🔪┃rogue

[bold brook]

you didnt ask me but i would say flat

[flint turret]

There is no such thing as a more important or less important element of multiplication

Important to balance it out

[lunar socket]

lol no idea who should I ping, sorry

[flint turret]

For Ds/cascade it's gonna be flat t7 on weapons most likely tho, if it's not throwing obviously

[lunar socket]

I just know dagger build means base crit chance will high but crit multiplier and flat melee damage are what I need more

[bold brook]

lol, dont need to apologize, in my experience multi is easier to come by than flat, which is why I always prioritize flat on my weapons for melee damage builds

All In (and Death's Door if low life) are great sources of crit multi

[flint turret]

Reen alone is 200 multi

[bold brook]

also reen ya

[lunar socket]

oh yeah...

[mighty pecan]

if you convert acid flask to fire does knowledge of immunity get changed as well? e.g. pens fire rez and scales off fire rez

[lunar socket]

lol alright go back to that question... dual one hand swords or dual daggers

[bold brook]

1 sword and 1 dagger for crit chance from Weapons of Choice is great

[lunar socket]

Quite tricky to decide as a bladedancer

[bold brook]

dual swords is good too, if you go 2 daggers you avoid weapons of choice (poison is very bad)

[lunar socket]

Thanks for your reminder

[rugged pollen]

@sage canyon you got a video? i can only get it to 4 stacks

[lunar socket]

Eyes of reen + Velcyn's jaw, my Jesus... I'm flying!

[sage canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjc_KjdsD8M you can see stacks going to 4 and then 0

[rugged pollen]

but that's normal behavior no

[sage canyon]

yess

[rugged pollen]

how do you make it gen stack but not consume

[sage canyon]

each time the stack amount changes you get 5% as, thats a hidden stat no icon for it

its only in char spreadsheet

[rugged pollen]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sage canyon]

you need to open and check your as

[rugged pollen]

yeah

i make the exact same misunderstand the last time i asked about this lol

[eager mason]

the chest is pretty broken

have it on all 3 xdd

[sage canyon]

not as broken as some other primordials imo

[eager mason]

I mean you get like 3k life

and it gives you 6k stable ward

fixes mana and gives all attributes so Im happy

[bold brook]

fixes mana? how does the chest fix mana?

[wide yacht]

rythm should really be 3s btw, it's so easy to lose it for when you just try and avoid a big hit

i dislike it

even then it's necessary to DS

[bold brook]

unless you mean the Shift bonus mana for being low life i guess

[eager mason]

yeah

[wide yacht]

in essence the buff should last enough for you to be allowed to shift and dodge an attack then resume dancing

[rugged pollen]

buff should be 4s

[wide yacht]

in a perfect world yes

[hot copper]

anyone else gonna be playing chakrams? 😄

[flint turret]

chakrams dont really get any exiting stuff tbh

new ll body is okay, dagger is okay, idols boosting body is okay, but nothing game-changing

[graceful notch]

First day Uber down?

[flint turret]

most likely

[pine hatch]

Can beat Uber with DS yet or not

[sage canyon]

lmfaooo

its not a dps skill pepehands

[hybrid marsh]

What is rogues problem with Uber? I remember someone said last season that rogue has a big problem with him but I don't remember and didn't experience it.

Also @eager mason trickster shouted you out as having a good shadow cascade build that killed Uber Abby. Got a link? I'll run it on s3.

[inland yacht]

iirc most builds don't have the damage output for it. it's like you shred him in seconds or can't kill him

[charred current]

Hello the rogue team, does using Dancing Strike gives stacks of Flow?

Like can I get 4 stacks if I just use Dancing Strike

I know it says unique skills, but it's a combo skill

[hybrid marsh]

@inland yacht ah. So its just straight up checkmark check for builds then? "Can you kill Uber with this build?" "Yes or no".

[inland yacht]

that's just from what I understood. take my rogue knowledge with a big spoonful of salt; I only ever play meme shit with this class

[eager mason]

have lowlife and life there https://www.youtube.com/@Potato_LE

[inland yacht]

i'll kill uberoth with selfcast acid flask one day you mark my words

[eager mason]

but I dont have lvling if you are looking for one

[flint turret]

yes it consists of 4 different skill rotation basically

[charred current]

Thx

[flint turret]

i dont think there are any major ones. apart from falconer being op

all masteries could and did clear him with diverse builds

[inland yacht]

wasn't bladedancer by far the lowest kill count, or was that just the first couple of weeks that they were giving out stats?

like I think I remember the first week there was exactly 1 uberoth bladedancer kill. not even "characters that killed uberoth" but one kill count at all

[flint turret]

we didnt have mid or end of a season stats for masteries but at some point yeah bd was at the lowest

[eager mason]

I assume it still is

[flint turret]

but it had at least 4 different builds that cleared him eventually

its just not many people played bd becase falconer was obviously op and mm got a new skill

while bd got nothing going really\

[inland yacht]

my problem with bd has always been how heavily it leans into the combo style and I'd rather unga bunga most of the time

[eager mason]

melee, squishy, and not popular

[inland yacht]

I really want rogue to get more trap synergies. acid flask has a trap conversion node that is basically just a playstyle shift and offers no real mechanical benefit

[flint turret]

it has a great melee synergy potentially but its so undertuned its a joke

trap attach shoulkd at least be per enemy and not a global cd

[eager mason]

made this as an update to ll, if you want stable es I would go astral blood as chest. This is the mapping setup so you would go doom stuff on uber https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjVdNPyB

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (62) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,377, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 226.32, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 63 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 99% / 99% / 61% / 61% / 60% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 275
▸ Dodge Chance: 77% (5557)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 59% (4,307)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 48%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Used skills:

Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Synchronized Strike / Shift / Umbral Blades

[inland yacht]

or this passive node for falconer that mentions all the traps in its alt text, but only triggers on decoy

it's a fun playstyle that only has a little bit of support

i did a frostbite acid trap build and it was pretty okay but there wasn't any way I was scaling it to relevancy late game

[flint turret]

how about fire pen with staff per int and not a single usable staff or skill with it

[inland yacht]

does explosive trap have an int scalar node

or is that the freeze rate per int node

[flint turret]

only freeze

[inland yacht]

yeah it's freeze rate lol

you're literally just getting pen per int. that's not awful but having the rest of your kit not care about int is pretty bad

it's not like the fact that you're using a staff is completely worthless in a vacuum considering most weapons aren't great for scaling throwing anyway. you're just looking for the crit and damage type stats on it

specifically for flask/trap. cinder strike cares about the melee stats you can get on staffs

also gives ward retention for low-life bladedancer 👀

[zenith bridge]

I think the only way to revive Blast Rain Marksman again is to add Butchers Crown and stack 5x T7 mana regen on gear. BR costs 19,4 mana with old tree. With 5x average t7 rolls you can reach around 22mana on hit. If you scale more attack speed you need a bit more regen from mm passive, glove implicit and maybe sapphire rings.

[hybrid marsh]

Thank you. I'll definitely play this for S3. Think I should run HC with this or does that sound like a nightmare? I never played HC SSF and was thinking about it for this season.

[eager mason]

I wouldnt play hc with that version

it doesnt have stable ward so if you go hc I would play with astral blood

[hybrid marsh]

I wanna represent BD in the race to Uber Abby. Lol

[eager mason]

the one above relies on ward on shadow creation

[eager mason]

if you wanna race with bd I would go acid flask

[hybrid marsh]

Oh? I never tried it. I figured BD's speed to map and a bit of luck would be good.

I'm willing to commit to the race if I can get a build to do it with.

I'm just not great at builds and literally just copy/paste whatever trikster puts out because I know he knows his stuff.

Dreadful put me on to trikster lol

[eager mason]

explosive trap acid flask is way safer and more damage

with cascade learning the fight alone takes a lot, and executing it might be a problem in hc

[atomic vapor]

I wonder if trap falc will be sustainable with the nerf to all the crazy mana refund tech

[eager mason]

dive bomb and hunters spoil nerf hurt a lot

[zenith bridge]

🤣 i hope it always turned out good for you and you enjoyed the build.

i usually advice to at least adjust some stuff to your own playstyle

[atomic vapor]

refreshing resolve is like 30% down or something

I know complaining about falconer nerfs is a meme but ideally I'd like a high end build

[hybrid marsh]

Nope. I always default to your OG shadow cascade if nothing looks fun. Lol. I would LOVE if you updated it from 0.9 but beggars and choosers.

[zenith bridge]

i will play shadow cascade again after my league starter. So an update will come

it was also one of my favorite builds

[hybrid marsh]

Ye. I saw the recent video and heard. I'll be sad that I can't run it as season starter. Maybe next season.

