🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

which is giga huge

[cobalt mantle]

Seems to me like it would make very simple shift or LM builds

maybe meme builds, but that's what I live for lol

[eager mason]

I mean looks like they made it for LM

[flint turret]

the set bonus for lm is definetly interesting but othervise the set is terrible for lm

it doesnt use neither shadow damage nor shadow crit

[desert bridge]

Shift + Sync Strike + Shadow Cascade feels like a good use of the set

[eager mason]

shadow gen for hoa is nice right?

but I guess you might get that from rend

[flint turret]

yeah for hoa too

but it also doesnt use neither crit nor damage

and the build that uses them (cascade) doesnt really need the set bonus

because you just wanna spam sync

weird set overall

[eager mason]

cascade also needs the t7 affix

[flint turret]

maybe shadow diving falconer can use it well dunno

if they fix birds not real at all even

so far my main plan is to go rend on falconer for hunter mark and mana sustain

backup plan is bladestorm shuri\chakram then ignite hs

bladestorm shuri\chakram with throwing hs is also interesting

[eager mason]

a lot of people probably going the bladestorm shuriken stuff so I will just let others figure it out

[flint turret]

yeah thats what i thought too

this will def be the mainstream build

[eager mason]

not enough variety in rogue build making anyways we are gonna end up with same gear

[flint turret]

and can be done on all 3 masteries

[cobalt mantle]

Okay, so ironically, shift's "when shadow consumed" effect specifically only works when your shadow repeats one of your skills and NOT for any "consume" effects nor shadow timeout/replace

[flint turret]

if consume = repeats its fine

[cobalt mantle]

UB's "when shadow expires" effect works any time a show goes away for any reason

[cobalt mantle]

Due to shadow consuming effects not triggering shift's effect that is supposed to trigger when the shadow is consumed, I can't say for certain that it will be consistent, but if it is, then yeah that's what it means

[eager mason]

yeah sad

Im missing some cdr too

its probably a design choice

[rugged pollen]

upside

you can use this to purposely going into lowlife on a non-ll setup

do it every 5 seconds to take advantage of death's door

[pearl forge]

think the set bonus is quite good for LM +1 shadow and also you can get 3 shadows extra on shift+evade for the fast combo

you can ignore flow 5 and just do flow 4

of sync eva shift LM

getting the mana effectivenes on sync and LM to be able to spam better and it will be quite good

[flint turret]

That's exactly what i meant, the set bonus is great but the stats on pieces are useless for the most part, because lm is not a shadow skill

[pearl forge]

i didnt have time to see if it is better to have T8 LM on chest or +2 shadow gloves

ah yea you will just use shards

will be a bit of a pita to craft but at least the mods on those pieces are already decent to have as exalteds

helmet and relic were already weak legendary slots

think no rogue spec is using the set natty

[flint turret]

Without an access to a Uber relic yeah I totally agree

[pearl forge]

kinda weird yea

maybe you could use the helmet to stack dusks and lose a bit of dmg from losing +4 sync

and dex oh well

cant really say until i really try it but i think it is shard x3 gaming for me at least

[flint turret]

Using non legendary body is okay too, the rogue bases have pretty good stats. It's just crafting set exalteds is such a pain

[pearl forge]

yea

[flint turret]

Compared to just slamming 1lp on null and corrupting it

Or whatever other body

Having corruption added makes high lp lvl items even better and exalteds much worse just because the disparity in crafting difficulty

I'm pretty sure we could make like 10+ different bis corruptions on 1lp body or have a 1 semi-decent exalted set piece which we will fear to corrupt

In the same amount of time I mean

Maybe corrupting set pieces without making it into exalteds is the easier answer

[flint bough]

hi guys 🙂

im so hyped for bladedancer season 4! 😄

[wary cedar]

it's still 12 days away

idk if i can make it

[flint bough]

just play LE S3 until S4 🙂

im trying to get gear for my build 🙂

[wary cedar]

i m starting new

so farming wouldnt help me

[flint turret]

We eating good s4 for sure

Potentially the best season for rogue so far

[flint bough]

ye

right now im trying to get a 2lp velo jaw 🙂 https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/Blade_Mikey

[flint bough]

do you think its the class with the most updates?

[flint turret]

I haven't played other classes almost all tbh, except a bit of a mage, so can't tell really. I mean we are getting 3 new skills for a rogue, which is even more than when we got falconer(traps and net), plus an exclusive new set. That's a lot tbh

[wary cedar]

do we take payed time off then? x)

[flint bough]

ooooh 🙂

I've played 4 classes and I just had to come back to bladedancer

[lime folio]

3? which one is the 3rd, after shadow rend and blade storm?

[flint turret]

Umbrals because they will lose like half a tree

[lime folio]

right, more like a rework than a new skill

[flint turret]

Considering 99% of people played umbrals with either explosions or bladestorm, and both will be gone, for me it's safe to say it's basically a new skill

[lime folio]

the real question is
considering every new skill has been heavily bugged on release
how much of these skills will actually work as intended 🤣

[flint turret]

Dunno, but after we got hs, my expectations are quite high

If the new ones are at least half as good we are gucci

[lime folio]

we'll see, in the past few years
every new patch has been heavily bugged
and every time we're like, hopefully this time it will be better
so i cant say i have the biggest faith in new stuff working properly

[pearl forge]

tbh i hope the bladestorm one has cool talents that way i can go back to flow 5 and use it as support

there is also the other shadow one that seems interesting

[flint turret]

Haven't you seen spoilers already? It already looks kinda crazy

[flint bough]

I know the patch notes aren't out yet but is my shadow cascade bladedancer build still going to be really good for S4?

[pearl forge]

not really im too busy rn with PoE wow and uma

getting spread thinner than butter

cascade is likely getting big buffs

just not the low life vers

[flint turret]

With the new helm set affix, much better

[pearl forge]

for some reason they hate that one

[flint turret]

Even if we count out the corruptions

[pearl forge]

corruption on items and also on idols will be very crazy

the idols one keep me very interested

[flint turret]

Yeah the discord body will go brrrrrr

[lime folio]

is there still nowhere you can find all the spoilers at once?

[flint turret]

Dunno, if you find one let me know

[eager mason]

they were updating this https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/looking-ahead-in-last-epoch/80230

but looks like some stuff after the trailer are not here

[flint turret]

I think one adjustment will be to use the discord body and exalted set helm, the rest can be the same, but maybe some interesting umbral/bladestorm/rend tech will alter the skill selection too

[flint bough]

can you show me the discord body?

[flint turret]

In s4 it also gets 50% dodge baseline

And since we are getting idols layouts and idol corruptions, this will be pretty crazy together

Idol corruptions confirmed to work with it

[flint bough]

nice that will replace my null portent

[flint turret]

Have no idea what corrupted affixes we will get but there should be at least couple good ones right

[flint bough]

what should i switch out my velocyn jaw for?

thats my current primordial

since i will need a new weapon

[flint turret]

What was your other weapon? It's usually reen+tongue, not many used primo dagger for cascade afaik

For melee that is

Or was yours throwing? I might be misremembering then

[flint bough]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/Blade_Mikey

[flint turret]

No it was melee alright

[flint bough]

yes

[flint turret]

No reen tho....

Tbh if I wanted velocyn I'd rather go velocyn+reen over tongue

[flint bough]

ohhh

so this should be an easy fix

getting a reen

[flint turret]

And just get flat crit in cascade in case I need it

[flint bough]

and then using that body armour

[flint turret]

Reen is super good, 150% multi from buff and tons of flat damage on itself

[flint bough]

so with wings of discord my lowest dodge will be 50%?

