I should probably do the same to free up those passive points
#🔪┃rogue
atomic vapor
verbal pier
since we only farm false temple/cemetry/trove its good with 4/4 thats why I dont change it to shred
and sometimes lazy to respec if wanna do uber
atomic vapor
same I don't respec anymore I can't be bothered tbh
@woeful ether one day I'll bother to slam some health somewhere
woeful ether
need 100 res to look pretty 😭
atomic vapor
I'll actually get it
I'm farming red rings so mine will improve soon
res isn't maxrolled
sage halo
Is it better to have the armor and dodge rather than a life roll?
woeful ether
did you give up on core btw? just sticking to null?
atomic vapor
yeah I'll probably stick to null
atomic vapor
Is it better to have the armor and dodge rather than a life roll?
those don't come from armor/dodge slams
sage halo
Interesting. Would it be better for a Dodge or amour roll rather than health from your experience?
sage halo
Being the rouge class, I get so much dodge from the passive skill tree that I was actually going Armor/Crit avoid
What would you prefer in a build rather than armor or dodge?
atomic vapor
cap your end, cap your res, then go max health
sage halo
End?
atomic vapor
endurance
sage halo
Interesting. What is endurance cap?
atomic vapor
60%. you can go to LE tools and change gear around to see your EHP with different stats
if you're playing falconer though, it's a little hard to see your real EHP numbers because the site doesn't account for any dusk shroud stacks
(but for mapping it's accurate because you barely generate any dusk shroud stacks anyway while moving around)
sage halo
Thank you for taking the time put of your day to hand down some knowledge. I will check it out.
atomic vapor
don't mention it, I learn every day myself
surreal birch
I really don't understand why sometimes I do what looks like the same thing but do 2-3X the dps. And I'm not counting the times I get frailty stacks 😛
Like sometimes I can burn the first 2-3 phases in the same time it takes me to do p1 other attempts
Sometimes I burn p1 by the time first cicle is done, sometimes the exact same thing I still have full shield?
Also god I am terrible at dodging orbs
Like that attempt right there. I literally one shot the 2nd harbinger the instant he spawned. Other times It takes quite a bit to burn him
It doesn't make any sense
verbal pier
don't mention it, I learn every day myself
now its done
atomic vapor
it's gonna take you a while to find a purple for the second one if it drops ;P
atomic vapor
reroll is a bit risky with such high multi
verbal pier
Im curious after update can we get same unique + LP if its proc? cause when first launch S2 we can get it
I just got Lp4 traitor from my friends
verbal pier
I'm worried more about season 3
ah for now players still playing with group because of imprint, if they nerf it on S3 LE become less enjoyable after reaching endgame
atomic vapor
ah for now players still playing with group because of imprint, if they nerf it ...
yeah... tbh if they ruin imprints i might take a break in season 3
I don't wanna play with fewer drops
surreal birch
Im curious after update can we get same unique + LP if its proc? cause when firs...
I have imprinted empty LP2 RR that procced twice today - no LP
I have no idea if it increases chance, but not gaurenteed for sure
atomic vapor
it does but even then 2lp red ring isn't exactly common
surreal birch
Yeah
When it dropped I'm like that's probably the best item I'll ever see
For a season anyway
Not even going to ask how Meru casually pulls LP4 whatever out his ass
atomic vapor
meru grinds harder than most people in the entire game
that dagger procced at 4million prophecies
surreal birch
Yeah I could tell
atomic vapor
I've got 8 3lp ones and i'm around the same level of favor spent right now
it took me a week for this
surreal birch
Yeah and I decided that LP2 at about 1/100 or 200 was the max I cbf even attempting to farm 😛
atomic vapor
this is the jungle belt
this is the dagger in comparison
ofc the dagger is way easier to farm because it drops like candy
so you beat the numbers with prophecies
jungle belt is a much rarer drops as a baseline
but has a way higher lp chance
surreal birch
Those LP numbers for jungle sure don't reflect all the belt prophs I did >_<
atomic vapor
keep in mind for cof the chances are halved
surreal birch
Many LP3 o almost everything, only 1 LP2 jungle
When in the 2nd to last phase do you try to get him out from the side towards the middle?
I keep finding I can't get him away from edge in final circle transition
verbal pier
yeah... tbh if they ruin imprints i might take a break in season 3
no reason to play after endgame if they ruin imprint system
atomic vapor
no reason to play after endgame if they ruin imprint system
ur speaking facts
10000000000%
verbal pier
I have imprinted empty LP2 RR that procced twice today - no LP
it drops from echos reward or from monster kill?
atomic vapor
i get rr drops from both personally
atomic vapor
When in the 2nd to last phase do you try to get him out from the side towards th...
are you trying to practice or do you need some kills done? i can help if you want
surreal birch
are you trying to practice or do you need some kills done? i can help if you wan...
I got my first kill and can't get 2nd
surreal birch
it drops from echos reward or from monster kill?
Those were monster kill procs
My relics didn't get LP 😦
atomic vapor
I got 2 rings from echo rewards today
surreal birch
If you are down to help that'd be cool
I'm getting close sometimes, but getting tired/sloppy
Had like.. 5 goes on the end circle that got splatted
atomic vapor
sure IGN?
surreal birch
IGN?
atomic vapor
ingame name
verbal pier
Im about to try like 30-40 troves tomorrow if I think its impossible to proc 4LP then I will slam it hahaha
atomic vapor
Im about to try like 30-40 troves tomorrow if I think its impossible to proc 4LP...