[zenith bridge]

tbh, since 0.9 there werent alot of changes for BD. I would just add a couple more uniques to the build. But the core mechanics are almost the same

[hybrid marsh]

Yes. But I watch you for the specific reason that you have the knowledge to really dig into the numbers. Something that I'm not good at. And I assume others who watch your content aren't good at either. So I think that's the kicker. Going deep into the build. At least for me it is. I read every word of those build guides when I find one fun.

[trim dawn]

im surprised that im not seeing anyone talk about just going back to a bleed falconer w/ the new spear. Maybe I'm just cooked, but cant you just get a crazy amount of stun chance and bleed chance on it and have giga dive bombs?

[eager mason]

lizard was looking at it today

[zenith bridge]

thats awesome to hear! writing those guides takes a shit ton of time 😅

[atomic vapor]

we were talking about it a couple of days ago

[trim dawn]

oh lol

especially since you'd be having a crazy amount of bleed chance for your umbrals as well, no? Like the clear would end up really good still

[atomic vapor]

I just hate the idea of building around that spear

[trim dawn]

i mean tbh I think its a fun idea

[hybrid marsh]

im well aware, doing those types of guides is no joke, i used to make guides for older games i used to play a decade ago, thats why i always appreciate the work

[atomic vapor]

comes with the pain of the grind

[trim dawn]

i mean yeah but thats just like

all ARPGs lol

[atomic vapor]

this is kind of a special case

getting the god exalt then hitting 2 removals

pain

[trim dawn]

These games exist as a grind

[atomic vapor]

it's like a layer and a half of extra rng

[trim dawn]

Imprinting will make it much easier though

[atomic vapor]

much easier than completely impossible sure

[trim dawn]

I mean don't you just imprint a double exalt item then spend havoc on them?

[hybrid marsh]

I want a long term perfect roll heaven build to work towards for BD i think

[atomic vapor]

there's a lot to consider. we're talking 2 affixes that you probably want purple in the endgame to mitigate the lack of stats you'll be missing otherwise, a good sealed stat on those slots, and when you finally hit the right purple in the right base with the right purple stats and the right seal, you have to hit 2 removals for like 8 slots

I don't hate myself that much yet

[trim dawn]

Certainly a grind for sure

But tbh i think LE needs something that adds longevity to it

[atomic vapor]

it already is a pain to make a good double t7 for slamming with the limited fp and havocs randomly taking 18 of just for the kekws

you wanna hit the right seal + 2 removals with 40-60fp?

on 8 pieces?

with the right base?

good luck

[trim dawn]

You can base swap now, no?

[atomic vapor]

it takes the slot of hope

[trim dawn]

Oh lol

[atomic vapor]

enjoy your guaranteed fp loss

[trim dawn]

In that case I wish they kept the spear in its original form because its definitely an aspirational item then

But I mean i feel like if you get a 3lp or 4lp spear you gotta build around it

[atomic vapor]

you can argue that you don't have to hit good bases or seals everywhere or whatever else but the problem with an all purple build is that you can not neglect a single affix as opposed to a full unqiue build

falconer isn't immortal anymore

shroud stacking is dead

nothing will keep you alive

[eager mason]

holy this affix is so good early

[trim dawn]

I mean falconer was strong even before they fixed shroud stacking tho

[atomic vapor]

minmaxing the leveling push?

falconer was strong damage wise. to make falconer immortal you have to build into it, it's not sentinel

you need parry t7, probably traitor main hand, brew belt, wall of nothing, seed of ekkidrasil

or well, needed rather

[eager mason]

getting a run in, and trying to learn when Im ready for uber

[trim dawn]

Just throw parry t7 on spear 🙂

[atomic vapor]

hope you destroy arena later again

[atomic vapor]

look I'm not saying you shouldn't try to run this, but you need to realize the grind ahead of you imo

[trim dawn]

I mean im probably just gonna try it because falconer is kinda the only class i enjoy in this game

And I normally burn out in like 3-5 days because theres not much to do

[hybrid marsh]

is zizz doing another uber abby challenge?

or was that only last season?

[inland yacht]

i think that was for last season because it was the introduction of uber abby

[north tree]

if there is anohter uber challenge I hope they make first of each class

so we dont have 40% sentinel again

[inland yacht]

it was also a last minute thing after his dev interview. someone asked if he was gonna do it and he quickly got in touch with a sponsor during his stream lol

[kind atlas]

what are you starting?

[eager mason]

umbral and swapping acid for uber

and idk what after that

maybe chakram

[kind atlas]

bleed umbral start?

[eager mason]

nah just classic shadow daggers for lvling nothing new

looks like Im gonna change the build 3 times in 2 days tho

[deft horizon]

you doing umbral bd or umb'ral falconer?

[eager mason]

falconer

[flint bough]

so in what aspect is sync strike being 2x faster?

like after I use it does it take 1/2 as long to cast shadow cascade or?

[eager mason]

well my luck is gone on league start

[mossy quail]

Dont play falco much, how are the nerfs treating it

Was considering making a slot w it

[cosmic briar]

before they fixed shrouds was broken dive bomb)))

[cosmic briar]

Shrouds limited to 20, CDR procs limited. Probably stil playable as average build, but not something wich will kill uberroth in seconds

[mossy quail]

Welp time to go bleed aura of decay lich then

[cosmic briar]

they arent kill it in seconds tho

if u like falconer playstyle just play it, its stil will be solid starter

if u need speedbosser - well, ye, its time to find/cook something else

but all 3 variants arent speedbossers xD

[mossy quail]

It might tho

Next season drops and we'll see how good it is

[cosmic briar]

they will not. Just no iteractions wich will do billions of damage

They maybe can kill it in a minute, ok, but not in seconds

and u for sure can kill him in 1.5min as falconer. Maybe even faster, idk.

[mossy quail]

Eh I hate clearing uber with a falconeer in my party on one of my computers as the spam makes me rubberband and die unless I play my goat judgement, tho its getting a fat nerf next season too ;-;

No more facetanking uber

[vital ivy]

do you have a planner for this?

[deft horizon]

your talking about aco right?

[violet ledge]

has anyone done the math on the new dancing strikes

how fast can it get

[crimson latch]

Ur My hero trikster. I love You

[undone dune]

just the fact that dancing strikes can get faster at all has me excited

[next gale]

Pretty fast, I tried asking earlier for specifics on animations, and had no luck. Don't know what the max cap is, but the build I'm thinking of going can get down to .21 seconds on the first cast of dancing strikes.

If there's no shenanigans with animation gating it should be around 5 casts/second

[deft horizon]

just did a act 1-7 2hr run. decent time?

[proper robin]

is there a way to play the detonating arrow explosive trap again or anything like that playstyle? i miss it

[deft grotto]

there is absolutely animation gating

i just tested in game with 50% cdr and the full chain only finished 15% faster

[next gale]

How much attack speed did you have?

Main thing I've been trying to figure out is if attack speed matters for how fast the animation/movement finishes

[deft grotto]

attack speed doesnt do anything before patch goes live

and then it will just give cdr

wait, this is just useless

50% cdr and 84% cdr are identical

the cooldown is already faster than the animation at 50%

[deft grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAyn5SUmPM

unless im missing something, this is incredibly disappointing

[next gale]

yea

booted up offline mode with cheats and it looks like its hard capped by w/e the animation time is

It looks like this "buff" is only useful for freeing up 1 or 2 affix slots? on Dancing strike builds.

Im ngl might not even play it anymore.

[next gale]

I was under the impression that it did change the duration of the movement, but that it was just gated by the CD. But maybe I just misunderstood what LE tools and tunklab meant by the delay scaling with atk speed. Either way this looks cooked as it obviously doesn't*.

[flint turret]

We take what we get for making dancing strikes less unpleasant to use

ds is a 4 hit vombo with 4 different skills

they all have cd part in them

some are faster some are slower

[shadow swift]

How many stacks of bleed can ballistae reach?
Can they have super fast attack speed and we can give them bleed chance too, right (like 75% of ours)?

[flint turret]

my understanding goes that CD we get from attack speed will affect that cooldown between strikes and thats pretty much it

[hallow cradle]

Hi, I only started playing a few days ago but did rogue get any buffs or nerfs?

[flint turret]

overall buffs, falconer nerfs

[stable sierra]

@flint turret as corruption increase, wich do you think would perform better, crit cold hs or frostbite hs?

[flint turret]

havent played frostbite hs but crit hs worked okay for me up to 1.5

dot might be better because it doesnt have to dfeal with negative 250-300 res from mourning

i recommend looking into ignite hs this season if you are interested in hs

its looking really good on paper with new ammy

[stable sierra]

Thanks! Next season im gonna go Beastmaster with T-Rex (because T-Rex!)

