🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

#🎥┃video-shoutout message

(I don't recommend doing it like that)

[flint turret]

You would want to have better gear or use dot hs instead. You should be able to find dot hs Uber kill without much trouble

[fading burrow]

ah lol its explosive trap/acid flask build

i thought he meant some secret heartseeker

[sly hornet]

It’s definitely not easier to play

[atomic vapor]

I hope you're right. As history has shown, if the interaction isn't straight up broken, it's usually a matter of numbers. And for me personally you know I want strong, not just viable. I want to be able to zoom in my arpgs

You got a 2lp red ring? You absolute beast 😭

[steady cypress]

which one is definotely not easier?

[flint turret]

I doubt it would be as strong as falconer tbh. But it has some potential for sure. Let's say dancing strikes+throwing cascade+bladestroms shooting shurikens(if they leave the bladestrom on shadow expire tech) can potentially result in some big DPS numbers

Or maybe, just maybe, imagine bladestroms casting bladeshield shurikens. Single target DPS goes brrr

[atomic vapor]

I've thought about the idea of shadows spamming umbral blades and for clearing, they'd have to actually cover an area for it to be optimal for farming specifically. but shadow dagger bombing does sound fun in theory

As it stands, for me, umbral blades alone don't really have what you'd traditionally call "clear". The replacements on the tree will have to make up for it

[flint turret]

Yeah new bladestorm and umbrals can easily go either way. Either op or obsolete. Will have to wait for more info

Also we will probably see some new uniques and affixes/idols for umbrals/bladestrom so that can be a big factor as well

[atomic vapor]

yeah I'm hoping the unknown factor of itemization will plug some holes

For umbrals, for bladestorm, and for falconer as well since flask will get nerfed and blade explosions won't be a thing if bird doesn't get bladestorm synergy specifically

[flint turret]

After getting hs my expectations for new rogue skills are quite good

[atomic vapor]

Bd will probably be cool with bladestorm though I can see it

[flint turret]

I expect some tech to make bladestorm melee as well

[lapis pumice]

ty for the answers definitely an interesting take on it 👍

[sly hornet]

zHP Ballista

[sly hornet]

PoE is peak zoom

[atomic vapor]

maybe one day when there's ssf with mf boosts for solo like that one pd2 solo mod

[sly hornet]

That’ll never happen and honestly it’s not needed, not for what PoE is trying to be.

[atomic vapor]

Options that don't affect other game modes never hurt anybody, especially when leagues don't interact with each other. Not saying it'll happen, but what PoE is or has tried to be has changed and does change drastically in real time with new mechanics. Especially during giga juiced leagues that allowed casuals to pop out minmaxed rares like it's nothing

I know they're a little too fanatic about their "vision" but that vision changes a little too fast for it to be a vision altogether

So I'm not holding my breath

If it happens, I'll play it, if not, my backlog is looking very healthy

[sly hornet]

It hurts what the game is trying to be. Not all games need to be the same. The fact that we have different games for different people is amazing.

PoE is a trade focussed game that you can choose to play SSF, where as LE is a SSF focussed game that you can choose to play trade in.

Honestly it feels like a similar argument to me to Souls games needing a easy mode and saying it wouldn’t hurt the game.

[atomic vapor]

difficulty is mechanical. this is not something mechanic related. an isolated league with tuned rates is way more realistic to what they've done given the masochist mode that does the exact opposite, or other way more drastic changes like mercenaries

again, regardless of what happens, this isn't something I'm emotionally invested in so I'm fine either way

[sly hornet]

It’s not just mechanical, it’s about what the game is trying to be.

Like I said before, PoE isn’t trying to be an SSF game. You can choose to play SSF but that isn’t what it is.

LE isn’t trying to be economy driven like PoE is, but you can still choose to play trade.

They are two totally different experiences.

Basically if PoE isn’t for you then that’s fine, it doesn’t have to be. There will always be things that aren’t for you.

[thorny widget]

It’s kinda funny cause I’d compare a trading centric arpg to a theoretical souls-like with mandatory co-op: both are trying to be weird mutated version of what the genre is supposed to be. PoE all but removes the rpg parts of the arpg due to damage inflicted by duping RoJs on Diablo 2 ladder for too many hours as a kid

(The actual reason they the game “wants to be” exclusively market focused is because that facilitates it as a f2p live service game)

(Same reason Diablo 3 launched with the auction house, except being blizzard they did it worse)

Anyway ignore me I’m being a grumpy old man about live service games again

[dire forge]

I actually got 5 already, only 1 slam landed tho

[fading burrow]

5lp red ring? Actually beast

[dire forge]

see? everything's possible

[dire forge]

even landed a sealed affix on mine

[fading burrow]

[dire forge]

l2p scrubs

[fading burrow]

Podaj, are you interested on new changes in March

[dire forge]

idk honestly

i kinda am, depends what EHG mean by reworking rogue

personally speaking i would be excited about making other classes better like forge guard and leaving classes that work well alone

or zdps judgement paladin even with 77s on everything lol

[fading burrow]

judgement was good and they nerfed cuz it can deals dmg

now its just dogshjt meatshield lmao

[dire forge]

yeah when i hear someone is going judgement i just wish them luck xd

[fading burrow]

btw they said they will rework whole rogue class?

[dire forge]

not really, i saw something about spellblade

[fading burrow]

i think i missed that part, just rememeber they said they will fix some skills

[dire forge]

but rogue is also being worked on in some way

wait where is it

[fading burrow]

sounds like worse way

as the class is pretty good to play

[dire forge]

exactly

[fading burrow]

but many ppl said its OP... meh

[dire forge]

wait i'll try to find the quote

it's quite strong but i'm sorry we don't have many health sources, we need different defences to work with

like glancing blow or silver shroud

[fading burrow]

is that from dev stream

[dire forge]

no no, it's from the roadmap, sec

oh there iti s

it is

Rogue and Spellblade updates

i dont know if i want to see those rogue updates honestly

spellblade sure it might use some work

[lapis pumice]

Change always good

[dire forge]

not always imo

why change something that works well?

[lapis pumice]

Renew the experience

[dire forge]

then make another classes less miserable so we don't see those differences in classes usage

spellblade, falconer, marksman, sorcerer at 2% on letools builds

[fading burrow]

yeah its my thought aswell

[dire forge]

and falconer is totally fine, it's just people who started crying over latest nerfs

[fading burrow]

rogue identity is glass-cannon and currently, the class is doing well on it

[dire forge]

exactly, you gotta really sacrifice A LOT to get more tanky on a rogue

[fading burrow]

cant adjust its power by seeing "speedrun video" and say its OP

[dire forge]

yeah exactly

[fading burrow]

it requires a lot of skill tbh

[lapis pumice]

Rework cant hurt still

Doubt they will change stuff that works well

[dire forge]

pointless waste of time when resources could go into something else

we'll see about that

cuz i'm not sure about anything atm

[fading burrow]

instead of rework Rogue, they can rework others such as Judgement Paladin, Spellblade... and actually summon Necro

[dire forge]

idk why but i'm starting to regret posting my uber kills with my falconer, i feel like it could have an influence on their mindset about certain classes

[fading burrow]

they have like 6+ months so hopium is there for me

hope about big "GOOD" changes

[dire forge]

exactly

good changes over bad ones

[fading burrow]

imagine waiting 6 months to see your favourite class dies

[dire forge]

yeah that would be funny

[fading burrow]

and you need to pay for new class

😄

[dire forge]

i wouldn't regret a single word i would have said then

nah paid classes aren't coming in s4, it's s5 i think

[fading burrow]

hmm they changed it? last time i checked the roadmap and its s4

but okay, fair

[dire forge]

I don't remember atm

Already turned the pc off

[flint turret]

I could argue with that. Class with the least skills available, mastery with the least skills available. Mastery with the mastery skills that are almost never used(dancing and lm). Strongest builds in all 3 masteries use the same skill(trap flasks), almost no mastery identity for bd because other masteries can have 5 shadows out too and mastery skills are not used anyway and dodge being in a weird spot where you need to stack dex for it, but bd doesn't benefit from dex like other masteries. Lots of bugged/weird interactions in passives(especially perfection), having no flat throw crit affixes(or even general ones) for melee weapons, having no throwing weapons at all(bo doesn't count it's a meme). Only reliable way of generating shadows costing 80 mana per cast. Shadows not being able to use most of the skills. I can go for a long time tbh

If mm didn't get hs recently it would have been in almost the same spot with no mastery identity almost

[steady cypress]

Hi guy, how do you guy play zhp ballista falconer for bossing? I found it hard to do so to maximize damage: You need to remember to drink potion before summoning ballista, remember to use aerial assult and gather the dropped potions. If you use black arrow you even have to receive them. Kind of combo of many button gameplay. I find it even harder than infernal shade necro.

[steady cypress]

I need a rework on lesser minion necro.

Literally everything other than abmo and infernal shade sucks.

But at least this game has several uber viable minion builds, which I like, unlike the thing called median xl.

[fading burrow]

for black arrow, im lazy af so i let AA spam black arrow then pick it up easily

fyi, you can use Decoy instead of it

[steady cypress]

Hmm, I think so too.

