🔪┃rogue

[north tree]

coated blades get actiave if he has black arrow is my point so when you spam HS you will run out of black arrows and HS mana cost goes back to 0

instead of being like 70 mana

[night spruce]

@astral grove puncture pen can focus primarily on one

and with the quiver you can focus both on one

which is the main appeal here

[flint turret]

okay here me out

what about

helm to convert hs to throw + using torkefin sword

[night spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/pause-pause-bro-hold-up-wait-a-minute-hold-on-gif-23341494

[astral grove]

feels like there are just so many hoops to jump through tyring to scale frostbite here

[night spruce]

Whats the hoops

i dont see any

[night spruce]

Different build but valid

[astral grove]

i guess less so hoops but more so survivability sacrifice

[flint turret]

well, if we are already talking about meme i thought why not

[night spruce]

Well yeah, offensively its just interesting to scale damage through mana on rogue :p, via both bleed and poison chance together, no less
Defensively, I am unsure how you could make a mana rogue stacker work

Could be a ward angle

seeing as we already running frostbite shackles

and HS gets pen from cold res

[astral grove]

just no ward scaling in passive tree really

having to scale with mana feels pretty limiting

[flint turret]

there are plenty of ward scaling affixes on new idols

i actually think rogue ward gets buffed in 1.2 overall

[night spruce]

Yeah, again a gear issue

but really appealing to me

[north tree]

dodge/ward is probably going to feel pretty good

[night spruce]

are there mana cost to ward idols?

[north tree]

as marksman

[flint turret]

yeah i made a planner while experimenting with ward yesterday and it has 5.4k stable ward while having red rings and mourningfrost

cant reccomend it because of issue with getting idols tho

lots of the same ones

[soft mauve]

since when shurikens are used by all existing shadows? and even additional chakrams are thrown?

[flint turret]

since forever?

[night spruce]

no additional chakrams per shuriken, tho

unless im missing something

[flint turret]

additional = each thrown by a shadow i guess

[night spruce]

There's ward retention and ward per second on 1x1, ward on freeze and freeze rate multiplier on 1x2, ward on bomb/shift on 1x3, ward when you shift/create a shadow on 1x4, silver shroud duration and ward granted per silver shroud/ward decay threshold and ward per second on 2x2.. there's options

definitely not a starter build

[flint turret]

i went with lots of theese and shackles, it doubles as cold pen with HS

[night spruce]

Oh good call

[soft mauve]

it doesnt say anything about it in shuriken description lol

[night spruce]

Does https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/create_shadow

[night spruce]

The one thing it doesn't mention

it is it also works on Nets

[flint turret]

it doesnt mention net and explosive traps tho, those are used too

[soft mauve]

i'd assume if explosive trap is turned into a bow attack it wouldnt be used by shadow?

[flint turret]

in case yo uare inetersted, 5470 stable ward with average stats and 50% extra cold pen with hs https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPp2nJJo

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (11) / Marksman (58) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,192, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 165.76, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 321%, Regen: 144/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 95 Dex / 19 Int / 31 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 68% / 327% / 68% / 67% / 59% / 78% / 123%
▸ EHP: 40,256 / 43,074 / 40,256 / 41,029 / 37,133 / 43,074 / 43,074

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 438
▸ Dodge Chance: 61% (2667)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 9% (209)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 61%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Bow Mastery (5/5), Sharpshooter (10/10), Dusk Shroud (6), Haste

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (22)
• Dark Quiver (24)
• Puncture (22)
• Smoke Bomb (22)
• Heartseeker (26)

Used unique items:

• Exsanguinous
• Frostbite Shackles
• Mourningfrost
• Shattered Worlds
• Omnis
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Peak of the Mountain
• Elecoe's Innovation
• Reign of Winter
• Phase Point

[flint turret]

and god knows how much ward from potion, no idea how it works

[night spruce]

No but ill be yoinking that idol setup most likely

save for the 1x3

Oh, found belt for the build too

[patent ledge]

With the new cinderstrike, does +physical damage no longer have any effect on the damage? I see the physical tag was removed.

[topaz schooner]

around 400 ward on potion use

[night spruce]

it has, its base was just physical for no reason

[topaz schooner]

since its 25% of your crit multi so you'd have like 83% multi for your potions when you crit on potion use

[flint turret]

why? how? potions were buffed+ extra ward from idols+crit+ward from belt itself

[night spruce]

@flint turret added belt, yoinked idol setup https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy8LlvnB

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (40) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (55) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,383, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,014.91, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 244%, Regen: 168/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 21 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 24% / 196% / 24% / 52% / 0% / 1% / 6%
▸ EHP: 1,918 / 2,548 / 1,688 / 2,166 / 1,918 / 1,464 / 1,508

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 567
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (230)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (378)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Bow, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Puncture (20)
• Shift (20)
• Heartseeker (20)
• Dark Quiver (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)

Used unique items:

• Uethrin's Stand
• Seed of Ekkidrasil
• Troaka's Teeth
• Orian's Eye
• Exsanguinous
• Communion of the Erased
• Snowdrift
• Frostbite Shackles
• Font of the Erased
• Font of the Erased

[night spruce]

guess i need to move some points around to adapt for this being a ward build

[topaz schooner]

potions dont innately give you ward, the belt enables that with a flat amount which is multiplied by 25% of your multi, it says it all on the belt

[flint turret]

its not multiplied by 25% of my crit, its a bonus, and i have 100% health to ward on idols

[topaz schooner]

uhhh yeah it'

with idols itd be a lot lmao

[flint turret]

potion 50+10 per lvl tahts already 1050, +200 on belt, thats 1250+crit

+200 ward from potion

[topaz schooner]

it'd be like 3k or something

[flint turret]

around 2.5 prob

pretty good

[topaz schooner]

i dont think that'd be converted because it specifically says potion health converted

so we'll assume thats not added

[flint turret]

hmmm yeah might be true

[topaz schooner]

so yeah its probably 1426 * 1.83

[flint turret]

ward probably dont get crited too

so its not 1250

[topaz schooner]

oh yeah you're right

the 216 is just added to the total

[flint turret]

still around 2k prob

[topaz schooner]

yeah

so yeah 2,137

3 pots and you're topped up, pretty good lol

[flint turret]

pretty big, will take a while to decay it with high retention

[topaz schooner]

it'd feel like pre-nerf ward

lmfao

pre-nerf LL rogue ward***

ik ward is hella nerfed on other classes

[flint turret]

on rogue its buffed

[topaz schooner]

Yep.

we needed it

[flint turret]

well also depends on how accesible will those idols be

prices might skyrocket and cof farming small idols?

[topaz schooner]

lets just say you'll be in the cemetery for a while

[north tree]

I wonder If I can get Umbral resolution and Gloom Needle to work

[soft mauve]

will Dancing Strikes tree affect the attack that shadows use after Synchronized strike? If so - whats the number (1st, 2nd or 3rd) of the dancing stikes attack the shadows use after synchronized?