[flint turret]

hydra bow or idol boosting body might be fun for crit hs

i made a planner for soulgambler crit hs somewhere above

[stable sierra]

Yep, clear speed is insane with my current cold crit hs (tu for your inputs by the way!)

[flint turret]

t-rex might be good with ballistas on rogue too

[stable sierra]

@flint turret I'll look into that, dropped a lot of exalt with ballista lvl

[flint turret]

you are one of the few who plays legacy?

[stable sierra]

Yep, i play solo offline, dont see any reason not to

I can try build and since im not still done with all the content (died a lot in hardcore) im not bored^^

[flint turret]

hc huh... cant bring myself to play it with how often it lags

[stable sierra]

Not in offline mode :p

I probably died only twice cause off bugs

I stopped hc because I play to chill and oftend when tired

So, falconner for ballista trxt?

[night spruce]

eyo fellas

anyone cooked

with buffed dancing strikes?

[craggy talon]

Any of you lovely people have some great starters for BD? Need melee dual wield . keep thinking about shadow cascades . Does Misha ones still viable or any suggestions for other?

[rugged pollen]

for starter? good ol' shadow dagger UB

[proper robin]

anyone know if detonating arrow explosive trap is still viable ?

[zenith bridge]

Last season they nerfed blast rain with a huge mana cost increase, so it was almost unplayable and heartseeker did just everything better. We received a new helmet (butchers crown) which can solve the mana issues for blast rain. So it could be viable again, but takes good gear to work properly. Needs to be tested.

[rugged pollen]

huh

det arrow trap build uses blast rain?

[zenith bridge]

oh the old broken 1.0 DA trapper?

[rugged pollen]

cant be 100% sure but whenever ppl ask that question, usually they came back from 1.0 😂

[zenith bridge]

🤣 true

yea this one should still work but lost alot of dmg. They also added a DA proc limit on explosive trap

[night spruce]

Hmm

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZNbMD1B eh ?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (82) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,794, Regen: 14/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 108 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 65% / 65% / 65% / 65% / 67% / 72%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 978
▸ Dodge Chance: 49% (1877)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,417)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 84%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shadow Cascade / Shift / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb

[proper robin]

thanks, i do want to do the build again thats why i asked but if its hard to get going then i guess it would become a project

[zenith bridge]

Cant really give you the best feedback because it got nerfed so often that i almost forgot about the build 😅

[proper robin]

thats ok im gonna try to give it a go in the next season and try to see how i go

[flint turret]

One of the weirdest nerfs ever. Blast rain da wasn't op, and having 5 da per second limit on top of mana increase makes no sense

Average attack speed is 3 per second so using traps for da is almost useless now, might as well self cast it

And looks like they are not doing anything about it in 1.3 either

[weary widget]

EHG don't put a proc limit on everything challenge: Impossible

[night spruce]

hey @flint turret think dancing strikes buff is any good? With like 282% attack speed granting like 141% more and 141% cdr relative to 93%~ more before should feel substantial nah?

[flint turret]

Anything that makes dancing faster is good. Not having to use cdr affixes on gear is great

It's still not a main damage skill but dancing cascade is gonna shine in 1.3 for sure, both ll and life versions

[night spruce]

what makes you think it cant be a main damage skill?

[flint turret]

Maybe worth trying dancing lm even

[night spruce]

or at least, equal alongside cascade?

[flint turret]

Low amount of multies

Cascade gets 60% of attack speed as more damage, on top of many other "more" increases

[night spruce]

well lets see

[rugged pollen]

number-wise

[flint turret]

Well, everything is relative. Any skill is a DPS skill, but ceiling can differ a lot

[rugged pollen]

if you compare DS to cascade

[weary widget]

Everything is good if your frame of reference is cinder strike

[rugged pollen]

cascade can be mimiced by shadows alone already far passing DS's dps

then come the multipliers

[brittle blaze]

Anyone play poison flask just sending flask though and not traps?

[rugged pollen]

why would you do that tho

[night spruce]

baseline i think dancing strikes has more multis than cascade, shadows have payoff but they also have setup so that's largely offset.

[flint turret]

Hey hey I'm gonna play cinder this season with new ammy, I'm mostly sure I can make it work around 1000 corr, dunno about Uber tho

[night spruce]

I'm interested in cinder strike shenanigans

hit me up with your planner sir

[rugged pollen]

well it's not what me think or you think, it's a fact

[flint turret]

I'm not sure yet but I have a couple

[rugged pollen]

also more than half of DS's more node are global

[night spruce]

please tell me youre planning to do falcon fists

:p

[night spruce]

well, nothing stopping you from running both

[ebon cypress]

That is Mets build for s3

What

[flint turret]

no its all about ignite

[rugged pollen]

yeah that's what im saying

DS is almost perfect as support skill

[weary widget]

Ye, ik, I'm just used to old CS that had half its damage as physical and you'd struggle to see 100k damage on the dummy

[ebon cypress]

Bladedancer great again?

[night spruce]

i think with levels it can compete with other skills

[flint turret]

maybe i can swap out mahelins for falcons tho dunno

need to calculate fow much ignite im loosing

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/3uapl0qa

[ebon cypress]

Or is falconer still 10x more powerful than the other masteries

[night spruce]

ah, wildfire embers?

[flint turret]

yeah

[night spruce]

they did crop falconers top end quite a bit.

[ebon cypress]

Good

[night spruce]

the abuse cases, anyway

[weary widget]

So 1 trillion damage instead of 10 trillion?

[ebon cypress]

Lol

[night spruce]

well, its also less tanky

[flint turret]

or this with sync as mana spender

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1989w0g4

[night spruce]

Let me see your cookin Ragu

[ebon cypress]

Bladedancer time to shine hope it'd meta s3

[night spruce]

Ha, cooking Ragu

I might do a dancing strikes build, i always wanted to see that skill shine more

[wide yacht]

can you ask in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs if this is unintended or that's just how it is to avoid breaking the animation?

[flint turret]

also possible to use LM with cinder and convert bleed to ignite

[ebon cypress]

I remember before falconer rogue had this op build with shade clones and dash

Was so fun

[flint turret]

i really dont wanna go the trap flask spam route even tho i think its the strongest potentially

[ebon cypress]

How does that play

Never seen it

[flint turret]

dancing with cinder is also somewhat possible... arena can help

[night spruce]

eh im more fond of the Hold Dancing Strike key (and maybe Shift/Smoke Screen keys) and forget playstyle :p

[flint turret]

you can do this witch dancing cascade

[night spruce]

yup

[flint turret]

with occasionally pressing sync

[white knoll]

has someone cooked anything with trap + fire flask + new amulet ?

[night spruce]

@flint turret

1. You think you can sustain noticable ward with that belt ring combo and synch strike?
2. Think you could sustain First strike only Cinder? Maybe slap on Flask? By extension, have Cinder be your shadow expender?
   3) how do you intend to scale crit for reen stacks? scrap this question, i guess it doesnt matter

[eager mason]

I have after uber planner but you can get an idea I guess https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bx8jvrmB

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (25) / Bladedancer (56) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,789, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 236.92, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 56 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 373% / 56% / 56% / 61% / 51% / 65% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 558
▸ Dodge Chance: 55% (2200)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,143)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 71%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Used skills:

Explosive Trap / Smoke Bomb / Acid Flask / Shift / Shurikens

[eager mason]

Im not sure about boots can change it to last steps probably

[flint turret]

it was already cooked long time ago in prev seasons, amulet just makes it better

[white knoll]

this node would work right with with new amulet additionaly lol

when conveted to fire

[flint turret]

yes as it already did

[white knoll]

i completly skipped rogue this season

[eager mason]

I made a falconer ignite version before patch notes

but the mana on it got nerfed in patchnotes

[flint turret]

dunno tbh, needs testing. belt at least gives frenzy and ignite duration, ring has okay stats for fire dam. can flex those

[white knoll]

im more into marksman tho

with dragonsong

[flint turret]

first strike only doesnt sound all that good

[eager mason]

oh you want crit?

