🔪┃rogue

[prisma marlin]

My filters are tight and besides super rare uniques they only show 3LP. I already have a few traitors

I’m using 3LP talons with high rolls

[atomic vapor]

keep in mind, strict multi t7 rules isn't the play

you're better off spamming redemption

don't stockpile them

wasted currency

you might luck out

[prisma marlin]

Yeah I’m still trying to figure out t7 affixes because with havoc and redemption you can easily craft for 1 and 2 LP slams

[atomic vapor]

get a "show all double t7" general rule

at 1k c it's nowhere near a clutter

can confirm

[prisma marlin]

I do show all 2x t7, 3x t6+, and tighter rules on t7&f6

[atomic vapor]

sounds good, I got myself a triple t7 wand and I'm heavily considering being an alt ladle gamer because i got a 4lp ladle

[prisma marlin]

I’m thinking it might be worth to experience with settings rules with multi affixes you want at lower tiers too so you can havoc/redemption

[atomic vapor]

might realize the 4lp triple t7 ladle dream

[prisma marlin]

Forging potential is too low on most exalted to get what you want for 3 and 4 LP slams

[atomic vapor]

that's why imo a general multi purple rule is so good

like if you luck out a t7 cast speed t7 pen + dmg type

you won the game

[prisma marlin]

I’m hoping they add a woven echo that allows you to remove affix from gear. Similar to rune of removal but with no downside of losing forging potential and RNG of losing a exalted affix

[atomic vapor]

personal opinion that will never happen

adding a t1 then hacov

is too strong

[prisma marlin]

That only works for 1 and 2 LP slams though, 3LP and 4LP slams can be hard to find exactly what you want, especially when you need 2 affixes removed and you have forging potential limitations

[atomic vapor]

crafting will always be balanced towards the midgame imo

also on a random note

i think maxroll should remove "requires uniques to shine" from their build downsides

this season that's the biggest upside

more purples = harder to gear

[prisma marlin]

That or make glyph of despair seal t5s and below easier

[atomic vapor]

bases are a nightmare

[graceful hare]

General chat speaks about that Dive Bomb fix nerfed it into ground and it is unplayable... please give me a sum-up Rogue-pros, cause I can't believe that 😄

[atomic vapor]

you'll kill uberroth in a min with 2lp gear, 2+ with 1lp, so yeah very dramatic, how will we recover from this

[graceful hare]

Literally unplayable

[atomic vapor]

we posted vids yesterday

feel free to scroll

[round depot]

just dropped a rr nem or sell on merch XD

[vernal zealot]

Nobody here has 1lp or 2lp gear killing it george you keep saying this

You have double t7 in every slot

[atomic vapor]

dex slam on everything and cdr boots belt is faster than 90% of the classes

I'm not happy about mid season nerf either

but let's not pretend it's not better than anything but timerot

[vernal zealot]

But lets not pretend you have basic 1lp gear too

You have double t7s with the uber relic lol

[atomic vapor]

there's a difference between debating if this should've happened and "should a new player spec this"

[atomic vapor]

not talking about my gear

I'm saying it's one of the fastest 1-uberroth builds even post nerf

telling someone "falc got destroyed" imo is genuine misinformation

and like I said, I do disagree with the mid season changes as well

[round depot]

how do people get so much shroud i nly get like 20

[vernal zealot]

Its the classic mirror tier v non mirror build from poe1

[graceful hare]

I assumed this was a topic, but I also know this is a very active class chat, that's why I was so free to ask for a sum-up. I mean, I already knew what was coming here, as I read the notes and it was clear, that this time it was more then the slap on the wrist as happend in the past - but it also seemed to me that this could not mean it was totally unplayable anymore

[atomic vapor]

if you want my 100% genuine opinion, if you go in with 1lp slams, maybe multi lp peak of the mountain/brew belt which are easy

you can expect a under 3min kill with fight knowledge

and that's my opinion, full disclaimer

[vernal zealot]

The specific version you are playing was also less nerfed than the explosive trap variant

[atomic vapor]

which makes it even easier for a new guy to build. dex and cdr are common stats no?

am I missing something here

[vernal zealot]

They both use dex and cdr but in my binary experience i went from killing uber abby to not being able to get to first harby

[elder condor]

I'm hearing the dive bomb fixed nerfed the skill heavily?

[tough tiger]

Grief, you with a 2lp+ uber gear Erasing Strike VK cant even clear uber aberroth…please dont speak in absolutes

[vernal zealot]

I did take it down eventually on erasing

I didnt make a falconer to do less dmg than it though 🙂

[tough tiger]

Doesnt matter - point is youre complaining and whining. You gotta get good first bro

Listen to ppl who tell you stuff

[tough tiger]

This is 100% facts

[vernal zealot]

I will complain till the superior arpg season starts again, please use the block function if that upsets you 🙂

[tough tiger]

So you’re basically bad and your opinion doesnt matter

Gotcha

Learn to play first, then i dont mind complaints

[atomic vapor]

I don't mind people being more or less heated than me about this, nor do i mind constructive arguments

you have every right to dislike this and/or hate the game

however I'd rather focus on what's infront of me

and if someone disagrees

I'm no content creator

nowhere to unsub from

[vernal zealot]

Learned to play but still dont know how that changes things

[tough tiger]

George i think you have a great attitude and are talking in good faith with someone who isnt here to be constructive

And is just here to constantly complain about nerfs, when its really a huge skill gap

[atomic vapor]

supper appreciated

I like everyone anyway personally

[tough tiger]

Its kinda bad for other ppl reading

[vernal zealot]

When they borked the imprints was that also a skill gap

[atomic vapor]

I made a post in the suggestions about the bugged imprints, yw to give it a read

[tough tiger]

Also - question for your George. The razorfall boots passive says umbral blades “cannot target the same enemies as each other”

Where do the extra blades go for single targets and 200dex?

[atomic vapor]

I laid out my opinion about the initial nerf

[atomic vapor]

blades don't do damage

you scale the bird off them

they stay on the ground

with max cdr

you get 3 layers of umbrals

for giga damage

[tough tiger]

So theres 10 blades on the ground?

Cause visually i dont see that many

[atomic vapor]

whatever your dex procs times three

at which point the first layer disappears

and gets replaced by the fourth

[tough tiger]

Yeah but how, based on the description of the boots it wont send more blades for single target?

It cannot target the same enemy

[atomic vapor]

like I said the featherstorm spreads them around and they stay on the ground

it's the little pinned blades you see

that's why you unspec bladestorm

you want them to stay down

they're a dmg multiplier

it's that one node that says feathers proc umbral blades

[tough tiger]

Twilight strike?

[elder condor]

so does divebomb do significantly less damage now?

[round depot]

XD

[rugged pollen]

the divebonb damage got a hit

but now since the dusk stacking nodes work properly

ýou can just pivot back into umbral blades AA

[vague gorge]

oof up to 30% to not use silver shroud with 3 idols. has anyone tried that ? on top of normal dodging isnt that a recipe for pushing infinitely ?

[round depot]

can anyone send a good build link for max dusk shroud ? like 100 plus

[undone dune]

Only 1 will target the single enemy the rest are thrown randomly

[eternal heron]

is traitor's still the play over talons?

just cant get 200dex without a quiver as I havvve no t7 dex red rinbg

[tough tiger]

Gotcha, thats what i thought too

[south fog]

Could show ur skills?

[opal token]

are falconer builds still op after the update ? also can you recommend all rounder build that can do Uabberoth without gear swaps

[atomic vapor]

I don't remember the node names off the top of my head (stuck at work) but I assume you already looked it up, sorry tough day over here

[atomic vapor]

I suggest looking up Juse's new shroud stacking build, it should be a lot better

[opal token]

can you share the link

[ocean ember]

is it this one https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnDbxR0o?

