🔪┃rogue

[verbal pier]

give me ur belt

[pale quail]

yeah yours is so good

[verbal pier]

I think I have 2 LP4 10 dex belt

[atomic vapor]

I wish I could play mg

I can't camp the market

I work daytime

[verbal pier]

u still have mirror ur exalt belt or its already 0 FP?

[atomic vapor]

I have the mirrored one yeah

I will try to hit a 3lp brew

For maps

[thin quartz]

cd + dex + throwing, for belt?

[pale quail]

should i go for experimental for less smoke bomb time?

[pale quail]

there is no dex on belt

[verbal pier]

but it can swap ur throw right?

[atomic vapor]

for some reason any further reduction doesn't work for me. the node on dive bomb does nothing

[thin quartz]

ahh right right. i forgot, mine was cold + health + hybrid health.

[atomic vapor]

unless that one is bugged

and I tried with cdr shrine too

still 8 smoke blades

[thin quartz]

couldnt get trips 7

[atomic vapor]

I love that belt

big survivability for minimal dmg loss

I have a perfect 3lp

but I'm scared

[pale quail]

i need to chaos the fire damage first, if it goes to phys dmg i will keep it, or i gonna risk it for experimental

[atomic vapor]

mike stream in 15

I'll brick this before season ends

and I'll hate myself for it

[thin quartz]

no you wont.

[pale quail]

More reduction is for Synchronized Strike, cuz it has 5.5s cooldown(with double T7 cdr) while shadow only last 5s. I dont think your build need more cdr

[atomic vapor]

I meant this

[pale quail]

ah

[atomic vapor]

I've tested it a million times

it does nothing

either I'm dumb or...

[verbal pier]

goodluck!

[verbal pier]

yes it doesnt, same as DS before update

only mana do

[verbal pier]

wait, shadow only 4s I think

[pale quail]

if i dont remember it wrong, it works for me when i play acid flask

but after that many patches, i havent test it

[atomic vapor]

does acid flask use smoke bomb as traversal

or AA

[pale quail]

as traversal yeah

[atomic vapor]

I really don't know then

yw to try it yourself. with or without it

8 smoke blade stacks

[pale quail]

ye will try it

[verbal pier]

smoke blades depending on ur smoke duration

less duration less smoke blades

its when I try it before

[atomic vapor]

36% cdr means another smoke bomb overlap

i should get at least 2 more stacks

I don't

it goes 787878787878 super fast

both with 0 and 3 points in the node

[verbal pier]

yesss max 787878

8 only like 0.5s

[atomic vapor]

and it's really dumb because

if it worked and it was like 2 stacks more

that's 40 throw

40 throw is more than one more t7 slam

it annoys me so much

[verbal pier]

how to increase DS stacks on dummy? I think my highest like 215ish

I want to reach 100m umbral

[pale quail]

It works isnt it? @atomic vapor

[atomic vapor]

I just realized what's going on

I think it only applies to direct casts

so when you interrupt dive bombs

from the main falcon

[verbal pier]

try spam dive bomb

[atomic vapor]

yeah

exactly

[verbal pier]

shadow doesnt reduce the cdr

[atomic vapor]

not only does shadow not reduce it

but the main falcon doesn't get to use divebomb

AA keeps interrupting it

ughhhhhh

[verbal pier]

yesss

[pale quail]

yeah that's so wierd

Its not working at all

[pale quail]

Must be it

[atomic vapor]

i will test it with birds aren't real later but I bet it still gets tagged as a skill used by a shadow i don't expect it to work

[pale quail]

the max shroud i can hit rn, the average is around 180-200

really need double T7 and 5% cdr to test it out, at that time Synchronized Strike would be 5.2s

[pale quail]

Its 5s

[pale quail]

tyty^^

[surreal birch]

Anythign interesting in the steam?

[atomic vapor]

two mg symbols

a skull and a scale

@verbal pier I did it

15 second kill with my gear

Uploading it

@pale quail tried your sync strike setup and I deleted it

thanks a lot for the idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn0ICx7BzV4

[pale quail]

6s Uber

Seems no one post it in Eng community xD

[atomic vapor]

eeeasy oneshot 😭

is that with the shift retracting blades?

[pale quail]

ye

[atomic vapor]

it's been posted before yeah

I've been trying to oneshot from 64 with a non gimmicky build, I know meru can do it with god gear

but my gear is worse, sync pushed my dmg exactly where it needed to be

it's obviously not consistent

[surreal birch]

How does it decide when you are gonna one shot something vs take forever

[atomic vapor]

that's not a usable build, with shift

it's just a boss deleter

[surreal birch]

Nah I mean like even on my char, sometimes it will just skip multiple shield phases and the boss just dies instantly

What makes it not trigger shields

[atomic vapor]

you get way more stacks if you stand directly in his hitbox, but it's hard to make the laser face away from him and then go into his body

it needs a little practice

I got 210 stacks with sync

[surreal birch]

I've had it happen on harbingers and other things too

is it just a case of them being bg and having a lot of stacks?

[surreal birch]

Hmm this would be pretty valuable on MG?

[woeful ether]

dang how are you still awake if you're aus

[surreal birch]

I mean its literally 9am

But my sleeping pattern is weird and I got up and like 5pm yesterday

[woeful ether]

figured you were awake through earlier which was 1-3 am lol

[surreal birch]

Yeah 😛

[woeful ether]

i have aus friend but afaik it's either 12 or 9? hours diff from me depending which coast

so am familiar with some aus struggles

[surreal birch]

Yeah I do stuff with people in PST

Its 4pm PST

Is EST earlier or later

[woeful ether]

later, 8 pm here

[surreal birch]

Weird I thought it was 3 hours between

[woeful ether]

7 pm* typo

[surreal birch]

Ah

[atomic vapor]

time to farm a relic

[surreal birch]

When you are using nem to search for bases, what standard do you use beore you will empwer vs banish

T7 on a slot you want?

[atomic vapor]

yes

[woeful ether]

can't be mad about that

[atomic vapor]

still ain't got one

on the grind

[woeful ether]

you want an armor shred one?

[surreal birch]

Trying to get cdr on my ones

[atomic vapor]

yeah it'll let me take those 5 passives out

[surreal birch]

Or should I get crit multi

[woeful ether]

you need 2 or just 1?

stick with whatever you get t6

[atomic vapor]

just 1

I don't have shred on daggers

[surreal birch]

But it is increased shred efect? Not armor shred chance

[atomic vapor]

I don't cap without this

[woeful ether]

cdr would be good but it's quite rare

i hate that this is useless t2 but not gonna roll over the cdr

[atomic vapor]

a 70% shred effect on around 80 stacks is cap

[woeful ether]

are you gonna look for a 90% effect too :P

[atomic vapor]

my current ones

😭 well I mean

pffft I'll try

(I got another 45 one which I'm rerolling)

[woeful ether]

dang i need another throw dmg one

i've been getting real bad rolls

[atomic vapor]

there u go

84 stacks with 70 shred effect

if I drop as low as 70

I'm fine

[surreal birch]

My point was more because its "increased" you still need to have another source in the first place

So it doesn't save you a roll

my stacks build super fast on one glove roll, getting them up there never seemed like it was hard?