But you still need to pick potion and remember to drink them

[fading burrow]

use Jungle Queen belt and you have more 12 potion slots

dont rely on picking potion too much, just focus on dodge attacks and spam ballista

sometimes potion drops in death spot and without picking it, you lose not really much dmg

[steady cypress]

I saw it. Hmm his fights seem just dodge attacks and spam ballista.

[fading burrow]

yea lol

potion mostly for mana

[steady cypress]

But from what I see so far, he use almost optimized offensive gear

[fading burrow]

in farming, you use potion more often

[steady cypress]

And the damage is just similar to umbral blades

So that's why I wonder if it is possible to does damage better for bossing.

Because for umbral blades you just mindlessly push 3 buttons while still having similar damage and better defense.

[fading burrow]

well ballista mainly for farming because of its range

for uber, maybe umbral blade is better

not the best, but slightly better

just take the one that suits your playstyle

[steady cypress]

Yeah, might go for umbral blades then :)))

[fading burrow]

[dire forge]

oh with generating shadows for gazillion mana it's true, such a stupid mechanic

[stiff kite]

How are bees on rogue? 🤔

[fading burrow]

its cool

an assassin with bees around? fancy

[stiff kite]

Welp, time to bee

[burnt swallow]

I am trying to piece together a low input shift-flury dot rogue build. On the Last Epoch build planner i already have flurry, shift, shurikens, and shadow cascade slotted into the skill specialization. Needing a fifth skill that can be a fire and forget skill, i wanted to slot in falconry, but i am having trouble getting it to slot in.

[flint turret]

Huge

I guess I already have a plan for an Uber s4

[flint turret]

Umbrals or smoke bomb maybe

[zenith sequoia]

stream teaser

[flint turret]

Omg they are bringing back the multihit

Well, considering they will be able to use bladeshield as well, this might be whatever

But if they keep sd on hit tech this might be interesting

[flint turret]

So they basically replicated the wave of darkness node from sync

Now rend looks like it's a sync replacement even more

Too bad it's multishot and not hs, but it makes sense because it's a rogue skill afterall

Oh wait a minute

This might actually be huge

Maybe we will be able to snapshot cascade with 2handed weapon?

But eh, probably unlikely

[potent rune]

This is why I am farming rogue gear i think this bladestorm skill maybe be the new flay mana stack of the patch gonna be fun trying it out

[void cargo]

Isn't it already the case with shift use shadow cascade? It was possible at a time not sure if it was corrected.

But it is not really relevant as rogue passives are so much 2 handed oriented.

[eager mason]

cant you already

[north tree]

Its kinda weird multishot having another thing that procs it but 80% of the tree cares about you directly using it

[eager mason]

I remember doing a harmony of the first cascade lvling

[north tree]

unless imitate is the new direct use

[eager mason]

you just snapshot with onehanded and swap to two handed

[flint turret]

Wait, how?

[flint turret]

I don't think it works, the damage is too low

It resets on a weapon swap afaik

[eager mason]

1 sec let me login

I remember it working but its been months since last time I played

[flint turret]

Hmmm, I don't remember exactly how I tested it but I'm fairly sure it didn't work for me

[eager mason]

sounds about right

oh nvm 4 shadows

[flint turret]

I was testing it on dummies not just a tooltip

[eager mason]

looks like it works

[flint turret]

Looks convincing, maybe I did something wrong or misremembering things

[eager mason]

happens

sadly even with this two handed isnt that good

you miss this one and traitors are too broken

you can do like zhp harmony maybe but yeah uniques are too good

[flint turret]

I remember I wanted to do something with bane of winter but rogue lost access to easy flat spell crit outside of tongue and bow

Bane of winter synergies well with mourningfrost and blossom ammy

[eager mason]

sounds interesting

ngl I think its the first time I fully read bane of winter

[flint turret]

It was added at the same time flat crit from death door was removed. The irony

[flint turret]

it still doesnt work for me on shift trigger

cascade with 2h deal exactly the same damage when triggered by shift with or without dual snapshot

nwm im dumb

removing tongue messes up my points

[flint turret]

just did the math for new bladestorm shurikens bladeshield

this might make dragonsong hs pretty interesting

3 bladeshields (maybe more?) casting an average of 9 shurikens per second on a boss adds tons more of dragonsong triggers

and the damage of shuri themselves shouldnt be that bad because of a dragongs fang buff and smoke blades and mourningfrost and ucenui

the big question is if we will have some tech to create bladestrorms on shadow expire like now or not

[cobalt mantle]

I don't think blade shields are what people want on that, but I guess we don't really know how it will work yet, either

[flint turret]

why not? its the best single target option possible

it has all benefits of a line throw but without halving the projectile count

as for clear ricochet might be interesting

[zenith sequoia]

what was the cast time on the shuriken proc?

every second, so might be a dps loss if it overwrites the previous cast, which I think shift proc does. It also could cast from the umbral blade but appear on you

[flint turret]

yeah then it would require you to hug bosses which is not optimal

[zenith sequoia]

my bet is it overwrites the prior cast regardless and would be pretty bad

[flint turret]

wdym by that

[zenith sequoia]

when it casts instead of creating another instance of x amount of shurikens it just removes the last cast and cast a new x amount of shurikens

[flint turret]

and how is it bad

they can hit only once regardless

[zenith sequoia]

because instead of getting x amount of hits you'd get like x/2 amount of hits if you invested in amount of shurikens

you'd lose hits

[flint turret]

i guess i still didnt understand what are youe trying to say

[zenith sequoia]

like the line shurikens all 6 shurikens would hit every cast, with blade shield only 3-4 might hit

[flint turret]

why?

[zenith sequoia]

because it casts every sec

[flint turret]

okay and?

[zenith sequoia]

and I don't think all the shurikens would hit before the next cast if it overwrites

[flint turret]

they hit instantly afaik

if you are inside a boss hitbox

but yeah so far too many variables to shuri bladestorm interactions

no one knows how they will aim and how chakram\line\bladeshield will behave

[zenith sequoia]

it doesn't all the time

if it doesn't overwrite then it'd probably be ideal to do blade shield with chakram

[flint turret]

hopefully there will some tech to trigger bladesttorms outside of directly casting

because if not its pretty much a downgrade

[zenith sequoia]

but yeah will be interesting to see how the tree works

[flint turret]

unless they do something crazy to umbrals

[zenith sequoia]

man I hope umbral is good lmao

[flint turret]

yeah but i cant really imagine them rn

[zenith sequoia]

same

[flint turret]

probebly they will leave sword thrower and explosions in them to not destroy aa umbrals

but sd and on umbral on shadow expire, dunno

probably sd will be left too

[zenith sequoia]

it'd be nice if the recall could chain or actually hit a single target if there is just one

[flint turret]

but then we end up with nothing to take to bladestorm tree outside of bladestorm itself

well, if id had to bet id be ton umbrals losing relevance

hopefully im wrong

[zenith sequoia]

who knows but yeah hopes are not high

reworks have been a miss more than a hit tbh

[eager mason]

just dont make me learn a different way to lvl

[flint turret]

also its a bit werid they copied 1:1 the rend node from sync

the one that consumes shadows to trigger cascade

makes you also wonder about sync future because its terrible at basically everything (even at shadow creation but it doesnt even had alternatives)

[zenith sequoia]

it's probably just to have an option for bow and then a secondary for melee

like shadow gen is like mostly sync for melee

smoke bomb is good but more supplementary

[flint turret]

if rend replaces sync i wouldnt even mind, i kinda hate sync

even after they made it faster

[zenith sequoia]

yupp

would be great as at least a secondary option, you also get opportunity to not dw

if rend doesn't have that requirement

oh wait nvm

[flint turret]

sync doesnt need you to dw

[zenith sequoia]

I thought that was a req for some reason

it's just sc

[flint turret]

rend will help with shadow creation for bow users for sure

hopefully its better than sync for melee as well, and considering the bar is extremely low i would expect it to be the case

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, this is how I assume it would work based on what Mike said - granted, it doesn't sound like he really knows anyway

Since they mention that rend is a high cost skill, there's a chance it might nuke your mana even more than sync

and unless they give some nodes to change it, it'll be a lot slower at making shadows than sync

[flint turret]

Rip all dreams

If it's gonna be worse than sync I'm gonna lose it

[potent rune]

Man can we just not get high mana cost skills with rogue i hate having to get like sync mana efficiency in like 2 idols and helmet or chest or both to use it

[flint turret]

Looks like it's a "no"

[potent rune]

How strong is shadow daggers for today standard ,always wanted to make a build about it?

[flint turret]

not THAT strong, id say similar to HS

also depending on what you gonna use to apply them

the best is probably AA falconer, but its gonna be an identical gameplay of AA crit umbral falconer but having lower damage output

sd is in a weird spot for quite a while TBH. Being incredible at leveling it falls off pretty drastically when climbing corr

[plush lily]

is it worth it to try to add harbinger of the stars to a dragonsong build?

[crimson latch]

i wish rogue/marksman can hit tier S this new season

[fading burrow]

so whole rogue class will be tier S

nice

[cobalt mantle]

Always has been

(usually lol)

[potent rune]

Rogue has 4 or 5s tier builds this season idk always has been the broken class of the game🤣

[willow thicket]

whats the best rogue build this season?