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,538, Regen: 46.8/s
▸ Mana: 239.51, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 13/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 234 Dex / 26 Int / 26 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 80% / 80% / 91% / 171% / 98% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 508
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2747)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,135)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 16%

Used skills:

Aerial Assault / Dark Quiver / Dive Bomb / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb

[trail pumice]

yes

[undone dune]

I think this is very wip

Wouldn't fully commit just yet

Juse tends to cook quite a bit

Also helm mods make 0 sense

[round depot]

But How Did he Stack up so many ? I have a lot of mana Problems then and Only Like 20 Stack

[round depot]

Thought so too

[ocean ember]

with old build, not changing anything, I got up to 40 shrouds

And I am quite shity built

[undone dune]

I'm not even convinced inheritance remains the best neck with umbrals doing so much

[ocean ember]

nihils with +2 skills

[raw lava]

I love that hes cooking it up its been one of my WIPs i pointed black feather on falcon hit tho dropped smoke bomb for clearing

If you get the falcon hits drop black arrows, just using any bow skill to consume the black arrows will let you stack more which would get you 40+ stacks

[atomic vapor]

I dropped ww ammy as well

My kill speed tanks when I use it

Granted I don't use shroud stacking (yet, we'll see)

I have a 2lp nihilis that I pray I don't brick 🙏

[smoky depot]

how important is this for dmg if ur not close to dex thresholds

if lets say im 205 dex can i remove 5 points from this since the next threshold is 220 anyways?

[prisma marlin]

Personally I wouldn’t remove my passives for dex. I would focus on upgrading better rolls on gear without needing the 5 dex across items.

[smoky depot]

highely doubt im going to hit 220 dex anytime soon, wouldnt it be better to allocate those ecess dex into more dmg

like this for example

[trail pumice]

how much would you list this for, thank you

[round depot]

Dear Lord pls Post with Tier

[trail pumice]

^ 🙂

[charred ember]

so wait I just respecced to umbral blades falconer and now it's been nerfed, is that what I'm reading?

[twin tulip]

this build https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnDbxR0o still works - i am not sure although why it's uneven if it comes to uber abby - like 50/50 if i am going to skip 2nd phase

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,538, Regen: 46.8/s
▸ Mana: 239.51, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 13/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 234 Dex / 26 Int / 26 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 80% / 80% / 91% / 171% / 98% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 508
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2747)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,135)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 16%

Used skills:

Aerial Assault / Dark Quiver / Dive Bomb / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb

[charred ember]

how is it played? just spam everything constantly or is there a strategy?

[small glen]

Managed to drop a red ring with 1LP. MG marked, tho... couldn't sell. Tossed a T7 Dex on it, tho. Looking great for the build

[woeful ether]

why is blood roost good? is it because it has dex? bc the bleed stats aren't really used right?

[full carbon]

Levels to falconry and health per hit from falcon per dex is insane healing

[solid narwhal]

Does anyone know what are scaling tags for Acid flask if = You have Volatile Ice and Explosive Flask? Volatile Ice Converts Poison > Cold and Explosive Flask converts Physical > Fire according tooltip description but game still shows tags for Physical, Cold?

[dull sequoia]

send your character and let the people see what u talking about

also any news on what happened on the build for falconeer what did it change into

[undone dune]

I believe volatile ice converts all of acid flasks damage to cold not just the poison damage so it should convert the fire damage too

I believe the cluster explosions from the cluster bomb node are always fire though and not converted

[mortal tiger]

Yeah I'm gonna guess it works in order of operations too, skill conversion physical>fire (and throwing the 100% damage in) then volatile ice converts that to cold instead, you're right cluster bomb is a separate skill trigger so it'd stay fire

[undone dune]

oh also scaling tags are kind of missleading here. If acid flask still has the physical or fire tag with volatile ice equiped, thats a bug, it will convert all of your generic throwing damgae to cold damage and thus the hit damage it deals will only scale with %cold damage (or %elemental damage) increases but not %phys or %fire

i just noticed you mentioned tags

[mortal tiger]

I wanna try that out later because Im curious about if it'd keep the fire res shred and ignite chance from the nodes after it or if volatile ice converts those properly

[undone dune]

voltaile ice converts all sorts of stuff

it even lets you scale cold res to get cold pen from knowledge immunity

[mortal tiger]

yeah it just says poison chance->frostbite on the tooltip, not sure if the ignite node under the hood is applying to poison chance or if it's separate
I like the idea of trying to build a dual element vial

[solid narwhal]

Thanks for the answers everyone!

[austere atlas]

im as lost as you are man i went from umbral blades to synchronized strike yesterday

[charred ember]

might go ballista falconer then, no or just stop playing rogue

[austere atlas]

i would just wait until someone who is really experienced to give a verdict on which is better

[thick zenith]

Sync strikes still kills UA in a minute. I haven’t tried traps yet, but with changes Terek mentioned you lose like 30% damage but get boat loads of survivability. Probably can still kill UA in like a minute or so

I am waiting on Juse or someone to post Dusk Shroud shenanigans with UB as the primary damage dealer. Could be really good too

[vernal cedar]

How do youguys deal with sync strike dying so quick

Im getting 1 shot by a lot of stuff even in 500 to 600 corruption

[severe siren]

is 6k+ corruption still possible and oneshotting bosses in 3s?

[vernal cedar]

Whats the best uber build now? Is umbral strikes closer to sync strike now for uber as well after the nerf?

[thin quartz]

look at all these lost sheep. LMAO

[vernal cedar]

I mean I just switched over from ES hoping to play this class so meh

lol

of course they would nerf it now

[thin quartz]

i know right. LE specifically targeted you, knowing you gonna switch to rogue so they nerf it.

[vernal cedar]

I was trolling lol

It was a joke

have you heard of them

[thin quartz]

i dont get it. you're allow to joke and im not..? you okay there? now im concerned for you

[inner stone]

any really good rogue builds to try out? i just started a new character

[small meteor]

depends what mastery u want to go

[inner stone]

ubberroth capable with decent clear speed (current character is a void knight so faster than that) is my main goal. im just trying to experience the classes a bit

[small meteor]

then youll want to aim for a falconer build if you want it to be compared to a vk build

[austere atlas]

how does this build work without umbral blades in the usable abilities?

[small meteor]

you can go double dagger lightining marksman for uber farmer. thats what i use, but its not very mistake forgiven type of build

[inner stone]

i know absolutely nothing about the rogue class except heartseeker is new. i heard that there was a build that was fairly easy to gear for and did a lot of damage and was pretty quick, but i have no other details than that. just looking for a build guide/video. i saw a lot of Juse's videos the other day but theyre more showcases i think than guides and i need a bit more hand holding 😄

i can also roam through maxroll/LE tools but i was hoping someone might have a link to something i can level with and then transition into

[vernal cedar]

Im trying to figure out if sync strike still works

[austere atlas]

i swapped to it and it was working very well but i have no reference point

[vernal cedar]

For both uber and echos?

[austere atlas]

just echos. ive only been playing for a week but the sync strike was way more damage than the umbral blades build i had before

[vernal cedar]

Gotcha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwtCjaavMFs LIke this one?

[austere atlas]

there are a lot of damage multipliers you can get with daggers that u cant with bow in skill points and abilities

yeah u used sync strike to spawn shadows and shadow bomb as well and spammed dive bomb aerial and falconry

[small meteor]

just look at youtube for good falconer dive bomb builds. pls dont go heartseeker its dogshit uber farmer

[austere atlas]

what is heartseeker

[inner stone]

"dive bomb" is all i needed, thanks! i'll start to check some out

[austere atlas]

i used a similar one to this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1IdadOuLVc&ab_channel=Juse

[small meteor]

theres a few of them. some builds use sphere as the relic. those are for clearing. try find one without that

[severe siren]

but divebomb got sucked

reroll void knight

[dull cape]

Hello Rogue enjoyers, I come from the Sentinel channel

You got any fun builds I can take into HC?