[atomic vapor]

maybe I'm tired but I'm not understanding the question so I'll just explain

1 shred = minus 100 armor from the target

70% increased shred effect makes that minus 170

so if you apply shred without increased shred effect, the line becomes close to flat at around 100 stacks (becomes less useful before that)

[surreal birch]

The premise was that getting efect on idol would save you a roll or a passive slot

[atomic vapor]

5 passive points yes

[surreal birch]

My point was you still ahve to have it from somewhere in the first place to increase

[atomic vapor]

yes, which you do

[surreal birch]

Yeah

But having increased effect doesn't save you the roll slot

Cause you can't drop that base source

[atomic vapor]

you can

wait

[surreal birch]

"increasd effect" does nothing if your "chance to shred" is 0

[atomic vapor]

I'm taking this to overcap me as fast as possible so that when uber phases out of his first shield, he's at -10.000 armor

your base shred comes from umbrals

[surreal birch]

Oh I missed that

[atomic vapor]

if I only have this with no shred slam, the stacks don't ramp up fast enough to blast him instantly by the time I come back from the time shattering slam

[surreal birch]

So shred on gear is wasted rolls

[atomic vapor]

so I'm choosing to consciously overcap so that I get 100+ stacks instantly for that one big oneshot blast

[surreal birch]

Fair enough

[atomic vapor]

the way I do that currently is by adding those 5 passives at the expense of a little tankiness just for uber (which doesn't matter because I'm unkillable in that fight anyway)

so I want those 5 points back at the expense of one idol enchant

not enchant, affix

[surreal birch]

Should I drop my shred rolls on gear

Since umbral has them?

[atomic vapor]

with umbrals you get around 80 stacks while being stationary and hitting uber with 0 investment anywhere else so alone it is enough to cap you

however if you don't have the damage to blast through phases, you will move around

and your stacks will drop

at which point, if you push the max amount of stacks you can apply high enough, then obviously they will also ramp up faster

[surreal birch]

Right now I'm running a t5 + t6 roll of shred so I guess that's helping

[atomic vapor]

I'd get this node to help if you wanna drop shred completely

just 1 point is enough

@woeful ether i tried putting 1 point into the cdr node from the convo earlier

fewer shroud stacks

so idk..

[woeful ether]

no this one

[atomic vapor]

yeah that's what I mean too

I went to 4 and I get 160+ stacks on uber consistently

[woeful ether]

oh

[atomic vapor]

I got 200 once

I did the 15 second kill with this

(and obviously sync strike, couldn't have done it without it)

I'm unhappy about rushing wings but I ran out of points

[woeful ether]

4 points on wings of shadow

since sync strike creates 4 shadows anyway

wait

[atomic vapor]

;P

5

[woeful ether]

no

i was told this node didnt exceed bc it makes the attack just do +2

so it always does 4 but never lets you have 5 max shadows

[woeful ether]

that actually makes 5?

[atomic vapor]

yup

obviously not 100% uptime

that would be bonkers

[woeful ether]

you unspec falconry?

[atomic vapor]

yep

did you see the vid

[woeful ether]

no

[atomic vapor]

check #🎥┃video-shoutout

[woeful ether]

huh you actually got 50% skip

[atomic vapor]

imagine with meru's gear

could probably oneshot lol

[woeful ether]

your sync strike/shadow cd is actually perfect

very well timed

[atomic vapor]

I tried a lot thanks <33

[woeful ether]

the 2 shadows drop right as it dies essentially and are created right at dmgable

nice

it's rng on the harby running into you?

[atomic vapor]

if you go a little to the left and then on top of him

and not a straight line

she charges at you consistently

[woeful ether]

interesting

[atomic vapor]

it's very very cool

obviously this happens like 1/20 attempts

just like meru said

but it was worth to grind it out

[woeful ether]

you also really minmaxed the slam hitbox

surprised you didn't die

[atomic vapor]

I've been doing this all mike stream 😭

[woeful ether]

unless you iframe smoke bomb the last few outgoing hitbox frames

also the 200 dusk shrouds while invul 🎊

[atomic vapor]

the last tick happens right before the animation disappears

yeah 200 stacks is VERY rare

this was a lucky try

[woeful ether]

i swear i died helping vissar on that

[atomic vapor]

well "lucky"

like I said I did dozens

[woeful ether]

barely clipped the slam with my toe and died 😭

[atomic vapor]

ping also matters

[woeful ether]

was on my ping

[atomic vapor]

damn...

[woeful ether]

it's fine i wasn't speedrunning it lol

[atomic vapor]

I can confidently say I am 100% pleased by this season. now I'll casually farm for my 2lp relic and then go back to red rings

[woeful ether]

farm me a peak so i don't have to 🙏

[atomic vapor]

peak is easy. double t7 with one being throw is the torture

imprint be like

oh I see you have a double t7 helm

how about shuriken+

no? how about pen with shadow daggers

hundreds of helms

[woeful ether]

hitting 1k echo clears today

[atomic vapor]

where am I even at now

lol 4400

jeeeesus

[woeful ether]

oh yeah do i bother going for 2lp razors

you also have to farm +1 shadow 🙂

just to complete the set

[atomic vapor]

maybe, we shall see. I'm ngl I don't even know if it'll be an upgrade since sync will only give +1. I'd have to hit double t7 and cdr base probably

130 multi is insane

[surreal birch]

Yeah a ew times I was running around lagging waiting for you to one shot him and I was like.. oh you're dead in the corner

[atomic vapor]

btw because you asked

this is how I do it

this is 50 troves

one reweaving one turtle one gauntlet preemptively in case they're needed

and just blast

[surreal birch]

Why are dagger prophs such terrible quantities

[atomic vapor]

they're horrendous

I go double rewards double charges and dagger lens

[woeful ether]

nah i hate idols

[atomic vapor]

and only pick what i'd be picking if I had double blocker

[woeful ether]

rather roll daggers than idols

[atomic vapor]

true idols are worse

This is me not wanting to do it

[woeful ether]

how much favor have you spent?

i think i'm almost at 2m but idr. for sure 1m+

[atomic vapor]

can I see somewhere

[woeful ether]

nah

justs have to know

[atomic vapor]

I've maxed out and emptied like

so. many. times

[woeful ether]

i wish they had a counter

[atomic vapor]

daggers alone were over 5 refills iirc

(more than meru, I started earlier)

but meru imprints too

I didn't

[woeful ether]

this is my web lol

i was just wondering bc sometimes placing new nodes spawns regular echoes

which is really annoying

[atomic vapor]

it usually happens when there's a V shape

if you tried to put something in between here

you'd get one right above it

[woeful ether]

that regular one spawned when i did the trove above it or something

but i spaced out that middle unfinished line just in case echoes spawned

like for example why did these spawn

just felt random

[atomic vapor]

that's so weird yeah

also idk if you've noticed

if you put down a massive amount of woven echoes

and then do regular ones

they don't web out

anything you do goes in a straight line

you only reveal one map directly linked to the one you just did

[woeful ether]

i placed the selected echo and it spawned the reegular below it. but none others placed did