[potent rune]

Acid flask

Then probably shadow cascade

Idk chakrams always gets job done ,umbral falconer is quite strong too ballista always does ballista stuff pick whatever you want 🤣

Meanwhile mage has lightning blast let's share the love with other classes 🤣

[steady cypress]

I want t pose hydra mage to get more love

[fading burrow]

hope they dont change that much on this "rogue rework"

imagine fk up this beautiful class

[potent rune]

Class and mastery already strong just make it a bit better specially for marksman

[dire forge]

Umbral second best ranged rogue build, shadow cascade top 1 melee

[fading burrow]

ballista top 1 summoner right

[potent rune]

Wrong forgeweapons is best summon

[flint turret]

While Bd mastery skills are almost never used, both are niche

Mm at least uses mastery skills most of the time

[potent rune]

Cause they are weird to use but the new chestpiece made low life bd a lot stronger and viable now coming from a non rogue player

[flint turret]

It was always "viable" that's not the point. The point is that it doesn't have mastery identity. You can get 5 shadows as mm or falconer and mastery skills are not used anyway

[potent rune]

True forgeguard also has an identity crisis while most of its skills suck apart from one i say bd wins this one handly cause its passive tree its actually good

[flint turret]

Dodge centered mastery being the only one that doesn't get anything from dex yay

But overall it's pretty decent yeah

[zenith bridge]

I honestly dont expect anything big for mm next season. I think its mostly going to be a bd or falconer patch

Mostly additional stuff for bd, but somehow falconer can probably abuse it again

[flint turret]

Not even rend multishot peaks your interest?

I kinda get it tho, who needs multishot after we got hs

[zenith bridge]

Without the skilltrees its still very hard to imagine how the new skills interact. Also no clue how new shadow generation will look like, but in the current state i cant imagine 4 extra shadows firing multishot with 20 extra mana cost. Also giant slayer is still going to be the best dps output, so i doubt shadow positioning will be efficient to hit all 17 arrows.
Multishot never needed more clear speed, its still one of the best aoe clear skills in the game.

No clue about mana cost etc. I just want karv to showcase the whole skilltrees again pre season 4 patch

[flint turret]

Yeah true. I'm also interested in how rend will be triggered, because one node implies that it can be used not directly

New way to trigger shadow creation is always welcome

I'm both optimistic after we got hs skill and cautious after we got ember amulet and carrion gloves

I'm mostly sure that conceptually everything will be great but there is also a high chance it just won't work as good as we would expect or hoped

Ehg sure loves to put restrictions not where they are needed most

[zenith bridge]

I also think the concept for both skills will be great with alot of skill synergies to try. Shadow rend could either be awkward to play due to high mana cost/maybe cd, will probably feel good while mapping but bad on bosses...or even the other way around.
I can see bladestorm with shurikens being completely broken both clear speed and on bosses

Or shadow rend has some mana stacking ability like DA to nuke bosses, while shadows leave behind aoe skills to clear

[flint turret]

Yeah but bladestorm shurikens might as well be unusable due to weird aiming or inheritance from shuri restrictions

[flint turret]

Even tho they didn't show the node yet I liked that rend can have a variation that moves you and the other one that allows you to stay in place when using it

Syncing into aoe one shots without being able to disable it(well, at least no reasonable ones) feels pretty bad

[boreal walrus]

Multishot

[native summit]

Hi All, I have been trying to build a Blade Dancer Acid flask rogue from this link: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AvXzq21B

Someone in Global chat shared this with me, I have mostly 1LP gear and 12 Mana regen and T7 Thow and Mana efficiency on my rings. I can comfortably do 550 corruption with the odd 1 shot here and there. Would like to push Uber Abberoth but Mana sustain and Survivability is an issue even the medium dmg non dodeable mechanics 1 shot me.

Any guidance would be highly appreciated

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (62) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,517, Regen: 24.8/s
▸ Mana: 265.51, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 93%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 46 Dex / 20 Int / 20 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 692% / 39% / 39% / 39% / 38% / 56% / 61%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 703
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (512)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,115)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Explosive Trap / Shift / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Acid Flask

[plush lily]

Am i missing something with mana sustain on falconer dragonsong? i cant sustain mana spamming explosive trap

[native summit]

Do you have T7 on both your rings?

[plush lily]

I do.. both t7

[native summit]

When I was running Falconer I used Nihilis amulet with 43% Increased Mana Regen

[plush lily]

my nihilis have exactly 43% regen lol

i took the point out of clustered explosives and it feels much better

[eager mason]

I would recommend this mod on belt

they nerfed traps mana a lot

so this is like the only good solution you have left on falconer

[native summit]

I remember now I had to do the same thing

This might even be my current issue with blade dancer

[native summit]

Thanks for the recommendation, I am yet to slam and upgrade my belt

[plush lily]

ill have to add that in

does falcon throwing flasks count for elecoes"s abandon?

[eager mason]

yeah

I remember randomly running out of pots because of that

[plush lily]

i wonder if putting the mana on pot use would work with elecoes and jungle queen

should have 18 pots

[eager mason]

consume doesnt work with on use from what I remember

so you dont get the mana

[plush lily]

oh rip

[eager mason]

the falcon node doesnt do much anyways

potion node on shift works tho if you are playing bd version

[native summit]

That is interesting will check that out

[kind atlas]

can you post your own planner, there may be some easy upgrades you can make or things you might be missing, eg, i have no shred on acid flask spec'd because I hit t5 shred on the traitors (t5 is enough), but before when i had a plain 77 with no shred, i had to put 1 point into tempereed glass

[patent shale]

When I keep pressing Heartseeker key for repeated shots, is this considered 'chanelling'?

[zenith bridge]

No, only Flurry, Shadow Cascade and Hail of Arrows can be made into channeling skills for rogue within the skilltree.

[patent shale]

I see, thanks!

[rugged pollen]

are you sure you need that? acid flask has innate 100% shred already, and you're slinging hundreds of flask per 4 seconds

[kind atlas]

actually haven't tested, always had either a shred affix somewhere or 1 point. i will test it out next time, haven't loaded up le in a while though

[zenith sequoia]

actually nerfs damage somehow in the trap version... for some reason the casts from falcon and yourself make you lose hits. idk, but it's traps are the only way to get flasks to shotgun so it sucks it messes it up

[rugged pollen]

Unless something's changed since 1.1 im sure you dont need shred anywhere

[stiff kite]

I don't suppose there is a way to make (fire) hearseeker cost 0 beyond using Drelkor's Compass, huh? 🤔

[flint turret]

Mountain boots

Hs helmet+ manacost throw rings

[stiff kite]

true, I forgot about those options

Thank you

[plush lily]

wait, so you dont want the acid flask node in falcon?\

[zenith sequoia]

I don't think self cast regular is affected, but idk I just know with traps (probably due to arming time) that you lose hits if you and the falcon are casting fast

[raven wave]

how come i see sync cascade builds taking shadowmaster, doesnt the extra shadow ruin careful assault? (4 shadows = +100% damage)

[flint turret]

Are you aware of cascade snapshotting?

[raven wave]

yes

[flint turret]

So... Why are you asking

[raven wave]

ah i suppose this is super low cd shift spam nvm

thought it was weaving sc/shift

its more my confusion because without the cd

im having to weave

[flint turret]

You can trigger cascade by dancing and sync too

[raven wave]

yea

[flint turret]

Almost no one casts it directly

[raven wave]

not using dancing this time

all good im not there passive point wise anyways yet

[flint turret]

You can just spam sync

If you have lots of regen

Wave of darkness triggers cascade

[raven wave]

ohhh

noted thankyou

might be useful for now

[flint turret]

It consumes 5 mana per shadow

But cascade gives back 6 per shadow

[raven wave]

is that additional to the cost

assuming it has to be

[flint turret]

Yes on top of sync cost, but you are getting it back

So you only need to decrease sync cost and get some regen so you could spam it 3-5 times between shifts

[raven wave]

still a little confused tho, cause when you snapshot with shadowmaster, are you not snap shotting 5 shadows, therefore losing the bonus from careful assault?

i understood it besides that

[flint turret]

You snapshot with 4

[raven wave]

oh wait

im dumb af, its maximum shadows +1

doesnt mean you're summoning an additional one

[flint turret]

You can summon 5 with sync if you add CD node to it but it's pretty terrible in all builds

[raven wave]

yeah, been a while id just forgotten alot of stuff

all good, i can still weave with it, changes nothing really

i play this every season pretty much but always been with dancing strikes, overthinking + brainlag

ty for help

[flint turret]

Also people often use umbral recall on shift tech to get some mana back

And it's free chill too

[raven wave]

aye im using that version now

pretty nice, feels like in the previous days i would need some extra mana or sync strike idols

just need decent regen now

[flint turret]

Sync idols and helm sync mana efficiency are still great

[radiant vessel]

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make a fire damage marksman build work better? So far I’m focusing on increasing mana costs and the passive that makes more mana = more damage, and then some ward on hit and on potion use for survivability. I’m not sure I love my skill selections, it’s almost better for me to just straight spam cinder strike.

Also I have no idea what legendaries are available. Are there any that would be niche for what I’m going for?