50 troves 6 red rings
literally crying
(one 1lp)
surreal birch
50 troves 6 red rings
I did way more yesterday and zero 😦 Unless you mean 50 whole maps lol
verbal pier
thats still decent since RR is extra rare drop
atomic vapor
yeah but it's not an upgrade, I need 2lp
atomic vapor
I did way more yesterday and zero 😦 Unless you mean 50 whole maps lol
I mean 50 whole maps lol
also what region are u?
I tried helping an asian guy and got 300 ping
surreal birch
Australia
atomic vapor
oh no this might suck lol. let's try anyway
surreal birch
I mean I can come lag on your server but it'll be bad 😛
I lag enough on my own server
atomic vapor
oh true teleport to my server so I can at least kill it for you without hassle
we didn't get the relic chat
F
surreal birch
I have way more echos, I'll put em down later
Was abotu to take a break
But lp2 null and seed not bad
surreal birch
lp1 gloves if I ever make pally
surreal birch
Sentinal I meant
atomic vapor
new upgrade I guess (still don't have a triple t7 dagger so we ball)
prisma marlin
very nice slam with the 2x tier 7 on weapon
prisma marlin
Its always a win when you can land the slam
surreal birch
How does parry work for us, is it basically dodge?
atomic vapor
it works the same for everyone. just an additional defensive layer that's currently very experimental (mike said it was them attempting to add something new)
I did a fading brink
cobalt mantle
How does parry work for us, is it basically dodge?
It's more like block, but it reduces the hit damage to 0 instead
sharp ravenBOT
fossil goblet
anyone know if coordinated assault is 1 percent remaining cooldown per 10 max mana. just trying to make sure im reading it right lol
prisma marlin
Alright I made an all purpose planner
Do you have a 2x tier 7 shattered worlds?
atomic vapor
Do you have a 2x tier 7 shattered worlds?
I made a showcase planner with the correct stats for every slot
Not my character
surreal birch
Oh I was gonna say, that's some crazy gear
atomic vapor
Yeah I just don't want someone to look at my planner and I'm trying something out and they get confused
prisma marlin
Oh ok
atomic vapor
Happened a couple of days ago
I'm just gonna link them to this planner if anyone has questions
surreal birch
Interesting glove choice but yeah I see it. I was using river gloves or a long time
surreal birch
Shadow gloves?
atomic vapor
Not realistic
atomic vapor
The minmaxed build used exalted gloves with +1 shadows sealed
surreal birch
Yeah I've seen em
atomic vapor
And lirakas is way stronger than anything else outside of those
Also lirakas helps you endurance cap without brew belt
surreal birch
Yeah I saw the endurance, that sells it
prisma marlin
3LP blood roost dropped for me today, it has bad rolls but besides imprinting a RR, I haven’t imprinted any other uniques. Will I get showered with 3LP blood roosts if I imprint it?
atomic vapor
No but you'll get a lot of 2lp for turtle food
So it's easily more consistent than before for you now
surreal birch
I had to work way harder than I wanted to get even 2 lp2
If you are a more normal player yeah might not see them soon
prisma marlin
2LP blood roost seems to be more common than 2LP razorfall
surreal birch
I agree with that
atomic vapor
I'm very happy with how I set up the planner. It's very very tanky and the damage is pretty much minmaxed
Did you see the EHP
prisma marlin
The planner you show is very nice. But maybe have one for pre uber kills without shattered worlds. Seeing the 2LP with 2x tier 7 affixes almost gave me a heart attack. I haven’t seen a 2LP shattered worlds yet and I have over 130 uber aberroth kills
atomic vapor
I intentionally added multiple lp everywhere as a point of reference. It answers all the "I got this piece with more lp what do I slam"
It's not so much a "realistic goal for casual play" planner but rather "I got lucky with this drop, what's the best stats"
surreal birch
Did you see the EHP
That is a lot, where is it coming from?
Is it just the endurance, cause the other stats don't look that much higher
atomic vapor
That is a lot, where is it coming from?
20% while moving, 20% from red rings, armor, overcap res from null, and big dodge/parry from dagger
Go to the buffs and add 100 dusk shroud stacks
And look at the EHP on uber
It's so cool
Oh and 10% from shattered worlds
But keep in mind all DR is multiplicative
So those numbers don't just add obviously
surreal birch
Yeah but my planner has most of the same things
Like move speed DR, red rings. Obviously no relic
That planned has like 80% more ehp despite having 100 less hp
But not that much more armor, some other things are lower
atomic vapor
A big part of the EHP also comes from 15% health into endurance threshold from the passive (I love that thing I don't understand why it's not more talked about)
surreal birch
Yeah those are real good points
I had missed them when I was trying to find threshold a few days ago
atomic vapor
Also another thing you might be missing in your planner is turning on the 20% less dmg while moving tag from the rogue passive
I can't think of something else
atomic vapor
What about your blessings. The bottom ones for me are % armor and endurance
(I can't take the flat armor I don't cap otherwise)
atomic vapor
Something you could do with giga gear would be t7 dual wielding throw, dex, % health and endurance on 4lp peak of the mountain
That would allow you to get the flat armor blessing
surreal birch
Yeah
Trying to get multi t7s I was finding very frustrating though
and I've burned through ALL my havocs
and most redemptions
atomic vapor
The grind never stops 🙏
surreal birch
_<
😛
How would you try and rescue/use an item like chest with t7 vit, t7 junk, t6 armor% t5 necro res
Anything to do other than redemption and pray?