[charred ember]

divebomb got the bad suck

[small meteor]

that is true actually

[austere atlas]

i dont know if dive bomb is still "good" or whatever but if u wanna try it for the first time, ill write a basic guide so you dont have to sit around trying to figure it out.

the build gets its damage from spawning shadows and the shadows use dive bomb. synchronized strike spawns your shadows (very expensive ability), smoke bomb can be speced to spawn 1 per second. aerial and falconry are spammed and provide damage, utility, and mana restoration per falcon hit due to falconry skill tree "hunter spoils" so you can never worry about mana. if your synch strike is low cooldown, do NOT spam it or you will be sitting there with zero mana. you are using it to spawn shadows, and do extra DPS if you are not low on mana. once you understand all this, its good enough of a starting point: stack DEX and crit multiplier and one shot everything nearby the shadows you spawn with synch strike.

in my experience, this build doesnt even start to get online until you get:

• traitor tongue is required, target farm unique daggers with +2 DEX skills on it. if you find 1, use it in offhand first for +crit chance
• razorfall is really important to buff and reduce CD of aerial assault, 1LP affix prio is reduce cooldown.

[small meteor]

honestly just make a bladedancer build

all u need is a 3lp black blade of chaos with triple t7 and u can farm uber with ease

[thin quartz]

rogue and HC doesnt go in the same sentence.. like, at all.

[pearl forge]

if you want to farm uber go swarmblade

but falconer also farms quite well monos

[proven hill]

Wanted sub 10, but ended up with 10h04 👨‍🍳

SCF Online ofc

[fierce remnant]

anyone play a jelkhor's detonating build this season?

[jagged vale]

I assume you’re going to share a planner or YT video later for this? Would love to know how I can improve after way more than 10 hours 😂

[proven hill]

Yeah, the idea is to also share my theory craft and findings on how to push corruption and gear as fast as possible

[small meteor]

me

[hoary egret]

@calm grotto This is where most rogue players lurk around. Try asking your questions here 👍🏻.
You won't hear from me again. (mostly because I feel uncomfortable around rogue players )

[fair mirage]

Is this new character to uberoth in 10hrs?

[static kestrel]

Something like this should be good enough?: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owwlWP9o
Frostbite stacking HS. For bosses there will be 3LP Gathering Fury with same t7's+t5 Chance to Bleed on Hit.

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (40) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (65)

General:

▸ Health: 2,499, Regen: 43.52/s
▸ Mana: 175.96, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 131%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 126 Dex / 9 Int / 21 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 146% / 100% / 92% / 117% / 92% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 500
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (2872)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,148)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 106%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shift / Puncture / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Shurikens

[small glen]

Levelled up to lvl 100 and Dex stopped exactly at 139 lol
Literally 1 point for Razorfall to give an extra. I really need a second atlaria with dex

[vernal cedar]

What do you do about the random 1 shots in higher corruption on sync strike

Have 166 dex right now

[undone dune]

i stopped pushing around 1200 corruption due to that

not really anything to be done

other than get high lp gear with more health modifiers

but its just what happens to rogues

after like 1500 ish corruption you either 1 shot everything within range of you

or you die

[vernal cedar]

3k health is probably too low for 023 corruption huh

1023*

[undone dune]

i was running 180 dex 3500 hp to 1200

[austere atlas]

whats ur dodge

[undone dune]

uhh

i was running jungle queen so it was pretty high

but you never dodge everything

if i had to guess like 45%?

[vernal cedar]

Is jungle queen the best belt for sync strike

[austere atlas]

i noticed a 10k corruption rogue he focuses on dodge a lot even has blessings, focuses on silver shroud and dusk shroud

[undone dune]

which one?

afaik only blade dancers get away with that

becuase thier silver shroud is reactionary

not passive

the high corruption falconer builds I have seen are actually stun focused

and zhp

[vernal cedar]

Yea Im just dying so much at 1k corruption

[undone dune]

i really wasn't dieing that much though

[vernal cedar]

this is definitely not fun

[undone dune]

just enough that i wasn't pushing well

[austere atlas]

i dont remember but one of them focuses on dodge and another one is like ZHP with 1k hp

[undone dune]

maybe 1/8 echos

if you are dieing a ton its probably a dps issue

and nothing else

[vernal cedar]

I mean I get like 1 shot by any random move from a nemesis

[undone dune]

stuff needs to die quick

[austere atlas]

i put my shadwos down before i spawn him so the dive bomb destroys him while i sit one screen away

[undone dune]

yeah nems arn't exactly a random encounter

you can plan ahead

also the only rippy one for me is the lightning one

all the others give you a ton of warning

lightning guy just hits so fast with 0 windup

at that corruption level

[austere atlas]

yea he just insta casts lmao

[vernal cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0J4ydKo

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (67)

General:

▸ Health: 3,050, Regen: 48.6/s
▸ Mana: 178.49, Regen: 10.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 166 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 115% / 115% / 178% / 98% / 93% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 700
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1310)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,647)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 32%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 20%

Used skills:

Synchronized Strike / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[vernal cedar]

I dont have amazing gear

[austere atlas]

i feel like sync strike isnt very good in monoliths, but great for bosses

[undone dune]

ok so uhh

is your skill bar accurate?

you have smokebomb far left

[vernal cedar]

yea

[undone dune]

do you know what this does

oh you arn't even speecced for smokebomb to give you silver shroud

[vernal cedar]

Im just following juses guide

for sync strike

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOj30ZEQ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 3,510, Regen: 47.8/s
▸ Mana: 213.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 199 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 92% / 92% / 95% / 89% / 92% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 702
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2773)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,831)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Synchronized Strike / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[undone dune]

isn't that a bosskill guide

and not an echo guide though

yeah thats just a planner not really a guide

and you arn't even usign the same blessings

[vernal cedar]

Yea im farming for those now

[austere atlas]

yeah can confirm that sync strike is amazing for stationary targets as u cant rly move ur shadows without casting sync strike again which is rly expensive on mana

[vernal cedar]

using envys

so what do i need to do

I wanted a build that could do both pretty well

both uber and echos

[undone dune]

play voidknight

but uhh

[austere atlas]

i adjusted the build to do both well cuz im lazy i can link it

[vernal cedar]

I have an ES VK but uber still felt like a pain on that

[austere atlas]

im not as far as u but u can try it

[vernal cedar]

Sure link it

[undone dune]

ES VK was a pretty easy kill, timerot VK even easier

but for rogue builds

i prefer umbrals for echos

and then swapping to synch strike when im farming specifically uberoth

nothing else needs it

and once your character level hits 100 you gain skill exp so fast its legit like half of an echo to level a skill from 12->20

12 being minimum'

[vernal cedar]

Could you link your build Kezic?

[austere atlas]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Voidy_McKnightFace/character/Umbral_McBladesFace

because sync strike is too expensive to cast often, which u have to use often against lots of moving mobs, i specced umbral and inflated the fk out of the cold dmg with ucenuis, and for stuff like exalted mages, nemesis, or big bosses you can throw a shroud on them (or 2) and have it spawn 1 shadow a sec and just spam ur other skills from afar, its a little risky but if u kjnow when u can shroud on them and walk away it helps a lot

[undone dune]

i kind of canibalzied my gear

give me a few mins to rebuild it

[austere atlas]

maybe it sucks but i remember being on UB and struggling on bosses and SS and struggling on monos and now im not struggling with anything at all and i wouldnt say i got that much stronger ive been wasting my time switching builds instead

[small glen]

I walk through corruption 1000 like if it was nothing. No dying issues at all.
I use the standard Umbral Blades from Maxroll 🤔

It will probably suck at bossing, but for mapping it's a cakewalk

[undone dune]

yeah

umbral is way better now

and it was for echos before too

[austere atlas]

im sure thers way to spec UB to be strong on bosses now

[undone dune]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOgpZg3B this is what i was running pre-nerf

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (55)

General:

▸ Health: 2,962, Regen: 47.75/s
▸ Mana: 260.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 180 Dex / 21 Int / 21 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 114% / 132% / 114% / 110% / 108% / 91% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 592
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2966)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,621)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Falconry / Smoke Bomb / Synchronized Strike / Aerial Assault / Dive Bomb

[undone dune]

havn't messed with it

based on the changes yet

and then I swap chest for a t7 dex and swap my bloodroost for a dex+throw damage (that has like 1less dex) when doing uber

but I dont hit 180 with my good gloves

[vernal cedar]

I see, and it looks like you are still doing sync strike kezic right?