[flint turret]

in bd without mourningfrost those items will be much higher, and death door 24% reduction. BD is a huge winner in the ward department

imagine adding reforged corsair on top of this

its a facetank for everythig

[topaz schooner]

btw you built your heartseeker exactly how I was going to. 50% black arrow, 40% from tree, then 47.5%, from dex stacking. Your total is like 277% recurve which is pretty much the hardcap for investment to damage ratio. also I noticed you probably researched the exalted mods and found out that they aren't worth taking (recurve chance)

[night spruce]

@flint turret https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1Vz0X8Q I guess now all I need is more dodge or armour

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (39) / Marksman (68) / Falconer (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,389, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,265.83, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 386%, Regen: 168/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 448% / 62% / 52% / 38% / 39% / 44%
▸ EHP: 2,303 / 2,291 / 2,027 / 1,947 / 2,303 / 1,684 / 1,749

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 361
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (183)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (378)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 15%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Bow, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Puncture (20)
• Shift (20)
• Heartseeker (20)
• Dark Quiver (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)

Used unique items:

• Uethrin's Stand
• Seed of Ekkidrasil
• Troaka's Teeth
• Orian's Eye
• Exsanguinous
• Communion of the Erased
• Snowdrift
• Frostbite Shackles
• Font of the Erased
• Font of the Erased

[topaz schooner]

277% recurve is roughly 1000% effectiveness per cast which is pretty bonkers. i dont think people realize how good HS is

[night spruce]

a new rogue skill that's absolutely bonkers? Say it ain't so

[flint turret]

in which one? that ward one is just a throwaway, i wont be building it

[topaz schooner]

you'd be surprised how many doubters there are

[night spruce]

@topaz schooner Humanity does not surprise me nowadays 😄

[flint turret]

and you forgot passive im MM for extra 40

[topaz schooner]

thats what I meant when I said tree, passive tree

[flint turret]

ah

[topaz schooner]

the 50% from black arrow is kinda non-negotiable and I think people dont realize how good black arrow is going to feel now

[flint turret]

but HS also has recurve in its tree

black arrow will carry hs alone

[topaz schooner]

yep

[flint turret]

with dusk shrouds and shadow gen

[topaz schooner]

i included the 140% from base HS in your tree

[night spruce]

Does Gloom Needle ignore CD?

[flint turret]

ah okay i dodnt calculate it. letool needs a recurve chance calculator in offence tab lol

[night spruce]

letool needs more basic functionalities way before that lol

[flint turret]

thats a lot of small idols kekw

[topaz schooner]

50% black arrow 40% passive tree 47.5% dex stack, 30% Arrow Mastery 10% blood seeker 100% base

unless I missed a source, I dont think i did

[night spruce]

i mean whatever works lmao

@flint turret but all I need is to add dodge or armour to this

Im open to suggestions

[lime folio]

why do you have so much mana?

[topaz schooner]

but if you added the t5 recurve chance you'd only gain like... basically nothing, its a big noob trap to take those recurve chance nodes on body/helmet

[night spruce]

Puncture Mind Piercer

[flint turret]

only black arrows come to mind with shrouds

[topaz schooner]

3.7% more damage grabbing the t5 recurve chance on body + helmet

so yeah it caps out pretty hard after 200%

[lime folio]

ah, though it was an hs build

[night spruce]

it is both

HS for black arrow, shroud, more frostbites

unload with puncture in between

[lime folio]

feels kinda weird to have cd-hs for clear and puncture for single target

[topaz schooner]

HS clear is going to be nuts

[flint turret]

no room for them really, dex+health+hs levels are more prio imo

[night spruce]

kinda why i find it appealing tbh lol

[topaz schooner]

yeah I agree. which just goes to show how broken its going to be. no gear needed and you're pretty much hardcapped on damage per cast if you use black arrow

[flint turret]

but big idol seems nice

2 of this big boys can be nice

[topaz schooner]

thats a lot of damage

is the repeat cd independent of another idol?

[flint turret]

how would i know

[topaz schooner]

i dont know if we have repeat mechanic already in the game

[lime folio]

not like 8.16% vs 8% would chance anything at all

[flint turret]

can also be damage while weilding a bow up to 45% as suffix instead of eleres

[north tree]

theres a lightning bow that repeats

I assume they share a cd

[topaz schooner]

i dont think repeat is that good on HS tbf, HS is already extremely short cast time

[topaz schooner]

holy lol

95% bow damage on a single idol

[flint turret]

nonono not bow damage, damage while weilding a bow, it affects everything including burning daggers and umbrals and dot

[lime folio]

idk, math will tell
but it's a more multiplier, and not an increase one
so it could be really good

[topaz schooner]

if its repeat on hit that'd be busted but repeat on cast is w/e

[topaz schooner]

oh yeah its generic increased damage

thats a lot of dot scaling

[lucid hemlock]

Does anyone here know if consuming extra arrows with elemental barrage stacks the damage? e.g 3 arrows consumed = 24*3 added damage?

[flint turret]

there are better alternatives for dot. this idols rolls up to 90% inc damage for phys dot for example as s suff

[topaz schooner]

makes sense. i've never done a dot bow build before

wanted to do olio's bleed falconer but never got around to it

[flint turret]

same, i never really played dot

[topaz schooner]

i heard ROA bleed is really good

[flint turret]

hoa gets a huge buff because of a new quiver

[topaz schooner]

yep that much i do know

the black quiver change is so huge man

[flint turret]

gonna be huge, but im not a fan of dot still

[topaz schooner]

i also prefer hit based builds

[novel rune]

@flint turret what do you think is a meaningful point to swap from what is essentially an SD falconer to UB AA? so from phys to cold + crit chance

like talon with t7 hybrid?

maybe boots

[topaz schooner]

Who has the counter ready for Ragu @'s this cycle start?

[flint turret]

talon\tongue t7, ucenui, around 60 dex, razorfall maybe?

[flint turret]

im not answering falconer questions after 1,2 starts btw

i made a bet lol

[topaz schooner]

I'll believe it when I see it

[topaz schooner]

Oh shit

[flint turret]

well, at least ill try to, unless i forget or do it by accident

[topaz schooner]

I enjoyed the flood of "can you fix my build" in 1.0

and SD BD before that in 0.9

altho I did my fair share of pinging back then so i cant judge

[novel rune]

just gonna send ragu a 36 page word document with falconer questions so i can have answers before 1.2

[flint turret]

i dont mind, i like tinkering with builds more than play after 2-4 weeks into a cycle

[novel rune]

im usually the same

first giga farm then look at cool shit i could try but too lazy to test them all

[flint turret]

i havent really climbed more than 1200 or smth like that ever

and i can clear that in a 0lp\rares tier gear falconer anyway

[novel rune]

granted im also tempted to play VK for bonk fun and a lot of innate defence, including against oneshots

[mild marsh]

Can Ravager's dart be used by Marksmen? The passive tree almost only have buffs to bow dmg. Is the helmet designed for other classes or how is it intended to be used?

[novel rune]

prob for non-marksman builds mainly

[topaz schooner]

I'

[novel rune]

MM tree is bit scuffed if you wanna be non-bow

[topaz schooner]

i'm definitely starting sentinel then i'll save rogue for later

because I know i'll be forever stuck rogue if I start rogue lolol

[flint turret]

sadly hs is a mm only skill

[novel rune]

haha

[topaz schooner]

throw based HS is a giant meme

[novel rune]

ye so cant spec, but you can get some uses out of it

for some sentinel builds it counts as throw hit, for some triggers

[flint turret]

i think its gonna be okay in a throwing cascade build, thats pretty much it, but overall i agree, its a meme

[topaz schooner]

I think we'll definitely see some crazy burst happen, someone is gonna break it

but the clear is just going to suck

and it'll feel bad to play

then you'll just be back to use SD to clear...

then at that point SD will probably out DPS the single HS anyways...

