long term even with trade sorry to say lol.

[tired notch]

That's true at this point

But they could have

Which is sad

[acoustic thicket]

They could have cut their investment to the project ages ago and be totally fine. and started work on another project.

if it was about profit.

But they want to take this for as long as they can because they aren't here just for profit.

[tired notch]

Because they thought that they could

You can't just take it as far as you can without profit

That's literally impossible to keep the servers running and mouths fed

[native sail]

Where the fuck is Kain when you need him

[acoustic thicket]

It's okay, i'm done interacting with clowns for the day. back to coding.

That's less sanity draining that interacting with people here.

[native sail]

You should motivate me to start learning, I keep getting distracted

[sterile widget]

Ok - don't you think you've thrown enough stones for the day?

[tired notch]

Not at this fucking game

[sterile widget]

I'm happy to engage in a constructive discussion, but if you continue to be disrespectful, I'm checking out.

[acoustic thicket]

What kind of coding are you intending to do. like web, app, game, etc?

[native sail]

I currently have a couple courses I purchased access to, one is based around Unity game development and the other is a literal more generic and has web, mobile app, and game development in it. It's nothing serious, I don't really expect to make a job out of it honestly, it's just a long term interest of mine.

Little not literal

Stupid brain

[acoustic thicket]

Okay, if you want to work around unity. honestly just recreate simple mobile games to start with. They are super easy to pick up.

I've made the goal of recreating at least 1 mobile game a week as my coding challenge atm.
Did flappy bird last week, this week i'm doing pop the lock.

Flappy bird i had to follow a tutorial for a good chunk of things, but this week i've not had to follow any tutorials, i've mostly just had to look up specific things in the unity manual for how they work lol

When will the multiplayer be fully implemented? I think I missed the beta weekend?

[native sail]

not a bad idea. Actually kinda clever, gets you an idea of how to make things work rather than setting you loose to stumble around in the dark.

[native sail]

It's still on for a couple more days, it implements on March 9th

[acoustic thicket]

^^

[native sail]

I must go get ready for work, I start in an hour

[acoustic thicket]

I'd recommend Game Makers Toolkit on youtube for his experience with learning to do solo dev work as he only started last year and has detailed his experience.

It was actually his idea on doing it this way lol

at least that's how it was introduced to me

[native sail]

I'll go grab that real quick before I leave then. Thank you, sir/ma'am

[acoustic thicket]

np, and feel free to ping me. i may not have answers but i can always look cuz i will prob need to learn whatever it is myself anways.

[native sail]

Will do! Thanks a bunch

[buoyant roost]

Hey all, in the new beta, did any of you take a a screenshot of the new area size modifier for equipment. Trying to figure out which slots it is in and how much it is.

[dry narwhal]

gloves and amulets only, no i do not know the tiers

[sterile widget]

My T2 on gloves is 8% and I think the range was 8-9%

Pretty good combined with Increased Area modifiers on Idols.

[rough tide]

Hello, anyone know if they released an official post where they say if our current progress will be saved or not when multiplayer will be released ?
Namely, our current characters will be able to join our friends in party while multiplaying ?

[sterile widget]

For online characters, they have separate realms for the current beta event, the event in late Feb and the official release, so no character progress will be retained. https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/will-there-be-a-multiplayer-wipe-after-open-beta/51656

[rough tide]

Thanks a lot, it makes things clearer now 🙂

[kindred lichen]

Did they fix being unable to bind skills to left click for 0.9? I hope so because it'd suck if I couldn't play after they do the update

I couldn't play on the test weekend because of it

So if 0.9 launches with that I'd have to stop playing until they fix it

[jagged cradle]

Is apostacy (convert dodge into glancing blow) still prone to accuracy checks?

[native sail]

WDYM accuracy checks?

[jagged cradle]

There is no accuracy from enemies in last epoch?

[native sail]

No

It's just.... Dodge chance, roll it and find out

[jagged cradle]

Oh so I don't have to worry about overcapping with apostacy.

[native sail]

You shouldn't have to, no. But pretty sure since you're converting it you can't dodge at all.

[lofty swift]

Is there some way to level a new character faster than just doing the campaign again?

[acoustic thicket]

speedhack of course, anyways there is no 😦

[dry narwhal]

there is

[acoustic thicket]

what?

[dry narwhal]

if you have sanctum keys and some levelling gear

[lofty swift]

Obviously no hacking >_>

[acoustic thicket]

i think best way is to do monoliths and get decent level and do campaign faster

[dry narwhal]

you will have to get all passive points/ idol slots one way or the other that is true

[desert quest]

So uhh apparently minions snapshot 😅

Wonder if they will fix this by 0.9 release

Poison ticks every 0.25 second right?

[teal fractal]

Hi, I just installed the beta internal test client. I created a character but it says

online play unavailable

when i try to load in

Are servers down or is there something else wrong?

[desert quest]

If you just switched to the beta branch, Steam sometimes doesn't get all the updates right away

Try restarting Steam

[teal fractal]

ok i will try that, though i did restart steam for an update before launching

yeah tried that, sadly no joy:

[native sail]

Yeah that's been a thing for.... A very long time

[kindred lichen]

can you dismiss minions somehow? Them snapshotting would make it impossible to use combat dummy to work out how much change gear does to the minions if there's 15 minions attacking all at once

Only way I can think of is to log out of game and back in every time you swap a piece of gear to dismiss that minion instead of a 2nd one summoning

[balmy current]

Remove the skill from your bar then put it back & resummon.

[balmy current]

Everything snapshots.

[desert quest]

I am guessing that is not intentional though?

[balmy current]

Er, it's not ideal, but it's how they've got stuff to work. They're aware of it (it's been like this since the beginning) & are working on ways for it to not happen without breaking other stuff or slowing everything down.

[desert quest]

Seems the backlog of this game is huge

[tulip ore]

cant do the quest lagon, the game loads and never let me go to the temple. another have the same pb ?

[wide sentinel]

did you at least register for the playtest? that message is for people who's account wasnt granted access to beta testing

and they might have ended free multiplayer event i thought it was until 10th but i might be wrong, cant find the end date now

[teal fractal]

Yes I registered and got the key and applied it

[dry narwhal]

you may have to reapply, it gets weird sometimes

[lofty swift]

Is the regular version (non-multiplayer) a lot behind?

[desert quest]

Not really. Changes are mostly balancing + new items. Content wise it is pretty much the same

[lofty swift]

kk cool, thanks :). I'm gonna go play there. Multiplayer is just unplayable for me

[buoyant roost]

@sterile widget @dry narwhal Thanks for the reply. Hmmm... do you guys know if there were any specifically specd to minion skills?

[sterile widget]

No idea

[prime peak]

Hello, i played the multiplayer and want to switch to singleplayer. Could anyone sent me a singleplayer save that has unlocked end of time, doesnt matter which class. Thankyou so much

[balmy current]

There's no new content been added for MP, rather it was a case of converting all the offline content to work with MP/online.

[low field]

Is it worth crafting on leveling gear?

[midnight timber]

yes... the only things to use carefully are the rare shards (show up orange instead of tan), usually +skill levels or boosts for class-specific skills

[low field]

okay ty

[midnight timber]

shards become really plentiful later in the game, no need to hoard them 🙂

[low field]

right

[acoustic thicket]

And to make a point on this, add gear that drops with these stats to your filter so you can rune of removal them off gear for more of them rather than trying to get them as drops themselves @low field

Rune of Removal gives you the tier as # of shards, but uses forging potential. it's a great use so you get the shards you actually need. unlike shattering which you should really only do if you can't removal

[low field]

Oh I didn't know that

[acoustic thicket]

i'd say set the filter for those to at least t3 so you don't get a ton of trash. cuz getting 3 at a time i'd say justifies a click.

but you can always filter it more strictly if you find that to be too common.

[sterile widget]

I'm constantly impressed with the level of optimisation people are willing to employ. Hat off to you 🎩

[acoustic thicket]

It's more of a when you are broke on those shards it's much larger of a chore. i'm at the point where i only need to rune of removal exalted items for the good ones. but it's a method to get out of that annoying early spot faster.

[sterile widget]

Fair enough. I run around with my basic filter (hide white/blue, nothin else) on most my sessions 😀

[acoustic thicket]

I run hide everything but exalt/unique at base, and only show rares with specific mod combos with high enough tiers to even look at.

[sterile widget]

I guess with shared stash in offline, once you run enough hours in the game, you get stupid amounts of shit 😄

[acoustic thicket]

Oh no, that's what i was running relatively quickly even in the event

Exalted and uniques are what get me to build a new build anyways not rares. so my rares can be whatever i need specifically on the character.

[sterile widget]

Wild. I'm glad there's people like you to make me feel just a little bit crazy sometimes 😄

[acoustic thicket]

I just don't like sifting through lots of items on the ground lol

[sterile widget]

Oh, for sure. I get that. It just doesn't bother me at all 🙂 I'm having fun making monsters go boom with cool firesplosions

[acoustic thicket]

Oh yeah. i just like spending more of my time doing exactly that. not looking at loot on the ground

[sterile widget]

I see a lot of seasoned players just zooming past stuff on the ground and I'm like "woah. Matey. Slow down. Check that shit out!"