[lapis pumice]

dragonsong + heartseeker is pretty good

[flint turret]

Fire hail of arrows is even stronger, and flask too

[severe violet]

hi frends

i just started a rogue today for me first run of the game

[lost stump]

wise choice, it was my first too last season. now I have a thousand+ hours and 7 lvl 100s this season. enjoy your journey 😎

[severe violet]

Its been fun I think the forge aspect is really cool lol

[fading burrow]

i just played rogue this ss aswell and cant stop playing

this class is ridic fun

[stiff kite]

Great choice. I started on rogue in early access and just keep making more of them with time.

[raven wave]

crafting is near perfect in LE!

ive played pretty much only rogue since the game first came out, few mages here and there

awesome class with lots of fun builds

[dire forge]

Hell yeah you're in for a ride my man, good luck, you will enjoy it 😄

[flint turret]

its pretty far from it sadly but its pretty good ngl

not having havoc propheshies and prophecy reroll system is a crime

sets are useless, or rather non legendary items in general

and there is absolutely no bad luck protection whatsoever. you can ruin unfinite amount of 2-3 lp items and not get your 2 stats slammed

[dire forge]

With that I agree completely, they had one full patch to implement havoc/red prophecies and they still didn't do it which is hilarious

[dire forge]

That I don't even want to mention anymore, my poor red rings 🥹

[flint turret]

well at least we are getting corruptions so i would be able to "extend" my 1lp gameplay to 1lp+curruption

[dire forge]

Oh yeah as long as we know the odds, before that there's no way I'm even trying it

[flint turret]

since you cant fail 1lp and you can get tons of 1lp items i think it would be pretty reasonable to get 1lp+decent corruption instead of praying for 2lp

which is tottaly fine by me if its the case

extreme farmers can also have their fun with 3-4lp currupted slams if they want to so i guess its a win

the downside being we will have to roll even more general rune prophesies because at this point i dont believe they will add corruption runes blessings either

[severe violet]

What does lp mean?

[flint turret]

legendary potential

the little 1-4 numbers on unique items

[raven wave]

im alright with havocs cause im not even used to having them really

they feel like a cheat , having too many of them would be kinda crazy

[potent rune]

How can you consider havoc a cheat when its literally how you can get a semblance of deterministic crafting and then you go to slam and you fail the slam

Last epoch biggest problem is that its build on rng on top of rng like ,when I started the game i too though omg this crafting is the best then I saw deterministic crafting in abyss league and I was like yeah we need more tools for crafting

Rune of evolution is so flawed its insane they dont think about it,not having havoc prophecy is straight up a disrespect they better put one next patch

[flint turret]

not having havoc prophesy is like having to search mg 20 times before it starts showing you t7 every time

there is really no alternative but to roll prophesioes 100 times just to get havocs from generic runes

even arbor is not an option for cof because you barely get enough gold for tabs

[potent rune]

Yeah i am currently farming actively exalts and runes of havoc for next league , havoc are mandatory for crafting so yeah we should gotten that this league

[kind atlas]

i never ran out of havocs in s3, except right at the start, but that was before we knew about rampant coast imprint. rampant coast trivialised all friction points (amber, havocs) and was way too good. assume it's getting fixed/nerfed next season though

[potent rune]

If you play one build maybe you dont run out of havoc but for people trying other skills ans see for themselves how good they are ,you dont have enough havoc ever ,tried bear,reflect,frogs on primalist and omg its hilarious how fun those frogs are 🤣

[sharp topaz]

Hey guys, does anyone know an endgame Heartseeker build that does 1k corruption?

[minor stag]

Anyone currently on and playing?

[fading burrow]

having 1lp prophecies is a crime aswell

im sure ive never need that 1lp item prophecy, would rather pick the x5 x10 items than it

[dire forge]

i actually enjoy that half-assed quality of life on MG because now if someone wants to search for some tasty imprintable items he WILL find them, it just takes time but rewards you well

[flint turret]

Any variant of hs is capable afaik

But dots would have worse clear

[flint turret]

True. It was proven mathematically they are useless

Especially having imprint system

I'm not a fan of the imprint system either tbh. Last time I was leveling I made it to lvl 8 cof while spending all favor on daggers and haven't seen a single tongue

But after it drops and you imprint it you are getting like 10 per hour

[fading burrow]

Also, why the heck there is no hotkey for reroll button

imagine clicking reroll button, hover your mouse to the item icon to check if its 1lp or not

[raven wave]

ye i dont really like imprinting too much

and agreed with 1lp prophs, pointless

[potent rune]

With how bad crafting is without imprint cause you dont drop exalts for slamming i think its mandatory maybe if le crafting didn't have this much rng on it we wouldn't need it

[sly hornet]

Look on Max Roll

They have 2 variations in the same guide if you need a more detailed guide

Or you can check LE Tools

[dire forge]

Sorry but that is straight up wrong, without havocs and redemptions you have such low odds of hitting the dream 77 or 777 affix set on an item that it's unimaginable

[flint turret]

even getting a single t7 + skill affix is a challange in cof without havocs

[dire forge]

exactly lol

i remember trying to get a t7 frost claw relic on my runemaster in 1.0

holy shit it was unbearable

and then the slam needed to land, oh god no no

not the flashbacks

[fading burrow]

Podaj please thats horror flashback

[dire forge]

ikr

and then slamming it on 1 lp heart of uhkeiros, oh god it was hell of a ride

[potent rune]

You had a 3 lp items and your only t7 didn't hit so the item was trash 🤣 yeah i ain't going back to that,slamming still needs more QOL very frustrating

Ok I am gonna post this here in case someone hasn't seen it

[flint turret]

Not impressive

Same mana gain as cascade

And it's now obvious that skill itself won't be dealing any damage without this node

So it's basically the same gameplay of sync into rend

But you can't even trigger rend in this case

Also why it's only melee area, how about bow attack width

[atomic vapor]

willing to bet it's both, just janky tooltip

also it's just 80% more, not that impressive given today's powercreep

reminder that there exist 200% and 300% more modifiers completely for free elsewhere

[flint turret]

Why 80

It's 20 per point

60 per shadow

[atomic vapor]

sorry I read per shadow

[flint turret]

But it's way less than shadow coping skills still, it would be 100% per shadow just without aoe increase

And also shadow damage doesn't apply if you consume them so it's even less

[atomic vapor]

Maybe the t7 is worth now

2 max shadows, pop 5

300%

Just napkin thoughts

T8*

[flint turret]

So far dunno, it would need some crazy other nodes to aim for cascade replacement

This one is only half a way there

Or even less

[atomic vapor]

It could 100% work with good shadow generation elsewhere, especially with the other tree changes

For example

What if the bladestorm thing that spawns a shadow when expires gets buffed

And it happens at machinegun rate

[flint turret]

Same applies to cascade as well

So only rend tree and rend uniques are relevant

Because everything else affects both rend and cascade in the same way, except for shadow damage which only affects cascade

[atomic vapor]

Would be insane if there's chance to spawn a shadow on rend crit or something so that you start with more than zero directly after a pop

Either on a unique or on the tree

Probably coping

[flint turret]

It wouldn't be crazy because cascade has shadow on kill already

[atomic vapor]

Was thinking bossing, given how they're planning more Ubers sometime in the next decade

Then again maybe other fights have consistent adds to use as a resource

[flint turret]

Also rend manacost is now even a bigger question

They were saying it's a high cost skill

So how the hell we gonna sustain sync-rend

[atomic vapor]

that's why I'm hoping for good shadow generation elsewhere

Sync is already hungry

[flint turret]

Rend was supposed to be it

Only place left is the missing bd mastery skill now

If that ain't shadow gen we are stuck with sync for life

[atomic vapor]

Is the gap in the first half of the tree. I haven't played in so long I don't remember. If not, marksman will be mana starved again

[flint turret]

Dunno, I'm a bit concerned about rend currently. So far it looks like a mix of sync and cascade but it's not better than either one

And I don't even understand why we need a skill thats a mix of 2 non mastery skills if all 3 masteries can already use those

Unless they are planning to put cascade into bd mastery later or whatever

[steady cypress]

Hi guy, is there any video about explosive ballista killing uberroth in 30 sec?

I remember some guy said this in this discord but can't find it.

[fading burrow]

that was in CN forum

btw today drop

[steady cypress]

what is CN?

[fading burrow]

China forum, that build is updated by a CN player

[steady cypress]

where can I find that forum?

just interested in the gear

[fading burrow]

hydra arc bow, urzil body armor, barbute helm, 2x julra ring, mourningfrost, julra gloves, SW relic, aberroth amu

i have his profile but not at home atm

the build was ridic in farming aswell by abusing Shift/Evade with giga dodge/armor

[steady cypress]

Hmm

I saw some guy killed uberroth in 2 min and he got pretty good gear https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR0zwLXQ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (35) / Falconer (50)

General:

▸ Health: 2,082, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 285.51, Regen: 29.38/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 217 Dex / 20 Int / 29 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 69% / 93% / 77% / 81% / 91% / 134%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 25%, Threshold: 416
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1966)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,935)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 117%

Used skills:

Ballista / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap / Shift / Falconry

[steady cypress]

I wonder what makes the difference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS4gtcfSaTM

[fading burrow]

not using 2x julra ring is a big loss on dps

but yea you get more res, more mana regen, dr with 2x rr

[steady cypress]

I don't believe that 2 julra ring can reduce the killing time from 2min 30 sec to 30 sec

[fading burrow]

16 dex, 120 minion dmg from each ring and these two stats x3 on evade/shift

Mourningfrost gives 1 flat cold dmg per dex

also, % crit avoidance on the link above is low (around 100%)

meanwhile, from that guy i said, he has like 400% 😄

[steady cypress]

oh

no wonder

[fading burrow]

and some more stuff like stacking flat cold bow dmg on slamming items

he doesnt stack res so have a lots of room for more dps

[steady cypress]

well julra ring basically makes you a zhp build

[fading burrow]

nah, you can use julra ring and still have max res - thats his farming setup

[steady cypress]

wait what

[fading burrow]

but having res is irrelevant in 40k corruption (even 10k+)

[steady cypress]

how can you stack armor, dodge, max res at the same time?

especially that the mourningfrost gives you minus res penalty?

