🔪┃rogue

[bold brook]

i worry about mana sustain though, umbrals help with that

[flint turret]

i see

[bold brook]

if mana ends up fine i will def go shuriken

[flint turret]

well you have at least 3 free lp on rings you can get some mana regen there

[north tree]

anyone wish they changed the color of prim uniques/exalts?

im in favor of cranberry sauce color

[bold brook]

at least a slightly different orange would've been nice

or a yellow maybe

[flint turret]

this new boots are so good for cascade even tho they are for flay

[eager mason]

yeah

Im probably gonna cascade again this season

[bold brook]

52% multiplier on high health is so good on any melee build honestly

[eager mason]

with those boots, dualwield and sync change

should feel very good

[flint turret]

and passives buff

[eager mason]

yeah 1 more affix free I guess

[bold brook]

thanks for the help Ragu, always appreciate it

[eager mason]

I didnt play the dancing strikes version, dont you need cdr?

[bold brook]

with new patch dancing strikes gets cdr based on attack speed

[north tree]

scales with Attackspeed

[eager mason]

hmm

[flint turret]

yeah thats another buff to cascade

[flint turret]

btw you can get dancing levels on relic you will be able to get more arena nodes in dancing

and less damage overtime

and 1 point in dagger dance in cascade

for more proc of shred and whatever

shadow on kill is good too

[covert nest]

I was already planning building around dancing strikes, but more of a throwing build and using dancing strikes for rhythm, shadows and shuriken procs.

[flint turret]

you can make cascade throwing too

[covert nest]

yes, was thinking of that, but not sure

[flint turret]

you can also use it on MM and use throwing HS with it

to buff throwing even more

but dancing is probably a better buff overall

[covert nest]

umbral blades and shurikens automated with dancing strikes is so cool

umbral blades from expired shadows that is

[flint turret]

dancing should feel much betetr now since we are basically getting 100% cdr for free

at 200 as which is quite possible

[vital ivy]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPb9aZzQ

first time pobing, any tips are welcome

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (24) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (55)

General:

▸ Health: 1,853, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 27 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 183% / 65% / 11% / 11% / 65% / 21% / 26%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 649
▸ Dodge Chance: 32% (1101)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (528)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 20%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Explosive Trap / Falconry

[vital ivy]

haven't bothered much with LP, but basically throwing damage with reduced mana cost

not sure about the weapon tho

and stack fire res for acid flask pen and wisp ignite chance

i think 500% ish fire res is possible

[novel rune]

i feel like whatever i play, i want it to use bleed or ignite prolif

seems real cool

[rare tide]

Any good ranged rogue builds that is good for league start and scales well to end game?

[novel rune]

i also like that they function differently instead of being copypaste

[novel rune]

heartseeker

[rare tide]

I played heart seeker this league, beat abberoth, but squishy and normal monolith mobbing is painful

[novel rune]

maybe some cool bleed variation with puncture pops and bleed prolif will come up

could make clear a lot smoother

[rare tide]

cool ty

[vital ivy]

there is a bleed prolif source?

[flint turret]

New gloves

[novel rune]

its not 100% chance but good enough

specially when it comes to hearkseeker and its punctures

something will explode

(idk if that is the optimal way of playing bleed on rogue but who knows)

wouldnt be surprised if bleed falconer is still best bleed build for bossing, and the gloves would def help with clear

[vital ivy]

oh the explode gloves

one might say it's better than prolif tbh

[zenith bridge]

I also dont like that bleed pop is on gloves. Takes away alot of dmg from salt the wounds crit multi scaling.

[vital ivy]

if you convert poison > bleed or vice versa, you get 100% crit multi to the dot?

haven't used salt before

or does people use both poison/bleed?

[rugged pollen]

nope it doesnt work like that

the bonus only applied once

after conversion

[vital ivy]

hmmmm ok

makes sense

dots have their own base damage, right? so using +bow damage or smth doesn't change the dot damage

[flint turret]

yep

[vital ivy]

was thinking salt + the new bow, could be a good "auto bomber" but eh

[novel rune]

man, lowlife acolyte could get pretty beefy

[flint turret]

new bow is kinda dissapointing ngl

[novel rune]

i already forgot what it does so xd

[vital ivy]

tri elemental, cast when evade per dex

the base and the affixes doesn't combine much, it seems

[flint turret]

well, depending if it snapshots the las tattack or not, it can be decent

[graceful notch]

Dev don't like ranger

[vital ivy]

you mean, if you can use 1 attack and keep evading eternally?

or actually snapshot the set you're using?

[flint turret]

with dark quiver consuming 3 shadows for 300% more damage if you can repeat this attack 3 more times it sounds pretty good

[north tree]

Im trying hydra bow with mana stacking HS but compare to fire ammy seems worse

[vital ivy]

comfy to play tho

[flint turret]

especially coupled with crystal quiver

[north tree]

Yep

[flint turret]

i dont think it would work like that tho

but def worth checking

[north tree]

Was going to try bottle lightning since potion = evade charge

[vital ivy]

wait, isn't this one primordial?

it isn't, holy

[flint turret]

new +2 amulet isnt primordial either

and has lp lvl 50

[deft horizon]

is there a trapper build as a starter?

[trim dawn]

team

i havent looked at the patch notes yet

falconer dead or nah

[flint turret]

nah

[trim dawn]

wait i havent looked at literally anything but i just saw LE tools items, is this not absolutely insane?

[flint turret]

how?

having to use t5 magic items instead of t7 legendaries to boost a weapon a bit

[trim dawn]

they dont have to be t5 magic items

[novel rune]

specially with LP being so free now

[flint turret]

wdym

[trim dawn]

i just read a post from EHG people saying an item with 2 T7 affixes as the only affixes would count

[flint turret]

was it ehg who said it or people

[trim dawn]

lemme go back and find it again

[flint turret]

because having a single t6 affix on an item already makes it exalted

[novel rune]

pretty sure it stops being a magic item and becomes exalted item, when you got even one t6+

even if the item has nothing else

[flint turret]

yeah

[earnest moth]

EHG said it, it also doesn’t take into account sealed affixes. So you can have sealed affixes and 2x T7

[deft horizon]

EHG justin said it in a forum

but mike tested it in game

[novel rune]

thats weird wording then

[deft horizon]

they are looking into it

[novel rune]

because magic and exalted are whole different tiers

[flint turret]

okay it makes it not entirely terrible then

[earnest moth]

It’s already been nerfed. It was up to 35%

[rugged pollen]

apparently ehg themself doesnt know how it's supposed to work lol

[trim dawn]

more than not terrible, no? You could get a giga flat damage and flat crit and then easily hit 100% crit and high base damage

[rugged pollen]

mike answered and deleted his anwsers several times regarding that

[weary widget]

Max you can get is 225%, which could give you 334% attack speed, or 702 flat melee

[trim dawn]

702 flat melee seems bonkers

[flint turret]

i can already tell you that 99% of people wont commit to building all items in a particular way just to be able to use 1 weapon

[trim dawn]

downside is i dont know what you'd use a spear with on faloncer but it is what it is

[trim dawn]

well yeah, it's just like adorned in PoE

[flint turret]

it can be pretty good for glass cannoin builds tho

[trim dawn]

most people dont use it, but it allows for some insane minmaxing

[weary widget]

Plus and additional 216 flat if you're using something like rive

[novel rune]

still for each proper exalt/legendary you sacrifice, you gain what, 2.5% incr melee attack speed, 1.5% movement speed, +24.25 melee dmg and 9.75% melee crit multi

assuming the base stats are affected too

[trim dawn]

they are yes

[flint turret]

i dont mind it being op tbh because of how much harder it is to build into it

[novel rune]

the amount of flat you get seems nice but outside of that it isnt much

for giving up so many affixes

[trim dawn]

again I think it could be absolutely crazy. Problem is finding the right build for it

[flint turret]

yeah i dont see anything crazy about it still

[weary widget]

personally I'd only build it if I had a 3lp with a triple t7 or something

[trim dawn]

ehh, I mean with the way LE gets at incredibly high corruption, your suffixes end up not mattering anyway

[flint turret]

getting rid of 5 legendaries in slots to boost a weapon x2 doesnt sound all that great

[trim dawn]

well most of them

[novel rune]

oh yeah, i did forget about LP on this item specificly

you can get a lot more flat per item sacrificed

[trim dawn]

i mean for instance couldnt this be absolutely cracked for that bleed falconer build

[flint turret]

as we can see devs are trying to battle super high corruption builds

[trim dawn]

ive never played it so im not sure

[novel rune]

446% dmg over time for minions with max roll t7, +112% per magic item

[trim dawn]

i was thinking the % bleed chance as well, no?