atomic vapor
I'd imprint and shatter 😭 because to fix it you need havoc to move the t5 onto dex, then redemption the other 3 stats, then IF you get something good, havoc the t7 back onto dex, so we're talking an astronomically low chance for the material cost
Alternatively, imprint, use a removal, pray the t5 goes away, add health
surreal birch
Its not dex its vit, I edited to fix
atomic vapor
....yeah I'd save your materials
surreal birch
I did imprint it ages aog and I got a few that were similar or worse. Either lower tiers or diferent stats
I tried making something out of the worse ones but nothing
atomic vapor
3 purple stats with none of them being useful is a very low chance when you don't have an open socket to mess with
surreal birch
😦 getting double t7 so hard
Oh I have this - helm t7 shuriken/throwing %, t5 junk, t6 armor, t7 health %
I feel like that's worth a slam attempt even without dex?
atomic vapor
Nooope
surreal birch
:/
atomic vapor
It's not even the lack of dex, that's basically a 1lp health
surreal birch
Sure its not dex but its still 2/3 options being useful AND > t5
Which would still make it the best slam I'd have attmpted
prisma marlin
Oh I have this - helm t7 shuriken/throwing %, t5 junk, t6 armor, t7 health %
Health is polish to the build and doesn’t speed up uber aberroth kills. Dmg is more important imo. You could imprint this item and maybe get lucky with a similar set up but with flexibility and more FP for havoc/redemption and despair/removal. I was able to bring up an item with 0FP with the 2x tier 7 affixes I wanted to 30ish FP before I stopped imprinting it, this same item is 4LP slam worthy.
pale quail
Oh and 10% from shattered worlds
all of those damage reduction wont flat increase tho, its better to have more hp/es in the build if you are aiming for higher corruption
surreal birch
Health is polish to the build and doesn’t speed up uber aberroth kills. Dmg is m...
Definitely true for uber, I was talking overall gameplay though. Surving one incidental hit is much more relevant in mapping. Its very dificult to avoid everything, especially with the combo of my connection + game netcode
atomic vapor
all of those damage reduction wont flat increase tho, its better to have more hp...
For sure. But it's meant to be a functional planner for newcomers. I didn't wanna go too crazy about it. Just something to quickly link to someone as a replacement for the maxroll guide
atomic vapor
But keep in mind all DR is multiplicative
.
surreal birch
WITNESS MY SKILLS
atomic vapor
It's a bug haha
slate mulch
how long does it take to farm doubel t7s with proper affixes
i had one and a 3LP unique ready to slam but i accidentally rune of redemptioned instead of hope an bricked it
peak LE gameplay
in 80 hours of gameplay that was the only proper 2x t7 i got gg
surreal birch
I find it very time consuming
Especially if you use the very high standards of 'proper' some people here use :p
I was about the same.. and I havn't got a proper doube t7 slam at 230ish hours
I had some bricked t7/7/6 that both hit the junk t5 afix..
Until you need it double 7s, its both more optimal and time eficent to have t7/5 perect afixes than t7/7 ok ones
slate mulch
its nuts how insane some ppls gear is here, double-triple proper T7s from quite a few users
that would be like 800+ hours of gameplay for me, though im sure i farm inefficiently
surreal birch
Yeah
@atomic vapor what do you think of these changes? Swapped to daggers, took hp on helm (which was previously hp/armor, don't yell at me for no dex) so I could take dex null portent (previously t7 hp%). Swapped blessing from crit avoid to all res. (Technically not crit avoid capped, only downside). This feels like a net upgrade whilst I work on the lp2 chest, finding new t3 helms, filling out lp2 daggers, w/e
sharp ravenBOT
slate mulch
have you been actively spamming nemesis towers?
woeful ether
looks good to me. why don't you switch off cold umbrals
can use better than uncenui and throne
woeful ether
you can use exalted relic
surreal birch
Isn't that a big dps downgrade until LP 1 shattered?
woeful ether
and switch your large idols for res bc they're basically 1.5 stats
surreal birch
have you been actively spamming nemesis towers?
I have at times yes. Either to try get multi exalt items or to build up turtle food
surreal birch
and switch your large idols for res bc they're basically 1.5 stats
Meaning large idols are efficient stat gains? Or bad?
woeful ether
your idols basically give you % hp, just a bit of crit, and negligible flat dodge rating
for 1x3
you could get pen or res or other stats for that space instead
surreal birch
For sure but like I said above, was under the impression an exalted relic would be a huge dps downgrade until lp1 shattered worlds
woeful ether
Isn't that a big dps downgrade until LP 1 shattered?
if you keep crit and get throw dmg pretty sure it's similar. i guess technically should be tested but ucenui isn't crazy while i can see an argument for keeping throne
surreal birch
Or I have a pretty solid LP0 shattered I can run
Pretty sure throne is dead without ucenui? Cause both stack up big cold bufs
woeful ether
no bc the explosions are fire
throne gives more cold and fire but uncenui is only inc cold
which dusk shrouds also give inc anyway
surreal birch
Oh yeah. I had totally not factored the fire node at any point until you pointed that out yesterday
Can't believe it was so big
woeful ether
from my testing it's like half the dps lol
surreal birch
Yeah I've been meaning to take it of and test to conirm
woeful ether
have to count the numbers on dummy and verify which nodes they come from which is incredibly hard
surreal birch
I figure if I delete the node and my time to kill the dummy is 2X longer that's an easy conirm
woeful ether
i don't think i saw a significant difference in unspeccing cold node
explopsion is 50/50 fire/phys tho and i don't think that gets cold converted
hence why i think uncenui can easily be switched but argument for keeping throne
surreal birch
No I mean take off the explode node
woeful ether
nah if you go big umbral you for sure go explode node
surreal birch
Yeah I just mean to test your statement that it IS half o dps
I'm 95% sure you're right
So would you keep umbral as cold with dropping ucenui?
