🔪┃rogue

[eternal phoenix]

welcome to LE

OH Uber Abe is a echo node?

[tight harbor]

Its more fun bricking shit in this game compared to ..

[eternal phoenix]

well thats new indeed

we literally can have a echo node that has Boss on it xD

[flint turret]

meanwhile i ended yesterday with lvl ~45

[open comet]

so if puncture gets procced by heartseeker its with all passives from the tree ?

just to make that clear ?

[eternal phoenix]

Olio built differently xD

[stark folio]

hello ,can anyone tell me if any of the supporter packs have any mtx for bows?

[eternal phoenix]

yes, all the skill node you have on puncture will have the same effect on HS Puncture

[open comet]

nice so i can reskill it after using it to level up

[eternal phoenix]

yes, many skill has skill sync with each other

[wide yacht]

were you able to take a look at the planner btw?

and did y'all figure out how to drop consistnetly the new idols?

i'm guessing we go for weaver's tree to spawn more tombs

🤔

i'm not even playing with it man

[flint turret]

Soon
New idols drop a lot in weaver zones tbh. Way more than I expected. I had more than 10 of weaver idols yesterday, and only a couple of regular idols bigger than 2 slots

And not a single large one

[eternal phoenix]

GIMME

[wide yacht]

damn, so just grind them until you get 'em

[vapid arrow]

uber aberroth is tanky af

jeez

[eternal phoenix]

and here have Olio on Uber Abe already

[wide yacht]

LOL

[flint turret]

Yeah but droprate for them seems very high, or I was just lucky so far. I did 2 weaver zones only

[vapid arrow]

actually respectable estimates for hc

[wide yacht]

just gotta go for this tbh

and get your idols game online

[vapid arrow]

the thing won't even frop down to 75%, time for some upgrades I suppose

[white trench]

Hey, assume Falconer is still strong this season? xD

[woven onyx]

what am i missing with my rogue? how come i cant duel wield? i thought that would be a thing

[wide yacht]

yeah the nerfs were so small it doesn't even matter

[scenic otter]

Passive point in rogue base passive tree.

[woven onyx]

ah i see now

thanks

[white trench]

its been long since last time played LE. nice to hear 🙂

[wide yacht]

keep in mind you'll take more damage, but then again as long as you keep moving with that node you have -20% to compensate

[vapid arrow]

we balling

[wide yacht]

falconer is still by far the best specialization regardless, although heartseeker seems nuts

[little temple]

crazy slam for Heartseeker, only cost 5 Havoc

[white trench]

watching this but have the old build still saved on my list

[woven onyx]

while im here, my plan was to go with blade dancer net build in self found. is this dated at this point and could there be a better option im unaware of? been away from the game for a while

[rich pendant]

hey gamers, when hovering a skill how do you make it so the info window persists? for example i'd like to hover over recurve here.

[white trench]

Heartseeker is

the new MM meta u mean

[flint turret]

Do havoc drop everywhere? Or just weaver zones?

[tight harbor]

I looked at the clock. Thought to myself "oh its only 3:32am I can play till 4am". Its almost 5am now

[next pumice]

Hello, I'm not sure I understand this node in the translation tree.
A mob suffering from a bleeding stack would suffer physical penetration per bleeding stack or only for the proc of the arrow fired after my dash ?

[silent spade]

i think it means if monster has a bleed u get this much pen

[wide yacht]

5 havocs?? so it's not as rare as creation i reckon?

[scenic otter]

No, bleed applies by this effect have extra pen.

[white trench]

so now its 50-50 played mostly Falconer and Marksman once so let it be MM again then 😄

[silent spade]

nvm then i was wrong

[little temple]

random it seems

havoc is surprisingly rare too, i'm guessing the rate is 2 ascendance to 1 havoc, this is including the runesmith box that give you free ascendance

[next pumice]

OK so cause the previous node is this one
Does this mean that it's really only my single heartseeker shot (after dash) that procs one bleed and get an armor pen bonus on a this single bleed stack? That's pretty weak, isn't it?

[silent spade]

this seems nice with bow that gives u a chance to repeat your attack, no ? Cant remember its name

[little temple]

gathering fury ?

gathering fury gives 12% max roll

[scenic otter]

Yes. So use it on something stronger, like Hail of Arrows.

[next pumice]

Yes we are agree , Thx for helps guys ❤️

[silent spade]

so with idols you can go up to 20 sth

seems nice when you are using a skill that u can spam i think

[little temple]

its not very good

a 1 slot idol can roll increased damage and 3% penetration any type

[open comet]

LMAAAOOOOO i love heartseeker so much

[white trench]

@wide yachtBtw thanks mate for the Heartseeker call out seems thats the build going to play.

[little temple]

no dusk shroud ?

[open comet]

nope

[little temple]

dusk shroud node is really strong, you can get 10 on average at 2+ attack speed

im honestly thinking of switching over to heartseeker, bladedancer having to sit on the enemy face to deal damage is so ass

[open comet]

i know but tbh i dont really need it atm maybe later on higher corruption for harpbringers

[little temple]

they buffed monster pretty hard, im currently at 200, 2500 hp, 50% dodge 50% armor and i get 1 tapped constantly

[open comet]

i wanna switch to cold dmg anyways

sooo i need reign of winter first to cook

[elder condor]

Guys how is the umbral blade build? I remememr doing this build when it first came out and it was busted asf

Anyone been doing it

And it used synchronized strike I think

[little temple]

im playing it rn

it's good but due to monster buff you get 1 tapped alot

im thinking about switching over to to heartseeker

stuck at 200 corruption atm

[elder condor]

Ahh dang. What did they buff about monsters

[little temple]

more hp more damage

also alot of weaver monster has new abilities that just 1 shots you

fixed immediately if you're range though

[elder condor]

Why does range always win 😭 how is paladian are they tanky? Saw they had some s tier builds

[sly token]

Shadow daggers got nerfed I assume?

[little temple]

that's just how it goes with melee rogue, you have chance to dodge and perfection which gives you exceptional defense against one hit, if you get it it goes away

[sly token]

man like 2 hours in already quit primalist and swapped to rogue 😭

rogue is too satisfying to play

[rancid prism]

hello, is there a way i can change the direction of dancing strikes while i hold down the skill? it feels a bit cluncky to always hit to the front if my mouse it pointing somewhere else

[scenic otter]

No change.

[sly token]

really?

[scenic otter]

Really.

[scenic otter]

Where you're moving towards.

[sly token]

interesting lol

[elder condor]

Ohhh yeah shadow daggers lmao. Wasn’t that the brain dead busted setup that killed everything instantly

[scenic otter]

Still will.

[elder condor]

I use to run that

[sly token]

It apparently got a slight nerf a few patches ago but

People assumed itd get another one

this patch

[little temple]

it was mega nerfed, almost dead

then they gave it a node in the tree that gives 50% more damage to rares and bosses

then it's good again

[sly token]

50% is crazy lol

what was the initial nerf

I wasnt playing then

[little temple]

450% added dps to 340%

[sly token]

oh wow lol

[little temple]

spinning umbral apply much less shadow daggers

[silent spade]

not as crazy as jelkhor nerfs smh

[sly token]

does the 50% node scale with the bonuses or is it essentially 390% now

[little temple]

jelkhor got shot, then later on they dug up the corpse and shot it again

[scenic otter]

Spinning getting nerf was... not that big comapred to the damage nerf.

[scenic otter]

340% x 1.5

[elder condor]

Wait have you done falconer umbral blades or no?

[sly token]

Okay so its better then wow

[little temple]

no just bladedance

[sly token]

Is it still the best way to apply it or no

[little temple]

i do cascade

[little temple]

explode umbral is the way now, especially falconer

[scenic otter]

Not really, explosions is the better method.

