❔┃ask-the-community

[raw coyote]

so there's 2 chests at the end of completing an echo. 1 is the completion chest, which is just bonus loot. and the node-reward chest (in the center) that grants the items of that type

the completion chest is lvl bound, the node reward chest (for uniques) is not

pretty sure the node-reward is not lvl bound for any of the items it drops

so like if you are lvl 65 completing nodes that are 70 (for example)

the center chest will drop any ilvl (for non-uniques) up to the area level of completion

[lunar holly]

but iberion said they completed level 62 zone and got 74 staff 🤔

[raw coyote]

unique

unique chest rewards from nodes can drop any ilvl world unique of that type

[lunar holly]

I see

any idea on my question? 😛

[austere hound]

I mean it makes sense, otherwise it would be a pretty good way to farm certain uniques

[raw coyote]

idk what that item is

[balmy current]

It's a boss drop

[balmy current]

One of Lagon's unique items

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwVg7ATAjALEA

[raw coyote]

and so same rules apply

[acoustic thicket]

What is it called when someone tells you one thing, and you say the exact opposite and go against what was said? After this person was TOLD specifically this is what something said. What is one person calling the other person?

[lunar holly]

so boss drops don't care about the level, good to know

[raw coyote]

if a source drops a unique, and that unique has a levle restriction, then it will be that...

there are gatings at higher level, like minimum corruption to drop items form bosses, etc

but not for world / campaign boss uniques

[austere hound]

nobody said that you're lying about what the wiki says. yes it says that the attack scales with attack speed. but the attack speed doesn't matter for this 1s delay. that was your answer. nothing about calling you a liar

wtf I just looked up what time bubble does as it doesn't specify how much increased void dmg enemies take... they don't lol

[acoustic thicket]

As you are doing exactly what you said nobody is doing.

I might have to give a better explanation.

[balmy current]

Nope, that's either a bug or the description is wrong (as I mentioned before) And by "nope", I'm agreeing with you.

[austere hound]

well if you say I call you a liar because you say someone called you liar and didn't then yes I call you a liar lol

[acoustic thicket]

Looking at it from 2 point of views. No one may have typed those exact words. Yet, looking at it through a broader scope, you can not neglect the fact that "a liar" is what I am being called.

[austere hound]

you seem to have some thin skin and make things larger that they are. you got your answer, it may be a let down because it is not what you thought. but at the end of the day I would reflect on why you get so defensive

[balmy current]

Nobody's calling you a liar. The wiki probably does say that it scales with attack speed, but the wiki is wrong.

[austere hound]

I mean its not even thin skin because there was no attack at all

[acoustic thicket]

Or maybe it's the way my mind was trained and I have thicker skin than you can ever fathom.

[languid rivet]

In build planners what color is the highest in slot? If does it depend on the paste bin planner

[raw coyote]

is there any way to not be 1shot by lagon's eye beam in lvl 76 echos?

[balmy current]

Yes

Don't get hit by it

[raw coyote]

so, no?

[balmy current]

Maybe an uber-tanky build, but generally you're not supposed to get hit by it & that's fairly easy

[raw coyote]

so: 'no, it's a 1 shot mechanic'

ok that's all i was asking

[balmy current]

Yeah, pretty much

[raw coyote]

kinda crappy as RNG placement for melee warpath build, but ok

[balmy current]

Not entirely, you can cheese it fairly easily with Warpath while maintaining damage

If you stay a little off to one side of middle, then when he does his head waggle, move over to the other side of the ledge

That way he does his sweeping eye beam towards the side you were on

[raw coyote]

yeah, just had to time that with better timing on reversals

incase i got corner locked

[balmy current]

Yeah, VR's not going to help

[raw coyote]

killed on 3nd attempt

[balmy current]

Ideally you'll stay a bit on one side of the centre

[sharp quartz]

You can do it without movement skills... as LLama8 says... stand just to the side in the middle of the platform and then move when lagon telegraphs the beam...

[balmy current]

don't go too far across

[raw coyote]

it is if you were on the other side of wher the beam starts and it's not gonna finish before it gets to you

anywho i figured it out thanks

I was jsut really wondering if it was a 1shot mechanic or i was missing gear for the content it was doing

i'm all res capped but only have 1K live

so, wasn't really about the fight mecahnis

was about not knowing if that was suppsoed ot happen or not

[balmy current]

Generally, if it's telegraphed, that's to allow you to avoid it 'cause it should hurt

The bigger the telegraph, the bigger the ouchie.

[raw coyote]

indeed

[balmy current]

Ish

[raw coyote]

is there a bell-curve scaling of xp above and below your current level

[balmy current]

Yes

XP from mobs above your level is capped at lvl+5

[raw coyote]

what are the breakpoints?

kk thnx

[balmy current]

And xp from mobs below your level is reduced, the further below the more it's reduced

[balmy current]

No idea.

[raw coyote]

+5 is the info i was looking for

I jsut did an echo in the new section I opened and didn't get xp

[balmy current]

So if you're lvl 10 in a lvl 90 zone, you'll get xp as if you were in a lvl 15 zone

[raw coyote]

oh

so huh

[balmy current]

You will still get xp, just not as much as if you were on lvl

[raw coyote]

is it capped, or reduced?

like if i'm 75 and do 81 area

is that the same as doing a lvl 75 area?

xp wise

or is it actually less per kill ?

well i guess my example should be i'm 75 killing mobs in an 85 area

and will it be the same xp as a lvl 80 area

[balmy current]

It's capped if the area level is above yours, it's reduced if the area level is below yours.

[raw coyote]

kk

[fiery salmon]

is there anyway to switch a char from ssf to normal. or do i have to edit the char file

[brittle atlas]

there's setting to disable the solo challenge

however

be warned that you will lose anything that isn't equipped or in your inventory

your solo stash and crafting materials won't transfer with you

[fiery salmon]

anyway to transfer those?

also that doesnt make any sense SSF chars dont share stash in LE

like poe so what does it just delete your items lol

[raw coyote]

they do per game tranche

[brittle atlas]

not without file editing as far as I know.

it does just delete your items if you leave them in your stash.

[raw coyote]

does SSF not have account stash?

[brittle atlas]

solo is character-found

there's nothing shared

[raw coyote]

oh

[brittle atlas]

it's a stash for that character only

[vapid aspen]

offline in general is already ssf

[brittle atlas]

^

[raw coyote]

well it's not cause you share a stash

not in this sense anyways

[brittle atlas]

offline singleplayer is already ssf in the PoE sense as there's obviously no trade

[fiery salmon]

yeah but finding gear on a level 50 versus a level 100 fully geared is a little bit not the same

[raw coyote]

yeah, non-trade

but account stash

[brittle atlas]

the solo setting in LE is moreso for truly solo characters- you get nothing from previous or future characters, the character is entirely self contained

[raw coyote]

it's character-only SSF

[brittle atlas]

often used for things like weekend race events and such

[raw coyote]

as opposed ot account-shared SSF

[icy snow]

Do you guys know if will there be tradish interraction in multiplayer between players like droping items to the ground etc

[brittle atlas]

there will be trade itself

I don't think drop trading will be a thing

but there is going to be a true trading system

the details of which we don't really have yet

[icy snow]

They said currently no implementation for trade

[raw coyote]

i think there's no plans on a trade gui

[fiery salmon]

drop trading is just begging for issues theres no way they dont make a trade interface

[brittle atlas]

not at launch, but we know for sure there will be trade at some point

[raw coyote]

for .9

[brittle atlas]

yeah

for 090 launch

[raw coyote]

it's just shared loot

[brittle atlas]

my bad

[raw coyote]

there may be a trade gui for 1.0 tho

was what i gathered from the qna

[brittle atlas]

or prior to 1.0

[fiery salmon]

loot isnt shared according to the steelmage interview where they played MP

[raw coyote]

it is if you pick it up and drop it on the gorund

[brittle atlas]

there will almost certainly be patches in the 09X cycle before 1.0

[icy snow]

So there is some form of drop trading?

[vapid aspen]

inb4 they troll us and there is no 0.9, it just goes straight to 1.46

[balmy current]

Nobody really knows.

[hollow socket]

@raw coyote knows.

[icy snow]

Lmao

[brittle atlas]

I'd think there won't be drop trading unless it's a very much temporary implementation, given that drop trading in general runs pretty counter to the trading philosophy they've talked about so far

[raw coyote]

i might have misunderstood what the dev was saying in the Q&A

[balmy current]

Not if it's like D3's drop trading.

[hollow socket]

I am nearly certain there will be no drop-trading because it would not be party exclusive (thanks to their "teleport to party member" mechanic).

Anyone could join and come in for a trade.

