🔪┃rogue

[surreal birch]

The timing is what does phase skips?

I had him down quite consistant earlier today but whether it would skip was still quite random, don't understand that aspect yet

[atomic vapor]

be as close to his hitbox as possible

inside if you can

[surreal birch]

Yeah I was humping the hitbox

[vernal zealot]

Yeah the current one i have is just stacking as many blades as possible, it cant do monos at all lol

[tight wraith]

Does anything proc explosive trap?

[surreal birch]

With the marksman crit vulnerability talent, does that mean I need 90% on char sheet to be capped? Or significantly less?

[austere zephyr]

why is it that sometimes my shadow cascade damage is 20k while other times it says 5k or 7k?

[surreal birch]

I'm not sure. If its not because of a crit, it could be any number of buffs, including falcon's mark or the rouge passive that gives every 3rd hit a big buff

[austere zephyr]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9w0klno
this is the build im doing

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 76

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (55) / Falconer (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,392, Regen: 16.64/s
▸ Mana: 132.38, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 19 Dex / 0 Int / 0 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 51% / 51% / 60% / 65% / 56% / 51% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 278
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (490)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (270)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Shift / Synchronized Strike / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades

[surreal birch]

I don't know those skills, I'm sure you can find it i you go through. But to start with your shadow cascade has a node that gives it double damage when you ahve 4 shadows

It also has a low health multiplier

[austere zephyr]

wether i've got 4 shadows or not the dps estimate is the same

[surreal birch]

I wouldn't expect it to change

[woeful ether]

that;s why i said technically it is, given equal raw values.

[atomic vapor]

I did a 015 with my +1 shadows gloves

I don't think it goes any lower with standard umbrals, it's either 0:15 or oneshot with shift

also I'm pretty sure double t7 +1 shadow gloves would be better than perfect liraka

anyway these are my gloves

and I got a 0:15 with both now

my opinion is, it doesn't matter, kill speed is virtually the same

and that's mostly because you aren't getting a double t7 throw dex with +1 shadows in this lifetime, but even then, I can see it go a single second lower because my uber takes a second to instnatly pop after 1st harby dies

so ultimately, same thing

[surreal birch]

That's some dedication

What's the trick to getting him to just pop like that?

Is it RNG or consistant?

[woeful ether]

you finally expanded your filter for all shadow glove bases?

[drifting veldt]

@surreal birch got the boss down , thanks again for the tips :>

[surreal birch]

Awesome, congrats!

[nocturne wave]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/shadow-cascade-bladedancer this guide explains it well

[atomic vapor]

Sync strike and grind kills. I can do this 1/20 times or so

[atomic vapor]

It was too silly to try and grind, I figured might as well settle for one with 4 good stats. I'm salty about the purple stat on the champ affix but it's whatever

[carmine crest]

Any idea how to balance attu/int wisely. Im playing heartseeker icicle. All items kinda in 2-3lp stage. Using ucenui sphere. Im kinda short of ideas because every slot is already used by bis options

how did you make it 😄

[graceful hare]

I would only use that part of the Sphere, if it is either a build without any need to balance at all (cause not using Int/Att) or that needs piece to balance it. Else it should not be worth.

On your second question about examples:
I use it on Umbral blades (no need to balance anything) and on a cold convert Acid Flask, where I had to take some Att to balance the Vial of Volatile Ice. I took a Helm prefix here, as I was lucky to have a 4LP Snowblind

How much are the values off in your case?

[atomic vapor]

What part of cold heartseeker has int/att anywhere

Can you post your planner @carmine crest

[carmine crest]

reign of winter (icicle) has attunement

in my case 11 roll

[atomic vapor]

Ohhhhh right the bow

I only played fire heatseeker my bad

[graceful hare]

Ah I remember. Not sure but I think I remember that this build often just ignored this line of the Sphere and just went with the simple buff, or? 🤔 Never played that myself

[carmine crest]

Currently using meh exalted gloves to balance int and attunement with 11 int roll on gloves 😄

[atomic vapor]

You can just say screw it and slam one red ring with int

[graceful hare]

I know Trikster was deep into this build and made a guide on LEtools iirc - could be a good source for this question

[carmine crest]

I think ill just slam that 11 int from gloves to some unique. No worthy to ruin red ring with 11 int. bricked 6 red rings last night with no lp rolls 😒

[atomic vapor]

Imo don't waste gloves

Ucenui is super common at 2lp

[carmine crest]

I have just one red ring with 16 dex and another with 40 cold resist because im using mourningfrost boots

[atomic vapor]

Try to hit it on relic

[carmine crest]

yeah smart ty

[atomic vapor]

Int + multi ucenui should be very doable

[carmine crest]

yeah i have couple 2lps in stash. Currently 3lp with multi and phys res (mourningfrost) third stat missed

[atomic vapor]

You can get phys res from small idols it's not the end of the world. You're ranged you can even run undercapped for a bit a random death isn't too detrimental while gearing

Imo get that damage boost

[carmine crest]

Yeah did campaign and normal monos and some empowered with -100 phys and frost 😄 its just blasting tru 😄

[carmine crest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Tapsa92/character/NotWindforcebowazon its mess. Got the items on last night.

[atomic vapor]

Looking fine to me. The most obvious upgrade would be the belt

Other than that you just need better slams nothing too crazy

You're at a stage where the build functions

[carmine crest]

Yeah I feel I need more dmg. Belt and quiver needs upgrade. Missed like 4 quivers with slams. Tried to slam bow attack speed + flat cold damage

[atomic vapor]

I've missed more slams this season than I can count

Hang in there

[carmine crest]

Yeah love the gearing. OG plan to make this marksman was just to get some rogue exalted t7 drops for sync strike mono blaster. I tried this heartseeker hoping its fastest farmer and I already had items for it

[surreal birch]

I started working on this yesterday. Finding damage is very meh yet - have some better gear but worse slams than you, some of yours are pretty wild but easy to fix. Havn't decided on sphere vs shattered but I didn't even think of the int/attunment thing. I've seen people running the str self damage/ward relic for tankyness

Can kinda tickle uber. Would be on track for the 10 min kill time I've seen in vids...

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1YYbxaA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (75) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,749, Regen: 32.75/s
▸ Mana: 173.88, Regen: 12.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 34%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 113 Dex / 17 Int / 31 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / -4% / 76% / -16% / 77% / 85% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 1,039
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1361)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (924)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 2%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Shift / Shurikens

[surreal birch]

Def not fast farmer compared to falcon, especially as cold. It does address a few things about the umbral playstyle I don't love (aside from scaling stuff) but yeah not sure how I feel overall. But if you want to farm its not this

Some belts have one. One o them is actually quite high, maybe too high to be able to balance the weapon roll. But that would be a strong option as belt slot is meh for the build

@atomic vapor am I missing something in this build that would make cold/elemental dam a bad stat? Or is it just that without shroud, scaling sucks?

[atomic vapor]

From what I'm seeing your dex is low, I don't know what the best belt for heatseeker is but I'd assume it's the jungle belt for the dex, but don't quote me on that

But also you're lacking a lot of dex nodes in the passives

Again I'm not an expert on heartseeker so take it with a grain

Ragu would be way better at helping you out

[surreal birch]

You are right I didn't check over passives, those are basically random. Although not that wildly off I hope

Belt is purely to min/max def (I was going to be upset if I missed the slam which I already did so I brute forced...). Jungle is pretty meh. No mionion, phys dam no help. Mostly people take brew b ut I didn't want to waste my high lp ones

I had a double t7 quiver brick and lose the 2nd 7 😦

On a lp3

[atomic vapor]

I still can't think of a better offensive belt, even if the physical is useless

Flat dex with mourningfrost is hard to beat

[carmine crest]

Yeah its mess from passives 😄 changed them many times when i was leveling to 80 to get all the items on

my dex has changed from 150 to current

[atomic vapor]

Btw even with insane gear and like 180 dex or however much heartseeker can get maxed out, don't expect anywhere near the kill speed of all the broken builds currently

Heartseeker isn't the build to pop bosses in seconds

[surreal birch]

I know

I wanted to play something different

Btw how does crit vuln work. Does it mean I can just take 90% crit on char sheet and be good? Or is it actually giving me 10% flat crit so I'd need very little on char sheet?