[little temple]

for bladedancer you go into cascade now

H

[sly token]

How much better is falconer compared to the cascade 😭

[elder condor]

Is that what you’re doing even tho you said you got stuck on 200 corruption?

[sly token]

Is it just shift to bring out hte umbral or how does the falconer build work

[scenic otter]

Ridiculous.

[little temple]

im doing cascade bladedancer

[elder condor]

Ohh

[little temple]

cascade BD requires you to sit on the enemy's face to do damage

so i get 1 tapped alot

[silent spade]

always wamted to try bladedancer but lvling melee ughh glad they added respec

[sly token]

easy to league start? Might run it do you have a build link?

[scenic otter]

Do you want to poop up 20 UBs in a single button?
Razorfall is your friend.

[sly token]

was that always a thing?

[little temple]

they gutted razorfall pretty hard no ?

[scenic otter]

Not really? 33% less at worst.

[scenic otter]

1.1 new unique.

[little temple]

heartseeker cold can stack these babies , insane

[sly token]

Does the build work in early monos without the boots until you get them?

[scenic otter]

It's slower, but it'll basically be SD.

[elder condor]

I’m looking at all s tier ones for rogue and man I use to LOVE umbral blades and now I’m seeing falconer is one of the best for bossing, speeding and high end corruption?

[little temple]

yes but afte 1.2 idk for sure

falconer got nerfed 20-30 every other spot

either damage, items they use or the skill itself

[elder condor]

Ohh are these maxroll tier list not updated for 1.2?

[little temple]

falconer is still strong, it was busted before, 1.2 gave them heavy nerfs

we're not even passed day 1 of launch yet, no one can tell

the first person to be 99 is a falconer still

[vapid arrow]

I feel like I have to swap build, I couldn't do enough damage even with perfect gear to even get past uAberroth's first of 5 wardbars

[elder condor]

I keep seeing all these build guides out, have people already played this patch already?

[little temple]

what build ?

cause the only dubious one is falconer cause they got mega nerfed, everyone else kinda meh

only trap build this cycle is multishot, it was weak before, no change this time

[elder condor]

This judgment paladian one

[little temple]

idk paladin i only play bladedancer and marksman

[elder condor]

With 1.2 can’t we craft set items now onto gear which is huge?

[little temple]

set crafting is build specific, it's not something you can just slap in

1lp uniques are crazy rn, set can't really compete

[elder condor]

Did that get buffed in any way?

[little temple]

you can guarantee 1 stat when you slam an item

so if you have a 1lp item, buy a t7 exalt and that mod is guaranteed

[elder condor]

Huh I forgot how it worked before.. I remember it felt so good creating a legendary item but it was a lot of work

[little temple]

like this

used to be a 1/4, now it's guaranteed

[sly token]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shadow-daggers-falconer-guide
Is this guide fine to follow intitially, like points etc?

[scenic otter]

Ye

[cursive inlet]

okay okay good info for when i should start my swap

[elder condor]

Ohh that’s huge. Ohh wait would it take a random mod?

[sly token]

ty

[little temple]

i swap during normal mono

[sly token]

man im stressing about committing to a build but forget they added respec for masteries

[tender dew]

did any1 run shurikens before the game got updated today? the ethereal blades passive letting it 100% pierce enemies does not seem to work anymore

[somber mango]

anyone playing storm crows, how slow is the build? its in b tier on maxroll, i like the concept but wondering how slow it feels

(b tier for speed farming, s on bosses and endgame)

[half nova]

storm crows rogue??

[scenic otter]

Wrong channel?

[somber mango]

oh sry i thought it was falconer lmao

sry

[bold brook]

is it just me or is brewmaster's buckle stupidly good

[half nova]

it's good but lower lp rates

[open comet]

daaaamn got lucky with this one

[eternal phoenix]

NOICE

Season 2 is all about the idol gaming now xD

[cursive inlet]

gif

[keen birch]

On HS I think class idols are bad actually.

No need itol. I have nothing to enchant.

[open comet]

ok after weavers will got used

HOLY SHIT HAHAHAH

thats actually realllllyyy good

[cursive inlet]

salt you playing HS in emps rn?

[open comet]

emps ?

[cursive inlet]

empowereds

[open comet]

not atm im currently rushing through normal monoltihs

didnt unlock empowered

[cursive inlet]

is heartseeker blasting

[open comet]

it is

let me show you

[half nova]

is there any not awful flurry bow build?

[scenic otter]

You’ll need flurry to not be awful.

[keen birch]

Hs Fux

[half nova]

so far from what i've experienced barely leveled hs with the 60% min recurve chance was enough to outdo flurry

[open comet]

i hope this shows HS well

[cursive inlet]

pretty decent yeah

what bow you using?

[open comet]

trash

[cursive inlet]

i think heartseeker really needs 1 of the bows that casts stuff

[scenic otter]

Technically even puncutre can outdo flurry

[cursive inlet]

and then a relic that also casts stuff

[open comet]

my whole equipment is trash

[eternal phoenix]

so good to watch

[scenic otter]

Depends on setup honestly, have decent success with bleed hs so far

[half nova]

puncture always outdid flurry xd, just by existence of pierce (this is considering hit based, because if it was dot it would be even further in the dumpster at least last patch)

[open comet]

thats my HS tree atm but im testing around

thats my puncture

still unsure if i wanna go poison or cold or going for the ignite build from dread

[half nova]

whichever drops the higher lp quiver/bow first

[open comet]

since puncture can inflict poision too its worth a try

im hoping i can get my hands on any of these uniques fast

[cursive inlet]

im sitting on a bunch of 1 lp uniques for the build just need good enough exalteds

[topaz schooner]

if anyone was wondering, weaver echo does indeed double the double from COF, it doesnt just add to the total double chance lolol

[open comet]

weaver echo + tombs is SOOO GOOD

[half nova]

but which direction does the copies of the copies face?

[near grove]

How do you sustain HP with peak of the mountain helmet? I'm thinking if it's worth using it, but the idea of no leech sounds really bad ngl

[scenic otter]

Stuff that say “health gain”

[meager elm]

i am sure this has been asked a million times before, but i will ask again:
What is actually meant by "your damage modifiers" ?
I assume Increased and More damage. But what about Added flat damage? Would ballista inherit the added damage from e.g. mourning frost? Would Using a stronger bow with more flat damage cause ballista to have more damage?

[scenic otter]

Any damage stats iirc.

[meager elm]

so, flat damage as well?

allrighty, thanks

i assume attack speed is not included in those

[scenic otter]

Attack speed isn’t damage

[cursive inlet]

HMMMMM i have a 3 lp kestrel

[flat hull]

quick question guys.. whats this

[vale solar]

man what are these mobs in empowered

i legit 1 shot everything in normal

geting hit with 10k necro dmg hits

[scenic otter]

Welcome to empowered!

[meager elm]

...i was about to say that and stopped myself because i thought it was kinda mean x3

[wide yacht]

buckle up, this is the border where they'll stat-check your defensives

[scenic otter]

Everyone needs to learn the lesson of empowered-

[vale solar]

i kinda went with the route of maxin all ress, should i focus somth else

[meager elm]

let me spitball some rough numbers out (that might or might not be accurate).
For empowered monos you wanna try to max out your resistances (...or at least close to), around 2k life, multiple layers of defense (less damage taken, dodge, glacing blow, armor, mix and match until you stop dying).
Also you basically NEED either 100% less bonus damage taken from critical hits, or 100% critical strike avoidance

empowered monos get you with crits.

[vale solar]

i see

thanks gonna try to switch up some stuff

my idols are p much all dmg

but i dont lack that

[wide yacht]

res alone is not enough as the person above me said, you need other layers and protect yourself from crit

nothing will save you from that 10k necro damage hit that crits on you and you just blow up

[open comet]

guess i gotta go poison or bleed now ?