[atomic vapor]

😭 drunk

[woeful ether]

i've generally noticed it

[vernal zealot]

Thats because its where an echo would naturally spawn

[woeful ether]

this is my uber timeline and is annoying af with regular echo spawns

[vernal zealot]

It can happen

But yeah giga annoying

[atomic vapor]

when I place many echoes down like that

first I make a line of 3

then make a big bubble starting from that tip

to space away from the main web body

[woeful ether]

that's how i started my regular web 😂

[atomic vapor]

Lol 😭

the "screw it time to place things down" strat

[woeful ether]

eventually you can just fill the entire web and prevent spawning :)

[atomic vapor]

I gaslight myself into thinking that if I do confluence regularly at the end of a 50 trove sesh

I might get 4lp siphon or 3lp chains

so I don't make them too massive

I just make a line to the edge

when the imprint fails

thanks game

[woeful ether]

well there's shades everywhere so i don't really worry about having to reset

not like i'm pushing corruption up either

😭

[atomic vapor]

oh my god

that should be illegal to exist

[woeful ether]

im tired

let me off the idol farming ride

[atomic vapor]

we're dusking and we're blading

and sometimes also catapulting

[woeful ether]

honestly i'd rather be blasting farming exalts

[atomic vapor]

i know i'll brick it but yolo

[woeful ether]

sad 15 noises

[atomic vapor]

I have way bigger problems ahead of me than 1 dex lmao

brick incoming

[prisma marlin]

Imprint this for science

[atomic vapor]

it already is 🙏

[woeful ether]

:\

[atomic vapor]

pfft I don't even have one

that's giga

alright julra we need to talk

you better not miss this slam

[woeful ether]

i already hvve the better one

trade for your throw dmg one 😭

[atomic vapor]

my heart is about to pop out of my chest

dude... it's not cof marked LOL

[woeful ether]

desire sensor is real

[woeful ether]

bigggg grats

[atomic vapor]

thanksss

ok wow what the hell that's amazing

prophecy?

[woeful ether]

yeah

i just want to get a final good throwing dmg roll one

all my 8s hit <30

[atomic vapor]

ofc they did

still no 5/20

I have two now, should I slam them with t7 throw for science

[woeful ether]

i want 2 sets with throw. my testing was it was slightly more damage but not crazy more

[atomic vapor]

how much favor did u burn

[woeful ether]

for what?

[atomic vapor]

like for all this batch of ornates

[woeful ether]

maybe 100k today?

i threw away a lot but got those 2 shred/8 dusks

[atomic vapor]

you burned 100k and you got that monster? that's way too lucky lol. to find mine I spent an entire million

[woeful ether]

but i also do mono/non mono

i don't get how i'm getting better armor shred roll ones than throw

the ranges are way higher

[atomic vapor]

yeah 30 min is brutal

the only worse one is the erasing strike one, that I can think of

why are none of the 3lps I find good dude

[woeful ether]

if i were you i'd just use that for the parry one but still try slam

[atomic vapor]

I have a couple better rolled ones but I have no triple t7 dagger yet

[woeful ether]

i've got 4 daggers to slam but no exalts

[atomic vapor]

So until I get one I try to at least have the daggers ready

My other dagger is t7 multi/pen t5 parry

[woeful ether]

actually i suppose i can just start sending t7/t5 pens

i love editing the filter in game

another big win for le

[atomic vapor]

Learning how to use it was the first thing I did when I first got to monos 2 seasons ago

I didn't have time to minmax and the game was boring without imprints anyway so all I made was a few characters with 1lps

(half of which I missed the slam ofc)

So I took a break because grinding didn't feel worth

[woeful ether]

the choosing slam is huge for sure

[woeful ether]

well now i got choices

[pale quail]

those idols are bis i think, you can put crit multi/phys pen/parry on both dagger now

[pale quail]

congrats

[verbal pier]

Niceee george!!

[verbal pier]

@atomic vapor im done with dagger

maybee gonna try slam LP3 with parry instead of inc phys dmg

[teal matrix]

did it atlast, 4 secs kill uber, thanks to comfy3k for the build haha now farming uber never been this easy

[atomic vapor]

Thanks!!

[atomic vapor]

That's an insane pair holy

I'm still on the grind,I've got 200 conquered towers combined with my friends

Hoping 🙏

It's crazy how I still haven't found one triple t7 dagger

[verbal pier]

atleast u r done with shattered world hahaha

[atomic vapor]

I kinda wanna spend one evening killing normal aberroth for maps and gather a big pile of nihilis for turtle. But I know I'll be disappointed again if I miss the slam lol

[verbal pier]

now I just need to get perfect belt triple T7 like u

mine still 7 7 6

[atomic vapor]

If you plan to blast nonstop till season 3 I doubt you'll take too long to get it

You'll probably end up having one of the most stacked cof characters in the season lol

[verbal pier]

Im planning to get Core of the mountain Dex + HP

so can reach 220 dex with shadow glove

[atomic vapor]

I wanted a 2lp core too but I really like the overcapped res, I wish 3lp null portent was more common

[queen thorn]

Can you help me understand which affix is more important for an amulet: Critical Strike Multiplier or Throwing Damage?

Should I slam it or go with T7 Throwing Damage?

[atomic vapor]

in terms of pure damage nothing is better than throw, but 1lp nihilis is common so slam it to get some mileage

You'll get plenty more don't worry about it

Multi is still very very strong

[queen thorn]

Thank you!

@atomic vapor do you think it will be big dmg increase compared to my current amulet:

[atomic vapor]

Compared to nihilis slammed with multi? Nope

[surreal birch]

If I use the reroll unique echo (not turtle) does it reroll the implic value? (I.e. should i be specially targeting the high roll implicit ones to save and try to fix?)

Nope implicit gets rerolled

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, everything gets rerolled except LP amount. Unique stats, item implicits, and legendary affixes.

[slate mulch]

wait i think im going craszy i slammed a 2LP mountain

but i ended up with 3 affixes

[atomic vapor]

enjoy your very rare critical slam

[surreal birch]

Is it an actual valid strategy to imprint something with your exact desired setup (e.g. double t7 affix)? Cause so far I just get screwed by all the imprints coming up with junk affixes

Just ran 10 troves and got like 4-5 copies which I can't use. Not worth trying to redemption on chest..

[atomic vapor]

I meann... if getting the double t7 you want was that easy, we'd be maxed out a month ago. try to either get purples into the side of affixes you're not interested in (e.g you want throw, you have t7 suffix, t1 prefix. seal t1, add throw, havoc until t7 throw), or redemption gamba

that's the endgame grind and it's a system that didn't even exist last season

so those crazy items weren't remotely close to realistic

[surreal birch]

Yeah but trying to do that is how I burned my entire stash last week

And most of them just bricked (ran out of FP) way before I got anywhere. (Or didn't ahve enough FP to start)

[atomic vapor]

it took me well over 100 imprinted helms to make mine

and I still don't have one for my 4lp peak

[surreal birch]

This just casually dropped

[atomic vapor]

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!

