🔪┃rogue

[eager mason]

and mm lost shurikens

[flint turret]

cold shred doesnt do as much

more than half flat is not cold

[eager mason]

I was thinking about armor

[flint turret]

ah yeah that too kekw

[flint turret]

most of the time endurance thres is actually better choise tho

[eager mason]

maybe

[flint turret]

more or less same hit ehp but more dot ehp

[eager mason]

I mostly played ll last season

[flint turret]

yeah no wonder it doesnt eork there

[plush rune]

Is wildfire embers + kuzons set cookin or cooked >_>

how big is the fighting arena, are the wisps allies

[flint turret]

i think it can be pretty fun and totally viable

devs even confirmed dancing repeats also trigger skills

so ignite cascade should be pretty good with that

[plush rune]

I remember some testing ppl did with the amulet that showed it was very iffy to use

but I think this might be the home for it <_<
smoke cloud to make shadows, dancing to trigger cascade, throw a lot of burning daggers

[flint turret]

it was iffy on single target ignite skills, and embers proliferation is doubled this season

[plush rune]

offhand eye of reen?

[flint turret]

yep

or not, if its throwing cascade

[plush rune]

'throwing' would be the daggers the kuzan skill does nothing else

[finite arch]

so what builds u guys going?

[plush rune]

still split, keep hoppin class to class

[flint turret]

hydra plan ended up pretty weird, with alterating attacks between rend and shurikens, and 33 manacost rend, even more when black arrows. but i think i can sustain it

[plush rune]

concept starting point, passives are w/e, split between hit / dot based >_>
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4XRMlO0

[wise echo]

DS for the 999th time.

[finite arch]

lol

[wise echo]

Anyone did math for new flow and the uptime yet?

[eager mason]

I mean depends on what you are comboing

your attacks per second etc

[flint turret]

new flow is huge for 1 big rend hit or lm hit, or even self-casted cascade

i think we sleeping on lm it gets huge bufs overall

[eager mason]

if I dont get bored I wanna play it

but not the 10 part combo one shot one

[flint turret]

it wont be 10

[eager mason]

probably some bbc stuff

[flint turret]

its umbral-umbral-umbral-shift-lm

[eager mason]

are you running the set for shadows or

[flint turret]

dunno tbh, i havent made a planner yet but umbrals spamming shadows and giving back mana while i still can have coated blades AND flow is uge already

also umbrals will give back mana on sapping strikes

and take care of bleed application too

[slow sierra]

Flow turning from 100% inc to 100% more is actually cracked

[flint turret]

for stuff like lm it defo is

[eager mason]

it should probably be locked behind more points

not 3

only 3 makes it good for a lot of stuff

[flint turret]

tbh its really niche

[slow sierra]

na it is already a significant investment to perform the combo

[flint turret]

not that many rogues skill make use of it

but the ones which do... oh yeah

[slow sierra]

its not like you can spam you have to be aware of your stacks and proc on the correct ability

[flint turret]

i mean would you rather dance-dance-dacne-sync-manual cascade or just spam sync

[eager mason]

thats why I havent played ds yet

maybe this league

but have a lot to play

wanna play hydra evade at some point too

[flint turret]

this definetly has potential because of flow and crushing darness node nerf

[slow sierra]

TBH shadow rend also just looks like the best movement skill atm

3 sec cd 2 charges

[flint turret]

giant hit with 6-7 shadows that gets 30% more and 100 more, not even counting ds buffs

oh

you can also take nodes in shift for more damage

20% and 30% on next cast

giga cascade hit

[eager mason]

I need this terek guy to be fast

I dont want to cook lvling

[flint turret]

im gonna take my time leveling with rend

wont be pretty probably, but after doing it with cinder i think ill manage

i would be super happy if rend will allow me to do uber without super cracked gear as a seasonal goal

bladestorm shuri will do it for sure

life fire cascade too id say

[eager mason]

a lot of those can now

[flint turret]

lm i dunno

[eager mason]

except for like cinder and da maybe

and acid now I guess

Despair

[flint turret]

self casted umbrals too

flow cracked

[eager mason]

how is net dps

people play lightning right?

[flint turret]

tbh i have no idea, i just know it clears monos alright but only few people played it

and i dont think it gets anything interesting in s4

[slow sierra]

bladestorm shuiken wont do as much ST damage if blade shield does not work well with the blade storms

[flint turret]

considering shurikens already can do uber, just need great gear, bladestorm should make things easier

its huge qol to have passive leech on uber

whule you run between lasers or whatever

thats basically the thing that makes HS kill it with shit damage, and hs recurve time is way less than bladestorm duration

[slow sierra]

how long did the shuriken kill take for uberoth?

[eager mason]

good gear like 2:20 I think

but I think I can do it with 1lp slams

hard to get hit on ranged

[slow sierra]

I was thinking bladestorm shuriken with umbral flow spam

[slow sierra]

thanks for links

[flint turret]

i think you can just spam shurikens no need to add umbrals

umbrals require you to hug the boss tbh

[boreal walrus]

multishot love

[eager mason]

it got nerfed

[night laurel]

Ballista falconer dead next season yeah?

[wise echo]

Was about to send here.

Its not 2% even at T7 anymore wow

[wary cedar]

it's just 1%

🤓

[zenith rivet]

Does this node work only when you also cast the Burning Daggers Cone from the 1st hit of Cinder Strike or can the shadows also use it whenever you throw a burning dagger from any source?

[plush rune]

I believe only from the Cinder

It's looking kinda juicy with the new set blade anyway tho

[zenith rivet]

i was thinking of using Dancing Strikes as my main ability though so this node wouldnt work for me 🙁

[plush rune]

Dancing strike for clear / setup for doing Sync shadows into max Flow buffed Cinder Strike that shoots out 5 daggers from you and 5 per your what.. 5? 7? I dunno how max shadows works :D

[zenith rivet]

i will die before playing anything around Flow

[plush rune]

fair enough lol

[zenith rivet]

other than proccing flow for the buff

the whole mechanic fills a bit awkard to me

the spending part i mean

[plush rune]

I haven't really done a bladedancer build ever so I'll gotta try it to see how I like the feel of it

on paper it seems decent enough

[wise echo]

Should be only from cinder strike, but it might work global

[wise echo]

Flow works incredible well for dancing strikes, each move of DS count as a skill for flow.

[plush rune]

DS is 4 strikes right <_<

[zenith rivet]

so does DS generate and consume the flow by itself?

[wise echo]

Yes

[plush rune]

I need someone to explain how do I setup max shadows + pulse for cinder strike

[flint turret]

wait i just noticed, we have flow for 100% more damage and we have pulse for 100% more dot damage, arent they multiplicative with each other for dot?

flow doesnt specify for hits only

Or is it 200%

Anyways it's not 100 in total for dot, right?

[plush rune]

might have to just abandon all other things and make this DS only cos my heads spinnin trying to figure out what the optimal sequence of used skills is and thats' before I try to add wildfire embers to the mix cos I have no idea wtf that does with shadows if anything <_<

might just start the season on frost skelly mages instead thats just head empty stand there and let the guys do the work for you

[wise echo]

Omen Idols have status effect immunity

Very interesting

[wise echo]

I think so, it should double the buff

[flint turret]

Dam, ignite cascade might be even stronger than I thought

[crimson latch]

everybody theorycrafting (?)

[finite arch]

yes

and im waiting for a build 🙂

[flint turret]

Would have gone ignite cascade D's for sure if if not for rend

[zenith rivet]

did you guys notice that we can reach 70% crit avoidance just from the BD passive tree? 😮

[wise echo]

Yep. the 3 point node at the bottom right is amazing.

[crimson latch]

then BD is gnna be the best mastery for rogue this season

[wise echo]

Btw they should've buffed the glancing blow node.

Apostacy, give it 15% more dmg reduction

[crimson latch]

but u can't dodge

[wise echo]

But 50% dmg reduction is pretty big. And you still have silver shroud.