[cursive inlet]

thats frostbite or ignite

[open comet]

Very good already planned on one of those I forgot to read the elemental

[near grove]

Well, yeah, but if I, say, lose 1.5k HP (since on rogue our defenses are pretty bad, so hits are big), then health gain won't really help, I don't think there are ways to get back that much HP with just health gain?

[open comet]

Prob ignite because of the 16% fire DMG on top ?

[cursive inlet]

eh only 16 wouldn't stress it

[vocal furnace]

guys, CoF or MG?

[prisma spade]

if you want to trade go mg
if like playing solo with increased drops go cof

[meager elm]

you would be surprised how much health on hit some builds can get.
e.g. many multishot builds run giant slayer + health gain on hit, and regain half their health per multishot volley fired.

[vocal furnace]

MG then 🙂

wait, trade between players or to npc?

[prisma spade]

auction house

[meager elm]

basically, MG allows you access to an auction house where you can trade for gold. CoF gives you ways to target-farm stuff on your own.

it's less about what's better, and more about what playstyle you prefer.

[main oracle]

How are we doing, new ability any good

[cursive inlet]

ayo

[open comet]

16% is 16%
now i need dragonsong bow

[cursive inlet]

make sure you imprint it!

[open comet]

ooooh

[next gale]

is it me or heartseeker is crazy op lolll

[scenic otter]

We got dodge, armour, glancing blow…

[scenic otter]

It’s closer to “pretty good” than OP tbh

[next gale]

yeah will see

[vapid arrow]

after 3 hours of the definition of insanity with uAberroth I'm throwing the towel

[near grove]

With RoW and puncture triggers it's really fun to clear with HS

[vapid arrow]

I see no reason why the requirements are as low as 500 corruption, but the fight demands so much

Oh well, build diff I suppose

I'm heading to bed

[next gale]

500 corrup is for uber aberroth

[near grove]

How much of a "stat check" the fight is?

[scenic otter]

o7

[vapid arrow]

ward drops down 15 times slower than in regular aberroth

just seems wrong

[scenic otter]

That’s just a requirement to REACH it.

Abberoth is a 300c requirement but fights like 500c

[vocal gust]

Anyone can share a good Marksman leveling build?

[cursive inlet]

farsight turtle is so BAIT bro

mfer keeps zeroing all my items

[vapid arrow]

Regular aberroth dies in 2 minutes, while I I get the 1st of 5 wards down in 2,5 minutes on uber aberroth

[flint turret]

first time finished the story with puncture bleed umbrals, ngl sd felt better all the previous times

[rugged pollen]

He's an uber for a reason no?

[vapid arrow]

I was expecting something closer to a PoE uber to normal comparison, so like ~3x as tanky

but was obviously wrong at this point then

[copper hollow]

They did say like 1 guy beat it at their office which could mean nothing but yeh

[buoyant rain]

what is shadow daggers?

[copper hollow]

But no way you have a min max build already

Which is what they are probably going for with him

[scenic otter]

Certain skills can apply shadow daggers, which at 4 stacks will proc a 100% crit chance hit. It is rogue’s genericallly strongest mechanic.

[vapid arrow]

here's my current setup https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5WqaM6A

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (18) / Marksman (2) / Falconer (63)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Used skills:

• Dive Bomb (21)
• Net (21)
• Falconry (26)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Aerial Assault (20)

Used unique items:

• Doublet of Onos Tull
• Blood Roost
• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Pearls of the Swine
• Valdyr's Chalice

[rugged pollen]

i'd take uberroth being hard as good sign of them not underselling the powerceiling of builds in the game anymore

no more "we balance around 300 corruption" bs

[buoyant rain]

aha thanks

[rugged pollen]

thankfully you havent beat him 1st day @vapid arrow

[rugged pollen]

that would be a slap to their face lol

[vapid arrow]

That's true

[cursive inlet]

🤨

oh right thats ignite chance

[rugged pollen]

"we expected one player outside of 1000 beating abberoth to be able to beat uberroth"

[half nova]

Wasn't there something that guaranteed hitting an affix?

[copper hollow]

Yeh but assuming you’re going heartseeker fire why you not going attack speed crit chance

[rugged pollen]

-> proceed to get beaten day 1, on the most OP class of the game which was supposed to be nerfed hard

[copper hollow]

Why ignite

[scenic otter]

That’s legendary crafting, only at T2 or higher dungeon runs.

[rugged pollen]

that would be funny

[copper hollow]

Which he should be able to do with that build already

[half nova]

I assume that was from a Nemesis

[lapis juniper]

ye

[scenic otter]

Hey that could be egg moment

[lapis juniper]

this was random

[copper hollow]

Can nemesis give tou t6 mods?

[lapis juniper]

nemesis

xd

[copper hollow]

Ah I see

[half nova]

Nem can give t7 fractures lol (locked affix)

[vapid arrow]

I'd just want to know how long did it take for the in-house person to beat it so I could know if my damage numbers are ok or if I should swap my build xd

[open comet]

ok we going ignite

[drifting ridge]

Does anyone know where to get a Brewmaster's Buckle?

[scenic otter]

Specific reward from a specific woven echo.

[gusty fox]

Where change specialization?

[eternal phoenix]

share your experience on fire daggers

[open comet]

gonna do once i cooked something half useable

haha

[eternal phoenix]

still thinking if i should go full Recurve (all possible recurve chance skill node at max) or Frostbyte

coz i don't have proper gear for frostbyte yet lol

[gusty fox]

@eternal phoenix u know where change spec?

[open comet]

you dont need all recurve tbh

[chrome wren]

Dunno what I should spec into, only really have a mournefrost

[scenic otter]

Brain npc

[eternal phoenix]

passive spec? the Human Brain icon NPC

LOL

[open comet]

thats an insane node

haha

[chrome wren]

50% at 100

[eternal phoenix]

yeah that is good and all, but how about MORE RECURVE!

ALL THE RECURVE IN THE WORLD!!!

[open comet]

actually dont need

[eternal phoenix]

IMAGINE. 1 HS recurve on a single enemy 100 TIMES!!

MWUAHAHAHAHA

cough* Anyways, need to test myself eventually

[copper hollow]

I mean more recurves with dragon song is really good. Just don’t need any of the item affixes other then +skills

[eternal phoenix]

there is a idol and helmet with affixes on recurve chance too. Might worth considering

[copper hollow]

Helmet isnt worth. Since you want the crit helm

Think you only take 1-2 of the idols

Late game

[arctic wolf]

Any recommendation for a good loot filter?

[gusty fox]

But i want change falconer on marksman bro!

[scenic otter]

That should allow you to.

[near grove]

You either got 2 idols, or 1 idol and 2x2 uniq idol for damage, sadly can't fit both
Idols recurve mode give generic dmg buff, so they're good

I wonder if people already made Dragonsong vs RoW calcs/comparisons

[copper hollow]

Oh yeh forgot there are smaller ones that are one shorter that look exactly the same

[eternal phoenix]

i see. Need to get those first. Might need to check how much Recurve we actually need. and others will be dmg affixes

[nova osprey]

hello guys if i upgrade my puncture will it also affect the puncture by heartseeker ?

[scenic otter]

Yes

[nova osprey]

noice

so its basically a 1 button build then kek

[serene crane]

You actually dont want too much recurve on your recurve stuff because recurve when recurve recurving curve recurved recure cure recured recuring recurve curved the recurved curving recurve

See what Im talking about?