[brittle atlas]

at that point it isn't really trade in the sense most people care about I'd think

[balmy current]

There are easy ways round that, like in D3.

[raw coyote]

there's no 'shared loot, but I was under the impression if you picked it up then dropped it on teh ground, all players in the area could then see it.

[balmy current]

But, and I'll say it again, nobody knows. Not even @raw coyote

[raw coyote]

right

[fiery salmon]

there will be 3rd party market day 1 if its not in a forum or discord area mark myworks

words*

[brittle atlas]

When people think "trade" they're thinking about an economy, not just sharing a recent drop with a friend

[raw coyote]

again, that could be me misinterpreting what was said

[hollow socket]

But what if that recent friend has a not-so-recent drop for me?

[raw coyote]

yeah, it's a multiplayer patch, not a trade patch. there coudl very well be 0 item trading

[icy snow]

I am asking for this

[balmy current]

Nobody knows.

[raw coyote]

no one knows

[vapid aspen]

Well if it's 0 item trading then its easy fix, just add 1 to the trading.

[fiery salmon]

reminds me of the 2 hour trade rule they had on wow for dungeon loot

[hollow socket]

I'm just fearmongering about how this isn't specifically restricted with drop trading 😆

[brittle atlas]

yeah, D3 did the same thing when it removed trading

[balmy current]

They aren't going to give you an answer, other than "loot is instanced" & "we haven't decided on trading yet".

[brittle atlas]

keep a small window where you can trade it to anyone who was there when it dropped

[raw coyote]

you can still trade items in D3 tho

[vapid aspen]

I'd rewatch the 2 recent dev streams. iirc mike mentioned some stuff about it

Or was it the interviews. idk anymore it's all a blur

[hollow socket]

Well wouldn't I love getting a nice drop and immediately swapping to my 3rd party trade site because there's immense time pressure on getting the sale?

Sounds like a nightmare that turns the game into a trade simulator more efficiently than PoE did it.

[raw coyote]

present during drop, and tradability window would probably be minimum reqs if there was item sharing

[fiery salmon]

i was stating those as seperate thoughts but yeah that would be ass

[raw coyote]

I don't think there's going ot be unbound trading

[brittle atlas]

Any timed window I imagine would be purely for sharing loot w/ a party member who was present when it dropped

[fiery salmon]

yea

[brittle atlas]

but other trade seems like it will be through a more formal system, based on what they've said in the past

[hollow socket]

That does make sense. Especially since there's no magic find here, so as long as you're playing with someone who has a similarly efficient build you'll be good trading partners.

[icy snow]

But this is a good thing, people enjoying game together

Unlike poe where you are forced to suffer lmao

[hollow socket]

I was actually just about to question how much you do actually play together 😆

[vapid aspen]

by more formal do you mean...
Salutations my dear friend, I intend to purchase your [item] that has been listed for a sum of 23 spheres of randomness
vs
Hi, I'd like to buy your [item] listed for 23 orbs of the unknown

[hollow socket]

The point is this: The monolith obj is hidden at the start of the mono, currently. It will be most efficient for groups to split up and search for it in different directions.

So there won't be a lot of synergy and you won't see loot that dropped for you from mobs that someone else killed, which is why I assumed comparable efficiency in each player's individual clear.

Else one will barely find loot and... not be worth trading or teaming with.

[icy snow]

My dude not everybody tries to optimize every second they play. Many people would hop in a discord and chill with their people

[fiery salmon]

what is the highest corruption level someone has reached legitimately anyone know?

[brittle atlas]

Based on what EHG has said, it seems like they've very much uninterested in having fully open trade, so this unlikely

and with gold being the only trade currency

[hollow socket]

When you want both, though, you stand before a really difficult choice.

[brittle atlas]

I've done 1005, I know some people are in the 1300-1400 range.

Once you push high enough the scaling curve falls off pretty hard

so it becomes less and less increasingly difficult the higher you go

[vapid aspen]

Maybe less formal then? Yo dawg, gimme dat [item] you listed for like 420 round thingies

[icy snow]

Yeah you gain some you lose some, you compalate them sooner and clear more echoes but lose map drops or you complate them slower but clear map together. Decision making is up to you.

I dont see anyone losing here just people chosing the way they want

And lets be honest clearing more echoes are more profitable

Also there is so much map layouts and objectives it is very easy to guess where you need to go

[trim heath]

The existence of a more optimal, less fun path can indirectly place pressure on players to engage in the systems in a way that is not fun for them.

[fiery salmon]

sounds more like a personal problem

than a game problem

[vapid aspen]

people should be able to enjoy games regardless of any personal need to do things efficiently :)

[hollow socket]

Is this a direct criticism on monolith rewards?

[vapid aspen]

I find fun in the process of optimizing things. But I get bored if the end result of that optimization isn't actually fun in itself.

[brittle atlas]

huge this

[icy snow]

Not really tho

[hollow socket]

Exactly this. And this can be argued about monos. It's optimal to rush the objective, but is it fun to ignore 99% of the monolith unless you reach such corruption that the trash mob is lava?

[brittle atlas]

it depends on your goal tbh

if your goal is to farm the timeline boss, I don't think ignoring mobs is at all optimal

instead it's optimal to have a build that passively or efficiently clears a high percentage of enemies for bonus stability on its way to the objective

[marsh maple]

Yeah I agree but you do need a decent corruption before it's worth killing stuff for that imo

[hollow socket]

I'd be all for revealing the objective right away, not to encourage groups splitting up. Concealing it is just a crutch that forces you to at least clear some mobs even though it's not optimal for getting your targeted loot.

And there's the real problem:

[marsh maple]

I just think the objective rewards should scale with what you kill in the mono

[hollow socket]

What do you get for clearing? Random loot, which is a worse use of your time than targeted loot. And as an extra reward for clearing enough, then end chest gives you...

more random loot.

[brittle atlas]

The random loot is only bad because we don't have trade

random loot is income in a system with trade

[hollow socket]

And it's also basic. There is nothing desirable about it, you expect it in an ARPG.

Well, in most.

Whereas targeted loot has a much higher chance to be tailored to your build, and you will want that.

[brittle atlas]

It depends what loot you want, what character you're playing, etc.

[hollow socket]

Yes. And whatever your requirements are, targeting them is better.

[brittle atlas]

What if your target is a timeline boss unique?

then rushing objectives without killing anything is no longer optimal

if your objective is volume of loot for trade purposes, rushing is no longer optimal

in a trade situation, you don't necessarily care about getting the item for your build or your character, you care about getting items to sell for profit and finding the best profit for your level of effort and time investment

[icy snow]

Maybee but for rando lp uniques killing mobs are much better

Which they are very effective

[hollow socket]

I'd be careful to assume that, really depends on how restrictive the devs want to make trade and even they don't know. Noone knows. Not even TheFrobel.

[brittle atlas]

If trade is that restrictive, it isn't trade because there's no economy

[hollow socket]

I'd agree. But the devs made the impression of going for this.

[brittle atlas]

I really haven't got that impression from the devs.

I don't foresee trade being as open and unrestricted as something like PoE

but I fully expect it to be unrestricted enough to foster an economy

[hollow socket]

Reminiscing on the Bazaar, where you would gather as much money as you can so when eventually the item you want actually comes up in a stock rotation, you can actually buy it.

[icy snow]

There is no need for living and thriving economy game going on the background that forces devs to make game more oppresive against players cause they need to keep inflation under control

[hollow socket]

Which was limited by whether you could check every rotation, really.

And it could take weeks, months, years, who knows? Until the item you want shows up.

[icy snow]

Maybe a guild system with limited players inhouse trading and cooldown for changing guilds

[brittle atlas]

Yeah, sounds horrible, glad they've said the bazaar isn't their intended vision anymore.

[brittle atlas]

That's basically what they'd mentioned for the "item gifting" system a while back

basically the only way to trade outside of the bazaar was going to be giving stuff to friends who had been friends for a set period of time

with some other conditions I don't recall offhand

[icy snow]

Yeah this is a very basic idea that can be built around

The moment they add open trade there will be a discord server where people are selling T4 temporals, 600 corruption echoes or boss kills.

[brittle atlas]

honestly, unless they find some way to give gold more value I hate to think what it will cost to actually buy anything from someone else

[icy snow]

Glyphs of despair prolly

They are rare enough to be able to obtain and usefull af

[brittle atlas]

In the past they've said they don't intend for their to be item for item trade

the intent is for gold to be the only trade currency

at the moment, I don't really see why gold even needs to exist in the game, given how little purpose it serves

but

you know

[hollow socket]

I miss the gambler.