@verbal pier time to brick another one

I don't have an amulet yet, swapping imprints now

[surreal birch]

I got ABSOLUTELY F'D on the upgrades

FP wise

t4 frailty t3 endurance

t5 minion hp

[atomic vapor]

man...

that sucks I'm sorry

[surreal birch]

Its still worth using yeah?

[atomic vapor]

that t4 in the front really sucked, you could've tried to roll throw if it was the t1

[surreal birch]

That is pretty insane, I couldn't even roll one that good with LP 1

[atomic vapor]

it should be an upgrade yeah

lemme show you my history with nihilis

this is mine

it's the second one, I used my first failed one to reroll a 2lp

so this one I just got is the third one, if I fail this slam that will be 3 insane 2lp nihilis I've bricked this season

[surreal birch]

_>

How rare are the lp2 nulls

Worth doing t7/5 or strictly 7/7 only

[atomic vapor]

16-20 hp and 30-36 phys

not too horrible rolls

plus

if you brick one

you can use it to reroll another 2lp

nihilis is the most horrible item in the entire game to get good

only ww items are worse

[surreal birch]

Yeah i was turtling my nijilis yesterday

With the nulls I mean should I wait for double exalt to slam into them

Or can I just use some now (I have 2)

[atomic vapor]

I haven't gotten to optimizing the body armor yet so I can't speak from experience, but that said

best one I managed to get all season

I will probably focus on body armor afterwards

I wouldn't care so much for 6 dex but I wanna maximize the health

it was one of my earliest slams

[surreal birch]

I got this earlier but I'm waiting for imprints to proc beore I spend it

It just plain dropped like that

[atomic vapor]

100% don't waste it yeah

I had one with both rolls perfect

bricked

[surreal birch]

You mean the slam bricked?

Actually I spent a few HP to havoc it

[atomic vapor]

yeah maxrolled both stats

[surreal birch]

But still

Insane

[atomic vapor]

and i got only the dex in

[surreal birch]

😦

So far all my multi 7 slams have ailed

So how long to I wait? Given the imprints didn't proc and I used all my amber

[atomic vapor]

I'm not a good metric for when it comes to loot/patience ratio lol

I went almost two weeks grinding the belt

[surreal birch]

Not an enjoyer of long grinds for sure

Me and uber just killed each other, played the animation but no loot

Geoge you been slacking

4 sec uber kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4n8CS_zeTI

[atomic vapor]

That's not the same build

That's a shift build with recalled umbrals

I'm not interested in gimmick builds, that build can't do maps

[surreal birch]

I see

I was mostly just teasing cause its a bit crazy 😛

I saw it was minion build

[atomic vapor]

lol nah I don't have a sense of competitiveness like that

I don't care if someone has better or worse times

but yeah it's not the same build so not comparable

look at the bottom nodes in umbral blades, that's what's being used

it give massive multipliers to recalled blades

(also that's a new video, that's not a new tech. it's been tried days ago)

[atomic vapor]

here laosiji showcases the same thing for example

[slate mulch]

competitiveness in arpgs was always amusing to me, theres no 'skill' expression like there is in competitive games its just whoever spent more time grinding or opening the wallet

[atomic vapor]

it's not even that

I'm personally really happy when someone gets an item or gets a fast kill

I think it's very miserable to see it selfishly lol

why would I want the other person not to succeed

[eternal sapphire]

hey yall! question, if im looking for a certain relic being a navigation orb, do i need to ascend navigation orbs? or any relic?

the relic in question is ucenui's sphere

[surreal birch]

Any

Easier to just smash prophecies

[eternal sapphire]

gotcha! thank you!

just go for any unique relic propheces?

[surreal birch]

Yes, there aren't any other relevant options

Lens stratagy is a whole other topic but make sure you use some

[slate mulch]

Whoever said reign of dragons had golems and matrons was on something

I’ve been farming like 2 hours and haven’t seen either

Lagon timeline seems a lot better for it

[surreal birch]

Gaurenteed 3 matrons in the same spot every time at the waypoint beore temple rooftops

May as well get them there

[woeful ether]

#⭕┃circle-of-fortune message think it's actually called lower or upper

for golems Etendell waypoint in divine era
just go up to the left and tehre is 1 golem to kill always

[surreal birch]

Yeah but resetting 5-7X makes me too depressed to do it

Matrons is usually only one run per proph

[woeful ether]

i don't get take it myself but had to clear out some when i thought i was getting matrons/golems in mono 😭

[verbal pier]

yoo thats decent nihilis

[verbal pier]

I have 1 with max health but low dex I think

[stoic shadow]

Whats ur planner for ur fastest kill?

[atomic vapor]

I have a triple t7 chest it won't be hard to farm I just haven't gotten to it yet

[atomic vapor]

Drop falconry and get sync strike, spec 5 shadows, the rest points are optional

But that kill isn't realistic it took many many tries

Very hard to replicate without gear that isn't like meru's

[stoic shadow]

aight, thanks!

[native torrent]

Can someone help me with my build

Im lvl 91 but I feel so weak

Im using the umbral blades falconer build

[prisma marlin]

maxroll or le tools?

[native torrent]

Maxroll

[prisma marlin]

I can help you

What do you want to know?

[native torrent]

I want to know why am I so weak

I got most of the important stuff that they said

Im still trying to get the gloves

[prisma marlin]

Whats your crit avoidance, resistances, and endurance at?

[native torrent]

All resistances plus 75%, endurance is at 45% and threshold is at 452

My crit avoidance is 30%

[prisma marlin]

Ok thank you, based off the image you shared and the defensive stats you listed I reccomend getting your crit avoidance to 100% ASAP, use idols, blessings, and fineesee them passive

Are those sunwreath rings? Id drop those for any exalts with tier7 dexterity

[native torrent]

One has 11 dexterity and the other has 7

[native torrent]

Yeah it is

[prisma marlin]

sunwreath do not add any stats for falconer. I recommend adding exalteds rings instead

[native torrent]

Alright which do u recommend

Any specific?

[prisma marlin]

Normaly I start with anything with tier 7 dexterity and then start trying to craft or find rings with affixes that i need to add defensive or more offensive layers

[thin quartz]

what do you mean by weak.