[eternal phoenix]

yo @serene crane finally online lol

[serene crane]

Yoho

[eternal phoenix]

yes yes, i understood that (didn't understood that)

[near grove]

Recurve is a bit weird since chance divides by exponent for successive hits, so there's strong diminishing return
Guess gonna do calc later to see how the formula goes and how recurve translates to dps

[serene crane]

Someone has done that before here with excel calcs, but I dont remeber who 😄

[near grove]

I'd prefer python and make a plot myself lol, it's 5 mins to do anyway

[eternal phoenix]

Can't wait for the data

[open comet]

@eternal phoenixim having mana problems since i went for fire daggers lmao

might going for frostbite

[eternal phoenix]

problem found already lol

thinking that same, frostbite might be the endgame

[open comet]

im having reign of winter and troaks teeth just need to hit lvl 70 for the bow then i can try it

[eternal phoenix]

darn, you got those already in a fresh start? wow

[open comet]

the troaks got LP1 from empower so i can slam T7 cold or frostbite

also got these

more movement speed

these shows alone have 50% movementspeed

[eternal phoenix]

SPEED!

[open comet]

without the shoes

with shoes

[copper hollow]

Aren’t red rings like uber rare

[serene crane]

Yeah

[copper hollow]

Why does it not have that in the aspirational section

[topaz flicker]

o/ new rogue player here. falconer is fun. what kind of builds do you guys run?

[serene crane]

The what? 😄

[copper hollow]

Typically aspirational is where they put the things that you can’t focus farm easily there

[serene crane]

Ah, absolutely dont look at that tbh, you'll be super lucky to even see one Red Ring, and Red Ring with 1LP... yeah, no 😄 1LP Ravenous Void is also very hard to get unless you spend long time spamming Envy glpyhs on Gaspar Harbringer

[copper hollow]

Yeh I know it’s why it was annoying me. Looked at both and said these are literally chase items that i won’t see

[serene crane]

First Red Ring Ive dropped was after 800h, so hopefully others will be luckier 😄

[open comet]

@eternal phoenix cold def feels WAY better

[serene crane]

You can just use Nomad rings, should be fairly easy to get with LP or Phantom If you need more crit chance

[open comet]

so troaks teeth convert all of poison chance and bleed to frostbite

putting points here would give me higher frostbite chance then

but scalebane would do nothing ?

[serene crane]

Well it would pretty much be 20% chance to apply frostbite instead of poison 😄

also the Bleeding Fury stacks would get converted with Troaka

[nova osprey]

are there uniques for puncture or for flurry and heartseeker ? also if i wanna find those is there a site ?

[serene crane]

type in 'puncture' or whatever you'd be looking for
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/

[nova osprey]

thank you sir

damn the unique for heartseeker sucks for my heartseeker puncture build .

[open comet]

thats how i have my puncture now

[serene crane]

You dont really need them tbh 😄

[nova osprey]

yea hopefully theres one for flurry

there is nice

[serene crane]

I'd go this tbh 😄 Rapid Strikes feels great, 'more' damage for Puncture doesnt do that much If you want to do DoT build, Efficacious Toxin so the DoT does more damage

[open comet]

does rapid strike even do something when triggered by HS ?

[stuck wedge]

throwing attack damage wouldnt increase the damage of a poison applied by that attack right?

[open comet]

and effi toxin does scale with frostbite ?

[serene crane]

No, but you get Bleeding Fury stacks faster

yeah it just increase the damage they take from DoT

[lapis juniper]

Bleeding fury is when you use puncture directly no

Or is that what u guys are talking about

I'm assuming recurve puncture

[serene crane]

Yeah you just press Puncture yourself once or few times, get 3 Bleeding Fury stacks, Effi Toxin on enemy and then use whatever other skill you'd be playing with

[open comet]

i dont even press it

because i spam puncture with HS

[lapis juniper]

Bleeding fury says when you use yourself i believe

Or does proccing it happen to work

[nova osprey]

man they should really fix this kind

[minor heart]

Is Sanguine Obssession not working? I have it and I still see poison stacks on enemies.

[open comet]

dont even need to press puncture tbh haha thats why i want it to be as supportive as possible dont even need to do dmg just spreading the debuffs

[lapis juniper]

I thought it was a different icon?

[serene crane]

Yes thats why you arent getting Bleeding Fury stacks so you'd do more Frostbite on bosses 😄

[lapis juniper]

Are u sure you're looking at the right buff

Yea u arent getting bleeding fury

[jaunty glen]

What filter do yall recommend for Rogue levelling

leaning Umbral Blades or some falconer build in endgame

but might go blade dancer or Marksman still

[lapis juniper]

Wait also tho

[serene crane]

The red eye is Frenzy, Bleeding Fury would be that red mouth from Puncture skill tree iirc

[lapis juniper]

Nvm

Actually yea wait

Does proccing more than 1 bleed in 1 hit gove u multiple stacks

Wait nvm I'm thinking of the wrong thing

I'm brain dead

[serene crane]

If you have 50% chance to apply something, its just 50:50...
100% always applies 1 stacks
150% applies one and 50:50 another stack
200% applies 2 stacks

[eternal heron]

re: red ring talk from earlier, i've had a lot of success ascending red rings in past cycles

[lapis juniper]

I was thinking of doing poison heartseeker + puncture

This should be stronger than regular bleed chance to poison chance

I think

You can get a lot of armor shred chance

[gusty fox]

My heartseeker is weak :

i changed 200k dmg umbral daggers on 5k heartseeker hahahah

[open comet]

but do you even need bleedy fury ? its just more bleed chance and you stacking tons of frostbite anyways

[scenic otter]

But poison has much less base damage

[gilded flicker]

I just can't understand how Aerial Assault + Storm of Horizon works. The tooltip says it is no longer traversal, but the bird keeps summoning to where I move instead of where I target the cast, so If I move after casting it misses it's mark entirely.

[serene crane]

It gets converted to Frostbite 😄

[open comet]

but for mapping i dont need it just for bossing

[serene crane]

Its normal monolith, everything dies just by you looking at it 😄

[gilded topaz]

2 kris or one mace/hammer ?

[open comet]

OK OOOOOK reign of winter with HS is way tooooo much fun

my screen is full of icicles and punctures

[broken marten]

I just got this, I guess is good? (T4+T6)

[nova osprey]

damn why does it feel like its better to use heartseeker as boss killing rather than for mob killing

[open comet]

huh ? do you have puncture proc ? because im deleting waves in milliseconds

[nova osprey]

no i mean

like my heartseeker does more than my flurry for bosses

[open comet]

yeah

you dont need other skills then HS

it can do both

[nova osprey]

how many heartseeker can i have at one time ?

[scenic otter]

No hard cap

[nova osprey]

noice

OP OP

[eternal phoenix]

Hawk Rule-uh (and spam on that thang)

[eternal phoenix]

but does your HS have the puncture skill node? or just the recurve chance still?

[nova osprey]

yes have puncture

[gleaming pilot]

are you guys doing bleed hs ?

[eternal phoenix]

Frostbite HS it is.

[nova osprey]

im doing just physical hs

with a bunch of dex so i can have more recurve

[gilded topaz]

is it expected for arial assult to suck when first unlociking it ?