Takes all sorts 😄

[acoustic thicket]

i mean for a lot of seasoned players it's "unless it's exalted it's not worth looking at" cuz they have a stash full of exalteds already

[sterile widget]

And 40 million gold 🤣

[acoustic thicket]

yeah, so they dont really need those items.

[sterile widget]

I heard about the community events (tournaments and races run by Vision?) but haven't done any further research. Is there a good place to find out about those?

It might get me out of my established patterns.
Always good to try something new.

[buoyant roost]

Hey all, I have a few questions about Abyssal Echo's Sanguine Eruption node. Let's say you have some bleed effectiveness that is already applied to the bleed. Does the Sanguine Eruption include that damage from the increased duration/effectiveness of the bleed?

Furthermore, after watching some videos, it seems to me that things like increased damage also apply to the Sanguine Eruption. Meaning things like 'Increased Physical Damage', which effects Bleed, might also effect Sanguine Eruption as well (for basically a double dip on the increased damage). Is this correct?

[lone flume]

I think Sanguine Eruption doesn't deal any dmg by itself it just 'triggers' bleed dmg to be applied at once. So no 'douible-dipping' here

@buoyant roost

[kindred lichen]

Ya know lastepochtools.com? It has a loot filter option on each build but it's not a loot filter made by the build maker but instead one generated by the build on the site itself. How good or crap are those filters it makes?

Are they better or worse than nothing? Are they only for endgame or are they good to use right from the beginning or what?

[buoyant roost]

Got it, thanks 🙂

[buoyant sinew]

They're a heck of a lot better than nothing as long as the gear in the build is accurate to what you actually want. Main problems that I've observed:
-the code that generates them doesn't seem to have been updated in a while, meaning they don't have character level dependency (and therefore you need to add it or uncheck some rules at high levels so it doesn't show way too much) and the shattering base rule that shows up in every filter is a bit buggy
-it only generates based on the gear you put in the planner + some affixes that it decides every build needs. This means it can miss alternative affixes that work for your build but aren't on the gear in the planner, or overvalue some items in cases where affixes from its generically good list aren't actually good for your build

[kindred lichen]

I'm rather sad that there is no builds that use the harvest skill for lich 😦

on lastepochtools I mean

[native sail]

I don't know if Harvest is good enough to be a main damage skill

[kindred lichen]

well there's one for 0.8.5b while others without it are for 0.8.5f

[native sail]

That's barely a different version, feel free to try it

[sterile widget]

Build it and they will come

[kindred lichen]

Yeah it sucks because it's a cool looking skill

It always sucks when all the builds guides avoid the cool skills because the devs make the cool skills suck haha

idk why it's always the cool or fun skills that devs make so bad that noone uses them but in every game it just is lol

[native sail]

...what do you consider the cool skills? Cuz like.... most of the cool ones are VERY viable

[hot carbon]

meteormeteormeteor

[native sail]

Okay if you consider Meteor cool you have bad taste, that thing has possibly the most bland VFX in the game

[hot carbon]

WTF

this is a personal attack

[native sail]

Yes.

[hot carbon]

just because YOU have a headache doesn't mean you need to take it out on me wdf

[kindred lichen]

Well there's just this image of a reaper using a scythe and using it to sweep at enemies lol and to me that's what makes that cool

[hot carbon]

isn't reap basically harvest

[native sail]

Harvest but movement + actually useful

[kindred lichen]

Summon Raptors is cool because they are dinos but can only have like one of them whereas wolfs you can have 5 or w/e

[native sail]

Raptor is viable. And also considerably less cool than squirrels anyway.

You also don't do single minion builds on BM anyway, that's a horrible plan

[kindred lichen]

yeah but a single raptor can't be the whole build haha

[native sail]

A single wolf can't be the whole build

[kindred lichen]

i'd like to be able to have many raptors

[native sail]

A single bear can't be the whole build

A single scorpion can't be the whole build

[kindred lichen]

many raptors instead of many wolfs

[native sail]

The only truly single minion build in the game is Abom because Abom is broken

[safe harness]

if you get the "tornado moves when you do" node, does that make stationary tornadoes no longer stationary?

[kindred lichen]

is that a description of the reap dream mentioned or what?

[native sail]

Mhm

[kindred lichen]

I see no skill called reap on the skills and specs page...

[native sail]

Because you only get it while in Reaper form....

So hold on

You're just calling Aco a reaper? You weren't even aware Reaper was a thing?

[kindred lichen]

huh? Aco?

[native sail]

Acolyte...

[copper fable]

Them is fight'n words

[native sail]

Werebear does not count, sir

[copper fable]

Retaliation bear is more cooler then werebear

[native sail]

But I could just BE the retaliation with the funny sceptre

[kindred lichen]

I haven't made a lich because harvest wasn't used in any builds and necromancer minions appealed more. I wanted to use harvest as a reaper but since no builds uses harvest I gave up on the idea of making a lich lol

[safe harness]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dHe8scurXIzqyEddPV

[kindred lichen]

thought lich was a buff but you used your own skills still in that form

[native sail]

It is but you gain Reap

[copper fable]

You can make a harvest build, but its been changed a bit in the test vs live. either way it will want a specific item that makes harvest do mega damage.

[kindred lichen]

item?

[native sail]

This person doesn't know how to build and seemingly doesn't want to learn how, I have only seen them ask for guides

[copper fable]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCcCZ2I

[kindred lichen]

also isn't live also test? it's early access so idk what you mean by test vs live 😛

[native sail]

....

Live client
MP test client

[kindred lichen]

oh that one

[native sail]

Live client is what the official current update is referred to as

[kindred lichen]

cool

[safe harness]

if you guys are going to chit chat maybe take it to #💬┃general ? Seems like any questions will get lost in all this chatter

[kindred lichen]

early access is a beta test so test loses alot of meaning haha

[hot carbon]

beta test =/= open beta??

[kindred lichen]

Idk how to learn how to make builds, it's not that i don't want to learn but without someone to teach me I have no clue how and i've asked people in the past and noone seems to know how to learn to do it even if they know how to do it themselves lol 😦 any idiot can throw random skills in a skill build website like lastepochtools but that doesn't really make a build.

[hot carbon]

You read. I made my Meteor build with pretty much no input, just because I read what the different trees did and what I concluded would work well together in the long run. Obviously I've had to change some stuff around, but in learning that it wasn't good I have already reaffirmed what I know to be good, and can learn from my mistakes. Literally just read every node, in every tree, in every skill you want to use. It doesn't have to be all at once, but you should always read ahead.
I haven't ever used LE Tools for buildmaking, I just do it in-game.

[kindred lichen]

Hmm well i'm legally blind in one eye and see at 6 meters what normal people see at 18 meters with my right eye. With 2 x 27 inch monitors I have to lean in to within 6 inches of my monitor to read this discord chat and even that makes my eyes sore and tired from the strain 😦 it's be pretty hard to read all of that with these eyes sadly 😦

Wish discord text was bigger lol

[hot carbon]

Have you tried bringing your monitors closer, also you can make it larger

[lone flume]

Guys I got LE-77 error when I try to connect to server. It says client server is out of date but there's no updates in steam

[hot carbon]

Setting -> App Settings -> Appearance

[kindred lichen]

Monitors are already only 2ish feet from me and any closer and no mousepad or keyboard would fit on desk

[hot carbon]

Get a screen reader

Also that's a lot smaller than six meters, still

[kindred lichen]

yeah I said I see things 6 meters away that normal people see at 18 meters like a traffic sign you can read at 18 meters i'd need to get 6 meters away to see it as clearly

[hot carbon]

that

sure

[kindred lichen]

it's how the eye doctors refer to my vision level

[hot carbon]

But if you can read a stop sign from six meters away, you can see text two feet from you

Because six meters is twenty feet

Two feet is 0.6 meters

[kindred lichen]

ty for that I had no idea haha thought appearance would just be how the window looks artistically 🙂 changing from 16 to 24 font size is a major difference

[hot carbon]

[kindred lichen]

no way to make the tooltips for skills in game bigger I guess?

lol

[hot carbon]

No, and while the in-game text is about a font size of ten to twelve on my screen, you're using LE Tools. Just... Zoom in. Or get a screen reader.

[kindred lichen]

How long does reaper form last? it doesn't really say

[hot carbon]

However long your Reaper form health bar lasts

[kindred lichen]

trying to get an idea of if it normally lasts 10 seconds or an hour normally 🙂

[native sail]

Reaper form has its own health bar, separate from your own. It drains over time and drains faster the longer you are in it. When it hits 0 it reverts you to normal and refills your health.

Generally, you get fuck tons of leech and can make it last at least a few minutes on end if done right.

[kindred lichen]

I mean it doesn't really say how big the reaper HP bar is or how long that HP bar would take to decay hence my asking 🙂 Without leech assuming reaper has a default HP bar length and the drain is a set thing i'm sure there's like a minimum it lasts?

[hot carbon]

No, it's just based off your health

The drain is scaling

[kindred lichen]

oh it copys your HP into another bar for that form?