[flint turret]

too bad throwing damage is limited to hs on it, if it was generic this helm would be okay

[flint turret]

thats why i said in a throwing cascade build, it already has a great clear, and a free skill slot. hs can fill it with utility\buff\extra single target damage

instead of umbrals or shurikens

[night spruce]

Aight, done cooking this

[topaz schooner]

that is true

[night spruce]

ill do mana guide sorc next i think

[chrome wren]

yes make me a build so I can copy and paste

[night spruce]

lol I think im at like

10 builds

so far

Mana guide should be fairly straightforward

off I go to #🧙┃mage

[flint turret]

so far this is my best planner for non-crazy rare geared hs with a good progression from 1 to 2lp gear, dunno what to optimize except passives \ trees https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8dlnwMA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (11) / Marksman (59) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 3,139, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 145.36, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 18%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 80 Dex / 9 Int / 21 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 73% / 70% / 82% / 71% / 81% / 74%
▸ EHP: 30,997 / 30,389 / 29,521 / 33,338 / 29,805 / 30,997 / 30,690

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 698
▸ Dodge Chance: 74% (4546)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (758)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 61%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (10/20), Bow Mastery (5/5), Concentration, Sharpshooter (10/10), Swiftness, Dusk Shroud (6), Haste

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (20)
• Dark Quiver (22)
• Puncture (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Heartseeker (24)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Riverbend Grasp
• Mourningfrost
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Peak of the Mountain
• Elecoe's Innovation
• Reign of Winter
• Phase Point
• Throne of Ambition

[night spruce]

My best planner so far seems to be Void Smite Multistrike VK

[north tree]

I honestly 4 LP all items and justt assume those are best Uniques but if I dont have them then those are ideal stats

Best stat on Unique tier 7-tier 4 the worst stat

[night spruce]

as long as you dont recommend that to anyone its fine lol

as a "starter"

[north tree]

makes making a loot filter easier

im kinda curious about the crit belt like is based on our highest attack/spell crit

[serene crane]

If you see a guide with all 4LP items, idk, just close that 😄

[north tree]

no one expects a 4 lp but like I said its more like I do it just to have a placehorder if there's a unique I want, build sites dont have a good way to indiciate whats the ideal exalted bases till a decent lp unique .

[novel rune]

4 LP red rings on my starter

casual day1 gear

[flint turret]

Every next patch 4lp becomes more and more real for fulltime mg players tho

[novel rune]

CoF seems juicy too on its own way

[serene crane]

I mean, just drop one, its literally that easy, 50:50 chance

[flint turret]

Usually I would agree but devs fkdup us in 1.2 with no prophecies for new runes

[novel rune]

oof

[north tree]

didn't they rebalance some?

[flint turret]

Dunno, only addition in patch notes was for a weaver rune, but no one cares about that

Havoc is the goat

[astral grove]

does this node work on triggered skills?

[serene crane]

Not even any prophecies for harbringers, nemsis or Aberroth... idk, I see that like a lot of wasted potential, so I hope it'll get added later

[vapid arrow]

"When you use a skill", so I'd expect it not working

[flint turret]

Yeah, no new prophecies for rares too. Only the old weird selection for shitty bases except bone amulet

At least let us select a base for rares bruh

[serene crane]

at least some QoL like making a new icons for generic armor and accessories... like when Im looking for body armors, it has the same icon as "armor"... same with rings that has same icon as, eh, whatever its called in game 😄 jewellery? ...tldr a lot of icons missing there

[flint turret]

True

[serene crane]

Runes and relic one looks pretty much all the same I think

I guess thats where the ability to read comes in quite handy

[flint turret]

Probably the worst thing about 1.2 for me is the absence of havoc/redemption rune blessings, unless they forgot to mention them

It affects all of cof players and legacy

[wide yacht]

yeah, if i have the same chances as an MG player, the MG player can gamble the havoc on an item with 4 good affixes by buying it

a successful gamble on his part would leave a CoF one in the dust

the CoF has to get loot explosion after loot explosion before finding something worth using that very rare rune

and even then, no guarantee

[flint turret]

Not really, you will be forced to use it all the time to get your t7 hybrid and +skills slams even on 1lp items, because dropping them naturally is really hard

[topaz schooner]

wow this is strong

[north tree]

thats what im building with for my HS

[topaz schooner]

i'm going through the post-patch notes interview now

[topaz schooner]

understandably so. a free 60% more damage every second

petrify.. i havent heard them talk about that yet

brb

Oh its a free hard CC for mobs

[north tree]

evade gets you 4 so evade into black arrow seems insanly strong

[topaz schooner]

yep

[flint turret]

But phase point for hs....

[topaz schooner]

phase point also insane...

[north tree]

if this didn't come out I would go phase point

[topaz schooner]

decisions x.x

[wide yacht]

yeah, i got pleeenty of experience with that

[topaz schooner]

both are so good man

[wide yacht]

i always drop them on skills i don't need, every damn time

[topaz schooner]

I bet the 3d model will be sick

[flint turret]

At least we will have access to lots of runes of creation, so any successful havoc should result in 2 bases for slamming

[topaz schooner]

holy that thing is crazy

[flint turret]

It is indeed

[topaz schooner]

wow wow wow

[wide yacht]

true, CoF can enjoy that benefit

[flint turret]

But God dam tongue doesn't let us to use a shield

[topaz schooner]

i'm so glad they didnt remove that prophecy from level 9

[novel rune]

remind me of which tongue you talking about

[topaz schooner]

yep tongue is too good for rogues but damn i'm using that shield on my sentinel

[flint turret]

Wasn't it 10?

[topaz schooner]

actually yeah it was 10

9 was the other one

experimental one w/e it was called i think

[ocean plank]

I want to consult , I'm torn between two builds

• Blade Dancer Lethal mirage
• Falconer Ballista

I care a lot about farming monolith and trading faction guild merchant in the game.

[flint turret]

There is no choice then, they are not anywhere close

Lm is purely for enjoyers

[topaz schooner]

lol in the interview Karv said Countenance of Majasa is probably going to be nerfed because the LP ilvl is way too low so its too easy to get lp

thats so funny to say while showing an item for the first time "oh btw this is so strong its getting nerfed in season 3"

[flint turret]

Well they had tundra helm at lvl 10 req but they changed it before it released even

[topaz schooner]

oh wow

[ocean plank]

Shadow Daggers ?

[topaz schooner]

if you care about efficiency go SD falconer AA

if thats your main goal

[flint turret]

Doesn't matter, both sd and combo lm are for enjoyers

[proven lava]

why is this crazy? dot blocking?

[topaz schooner]

dot mitigation is nearly impossible to come by and at the high level of corruption thats the main thing that kills you

but everything else is good too

[flint turret]

Crazy high block chance, dot block, 1200 block without a slam

[topaz schooner]

tons of BE

[proven lava]

cool, thanks for the explanation

makes sense why so many people have it in their planners

[topaz schooner]

i will say tho, the petrify might be ultra annoying in arena

[topaz schooner]

yeah I hadnt even heard of it until today since this is the first time i've watched the interview, it is pretty insane

[flint turret]

Did you get to the part where they discuss dot nerfs in monos?

[topaz schooner]

not yet, and thank god

[flint turret]

Nerfed more than twice

[topaz schooner]

Oh actually they did mention that the dots aren't instantly doing their full expected ramp damage anymore

that alone is so huge

you're not instantly getting hit with 100 poisons worth of damage

that alone is probably going to be impactful for me not to rage at dots anymore

[flint turret]

Yeah dots were pure pain to deal with

[topaz schooner]

we'll still need a cleanse but still good

[near grove]

I never farmed red rings, how hard is it to get one in CoF? "Just" 0 lp one

[topaz schooner]

also that witchfire item... 66% of your increased curse damage as more damage is pretty fkn insane lol

[topaz schooner]

extremely rare

[flint turret]

Depending on your luck entirely it can range from couple of hundreds thousands favor to few mil

[topaz schooner]

or it was for me. i spent like 10m favor on rings and didnt find a single lp1 red ring

but that was in season 0

didnt play s1

I did find 3 red rings from that 10m but yeah, zero lp1

[flint turret]

Imprinting, nemesis will help a bit

[topaz schooner]

i havent played with nemesis, how easy is it to get lp1?

beat me to it

[near grove]

oh, it's 0.14% ascendance chance

rip

[flint turret]

Dunno the chances for lp, but you will get random t4-6 on it pretty easily, which is anyway better than 0lp

[topaz schooner]

I wonder how much increased % curse damage you can get

for downfall of the righteous

[flint turret]

Ascendance is not worth it, it has lower lp chances, better to run rings blessing instead

Nomads/crabs along the way help too

[topaz schooner]

5 to 60 healing effectiveness

[flint turret]