[carmine crest]

I have all the good builds, erasing strike, judgement, timerot uberroth, serpent strike uberroth one shotter in progress, currently doing warpath with that erasing strike. 30-1mins +1k monos oneshotting everything and screen wide warpath without mana problems but case is i want to try one sync strike contender for that warpath. but lacking those t7 rogue items

[atomic vapor]

It's as if the target having the debuff gets crit with that value added to your base crit

[carmine crest]

its funny to find interesting builds from youtube. Its usually that one guys channel who doesnt have much view counts in videos and youtubes algrorithm doesnt want to show his videos 😄

[atomic vapor]

You're decked out, I don't have time for more than one character

I work a lot irl sadly

[carmine crest]

yeah im on vacation

[surreal birch]

But which is the base value? Is it the same as 10% flat crit chance on weapon? Or is it the same as going from 90 -> 100 on char sheet?

[carmine crest]

this build i talked about. lucky i find this from youtube - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVpuBft9qg

check the corruption

[atomic vapor]

Flat. It's like a flat crit slam

Yeah I know about that build pretty tanky

[surreal birch]

Ok that's huge. In that case I'm overcapped like CRAZY. Not sure how to figure how how much I can drop

[atomic vapor]

I wouldn't

Helps with mapping

When you insta pop everything, you don't wanna see white numbers

[carmine crest]

and here is the secret uberroth killer that isnt any meta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpH18L-zwLw

shuriken

[surreal birch]

I'm at 95% without that though

So currently I have like 9 points wasted

[atomic vapor]

Are we talking about heartseeker? I don't remember where the build gets increased crit

[surreal birch]

Relic, peak,f lat bow

[atomic vapor]

That's enough for 95%?

The 6% from heartseeker goes strong

[surreal birch]

A few idolos but not many. So basically yes

[atomic vapor]

Nice

[surreal birch]

Also a +2% passive

[atomic vapor]

Yes I know about the flat sources

I just didn't remember the increased ones from the tree if any

[surreal birch]

Looks like there's a stacking buff of 5*15% increased crit

[atomic vapor]

I hate those so much

[surreal birch]

Oh wow. Actually my bow crit is like 120% on char sheet even before multiple buffs/debuffs. And I just respecced to dump a lot of passives

[broken barn]

Is there a certain order I'm supposed to play Aerial Assault, Dive Bomb, and Falcon Strikes?

[woeful ether]

no

[atomic vapor]

I love how you're minmaxing dex when we don't even scale umbrals off the ground anymore 😛

Did you hit crit chance with daggers on barbute?

[verbal pier]

no, 32 added phys throwing dmg

[atomic vapor]

What did you cook to crit cap, crit chance blessing?

I see 2 stouts so that's 60

[verbal pier]

the explosive things help u deal more dps cause its +1 blade when its explode after u cast AA

[atomic vapor]

True true, but you manage to get 220 without removing throw from anywhere?

Oh wait duh, barbute

Nevermind that's how

T7 dex too on it?

[verbal pier]

yess

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEvvGnMo

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (16) / Falconer (55)

General:

▸ Health: 2,189, Regen: 38.4/s
▸ Mana: 243.66, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 41/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 220 Dex / 28 Int / 16 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 74% / 76% / 74% / 77% / 118% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 438
▸ Dodge Chance: 56% (2287)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,724)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 16% (161)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 19%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades

[verbal pier]

here

[atomic vapor]

Since you're using minion ring, you should experiment with torch. It should probably be a dps increase for you

You won't miss out on +skills that much

[verbal pier]

yeah it increase the explosive things

I have 4LP but dont have good affix to slam

[atomic vapor]

I will never get over how you managed to get double t6 shadow gloves

Insane drop

[verbal pier]

I have Triple T6 on shadow glove too

but failed to redemption

[atomic vapor]

If you had hit that, it would probably be the best loot in the entire season

Did you just spam the champion maps or random drop?

[verbal pier]

random drop

[atomic vapor]

😭 giga

[verbal pier]

I have 1 mirror for glove, but I give it to mucho

[atomic vapor]

Nice nice giga drop still

[verbal pier]

I mean its actually droip T6 dex+T6 throw

[atomic vapor]

I have 1 mirror for mine too, 6fp. Will give it to my friend

Would be so nice if you had hit a t6 health

[verbal pier]

all T5 I dont have balls to remove

[atomic vapor]

I wouldn't either

[verbal pier]

I just reroll the affix tho

[atomic vapor]

Also try to make a good liraka for maps. You don't increase many shroud stacks when mapping

130% multi is so good

[verbal pier]

yeah I have decent slam for 2 LP

I want to slam my 3 LP with dex throw + hybrid health or crit avoid

[atomic vapor]

You know what I was thinking earlier. An insane dagger you could hit would be multi/phys pen/fire pen/increased phys/parry

I think double pen would be so good

Especially with high multi

And with your dex too

[verbal pier]

if I got another 4LP thats what I want to slam

+fire pen

since I dont have shred my 4 LP using 1 shred

[atomic vapor]

Imagine if that's what allows the oneshot

😭

Without shift ofc

[verbal pier]

It cant HAHAH I just got higher dps first explosive it becomes 64% + 10-20% shield or sometimes its 50%

and its too fast, before reaching 100 DS Stacks its already 64%

[atomic vapor]

Yes I get to 50 sometimes too but it's soo rare lol

Ofc I have worse gear but still

[verbal pier]

yeahh and RNG for oneshot after slam cause need arming time for explosive and 130++ DS Stacks

[atomic vapor]

Yeah that delay is so problematic it creates a little rng

[verbal pier]

yess and george getting 4LP dagger really exhausting cause need to prop - turtle - tower - prop - turtle - tower wtf

until u got lucky

[atomic vapor]

That's what I did with nihilis. And I bricked 4 so far. I think it's the last item I will try to get because I'm exhausted yeah

The 2lp rng is the worst

[verbal pier]

too many affix on nihilis😭

[atomic vapor]

33% is a bad chance for losing good loot

[atomic vapor]

8 rolls + getting the amulet + 2lp + keeping all nihilis to put in nemesis and using all the 2 affix ones to reroll a 2lp and watching that cutscene over and over to get woven maps and then doing Uber as well rinse repeat

Imo worst item in the game to farm

It exhausted me

[verbal pier]

I want to reroll this cause have low roll on throw but yeah the rng I hate it

[atomic vapor]

19% more armor I wouldn't touch it

That's so much armor

Keep it like that not worth it

[verbal pier]

yeahh max res too

[toxic swift]

lol it's just 5 flat damage. you're far more likely to brick the nihilis rolls with rolls like that than you are to get a marginal increase in throwing

[verbal pier]

but my eyes sick looking at low roll throw hahaha

Im searching for the other one for phys pen + throw I think

[atomic vapor]

If you're still not burnt out, I'm pretty sure you can get another one in 2 months (I don't think season will be sooner)

[verbal pier]

and reroll like shit

[atomic vapor]

Multi is more dps than pen without lirakas. Who was it that did the math laosiji or svarog?

You need 700 multi for pen to be better or something like that

I'd try to hit multi

Ofc the difference is tiny but yeah

[toxic swift]

could always play another build too

[atomic vapor]

Meru has a 3lp triple t7 titan heart and doesn't even have a VK😭

The opportunity is right there

[toxic swift]

could also try a whacky build since you've already got one op farmer

[atomic vapor]

@verbal pier Do you have 4lp ladle? Time to make stygian coal

[toxic swift]

that's what I've been doing lately, although I keep bouncing around so nothing ever gets to a "complete" state

[atomic vapor]

I have a 4lp ladle and 3lp stygian coal and I'm too burnt out to make a lich

[toxic swift]

I have almost 1800 hours in this game and I have yet to make a single acolyte

[atomic vapor]

I made a profane veil last season and got to 600c before 1lp slams and imprints

But I hated how slow she was

[toxic swift]

I don't much care for minions, and for whatever reason spells in this game feel like crap to me. There's no punch to them

[atomic vapor]

I think it's moreso that if it's not a mana stacker, you're missing out on the fact that you've got limited options for flat compared to busted rogue getting throw everywhere, or scaling mourningfrost, or VK getting like 250 flat off the 2H

It's very hard to justify it even with spells coming with inherent flat

[toxic swift]

oh I didn't mean damage "punch", more actual feel to use. I think it's a combination of the lackluster sound design, and probably some of that as well

[atomic vapor]

I think stygian coal feels nice but I dislike anything else resembling a spell this season. Glacier was alright last season I guess but the hype came from the 10 trillion ward not so much the damage

[toxic swift]

I keep trying to like my spellblade and runemaster and I always drop them after a few hours