[crimson latch]

so now rogue can lvl faster with this new skills and reworks isnt?

[slow sierra]

getting blade storm at lvl 10ish seems strong

[eager mason]

you cant really beat the current lvling without having your movement skill trigger the damage skill

like in the current game you just shift and stuff behind you dies in acts

in monos you just aerial assault

[slow sierra]

shadow rend

[eager mason]

I dont think thats gonna be faster

but we will see

[slow sierra]

I think it will

make it traversal 2 charges

low cd

500% added dmg

seems crazy to me

[river lily]

so bladestorm good yes or no?

[slow sierra]

I think leveling with exploding blade storm and shadow rend for traversal will be good

[river lily]

what about shadow daggers as well for leveling?

[slow sierra]

I think the proc rate is too low

and shadow rend can apply shadow daggers too

[river lily]

so shadow rend shadow daggers for leveling perhaps

[slow sierra]

I am thinking of something like this for leveling. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM6Ll23e

[rocky nova]

Wondering if icicle HS might be actually decent at bossing with the new corrupted stat, It was pretty goated for clear already, but uber abby was just really slow

[slow sierra]

Even with that it just does not have enough multipliers to make it good for bosses.

[rocky nova]

Definitely wont suddenly make it a big boss killer, but it might make it good enough at bossing to not feel bad

can go on bow and quiver, so like 10-12% extra chance probably, ofc gonna be hard to roll

[plush rune]

hmmmm <_<

[river lily]

i think if you want the bladestorm detonation you also want the alloy animation makes the detonation way quicker because the collide faster

[slow sierra]

You lose a explosion

rather have 3x explosions than 2 per cast

[flint turret]

okay how about this rend one-shot build https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3Z1M1lk
coated blades 80% more damage, flow 100% more damage, double nodes in shift for 20 and 30 more damage, 100% phys pen, 7 shadow consume for 360% more damage, and all other more mods in rend tree, 200% inc aoe

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (37) / Bladedancer (66) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,970, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 79 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 71% / 71% / 73% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,538
▸ Dodge Chance: 71% (4005)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (860)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 122%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Shift / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Explosive Trap / Umbral Blades

[flint turret]

combo is ub-ub-ub-shift rend

[plush rune]

triggered by idol

[flint turret]

placeholder

attack stats are not perfectly balanced either dont mind it

[finite arch]

ill try it

that for end game?

[plush rune]

whats the max shadows, 5? <_<

[slow sierra]

7

[flint turret]

8

[slow sierra]

or 8

[flint turret]

well now 7 soon to be 8

[plush rune]

Base 3 with +1 from being BD, +1 from tree, +1 from chest, where are the last 2 from

[slow sierra]

Gloves

[flint turret]

gloves

[slow sierra]

and not sure about 8

[plush rune]

Gloves is +1

[flint turret]

primo +2

[slow sierra]

primodial glove affix is +2

I guess?

[plush rune]

is it? cos isn't that a champion mod thats capped at t7

[kind adder]

I'm probably going to try leveling with dancing strikes... no idea how that's gonna go but it seems pretty fast and getting big buffs, especially with Flow changes

[plush rune]

anyway with 7 that's already x6 on the hidden strength so yeah shadow rend might be shreddin hard

[flint turret]

i think i can make it better with bow as a one-shot

need to calculate

elemetal arrows go hard

[plush rune]

the qol of not having to melee as rogue is quite huge

[flint turret]

probably bow on BD tho, 2 extra shadows is better than 33% more damage from manacost i think

or not?

[eager mason]

did they not fix birds arent real

[flint turret]

360% vs 240%x1.33 is pretty close

[flint turret]

they didnt? OMG

[eager mason]

I mean

lol

[flint turret]

its omegabad if they are not fixing it

instarip of falconer rend

[eager mason]

I would ask but they would tell me to put a suggestion

Title: Birds Arent Real
Suggestion: It works for 1 season

[night laurel]

I think it doesn't matter what you try, Rogue is dead. The new season will be another Sentinel season.

[eager mason]

lol

[flint turret]

if you wanna ragebait try harder bro

[night laurel]

Nope

[flint turret]

fixing the most op build doesnt mean its dead

[night laurel]

Fixing? Whats wrong with you?

[south mortar]

Chakram grants 50% more damage, doubled if used directly (from always 100% more damage).

Does shadow duplicating the direct cast count as a direct cast or indirect?

[flint turret]

can be both, if its not triggered, its direct

[night laurel]

In the current season, Juice's Falconer build easily kills 8k Corr bosses. The same goes for Void Knight. Rogue got nerfed, but Void Knight didn't!

[flint turret]

i.e. you push shurikens = direct

[south mortar]

yeah i dont know if the shadow duplication counts as a trigger or not. Basically I want to know if hey nerfed the hell out of synchro strike chakram

[flint turret]

if you use sync and push shurikens its a direct cast

[south mortar]

ok cool, so that just got added in there for the blade storm shuriken dispenser

[flint turret]

yep

[crimson latch]

rend can be considered as bow attack ?

@flint turret ur my wikipedia

[astral salmon]

Does Shadow Massacre node (Shadow Rend) consume the shadow created by the Shadow Rend you just used or only shadows created prior to the Shadow Rend attack?

[round topaz]

did anyone cook up a fire DS + SC build already?

[snow ember]

Animation cap is still in as far as we know

So you'll be capping speed by about level 60/70 gear

[left sun]

my rouge plan might be too much on the defensive side

[wise echo]

Reflect Rogue template

[left sun]

I don't beleive in reflect

[kind adder]

Animation cap? Like there's a cap on how fast the animation goes?

How easy is it to hit that cap?

[snow ember]

Yes, 34% cooldown reduction reaches it

Trivial

[kind adder]

Okay but CDR is removed...

So how does that factor in?

Sorry

Not CDR

the cooldown on the skill has been removed

It has no cooldown

So am I automatically at the cap then?

[snow ember]

Doesn't matter if the animation cap is still there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAyn5SUmPM

Past 34% CDR you cannot go faster no matter what

If they haven't fixed that it could be -10s cooldown and it won't matter

[kind adder]

Right but CDR won't have any affect on the skill... so does that just automatically put me at the cap, whatever that would be? Since attack speed doesn't scale actual attack speed for DS?

[snow ember]

Not clear, it can't have 0 cooldown because each strike has an animation and the next strike can't start until the animation finishes

Which to me suggests you're still capped at the animation speed

[kind adder]

But instead of needing CDR to get to that cap, we're just starting there would be my guess

[snow ember]

Ultimately doesn't make a difference if so

The animation cap is painfully slow

[kind adder]

If you can scale enough damage it probably doesn't matter, but idk how much damage you can pump out of it, even with the buffs

[snow ember]

Sure, but if every other skill can scale damage and attack speed and you can only scale damage... You're worse off

[kind adder]

Yeah true

They've said it still won't scale attack speed even tho there's no cooldown between attacks now?

[snow ember]

They haven't said anything

That's the problem

[kind adder]

Ah

[snow ember]

We know it's animation capped currently

[river lily]

so umbral blades shuriken cooking next season?

[snow ember]

New stuff is basically always overpowered so... yeah

[kind adder]

Dancing Strikes no longer has a cooldown, and now gains increased movement speed equal to 50% of your total increased melee attack speed, up to 100% increased movement speed. It still gains more damage equal to 50% of your total increased melee attack speed.

Yeah nothing in there about attack speed scaling or animation caps

So it's likely still going to be capped

[snow ember]

Unless each strike can interrupt the animation of the previous strike

[kind adder]

Damn

[snow ember]

Then it has a defacto cooldown

[kind adder]

Yep

That's dumb. No other skill has an animation cap

It must be something in the code that doesn't increase animation speed since it doesn't scale with attack speed

[snow ember]

Want to hear more of the rabbit hole

In true offline mode it goes faster than online mode 😂

[kind adder]

Bruh

That's hilarious

Is there still a cap in true offline?