[flint turret]

i want to stack as much AS as possible which is kinda the opposite

[eager mason]

thats just replacing the amulet on the build there are bunch of crit version

[vital ivy]

thanks, mine is on the same direction

just using wildfire instead of the armor

and probably 2 traitors instead of one

[eager mason]

makes sense

if you are going wildfire you need more lvls

[vital ivy]

and I`m going falconer, I think

haven`t tought about going bd

prabably makes sense for the crit mult

[eager mason]

idk what to do for mana on falconer

you can also go ll and shift on falconer but just go bd at that point

experimental mod is probably not gonna be enough with dive bomb

[vital ivy]

smoke bomb + dive bomb was my bet tbh

[eager mason]

yeah thats what I did last league

[vital ivy]

i saw the nerfs but didn't seen to affect much tbh

but can't find where bd is better for mana regen

[eager mason]

the mana got nerfed in 3 ways

[vital ivy]

or what you did bd for mana, for that matter

[eager mason]

this with lowlife

and experimental mod on belt

from what I tested it looks enough

[vital ivy]

oh, I was using this anyway on falc

might be dumb tho hahaha

but belt mod I wasnt, good call actually

[next gale]

I asked, hopefully they respond 🙏

[eager mason]

the thing about going shift on falconer is if you do that you cant abuse smoke bomb traversal and dive bomb reducing its cooldown

and at that point I would just go lowlife bd

[vital ivy]

hmmmm makes sense

a lot of dmg reduction and crit for low life

[eager mason]

like if you wanna cheese uber with zhp I would still go falconer

it should be the most damage still

but other than that this looks more comfy for me

[vital ivy]

nah, tbh I'm liking bd more

[eager mason]

and I dont wanna press the extra buttons on marksman

[vital ivy]

just dunno how to go low life without the armor

or, while using wildfire

but I like the idea

is the ward retention with the armor just enough to get you to 240 cap?

cause if so that's kinda nutty

1 item slap a shit ton of defence/damage on bd

[atomic vapor]

Is divebomb actually completely non self sustainable?

[eager mason]

close to 2x

[vital ivy]

o wow

link plz

gotta have this saved

hahaha

[eager mason]

if you go last steps as I said

[vital ivy]

but that was a nice idea

[eager mason]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward

[vital ivy]

I mean, I wanna try wildfire first

but if I end up don't liking in or squishy, might be a good call to have this

https://tenor.com/ba6iU.gif

[eager mason]

dont forget to change this at advanced options

[inner musk]

Whats a good falconer build to play?

[pulsar solar]

Has the skill tree node „Phantasmal presence in LM not a icon? I don’t see any buff icon on my bar

[ember canopy]

I'm going to make a throw shuriken build right now

test it to see if it'll work next season

falcon for single damage and shurikens for clear

[cunning mountain]

explosive trap flask thrower

[kind wadi]

So if I want to use Dancing Strikes as a primary do I basically have to lean into DoTs or triggering umbrals from shadows or something... or can I just do big crit hits with it? I feel like Bleed is just the same as poison and most any other DoT in LE which makes it feel bland to me. Is that false?

[kind wadi]

Curious if you get this working well... I keep trying to force Shuriken into a dancing strikes build and it just feels meh, but also missing all the CDR and attack speed from the buffs might be playing a role there

[covert nest]

I'm also considering a dancing strikes build, I'm just not sure which route to go either

[kind wadi]

It feels like you either lean hard into triggering all the things, or else you just brute force it, but I dont know if thats even possible. Like if I go the arena tree and the rhythm tree and just make dancing strikes the main thing, can that even compete? Or its it all just 3rd strike drops a shadow and eventually that shadow drops and umbral that bits for a billion, etc...why not just play umbral or shadow cascade instead.

[covert nest]

Triggering umbral blades from shadows and shurikens was my initial thought, but playing around with Rhythm feels kind of bad. Maybe it will feel better with the CDR from attack speed in the update

[flint turret]

Dancing is better of as a buff skill and trigger skill. It's used mainly with cascade which deals the majority of damage

[kind wadi]

So its just the first attack that matters to trigger shadow cascade? Why wouldnt you just play a shadow cascade build or something else?

[flint turret]

Because you get tons of as from flow, more damage from rhythm, tons of Dr from dancing

Basically you just spam dancing and occasionally sync when you have mana

You can ofc play cascade without dancing whatsoever

But you wouldn't want to play dancing without cascade most likely

Or something else to deal damage with

[kind wadi]

So no real way to just scale crit and actaully do all the damage with Dancing Strikes?

[flint turret]

Everything is relative

Ofc you can do damage with any attack

[kind wadi]

can I kill 300C bosses with it?

without it being a 5 minute drawn out slugfest I mean

[flint turret]

300c bosses can be killed with anything basically if you follow the damage tags for a skill

[kind wadi]

Ok, maybe a misspeak, how about regular Abby, reasonable to kill with DS as the main damage?

[flint turret]

Should be fine I think

Maybe it will take like 2 min?

[kind wadi]

OK so I can get there, just not into Ubers basically

[flint turret]

With cascade added it's 2 min for Uber potentially

[kind wadi]

Didnt like barely a dozen blade dancers kill uber at all last league the first month or something? You think the buff to DS is now a 2 min uber kill...? how?

[flint turret]

It's already 2 min kill in 1.2

And it's getting buffed

[rugged pollen]

the low number of uber kills last season for BD was solely becuase it's just very not popular

[flint turret]

And it was at the start of the season

[rugged pollen]

dont read into it too much about class power

[flint turret]

We don't have end of a season stats

[covert nest]

Dancing strikes scales better with attack speed than normal skills now right? Assuming 100% inc attack speed and 100 dps base, you get 100 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 225 dps, right?

[flint turret]

There was almost no reason to play bd this season. Falconer was op af and all new shiny things went to mm

[rugged pollen]

dancing strikes if you use it as the real DPS skill doesnt scale better than anything

it's ass

[flint turret]

Cascade still gets more damage from as on top of a number other multies that don't exist for ds

[kind wadi]

ok so it definitely seems possible, probably to the top of my list then. How hard are defenses to solve for BD? Just stack the hell out of dodge and get 100% crit avoidance and pray?

[rugged pollen]

dodge,armor, DR

you name it

[flint turret]

Just put on new exang on steroids and it's solved kekw

[rugged pollen]

DO NOT stack the hell out of dodge

[kind wadi]

Im too stuck in a PoE mindset for defenses possibly.

So dont bother trying to get close to dodge cap?

[flint turret]

Definitely not on this build

[covert nest]

I usually try to get the armor from shurikens into my rogue builds somehow

[rugged pollen]

if you let's say get the chance to either get from 70% dodge to 80% dodge OR 1k armor to 3k armor

take the armor

the advantage of a rogue(BD in particular) is you dont need to invest too much in order to get to a respectable dodge chance

instead you can invest into something else

by going allin on dodge you're just throwing that advantage away

[kind wadi]

Ah ok.

[flint turret]

I'd argue with that. Mm and falconer can stack tons of shrouds while all bd dodge comes and goes from perfection or smoke weaver

[covert nest]

do you guys go for melee or throwing cascade on a BD trigger build?

[kind wadi]

I was going to ask if its worth hard investing in any of the shrouds as BD?

[covert nest]

dancing strikes build I mean

[flint turret]

Usually it's melee but throwing works too. Lower damage ceiling but it has its own benefits

[covert nest]

alright

[rugged pollen]

almost everytime i play BD i operate on 80+% dodge without both of those

but might playstyle might not be for everyone

so just put that away

[flint turret]

Then it doesn't have to do anything with bd but rather with high lp dodge gear

[rugged pollen]

with zero dodge gear

[covert nest]

well, I'm going to try the updated dancing strikes out to start out with, I think. It will be fun leveling with it at least

[flint turret]

So, dodge for dex then

[rugged pollen]

that's all you need

[flint turret]

Yeah that's not really bd specific, but okay I got ya

[rugged pollen]

it is

[kind wadi]

are you just piano-ing potions every 4 seconds always?

[rugged pollen]

rogue(bd in particular)

other classes dont have shfit

[covert nest]

so I guess you trigger cascade with dancing strikes, get your rhythm stacks and shadows up and then nuke with a self cast cascade?

[rugged pollen]

you can never self cast cascade

you can sync then DS

[covert nest]

ah I see

makes sense

[rugged pollen]

i can make a gameplay clip if you wanna see what it looks like

[covert nest]

there should be a couple of points to increase rhythm duration on the DS tree 🙁

[rugged pollen]

yeah the duration should be 4s, in line with almost every other temp buff in the game

[covert nest]

I tried playing around with sync strike but I always end up struggling with mana.. maybe it's just a gear issue

[kind wadi]

Id be curious to see if you had something around

[wide yacht]

no you use it as pure support that buffs all your other skills, as ragu said

everything about it helps your full damage potential and defense

[rugged pollen]

record a video, give me few min

[inner musk]

like uber uber farmer?

[small spruce]

What primordial unique would be the best for a blade cascade?

[deft comet]

I did a practice run with this one fresh start to monos, smooth af

[cunning mountain]

uber uber uber destroyer

[next gale]

Its got uh 3? more multis that aren't global, that's not complete ass.