[flint turret]

Also it allows to use weapons of choise passive

[flint bough]

oh yeah true that

sword + dagger

[flint turret]

No it's just getting 50% increased dodge added to it as an affix

[flint bough]

ohhh oaky

[flint turret]

Which is super good coupled with 10-15 free dusk shrouds from new helm affix

[flint bough]

yeah that helmet looks promising

[flint turret]

It's pretty crazy ngl

[flint bough]

there was no set item or good helmet for bladedancer other than peak of the mountain

[flint turret]

1 affix giving you up to 1k flat dodge and 80% gb

[flint bough]

dang

[flint turret]

Oh and they also removing CD from dancing strikes entirely

So that might be interesting as well

[flint bough]

oh wow

also

traitors tongue is not getting changed right

its still OP to this day

[flint turret]

So far no info on it

If I had to bet money I would say no changes

[flint bough]

oh okay

[flint turret]

At worst they will lower the lp lvl to 40-ish imo

[lime folio]

i can see a world where spamming corruption on that set is way better than trying to craft it on an exalted

at least until "deep" endgame

[flint turret]

Yep, agreed. Only super hardcore farmers will be able to do a decent corrupted exalted set piece

Which I'm definitely not

[flint bough]

im going to try to BIS

so im going for it

[lime folio]

even then
you start by corrupting the set
and you slowly work towards getting a great corrupt on an exalted

[flint turret]

Someone like t7 set affix + t7 sync + double hp + sealed shadow damage or something along the lines on a cdr base would be insane

And then you will have to gamble on corruption

Which is also insane

[flint bough]

so do you think next season will be more successful than this one?

will more people play and for longer?

[lime folio]

we have no clue of knowing that

[flint turret]

I'm leaning towards yes and yes

[lime folio]

ya, but it will be more a "cool if you can get it" item
it's like, we always say : theorycraft around 1LP
it'll be the same here : theorycraft around 1LP + corruption at most
or even, depending on LP level, aim for 0LP + corruption

[flint turret]

Because the ceiling of bis items is going through the roof with corruptions

And we are getting lots of new content with omens and a new uber

[lapis pumice]

didnt read much about corruption can you like corrupt before a slam ? or it's poe like, the last step forever

[flint turret]

I always build my planners with 1lp if it's an item over lp lvl 70, and always t7+t5+t5 in case of multiple lp

[lime folio]

except most people quit way before hitting bis items
75% people quit in the first month
and usually it's around the time they hit all their 1LP items, are somewhere in empowered mono, killed aberroth, for some uber aberroth
and then they either see the massive grind of upgrading to 2LP
or they realize the gameplay loop isnt that fun, and they achieved what they wanted to do with their build, and move on to something else

[flint turret]

So yeah for me it's perfect to have corruptions, I can just corrupt tons of 1lp stuff and make them better

[flint turret]

Last step

It's always unmodifiable after corruption

[lime folio]

we'll have to see how big the corruption pool is, and if they weighted the affixes
1%, 5% or 15% to hit is a massive difference

[flint turret]

Doesn't matter really, it's still free upgrades for 1lps

[flint bough]

can you list/buy corrupted items?

[lime folio]

if you want a random bonus, yes
if you want a specific bonus, no

[flint turret]

Specific one might be tricky yeah

Considering it's like 1/4 to get a corrupted affix and if we have a pool of 10 it's already 1/40

And it will be probably more than 10

[lime folio]

btw, with the increasing ways of getting maximum shadows
is the absolute maximum still 5?

[flint turret]

Maximum is already not 5, we had gloves +1

[lime folio]

oh it worked on that?

at some point

it was boosting towards that 5

but you couldnt get over that limit

[flint turret]

Wait it did?

I haven't used those but I was pretty sure it was possible to get 6

[lime folio]

well i remember bladedancer complaining they were losing the advantage of having a +1 shadow as a passive, because others were getting it as an affix and could reach the same maximum as them

but i'm no sure if something changed since then

hence my question

[flint turret]

Might have missed that, I'm not sure anymore too

[lime folio]

guess i'll ask mike

[agile skiff]

I just used it. Whats your issue?
Why are you interrigating me when I just asked how much clones do clones builds consume

[flint turret]

I remember complaining that bd +1 shadow is not that meaningful because mm and falconer can also get 5 from sync alone without any gloves

[flint bough]

im so glad its going to be the perfect time to play my favorite build 🙂

[flint turret]

But then they added +1 gloves and I thought bd can now have 6

[lime folio]

in doubts, ask the dev! here it is:
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[agile skiff]

primal hunt aug 2025 didnt do anything to change shroud generation from traps

[rugged pollen]

i admit i was a bit of a douche

can you make a video on that?

trap change was from 1.1

before that, things like 200+ stacks was possible, something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lJe5jqu3n8

after 1.1, this exact same thing would give me 25 stacks max

that's why im very curious when you said you could get 80+ stacks spamming traps while fighting uber, becuase afa i remember, uber was a thing since 1.2

[flint bough]

hi Flick 🙂

[rugged pollen]

yo

[flint bough]

are you going to be playing season 4? I know you didn't play much Season 3

[rugged pollen]

eh i did played s3 for like 1 week

right until the new poe2 season started

[wary cedar]

i think the new hit animations will make a huge impact lol

[lime folio]

@flint turret we know! no cap
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[flint turret]

Love how they ignored the set affix ll question

[desert bridge]

They also missed my "consuming" question. I'll ask it again later

[lime folio]

well, it's not the same kind of answers
one is an easy numerical game mechanic
the other is about item/build design, so i can Mike needing more time to give a proper answer

[cobalt mantle]

I did test with what we have now. Can't guarantee it'll be consistent, but based on what works for dodge's "on shadow consumed" effect, consumed means ONLY using a skill that your shadow repeats (actual "consume" effects do not proc it).

[desert bridge]

...that is incredibly counterintuitive.

But also better for my purposes

[cobalt mantle]

Yep, pretty terrible wording imo lol

[torpid trout]

that just sounds like a bug tbh; either the behavior is wrong or the wording is wrong 💀

[flint turret]

Quiz time:

[agile skiff]

I wish this game had testing and the devs didnt shove slop at us and force us to bugtest to play

[cobalt mantle]

That counts as a real shadow repeating your skill thing, so procs shift's on consume

[ripe patio]

i have no idea about the mechanics of heartseeker or how it works, does anyone have a decent heartseeker build?

[flint turret]

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of planners and of videos of it out there on YouTube / #🎥┃video-shoutout and in this channel

There are at least 5: fire hit with dragonsong, hit with row, hybrid bleed dot with acidfletch, ignite with drelkors and frostbite

[wraith nacelle]

Imo if your trying for highish cor (around 1k farming) id go for cold crit in the current patch

[distant loom]

Looks like next season this unique will proc Burning Dagger with no cooldown. A Heartseeker Dragonsong with 100% crit chip hits could be very strong, I think.

[rugged pollen]

no cooldown but you can only proc up to 2 times per second so 🤷🏽‍♂️

still shit

[distant loom]

it seems I missed some information, mb

[grand rose]

I've got a buddy who wants to start with a Bleed Sentinel (shield throw and javelin) and I was looking into ways to support his damage as a Bladedancer.

Smoke Cloud has Smoke Blades for throwing damage.

Lethal Mirage can give some bleed chance via Mirage Form.

Dancing Strikes has Fighting Arena for more damage and bleed damage.

Anything I've missed or any other ideas?

[flint turret]

im not familiar with sent builds but is is hit damage or bleed damage? might get phys shred, bleed pop on dive or punctrure, dodge on aerial assault, slows, blinds, frailty, chill, etc. But tbh i dont recommend going for full support because imo its not worth it in LE. Its not nearly close to the aurabot level of poe

[kind adder]

Anyone know if having an offhand counts as being "unarmed" as it relates to Falcon Fists?