[native sail]

Mhm

[kindred lichen]

so a 2000 HP player and a 3000 HP player might both have a per second drain but it's be like 20 HP a second for 2000 HP and 30 HP a second for the 3000 HP as an example and increase over time?

20 second cooldown sucks but with how it is you'd kinda be in reaper form almost entirely I guess

now I just have to hope death's embrace isn't too rare haha

[native sail]

It is one of the rarer forms

[kindred lichen]

forms?

[native sail]

Sorry, drops

[kindred lichen]

ahh

[native sail]

Trying to communicate in VC at the same time

[kindred lichen]

ahh ok 🙂

[frozen jungle]

anyone know how to change the game back to single player now that the beta is ending? prior to it getting patched

[native sail]

Swap off the beta the same way you opted into it

[frozen jungle]

oh champion, ty

[dry narwhal]

you also have another day on it

[orchid mango]

is any way to get our save files from MP to single ?

[copper fable]

nope

[orchid mango]

that's rly sad

[desert quest]

How do you summon more squirrels with the squirrel helmet? When I summon 1, the skill changes to companion skill.

[lunar holly]

you need to have the claw/fang amulet or the "Safety in Numbers" node in summon doges

[desert quest]

gotcha thanks

[ivory grail]

Do we know what time the servers become unavailable today?

[native sail]

In less than an hour, I believe

[pseudo cipher]

Servers were extended for another day. They'll be on until tomorrow

[ivory grail]

Where is that information posted? And until what time tomorrow?

[native sail]

Oh right. It's the 12th right now. Stupid night shift schedules.

[pseudo cipher]

Unfortunately I haven't seen a public statement beyond this one:

#💬┃general message

But they've let content creators know through other channels that we have an additional day.

[ivory grail]

Thanks!

[buoyant roost]

Hey all, just a question about Salt the Wounds. Would its bleed effectiveness increase effect 'Melee Critical Damage Multiplier' rather than just 'Critical Damage Multiplier' for Melee attacks?

[swift cairn]

If you get the node in Swipe that adds a 2 second cooldown, does the Swipe in bear form also get the cooldown?

[faint cape]

No, pretty sure it's strictly the generic crit multi stat only

[buoyant roost]

Thanks.

[buoyant roost]

Hey all, would Snowdrift's increased frostbite effect work on manifest armor?

[faint cape]

Theoretically it could, but some unique affixes don't work right - could be tested though I think

[buoyant roost]

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, apparently salt the wound didn't work which is a bummer 🙂

I'll have to test it sometime

[balmy current]

Only if it gained Freeze Rate Multi from some other source.

[buoyant roost]

Got it. By 'other source' do you mean the inherited equipment bonuses don't work for this particular attribute? Also, would it be an 8% increase or a 2% increase.

[balmy current]

As Father Toast said, not all unique modifiers work with Manifest Armour. If the MA were to get some Freeze Multi from other gear slots it inherited via the skill tree then it should work, but it's entirely possible that it wouldn't.

If it did, I'd expect it to be modified by the skill tree modifiers (up to 300% more with 4 points in Steel Greaves).

[buoyant roost]

Got it 🙂

[jade bough]

Do I need to finish all mono timelines to acess 100er? or is the 3 lev90 sufficient?

[lunar holly]

just the three 90's, then click the thing in the middle

[mystic ravine]

am i missing something here? theres no zone portal loading and i can't progress.

[sterile widget]

Did you clip outside the fence?

[acoustic thicket]

So, I ended up leaving the game right after I completed the 3rd lvl90 blessing. Left the game the moment I picked the blessing. After coming back I wen't to the center panel to activate my empowered monos and it would not activate. I have all timelines completed with the blessings active... Is this a known bug?

[sterile widget]

@carmine harbor was asking about something similar in dev chat. It definitely sounds like a bug

!bug

[ripe brook]

To make sure a bug gets fixed, please post about it here: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports.

[acoustic thicket]

in the alpha or early beta it bricked one of my characters and a patch or two later they fixed it. Didn't know it was still possible

[sterile widget]

In software, these sorts of regressions occur for numerous reasons. Best to report it. It's fairly serious consequence, so I imagine if it isn't on their radar, they will want to know so they can fix it Asap

[acoustic thicket]

I know, its just ironic that its me again lol

[sterile widget]

We have somebody like you at my work. Constantly finds these sorts of things 😀 thankfully they are usually esoteric and not particularly bothersome.

After you file a bug, you might be able to get it fixed with a support ticket.

Good luck with getting it sorted.

[carmine harbor]

did you get power leveled?

i have a empowered blessing so im running the last non emp to see if it is a fix

[carmine harbor]

@acoustic thicket Fixed

if you had been carried you need to run non empowered 90s

[inner lava]

guys i need halp

[real bone]

How do you guys manage filters for multiple characters/builds? One dedicated filter per build or some kind of generic "show anything that any of my builds might need" filter?

[brittle atlas]

Filter per build with some crossover items highlighted

Mostly just idols or exalts or particular ring affix combos

[vale egret]

How long does the online beta test last?

[dry narwhal]

11 hours

[vale egret]

OKay. Thank you.

[neon seal]

Hey guys I'm planning out a warpath void trail build and looking at the nodes that end up converting everything to time rot, I assume Apocalypse Whirl doesnt end up double converting bleed but rather just overrides Earthscorcher?

Also ig while Im asking questions is armor shred valuable for builds that dont focus on physical damage or bleed?

I can't find info on how armor works 😓

[twin oak]

Armor reduces damage against all hits, bleed is damage over time so armor doesn't matter
For types other than physical armor is 70% effective, so it's still strong
The sweet spot is around 40 stacks of armor shred

[neon seal]

ah ok so even for a void build it would be valuable to get some armor shred

thank you

and one more clarifying question, since apocalypse whirl converts bleed effects into time rot effects, I assume abyssal echoes node "sanguine eruption" would consume time rot stacks? and does that damage count still as dot when it gets consumed or is it considered a hit and reduced by armor?

[neon seal]

ok im an idiot I found the answer to this it says so in the alt text that its overriden 🙏

[sinful vine]

Is there any downside to switching back immediately after Julra explosion? I see a lot of people like Dread always staying on the side they switched to in their videos and dealing with the puddle, but if you switch back there is no puddle

[brave ibex]

Taking Apocalypse Whirl in Warpath isn't going to affect Abyssal Echoes, and consuming a DoT still counts as purely DoT damage

[neon seal]

So this 2nd portion of apocalypse whirl is only applicable to stuff within the warpath tree?

[neon seal]

I figured since it said all sources and effects get converted to time rot this would apply to other skills, gear, etc

I also ask t his bc im taking the node that casts abyssal echoes

in hopes to mass apply time rot basically

and then pop the stacks

[brave ibex]

Yea, it's local to that skill. Ignite and bleed will only get converted for Warpath too

[neon seal]

dang..

[hot carbon]

`

[rapid gorge]

Hi all, I really really enjoy passive builds in ARPGs, as a prime example to what I find fun, coming from Diablo it’s either Multishot Devon Hunter or the Season 26 PTR Necromancer, the one with all the skeleton armies that kept rising from the ground. A lot of my fun in these games get to be from doing less and less as time goes on. Does anyone have some fun passive builds they’ve been able to use to high success? Would love any and all suggestions 🙂

[latent geyser]

Hellu... Is the sever stress test over now? When will the next one be? If any more before march 9th... 🙂

[cinder fossil]

the next one is on the 23rd through the 26th

[latent geyser]

OK! ty sir...

[twin oak]

Probably something with minions like necromancer army or squirrels

[gentle furnace]

Hi, I just got done with the Sentinel "Animate Weapon/Guardian from PoE" Minion build. You auto summon exact coppies of your weapon for a dozen swords to follow you around when casting the whirlwind/cyclone/warpath skill. It was stomping everything in my path from no gear to almost end of monoliths unlocked.

There's of course the entire necro setup, pick your minion and go vroom!

[rapid gorge]

That summoned sword build sounds cool… anywhere I can find a reference to it? 🙂

[rapid gorge]

The necro has squirrels..? 👀

[acoustic thicket]

only primalist

via unique item

[twin oak]

Only primalist with the unique helmet that transforms wolves into squirrels

[rapid gorge]

Ahhhh, okay okay. That sounds fun! I was looking into the Druid as a potential way to engage with that play style, either amassing an army of something or using some kind of high attack speed spriggan

I think the Druid will be the way to go then, yeah? Help scratch that itch?

[twin oak]

Primalist is the class, druid, beast master and shaman are its masteries

You can only get a lot of minions with beast master, if you don't count the swarmblade form in druid

Oh and also spriggan with bees, which I have no idea how it performs

[rapid gorge]

Ohhh, okay okay. I’ll look into it all!! Looks like the perfect class for what I’m looking for. Thanks, all!

[dawn bramble]

I don't understand that loot filter much, I already hide all normal/magic equipment but it still appear on screen. Please help me

[lunar holly]

to always hide all normal/magic items you can just do this:

the wand is not mage-specific item btw

[dawn bramble]

I'll try, thank you

[buoyant roost]

Hey all, I'm considering running a Manifest Armor build with the 'Melee Sweeping Attack' on Shield Throw. Is three any way to turn that 'Melee Sweeping Attack' into a 'Fire Skill'. I want to see if I can combine that with the helmet 'Calamity'.