If the skill wasn't animation gated it would be viable as a main dps skill probably.

[white knoll]

yup, really fun and smooth build

[trail sparrow]

best wep with tyrannosaur is tooth right?

[kind wadi]

Yea im wondering if the changes to CDR is enough to fix the animation gates and make it feel good to just use instead of piano it into some other rotation

[next gale]

Its not enough unless they do something they didn't mention in the patch notes as what I didn't know until some other guy tested it in here is that there is effectively 0 difference in casts per minute/second past like 50% CDR. And even with zero cooldowns via offline mode cheats, the skill was still gated like I had 50% CDR.

[next gale]

.

[kind wadi]

Well that is sad. I wonder if there is any chance they fundamentaly reworked something to make CDR matter? It seems like making this buff but it not actually doing anything effectively would be weird.

[flint turret]

Dunno what are you talking about, the difference between 0 and 50 is huge

And 50 mind you is a lot. It's t7+5 on the most competitive suffix slots

[next gale]

"Past 50% CDR"

[kind wadi]

I think its more that you could get to that before, and going past it doesnt change anything

[flint turret]

I have no idea how it gonna perform with 200 cdr but even at 50 it's a big difference

[kind wadi]

yea but 200 CDR requires... 400% attack speed?

or am I missing something?

[flint turret]

It's not impossible

T7 speed swords + flow + buffed dual wielding should be close to 400 total

And you can also get cdr too

So 200 cdr is pretty reasonable, but might be not worth it

[next gale]

The point that was being made was that even with infinite CDR the skill is still limited by the animation to the point that you cast the same amount as if you had only 50% CDR

[flint turret]

84 is not infinite

If it doesn't change at all going to 100-150-200 yeah it's sad. But it's still a buff

[next gale]

I tested on offline with cheats that let you have infinite CDR and it was still the same as the video backpack posted

[flint turret]

Ah it's the same as 84? I see

[deft grotto]

It didn't change from 50 to 84. You can see at 50 that the cd finishes before the animation

And counting the frames, 50 cdr is only 15% faster than 0 cdr

For the full combo

[kind wadi]

thats lame. I wonder if they tweaked something in the animation as part of this buff or if its just DoA

[flint turret]

Well, bottom line its 2 free lp with t7 and t5 cdr slams along some damage buffs to ds

But yeah it could have been better

Considering nothing was done to it since forever while people asked about a way to make it faster all the time, it's a good start. S4 bd changes might build some extra on it

Cascade is already almost op, so I'm not really sure Ds should be made much faster without some changes overall

Making buffs less but direct damage more can be one of those things

[next gale]

I mean they could have literally just cut the animation time in half on the skill and kept the damage numbers as they were and it would have felt better to use and done as much damage as the number buffs they ended up giving it.

[flint turret]

I would have buffed cascade to unethical levels

Ds is all about buffs, and they heavily depend on how fast Ds is

I'd gladly see it reworked in s4 tbh

[next gale]

Still would have done less damage than every falconer build since launch 😆

[next gale]

Agreed

[flint turret]

Falconer in 1.3 is getting some real nerfs for the first time ever

Might be not enough, but at least they are real cuts to falconer power without compensations elsewhere

[paper marsh]

Hi is blast rain marksman still decent?

[north tree]

na but if you find one dont worry they'll nerf it

[cosmic briar]

Weeeeeell

Animation is always client side

Sooo in theory it can be cut off...But this is against EULA))

[floral cypress]

Guys I'm reading patch notes and I'm dumb. Is falconer as nerfed as it seems? Or in only high end stuff?

[ember canopy]

falconer is busted

I wish flurry was good

[north tree]

falconer will probably be just fine, think they got to the highest corruption

in last season

[mortal heron]

Has anyone ever tried a melee ignite cinder strike build, I'm thinking of the new amulet Wildfire Embers and the ruby fang set, stacking fires res for lots of ignite ?

[flint turret]

I'm gonna do melee cinder but with dual reen probably

[hybrid marsh]

okay i just tried to read everything i just missed

looks like we are getting closer to a real cook

im going cascade 100%, which version of BD cascade is the question

if there is no season 2 esque race to uber abby or anything, ill just go regular over HC and race to 100 i guess

gonna play LE till the 4th regardless is my IRL plan

[atomic vapor]

last season's was spontaneous, doubt anyone's hosting anything this time around

[hybrid marsh]

i figured, but theres still hope until launch

[atomic vapor]

not enough time. ziz did it for the introduction of uber last second after a podcast

the circumstances aren't there to justify it

also this season isn't nearly as big

Season 2 was more like a soft reboot

maybe next uber boss

[hybrid marsh]

good arguments, but like i said, 1% chance until launch is still 1% chance until launch

[atomic vapor]

Not trying to kill your dream but yeah, we would've at least heard something

[hybrid marsh]

some people still chase for a 3lp red ring 😛

so, what do we have in the decision list? trikster's 0.9 cascade, ragu's DS cascade?

[pearl forge]

lethal mirage looking juicy with that 120% mana eff

also new crit mult neck

wonder if there are more cool uniques

[flint turret]

I haven't played Ds cascade even tho, so I'm not taking any credits

Misha had a good one I think

[flint turret]

Exang on steroids for LL, flat crit idol boosting body, more melee damage boots are some good flexible ones

[pearl forge]

is there a link with the new uniques let me check

[flint turret]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/uniques?r=new

[pearl forge]

hmm seems neck is kinda the best one

but also who knows

[flint turret]

depending on a build can be pretty sick

but if you can get high multi already its not that op

[ember canopy]

I don't wanna be rude but

every time I open the Skills menu (S) and I look at the screen and I see "Shift"

I read shit

[flint turret]

I used to have the same issue but with cinder strike

[worn oyster]

cinder stroke

Call an ambulance

[flint turret]

No, I was seeing "shit" too

[hybrid marsh]

sorry i meant misha

[next gale]

@eager mason Bro I was watching your Uber Aberroth kill and I couldn't even focus on the gameplay the music was too good, MF Doom is my guy.

[broken barn]

Which Rogue build will be improving for Season 3?

[flint turret]

All of them except for a few falconer ones

[prisma marlin]

That 1 guy on YouTube just had to boast about getting 20k corruption. Now falconer is b tier on maxroll!

[cosmic briar]

check patchnotes

)

[prisma marlin]

I did it looks like sentinel was untouched but rogue nerfed

[hybrid marsh]

lol wtf

[cosmic briar]

Both answers: no

[glass stag]

anyone knows how fast the new sync strike gets? was thinking will it result in more attacks per second with the speed increase?

[zenith bridge]

Ususally i am. But there is so much to test 😅 you could play it with flight of the first aswell. But while playing in endgame, drelkor just felt so good with high attack speed and with the -4mana cost. You can spam MS without needing a mana generator.

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (62) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 3,329, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 230.02, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 65 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 77% / 77% / 81% / 81% / 95% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 69%, Threshold: 1,313
▸ Dodge Chance: 31% (1080)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,185)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Shift / Dark Quiver / Multishot / Smoke Bomb

[inner musk]

Whats everyone league starting on rogue

And what build can i play to pass like 800 corruption

[bold brook]

I will be going Shadow Cascade Bladedancer - going to try and build around Dancing Strikes now that it will finally get get faster with increased attack speed. I cleared 1000 with my Cascade build last season, and its only getting stronger in season 3

[inner musk]

Anything you will recommend i play sygian coal lich and that had alot of chase items

[bold brook]

are you wanting a build with a lot of chase items? or one with less chase items?

my current planner for season 3 doesn't have too many chase items, it really only depends on how hard the new amulet is to get. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK2DMeno

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (71) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 4,511, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 201.51, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 9 Dex / 14 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 87% / 87% / 87% / 136% / 0% / 15% / 20%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,659
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (383)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,632)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Shift / Umbral Blades

[inner musk]

This league i would like to to push a 1000 and hopefully chase the primordials

[bold brook]

chains and null are the only two real late game items -but aren't too late or anything

[inner musk]

I play ssf

So the chase makes till fun

I wanna kill uber abberoth failed at it

https://tenor.com/view/kabangu-upset-annoyed-gif-14814728

[bold brook]

season 2 I didn't really bother with uber, but others killed him with Cascade Bladedancer - so I am hopeful I'll be able to bring him down in season 3 (maybe not with this dancing strikes setup, but I'll try lol)

[inner musk]

Ohhh

I gotta look into this more since it be my first time playing rouge

[umbral comet]

Did bladedancer lethal mirage seen any buffs? Or is it still pretty sadge?