Abby relic rolls crazy values too. 1-10 all stat and 1-5 flat crit and 10%-100% frenzy effect

[topaz schooner]

LOL yeah 1-5 flat crit and 10-100 frenzy effect is brutal

and you really want both of those max

lets just say we will definitely see some gold cap abby relics

[near grove]

why fire HS nodes are better than cold ones 😿

[flint turret]

Well frenzy effect is not that big, it's like 18% more attack speed. Compared to 1-5 crit and 1-10 stat

That's almost 50 stat difference

45*

[topaz schooner]

it's pretty big for HS

oh yeah 10 dex too fk

[flint turret]

Pene via cold res is okay with ward stacking, and overall cold is much better because of mourningfrost. Fire will use mourningfrost too, but they won't be able to get penetration/shred for both at the same time, but yeah burning daggers are pretty pog

[vapid arrow]

Aight got done with what'll most likely be my final planner for bleed falcon. It's finally worth it to use 2 of 2x2 bleed conversion idols compared to last time, where bleed chance per sword was always better. Also added personal plan for the weaver routing https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKlv75nQ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (18) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (65)

General:

▸ Health: 2,524, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 217.51, Regen: 12.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 177 Dex / 13 Int / 3 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 63% / 104% / 77% / 77% / 84% / 113%
▸ EHP: 19,439 / 17,356 / 19,439 / 23,400 / 19,439 / 19,439 / 19,439

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 884
▸ Dodge Chance: 48% (1776)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,281)
▸ Block Chance: 5%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Haste

Used skills:

• Falconry (26)
• Net (22)
• Aerial Assault (23)
• Smoke Bomb (21)
• Dive Bomb (22)

Used unique items:

• Blood of the Exile
• Blood Roost
• Thorn Slinger
• Doublet of Onos Tull
• Omnis

[flint turret]

Mg? Cof? Why so low on uniques? With the change to a guarantee slam, getting big 1lp items should be easier than good exalt tbh

[vapid arrow]

MG, there's no uniques that'd help more on the slots with exalteds

weaver and set stuff give no help to minion bleed either, so not many new options coming from there either

[flint turret]

What about chalice?

[vapid arrow]

it'd give 14% more bleed crance compared to ruby dice, while the other rolls don't matter since they won't affect the bird

[flint turret]

What about new amulet for falcon

[near grove]

Pene is hard to use since you get lower cold res via Mourningfrost tho

[flint turret]

With ward setup it's fine. I have a few planners ranged from 50 to 80% pene from it

[vapid arrow]

That I'm really not certain with tbf, if Inheritance of the Erased is what you're referring to

[flint turret]

Yep

280% phys damage looks pretty big. Or 30% phys penetration

[vapid arrow]

the amulet is a weaver item so getting wanted affixes will be difficult

[flint turret]

Yeah makes sense

But there are plenty of good ones that will act the same

[slow sierra]

Pretty sure Xithara's is just better

[flint turret]

Phys damage, minion damage, dot damage

[slow sierra]

and easy to get 3 lp

[flint turret]

Like how? It doesn't work on falcon, no?

[slow sierra]

30% More phys

[flint turret]

Yeah but for who

[boreal walrus]

[vapid arrow]

doesn't add to bleed damage done by a minion

[slow sierra]

nvm I didnt realize you were talking about minion ammy

[vapid arrow]

but yeah, T7 phys or dot roll on the amulet would be around 30% more dps

[flint turret]

And you can get 2 of them at the same time

4 good ones

[vapid arrow]

will be a lot difficult to get compared to a 1lp omnis at the beginning, but it'll be a probable upgrade after that

[flint turret]

Most will look for crit multi on it I guess, or phys damage or crit chance. So you will have good chance to yoink some dot one in mg I think

[vapid arrow]

just gotta get to rank 12 for that lol

[flint turret]

Well, eventually...

[flint turret]

Have you thought about going fthat falcon bleed into aa umbral bleed with dusk shrouds stacking?

Because falcon bleed was nerfed while umbrals almost not

[vapid arrow]

I haven't thought about anything else than ailments since 1.0 :'D

[flint turret]

I'm talking about bleed AA umbrals

Or ignite, whatever

[vapid arrow]

hmm, umbrals would have you stack damage done by you instead of falcon it looks like

[flint turret]

Yes

But 30+ dusk shrouds...

[vapid arrow]

falcon gives an easy route to more multipliers, which go to like 8x with the setup

[flint turret]

250% more from sword thrower, and 500% more from 30 dusk

And you can't even compare the amount of hits umbrals will deal

And you will be able to use generic increase bleed duration

Nwm you will lose duration from the body tho

[vapid arrow]

numbers seem to be there for sure, but I'll wait until after uber aberroth to do more build planning

[flint turret]

Makes sense. I haven't seen anyone working on dot aa umbrals so I'm a bit interested

Maybe ignite even with mahelin

[patent ledge]

with the new cinder strike, will +base physical damage only have an effect on the 2nd and 3rd hit? or was it always like that? or does the physical damage get converted to fire damage?

[flint turret]

And reen? And trigger reen by sd on umbral? 30 stacks of reen 300 inc fire damage over time

[topaz schooner]

Does anyone know if filters made in 1.1 transfer over to 1.2 without issue?

[vapid arrow]

Pretty sure they do, they just won't have new affixes check-marked

[topaz schooner]

Alright cool cool

[scenic otter]

If it's + X physical melee damage, it's added to all. Flats are always added to the relevant skill type. If you get + X flat cold melee damage that's applied to all as well.

[patent ledge]

in 1.2, how do you you properly specialize in melee cinder strike? Seems like most implicit for weapons give +melee damage which increases fire damage as the base but then the rogue passives give +physical damage. are you supposed to get mods with increased fire damage or increased physical damage? if you get increased fire damage, it increases the base but it seems like it wastes the +physical damage that you get from passives

[scenic otter]

Which flat will you have the most? Focus on that (Most likely fire since weapon's adaptive flat is now all fire).
It also depends on what else you would want to do (As in what other skills you will spec).

[native oracle]

just overall what is the best class for a melee build havent played in like a year so id need some advice?

[floral latch]

What's best is kinda subjective in LE, all of them have strenghts and weaknesses

All classes have very strong melee potential from what i've experienced and done, it's more what you are looking from from melee gameplay

Rogue is more towards fast paced and mobility, primalist melee is more heavy hits and setting up for big strikes by buffing, sentinel you either go defensive and rely on smite or spin-2-win from my experience.

Even mage has a very strong melee potential, but i've yet to try that one, probably the strongest with how ward was the prime defense. With life being more viable in the coming patch things are likely to even out however

So to keep it short, it really depends on the melee gameplay you enjoy, as all can melee well, even acolyte

[patent ledge]

for shadow cacade, if you get porcupine's wrath, do the daggers from dagger dance still scale with melee damage?

[serene crane]

Those should be only thrown

[scenic otter]

The daggers never scaled with melee. It’s only throwing.

[arctic gull]

Did they fix DA build?

[scenic otter]

So t1 is enough if you need more shadows, for some reason. (You won’t need it in most use cases)

[boreal walrus]

[dry gulch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5WYD5XA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (21) / Marksman (60)

General:

▸ Health: 2,187, Regen: 31.92/s
▸ Mana: 120.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 150 Dex / 11 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 65% / 65% / 83% / 65% / 61% / 50%
▸ EHP: 9,200 / 9,200 / 9,200 / 11,165 / 9,200 / 8,877 / 8,096

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 437
▸ Dodge Chance: 53% (2101)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,135)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 89%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Throwing, Bow

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Heartseeker (21)
• Shift (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Decoy (20)
• Shurikens (20)

Used unique items:

• Gathering Fury
• Crystalwind
• Quicksilver Coil
• Quicksilver Coil
• Valdyr's Chalice
• Blood of the Exile
• Bleeding Heart
• Throne of Ambition

[serene crane]

Or nerf MM/Falconer's Shadow limit to 1, make Shadows a Bd's signature and make t7 of that prefix to +2 shadows, so if anyone would really want to play with shadows, t7 would be the bis 😄

[scenic otter]

I would like what you’re smoking sir.