[novel rune]

that would be 52% per magic item

[warm ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsoZgNiA

Sooooo is this gonna be insane for rogues? The ward on dodge doesnt seem to have a cooldown. Just stack an insane amount of dodge chance and maybe ward on hit and youll just have tons of ward EHP?

[rugged pollen]

err no

[flint turret]

it looks awesome for sure

[rugged pollen]

the armor can be potentially very good

but not for the ward on dodge

[flint turret]

yeah flat crit+ lots of dodge+double idols is whats carrying it

we already had ward trail belt for dward on dodge and no one used it

[trim dawn]

whens the LE patch out lads

[warm ridge]

How so? With the rogue's ability to get really high dodge from skills/passives/stats, youd think the ward on dodge would stack super fast

[rugged pollen]

dodge is a safety net for you

[stable sierra]

@flint turrethttps://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yRMZLo

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (30) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (60) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,913, Regen: 22.25/s
▸ Mana: 153.5, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 59 Dex / 1 Int / 20 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 99% / 150% / 115% / 136% / 84% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 27%, Threshold: 383
▸ Dodge Chance: 32% (1034)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,181)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation: 9% (54)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 32%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 58%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap / Shurikens / Shift

[rugged pollen]

not something you actively tryna do u know

you dont jump into 3 billion monsters just to be able to dodge

[flint turret]

yeah i agree

[trim dawn]

the short and sweet version is if you're relying on ward from dodge to get hit, it means you weren't expecting to dodge anyway. It's just a nice little bonus and nothing else

[flint turret]

if you want tons of ward better look at the new exsang on steroids or this

[stable sierra]

So unspecced puncture doesnt change clearspeed por now (early empo, everything just melt) and i can keep frosttrap for bosses, its great for not dying!

ty for the rework hints

[warm ridge]

Well I wonder if you could stack the primal unique + that belt and then if there are any skills that proc on dodge, you could actually do a sort of autobomber?

Idk just thinking aloud

[trim dawn]

wait this seems insane

[flint turret]

because it is

[trim dawn]

oh its a catalyst

i thought it was a neck 🙁

[flint turret]

its still 2k+ ward per second potentially

[rugged pollen]

i think that sht can be very bonkers on minion aco

[atomic vapor]

Catalyst is a better slot to give up imo

[trim dawn]

yeah i mean its nice 4 sure but I was exclusively looking at it from a falconer perspective

on a neck it would be the tits

[flint turret]

bro, still 0lp bow? come on man farm it

[atomic vapor]

the coach

Run faster soldier

[flint turret]

90 lvl 0 lp bow

[atomic vapor]

Can get multiple 3lps in hours

[weary widget]

Ward trail does the same thing and you can get some pretty neat combo builds, but they're not viable at all

[novel rune]

we have this too

oh someone just mentioned it

they do stack tho so hmm

[atomic vapor]

These patch notes overall have me split between 10 different things

Nothing stands out as op yet

[warm ridge]

That is super fun to watch ❤️

[stable sierra]

@flint turret Im on it, used to play hardcore so i get a lot of stuff but i miss a lot^^ I play normal mode for now and focus on finishing the quest lines^^

I died soooo much on winter boss xd

[flint turret]

dunno, specced puncture deals like double damage over non-specced and also give you frenzy which you doesnt seem ro have currently

[wooden abyss]

How much dodge do yall generally go for

[flint turret]

you can offscreen it and skip all phases

jusr shoot and run away from it and it will just slowly walk towards you

and wont cast anything

[stable sierra]

Since it melt instantly, not a probleme at the moment!

Ill see how it goes when i go higher

[trim dawn]

team whos that one bleed falconer guy

[flint turret]

either lots or none

having lots enables concentration and outlander tenacity and perfection

and silver shroud safe-net

[wooden abyss]

Well yes. I was just seeing if the amount I have should be fine since I'm not a dex build since Lich can have dodge now

[novel rune]

oh lmao

[atomic vapor]

I saw the dodge node, it's not bad

[wooden abyss]

Just seeing if around 10k should be fine

[atomic vapor]

cold flay is gonna be the glassiest lich

[flint turret]

10k is super high already

[wooden abyss]

Cool. Perfect

[flint turret]

its like what, 80%

or more

[wooden abyss]

Yea like 81%

[flint turret]

85 is cap

[atomic vapor]

Has giga DR past that. I think 85 was like 17-18k

You know with which spec

Surprised lich can even get to 10k, is the node that strong or did you also slam dodge

[wooden abyss]

Ok so I'm at the point where investment past this will actually be less valueable, cool

Slammed dodge

[atomic vapor]

makes sense

[wooden abyss]

I value staying alive over damage so I stacked it instead of damage since it'll come from int and crit

[atomic vapor]

i still think mourningfrost lich will be a certified bosser

people are saying eq bear will be the new broken thing

[wooden abyss]

VK is still top dog, I don't think it'll do much

[atomic vapor]

won't void well hurt the uptime

also big mana idols nerf

And the only mana primordial I saw was that goofy ring

[wooden abyss]

Maybe. I'm not super versed in how it worked since I was going space rocks

[novel rune]

10k dodge rating is close to the dodge cap

which is 85%

[atomic vapor]

I heard warpath might have problems

[trim dawn]

wait team how do dancing strikes builds feel?

[rugged pollen]

should be much better now feel-wise

power-wise i think it has been strong

stronger now

[trim dawn]

oh it requires dual wielding 🙁

[crimson latch]

please tell me that we gonna have at least 1 build tier S and it wont be falconer

[rugged pollen]

you're planning to not dual wield as a bladedancer??

blasphemy

[trim dawn]

im trying to find any build that I cna that can use the new spear

I only play SSF and I make dumb goals for myself

[atomic vapor]

seems like proliferation might be strong lol

[trim dawn]

I want to make a strong build w/ the spear

[novel rune]

its either that or the 2h sword

[trim dawn]

but it might jsut be a bleed falconer build with the spear

[atomic vapor]

I don't expect to see the spear in any serious build

It's a funny meme but it won't stick

Rather focus on real items

[trim dawn]

i think you might end up surprised. It can definitely scale some shit crazy well

[rugged pollen]

if 2x+1 seal t7 is considered magic item

[trim dawn]

^

thats what im assuming because EHG said so

[rugged pollen]

i can see 2+LP of that spear being THE items for some builds

[atomic vapor]

imprinting the right gear with double t7, hitting both removals and with a good seal + base? Do you understand the level of grind lol

[crimson latch]

harmony?

[atomic vapor]

That's like gearing 3 characters

[novel rune]

hmm

would bleed lethal mirage be complete meme

[rugged pollen]

but as of now, even ehg themself is still confused on how it works lol

[atomic vapor]

One conversion btw (unless this item is an exception)

[atomic vapor]

apparently mike was told sealed affixes won't count towards the total

Which makes the grind abysmal

Months of minmaxing

Not worth

[trim dawn]

ehh

[rugged pollen]

total of what?

[trim dawn]

i eman

[rugged pollen]

you mean sealed wont counted as magic item?

[trim dawn]

thats what ARPGs are about lol

[atomic vapor]

2+ seal= magic

[trim dawn]

no hes saying what you already said

[atomic vapor]

Apparently at least

[trim dawn]

in a different way

[atomic vapor]

No I'm saying what was the suspicion

Was confirmed internally

[trim dawn]

yes literally what he already said

just in a different way

[atomic vapor]

I was confirming the if is what I'm saying

[trim dawn]

yes literally what he already said

just in a different way

lol

[rugged pollen]

if the strength worths the grind i dotn see why not

[atomic vapor]

...and I'm saying the confusion was cleared because Mike was working on a bugged testing tool and the team internally corrected him lol

[rugged pollen]

if 3xt7 3lp slam can be as popular as 1.2

[novel rune]

i think the way the bleed gloves read, you get all of the conversions, because its just one conversion still, just done at the very end. all your ignite, frostbite, shock, poison, time rot and damned chance is taken and turned to bleed chance

[trim dawn]

wait btw i didnt play 1.2 much

[atomic vapor]

I think one of the mods said what I said, don't take my word for it

[trim dawn]

can you seal t7s naturally

[novel rune]

hmm

[trim dawn]

i dont remember

[trim dawn]

oh you're saying that he first said it worked, then tested and it didnt work, and then he was corrected again to say it does work?

[atomic vapor]

yes... Which is also why flick said they're confused. He didn't read the last update

Which is what I clarified and you're insisting on lol

[trim dawn]

my b i didnt know there was yet another correction

I thought we were still on the "we don't actually know EHG seems confused" part

[atomic vapor]

They took what they said back twice so far. I'm too tired of watching devs quadruple checking their own game

We'll see on release

[trim dawn]

either way, if 2xt7 + seal does in fact count as a magic item, I can see some crazy scaling on certain builds with the spear

[novel rune]

i forgot lethal mirage has this

maybe my bleed glove meme is doable

[rugged pollen]

in fact i didnt

[atomic vapor]

Is there any multiplicative scaling anywhere with that

If not, proliferation is better most likely since the wisp things also apply ignite

[atomic vapor]

They could as well have taken it back another two times by now 😭

Who knows with EHG

[trim dawn]

I wonder if the spear could be viable on a basic aerial assault build tbh

[novel rune]

never played lethal mirage, do people use

[trim dawn]

Also crazy there were 0 relevant cof changes tho

[rugged pollen]

cof is in a pretty good spot already no?