[snow ember]

Yes, but higher

[kind adder]

That's wild

[snow ember]

There's obviously some weird coding behind that ability. Melee attack that doesn't scale with attack speed but instead cooldown reduction, and has a capped animation speed and previously-fixed movement minimum and maximum range

Probably all kinds of jank code underneath it

[kind adder]

I doubt it would be easy to un-jank, so probably no changes to that this season

Maybe in the DLC

Well even if it stays slow I still wanna try it out. Literally never touched it in previous seasons so now seems like the best time to give it a go with the buffs and new items

I equipped it on my eternal bladedancer just to see what it even looked like and it's probably my favorite looking skill in the game... the animations are so sick. Even though that's what's holding it back lol

[snow ember]

Yeah, I'm 50/50 on whether to bother with it again

It's so much more time and effort to make it work vs ... basically any other melee

[river lily]

Have we seen footage of ghost blade yet?

[snow ember]

@kind adder Good and bad news

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Not fixed yet, still capped, you just don't need CDR as you said - you start at the animation speed limit. Good news -> progress towards fixing it

[flint turret]

got my answer about tabi boots for rend is someone is interested: bow part will trigger all bow related stuff and melee part will trigger all melee related stuff regardless of a weapon used. the opposite of equipped weapon shadow is considered an indirect cast

so its basically possible to melee leech using bow, etc but i dont really understand what does being indirect implies here

"It means that if an effect says "When you directly use a melee..." like how coated blades starts, it won't affect it. The alternate version is not part of the initial cast, it is its own skill cast indirectly by the player."

my planners need a bit of rework i guess since elemetal arrows and other stuff wont be affecting melee hit

tabi boots look not nearly as good now

[flint turret]

thats basically what we thought already no

[eager mason]

yeah

not bad to confirm tho

[flint turret]

true

dam im dissapointed by tabi mechanics

[eager mason]

double confirmed

[flint turret]

most of my planners used those

yeah i want to use ravagers on multishot but i havent fighured what skills beside multishot smoke and rend i would use if i drop out ravager

[slow sierra]

Aww that means that hidden strength does not affect the boot cast either

[flint turret]

yep, basically almost everything doesnt

gotta replace them in planners

[finite arch]

so the build u posted dont work, gotta fix them?

[wraith nacelle]

in bow shadow rend do you think its going to be better to get damage per arow for multi shot on the helm or damage for attacks used by shadows so it buffs shadow rend and MS?

[kind adder]

Well I'll take that I guess

[amber hound]

Two questions:

1. do we know if there's any way to extend bladestorm duration from gear mods?

2. the umbral blades node in bladestorm that shatters the blades to ramp BS damage... do we know if that prevents the UB from doing hit damage?

[fading burrow]

no, the nerf isnt that heavy

[delicate onyx]

You guys think Bees will be stronger on Rogue then on Primalist?

[calm night]

that build did 50k corruption last season i think it will be pefectly fine

[misty torrent]

Anyone planning play fire shadow cascade?

[shell sapphire]

For your first question there is this new relic https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwdgjALArAnEA

[candid ledge]

primalist has 0 support for bees at all

u have to play falconer

is like the only way to play it basically

unless ur throwing

cuz u cant even use hive mind on primalist in the first place

[delicate onyx]

beastmaster has some buffs like more attackspeed and flat dmg for bees but nothing insane rly

[candid ledge]

those only apply to companions

right?

bees not companions

[delicate onyx]

it said minions

[candid ledge]

oh

well i dont rlly think anything is beating getting 1700% pen from your helmet

but maybe

💀

[candid ledge]

from what i see all the bm nodes/aspect nodes are companion restricted so idk

[delicate onyx]

beastmaster passive when you choose the mastery

32% attackspeed for bees

theres also one with 10 flat dmg for minions

[delicate onyx]

and theres also 100% more health at the end of the tree

[fading burrow]

its fine because the nerf isnt hard, not because someone abusing Confluence and corpse run 50k times to finish a 50k corruption echo

then took a screenshot to bait others its gigantic OP build

[candid ledge]

none of those stats is anything u rlly care about

i mean they arent bad but its not like actually changing ur build

can just get all that stuff on falconer and then abuse real op stuff

that falconer has

u dont even rlly care about minion hp on this build

[delicate onyx]

its not all there is, there are also some idols unique to Primalist and lots of other stuff so we will see when it goes live

[kind adder]

Just realized something about the change. They said it gains increased move speed based on melee attack speed, so I guess that means you move faster than before while using it? Maybe better than I thought for leveling then, if you get to just speed run everything. Can take the nodes for auto cascade and shurikens to help with clear.

[topaz robin]

do burning daggers from cinder strike inherit things like oil coating from cinder strike?

[bold brook]

For those interested in what increased movement speed for dancing strikes means

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/Kmzz1YDoHY

[cobalt mantle]

Burning daggers do not inherit anything unless explicitly stated
That said, oil coating is just a global buff, so it applies to everything you do

[topaz robin]

Yeah I figured but Ive been out of the game so long figured I'd ask

[plush rune]

tad of a shame they're not an inherent subskill for those purposes but I figure flaming fury + pillagers gold makes for some fat enough daggers

[plush rune]

this seems funny to me

lil shame its melee, lookin kinda squishy

[warm ledge]

Hello does anyone know how does "increased damage with skills used by shadows" work with shadow daggers? Does it increase the damage of the shadow daggers applied by shadows or just not work at all?

[dire forge]

No, shadow dagger is an ailment

[warm ledge]

ok,thx

[drowsy wind]

ok, i'm all in for BS+UB 2h sword build lol - anyone wants to chime in and help improve it? I'm just working around the core.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxw23PJ

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (68) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,283, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 39 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / 5% / 5% / 20% / 5% / 7% / 7%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 257
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 51%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

None

[wary cedar]

this link is empty bro

[drowsy wind]

yeah, i forgot to save XD just updated. Still missing a lot of items and the idols, i'm checking what would work with skills and such

[wary cedar]

do you want to cast umbral yourself? 😡

[drowsy wind]

yeah why not. the more i throw into bladestrom the stroinger it becomes

[wary cedar]

hmmm

i dont like pressing buttons

i would automate umbral and recall it with shift and shift through bladestorm

buuuuut idk how that will play once it's out

[drowsy wind]

automation makes it target whatever it wants i assume, while i specificallyw ant to hit bladestorms

[wary cedar]

you automate the recall

and recall comes to you

and you shift through bladestorm

[drowsy wind]

you lose recall when UB gets eaten by bladestorm

[wary cedar]

yea isnt that the plan?

[drowsy wind]

yep. i assume that since you cannot recall blades those nodes won't work

[wary cedar]

you dont throw umbral, you just recall it

[drowsy wind]

at least that's how i understood it.

[wary cedar]

you get the umbrals from expirering shadows

[drowsy wind]

ok

drop BS, cerate shadows, shift through BS and get all the rest in a single press

[wary cedar]

lemme implement my idea into your build, but idk how it's gonna play, i just always try to press the least buttons needed for a build lol xd

[drowsy wind]

that's the idea correct?

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgD5VR3

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (68) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,585, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 39 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / 5% / 5% / 41% / 5% / 7% / 7%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 317
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (305)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 90%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 110%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Umbral Blades / Shurikens / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[wary cedar]

but once again, idk if that works out in real map clearing and stuff

but with that the bladestorm gets huge movementspeed

and the buffs with umbral, at least i think it does

[drowsy wind]

yeh BS move speed shoudl be way better with s4

worth trying it for sure.