[prisma marlin]

If I was you I would head to the reign of dragon timeline and try to get the crit avoidance blessing

[native torrent]

Low damage and I get killed easily

I struggle a bit in 120 corruption

Meanwhile I see people my lvl doing with 300

[native torrent]

Oh thats cool

[prisma marlin]

To help with not dying so much spam smoke bomb and run around in the smoke bomb. Capping your crit avoidance should help with not dying so much

[native torrent]

Yeah I do that

[prisma marlin]

There are also weaver idols that have crit avoidance affixe so make sure your loot filters have them selected

Ping me once your crit avoidance is capped if your still having issues

[native torrent]

Most of my idols are for health

Like +6% health

Basically health and armor

Health on kill

[prisma marlin]

I view idols are as a flex zone to fill in any gaps to my gear, looking for any defensive or offensive stat that I am missing

[native torrent]

Alright Im trying to get the blessing now

[native torrent]

Got it

Its at 99%

Does it go higher

[prisma marlin]

the blessing goes to 70% and a total critical avoidance of 100% is considered the cap

[native torrent]

Alright then

Mine is 69%

[prisma marlin]

Do you have a idol with crit avoidance by any chance?

you should still notice a big difference than being at 30%, run a few echoes and see if youre dying as much

[native torrent]

No, not a single one

[native torrent]

I mean its better but

Its not there yet yk

Trying to get the armor blessing now

[thin quartz]

can you press H and take a photo of it

i wanna check your character stats

[thin quartz]

[native torrent]

wassup

[nova hull]

Maybe try to convert all your dodge into glancing blow and stack more of that as well, trying to come near 100%. Glancing Blow gives you 35% damage reduction for hits.

I would try going for at least 3k health as well, at least when going for 300 corruption and above.

I would also try to get at least 5-10% more endurance (or 15% to cap it), and increase your endurance threshold by at least 150 health.

You should also try to get more movement speed, and go for some haste chance on hit/kill to boost it further. Being fast and agile is an important defensive layer for most builds, especially for less tanky ones like Rogue.

You should also try going for some health leech. That's massive to sustain health. Don't know what build you're running, but the Bleeding Heart amulet is a viable way to go for some builds to get quite a decent health leech.

Great job on the resistances and crit avoidance, though.

[native torrent]

Alright man that’s what I needed to know thanks! 🙏

[desert canyon]

guys, which falconer builds are you playing? I'm following maxroll's but have seen good comments about Juse build as well

[atomic vapor]

I made a general use one as a frame of reference, feel free to adjust it to your needs (mostly defensively speaking)

this performs well to comfortably farm 1k, if you're looking for something extremely tanky, you slowly start replacing pieces with defensive gear (brew belt, wall of nothing+seed combo, more health idols instead of pen, t7 parry slam on daggers, etc)

[prisma marlin]

I’m using the one on maxroll (no traps)

[desert canyon]

I see, do you know if there are any rings other than red rings that would be viable to this build? because at maxroll they stick to exalteds until red rings but its taking me forever

[fossil goblet]

cooldown implicit exalted "opal ring" and Phantom Grip unique ring are viable. both with t7 dex should be good until you can get Red Rings. Even Ocearon unique ring would work.

[fierce bluff]

For the 'Fire and Steel' Node in the marksman passive tree, If I am using heart seeker converted to fire, and it triggers puncture which is physical, will that automatically cycle elemental arrows?

[prisma marlin]

Anything with t7 dex is fine. Cooldown reduction or movement speed implicit are also nice

[native torrent]

Is this worth it

That +117% throwing critical strike multiplier is pretty sweet

[atomic vapor]

If you can get flat throw, it's worth it. Imprint it/prophecies and try to get 1lp

It's also very common with 2lp

The only downside is the throwing multi on it has a gigantic range

[slate mulch]

chatgpt lowkey pretty good at optimizing a build lol

[queen thorn]

Which amulet is better for an Umbral build?

I assume Nihilis is better for DPS because of the +1 to all skills and the added Throwing Damage?

[vernal zealot]

Yes and the falcon isnt really the thing doing dmg anymore

[slate mulch]

i guess a critical failure slam is possible, had a 2 LP and when I slammed it only came out with 1 affix

rip

[atomic vapor]

Sounds like a bug, or you accidentally added in a 1lp. If you're 100% sure I'd report it

The way the patch notes describe the critical success is dependent on the chance of the unique to roll lp above your current lp

[winter ruin]

just picked this item up
This is straight up Yondu, right?

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

[odd wadi]

ya have any nice lootfilter

atm i have a ok one but still abit to much garbage loot

[prisma marlin]

i get so excited when items like this drop with tier 1 affixes

[cobalt mantle]

Correct

[winter ruin]

doesn't look viable...
but i guess that has never stopped me from trying dumb builds before
adding to list

[prisma marlin]

landed another slam!

[keen snow]

I think there's a build which uses it for some hail of arrows thing where it's beneficial to have heartseeker going but you want to save all your next bow attack does XYZ buffs for hail of arrows

idk the specifics, just heard that that is a use case where it may even be BiS

[toxic swift]

I've been using it with dragonsong and cinder to stack fire throwing damage. cycle with bow-converted explosive trap + acid flask

works well so far, but it's still a fledgeling character, so who knows how far it'll scale

either way it's fun. heartseeker isn't the focus. I don't actually see it 90% of the time, but it is generating burning daggers and stacks of dragonflame

[jovial hill]

is +4 umbral blades/aerial assault/dive bomb/falcon strikes worth looking for the maxroll falconer build?

or the dive bomb area/damage affix?

[foggy hemlock]

This is not possible without a bug

[winter ruin]

If I do try to make a build focused on the Heartseeker, I'm guessing a single Heartseeker won't be very good at dealing with mobs.

Would it even last the full 3 seconds before cooldown?

I can think of some dumb shit to try if it has a long air time

[fading glacier]

this unique changes how heartseeker plays, its slotted in most fire heartseeker builds. afaik the cold heartseeker did the most damage this season though

[winter ruin]

yeah, but I'm wondering how well it would deal with groups of mobs

since it's a singular Heartseeker

[surreal birch]

I saw someone who took both of these in a super budget uber killing build. Strictly for minion dive bomb build only, not for umbral build

[jovial hill]

Aerial assault and dive bomb? I'm trying +4 umbral blades in my relic but it doesn't seem to be providing a super huge return in terms of damage for AA

[surreal birch]

You need to be clear on which build you are running. AA will never deal much damage, it will either be umbral (via AA) or dive bomb. Maxroll is not clear on the distinction but is mostly umbral

You would build mostly diferent stats depending

[uneven zenith]

guys can i got some info, i am soo hate die by 1hit . how much armor need for low cap at courrupt 700++

[surreal birch]

I had +4 umbral on my relic for a long time, but that was before I understood in more depth. Its still good, especially if you would otherwise lose critical points. May or may not beat dex/throwing. Not to be played on minoin/dive bomb build

[surreal birch]

You might have more armor than me? And I'm at 1k, played 1.2 yesterday but it was getting messy. You need way more hp, but also more damage reduction like red rings, shattered worlds, null portent. Make sure you get armor blessing

And endurance blessing

But you need a huge hp roll somewhere

[uneven zenith]

i cant kill aberroth at 500corrupt 😦 always die by DOT soo ez

[surreal birch]

See above

But uber is diferent. You don't build def much for him because any mech fail is one shot

[uneven zenith]

how turn to def mode at DOT

i mean more deff for DOT type

[surreal birch]

One of them is always one shot

The rest are easy to heal if you move out fast

[uneven zenith]

i always die by way i choice

hahah

i feels soo bad

[surreal birch]

Gotta learn mechs

[uneven zenith]

use help for armor mitigation is works ?