I know Manifest Armor has a node that adds melee and spell fire damage, but I don't think that converts it.

[queen egret]

Hi there. The server is off?

[sterile widget]

Yes indeed. The next multiplayer event is 23rd - 26th, which will be a content-limited free demo open to all Steam users.

Then, 0.9 in March!

[queen egret]

Tyvm! 🙂

[buoyant roost]

Another question. Is Manifest Armor's 'Melee Sweeping Attack' effected by weapon range, or is it a standard range?

[tidal canopy]

Hey y'all this is the second time I've gotten to a boss room in a dungeon and clicking on the door does nothing. Is this a known bug?

[tidal canopy]

Happened again with the Lightless Arbor, wont let me fight the boss

[sterile widget]

Heya. First I've heard of it. If you think there's a bug, you should report it on the forums so that it gets investigated further.

!bug

[ripe brook]

Please post bug reports on our forum: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports. Thank you. :smile:

[tidal canopy]

Thanks, wanted to make sure no one has seen it before

[dry narwhal]

i think it would be better to report something and have 2 reports of it than no one reporting it

[dawn bramble]

Hi, I only tick on these items but why it still appears other items not in the list on the ground?

[sterile widget]

Rules are evaluated in order and stops when one is true.

So, a rare 2h spear is not shown by your first rule, but is also not hidden by your second

[dawn bramble]

Therefore, I need to add these item that I've not mentioned in first rule to 2nd rule?

or do I need to add one more rule about this 2h spear?

[sterile widget]

As a suggestion, I would try:
-throwing some various stuff on the ground

• adding rare to your hide rule Then see what happens.

Then try switching the order and pay attention to how different items appear and disappear.

If you want to go deeper, there is an edited version of Heavy's guide here: https://www.neoseeker.com/last-epoch/guides/Loot_Filters

[dawn bramble]

thanks alot

❤️

[jagged cradle]

I'm assuming this does not benefit from ensnaring roots tree.

[dry narwhal]

Well the skill is entangling roots so it shouldn't be affected i think?

[desert tree]

different name different skill

[oak iris]

What are some good builds that can be played from scratch (including transitions from others) that do consistent damage? I really liked only bowmage so far. Then tried lightning blast + static orb, didnt like much and mana strike + surge/static felt inconsistent for dealing damage which makes it more difficult to me to dodge stuff.

Also no death seal stuff

[warm yew]

Marrow Shards Lich - with or without a Bone Golem - and Cold DoT Werebear is really consistent.

[oak iris]

The lich doesnt need death seal?

[warm yew]

No - Death Seal is incredibly powerful, but it's not mandatory at all. I'd recommend looking into low-life builds, since most of them don't use it, at all

[carmine coyote]

Death Seal/Reaper Form are pretty mandatory in every lich build

[vapid aspen]

I suggest high life ward lich over low life ward lich

You get like double the ward

I've hit 24k

The thing about LL ward is that its bad for ehp and self chilling feels like crap

[copper fable]

The only time LL should be considered is 1, you like it and really want to use it, or 2, you are some kinda weirdo whos build cant leech, gets ward retention(int stacker) and cant get regen easily.

[vapid aspen]

So like, LL ward does have more use cases than that

it is not objectively bad in all cases

But you should have a really good reason for it

[copper fable]

I mean I guess LL primalist stuff its considerable, but again most of the time everyone is just going to be leeching.

[vapid aspen]

IE: Look a 3lp exsang with t7 inc life, t5 flat life, and t5 vitality.

[copper fable]

Sure, I guess if you have a good one your use case gets better

But man leech just feels so much better

[vapid aspen]

Yeah exactly you should never use a non LP exsang + last steps

they are common and drop with lp often enough that you can get them

But for me its a stupid decision because the time you spend doing that could be spent farming out better items like the RV + twisted heart combo

[copper fable]

Ward cup is pretty good for the builds that might go LL ward too.

[vapid aspen]

Yep rv twisted and rv strife are some of the strongest defensive combos in the game.

Realistically the values on ll ward items just need a bump up by like 30% and the self chill on last steps should stop existing

or at least the self chill should have frequency adjusted so you only sit at one stack, or it could have reduced chill effect on you. Idk, basically anything to make that less horrible feeling

also the potion issue with auto use and not having a setting is kinda dumb

like even for non LL ward sometimes you arent using potions for healing. Sometimes you are using them for temp power through various items. In those cases you basically need to treat potions on the floor as landmines. Its the whole reason I dont play those types of builds, if I dodge in the wrong direction in a boss I am just deleting a few seconds of uptime on higher dps

at this point I'd even just take a 1x1 idol with like "potions are not used automatically when at full, 20% reduced chance to find potions"

[twin oak]

The worst thing about low life right now is that you can get healed by other players and there's nothing you can do to avoid it

[vapid aspen]

Just dodge the healing

[quaint canopy]

hello guys, im new at the game and I try out filters but i think mine is completely bug and I can't get my weapon back

[ivory grail]

I find the auto-generated filter from the build planner to be a good starting point. Are you following a guide of any kind? If you do, click on the planner for the build and click on the funnel icon on the left. If not, you can import your character into the planner, and generate.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[quaint canopy]

no i don't follow any build and made my own filter

[raw fern]

Try pressing Z or ALT+Z

[quaint canopy]

wtf thx man

[ivory grail]

But if you do want to auto-generate and then tweak, do this:

1. Click on the link above.
2. Click on the file icon with the arrow to import your char.
3. Click on the funnel icon to generate the filter.

[brittle void]

any good for voidknight?

[balmy current]

If you want to do Abyssal Echoes, probably yes.

[brittle atlas]

mediocre base, bad suffixes

probably removal/shatter it for the rare affix shards imo

or try to chaos the suffixes, but your chances are quite low to hit something good

[neon seal]

Hey guys is there not a way on the character sheet to see time rot chance??

[balmy current]

Nope

[neon seal]

Eh doesnt matter anyway I didnt know time rot is capped at 12 so I deleted the vk lmao

Total bummer was really hyped to try and do a time rot build with void trail warpath

ty anyway tho

[novel smelt]

Does addind flat damage to skill affect its damage with ailments?

[sharp ibex]

No, not the typical ailments (bleed, poison, ignite, frostbite, etc.), but if the spell is a DoT, like Maelstrom, then added spell damage applies to it's DoT damage.

[midnight mango]

I'm trying to add chance to shred armour on hit to this bow but it doesn't show up in the suffixes when I put it in the crafting window even though it's written "Can be applied to bow"

[acoustic thicket]

My Waypoints are locked. What's the cause. A few hours ago everything looked fine.

[sterile widget]

I think you've found a bug or tooltip issue. You can report it on the forums.

!bug

[ripe brook]

Please post bug reports on our forum: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports. Thank you. :smile:

[high ether]

Is there a known cap to the number of multiplayer characters you can create?

[native sail]

I assume the same as solo. Which is a lot

[sterile widget]

I know what I'll be doing while waiting for friends to download the demo....

[floral badge]

Do you have any chance to shred shards? You can’t apply an affix if you don’t have shards for it.

[midnight mango]

I do have shards for it. it's just a bug

[carmine coyote]

You cannot roll armor shred on bows

[lunar holly]

Yeah, but the shard says you can.

[orchid turret]

really considering getting this game but have a few questions.

Biggest game it compares to?

been jumping between torchnlight and superfuse but have never tried this game but ive heard only great things besides it not beiing multiplayer currently so all the feedback is welcome!

[raw fern]

From 23.02 - 26.02 you will be able to play/try the game for free if you don't have it

[orchid turret]

whats your experience with the game so far

[raw fern]

I'm mostly POE player who jumps into LE between leagues. I play LE for two years and the game has changed a lot every time i got back.

The game has solid bones, easy crafting, expandable endgame

it needs some polish here and there. A lot of VFX/SFX/Animations will be updated in the March 9 relese

[orchid turret]

thats good to know

thanks for info ill probably bite and get it tbh

[raw fern]

After the recent multiplayer event i don't want to play the current version (0.8.5) since the new one is so much better 🙂

[wide sentinel]

dont forget combat where you can actually see enemy hits and projectiles and not getting one shotted in 0.1 seconds when u walk into a pack

[orchid turret]

this game covered well?

like youtube builds and such?

[dry narwhal]

yeah, but also probably gonna get a flood of more when .9 drops

[raw fern]

Yes, but we had a year with no content, because of multiplayer/performance/visual updates so current guides will be outdated in 3 weeks 🙂

My suggestion is to go to: https://www.lastepochtools.com/ and check Builds, planner

If you like theorycrafting 🙂

Maybe check items

This is constantly updated and it's good resource for the game

If you played Grim dawn you know the author 😉

[sterile widget]

Check the #🎥┃video-shoutout for vids created in the testing period alone. Also, LE will have a maxroll section, coming March apparently.