[wary cedar]

i wonder if you could get it so high movespeed it clears the entire map in 1s or something xd

[drowsy wind]

also, 2h is not really hugely supported so we'll see XD

[wary cedar]

ya in my first idea of that build i used the one bow that gives you an additional shift use so you get more shadows - more umbral blades - and with that the buff more consistently

[drowsy wind]

dat crit dmg tho

[wary cedar]

but idk if it's worth it since raw dmg or something should be lower than with two hand

[wary cedar]

just get reen lol

but i didn't end up with a BS build i liked so i m gonna play shadwo rend

[drowsy wind]

first ever build in EA was a shuriken bladestorm blademaster, i want to improve on that for s4 😄

[wary cedar]

checks out, my first one was cascade build, so im back to that xd

[sage canyon]

pag

[flint turret]

Good question, shadow goes up to 240 while multishot goes to 340 with 17 arrows. Might be worth using just shadows maybe. Anyways I figured out which skill I want to see on my rend multishot. I guess I'll drop out ravager but keep hs and just macro it once in a while with the CD added node. The last skill I would wanna see is shurikens ( triggered from corrupted bow and quiver) gonna be tough but should be fun and awesome

[flint turret]

That's huge actually. So with them removing CD and adding attack speed scaling it means ist gonna be what, like 4 times faster?

[sage canyon]

uhh i wouldnt say 4 maybe on some builds?

but at least 2ce

[flint turret]

Twice it's already without cd

[sage canyon]

also on single target bigges change that u can cast stationary so there i would expect 4x speed

[flint turret]

You usually have like 3 attacks per second and CD was like 0.3

With cdr gear

Maybe 0.2?

And now attack speed is halving the animation time

Looks super promising

Can lead to some giga flow combo setups

3ds-sync-whatever

Well or sync anywhere in-between tbh

Probably should try it with 7 shadow consume rend, sound fun

[sage canyon]

thats what i was talking abt yrday with potato, the question is will the 100% more dmg new flow bonus apply to shadows or not, if so you ditch the rythm upgarde and take shadow on 2nd strike on ds and do 1-2ds for shadow sync and manual cascade as 4th

to get 5shadwos+manual cast all boosted by 100% more dmg

but need devs to confirm

[flint turret]

It should because it's a direct cast anyway

[sage canyon]

well i was assuming it should by all rules of le

but....

frigggin ehg, its a new mechanic can be bugged can be not

like who tf knows without testing

[sage canyon]

i mean its obviously will affect your direct cast, the question is will it affect shadows too if not there is no point bothering and better spam ds for maximum buffs

[flint turret]

Yeah we can make giga cascade probably, but I was thinking about 7 shadows, buffs to next attack on shift, using umbrals and shift recall before 5th cast

[sage canyon]

LOL

could be a thing

[flint turret]

And can also add coated blades

Sapping with umbrals to restore mana

[pine hatch]

It's only causing the skill deal more dmg

Not your shadows

[flint turret]

Set will give up 3 shadows from shift, 1-2 from evade, the rest from umbral recall and smoke

[sage canyon]

is it confirmed?

[flint turret]

Dam rip

Oh well, can do the same thing with rend hidden strength

Whatever

And lm

[sage canyon]

shadows inherit all your multipliers on direct attack

[pine hatch]

That's what I think from the description

[sage canyon]

i dont see anything in wording saying its excluded from shadows

[pine hatch]

And I think that's how it works so I'm not 100% sure

[flint turret]

I guess we can try it now

With a naked character

100% inc should be noticable

Tbh the biggest revelation to me so far was about sync bonus to shadow damage staking

I had no idea

But that explains why the damage ramps up nicely

I thought it was because of a weird interaction with shadows amount, because when you spam sync you actually trigger cascade when there is a double set of shadows on a field simultaneously and I thought maybe shadow amount in cascade node works for both shadow sets

And I don't really understand why it's 200% stacking, looks way to powerful for 5 points

On most skills it's usually around 30-40 inc per point or around 15-20 multi per point, and not staking, for generic points

[silk coral]

Based on the previews all shadows now have a white outline? or only for shadow rend, VFX speaking

[sage canyon]

@flint turret @pine hatch tested didnt work F

[pine hatch]

😆

[flint turret]

Okay, that's sad, but we still have lm and rend, even tho I have no idea how rend will behave

[sage canyon]

sahdow vs self

[flint turret]

Better try it with shadows vs shadows but having flow or not

Just to be sure it's not something different

If it doesn't work it's basically an lm exclusive passive kekw

And umbrals recall

[sage canyon]

wdym i just tested its same dmg on shadows

with or wiuthiut

[flint turret]

Ah okay, I misunderstood I guess

[sage canyon]

perma 10 stacks of rythn tho

will be so easy now

kekw

[flint turret]

Dunno, it's still 2s duration tho

It getting to 10 will be easier for sure

[sage canyon]

as long as we dont have fixed distance jump its all g

that was the main issue

[flint turret]

It wasn't fixed you could stay at one spot if you aim directly under yourself

I used it on uber

So I'm not even sure what's this change is about

[sage canyon]

well the change is that u gonna move where mouse is UP to the maximum distance

so u can juke easier

as i understood

plus all the speed/cd bufs

i wish they do the same for shift i didnt check changes on that

[flint turret]

I would rather use rend traversal now tbh, it looks much better than shift because of almost double range and dealing damage itself. I planned rend cascade with jungle experimental traversal to hop echoes, should be pretty good

With doppel set

[sage canyon]

no mana tech tho

[flint turret]

With 16-20 manacost you don't need manatech

It's not sync

[sage canyon]

oh i tot u meant using it on sync cascade

MONKA

[flint turret]

I think rend cascade with doppel can clear monos just by spamming trav rend and gushing potions

3 shadows every rend cast, plus the ones from smoke somewhere, and you resummon 60% if them because you are more than 10m from them when they teigger

Echo clear should be way faster than the regular sync shift

I'm even considering guile to just jump with rend through the echo chains

[flint turret]

okay, the new overambitious rend multishot https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owL2zReN

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,819, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 153.52, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 101 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 62% / 71% / 87% / 71% / 102% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,067
▸ Dodge Chance: 59% (2529)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,053)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Heartseeker

[flint turret]

if i somehow manage to land slams for shurikens i can also transition into HS drelkors with maxed out burning daggers to make a throw bow build out of this

or into ignite hs with embers, shuri will add to it nicely

[flint turret]

also tons of stun chance overall, from multishot, helm, blessing, shock

[eager mason]

hmm

[candid ledge]

😊

[flint turret]

wait so it will always have 2 conversions?

tahts terriblke omg

[eager mason]

yeah seems so

[flint turret]

where are you seeng this btw

[eager mason]

dammitt linked it in dev channel

[flint turret]

well

[eager mason]

for ll you can go apathy for free

[flint turret]

i guess we can take those without any drawbacks :
Intelligence converts to Madness:
1% Spell Critical Multiplier per point.
1% increased bonus damage taken from critical strikes per point.
Attunement converts to Apathy:
2% increased Mana Regeneration per point
0.2% of Current Health lost when you directly use a skill per point.

[eager mason]

and madness for life since we get 100% crit avoid easy

[flint turret]

guile is okay too if doppel

[eager mason]

oh didnt see that one

[sage canyon]

WHAT

[eager mason]

lol champ affixes

[sage canyon]

Why is it lpl 0

[eager mason]

read below

it drops corrupted with affixes

[sage canyon]

Fixed pool hmm

So mega gamba

Lol

[eager mason]

yeah you get 2 affix conversions and 1 random affix if you are lucky

1 in 10 to get the ones you want

and 1 in 2 for all skills

not that bad

[flint turret]

oh wow nice

[sage canyon]

a lot of builds want the opposite like stats that you dont care about for example on abom i would take dex/att/vit conversion just for +20 str

[flint turret]

wait a minute

so we can have 10 shadows?

if both are +1

[eager mason]

idk if it means the whole pool

or just this

probably the latter

[polar saffron]

hands of the high templar ring... GAMBA

[flint turret]

attrs range is 10-20 tho so it can lowball you even with +2 skills and the 2 cpnversions you needed sadge

[crimson latch]

Dude there is so many builds I want to try lololol

[crimson latch]

In your multshot build what is the purpose of shuriken?