[trim dawn]

I mean debatable. Prophecy rerolling is Hella unfun

Could use some nice QOL changes

And iirc half the cof levels feel useless

[atomic vapor]

I asked about no QoL in dev especially when they talked about it on stream

I got ignored

[cosmic briar]

Okay guys seems like it's the time, this time I will be bear. WhooWhhooRoar.

Meh.

Only build wich was show fast uberroth and survived (maybe even get stronger lmao)

Also tested bleed falconer, even before CDR nerfs... Meh)

Well, it's playable, maybe even good for corruption pushing (not so far), but no, it isn't build for fast uberroth

At least with 2lp items level

[flint turret]

no changes to prophecies rolling + no prophesies for missing runes kinda hurt ngl

[raven orbit]

is explosive trap still strong like 1.0??

[flint turret]

mg having better access to runes via arbor than cof makes little sense

well, and stash tabs ofc

[trim dawn]

team am i cooked? i havent played in a bit, falcon abilities scale off your base weapon damage, right?

like + melee damage?

[flint turret]

not by default no

[cosmic briar]

from your falcon

[next gale]

ayo I need some advice on some things regarding dancing strikes, how relevant is the damage from shadow cascade and umbral blades?
At the moment I got Gladiators oath slotted in as an easy way to get 100% crit, but with Shadow daggers critting always anyway thinking I could just drop it for the new dagger and get the 40% pen + more skill levels

[hearty moon]

I hate to be the person who complains this hard

but ehg just needs to like.......

stop pretending other marksman skils dont exist besides deto arrow

and now that stupid recurve thing

[flint turret]

Wdym

Hoa is super strong

Quiver is videly used for other main skills

Multishot kinda fell of tho

[flint turret]

Generally cascade is what deals damage, dancing is just for buffs

[next gale]

ye ye, Im just asking is it worth investing in to it in comparison to just straight up Shadow daggers pen on everything and just relying on that for damage

[flint turret]

you can invest in shadow daggers but those usually dont come together with dancing

shadow daggers would work better on a falconer

[next gale]

y not? I was thinking with the patch taking the node that applies a shadow dagger stack on every hit of dancing strikes and then scaling like 300 to 400% melee attack speed would be crazy because then you would be hitting 4 times/second

[flint turret]

aa throws like 16 umbrals that hit twice each

for 0 mana

and attack speed doesnt contribute to shadow daggers damage at all

[next gale]

it doesnt, but it scales the speed at which I can apply them

and yea falconer is broken

nvm though now that I think about it cascade with that much atk speed would get like 240% more dmg

[flint turret]

yeah

cascade damage ceiling is way higher than shadow daggers

[broken barn]

Ok so who's cookin up the next one shot Uber build?

[flint turret]

it was already cooked in 1.2 and nothing changed afaik

manastacking da

[deft horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZE8MS03Jbw is it this?

[flint turret]

yeah looks like it

its completly useless outside of boss killing tho

[deft horizon]

yea, id prob build one after i farmed the gear. just have to characters basically

is the razorfall falconer build still viable? might play that and convert it into manastacker DA after

[flint turret]

yeah im pretty sure it is

hard to tell how much dps remained tho

too many interaction changes all over the place

worst case its gonna be used as a shadow dagger applicator even tho i think umbrals themselves still will do more damage

valor bow might see more play with it because of CD nerfs

[deft horizon]

yea you would only care for 2 mod rolls now on the bow. aerial assault and base crit

[broken barn]

Oh I thought they are nerfing those skills so that it wouldn't function as a one shot build anymore

Oh wait maybe you're right. I must have been thinking of a different one.

How difficult is it to set this build up?

[cosmic briar]

Waitr a fcking second

u wanna say i can play as HS marksman and then swap to this and do my fastfarming uberroth???

[flint turret]

im pretty sure you can do whatever you want to enjoy the game

[proper scroll]

i have a question with hail of arrows, guys.

[cosmic briar]

i just need speedfarm uber aberroth

_> enjoying to DINGDINGDING THIS IS UBERROTH 3LP RELIC

[proper scroll]

The Perc Acid Rain states:

Does that mean, all Stats with "bleed on hit" will be converted to poison chance for hail of arrows?

[flint turret]

hoa is not a hit so if you are thinking about ailment on hit it wont work

[proper scroll]

yeah. i know that. but i dont understand the stated line there. "bleed chance from all sources"

or does that only mean the +bleed chance in its own skill-tree will be changed over. if so, that would be a misleading line

[cosmic briar]

@flint turret sorry to bothering you, but can u answer, what is this debuff?
x185 on uberroth here.
I found only x10 elem shred stacks on traps tree

cant understand what is this and from wich passive it is

[flint turret]

Loos like armor shred

[cosmic briar]

is it ignites?

erm... but how is it stacked so many

here is only 3 shreds

maybe its from crystalwind, but here is just too many stacks of it

well yes, its armor shreds. but how the fck so many

cant be only from traps

[flint turret]

Pretty sure it can

There are lots of hits from them

[cosmic briar]

he have total 232% chance and 32% effect

hm

anyway, this is probably Ice Trap from PoE xD Cant do nothing except oneshot uberbosses

so must have second character for farming eyes

or second setup on this one

hmmmm

bear or this... i like MM and for sure i can just go HS for leveling before swap...

@flint turret how will feel crystalwind as quiver at not-so-high corruption?

wich regular cold hs

[flint turret]

I don't really see a reason to use it

[cosmic briar]

since i am sure i can use Reign of winter as bow (was already used)

[flint turret]

Over let's say exalted silk

[cosmic briar]

oh ye u right

about exalted silk

[flint turret]

Depending on how hydra bow repeats work crystal might have a chance tho

[cosmic briar]

mhm

u mean play as DA build with Hydra?

[flint turret]

Da and hs

[cosmic briar]

dont u think repeated HS from hydra will hellish drain out mana?

[flint turret]

If you will be able to snapshot with hydra

Hs costs pretty much nothing

If we could snapshot with hydra and use dark quiver with consuming 3 shadows for 300% more damage it sounds pretty good

[cosmic briar]

probably have feeling this build can deal with uberroth even with full exalted gear, his uniques doesnt seem to be mandatory. Only quiver for totem

and mourningfrost for cold stack

[flint turret]

I'm not really interested in it. If enough people will use it 1.3 it will be butchered anyway

Even tho it's useless as is already outside of bosses

[cosmic briar]

doesnt matter. Uberroth seems to be designed like boss for finding broken stuff

so anything wich will kill him faster than several minutes will be killed

he is just too fat

[flint turret]

not really. cascade, traps, hoa are buffed\untouched

and they all can kill it under 4 min

[cosmic briar]

hoa is 2min, cascade (i found) 1.5min too.
Ok, lets say anything killing him less than a minute xD

[deft horizon]

this build got a semi nerf with idols, so i think youll have to do 2 rotations to kill him

[cosmic briar]

hm. also i can just go as falconer lmao. And get secondary setup of gear for this.
Since falconer dead only for uberroth speedfarm., not as entire mediocre build

[deft horizon]

so that may be more time

[cosmic briar]

u know he have 3 idols in his setup, right?

[flint turret]

now there is a primordial mana

t8

[deft horizon]

you know thats to showcase what you want for each idol. he doesnt actually have that

yea

he doesnt have that

he has 5 2x1 and 4 1x1

its just to show the mods you want

[cosmic briar]

~20 less pen doesnt seen like big hit

also he can get a way more mana now

also u dont really need oneshot, u need 3 arrows tbh

skip bullet hell, skip summons, skip outheal - deal

will be ~15 seconds

[crimson latch]

the new hydra bow is meant for which build? t_t

maybe mult shot?

[novel rune]

do we have any idea what the tags on primordial blood are? from the bleed explode gloves

imagine if we could stack flat dam on it and use it on a hit build for extra bit of clear with explode

[bold brook]

@novel rune

[novel rune]

spell hmm

so mourningfrost works

but does reign of winter dex stack need more clear help lol

[novel rune]

i wonder whats the spec that is best for scaling global hit-based spell dmg

[candid portal]

Ayoo anyone got any ideas for what's looking good next season for rogue

[bold brook]

<@&1161418687471956101> 👆

[crimson latch]

maybe ballista cause minion season? :v haha

[crimson latch]

LOL THE AFFIX its called hydra, and the new bow also, mmm :V

[north tree]

is there a way to generate potions besides ballista

[cobalt mantle]

hit bosses

[pearl forge]

yooo truesight glass

goes omegahard

just catching on news after some wow m+ spam holy

[warm zephyr]

Worth messing around with for Shift Flask?