[austere atlas]

btw my build isnt meant to be super strong on echos its moreso meant to use UB as a crutch for them from 360% cold dmg. i sacrificed sync strike which would insta spawn shadows for UB and shroud spawns the shadows instead overtime, and then my stats focus on cold dmg a bit

[vernal cedar]

I dont see umbral on taht

[vernal cedar]

gotcha

[undone dune]

thats the synch strike version

yes

also this is just standing around in EoT so my dodge is way higher than i thought

[austere atlas]

i really dont see anything other than ZHP or focusing on dodge as viable defense strats later, the tools rogue has to be tanky is some sustain, mobility, and then the shrouds for dodge

[undone dune]

stun is viable defense too

if nothing attacks

it really is

i actually have a stun chance dagger equiped because with umbral blades teh shadow dagger proc stun just about everything

[austere atlas]

ive never seen stun strat, how does it work?

[undone dune]

but then they nerfed (fixed) the stun idols and i swapped off of that meme

[austere atlas]

ah damn

i can see decoy being used over UB and using aerial assault to proc UB, but its sounds like a bandaid solution where u reduce ur dmg to survive because u cant one shot it before dying

[small meteor]

very tanky falconer

[undone dune]

oh and im missing hp because i have the wrong junglequeens because i put the 3lp one with hybrid health on some other toon

but this is close enough

[austere atlas]

is there a belt or item in the game that converts your overheal hp to ward?

[vernal cedar]

Nemesis man

God damn

should I just drop sync strike

i feel like i've spent a ton on gear

but this is just shit

[cobalt mantle]

No. By converting %current health to ward you can use high recovery to build ward, but I don't think rogue has access to this mechanic.

[undone dune]

hey when the passive tree says "when your falcon hits an enemy" does that include shadow falcons?

[undone dune]

i told you the lightning one was rippy

[vernal cedar]

Do I just have low damage

im not sure

feels like its taking way too long to kill stuff

[austere atlas]

theres armors for this and you could in theory purposefully lose lots of HP with nihilis but youd heal it all back up so it wouldnt be that good

[cobalt mantle]

I'm not sure which armors you're talking about, but I mean Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros and the acolyte champ relic.

[undone dune]

theres no real reason other than personal pride to be at 1000 corruption, if you have more fun at like 700 just do that

from the planner you linked you arn't even character level 100 yet

[undone dune]

the armors are generally %of missing health as ward so they dont like it when you heal which is a different mechanic entirely

[austere atlas]

yea i get that. was hoping to find a different ward gaining mechanic

[undone dune]

basically just twisted heart

but that requires spell casts

[austere atlas]

dont think its better than stacking dodge but somepoint before being stacked with 3LP armors and not having enough dodge i want to try it

[undone dune]

or class specific things

i dont think ward is a great defense layer for rogue unless you are bladedancer and get to use that massive DR on low HP node

no int scaling to get ward retention

no str scaling to then use cleaver solution for free int

[austere atlas]

yea it doesnt look very good

[undone dune]

i guess maybe you could cook a coldres scaling heartseeker or flask build and use shackles

[austere atlas]

the amount of resources u have to put just to get ward is not worth it

[undone dune]

it kind of is for bladedancer

ive seen it look good in offline characters but never bothered putting it togeather online

[austere atlas]

i actually dont find the gloves in my build that useful, blood roost feels like sustain and not much damage

im prob going to try shackles for fun and 2x coldsnap in UB tree

[teal matrix]

6.3m umbral damnnnn

[undone dune]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozbYPmEo ok i have a funny idea now that i actually understnad how birds arn't real works, anyone think this might be viable?

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (50)

General:

▸ Health: 3,132, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 138.34, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 175 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 168% / 94% / 104% / 74% / 74% / 79% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 626
▸ Dodge Chance: 58% (2406)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,520)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Dive Bomb / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Synchronized Strike / Umbral Blades

[austere atlas]

i ended up just equipping these for more damage since blood roost i see zero value in (might be wrong) due to how much sustain rogue has and falconry doesnt seem to need the extra skill points or do as much dmg with bleed

[undone dune]

the dex is huge value though

and the healing is kind of nice

[austere atlas]

yeah honestly dex is amazing but mine gave me 2/10 dex lmao

[undone dune]

xdd

[gentle kraken]

guys why does umbral falconer run damage over time idols?

[austere atlas]

link?

the build

[gentle kraken]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/umbral-blades-falconer-guide

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ImTempo/character/ImTempo

and in ladder it's the same thing too idols are mostly damage over time

or am i missing smth here

perhaps the fraitility?

[austere atlas]

that idol is % HP and frailty which are rly high value. i know that, idk about the dot

[gentle kraken]

ahhhh that make ssense

[austere atlas]

the extra upgrades are tied to % endurance

[gentle kraken]

riight thank you buddy

by the way is there smth wrong with my build as im dying at 1k corruption with umbral falconer

;lemme link it

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ryufrost/character/RyuFrostFalcon @austere atlas

by dying i mean squishy as heck but im doing good damage

[austere atlas]

honestly you are more experienced than me but i do see some gear issues which in this game, less damage = less tanky: ur belt bricked the 2nd stat, ucenui's instead of shattered worlds. you could go into bladedancer and -3 skaisynthesis for +3 cloak of shadows since u dont really need more healing, just more ways to reduce dmg instead. i think ur idols are the easiest to improve on

[gentle kraken]

ooo what idols would you recommend

hahaaha im considerably new as I was only trying out beta a lil

[austere atlas]

imo all of ur 1x1 and 1x2 idols are bad

[gentle kraken]

im sure yud know better

OOO

[austere atlas]

ive been playing for a week so probably not but i studied so many builds at this point

[north rampart]

honestly try capping crit avoidance, for me it was all the difference from dying once every 4-5 maps to never dying

[austere atlas]

for specifically rogue lol

[austere atlas]

yes this is helpful theres a 7/7 skill at the end of falconeer for this or you can take a blessing which gives 100%

[gentle kraken]

where i can get it from

[gentle kraken]

oooo ill try do that -3 skaisynthesis

[austere atlas]

ur equipping fire and cold resistance from different idols when u could equip elemental resist and get both and lightning btw

[north rampart]

blessing from reign of dragons instead of all res one, or on gear

[austere atlas]

u have like 3-4 idols that give some sort of resist but the only one u need is fire and theres def better ones i can show examples

[gentle kraken]

on gear hmmm

i'll look wheree i can get it from

[austere atlas]

theres no way that this armor is worse than 3 ward retention right

[gentle kraken]

for my idols

shuold i go hp

or armour?

[austere atlas]

from what ive seen, HP is hugely prioritized in idols, specificially %HP

[north rampart]

hard to fit in but you dont need it for aberroth, so you could just swap,

[austere atlas]

stouts are a great way to fit in %HP

[gentle kraken]

any good umbral build that i can look at?

[austere atlas]

heres a stout (my rolls sucked) that i saw a guy equip a lot of for UB

[gentle kraken]

OOO thank you

[austere atlas]

theres a stat for the top thats % HP and health on kill

[gentle kraken]

imam try to see where i can capout my crit avoidance

[austere atlas]

this one, on the top

[austere atlas]

u can respec blessing in town its the blessing on the very right, u can get 100% crit avoidance

[gentle kraken]

riight but first i gotta spec max out my resistance

i need at least 115% for all resistance right?

[austere atlas]

idk i just stay above 75

also if ur trying to do umbral blades

[north rampart]

for null portent effect yea

[austere atlas]

u should have a bow and quiver equipped, the talons of valor to get +12 skill points across 3 skills and then u dont have to take 9% increased damage from dual wielding a dagger

[gentle kraken]

talonry bow yea?