[atomic vapor]

If only meteor felt like the d3 meteor

Just bombarding the screen and clearing everything

[toxic swift]

I really liked devastation builds in grim dawn

[atomic vapor]

Last one I played was that nasty one with the triple spinny blades and the physical projectiles from the amulet from that twin boss in the latest dungeon, but I don't remember the specifics. I could do the endless thingy at floor 100 or so

But it's been so so long

It had like the stacking spam skill from the shaman tree that stacked up to 5 or 6, then just murdered everything with those chakram shuriken things

[toxic swift]

sounds like a trickster of some kind with blade spirit maybe

[atomic vapor]

Yes I think it was a blade spirit trickster. Very very fun

Also had the vines as a debuff

[toxic swift]

nightblade is definitely my favorite, which I guess is also why I have 4 bladedancers lol

[verbal pier]

I dont have,only LP 3

my LP 4

[atomic vapor]

Oh you didn't get lucky with a rare 4lp

That's basically what I have as well

My ballista bow rolled max flat crit and I was considering it but I'm so burnt out

[atomic vapor]

My first toon was a shadow dagger bd, nothing fancy, mediocre damage

Still was fun

[verbal pier]

Im done with ballista too all double Exalt slam

[atomic vapor]

I don't like ballista too much personally in all honesty

[toxic swift]

I keep coming back to shadow cascade patch after patch. It's just so satisfying

[verbal pier]

its my last slam before, but yeah ballista only for farming

[atomic vapor]

I hope cascade gets a little buffed, I'd love to either try low life cascade season 3 or the build misha showed, with falconer getting nerfed to oblivion I'm on the lookout for a build that can do Uber in 2-3 mins with good gear (I'll probably make another rogue)

[toxic swift]

I don't think shadow cascade itself needs a buff, but BD's passive tree could use some love

Potion chugging low life shadow cascade is super fun

[verbal pier]

I like rogue

but why only falconer OP

[atomic vapor]

Id just vastly prefer to play something that doesn't take a full calendar day to kill uber even if mapping is fast

[verbal pier]

S1 its marksman haha

[toxic swift]

well tbf bladedancer was considered op before runemaster came out

[atomic vapor]

That's because there wasn't anything that was an hp sponge in the game with gigantic ward phases

Anything can pop mobs in a hit nowdays

I want something that can double as a good boss killer

Not as absurd as falconer killing Uber in 15 seconds

But a 2min build sounds good to me

I am dying to see the patch notes

The thing I enjoyed the most out of what I've seen so far was that hail of arrows build, I bet it clears screens like it's nothing

I hate farming for quivers but I'll manage

[pearl forge]

it took me like 7 to 9 mins as bladedancer to kill uber with quite decent gear

the talent tree just lacks dmg kinda

[verbal pier]

Max

max too

Im done with falcon now

[prisma marlin]

very nice what build will be next?

[eager mason]

[atomic vapor]

I'll try to do nihilis and then I'm done too

I need a break till dino season

[atomic vapor]

The bd gigachad 💪

[sage canyon]

how did u die

[eager mason]

multi hit

[carmine crest]

How in the f*ck this reign of winter heartseeker can pull out 1k corruption monos 😄 im at 200-250 now and damage is starting to fall off. no damage uprades left

throw me some bladedancer, falcon mono farmer builds which kinda telestomps and clears screens like umbral blades with those boots or something like that

[toxic swift]

I find the "no damage upgrades left" hard to believe if you're falling off at 200 corruption. link your character if you're interested in getting support for that build?

I think maxroll has good falconer builds if you just want something to reference for the umbral build

[carmine crest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Tapsa92/character/NotWindforcebowazon nothing special left to make miracles for the dmg

[toxic swift]

I don't see anything glaringly wrong with your gear, but something isn't quite right if you're having issues at 200 with that setup. I guess it would be most important to reach higher crit chance, but I'm guessing with crit vuln and bow mastery you're basically at 100% anyways?

I don't have direct experience with that build so maybe someone could be of more help there

you could try swapping to dragonsong instead, shouldn't be too much gear change from what you have tbh

[carmine crest]

its 100 and mind heartseeker flat crit node for helping it. Yeah the damage started to fall of after 200. Ill try to go for 600 corruption. I think its enough for good t7 rogue items farming

[toxic swift]

well icicle is ideally going to be doing more damage than heartseeker, so you'll want 100% spell crit

all of that flat cold from mourningfrost is going into icicle with 500% effectiveness, so that's huge

[carmine crest]

trying double bow speed slams in reign bow next if it changes something

[toxic swift]

you could also opt for spell damage humble idols rather than bow damage

and some extra crit there if you're not quite hitting 100% spell crit

and if you really need it, then there's grasp of the blood mage gloves too

[carmine crest]

glad I asked. cant see everything anymore 😄 been staring this char too long now 😄 ill try these things

ty

[flint turret]

You can try to match it with tundra helm if you can cap crit

[flint turret]

Its not that bad, I stopped at 1500 with semi-low lp items

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnPP7q0o

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (60) / Falconer (18)

General:

▸ Health: 2,877, Regen: 35/s
▸ Mana: 221.02, Regen: 13.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 129 Dex / 16 Int / 31 Att / 43 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 75% / 124% / 81% / 85% / 94% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 1,103
▸ Dodge Chance: 37% (1284)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (983)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Puncture / Umbral Blades / Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver

[flint turret]

You are missing the best node in puncture which hurts your clear
Get 50% more damage to the north

More damage per ailment is good too

Nihilis ammy would be an easy upgrade with t7 multi

And 3lp gloves between paws and boulder if you don't have ravs or vise

Also missing lots of attack speed on starting rogue and mm passives, get them

[carmine crest]

Yeah tested something and the attack speed nodes left like that.. i have bunch of items ready for temporal chest now. im gonna try those things ty for help 🙂

HOHO how about 2lp julra gloves for pure dmg? 😄

10 spell damage roll on them for icicle 😄

[carmine crest]

@flint turret Okay icicle dps peaked at 140k at skill panel now after little upgrades. Heartseeker something 125-135k dps. Dunno about real damage because dont have 100% crit by template.

lot of upgrade

[flint turret]

Nice

[thin quartz]

It’s no wonder your damage is that low.

[thin quartz]

I assume you’re hitting dummies yeah? Those are inflated numbers.

[carmine crest]

Ill only do monos

[broken barn]

Which unique ring (besides red ring) goes well with umbral blades falconer build?

[toxic swift]

ocearon

penumbra probably works okay too

[atomic vapor]

phantom grip as well

[orchid dragon]

my slash just changed to puncture anyway to change it back or no ive just started playing

[atomic vapor]

if you mean your basic autoattack, that's something that doesn't have a skill tree and is therefore effectively outclassed by literally anything else

click here and change it to something else

however you probably don't have other options if you just started out

puncture is a very good leveling skill so I'd suggest sticking to it

[toxic swift]

Yeah, it has AOE which is nice early on

[atomic vapor]

if you get this node on the skill you can do the entire story virtually naked

[orchid dragon]

okay ill keep puncture on, is dual weilding good or pointless?

[atomic vapor]

it's very strong

[toxic swift]

more weapon is more better

[chrome ermine]

Does Falconry care about element when inheriting stats from Avian Arsenal and Trained to Hunt?
As in, since it does physical damage, would it need to inherit e.g. physical melee damage, or does elemental work?

[thorn bone]

Hi! I'm currently trying to farm specific items, but unfortunately I'm mostly getting drops I don't need. Right now I'm focusing on getting a dagger and chest with 7/6 affixes but I haven't had any luck so far.
Is there a particular method or strategy to improve my chances of finding these items? I'm already using Exalted Dagger prophecies and spamming Tower Echo, but nothing useful has dropped yet.