[serene crane]

Idk If Quicksilver rings would be worth just for the bow attack speed... 🤔

[valid sky]

guys how viable is Rogue for HC? I remember playing it in cycle 1 with good success but right I see 90% going paladin which seems really boring

[scenic otter]

Rogue in HC probably has to rely on capped glancing blow, and can’t rely on dodge so probably just okay?

[serene crane]

Falconer doesnt really deserve anything else tbh and when we're at it, move Sync Strike to like 25 points, Sync Strike being at 10 points is just absolute joke

[scenic otter]

Most people don’t play HC

[scenic otter]

And have two class locked skills?

[dry gulch]

ohh you are right, 3lp siphons would be much better

[elfin ore]

hows blade dancer?

[serene crane]

Not our fault for the lack of BD skills 😄

[valid sky]

and for SC, Umbral blades still remains the fastest build available?

[serene crane]

Well ye but getting 3PL of those... gonna take some time 😄

2LP crab maybe, should be fairly doable

[dry gulch]

all that gear is very easy to get in trade, this is more like second char/third char.

[meager fern]

blood of exiles were nonexistant above 1lp last time I played mg :( valdyrs are kinda rare too

[dry gulch]

even then, still easily farmable

[scenic otter]

One of the faster ones yeah.

[scenic otter]

It is what it is

[scenic otter]

0lps of them shouldn’t be too hard

[serene crane]

I dont even pick those up from the ground anymore... 😄

[meager fern]

Prayge no dupes/exploits in the first week, heed my call china bros dont do it 🙏 let us play a little then go ham

[floral latch]

For a bleed multishot/heartseeker build, does flat phys do anything, or is it all %damage bonuses that apply?

[meager fern]

ye flat phys does jack for bleeds

[floral latch]

So, it's IAS stacking and %phys that i want, and dex for bleed scaling of multishot and heartseeker

[meager fern]

you can get like 1200-1600% inc with decent investment

[floral latch]

Cheers

[dry gulch]

You can leave the country out of it, just use the generic term of botters, is suffice enough

[floral latch]

Ty!

[scenic otter]

He has a point, there’s at least two other countries that I can think off that bot a lot

[meager fern]

aye gl to us all getting proper idols 💀 amen

[dry gulch]

The idols are def the most aspirational

[flint turret]

Are they improving mg ui in 1.2? Gl searching for idols with the old UI if not

Browsing through 50 pages of stout idols to find some not overpriced ones with 4%/25+ flat sure was fun for me

[meager fern]

u can sort idols by affixes since like new years I think

uniques on the other hand...

[flint turret]

There was no sorting for affix value ranges in 1.1 or I'm being dumb

[meager fern]

it still returns u empty search sometimes when you try to search two affix values above ~75% threshold simultaneously

[scenic otter]

Those didn’t exist iirc

[flint turret]

Looks like I'm being dumb, can you show me the threshold affix searching in UI?

[meager fern]

ye lemme login

[flint turret]

I don't have mg character anymore

[meager fern]

this is for idols; More=>Affixes=>single available tier=>flat health >25

kinda same stuff for exalts

[flint turret]

Oh nice, didn't know they added this. Wonder when

[flint turret]

And looks like not only me lol

[meager fern]

no clue lol but its way nicer than it used to be thats for sure

[scenic otter]

Oh. Now I know

[flint turret]

Cof4life still anyway

[serene crane]

My god those 2%/+28 for 1.5m...

[meager fern]

👴 back in my day double lifers were 15m bottom line

[serene crane]

Can throw those 2% ones to a vendor soon 😄

[meager fern]

man thats a bummer they retroactively change items like that muh life stacking dream

[rugged pollen]

there's a reason it has been there for 47 days u know

[floral latch]

Wasn't there a way to stop heartseeker from bouncing btw?

Or did they change that

[scenic otter]

If bouncing you meant “find a new target”, it’s a node

[floral latch]

So here's my idea i'm tinkering with for 1.2.
Bleed multishot/heartseeker. Offensively stack dex phys % and bleed chance.
Defensively dodge and health.
Main skills being multishot and heartseeker. With the usual standard supports prolly

Will tinker with build more when home

[cursive inlet]

revolutionary

[floral latch]

Yeah, what's it called? Because i'm being blind lol

[floral latch]

Very! Not really tho, i just enjoy discussing ideas is all

Don't have to engage if you're not interested 🙂

[cursive inlet]

naw just poking a little fun

[floral latch]

Ah gotcha

[scenic otter]

Exposed, big node on left

[floral latch]

Is there anything i'm missing offensively there btw in terms of stat priority?

Defences obiously also entail crit reduction and resists, but that's stating the obvious

[cursive inlet]

someone shared a planner earlier with gear that's pretty close to what you'd want

[cursive inlet]

this one

[serene crane]

[boreal walrus]

[serene crane]

Im glad CoF exists, dealing with pricing in MG wouldnt be for me... being able to buy whatever you need is cool, but when you want to micromanage good prices based on whats currently popular... nah 😄

[boreal walrus]

📈

[dull wolf]

Common CoF W

[granite current]

I am doing some levelling runs today and yesterday, and yesterday, when I used Bladestorm UB they surely landed where I pointed my mouse. But now it travels max distance and collides at terrain. Whats up with that?

[flint turret]

tried to build a planner for ignite aa umbrals it and it rougly looks like this. thoughts on ignite chance\increased damage? i have close to no experience with dot. reen wasnt updated yet so its missing extra 150% inc fire dot damage in the planner(and dont look too much into defences, i havent focused on them yet) https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oz5LKMaB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (18) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (62)

General:

▸ Health: 2,133, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 147.51, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 150 Dex / 14 Int / 10 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 63% / 104% / 77% / 77% / 91% / 58%
▸ EHP: 11,806 / 10,541 / 11,806 / 14,064 / 11,806 / 11,806 / 10,091

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 815
▸ Dodge Chance: 33% (1133)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,155)
▸ Block Chance: 5%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Reen's Ire (30), Crimson Shroud (3/3), Haste

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (24)
• Net (24)
• Aerial Assault (21)
• Smoke Bomb (23)
• Dive Bomb (22)

Used unique items:

• Kelthan Blasting Agent
• Razorfall
• Maehlin's Hubris
• Thorn Slinger
• Sunwreath
• Eye of Reen
• Core of the Mountain
• Weaver's Gift
• Omnis
• Calamity

[granite current]

Oh nvm, I forgot Precision Cuts

[vapid arrow]

Seems pretty good, Only thing I'd be worried about is how it feels to play with managing the cooldowns

[flint turret]

should be okay with some cdr on gear. i cant really put valor in here because i have no idea where to get ignite\bleed chance with a bow

maybe puncture for fury? instead of net

doest sound that bad actually, will also help wit his

Loosing double swords hurt a lot still tho

[vapid arrow]

yeah, doubt that going bow would be the right call

Anyone know if Maehlin's hubris converts all bleed chance (including chance to apply bleed on bow hit) or just global bleed chance?

[scenic otter]

Might be all, since it converts Bleeding Heart's self bleed.

[cursive inlet]

surely i'll get this gear on launch

🙃

[cerulean thunder]

are those leveling guides decent ? i wanna go HS marksman

[uneven ferry]

Do we know if the Puncture Per Recurve After Death node on Heartseekers tree can make all the punctures hit the same enemy? aka is it puncture per recurve or puncture per recurve per nearby enemy?

[floral latch]

Also curious on that one

[flint turret]

logically should be able to aim at the same enemy(because it doesnt say it cant)

because its what recurve does already

maybe we can summon someone from CBT to answer

[graceful hare]

Imo there is no sense in leveling guides, take the skill you want to play or level with and go ahead.