Or do both hands have to be empty?

Always thought the animation of unarmed Cinder Strike was pretty cool, would be cool if that could actually work in a build

[desert bridge]

Both hands need to be empty

[grand rose]

I'm mostly looking for ways to get those buffs out for the two of us. I'm thinking I'll try to make the new Bladestorm work for bleed with Shuriken as well, then using the support skills to apply buffs to my friend.

Good calls though, basically what I was thinking as well

[kind adder]

Hmm someone told me an offhand still counts as being unarmed... maybe that's why my cinder strike was doing absolutely no damage lol

I had a catalyst with +ranks to minions to increase the level of falconry since that's how the gloves add damage

[flint turret]

Shield or catalyst shouldn't count as weapons afaik

You just need to have no weapon equipped

[kind adder]

Okay so it probably just sucks then lol

[flint turret]

Cinder strike is probably the worst rogue skill there is

Challenged by a decoy maybe

At least decoy is somewhat useful unspecced tho

[kind adder]

Sadge

Even a proc based build with BD and dragon song and the volatile flasks? I'm guessing that's probably just worse than the heartseeker version?

[robust cloud]

Decoy with kelthan blast can hit well over 100k, every 4 seconds or so, with decent (not great)gear.. so it is pretty fun.

[flint turret]

100k every 4s sounds pretty terrible ngl

[robust cloud]

well it is not a broken reflect build that is for sure.. or some other nerf material

but pretty fun to play around with

[cobalt mantle]

Offhand weapon does not count as unarmed; anything you need to allocate the dual wield node to equip in the offhand is a weapon. Shields, catalysts, and quivers are not weapons, so you can equip those and still be unarmed.

[kind adder]

Okay good to know. Not that it makes a difference lol, cinder strike damage sucks so bad

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, cinder strike is pretty much junk, in general

[desert bridge]

The tree probably needs a rework, I've always wanted to like it but have never found a way that works. I've always wanted to do a Jasper's Searing Pride build with it, but also never really found a viable way.

[cobalt mantle]

I really want to be able to do a real falcon punch build

that might require a node after the "only first strike" node that turns it into a channeled attack lol

[weary widget]

That's called Smelter's Wrath

[cobalt mantle]

Eh, nah

[crimson latch]

next friday we have patch notes?

im so excited for theorycraft

[native lake]

Friday yes

[desert bridge]

Okay, but consider:
Take the "Fire Eater" node that caps Oil Coating at 5, gives you 9 mana instead of every time you'd gain another stack
The "Overexertion" node gives +20 mana cost and the "Tireless" node is 60% efficiency
That means the cost of each attack is 12.5 or... 3.5 if you're overcapping Fire Eater

The Fire Eater cap means you don't really care about capping Oil Coating or Elusive since the max damage bonus you'd get from it is 125% increased.

🤔

As long as your attack speed isn't TOO insane, that could work.

[cobalt mantle]

Would be kinda funny to get it working, and nowadays we have legends entwined, never really had that tech before when trying to plan it. Quick planner has me at level 37 falconry, which is quite a bit of flat damage and area.

Cinder strike's first strike still has a pretty abysmal damage multi though

[flint turret]

I guess that's the best answer we are getting

If it even can be called like that

[desert bridge]

The only other thing that I could see helping would be the 2% fire pen per intelligence with staff in the falconer tree. Maybe do an int-stack version of it? Getting up to ~150 int would make that a pretty meaningful damage increase.

Or maybe a Dex + Int stack version of it, try and get as much attribute as possible, since you can get the 6% DoT per dex

[eager mason]

not like it is supposed to be a bd item and bd is the low life mastery

[flint turret]

at least we know that helm bricking LL is unintentional kekw

[eager mason]

I guess you can use it giga endgame

when you have like t7 health rolls on every gear

so it doesnt brick it

[flint turret]

dunnop why anyone would want to go LL into giga endgame, the only appeal of it that it its easy to start with

the better the gear the better life is

[lime folio]

And how much thought they had in creating the affixes and seeing how it goes with various builds 🤐

[eager mason]

I think it is better rn

[flint turret]

im like 1000% positeve its not

[eager mason]

looks like life will be better next patch tho

[flint turret]

it has neither dr nor sustain of life version, just a bit more mana sustain

[eager mason]

I can agree on the sustain

but it can do way more damage with decent tankiness

I guess depends on what skill we are talking about

[flint turret]

cascade

[eager mason]

ward on shadow is just 2 affixes and you dont need any other defensive affixes

[flint turret]

ward on shadow slots are super competetive bro

sync levels, mana eff for sync, shadow damage, cascade lvl, cascade dmg per shadow

[eager mason]

I mean you just go these

mana is solved with low life shift and 1 idol

my cascade lvls are also enough

[flint turret]

to miss out on +4 cascade? no way

[eager mason]

I mean what else do you need

I change it to this while mapping and thats about it

oops double sent it

you can get base crit and 30 multi with the extra 4 lvls

and if you were life you would go life on that slot anyways

you wouldnt go another damage affix

[flint turret]

at least this, and all extra can go to shadow flourish which is 35% phys per point

so at worst +4 cascade is 150% melee + 35%x4 phys

[eager mason]

do you need this on life I use it to generate ward for ll

[flint turret]

its great for clear

and now even more so for consuming for dusk

also 1 point in dagger throw is mandatory

[eager mason]

are you running throwing affixes

like the aoe one

[flint turret]

wdym

[eager mason]

just wdym by mandatory

is it for the tag I mean

[flint turret]

i mean that 1 point in dagger throw bacically doubles the shred and all other stacks

[eager mason]

ok now question

are you actually going double damage affixes on life

because I dont think you can drop the 40% life on life version

so you still choose just 1 damage affix

[flint turret]

yeah i think double damage is okay with null

[eager mason]

hmm

there is also the null part you lose so much damage from idols

if you have to get res from idols

unless you have enough affixes for res on gear

[flint turret]

you dont "have" to overcap everything

id say doing phys+elemetal is usually the way

elemetal is super easy with idols

[eager mason]

when do they end current season

[flint turret]

either way id go for discord now for sure

[eager mason]

I am finishing my ll gear I can post couple vids

[flint turret]

crazy corrupted idols are gonna be huge

[eager mason]

I am gonna do this for arena

dont really need it for the mapping/uber kill

[flint turret]

ll for arena? bruh

[eager mason]

but good for arena

[eager mason]

I mean I did 1.2k last time

with ll cascade

[flint turret]

wonder how much higher would you be able to do with life

[eager mason]

mike was doing arena

you can either ask him or darkomen maybe

I think you are underestimating ll

[flint turret]

maybe

[eager mason]

now I need to farm these Despair

[flint turret]

all i can say i didnt like it at all

dr and sustain is plain non existent

and having to use boulderfist sucks too

[eager mason]

I dont use those

I am swapping to doom boots for bosses

[flint turret]

you dont use flay boots?

[eager mason]

and flay while mapping

[flint turret]

i see

[eager mason]

you dont need doom for mapping anyways

you just one shot everything

[flint turret]

i guess

[eager mason]

thats my gear rn https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/huurworld/character/Potato_Cascade

arena setup is gonna different

I need to farm a t7 ward on shadow chest

but I dont have double t7s to imprint I used them thinking I wont need it

missing shred too

did an uber kill tho

it was like 2:30

so should get down with like shred and amulet slam

[rugged pollen]

and you dont "have" to use boulderfist

[eager mason]

oh I realized I forgot to put 2 more points to this

[rugged pollen]

also did they fix the frozen after sync bug yet

[zenith bridge]

Haven't had any problems with sync strike since season 3.