I found a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c85gAulCpEs) and copied the Weaver tree from it. Would it be possible for you to review it and share any tips or suggestions? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjWVXgWo (Weaver Tree)

[sharp raven]

Primalist, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 1,106, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 2 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 1%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 221

Used skills:

None

[graceful hare]

This and the following posts explain quite good how you chase exalted via imprint, maybe that is of help?#❔┃ask-the-community message

[carmine crest]

@atomic vaporHeartseeker done 😄 Currently going falconer shuriken aka fake marksman 😄 630-690k shuriken dps in skill icon. shoots like marksman but with 550% crit multi 😄

[atomic vapor]

you're unstoppable I swear

I wish I had your fortitude

[carmine crest]

its kinda meme because u have to aim yourself but keeping u focused all the time 😄

@atomic vapori think im going to try decoy or pure acid flask one next 😄

[weary widget]

Useless combo, but fun to see

[toxic swift]

shuriken my beloved

I like doing it as low life bladedancer

[carmine crest]

yeah just started doing monos see corruption 😄

[toxic swift]

oh yeah lol

[atomic vapor]

I've never used the yellow color, doesn't it murder your eyes

[carmine crest]

its my favourite color 😄 but meh its just universal loot filter from google for end game

[atomic vapor]

oh alrighty, I make my own, I see

[carmine crest]

dunno how much this dmg peaks because im not using chakram and 12% damage per shuriken per throw node. chakram is 100% more dmg

[atomic vapor]

I hate aberroth with a passion

what's this nonsense lol

[carmine crest]

UWW not worth at this point (chakram node) maybe with the gear that you even won lotto jackpot faster than get it

[carmine crest]

this gear i meant. lp2 shattered and red ring with lp2. cmon write down lottery ticket right now

[atomic vapor]

whaa who me? I don't have 2lp red rings

I have more important things to farm, wait

what're we thinking? will I brick it when I finally get throw/dex/health?

[carmine crest]

yeah i meant that shattered and red rings with lp2 is kinda rare 😄

[atomic vapor]

I'm at like 600+ ubers it had to happen at some point 😭

[carmine crest]

throw dmg, throw attack speed and dex u meant?

[atomic vapor]

no no this is for umbrals, not a real build

no attack speed

dex/throw/health

[carmine crest]

ahh yes

[atomic vapor]

how much do those go for?

[carmine crest]

what u mean? ill play cof ssf

[atomic vapor]

oh wait really? why did I think you were mg, I just realized the cof tag is there

[carmine crest]

yeah

So you play umbrals? did you farm uberroth with it or using something else for it?

[atomic vapor]

that's what I play all season, I like focusing on one build

[carmine crest]

@atomic vaporMind to link ur character? my uberroth killcount is pure zero 😄 im avoiding such screen cluster fights 😄

[atomic vapor]

I made a planner if you want https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3qeVX7Q

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (16) / Marksman (16) / Falconer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 2,335, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 258.12, Regen: 14.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 200 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 82% / 82% / 90% / 87% / 76% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 817
▸ Dodge Chance: 47% (1737)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,411)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 98%

Used skills:

Falconry / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades / Dive Bomb

[atomic vapor]

but it's not super minmaxed for dps

for example I have parry and shred on daggers for some qol with maps

[carmine crest]

hmm so this does uberroth easily?

[atomic vapor]

basically 0 effort

[carmine crest]

If i just use lp1 amulet, armor and maybe lp2 belt and some other relic for first kill is it gonna be hard?

[atomic vapor]

the planner is minmaxed on purpose

it shows good slams for a high lp item you might get lucky on

it's there to answer "what if I got a high lp gear piece in that slot" questions

[carmine crest]

ahh yes

[atomic vapor]

my first uber was with 1lp gear

btw that build is 10000% not suited for very high corruption, it lacks a lot of health

it farms 1k fine

[carmine crest]

i got this. i have clean lp4 peak helm and maybe few 2lp belts. other things i already have

i think its enough 😄

is there anything special difference anymore after that

on drops

[atomic vapor]

uhhh I'm not really sure. I mean 3lp lirakas are relatively common I guess

and you could farm 3lp razors

but I wouldn't think that far

[carmine crest]

well shattered worlds is the thing I need 😄

dunno how much it changes the game 😄

[atomic vapor]

get any purple relic with throw/dex

you'll kill uber just fine

[carmine crest]

i have like 30 stashes of t6/t7 items 😄

for every build

[atomic vapor]

I'm at 52 tabs currently yeah lol 😭

[carmine crest]

yeah im at +100 total 😄 im lazy with them 😄

[atomic vapor]

I've gotten very picky later into the season

so I threw out a lot

[carmine crest]

but yeah i think i have couple of those relics and there is always those that i can gamble with rune of havocs

[carmine crest]

Hmm low life shuriken?

[slate mulch]

Shuriken disappointed be this season

I think it’s still weaker than shadow cascade

[verbal pier]

george my rogue now only need T7 Crit on Idol:(
Its decent rightnow with cap crit chance
174 Throw
222 Dex
642 Crit Multi
66 Pen
711% Inc Phys dmg

[chrome ermine]

Is anyone aware if Ethereal Arrows scales off Infused Discharge mana consumption?

[clever arrow]

Anyone running a traitor's tongue uber killer build that is still working?

[toxic swift]

Yeah, using the death's door passive for damage reduction and more crit multi

[carmine crest]

Dunno about that 😄 https://youtu.be/5CRH-9_YDgI?t=86

cant really see is it 6k corruption

[broken barn]

Am I supposed to have bleed chance and/or slow chance on umbral blades / falconer build?

[lunar socket]

do bladedancer is a mastery who create shadows to gain mana?

Three of skills from bladedancer's passive tree is crazy on mana cost

[graceful hare]

Not on your equip if that is the question. It is not anymore part of the Umbrals scaling afaik.

[atomic vapor]

slow is but you already get plenty of it

[graceful hare]

Help me? I was just looking if I have oversights here

[atomic vapor]

Ironically 6% more for a normal class is great, but for falconer it's not that big when you get 2500% more from dusk shroud

This will be way more valuable after falconer gets nerfed

[graceful hare]

Ah that one, yeah, but that's really a minor one, isn't it

[atomic vapor]

Right now it's just a little bonus

Yes you can move those points anyway else honestly

[graceful hare]

And for bleeding I would have said, it is hard to avoid any bleeding, but also absolute not a scaling factor anymore

[atomic vapor]

An endgame falconer can stack like 100 or so bleeds iirc which do absolutely nothing

They aren't a detriment though

[graceful hare]

George, while I have you here, I have to ask a question that may be embarrassing, but I don't get it:
Why Shattered Worlds (on umbrals). Yeah the skill point is nice, but does any skill but Smoke Bomb need it?
What does SW add that is helpful for umbrals, that Sphere does not have? I don't see it. (Aside if you make another 20-dex stack probably)

I mean Umbrals have a huge scaling and 400 increased isn't the world, but it is 400 increased

[atomic vapor]

26 dex = one more explosion. The explosions are a massive part of your damage

10% less dmg taken is always nice because rogue is squishy unless built tanky

5% crit is super helpful to crit cap because without it you have to take a lot of unnecessary increased crit (70% blessing or crit chance while wielding dagger class affix or two stout idols or a combination of those)

It's not that any single of those stats in itself is super important alone

But all 3 combined is massive value

[graceful hare]

Yeah I see all the QoL, but crit is indeed nice.

Why "26 dex"?

[atomic vapor]

I assumed you'd slam dex. If you can get to the next threshold for razorfalls, get dex slam. If not, get throw

[graceful hare]

Still unfair to the Sphere, which we should assume the same slam 🙂

And Sphere get easily both, Throwing and Dex. For a 2LP SW you have to farm a bit

[atomic vapor]

The problem with ucenui is you have to heavily invest into cold damage which doesn't scale as well as physical for rogue because the explosions scale with physical

Mouseover the explosions skill in the umbrals tree

If you don't go physical, you do less dps by definition

[graceful hare]

That's why I'm putting my questions, but yeah, I see what you mean

[atomic vapor]

No problem, and it's not the end of the world to go ucenui until you farm a better shattered worlds

I'm only explaining why physical> cold

[graceful hare]

Haha, my plan is rather to stay on the Sphere for the rest of the season 🙂
This falconer is a tool to me, not a love project 😄

But I can only plan to do so, if I understand what I will be missing/or not be missing. You helped me a ton already, thanks!

[atomic vapor]

Falconer does so much damage that it doesn't really matter even if you go half naked tbh. I'm only answering your questions, ofc you make the decisions

[graceful hare]

One last please: 1LP perfect SW, perfectly slammed vs 3LP Sphere with double T7 slammed prefix

Would you already drop the Sphere at that point, or only with a 2LP SW?