[flint turret]

there are no skills to add to it instead, im not a fan of dark quiver. and shuriken will add quite a bit of damage if they inherit the nodes from its tree. We will have quiate a lot of flat throw damage from mourningfrost and dragonfang. Can also swap gloves to lirakas in case the slam lands. This can even lead to full transition into throwing damage affixes for shuriken because multishot or HS should trigger it a LOT

also they can do phys shred and shock which is also nice

im still not sure if they will use the shurken tree nodes at all. Wording strongly suggests they should, but i havent got a confirmation from devs yet

if they dont thats mostly useless yeah

and i guess its either decoy or dark quiver then

which i would like to avoid tbh

there is also an option to get shadow daggers on rend and triger traps via melee attach, but thats too points heavy on rend itself, dunno if worth

[cobalt mantle]

All specializable skills always use your skill tree nowadays

[flint turret]

recent tabi example puts some doubts in my mind

[river lily]

so for bladestorm for boss dps whats the rotation looking like? manually casting shurikens?

[cobalt mantle]

What's weird about tabi?

[flint turret]

alternate shadow is basically a diffetent skill

which doesnt use almost anything from its tree

tbh i just wanna land shuriken corruption on drelkor and make a hs build fully scaling thrwing damage with maxed burning daggers, lirakas, flat throw damage on gear, etc. Or same idea for ignite

[amber hound]

I'm considering the slagstorm node where you'd drop your bladestorms and spam umbral blades into them. I think the umbral blades would still do hit damage while also ramp bladestorm... but I'm only like 60% convinced of that.

[cobalt mantle]

Looks like it uses the skill tree as normal for a skill proc, though

[river lily]

so people are saying the shadow dagger node in bladestorm isn’t as good but if you take shotgun node then aren’t you effectively doubling the rate at which shadow daggers can proc?

[cobalt mantle]

the skill has quite a few nodes that require direct uses, but at least it's a modern one that seems to clearly state which nodes apply to direct-only

[flint turret]

i think its pretty decent, especially considering it lost the dagger requirment so you can do it with 2h basically

for lulz you can even do it with event horizon for 150% more damage

[sand dome]

do we know if drelkor's - mana cost works for multishot casted through shadows?

[flint turret]

wdym, triggering multishot doesnr use its manacost or am i missing something

[sand dome]

shadow rend multishot consumes 5 mana per shadow cast

[flint turret]

yeah it consumes mana, its not manacost

it will affect this tho, but its pretty bad

[sand dome]

oh ok, yeah seems like it'll be hard to make a 1 button build then

[flint turret]

i think its fine

[sand dome]

https://tenor.com/view/blmf25-gif-23957961

[flint turret]

5 mana is not that high

[sand dome]

its per tho, right? so could be like 50+ mana per cast

[flint turret]

dunno how you expect to get 10 shadows constantly

its not even possible afaik

[sand dome]

unending gives ~50% shadow resummon, doppel relic gives ~30, umbral blades dropping blades per shadow and shadow per blade gives 20

[wary cedar]

there is a max shadow limit

[sand dome]

i was counting the base rend cost in the 50

[flint turret]

iof you use umbrals with shift recall thats your mana generator right there

you can even go lowlife if you want to get even more mana on shift

[flint turret]

base rend cost can go down to 0 with mountain boots even

[sand dome]

fair enough :3 i wouldnt wanna lose tabis tho

[river lily]

for single target the shadow dagger proc rate feels fine considering its doubled inside smoke bomb too

[flint turret]

i think tabi suck tbh after they clarufied the mechancs

[sand dome]

but if multishot is the focus i guess tabis arent doing much

what did they clarify? does the extra shadow suck?

[flint turret]

i think they dont do much in any setup tbh

alternate shadow wont even get more damage from hidden strenght

and all those elemental arrows, dark quiver, coated blades, flow, nothing

[sand dome]

oh wow. it'd still be good for ward on shadow & dusk shroud on shadow, at least

[flint turret]

maybe not even

because the shadow is consumed automaticly without leaving an ACTUAL shadow

so its probably not even working with ward on shadow creation

[sand dome]

oh wow, so it might not count as an actual shadow

[flint turret]

or doppel

[sand dome]

gosh, that would suck :(

[flint turret]

yeah chances are pretty high its not

because devs said its a different indirect skill basically

im not 100% sure of my interpretation tho

[sand dome]

i really hope it somehow works with even SOME mechanics

cuz its such a cool idea for a unique

[flint turret]

it will work with all melee\bow triggers

[crimson latch]

dude the planner on maxroll is so buggy

[flint turret]

if you use tabi with a bow, your melee part of rend will trigger melee leech, perfection, and other melee stuff and vice versa

thats the only upside so far i guess

[flint turret]

i dont like it either, its better than letools just for idols, the rest is worse imo

[crimson latch]

shadow rend is considered as a bow attack ?

[flint turret]

if you use it with bowor with tabi yeah

[crimson latch]

nicesu

thanks

[sterile moat]

Hello people is melee detonating arrow build is still a thing?

I enjoyed it a lot back then but not sure if it will work now

[flint turret]

not really. It can somewhat work but its not great

[sterile moat]

🙁

thanks for quick reply

[quiet torrent]

is there some new multishot set coming? i think i heard someone mention it in some random video in yt

[flint turret]

Everything that's coming is already in patch notes and outside in planning tools

Doppel set can be used with rend multishot tho, so that might be it

[snow ember]

It got nerfed pretty hard. The lightning tendrils can't hit the primary target, so single target bossing damage fell quite a bit

Unnecessary nerf tbh, it was never particularly popular or anywhere near as good as the entirety of falconer or vk

[cinder harness]

Yeah that nerf is insane actually since erase vk is still a thing 3 seasons in a row now kekw

[sand dome]

looking at this, what do you think of a bleed alternative? it would seem like if you're maxing multi arrow count and shuriken proc rate, you could get some crazy bleeds

[flint turret]

Yeah but if Id to go dot I'd prefer to convert to ignite and swap to embers primo

And hs probably

Or maybe not, I mean I can theorize all I want but at the end of the day I won't slam shuri on bow anyway

It's not the thing that you plan for tbh, it's a side quest

If I manage to slam it on bow I'll try all variations for sure

But the chances are looking grim

So that skill slot will most likely be dark quiver forever

Tbh I'm really not a fan that they made a build defying thing a random corruption with less than 1 in 100 chances

At least give us a set bow to shrink the corruption pool

[river lily]

I’m surprised I haven’t seen more cooking on the bladestorm shadow rend+shadow cascade with shadow daggers yet.

seems strong on paper

[snow ember]

New stuff is always strong, bladestorm was strong previously and will no doubt be even better. Not much to cook, faceroll skill points and win game

[round topaz]

In the Emerald Cutlass Note it says "If you have the Explosive Blades, the explosion hit poisons enemies, but deals 80% less damage and it no longer deals any fire damage"
But in the Tooltip of Explosive Blades, there is no mention of any fire damage at all? Im confused now

[flint turret]

Shadow daggers don't look good on paper and never did compared to any actual decently geared build. Their only appeal is easy early scaling tbh

[river lily]

the idea is basically since the bladestorms can now shotgun and when shadow cascade pops it trggers them to all hit, you can create shadows with smoke bomb and use shadow rend to basically pop a bunch of shadow cascade and should trigger shadow dagger crit pretty easily

has to be good early

and then maybe swap to blade detonations later or something

[flint turret]

I get what you mean but shadow daggers just don't have that type of scaling into the endgame like any other skill does. They peak early and stop scaling half-way

[river lily]

the appeal would be easy to start since you can play it early emp mono basically with any gear and then swap to maybe blade detonation

just scaling crit multi could be enough to kill the new pinnacle

[flint turret]

Yeah like this it can be decent, but the lack of "cooking" is explained by the short life of it

Lots of people who actually cook are hitting empowered monos day 1 anyway

[river lily]

you could probably hit emp mono day one with it anything that can be geared easily can