[pearl forge]

can we check t8 already?

how is the +mirages one looking

on chest

[warm zephyr]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AKwZg7EA

[pearl forge]

ah only 3 mirages

wasted

maybe there is a good primordial unique

although maybe it lets you cook getting more casts with full coated blades hmm

120% Eff is a ton

[warm zephyr]

Yeah, basically 55% cost reduction on its own

[glass stag]

any good for lightning shuriken build or still meh?

[bold brook]

that affix is very good for lightning shuriken, a t8 would be great

unsure if better than a primordial unique like Truesight Glass or Immortal Stone though

or the primal exsanguinous if low life

[crimson latch]

LOL

[graceful notch]

Only 776 for me

[eager mason]

counts as you casting the skill doesnt mean its a direct use does it

so they would throw 1 explosive trap instead

oh it seems mike answered it already

[wild harbor]

owo

[flint turret]

@zenith bridge yo, have you clocked the dps on your ignite hs video? i mean how long it takes you to drop dummy by 10-20-30% for example?

or how long it would take to kill abby after the walking animation starts

[crimson latch]

i just want trikster or any other guy to make marksman great again u.u

[graceful notch]

Dev say no

[crimson latch]

i know detonating arrow has some crazy interaction with mana stacking but what about the mapp clearing? t_t

[flint turret]

what makes you think marksman isnt great tho

in 1.3 it looks like its gonna be the best rogue mastery even

[zenith bridge]

No didnt clock it, can do it later though. But i think without wildfire and optimal gear i wanna wait for s3. The dot ticks were a bit lower compared to bleed/poison version. But i think wildfire will boost it alot.

[flint turret]

yeah wildfire can probably add like 50% more

[zenith bridge]

Is marksman really that bad for you? I kinda enjoy all the builds like heartseeker, hail of arrows and multishot. I want blast rain and detonating arrow to come back though.

[flint turret]

the only thing i dislike about mm is that they butchered blast rain da for literally no reason

[deft horizon]

is the defensives the same for MM. dont get hit. silver shroud and glancing blows?

[flint turret]

you can stack dodge to really high numbers with HS

well, and gb too, because its shroud stacking

[zenith bridge]

Im curious if they fixed silver shroud stacks because i heard many people complaining last season about silver shrouds not proccing the free dodge.

[flint turret]

yeah dunno, i havent encounered it that often, unless i havent noticed it at all

[novel rune]

@flint turret thoughts on HS bleed + puncture + multishot triggers, with drelkor's compass?

compass turs HS into 0 cost skill so you get mana per hit

punc and multishot just bonus triggers

explody gloves ofc

xithara's, sanguine hoard, chalice

[undone dune]

So after reading the patch notes it seems like falconer is back to explosive traps right?

[flint turret]

at 5% trigger rate i wouldnt consider multishot, but overall yeah its an okay idea, even tho i think its better to convert to ignite with new ammy

[novel rune]

curious

[flint turret]

i was thinking about using bleed gloves first because hs has poison from shred but double conversion is unlikely to work

[novel rune]

at least ignite has elem dmg over time

no specific enough mods for bleed, on rogue at least

[flint turret]

yeah elemental damage over time scales like crazy

[crimson latch]

make a planner i just want to play Marksman t_t

[flint turret]

trikster already did a video for ignite

[crimson latch]

I LOVE YOU TRIKTER DAMN IT

[flint turret]

the regular crit hs is getting much better too tho with wither new ammy or body doubling idols or whatever

maybe even bow dependin on how that repeat works

[atomic vapor]

@graceful notch are you going unga bunga spin to win until something broken for clear comes up

[prisma niche]

anyone here play heartseeker

[warm zephyr]

Did last season, was pretty fun. I'm not an expert on it though if you're seeking advice

[crimson latch]

do you think with the ignite version can kill uberroth? loved the video

[zenith bridge]

I know lizard beat uberroth with poison/bleed heartseeker in offline. Dmg for ignite is probably going to be similar with the wildfire amulet.
But you need to play it extremely good to survive.
Online its always going to be way harder.

So the answer is probably yes, but difficult 🙂

[lone flower]

any build for s3

all do lich/necro

none do roque

[flint turret]

I think it's easier than you think it is. Not using mourningfrost opens up tons of defensive affixes, and if you are able to survive the overhead slam or 3-sector it's basically a free fight no matter how long it will take

[lunar socket]

No one do necromancer, they do lich and beastmaster

[flint turret]

Hs already has lots of sustain in hit, and adding dot leech on top of it is even better

[zenith bridge]

Another buddy of mine also beat him with dot hs and used bleeding heart. He could stand in all those dot pools

So you are probably right with the sustain

[flint turret]

Yeah plus dot version has better sustain just because dots last a while and you continue to leech even after you stopped attacking while with hit version you leech only until your recurves last

Last phase makes you move a lot and it can be hard to always attack

[warm zephyr]

There's someone brewing a "Skeleton Churn" Necro build, they posted it in #💀┃acolyte earlier

[prisma niche]

heartseeker crit damage is highly undervalued by most build guides

[flint turret]

Wdym

[prisma niche]

are you on us east right now?

nm

the crit strike multiplyer I mean my bad

[flint turret]

I still don't understand what you are trying to say

[prisma niche]

my damage is signiffigantly higher with the multiplier than with the flat as expressed here : https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/heartseeker-marksman-guide#build-scaling-header

[flint turret]

But this also has crit multi on a weapon

[crimson latch]

i think is the flat dmg what gives you the most dmg for the build

[prisma niche]

Also will cast dragon fire more

[crimson latch]

thats %

[prisma niche]

I want a dps meter LOL

[flint turret]

You can clock down the dummy

The time needed to drop it by 20% or whatever

[prisma niche]

true

[flint turret]

Overall crit multi is not that easy to get on hs, because realistically you can use it only on 3 slots - weapon, amulet and relic. Weapon competes with flat crit and attack speed, relic competes with dex. Only amulet is a no-brainer multi. That's why the new lens ammy is looking good for hs

Idol boosting flat crit body too

Not only you cap crit more easily so you could use t5 flat on a weapon but also it will double crit enchants on idols

[prisma niche]

yo my physical resist is -47%

wtf

[graceful notch]

Look ur boots

[prisma niche]

oh shit

ok

that's annoying

[vestal pawn]

Any thoughts on rogue balista s3 ? he can get more than 6 with t8 right

[flint turret]

Probably can be very good with tyrannosaur

[cobalt mantle]

It got a 10% damage buff, so why not

[warm zephyr]

Anything worthwhile with Hydra Arc? It feels like it wants to be paired with Crystal Wind, but then you're still at the mercy of evade cooldown.

[flint turret]

depends on how repeat mechanic will perform

we dont know if it snaphots anytyng or not

overall the bow doesnt seem all that great if it doesnt

maybe something can be done with that bow and exploding ballista dunno

if they didnt mess up the smoke limit it potentially could have been fun with triple smokes

ah nwm smoke has cd im dumb

[stable anchor]

you can get 7 but it will be difficult to sustain the mana

[flint turret]

okay how about 650 flat damage AA and 650 flat damage dive instead of razors now https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1k8rk0qs

more in smoke

[warm ridge]

Does anyone know if Hydra Arc bow attack "repeat" counts as a direct use of said bow attack?

[bold brook]

direct use is when you push the button the skill is assigned to to use the skill

so it would not count

[warm ridge]

Fair enough. The use of the word "repeat" is new so I wasnt sure if maybe it had a special function

[bold brook]

repeat is actually on the Gathering Fury bow, I am pretty sure those don't count as direct use, but have not actually tested

[warm ridge]

loool shows how much I know

[flint turret]

Lots of unknown about hydra bow still

[warm ridge]

I am trying to cook with the hydra bow on lastepochtools

[flint turret]

It's kinda pointless before we find out how exactly it works

Might end up pretty good or whatever

Wish it ends up useful, we kinda lack decent bows

[crimson latch]

maybe mana stacking detonating arrow? xd with blast rain?

idk im so sad that we have a new bow and its useless

[flint turret]

okay so i did the math a bit... without cd reductions evade is on 2.7 sec cd, which means potentially its +3 more attacks each 2.7 seconds. Also evade CD is affected by general CDR and specific evade cd reduction modifiers

tehre are however no useful evade cd reduction uniques for bow builds except maybe that lightning in a bottle but its too conditional

[crimson latch]

the new flay b oots

[flint turret]

they do nothing for bow

[floral cypress]

been out all weekend, what is the consensus with falconer? scaling feels dogshit now right?