[rugged pollen]

naisu

[zenith bridge]

Also the reduced anticipation time by 50% made it alot smoother to use

[rugged pollen]

wait

🤔

[zenith bridge]

was fixed after a hotfix i guess, didnt experienced it anymore

[rugged pollen]

it's still the same patch since sept 2025 till now right

yeah i was confusing

[zenith bridge]

sept 25 was close to s3 release i guess?

[rugged pollen]

since i remember the last time i asked about this you have the same experience

😂

[eager mason]

do you guys mean getting stuck or actual game freeze

[rugged pollen]

getting stuck

[zenith bridge]

stuck

[rugged pollen]

after doing sync

for like 1 second or so

cant do shit

[zenith bridge]

i only have this experience when you enter tombs, but mostly with shift

[eager mason]

I remember bina getting stuck on cascade

but I think it was a dancing strike problem

I havent gotten stuck so far

[rugged pollen]

i was not doing any dancing when that happened to me

[zenith bridge]

nah i also had it without ds

[eager mason]

the last couple days

[rugged pollen]

good that it was fixed i guess

[zenith bridge]

maybe it comes back with s4:)

[rugged pollen]

i think there is a very high chance that

something similar will happen with dancing

when they get rid of the cooldown

[eager mason]

anything can happen with ehg

[zenith bridge]

its fine, i will be bladestorming this season. No sync strike for me:)

[rugged pollen]

bladestorming instead of recalling?

[coarse inlet]

I can't wait to build my rogue 😄

First time ever going for this type of class so very excited

[zenith bridge]

i cant wait for the bladestorm/shuriken proc combo:)

[zenith bridge]

welcome to the rogue family

[coarse inlet]

Thank you!

[eager mason]

I might do potion cd reset shift cascade with the new set

not gonna be the best version of the skill but should be fun

[rugged pollen]

yeah sounds very good

if you can aim the bladestorm at center of the boss making all the shurikens shotgun

sounds juicy

[zenith bridge]

if shurikens and multiple bladestorms can shotgun the same target...then its very juicy

[rugged pollen]

next question is

[zenith bridge]

is it really going to be your first rogue char? or havent you played a throwing rogue build before?

[rugged pollen]

whether it's too good to the point

nobody would direct shuriken ever again

😁

[coarse inlet]

Swear, first ever Rogue character

Across any RPGs I've played heh

New skills got me the itch

[zenith bridge]

yea proc based stuff usually makes self cast versions look bad (detonating arrow/acid flask). But we dont know about the mana cost for bladestorm, so maybe its too high and we need to self cast shurikens in between to sustain mana with sapping strikes while bladestorms are rotating

[rugged pollen]

wait

there will be some reveal in few hrs right

[coarse inlet]

Yep, Day One of Hype Week at 11 AM CDT

[rugged pollen]

oh shit nice

[crimson latch]

omggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg im so excited

[wary cedar]

no, me!

[flint turret]

can always go for falconer to get both more damage and more mana from falcon mark

since its a stat stacking season anyway

[flint turret]

giga slams

and idols

in smoke i usually prefer duration over faster dusks

maxed perfection is an interesting choise, i usually dont do that on ll

[zenith bridge]

I might even go for falconer in endgame if rend doesnt fit in the skillrotation or provide any buffs to the build.
I level with bd though to check out all the new stuff

[eager mason]

uptime isnt that bad

[flint turret]

ill try falconer bow rend maybe

with falcon marks

im mostly interested in the interaction between dark quiver shadow consume and rend shadow consume

if they both work at the same time should be pretty big

[flint turret]

yeah especially on bosses should be fine

you dont get hit all that often

well, deoending on boss ofc

[flint turret]

self-cast flask on a skill panel? mkay

[inland yacht]

based

[flint turret]

from the wording it seems like no corruption rune prophesis for us, and its even possible that they are not a part of a generic group either

[inland yacht]

I think i'm okay with that

chase items are good. not everything should be target farmable with prophecies

coming from a 100% cof player

[flint turret]

if they dont give cof some way of increasing corr runes drop its gonna be bad

hopefully omen counts as a boss for 150% increase

[gaunt mesa]

It could be farmable from the generic ‘rune’ prophecy same as havocs

[eager mason]

new bow mtx

[flint turret]

you left out the most interesting part

look at the mana

mana stacking rend ftw?

[desert bridge]

Mana stacking rogue is something I've always wanted to do

[zenith sequoia]

I'd be cautious reading into the display stats lmao

[inland yacht]

could be using it as a defensive layer too

[eager mason]

also ele arrow

with daggers

[inland yacht]

other than the bow passives, is there anything that takes advantage of high mana costs?

[desert bridge]

Coated Blades is 80% MORE damage for +40 mana cost

[zenith bridge]

Detonating arrow

[inland yacht]

oh yeah there's a % current mana on DA isn't there

[zenith bridge]

Also HoA benefits from higher cost

[inland yacht]

i did know HoA but that was the only one I knew

only because I've played it in the past

[desert bridge]

Also puncture gets phys pen per max mana

I've always wanted to do a channeled puncture mana stacker

[finite arch]

so who's going new skills build?

or waiting for the patch notes for more details

[flint turret]

pretty good first day of reveals

[flint turret]

the real question is who dont

[finite arch]

hey man idk. some ppl play same build

[zenith bridge]

Channeled puncture and DA both sadly feel awful to play. I tested mana stacking on puncture once, its far behind the dmg you can get for DA

[desert bridge]

The feel is what always kills it for me over anything else

[flint turret]

well, it might be true, the most op and common builds were ballista nad trap flask, and so far no info about changes to them

and new skills dont really interact with either

[desert bridge]

This looks pretty cool, for sure

[flint turret]

Bow rend might actually be decent

Easy crit cap from set relic allows not using t7 flat crit on a bow at least

[inland yacht]

channeled puncture feels like it wants to be PoE bleed Snipe but ailments just don't work that way in LE

[desert bridge]

I mean, I want it to be a big huge crit skill

Like Smelter's Wrath, but for a big snipe

[inland yacht]

if they never rework damaging ailments, then a unique that said something like "If you would apply any number of bleeds to a target, instead only apply one. Bleeds you apply deal X% more damage per stack that would have been applied this way." then you could maybe do it

[inland yacht]

could also be fun. I do love me some smelter's wrath

[desert bridge]

I've never actually tried to push it to its limit, but with Coated Blades, Ethereal Blade, mana stacking, and crit multi stacking it FEELS like it could be good

[inland yacht]

i kinda want to play a bow build this season. I've only ever played Hail of Arrows in the past

I don't really vibe with the whole black arrow dance though

[desert bridge]

I don't really like that either, but I've also never gotten to the point where it's necessary

And the new shadow-focused set might make Prenumbral Ambush really good

[inland yacht]

it's a pretty big damage boost for HoA

i don't really want to do some kind of setup combo or anything if I'm playing a bow build. my mind goes to PoE or D2 where you just right click in a direction and spray arrows out with Multishot or fire off a rocket like Detonating Arrow

[desert bridge]

There's a way to stack up black arrows passively that makes it easier if I recall

[inland yacht]

they just stack up now. I think with the introduction of Heartseeker they made some QOL changes to Black Arrow

I haven't played HoA since I think 1.1 so idk when the changes were implemented exactly

[desert bridge]

Als since you're doing very few, strong attacks, Crystalwind is super strong

[inland yacht]

that's the quiver right

[desert bridge]

Yeah, And the puncture bow is an easy 40% more damage and a good amount of flat

With pretty reasonable LPL

[zenith bridge]

Yea i would also like to have an ailment rework to deal one big ignite or bleed stack. But last time playing with charged puncture i also remember that its completely bugged. You get locked in place if you accidentenly press the button too often

[inland yacht]

i suggested an ailment rework on stream once but didn't word it very well. someone made a reddit post not long after the stream

I don't like how all of the standard ailments play the same, and things like Spreading Flames or Plague aren't really build-around

[desert bridge]

Yeah, they did some work with that on the way Time Rot works, but it needs more variety for sure

I think the thing Puncture needs is a node that converts attack speed scaling to More damage that's a branch off the channel node

It's always bothered me that you lose any value from the greater chunk of the Marksman mastery bonus

[zenith bridge]

actually an mtx i'm looking forward to for my rogue

[kind adder]

Anyone here messed around with volatile ice flask frostbite shenanigans?