[crimson latch]

i just made a giga fire hs melting machine

[flint turret]

Ill try leveling with rend and maybe I'll end up with sd and bladestorm sd, but I'm not a fast paced player and most of the people I know who cook prefer not to invent a bicycle for their first day

Bladestorm shurikens already look better than sd tbh

You just get peak and flat crit nodes in tree and you are capped

Even if you are not capped it's also good because then you keep the throw leech from smoke

[river lily]

yeah but historically shadow daggers for leveling has been insane because you can pretty use any gear. then once you hit a wall or get better gear you swap thats what a lot of speed runners used to do with bladedancer

[flint turret]

Yeah the old sync into explosive umbral throw is also there still

Or aa with it

[wary cedar]

is Net a thing?

never saw that

[pulsar solar]

LF for advice to improve my build. Thanks for any help

Maybe I change the belt to shattered chains

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Baky6ljy

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (75) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 2,880, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 197.38, Regen: 24.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 9/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 65 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 61% / 60% / 69% / 45% / 39% / 19% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 1,008
▸ Dodge Chance: 50% (1889)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,120)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 34%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Shift / Umbral Blades / Lethal Mirage / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike

[wary cedar]

why do you have so few uniques?

man i just clicked on the skills, it's a 1.3 build lmao, got confused for a moment xd

i m no expert but the build kinda looks like:

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[pulsar solar]

🙁

[pulsar solar]

Idk what could be replaced with uniques

[brittle blaze]

I am so torn do I send rogue or spellblade

[flint turret]

are you set on sticking to shadow daggers?

because LM is getting 50% more damage effectivness and we are getting flow for 100% more damage on combo cast

[brittle blaze]

are any of you looking to turn this into traversal skill? Would we be able to rotate both shift and shadowrend then?

[flint turret]

i think its gonna be pretty good, but without shift

[raw magnet]

Wait they do? This is what I wanted to run 🤯

[flint turret]

you use cascade trigger+doppel set+traversal expetimtntal on belt

[brittle blaze]

has anyone used flasks as just a skill and not having the traps and falcon send acid flask? Like I am trying to figure out if there is a way to make the shadows work with flask on its own while just dashing around

[pulsar solar]

No, I’m not set to stick with shadow daggers

[slow sierra]

I think I am playing Physical BS/Shurikens with the extra mana efficiency idols on Syn Strike the mana drain from BS should be manageable. Ill probably start with a LL set up and transition to health + Velocyn since I think the health version has a higher top end damage but requires more specific slams and rolls on gear to shore up defenses. The extra 20% more from Jormun's and extra casts from the Bladestorms I think firmly put this in S tier. Still going to have to play around with Deadly Aim vs Chakram vs Blade Shield to see what feels best. Any improvement suggestions welcome. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgROzmNx // https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYE9WvwD

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (61) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,766, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 239.04, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 49 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 59% / 59% / 66% / 61% / 66% / 71%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 353
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2733)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,814)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 116%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shurikens / Synchronized Strike / Bladestorm / Smoke Bomb

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (55) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,326, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 243.28, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 54%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 64 Dex / 27 Int / 27 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 59% / 59% / 66% / 61% / 68% / 73%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 882
▸ Dodge Chance: 70% (3797)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,162)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 116%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Bladestorm / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Synchronized Strike

[slow sierra]

Shadow Dagger unfortunately do not have many more damage multipliers on them so they fall off hard late game early game they are great though

[flint turret]

i havent made a planner for new lm yet but i can recomment looking into:
-doppel set for easier shadow creation and more shadow
-flow passive for 100% more damage
-umbral blades which is a combo skill that will be able to also create shadows now and give mana back on sapping strikes and shift recall

If you combine those LM will be like 2-3 times stronger than curren one in 1.3

also dancing strikes might be a decent addition, they can replace coated blades but you will have to use dual fulgrites probably

[wide yacht]

thoughts on this, boys?

[pulsar solar]

Ahhh ty

[pulsar solar]

I’ll remember that!

[flint turret]

good stuff, but i would prefer a showcase instead walls of text on reddit tbh

[wide yacht]

gotta wait for that ig

[slow sierra]

Yeah most ailments inherit the more modifer from the use skill to apply but since shadow daggers is a unqiue ailment that procs after 4 stacks it does not inherit those mods (atleast from what I looked up on Q/A forums)

[wary cedar]

i dont even know what your main spell is in your build 😭

[pulsar solar]

Hahahahaha😂

[pulsar solar]

Sooo should I equip normal T7 rings?

[slow sierra]

you should probably be using the ring everyone uses (red ring)

[wary cedar]

at this point just sleep until Tuesday

[slow sierra]

You usually have to have a good reason not to run double red ring

ie you need X ring for build to function etc...

[wary cedar]

can't wait to farm lp1 red rings again

[slow sierra]

It is pretty much a cake walk to farm them in CoF

[wary cedar]

ya as i said, i can't wait for it

[slow sierra]

I feel like double T7 are going to be even more of a pain now that imprints are nerfed by 50%

[wary cedar]

have you played the new patch yet?

[flint turret]

id rater corrupt tons of 1lps ngl

[slow sierra]

Might be the better time invest play tbh

[flint turret]

its better gaming loop thats it

[slow sierra]

and 1lps drop like crazy

[flint turret]

first you have 1lp non corupted, then you get 1lp corrupted with something insignificant but its already better, and then you just gradually replace the corruption for the better one

[slow sierra]

Yeah hopefully corruptions runes will be plentiful

[flint turret]

rather than first missing double t7s multiple times and then bricking them with corruptions lol

[slow sierra]

I hope there is a prophecy for them and runes of havoc

[flint turret]

nop

[slow sierra]

booo

[flint turret]

also no buffs to cof corruption rune drops outside of a generic rune increase one

corruption runes also not a part of generic rune prophecy

so you just farm omens

[crimson latch]

trgffffffff}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}qwol+

that mas my cat

[wary cedar]

🤨

[crimson latch]

he thinks the keyboard is a bed

[flint turret]

ngl i had the same reaction after finding out cof has basically no extra way of farming corruption runes compared to mg

[wary cedar]

@flint turret have you ever considered casting smoke bomb via net? asking for the shadow rend traversal build

[flint turret]

not really... what are the upsides?

[wary cedar]

i had one spell slot remaining since i have shadow rend, sync strike, cascade, and smoke bomb skilled

i didnt want another spell i had to cast

so i just take some more debuffs from net and cast smoke with that

skilled it like this

[flint turret]

traps maybe?

[wary cedar]

never played net so idk if i want to dash forward with it, or just chose the dont move at all node

[flint turret]

melee attach for free shock\chill\shrouds

i dont really see benefits from having to cast net

dancing strikes is a decent addition too

you dance between rend cd

[wary cedar]

it's more about having no extra spell to cast manually and still get some benefits lol xd

[flint turret]

id prefer traps in this case

[wary cedar]

what node makes them autonome?

[flint turret]

trap on melee attack top left

[wary cedar]

oh thats neat

i might just try both and decide then

[flint turret]

umbral blades can do similar job for chill, but after they lost bladestorm nodes its way worse as a support now

[wary cedar]

in my fantasy i would only do sync strike between rend cd

but idk if this will work out

[flint turret]

yeah thats definetly more appealing

[wary cedar]

how do i use these without casting? xd

[flint turret]

they spawn on shadow expire

[wary cedar]

ya but do they do anything then?

dont i still need to recall them or something?

[flint turret]

they can explode and apply chill i guess

[wary cedar]

ah i see the node

[flint turret]

but without bladestorm node its not nearly as good now

[wary cedar]

so it's either net, traps, or umbral

[flint turret]

you can also go falconer and add falconry\dive

[wary cedar]

i really don't like the birb

[flint turret]

but they might not fix the birds not real

which makes dive not viable

[crimson latch]

idk guys im so excited for this season

there is so many thigns to try

[wary cedar]

lol

i never bothered figuring out math in this game since at the end i would still don't know if it's real or a bug

[flint turret]

its not about math, its about 1 node making ajustment nodes not working at all

[crimson latch]

this works on boses?