[warm ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkjDvDQ this is what Im starting with

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 1,345, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 128.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 18 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 56% / 0% / 2% / 2%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 269
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (327)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (372)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 32%

Used skills:

None

[crimson latch]

i'll go with ignite HS from Trikster

[flint turret]

with double t5 cdr on belt+boots however evade cd goes down to 2.1

decent attack speed on hs is around 3-3.5 attacks per second

so if hydra bow ability does nothing in terms of snapshotting at worst it will add 3 more attacks on top of 7 attacks every 2 seconds

thats around 42% more attacks per second if we exclude evade animation, so its likely closer to 30%

[warm ridge]

Well each potion is going to do 3 more heartseekers

[flint turret]

it doesnd that bad actually

im not counting that belt

[warm ridge]

sorry what?

[flint turret]

the problem is that row icicles are around 30% dps increase too

and if hydra allows some form of snapshotting like crystal quiver it might be pretty good actually

[warm ridge]

could you elaborate?

[crimson latch]

maybe is meant for multshot

[flint turret]

bottom line hydra ability dps is the same as row icicles if it doesnt snapshot anything

but hydra also gives +4 skills and 16 dex

[flint turret]

we dont know how repeats work

if we use it with crystal quiver will it give bonus danage to all repeats or only first attack

do repeats count as direct attacks or not too

[crimson latch]

i just love marksman i dont want to play Falconer xd

[warm ridge]

ahhhh I see I see

[flint turret]

also hydra would allow ucenui full benefits

while row messes it up

im really curious to compare those 2

OH

WAIT A MINUTE

its also noticable faster than row

[warm ridge]

what is ucenui?

[flint turret]

relic that hs uses often

[warm ridge]

ahhhh gotcha

okay another thing I am thinking about is how to judge the implicits on Hydra versus the affixes. Like.... I wonder if I should make use of the poison implicits

[flint turret]

we might have underestimated the hydra bow actually, at least i did. the more i dive into details the better it looks. lots depends on how exactly repeats work tho

[warm ridge]

true. I think it also depends on how low you can get evade cd + additional charges

[flint turret]

+1 talent is also around 4 to 10 more damage on hs per point

yeah thats the problem

hs doesnt really benefit from cdr in general

[warm ridge]

Well it functionally scales with cdr if you get evade low enough through cdr stacking no?

[flint turret]

so its probably not worth going for cdr affixes just for evade

[flint turret]

yeah but you dont really need cdr on hs

lowering shift or smoke cd is okay but not that essential

and its already suffix hungry becase of mourningfrost

[novel rune]

the raw amount of flat seems nice on hydra if you scale generic

[flint turret]

that rolls tho are some sadistic shit alike black blade

[warm ridge]

what do you mean "scale generic"?

[novel rune]

as in like scaling elemental dmg

[novel rune]

rather than cold specificly

[flint turret]

3-33

[novel rune]

ye you gonna have to want to farm a ton of these if you use it

[warm ridge]

mmmmm right right

[flint turret]

flat is not that much higher than row

row is 60+50

4 talents and 16 dex tho

[novel rune]

could add in mourningfrost for extra dex scaling and even more flat xd

but at the same time im kinda tired of those boots

[flint turret]

obviously

[novel rune]

and playing around the huge amounts of res

[atomic vapor]

I despise mourns as well but they're so strong

[flint turret]

you dont have much choise to get flat bow damage

bow needs flat crit, quiver flat is non existing

[atomic vapor]

this going up to 100 isn't the worst thing ever but it's a vendor item and I hate rainbow weapons

the range is also crap

[flint turret]

hmmm

[atomic vapor]

also the implicit makes me wanna cry

I feel like a big limiting factor on all of these is that they're vendor items

do we know which three are the rift beast ones

[flint turret]

maybe we can make some LL mm with the new body and go for night quiver instead of mourning

and lets say we somehow get abby relic with +5 crit

dam t7 flat on bow is only up to 49 what a joke

[crimson latch]

whatis LL

[flint turret]

low life

[crimson latch]

im so mad about the bow i mean, what the fck is that the other primordial rocks

[flint turret]

it might end up pretty goid depending on how repeats work

[atomic vapor]

they literally hate bow builds I swear

[flint turret]

wonder how repeats will interact with elemental arrows too

dam le needs some extra source of bow flat damage there are so little

stupid falcon can have 600 flat while bows get no flat at all

[atomic vapor]

throw is also ridiculous since you can slam it everywhere

[flint turret]

throw is not tha teasy to get

you have yo use all exalted throw affixes on a highly competetive prefix pieces

while having not a single throwing flat weapon

[atomic vapor]

the competition gets alleviated when you get to the endgame, it's reasonable to push way harder than single slams with itemization now

for low lpl 3lp is also very realistic

so it stops being a competition when you're at the blasting phase of the build and you're a multi exalt printing machine

ofc they could easily have nerfed everything without mentioning anything in the patch notes

including nemesis, imprint, troves

they said nothing about the healing affix nerf if that's an indication

[novel rune]

perma chilling at 12k ward on a MM could be funny

[flint turret]

Speaking about ward

I think it can be a good idea to use the new flat crit body that boosts idols on hs along the Abby relic to cap crit with soulgambler

I'll try to make a planner with them tomorrow. When I tried it with 50% crit it was giving me around 2k stable ward

[crimson latch]

what is MM

[bold brook]

Marksman

[eager mason]

this new ll chest is pretty good ngl

I was avoiding ll most of the time just because I dont want to use exsanguinous

[crimson latch]

what is LL :V

[novel rune]

lowlife

[warm ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGWxW04B

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (79) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,370, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 253.81, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 151 Dex / 6 Int / 6 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 78% / 78% / 79% / 78% / 84% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 474
▸ Dodge Chance: 37% (1312)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (568)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 135%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Shift / Dark Quiver / Detonating Arrow

[warm ridge]

rip me apart, chat

It kills me a bit that I couldnt hit 100% CDR

but got close

[stable anchor]

100% cdr does not make you have no cooldowns anyways

it just halves your cooldowns

[atomic vapor]

I love how you smacked a quad exalt glove but left the bow at 1lp 😭

[warm ridge]

the theory is that between the super high CDR and evade on potion use, you can evade almost constantly

which procs heartseeker which loops

[warm ridge]

got to keep you on your toes

[stable anchor]

quadruple T7 helmet?

yeah ok

[warm ridge]

I mean humor me

just trying to make it work

not saying it's a season starter

[trim dawn]

team

lets say you were gonna try and maek a harmony of the first build work

what skill would you use

at first I thought aerial assault but that shit doesn't scale with melee damage so thats kinda DoA

[north tree]

usually when I do planners I do 4LPs for Tier7 = Ideal Tier 6 2nd choice then 5-4 as next in line makes it easier gearing up when I know what slots im getting exalts

[next gale]

Does Dancing strikes Arena size scale with AoE?

[bold brook]

i dont think so

[next gale]

🙁

Im trying to cook a build and its tough

[bold brook]

the arena is a pretty good size already and you make a new one pretty often where i dont think its a big deal though

[next gale]

Yea, fair. I saw you were trying to make a Dancing strikes build too, did you end up going with flat or melee atk speed t7 on wep?

I just dont know if the CDR scaling and % more on cascade can make up for losing so much flat

[bold brook]

my current planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK2DMeno (def not perfect, unsure about mana sustain)

dancing strikes is a support tool, not main damage, and while cascade benefits from both, flat damage is better for it

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (71) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 4,511, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 201.51, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 9 Dex / 14 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 87% / 87% / 87% / 136% / 0% / 15% / 20%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,659
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (383)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,632)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Shift / Umbral Blades

[bold brook]

extra cdr on dancing might be worth, but i dont think it will be better than flat, especially because you can get attack speed in a lot of places

[next gale]

Yea prob not, and like you said with all the atk speed sources I'm pushing 330% already so might as well go for the flat instead. Only thing that sucks is I was trying to fit in Parry shenanigans as well. Might just be better off dropping that idea altogether though.

[bold brook]

ya the only parry i invest in is the Spell Breaker passive, and thats mostly a side effect

[next gale]

Something to consider with this build is if you can get a bit more shroud chance and 2 more levels of dancing strikes for the extra % inc dodge. You could realistically hit 75% dodge with full rhythm and perfection stacks.

And while Perfection is unreliable Rhythm stacks shouldn't be nearly as unreliable now (70% at 0 Perfection stacks).