[brittle atlas]

the gambler was super degenerate tbh

[hollow socket]

Or any vendor who lets you spend as much gold as you want. Rather than the current vendor who has what he has and that's it ^^

[brittle atlas]

make a new character, hit up the gambler for the next like 5-6 hours rolling bases for stuff

new patch comes out, hit up the gambler to get every new unique

it was the best way to get what you wanted with the least gameplay involved

it was not good for the game at all imo

[icy snow]

Then someone will pop up and calculate how much is avarage cost of t3 lightless harbour cost for "X" amount despair or assendency then that will be base value. Lets say 6m gold for 10x despair and 4x despair valued items in total. Every item would be valued around that

[hollow socket]

That is true! What I meant is you could spend your money there.

[brittle atlas]

yeah, it gave gold a use for sure

[hollow socket]

The generic vendor really doesn't allow that, every once in a blue moon maybe.

And 4k for shatterings per refresh, but that won't stabilize the economy.

[icy snow]

Lightless harbour is a great gold sink

[brittle atlas]

lightless arbor is pretty mediocre imo

[icy snow]

Why may i ask

[brittle atlas]

it takes a ton of gold and then you just get a ton of junk

it also takes a while to even run

[hollow socket]

I've also never run that actually. It IS a great gold sink so I never felt I had enough gold to go in there.

[brittle atlas]

compared to other dungeons

T4 temporal vomits like 10-12 exalted items per run on a good day and takes /<3minutes per run

[hollow socket]

Whereas I am thinking of a vendor where "x costs 10000 gold" so when you have 10k, you can go buy it.

[brittle atlas]

Arbor is just basically never worth doing atm imo

[icy snow]

But you can easly get 60+ exalteds on lightless harbour for around 4m

[brittle atlas]

for how much gold?

[icy snow]

4m

[brittle atlas]

because I've dumped 10s of millions into it and you leave so much crap on the ground

you get tons of non-lp uniques, tons of mediocre exalted items that then get mirrored

[icy snow]

But you leave that much crap on the ground on temporal too

[hollow socket]

But think of what you leave in your pocket.

[icy snow]

What do you do with gold other than lightless harbour

Hoarding?

[hollow socket]

Gold may have little use but that doesn't mean you wouldn't rather keep it than spend it on something that doesn't yield value for you.

[brittle atlas]

nothing, stash tabs, nothing, etc.

[hollow socket]

So, yes, hoarding.

Unless arbor still has upgrades for you, but I believe Arborus when he says that stops eventually and you only get trash.

[brittle atlas]

even from a profit/trade pov, I feel like generating items for nothing is likely to be better than gambling gold on arbor

especially since you're often going to only break even once enough people are doing it

[icy snow]

Makes sense, but still i think it is really underrated

Idk maybe because i am new

[vapid aspen]

I still have every single exalted item I've ever dropped

[icy snow]

Same lmao

[vapid aspen]

Need more tabs

I will single handedly gold sink the entire economy, dont worry.

[icy snow]

And every lp unique

I had around 9 of that two handed hammer that scales with your level

[hollow socket]

LP is a really interesting thing because I often play slow-hitting builds that can't really benefit from suffixes. So anything below 3LP is just a risky gamble for me, not an upgrade ^^

But I think better chances for LP COULD help Arbor for players that are beyond the level of its average outcomes.

That aside, what could be another concept for a gold sink?

[vapid aspen]

as long as its not respecs I'll be happy

[brittle atlas]

lightless arbor is also the most dangerous dungeon to run imo

boss has a ton of dangerous moves that can easily 1 tap you and is time gated so you can't even brute force it with dps

while the other two you can basically kill their bosses before they even do anything

[icy snow]

I am with you on that, mobs zooming from darkness and torchie things sniping you from diablo servers is not fun.

[vapid aspen]

The slam doesnt one tap my lich idk

[brittle atlas]

the add spawn 1 taps my BD for sure

[vapid aspen]

Yeah the adds are what kill me

[hollow socket]

You mean... invulnerable boss phases?!?

They call it "The Sirus mistake".

[brittle atlas]

not even

[vapid aspen]

the arena is too freaking cramped for that quantity of stuff going on

[knotty tinsel]

the shiny crystal mechanic in lightless arbor also feels pretty wonky to me. I imagine depending on build it either changes nothing for you or is a headache to keep track of

😐

[brittle atlas]

the entire first phase is non-combat basically

you just have to put the crystal on the pyres until they light

your dps doesn't matter at all

[vapid aspen]

it does for how fast you can clear the adds

[brittle atlas]

I mean, the adds are pretty low hp right?

it's more that having giga overkill dps from playing a dedicated boss killer doesn't really matter until phase 2

so the boss has a minimum duration

unlike julra or cremosus

[icy snow]

I am in love with cremosus

Julra feels way too cheesy

[vapid aspen]

idk I've recently started running up against the dynamic dr on bosses and I'm starting to feel like all fights are going to take me 5 minutes

[brittle atlas]

julra is probably my favorite of the three

you just need to do so much dps you bypass dynamic dr

it does seem to have a curve of sorts and an application rate, it doesn't seem to instantly adjust

if you get what I mean

[vapid aspen]

I just remember my abom walking up to a boss, smacking it once for literally 40% hp, and then every single subsequent hit dealing under 1k.

[brittle atlas]

yeah, I think hit-based builds have it worse off?

maybe DoT interacts weirdly with it

but fire wraiths melts stuff too

idk

[vapid aspen]

I tried to do some code digging for it but gave up in the function that does it.

[icy snow]

May i ask more about this?

[brittle atlas]

wdym

[icy snow]

How does it work

[vapid aspen]

We dont really know

[brittle atlas]

dynamic dr? bosses get dr depending on how much damage they've taken recently

[icy snow]

Cause against bosses i had the same issue

[brittle atlas]

but I don't think we have the formula or anything

unless tunk or dammitt wants to share maybe

[icy snow]

Does it fall of like after X seconds or perma?

[brittle atlas]

it falls off over time iirc

[icy snow]

Do you have any estimates about numbers?

[knotty tinsel]

is this the place for vague build questions or better kept to general

[brittle atlas]

here should be fine

[vapid aspen]

So what I do know is that bosses start with iirc 50 stacks of the dr which fall off over a few seconds, and they gain more stacks as they lose health which also fall off over some duration.

[knotty tinsel]

I've been having a good time getting to level 80 so far, playing firebrand buff -> surge crit. It feels decently fast but still has that "stop & go" playstyle to kill things which is starting to wear on me a bit. What skills facilitate just kinda running through everything in the literal sense? I know warpath does it on paper but it felt rather slow when I touched it

now that I send that message I realize that autobomber build everyone's talking about is what im looking for huh

oops

[icy snow]

Thank you

[acoustic crag]

probably asked often but
multiplayer eta?
how punishing is this game for homebrew? if i go blind can i brick my character?

[vapid aspen]

The thing I'm not certain of is if there is a limit. I don't think there is?

[icy snow]

I started playing with no clue and no guides. Managed until emp monos with pure garbage build

[vapid aspen]

From what I can tell though, the system is at least partly broken.

[knotty tinsel]

not punishing, leveling is quick & clean when you know where to go and you can respec an entire character (within its ascendancy) very easily

[icy snow]

Like detonating arrow with mana cost nodes trash

[acoustic crag]

thx

[vapid aspen]

If it worked how devs described it then that first big hit for 40% wouldnt actually make it through

[buoyant sinew]

multiplayer ETA sometime this year
going in blind isn't very punishing, you might make a weak build but respeccing is easy

[acoustic crag]

good so around 3 month max

[vapid aspen]

Somewhere between 3 minutes and 3 years

[knotty tinsel]

I didn't know dynamic dr was a thing until now but in hindsight it makes sense
blasting 50% of a boss's hp and then doing 10ish% with the next bonk

[icy snow]

Have any of you people tought the idea of mana cost to damage marksman?

With detonating arrow nodes

[vapid aspen]

detonating arrow doesnt boost cost

[brittle atlas]

I know Hail of Arrows generally scales off the mana cost stuff

[vapid aspen]

it just consumes mana

[brittle atlas]

for the cold version, at least

[icy snow]

Mehh idea of shooting a tactical nuke is much better

With new adaptive damage update this might be possiable

[vapid aspen]

Detonating already converts all

unless skill gets specific changes it will be exactly the same as it is now

[icy snow]

You are full of good news

[hollow socket]

No wonder you're not dealing damage when you're only shooting the messenger 😆

[icy snow]

This was my first build when i was playing blind

I had no idea how game was working

[vapid aspen]

i ran det arrow like that once too

[icy snow]

It is like telling a child that he wont be an astranout ever.