[flint turret]

birds not real currently prevent subsequesnt shadow dives and subsequesnt dives in smoke bomb

you just have 1 dive and thats it

[wary cedar]

maybe it's intended 💀

[flint turret]

its not because they broke it mid season

afaik

[wary cedar]

maybe it breaks back one day lol

[flint turret]

all culling works on every enemy afaik

[wary cedar]

this one weapon with a 20% treshhold also works against bosses

[flint turret]

okay confirmed

all thats left is to win 1\1000 gamba twice kekw

[wary cedar]

what builkd we talking about there?

[crimson latch]

mmm maxroll updating tierlists

only zhp ballista at tier "S"

[wary cedar]

how do they know tho

[quartz gust]

It doesn't cover all builds or all possibilities

Also I just checked, there is more than just ballista so not sure what tier list they checked

[wary cedar]

for rogues*

ig

[quartz gust]

Ah, for rogue specifically

In any case it isn't a definitive list

They are limited to speculation and builds they have guides for and are updated

[crimson latch]

thats what i thought

[wary cedar]

S Tier build is always the build i am playing and having fun with 🤓

[crimson latch]

because my multishot build gonna hit TIER SS GODLY

[quartz gust]

I haven't personally seen a build push as high as ballista has

Not even close

[quartz gust]

But that is mostly pointless anyway

Plenty of builds will be S tier for what matters

[cyan wren]

Ballista 50k, VK 100k (snapshot abuse idk if its still there this ss)

[slow sierra]

Mana Stack Flay is going to be S - Tier it was not even touched and still has great survivability and damage

[quartz gust]

For sure

But apparently they were talking about rogue specifically

But of course there will be lots of S tier builds we already know about and I am sure a few new ones might pop up too

[slow sierra]

I think Shuriken will be S - Tier

[quartz gust]

And a lot of builds are great that aren't even on Maxroll

Use Maxroll as a guide, not law

[slow sierra]

Maxroll said mana stack flay would not even work didnt even have it on a tier list for like the first 2 weeks even though it was probably the best breakout build of the patch

[quartz gust]

It's almost as if the people behind it are human with the same flaws

[slow sierra]

true

[wary cedar]

humans?!

we dont want that

[tawny wyvern]

yeah we dont value mana flay alot overall. It is a great bosser (s tier on that tier list) but overall way inferior to the stuff on S. Super gear dependant and clunky.

Btw we never said it would not work. my take pre patch, just worried about clunk.
https://youtu.be/D0o3icnnHl8?si=8BFsKPoWhTuLyyRG&t=609

[tawny wyvern]

build explained before even patchnotes based on a teaser.
https://youtu.be/cre8uAzdJ0c?si=Dz4PNYSD_KeiOTcp&t=2736

please dont lie xd

[north ice]

is their a limit for oil coating stacks?

[cobalt mantle]

It's just limited by your attack speed (unless you spec the node that caps your stacks)

[topaz robin]

You count as moving during dancing strikes yeah?

[round topaz]

I believe so, yes

[visual warren]

why sync strike?

[visual warren]

how do you sustain hp on the life version without leech

[fading burrow]

imagine trusting maxroll list

they even put acid flask in mid tier 2 and not even listed explosive ballista tho 😂

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/8sfrJ9upS-s

[visual warren]

if you instead of sealing the jormun set on the sword you seal like t2 crit multy and make the jormun mod t5, you are gaining 20% crit multy

[polar saffron]

im still super convinced that bleed is better than shadow dagger hit based for bladestorm

(technically bleed/poison but primarily scaling bleed)

[south mortar]

I may be slow to the party, but does the shuriken orbit orbit the bladestorm itself if its set up that way? Because that is hilarious. It's going to be a bleed Roomba

[polar saffron]

that would be funny but i dont think so?

if thats the case i might take that node

ive built to proj stack though

+6 proj on tree, +2 from the gloves

so im thinking each cast from the bladestorms will throw 11 shurikens

combine with double bladestorm and boss damage should be more than good enough

[slow sierra]

Cloaked Reaper passive gives hp based on number of shrouds, and we should have 20+ shrouds giving 60-90 hp per hit(we can also move some points around and max that node if we feel like we need more healing). and Sync Stike is for generating shadows. You Sync get shadows and then do shurikens so all shadows cast and you get like 25 hits of shurikens for single target

[slow sierra]

Might be better but I am just not sure how many bleed stacks I would be maintaining. I just would rather have the guaranteed 44% rather than the maybe 60%. The 44% is for sure going to be better for mapping and the difference is so small on single target as we are sitting at 700+ crit multi the extra 16% is a rather small difference.

[slow sierra]

You literally talked Raxx out of playing the mana flay spec had him EQ Bear at start (which he admittedly regrets because it was so slow). Before the patch you never even had a mana stack build posted on maxroll until roughly a week after the release. You even talk about it having mana issues this podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy9zdXsFrIc and that is why you moved off it but it never really had mana issues because of the interaction with Devour the Damned node refund the 2 mana making it mostly free and playable even with low gear. The only Flay lich build that was posted for the first few days was the harvest flay lich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0o3icnnHl8 You can see mana flay is no where on the tier list and say say "Mana will feel like absolute dog shit" you guys were just all wrong about the build and how it would operate.

[rugged pollen]

:caught moment

[rugged pollen]

i just clicked the link and Flay is right on top of A tier no?

[slow sierra]

The flay was not even mana flay at that point it was harvest flay

in the video he even goes into the build and it has no points in the chaos bolts proc

[rugged pollen]

oh there are different flay build i see

i wont watch the video

just curious becuase you said flay nowhere on the list but i look at the thumbnail and flay was right in my face xD

i see now

[steady cypress]

Was it on A tier on season 3?

I always check bossing tier and it is S

Right now it should still be S

Since it will be the strongest build this season, given how bear and abom is nerfed

[slow sierra]

I think they recently moved it down to A tier currently.

[steady cypress]

Hmm this is a bit weird

[rugged pollen]

no idea dont ask me 😂 , i was just curious

[steady cypress]

It did not receive any nerf

[slow sierra]

No nerf

[steady cypress]

And in fact it has even more mana affixes

[slow sierra]

I think it will be one of the best for bossing and clearing still

might be the best build if no others pop up.

[steady cypress]

That think killed uber in 36 secs in glass canon mode

So bossing still should be S tier

Now not only it is not nerfed but it has even more corrupted mana affixes

[rugged pollen]

aslo when u guys mentioned abom build last season being super strong, was it becuase of snapshotting?

[steady cypress]

No

Abom does not need snapshot

Just stack endurance and str

[rugged pollen]

oh so minion snapshot was fixed right?

[steady cypress]

And it kills uber in 50 secs or even less

Idk, I just know that abom does not need snapshot

Btw ballista (both ordinary and explosion) survived?

[slow sierra]

I am surprise Anuroks are still up there with the 33% reduced damage nerf bat.

[steady cypress]

That's not bossing tier

You can farm corruption easily even with frog nerfed to 50%

[slow sierra]

I guess thats true

they just nuke everything around you and it is a walking simulator

[steady cypress]

What I care is bossing tier

Uberroth

Hmm I have not checked rogue so what happened with fire flask?

[rugged pollen]

you can say it's dead

😁

for real this time

no sarcasm

tho i think direct flask can do fine

@zenith bridge iirc you've tinkered with direct flask before right

[steady cypress]

What changed?

[steady cypress]

:)))

Ok the build is definitely dead

[rugged pollen]

i think

if 2 nodes

toxic salvo and cluster bomb

from flask tree

work as i wanted them to

you can actually play direct flask

yo @eager mason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6zFVXQEG4w

what was the song u used for this

that's a banger

[eager mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5q4uYj-gyg

[rugged pollen]

right up my alley dude

[steady cypress]

Hmm previously it worked because explosive trap makes acid flasks cost less mana right?