[orchid turret]

this game looks beautiful

first build that grabbed my attention was a bladedancer shuriken build

looks lovely

[sterile widget]

It's a nice looking game.
The current live version is nice looking.
Believe it or not, the patch in March looks even nicer

[raw fern]

But one thing, current live version (0.8.5) can have performance issues. This is something that will be improved in 3 weeks. So for best expiernce lock the FPS to 60, even if you think your PC can do more 😉

[orchid turret]

good to know thank you

so many builds

[balmy current]

That'll keep your pc quieter as well

[orchid turret]

idk what to choose hahaha

actually let me watch some youtube vidoes first

[raw fern]

don't lock the FPS if it's chilly in your room, it will get really hot 😉

[orchid turret]

didnt know you could use a controller

wow

[wide sentinel]

wouldnt suggest doing that for now

[orchid turret]

why?

[wide sentinel]

many people reported bugs with it, not sure if they fixed those yet

[orchid turret]

ive seen some things while playing like not being able to pickup stuff

but if you move your mouse and go back it resets

thats the only problem ive had so far

[robust crater]

is there a place to look at at 0.90 patch notes?

[buoyant sinew]

there are no patch notes yet. they'll be posted close to launch

[robust crater]

okay cool, thank you

[lost pilot]

What sort of trading is people mostly down for, Group based as they've already announced with the gift system? or an open market as in e.g. Path of Exile?

[nocturne holly]

any word on when ct will be back up again?

[wide sentinel]

as the game is now there is literally no point in open market they can add it and nothing would change except that 0.001% of top players will be able to get better loot

everything besides super endgame unrealistic items is farmable solo within reasonable time and tbh even those items in many cases wont give you insane boost compared to what you can reasonably get

[sterile widget]

Official CT program have their own Discord. If you are talking about the MP testing environment from the past 10 days or so, public (open, non NDA) access is done and dusted.

The event next week is a different environment and access will likely be via different means (nothing has been advised yet).

[lost pilot]

Interesting take @wide sentinel because I think I'd have to disagree. Yes it would definitely be easier for top-end players for making either new or hyper minmaxed.
The thing with an open market or open market trading would allow for both newer players to get access to those top 1% players "layed off" items. Meaning they'd have access to actual higher-end cool items easier.

Yes there could be an argument for the game to become either too easy or easier. That's a balancing and drop-rate issue.

And as you mentioned yourself for the top-end 1% blasters they would only slightly benefit from this anyways 🤷‍♂️

[wide sentinel]

yes, the thing is that the items that are worth trading and are counted in that tier can be only traded for the items of the same power. Like no one would trade 3lp bastion or 2 lp wings for gold or some exalt/low tier uniques

so imo if that happens not tryharding players will just not be able to buy those kind of items unless they get a super lucky drop

[lost pilot]

But if you get a lucky drop. e.g. a 2 or 3 lp bastion.
You're stuck with it if you're playing a bow-focused character?

[wide sentinel]

yer but worth it implimenting trade for 0.002% drop chance items?

[lost pilot]

Then you would be able to trade around, maybe for a 2 or 3lp mourningfrost or something :b

[wide sentinel]

also with current state of the game if you got this kind of drop you better making a new char that will use it after finishing gearing your rogue

[lost pilot]

Lol it was an example 🙂
You can't talk about trying to trade off a high-value item for a low-value one? The whole idea is trade should be available within the tiers. IF you get a very nice minion or caster exalted wand you would probably want to be able to trade it off for either another exalted item and so on

As of right now I've been stuck on my hammerdin build farming for a t7 exalted ring. I would (if there was a market or econ) save up for said ring by either crafting and providing other items until I could afford said ring

[wide sentinel]

ofc you want to trade it and ofc itll be slightly more convinent, my point is...that trade will make gearing your char in 1 month into finishing it in 1 week

[lost pilot]

But mainly playing on my rogue

[wide sentinel]

which will only make it worse imo, unless they change things

[lost pilot]

Why?

[wide sentinel]

imagine u got trade, made a char 99% minmaxed it in 1 week with trading...what are you going to do after?

the gearing is already super fast its not like in poe, so with trade itll be just a joke

[lost pilot]

Have fun, maybe be done with the character. Feel accomplished. Try a new character. Mess around with the build. Make new builds

[wide sentinel]

and one week is generous , if you got a 4stack that plays a lot+trading itll be way faster

[lost pilot]

I'm not saying it should be exactly like PoE but that's one of the biggest things PoE has done right over the years. An open market where when you're "done" with the build you can mess around, try alot of stuff. WITHOUT a 1 month expense in playtime

You are absolutely right, but the whole argument about Group play is sort of a separate issue here - I'm talking about p2p trading

[wide sentinel]

1 month is a generous estimate and you will reach a very solid level of power much faster, with 3-4h per day of efficient play

you should check the vods of some streamers like lizard, people got full exalt inventory with almost bis items in half a week

[lost pilot]

And if they were to balance the game according to having an open market that should/would and probably will be alot harder to obtain 🤷‍♂️

[wide sentinel]

that is what they will never do, at least if i understood their ideas right. they always said that the main source of gear upgrades will be from drops

and they want drops to feel impactful

so balancing game around trade kinda contradicts that, but we will see what they will do

[lost pilot]

One would not eliminate the other.

Why am I pointing that out?
There's multiple ARPG's on the market. The big ones have trade.
The one that doesn't have trade and have a 2-3 day lifespan due to drop-focused gameplay is Diablo 3.
The most successful long-term, live-service games have trade. Why? Because it works to retain players.

[wide sentinel]

in terms of playerbase and success diablo 3 is still better than poe, also d4 will not have trade either. Trade is good but not neccessary for success imo

[lost pilot]

If you want to farm drops, go for boss-rushing and hope that special unique drops. want to farm for specific S-tier uniques? Go farm the zones with higher drop-rates of shields from the mono's.
If they reduce the drop-rates of everything and tune around people being able to trade-off items they don't need they'll get more access to it.

[copper fable]

this is the problem, us SSF type players dont have THAT much issue with drops. So yes if you add trade, drops are too plentiful and it would require drop rate nerfs.

[lost pilot]

SSF is a self-imposed challenge that players put upon themselves and have always been 🙂

[copper fable]

which would lead to SSF players being displeased and atleast me as a player, ill just play PoE over last epoch if last epoch has a trade economy.

LE is unique/fun because its a self containied SSF balanced game. if it becomes a "poe-lite" why would I play a game with 1/10th the content with the same balance scheme?

poe will always have the upper hand in that regard.

[brittle atlas]

Because you've played a lot of PoE and LE is something different?

[wide sentinel]

itemization has 2 main components : drops and craft. Trade is the third component that is made to balance out/fill in first two. as you can see in poe 1st and 2nd were made very meaningless in terms of solo progression so the trade took over. That doesnt mean that every game should be like that

[brittle atlas]

That's like 90% of my motivation to play anything that exists tbh

I've played a lot of the other stuff in genre and want something new and different

[copper fable]

Yeah, but currently I feel like I engage with it because its different. if it has the same shitty drop/gear ratio as PoE, I dont have enough time to play it.

[lost pilot]

The fuck? Trade, drops and craft are neatly intertwined with one-another in poe?

[copper fable]

Currently I spend lots of time on poe, then use my free time for having fun in LE. if LE is a full job like PoE, I simply dont have enough time to play both.

Some trade can be fine in LE, but a full economy? its just poe lite at that point, and just a shadow of a better game.

[brittle atlas]

I don't think so

even if with full trade, LE wouldn't really be PoE

[lost pilot]

And wouldn't even be close either

[copper fable]

Yeah it wouldnt have any content so it would wither real quick

[brittle atlas]

eh

[lost pilot]

I don't think so tho

[brittle atlas]

I don't think that'd make that kind of difference

games like Grim Dawn/Wolcen have full trade and that certainly isn't the reason those games are withered.

[lost pilot]

THere are more games than PoE with an open market that works just fine 🤷‍♂️

[wide sentinel]

you are misunderstanding, what im saying is that if you try poe ssf itll be extremely limiting in terms of build viability and item progression will be harsh. Look at all ssfhc players, they all play very specific skills that require easily obtainable gear(usually deterministicly crafted). And that is because drops and craft without trade cant get you good gear in that game(in reasonable time with average build)

[copper fable]

Those games also are not really live service, dont know much about wolcen, but as far as I understand, grimdawn is fully modable/hackable.

So of course trading does not matter, you can simply spawn anything you actually wanted

[brittle atlas]

Grim Dawn I think nowadays is primarily played via community driven leagues/mods where the small scale economy and fresh start is the main appeal

[lost pilot]

This is just the ones I could think of in my head, (that is not Wolcen(rip) or Grim Dawn)
Torchlight infinite
Diablo 2 Resurrected
Diablo 2 before Resurrected
Undecember

[wide sentinel]

ig my main point is that trading is not impactful enough to even bother implementing in LE right now

[brittle atlas]

with current LE balance, yeah

trade does very little

[copper fable]

I think for the most part, this game will fall into a similar cycle for the hardcore players. After a week of a league, most players will simply opt for weekend tourneys.