woeful ether
fwiw this is what i wrote for all the dmg numbers, the 10777144 is the explosion nuumber
woeful ether
So would you keep umbral as cold with dropping ucenui?
i think it wouldn't matter much since there's not really points to put it into but tehcnically if you have phys pen idols/affixes it would be better to unspec cold
you just max out steel torment for higher aoe coverage
surreal birch
Yeah, being able to consolidate on one type for afixes is the big one I'm looking orward to
What do you use to screen record btw?
surreal birch
Ah ok I can prob get that
surreal birch
I need lp3s and the raw exalt items so its a project
Of which there are multiple to do
I think slams for lp2 daggers and then gloves swap first maybe?
atomic vapor
I don't have a triple t7 helm either so I opted for t7 throw t5 dex t7 health
Sure those sound like solid upgrades
surreal birch
Well actually first I want to get going on uber relic
But legit cannot play the boss atm cause lag
woeful ether
what sserver are you on
surreal birch
I can come to you
atomic vapor
I'd help but I'm at work
woeful ether
i've no idea - george?
atomic vapor
Nope
woeful ether
i never played party
btw @surreal birch this was the relic i used instead of uncenui doing my testing yseterday
but i did keep throne :P
atomic vapor
Oh foxy I wrote a description for my planner thing
surreal birch
I'd have to search my stash to see if I have that much
woeful ether
oh is this useful at all
woeful ether
is ox even that good
i personally think around 160 dex is desired, rest can go into throw like you mention. looks good though
surreal birch
If you are advising new players I find elecoes abandon easy enough to get and CRAZY high value all around
woeful ether
i'm not sure that 180 dex really makes a diff vs 160
what's the planner link btw
don't think i looked at it
surreal birch
sharp ravenBOT
atomic vapor
is ox even that good
It's more flat health than null and movement speed
It's basically two t7 health slams if you slam health on it
So if you don't care about the extra phys res it's nice
woeful ether
ah i see
i wish you could order the slams instead of always prefix suffix
so the planner would show the priority
atomic vapor
Yeah I thought that too when I was making it
But at the end of the day
Not to sound too toxic but it wouldn't hurt people to use a little critical thinking 😭
woeful ether
nah that's just a tool thing. there's no notes section built in either hah
that's why i think just mention the min desired dex
atomic vapor
It barely matters anyway when razorfalls are there just for show
You don't care about umbrals staying on the ground
woeful ether
just to help with the "do i go dex or throw if it brings me over a new 20 threshold"
wait is dive bomb cdr actually good?
atomic vapor
Where?
woeful ether
rush of the hunt
the full recovery
all the important points are taken so not really a big thing but isn't it similar to saying you want dive bomb to not hit -> longer cd -> aa resets it?
maybe i'm bird brained atm
@surreal birch ready to uber btw
surreal birch
char visser
woeful ether
it's hard to tell since that's like minmaxing ttimings lol and it's already so short
atomic vapor
I'll be able to tell by the dusk shroud stacks
woeful ether
how tf doess friends list work in this game
atomic vapor
Yes it's account not character name
woeful ether
i can move us west if you want
woeful ether
yea idk 😭
surreal birch
Should be on your server
surreal birch
Haha
I mean I'll do some dps if I don't lag explode back into the mechanic like then lol
But US isn't gonna be pretty
woeful ether
yea... aus is rough
surreal birch
In wow a lot o people play across aus/us ping.. we did it for literally decades. But my current location is not great internet so I can't do that anymore
And tonight its just stupid locally too
Also how do you not have gear 😛
surreal birch
My main surprise is its only 1.7X not 2X
woeful ether
ok should be fine hopefully
actually have a useful relic now
turns out having throw dmg instead of basically a 0lp shattered is great
woeful ether
discord is better anyway
dunno why this run he didn't hit harby in slam
that was weird
surreal birch
Oh he does friendly fire?
woeful ether
i cant believe i walked into slam
@atomic vapor you do enough dmg to just do 2 player hp same as solo?
or is it weird with party
atomic vapor
I can't get my pb obviously
woeful ether
okay i actually noticed
atomic vapor
But I push to the fat harbinger instantly if the other person doesn't mess around
woeful ether
something is buggy with dusk shoulds
i only got 30 during first slam
instead of normal 100+ i should get
surreal birch
Are you lagging too?
atomic vapor
I don't think I get something like that but I play with ES guys usually
Maybe that's why
woeful ether
i'm not lagging
try not to smoke bomb?
i wonder if it's granting you stacks
or ssomething being weire
yea idk it's def the shroud stacking
something is being inconsistent
woeful ether
there we go
surreal birch
Insane diference
woeful ether
it's 100% some weirdness with the shroud stacking
atomic vapor
Interesting
woeful ether
i had normal stacks this time, 150 easy stacks
surreal birch
Yeah i eel like something is off with mine cause I never break 100
Been meaning to look into it
That's all the ones I got placed atm
I have 2 more but gotta run a cemetary
Apparently I don't
atomic vapor
Outside of the god gear the planner I posted is basically my build and foxys is more or less the same so take a look to see if you're missing anything
surreal birch
Thanks for the help 🙂
woeful ether
i think i take a bit more smoke bomb duration but shouldnt make a big diff
np
sorry about the weirdness fails haha
time to grind le to take a break from grinding poe
woeful ether
hands been feeling off from poe 😭 kbm issues
atomic vapor
Farm jungle belt
woeful ether
not even playing a crazy build in poe too
atomic vapor
I got one yesterday
surreal birch
Omg
atomic vapor
Rolled 2p res
surreal birch
Guys
atomic vapor
20*
surreal birch
woeful ether
get a nice t7 throw dmg on it :)
surreal birch
Nailed it
atomic vapor
Don't you dare waste it if you don't get max rolled throw 🙏🙏
surreal birch
You mean I should put throw and not dex?