[bold brook]

i know people have had success with mirage - I haven't played it myself though

[bold brook]

looks like maxroll has a lethal mirage build: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/lethal-mirage-bladedancer-guide

[umbral comet]

I know it is viable but really just lacking behind "meta" and unique depending

Just wanted to know if they buffed it a bit atleast

[bold brook]

no direct buffs to mirage, but Bladedancer as a whole got a few nice buffs in the passive tree

[umbral comet]

Thanks

[inner musk]

What build are you playing

[umbral comet]

No clue yet

[inner musk]

Tell me when you find out

We have the same name

[umbral comet]

The new neck for spreading ignite looks sick so I'm debating between heart seeker and blade dancer

[inner musk]

Blade dancer

I havent tried rogue yet

[umbral comet]

I just really don't want to chase chaos balde rolls again 😂 so if nothing new I may as well have fun with the new legendaries

[inner musk]

Yess but high corruption

[umbral comet]

Blade dancer (mirage any way) in my experience is harder to get to high corruption because the high roll on legendaries and mana management

Like I can play that again (which tbf I had fun) or try a meta with new uniques or maybe even a minion build. Farm these uniques with them and then make an alt

[craggy talon]

starter cascade for noob? I'll level with umbrals and then swap for cascades later?

[inner musk]

The thing is i make one character

Yeah cascade looks popula

[wild harbor]

sad that rogue got basically nothing

other than falconer nerfs ofc

watchful eye and sidekick are now kinda irrelivant passives

cuz its just part of the core game now

[round wasp]

rogue used to be my fav class but now it feels, forgotten

[wild harbor]

rogue feeling like how lich used to feel kek

[round wasp]

feels like each mastery is pigeoned to one playstyle, and I'm just bad at dodging hits

waiting for bd come back

[wild harbor]

lol

[flat tree]

Seems like every question but yours got answered.

[atomic vapor]

Me when I asked why no cof changes when stream talked about "getting your items to you" about the topic

[flint turret]

Ngl no new runes prophecies or even changes to rerolls are disappointing

Wonder if anyone on dev team actually tried to farm havocs on cof ever

[atomic vapor]

they all play on the baby mode client no?

[flint turret]

Dunno. But as is it feels pretty bad

[atomic vapor]

Initially I had hope it was one of the things they omitted from the patch notes but cof patch notes are such a joke that there's no way someone didn't think "oh let's mention that as well"

[flint turret]

And you notice it immediately when you start to roll for generic runes blessings

[atomic vapor]

Joining cof gets you your first prophecy tho so rejoice

What a joke

[flint turret]

Yeah it's a meme

[atomic vapor]

Reminds me of last d2r season patch notes

"now 19yo Korean players can play d2r"

Actual real patch notes of a season

[iron needle]

Is anyone thinking about deadly strike build?

[snow ember]

Is there an actual dev source on dancing strikes being limited by animation speed? Lots of questions/suspicions but search isn't finding any yellow names...

[flat tree]

Waiting on a reply in the ask the devs channel

[snow ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAyn5SUmPM

Suggests there is a limit, and it's at or before 50%

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b9dksy/cooldown_recovery_testing_and_skill_cooldown/ Suggests the limit is even earlier, as low as 38-52% attack speed (in 1.3) will cap it

[flint turret]

Wonder where all this interest in Ds comes from tbh. It's the skill almost no one used since forever

Obviously it needs some changes, and 1.4 is the season when devs get back to bd afaik. What we get now is a free bonus regardless of how significant it is.

Making it just straight up much faster just buffs already a super strong build and doesn't contribute to the viability of using Ds as a main damage skill really

[vivid tendon]

Is Acid flask controller friendly does anyone know if its auto targeting?

[nocturne forge]

low life cascade looks super juicy this patch

umbral blades falconeer lost so much dmg lmao

[wide yacht]

it does need a full rework if there's any intent of it being a main damage skill, that measly 33% to 50% does nothing

[pearl forge]

was doing some math and i think t8 LM extra shadows with mana eff is better than that new neck

quite sad you can only have 1 primordial

lets you get so many extra casts

a bit sad it is only 3 extra mirages instead of 4 for no reason

[craggy talon]

@eager mason what build you running almighty slayer?

[thin quartz]

i'll be frank, HS is just a better version of MS.
and you not using Nightbringer for MS is a crime of its own.

[flint turret]

I'd love to see a skill overhaul for sure

S4 waiting room

[rugged pollen]

Wait is it today or tmr?

[deft grotto]

For me at least, I always thought it was a cool skill but just too slow. Seeing the patch notes without testing probably made a lot of people think it would now scale with attack speed infinitely like every other attack

[flint turret]

Makes sense kinda. I knew that cdr affects only delays between strikes but yeah for people reading the patch notes it's not obvious

[tranquil nova]

I‘m pretty sure it was a good skill with controller iirc 🤔

You could boot up the game in true offline mode and test it real quick 🙂

[vivid tendon]

okay thanks, ill take your word for it seeing as i dont have time atm

[hybrid marsh]

today is the day we lock in boys and girls

LL shadow cascade for BD is the answer?

[flat tree]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[pastel timber]

Shadow dagger Falconer > monolith empowered > heartseeker Marksman is the plan

[eager mason]

starting umbral and swapping to acid flask for uber

[craggy talon]

appreciated you and good luck!

[eager mason]

tyty to u2

[craggy talon]

iam not gonna be fast as you too old but cheers 😄

[deft comet]

explosive flask trapper looks like its gonna kill uber abby comfy

[urban mesa]

hihi, which t8 or primo unique should i use for Ballista? Or falc ballista dead in s3? 😕

[ember canopy]

I've never played a bow build before

I think I'm gonna give it a shot

tempted to go falconeer with it but 50% increased bow damage from ranger class is a lot

[snow ember]

50% increased is peanuts

[ember canopy]

actually the right side of the marksman tree is pretty damn good

yeah i'm gonna go marksman

I'll miss the falcon but it is what it is

[deft comet]

depends on which "bow build" you want to do

because there are bow builds that just equip bows but not use them lol

[ember canopy]

I have absolutely no idea what i'm doing but it's def gonna be elemental

[deft comet]

you'll definitely enjoy heartseeker. pretty chill

[ember canopy]

✍️

[wispy kayak]

so best rogue build will be "ZHP"?

so no high corruption?

[deft comet]

in case you don't know, ZHP ballista have been destroying high corruption for multiple cycles now.

[wispy kayak]

oh nice, never played rogue

does it do Uber Abberoth good?

[deft comet]

didn't follow its Uber Abberoth progression just because there other rogue builds that do like 20-second Uber

[wispy kayak]

oh

[fallow verge]

Heya, does "more damage" from a skill, like dancing strike, with attack speed boost Shadow dagger damage proc from this one ?

[cobalt mantle]

No

[fallow verge]

ty

[flint turret]

Dunno, maybe tyrannosaur?

[nova oak]

Does a skill need to be directly casted for a shadow to imitate it?

[flint turret]

Depends

[inland yacht]

already debating what I wanna try with rogue this season after my other stuff. might revisit elecoe cold flask just because I like the skill

[nova oak]

Here’s my use case: Dancing strikes proccs shadow cascade via a node, will that shadow cascade proc automatically allow my shadows to use it as well?

[flint turret]

They will

[nova oak]

That’s so cool thanks

[hybrid marsh]

I was thinking, is corruption pushing and arena pushing the same? I never messed with arena, was thinking of doing LB long term. by "the same" i mean build wise. IE: corruption pushing/speed farm/boss kills are all different builds, where does arena builds equate to?

[slim lion]

How long maintenance is done guys ?

[ember canopy]

just depends on what you find most fun tbh

[rugged pollen]

Different

The bottleneck for corruption pushing is shade fight

Arena is kinda like fast farming

But more survivability

And more short burst damage/clear

And(in reality) bug/brokenness abuses

[hallow cradle]

Server is down till the league start

[tired pelican]

hey guys I'm swedish and would love to play on launch with someone, I dont mind speaking english but preferably someone close so the lag doesnt hit too hard, please dm if ure down

[cyan wren]

So whats best build for Rogue next season? I assume Razor Bleed Falconer got gutted?

Or is it still be first build to kill Uber Abby?

[ebon cypress]

Best build for s3?

For all Rogue

[crimson latch]

None

Tier B class

So sad

[glass stag]

is there still cascade snapshotting?

[bold brook]

there were no changes in the patch notes that would indicate the Careful Assault snapshot being removed

[sage canyon]

clueleas

falconer, acid flask,cascade and hail all top builds

[somber cargo]

Thought they nerfed falconer

[sage canyon]

bleed still good

and even nerfdd ver still op compared to the rst of the game

its just falconer mains have 0.5 braincells

[serene crane]

So how does BD look for the new cycle?

[idle heron]

any direction on cascade builds?