*helm

for DOT

[surreal birch]

Only thing for dots is exepimental affix "% armor reduce dot dmg" which is on gloves

Helm armor would be very dumb

Get health% on helm or chest

There are literally zero dots in the fight

Lasers and stuff are environment effects

If you die to lasers or ground puddles your char is way too weak

If you die to ground of destruction, get better because you must avoid 100%

But I can take lots of laser/puddle hits and leech through (even on first kill)

[uneven zenith]

i always die coz that purple line throwing by aberroth

on ground

[surreal birch]

That is ground of destruction. You have to learn and avoid it

You will never survive it

[uneven zenith]

yeah

i hate that skill

any tips for that ?

[surreal birch]

Learn timing and animation

First one always right after first pizza/quadrant

[drifting veldt]

Hello - I swapped from Marksman/Heartseeker to Falconer/Umbral Blades mostly to try and get Uber Aberroth down. This is what I currently have, I'm sure there are a couple things I could tweak to really up my damage, but I'm not sure what I should prio for biggest upgrades, if anyone could give me pointer it'd greatly help: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGr5902Q

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 2,136, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 222.76, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 176 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 68% / 68% / 90% / 81% / 69% / 74%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 427
▸ Dodge Chance: 57% (2364)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,395)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 33%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[surreal birch]

Fix offhand dagger to crit multi. Fix red ring to dex/better roll. Chest dex could be higher. Relic could probably be better - dex throwing. Or use ucenui's sphere + throne of amition unique idol. Farm 4X1 idols with 8% increased damage per dusk shroud (x1 or 2 depending if using throne). Stand in smoke, scale big damage.

Talents look kinda ok without doing into it a lot

[uneven zenith]

btw

[drifting veldt]

I do have a couple of %dmg per dusk shroud, I got tired of getting one tapped by air so I swapped it, but noted I will try again

[uneven zenith]

ty for info sir

👍

[surreal birch]

100 stacks @ 32% each = nuts

You can delete entire phases sometimes

You prob have more damage than when I got my first kill a few days ago (once you do shroud)

[drifting veldt]

Yeah, I saw people just deleting the boss, I guess you don't have to try to dodge mechanics if you skip mechanics

[surreal birch]

You can't survive mechs anyway

can only survive puddle/laser. Glass cannon him

[uneven zenith]

whats better health % or Vit?

[surreal birch]

Outplay the rest

Vit is bad and does not have % mod

[drifting veldt]

I got quite good at dodging stuff but yeah I feel my dmg isn't quite there, I will try stacking % dmg on dusk with throne of ambition and perhaps swap relic. Thanks @surreal birch

[uneven zenith]

1. health 2.Vit 3.hp ?

[surreal birch]

health % is better than flat health because % is a rarer affix that gives more value

[uneven zenith]

thats priority of chance?

ok

noted

[surreal birch]

healt%, flat health, vit in that order

[uneven zenith]

oh

flat hp is 2nd

ok

[surreal birch]

Your welcome

[uneven zenith]

vit is last option

[surreal birch]

I went a bit crazy dealing with this sometime during the last week, what hp/shield is he on at the end of the first cicle

You should have him down to 80%/half shield sometimes then you good

I was stuck at best 90% until I fixed things (some broken talents)

[drifting veldt]

He is at 80%, with ~50-60% on the shield when I have to runa way from the big circle

[surreal birch]

You fine then, just practice

[drifting veldt]

but I watched someone get to the 2nd shield by that time so I was wondering if there were things I could improve on gear

[surreal birch]

More is just cheese/funny/skill bandaid

Do shroud setup plus what I said above and you will

[drifting veldt]

at this point I just want to get him down, and go back to HS because I found that more enjoyable to play, just not verey fun on big hp sponges

and ofc get that juicy relic

[surreal birch]

Going faster than that starts to require special cheese setups which aren't real builds

Some of the people in here were helping me + working on that at the same time

[drifting veldt]

Yeah, I can farm echoes quite fast with what I have atm, so its all working out so far

[surreal birch]

Also phase skipping requires some luck

But mostly you need to work shroud stacks. Also "increased armor shred effect" if you want to try and really 1 shot

[uneven zenith]

now i feels wrong for put this option

i need reroll new helm ?

[drifting veldt]

ye I have some exalts/idols wiht that as well. Shroud stacks do seem big so I'll get on taht when I get home, thanks :)

[surreal birch]

Depends on your build, I am not expert enough to say but probably you could do better

Ucenui/throne is like 300% or more cold damage (make sure to swap umbral to cold node)

But keep in mind 50% of umbral damage comes from the fire nodes (which is also buffed by throne)

[uneven zenith]

how to boost minion crit chance?

[surreal birch]

+100% cold dmg from blessing

A few blessings you could take which aren't gfreat right now

[uneven zenith]

on my stats i see my minonsoo small on crit chance

[surreal birch]

There are a few uniques and scaling nodes but I don't remember them

[uneven zenith]

on passive skill?

ok

[surreal birch]

'finesse them' at end of falcon passives is one of them

[surreal birch]

Good luck

[drifting veldt]

im able to spawn the harbinger right after the big wave happens now (dependning on rng), everything goes to hell after that but that's a skill issue, there's some more tuning I can do on idols too, so far your suggestions helped a bit :)

[sage canyon]

https://youtu.be/mjc_KjdsD8M updated my LL dancing strike on budget now 20 sec dummy kill

[thin quartz]

why do you use maxroll build planner?

[sage canyon]

cause its better for making planners, idols qol and it has several variations of build in 1 link unlike LE tools

[thin quartz]

i see

[sage canyon]

idols on letools is cancer

here u can just shift click and copypaste them right in the idol slots

and variations is huge since i make many varaitions for 1 build

[thin quartz]

personally, i dont like to see maxroll since there's no roll range on items

[sage canyon]

there is u need to ctrl+alt on item, same as in game

[thin quartz]

i see.

[broken barn]

Which falconer kills Uber faster? Umbral Blades or Ballista?

[sage canyon]

pretty sure umbral is way ahead of ballista

but its umbral only on paper lol, dive bomb is all your dps

[surreal birch]

That's good, next bits are pretty easy. Mostly have to avoid ground of destruction + blades (hard to see one shots) whilst dodging and blasting

Its also possible to skip multiple phases at any point with luck

But harbinger should be pretty easy to virtually one shot,e secpailly when you make sure you dont have to move abby to do it

[vernal zealot]

Nah its still umbral as uour dmg dealer now

[surreal birch]

There are 2 builds using the same skills, and umbra or DB will be good depending which you choose. Gotta be careful on these

[broken barn]

Where can I find the standard umbral blades build? I see several ok letools

[vernal zealot]

This is @atomic vapor 's planner and hes pretty much min maxed in every slot

Ive got a talons/quiver setup but currently just setup for under 10sec uber kills

[broken barn]

Ok thanks. So explain to me why some builds use dual wielding and others use bow?