woeful ether
this iss what i slammed before finishing your ubers
atomic vapor
100%
woeful ether
160 vs 180 dex is not a signifficant difference
200 is just giga min max
so you def want to just get flat throw
atomic vapor
It matters way way less now that you don't care about umbrals on the ground
It's just increased dmg
woeful ether
yep
surreal birch
When did ground ubmrals stop mattering?
woeful ether
since you went umbral build and not dive bomb
surreal birch
I had no idea >_< lol
atomic vapor
Bladestorm doesn't allow them to stay on the ground
And you get 6 explosions from AA already
atomic vapor
I was considering the crit multi boots over razors but 12 dex 2 to skills is so good
surreal birch
I swear I had some shadow gloves saved but can't find them
atomic vapor
Lol I'm sticking with my lirakas I am at exactly 700% crit multi
woeful ether
ooh that looks sick
atomic vapor
Which is the threshold of pen being better
woeful ether
interesting
atomic vapor
Throw
woeful ether
dex if you need it, or throw if you don't
atomic vapor
And havoc
atomic vapor
😭
woeful ether
or chaoss
surreal birch
Damn, on 2 FP ater adding the throw >_<
atomic vapor
Jeeeeeez
surreal birch
Pray
atomic vapor
You got this hit that havoc
surreal birch
T7 armor >_<
woeful ether
biggest havoc in the west
atomic vapor
Committing sudoku
surreal birch
haha
woeful ether
it still is an upgrade i bet
surreal birch
Ok what gives
I was just dummy testing and my dps has dropped considerably (adding relic, same old gloves)
woeful ether
how do you do grind troves george? do you just put all your troves down first or do a few then cemetery then a few more
surreal birch
Also my dusk shroud didn't go over like 40-50
woeful ether
dummy is also small keep in mind
atomic vapor
Folly in the middle, five troves, rinse repeat
woeful ether
but do you build the full web before running?
or have to put a cemetery every 6 echos
atomic vapor
Oh of course
woeful ether
ah
surreal birch
dummy is also small keep in mind
Kill time has been pretty consistant so far. This is a much larger change anyway
woeful ether
i think sometimes seeing a full line of echoes was somehow daunting to me even though i'm the one that placed them
atomic vapor
Place 5, and make a little turn so that you don't hit the end
surreal birch
What is the optimal route for the shrine map btw?
atomic vapor
Circle then middle
Iirc enter from the left side
Is the fastest
Finish at the dead end that exists right above the bottom middle part
surreal birch
Yeah I think that makes sense
surreal birch
Juicy
atomic vapor
I feel like
If someone gives you 80 conquered towers for free
Treating beer is in order
surreal birch
That's a good one to know
@atomic vapor on your planner you have taken explosed weakness under falconry - I heard some streamers say that 100% didn't work with umbral?
Also is there a reason you didn't take the kill threshold talent?
Why do you take the bleed point on dive bomb, wouldn't it be better in featherall? And didn't you say the cdr node for smoke bomb there was broken?
But yeah we have 100% identical talents as relates to dusk shroud. But I max out at 100 stacks holding everything down (110-120 with shadow gloves) so what gives that people are normally at 150?
atomic vapor
All of the bottom line in falconry is a very tiny increase, all you care about is the top part. You can take culling if you want but when you have enough throw, you delete the bar instantly, so it's really optional when you get to the 2lp slams realm. Exposed weakness doesn't work with umbrals but it should work with featherstorm and featherfall which makes mapping easier
surreal birch
I thought the kill threshold thing worked on bosses which is the only reason I took it in the first place
atomic vapor
I'm taking the bleed and cdr on traversal on dive bomb so that I avoid slotting rushing wings which for some reason messes with the dive bombs a lot
surreal birch
Was assuming that was how people were deleting uber final phase
atomic vapor
I thought the kill threshold thing worked on bosses which is the only reason I t...
It does. But when you delete the entire bar after he goes to half hp it doesn't really matter.
Which should be possible with a couple of more throw slams
Obviously you should take it by all means, I just didn't slot it because it felt insignificant
What else did you ask that I missed
Oh. Each target can be hit by featherfall once
More points in featherfall help a little with mapping
surreal birch
Obviously you should take it by all means, I just didn't slot it because it felt...
Fair enough, should it be on there for 'reerence planner' purposes for others though?
atomic vapor
But you don't hit the same target more times per
atomic vapor
Fair enough, should it be on there for 'reerence planner' purposes for others th...
Yes I should probably change that, honestly I created this by copying mine so it's not something I considered
surreal birch
The main thing I'm trying to work out is my low dusk shroud stacks
I'll try without rushing wings in a bit
surreal birch
1 since you started talking to me
Previously it was a core node to me
Made it feel way better
atomic vapor
I've consistently spammed Uber at 4 points and at 0
When at 0 I get 150+ stacks
At 4 points it doesn't go above 100 ever
Sometimes it stayed at like 60?
surreal birch
I'm gonna try
atomic vapor
Falconer is so broken on so many levels that I wouldn't put it past the code for there to be some weird interaction with something else
Maybe something in my gear messes with it that I can't think off the top of my head
Feel free to play with 4 points on Uber and see how many stacks you get, I'm only using myself as a reference
woeful ether
do you filter out t7/t6 and double t6 exalts?