[eternal phoenix]

it is quite good as a standalone skill

[gilded topaz]

feels like its doing 0 damage

[eternal phoenix]

gets better with a few skill node, especially Ambush and Slayer of Big prey

u can even sync it with Umbral blade if u want

[eternal phoenix]

you might be joking, when i was doing shadow dive bomb falconer. Aerial aerial is doing 2nd hard hitting skill i have.... 1st being dive bomb

[gilded topaz]

I am not, I dont have dive bomb yet, just leveling and playing falcon for the first time

[eternal phoenix]

well are you doing shadow dive bomb falconer? ballista falconer? maybe dual blade Umbral Blades Falconer

falconer has quite a few popular build

[gilded topaz]

umbra, currently dual dagger but not sure if its perm, with dive bomb and arial assult

[floral latch]

I'm genuinly impressed with heartseeker

[floral latch]

I'm doing bleed and i find it so good vs bosses

[nova osprey]

same theo ne who designed this is very nice

[gilded topaz]

man I just lots a ton of lizard loot by portal to town to empty my inv

[eternal phoenix]

need 2nd inventory or like bag or like PET Storage

[gilded topaz]

or dont reset drops on portal

[floral latch]

I still don't get how the recurves actually work, but it's just fun seeing them bounce on the same target

Using multishot for clearing which is working out so well

And heartseeker for elites/bosses

[errant cloud]

have they changed something with hte combat or rogue abilities since last season? its crazy how fast and smooth leveling as a rogue is with shift, umbral blades and falconer., I dont remember it being so zoomy and smooth like this

[eternal phoenix]

its always been zoomy for rogue

[floral latch]

The game as a whole feels a lot more fluid than before really

[eternal phoenix]

true

[floral latch]

There's not the same delay on abilities it felt like last season, if that makes sense

[errant cloud]

yeah mayb e its just the game in general but it feels alot better than i remember it

[floral latch]

No i agree, the game just feels better

[eternal phoenix]

i like the simple changes in the game like Exile mage actually voice now

Some stages got shorter for some reason

and the obvious visual changes like the portals xD

besides how smoother it feels, i used to experience lag spike when clicking on the Neme shrine

or sudden stuter when i TAB for map, not anymore

[odd wadi]

ye the tab lagg was horrible before

[gilded topaz]

ok yeah arial assult is much better now lol

[eternal phoenix]

a few skill node spec and doing better eh? xD

[gilded topaz]

oh hell yeah they do, feels like I dont need umbra anymore

[jaunty glen]

Is there any way to make my bird less annoying with all the screeches lol

[buoyant rain]

this one seems not so good?

i have like 20% dodge

[eternal phoenix]

RESPEC To Marksman

[jaunty glen]

lmfao

that's rough

I like having a cool bird too smh

[floral latch]

Turn your audio off

[open comet]

@eternal phoenix yeah cold dmg with reign of winter feels WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better

[odd wadi]

damm you low dmg

i do 10-15k hits at lvl 52

[open comet]

show

😴

[odd wadi]

2 sec

[open comet]

2 sec over

🤷‍♂️

[copper hollow]

red ring at home

[scenic otter]

[serene crane]

oops didnt mean to post all my red rings, my bad

[grim fox]

Lvl 30 Falconer reading a guide on Ballistas, does my bow weapon dmg matter very little for scaling damage? I mouse over the skills and there is no estimatad dps numbers

[scenic otter]

Ballista is a minion so…

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 80

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (30) / Marksman (63)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Bow, Melee, Throwing, DoT

Used skills:

• Puncture (20)
• Hail of Arrows (20)
• Shift (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Dark Quiver (20)

Used unique items:

• Woven Flesh
• Sanguine Hoard
• Blood of the Exile
• Bleeding Heart

[fathom pagoda]

Can anyone recommend me a bladedancer loot filter? please

Im playing dancing strike

lvl 65 rn

[scenic otter]

Poopoo hp and endu

You're playing health so yes. It's up to 60% dr when you're low life. Extends your eHP against one shots and DoTs.

[open comet]

im still waiting

[cold sphinx]

How does Heartseeker feel around level 50 if anyone switched to it early? The maxroll guide suggests waiting until level 70 and I am wondering if its good at earlier or if waiting is best.

[graceful ferry]

Can someone help me figure out which mods I want on my build so I can make a filter or at least learn to make one?

[bright python]

Think I found a catch-all early game 'so you wanna res cap?' wew

43 potential left 👀

[bright python]

What are you playing

[cerulean snow]

Hey there!
can someone here explain to me how Ravager's Dart works?
i am on 61 flat throwing gamage, 40 dex and 122% inc throwing damage but equipping this helmet reduces my heartseeker damage

[graceful ferry]

I dont know if its a real build but can I just slide the info in dm or something

[cerulean snow]

228 heartseeker tooltip dps 😦

[wild ocean]

Are there any crazy leveling uniques for falconer? I somehow have 3x acendency runes before level 30

[cerulean snow]

what am i missing here?

[gilded valley]

any bee builds out there

[worn tree]

marksman or falconer

[scenic otter]

Tooltip DPS sucks, and helm limits it to only one active HS.

[cerulean snow]

i'm cool with one active HS for now until i find some useful bows

but it's dealing 500 actual hit damage tops

the one thing i am not understanding is how my damage gets lowered with the helm, even though i have quite a lot of throwing damage stacked rn which HS should scale off now

[scenic otter]

You might not have lost the passive powers from your passive tree that made bow hs betteer?

[noble vale]

u need to unspecc ur bow dmg

Cause its getting wasted

With that helm

as it removes "bow" tag

This helm is a supporting helm for shadow daggers autobomber

[cerulean snow]

so it's safe to assume the throwing damage scaling from HS is close to 0?

[noble vale]

No?

Are you using bow with that helmet?

[cerulean snow]

then how am i losing so much HS damage by equipping it?

[noble vale]

Are you using bow with that helmet?

[cerulean snow]

no

daggers
122% inc throwing damage, 61 flat throwing damage and 40 dex which should add another 24 throwing damage to HS through the helmet

[scenic otter]

Well, the daggers don't do much apart from giving it crit.

[cerulean snow]

and the throwing damage i am stacking?

[scenic otter]

20 base+ 85 = 105, x 122% inc is 220+-

[graceful ferry]

Does anyone have a filter for a build that uses this unique?

[cerulean snow]

lmfao so base damage is the problem here

[gaunt wren]

is the play falc in capaign then go back to marksman? I've heard respec is expensive

[scenic otter]

HS at it's core is a spam skill, so only having one kinda makes it not so good.

[bright python]

It almost always will be. Base damage matters at the start of your damage calc. % damage only happens last. You want your initial number to be high before you start multiplying it in 99% of cases.

[cerulean snow]

well the throwing damage scaling seems to be very very low then too.
116% inc bow damage and a whipping 1 flat bow damage gives me rougly 35% more HS tooltip dps

[noble vale]

Heartseeker bleed kinda poo poo

[cerulean snow]

anyways thanks for helping me out

[daring yew]

wow

[tight harbor]

okay i'm no longer crafting with sleepy eyes

I just got +25% elemental res and I was gonna try to seal it, but I used a removal glyph By accident

[daring yew]

tragedy

[silent spade]

Anyone else noticed that HS has problems with targetting exiled mages?

[tight harbor]

Only had that issue with enemies around it

mic drop

[worn tree]

cant decide on falconer or marksman

[open comet]

Don't have to decide you can switch masteries later

So start with what you want

[tender oasis]

so, how do I actually go about farming Black Blade of Chaos? do I need to get to empowered monoliths and then farm it after?

[scenic otter]

yes, since harbingers are empowered only.

[serene crane]

@flint turret no flat, but pretty neat for Nemesis... 😄 t7 crit multi, t3 %crit chance

[scenic otter]

Which means you also need to clear the forgotten knight's questline.

Ewwwwwwwww

[quaint hill]

how does this node work in terms of scaling? after taking it, my shadow cascade lacks the melee tag, but the tooltip dps still increases when i get more flat melee damage

[lapis juniper]

You can get so much poison chance

On heartseeker

Armor shred is like 3x values everywhere

[scenic otter]

Most likely because of SD.

[quaint hill]

i thought shadow dagger is a "separate" skill since basically every skill i have can apply it

[fathom pagoda]

Hello, can anyone recommend me a loot filter for bladedancer? i'm playing dancing strike, shadow cascade, shuriken, umbral blades and smoke bomb

im kinda new to LE so i do not have any idea of what to loot

[solid cliff]

Hey can u help pls? I lf a heartseeker loot filter for monoliths?

[scenic otter]

You tell me I don't trust tooltip dps

[serene crane]

[noble vale]

Anyone else playing bleedseeker and feeling like dmg is kinda ass?

[pulsar copper]

how limited is bladedancers build variety?

[scenic otter]

Mostly Shadows related.

Two meta builds iircs, Lethal Mirage and Cascade.