[brittle atlas]

because items are ez af to get

[copper fable]

Atleast with current balance

[brittle atlas]

but so many items in LE have no value because of that

[copper fable]

I think when it comes to trade, we should first tackle the fact that some builds just shit all over other builds first. like for example lots of people think gearing in LE does not matter, but for some skills it does, and others you can clear the game naked

the skill balance is just too out of whack to consider what is actually happening yet

[brittle atlas]

There's very little in LE that is truly exciting to get item-wise, because items have such limited value due to how common they are. The ability to have relevant drops left to find is extremely short lived when those items only have direct value to you instead of in an economy

[lost pilot]

You can never for the love of god compare trade to ssfhc.
First of, hc is such a challenge in poe and ssf is self-imposed. POE is balanced around having an economy.
When you take away 1/3 of a games gear-progression systems it'll get alot harder.
Same goes if LE had shitty crafting. If you COULD NOT do hand-me-downs in Last Epoch every drop that is not for your build is highly insignificant

[wide sentinel]

you literally said what i was trying to say...that poe is balanced around economy and that exact thing makes it different from many other arpgs that could balance craft/drops without need of trading

[copper fable]

I think this relates entirely to how many builds simply ignore offensive gearing for defensive gearing.

if you had to actually get an item that had a really good offensive modifier and defensive modifer on chest the loot hunt would last much longer.

[brittle atlas]

I mean, I don't really gear that way and feel the same tbh

[wide sentinel]

but its still possible to make a decent arpg without trading, its not a must

[lost pilot]

But it's most certainly a strength for playerbase retainability

[brittle atlas]

I tend to play super glass cannon builds because defense barely matters either and most things are cheesed with dps

unless you're pushing arena you can do glass cannon all day

[wide sentinel]

that is debatble...look at all console andies who still playing d3 after 10 years

[brittle atlas]

and be fine

[copper fable]

Well thats sorta another issue, but conflicts with design pillars

[wide sentinel]

and there are plenty of them

[lost pilot]

Console players are a different breed tho 🤷‍♂️

[copper fable]

I think LE is really trying to be a grind simulator for hardcore players, while retaining casual access.

[wide sentinel]

they are players too and their interests and values are as important as any other players

[brittle atlas]

I don't think it succeeds at being a grind simulator

you're borderline done with the grind on any character within a couple hundred hours

[wide sentinel]

imo games should definetly take them in consideration for sure, especially considering that they are much larger population than tryhard and harcore gamers

[copper fable]

Well id argue it does, just probably not in the way people want.

you could grind for crazy 2-3 prop exalted and 4lp items in slots

most people simply wont for good reason

[brittle atlas]

maybe if the game gave you a reason to pursue those other than seeing your character sheet numbers go up

there's no content that remotely needs gear like that to kill it as fast as your character can move

[copper fable]

Well if you offered a reason to do that, the casual players would be upset that they cant access those drops/content

[lost pilot]

There is currently no reason to grind out such high-value items anyways 🤷‍♂️ because as @brittle atlas states, the game is doable with the bare minimum as long as you play the right skill

[copper fable]

which would infringe on the design pillar of an "arpg for everyone"

its a cursed problem tbh

[lost pilot]

There's no such thing as an ARPG for everyone.

[brittle atlas]

the game itself can be accessible, easy to learn, etc. while having content that appeals to a more endgame crowd

[wide sentinel]

i think le is doing just fine, its primitive enough to attract casual gamers and has some depth

[brittle atlas]

that's how you make an arpg for everyone, don't put a vertical wall of learning curve at the front end of it

[lost pilot]

and would also attract people who enjoy trading and grinding to be able to exchange highvalue to highvalue item-slots 🤔

[copper fable]

Well Id argue even a game like poe is fairly easy, just doing white maps is brain dead easy, but you just simply get nothing for doing white maps.

[wide sentinel]

sure they wont attract everyone, but its a good spot that they are aiming towards right now

[brittle atlas]

the issue is poe turns off new players immediately by introducing an overwhelming wall of complexity

there are ways to ease people into systems

and build complexity over time

[lost pilot]

Most definitely not considering they're shrugging off the people interested in trading

[brittle atlas]

which LE generally does well enough

[wide sentinel]

yep 50% of playerbase didnt even kill kitava

[lost pilot]

That's the nature of being a free game?

[copper fable]

I guess, I just think there is a disconnect with what people actually want. The most common complaint ive seen is "I dont have bastion/exsang in 200 hours"

but if you want good gear in 200 hours, then isnt hte game perfect for these people?

[brittle atlas]

if they don't have bastion/exsang in 200 hours they're afk in EoT

[wide sentinel]

^

for real

[brittle atlas]

you can probably have those items inside of 50 hours

or less

[copper fable]

like I dunno it feels like we live in this world where people are complaining they need trade cause gear is too hard to get

[brittle atlas]

the only items that might push 200 hours are the lower end of RV luck or the new ring

[copper fable]

but currently the game is dummy easy to get gear in

So im not sure where we went wrong

[lost pilot]

Can you explain what you meant here tho?

[wide sentinel]

that poe is VERY not newbie/casual friendly

[copper fable]

Well thats a bit of a misdirection imo

[brittle atlas]

in a trade system, these are the people that you sell to 🙂

[lost pilot]

PoE is also VERY much a free game. Alot of players in that portion is people who download, try for 2-3 hrs and drop it

[copper fable]

^

trade bots never kill kitava

but counter towards that limit

[lost pilot]

Also true

[wide sentinel]

still, you cant argue that its a newbie friendly game, thats cap and copium

that statistic was more for memes

[lost pilot]

Never said it is 😂
But as CW mentioned in alot of PoE's livestreams: As soon as we get a player to maps, we count them in.

[wide sentinel]

ye thats why i dont even like comparing le to poe, imo le should never aim for poe like playerbase

[lost pilot]

And yes poe is a multi-faceted game with alot of intricacies which is why @brittle atlas was completely right saying LE is never gonna be PoE so we shouldn't worry about that happening

[wide sentinel]

they are losing a lot on casual playerbase if they do so and they can attract some of poe playerbase anyways cause usually those people will play any arpg just to try out

[lost pilot]

yes but trying out and sticking around is two separate things.

You will not RETAIN people without having systems in place TO RETAIN them.

[wide sentinel]

if the game is good people will stick with it, doesnt have to be super hardcore or complicated for that

[wide sentinel]

and in le its different cause they need to buy a game to try it out, and most likely they will

and if they bought but didnt stick thats already a win for le

[lost pilot]

Poe has a hardcore playerbase in general, even a casual in poe is sometimes regarded as hardcore in other games.
but PoE is not retaining the hardcore playerbase because it's complex. It's retaining it because it has alot of facets, alot of things to explore. alot of things to do in general.
PoE has ALOT of flaws aswell but if LE should do something good for themselves would be looking at a game like POE and look at what they're doing right. And one of those things is definitely an open market

[copper fable]

well see thats where I disagree, im a very hardcore player in some aspects, with 1600 hours in LE

and I actually play LE to avoid the trading of PoE

I enjoy the better SSF experience in LE.

SSF is my chosen game mode, but its actual hell in PoE

I played lots of hours in Tl2, and grimdawn never feeling the need to trade or even wondering about ssf vs trade as a concept

But PoE shatters that dynamic

I think LE would lose its market appeal by just being "poelite 0.5"

it has to find its own niche

[lost pilot]

Actually interesting take, have you given Torchlight: Infinite a shot yet @copper fable

[copper fable]

No, I keep wanting to try it, it has lots of interesting systems

[wide sentinel]

ye poe is the only arpg that makes you feel...damn i need to trade NOW and its definetly not a good feeling. in any other arpg that i played i was enjoying the game, thinking abt my build and progressing, not once i thought " if only i had trade rn "

[copper fable]

but anytime i look at it, the reviews have gone from "recently good" to "recently mixed"

and I go "am I ready for this?"

I tried undecember and got owned by being unable to set up my build

[lost pilot]

It is alot more f2p friendly than poe, has an open market and everything is somewhat manageable to obtain without much work :b

Undecember is rough due to it's p2w model afaik

[copper fable]

I have probably 15k hours in poe over the years, I stopped played it on steam many years ago, using stand alone these days. I have 6k hours on steam just about. I have 1600 last epoch hours, and spent a whopping 400 hours in chronicon and like 300 in TL2

like 90% of poe hours are pre 3.0 tho

[lost pilot]

THat's a weird statement @wide sentinel, trading is something you self-impose and you can most definitely get a long way without touching trade whatsoever. Simply by knowing a thing or two about items to pick up.
I've had multiple moments in LE where I had that exact feeling of "Aww if only I could trade this item to my friend" or "Aww this item would be amazing for a build I'll never play because I don't like the playstyle"

[copper fable]

I feel like poe took a turn for the worst after 3.0 when the game systems got too focused and agressive for me.

[lost pilot]

I started poe in 3.9, not sure what you mean sry

[copper fable]

So most of my modern poe time is just using poe for its good points, which is zooming and screen exploding. PoE feels good when im just blasting. LE is my game I go to to work on my long term projects and play sessions focused on progression.