atomic vapor
in my loot filter personally? Yeah I only have a singular rule for exalts
Double t7
No specific stats or bases or class or anything else
Check all armor/weapons, all stats top to bottom, "with at least two affixes" tier 7
Done
atomic vapor
You can filter out the non rogue stuff but
I got a triple t7 wand that I'm considering slamming in my 4lp ladle
So it's worth in the long run for me
surreal birch
I'll take some of those 7/6 you don't want mr big spender :p
atomic vapor
😭they're not an upgrade for me it's not my fault
surreal birch
OK I have zero points there now. I feel like its ramping up faster, but my stacks are the same? Or like 5 lower
atomic vapor
I still see all the 7/7/6s
woeful ether
i don't have t7/t6 rule bc i couldn't figure it out without showing double t6
atomic vapor
The compromise I made while gearing was
Start out with an "at least" double t6 rule
And suffer a few unnecessary mouseovers
And when I was done with mid tier gear
I swapped the 6 to 7
woeful ether
if i'm slamming 2 lp it's double t7 at least :P
well unless i really want something
atomic vapor
🙏that's exactly why I changed it
woeful ether
i have 1 point in it bc i'm lazyand still get up to 180 stacks on uber
maxes around 180 tbf
120-150 is usually easy/comfy
surreal birch
How do you get 150 though
I have same talents, same passives and I cap at like 110, briefly at that
atomic vapor
I have a small suspicion as to what's happening with your case honestly
I feel like your macro is too slow
woeful ether
do you use falcon strikes
surreal birch
do you use falcon strikes
Yes
woeful ether
try not
surreal birch
I have wondered if a diferent script would work differently
woeful ether
only aa and dive bomb
atomic vapor
Try without and also try to do it manually once. Just one try. Hold down AA and dive bomb manally
I wanna see if your macro sucks
Manually"
woeful ether
you're just at dummy still getting 100?
surreal birch
only aa and dive bomb
Seems the same
surreal birch
you're just at dummy still getting 100?
Yes
surreal birch
Try without and also try to do it manually once. Just one try. Hold down AA and ...
Have done it beore, will try now
woeful ether
i only get 100, around 130 then dummy dies
atomic vapor
Same at the dummy it goes about 120ish
But it dies long before it reaches those stacks (obviously)
surreal birch
Manually it hit 120 for a sec (so higher) but on average it spent WAY longer on low stacks (80-90)
woeful ether
i can barely hit 150 on dummy and only rarely
you're gonna build way mroe stacks on uber
surreal birch
With script its more oten over 100-120
atomic vapor
I was considering dropping the dex on gloves and getting increased area for skills
But I doubt it'd help
woeful ether
yea
woeful ether
lol
surreal birch
Also what do you guys think about taking shred phys or cold resist blessing over armor %
Good for uber right?
atomic vapor
You're capped on phys shred from dive bomb
atomic vapor
I've seen cold umbrals out there but I dislike it
I don't see a universe where it would push ahead when armor and therefore armor shred matters more for physical damage
Also to take throne you're giving up an ornate and while the throne is multiplicative damage, it still pales compared to 1200% increased
Maybe my math isn't mathing I don't know
woeful ether
it's also only base dmg which i think is only the 3 bladestorms not even the explosions
atomic vapor
Yes the explosions are still throwing and fire damage
So I don't know
If you're gonna do something spicy just use a torch for more fire damage
surreal birch
80% increased armor shred efect is gonna be good use for an idol slot right (2nd affix along with 8% dusk shroud)
Or at least good enough until I get one with phys or throwing %
woeful ether
not really
even dmg wield dagger is ok
but yeah 8% is best if you have nothing else
atomic vapor
No it's actually good that's what meru uses
woeful ether
meru doesn't have other shred
atomic vapor
It helps you not care about a shred slam
Oh Visser had a shred slam on daggers?
I didn't know
I'm trying to farm one of those myself because I'm already one passive point down having to slot 7 avoidance points
Probably add it back to whatever it's called tailwind I think
Bottom right
Or just max out the armor node
surreal birch
I had spred on gloves until like 2 mins ago, just slammed it on daggers
surreal birch
but yeah 8% is best if you have nothing else
I mean 8% dmg per shroud
We want 2 of those after throne right?
also its incresed shred EFFECT not shred chance itsel
idk if that is invalidated by shred having a cap
woeful ether
it effectively makes you stack faster
i'm making at least 1 idol with it bc i have this anyway. best to have all options available lol
surreal birch
Yeah but does it give me more efect after its stacked up? cause hitting 160 is super fast anyway
woeful ether
no
that's why it effectively makes you stack faster
double effect = half stacks needed to hit cap
surreal birch
:/ kinda not that great then
Btw do we have to just spam normal aberoth to get echos for uber?
woeful ether
yes
next gale
is lethal darkness (shadow daggers) a signficant part of umbral blades dmg?
woeful ether
no
atomic vapor
it's alright for maps where you aren;t generating any dusk shroud stacks
next gale
hm why does ti amtter wheter im generating dusk shroud stacks?
atomic vapor
hm why does ti amtter wheter im generating dusk shroud stacks?
all of your skills are physical and throwing and scale off of the exact same stats
the difference is, for bosses, umbral blades gets a casual 2500% from dusk shroud
so shadow dagger does around 1/25th of the base umbral blades damage (non counting the explosion damage) at that point
for a boss the damage is miniscule
next gale
wait, 2500% from what, wtheck
next gale
wait, wtf. i have some of those but im not using them lol
atomic vapor
use the planner I posted above
atomic vapor
you're supposed to get 150 stacks at max on uber
obviously it's not maintained
but even at around 100 stacks, the increased damage is nuts
surreal birch
Shapis there's a skill node which gives you base 8% per stack, plus 8 more rom each idol
You have to also take every node which will generate stacks
Its like the core build mechanic which maxroll left out
atomic vapor
oh that one
next gale
oh oaky ,i only have 1 point in it for now
atomic vapor
I honestly have the umbral nodes blocked off my memory because they're so set in stone
surreal birch
Keep in midn this only matters for killing big bosses or hard content. For general mapping you wont be stopping to build up stacks
atomic vapor
yes that's why I have shadow daggers slotted. it's only 1 point and umbrals have points to waste anyway
atomic vapor
sure if you don't mind less dps
next gale
normal aberoth kicked mty butt, i want revenge lmao. im a noobie dont judge.