Got my interest piqued when I started looking into how much freeze rate multi you can stack for frostbite pen with snowdrift boots

[flint turret]

oh wow

The snapshot bug is fixed, but we're also updating Careful Assault so that it requires at least the specified number of shadows, instead of requiring exactly that many shadows.

Shadow Cascade is also getting a damage effectiveness buff to help offset the loss from the snapshot bug.

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[rugged pollen]

that count as a big SC buff in my b ook

[flint turret]

we are loosing shift damage but actually gaining dps

[rugged pollen]

🤔

[flint turret]

it does make using new set for shift or rend trigger less appealing tho

since you will be having 3 shadows mostly

[rugged pollen]

you wont need an exact amount of shadows anymore no?

[flint turret]

yeah but if you spec it for 4 then it means no bonus with 3

if im getting it right

[zenith bridge]

They really didnt need to buff dmg effectiveness for that tbh

[rugged pollen]

it's BD season

of course they would buff anything BD related

[zenith bridge]

Fair

🙂

[rugged pollen]

it's their seasonal vision

[zenith bridge]

For me the snapshot removal doesnt change anything at least for my skill rotation

[rugged pollen]

that's same for me

i almost never do SC without having 4 shadows out anw

[zenith bridge]

Maybe for mapping if i just use shift only, but thats rarely the case since i always sync strike into mobs

[rugged pollen]

so this is a straight up damage buff

[zenith bridge]

Yea

[rugged pollen]

before the sync animation buff you could argument for doing only shift for faster map movement

but with the animation buff

no point

[zenith bridge]

So you think they increased it to 300% dmg eff?

maybe they also increased base crit chance to 20% and buffed traitors lpl 🙂

[rugged pollen]

dunno 🤷🏽‍♂️

if you asked me before dmg eff buff is the last thing i would have thought they'd give to cascade

the skill is very well done at its current state imo

both functional and number-wise

they're just buffing it for the sake of buffing ig

[zenith bridge]

i would even go that far to say shadow cascade in its current state is where i want to see the games balance to be around. Maybe even a bit lower.

[rugged pollen]

it's little bland/not much room for creativity imo but yeah outside of that i think so

[flint turret]

wonder if they will buff throwing cascade as well or will they forget about it

[flint turret]

i think something more like 240%

[zenith bridge]

i honestly think they only changed the snapshot part and didnt interfere with the skill any further

[rugged pollen]

250% most likely

300 is too big

240 is idk

[zenith bridge]

240 is a weird number 😄

[rugged pollen]

a little odd

?

yeah

[flint turret]

well this change nerfs dancing cascade a lot tbh

[zenith bridge]

or maybe you did some crazy math ragu 🙂

[flint turret]

but they are removing dancing cd so dancing syng might feel less terrible

[flint turret]

whats weird about it, 20% increase

[rugged pollen]

i dont think it affects dancing cs much

you always want to dance > sync anw

[flint turret]

it does affect the only version that was not super hard to play, without sync

dance into sync is really tough

[rugged pollen]

you're leaving too much DPS on the table if you rely on only the triggered SC from dance for damage

anw

[flint turret]

well, both yes and no, since you dont need mana eff or mana regen affixes and you are not losing stacks at all

and you use trav smoke

which gives more flat

also no cdr affixes

doesnt matter now anyway. its dead

[zenith bridge]

dude what is this build. HoA, bladestorm, rend, HS, cinder.

[flint turret]

their spoilers screenshots\videos really show some weird stuff there, probably bit of trolling on their side

[zenith bridge]

i guess so yea

[flint turret]

i prefer the hs power lvl tbh, but i guess somewhere between hs and cascade is pretty good

tbh if they finally give us a source of bow flat outside of stupid boots, hs might shoot up quite a bit

[zenith bridge]

tbh i always wanted to say HS is in a perfect spot, but i assume that i belong to the minority because people want more power

they could start by increasing flat bow dmg on quivers...

[flint turret]

not a single source of bow phys still smh

[zenith sequoia]

I just wish HS was interesting to theorycraft on 🙁

[flint turret]

wdym, it has like 5 builds, and a bunch where its used as a support as well

[zenith sequoia]

yeah but everything is pretty straightforward. It doesn't have interesting interactions. It's either utility buff or different flavors of the same build

[fading burrow]

sekrit rogue

[eager mason]

got a 78 sec cascade kill

still not using dancing strikes tho

[pine hatch]

Huge T8 nice kill

See if we can bring the kill time to under a min next

[eager mason]

with dancing or MG gear probably can

[pine hatch]

Well with my setup it requires to snap shot first so I don't know if they gonna look at it or not

Also the bladestrom better be good

Otherwise GG

[eager mason]

they are fixing it

will have to see how they change it

[pine hatch]

Hmmmm

Why can't they just leave the way it is right now

😆

[pine hatch]

@eager mason going arena?

[eager mason]

yeah gonna try to go over 1.5k

need my idol enchants tho

first time I actually have to farm these

[pine hatch]

Cool good luck

[eager mason]

tyty

[flint turret]

wouldnt throwing be better for arena just because of the range advantage? or is it too hard on affix budget to manage high arenas

[flint turret]

pretty nice affix

huge for something like cascade

if it works on 1h as well

[eager mason]

...

[zenith sequoia]

the stat conversions

[eager mason]

bro all the others you can offset

but guile is straight up you dont have max hit

[desert bridge]

The amulet that does conversions also adds additional scaling to them doesn't it?

[eager mason]

I think that was relic no

[flint turret]

this is just stupid why its the only conversion with such a huge downside

[eager mason]

like its already hard to get inc armor on rogue

just forcing zhp gameplay

[desert bridge]

The intelligence conversion is also pretty annoying, since crit avoid sucks compared to crit reduce

[zenith sequoia]

dodge meta guys

just don't get hit kek

[desert bridge]

Okay, but Guile stacking so that Shift has a super low cooldown, and then use the node in Shift that gives you 80 dodge per dex for 1s after

[flint turret]

str conversion is pretty great tho

[eager mason]

rogue class identity is you get one shot and hate yourself

cant give it actual defences

wouldnt fit the class

[flint turret]

i was better not knowing about guile

[zenith sequoia]

just get enough chance to take 0 damage guys

[crimson latch]

mega dodge character haha

[eager mason]

this is also basically a worse dodge

which you cant scale with % dodge

[flint turret]

you get 100 dex
you get conversion affix (-1 affix value)
you loose 400 dodge
you get 100% decresed armor
you get 30 cdr but only for traversal
????
profit

[zenith sequoia]

Guile meta for sure

[pastel willow]

Will guile effect Evade to?