[flint turret]

Slight buffs here and there, decent amount of primo options

[small spruce]

Would the new primo dagger be good for BD, or is traitor’s tongue still bis?

[sage canyon]

all the same as before but now super tanky with new LL chest imo

[devout python]

Did they finally nerf Recurve shot Marksman? I made a build myself last season and it was like 1000 time superior to any other build

Like, the arrow hitting 300 time in a second

Fun as hell, but c'mon lol

[flint turret]

Unlikely that it's going mainstream. Can be decent for throwing crit builds tho

Maybe falconer can have a use for it too

[flint turret]

Kinda weird question. Heartseeker was probably one of the weakest skill in meta just because it's new. All rogue masteries have much stronger skills as a main damage source

[somber cargo]

Thinking about trying out a new class this cycle. I’m really into high agility — lots of jumping around the screen and using movement to push my character’s potential as much as possible. Do you guys think Rogue is the best pick for that kind of playstyle, and if so, which mastery should I go for?

[devout python]

That's, uh, just not true. I'm not a pro or anything, but my Hearthseeker build (which was mostly just stacking dex and crit) was the best of my... 15 other builds? I was clearing empowered mono like 100 time faster than my paladin (which was already really strong), my warlock, or even my falconner.

Cast hearthseeker, watch everything melt

It was a right click build

Like, the dps difference was absurd

It was like I was playing another game 😄 And I've been playing epoch for years

Not complaining eh, I'm just surprised by the reaction

I thought it was the general consensus that the skill was broken 😄

[zinc trellis]

At what corruption?

[flint turret]

I haven't said anything about paladin or warlock tho, I'm talking about rogue. Feel free to disagree but it's just a fact that hs itself is pretty bad compared to other rogue skills that were in meta

[devout python]

Oh, really low. I only play early empowered mono. Maybe it's bad if you push high corruption? I usually switch build after level 80

So yeah maybe I should correct : I feel like hearthseeker is broken in lower corruption compared to most other builds. Maybe because you don't need high gear to make it work, no idea

[devout python]

I tried a bladedancer, which was okay but nowhere near hearthseeker damage in term of raw dps. Also stacking dex and crit, flurry

[zinc trellis]

Yeah HS doesn't clear very well 200c+, most of the meta builds seem to use it more as a support skill. It's not overpowered, but it isn't bad either. It's probably one of the more balanced skills in LE

[devout python]

they why does it feel so strong

I was clearing normal mono faster than I ever did :3

by right clicking

pure glass canon tho

Like uh, compare hearthseeker to a marksman using puncture

[flint turret]

Try shadow cascade or trap flasks

[devout python]

I had fun with shadow cascade bladedancer! But it was much slower than hearthseeker :/ Maybe I did it wrong mind you

I only play my own builds, so sometime I just discover a build that does like 100 time more dps than anything else and I'm all surprised 😄

Maybe hearthseeker is just easier to build so there's that

[flint turret]

Well I'd say that cascade deals at least x3 DPS over heartseeker

[obtuse ledge]

Heartseeker has a unique issue in scaling where, as soon as you don't one shot enemies anymore your damage drastically fall off. So the ceiling for it in monos is much lower than other builds, even if it's faster in lower monos

[flint turret]

Probably more

[devout python]

That makes sense!

[devout python]

What do you use with shadow cascade as a main skill? I've tried Dancing Strike/Lethal Mirage/Shift to trigger Shadow Cascade, and it was okay, but the dps was really meh even in normal monos

Or do you just spam shadow cascade

[small spruce]

Ah okay ty! What primos are interesting for SC?

[zinc trellis]

i think the most popular way to proc shadow cascade is via sync strike but i could be wrong

[devout python]

I've never tried Sync strike. The feeling of the skill always put me away

It's so slow

[zinc trellis]

sync strike seems the most consistent way of getting a bunch of shadows out

[flint turret]

Its pretty flexible. Both dancing and sync are getting buffed in 1.3 . Misha had a good one with dancing if you look through this thread

[devout python]

I like pew-pew skills you can spam really fast (eh this is probably why hearthseeker is my fav)

I'm definitely looking forward Dancing Strike scaling with attack speed

[flint turret]

Low life body, flat crit idol boosting body, t8 body damage for shadows, maybe crit amulet and dagger(for throwing cascade). Non primordial melee boots are awesome too

Maybe damage conversion amulet is okay too for easy defences fix

[flint turret]

It's probably not what you think it is. It's basically just adding you like 40-50 cdr for free. You can check how current ds works with 50 cdr and it will be pretty much the same

[devout python]

Ew. I was expecting... Faster animation

[flint turret]

Nothing changes about animation it's just the delays betweens strikes are affected by cdr which is given for free

[devout python]

Yeah it's probably not my cup of tea, as a speed lover

It will still "feel" slow

compared to flurry or hearthseeker

[wide yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAyn5SUmPM

this is the max speed you can expect ingame

[devout python]

Thanks

(Meh lol)

[wide yacht]

at the very least, if for some reason making the animation faster isn't possible (maybe because it breaks if it's too fast) then rythm stacks and such should be way longer

[next gale]

does anyone have a link for the new 2handed bleed dive bomb falc plannner?

[flint turret]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[craggy talon]

so with cascade you stacking physical dmg opposite to umbrals with shadow dagger where you need crit multi correct?

[flint turret]

In both builds you stack both

[craggy talon]

so physical dmg and crit multi? thank you!

[flint turret]

Yeah they are just separate multipliers. And armor shred, and res pen too

[craggy talon]

iam trying mishas version but not sure if iam too lazy and make my own? his looking great but farm gear might be issue

[toxic goblet]

is the world splitter got nerfed ?

[flint turret]

Cascade is very flexible and can be played in lots of different ways

[rotund plover]

whos excited

[toxic goblet]

cant choose what to play

[next gale]

it snapshots everything no?

[vivid tendon]

how painful is it to straight up level with acid flask?

[cosmic briar]

And can I ask, on wich corruption?

Before rolled to falconer I played cold HS, and yes, it was comfy as fk, but as soon as u came to even 100+ corruption, u started to feel like your damage is not enough

Huh, guys already told that, ya...

[rugged fern]

Hello there, I played Heartseeker Marksman till like level 58 or smth. How is it doing in the later stages of the game?

[bold brook]

Careful assault is the only one I know of

[rugged fern]

I am pretty content with what I have now but dunno about the rest, as I'm a newbie to the game

[cosmic briar]

Heartseeker is just a good skill wich devs don't like, idk how to name it better xD

[next gale]

12 paragraphs for minion lovers though!

[next gale]

From what I was testing a couple minutes ago it seemed to not be the node snapshotting, but the skill itself

[pastel timber]

Heartseeker was good at mono target, now with the new unique wildfire Embers, it could probably be a beast at everything

It's definetly what i'm going to try first this league

Burn 'em all

[whole magnet]

Same

Package seems op

Also survivability with the ward ring

Just hope that not many play it so we can buy cheap gear 🙂

[craggy talon]

@bold brook bro why keep recommending falcon fists lol everywhere? not even worthy lol

[uncut crown]

Guys with the removal of snapshotting does that mean shadow cascade can't have its damage stored anymore for dancing strikes and shift?

[tired pelican]

hey swede here, i'd love to play with someone on launch even if not swedish just tryna keep the servers close

[minor locust]

What's wildfire embers?

[pastel timber]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgzALATArEA

[minor locust]

Holy Ignite

[pastel timber]

but I don't want to bait you with league start, could be good, could be bad, we have no data from now

[flint turret]

I don't really see how it can turn out bad. It's baseline better than current ignie anyway

[vital meteor]

Any changes made to bow builds making them viable? Or am I gonna be playing balista zhp one more season?

kinda want to play a zoom zoom that can tank a bit this time around

[rotund plover]

have u ever had fun playing that?

[wispy kayak]

ill be playing it firs ttime

[bold brook]

Flat melee + attack speed + easy LP, if you can't see how that's great for Shadow Cascade j don't know what to tell ylu

[flint turret]

Compared to what period?

[wispy kayak]

i usualy plya mage but its just too weak now

and i play MG so thats getting more dumb each season

Gonna be Rogue now

[flint turret]

Haven't heard about mage being too weak yet I think

[wet ginkgo]

Can't decide between acid flask and ballista falconer, looking at a speed farming build that can do some bossing as well, can't find much for this season on falconer

[vital meteor]

I think I skipped last season

[vital meteor]

uh yeah, every time, until pushing very high corr and gameplay became, if you dont one shot everything in screen, you get one shot

[rotund plover]

lol falconer will still be god tier

every time they try nerf falconer they end up buffing it

[flint turret]

Ah okay yeah then definitely go mm. Tons of good stuff that heartseeker provides itself and enables in other skills

[wet ginkgo]

Ballista or flask ?