[vapid aspen]

dynamic DR is telling my abomination it wont be an astronaut

[icy snow]

Then you know the disapointment of getting all the area nodes and you expect a mushroom cloud but in realty it is just soda pops

[vapid aspen]

my issue was I hate flurry

something about it makes me wanna barf

and without flurry good luck getting mana back

[icy snow]

Thats why i opted for cd but area+damage nodes

I even took ele arrow nodes on marksman

[vapid aspen]

i was doing suckerpunch

[icy snow]

But i found dex to cold damage boots very early and i stacked dex i had no idea boots was carrying my garbage build

Than a mob sneezes on emp mono and one shots me

[vapid aspen]

My thing is that my goals are too high. I want to be able to blast 600 corruption and ignore modifiers, so my builds need to be unreasonably tanky

[icy snow]

Slap a bastion of honour and you gucci

[vapid aspen]

basically nothing is viable in my mind except druid and acolyte

[icy snow]

There is a shield blade dancer build

It looks absurdly tanky

Also silver shroud is great for bossing

Cheat death basicly

[vapid aspen]

yeah but shield on bladedancer = lol why did you just delete half your masteries skills?

it makes me feel sad

[icy snow]

But it is

An item set for blade dancer

[vapid aspen]

next you'll tell me to play melee marksman, or spell beastmaster

[icy snow]

That makes it not so sad anymore but gucci

[icy snow]

There is already few melee marksman builds lmao

[vapid aspen]

They make me sad too

:)

[icy snow]

Idk i think they are fine

[vapid aspen]

They are fine, but playing them makes me feel sad so I dont play them

[fleet flicker]

hi guys - a couple questions if you dont mind ...
In PoE often times your build is a bit weak/shit early on so you use OP skills until you get gear/passives and go off to your main skill - is that the case in Last Epoch too even if to a lesser extent? Is there one skill that clearly outshines others until you get ~15 points to spend?

unrelated, but has there been any significant balance changes since legendary potential / the dungeon was released in 0.8.4? I know we are on 0.8.5 but it was my impression that there wasn't a ton of balance changes from 0.8.4

[fiery salmon]

dots cant crit correct?

[white pollen]

correct

[hybrid fractal]

From what I've heard others say and my own experience, levelling to at least lvl 75 or higher can be done with most any build. I'm sure there are optimal levelling paths for each class but I don't think you are forced into them unless you are racing.

[buoyant sinew]

is there anything interesting to do with Omnividence now that it's no longer that good for autobomber?

[cold plaza]

imo, there's not really a build that uses it well right now. If you get LP on it, sure, but it's rare enough that I'd say its not worth it.

[fiery salmon]

does cdr affect lagons slumber?

[austere hound]

I'm playing abyssal echoes from epoch builds right now, I thought omnividence would also be pretty good alternative to his setup, why is it not good (anymore)?

[brittle atlas]

Bastion of Honor exists

[austere hound]

Well the build I mentioned doesn't use it, it uses blade of the forgotten knight in off hand

Just ask

[dry narwhal]

attributes does add to vitality

which would make void smite do more damage

wand and shield is better due to a certain shield (bastion of honour) existing and i think you can get crit on wand but not staff

also staff is perfectly viable to run through the entire game with

i'm not an expert on dungeons but i know tiers of them exist and you'll need to do them all to get to the good tiers, and tier 1 is pretty low level

also the keys are pretty common now so don't sweat keeping them

[sonic kraken]

What's the cap for elemental DR with armor?

[sharp quartz]

Armour gives 70% mitigation for non-physical damage... and all amour suffers from diminishing returns so if you had about 8500 armour, thats about 75% dr for physical and 52% for non-physical... You can see most of this here https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

scaling the graphs to silly levels of armour seems to level out at 84% and 59%...

[sonic kraken]

So I guess the "hardcap" would be 85% / 60% for physical and non-physical respectively while 70% / 50% is the "realistic" cap

[sharp quartz]

pretty much... although I have been able to get a Sentinel build to 80% armour so its still possible. and yes before you ask, it was a tank with a wet noodle for dps...

[austere hound]

So I checked perry's crit devouring orb and I'm wondering why he us using the ignite instead of the crit nodes for smite, any idea?

[sharp quartz]

If you mean this one? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakZ41A
He is using a signularity idol which prevents crit...

[austere hound]

I mean this https://youtu.be/Od5_lqd22mo

[sharp quartz]

The one I am referring to was from lastepochtools and for 0.8.5,,, will look at this older one now to see if I can answer you question

[austere hound]

Ye I was looking into the one you linked before, everything clear with that

[sharp quartz]

He'd have to confirm but I would guess its for single target damage using the Throne Idol for fire stacks...

[austere hound]

Smite deals void damage and ignite is converted to slow, so no dmg benefit from throne I guess

[sharp quartz]

Doesnt make too much sense to me... maybe he did the calcs and it worked out better that way?

[marsh maple]

oh its probably because there was a change

let me look

[austere hound]

Must be that, in the version before this video he had some points in the crit multi and less in sacrifice

[marsh maple]

that doesnt have smite on it

thats abyssal echoes

ohhhh

one sec

oh

[austere hound]

But why don't go base crit on smite? Doesn't give that much dmg increase?

[marsh maple]

so the hit damage against ignited enemies that changes to hit damage against slowed enemies

he doesn't need the base crit

hes already critting 100% of the time with smite

the ignite node is 60% more damage

it gets turned to slow though,

its hit damage vs slowed enemies, which is poggers

[sharp quartz]

Ah... so ignite = slow and the increased damage applies...

[austere hound]

Where does the 100% come from? 6% base from offhand, 5% base from skill and planner says 44% crit chance

[marsh maple]

thats how all conversions work now

at least thats how they want them to work

[austere hound]

Ah that's only from gear

[sharp quartz]

From time bubble

[austere hound]

150% from anomaly

[marsh maple]

so with that setup, he doesn't want to reduce his cast speed at all

[finite drift]

is it right that you want to have your res in level 100 area <= 75?

[marsh maple]

that would suck

[sharp quartz]

75% yes, no need to overcap..

[austere hound]

But thats only 66% crit chance all things considered

[finite drift]

so you dont get the penetration from the mobs when u right at 75%? so it only start when u overcapped?

[austere hound]

Nowhere near 100%

1 point into smite base crit would raise that to 78% already

@marsh maple can you explain where the 100% crit is coming from?

[marsh maple]

I think if you do the math, the 60% more damage ends up being more DPS in the end

[minor kindle]

That's a minmax matter i think

[vapid aspen]

Yeah it will depend on how much crit you get on other gear

prioritise the crit chance and gradually spec out of it and into the ignite node

[sonic kraken]

Does Holy Aura still grant the passive benefits when it's on cooldown?

[vapid aspen]

Yes, there is a node that makes it not do so

[frank wasp]

is this an issue that other people have had?

[vapid aspen]

Looks like you tried to pick void knight as your class but forgot the knight part

[sonic kraken]

Is there a build that actually wants to scale mana?

[balmy current]

Several, Mages to get above 300 mana & the Devotion Smite build.

[sonic kraken]

I know about the above 300 mana stuff but I was more thinking about mana as the "main" stat

[vapid aspen]

you can do some stuff with it on judgement

[sharp quartz]

That is a known issue with the Linux version - which I assume you are using?

[frank wasp]

Yee

[woven fulcrum]

Devotion smite is actually interesting because you want to scale mana as high as possible but then keep it almost empty.

[late crescent]

hi guys im new to this game, can you sugges me a build that is scaling good to endgame? also is there a build like coc ice spear from poe?

[sharp quartz]

I dont recommend guides on first run throughs but you can find them here:

[icy snow]

Warpath void knight

[sharp quartz]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/

and https://www.lastepochtools.com/builds/

[acoustic thicket]

I understand that Last Epoch has Linear scaling. But I am curious about diminishing returns. If I were to scale necrotic damage, and am scaling 400% increased necrotic damage, is there diminishing returns in that? Am I getting 4x damage?

[thorn rune]

you are getting 5x

a 0% increase is just your skill’s base damage, so (starting damage) + (400% of starting damage) = 5x

the diminishing returns hits as a result of that

[acoustic thicket]

So, I can just scale increase to necrotic damage without experiencing diminishing returns?

[thorn rune]

if you have a 0% increase and then add an item that grants a 40% increase, then your net DPS increase is 40%

[acoustic thicket]

Which is additive?

[thorn rune]

but if you already have a 400% increase and then add a 40% increase, your net DPS increase is only 8% or so

thats the diminishing return

[acoustic thicket]

last question

Would Damage over time, elemental damage over time and fire damage over time have their own separate scaling or do they all scale together?