[flint turret]

honestly i dont like any of conversions they are super underwhelming

id rather have any regular affix from a corruption instead

[zenith sequoia]

I like how as a Necro player I have no desire for any of them lmao

[eager mason]

yeah from what I remember evade has movement tag

but its still meh

the cdr you have is enough

[zenith sequoia]

Rampancy is actually really nice tho

[eager mason]

more is hardly reducing anything

[flint turret]

terrible horrible

corrupted bases are also pretty meh

[eager mason]

game doesnt punish me for dying

devs dont want me to be tanky

why try just go zhp

[flint turret]

it does now, echo chains ending will have omens for each echo where you didnt die

well, wowen punished too

[pastel willow]

guille might be better on sentinel when u have overload of armor, just to get the cdr for movement skills

[flint turret]

but why would sentinel get lots of dex

[eager mason]

good for surge if they ever buff it

but spellblade doesnt get much armor does it

[zenith sequoia]

they have dex scaling skills/passives

[flint turret]

discord body is going to be so broken

you are basically getting more than double 1x4 that are doubled for just 7 spaces

[zenith sequoia]

just wear this and get max block guys

[flint turret]

this is acrually a pretty good shield

and low lp lvl it seems too

[zenith sequoia]

yes it is

[eager mason]

is that fan design

[flint turret]

doesnt work on evade even kekw

[eager mason]

oh I didnt even see that part of the post

skipped to the conversions and malded for half an hour

[flint turret]

same

[zenith sequoia]

fair tbh

[bold brook]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[flint turret]

i think we have a rogue hater infiltrated ehg situation, because messing LL with the set helm affix even with them saying they didnt intended too might be a coincidence, but having guile this terrible....

[desert bridge]

It's definitely the most niche

The value is just so low

[flint turret]

ah okay, still terrible still

[bold brook]

ye

[eager mason]

oh does it not Sadge

[flint turret]

i guess EHG did manage to outdone themselves

[eager mason]

havent played that build want to check it out next league

[eager mason]

I guess you can get your cdr from guile and build hybrid health on boots/belt

but does that even change anything when you lose armor and dodge

[flint turret]

at this point id rather have amulet bricked without any corr mod rather than to have guile conversion

[eager mason]

like rogue doesnt need more of these stats

[flint turret]

how about 17% more of the main reason you die

[eager mason]

it needs defensive options

and they keep giving the stats we already have abundant of

[terse jolt]

Yeah, the corruptions seem pretty bad

[zenith sequoia]

I imagine it expands to other subtypes

that one might suck, but maybe there is one that gives 50% increased Guile???

[eager mason]

frenzy effect scales this right?

because haste effect scales the falconer node

[zenith sequoia]

yes, but I think it ws bugged I forget if it was fixed

[flint turret]

at least now i know what data stats i would want to see after s4. how many characters were using guile conversion on their amulet instead of any other "positive" corruption

well i guess it might not be that bad because of all those zhp flask and ballista enjoyers... maybe ehg wanted to embrace this king of gameplay

do they even need traversal cdr that bad tho? wpuldnt they prefer some damage stat instead?

[eager mason]

if they buff lethal mirage it can probably one shot uber abby now

with all these zhp stuff

[cobalt mantle]

iirc belt is getting fixed for S4

[potent rune]

So at 200 dex its 200 reduced increased armor this can go into negative right?

[eager mason]

set chest mod is just max shadow right?

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, negative increased armor is just reduced armor

[potent rune]

Idk i was excited about guile but having no armor kekw ok time to keep playing ballista

[flint turret]

yeah rn it looks like guile can only be used on zhp somewhat

i was expecting something that either movespeed\as related(like haste effectivness) or parry related

but this turned out pretty ugly

i guess we just need to build something around guile...

maybe traversal rend?

[lime folio]

seeing corruption being so heavily tilted towards zhp is kinda sad
the opposite of what we actually needed for a healthy game state

[zenith sequoia]

the obvious choice is lethal mirage 😛

but could convert something like Shurikens, go chakrams, and use Vaion's

[flint turret]

first thought was yeah it kinda makes sense with BBC because its scales pen with dex but then i remembered with BBC you have close to 0 CD of LM anyway

[zenith sequoia]

are there any other movement skill conversions?

[flint turret]

the bigger question is to who wants to stack dex in the first place

there are not that many builds who do

[lime folio]

isnt there some HS nodes about it?

oh, ya, extra recurve per dex
not really impactful

[inland yacht]

also the cold damage boots

[eager mason]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe3YKOao

[sharp raven]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Mage (28) / Spellblade (62) / Runemaster (23)

General:

▸ Health: 3,576, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 144.7, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 152/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 97 Dex / 55 Int / 15 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 87% / 81% / 61% / 61% / 114% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 715
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1978)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,162)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Surge / Enchant Weapon / Static / Flame Ward / Firebrand

[flint turret]

hs wants dex for boost obviously but it definetly doest want to loose neither dex nor armor since its alrfeady dealing with negative res

[inland yacht]

full glass cannon baby

embrace the zhp

[flint turret]

and it doesnt need traversal cdr for the most part

zhp is like playing chess without an opponent because you offscreened him

[lime folio]

might as well remove all monsters from monos and just run around picking up loot

[flint turret]

its already exacly like that, they are removed by skills before you see them basically

[zenith sequoia]

I meant on rogue. but Surge makes sense too, but the palystyle is meh

[eager mason]

mapping is fun with the potion cd mod

[zenith sequoia]

yeah it's pretty nice. I've seen that variation

[lime folio]

ye, let's go one step further, why having the hassle to use skills to do that
new arpg, no combat, just picking up loot

[flint turret]

you almost invented the mobile gaming

just forgot the microtransactions

[crimson latch]

dude the worst conversion is for dex... wtf

[flint turret]

its not worst you just have to build around it (c)

[cobalt mantle]

Spellblade and FG probably

[desert bridge]

So... a survival game?

[lime folio]

oh no, you have monsters on the screen, build decisions and skill in such a game
would feel zhp at all

[zenith sequoia]

yeah off rip idk anything that rogue can use at this current moment you'd have to do some funky stuff for CDR, like convert smoke bomb, dive bomb, shurikens. etc to movement

[lime folio]

this is the funniest thing, they went for the "trade defense for offense" theme because they got feedbacks people didnt like defensive stats...

[desert bridge]

Did they not like defensive stats, or did they not like BINARY defensive stats where they either completely negate or have zero effect?

[lime folio]

Ah, Mike clarified, they just removed the offense downsides to defensive buffs, they didnt remove entirely the defensive stuff

However, likely nerfed them as the same time since no longer a downside

[flint turret]

cant say about everyone but id gladly trade 30% decreased cdr for traversal for 400 dodge and 100% armor anyday

[desert bridge]

Yeah, the number feels low

Even if it was like .5-.75% it would be a tough sell

[torpid trout]

they definitely overestimated how valuable traversal CDR is

90% might be worth those stats, not 30% lol

[zenith sequoia]

it's just not ideal for Rogue tbh

[wary cedar]

what's the lowest you can get shift cooldown tho?

[zenith sequoia]

Sentinel, Spellblade, and Primalist have use for it probs tho

[desert bridge]

With 200 guile, T7 mods and opal rings, ~1.32 seconds

[wary cedar]

and with these blades?

aren't there ones that give cdr?

[desert bridge]

Yeah, if you dual wield those (and nerf yourself hard by doing it) you can get it down to 1.14

[wary cedar]

man

if there would be a way to get it like 0.3 or something around that, that would be a very fun build lol

[desert bridge]

If you could get it below 1.0 cooldown it would be good. That way the "80 dodge per dex for 1 sec" node would be always active

BUT, I think a shift build will be fun with the new doppelganger set, because it'll create 2 extra shadows along the path, so you can trigger 4 Shadow Cascades every time you use it

[wary cedar]

that sounds cool

i always wanted to create a shadow cascade build with the synchronizing thing

but that never turned out good lol

[desert bridge]

Here's basically what I have set up for it ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdX25m4

My build planners are always pretty bare bones

[wary cedar]

(i have no clue what all that is lmao)
haven't played in a while, bit out of touch xd

but the primodal dagger you have there looks cool

wonder if it would work with stacking dex, to get more movespeed, to then get those boots that scale dmg on movespeed

[desert bridge]

Basically replace the exalted helm/chest/relic with the new Doppelganger set

[wary cedar]

can i preview this set anywhere?