[vernal zealot]

Im almost sure it just comes down to preference, there was a nerf/bug fix mid season that made them both pretty close to identical

Just comes down to which you get higher lp of first

[broken barn]

Gotcha ok thanks!

[vernal zealot]

And very very slightly different scaling, but it mainly relies on building dusk shroud stacks and using 2 idols with 8%umbral dmg per shroud

You can generate up to about 200 dusk shrouds on bosses endgame

Which ends up being around 3200% increased dmg

[broken barn]

Wow alright well this is all new to me dont usually play Rogue but I'll give it a shot

[vernal zealot]

Its insanely strong and probably the cheapest build to get fast uber kills

Just need to make sure you have good razorfall rolls, cooldown where you can get it etc

[drifting veldt]

the "You gain Haste and (12 to 30)% increased Throwing Attack Speed for 2 seconds after using Aerial Assault" part on razorfall is pretty important isnt it? I got quite a low roll on that, would that help getting higher dusk shrouds stacks?

[flint turret]

Why would you care about attack speed on aa falconer tho

[prisma marlin]

Im a bow guy. But people say the daggers are easier to farm

[flint turret]

Ah, for bow without converting to blast rain it makes sense

[prisma marlin]

Im getting 1min 30sec kills with bow

[tough tiger]

Oh man is the same guy talking as the one post falconer nerf? 😂😂

Glad to see your love for the class is back

[atomic vapor]

Sounds pretty decent, bow isn't too far behind at all

Multi on quiver would be really nice

Or even pen

Alas

[prisma marlin]

I was just about to say the hardest part about bow is finding a good quiver lol

[atomic vapor]

I'm a certified quiver hunter hater lol

EHG needs to add runes that change bases

[prisma marlin]

find a multi exalt quiver with the affixes and base you want will be extremely difficult

[atomic vapor]

Even then the value is still pretty low. For falconer at least increased % is really unimpactful when you're minmaxed, it's such a tiny increase

All you're getting from quiver is 16 dex and even that is increased damage as well

I know flat throw on quiver would be unrealistic thematically but it would help so much

Especially since daggers can roll everything. You want flat for dive bomb? You got it. You want multi? Pen? A shred roll to cap shred? You got it

[prisma marlin]

Whats getting me right now is finding a multi exalt amulet. Jewelry cannot be imprinted on Sealed Riches which is when imprinting happens when opening lost caches

[atomic vapor]

I've bricked 4 2lp nihilis this season, and the best method for me is dropping woven echoes completely

Do normal maps and rush objectives as fast as you can

The echo rewards is your most reliable bet

[surreal birch]

No good farming amber + lost sepulcher on lower corruption?

[atomic vapor]

Amber scales with corruption mike said

You'll be getting smaller returns

Also I don't know what's going on with sepulchers I'll be honest

They seem to almost never trigger imprints

[surreal birch]

Yeah but you can arm up amber on something decent to still complete echos at a reasonable rate and then line up a bunch of sepulcher whereever to knock them out fast

I've had them trigger

No real reason to assume they are any diferent to other completes (i.e. always low rate)

[atomic vapor]

It's been tested by the community earlier in the season

Frozen sentinel did some math and they seem to be horrible

[surreal birch]

Hmm ok

[atomic vapor]

Maybe they're downtuned due to containing multiple echo rewards

[prisma marlin]

thats a good tip thank you

[surreal birch]

I'm bad at grind stuff so any strategy I can do that convinces me its more than grinding is good

My lp2 nulls bricked and I'm over it :p

[atomic vapor]

I highly recommend movement speed boots and movement speed wherever you can get it. Don't worry about damage just blast as fast as you can to the objective, you're not stacking shroud stacks anyway

I bricked 3 of those myself

[surreal birch]

Putting effort in to brick stuf is really unfun. Don't know how some of you guys take it up to the much rarer lp3/4 level

[atomic vapor]

3lp is fine, and 4lp is even better

It's the 2lp that's the problem

Imagine getting 200+ nihilis, egging it, rerolling all of them, trutling them over and over and over until you minmax them

Watching that horrible aberroth cutscene

Then bricking 4 of them

That's me

[vernal zealot]

It was still a dumb decision to fix it with no warning

[surreal birch]

What did they fix

[vernal zealot]

Featherfall was proccing off every shadow falcon

Causing you to pretty much insta reset/get like 2-3x dmg

[vernal zealot]

Bro you probably spent multiple hours this season watching him walk down the stairs lol

[surreal birch]

Sounds horrible, I'd have quit a long time before that :p

[atomic vapor]

I'm at 600 aberroth kills

[surreal birch]

Doesn't sound that crazy to fix

[atomic vapor]

I'm a little burnt out

[surreal birch]

Yeah that's fair

[vernal zealot]

It was without warnibg and it wasnt immediately obvious it was bugged

So most people just logged in to way less dmg out the blue LMAO

[prisma marlin]

5 nihilis with 2 LP bricked yesterday

[vernal zealot]

Ive played a little poe1 and giga burned out on it im almost back to plahing le @atomic vapor

Merc league has been pretty underwhelming tbh

[atomic vapor]

I might go back to farming too I just need a little break

I'm playing nioh 2

[vernal zealot]

Hoping dino league is soon

Going back to poe1 crafting after spoiled by le is so dead

[atomic vapor]

I might be dumb for saying this but, going to a game with a detailed character creation menu and transmog felt like you're getting spoiled after years of solitary life

I hope LE adds a little fluff eventually

I need to mess around with things that aren't just blasting just for the purpose of not getting burned out

[vernal zealot]

Yeah its also like... not just cosmetics for pay

Earning stuff in game in single players to look better is real fun

[atomic vapor]

Whoever claims "you never look at your character in arpgs" imo simply hasn't played enough. Evidence of how important they are is the fact that games are hard carried economically by customization

I also want a hideout in LE

[vernal zealot]

I know its a LS and thats kinda the lifeblood of these games.... but holy moly i hate the look of mismatched characters

[surreal birch]

lol half of what sold me on keeping null equipped was the fact it looks badass

[vernal zealot]

Genuinely wearing armor from eldritch horrors and it looks like tin plate

[surreal birch]

I don't like peak look for rogue that much

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I just don't wanna look like a theater kid trying out mismatched costumes if I'm doing ten trillion damage

It's not what someone who clears screens looks like

[surreal birch]

I was into the armor + cap I had when leveling

Definitely looked rogue

[vernal zealot]

But then peak of the mountain looks like a clam shell lmao

[surreal birch]

People who are obsessive enough to farm high end gear will definitely farm transmog even harder

X10 if its slutmog

Worked pretty hard on some of them in wow

Some people there are just scary with their collecting though

Liek seriously scary

[atomic vapor]

Yeah people farmed for weeks for transmogs

[vernal zealot]

Yeah its a hard balance, i wish we had some kinda cheap transmog

Cause the current cosmetics are underwhelming anyway

[atomic vapor]

My brother would grind for ashes of alar in classic for months, and it's completely unrelated to character power

Cosmetics either we want it or not do matter

It's how we're hardcoded

[surreal birch]

Just give us a tab which works like imprints

Equip something there for the mog

Done

[atomic vapor]

Mike said he wants a "Pokedex" for uniques

Make a Pokedex for skins too

Boom done

[prisma marlin]

that would be really nice

theres so much RNG so you have to hoard items

[drifting veldt]

idk thats why I was asking :p

[surreal birch]

I need to play a different build for a while

What should I play, heartseeker?