[atomic vapor]

Depends on the rest of your gear. Will that dex from shattered push you to the next +20 dex threshold? Do you need the flat crit from shattered worlds to crit cap currently? If either of those questions is yes, I'd go with shattered worlds

Keep in mind getting the 70% increased crit blessing loses you 40% multi

That's like a t6 slam

[graceful hare]

Was just about to say. You can't critcap w/o Sphere, if you don't drop dmg elsewhere

[atomic vapor]

That's why that 5% flat is so incredibly helpful. You can crit cap in other ways, but it's a pain and it costs you stats

But like you said you're not trying to minmax

[graceful hare]

Nah, but I have very slow eyes and more dmg, means more Uber, means a good SW for my VK 😄

And slamming a 1LP SW could be an option. Only didn't see it so far. Now I'm more tempted to try phys scaling, even more as one of my dagger would fit to that

[atomic vapor]

That's another issue with investing into cold even with ucenui. If you slam %increased cold on dagger, you need a new dagger

If you slam cold pen, you need new pen

Or new idols if you got pen on those

The switch hurts

[graceful hare]

Yeah. That is exactly where I am currently.

[atomic vapor]

Where are you planning to drop the crit% from to add the one from idol?

[graceful hare]

Let's see how this goes

[atomic vapor]

Oh I forgot the most important argument part about physical vs cold. You're phys shred capped from the dive bomb tree

You don't have cold shred

[graceful hare]

Yeah. I see. That makes sense

Honestly, if a 1LP SW can compete alone, that would shorten our current project (playing together with a friend) by a lot.
Very easy to slam a SW instead of a 3/4LP Sphere 😄

[atomic vapor]

If you can kill uber under a min with your current gear

And you wanna farm a 2lp shattered

It's not that hard

Just place down like 100 maps

And spend an evening

The problem ofc is hitting the slam 😭

[graceful hare]

Yeah, finally got to that point. I mean, I don't have too much love for this build, but I guess I already have more stuff then some people that main this 🙂

[atomic vapor]

ES isn't too far behind if you're around a min

With good gear ES clears in about 1:30

That's not as much as people think it is since you don't just do infinite maps constantly

If it was a matter of regular map speed I'd understand

But you go in, do an uber, or do 20 or however many you put down, then move on with farming

If that takes 10 min more who cares

[graceful hare]

...
Yeah, I see a task

[atomic vapor]

That was me before I hit the t7 on null

And I'm not as crazy as Meru to go for 220 dex

I just wanna make a nihilis and I'm done I think

[graceful hare]

I have that, but have "only" T5 dex on Helm and Boots yet

[atomic vapor]

I don't think I hit 220 dex even with t7 dex on helm (I have t7 throw t7 health)

So I won't bother personally

[graceful hare]

I would need a perfect Razorfall for 220, and that is something I don't see happening for this char

[atomic vapor]

It took me two weeks to get 16 dex 32 cdr and 11/12 dex unique affix

And I gave up I was wasting time

One thing I wanna make after nihilis is the gloves you have because I have an almost perfect 3lp lirakas (126% throw 15% endurance it's a beast)

And I have a triple t7 glove

It should be worth to grind

[graceful hare]

Hitting a tripple is hard sometimes tho

[atomic vapor]

If I don't try to hit it those gloves go to waste

So I'll try

[graceful hare]

Glad we can settle with a double here, I mean you have seen the gloves. Yeah, could be better but still really a nice piece to me 😄

[atomic vapor]

It's infinitely better than mine already so

And I could really use more health

2500 is meh

[graceful hare]

Yeah, I'm more a Primalist/Sentinel guy usually and I feel naked with 2,9k with SW now

[atomic vapor]

I can just swap to a full health set and be one of those 4k health rogues. I could drop jungle and make a double health and cdr brew

But I'd rather save my energy for season 3

I think it's unnecessary

[graceful hare]

Thanks so much buddy, your insights already gave me a huge push again!
I could get my tooltip dmg (I know it lies, but indicates a liiiiiiiittle) from 70 to 83 and the first Uber with SW was the most easy so far

Underestimated the "soft facts" from SW here massively

[atomic vapor]

You already did a kill with shattered? Nice

[graceful hare]

I'm a try hard farmer and usually have some riches stashed 😄

[atomic vapor]

So I'm gonna assume your rogue is a decent boss killer after the changes

Perfect, mission success

[graceful hare]

It was okish already, but get's better and better, yeah

[atomic vapor]

Maybe rogue will grow in on you a little more now, who knows ;P

[graceful hare]

I like rogue very much. I played very nice memish throwing builds early seasons and enjoyed them very much.

[atomic vapor]

I'm a little biased because I like falconer a lot (regardless of how broken it is)

[graceful hare]

I cared less about broken builds, as long as we had no content for that. Now, with Uber (that I really dislike tbh) that looks different to me.
But I want that shiny stuff too and I'm far to bad for a +10min fight - so I want to abuse the broken stuff too 😛

[atomic vapor]

I wish falconer was simply "strong" and not completely broken

A build can be strong without being bonkers

That would make gear progression even more fun

Like ragu says it doesn't matter what you do because falconer will still murder everything

And that's also why it's hard for people to test what works better

Unless you do the math it's hard to tell you're doing something wrong when you see 8 digits everywhere

[graceful hare]

Not every Falconer is broken imo, but yeah, it is easy to go the broken paths

And Umbrals is just super sick

[atomic vapor]

It's broken in its core. Not just damage wise. A ton of interactions either work unintended or don't work at all

There's a reason why falconer gets more heated opinions than timerot or swarmblade

Even if they kill uber in one hit

Falconer is just broken and needs a lot of patching up

[rugged pollen]

Maybe because falconer has been broken since its existance, despite ehg "effort" to nerf it

And timerot/bug is new

The shroud stacking umbrals has been there since forever

Albeit in other form

[graceful hare]

35s now thanks to you! ❤️

64->36-> 0

[atomic vapor]

Try to run some maps with it

It's pretty cool imo

When you reach high dex like you do, you get very good screen clear

Not like ES

But having multiple explosions pop off at the same time is good enough for the screen clearing vibe

[graceful hare]

Yeah, it is really an okish mapper

[graceful hare]

Warpath is the king for me 🙂

[atomic vapor]

Btw this is a better kill speed than 99% of the falconers this season. You can only get to 64->0 with basically minmaxed gear

(or +1 shadow gloves)

[lunar socket]

Any bladedancer players still here?

do bladedancer is a mastery who create shadows to gain mana? Three of skills from bladedancer's passive tree is crazy on mana cost.

It's what I want to ask.

[verbal pier]

Actually I want move speed affix on ornate, but without Crit% I cant cap my crit chance

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I just realized you have double crit% ornates I see

[verbal pier]

If I can get 10 att + 24 dex + Healt% on core of the mountain

I can reach 240 dex

but I love mantle of the pale ox HAHAHA

32% hp + 10% movement speed

[atomic vapor]

240 would still be bonkers 😭

But ur right pale ox has such good stats

I've been saying that all season

[verbal pier]

I got the perfect throw idol from @graceful hare the other perfect Idol from random drop

[atomic vapor]

I got two 8% 45% as well but

Only t6 enchants

They refuse to roll good

[verbal pier]

agreed!

since S2 I use pale ox cause it gave 2 decent affix hp and movement speed

[verbal pier]

haah no hope rerolling idol

[atomic vapor]

Pale ox is literally two t7 health slams

[flint turret]

Kinda, there are multiple ways to get mana

[atomic vapor]

I love it

[verbal pier]

with my build I cant overcapped ress, cause I remove 1 RR to cap crit chance

If I can capped ress I think I will switch to null portent

[orchid dragon]

what is best subclass

[atomic vapor]

that's the only reason why I use null portent yes. Because I can comfortably overcap

I wish null portent had more health

But I'm greedy haha

[verbal pier]

btw george for helmet

its better flat health T7 than %health T7

[gentle kernel]

I'm wanting to make a Heartseeker Marksman, I looked up the maxroll guide to get an idea of what items I'll wanting to look for but like for some reason they don't have anything between the bare minimum starter gear and like double red rings, ravenous void, etc.

[atomic vapor]

I know, it's more health. But it's so painful to farm for helm, so many class affixes 😭

[verbal pier]

yeaaa helm is my hardest one to get decent 4 perfect affix

[atomic vapor]

I've been talking to volin and I realized maybe the 6% more from slow isn't too crazy for maps, I was thinking to take those passive points away and put them somewhere else but I don't have any ideas yet

[verbal pier]

I remove it HAHHAHAH

I changed to max dex = armor

[atomic vapor]

I already have that but I have 0 points in tailwind

Maybe I should put them there

[lunar socket]

what are these except created shadows?