[wide sentinel]

" trading is something you self-impose and you can most definitely get a long way without touching trade whatsoever" not in poe, at least from my experience. And the worst part abt that game for me personally is that it was forcing people to farm a lot of currency and basically turning you into farm/trade bot in order to buy really op gear

[copper fable]

Yeah poe is very much balanced around you trading, choosing to not trade is taking a self imposed restriction.

As stated by the devs themselves.

For me the ideal would be a league where people could trade in LE, but it would be the inverse of PoE, it would be like "Trade might make your gearing experience much faster and streamlined, and is not the intended game mode of LE"

[lost pilot]

I will say that PoE have a very harsh balance towards trading. Having to e.g. kill 100-200 of the same boss to get a specific drop is somewhat tedious when said boss required 32 maps to spawn

[copper fable]

like PoE says for SSF

[wide sentinel]

yep you have to think a lot abt what you gonna farm, how to setup atlas, how to juice maps....imo thats just pain

sure some people enjoy that, but its like 1%

[lost pilot]

I think it's alot more than 1% tbf

[copper fable]

well most players simply choose to not engage

[wide sentinel]

majority is alch and go

[copper fable]

I have a guild of 20~ or so players

about maybe 1-2 them actually do more then the required bosses for watchstones

and most get carries for said watchstones

then the rest of the time they just sell the invite

because its worth more on average to sell it, you lose money by running it.

unless you run hundreds

[lost pilot]

Some of my friends also only acquire watchstones finish atlas then quit the league

[wide sentinel]

im talking about people who actually find entrtaining to think about how to farm/setup etc not people who just copy strats to avoid it alltogether and couldve enjoyed the game without all of that

[lost pilot]

Are you saying the ones actually doing the farms or the one looking for new farms?

[wide sentinel]

im talking abt those who create farm strategies basically

or enjoy theorycrafting/changing the existing one's

[lost pilot]

If you're not a 0.1% of the community you don't do that at all, most people look for something they enjoy and spec into it OR find a guide someone made a theorycraft over. This is not uncommon for poe since it as I mentioned before is a multifaceted harsh game and it does punish you on your currency-stash as soon as you juice something the wrong way - sadly

That is definitely something that is a trending thing in poe and has been for quite some time now.
Do a farm, wait till Grimro tries that same farm, reroll 😂

But I agree that some of PoE's droprates are abyssmal especially after the 3.19 nerf. Which is really sadge.
The thing I mostly regret when advocating for LE is that I cannot trade with friends without them having to be in my viscinity. (Also why none of the people I know will touch D3 with a 10-foot pole)

[copper fable]

This is a mixed bag for me

cause my poe friends sorta of felt this way with LE too

but at the same time, if I could just farm for 600 hours then funnel all my friends, they would just quit right away

because unlike PoE which has tons of aspirational content, this game just has none.

[lost pilot]

Which I definitely hope will be added too!

[copper fable]

That content does not even have to have valuable drops, there just needs to be more content.

[lost pilot]

I mean, an endgame boss that enables builds is not a bad thing either, time for reroll or hand-overs 🤷‍♂️

I think some of the most aspirational bosses are dungeon bosses at level 100 right now

or high-end arenas

[copper fable]

Yeah, and if you dont need/want that grind you just sorta... stop first. my friend did bowmage, and he grindout out his mourning frost/bow

which he enjoyed a lot

but hten it was like "well grind 100 more hours for exalted dex which is 30% more damage"

and it kinda falls flat, there is corruption to push, but there needs to a better curve that does not plateu as fast as the leap from t5 to t6 or t7

but its a hard problem to tackle

[wide sentinel]

there are very very few enabling uniques, besides bowmage and maybe 2-3 more everything else is BIS not build enabling(aka you can play the same build and itll work without unique)

[copper fable]

That is also another thing im really on the fence about

I think a huge problem is locking what is basically build enabling items behind rarity

[lost pilot]

I think having build-enabling uniques is what makes uniques unique

That was an amazing sentence. damn

[wide sentinel]

like those uniques change how things work but dont make build unplayble without it

[copper fable]

a great example is the wolf helm that turns them into squirrels. There is so many people who first build is "well I wanna play squirrels" and they grind 50 hours for the hat, dont get it, then leave right away

[lost pilot]

I farmed out Mourningfrost with t6 dex from an exalted item in like 5 LP tries

[copper fable]

that build is not strong enough to justify locking the entire build behind a rare ass item

it just creates situations where people feel like they need it instead

[dry narwhal]

wolves are pretty strong without the helm though

[lost pilot]

That is true - but that would've been possible with... wait for it.... trade 😉

[copper fable]

Yeah but hten you get the inverse with trade(assuming no drop penalties)

where day 3 of the cycle happens

there is 1000 hats on trade

they buy the hat complete the build and cycle is done

[lost pilot]

They buy the hat start building the build, minmax, have fun, complete whatever they want to complete with the build, onto the next one

Allowing them to try more builds at a more acceptable time-cost

[copper fable]

most players ( i dunno why) simply never swap to a new build

[dry narwhal]

you vastly overestimate how many people play one build and quit.

[wide sentinel]

thats the thing, its already doable on the last open mp week a guy maxed out 5 builds in 1 week

without trading

[lost pilot]

You're probably right Tyurik, but I know ALOT of people who tries 5+ builds every poe league

[wide sentinel]

ofc not fully maxed out, but exalt level

[copper fable]

you can mixmax the build before the hat too, but because the hat exists, peoples expectations are set. its just a problem with items probably being too rare for their actual value.

[dry narwhal]

and your argument is no different than the hundreds of people we have already talked to.

we have this same conversation basically every day if not every other ad nauseum

[lost pilot]

Okay and what's the issue here?

So my argument is the same as hundreds of people, meaning hundreds of people agree with what I'm arguing 🤔

[dry narwhal]

i'm just so sick of this.

[carmine coyote]

Did someone mention trade again?

[lost pilot]

That doesn't seem very constructive 🤔

[dry narwhal]

i know you don't care, we'll probably never see eye to eye about it.

[lost pilot]

I did, I did, I did! 😂

[carmine coyote]

Ah, no reason to scroll up, ty

[lost pilot]

yw

I just mentioned that a vast amount of people would enjoy being able to trade p2p maybe through a market or with friends. I see no real value in keeping the game with the same trade-system as D3 🤷‍♂️

[carmine coyote]

Just do the survey and wait for the devs to open up about their vision on trade regarding the surveys result

No need to escalate on something that is just an conception at the very best in this time

[lost pilot]

I agree, I'm just being vary of what they've already released in terms of statements regarding trade.

Have luckily already answered the Survey 👍

[carmine coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/now-all-we-have-to-do-is-wait-adam-b-waiting-game-lets-see-lets-wait-and-see-gif-19398484

[lost pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-bored-boring-wait-waiting-gif-16790871

Thing is tho, we've been waiting for a very long time for this. As in... Very

[carmine coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[native sail]

And you will continue waiting. And honestly your best bet is to not hold out hope for trade because they still seem to really not like the idea of it.

Hello, Tyurik. I'm at work.

[dry narwhal]

having a good day?

night? timezone? whatever it is

[native sail]

Oh god no. I'm not exactly done being sick and if I didn't have lunch right now I'm pretty sure I'd have passed out in about ten minutes.

[dry narwhal]

[native sail]

Also my dad lost his job so.... Who knows if I still have a place to live next month.

[dry narwhal]

i wish you the best

[native sail]

Thank you, sir

[dry narwhal]

[high ether]

i looked at that survey after coming here to find out more about what was happening to trade since things seemed to have changed from what they said they envisioned for the game (things can change i get it), but i felt like most of the questions were very leading so didn't bother to finish it as it seemed like it was designed to shape a response rather than just getting fair feedback.

[native sail]

Yeah they didn't really give an option for "no trade please" which is my preference.

[high ether]

id prefer trade, but its fine for people to have different opinions on the matter, the leading of the survey though was just ugh, why bother

[native sail]

Opinions are fine, I just dislike when it becomes "trade or game is DoA" kinda shit, that's just annoying.

[high ether]

like i don't think there was a single provide feed back comment box for any question, and most of the questions felt they had a slant in one direction instead of being more of a full spectrum range of available responses

[native sail]

Yeeeeah. It needed more variety to pick from rather than what felt like a binary yes or no. It's very rigid.

And like you said, basically no place to put proper feedback, it was like a multiple choice quiz except every answer was nearly the same thing

[high ether]

I do get why some are upset though, as i think the KS said they would have this full trade system, and then a few years later it turns into, well actually

[native sail]

I saw a lot of screenshots of the Kickstarter and the only thing I saw that hinted to anything like that was "you'll be able to trade with friends who were offline" which is not exactly the same

[high ether]

ah i thought originally they wanted to have a full on open bazaar thing with player shops or something

[native sail]

That came after Kickstarter and was scrapped because they didn't like how it was panning out

[high ether]

ah

[native sail]

Also, people assumed that had way more freedom than was proposed because it was basically going to throw you a random selection of player shops rather than just letting you pick anything anywhere

Which... Honestly might be worse than PoE economy in my eyes, that sounds annoying in retrospect

[high ether]

yeah tbh, i dind't really know much about it and kinda of had my own idea about how it would work like i figure some others may have done as well.