Seeing as they are labeled as 3 seperate

[balmy current]

No, they're all added together for relevant damage (ignite)

[brittle atlas]

all increased damage is additive with each other

[acoustic thicket]

So.. if I add 100% increased damage over time for double damage. than I add another 100% elemental damage over time, that would be 150% damage? and another 100% fire damage over time would be 175% damage? Is that correct?

[balmy current]

Diminishing returns come in when you have to choose between two damage affixes, one of which is a % increased damage & the other is something else (like cast speed or ailment chance)

[brittle atlas]

no, 100, 100, 100 is 300%

they add together

there are no diminishing returns, only loss of relative value

ie going from 10% -> 50% is relatively better than going from 500% -> 550%

[acoustic thicket]

So what what percent does 500% to 550% become worse?

If 100% is 100% is 100% than 50% should be 50% and 50% right:?

[brittle atlas]

it doesn't directly become worse, it's just less of a relative increase

a 500% -> 550% is only 10% more total

but 10% -> 50% is 400% more total

[balmy current]

Arborous is talking about incremental benefit.

[acoustic thicket]

Diminishing returns

[brittle atlas]

That's not a diminishing return

[acoustic thicket]

That's what I was talking about, here let me re-word this

[balmy current]

It's a form of diminishing returns, it's just not a coded version.

[brittle atlas]

there's no curve on how much benefit you get from each point of the stat- each 1% is 1%, it's just that the more you have of a stat, the less each subsequent point is worth as a percentage of your total

armor and dodge have actual diminishing returns, for eaxample

[acoustic thicket]

100% increased damage over time would be 100% more damage. If I include another 100% increased elemental damage over time, that would be 150% more damage and another 100% increased fire damage over time would be 175% more damage. Is that correct?

[brittle atlas]

there's a curve where more armor and dodge rating contribute less % the higher you go

If you have those stats, you have a total of 300% increased damage and will do 4x your base damage.

[acoustic thicket]

Why is this so complicated? It was a yes or no question.

[amber notch]

No

It's not 175%

It's 300%

[acoustic thicket]

But 500% to 550% results in 10% more damage and not 50% more...

[brittle atlas]

If you have 100% increased damage (2.0x) and gain another 100% increased damage, you now have 200% increased damage (3.0) which is a relative 50% more damage.

[acoustic thicket]

Are you all trying to troll me?

[brittle atlas]

yes, that's called relative increase, not a diminishing return

[acoustic thicket]

At this point I am under the assumption that this is a joke.

[lunar holly]

Amotokai is asking what is the increase in each step if you add 100%, then add another 100% what is the increase from the previous damage result

[balmy current]

It's not, you're just getting confused by the maths, don't worry about it too much.

[brittle atlas]

all increased modifiers are added together as a single multiplier.

[acoustic thicket]

Jesus Christ, I didn't know you have to be so damn politicly correct.

[snow spruce]

Well, it wouldn't do to give you the wrong answer -- theres nothing politically correct about math -- you're either right or wrong

[acoustic thicket]

But you know what I am talking about.

[brittle atlas]

It's important because the words like "increased" and "more" have particular definitions in LE's tooltips.

[acoustic thicket]

Yea, this is doing to much. I'm over it. Thanks for the help.

[mellow geyser]

Id say build your own charcter, its more fun its not to difficult and if you dont like your build you can repec 🙂

[brittle atlas]

the tldr is that it doesn't matter what combination of increased dot, increased elemental, and increased fire damage you have. The only thing that is used is the total sum of those numbers.

[acoustic thicket]

I would hate to be the new player trying to get help from you all. If he/she isn't politically correct, they will learn nothing.

[native sail]

I love that you're throwing "politically correct" in here for no god-damned reason

[mellow geyser]

Explain, your statement makes little sense to me

[manic anchor]

not understanding terminology =/= being politically correct

[brittle atlas]

Is trying to speak clearly to reduce confusion "politically" correct? The goal is to make sure that anyone who reads it- not just the person asking- is going to understand what was said and not become misinformed or have the wrong idea about a mechanic.

[balmy current]

It's got nothing to do with that. LE uses "increased damage" as an additive modifier while other games (such as D3) uses it as a multiplicative modifier.

[snow spruce]

You can always use the resources at hand (the in game guide press "g") and the community game guide on the forums (https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/community-game-guide/26057/8) to try to understand better.

[balmy current]

I'd be curious to know what games you've played that gave you the particular understanding of what "% increased" means.

[acoustic thicket]

I have a little experience with RPG games. Enough to get me by. And I didn't learn anything in this conversation expect help will only be received if the person is politically correct.

For example. 100% is 100% is 100% yet, 500% to 550% is only 10%. But it's not a diminishing return. Because that sounds right.. and your dps doesn't diminish but it's an incremental increase....

[manic anchor]

reading comprehension would help to

relative increases were already explained, its not a diminishing return

[amber notch]

Does reign of winter icicle scale with % bow damage?

[balmy current]

No, it's a spell

[snow spruce]

It shouldn't, its a spell, and doesn't have the "bow" tag

[amber notch]

THat's what I thought, thanks

[balmy current]

Though IMO, it is a diminishing return as you add more affixes the damage you see goes up by less (hence, going from 0% to 100% doubles your damage, but going from 1,000% to 1,100% you'd only see your damage increased by 10%), IMO that's a diminshing return.

[brittle atlas]

the damage goes up by the same in an absolute sense, though

[manic anchor]

thats a relative increase

[brittle atlas]

it's only going up less relative to your total damage

[mellow geyser]

Reading the community game guide will be your best bet, its clear and simple enough:)

[balmy current]

Yes, but it's used in the same manner.

[brittle atlas]

I think using it in the same manner muddies the water quite a bit

[balmy current]

But that's all people care about.

[balmy current]

It does

[acoustic thicket]

I just wanted to know at what percent increase percent does the damage start to diminish in this game. If I already have 200% increase would it be worth it to go with 300% or find another way of scaling. You all make it to complicated.

There is no need for this

You all do to much

[brittle atlas]

The answer is it depends on your other vectors of scaling and how much you have of each

[balmy current]

Yeah, the devil is in the detail

[brittle atlas]

but in general, yes, it's good to diversify which vectors you're scaling

however, all "increased damage" modifiers are the same vector

as they just get added together into a single multiplier regardless of how many different variations of "increased damage" you have

[acoustic thicket]

If you can't see the devil in the details, life is only what it seems. While people tend to question your perception, while living life in a dream.

[mellow geyser]

id say if the mob isnt dead his scaling is off somewhere else

[manic anchor]

directly losing power per point is a diminishing return, armour is more sensible example where you need more of it to see increases

[balmy current]

But that's exactly the same. Going from 0 armour to 100 armour gives you a lot more damage reduction than going from 10k armour to 10.1k armour.

Though the DR calculation from armour does have diminishing returns built in, even if it didn't the same would still hold true.

It's just be slower

[acoustic thicket]

You all really have me under the impression that the only reason you all are beating around the bush is because you don't want people to learn.

[manic anchor]

one point of damage is always one point of damage, one point of armor isnt always valued at one point of armor, this is what seperates relative increases from diminishing returns

[acoustic thicket]

So here.. I can not simplify this more. What is a good %damage increase to get before finding another way to scale your damage.

[snow spruce]

it all depends -- there's not a "right" answer to that

[amber notch]

Yes, these people here that are all spending their free time, helping people for free are purposefully trying to prevent people from learning

[manic anchor]

someone already linked the page with the formula

[brittle atlas]

It heavily depends on your class, build, etc. different setups have different amounts available and different vectors available

it's very hard to give a one-size-fits-all answer

[lunar holly]

281%, just do 281%

[manic anchor]

alternative ways to scale depend on how much raw you have vs how much of whatever youre using to scale you have

[brittle atlas]

I would say 800% is a decent amount of total increased to aim for in general, but not every class or build is going to find that easy to hit

and some will find it easy to hit 2000%, even while getting other vectors as well

[acoustic thicket]

I only see a bunch of equations to overcomplicate the question. It's easy. Is it 150%? 200%? maybe 250%?

[manic anchor]

because the answer needs an equation

theres no magic number

it doesnt exist

[acoustic thicket]

No it doesn't.

[snow spruce]

Well -- how do you think the damage is calculated in the first place?

[acoustic thicket]

2000%? so going from 1999% to 2000% would be a 0.000000000000001% damage increase right?

[brittle atlas]

1.00050025x more damage

[acoustic thicket]

a whole 1%

I'm just going to make a video when I figure it out and explain in detail how to scale damage and when to back off a scaling type to scale damage in a different way when i figure it out. Just like I did is POE.