[fading burrow]

stack armor/dodge from Shift

you dont need Mourningfrost for farming cuz shit just die in 1 shot unless its 10k+ corruption

so, in 10k+ corruption, you use Mourningfrost and Phantom Grip instead

this is my dodge/armor ss when testing the build with 1lp gear

[steady cypress]

:)))))

even a shield throw build cannot stack 30k armor

this is insane

[fading burrow]

max res, 5k1 armor, 37k dodge + Silver Shroud did make me not die like a pleb in 1k2 corruption with 1lp gear

ah nvm except Poison stuff lol

only around 50% poison res but... just dodge the poison cloud 😄

[eager mason]

its not full uptime

he screenshot it after shifting

the dodge last for 1 sec and shift cd should be like 2

so half or less uptime

[raven wave]

any benefit to overcapping glancing blow?

over 100%

[potent rune]

No

[raven wave]

cheers ill rethink a couple passive pts, could cut some dodge

[potent rune]

Nothing lowers glancing blow so if its at 100 you always take 35%less damage multiplicative with others

[strong lava]

Hi, i’m new to the game. I’m starting a Rogue and I really enjoy playing with a bow and focusing on bleed. Is there a build I could follow or aim who go on that direction please ?

[raven wave]

puncture/bleed is nice for a starter anyways

[flint turret]

hearseeker bleed can work with carrion gloves, but clear wont be that great

can be said about any ailment tho

[stiff kite]

Honestly, there is quite some variation. Puncture will find a place in a build like that, you could go with the Sanguine Hoard quiver for leech, maybe even throw in some Hail of Arrows. The best advice I have is use https://www.lastepochtools.com/ to look at items, ailments etc. The "sources" tab on skills and ailments is especially useful to figure out what you want to go for.

I don't know though, I never used a build guide so my concept of what you need might be different than what you actually do and/or want.

[sly token]

either of these worth building around? The dagge rlooks like it could be good

the issue is crit wouldnt be needed on a DOT build so idk

obv not a top tier build just a start of something

[dire forge]

Dagger I highly doubt it, no chance to bleed on a suffix, no fire damage affixes on prefixes, also it eats your primordial slot for what maehlin's hubris can give you just like that

Those t8 primordials from bloodline glade look appealing but 99% of them is garbo unfortunately

[sly token]

just did em for the weaver points

[dire forge]

Yeah that's honestly the only reason to do that echo

[sly token]

i didnt play this at league start past level 20 and now im not even on rogue so im out of the loop with rogue stuff especially with new primordials

[dire forge]

Rogue takes nice advantage of primordial dagger velocyn's jaw, it helps a lot

[sly token]

why would you want bleed chane on it though? Just wondering is there some kind of conversion

i thought youd want to use the ignite if you were to use it

[dire forge]

Then either you would want bleed or ignite to apply more stacks right

[sly token]

Oh wait the primordial does conver to bleed

sorry you are right

I thought it said ignite chance straight up

whoops

[dire forge]

Yeah haha bleed to ignite just like on maehlin's hubris gloves

[sly token]

How does stuff like that work? Like that says bleed to ignite, but what if in a skill its poison to bleed would that then be converted to ignite?

its pretty confusing

[dire forge]

I think so yes

Poison becomes bleed which then becomes ignite, would make sense

All your bleed chance becomes ignite chance so any converted stuff also should become ignite

[sly token]

the only skill that works with it on rogue would be puncture from what I can see

regardless it'd be like I just hit level 68 and dont have a better primordial available or better dagger so I can build around this kind of thing

[dire forge]

Try it, won't hurt for sure

[sly token]

there is a whole lot bleed to poison but only one poison to bleed 😭

[dire forge]

I just think any exalted or legendary dagger with proper t7 rolls will outshine that primordial

[sly token]

yea would not be surprised

[dire forge]

Also no t7 melee attack speed which for sure would help in applying more stacks of ignite

[fading burrow]

farming lp2 twisted heart is pain af -.-

with 20% hp

[void cargo]

It is not like it is necessary to farm it though. Self inflected pain.

[eager mason]

if you arent already dont forget you can also do the woven echo

with harbinger dropping the bosses loot

[fading burrow]

hmm what echo is that i forgot the name

been farming gear for LB mage as i finish my falconer

[fading burrow]

ty man

will try that when im home

[steady cypress]

just watched some videos of this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO_9eCEMXQQ&list=PLALBfNF96oc8UD6FEazGrZK541WKw_EdS&index=204

after watched this I wonder what kind of monster falconer was in season 2

[potent rune]

Falconer was the strongest mastery in the game since they release the game its nice to see that its taking a back seat nowdays

[sly token]

if it wasnt for the reflect shit Id say its probably still the best (Or atleast the most satisfying) purely for mapping

what even is the king of rogues this season? Like the best at beating UA?

I know that primordial dagger is very nice for mapping

im excited for shadow rend next season though

oh man it low rolled everything jesus

[potent rune]

Acid flask straight up with a ton of min maxing is strongest rogue this season

[sly token]

the resistance stacking one?

[potent rune]

Yep

[sly token]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRR9pOk
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ33mRO2

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (62) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 4,289, Regen: 32.2/s
▸ Mana: 250.51, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 113%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 56 Dex / 30 Int / 30 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 493% / 76% / 76% / 76% / 75% / 103% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 858
▸ Dodge Chance: 22% (758)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,298)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Explosive Trap / Shift / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Acid Flask

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (55) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,628, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 250.24, Regen: 8.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 20 Dex / 4 Int / 4 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 363% / 133% / 77% / 91% / 96% / 91% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 2,325
▸ Dodge Chance: 52% (2030)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,335)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 48%

Used skills:

Explosive Trap / Cinder Strike / Acid Flask / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker

[sly token]

these are the two variations of it I see

some slight changes to them here and there

hmmm

the marksman one has higher EHP but is that even accurate? I feel like it isnt actually

whats the purpose of the boots is it for like mapping?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzzNRxE this cold one looks crazy too

a lot squishier though

[sly token]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzzNRxE

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (56)

General:

▸ Health: 1,822, Regen: 31.92/s
▸ Mana: 180.51, Regen: 10.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 63%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 166 Dex / 26 Int / 26 Att / 28 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 443% / 150% / 84% / 71% / 99% / 138%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 26%, Threshold: 364
▸ Dodge Chance: 67% (3377)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,410)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Falconry / Explosive Trap / Acid Flask / Smoke Bomb / Net

[fading burrow]

ppl keep mentioning reflect build in every channel like its the most OP stuff lol

not being fastest, not having highest dps output, not being tankiest

[sly token]

yea it isnt its just very OP for like entry level

I dont think any other build I have played

was as good like once you hit the level req for the body armour

its just that it takes very little to get going compared to other builds

[fading burrow]

its very good for early game but slowing down from 1k corruption compare to other builds - especially falconer

[sly token]

yea i can def see that being the case

the issue is that u can clear empower monos up until that point so easily once you put that armour on

its super strong

like when I played rogue season before there was a lot more purpose in gearing

I see alot of acid flasks build, but the EHP looks kind of low, any builds capable of doing uberroth in like 5 minutes while being somewhat tanky?

[fading burrow]

acid flask/explosive trap is that build

early game might be slow but you would be fine in 600-700 corruption to get 2t7 gear then you're good for uberroth

[sly token]

I've seen two variations one with the spreading flame staff and another that uses heartseeker and bow/quiver

which is the tankier version?

I saw this one from season 2 with 100k EHP but I have a feeling the DPS is super lacking on it https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVaarl7Z

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (57) / Falconer (18)

General:

▸ Health: 5,022, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 220.84, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 28 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 417% / 117% / 75% / 67% / 88% / 63% / 68%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 1,817
▸ Dodge Chance: 77% (5704)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,120)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 83%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap / Heartseeker / Cinder Strike

[fading burrow]

if you want tanky acid flask build, bd works better than falconer unless you're farming high corruption (around 4k+)

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMj33dwo

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (62) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,055, Regen: 35.6/s
▸ Mana: 250.51, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 113%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 55 Dex / 30 Int / 30 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 529% / 76% / 76% / 70% / 70% / 109% / 114%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 611
▸ Dodge Chance: 22% (756)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,163)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Explosive Trap / Shift / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Acid Flask

[sly token]

yea I dont wanna push that high anyway Id be happy sitting around 1k

[fading burrow]

marksman is like the season starter build when you have nothing, otherwise there's no need to use that ever but it can still fo 40s uberand 2k mapping

[sly token]

I keep seeing those shoes is it just cause of the movement speed?