[austere atlas]

this is definitely going to contribute to being squishy

[gentle kraken]

ooo i see

ifi maya sk why is shattered worlds op

when all i seeis +1 skills and haste

whats so crazy about it if i may ask

[austere atlas]

it gives + crit chance which is applied before increased crit chance, it reduces % damage taken, you can get +10 of all attributes, frenzy gives you attack speed so its buffing how fast you throw umbral blades. it gives u damage and tankiness in very effective ways that multiply ontop of other things instead of more of something

the one u have equipped gives mana, cold and lightning resist, 3 water orbs, and up to 360% cold damage

each stat on shattered worlds has such high impact alone while ucenui's impact is the cold damage

[jaunty mulch]

Why is it that the few umbral falconer builds with the bow has smoke bomb as traversal and not aerial assault?

[thick zenith]

Do you have a planner? That’s nuts

[teal matrix]

still on a process of testing

[thick zenith]

Shroud stacking w/idols?

[uncut notch]

what are nice alternatives for null portent for a rogue heartseeker build

[supple flicker]

Chat are we cooked with falconer

[thick zenith]

I think Tereks version should be ok with a couple tweaks. 30-40% damage loss but gained tank. Haven’t been able to play since the nerfs

[teal matrix]

123 Dusk Shroud - 7.8m Umbral Blades Dam

[atomic vapor]

sup guys, I was busy yesterday, was there any insight from a dev about the shroud stack interaction

I can imagine they consider it very unintended by this point

[thick zenith]

Share share share share

[thick zenith]

Haven’t heard anything, but didn’t watch the dev stream either

[atomic vapor]

I watched the dev stream, it was just lore stuff

Kinda meant in the channels

I seriously doubt this will stick until the end of the season, especially when it's stronger than the dive bomb pre fix

[thick zenith]

I don’t think we have seen any proof it’s stronger via UA kills at least

[teal matrix]

still optimizing

[thick zenith]

Talon or Traitor right now?

[thick zenith]

Going to keep poking for hints 😉

[teal matrix]

traitor 2x

[thick zenith]

Figured talon might pull ahead for shroud stacking

[thick zenith]

Be a legend and share the WIP before you sign off and we can keep optimizing as well

[rugged pollen]

this thing has been in the game since the birth of falconer

if it hasn't gone by now, it's safe to say it will survive until at least the end of this season

[atomic vapor]

To my understanding pre fix you could stack around 50 because dive bomb was bugged

Birds aren't real allocated was preventing shroud generation, it's in the patch notes

It was "possible" because it was half as potent

Juse said you can go over double stacks now if I'm not mistaken

[rugged pollen]

the bug is what made the stacking underperforming compared to what the node stated

what i meant to say is that

the concept of all those dusk stacking nodes are massively overpowered

[atomic vapor]

I don't know. Effortless dodge and glance cap while sitting at a 7 million tooltip is something I'd expect them to not be happy about

[rugged pollen]

and if the devs havent realized that by now

nothing will stop them from not realizing it for another few more seasons

[atomic vapor]

At the end of the day it requires virtually zero gear change outside eof the dusk shroud idols so it's not like it affects any current falconer regearing wise

At the very least you go back to regular dive bomb spam

I just don't wanna use something that might get fixed 2 days later

[rugged pollen]

it wont

[atomic vapor]

(plus, with 2lp gear uberroth goes down in 1 minute with the sync strike build so yeah)

[rugged pollen]

becuase it's not a bug

that's what ehg intended for them to work

[atomic vapor]

I wish I was as optimistic. We'll see

[rugged pollen]

maybe

just maybe

after this season they'll finally realize how bad they was at math and fix it

[atomic vapor]

They already confirmed umbral stacking on the ground with razorfalls will get capped, as well ass the crazy dive bomb cd

Juse said as long as the falcon scaling sits unchanged, we're eating

[rugged pollen]

those are balance changes, not bug

[atomic vapor]

That's why I'm saying, even if should stacking remains as is, cooldowns getting the nerfhammer will put the build to what, b tier?

[rugged pollen]

and if EHG dont swallow their words, there wont be mid-season balance changes

but yeah cannot be 100% sure at this point

[rugged pollen]

depends on the cooldown

[atomic vapor]

I've been keeping an eye out on the channels only to find out that the statement about season 3 falconer was only made on reddit which is so out of character for them

I wish they made more posts about their opinion on balance on discord

[rugged pollen]

they can't

because they have very little idea about the game balance

falconer is the obvious proof

It's the 3rd iteration of balancing

and falconer still by far the most OP class of the game

with multiple flavors of OPness

[atomic vapor]

Second most op now, since timerot onetaps ubby

But yeah falconer pushes the highest corruption with the least effort

[rugged pollen]

onetapping a boss with dedicated setups != most op

[rugged pollen]

👆🏽

[atomic vapor]

That's why I'm saying, there's two metrics. Onetapping bosses and pushing unintended levels of corruption. And to be fair we do have an erasing strike guy at 10k c right?

It's not like vk is struggling to keep up

[rugged pollen]

i'd want to see a video of this

[atomic vapor]

It's in the videos

Just scroll up

Insane gameplay

[rugged pollen]

maybe you link me

"just scroll up" is kinda vague u know

[atomic vapor]

I'm at work and on mobile but it's posted in the content creation channel. It's literally there though it's not like it's hidden

[rugged pollen]

ok let me see

[atomic vapor]

#🎥┃video-shoutout message

[thick zenith]

Granted this guys gear is absurd

[atomic vapor]

Which is also the case for both juse and that asian guy that both pushed 10k with falc

[thick zenith]

But yeah timerot should be a more efficient UA killer at this point regardless

[rugged pollen]

welp

it's more for his dedication to push rather than the build

he literally tickles 10k shades

playing zhp

[atomic vapor]

Of course bleed falc does more single target

But a zhp timerot setup would delete 10k shades no?

Unless I'm missing something

[thick zenith]

Juse said he is done cooking until 1.3. Still want to see a proper UB shroud stacking build. Could also just be better for echo clear than straight bossing setups

[atomic vapor]

I honestly don't care all that much because any further minmaxing yields little loot/hour

[rugged pollen]

I can assure you shroud stacking UB will shred boss like nothing

[tacit mist]

if they did kill the build I would legit drop the game in an instant until the next season

[rugged pollen]

i spent my entire 1.0 playing time optimizing my UB bladedancer so i know this

and falconer is just straight up better in anyway

[atomic vapor]

Imo the general consensus rn is this: falc right now even post nerfs blasts everything with 4 different build variants, so any complaining should be targeted at changes overall and not "falc nerf". I cannot believe the people that come on this channel and go "so falc dead now?"

However I have low hopes it'll stay competitive season 3

[rugged pollen]

you didnt play before this season did you

😁

[thick zenith]

Planner for an addict?? Eh?

[rugged pollen]

falconer = ehg's favorite child

[atomic vapor]

I played since before exalts and multiplayer was added

I have the multiplayer when back piece

[tacit mist]

also why would it be dead ? I quite literally dented uber abby's forehead yesterday even after the changes lol

[rugged pollen]

and you still think falconer will not be competitive in the next season

that's omega level of believing in EHG bro

[atomic vapor]

Did you see what they announced? They were very liberal with leaving interactions uncapped and plan to add more hard caps to them in the future, while also specifically mentioning razorfalls

[atomic vapor]

Bro you should've been here yesterday. So many people

[rugged pollen]

they were the same when talking about "builds reaching 10k corruption kind of power"

and see what we have now

more of those

[atomic vapor]

Wish I was as positive as you are for season 3 lol

[rugged pollen]

oh so u're afraid things will get gutted in season 3

?

kidna like poe2 0.2 kinda of changes?