[brittle atlas]

You could definitely build a calculator spreadsheet as is at the moment, I'm sure it's easy enough to figure out. It's just that the variation in how much of each specific scaling vector different builds have available makes it hard to give precise generic answers. Some builds have access to a lot of flat damage, but minimal % increased, so % increased is more valuable for them. Some builds have insane access to % increased, so flat becomes exceptionally valuable to them. Some builds scale really well with attack speed, some don't because they're rate limited by mana costs or cooldowns.

There are a huge number of variables that all vary by build.

[acoustic thicket]

I can take your statement and make it easier

Flat damage is already so low in numbers. If you are playing a hit based build, get as much flat damage as possible for the damage type you are playing and scale it with increases. Damage over time already comes with a flat base damage and does not scale with added flat damage. So you can only increase damage over time with %/

That's for every build

[brittle atlas]

That is not true in every case.

[acoustic thicket]

yes it is

[manic anchor]

definitely not how it works

[brittle atlas]

It is most certainly not.

[acoustic thicket]

There is a point in the scaling that % increase damage could be better than adding more flat damage. It is the players job to find the balance.

Flat damage is priority for hit based builds.

[snow spruce]

That's true, you're previous statement was definitely not true and is trying to find a generic answer when there is none.

[acoustic thicket]

*sips... don't talk to me

[brittle atlas]

1. there are hit based builds that get absurd amounts of flat damage. Things like Devotion Smite, Staff Upheaval, Most of the vitality scaling skills in VK, Cold Dot Werebear.

2. There are damage over time effects which do scale with flat damage, both spell and melee damage over time exist. For ailments specifically, ailment chance is effectively their flat damage, as more stacks add more base damage to scale via increased.

Both hit-based and damage over time builds also have cases where they do or don't scale with hit-rate, scaled by cast or attack speed.

You then also have things like critical chance and multiplier for hit-based builds

that will be more or less worth scaling depending on the availability of flat crit for the particular skill

[acoustic thicket]

Let me dumb it down even further. Get a high flat damage number and scale it with %increase or more multipliers. It's the players job to find the balance with %increases or more multipliers become better than flat damage.

[brittle atlas]

So basically: do the math yourself, it depends

which is what we've been saying anyways, except having dumbed it down delivers and makes clear none of the nuance or things to consider and just says "figure it out" without explaining how to figure it out.

[acoustic thicket]

I would also say 200% increase is the sweet spot before finding a different way of scaling.

[manic anchor]

🤣

[lunar holly]

#❔┃ask-the-community message I guess I was close

[balmy current]

But would you ever make a build that focusses on the Lacerate DoT from Rive's third hit?

[brittle atlas]

Maybe one day

[mellow geyser]

Anybody else enjoy HC Masochist mode? Man the mobs are tough to take out:)

[ripe hinge]

Does this mean that Ice bite scales with increased cold damage or that the entire skill (Wolves/squirrels) now scale with inc cold

[frank wasp]

this sword looks real cool, and seems pretty cool
is there a decent way to build with it?

[balmy current]

Just Ice Bite.

[azure lion]

justice bite?

[mellow geyser]

looks like a good spellblade weapon

[balmy current]

It's not a good weapon at all

[mellow geyser]

no, okay

he just seem to want to use it

[frank wasp]

i think its cool, and was hoping it had a use somewhere

[mellow geyser]

it may do, try it out and see

[buoyant sinew]

I feel like I've seen a lot of people try to do something with alluvion because it's so cool, but no one has ever managed to make it good. the consensus does seem to be that it's not quite there yet.

[mellow geyser]

if i get it to drop, ill give it a whirl

[buoyant sinew]

getting one should be pretty straightforward, IIRC it's endgame lagon's most common drop

if I recall correctly

[knotty hull]

ok thanks

[mellow geyser]

oh it is, thanks for the info

may take me a while on this character to get there..lol HC maso at the moment:)

[sharp quartz]

seems like you have found a mode that suits your required difficulty level!

[sharp quartz]

imho its the most disappointing unique. it gets your hopes up then destroys your will to live when you realize it sounds better than it actually is.

[mellow geyser]

lol...yeah,,i just had a big smile on my face fighting the voidforge fire boss, he almost got me:)

i do love my rougelike games and playing this way gives me the same thrill:)

[narrow shuttle]

heyyyy, i need some help. I just picked a mastery, found the monolith, but i don't know what to do

there's no way the game wants me to do the monolith quests, i'm lvl 30 and the quests are 58

there's no more map quests and i'm directionless

[mellow geyser]

yeah keep going through the story, come back to monolith

[narrow shuttle]

where's the story though??

there's no quest markers

[mellow geyser]

talk to the two npc upstairs

[narrow shuttle]

upstairs where?

like upstairs around that broken floating rock bridge/staircase?

[mellow geyser]

to the left, by where you got the masteries

speak to them again and you should get another time rift i believe

[narrow shuttle]

ohhhhhhhhh

omg tyvm

[mellow geyser]

no worries

[mellow geyser]

anyway of seeing a skills base crit chance anybody ?

[brittle atlas]

other than adding up the various sources of flat crit you have, no

the default base crit is 5% for everything if you don't have any added flat crit

[mellow geyser]

Okay thanks

[knotty hull]

question

if i have 50% Crit chance and wear another gear that gives me 50%

will i end with 75%?

[brittle atlas]

If that's increased crit chance, it depends on how much flat crit you have. If it's added crit chance, it'd be 100% (though I don't think there's any sources of 50% flat crit out there.)

Most skills have a base crit chance of 5%, so two sources of 50% increased crit chance would be 100% total increased, giving you 10% crit chance (the base of 5% increased by 100%)

[knotty hull]

understood, boss

now i see

they are all added together

and after, multiply by 5%

[brittle atlas]

yep, anything that says "increased" is added together

That's where flat crit chance comes in

for example, this affix gives 5% flat crit for melee skills

this gets added to the base and then modified by your increased crit chance

[knotty hull]

so now my base is 10

[brittle atlas]

so this would give you a base of 10%, which then benefits from all of your increased crit chance modifiers

[knotty hull]

amazing

defeniteley wanna this stat on my weapon

[brittle atlas]

for spells, there are items like this

[knotty hull]

before stacking increased critical chance

[brittle atlas]

Some skills also have base crit in their skill trees

for example, this node in the Harvest skill tree

[mellow geyser]

so that 3-6% spell crit chance is flat because it doesnt say increased?

[brittle atlas]

Yep

[mellow geyser]

ok

[knotty hull]

ill give more value to these nodes now

thanks, see you later

[fiery salmon]

is there anyway to do something similar to the "regex" search from poe in last epoch

are you able to search multiple terms at once

[minor kindle]

not yet

[ripe hinge]

is there a way to search for lp?

[minor kindle]

"legendary" ?

[wary shadow]

How much of an effect on loot does item rarity from echo buff stacks have?
Is it just higher chance of magic/rare/unique items? or does it influence "rarer" larger stacks of gold and rare crafting glyphs/runes/shards show up more?
or do we simply don't know

nvm forgot its a quality game with a good guide

👍

[formal sentinel]

How hard it's to get 100% crit chance guys ?

[frank wasp]

probably depends on the skill

[white pollen]

rogue can abuse critical vulnerability and attack speed to get 100% easily

[formal sentinel]

So having flat 100% crit chance is pretty hard

In resume

[white pollen]

yeah

[fiery salmon]

okay so is storm totems blizzard cast by storm totem itself or just a passive after taking this node. blizzard scaling tags are listed as cold and spell no minion tag although it is the totems skill?

nevermind i cant read. rather i didnt read ALL the way to the bottom

🤣

[frank wasp]

is this a thing somewhere?

[brittle atlas]

Frostbite builds use them

[frank wasp]

neat, ty

[ancient kelp]

Will stash carry over when multiplayer hits?

[cinder fossil]

you will still be able to play your current characters / keep your stash but nothing will be taken online

[ancient kelp]

Sweet, so it makes sense to do a Holy Grail on my current char 🙂

[raw coyote]

why might the axe be less dmg than the sword?

by several thousand dps

lvl 80 VK warpath

[dry narwhal]

the base

als othe attack speed

[raw coyote]

what do you mean 'the base'

[dry narwhal]

those arethe base stats

[raw coyote]

right

[dry narwhal]

on the "Hollow" blade

[raw coyote]

shouldn't the axe be more ?

[dry narwhal]

no

[raw coyote]

130 > 99

[dry narwhal]

hollow blade has flat void and void pen

[raw coyote]

is void pen calc'd in tooltip of warpath?

[dry narwhal]

should be

and also the attack speed is way more

which messes up calcs as well

[raw coyote]

why does void dmg count more than physical dmg?