[verbal pier]

if u need another dmg reduc I think u can put 4 on last tree for concentration passive

I forget the name

4 points = 8% move speed + 10% dmg reduction

[atomic vapor]

I wanted something more permanent, what was that passive called that gave movement speed bonus with 5 points

I should get that one

[flint turret]

#🔪┃rogue message

[verbal pier]

1 point for meditation + 4 point for reflection slightly better than u put 5 points in tailwind

[atomic vapor]

You're right interesting

[verbal pier]

I mean like even I do trove / echos or bossing my concentration rarely in cooldown

[atomic vapor]

Same you barely get hit true

Sounds like a good option

[verbal pier]

yeaah thats why I swap tailwind to that nodes

and if u want to remove 6% more dmg from slow

u can put it on tailwind or the other passive u think its good

[atomic vapor]

Since I stopped caring about Uber speed because I don't think it can go down more, I've been wanting to look into ways to make maps better

[lunar socket]

emmmmmm then create shadows is the most simple way I suppose 😅

[atomic vapor]

So yeah I'm gonna take that 6% off

Really good point

[graceful hare]

I should really polish my passives once again, guess I last looked at those a looong time ago 😄

[lunar socket]

I have no idea how to connect these skills together to form a chain about shadows now, though

[flint turret]

What skills are you using?

[verbal pier]

I need to slam boneclamor ( dex + health ) and 3 LP claw + Dex Throw Health then Im good

having line 3k++ HP

[lunar socket]

What I want is gain mana by skills only

[flint turret]

Usually it's sync into shift or sync into sync having wave of darkness. Or smoke to create shadows and then sync while running

[verbal pier]

play with me then give ur exalted Belt when we got obsidian,I just need it to imprint and give back to u HAHAHAH

[atomic vapor]

Nooo I already gave it to my best friend 😭😭😭

[verbal pier]

I think I failed a lot getting decent belt😭😭😭

so I give up

[atomic vapor]

I have 6 amulets with t7 throw t7 multi

And no nihilis LOL

Yesterday I put down 65 Uber maps

Nothing 😭

[verbal pier]

tbh for me getting 2 LP shattered world easier than 2 LP nihilis

[atomic vapor]

SAME

It's crazy

[lunar socket]

I'm new to bladedancer, so I want to try all of bladedaner's skills but I meet mana issue even in the beginning duration.

[atomic vapor]

I have 4 bricked 2lp nihilis in my bank

Missed the roll 4 times

I have 10 nihilis with 2 affixes

To reroll a bad 2lp

And still not another 2lp found

This ammy hates me

@verbal pier Btw two of my amulets are 57% 43 one off-perfect

If I manage to hit it it's almost a max rolled nihilis

But the game refuses

[verbal pier]

u need to use decent nihilis

if its trash nihilis ur perfect affix will be wasted

[atomic vapor]

If I hit a worse nihilis it ruins my defenses so I can't afford a bad one anyway

That's the biggest problem yeah

I have 300 more eyes and there's a good chance I won't make it 😭

[flint turret]

Spec shift with cascade trigger and mana gain instead of flask

And replace dancing with smoke or sync

If you intend to do damage with cascade that is

Or at least tell us what are you trying to do

[lunar socket]

this is a good question 😅

[tropic narwhal]

pick a single node Dagger Dance in shadow cascade

it will add tag "throwing" and you'll able to get -3 or -4 mana cost depending on roll on both your rings

it will fix it for the start, till you get good mana regen gear

just fish for - flat mana cost for throwing skills

even t1 roll will help

if you want to trigger it with dancing strikes, you'll need to stack cooldown reduction on your belt, boots and ring implicits

so your best in slot rings both opal rings with crafted - mana cost for throwing skills, cooldown reduction on boots and belt

if you want even more dmg, pick a node in dancing strikes that will leave shadow but only when you solve rings -mana, then you'll trigger shadow cascade with shadow, it will hit twice and you can pick umbral blades that will spawn from shadows every thime they expire

they will add more dmg with explosion node

so you'll trigger 2 skills at the same time by pressing 1 skill

this node enables umbral blade spawn

dancing strikes don't benefit from attack speed, no need to fish it on gear

just look for crit, crit multi, mana regen, flat physical damage

[lunar socket]

that's the direction I'm going

🤔 The damage from shadow cascade much better than dancing strikes

[tropic narwhal]

it is

dancing strikes base dmg very low

[lunar socket]

🤔 I'm confused why it's the exclusive skill of bladedancer

[tropic narwhal]

cause it doesn't work without dual wielding

most of the blade dancer skills combos require 2 weapons

[lunar socket]

lol but shadow cascade need dual wielding too

[tropic narwhal]

that's the point of subclass, offering you specific gearing and playstyle

it will define defensive layers that you get and gameplay

[graceful hare]

Fixed!

[flint turret]

Check out dreads guide on throwing cascade then

[toxic swift]

you can bypass the dual wielding requirement if you use it via shift

[silent relic]

I hope season 4 updates rogue

Marksman and bladedancer especially could use some love

[tropic narwhal]

with the amount of bladedancer uber aberroth kills compared to other characters

sure

it does needs some buffs

flat dmg is ass on skills

[atomic vapor]

buff falconer too pls I can't reach 10 digits

[atomic vapor]

yoo what did you change?

[graceful hare]

As it's not really a "main" to me, I could settle with this helm, that raised me just to the 200, gave me a bit more HP and solved crit (over the top forever)

[atomic vapor]

yeah the only drawback is that you're losing some throw

but that's giga health

[graceful hare]

Yeah, 3,1k almost, very comfortable

[atomic vapor]

super nice tbh

especially since you hit that 200 dex

[graceful hare]

Quite satisfied with her now (beside a few flaws like the enchants)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Volin/character/VolinMitVogel

[atomic vapor]

insane gear for how long you been playing

drop the caltrops imo completely and add both points to AA cdr

and remove one point from rushing wings in dive bomb, for some ungodly reason it's a dps loss

also this is useless

it only gets triggered by regular dive bomb not shadow dive bomb

which you interrupt with AA constantly since you cast one after another

[graceful hare]

Switching those points around (like you as I have seen) all the time. It doesn't seem to matter much where the last points in some skills go

[graceful hare]

how?

[graceful hare]

Yeah just trying that agin. CDR is reasonable

[atomic vapor]

laosiji is using this

which seems to be working, I get 220 stacks max on uber with sync strike

you might wanna do that swap as well

[graceful hare]

Interesting!

[atomic vapor]

everything else looks cool, pretty well set character

[graceful hare]

Your input helped a ton!

[atomic vapor]

no problem at all, I learn new things every day myself

[graceful hare]

I'll try above

[graceful hare]

When exactly do you use Sync Strike?

[graceful hare]

But what you drop if you skill that?

[atomic vapor]

falconry

it's not for mapping, just for uber

[graceful hare]

I don't get it

ah wait

I see

[atomic vapor]

your shadow falcons cannot exceed your maximum shadows. with 5 max shadows you have 5 shadow dive bombs

that's how you get ridiculous dusk shroud stacks

[graceful hare]

yeyeye, THAT part was clear.

But now suddenly with the explanation that you specc different for uber a few things that I have seen make much more sense 😄 This was probably one of the last pieces that was missing for me

[atomic vapor]

if you mean my kill speed yes, I don't think I can do 64-0 with falconry

[graceful hare]

I'm new to sync strike, any other key nodes to spend attention to?

[atomic vapor]

the rest is fluff

as useless as the bottom part of falconry

they basically do nothing

[graceful hare]

Cool!