[native sail]

Yeah, we had pretty limited information on it as a whole

My stance hasn't really changed much on trade. I prefer the game without it but I am willing to compromise somewhat so long as it doesn't ruin the ability to get my items by actually playing the game (which in my eyes is not playing the market, if I wanted to do that I'd get into day trading).

[high ether]

personally i think no trade at all would completely kill interest in the game for a lot of people. I think if they keep the system they have now as it was explained to me the other day, i think they would have opportunity to have the same interest level as that of say D3 as it is currently

[sterile widget]

A box, inside which, items are placed. From within, comes without; dust. I sparkle in my new clothes.

[native sail]

Skip why are you writing poetry

[sterile widget]

1130 at night deliroous00 I rstmt cse

[native sail]

Fair enough

It is 7:23AM and I am sitting on an uncomfortable metal bench waiting for my ride.

[sterile widget]

That's how trade is

[native sail]

My ride.... Is late.

[high ether]

i'm sitting in my comfy office watching for tickets to come in for any server issues (hint there rarely are)

[sterile widget]

This is also trade

[native sail]

God I wish I had a comfy office

Stupid manual labor

[sterile widget]

It helps if you have a philosophical perspective

[native sail]

Dude I hurt in at least 3 spots and am on hour 14 of my day. And and still recovering from being sick. Philosophy is beyond my reach right now.

Plus the existential dread of my newfound situation has been eating at me all night so I'm not all there mentally either

Ride is here

[sterile widget]

Good luck

[high ether]

👋

[native sail]

I was wondering if it would mom or dad. It is dad. And in true dad fashion he is in very worn out pajamas.

I now play Pokemon until I get home.

[acoustic thicket]

Yeah, this is what they actually gave details for when it came to it ages ago. And when people are getting upset over them not going ahead with the bazaar and then are expecting poe levels of trade whrn they talk about trade. It's kinda odd to me. Because the thing they were upset over would have never satisfied their want for a open p2p trade system.

[noble wasp]

fastest build that's not minion based or autobomber?

more towards clearing than faster bossing i mean

[dry narwhal]

minions in general don't have great clear

but yeah cold dot werebear, warpath (any really), most hammer throw builds, static orb/lightning blast sorc

[marsh maple]

Cold dot werebear 🧸

[noble wasp]

was working on a cold dot werebear, but i started a lich just to see how it feels. what do the popular lich builds provide compared to the werebear or other meta builds?

i like the aesthetic but lich seems like a more tanky / slower playstyle

[dry narwhal]

i've never found alich build i've actually enjoyed

werebear is extremely tanky lol what

[noble wasp]

thats good then lol

[copper fable]

lich is also fairly tanky, lich is also really fast

gets two movement skills, and has good aoe skills like spirit plague

but yeah cold dot were bear is just really easy to play and owns everything so

its kinda the go to

[dry narwhal]

two movement skills that share a cooldown

unless you spec it to where ti doesn't

[copper fable]

yeah but when you do, you zoom

vroom vroom

[dry narwhal]

i understand where lich is good, it's just not for me at the moment

[copper fable]

me either, ive never been able to get into it, mostly because I feel like most lich builds are just the same. its hard carried by reaper and deathseal. Leads to them feeling like they have less choices because they have to just pick those two really powerful skills.

but my friend loves lich and played it during MP and was zooming very fast lol

[dry narwhal]

yeah reaper form/death seal, insert 3 other skills that don't matter and done

[marsh maple]

The biggest problem I have with lich is all of its builds end up being very similar. I really enjoyed the deathwave setups with Marina though, which is being buffed in the next patch

[noble wasp]

is your str stacking cold dot werebear written guide the one to follow currently?

[marsh maple]

Yep

I plan on updating it when I play it for .9

[rich seal]

Hello guys! I would like to make a build just like RF from PoE... Would this one work? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/0AKgmvvA

[orchid turret]

I’m feel I’m starting to struggle trying to build the shadow master blade dancer

I currently use cinder as my main skill with shuriken and shift does that sound right?

https://youtu.be/Lwsndf1ZKXY

Been following this

Really love the concept I feel I’m struggling being my first character not knowing too much

Also currently lvl 22

[faint cape]

I prefer cold DOT swarmblade over bear. Locust swarm is OP.

[dry narwhal]

i've never been able to stick to swarmblade builds

[proven venture]

how good would a dual axe shaman be?

[primal needle]

so I have tried beginning with Rogue, Paladin and now Mage.. the Paladin melee isn't for me, but I saw void Knights and they look cool; my question is as a starter build to play the campaign what is a good build to start with? I seem to have issues, as I get to act 3 and the difficulty starts going up, like everything before I can one shot, and bosses take time to kill, but then Act 3, I get one shot myself and harder to avoid damage. I was liking the Rogue with Bow for awhile, I am about level 16 ish on these characters

[native sail]

Solution; Hammer Throw or Smite your way through.

[noble wasp]

any non dot based bosser build with big hits, preferrably not using minions or channeled skills ?

ive seen dot builds melt bosses in seconds want to know if its possible with any hits

dont care if its utter garbage in other aspects, just want to try something funny

[dry narwhal]

erasing strike/void cleave combo

it hits very hard

clears pretty alright too, just need to invest in some mana

[orchid turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/the-blender-2-0

been loving this

but if you not into spin to win then you probably wont like it

[vapid aspen]

shadow daggers counts as a big hit right XD

[buoyant roost]

Void Cleave as mentioned earlier, maybe Dragonsong. You might be able to do a melee shield rush meme, though the bleed and ignite versions are better. Most others rely on channeled, minions or dot (fastest three I can think of are manifest armor, abominatiom, and bleed/ignite shield rush meme).

[dry narwhal]

i should play shield rush.

[orchid turret]

later down the line are you able to pick another mastery?

[cinder fossil]

you cannot change your mastery

[dry narwhal]

no! But, you can invest into the first half of any other tree that is not your chosen mastery

[orchid turret]

ah okay

im followiung the build iposted above but now i see i can grab the skill out of the paladin tree ty ty

[dry narwhal]

mm tree

bladedancer

see, i can put points into the other tree up until where the chain is

very useful for getting non mastery specific skills like in sentinel's case Sigils of Hope

[orchid turret]

yeah thats what i need thank you

first real play through on sentinel

i tried rogue to like 25 but wasnt really feeling it

[dry narwhal]

rogue early levelling is actually kinda rough IMO

[orchid turret]

but sentinel im enjoying very much

[dry narwhal]

unless you do melee flurry into the Forcewave points which i enjoy

[orchid turret]

yeah i think thats why i stopped espeically for a first char i wanna learn and then go back

[dry narwhal]

yeah i do not blame you

rogue early feels like 0 aoe and just rough cause bow skills espescially are just kinda boring

and also have aiming bugs

[sterile widget]

The aiming bugs are VERY irritating 😄 I cannot possibly be that uncoordinated

[dry narwhal]

feels awful when it happens early too

cause oh no my zdps got worse

[flint grail]

So, quic question probably asked a million times but I assume that there will be a reset of Stash and build once MP drops in March? Sad to see my toona go but hyped as for MP to finally be here.

[grand river]

Your current beta characters become offline only.

[flint grail]

Thank you

[kindred lichen]

So is there no way to make disintegrate good? it feels rather sad playing a disintegrate build and your other skills do more damage by far

[copper fable]

there is a singular way to build disintegrate currently that uses a combo of ignivar's head https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMwdgFiA

And gamblers fallacy,
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCsEYGZiA

You take no other attacks that hit, so gamblers fallacy will add 100% base crit, which can then be scaled by increased crit, so if you had this combo, and had not hit recently, and have 500% increased crit chance, you would have 500% more disintegrate damage.

other the this combo, there is no way to make the skill good. personally I find that if you do use the combo its a pretty okay build, but its very limited in options.

[dusty void]

Do I have to log in to get the backpack?

[kindred lichen]

wouldn't the backpack be next month after 0.9 launches?

[native sail]

It is with 0.9, yeah

[hearty spindle]

Is there some bases that can't be gambled for after they nerfed gambling?

[copper fable]

gambler caps at level 40 items, and cant roll uniques etc anymore.

So yeah, any base that needs over level 40, you need to use the soul gambler or find in the wild.

Even if you could, gambler items also have less FP iirc. so it still would suck :/

[hearty spindle]

okay thanks

it was just to push my defense slightly so was never expecting anything worth crafting

[sinful vine]

Have the devs commented on how multiplayer and singleplayer balance having different needs will be handled?

[native sail]

They are trying to not split them by any means

[copper fable]

they have actually been pretty smart in that regard

its mostly a hp scaling for mp problem rn imo

synergy existing was expecting. But they already nipped a few problematic cross class synergies I saw being possible by making things worded as your minions or your X etc

that allows some abilities to work with slight synergy but still be exactly the same for the player using them and less effective for random other stuff

Like I was like "okay im running solo dreadshade support for the MA armor guy and we will 1 shot 1000 corruption bosses ez pz" but they made dreadshade only castable on your minions, heavily limiting cross class synergies

[sinful vine]

that sounds reasonable I suppose, i did hear about stuff like enchant weapon popping all ailments

or how strong dread shade is xD