🤔

[tacit mist]

I quite honestly believe that in just about every patch we'll get to see new broken builds because that's literally the nature of these games

[atomic vapor]

Depends what in particular you're referring to. Yes I do expect falc nuking, but I expect someone to come up with some build that breaks season 3 anyway

[rugged pollen]

yeah. But it's not the nature of these games, for classes to be OP in one season, then to be more OP in the next season, and then to be OP again in the next of next season

while the devs annoucing before each seasons that they will get nerfed

[tacit mist]

No, no. I mean it like a game of whackamole.
One class or one build gets found out and is giga OP, gets nerfed once the season ends and players find a new one that replaces it next season.
Rince and repeat

[rugged pollen]

except nothing need to be found here

falconer is OP in season 1

season 2

and guess what

season 3

well there are new OP things in this season 3 now

but i think you get my point now

or maybe i'm wrong

and all these new OPness is just the new standard

that was intended in the first place

who knows

[tacit mist]

I believe Falconer to be quite gear dependent and the pieces while not Red Ring tier of rare, are still quite hard to get, especially considering how many things need to roll well.
So I don't think it deserves to be nuked from orbit. More like cap the most egregious interactions and leave it be

But regardless, we'll see what EHG does when the next season starts

[rugged pollen]

i'm not saying anythign deserves anything

my point is that EHG has not following their statements on balancing

[tacit mist]

Ah, okay

I see

[rugged pollen]

what they announce they would (try) to achieve each seasons

and what actually happened afterward

is completely different

and that's very concerning to me

if they said "we're gonna ignore falconer, keep it as the most op class in the game and focus on something else"

then ok

but if they said "we think falconer is the most op class in the game by far margin, so we will nerf it and buff other class to bring the gap closer"

and then proceed to buff falconer

i'm confused af

[atomic vapor]

That's also a point I wanted to make

Some classes are left in the dust

[flint turret]

They butchered the only viable corr climbing hit build on mm in this season(trap da) for no reason really, except to remove the competition to hs

[atomic vapor]

And ik acolyte will see rework

Another thing I dislike is the amount of time it'll take them to fix snapshotting because as it stands, direct comparison is near impossible when the current power level relies on an unintended gear swapping mechanic. Removing snapshotting would require minion builds to see an insane buff for basically every single minion in the game

[trail pumice]

I like my beastmaster but I refuse to do snapshotting, this is why I restart my rogue class, I have more fun with it tbh

But I'm still really learning this game considering I've played since beta and things still surprise me tbh

[spare folio]

how useful is the volcano champion affix for a fire heartseeker build?

[atomic vapor]

With flat crit slam and peak of the mountain you're crit capped no?

Passing up on a unique belt seems bad

[spare folio]

honestly not sure if i can survive without regular leech

[atomic vapor]

Marksman has a lot of health on hit iirc

[spare folio]

its like 10 health per hit in heartseeker and 15 health on crit from a passive iirc

[atomic vapor]

Heartseeker + dragon fire is a crazy amount of hits per second, you should be fine

Don't pass on peak imo

[spare folio]

guess i will try to get a helm first, thanks

how do i see my exact recurve chance btw?

[tacit mist]

didn't CEO say on one of their streams that it's not "unintended" but rather just "it's a thing" ?

[atomic vapor]

It's a thing they're ok with for people to be using but also unintended and therefore high on their priority list to fix

That said they haven't even started 😭

So it probably won't be here for season 3

[rugged pollen]

snapshot probably rooted too fking deep in the code

fixing it might equal recoding the whole game

hence why they're so hesistant

[atomic vapor]

Doesn't it excite you to see how many things break when the snapshot fix patch drops?

[teal matrix]

Reached 9m UB damage = 127 dusk

[atomic vapor]

It'll be glorious

I agree it's so deeply rooted to the code that I bet the game will be a mess for a week afterwards

[thick zenith]

You know what I am going to ask….

[teal matrix]

Just searched me in lastepochtools

account name: chadilao
char name: chadi

it can be improved more,, really easy clearing UB and good fast farming mobs in echo,, very tanky also

[lapis eagle]

If I ever get a 3 or 4 LP reign of winter i know what im slamming

[uncut notch]

damn

[lapis eagle]

Man.

[uncut notch]

me likey

[tacit mist]

literally yesterday

[uncut notch]

I already have a good exalt for that

[uncut notch]

slam that with this

[tacit mist]

where is the pen?

[uncut notch]

pen for what

me like attack speed

🤤

[tacit mist]

i see

[uncut notch]

but pen is good fo sure

but I like attack speed more

[thick zenith]

Looks great so far!!

[uncut notch]

wait penetration doesnt roll on bows

[tacit mist]

it does

[thick zenith]

Would single target just be UB as well? Wondering if chest w/T7 Dive Bomb could let you max out on wings of shadow

[tacit mist]

as a suffix

[uncut notch]

it doesnt

[tacit mist]

it does

[uncut notch]

ah the one with minion

didnt see that

[teal matrix]

yes,, i have failed slam on my chest, should be t7 dex & t7 dive, but wing on shadow is good at level 3 because we dont have SS on the build.. we cant even reach the +5 shadow without it

[thick zenith]

Even T6 would be good enough for DB

[trail pumice]

Thank you Chad for this build, I'll be checking this out after my old man nap

[teal matrix]

yeah,, t6 would suffice, but for that additional minion damage on t7 is spicy

[thick zenith]

Have you thought about what you would swap for UA if anything?

[teal matrix]

nothing,, but for faster run, just changed the UB to SS.. and take out 2 pts on flock of crows, and max out lvl "On wings of shadow" lvl5

or just use another traitor,, so you dont need to take off any skill pts on dive

[thick zenith]

I think this is what I would do for QOL.

I have been away from pc for days. Haven’t been able to test anything. Going to try ur setup w/talon (minus dagger nodes) as well to compare

[undone dune]

you dont need 5 points in "on wings of shadow" unless you actually have 5 max shadows which is super tricky becuase the champion affix from gloves doesn't stack with the extra one from synch strike

[lapis eagle]

I didnt want to make a ballista build but ok...

[thick zenith]

So even with the champion affix it wouldn’t work?

[undone dune]

with the champion affix it wold work sometimes

if you spawn 4 shadows then ssynch strike you would get to 5

if you synch strike then smokebomb you would cap at 4

because synch strike can spawn above your normal shadows but other stuff still cant

its super scuffed because the synch strike node that makes it spawn 4 shadows at once has fine print saying "ignores all your other sources of +maximum shadows" so it just assumes your cap is 3 always

[thick zenith]

Oh that’s scuffed as hell

[undone dune]

and "on wings of shadow" has very large bold text stating the number of shadow falcons spawned can not exceed the number of shadows you currently have

i would just stick with points in it

[thick zenith]

Seems like too much micro management

[teal matrix]

SS can produce additional 2 shadows, that can give you +5 max shadows. Specifically the "Dark Allies" and "Retreat Shadow" node.

[undone dune]

i can't make the skill itself make more than 4 by spamming it

oh maybe if you give it a 6 second cd

but then you lose uptime on foreshadowing

and lose even more uptime on exposed weakness

which are both important

[teal matrix]

Well you can produce a +5, with a cooldown yes. But thats all you need to get UB down on his knees anyway. Just try to time it

[undone dune]

but you will have like 25% crit multi instead of 100% transfered to the bird

because you cant spam it

its an interesting point though I didn't realize retreat to shadow spawned the extra

[teal matrix]

Hmn you can test it your self. You will get a very fast time clearing uber if you time it right..

[undone dune]

my killtime already is fast though

i just only use 4 shadow falcons and 1 extra point in CDR

[teal matrix]

Yeah but imagine an additioanal +1 shadow,. But yeah either way works, consistent and not consistent.