atomic vapor
I'm using two as well
next gale
whats "bis" for idols?
surreal birch
If you are new you might not be using phys dam tho
atomic vapor
i need a little void for null to be relevant
I think the small ones can roll cold if you're using ucenui
surreal birch
You can get better with ele res
next gale
we get a vertical 3 hight with 2 big umbral ones
height*
what do we od for that?
or jsut do all throw dmg instead
surreal birch
Mostly use smaller ones, I just dropped my 3X1
atomic vapor
I'm personally choosing mana for this
atomic vapor
I know umbrals got 2500% more and 2500% increased but the 8% threw me off because of
wait
i thought you meant this and I was like "that's for dive bomb"
it's the most recent 8% in my brain
because I've been messing with the skill a lot
surreal birch
haha
atomic vapor
you can literally disregard res/mana and get 9% more pen but I am hellbent on making null portent useful
i'm not backing down
next gale
how do we stack umbral btw? i jsut tried at the target dummy and i mnot stacking it very high hm
atomic vapor
✊
surreal birch
Yeah I eel like you gotta stack res if you gonna run null
next gale
stack dusk shroud*
surreal birch
People who don't are weird
atomic vapor
well sometimes you just cant
surreal birch
Yeah obviously
atomic vapor
for a while i used it because even without overcapped res, 30% health and 36%phys is
literally one of the best chests for rogue lol
surreal birch
20%
atomic vapor
yes 20, which one is 30, ox?
surreal birch
I still don't like it that much, imo you gotta overcap to be worth
Prob ox, its not in my list
surreal birch
I don't know what belt you have
surreal birch
Yeah that is pretty good
surreal birch
😮
atomic vapor
I farmed it for an entire week
surreal birch
That's insane though
atomic vapor
this highrolled should get way way more stacks on the dummy
surreal birch
BIS stats, tripple t7
atomic vapor
but I'm disinterested in any body armor that doesn't have health
surreal birch
IDK I'm still strongly of the opinion that's incredible all around armor that's easy to get
surreal birch
It has everything BUT that in high amounts
atomic vapor
I don't know. maybe I'm biased in favor of null portent
surreal birch
I think the community is biased in favour of it cause they copy guides..
(Not saying you)
atomic vapor
I wish people used a little more critical thinking
surreal birch
Its easy enough to get 2lp elecoe, slam hp (sac dex if you have to early) and that's an incredible item
Especially when you need the +skill early
surreal birch
Btw how would you farm lp3-4 peaks? So ar I just full clear any map with elementals in it
Should I imprint it sometime
atomic vapor
you can't imprint it it's a boss drop
surreal birch
I've had like 5 lp3 but I need more, got none out of turtle earlier
atomic vapor
either slot the dungeon packs in the weaver tree or spam lightless
atomic vapor
I'd just farm it raw, 4lp is very very very common
1/135 for cof
and you can turtle all the 3lps in the process
surreal birch
Eh I'll do it when I actually have the item to slam into it
Btw I think there needs to be like a guide on the whole dusk shround stacking thing
Cause like it isn't actually described anywhere and most people don't know it
atomic vapor
it's kinda pointless at this stage in the season
in 1-2 months falc gets nerfed
we don't know what gets changed
surreal birch
Probably will, but idk how sentinal which can facetank uber doesn't get nered 😛
atomic vapor
you'll be able to facetank it as well soon with falc
verbal pier
this highrolled should get way way more stacks on the dummy
I try this armor with T7 dex T7 Health, but it feels like nothing difference
I just like mantle of the pale ox
atomic vapor
I try this armor with T7 dex T7 Health, but it feels like nothing difference
it should be good for maps
bigger dive bombs more shroud
surreal birch
Nah pretty much everything other than laser/puddle overkills me by a ton
atomic vapor
oh you're right it's throwing area
ripp
well
bigger explosions
;D
meru all these ox are 2lp
should I gamble
surreal birch
Lol its now 4:30 am and I've successfully been up all night and not done any of the things I need to have done very soon 🙂
On the other hand, my char is much further along :p
verbal pier
meru all these ox are 2lp
go go T7 health T7 dex then its huge
atomic vapor
go go T7 health T7 dex then its huge
I really wanna use null portent I like it a lot for some reason 😭
I can get even more res if I max out res on red rings
verbal pier
george Ive been testing imprint LP4, 50 troves got like
13 LP 3
half stash LP2
Half Stash LP1
surreal birch
What item?
verbal pier
25% and u got max reduce
verbal pier
What item?