[scenic otter]

I play it with HoA and it works decently.

[foggy otter]

anyone playing lighnting chakram bladedancer?

[noble vale]

What corruption are you at?

[open comet]

i need a 2LP+ reign of winter asap

[open comet]

go cold dmg
go with puncture and the cold dmg quiver and zoom

[solid cargo]

if i wanna farm LP for a unique by imprinting it on the tree does it have to be high LP or does it not matter?

[noble vale]

So frostbite scaling?

Its much better than bleed?

[scenic otter]

Base Empowered.

(But yeah Reign of Winter probably scales better if you got the stuff)

[pulsar copper]

dont rlly need meta, but been liking cascade alot so thats a nice bonus

[open comet]

for now it feels way better but im having a sloppy reign of winter and already proccing icicle like its nothing

still missing frostbite shackles but they are very expensive atm

my reign of winter is ass it has +49 phys

[noble vale]

No frostmourne?

[serene crane]

I saw that Keyen, you cant hide!

[open comet]

didnt drop any

[open comet]

also these boots are speed atm

[noble vale]

Im using these

A bit more speed

[open comet]

2% more haha

[noble vale]

yeah but 12 dex

[open comet]

but yeah frostbite is VERY solid for me

[oak magnet]

Is Rogue still Synchronized Strike with Shadow Blades?

[noble vale]

Might spec into it when I get new quiver

Do you just go damage over time

or flat too

[serene crane]

You could try Ascendance runes if you got any 🤔

[open comet]

both i deal good dmg with HS + the frostbite

im still unsure if i wanna go mourningfrost or snowdrift

[oak magnet]

Is Multishot Marksman still bad?

[open comet]

snowdrifts scale better with frostbite i think

[tight harbor]

mmm... more movement speed mm...

Chat i'm new to the game, is this sword good?? (i'm asking cuz i'm bleed spam rn)

[serene crane]

It doesnt really do anything to bleed directly... like you get attack speed, so more attacks=more bleed stacks and +1 to a skill so you get get some useful node for the bleed (or something else needed)... othen than that, you will have to get lucky with changing Weaver's Will stacks into some bleed/DoT affixes (gaining XP might remove 1WW and change it into an affix; or If there is some affix it might upgrade it... until all WW is gone)

[fathom pagoda]

i saw someone recommending it for a bladedancer build

dancing strikes

can anyone recommend me a blade dancer loot filter? I'm lvl 63, playing dancing strikes + shadow cascade + shurikens + umbral blades + smoke bomb

[tight harbor]

no I meant like is the sword itself good, not good for me lol

I just tagged in "bleed spam" so I don't seem like an idiot asking if its good

[tight harbor]

I see I see

[chrome wren]

mwuahaha

[serene crane]

Cant really recommend you any of those since I just do my own, buuuut I'll be rude and tell you to check some quick guide on youtube for lootfilters, try to make your own (first hide EVERYTHING except uniques/sets; then another rule to Show what you want to see and Recolor to also see ((it works as Show but with different color)) thats more useful for your build - +X to skills, hybrid life, cooldown reductions, etc)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/

[wet rampart]

Anyone running Heartseeker and can recommend what dmg type i should go? using fire atm and feels really bad ><

[fathom pagoda]

ty

[serene crane]

We were promised a channel to help out with lootfilters, but still nothing, sooo If you try doing your own and run into some issues, just ask here or #❔┃ask-the-community 😄

[open comet]

My friend plays it on spellblade
Goes hard

[leaden lava]

has anyone figured out a fix to the falcon on aerial assault bugging out and teleporting to whereever you click?

[open comet]

I'm running cold + frostbite and love it

[wet rampart]

you using heartseeking with puncture or just let it seek new targets?

[tight harbor]

Bet

[median geyser]

bro rogue got some drip

[tawny kestrel]

Is heart seeker a bait build?

[open comet]

Puncture since you can convert it to cold DMG with a unique quiver

[scenic otter]

No, it's pretty decent.

[open comet]

@wet rampart

[wet rampart]

oooo

[sacred prairie]

Hey guys. Im playing bladedancer rogue and I have a question,, right now im using synchronized strike to leave shadows and when I use shadow cascade or shift, the shadows use shadow cascade and then are consumed and leave umbral blades behind (from umbral blades specialization). If i get the specialization skill from synchronzied strike that immediately consumes the shadows, they dont leave umbral blades behind, is that normal?

[open comet]

You combine that quiver with reign of winter bow

[wet rampart]

thanks for the info 🙂

[scenic otter]

Yes, they don't "exist" to other skills.

[tight harbor]

You tell me

[open comet]

Also with this helmet or peak of the mountain

[tight harbor]

Yes i’m listening to nier automara covers

[open comet]

The laugh at the end

[open comet]

I combine it with snow blind helmet because frostbite can't crit anyways because it's a dot and HS has a node where you get 2% cold Penetration per 10% maxed overcaped cold resistance

Also since you chill the whole map pretty easy with puncture proc of HS you get a good amount of Armor

Also you can combine the rest of it with mourningfrost boots for more HS DMG or snow blind boots for more frostbite dmg

[alpine void]

I tested it, for me it's like Umbral Blades build > Heartseeker

It's not bad, but not like the gameplay on that

[tight harbor]

I use heartseeker only for enemies with a lot of hp

(Like bosses)

Casual 230+ bleed stacking

[alpine void]

For bosses it's good yes

I think it's just boss killer, not a fast mapper

[tight harbor]

I use puncture for mapping (idk what going through echos is called, i’m a poe person)

[chrome wren]

why cant I shatter here?

[scenic otter]

Because it says you go no shatter runes.

[chrome wren]

but theres some in my inventory

[slow path]

So is puncture heart seeker better than cinder strike heart seeker with burning blades then?

[midnight plinth]

Does Backstab nerf cacophony of steel?

[open comet]

It's very fast on mapping

[scenic otter]

The forge screen does not look in your normal inventory, only your crafting inventory

Transfer them in.

[serene crane]

Yeah when you buy Shatter runes from vendor, they dont really go into your storage, idk why, I guess EHG forgot 😄

[gilded topaz]

umbra + dive + arial built on critical strike multi
just got this, should I change ?

[little temple]

no its bad

you lose crit multi

[narrow schooner]

Does elemental barrage give bonuses multiple times for consuming elemental arrows?

[serene crane]

aaand first maxroll, nice

[alpine void]

Hm, so i'm wrong about it, sorry for that info

[solemn shore]

Can i play CoF faction if i play Black Blade of Chaos LethalMirage? Or do I need traders faction?

[little zealot]

so are people liking fire or cold heartseeker better

[gilded topaz]

bruh how do I kill Lagon 😦

[little zealot]

stand on the ramp

[serene crane]

Of course you can play CoF, for Black Blade you just need to kill Lagon's Harbringer and get somewhat nice rolls on the Black Blade

[solemn shore]

the penumbral rings as well? Thank you!

[open comet]

Cheese him like everybody else

[serene crane]

You only go MG If you want to trade - sell and buy gear... it doesnt lock you out of getting any items

for Penumbra rings you need to kill Crimson champ in the 40wave arenas

[gilded topaz]

i guess Ill have to google that

[strong venture]

How's Falconer Balista doing? Still top tier?

[wild ocean]

How would you guys change the bow version of shadow dagger falconer for HC? Is the weaver shield for glancing blows still pretty busted?

[valid sky]

anyone plays shadow daggers falconer or umbral blades falconer? which one is better or more tanky?

all I see is heartseeker players

[serene crane]

Shield is still good, but no idea how it goes there in HC :p

[wild ocean]

It was just an easy way to always take glancing blows, it still works that way right?