[rugged pollen]

tysm

[rugged pollen]

nope

opposite

it worked becuase instead of throwing 1 flask at a time

you throw 5 traps instead

each trap comes with 1 flask for free

[steady cypress]

Ah so a lot of damage and free flask

[slow sierra]

now each trap comes with 1/10th of a flask

[steady cypress]

Ok so direct flask will deal 5 times less damage

[rugged pollen]

IF cluster bomb inherits flask''s tree

[slow sierra]

In the video he was throwing 5 traps and each of the 5 traps was throwing 1 flask

[rugged pollen]

AND each traps from toxic salvo also produce their own cluster

you can do the same damage with direct traps

but without the manacost

[marble zealot]

https://streamable.com/yl9xi1 its decent, but even against big targets the damage is less than half of traps, while being mechanically way worse. and against small targets(orobyss f.e) the damage is trash, idk if aoe scaling would help

[rugged pollen]

so the 2 nodes work as i just described right

but the aoe of cluster is too small

they jsut dont overlap?

[marble zealot]

yeah on smaller targets they dont

[rugged pollen]

hmm uo're killing 7k boss pretty fast

i think that's quite good no?

[marble zealot]

yeah its definitely decent damage on bigger targets

[rugged pollen]

the auto aim of traps is def huge tho

[marble zealot]

yeah echoes felt wayyyy worse on this

[rugged pollen]

so instead of 5 flasks

[marble zealot]

you get 1 flask + as many small explosions as boss size allows

[rugged pollen]

you''re throwing 1 flask + 9 clusters

each cluster does like 40% damage compared to a flask

so 4.6 flasks at best

but you can sustain the mana cost wayyy better

does this sound even better than trap flask on uber?

since uber is mega fat

[marble zealot]

i phase him 50% slower on this than traps

[rugged pollen]

hmm

what do think makes the difference?

if i calculate correctly the DPS is roughle the same no?

the damage of traps themselves are negligible right?

ohhh i think i know why

this node

likely to only affect the main trap

[marble zealot]

also i was missing fire shred since i forgot i got it from traps

[rugged pollen]

the shred shouldnt make that much of a difference

i think the node above is the culprit

especially if you need it to crit cap

yup

i see a deent amount of non crit hit from your video

or do i

it could be from bird

[marble zealot]

nah its the clusters not critting

so yeah youre prob right about that node

[rugged pollen]

yup

this is getting pretty interesting

and with bladestorm

this is only getting better

[marble zealot]

nvm i was wrong

looked like it but its just ignite, 100% crit even without the node at all

[fading burrow]

it will still there because of new amulet gives like 20 aa

also, some good corruption will cover the nerf, even better

[rugged pollen]

hmm

shouldnt take too much time to test it out

i'll test when i got to my pc

[slow sierra]

I can see good corruptions making it better but I do not think the 20 attribute amulet will make much of a difference. We were already using +6 evolution's end so differential of +14 not really enough to make up for 33% global dmg nerf.

[tawny wyvern]

Mana feels like dog, many times mapping you will go negative if rares are not there etc

[tawny wyvern]

Xdddd NO

[desert bridge]

Evolutions End is dead, they removed the +2 skills from it

[tawny wyvern]

Imo its a cheese gimmicky build for sc uber, just my opinion

Harvest is zdps in comparison, but id play it over it every time for mapping or league launch

Tldr: everyone knew the build, we think its clunck and overrated, mapping has mana issues whitout rares

[fading burrow]

there is omen idol as well so it will still fine imo, or probally less dps but surely not dead

[slow sierra]

If you build it correctly it is super tanky and has alot of damage and moves fast through maps. I season started it last league and had no mana problems I even swapped over early at lvl 60 before you could equip Executioner's Tithe at 70 and the 60-70 stretch was the most sketchy on mana issues but never was really a problem. Once you equip tithe there were no mana issues

[fading burrow]

btw there is actual mana problem with Tithe?

[tawny wyvern]

I dont doubt yout experience, but i also havnt seen you play. Im a racer so my criteria might differe of yours

Keep in mind i always leage start broken as shit

On hc etc

[slow sierra]

I was 3rd lvl 100 SC lich last season. I was close to number 1 but I have a family and 2 children and a job.

[tawny wyvern]

Compared to the stuff in s, its worst

Lich is sadly weak

We moving most builds to lock now that hype of lich is gone

Looks like i was right behind you on ladder with harvest, just checked xd

Died on hc sad

[slow sierra]

I guess I disagree I think it is a fast mapper with teleporting, has good defenses, and crazy damage for bosses. I was surviving through uberoth slams.

[tawny wyvern]

I have not played a build that cant do that

Its all about perspective

[slow sierra]

the big slam at the start of the fight.

[tawny wyvern]

I know

[slow sierra]

not the tripple slam

[tawny wyvern]

With brewer belt, most hp stacker can do it

Lich can only do it with seal

[slow sierra]

I just have played most of the builds on the tier list and it stands out as one of the best builds across the board

[tawny wyvern]

At the end of the day, that is subjective and you are completly entitled with your opinion

I just never said it would not work

Just was worried about clunck

That i believe exists

I have a family too and this kinda pays bills

Xdd

No children yet but wife counts as 3 people mony wise loool

[cloud pendant]

Spec some efficiency nodes

Worth the investment

[sage canyon]

brooo :notlikethis: wait at least till end of the week holy..

[sage canyon]

abom actually buffed imo but ok

u literally have dual strike and stomp with 1 sec cd instead of 4

and those abilities were over 80% of total dps

[sage canyon]

no u can still snapshot infernal shade and double snapshot dreadshade

[rugged pollen]

💀

[sage canyon]

opop

free dps

😏

[fading burrow]

gotta post 40kc ballista screenshot here to make it SSSSS build

[sage canyon]

im actually curious what will be the deeps on new abom with all cdr looking crazy

[potent rune]

Mana flay lich on A tier is a matter of opinion the idols wont be doing much but because it didn't get nerfed it will again be an s tier since you can mana stack now to oblivion,maybe thats why ehg didn't fix the bug or at least never saw corrupted form in the patchnotes maybe they dont care rofl.

[steady cypress]

So in terms of dmg it is still S tier?

[potent rune]

It was s tier before right?

It will still be more chaos bolts more spell damage ,like this build had probably second or third best mapping of the season and bossing was a solid like third , while also being super tanky with unspec skill , I can map on par with warpath on troves and I survive stuff others don't

[slow sierra]

In terms of damage if you go full glass canon you can kill uberoth in 30 secs. If you gear with defenses you can be tanky and have sub 2 minute kill.

[potent rune]

Idk what the maxroll folks say about that but I played that build a lot more than them

[slow sierra]

It is also good for mapping as you teleport with flay and the AoE is pretty decent.

[fading burrow]

maybe not calling "glass-cannon" when the build just changing 2x rings to Julra lol

[potent rune]

Hha true

[flint turret]

I thought I wandered into #💀┃acolyte for a second because everything is about flay lich for quite a while

And abomination

[flint turret]

I just realized how much easier it will be to get the desired corruption on a set item for cof compared to regular items. I want crit per dex corruption on doppel relic, we have prophecy for set relics, and there are only 3 relics that can drop with doppel having 1/3, and it will drop the whole set with cof bonus. And there are only 15 affixes from corruption that it can get, and even t1 for crit per dex will work

Same logic for this ring for example l, which can also get the same crit per dex affix with a pool of only 15 outcomes

[wide yacht]

COF propaganda

[flint turret]

Would be sick on umbrals or cold hs

[wide yacht]

you're not gonna convince me, you sly fox

i love me buying traitor tongue within 2 first hours instead of farming 100 prophecies

[flint turret]

True

[wide yacht]

real story btw, i started my first season on COF and im never doing that again