[dry narwhal]

you have a node in warpath that increases your void damage by 50% globally

[raw coyote]

void spiral?

[dry narwhal]

i don't know the names but sure

[raw coyote]

is the double dmg from that applied to all void dmg applying to myself while having a 2hnd equipped?

[dry narwhal]

the effect is doubled

so you get 100% dmg

[raw coyote]

so that isn't giving me +20

that's giving me double to all flat void dmg sources

while a 2hnd is equipped

?

[dry narwhal]

no

[raw coyote]

aka 33 dmg on the base is acutally 66 dmg ?

oh

well then idk why void dmg would scale better for Warpath

that's the only node i have affecting Void dmg for warpath

[dry narwhal]

no that one does give you 20 damage

[raw coyote]

so probably singualr purpose in the VK tree?

[dry narwhal]

thought there was something wlse, but i do not actively play right now

[dry narwhal]

but basically void damge is giving you way more than physical

so the hollow blade is way better

[raw coyote]

does that 100% apply to the flat ?

[dry narwhal]

should ?

[raw coyote]

I thought it was just that other prefix modifier

void dmg %

and it added 100% to that

[dry narwhal]

why not both

[raw coyote]

because I think that would be OP

[dry narwhal]

arpgs like to stack modifiers so

[raw coyote]

like too much value for that node

[dry narwhal]

and also vk is pretty damn strong lol

it also has downsides on the node 😛

[raw coyote]

true

ok i'll jsut assume flat void is better from here on out

[dry narwhal]

i did not say they were relevant downsides thogh 😉

[raw coyote]

thanks

[carmine wind]

Does anyone know what is 'Added Damage Scaling' means? If a spell skill has 80% added damage scaling and I have 10 Adaptive Spell Damage does it only gain 8 damage to its base? Also in 0.8.3e patch notes it says Consecrated Ground added spell damage applies at 150% per second. But in Last Epoch Tools it has 72% added damage scaling. Which one is correct? Are they different things? I am very confused as how to calculate damage.

[ripe hinge]

Does this also increase unique drop rate (squirrel head) or just rares/exalts?

[brittle atlas]

all stats are global, so yes, that 100% increased applies the flat, the same as all other increased

If you're a VK, you've likely got a fair bit more synergy with flat void damage than physical, as you have a lot of void-specific modifiers in your passives.

[raw coyote]

right, i'm seeing that

i'll retool away from +phys

not sure why I thought it'd scale the same. the skill having the phys tag but no full conversion tripped me up

[frank wasp]

are curse builds a thing?

[pale widget]

Hey guys, can I get a Reign of Winter bow with a rune of ascendance?

[marsh maple]

no @pale widget

boss drops cannot be rune of ascendence'd into

[pale widget]

is it worth it to always compelte the quest echoes?

[desert tree]

If you are not in empowered you need to do them to get there

When in empowered you can skip them and do the boss straight away

[pale widget]

sry whats empowered

[desert tree]

A stronger version of the monos

[thorn rune]

does higher corruption affect monolith node rewards, e.g. can I get more of certain monoliths with higher corruption? or is it just a magic find boost?

[balmy current]

Yes, higher corruption increases the chance of the rarer nodes being spawned.

[vapid aspen]

In le tools it says 72% but it has an interval. Basically that is showing the amount per tick not the amount per second.

[knotty hull]

does this modifier increase the frequency of orobyss attacks/abilities?

[vapid aspen]

Most likely yes

will depend on what skill though

err no

duh

bosses aren't rare enemies

[sharp quartz]

the game differentiates between boss and rares so i am not sure.. might be one to ask devs

[knotty hull]

so no rare modifier affect orobyss or boss monolith?

good to know 👍

[vapid aspen]

nothing specific to a rare should affect them

[knotty hull]

i should have made the distinction earlier

[balmy current]

Yes, that is how added damage effectiveness works, it's a multiplier to flat-damage-that's-not-base-damage (ie, everything except the base damage of the skill & the exceptionally rare skill node that adds base damage). Generally more expensive/slower skills have larger modifiers (eg, Meteor has a 600% added damage effectiveness) & faster/aoe/duration skills have lower modifiers.

[formal sentinel]

help d:

D:

It doesn't sync

[granite aurora]

"Swarmblade form" and "foot of the mountain" both have a modifier that converts 100% dodge to a different stat. do both apply at full power? is one wasted? is this like poe damage conversion and both mods only convert 50% each? do increases to dodge rate increase the final armour/endurance threshold value gained?

[formal sentinel]

i've tried 2 times already

[sharp quartz]

Assuming that there isnt a Steam Cloud issue which has nothing to do with LE. Then I would Login to Steam via a browser and check the Remote Storage section for what is sync'd and what isnt. You may have to either backup all your local LE files and force Steam to download / sync what it has, OR you may have to remove everything from Steam Remote Storage and disable and enable Steam Cloud again and tell it that the local files are the latest ones. WHATEVER YOU DO, BACKUP FIRST.

[formal sentinel]

[hollow socket]

The cast speed isn't very relevant unless you use the node where bone curse can only trigger a single time. You'd simply find better items for that slot.

[balmy current]

And if you're using that node, you're likely using Cursed Limbs so you have 5s of Bone Cursing goodness.

Which sounds a lot stranger now I've typed it out.....

I mean, I take longer than 5s, just for clarification....

[sick yacht]

No need to brag...

[balmy current]

I do have 3 children, so, you know, at least 3 times....

[sick yacht]

Just piling it on now, sheesh

[balmy current]

https://tenor.com/view/scarlett-johansson-oh-yeah-yum-gif-23135598

[barren minnow]

Approximately how rare are "very rare" affix shards / items with those affixes on them? I'm level 89 and have found 2 runes of creation but only one item with +level of Judgement on it. Are any individual very rare affixes really that rare or am I just unlucky?

[vapid aspen]

make sure your filter isn't hiding them

[barren minnow]

I haven't messed with filters that much yet, only these very minor settings

[vapid aspen]

ok then yeah just keep going

level of affixes aren't super uncommon

although getting one specific one is a bit annoying

[barren minnow]

Ok, thanks.

[buoyant sinew]

if there's a specific affix you really need it's worth just putting a filter rule to make any item with that affix super obvious

so you can shatter/remove them

I like to tick the all caps option for example

[barren minnow]

Yeah, for the really rare affix ones I want to use (multiple) removal runes instead of shatter runes, right?

Because shatter doesn't guarantee that you get everything

[buoyant sinew]

yep

[cunning crow]

Is there any sort of thorns build? I know Rebuke exists, but I was hoping for something with less of a 'stop and go' feel

[brittle atlas]

the only real retaliation style builds I know of with any scaling are spriggan form or bear companion

[cunning crow]

Bear companion?

[brittle atlas]

yeah

@lyric plaza has a good setup for it iirc

[cunning crow]

Is it focused on the Ice Thorns, then? Looking up the Bear companion skill tree

[brittle atlas]

ice thorns and thorn shield from spriggan form I think?

[minor kindle]

no... the ice thorn from bear tree will not benefit your skill tree

[brittle atlas]

yeah, the bear doesn't get your ice thorns tree or anything

[cunning crow]

Aw, I was hoping their cast would benefit from that

[minor kindle]

oh, does "thorns build" refer to the ice thorns skill or the "damage reflect" build?

[brittle atlas]

my understanding of their question was looking for a retaliation/reflect style build

[cunning crow]

I was meaning damage reflection. Really, anything that just wants to move and get hit

[minor kindle]

then have no idea... it seems pretty weak now except for the thorn shield bear build which i have seen

[cunning crow]

Thorn Shield is from Spriggan form? I'll see if I can find one. Thank you!

[minor kindle]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/iorek-byrnison-a-thorn-shield-bear-build-guide-0-8-5/47807

[cunning crow]

Thank you!

[minor kindle]

You can see the T4 video at 1:10, insane damage

[lyric plaza]

Yeah, the strongest retaliation builds are beastmaster spriggan form solo companion bear, and lich+ deathseal or necromancer+dread shade solo bone golem ret

[brittle atlas]

ah yeah, forgot about bone golem

[cunning crow]

Why solo companion? Is there a benefit to having less than max companions?

[brittle atlas]

there's a node that limits you to one companion to make it do more damage

[lyric plaza]

Yeah beastmaster has two solo nodes that give 70% and 80% more damage for having one companion only

[cunning crow]

Ahh, good to know!

Dumb question: I haven't played in a while. Did they remove cross-character stash for new characters?

Cause I have nothing in my stash on a brand new character

Or do Hardcore characters not have the same stash as softcore?