[warm zephyr]

yeah, you can get down to 1.43s CD with stacking CRS. did the math on that earlier and kind of walked away disappointed it was still that long lol

[crimson latch]

why we would use hydra for repeat heartseeker? that makes no sense u just can spam it already xd

[warm zephyr]

hmmm, Lightning in a Bottle is an interesting addition to it

[warm ridge]

definitely open to critique but most of this is just playing around

[warm zephyr]

all good, you went a lot farther with your hydra arc ideating than I did. I calc'd the most cooldown recovery speed I could and where that left the cooldown, saved the file, and closed it 😂

I do agree hydra probably wants a bigger payoff though, something that costs a lot (since at least for cost it saves 50%)

[fringe parrot]

Hello my fellow Rogue Travelers, Rogue Virgin here.

I played a Dancing Strike Build a while back and it was pretty good, but I never pushed it super far, but it showed me the proof of concept works.
I am not a huge Rogue Fan, but Dancing Strikes is probably one of my favorite skills, because it reminds me a lot of Marvel Heroes, they did A LOT of Movement Skills that could be used as primary damage dealers.

I wanted to share this build and ask what people thing about it.
We can balance the Mana Regen and Mana Passives a bit more, I took slightly more than needed just to be sure its 100% sustainable without problem. (I did a lot of testing just for the main sustain).

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br2Z7WkB

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (69) / Falconer (23)

General:

▸ Health: 3,542, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 119.51, Regen: 19.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 32 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 102% / 142% / 86% / 92% / 69% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,239
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (289)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (720)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 77%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 110%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Cascade / Decoy

[warm ridge]

Sorry not sure I understand. What do you mean?

[fringe parrot]

But essentially this leverages Gladiator's Oath +100% Flat Crit with Truesight Glass to get 40% Deadly Strikes with virtually no other investment

[warm ridge]

Oh I think I get it. Yea... I thought about Hail of Arrows instead of Heartseeker

[warm zephyr]

yeah, just something you can't normally already spam easily

[bold brook]

I briefly toyed with Gladiator's as well, but I just don't think its worth losing the flat and levels from Scissor or the flat and crit multi from Reen

I also don't think Glass is worth the opportunity cost of another primordial when you already have so much crit multi

also you made your shadow cascade into throwing, but have no flat throwing affixes

you are also missing the best cascade nodes. Flow State, Leveraged Momentum, Careful Assault are huge multipliers you really dont want to miss outon

almost every cascade build I use is something close to this

[warm zephyr]

Oof, had an idea, then re-read Hydra and realized it doesn't work with cooldown skills at all.

[bold brook]

Also because you are using Siphon of Anguish, you really should use the Shattered Chains belt. Brewmaster is great (and I use it before I get Chains), but Chains gives you such much more damage

also it seems weird, but Falcon Fists and the new Army of Skin boots provide huge bonuses for cascade, definitely worth using even though 80% of their item descriptions are useless

[next gale]

I so wish this game had an as in depth build tool as PoB. Would be easy to calc the trade off of Pen vs Multi vs Flat vs atk speed etc. And especially whether or not at least in my case if I'm hitting the point where I have too much CDR my attack speed can't keep up.

[fringe parrot]

I can see Army ok Skin High Health modifier being useful, but Suloron's Step are soo good, even with the 1000+ Crit Multi that I already have its consitent 10% more dmg with everything. But they are definitely more straining on the gear and I could see them only used high endgame when I find them with with good rolls and 1 or 2LP.

But what do you see in Falcon Fist? The Flat Dmg and Attack Speed or what? Not sure if that convinces me

Shattered Chains I can see, using yeah. That could be an easy swap depending on whic hBelt I find with better rolls ind higher LP. I always like having alternatives. But Brewmaster is definitely tankier since I don't leverage Chains armor at all

[bold brook]

falcon fists is for the flat melee and attack speed ya. keep in mind when specced correctly shadow cascade gets a damage multiplier for melee attack speed

[bold brook]

a good helmet to help with armor is Dominance of the Tundra, a flat 440 armor and some bonus strength. also makes it easy to cap crit protection

[fringe parrot]

Doesn't really matter for my spec, its not doing the heavy lifintg, its main purpsoe is Shadow Dagger application.

I have zero crit chance investment for non-melee skills and with the Shadow Dagger Node Cascade is not a Melee skil anymore

[fringe parrot]

That will pull the build int oway too many direction, just for that one slot for some armor investment its not worth it

And I don't need crit protection. Amulet and New BD Passive cap me already

[bold brook]

i noticed, but I think going shadow daggers is a mistake personally (also you have no flat throwing damage affixes, so you are losing damage by going throwing on cascade)

you would have more damage by sticking to melee and dropping shadow daggers. dancing strikes really isn't a very good shadow daggers applicator

just my thoughts

[fringe parrot]

DS is very good for Shadow Daggers, not as good as the crazy meta stuff, but with Gladiator's Oath I leverage free crit (with Deadly Strikes) with zero investment

[eager mason]

I would do something like this for smoke bomb

[fringe parrot]

Going out of Shadow Cascade Throwing will make them do more damage yeah, but missing a few Shadow Daggers will hurt damage as well, I don't think it will give me damage

[eager mason]

silver shroud, cleanse and flat are much more important there and efficient

[bold brook]

but you are giving up a different primordial, a ton of flat damage and i think you aren't making up the damage with shadow daggers

[bold brook]

i agree with this, the top left of smoke bomb is not great compared to silver shroud, cleanse and smoke blades

you especially want smoke blades if you stay shadow daggers

[fringe parrot]

But dropping Shadow Dagger application for mroe flat damage will be net neutral pretty much

[bold brook]

I also just have to disagree with this vehemently. even Puncture, which isn't meta at all can apply 6 stacks of shadow daggers in one attack with Death's Imprint and Penumbral Ambush

[bold brook]

I really dont think so, having a melee cascade specced correctly has a way bigger damage ceiling

[fringe parrot]

Yes I know everything can apply more and faster Shadow Dagger stacks and I don't say DS is purely better, but outside of slower application it has crazy as damage. 80% More Damage and 200% Crit Multi.

While the other builds have the faster application they need to invest a lot more into Crit Chance and and Crit damage, while not having a 80% more mutliplier globally.

[fringe parrot]

Maybe that will be true, I can test that very easily with the same gear with minor adjustments

[bold brook]

also, you probably know this already but i just want to make sure, shadow daggers already has 100% crit chance, so in order for it to max deadly strike chance you only need 40% crit chance

[graceful notch]

Shadow dancer

[fringe parrot]

Yes I have that already in the planner

[bold brook]

so why the gladiator's then? you're melees skills are not you're damage

cascade is throwing, shadow daggers doesn't need the 100% bonus

[fringe parrot]

Lol DS does do damage xD

It's DS + Shadow Dagger

I will definitely try a version without Shadow Dagger and making Shadow Cascade Melee, this way I have a lot more skill points in DS to directly boosts its damage. Fro ma playstyle perspective those variations would basically be the same

[bold brook]

DS is getting buffed a bit in the upcoming patch, but I have never had a DS build succeed more where DS was a real damage contributor rather than it purely supporting Cascade or Shadow Daggers, just my experience

[fringe parrot]

How would you spec Shadow Cascade for that? Like that?

[crimson latch]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1994j0qk

IM ON DRUGS?

[bold brook]

you 100% want Leveraged Momentum and Careful Assault

would also spec Sync Strike like this for shadows, replacing decoy

[fringe parrot]

A bit? Like 13% More direct damage scaling and half AS to CDR convert, that is absolutely bonkers. You don't have to run CDR on all the crazy defensive slots anymore and get more CDR than previously with all CDR affixes and some CDR impplicits.

[bold brook]

you can snapshot the damage bonus from Careful Assault by manually using cascade when you have 4 shadows, and all indirect uses after that will have the huge 100% multiplier

[bold brook]

a bit was referring to the damage buff, the CDR is a huge buff i agree

[fringe parrot]

Oh yeah its more than 13% because 2x 30% more effectiveness

[next gale]

What nodes are you taking for decoy? I was thinking of speccing into shurikens for the shred + armor.

[eager mason]

its not mine

was helping heavys planner above

[next gale]

Oh

[bold brook]

I was also going to question the decoy spec in general, you would get more defense value from Shurikens, or more mana sustain from Umbrals

[fringe parrot]

I just mainly use Decoy for 3 Shadows and 40% Crit Multi and its mana neutral with the Falconer Passive

absolutely not, no way I will use shuriken or umbral. I despise them so much

Also not a fan of sync strike, but I could test that for decoy, would give me some free passives

[bold brook]

you wouldn't be directly using them, shurikens would be used after shifting, umbrals would drop when each shadow expires

then you shift to gain mana back

[fringe parrot]

I know and that is the reason why I won't do it 😛

I would never compromise my builds theme for raw power, there are just some skills or interactions I hate and don't want to use

[bold brook]

I respect that

[fringe parrot]

Haha, never heard that before 😄

usually most people are just meta slaves for the big numbers 😛

[bold brook]

everyone has fun differently

I personally hate decoy haha

[fringe parrot]

At the end of the day I fully know and realized that my Hipster DS build will never compete in the grand scheme, but I just like the Gladiator's Oath Truesight Glass synergy and always wanted to push a DS build further than 300 corr.