traitor
surreal birch
Nah 40%... 115 total
atomic vapor
13/109 is around 10%
so 1/10 daggers drops 3lp
and the base chance is 1/99 or something
so with imprinting 4lp dagger
you get 10% chance for 3lp
lol
insane
verbal pier
I got like 6 stash LP 0
atomic vapor
didn't mike say cof affects turtle
verbal pier
with 58%+ crit multi and +2 dex
surreal birch
turtle has different odds because you can't get lp1 out of it
atomic vapor
yes but every roll is doubled from the cof node of twice the chance for lp (that's what tunklabs says)
verbal pier
when box proc u got like 3-5 dagger
verbal pier
when box proc u got like 3-5 dagger
every box u open on troves if its proc
atomic vapor
yeah so you drop multiple daggers per proc
and if you wanna go hard
you also use favor at the same time
you can fill like 5 tabs in what 3 days 😭
atomic vapor
I hate prophecies so much
surreal birch
Yeah needs to be automated or something
verbal pier
I hate prophecies so much
for bossing using ocearon for 10% more dmg / pneumbra for 25% crit multi
julra rings also good
atomic vapor
yeah those rings are bis for damage with 2lp
I might farm them before season ends
but
I wanna finish with all the items I want first
I'm waiting for my friend to come online he has 80 conquered towers placed
hoping for a triple t7 helm
verbal pier
I got all the ring, I just dont like it
I enjoy using double RR or 1 RR and 1 phantom
since we kill uber already under 30s
atomic vapor
same but i'd still try to use it on uber to go 64-0. because I can't do it with my gear
I'm stuck at 25 seconds
but yeah I can't be bothered to farm them rn
verbal pier
same but i'd still try to use it on uber to go 64-0. because I can't do it with ...
shattered 2 LP , nihilis 2 LP , double or triple T7 on glove
than u can do it
atomic vapor
shattered 2 LP , nihilis 2 LP , double or triple T7 on glove
I have 600 eyes
should I farm 600 ubers
woeful ether
i think you mean farm 600 cutscenes
verbal pier
okay wth do i spend favor on
dagger but it will be exhausting
woeful ether
is that technically just the best til i get 2 3lp daggers?
woeful ether
bc belts not worth it right
atomic vapor
if we can put like 600 eyes in once
I would literally
pay money
100$ to convert my eyes into ubers
done
p2w I don't even care
woeful ether
i don't get why the cutscene plays every time
should add a skip after you finish it
atomic vapor
wasting 600 normal kills seems like a big waste
i'd do them
just remove the cutscene
woeful ether
yea i would do that too
verbal pier
2LP nihilis u got good roll then failed its suck
woeful ether
it's double cutscene is the other problem
verbal pier
but when its bad roll u success
woeful ether
triple even
atomic vapor
2LP nihilis u got good roll then failed its suck
I don't stress
I'm happy with this season
it's ok
can't win all slams, it's whatever
i'll live
woeful ether
not with that attitude
verbal pier
but if they ruin it, maybe will be less players
woeful ether
do you bother turtle -> nem 0 lp -> back to turtle
verbal pier
do you bother turtle -> nem 0 lp -> back to turtle
for turtle
LP 1 has higher chance to be LP4
woeful ether
yea but do you bother nemming to try get 1 lp back from 0
atomic vapor
i bother with turtle on perfect daggers only
verbal pier
yea but do you bother nemming to try get 1 lp back from 0
I do
woeful ether
actually didn't know it would have higher chance
atomic vapor
i keep all the good rolled ones
woeful ether
that many towers is a bit steep for solo 😭
atomic vapor
what I do is, turtle all -> gauntlet of strife the 0 lps -> keep good ones -> nemesis -> refill with prophecies/imprint
woeful ether
i think im gonna go back to a few false temples
gotta change up the map every now and then 😭
verbal pier
what I do is, turtle all -> gauntlet of strife the 0 lps -> keep good ones -> ne...
same, I keep 58% 13% + 2
atomic vapor
same, I keep 58% 13% + 2
58+ is what I keep too
atomic vapor
you can literally use those and not farm again, 1dex isn't that big
get double t7 and slam
atomic vapor
you can do something drastic lol
spend all your favor on purple daggers
one should come out
verbal pier
yea i don't have a double t7 yet
pray for nemesis until he gives u double T7 dagger
verbal pier
spend all your favor on purple daggers
or just doing this
woeful ether
big
atomic vapor
there u go
woeful ether
i said it needs 100 to look good lol
woeful ether
im slackin
atomic vapor
sorry foxy...
pale quail
I see you have an empty slot, why not take Synchronized Strike out, it helps you place the shaddow at the right place
atomic vapor
I see you have an empty slot, why not take Synchronized Strike out, it helps you...
I don't play at high corruption, everything dies at 1k, if I decide to push before the season ends I'll care about minmaxing more
what corruption are you at rn 5k?
I can probably push way higher but I definitely won't be immortal with my gear
pale quail
what corruption are you at rn 5k?
I hit 10000 like 2 weeks ago, not gonna push higher this season
atomic vapor
how consistent is it at 10k? can you take a hit
thin quartz
how consistent is it at 10k? can you take a hit
i dont think anyone can take a hit at 10k
pale quail
how consistent is it at 10k? can you take a hit
you can take normal hit but not dot or range attack, double parry/chance to take 0 dmg/silver shroud helps you avoid most of the dmg already
atomic vapor
yeah true, the occasional stray should be covered by damage negation sources
pale quail
I mostly got killed by Void Nemsis xD the spin range is so large
atomic vapor
I hate the fateweaver explosion thing. why is it so bugged
it pulls you back in when you dodge
evade* whatever
pale quail
damn another shaman surpass me
atomic vapor
the blank class goes hard
thin quartz
the blank class goes hard
its probably these two playing.
thin quartz
its probably these two playing.
please tell me you understood my reference 🥺
@atomic vapor
pale quail
my last goal this season, rolled it twice already
atomic vapor
no game no life haha
atomic vapor
my last goal this season, rolled it twice already<:Facepalm:1182373892455678132>
I feel so lucky for hitting 10 dex on mine
Purely unethical