[serene crane]

Yeah and now you can even get GB on Large idols

[wild ocean]

Oh that's actually sick

Okay cool, shield it is for awhile at least

[wet rampart]

this game always wants me to go minions ><

[maiden gale]

weaver idols go so hard jfc

[wet rampart]

lets trade 😛

[maiden gale]

im good thanks 😔

[wet rampart]

hehe

[serene crane]

Well extra attack speed for bow Hs, its at least something 😄

[novel dagger]

Heyy! Does anyone have a Umbral blade Falconer build not using mines for late game? Im not a fan of the bomb gameplay and i believe the build can do fine without it.

[gleaming kettle]

Got a nearly max rolled (74/75 ,4/4, 10/11) ravager's dart helm waiting for me on my nemesis encounter. Is the helm bait or has anyone cooked up a throwing marksman build with it?

[gilded topaz]

so ... cheesing Lagon is not working, what am I missing ?

[steady kindle]

has bleed been nerfed this patch? my phys + dot dmg is 1247% and lastepochtools says my bleed dmg is 714, the guide i'm following has 681 phys + dot and their bleeding damage says 1205

[serene crane]

Nothing happened to bleed as far as I know

[open comet]

Yeah but also movement

[steady kindle]

this are the stats on the char from the guide

and these are mine

[serene crane]

Moving around so you dont get smashed by his pincer attacks, dont stand in the charged moon aoe - that hurts, If you have Shift with Shadowslip node you can shift through his laser beam that goes from side to side... or bait it so he moves it on left/side and you can chill on the other side

[scenic otter]

Did you miss a more modifier like penetration?

[serene crane]

Eh, can only get that on 1x4 and 4x1 idols... 😄

[open comet]

Yeah but it's very solid
It increased to 2% movement and 9% damage

I think the increased damage counts for everything? Even dots?

[little zealot]

Is it worth lvling falconer and respeccing mm

[serene crane]

Yeah If you're using Huge idols, why not 😄
If it says some generic stuff like "x% increased damage" then yea its for everything... "x% increased damage while wearing bow" and "x% increased poison damage"; etc... there is probably a lot of stuff like that... 😄

two of those with t7 might be fun with Gathering Fury 😄

[misty condor]

Luckily you can reroll that pretty easily via new tombs

Ive been having pains trying to reroll crit chance/crit multi onto my vengeance/smite idols lmao

[open comet]

Hmm while wearing a bow has even higher numbers so would be worth going for that because tbh 2% movement is kinda whatever ?

[scenic otter]

it's at least also another 2% inc with that rogue node

[mental perch]

How does HS feel?

[gleaming kettle]

Regular monos rn, very good

[open comet]

Very good

[mental perch]

Ice or fire version

[scenic otter]

Running Bleed HS HoA, pretty okay at empowered.

[gleaming pilot]

Ice is good at end game i think with the right uniques

[scenic otter]

Ice/cold probably has a better peak at full power ye.

[gleaming pilot]

fire is good at early to but has mana problems

[charred kite]

guys has anyone a good loot filter for heartseeker ?

[serene crane]

yeah this as Kzb said... MS+%inc dmg with bow at maxxed t7 is 23%... this is 30% and 4% chance to repeat Hs/Puncture... should be easy choice I think 🤔

[open comet]

So I have 4% getting a second HS + another 4% on the every puncture that HS procs?

If I understand that right

[cerulean canyon]

Is there a way to trigger Hail of Arrows off of Heartseeker, in any way?

[open comet]

If yes my man I need YOU to go into the kitchen with me and cook a build for HS

[serene crane]

Im like 99% sure that 4% only counts to skills used by yourself

[cerulean canyon]

That's what I'm trying to do! XD
Just needing to see if the ingredients even exist

[scenic otter]

No, only extend it.

[open comet]

Still we need to sit down and cook something
Cold DMG frostbite HS gets overlooked atm and it's really strong

[serene crane]

When I start Hs, I would either do bleed or Shadow daggers with Puncture 😄

[open comet]

No no no I need your knowledge

You coming with me to the cold side of HS

[serene crane]

Probably better to check this from Ragu, he's made some budget 1LP cold Hs
#🔪┃rogue message

[mental perch]

at what level can i ascedanc a dragonsong?

[scenic otter]

Any level.

Just pray to RNGesus

[serene crane]

I guess getting a Ascendance rune with a new character is harder than getting Dragonsong from it?

[cerulean canyon]

Hm, okay. Is there any way at all to cast Hail automatically?

[scenic otter]

You tell me. (No.)

[open comet]

Hmm Ic Ic
Black arrow is strong but I hate to pick em up

[cerulean canyon]

That idea's dead in the water, then

[near grove]

Huh

[scenic otter]

I'm playing HoA HS Bleed, and honestly I wouldn't take that automation-

[scenic otter]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[chrome wren]

hmm I got a troskas 😛

I need a winter bow how do I go about getting one

[near grove]

I thought that recursive chance is helmet-only affix, apparently it's not

[scenic otter]

Monolith boss drop.

[chrome wren]

can I not slam bows with the glyph thing?

[serene crane]

Yeeee but it got also changed so you can carry up to 3 Black Arrows, could be nice while bossing I guess, in echoes most stuff should be dying somwhat easily

[scenic otter]

Only works if it's not a boss drop. Regin of Winter is a bossonly drop

[chrome wren]

aww

[open comet]

Buy one from market

If you are in trade

[chrome wren]

ive not even unlocked market lmao

[open comet]

Then you don't need reign

[fathom pagoda]

how do i gain points to spent on the merchant guild?

[chrome wren]

when do I unlock that? Im kinda just running through monoliths

[open comet]

It's lvl 70 bow

[scenic otter]

Murder. It's based on XP.

[fathom pagoda]

nice

[steady kindle]

i found what was happening with the bleed damage... it seems that lastepochtools was double dipping the agility dmg bonus on the 1.1.7 version, if i migrate it to 1.2 it shows a bleed damage of 414... but the videos i've seen of this deal bigger bleeds than what i'm hitting with almost double the damage, time to re-roll

[serene crane]

the only boss unique you can get from RoA/non-boss drop/CoF prophecies... but the chances are suuuper low

idk If 1.2 got any boss uniques with drop like this 🤔

[open comet]

@flint turret my man
Would you mind cooking a HS cold + frostbite build ?

[solemn shore]

Do I need to use the Woven Enchanter for weavers touch right away or can i stack them?

[oak magnet]

Is Multishot Marksman still bad?

[serene crane]

Honestly great idea, but no clue... I'd guess we cant stack them, but better ask in #❔┃ask-the-community

[round yacht]

Can I get Peak of the Mountain with rune of ascendance?

[maiden gale]

no

[scenic otter]

Ascendance can't give you boss drops

[serene crane]

Lightning chakram? shame its throw speed and not throw cost... 😄

[mental perch]

teh skip dungeons are so stupid

[scenic otter]

But they're easy as heck, unless you meant "Farming for a key" part.

[mental perch]

no they arent lol

in the fashion of actually skipping

they are not

[scenic otter]

Idk, temporal lets me skip lagonthebitch and get my item factions faster.

I think they do their job.

[mental perch]

yeah that one.. lol

try doing the first skip duingoen and lmk how it goes lol

[scenic otter]

To be fair, that's also the only one I use lmao

I rather get my passive and idols slots in one go.

There's probably ways to take all of them

[lapis juniper]

Is it just me or does extra recurve chance not seem worth as a stat

[mental perch]

it has a huge DR

[lapis juniper]

Well the hard to get chance

Like from idols

Etc

The 66% minimum plus whatever base recurve you get on skill tree

Don't think anything more is worth

[little temple]

235 is your cap

over that is a ton of extra idol slots

235 is 7 curve exactly on average

[lapis juniper]

More with minimum right

The 66 minimum

[little temple]

mini included

[lapis juniper]

Kk

Hmm

If u have 7 recurves and like 500% poison chance

That's 40 poisons per skill use

[little temple]

its not alot

[lapis juniper]

I would say it is

This can be pretty good too

[scenic otter]

Well, by the time the recurves trigger some of the stacks probably alreadt fell off

[lapis juniper]

I mean damage is damage

You just keep attacking obviously

Ur not gonna attack once and run

[hollow solar]

hi i specced molten arrowstorm on heartseeker but %phys damage on amulet/relic increases tooltip damage, whats that about?