[fading burrow]

then bd, it works well with 1lp gear

[sly token]

alr ty for the help man appreciate it

wanna get off reflect paladin asap 😭

miserable and boring gameplay

[fading burrow]

ms, fire dmg, fire res, reduced bonus dmg from crit strike... are good stats

you will stack fire res for this build

[sly token]

alr ty

[fading burrow]

sometimes lucky

thats t7 hit with max roll tho

[pearl forge]

damn i never got t7 on that

[strong totem]

looks super cool! what would be a good starter build so i can transition into this later? or can i just level with that one?

[fading burrow]

Leveling with marksman for mana regenerator

Then swap to bd when you have needed unique

[native summit]

I am COF and dropped a 4LP Firestarter, then placed it on the weaver tree as an imprint now it's raining 2 and 3LP Firestarters, how do I gift these?

[sly hornet]

You don’t unless you play with some enough to drop and item that lets you trade with them.

[rugged pollen]

yo guys did we get any new teaser on 0.4 BD changes

[zenith bridge]

Mike only teased a node for shadow rend

[rugged pollen]

you mean this right

[zenith bridge]

Yep

[rugged pollen]

is it only me or this node looks just like a recycle combination of some Cascade's node

[zenith bridge]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-4-weve-sprung-a-leak/79956
This probably gets updated after every dev stream (if you have missed anything)

[rugged pollen]

yes

there's def not enough dex stacking in the game

[zenith bridge]

More mourningfrost builds incoming

[rugged pollen]

from what i've seen i think Rend will be the new cascade

wonder what changes they're going to give cascade

[zenith bridge]

If rend is clunky to play i honestly stick with cascade because its one of the most satisfying skills to play

[rugged pollen]

bladestorm triggering shurikens looks kinda nuts

[zenith bridge]

I just hope rend/bladestorm/UB open up build variety and skill synergies

[rugged pollen]

if the shuriken can shotgun, and shuriken still keeps the current numbers on tree, it's gonna be a lot of dps

[rugged pollen]

yeah i hope so too

[zenith bridge]

Yea i also think the bladestorm/shuriken combo sounds mechanically very strong

[rugged pollen]

I also really want to see them coming up with a new way to make use of shadows

but doubt it

right now it's either a dps multiplier of some sort

or mana regenerator

[inland yacht]

surely they'll throw some buffs in for DoT flask with the bladedancer reworks right?

where's my copium at

[cobalt mantle]

lol

[coral kelp]

guys, i want to make a blast rain (with the 3 elements) build with hydra arc. i now its not meta, but i can be any good? the detonating arrow node is limited 10 per 2 seconds, is it worth it or should i just focus on blast rain damage?

[fading burrow]

that's explosive ballista basically but yeah not really meta (strong af but not much popular) 😄

probably the fastest falconer/rogue build out there

[lapis pumice]

Deto arrow big bait

[drifting trout]

the shift bonus damage nodes are not showing up on tooltip (Braskula's Hesitation). Is this a tooltip issue, or are the nodes still bugged?

[plush lily]

marksmen vs falconer for dragonsong?

[plush lily]

nvm, falconer is leagues ahead of marksman

[coral kelp]

can i do it with balista + detonating arrow?

[coral kelp]

=/

😢

[plush lily]

has there ever been a stated reason why we cant see our equipped quiver on our character?

[cobalt mantle]

They don't have 3D models, don't think there's any reason other than that

[drifting trout]

Does shadow dagger get 'more' bonus damage from the skill that triggers it?

[dire forge]

SD is a separate debuff

[cobalt mantle]

Just to be totally clear, no. It always counts as a triggered cast from you (so stats for your shadows also do not apply).

[drifting trout]

Thanks!

[fading burrow]

never tried it with de-arrow so no idea

[coral kelp]

it's probably weak but i always loved that skill combination, unfortunetly it was nerfed. but with ice balista explosion and lightning detonating arrow i can use the simon gloves to have fire tornados and have all three elemental looks on my character, i will try it, thanks!

[fading burrow]

yo fam

any new leak today?

[zenith bridge]

Nope

[dire forge]

my faucet is more likely to leak

[sly hornet]

What is “good” to you? It probably wont comfortably do Uberoth but just about everything else should be doable.

[coral kelp]

Yeah dont need to kill uber really quickly, Just general gameplay in higher corruptions

[steady cypress]

hmm, does bleed falconer still produce good dps now?

maxroll ranked them C tier for some reason (while other bleed builds such as bleed hammerdin got A) but I'm not sure about their actual potential since maxroll's gear are pretty much defensive sided

[dire forge]

I don't think so, there was a guy who tried bleed falc early in the season and failed quite badly, so badly he deleted all 1.3 videos from his channel lol and he had one of the top falconers in 1.2 so that tells a lot

[steady cypress]

I hope that abomination, infernal shade necro and BM builds wont meet the same fate.

[sly hornet]

Abom could do with being taken down a peg or five

Needs some nerfs and other builds need a bump up too.

[steady cypress]

abom can be nerfed a bit as long as it is still in S tier, like dmg can't be like mana flay or more but at least it will be similar to LB, Erasing strike or frog. Otherwise if it is nerfed to A tier then there is no reason to play necro anymore. Just go for BM with way better minions and most of them are A tiers above.

[soft mauve]

yo guys, i gave myself a meme challenge (you can judge me, im judging myself as well) trying to use melee Detonating Arrow as main attack.
Mourningfrost+converted to cold to make it easier
Having problems with singletarget, not sure how to scale it, never done a cold build.
After Throne of Ambition idol, armor shred and Shattered Chains + doom ring, nothing comes to mind if i'm honest
Any non-weapon slot mechanic suggestions?

(pls @ me, thanks a bunch)

[cobalt mantle]

There is the shattered lance set (can use legends entwined of course) as an option. Ucenui's Sphere can be pretty decent also.
Personally I've always done melee DA as lightning because the tendril is so good, though I think it used to hit the initial target and doesn't anymore so not sure if that's still best.
Not a ton of other gearing options I can think of atm.

[flint turret]

i dont think mourningfrost is that good of an idea for it

jelkors already give 100 flat each

skin boots would be much better imo

[cobalt mantle]

True, army of skin is really strong for some reason, and easier to slap in compared to suloron's

[flint turret]

yeah skin is too good for any melee. 52% more damage for 66% of the time is even bigger than even ring+belt doom combo

and if you one-shot enemies its 100% of the time

[flint turret]

On a side note, some of the new idol layouts are crazy

4 huge idols can be pretty sick

Cascade for example

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, looks like we're functionally going back to the old idol setup, except they buffed all the 4x1 and 1x4 idols to compensate for only having two, plus 3 bonus purple-fied small idols extra

so old setup, only more power creep lol

I wonder if they'll re-nerf the huge/ornate idols to compensate

if not, we can probably do some silly things with nest

[weary widget]

Yeah, it could certainly be a big boost. Here's some I figure will be pretty good/fun, besides the obvious damage ones:

100% mana efficiency with void spells lol

[atomic vapor]

Wasn't this you dream setup a while ago.

[flint turret]

I'm so used to having almost all idols with hp/res because I was using mostly 1lps, but this change along with corruption will bring a lot to the table

[zenith bridge]

Yep, also multishot will benefit from it with the 4x1 setup

Makes Reliquary Nest primo alot more valuable

Btw i started playing le again after a long break and kinda wanted to prepare for s4. I never thought it would work out, but i wanted to see how recall umbral blades feels after we will lose bladestorm.
Turns out that recall UB spamming deals alot of dmg and is actually a viable build.

[flint turret]

Depending on what those purple slots are, discord body can be sick as well

But I'm kinda tempted to try 4xrecurve idols with double shot with idol relic lol

Just to see how much shit it will proc

They also mentioned that the ember amulet is getting better so this might be interesting for dot too

oh yeah stat conversion affixes can by hype too

[zenith bridge]

Gonna be alot of stuff to test in s4 for sure

[plush lily]

Woah what did i miss? They're changing the idol slots?

[molten veldt]

heh the forgotten builds see the light of day again

I always enjoyed umbral recall with giga throwing speed stack since with 4 throws it constantly stacks extra attack speed every cycle

[cobalt mantle]

Idol slot layouts are becoming itemized, here's a few layout rolls they teased: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[flint turret]

Hopefully dex conversion will bring something good. Can't say I'm a fan of 4 flat dodge per dex

[zenith bridge]

Yea I think the leveling progression is the reason why people didn't continue playing it. It only started to feel good once i got good gear. Throwing attack speed is the most important stat.

[molten veldt]

my only gripe with it is how bad the hit box is when it comes to shotgunning the blades

[zenith bridge]

Agreed. Unfortunately that was one of the main issues I had with my rogue builds recently

[molten veldt]

Like very small enemies you can get projectiles that literally pass through the model but don't hit

[zenith bridge]

It was also the first time that it felt good to play without Precision Cuts.

[fading burrow]

wish they give us a way to reroll idol

[sly hornet]

That’s why I said it needs nerfing and other things need buffing too. As of now Abom is way too strong and everything else is extremely weak in comparison.