[undone dune]

im not sure +1 shadow is better than 3 extra expose weakness procs

thats a lot of crit multi

[atomic vapor]

I've tested this extensively. It's still better with 5 max shadows. The way it seems to work is, every newly created shadow attacks immediately, replacing the oldest one. For myself personally I've seen a huge difference between 4 and 5 shadow falcons regardless of shadow cap

I had a 58 second kill with 5 shadows 5 aviary

[undone dune]

post nerf/

[atomic vapor]

Yes

[undone dune]

ok

fairly sure i was still killing around that time

but it could also be a gear thing

[atomic vapor]

Keep in mind my gear is mid tier compared to some monsters in this chat

[undone dune]

because i actually use crit multi on my weapons

[atomic vapor]

I'm sitting at I think 186 rn

[undone dune]

and on my inheritance

[atomic vapor]

Dex*

For context I've got pen and flat on both daggers, I swapped to nihilis over inheritance (I have a double t7 inheritance) for the +2 skills, and I'm missing dex on boots

Might very with gear but it's also visually different

Way more divebombs

Vary*

[undone dune]

and then running a crit multi inheritance of hte erased too

so i have 500% multi to transfer

and TBH i think with unspecced umbral blades a dagger with crit multi+phys pen+t7minion melee would hit harder

i just dont hav one

[atomic vapor]

You got crazy unlucky with the implicit too

arpgs in a nutshell I guess

[undone dune]

yeah

i should consider rerolling that one

i have a few failed slams

[atomic vapor]

I wouldn't reroll if you don't have enough 3lps slammed or not

If you roll +1

I'd cry myself to sleep

[undone dune]

ehh

3lp traitor's isn't that hard to get

and like I said I think t7 flat phys is not worth it

[atomic vapor]

Moreso being stuck with +1 for a moment

[undone dune]

if you arn't using the shadow dagger proc

[atomic vapor]

Plus

Now every +to dive bomb giga matters

(sadly)

[undone dune]

ehh

its kind of fine

with 25 points

[atomic vapor]

I love how I was talking yesterday about t7 dex t7 dive bomb on chest as a "meme"

And now it seems to be the meta

😭

[undone dune]

i wouldn't do that

personally

[atomic vapor]

It's the best for shroud stacking it seems like

Plus don't forget it comes with hybrid minion dmg

[undone dune]

shroud stacking does not care about minion damage

they are scaling umbral blades damage not minion damage

[atomic vapor]

Doesn't it take the node with transfer stats? I need to look a the tree again

[undone dune]

yes you take the nodes because you have free points

but ive seen screenshots with like 5mill + umbral tooltips

due to shrouds

you just dont care about the other stuff at that point

[atomic vapor]

Is there even anything for a second slam other than health

T7 vit 💀

[undone dune]

throwing physical damage? 💀

[atomic vapor]

I can't wait to get home and grind I've got triple t7 for imprints in basically every slot, I should be able to push really far with some good rng before season 3

[undone dune]

can just test stuff ofline

[thick zenith]

Wouldn’t you still want minion damage for DB on single target?

[undone dune]

there isn't something that has enough life to need that

untll you hit like 3k corruption

[thick zenith]

UA?

[undone dune]

its like a 25 second kill

and thats becuase of harb spawns

umbrals go brr

[thick zenith]

I haven’t seen pure umbrals do a 25 second kill

[undone dune]

i did one offline in about that

maybe closer to 35 seconds

but i cant be asked to farm everything again at this point in the season

and speedkilling ubberoth is such a pain for the build because if he moves out of the smokebomb you have to reset basically

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I think t7 health should be better for fast mapping to avoid stray offscreen snipes by fateweavers or cursed champs

(I hate that stupid ice dog)

[thick zenith]

Do you have a planner? Would love to see what you cooked up for a 35 second kill. I have been away from PC for days and dying to get into game

[undone dune]

i dont have one made right now tbh

no easy way to upload offline characters to LET

😭

[atomic vapor]

You just take the shroud stacking node in divebomb and spec umbrals, the rest is largely the same. Take a look at chadilaos planner, should give a good idea what you can do with a perfect chest/boots

The premise is the same

The rest is minmaxing

[thick zenith]

Yeah yeah well said. Don’t think it’s that complicated

[undone dune]

#🔪┃rogue message

[atomic vapor]

It's what I expected it would be, but for some reason I assumed AA was vastly different

[thick zenith]

Click shroud nodes. Smash

[undone dune]

do whatever that guy is cooking

my damage never got that high

[atomic vapor]

Offline with giga boots and peak of the mountain

You should see 9m

[undone dune]

what peak mod do you need

[atomic vapor]

Double t7 dex shadows I think

[undone dune]

shadows for an umbral build?

that doesn't seem right

[atomic vapor]

If there's no other good mod for the left side affixes might as well buff dive bomb as well

[undone dune]

if your trying to max the tooltip its probably damage with a bow equiped

that at least appies to divebomb 50%

[atomic vapor]

You can pay me to go talons

And I still wouldn't

[undone dune]

well if you want to get the highest possible tooltip

you might

but not play the buld

just like make the tooltip

[thick zenith]

I dropped a 4LP talon before i left for this trip so would love to use it

[atomic vapor]

Good+skills?

[thick zenith]

1/3/4

[undone dune]

thats fine

just means you need a +3 blood roost

[thick zenith]

Yeah I got that

[atomic vapor]

I've got maxrolled 2lp blood roosts, both implicit and slams

Won't be replacing it anytime soon

[undone dune]

-1 AA hurts but its not a gamechanger

[atomic vapor]

Imo what hurts is the quiver

Unless im the only unlucky person here

The fact that you have to hunt for a base as well ages me faster

[thick zenith]

My bad. The 3 is DB. 4 is AA. I think. This is off memory

[undone dune]

oh i might have had it backwards

[atomic vapor]

Either way it's gonna be a moment before I consider switching, I don't have the idols

And I'm sure I won't fall into depression killing ubby in 1min with sync strike

[undone dune]

I farmed those idols when i was playing HS

[atomic vapor]

Lucky

[undone dune]

and then had to farm new ones to swap to daggers 💀

getting those stupid multistrike enchants takes so long

[atomic vapor]

Something I didn't do this season

Is make loot filter rules for possible good idols for the future because

I assumed ehg won't touch anything

Little did I know

[undone dune]

I kind of knew something was bugged, but i didn't know if EHG would fix it mid season because I thought it would take a partial rework of the scaling

didn't realize it was such an easy fix

relatively

[atomic vapor]

Honestly I feel dumb about it personally because

I kept telling myself why's that featherstorm duration so long

I didn't spec duration at all

[thick zenith]

Yeah was wondering about shadow damage on helm as well for pure umbrals…is it worth it?

[atomic vapor]

Didn't realize what procced it

[atomic vapor]

I'm not at home so I can't look at every single class affix but what else is there on the helm for damage

[undone dune]

one of the "pure umbral" builds i saw had throwing damage while dual wielding on helm + a bow equiped

i think people are just using the helm they have

[atomic vapor]

You don't spec SD so phys pen with SD is out

Throwing dmg while dual is % right

[undone dune]

no

its flat physical throwing damage while dual wielding

[atomic vapor]

Very interesting

[undone dune]

%increased throwing damage exists and is unconditional

[atomic vapor]

That's the one I had in mind

[undone dune]

and then theres also %increased damage while wielding a bow

or while wielding a dagger

which are both probably better than %increased throwing damage as they partially apply to falcon due to conversion in falconry tree

[atomic vapor]

Can they freaking fix the character sheet already to reflect actual values so that we don't have to pull spreadsheets to calculate simple things holy

[thick zenith]

Don’t you have infinite increased with the idols?

[atomic vapor]

So annoying

[undone dune]

are you not using flat throwing idols?

i figured it was these

[thick zenith]

8% increased per dusk shroud

[undone dune]

ohh

yeah that makes sense

now thats an idol i dont have

thats a 3x1?

[atomic vapor]

That's the one I was referring to earlier as well

[thick zenith]

4x1

[atomic vapor]

Figured you knew what I meant lol

[thick zenith]

That’s 1600% increased at 100 stacks

Any other % feels like a drop in bucket

[undone dune]

eww 4x1

[atomic vapor]

Now it makes sense why you didn't see 7+ mill offline

You were missing the bread and butter

😭

[undone dune]

that would be addative with the %in the umbral tree though

that does hte same hting

explains why i was 5mil not 7mil

but its hardly bread and buttter

[atomic vapor]

Idk, 2 mill off 8 slots?