[toxic swift]

the crimson shroud nodes are pretty key too imo, at least if you're not getting it anywhere else. 15% reduced dot damage

[atomic vapor]

that's where I put it too but it has very small uptime

this is also useless

another skill shadow dive bombs don't proc

you will never see it happen, AA constantly interrupts your dive bombs

[toxic swift]

the benefit outweighs the cost

[graceful hare]

Wow, hard to maintain mana

[atomic vapor]

mostly because you've got virtually 20 points to spare yeah

[graceful hare]

And I don't really check how to use it, I see barely more shrouds atm and then I'm OOM in no time

[atomic vapor]

try again with 3 points on mana

[toxic swift]

falconer really is a silly mastery man

[atomic vapor]

it's 100% nuts

[toxic swift]

the "what if we designed a rogue with negative restraint" mastery

what annoys me the most is that it's both better at generating and utilizing shadows than BD

EHG pls

[atomic vapor]

it's better at literally everything

2500% increased and 2500% more

this is just messed up

[toxic swift]

almost every single uncapped buff has been abused at this point lol. wonder if the lesson will be learned this time

falconer is just rolling in dusk shroud, meanwhile BD gets a measly 30% chance on melee hit to get it

but hey, at least we've got death's door

kek

[atomic vapor]

when I finally hit this, it felt like the 140% increase did absolutely nothing

(I should've tried to roll fire pen)

[toxic swift]

my wish for the next season is that BD gets another skill that's actually a spammable melee skill that uses shadows

feels bad that all but one of the best shadow skills are throwing

[atomic vapor]

a bd scaling throw would be fine if it could machinegun like falconer (not to this ridiculous extent)

throw is powerful because it's a flat stat that goes in almost every gear slot

I'd scale throw over anything else if I had the choice

[graceful hare]

I think I still don't get it when to use Sync

[toxic swift]

you used to kinda be able to do that with SD, but I think they went 1 nerf too far with it

[graceful hare]

I don't really see more DS

[atomic vapor]

one second before uber becomes damageable, and sit very very close to him so that all of the explosions from the umbrals hit it at the same time

[toxic swift]

the two BD builds I keep coming back to are shadow cascade and lightning chakram, but they both play almost identically

[atomic vapor]

if chakram had comparable single target i'd love to build it

I just don't think "just a mapper" cuts it in the current power level

[toxic swift]

it's got decent single target if you focus less on throwing spam and more on sync strike spam

at least in my experience

[atomic vapor]

yeah I obviously have zero experience with it but, for example

if I'm gonna build a rogue that isn't falconer

the most attractive thing to me currently is misha's hail of arrows

insane damage for a non broken class

[toxic swift]

I just think BD is neat

so that's fair

[atomic vapor]

I played SD pre harbingers

I loved every second of it

but those were innocent times

[toxic swift]

I've been playing shadow cascade since beta, and tbh it's gotten better every patch, but hasn't kept up with the newer stuff

chakram too actually

[atomic vapor]

I have low hopes for any heavy bd change given the focus on acolyte

[toxic swift]

yeah same

I just wish they would do small balance tweaks mid season, but I'm sure it's less of a desire problem and more of a resources problem

[atomic vapor]

i tried using this in an umbrals build and I realized how sad my effort was speccing into a skill that comes with 50% more

when umbrals come with 2500% more

just a sad sad reality

[toxic swift]

yeah they really need to put a cap on that damage node, and/or limit the amount of dusk shroud falconer can generate

[atomic vapor]

funny thing is, you could limit that to something reasonable and it would still be absolutely busted with those idols

both need a cap

[toxic swift]

I mean, none of this stuff was busted until falconer rolled around lol

you used to be able to get like 15 dusk shroud at most, maybe 30 if you rolled a T7 dusk shroud on melee hit on your chest and used a spammable melee skill

but then falconer dropped and had like 5 different ways of getting 100+ dusk shroud, when it was only ever balanced around being below 20

just absolutely 0 restraint put into the mastery, and we've seen the repercussions of that with nerfs & bug fixes every single major patch since its release

[atomic vapor]

and on top of that there's a trillion other insane interactions. shadow falcons copying skill that you interrupted

AA instantly refreshing dive bomb

[toxic swift]

yep

[atomic vapor]

AA summoning umbrals every milisecond

[toxic swift]

they're going to be playing whack-a-mole for a while if they just keep nerfing the top OP build one at a time

I still can't believe that they nerfed dive bomb, and then subsequently dropped traitor's tongue and razorfall

actually insane

[atomic vapor]

I think there exists a world where falconer can still own all of these funky absurd mechanics but in a balanced manner

[toxic swift]

definitely, but they need to put a cap on almost everything

[atomic vapor]

putting caps to things would still keep it at top tier without breaking the game

we're literally talking about a class that can add throw in every single gear piece lol

other classes struggle to even find flat

[toxic swift]

or if you have infinite CD resets, then the skill needs to be dropped in power to reflect its spammable state

I'm okay with top tier, just not broken to the point of trivializing every other rogue mastery

BD has no identity atm, partly because its signature skills and passives are ass, but also because falconer is just so much better at everything it does

marksman at least has an identity, though it's still in need of improvemet

either way, I'm going to continue playing my BDs because I do love the mastery

[atomic vapor]

fully agree BD's identity has absorbed by falconer to like

a 60-70% margin

if you don't run shurikens or cascade or something

umbrals have been fully absorbed by falconer

[toxic swift]

I bet falconer would be better at both of those, but no one has bothered because umbrals are so strong right now

[atomic vapor]

it's moreso that gearing would be near identical. you'd still use razors because of the + to dex skills and 12 dex and throwing attack speed since AA won't leave your bar

and the rest of the gear would still be dex throw multi pen

all that would change would be the skills

[lunar socket]

why zero cooldown time for shadow cascade but I can't attack consistently by casting this skill consistently?

[toxic swift]

well that's what happens when you make absolutely insane items like razorfall and tongue lol

[toxic swift]

did you take the "no attack speed scalling" node?

[lunar socket]

Oh....OHHHHHH

[toxic swift]

lol

yeah if you want to spam dagger dance you need to take the channeled one, and that node is garbage

only consumes shadows on the first cast, not while channeling

[lunar socket]

damn so I must accept the slow attack speed if I want to throw daggers instead of melee attack 🤔

[toxic swift]

I wanted to do something like smoke traversal where I sit in smoke, channel dagger dance to consume shadows generated by smoke and shadow on kill, but alas

yep, but realistically shadow cascade is best rotated with sync, so it's not a great spam skill anyways

[lunar socket]

ok it's the first lesson 😵

[atomic vapor]

i don't want to interrupt but

wish me luck, 5th this season

[toxic swift]

you're missing a lot of damage by not taking the "more damage per attack speed" and "more damage per shadow" nodes

Oh only level 12 though

[toxic swift]

gl

[atomic vapor]

jesus christ I am free

[toxic swift]

🎉

gz

[atomic vapor]

4 nihilis bricked before it

my soul

thanks ❤️

[graceful hare]

Nice one

[atomic vapor]

looking fresh

@graceful hare

summary of people that just copy builds

[graceful hare]

😄

Ye, ARPGs in a Nutshell

[toxic swift]

must break their brain when they find out falconer can be both a minion and player build

even both at the same time

[atomic vapor]

no what they're doing is

remember juse's build that buffs dive bomb

basically stuck pre divebomb nerf

[toxic swift]

not really I don't pay attention to falconer builds lol

[atomic vapor]

nono I mean that's what THEY remember

when falconer popped off s2

[toxic swift]

ah

[atomic vapor]

inheritance added stats to falcon

but scaling umbrals, inheritance is outclassed

[graceful hare]

Btw making progress on the Sync front, we really have fun here exploring that stuff currently 😄

[toxic swift]

they'd still get very far with minion-scaled falconer though if they want, but being confidently wrong is amusing

[atomic vapor]

they'd get far half naked

the original question was "finished falconer my ass, where's your inheritance"

to which I obviously didn't entertain

[toxic swift]

lol

I love general chat

[atomic vapor]

it's a gem

time to do my due dilligence

helping out my ES friend

@graceful hare i don't know if you guys are aware since you play together

[toxic swift]

bless

[atomic vapor]

but what obsidian actually does is add the "dropped in the same map" tag to an item

you spend one, you can move it back and forth

[graceful hare]

What exactly? 🙂

That trading in group?

[atomic vapor]

yes I mean ok so say an imprint off cache procs

which isn't giftable

if you use one obsidian

you can move that piece around between two people

not just once

[graceful hare]

That definitely doesn't work

We just doublechecked btw

[atomic vapor]

I'm doing it right now, I'm moving that titan back and forth

with my friend

[graceful hare]

That is a bug then

[atomic vapor]

unless the system is horribly bugged as always which I am not putting beside EHG

yep figured 😭

[graceful hare]

It does not work for a body armor that I gave him today with Obsi

[atomic vapor]

I wonder what's causing that inconsistency

imagine if a relog breaks it lol

[graceful hare]

We use them quite often, that is why I was puzzled and had to double check again

[graceful hare]

Interesting take, we'll try next time we use one

[atomic vapor]

same if I have to relog later it's the first thing I'm trying

this game has so many inconsistencies it's driving me crazy

[broken barn]

But where are we getting our slow chance from?

[broken barn]

So are we just using blood Roost gloves for the +3 falconer and Dex then?

[atomic vapor]

dive bomb

[broken barn]

Ah ok I see it now

1 point in that dive bomb node is more than sufficient?