[desert bridge]

It's displayed in the trailer

[wary cedar]

gotcha

[wary cedar]

found it already

[desert bridge]

It'll be pretty good for that build

[wary cedar]

but can't you put these setbonuses on different items?

[desert bridge]

You can add them to exalted items, but not uniques

[wary cedar]

i never crafted with set items so i dont know what's the best way is to minmax them

[desert bridge]

You can find videos on the best way to farm and craft those items, but TL:DR you can shatter set items and add them to exalted items similar to normal affixes

You just have to do a specific echo to shatter them instead of shattering them like normal items

[wary cedar]

and can't you corrupt set items in s4? do they gain extra stats? the Body Armors stats seems worth having that, but the other two, might just put them on exalted items no?

[desert bridge]

If you swap out the dagger for Legends Entwined (You can only have one primordial), you can replace one of the set pieces with that to use a unique instead.

[wary cedar]

how so?

[desert bridge]

You could use the new Weaver set instead of the amulet for the set bonus on Scissor of Atropos

[desert bridge]

Legends Entwined is a primordial ring that counts as every set item:

[wary cedar]

ah cool

[desert bridge]

So you could use just the neck from the weaver set, then just the helm and relic from the Doppelganger set and give yourself a unique chest

[zenith sequoia]

I know it doesn't fit in the build but as a reminder you can use shadow string for +1 charge to shift and smoke bomb. Allowing you to potentially have perma uptime with the CDR

[wary cedar]

how the gameplay looking then? is it just synchronized strike with cascade, but just with even more shadows when you use shift?

[desert bridge]

Well, when you shift, it will automatically use Cascade at the end of the shift, which consumes the shadows left by shift to cast 4 shadow cascades.

And the cooldown on shift is low enough that you can probably Shift -> Sync -> Shift -> Sync, etc

[zenith bridge]

Man the idol power creep is insane. Wings of discord and reliquary nest gonna benefit alot from it

[wary cedar]

you mean Shift - Sync - Cascade - Shift?

so you always only have 4 dhadows?

[desert bridge]

Well, the way I'd planned it, you never cast cascade yourself because the shadows from Sync automatically cascade as well

And then they expire immediately

[wary cedar]

ah ok i saw it

[eager mason]

I think I have the guile build

[desert bridge]

IDK if it's most optimal, but Cascade doesn't scale with attack speed and sync does.

oh?

[eager mason]

but its like 80 dex so its not really a guile build at this point

lol

[desert bridge]

haha

[zenith sequoia]

whats the use case

[eager mason]

I mean its not really special to it when you only get 25% cdr for it

[wary cedar]

i mean you can just not take the node in the cascade skilltree, then it will scale with attack speed, but idk the math which scaling is better

[desert bridge]

Yeah but you miss out on two 30% more modifiers by skipping it

which is a lot of potential damage

[wary cedar]

ya but then why do you have meele attack speed on your daggers in the planner? shouldnt some other stat be better then since cascade is the main dmg?

[desert bridge]

Check out the other node that makes Shadow Cascade do .6% more damage per attack speed

Scaling attack speed is probably the best More multi you can get for shadow cascade, even when it doesn't scale with attack speed (counterintuitive, I know)

[wary cedar]

then it does scale with attack speed, then why are you saying it doesn't xd

[eager mason]

does that get the more damage per mana cost bonus

when it doesnt use mana

[desert bridge]

Because CASTING it doesn't scale with attack speed, meaning it takes too long to cast

[wary cedar]

k check

well so the new set looks cool then, and i always wanted to do a cascade build

but also spinning blade could be cool

[desert bridge]

The one from the rogue tree? I dunno

[desert bridge]

You could do both by speccing shadow cascade into the thrown branch. Then basically do the same thing but have bladestorm as well

[wary cedar]

but is that already for the new skill?

[desert bridge]

We don't really know the details of the new skill, just what's currently in the umbral blades skill 🤷‍♀️

[rugged pollen]

bro this guile stat is so bad

[wary cedar]

ya ik that, well gotta wait for the skill tree then

[desert bridge]

Yeah

I like the experimentation aspect as well.

The thrown version could be cool. Just take that throwing branch from Cascade and replace Sync Strike with Bladestorm. Then use Shift and Cascade while your bladestorms are up.

Only kind of annoying part is you'd need to focus more on throwing damage for the build

I don't usually like doing that because it takes up so many affixes

[wary cedar]

idk if i would like to combine them, rather go full into either one, should be easier to build i think

[desert bridge]

Yeah, you either go full throwing or full melee, not both

[wary cedar]

still one week to wait tho 😭

[eager mason]

oh

bd was getting a dex scaling node right?

I forgot about it

[cobalt mantle]

Usually not. There are some effects that scale off the tooltip's claimed mana cost, though, so it wouldn't be unheard of.

[eager mason]

I can test with worldsplitter

[flint turret]

Yeah lol told ya. Even 1x1 can be corrupted which I thought might not be the case

[eager mason]

aoe looks like it works right?

[flint turret]

Yeah they nerfed the dex/gb node and made it scale on dex

So not really bd, but rather rogue in general

[eager mason]

I cant tell

[flint turret]

Hopefully tomorrow we will get better reveals that guile

[wary cedar]

tomorrow my switch 2 will arrive so i can occupy myself until S4 drops 😔

[kind adder]

Any tips on increasing single target damage? playing HS and having relatively long bossfights on 200 corruption... do i just need better gear?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6P4Nnw8

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 89

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (27) / Marksman (70) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,416, Regen: 19.38/s
▸ Mana: 195.43, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 59 Dex / 28 Int / 28 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 94% / 65% / 108% / 68% / 49% / 54%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 86%, Threshold: 336
▸ Dodge Chance: 26% (804)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,052)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 110%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Puncture / Shift / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb

[kind adder]

following the maxroll guide for the RoW variant

[mellow void]

do the potential 7 affix corrupted items NOT excite you somehow

[torpid trout]

I think corruption is a good addition to the game, excitement isn't the word I'd use though 😂

[flint turret]

the only new thing that was somewhat unpredictable today was stat conversions and those sucked bad, especially dex one imo

corruption mechanic itself is great tho

[flint turret]

try this, slam body with +4 hs and get drafonfangs

its super worth until you get lots of cold pen

storm paws gloves are somewhat nice too

crab ring(s) until you get red ones

if you dont wanna swap ammy for glass then discord body would be wonderful with hs idols for recurve

[eager mason]

did they explain how the shadow consume on the set helm works yet

[flint turret]

Also passives, leave just one point in them

[kind adder]

Oh does that convert with cold damage conversion node?

[kind adder]

Do I not want sharpshooter stacks?

[kind adder]

What's ammy lol

Sorry for the pings

[flint turret]

No you remove it, because for some reason if you have both conversions it's still fire

[flint turret]

You will have them maxed even with 1 point

[flint turret]

Amulet

[desert bridge]

Wow, that's insane that basically none of the affixes on it actually worked.

[north tree]

is it just me or is guile seem really bad?

[torpid trout]

nope, not just you

[kind atlas]

i hope everyone is raging on reddit about guile because this is SO bad. w t f

[gaunt mesa]

How to make it decent? Just make it a generic cdr instead of traversal I guess, still a big defence loss though

[north tree]

movement not traversal so its better

I can only think of Lethal mirage build for guile

and thats it

[kind atlas]

the negative armor is way too harsh.

[north tree]

ill have to see the full patch notes but ill be working on a lethal mirage attribute stacking build

[kind adder]

But I'm running cold HS? You're saying fire gives me more damage? Feels like I'd have to swap around my whole build for that no?