[vapid aspen]

Hardcore has different stash

[cunning crow]

Good to know. Picked hardcore cause I thought it had the same stash XD

Gave myself a bit more of a challenge than I intended. Should be fun

[hollow socket]

And you can only have 1 bear at a time.

So while 3 bears would be stronger you basically only have the choice of going for a solo bear.

[cunning crow]

Ah, I had forgotten you can't have duplicates without specific points

[wanton hatch]

I need to find ways to get more Maelstroms for single target. Either CDR for Warcry, and/or attack speed somehow.

There's def some passives I could get attack speed for. not sure how important that is though

can get like 7 total points worth of 5% IAS.

Also, using a staff. probably not ideal.

[hollow socket]

Can't you mostly sustain 8 with the 50% CDR node on warcry?

[wanton hatch]

Well... Maelstrom is 7 sec duration, and Warcry is 4 sec CDR?

sooo, not quite, I guess.

Yeah, you hit 8 w/ perfect cast time, it goes from 4 to 8 for a brief second every cast.

But I want like 13+ single target.

[brittle atlas]

put double cdr on your helm imo

[wanton hatch]

double? I only know of prefix CDR

[brittle atlas]

cdr and cdr while transformed

[wanton hatch]

Ah

nice.

[cunning crow]

I can manage 15+ fairly easily on my shaman build

[brittle atlas]

with double cdr I hover around 15-20 on single target

[wanton hatch]

awesome

[brittle atlas]

I don't have attack speed on my atrophy tho

dunno how much that would gain you

[wanton hatch]

atrophy? is that relic

oh sry, the gloves

[brittle atlas]

yeah, the penetration gloves

[wanton hatch]

Is that BiS

[brittle atlas]

I think so yeah

with lp

[wanton hatch]

yeah... do bosses have equal chance to drop items

[brittle atlas]

seems better than wing guards anyways

[wanton hatch]

so 1/4 for Atrophy?

[brittle atlas]

atrophy is 50%

[wanton hatch]

nice

i may want to farm it.

what influences whether or not theres's LP

pure RNG? IIR? etc?

[brittle atlas]

zone level and the effective level of the item

zone level is gonna be 100 obviously in empowered

and the effective level of atrophy is 64

so 1lp should be uncommon but not too hard to get

2lp pretty rare

and 3lp and up super rare

[wanton hatch]

interesting

[wanton hatch]

"effective level"?

so, Black Sun is area lvl 66, I believe.

[buoyant sinew]

empowered monos are all level 100, don't farm monos until you've unlocked them

[wanton hatch]

can i do them on HC

[brittle atlas]

Easily

[wanton hatch]

ok cool

so just rush to 100 for now?

[brittle atlas]

Effective level is a hidden modifier to the rarity of LP on each unique

[wanton hatch]

I'm about to do the 75 boss, Ending the Storm.

[buoyant sinew]

effective level seems to be equal to level requirement for most uniques but not all

[brittle atlas]

Yeah, generally you should be able to smoothly progress to empowered without needing to stop and farm

[buoyant sinew]

can check on lastepochtools for the effective level though

unique farming in empowered black sun also feels so efficient

get to farm atrophy, herald of the scurry and bastion of honor all at the same time

[brittle atlas]

You’ll also probably be hitting up that timeline for an empowered spell leech blessing too

[wanton hatch]

cool

i got super lucky and got it on my first try

2.6% (1.5 - 3.0%)

[brittle atlas]

I think the empowered version is up to 5%? 6%?

[wanton hatch]

what's Empowered, just a slightly higher tier? so maybe 3-4%

nice

yeah 5%.

worth

Sooooo. Effective LP. I still don't get it. Is it simply a delta between E. LP and aLvl? the larger the difference, the higher the chance for more LP?

[brittle atlas]

nah, it's just an internal modifier to how rare lp is on an item

a lower number is more common, a higher number is rarer

we don't have the exact numbers

[wanton hatch]

so lvl 1 ELP is like guaranteed 2+ LP (making this up), and lvl 100 ELP is like impossible to have over 1 LP

making up extreme example

[brittle atlas]

sort of, yeah

[wanton hatch]

ok, some sort of scale. Got it

[brittle atlas]

yeah

[wanton hatch]

Generally speaking, is 64 ELP (Atrophy) favorable to get ~2 LP, or is it pretty much guaranteed 1 LP at that ELP lvl.

[brittle atlas]

an example from the devs was them spawning 5000 pairs of Ravenous Void (a unique with an effective level 105) and getting 40 1 LP pairs

64lp means 1lp is probably...1:10 or 1:15 in my experience

[wanton hatch]

I really like this end game system (LP), because first off you need to get the right base item (Exalted Item), and then craft, ideally, super good stats - so you need to create a pretty damn good item. And then sacrifice it for the gamble.

[acoustic crag]

will it scale my ignites from increased physical damage?

[wanton hatch]

oh wow.

[brittle atlas]

no, conversions in LE don't get pre-conversion stats

in most cases

[wanton hatch]

Hm

[brittle atlas]

so if you make your bleeds into ignites, you'll no longer get any benefit from trying to scale physical stuff

[wanton hatch]

That seems odd

What's the benefit to convert Bleed -> Ignite then, if Inc Phys Dmg doesn't Inc the Ignite

[buoyant sinew]

the main one is that you get to stack bleed chance and ignite chance

so can get a ton of ignite chance

[vapid aspen]

it's not a benefit really. Conversions are about changing the skill

[brittle atlas]

yeah, the only benefits come from synergies between being a certain damage type

[vapid aspen]

you change it to fire because you maybe have some massive source of fire penetration from some other source

[brittle atlas]

for example, converting your physical entangling roots on cold dot bear to cold because you get cold pen in druid and can scale ele dot affixes instead

[vapid aspen]

Another reason to convert might be that you have some item with +20 fire damage and +20 cold damage. Some conversions will also convert added damage, which would let you consolidate your damage to a single type and better use pen and shreds

[hollow socket]

On that note, I hope they make conversions function the same globally.

Some convert only ailments, some convert base damage, some convert all added damage, some even convert subskills.

It'd be so much easier to build around them if each one converted everything.

[vapid aspen]

some even convert subskills without telling you

(smite void conversion also works on fissure)

[hollow socket]

Precisely. This is not difficulty, it's just confusion.

Not what the game needs.

[vapid aspen]

well the change to adaptive melee is a step in the right direction at least

[wanton hatch]

Here's a fun question. When I did my first timeline (lvl 58), it gave me an option to pursue lvl 66 or 62. I chose 66. But if I wanted to go back to 62 for some reason (unique, blessing, etc), would I have to go back and re-complete the 58 and then select the 62 option?

[hollow socket]

Adding a damage type via the spec tree doesn't always add the tag either. I fear adaptive damage is gonna be confusing as well.

[vapid aspen]

Yes

[vapid aspen]

They said in the dev post they were doing a pass on when tags are added iirc

[obsidian cypress]

quick question about unique drops. i want to farm for a marina's lost soul wand and it says "requires level: 78". does that mean it can only drop from lvl 78 (or higher) areas?

[desert tree]

Yes

[obsidian cypress]

so i can't just hop into the broken lance timeline and insta farm it. i have to get it to at least 78

[wanton hatch]

Does anyone know how the lvl 62 Blessings affect other drops? Does this sacrifice other item types so you'll see them slightly less?

[woven fulcrum]

well, if you actually just rush and push through to Empowered monos
you'll power up much better and gain more gear.
then farming in empowered will make your chance to get it to drop will be higher.

[obsidian cypress]

I'll be honest i'm new to the game since the big end game changes so I don't really know what empowered monos are or anything. Trying to learn as I go atm

[white pollen]

finish all 3 lvl 90 monoliths

basically

[obsidian cypress]

Alright. Guess I'll keep pushing then

are the 3 monoliths in random timelines or always the same?

realistically i dont know but i think im understanding it

i assumed end of time was just the start of the end game

[white pollen]

the lvl 90 timelines are: Spirits of Fire, uhh the void one in the top right, and age of winter

I think

[obsidian cypress]

so monolith = timeline?

[knotty hull]

each monolith has an island

as you progress trough them, you will eventually finish 3 level 90 monoliths

after, you unlock the empowered monoliths, which is a level 100 version of all monoliths

[obsidian cypress]

ok that makes sense

[knotty hull]

you will understand perfectly as you play

dont worry

[raw coyote]

if you complete an echo but don't take the portal you make from the button, do you lose those reawrds?

[buoyant sinew]

you can press T to make a portal, but you have to do it after you complete the objective

[raw coyote]

did, but when i go back there's no reward chest

[buoyant sinew]

did you die in the area beforehand? dying scrubs the rewards from the area

[raw coyote]

i went to the end of time