Pretty giga to me

[undone dune]

you basically get the same scaling from the tree

and flat throwing damage is also very good

[atomic vapor]

It does correspond to 4 flat idols you're not wrong

But yeah this is all napkin math

[undone dune]

2 idols (with prefect rolls) is the same as the base scaling from the tree

its obviously the best choice

but i dont think its by as much as you might think

[thick zenith]

Throwing phys flat might be the play on the helm

[undone dune]

if you are dual wielding

and not using talons

[atomic vapor]

These next few days I'm gonna get off my ass and farm that 4lp peak and stop being lazy, and I'll add the idols to my filter, when I finish with my character I'll test both

[undone dune]

just test offline

[atomic vapor]

(hope I get a good chest to replace my null portent too)

[undone dune]

dont waste 4lp peak drops on testing

[thick zenith]

Why replace?

[atomic vapor]

I got t6 dex 😭

[thick zenith]

Ack

[atomic vapor]

And I bet I can farm a 3lp core of the mountain way way faster

I play in a 3man party

Titan drops loot for all 3 per key

Stonks

[undone dune]

3lp core??

surely you mean peak

[atomic vapor]

I wanna try the chest for the 10 all stats

[undone dune]

3lp core is like 1/15k

[atomic vapor]

1/7k for cof and we've got 2k keys combined

Let me dream

[undone dune]

is that how CoF works?

i thought it only doubled the 1st lp

[atomic vapor]

The 8th rank effectively cuts the lp chances check the website thingy

What's the name

The non ads one

[undone dune]

tunklab?

[atomic vapor]

Yes

And it's obviously a pray it happens thing, at the very least I wanna slap a double t7 on a core before I get a decent null portent

[undone dune]

still says 1/7000

[atomic vapor]

Yeah that's what I said

[undone dune]

even with 4 people thats 1800 keys to have a 50% chance

statistically

[atomic vapor]

If we sit down and expend all the keys

I will turtle everything else

It won't happen but I do plan to kill all my portal charms

So who knows

[undone dune]

hope you bring pizza or something

sonds like a lot of super booring grinding

[atomic vapor]

Is 3lp portent faster with repeated uber kills, I didn't check the 3lp odds

[undone dune]

BTW i never did that dungeon with 2+ people can you kill hte boss twice as fast with 2 people each burning one arm?

[atomic vapor]

I have about 500 maps

[atomic vapor]

Yes !

[undone dune]

interesting

[atomic vapor]

Don't do lightless solo ever

It's crazy crazy slow

[undone dune]

i mean its not ccrazy

its not like its a hard boss

[supple flicker]

So how is falconer after the patch

[atomic vapor]

The stupid burning thing

[undone dune]

fine

[atomic vapor]

Takes twice the time 😭

[undone dune]

but swarmblade is the new meme they serpetn strike popped ubberoth in 7 seconds

so now falconer isn't OP anymore

ignore everything you hear contrary to that

[thick zenith]

Could you explain this Kezic?

[atomic vapor]

7second uberroth and horrid map clear is a meme

Just play time rot

[undone dune]

falconry converts 50% of your global damage to minion damage

so global damage mods (liike damage while wielding x) convert to minion damage

and apply

[thick zenith]

Is that different than daggers?

[undone dune]

you would need while wielidng a dagger with daggers

its a %increased mod not a flat damage mod

[atomic vapor]

Side note

[thick zenith]

Oh I see it now. That was in reference to the shadow mod on helm, not bow correct?

[atomic vapor]

I saw the swarmblade guy talk to Mike in dev chat, asking about the giga multiplier on frotsbite+poison combined

Did Mike respond to that

[undone dune]

yeah for the helm mod, trying to get highest posible tooltip for umbral

not highest overal dps

[thick zenith]

Makes sense. Thanks

[undone dune]

do you mean like in the dev podcast?

or w/e they do on friday

[atomic vapor]

No in the ask the devs channel

It's ok I'll scroll after work

[tacit mist]

also isn't "increased damage of skills used by shadows" better than both "increased physical throwing damage" and "increased damage while wielding daggers" ?

on the helmet slot

[thick zenith]

How important Lethal Darkness to DPS? That will have to get dropped with Talon

[thick zenith]

Depends

[chilly thorn]

where can i find a planner for the falconer build that smokes ubby

[tacit mist]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ShaggyTheGWNE/character/Heartseeker

[chilly thorn]

thanks

[tacit mist]

I do wonder if there's a way to kill it even faster tho

[thick zenith]

We are discussing that.

[tacit mist]

as Falconer

specifically

[tacit mist]

that's why I'm asking
just now read up the mssgs until now

[atomic vapor]

I can confirm sync with good gear is a under 1 min kill. If you want a kill of a few seconds, you might wanna spec to umbrals (I don't have the idols yet personally)

[thick zenith]

For pure UB you get giga increased already from the idols so not sure that more increased on the helm matters. And it’s shadow as well which doesn’t make sense. For SS it’s probably the best

[atomic vapor]

For sync strike it is the best because of shadow falcons

Or any other non umbral blades variant

Unless trap got culled

Did it

[chilly thorn]

which idols are those

[undone dune]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message this is the only thing i could find from mike relating to that build in the past 3 days

[thick zenith]

Terek said 30-40 damage loss. Made a video with a few tweaks. He kept traps

[thick zenith]

8% inc umbral damage per shroud

[thick zenith]

And a bunch of flat throwing + pen

[chilly thorn]

sweet, thanks for your help gamers

[thick zenith]

Can’t wait to play and mess around with stuff. With 100+ shrouds you probably don’t even need swaps for UA and Mapping

[atomic vapor]

Man why can't I find it

It's not that one

[tough viper]

I just wanted to post here to say.. I wanted to cry when this happened... 1 more shot and I gotta farm another 3LP helmet... fml T_T I just needed the dmg when whielding a bow... it was 1 out of 3 chance nooooooooooooo

[atomic vapor]

Someone was like serpent strike poison + frostbite multiplicative +120000% something something modifier

[undone dune]

well i was searching for stuff mike responded too

not general messages

[atomic vapor]

No yeah dw you're good

I wish I remembered the exact wording

[small glen]

Man... I lost so many...but SO MANY lp3 peaks to finally craft something useable. Still not perfect, gonna have to spend some more gold and luck, but...

The weird 4° stat always enter the pit. So annoying

[tough viper]

T_T

[thick zenith]

How important Lethal Darkness to DPS? That will have to get dropped with Talon @atomic vapor @undone dune

For a pure umbral build primarily

[undone dune]

is that the shadow daggers node?

[thick zenith]

Yeah

[undone dune]

once you are scaling the umbral damage with dusk shroud its not really relevant

its nice for sure but not gamechanging

its kind of funny ailments in general scale with points in the tree of the node that triggers them, but Idont think dusk shrowd damage from the umbral tree applies to shadow daggers

[thick zenith]

If it did I think shadow daggers would be pretty mandatory

[undone dune]

i never understand if shadow daggers or spark charge are an ailment or a subskill

they are kind of both

[thick zenith]

In a vacuum would you go daggers or bow for UB damage? I know it’s gear dependent but if you had to pick

[undone dune]

im also not sure if conditional damage in a skill tree applies to ailments ever

[ivory sentinel]

you can farm 4lp helmet, then its not random to slam, 4lp sounds scary but peak is actually very self farmable, hour or two at worst with portal charms.

[undone dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tough viper]

really?

[undone dune]

yeah 4lp peak is not that rare

[ivory sentinel]

yep, I farmed 2 so far and it was boring but not long

also if somehow you get bored so much you cant keep going turtle all the 1-3 LP you got

[eager mason]

I got 3 of them while farming for 2lp core

[undone dune]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/lp-chance?u=peak_of_the_mountain&cof=true

[tough viper]

i only have 2 LPs now and that 1 ruined 3 LP @_@

[undone dune]

i have found many 4lp peaks just doing echos with the dungeon minions node from the weaver tree

[atomic vapor]

I dropped like like 10 3lps into the turtle

Guess what happened

[ivory sentinel]

farm the dungeon itself. should have plenty portal charms by now.