Or at least all my gear

[fading burrow]

yeah lmao ridic bad

huge nerf for rogue as people wish

[rugged pollen]

guys

i think i figured it out

the dex -> guile conversion

is actually a brick corruption outcome

that explains all

[pulsar solar]

The guile conversion is only good with a shadow dagger build. But I overall think the conversion is meh

[cyan wren]

Whats so bad about guile. U guys love your evasion per point?

[torpid trout]

I tend to play builds that want defenses and aren't just relying on Silver Shrouds to stay alive

[rugged pollen]

it''s not about what you want to build honestly

it's about the conversion rate

[torpid trout]

30% cooldown recovery speed for movement skills vs 400 dodge and 100% armor isn't a particularly hard choice for me (the armor wins)

[rugged pollen]

at 100 dex you're getting 30% CDR - which is a t7 belt/boots suffix

[torpid trout]

if it was actually 30% cooldown recovery speed there might be some argument for it, but it's only movement skills 💀

[rugged pollen]

while losing 400 flat dodge - which is 2xt7 suffix

and 100% inc armor - which another 2x t6 suffix

if you look at this conversion rate and think it's ok idk what more to say

and CDR is not even a good stat to stack

it has massive diminshing return

[torpid trout]

it's useful in some contexts, idk any for rogue specifically though

ignite paladin has holy aura (as an example) which means better uptime on.. everything holy aura does, plus 50% more ignite damage while holy aura is active

[rugged pollen]

i have an impression

that whoever's in charge of making that

mistook CDR for actual CD reduction

instead of CD recovering rate

[north tree]

idk I think guile can have a place

[terse jolt]

It can... in the trash bin

[fading burrow]

it can... in an universe that rogue doesn't exist

[potent rune]

Complain now so they fix this massive mistake cause holy crap guile look promising on the new amulet but now that we know the conversion for every stat ,it feels way worse like nice i love getting 1 tapped rofl

[flint turret]

No need to swap anything, all your damage increases are universal. The only thing that won't work for fire is cold pen, which you don't have much. Dragonfang gives up to 80 flat fire damage to hs, icicles and puncture which is more than you are "loosing" due to convertion. And you still have mourningfrost which give cold flat which is not converted

Again, you don't have to, you can go for shadow consume instead for more damage, and get traversal smoke bomb generating shadows and dark quiver. It works pretty well too

[flint turret]

You just need a right build bruh

Remember, NOT LEFT

[potent rune]

Duh zhp gonna be even more zhp let's go exciting

[flint turret]

I'm not sure even zhp need those. They'd probably prefer some t7 damage affix instead no?

[potent rune]

You can map faster since evade now gets more cdr ,with new bow ballista maps pretty fast i think with explosive trap and you evade all the time but idk ,I dont know enough about it ,maybe there is new tech that its going to be great but so far this conversions apart from intelligence seem kinda weak ,vitality its ok but they overnerfed the frenzy axe so idk the build i was excited didn't get buffed from this which is a shame

[pearl forge]

oh nice so i guess i need a neck that gets brutality

to get free 20% more dmg kinda

[flint turret]

Not really "free" because you trade armor for it, but at least it straight out gives damage instead yeah

For high manacost skills it should be pretty good tho, because you don't need much str anyway

And it's "per mana cost" and not per mana spend /consumed, so if I'm reading that right it should work on triggered skills like cascade too, because it still has 15 manacost. Meaning 26 str on cascade will provide 20% more melee damage with conversion

Trading of 104% increased armor for it

[pearl forge]

my LM is like 100 mana

it will be fine

or was it almost 90 or 80 i dont remember now

with coated blades

[flint turret]

Coated blades is not mana cost

It's mana consumed

[pearl forge]

oh guess then it only takes the 45 or 50 baseline then

might need to get quite a bit of that brutality

[flint turret]

It's less if you roll the body lm affix

[pearl forge]

actually wonder what the corruption one is for the LM one if it is really 3 mirages

or even more reduction

[flint turret]

Still ii will need only a bit if str to max out

[pearl forge]

think with only the all stat we kinda get should be fine

cant know until I get it really tbh but seems like a cool stat

[flint turret]

20% more damage is pretty decent yeah

[sage canyon]

are we ready to get back into omnis meta

🥹

xdd

[flint turret]

Anything that's not giving +2 skills on an amulet is pretty meh already, unless it's crucial for a build. Dunno why they needed to add so many +2 amulets without buffing old ones with at least +1

Like I dunno, reduce all +2 amulets to +1 and add a quest further in monos or 100 lvl baseline bonus or something that gives +1 all skills at this point

[crimson latch]

we got baited, rogue tier F

[flint turret]

How come?

The only thing that sucks is guile so far, the rest are buffs all over the place, even cascade getting buffed for some reason

[sage canyon]

Not entirely true since you can now corrupt +1 on helm/amu and for many builds that will be enough points

[flint turret]

Oh, both can have +1 skill? Dam that's big

[sage canyon]

Unless we got misinformed hahah we will see in couple days

[flint turret]

How do you feel about cascade dam eff buff coupled with brutality?

[sage canyon]

Pog?

We need that to not fall behind shuriken sync strike spam

How much did they buff de

[flint turret]

No info so far, just this

Since they are fixing snapshotting

[sage canyon]

U can probably permastun uber with my stonefist setup reliably xdd

I mean cascade didnt abuse snapshot outside of dancing stike procs

[flint turret]

And shift trigger

Yeah

[sage canyon]

Ye

[flint turret]

Dancing without sync is dead

But they are removing dancing CD so sync dancing might be back on the menu

[sage canyon]

Ill send u a vid later check smk channel he made it work with shurikens hhahaha

[flint turret]

Bladeshield I guess?

[sage canyon]

Ye

But its worse than sync strike shurikens

[flint turret]

If sync bladeshield worked together it would have been interesting

But maybe bladestorm bladeshield will

[sage canyon]

The thing would be interesting if you can make sync strike+bladestorm+shurikens work

Beeg dmg

[flint turret]

I'm praying for rend to be good

[sage canyon]

Hahah

Im expecting it to be dog

X.x

Is it the one long channeling thing

Look3d like redditors skill if they put eyepatch and take out katana

[flint turret]

I prefer cats

[pastel willow]

will def see a chinese guide make rend look like the best thing since sliced bread

[sage canyon]

Im more hyped for abom buffs

18 all att amulet? Hoooly

[flint turret]

Well, it's the only skill that is completely new, unlike bladestorm or umbrals, so naturally I'm more interested in it

And 12 all stat corruptions

[sage canyon]

Yep 30 stats to abom

Is insane

[flint turret]

Stat stacking season

[zenith bridge]

First time im not hyped about a new skill like rend unless they show more skilltree interactions today.
This bladestorm shuriken tech will be super interesting to try out.

Deadly aim will prob destroy bosses while throwing star will be sick for mapping. Maybe even perma stun when it bypasses cd node

I think Rend ill try with MM

[sage canyon]

megacope

rend loks badge

also has anyone tried primordial mana ring on LL bd for mana sustain, tbh not sure if worth it, it opens up couple idol/item affixes since no need for mana eff but you already good and LL armor is op

[zenith bridge]

Only mana interaction i tried in s3 for rogue was butchers helmet to sustain blast rain

[cobalt mantle]

Doesn't that ring only apply to spells?

[sage canyon]

ye u right F

LL chest it iss then or t8

pepehands

[crimson latch]

i only waiting for misha and trikster new builds

[sage canyon]

yoink

ez

[lime folio]

regarding brutality

[sage canyon]

??????????????????????

why do we have to find this out on reddit

[flint turret]

Wttfffff

Cascade and lm massive buff?

Rend too?