Campaign is usually not a struggle for any skill

[floral latch]

Yeah, exactly

That's the beauty of LE

[keen birch]

Is crit vulnerability the same (per stack) as have +2 base crit chance? Or is it part of a different formula for deciding crits?

[keen birch]

I did some practice runs. Puncture trash mobs, flurry bosses. Until multishot, then replace puncture. Easy level to 70.

[scenic otter]

Close. It's "Final Critical Chance". Cannot be modified by anything else but itself.

[keen birch]

I dont understand. So. Let's say I have 5 base crit and 10 stacks of vuln on the enemy and 300% crit chance bonuses. Do I crit 100% of time time?

[scenic otter]

5% base x (400% increased crit chance) + 20% from vuln

[keen birch]

Got it. So it is last layer, no multiplicative. Thank you!

[soft mauve]

does "increased physical damage" affect bleed damage?

[scenic otter]

There we go, yeah.

[scenic otter]

Yes.

[dull wolf]

so that would be 45% crit chance, right?

[scenic otter]

40%, where did you last 5% come from.

Oh, you assumed the 400% was without the base 100%

[dull wolf]

the base 5%

[floral latch]

This is sorta what i'm thinking. Leaving 5th skill open as i want to try puncture
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYM4q62o Bow will be swapped depending on if i'm doing clear or boss prolly

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (21) / Marksman (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,226, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 120.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 38 Dex / 11 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 6%
▸ EHP: 1,290 / 1,290 / 1,290 / 1,327 / 1,290 / 1,298 / 1,336

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 245
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (490)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 9% (206)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Bow, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Multishot (20)
• Heartseeker (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Shift (20)

Used unique items:

• Drelkor's Compass
• Blood of the Exile
• Crystalwind
• Bleeding Heart
• Quicksilver Coil
• Quicksilver Coil
• Valdyr's Chalice

[floral latch]

I don't have the other gear plugged in right now, just the unis

[vapid arrow]

If I calculated correctly it's quite feasible to get 100+ hits per second using heartseeker, which seems bonkers

[sweet cloud]

Can it be nerfed right away or they dont practice such things?

[dull wolf]

they dont nerf mid season

only fix bugs

[scenic otter]

Unless it's "Giga super stupid one shot abberoth" broken, no.

P.S.: If it's caused by an ovbious bug, then it will if the bug is fixed.

[cerulean thunder]

ty

[novel rune]

im kinda torn between CoF and MG

CoF has been good fun and it sounds like its kinda strong in some ways in 1.2 but at the same time i enjoy the rush of trade

go fast so you can sell shit asap etc

[meager fern]

My only gripe with CoF is idols. Rest is smooth as heck

[flint turret]

Even this kind of build (umbral aa) is almost not nerfed in 1.2

[scenic otter]

Maybe I should say "One shots uberroth" but yeah, unless it ovbiously caused by a bug.

Umbral AA is at least "within game interaction mechanics"

[boreal walrus]

[flint turret]

I doubt it will make any difference between Abby and Uber abby

[meager fern]

😏 oneshot both

[flint turret]

Well, not really one-shot, because you need couple of dives to stack ds, but after this it's over

[novel rune]

i imagine uber one is gonna be phased in some way

that it forces you to succeed mechanics

[flint turret]

Maybe, dunno

[novel rune]

so you cant just login with billion dps and delete it

but who knows

[sweet cloud]

Is it some sort of tier s build? Could you share planner?

[flint turret]

Nah I don't have planner for it. But it's basically almost the same as dive build with valor but stacking throwing damage and cold damage with umbrals instead of traps and dive converted to shadow dive and dusk shrouds on dive. Or the same one as sd AA, but with capped crit and cold damage

[novel rune]

its the build that was pushed to 10k corruption last season

but the playstyle at that point is pretty degen

[wide yacht]

speaking of that, what would proc frenzy on a rogue? what sources i mean?

[sweet cloud]

Experimental mod?

[meager fern]

Nihilis

[novel rune]

puncture, bunch of uniques, experimental, black quiver tree

there are multiple sources

[wide yacht]

BD cascade could benefit greatly from frenzy, thinking about how it could work rn

doubling it with a high roll would be ideal

[flint turret]

Up to 40% attack speed with new relic is nice for cascade yeah

[novel rune]

nihilis gives frenzy on evade

[soft mauve]

Hi everyone, where would i get a base/flat fire spell damage on a theoretical Dragon Fire rogue build? theoretically

[flint turret]

Same as for any other spell on rogue - mourningfrost

[novel rune]

yes, its cold, but its what we got

[scenic otter]

Well hold on, that's not flat fire that's flat cold

But ye

[meager fern]

200 flat=200 dex ez starter viable

[scenic otter]

We don't really have other sources.

[flint turret]

You can also do it with ammy and belt but it's not worth it usually

[scenic otter]

I almost remmebered a tech, then got reminded that it's spell only.

[novel rune]

i generally like the cold version of HS the more i keep hearing about next season

[soft mauve]

im assuming uniques?
So if i used mourningfrost i'd stack elemental damage increases* instead of fire/cold?

[novel rune]

sounds dangerous

generic scaling

[flint turret]

Yeah, pretty much. But you will already have lots of generic increases from dex+passives like sharpshooter anyway

Damage per movement speed too

Damage while welding a bow

Uniques are confluence of fate and immolator belt

[soft mauve]

does the added flat need to have the same tags (spell/fire/both) to apply at 900% effectiveness or any added works?

[scenic otter]

Only skill type, so spell/melee/bow/throwing

[scenic otter]

Oh my god immo doesn't need a spell, just fire/necrotic

My life has been a minor lie

[flint turret]

Yep

[scenic otter]

I was going to mention the stupid "Immo+bleeding heart + Maehlin's" setup but that's spell only since bleeding only pops on spell.

[pulsar axle]

i didnt know flat added gets effected by added effectiveness, thats wild..

[scenic otter]

It's why added effectiveness even exists in the first place. It ONLY affects flat. But ANY source of flat.

[soft mauve]

how do i not die from immolator belt :D

[novel rune]

ailment cleanse

and leech

[scenic otter]

You shouldn't. The ignite the belt does is the base ignite, not boosted by anything.

[pulsar axle]

i thought it was referring to %added 😅

[scenic otter]

You lose the belt's bonus flat if you cleanse it.

[novel rune]

yeah, but you prob want to if you stop combat and have many stacks

[scenic otter]

Fair.

[novel rune]

i think the belt innately does it when you pot?

if i remember right

[flint turret]

It wouldn't matter actually, because they are both multiples

[scenic otter]

Yeah it does.

[soft mauve]

where can i find damage scaling for movement speed

[flint turret]

Rogue passive

[terse bloom]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEk6V4jA

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (30) / Falconer (55)

General:

▸ Health: 2,708, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 138.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 193 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 75% / 75% / 108% / 75% / 94% / 99%
▸ EHP: 16,956 / 16,956 / 16,956 / 22,737 / 16,956 / 18,840 / 19,268

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 542
▸ Dodge Chance: 60% (2583)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,432)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Throwing, Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smoke Bomb (24)
• Aerial Assault (26)
• Umbral Blades (24)
• Falconry (26)
• Dive Bomb (26)

Used unique items:

• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Shattered Worlds
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Null Portent
• Omnis
• Razorfall
• Peak of the Mountain
• Immortal Vise
• Talons of Valor
• Crystalwind
• Throne of Ambition

[vapid arrow]

Ended up doing some HS bleed marksman calculating, bleed stacks will go up to around 1,7k with this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4E0vN0o

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (63) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,315, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 166.78, Regen: 9.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 133 Dex / 15 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 57% / 122% / 89% / 51% / 88% / 87%
▸ EHP: 13,255 / 13,255 / 15,641 / 17,967 / 12,613 / 15,641 / 15,641

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 810
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2162)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,698)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 41%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Bow Mastery (5/5), Concentration, Crimson Shroud (3/3), Dusk Shroud (5), Frenzy, Haste

Used skills:

• Heartseeker (26)
• Puncture (22)
• Shift (21)
• Smoke Bomb (21)
• Net (22)

Used unique items:

• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Valdyr's Chalice
• Sanguine Hoard
• Omnis

[flint turret]

i dont really understand the synergies. why quiver for bow atatcks with no bow attacks in a build? why throne of ambition if you dont scale throwing damage and dusk shrouds for umbrals, why no falcon flat in passives if thats the main damage source? whats this build is supposed to do?