[soft mauve]

any gameplay/quality of life issues i should be expecting with heartseeker+dragonsong? mana issues? anyth else?

[zenith bridge]

dps loss due to bad positioning

[flint turret]

wasd movement messes it up

mana is not really an issue unless you want to go 3\3 daggers

you can sustain 2\3 with full points in mana on recurve

[soft mauve]

"daggers"?

[flint turret]

burning daggers

there is almost no reason to go dragonsong otherwise

technically the dps is better than with row but its only if both you and your trget is stationary

hopefully there will be a time when we get access to flat bow damage ourside of mourningfrost, especially phys flat

or at least a way to disable life on hit\crit, so we could use nightbringer

[soft mauve]

what about them? i dont get it really :D

[flint turret]

they consume tons of mana

hs itself doesnt consume much its only 3 mana so you cant really have mana issues without durning daggers

[soft mauve]

how do i incorporate them?

[flint turret]

i was sure you are gonna use them because of both dragonsong and mana issues you mentioned

[soft mauve]

oh wow this could be interesting...

[flint turret]

burning daggers have no damage really

they are only okay as dot applicator or dragonsong trigger

[soft mauve]

i mean yeah but it could proc more dragonfire from daggers from shadows (im assuming)

oh the daggers have non-bow crit chance, derp

[flint turret]

it doesnt matter as much because dragonsong caps it anyway

you need spell crit cap anyway, its bascally the same

[soft mauve]

how would i get spell crit cap if my base crit is bow... hmm

nvm i guess

[soft mauve]

im assuming immolator belt could be good w/ dragonsong?

[flint turret]

not really

you stack dex for spell dmg, and hs tree also gives flat spell

dragonsomg proc is not the majority of your damage anyway

[raven wave]

not a huge fan of dragonsong outside of levelling, doesnt feel worth throwing away your ability to be 'ranged'

[flint turret]

if they keep their promise to do something about embers amulet, dragonsong might see more play

but i woldnt play dragonsong with ignite hs probably anyway

id probably go for drelkor and max out burning daggers

[uncut pebble]

Wth happened to explosive trap + detonating arrow!? Its really poopy to use now

[zenith sequoia]

yeah I think multiple changes kind of made it meh. there's an interaction I found a bit ago, but idk how/if it'd be utilized in a build

[uncut pebble]

was getting ready for the upcoming season

and remember playing it a while back

[flint turret]

its dead. now its trap flask instead

[potent rune]

Doesn't detonating arrow with explosive trap one shot uber or which version is the one doing that?

[zenith bridge]

The mana stack version can one shot bosses

[eager mason]

its the direct cast one

not explosive

[potent rune]

What weapon you are supposed to use for mana stacking the new bow?

[zenith bridge]

A perfectly rolled hydra bow has better stats, yea. But I don't know if the repeat mechanic ruins the damage setup. I just didnt like that the repeated arrow shoots in a random direction.

[fading burrow]

the explosive trap/ballista build?

[zenith bridge]

Infused discharge node in DA tree. Self cast DA

Its like a 6 or 7 step setup to gain all multipliers before shooting 2 high mana cost arrows.

[potent rune]

What weapon do you guys use for the detonating arrow build from the bows like the lightning one or which one?

[kind atlas]

this is the video of the guy who did it back in 1.2, offline mode though (seems fairly legit but cant be sure) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZE8MS03Jbw

dont think anyone ever replicated this online

it's a full meme build though, you literally cant do anything except this.

[potent rune]

Thank you thats pretty cool i am gonna give it a try either this season or next just fot the lols

[zenith bridge]

You can switch to the cone version to at least farm monos more comfortable. More aoe coverage, better survivability, less dps.
It was my worst marksman leveling experience but its possible.

[crimson latch]

hi guys

[pale loom]

hi rogue friends
someone have good rogue build for aoe and mobility endgame "fun"
and, easy to build ? and maybe easy to play ( isn't a problem if no easy to play ^^ I can learn )

[flint turret]

I'd say the two most fun are heatseeker and cascade. They can more or less easily clear 1000 corr and have a chance with Uber, even tho it won't be easy. But if you want op meta slave build you can go anything falconer or anything trap flasks

The gameplay is not nearly as fun imo tho

[pale loom]

I see
thx for answer 🙂

[eager mason]

sad thing is hitting something like that is so hard that you just run a unique anyways

[zenith sequoia]

I mean we don't know

[eager mason]

if there is a way to guarantee a corrupted affix that would be cool

[zenith sequoia]

but if you can hit a set reforge affix, primo, and a corrupt seal on an items that's crazy

[eager mason]

or double corrupt like poe

[zenith sequoia]

even 2/3 or 1/3 could be impactful in some scenarios

also that teaser is a new set as well

[eager mason]

yeah

not sure about what we can do with the evade one but the traversal is cool

3 shadows after shift

[zenith sequoia]

it's pretty much easy gen for clear and in the case rend is good or you can use a separate skill to only need 1-2 shadows. It's pretty nice

[flint turret]

holy this set is so good

if only set items didnt suck

[zenith sequoia]

I think most of the shadow gen wants either a specific number like 4 or max shadows, this just alleviates the downtime in many cases and also saves mana haha

I mean are primos that important on Rogue? cause set ring + 1 reforged affix and you're good

[flint turret]

2s shift that creates 3 shados is sick

evade creating shadow is also great

[zenith sequoia]

although does suck that one piece is on chest slot

[flint turret]

yeah loosing discord\ll\null hurts a lot

[eager mason]

its fine on cascade

[flint turret]

because that chest on a picture is tottaly unrealistic

[eager mason]

t8 damage per shadow is pretty big

you can go ward on shadow creation setup

[zenith sequoia]

I'd like to know the odds of that item. Maybe Mike said on stream

[flint turret]

it is, but crafting it....

[eager mason]

yeah xdd

[zenith sequoia]

I doubt it's easy. But would be nice to finally get some crafting faction or nodes in the weaver tree to support how you want to build your gear

[flint turret]

and id rather go +6 lvl

because we can now get 4 idols for damage per shadow anyway if someone wants to

dam i want to see the new set items now

[zenith sequoia]

I also wonder what will be more gated the idol configs or items like that

hope they start teasing more about the corrupt idols and config stuff

would be nice to see 2-3 new set options for Rogue and Acolyte

[flint turret]

i really doubt anything set related is gonna be of any significance unless they heavily change something about set items in general

[eager mason]

at least you can do a legends entwined rogue setup now

corsair + this

[flint turret]

no one wants to spend 1k hours trying to make a body like that and not get it

[zenith sequoia]

sets are okay and niche, which is fine tbh. I just think empowering a couple more builds is all they need to do

[flint turret]

and even if you get a body like that

you cant get other 2 piecfes with primo affix after that

abfd you are stuck with 2 regular exalts

[zenith sequoia]

Honestly corrupts might even be a lootfilter thing, where you dictate a reroll based on corrupts you do for other classes exalt gear, etc.

I mostly play Necro so slamming my Rogue items would be whatevs, then I would totally reroll a build for an item like that

[flint turret]

i see corrupts as an easy alternative to 2lp slamming

im gonna be making everything 1lp and corrupting it

[zenith sequoia]

For sure

depends on the item and it's LPL

[eager mason]

btw what can we do with 6 shadows

[zenith sequoia]

idk specfically but I know there are multis per shadow

[flint turret]

rend, hopefully(probably not)

[eager mason]

lethal mirage

but I hate that skill

[flint turret]

easy 5 shadow dives

umbrals\bladesttorm might be interesting

depending which one keeps cast on shadow expire

with that set

hmmm

actually dancing strikes make much more sense with it too

you wont need to sync

just shift\evade

[zenith sequoia]

seems nice for dark quiver too easy 3 shadows per shift

but idk if you wanna sacrifice the slots 😛

[flint turret]

Yeah the main probably it's just "interesting" instead of viable

Sets need buffs first

I'd gladly use that set for hs too with shadow consumption nodes

[eager mason]

and they need to move some of rogue defences to tree

[flint turret]

If only sets wasn't that weak

[eager mason]

hard to sacrifice slots when you need defensive items

[flint turret]

Actually this set is super sick for hoa probably

[zenith sequoia]

Idk I'm sure @zenith bridge has some ideas off cuff, but I don't know anything unless I look at Rogue. Plus too many unknowns with the changes coming hard to really say anything for certain

[flint turret]

Well we can already say that rogue gets a good set, which potentially can become super viable once they do something about sets in general

[zenith bridge]

Honestly, items like these make me more angry than hyped. What is this stupid level of powercreep and rng that the game currently doesn't need? 99,9% of the playerbase will never have an item like this online.
The setbonus is good for HoA. This will get you the full dmg output after casting Shift without Smoke Bomb shadow gen. But man i dont like these crazy layers of rng on an item, idk.

[weary widget]

Although I understand the sentiment, it wasn't long ago people were saying corrupting looked pointless because at first they just showed +14% necrotic res or something. Then they were urged to show the really strong results corrupting can give.

It's a catch 22: If corrupting is weak no one likes it, if its too strong it's just powercreep.

Of course there's ways to balance that. I like the build enabling stuff like the madness conversion, but pure stats does seem pretty boring and powercreep for the sake of powercreep.