[scenic otter]

You added + flat physical bow damage to Heartseeker

[scenic otter]

True,but poison's base damage is kinda ass tbh, unless you can hit 999+ easily it's not going to be better than something like bleed.

[lapis juniper]

I mean thats not how that works

[scenic otter]

Why do you think there's not much poison builds?

[little temple]

they need to remove that poison stack shred thing based on stack, literally a useless stat because salt the wound exist

[scenic otter]

Wrong, that'll make poison utter shite, worse than it is now.

[eternal heron]

poison shredding based on stacks is what made it busted back in the day

[lapis juniper]

Yea

[eternal heron]

and then they capped the shred which is why it's bad

[lapis juniper]

Poison shred was infinite

Lul

[eternal heron]

because it has half the base damage of other ailments and no longer gets uncapped shred to compensate

[lapis juniper]

Half the base doesn't mean it's half as good tho

[scenic otter]

Making it never shred makes it totally useless and takes away it's one unique identity.

[lapis juniper]

Obviously that's not how it works

[eternal heron]

i never said it was half as good

it's much less than half as good

[scenic otter]

For ailments it might, because you can't scale it's base damage.

[little temple]

salt the wound already takes away its identity

[lapis juniper]

You scale it like any other ailment

[scenic otter]

And this is why no one sane takes salt the wound in poison, because it will give LESS than poison naturally.

[scenic otter]

And it still does less damage that other ailments.

[lapis juniper]

Not because of the base damage

Lol

[scenic otter]

Base damage definitely contributes.

[lapis juniper]

Base damage is just 1 part of the formula

[scenic otter]

All multipliers are worth less if the base is lower.

[lapis juniper]

All multipliers are worth less if a multiplier is lower

Base is just a multiplier

[scenic otter]

If one part of the formula is low enough the end result will suffer.

[eternal heron]

right but you can't increase the base damage and poison does not get unique multipliers that other ailments don't

[lapis juniper]

For example

Poison can have more access to ailment duration

Or chance

[eternal heron]

yes so can every other ailment

[scenic otter]

Which... they don't.

[lapis juniper]

I'm saying more?

[eternal heron]

but it doesn't

[lapis juniper]

It's number vs number

[scenic otter]

Poison ailment duration is I think the RAREST compared to any other ailment duration.

[lapis juniper]

Ok and guess what

Heartseeker has like 40%

[eternal heron]

poison does not have way more chance or duration to compensate for its lower base damage

[lapis juniper]

💀

[scenic otter]

Okay, and lich gets 60%.

[lapis juniper]

Heartseeker has way more chance

[scenic otter]

With about 200% poison chance from passives.

[lapis juniper]

So much chance

[scenic otter]

(It's why a poison build exists on lich)

[eternal heron]

it really does not

[lapis juniper]

It does man

[eternal heron]

tbh i'm basically 100% sure poison isn't even the best heartseeker ailment

[scenic otter]

Please prove us wrong. I would love to know if poison works.

[eternal heron]

(it's so obviously either bleed or frostbite)

[scenic otter]

But the current known fact is that it is pretty bad.

[little temple]

we're talking rogue only right ? cause poison on rogue is pretty ass

[scenic otter]

Poison is universally bad. I only know two builds that can clear abberoth with poison.

[eternal heron]

i've been talking in general tbh

[little temple]

bleed has salt the wound the duration boots, it has more multiplier

[eternal heron]

there is no class where i would rather play poison than another ailment

[lapis juniper]

I'm talking about the new skill

Specifically

Not last patch rogue

[little temple]

heartseeker is for ignite tbh

abusing the ring

[eternal heron]

right even with heartseeker i would rather be bleed or frostbite

[little temple]

im waiting for dread to test it

[eternal heron]

i think ignite is third place but poison is definitely last

[lapis juniper]

I feel like people are underestimating how much poison chance u can actually get

[little temple]

more than bleed ?

[scenic otter]

Like I said, prove us wrong. It's not enough chance to save poison. You'll need much higher rates or higher application rates.

[lapis juniper]

Way more

[little temple]

where ?

[lapis juniper]

You can convert armor shred chance to poison

[little temple]

armor shred stacking ?

[lapis juniper]

Ye

Armor shred values are like 3x

Of any ailment

It's way stronger than say bleed chance > poison

[scenic otter]

Yeah, but is it enough chance to make poison not bad?

(Not really, no. You need really ridiculous numbers.)

[eternal heron]

consider: shredding armor is really strong and giving up on that is not free

[lapis juniper]

Ailments aren't affected by armor tho

[scenic otter]

To be fair, DoT builds ignore it.

[little temple]

ailment doesnt affect armor

[lapis juniper]

Unless u care about the hit damage

[eternal heron]

ok fair

[little temple]

if you want poison to be meta, there needs to be a way to abuse high poison stack

like the ignite rting

[scenic otter]

I'm mostly in the camp of "That's still not enough poison chance."

(And for gods sake Lich also has the "Up to extra 100% poison pen" assist)

[little temple]

2 ward per ignite stack, you can easily get 1000+

[lapis juniper]

Heartseeker has good multipliers too

[eternal heron]

tbf those multipliers apply to other ailments as well

[scenic otter]

Yeah, there's no poison exclusive multiplier.

Even bleed gets one lmao

[eternal heron]

like the damage on heartseeker is good but it's not as if the more multipliers are higher for poison

[lapis juniper]

There's 40% duration

[scenic otter]

HS does have duration

[lapis juniper]

On heartseeker

Which is a lot

[scenic otter]

Which matches 40% pen basically.

[lapis juniper]

Is it tho

[scenic otter]

Ignite has nothing. Cold has However pen you want.

[lapis juniper]

Doesn't bleed have easier access to pen

Vs poison to duration

[eternal heron]

idk i'm still skeptical

[scenic otter]

Yes, because pen is faster than duration.

[eternal heron]

as kzb said though, the easiest way to prove yourself right is to just do it

[scenic otter]

And also bleed has duration on uniques.

[little temple]

poison cannot be better without a matching unique like this

[eternal heron]

go kill aberroth with poison heartseeker or something

[little temple]

it literally gives bleed a 40% more damage multiplier

[lapis juniper]

If they are moving no

[scenic otter]

ANd most things move.

[lapis juniper]

For clear yea

[scenic otter]

(Also the bleed duration is always on)

[lapis juniper]

But u don't need infinite dps to clear anyways

[scenic otter]

There's enough bosses that move tbf

[little temple]

ailment has like damage duration and stacks to scale, having another more to scale is insane

no base no crit no armor

[scenic otter]

Yeah one blood of the exile beats poison's advantage lmao

[devout falcon]

hey guys, qq - hope i'm not disturbing.
regarding what's preferable for leveling up to 100 lvl, i'm at 68 currently:
Playing falcon/blade spinny boi
1 vs 2?
I want to maximise the DPS
It feels like the 2nd one is better but i'm not 100% certain - am I trying to mid max too hard?

[lost pollen]

Is there a filter option just for the heart seeeker mod? I can't seem to find one that works, the generic heartseeker recurve chance mod doesn't work since it says "Unobtainable due to item type" and doesn't filter it when I drop it

[little temple]

damage over time do not matter until 200+

[scenic otter]

Did you filter the correct idols?

[little temple]

it's a dead stat at low corruption

[lost pollen]

I tried specific idols (huge for this one) and adding all idols

[scenic otter]

Then i'm not sure.

[lapis juniper]

💀

Very funny