[fringe parrot]

Have you played it the recent patches? I can't remember but a few patches ago they made it much much faster and more responsive

[bold brook]

I tried speccing it a few months ago, its just not for me

[fringe parrot]

Haha fair

I think I overuse it a bit because I used it in my Lethal Mirage Build, because it burst spawns 3 shadows and aligns with the cooldown rotation perfect (every second Mirage a Decoy)

[warm zephyr]

Ok, Hydra Arc idea:
Explosive Trap with Blast Rain (bow conversion), Impact Trigger (instant detonation), Arrow Traps (detonations trigger Detonating Arrows) and Siege Engineering (detonations have chance to trigger ballista)
Ballista with Care Package to generate potions
Lightning in a Bottle belt to turn potions into evade charges to fuel Hydra Arc copying Explosive Trap

no idea how to fix the glaring mana problems 😂

[bold brook]

that sounds interesting, I've never really tried a Mirage build, maybe I'll do that this season sometime

[bold brook]

mana on potion affix maybe?

[fringe parrot]

Its from way back in the day, that build should be much stronger now actually. It one-shots (or one use better speaking) every boss up until 300 corr I think, maybe even higher now.

Dual Fulgurite Shard with Umbral Feast (40% More Damage per Shadow Consumed) and guaranteed crit from Shift and using 5 Stack Flow.
You basically prepare a gigantic rotation and oneshot everything with one combo. Lightning Shuriken For Clearing. But echo clearing as always the weakpoint but its great build for multiplayer and carrying your friend and they complain that they can't do anything vs the bosses because they disappear in 2 seconds 😄

[warm zephyr]

might help. don't think it's enough though. Explosive Trap is like 38 mana before efficiency from all the nodes, 30.6 after, and with 3 copies from hydra (15.3 each) the original plus those comes to 76.5 before counting mana costs of Detonating Arrows (at 125% of normal cost because of the node triggering them)

oh, and ballista when they proc are 16.5 (50% off of [44 -25% from a node])

also realizing though, that since Hydra can't work with cooldown skills, it's kind of just a mana discounting weapon that you have to jump through extra hoops for. 🤔

maybe someone else will find a good use for it

[bold brook]

I forgot to mention the Li'raka's Claws gloves, they give a huge bonus to the crit multiplier of shadow daggers

[fringe parrot]

I already have 1200 Crit Multi 🤣 its not that good anymore and they are a pain to get with 3LP

[bold brook]

true lol

you do wanna max out the Once passive node though, shadow daggers double dips because its both melee and throwing

[fringe parrot]

The build is pretty tight on resistances and I dislike running uniques in every slot^^

Yeah passive tree would be something I wanted to bounce a few nodes anyway. I am testing the pure melee setupwithout SD right now

[warm zephyr]

does the Close Combat node on Dancing Strike make it shorter overall animation time-wise? since you move less distance and the movement speed is fixed?

[bold brook]

i dont think that makes it faster, haven't tested tho

[fringe parrot]

I just realized something funny, especially now with the sync strike setup, since my 100% Crit in dependend on being inside the Arena of DS. SHORTER Shift is actually pretty good QoL because I don't always jump out of the arena because it travels a fixed distance

[bold brook]

shorter shift also makes shotgunning cascades easier too

[fringe parrot]

Oh yeah true

So far the setup feels very same, the missing damage of SD is defintiely not overshadowed by Shadow Cascade

[bold brook]

another very important node you're missing is the Evasion node in the Rogue tree, its Rogue's best defensive node out of all the trees (especially on dancing strikes, where you are always moving)

[fringe parrot]

Yeah I was testing with and without it. tbh defensive setup I don't really care right now for theoreycrafting. I just want to see how the damage feels

[graceful notch]

This is the most sleep-inducing build I've ever played

[fringe parrot]

But I really dislike Sync Strike with Dark Allies, even though the node is strong it burns all my mana. My test char is not full equipped yet, maybe that gets better

[bold brook]

you have cascade's mana refund nodes right? you should get most of the mana spent back (especially if you trigger with shift, with mana refund nodes there too)

its not mana positive, but it shouldn't be too bad

especially with Spell Breaker and Stamina of the Rover (from Falconer)

[fringe parrot]

My test char doesn't have the mana sustain yet and if I misplay I am instantly oom. With another 3-4 mana/sec it should be fine but with decoy it was much more lenient

[fringe parrot]

Yes. sometiems I go into negative mana though and can't do anything for a brief second. It literally costs 2/3 of my mana

[bold brook]

admittedly, I haven't yet tried to combine dark allies with cascade with DS on top, saving that for the new season

Mana blessing from Lagon also is very important

[fringe parrot]

I definitely need to unspec Perfect Choreography in DS until my mana sustain is better

[bold brook]

you could also unspecdark allies and only going 2 points in careful assault until mana is better

[fringe parrot]

I haven to specced Careful Assault I refuse snapshotting 🤷

[bold brook]

well that's why it feels mostly the same as shadow daggers, Careful Assault literally doubles the damage of cascade (100% multiplier). Imo its a snapshot in the least intrusive way, you only need to activate it once per loading screen (in monos it lasts until you leave or die, transfers between echoes), but i get it if you dont want to do it

I also just realized you're the creator behind the new flay axe, that's a very cool item

[fringe parrot]

So the damage is most definitely not higher in any noticeable capacity between the pure melee and the Shadow Dagger Setup. At least on my Level 73 Testchar.

I really think you underestimate DS Shadow Dagger application. The First and 4th hit hit twice and they all apply one shadow dagger.

The only thing I am not sure about is how Shadow Daggers interacts with more damage multiplier from the skill tree that applies the individual stacks. because that ailment does not do any damage until it reaches 4 stacks

[fringe parrot]

Haha yes sir 😅 thank you very much

[fringe parrot]

I don't care for ease of use or how intrusive something is, I simply refuse to use it, because it doesn't feel like it should work that way or is intended

[bold brook]

I want to say more damage multipliers from skill trees applying shadow daggers (such as Flow State or Crushing Darkness in cascade) don't do anything to shadow daggers

but i haven't tested extensively

[fringe parrot]

I am just trying to pass some time waiting for the patch, I cooked up some non acolyte builds that I wanted to test after my initial Flay Lich.

This is the first time me really using this Discord and share some ideas, I usually never do that at all. Just wanted to do somethign different this time around. I cooked up a BM Solo Scorpion Build and this DS BD, thsoe will probably be my 2nd and 3rd chars after the Lich

[bold brook]

new season cant come soon enough

[fringe parrot]

Yes that is why I am unsure, the damage multiplier should be inherented for the individual stacks, but SD is a odd one because the 1 stack of the ailment does not do anything.

It should be very easy to test with DS though

DS has 75% + 30% more damage. the question is if it does work and 1 stack is from Smoke Bomb 1 stack from anotehr skill with elss multiplier and then the other 2 are from DS, how is that calcualted. I have to test

Doesn't work even if all SD are applied by DS, not doing more damage.

I specced 75% + 10% more dmg should be blatanlty apparant if that would have worked 😄

[flint turret]

Stacks of rhythm should work on sd tho

[upbeat ferry]

Hey guys, how are bladedancer builds looking this season?

Coming from someone who has never played bladedancer

[flint turret]

Even better than before

Lots of small buffs all over the place, awesome primordials

Awesome non promordials

Huge ll buff via new body too

[rugged pollen]

nothing "new" tho if that's what you're looking for

[flint turret]

Ignite and bleed prolif are new

Ds is as good as new

[upbeat ferry]

I'm trying to make a build to play with my wife. Lich is gonna be my solo character so I'm looking for inspiration

Originally thought of crit dancing strikes but I haven't done any math for it yet

Does dancing strikes animation not change at all with attack speed? It gets a more modifier instead?

[rugged pollen]

dont make DS build with the idea of using DS as the main DPS

then you should be good

[upbeat ferry]

Yeah I saw it can proc shadow cascade also

[rugged pollen]

animation should be faster with AS now

with the new change

[upbeat ferry]

Neat

[flint turret]

Yeah you are basically getting like 120+ cdr for free

If we compare it to current ds

Huge change

Also sync animation is 50% faster, another huge win

[next gale]

How much could you get before at the top end? Only like 80+ CDS right

[flint turret]

Realistically around that yeah

And it would require lots of compromises

People were asking about Ds animation speed scaling on attack speed since forever. Better late than never for sure

[spring crescent]

no is cold heartseekr or fire build better this season?