Just gotta wait and see ig

[zenith bridge]

I'm just thinking abit outside of the box here. LE has never been good with class and build balance for the last couple of years. Adding another layer of possible stats you can add to an item will make it harder for EHG to balance the whole game.
On top of that, introducing new ways of aspirational items, build creators or build guides will use more of these unnecessary overpowered gear setups casual players will never see.
I hope you understand what i'm trying to say...It may seem charming at first glance to see these possible outcomes. But at the end of the day, only a few will benefit from it.

[weary widget]

Oh yeah, I agree for the most part, but that also applied to the imprint system. Imprints made 3 t7 gear achievable, but we didn't suddenly see a surge of 3 t7 gear in build guides or anything.

I'm just trying to be positive and waiting until we actually have our grubby little mits on it before I make a firm judgement

[zenith bridge]

I agree on that, but even after seeing great in depth videos from frozensentinel like how to farm double t7s, the majority of the playerbase has never seen items like this.
Don't get me wrong, i'm always supporting LE and be on the positive side. But i'm just trying to be honest and critical at the same time with my feedback.

[potent rune]

The only way to obtain like absurd exalts so 4t7 its to do group play ,I have been doing that and I have a bunch of 4t7 missing only rogue body armor for the rest its all done, this game needs deterministic crafting getting tired that every time they add something there is more rng involved like rune of evolution butchering the item and picking wrong affixes ,I am not excited about corruption but I hope they had time to listen to some feedback cause slamming its very painful

Alone you can get to 3t7 after a long time grinding and only a few

[weary widget]

I haven't played s3 that much and I've stacked on quite a few, not even grinding 'optimally'. That could just be me being lucky with imprints tho

completely forgot I had this, I'm a sentinel main >.>

[potent rune]

You definitely lucky

[potent rune]

You are cof legacy ?need one of those troves in the weekend🤣

Imagine getting insane 3 t7 item with perfect base and t8 rune just picks random affix bricking it , really hope we can pick whatever t8 we want

[zenith sequoia]

I don’t think these items are anything but aspirational and one would hope content extends to needing a small fraction of this power and not the full thing as we have an issue rn of too much power tbh. These are semi build defining and in edge cases so I don’t mind it replaces the old LP2-LP3 chase we used to have. But who knows if content cares about that power creep

[weary widget]

Yeah, I am. Unfortunately I don't think you can imprint nemesis items since they're unique drops, right?

[weary widget]

mmm t8 chill chance

[zenith sequoia]

I think any player playing for more than 1 season has the potential to see the endgame setups for most builds nowadays, aspirational is really limited for top tier players and we have been asking for expansions to the gear curve and content since forever, idk you can’t have it both ways imo

[potent rune]

I think you can it will imprint like other types no that one but it should work

[weary widget]

Oh yeah, maybe. Worth a shot at some point

[potent rune]

Idk I love this game but poe 2 had crap crafting then abyss league came and deterministic crafting existed ,they got rid of some of it but its still deterministic enough like can we get it together fix this much rng on every system they add into the game

[zenith sequoia]

Yeah LE will need to expand the determinism for sure

[soft mauve]

does general "increased cooldown recovery speed" work on evade charges?

[flint turret]

oh actually i forgot about idol corruptions. this is a huge buff to discord body and idol relic

i guess ill roll with it s4

it shouldnt be too bad because i will need only 1 idol of each type to slam

[flint turret]

i remember i checked it and im mostly positive it does even tho it was quite a while ago

you can hover over evade icon and it shows cd

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, it does. CDR from items is additive with the CDR evade gets from levels, so it functionally has some diminished effect.

[molten veldt]

Nobody is dropping 11 ww idols 😂

[flint turret]

wdym

[molten veldt]

Thats a 11 weavers rolled idol

ive never dropped one higher than 8

although i never target rolled a giga amount of idols

[flint turret]

i dont see how ww amount is relevant to the fact that discord body and reliquary relic gets a huge buff from idol corruption mechanics

[molten veldt]

its relevant to the picture 😁

[soft mauve]

do minions have base crit chance? or is it 0 by default?

[flint turret]

it should be shown on letools skill desk, usually its 5% for wast majority of skills

[potent rune]

The day the actually add reroll of idols values then corrupting them will feel better as it stands either I got multiple copies of well rolled for corruption or I ain't doing that

[quartz gust]

Pretty sure everything is 5% base

[cobalt mantle]

The skele mage mortar skill has less base crit for some reason (probably unintentional)

[soft mauve]

why was there a popular esplosive ballista build with negative resists at some point? did it benefit from negative resists in any way?

[raven wave]

yup agreed, and what content is there to achieve once you hit these insane items lol

i do like the set bonus itself though, anything to drop sync strike

[lapis pumice]

u can scale crit multi through crit avoidance with falconer, it's suffix slot so u forego resistances

if u want to min max dps

mourningfrost boots also debuffs ur resistances hard so it's quite hard to cap on ballista builds

[potent rune]

Well if rogue ends up having some kick ass builds I am ready

[soft mauve]

does this node affect added damage as well?

[potent rune]

Idk what you mean but how mourning frost works is that every point of dex gives 1 flat damage to melee,spells,bow and throwing attacks but it also gives -1 cold and -1 physical res ,it can become zhp build cause people focus on damage while not getting health or trying to fix resistances

[soft mauve]

yes but explosion from ballista is still a minion skill, so i was confused as to why mourningfrost would work on ballista. i also forgot to post the screenshot of the node i wanted to mention :D

aand forgot again

[soft mauve]

redemtion the helmet till something good pops up

[potent rune]

You dont understand those are imprint bases meaning 4t7 both

[steady cypress]

currently is burning dagger autobomber good?

[flint turret]

havent heard of such a thing, do you mean using heartseeker helmet to trigger burnning daggers? if yes than its zdps

[flint turret]

can i somehow see on maxroll where flat damage comes from?

@zenith bridge yo nice vid with recall umbrals, but i dont really understand a few things, can you explain your train of thought?

why falconer at all if you dont even use dive for the smoke prolongation or shrouds stacking with shadow falcons? you dont really need mana gain from falcon and AA doesnt add that many umbrals for you

this brings us to the next question about itemization because dex affixes eat a lot of what could have been flat or % increase, and you are low on both, but also overinvested in crit multi

attack speed might also be overvalued because of flow compared to flat\inc

[zenith bridge]

I dont think its possible atm but i usually talk to lizard or bina when there is something missing in the planner so that they can talk to the maxroll guys

[zenith bridge]

I made a falconer because it was more obvious for me with the skill choice. When i finished the char i also felt BD might be the better mastery, but besides UB/Net/SB there arent really more skills that really benefit the build...yet. So i wait for s4 and see what we can adjust.
AA only gives me frenzy and some dodge while inside featherstorm for bossing, nothing major and yes the UB proc doesnt do shit for me since i spam them myself more often

[flint turret]

okat so why no dive bomb then along with shadow gen in smoke

[zenith bridge]

I used dex in the beginning to scale generic %dmg since i was missing alot on the beginning and switched between cold and phys UB version. I came to the conclusion to get chill chance on traitor and stick with phys to get shred blessing and benefit from added phys throw on helmet

So still a bit of testing here and there. I even switched to wall of nothing to gain 1k flat ward, made me more tanky

[flint turret]

and you can also shred with dive

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To be completely honest. I wanted to go away as far as possible from the original UB falc 🤣 so that people dont start compare both setups and think its the same mechanics

The more i play falconer the more i also realized that i dont like the part of the passive tree exclusive to it. So i really think BD will look more interesting with it in s4

[flint turret]

yeah thats what i thought so i was surprised to see falc in the first place, but if you already commited to it, then not using the strongest parts is weird

go MM with HS helm to buff flat and get shrouds then or smth

since you have free skill slots anyway

[zenith bridge]

Hmm i dont think ravager will generate enough shrouds to make it worth the change. Also the flat dmg is just for HS itself with dexscaling no?

[flint turret]

i think it would be decent, they are limited per 2 sec anyway

or maybe not, needs cheking i guess

[zenith bridge]

So thats free armour shred, phys shred and a bit of mana gain. Just checkin what passives are worth it

[flint turret]

conc is decent too

it works now except for bow right?

[zenith bridge]

Conc is still only possible while holding a bow afaik

[flint turret]

wait what, they broke it in another way?

[zenith bridge]

It got confirmed by mike that somehow the dmg bonus only works with a bow

We didnt got information wether they change the tooltip or not

[flint turret]

ah yeah okayi remember now

yeah passives are not that great in this case

[zenith bridge]

But i will switch AA with dive bomb to test it

[flint turret]

dive is too good to pass in this imo

smoke prolongation and dusk stacking is huge

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I could even replace razorboots then

[flint turret]

and you will also cut its cd all the time

and even lower the smoke cd

points for dive tho...

ngl its quite frustrating for me that falconer is so much better at everything still

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I will test it later for sure, thanks for the input so far.
I hope that the gameplay doesnt feel weird by spamming dive bomb all the time. But i see the benefits for sure.
So basically the traversal cd and smoke bomb duration will allow me to stack more Smoke Blades from SB. After the nerf to dusk shroud generation from shadow falcons, how many stacks can you still generate on average?

I havent tested dive bomb after 1.3 nerf