[atomic vapor]

it is but the passive itself is very miniscule

don't expect a noticable increase

better spent on defenses

[brittle spindle]

Anyone playing a Heartseeker bleed build?

[graceful hare]

If you want to use them, yes, only for skills and dex. Mostly for the dex imo.
I like that the meta has shifted to Li'Rakas - it makes more sense to me as it directly scales the umbrals and it should have a lower LPL despite being more common

[verbal pier]

gratzz! finally u done everything

[atomic vapor]

i am free!!!!

gg great season, waiting room time

[verbal pier]

DAGGER 4 LP HAHAHAHA

[atomic vapor]

😭 you're trying to kill me looool

[verbal pier]

hahahah

I min max falconer but the result I got all double exalt slam for ballista,ES,rot and some item triple T7 lol

[atomic vapor]

that feeling when you farm so hard other classes get completed on the side 😭

[verbal pier]

already 3k its 1k higher than last time I share

[atomic vapor]

I havent decided if i wanna push yet

too lazy tbh

[verbal pier]

I still stay at 2.5k if it can be one click 10k I think I still can clear it cause I rarely getting true hit from monster, maybe died cause of DoT

600 abberoth

[atomic vapor]

I wanna spend all my eyes

300 more

[verbal pier]

haha u are 300 kills higher killing harbinger

[atomic vapor]

helped my friend get a good worldsplitter haha

[lunar socket]

both of your achievements are insanely amazing

I still keep zero Aberroth kill record :)

[slate mulch]

finally got a rank 1 in a class for once with arena, now i am left either to play falconer the only class left i havent tried or take a break

[rugged pollen]

it's not even on hit bro

it's on use

😂

"direct use that hit" even

and it's not even BD exclusive

well not like anyone else would ever pick that shit but you get the point

[toxic swift]

pain

[glass abyss]

Whats a viable rogue build that could kill uber abby? No bugged/scripted stuff

[flint turret]

Lots. Need to be more specific in both "rogue" and "could kill"

Bd lm, shuriken, cascade
Mm traps, hail, heartseeker
Falconer anything

[teal sundial]

speaking of rag

I found a way to make blade shuriken not shit

it turns out, if you sit inside the enemy, you will hit with every blade the moment you cast (because they spawn inside you and go outwards)

and you can spam throwing attack speed

and it does good enough damage

and you can just use shadows for clear

I just finised a z2h run the other day, took it from level 1- like 700c in like 2 days of playtime, and it felt pretty good for the most part

the only problem is its heavily reliant on enemy size, like a good example Orobyss is a little more difficult because he has the smallest hitbox ever

[glass abyss]

I mean, with normal gameplay. Skilled is fine but not with use of micros or bugged builds, also not dodging every singel attack for 30 mins straight

[lunar socket]

Dear rogue masters, a question is here:

Do +9 cold penetration in max is the reason why players chose reign of winter instead of Drelkor's compass for heatseeker marksman?

[flint turret]

Any of the 6 outside of a falconer. Ranged from 2 min to 10

[flint turret]

I think I already saw you talking about it in one of your videos recently

[teal sundial]

yeah

[flint turret]

Yeah I didn't know about that

[teal sundial]

it felt amazing to actually play a real shuriken build

I have some footage of it in the video I just posted

it has like good damage scaling cause you have all the lightning shuriken affixes and stuff

Misha tested it with UA but couldnt find a way to get away from the dual daggers unfortunately

but for everything else it was great

[flint turret]

Yeah it's tough to not have tongue on a throwing build

[teal sundial]

oh no I was running double fulgerites

[flint turret]

Can try with bow maybe

[teal sundial]

but yeah tongue is op op too

[flint turret]

And zurial

Anclient fly maybe

[teal sundial]

whats cool is you have 100% uptime on blade shield

so lots of free armor unconditionally

[flint turret]

Hmmm

How about this + tundra helm + shadow string

For double smoke and crit cap and no dual damage penalty

Can become pretty tanky

[teal sundial]

Actually at that point you put on an ekkidrasil and abuse the 19 mana you gain on use every time you cast shuriken

Cause of mana warp and the other node

Then you'd be supremely beefy

[glass abyss]

Okok ty, might try the bd lm

[flint turret]

Won't be easy but doable

[glass abyss]

Trying to find a build that could kill it, been trying for almost 2 weeks with my lightning blast mage but i just cant do it

and i dont want to cheese it, takes away the purpose of playing for me

[flint turret]

https://youtu.be/Xzf5ZEhKUf4?si=-v67qm9RpRawrgX8

[flint turret]

Yeah I totally get it. I killed it with crit heartseeker but it took me 3 days of practice

And I didn't want to use super high lp items or Uber Abby items

Vise makes a huge difference

[glass abyss]

Yeah and i dont mind the grind for the items to get it, im CoF and gridning the items myself is actually the part i really enjoy

appreciate the help

Like, i wouldnt mind to cheese it after ive killed it atleast once. To farm the items ofc

:kek

[lunar socket]

Do +9 cold penetration in max is the reason why players chose reign of winter instead of Drelkor's compass for heatseeker marksman?

[flint turret]

Not really, it's more about icicles

I haven't done calculations but from dummy testing I'd say that icicles are around 20-30% of your single target dps

[lunar socket]

Do icicles make row better at ranges?

[flint turret]

I tried to calculate 3lp fury vs 1lp reign and without icicles fury should have been 30% better but the DPS is actually the same from dummy hp clock

[flint turret]

Better than what? Its best in all situations imo

The only issue is to get it slammed with 2lp

You can dish out more DPS with dragonsong if you don't move at all, but in real fight you will be missing lots of proc from it

Wasd movement makes you shoot from your back, and you will be gathering some black arrows most likely too

Outside of simply dodging boss skills too

[lunar socket]

I wonder why it's better than Drelkor's compass for heartseeker marksman

[flint turret]

I just told you so. Icicles are around 30% dps

And it's giving cold flat which you amplify with cold shred/pen

While you don't really have anything for phys

[lunar socket]

Then such a pity indeed.

[flint turret]

And you can't comvert cold flat from mourningfrost to phys

There are simply no relevant bow phys flat sources in game

[lunar socket]

I can't find 2lp row so I can't enjoy the max damage

[flint turret]

Its best even with 1

Well, it's on par with 3lp fury that is

Which is pretty crazy because using fury also makes you match int to att and it's still the same dps

[lunar socket]

💀

Yes you verified my case is dead unless I get a 2lp row

[flint turret]

I gave up on it. I failed 5 to 6 2lp row slam

I entirely gave up after I turtled 2 stash tabs of 1lp row, then 20 nemesis towered it and got not a single 2lp from that

The best I got was the t7 flat t5 shred which is basically 1lp because shred is useless on heartseeker

[lunar socket]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGakaEmA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 97

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (73) / Falconer (9)

General:

▸ Health: 2,482, Regen: 129.43/s
▸ Mana: 137.49, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 122 Dex / 6 Int / 13 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 81% / 76% / 80% / 25% / 147% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 80%, Threshold: 665
▸ Dodge Chance: 32% (1092)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,786)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 34%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 108%

Used skills:

Shift / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb

[flint turret]

Bro

Where is your mourningfrost bro

This build doesn't function without it

Most of the damage comes from them

[carmine crest]

With falconer I use that new armor which has damage to minion thing. its kinda OP damage reduction

[graceful hare]

Is Mantle bugged? oO I thought it wouldn't work with Falcon (how it should be)

[carmine crest]

Dunno I feel lot tankier after I tested it but i have t7 health% on it

might be it too because mantle has it own health% too

dont brick ur good mantles in this case 😄

[graceful hare]

I only know the damage reduction shouldn't work with Falcon. Doesn't mean that this is actually the case, tho my question

[carmine crest]

hmm need to test better and look closer the hit dmg and falcon health. Never did that because just blasted forward like crazy 😄

[graceful hare]

Falcon has no health

That is why Mantle should not work on it

I know Mike said in one of the early S2 streams that it is intentional that Mantle doesn't work with Falcon, cause obviously it makes no sense.
But EHG wanting it to be like that, doesn't mean that it actually works like that ofc.

[carmine crest]

Yeah I think there is still bugged nodes left and maybe someone abuses them all the time but wont tell anybody because playing total alone 😄

[carmine crest]

hmm is there change to get like 0 cd on shift and just spamming it with shuriken nodes and clearing monos like that? 😄