[flint turret]

oh no. peak got nerfed to 12 lp lvl?

kinda missed that

soulgambler hs for s3 https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/8t9cs0gp

[spring crescent]

@zenith bridge Hello why not ice heartseeker this season? Fire so betteR?

[zenith bridge]

I dont prefer fire crit over icicles. Playstyle on icicles is way better and you dont need to position yourself all the time with dragonsong to get fulf dps out of it. Icicles is still a very good marksman build and even got buffed this league with some potential primordials. I just try out something new with ignite, because i like to find new builds.

[flint turret]

I actually preferred to convert hs to fire even with row just because of a dragon fang flat bonus both to bow and to spell

Even tho it looks weird. But it adds quite a bit for clear as well because puncture gets that flat too

[deft grotto]

How does CDR actually affect dancing strikes? The skill says attack speed doesn't affect how fast you move so does that mean you will be animation canceling to attack faster but moving a shorter distance with each attack?

[shadow swift]

does ignite on hit chance count as damage modifier?

[terse island]

Hi guys, do you think the Falconer build will be still playable? I checked patchnotes and it got some nerfes... On youtube we can find video where ChadiLao is doing 20k corr with that build. Will it be possible in this season as well? Thanks a lot ❤️

This was his build:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb5ZOR9A

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (56)

General:

▸ Health: 1,559, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 240.35, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 144 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 56% / 28% / 28% / 27% / 15% / 32% / 37%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 546
▸ Dodge Chance: 56% (2298)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,559)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[atomic vapor]

It's the standard falconer build everyone's been using, just zhp

That build got giga nerfed so other falconer avenues will be explored most likely at face value

That said it's falconer so I'm sure something will break the game again

[terse island]

Ok thanks! And do you have any recommendations what to build in this season? Im looking for some Uber Killer build and doing atleast 2k corr. Im not sure if the heartseeker is capable of this push :/

[atomic vapor]

It's a little too early to tell what can scale wildly if that's what you're after

[flint turret]

It fastens the delays between animations basically you cast it faster

[atomic vapor]

If you start falconer, aerial assault can still nobrain all the leveling process and monos, and then you can later on swap to whatever evaded the nerf hammer, even if that is another mastery

[terse island]

Ok thanks 😄 Then i will just speedrun for Abby and then we will see

[terse island]

Yeah thats my plan

In the 1st 8-10 hours i want to push to Abby and atleast 300 corr

[atomic vapor]

Even though falconer can't generate ten trillion shroud stacks with dive bomb anymore (you have to wait for the animation to complete, and even then every shadow falcon generates only 1 shroud stack with max points now), normal aberroth probably dies in seconds with umbrals and low shroud stacks

So if you wanna farm an early good nihilis or null, you really don't need to play something experimental if you don't wanna hard swap later

But keep an eye out in this channel, new tech is being discussed

[flint turret]

I'd just play minion mourningfrost now for arsenal tbh. Back to it's roots kinda

[atomic vapor]

wonder if the new dagger will be remotely worth for any falcon builds

• to skills can free up other slots potentially

I forgot its lpl

[flint turret]

With nerfs to cdr resets valor has more value probably

[atomic vapor]

Hate how its lpl got nerfed, the +skills ranges were steep enough as is

[terse island]

You mean this one?

[atomic vapor]

Yeah but ragu is right, talon gets huge value now

[flint turret]

im pretty sure falconer will be fine

the sheer amount of more multipliers and douple-tripple dipping stats and conversions havent changed really

some were even buffed like damage per lvl for minions

from 45% to 60% on lvl 100

[flint turret]

The dagger is weird tho. Stats are definitely not bad but I just don't see a use-case where it's bis

Maybe for something that doesn't use off-hand or non crit build...

[sage canyon]

volca put it on harvest jahahahah but harvest is so bad

overal i think the same , not sure where to put it

[flint turret]

I'm a total noob outside of rogue so I'm not considering those

[sage canyon]

my dancing strike cascade got giga buffed you just put new LL armor and GG, solved tankined and sustain

[flint turret]

There is a sword with almost the same pen for dots already

[sage canyon]

and now the most important DS scale with speed, making it shorter cd, cant wait to test but my cd will go from 0,7 to 0.23 sec

[flint turret]

Yeah this change is huge

[sage canyon]

actually huge, just go speed stacking, reduced lentght of jump

and you get full 10 stack+instant arena

for cascade build will be gg

[flat tree]

you got a build planner link?

[flint turret]

If not for prolif ammy I would definitely go dancing cascade but now I have to do something with cinder and prolif

[sage canyon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1l6920gl#1 so far this, but we need to see how mana feels thats the main issue

[flat tree]

thanks

[flint turret]

I also looked through idols and idol boosting body looks awesome for it too

And having extra flat crit helps with not using peak

[sage canyon]

yess i was thinking abt it but not on this build, LL is too good and solves many things imo especially with DS mana issues'

[next gale]

its funny I asked that right before you did in the ask the devs channel because I was curious too lol.

[sage canyon]

for sync strike maybe

or other rogue builds

i have one warlock build where the new chest is massive, should be around 69 mil dps on it after buffs

was 43 in s2

[flint turret]

Yeah mana can become an issue with dancing

[sage canyon]

well if anything just unspec +5 cost point and gg

tons of dmg anyways

[next gale]

yea I was getting to about that point on mine in the planner

[flint turret]

Oh oh I know how new dagger can be used. For throwing cascade

[next gale]

which is why I was curious if there would be a bottleneck on atk speed if you got too much CDR

[sage canyon]

isnt it shadow dagger?

or its actual cascade?

[flint turret]

Actual cascade

Just throwing

[sage canyon]

u always want speed cause its more dmg for shadow cascade, DS is just a buffer/utility

[flint turret]

And maybe for phys shurikens too

[next gale]

ya I know how the skill works, I was just wondering if there would be a point where the cooldown was so low now that you literally couldn't finish the animation before a new cast or if it was entirely irrelevant.

as it said on LE tools that the use duration/delay scaled with attack speed

[flint turret]

It's not how CD works in le

100% CDr means you halve it

[rugged pollen]

it's CDR

not decreease CD

so massive diminished return

[sage canyon]

yep

u can never make it 0

[next gale]

I feel like your still not understanding what Im saying

😃

[rugged pollen]

i think we understand perfectly

and you'll probably never reach that point

[sage canyon]

what u said might happen but you need to pick less jump distance and youll be fine

there is 3 nodes on bottom

[rugged pollen]

try getting as much CDR + AS from every source and see how much you can

[flint turret]

Animation finishes, delay starts, delay ends, new animation starts. You can't make either of them 0

[sage canyon]

it will shorten animation

[next gale]

Thats all I was curious about, if that point was even possible

[rugged pollen]

that actually sounds interesting

someone should try to break the game via making DS animation as fast as possible lol

[flint turret]

Don't forget water shrine too

[sage canyon]

im def doing it in s3, the flow tech 300% attack speed

[keen cliff]

Which warlock build?

[next gale]

ofc you cant, but the point I was trying to figure out is if there is a breakpoint where the Cooldown is lower than the actual animation time you take for each strike

[rugged pollen]

oh can you remind me of this again

[sage canyon]

it will be on maxroll in upcoming days, profein veil crit

[rugged pollen]

how do you gen flow stack without consume?

i remember someone told me a while ago but i forgot

it could have been you even

[flint turret]

Ds is a 4-hit combo already, no?

[sage canyon]

idk i just hold ds and sync strike and it works

ye ds is 4 combo

[deft horizon]

does falconer umberal blade want attack speed now because of CDR?

[sage canyon]

so its self ramping

[next gale]

^

[lunar socket]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWk7bPZQ

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 71

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (61) / Falconer (1)

General:

▸ Health: 1,047, Regen: 117.4/s
▸ Mana: 178.86, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 47 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 112% / 75% / 114% / 94% / 88% / 43% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 209
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1065)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (419)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 53%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Puncture / Shadow Cascade / Shift / Shurikens

[lunar socket]

Do you know which one is more important for weapons from this build, crit multiplier or flat melee damage? @flint turret

[rugged pollen]

is there a cap or it jsut goes on forever?

[sage canyon]

no cap

xddd

[next gale]

100 stacks atleast on LE tools but yea might be no cap

[sage canyon]

it has soft cap by stack duration

[next gale]

so its rly just however many stacks you can get in 5 seconds

[sage canyon]

i think the most i was reaching on my acid flask with like 100-150% from it

on ds it wasnt that impressive, i dont remember how much i was getting maybe 40-60

[next gale]

I mean yea that makes sense, since it was entirely cooldown gated b4. Now it'll be self ramping too

[rugged pollen]

what's the stack duration, i dont see it mentioned anywhere

the node just says stacks got reset if you dont use unique skill in 5 second

[sage canyon]

4 or 5 sec

ye then 5 sec

its def not infinite stacks lol my flask wouldve gotten 1000% speed