[soft mauve]

are there any other sources of FRENZY effect aside from boot experimental affix?

[flint turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/frenzy/sources

[soft mauve]

so in the current patch the effect of frenzy is pretty much just boots experimental thing

[wide yacht]

well i hope they really made evade feel better on online then lol, I'd hate to rely on that to proc it

[soft mauve]

i mean EFFECT of frenzy sorry

[meager fern]

sword catcher and boots affix yea

oh new uber abby relic too

thats gonna be a pain train to land 100% one when it rolls from 10% to that xdd

[serene crane]

10% roll... you dare to challenge my low rolls? 😄

[meager fern]

I'll share with you mine when friday comes 😆

god bless ehg for making fixed ms on blood of exile else I'd never be speedy in this lifetime

[novel rune]

at least we can divine items now

but you are gonna need to farm multiple shattered worlds for that

[flint turret]

you either way will for 1lp

[novel rune]

ye

then feed the 0lp into it

[flint turret]

into nemesis first

[novel rune]

true

i forgot how much we can actually do to items now

[flint turret]

yeah, crafting is insane in 1.2

[novel rune]

its also part of my CoF is tempting me

you can end up rng:ing crazy items that trade might never see

[terse bloom]

does crystalwind petrify work with AA umbrals?

[flint turret]

read the rest

[flint turret]

5-7 hits per hs with 20% to petrify on each hit for 2 seconds looks super strong vs bosses if it works tho

Just evade into hs into evade and permastun them

If stun duration also applied to this it's crazy

3-4s stun on every hs after evade, will need to try it out

[vapid arrow]

Yeeah, I'll probably start with bleed falcon and later swap out to this setup, this'll have more dps than pre-nerf bleed falcon

[flint turret]

You think so? Sounds big if true

[vapid arrow]

did calculations and the numbers go big fast

[novel rune]

first SC uber kill olio?

[vapid arrow]

will try to go for it at least

[novel rune]

nice

[flint turret]

Legacy will get 1st kill anyway

[novel rune]

i dont tend to care about standard/legacy in any arpg

only league is relevant to me

[scenic otter]

The announcement thing is only for cycle right?

[flint turret]

True

[novel rune]

its nice for testing stuff tho

[flint turret]

That one yeah

But it's for hc ssf

[scenic otter]

Ahhhh

[flint turret]

I need to get into save file editing, I'm coming up with much more stuff then I can try without it

[lament radish]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeN4kepB Any idea if this build can work?
Cinder Strike is here to boost Fire Damage and provide Dusk Shroud, and probably have good ignite dmg thank to dex "stacking"
Umbral Blades and Explosive Trap to burst bosses with huge amount of Dusk Shroud and high cooldown Trap that is suppose to release lots of ignite
It's totally experimental

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (25) / Bladedancer (67) / Falconer (21)

General:

▸ Health: 2,732, Regen: 150.8/s
▸ Mana: 110.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 88 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 107% / 81% / 91% / 64%
▸ EHP: 28,249 / 28,249 / 28,249 / 34,685 / 28,249 / 28,249 / 25,450

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 956
▸ Dodge Chance: 69% (3585)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,513)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 146%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Physical, Poison / Throwing, Melee, Bow

Buffs:

▸ Perfection (10/10), Rhythm (6), Dusk Shroud (15), Haste

Used skills:

• Cinder Strike (20)
• Umbral Blades (20)
• Explosive Trap (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Acid Flask (20)

Used unique items:

None

[scenic otter]

Wait, a rogue ignite and you didn’t use their best unique relic?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwVgjATMDsQ

[flint turret]

Usually it's not a good idea to mix scaling both hit damage and dot, because for hit you need flat and crit, while dot is the opposite

[lament radish]

I don't try to scale hit and dot?

just dot

[flint turret]

Ah I probably misread it then

[jagged knoll]

Is there a good just straight up explosive trap build? In PoE I loved trap builds so just looking for something like that

[flint turret]

My bad

[lament radish]

@scenic otter was a "non unique" build for starter

but ofc I will make a second planner with unique

[scenic otter]

Fair. The unique is common though-

[flint turret]

It can work as a concept probably, if we ignore the item choises. That's what I thought about earlier today almost. But I'm pretty sure it's much better on a falconer aa

[flint turret]

take a look maybe for some ideas #🔪┃rogue message

getting 12-20 ds per dive on a falconer is a whole another level of ds stacking

[lament radish]

Don't know falconer pretty well tbh, what dive bomb aa offer compared to bd?

[vapid arrow]

aight did the calcs and bleed HS goes to over 21m dps with at max 150m+ bleed pops. these numbers can go even higher depending on how well mana can be kept up

[novel rune]

damn

[flint turret]

4 dives with 3 shadows, and they repeat inside a smoke

up to 24 dusk per dive on a boss

[lament radish]

do you have any extra fire damage boost from your skills?

which cinder strike give

[flint turret]

i dont think that really matters considering the difference in MORE multipliers magnitude

30 dusk shrouds is almost 500% more damage for umbrals

[novel rune]

at that point you just want incr and flat

[flint turret]

its about dot build

[lament radish]

with this I can sustain 500% fire damage so idk

[novel rune]

oh DoT

idk then

havent really played DoTs since poison UB lol

[flint turret]

its increased, not "more"

the are multiplicative with each other

[lament radish]

ik

here too

that's why im asking

cinder strike will have lots of inc

[flint turret]

but cinder strike hits like 2 times compared to aa umbrals which hits like 50 times

[lament radish]

ye cinder is a part of my dmg, ub and explosive trap are suppose to help

[flint turret]

i still fail to see the purpose of using cinder tbh

[lament radish]

500% fire damage applied to trap and umbral blade and dusk shroud generator

[flint turret]

30 fire pen+ maybe like 150 to 300 inc damage while spamming cinder that deals almost no hits

how do you all 3 at the same time?

[lament radish]

?

[flint turret]

cinder, trap and umbral

[weary widget]

Scale loads of % increased fire damage and flat throwing and buff burning daggers to high heaven (spoiler: it still sucks)

[flint turret]

and what dusk shoud generatin are we talking about? DS on hit and thats it?

[lament radish]

you spam cinder until you get max oil coating stacks, then you use smoke to generate shadows to use umbral boost with all your dusk shroud + oil coating stack and then release your trap 12s

ds onhit ye

probably 3 per s with this gear

[weary widget]

My current cinder build has 1.4k increased fire, 500% crit multi, and a bunch of other stuff like throne of ambition, and it barely hits for 100k on the test dummy. It's damage could be doubled and it'd still suck

[flint turret]

dunno, i dont like how that sounds. cinder is literally the worst rogue ability to spam

using umbrals for ignite with dusk i like that part

[lament radish]

I know but +500% fire damage when you can generate dusk shroud at the same time, I just saw a good way to probably use ignite umbral blade

[flint turret]

500% fire damage doesnt justify dealing no damage while building it

[hasty elk]

If you take a conversion for net and also caltrops, does caltrops get converted

[lament radish]

that's why I also spec this to "deal damage" when I build my oil coating buff 😄

just don't know how this will work

[flint turret]

i mean... i just dont see the flow of what are you suggesting tbh, maybe you can explain to me? you go into a mono, meet a pack, start building up your stacks with cinder, smoke every pack? wait 3s for shadow generation for every pack? lose all stacks before you get to next pack? how does it play

[lament radish]

packs probably need less time to build like I only need 5 stack of oil then I use trap and umbral blade

building full stack of oil is just for bossing

[flint turret]

but you wont have shadows to use for umbrals and traps

its only generated by smoke

[lament radish]

ik, but I think that we don't even need shadows for packs

What I said is "optimal" dps for bossing

[flint turret]

so you bacically wanto to blow packs with cinder which is arguably the worst skill?