Is dive bomb different enough to matter?

[sage canyon]

Play hail of arrows

Best marksman build

[surreal birch]

Hmm that is like a ground targeted dot?

[sage canyon]

Yess

35mil dps, and with new setup its less hassle in mapping just roll and hail then puncture if low on mana u arent limited to 1 hail anymore so can stack them up

Killed uber on budget fast too

[surreal birch]

So I need something with it to use for single target

Like puncture?

[sage canyon]

No it is single target and aoe

Hail killes dummy in like 30 seconds or below

[surreal birch]

Can you spam it or do you need to wait for dot to tick

[sage canyon]

U spam

Mana is only limitation so u use pincture as generator

[surreal birch]

I'll give it a go, worst case I do something else 😛

Kinda wish you could copy chars

Keep old setup

[sage canyon]

You can check my yt and maxroll put it on too for more details

[surreal birch]

I might but I'm gonna play around with it first, that's half the point

[sage canyon]

If u get stuck ye check guide there are some key elements to make it work

[surreal birch]

Alright thanks

Looks like you could use any bow unless going for a particular element?

1 mil to respec master wow

[sage canyon]

fire is the best and thus dragonsong

[broken barn]

Getting +2 intelligence skills on traitors tongue is unnecessary, correct?

[surreal birch]

Which one on maxroll is your guide?

[broken barn]

Umbral blades

[surreal birch]

I meant misha

No idea what your question is sorry, no reason why you'd want that

😛

Oh I get it, yeah no need

[sage canyon]

for other classes

[sage canyon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/hail-of-arrows-marksman-guide
uber kill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX6jsRAivMw&t=2s

[surreal birch]

Thanks

What is that evanessence remix haha

[sage canyon]

hahah demonic mix 😏

and i did that fight so bad hahah walked in every single mechanic on boss and on op gear it gets to 7k hp so even more tanky

[surreal birch]

Yeah that's crazy hp you had

What was your hp globe turning pink?

[sage canyon]

thats on budget no crazy items

its when ravenous void procs

[surreal birch]

Ah ok

[jovial hill]

Thanks! Sorry for late reply, been busy. I'll focus on the umbral blades then. Don't need to worry about +4 AA on armor/helm then and just focus on dex and throwing?

[surreal birch]

AA does little/nothing, its a vehicle to spam umbral

I think that afix might also have throwing dmg which is useful but prob doesn't compare to dex

Holy

[woeful ether]

wow nice

could gamble or just take the t7 dex and t6/5 suffix

[surreal birch]

By gamble do you mean redemption rune?

I figure you would convert str to dex, havoc, then add whatever desired afix, redemption with any left over fp

[vernal zealot]

Thebonly problem with that method is you wont be able to change ward gained if you havoc to dex

Honestly very good though

Whatever route you go

[surreal birch]

What would the alternative be?

Only way I can see would be putting a t1, havoc then chaos

Or something insane with removal

But I always get absolutely f'd whenever I try something fancy

[vernal zealot]

Craft ele res or whatever affix t1> havoc and if you hit t7 attribute then just settle but hopefully you make the t6 t1 then you can chaos it for the potential throw dmg @surreal birch

You need to craft ele res anyway to havoc it anyway

So if you hit t7 t1 t6 t5 for eg

[surreal birch]

Yeah that makes sense

Lol I'm in the middle of respeccing and didn't think to do my slams first...

Bit hard when you have no skills assigned

[broken barn]

Why does the maxroll guide for umbral blades spec into Cold?

[prisma marlin]

cold is easier to gear out early on until you can kill uber aberroth and have a shattered worlds

[broken barn]

Ah ok thanks

[prisma marlin]

once you have shattered worlds you switch to physical

[broken barn]

When does the build really come together?

[prisma marlin]

I would say when you have a razorfall and T7 cooldown recovery on boots and belt

[broken barn]

Would increased damage whope wielding a dagger be better than increased throwing damage on an idol?

[prisma marlin]

either is fine if you want to go that route. Umbral scales with throw dmg

[broken barn]

But since I'm wielding a dagger will the increased damage apply to all types of damage?

[prisma marlin]

The damage will scale with the stats of the dagger and/or skill points that are chosen

[surreal birch]

@prisma marlin he is talking about "whilst wielding a dagger affix" which IS scaling the way @broken barn said (yes will increase everything). Its not scaling "increased dagger damage" in the way you have with "increased bow damage" vs "damage whilst wielding a bow"

The diference is bow has both whilst dagger doesn't

Its like "crit chance whilst duel wielding" boosts all crit even e.g. spell dmg presumably

[broken barn]

Ok so it's effectively better than the throwing damage affix as long as I'm wielding a dagger?

[woeful ether]

technically yes but you don't really do nonthrowing dmg...

it's like saying you want a 20% increase on <1% of your dmg lol

[surreal birch]

But its an all damage buf

So the only question is "which has the bigger % number"

[vernal zealot]

Also we get so much increased% dmg which is additive with itself

100% increased dmg ends up being 5% total increased dmg when ramped

[surreal birch]

Isn't it all "increased" are addative together forming one of the multipliers which are multiplied together?

[vernal zealot]

Yes but the build can get somewhere between 3000-4500% increased dmg just from the 2 dusk shroud orante idols @surreal birch

[surreal birch]

Yeah I'm on all o that. Hadn't throught how that would factor in with other mods

So is that why e.g. physical % increased on weapon is not valued?

[vernal zealot]

My upper limit is 240 shrouds on uber abby (very geared)

And yeah generally speaking

[surreal birch]

Yeah but how do you get that many shrouds though. The others cap at like 150. And I barely get 120 with +shadow gloves

Was talking to geroge and some o the others quite a lot a few days ago

[vernal zealot]

Its nice for initial ramp while building, i have +1 shadow gloves with cdr implicit and stuff

Were you testing on a dummy for 120?

ua is much easier to get higher shrouds on

[surreal birch]

Mostly, but I havn't actually seen it get higher on uber

Dummy is still more oten 100 to 110. Still have very little idea what makes it explode vs stall

[vernal zealot]

It comes down to making sure your in smoke bomb at all times and i specced into node that gives free dark quiver for shrouds

[surreal birch]

Yeah but I am on dummy for sure, and I can still watch it sometimes refuse to do much of anything

And other times explode

[vernal zealot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/I_grief_alot/character/Heartsook my current planner for the phase skip uber abby setup

do not follow if you want to play in monos

[surreal birch]

So that's basically using shift to burst at the right time with recalled blades?