[rotund plover]

all

[vital meteor]

what build? Hail of arrows? Neverplayed mm only falco

[flint turret]

Heartseeker crit, dot. Hail with hs support, trap-flasks with hs support

[wispy kayak]

it has no meta build killing uber abberoth under 30sec, or even 2min

slowest dps

[vital meteor]

aight I'll jump into the planner, got any references to look at?

[flint turret]

Oh no... Anyway

[vital meteor]

heartseeker was historically very mid lol

[wispy kayak]

10x lower dps, how fun when doing MG

not

anyway. Rogue meta will be ballista?

[flint turret]

Wdym historically? It's a skill we just got in 1.2

[eager mason]

you already know people are gonna complain when falconer is the fastest character even though there will be way more broken stuff :xdd:

[vital meteor]

Didnt play the season bc I was playing poe/poe2 i dont remember, but I was looking at streamers and such

or am I mistaking it with another thing? idk I think im not

[craggy talon]

ur shadow cascade build Will.be enough hahah

[vital meteor]

in the rogue category I find it hard to believe there will be something more broken than flaconeer ballista or falconner blades or falconeer potato

based on my past leagues

[flint turret]

im not an expert but...

[vital meteor]

ngl im looking at mm hail of arrows hs, and I can already think of this build working better on falconeer zoom zoom

[frosty dune]

hello can someone explain me why this into a shadow dagger build double the damage ? cause the most of the armor effetcs are useless

[eager mason]

yeah I guess in rogue its still has the most damage

but Im talking in general

especially streamers love to complain about falconer/shadow daggers

eventhough shadow daggers is mostly a lvling build at this point

they have ptsd from beta

[vital meteor]

last epoch big viewer streamers are not really good at arpgs

[vital ivy]

Sup, got a planner for leveling with umbral? Haven't used the skill yet

[wispy kayak]

yeah that took frozen sentinel over 2min in THIS patch, that was my reference. so best mage player and best geared in the world, still very very slower than all other classes.

i already did low dps last season so ill play zpds ballista this time

[eager mason]

terek should have one

[vital ivy]

YouTuber or smth?

[flint turret]

holy, you have dig up some ancient relic it seems? isnt it like 3 years old? It probably means having t7 pen itself, and not a body

[pastel timber]

wings are good for "less damage taken while moving", the double damage is due to the tier 7 increased shadow daggers effect added as Legendary potential

[vital ivy]

Don't know who that is, sorry haha

[vital meteor]

oh non rogue related but, I heard they have made changes to coc and mg, I always like trade but there were always gold dupes, how was it last season?

[cosmic briar]

it was on paper

[eager mason]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/falconer-leveling-guide

[cosmic briar]

in reality best time i found for that build was around 1.5min

[frosty dune]

haha yeah i will try a shadow dagger build for next season thats why ^^

[wispy kayak]

it was terrible last season imo

[frosty dune]

oh okay thanks guys

[wispy kayak]

after imprint nerf

[flint turret]

go falconer then or bd with SD Lm setup

[wispy kayak]

but this season it might be good better price match

and imprint unerfed i think?

[frosty dune]

yep

[craggy talon]

lm?

mirage?

[vital meteor]

Hard to sell stuff, many gold dupes pumping prices, or coc being overall better and easy to get builds online?

[lofty forge]

So, does anyone know is velocyns jaw a primordial unique?

nvm i think i found it

[flint turret]

yes

[lofty forge]

stupid question, why is explosive trap not even on the tier list on maxroll?

[eager mason]

trap acid flask is there

[lofty forge]

did acid flask get reworked? i was tinking vels jaw with explosive to spawn flasks that way i got tri elemental + poisons going,

and volca build guide has a bow on it, so i clicked the x

[flint turret]

Shadow cascade bd and lm bd same b tier what a joke

[hybrid marsh]

Today is the day. Trikster 0.9 build still the best cook at BD cascade?

Y'all know how I feel. Ninja shit or bust.

At least until he updates it like he PROMISED ME. 🫨 🫨 🫨

@zenith bridge when you update it and you need help with the editing and work behind it let me know and I got you.

[flint turret]

He's playing ignite hs first so itll probably take awhile

[hybrid marsh]

I know.

[flint turret]

I can let you know how my stupid cinder cascade ignite will go tho

And cinder melee traps attach

[craggy talon]

brother trying the same. I'll do potatoes and trikster together kinda. Just gonna stack crit multi melee etc and we go high haha

[flint turret]

Looks like bd is getting somewhat popular again even before 1.4 remake

[mental perch]

Anyone have the trikster hs wildfire planner on hands

[eager mason]

yeah nice to see

[craggy talon]

https://youtu.be/Gmt1rdz9LNA

[eager mason]

also ehg not saving everything for the rework is nice

[hybrid marsh]

Potato is doing what BD? DS?

[craggy talon]

falconer in to acid

[hybrid marsh]

Ah. That isn't BD. Lol

That's mm into falconer

[craggy talon]

we getting remake?

[hybrid marsh]

Sorry. Trying to keep track of what everyone is going in my head. I just know someone is going DS I think ragu. Then we got cinder cascade, mm into falconer acid flask balista. And outside of that it goes down from there right?

[zenith bridge]

thx i test marksman stuff first with wildfire, hydra bow and maybe some truesight amulet shenanigans. Then i switch to bladedancer.

[hybrid marsh]

Yea. I've been watching your videos. I see your cooks.

[hybrid marsh]

But like we were talking about it the other day. I am very aware of the work behind the builds so I was just offering the help if you needed it. Especially since it's in my best interest.

[zenith rivet]

Does anyone know if Truesight amulet works with Shadow Daggers? Im guessing it goes off your personal crit chance and not the skills crit chance, right?

[mental perch]

Do we know how easy it is to get specifically the amulet?

[flint turret]

Devs confirmed it works and you need just 40% because sd is already 100%

[zenith bridge]

nope, i only saw that we can buy it from the new npc. But no clue how long it takes to get the materials

[flint turret]

I don't think it's the best option for sd tho

[mental perch]

Going dragonsong until then?

[zenith bridge]

if i find it 🤣 last league i had 1lp RoW before i dropped dragonsong

[mental perch]

Huhhhhhh

[zenith bridge]

but a regular dreadthorn bow will do the work aswell

[mental perch]

I just ascended it before I hit mono 😂

[zenith rivet]

thanks, i will give it a shot at some point and see for myself. Really liked Shadow daggers but unfortunately they kept getting nerfed 🙁

[flint turret]

They are overall buffed compared to long time ago

Only bladestorm was nerfed but no one uses it anyway any more

[hybrid marsh]

Screw it. Ragu you got the DS cook going right?

Hit me with your cook if you want someone else to run it with you.

[flint turret]

I had some but I'm unlikely to do it in 1.3. I'm going melee cinder and anything else I can make it work

[hybrid marsh]

Ah. Okay.

I thought you were going hard math on the attack speed for DS stuff.

[flint turret]

There is nothing to math about it. We don't care about Ds damage because it's just a buff and a trigger

It doesn't become faster with as

Only cdr. And it's capped at like 50 cdr as someone found out

[zenith bridge]

this i still want to test

[flint turret]

Well yeah it will be obvious because you will get like 200 cdr for it

[craggy talon]

what to picked instead of bladestorm then.

[vital meteor]

Ey Trikster, I was watching your vid on hs mm you uploaded 4 days ago, very good job going over everything, great content there pal, got me some ideas

[flint turret]

You still get it but use explosive umbral in addition

[craggy talon]

got ya

[flint turret]

So it doesn't stay in place but rather seeks and explode

[vital meteor]

So they added a way to change ascensions last season, or I totally missed it 2 leagues ago? lol

[flint turret]

Last one

[vital meteor]

aight that opens up posibilities for season starter lol, is it cheap to do so? I might start bd or falconeer sd, swap to hearseeker and then at end game maybe try some falconeer stuff

[flint turret]

I can drop you 650 flat damage falconer if you want something unusual. Going to it's roots to 1.0 kinda

Or soulgambler hs

[craggy talon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/3Apyx7JQ

this trikster build. anything you would change to make it better as starter?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0

Class:

Rogue (41) / Bladedancer (72)

General:

▸ Health: 2,294, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 103, Regen: 16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 28 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 72% / 74% / 61% / 78% / 88% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 459
▸ Dodge Chance: 24% (806)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (838)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Shift / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Smoke Bomb

[flint turret]

Add 0lp tongue for example

[cloud pendant]

guys, question, what killed the detonating arrow trapper build again?

[pastel timber]

dev