[lament radish]

cinder to 5 oil coating

then use traps

[flint turret]

and what does umbrals do then

[lament radish]

only for bossing

[flint turret]

i see

[lament radish]

I have " gameplay" for bossing

and other for mapping

[flint turret]

so cinder into traps for clear and cinder+smoke into umbrals for bossing?

[lament radish]

yes

[novel rune]

i have no memory of what amount of passives we are expected to have at each level. like when roughly do you got 15 points into first spec tree? and 30 points?

[lament radish]

main problem is the 12s cd on trap if I use the cooldown trap node

[flint turret]

well, it should work, at least for a low corr, othervise sounds pretty bad to me from the gameplay point of view

especially with 12s cd on main clearing skill

maybe spec traps into melee attach, add cold and light trap to it, add dusk shroud gen to trap, never use it directly, add sync instead of flask, and generally spam cinder into sync into umbral throw?

still sounds pretty bad but a bit better

[vale rampart]

Heartseaker will auto aim right? Got some RSI when I push to hard so auto aim/totems is very nice

[terse jolt]

yeah I'm going to be doing a crit/black quiver build

[scenic otter]

Yes it's effectively auto aim, but it helps to aim towards the enemy you want to hit.

[terse jolt]

to just throw ton of the things out

well, probalby

I might go triple fire

[valid sky]

guys I need the fastest/strongest Rogue build, I wanna blast all of the content first week, what would you recommend?

[terse jolt]

(So Fire dart helm for throw, cinder strike for attack, and fire bow for spell)

we don't know

the best build will probably take a minute to figure out

especially since you can respec entirely now

so it might require changing midrun

[hasty elk]

Shadow daggers last season was really strong

and good chance it'll still be

The super busted falcon build did get nerfed tho I think?

[valid sky]

are they makin a lot of balance changes this season? and how reliable are those maxroll tier lists?

[blazing finch]

The full patchnotes are out https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-tombs-of-the-erased-patch-notes/75247

And there is some shakeup, but not a lot. More enabling of new stuff than shutting down alot of other things. A lot of bugfixes so builds that used bugs or unintended interactions are dead/in line where they should be.

[terse jolt]

maxroll is iffy at the best of times I feel

lots of "This is definitnely the best" and then I look at the tree and go "so I can already see if nothing else leveling improvements"

[hasty elk]

Have they mentioned any limitations on interactions between heartseekers min recurve node and the puncture shooting node

[scenic otter]

Nope

[terse jolt]

nope

so don't do it

[boreal walrus]

[terse jolt]

unless you want to risk exploding your pc

"and I rolled 1 million, welp"

you wouldn't say this

because you'd be on fire and screaming

[hasty elk]

I like to live dangerously

[terse jolt]

Have you tried russian roullete, it'd be cheaper?

(realistically there is probably a cap, at least 20 because of node behind fire conversion but yeah)

[serene crane]

0/10 can recommend, but its playable on a single bullet with low minimal budget, however, If you want to really risk and flex, can go wild with 6 bullets

[vapid arrow]

you have to kill the target to get a puncture trigger, so the limitation is through monster count

which isn't too high

[terse bloom]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkV1ENDA

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (30) / Falconer (55)

General:

▸ Health: 3,169, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 138.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 190 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 85% / 85% / 108% / 75% / 94% / 99%
▸ EHP: 22,301 / 22,301 / 22,301 / 27,610 / 21,186 / 23,539 / 24,074

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 634
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2996)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,021)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Throwing, Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smoke Bomb (24)
• Aerial Assault (26)
• Umbral Blades (24)
• Falconry (28)
• Dive Bomb (26)

Used unique items:

• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Shattered Worlds
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Null Portent
• Omnis
• Razorfall
• Peak of the Mountain
• Talons of Valor
• Throne of Ambition

[terse bloom]

4 shadow falcons gonna be fun

[bold brook]

They were made for season 1, so they will be out of date. Their updated leveling guide for rogue is here https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/falconer-leveling-guide . It starts as falconer, and expects you to respec mastery after leveling to whatever you want.

If you wanted to play marksman the whole time im sure the old one could still be used to some extent, or you could find a different one like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkV2P7pyr5s

[serene crane]

Getting all resists to 115% so you get full DR from Null Portent might be pretty cool, but would probably need to get a lot of resist idols

[boreal walrus]

[flint turret]

Getting all of them that high seems like a waste, but getting phys to 115 seems pretty good

Elemental is also okay with some eleres, but those poison -necro-void are a bother to stack

[serene crane]

Ele resists should be super ez to get with the new idols 🤔

[flint turret]

Kinda true, but at a big opportunity cost

[serene crane]

But having two red rings active, Null active, death door active, concentration... idk what else uberroth relic too

[flint turret]

20 hp or 25 endu thresh or 6 eleres

[tepid anchor]

the itch to play HoA is getting stronger as the patch approaches

[flint turret]

or big bow dmg suffix, or some otehr awesome ones

[tepid anchor]

ffs i had so much issues with survivability last time i tried

how do rogue survive post 500 corrupt anyways

and when i say rogue i mean BD or marksman, cause falconer doesnt count

[serene crane]

Well, depends... 😄

[tepid anchor]

Cant have block because bow

[scenic otter]

Well.... if you try hard enough...

[tepid anchor]

Will have low ward if going curr life / ward / sec because low intelligence

I guess just stack life and leech and hope for the best with 100% glancing?

hope that moving + glancing + endurance + leech is enough

[flint turret]

+either armor or dodge or mix of both

[serene crane]

800corr and somehow I can run through Gaspar Harbringer's elemental beams without even getting below 50%... and not having capped ele resists 😄

[tepid anchor]

how do rogue scale armor?

you kinda have to decide between armor or dodge** no?

[flint turret]

not really

[serene crane]

Armor on gear, two blessings, 500 flat armor from Perfection stacks, Shurikens

[flint turret]

you can get both but usuall yyeah one is the main focus

[verbal junco]

Anyone cooking heartseeker? Thinking bleed or cold myself

[tepid anchor]

i wonder

if going low life

and trying to reach 85% dodge

is better than life + 100% glancing

[flint turret]

nah perfection sucks without dodge i wont count it in

[serene crane]

Yeee but should be able to get pretty high dodge anyway

[flint turret]

thats not really doable on bd, too low affix bufget for that. only if you manage to stack massive amount of dusk, and as bd you cant

going ward you drop mostly all dodge and armor

[serene crane]

afaik getting to 85% dodge is easier on druid than on rogue? 😄

I get to like, idk, 70-80% with Concentration on, Perfection on and 400 flat dodge from LM...

[flint turret]

well, you can still maintain decent amount of armor with LL if you went cleaver, but its gonna get nerfed by 50% in 1.2

[flint turret]

pretty good

[serene crane]

I could swap Pillager relic to Erased with +5 total to LM, it has a bit of flat dodge, so another 200 flat from LM and idk how much I would get from Shift

[flint turret]

i remembered i asked if you have a good showcase of your build video, do you? did i miss your answer?

[grizzled harbor]

There any good theorycrafted builds for Heartseeker yet? I'm considering hopping onboard the hype train for that.

[serene crane]

eh Ive only posted the one with bosses, no mapping

could probably do some I guess 😄

[flint turret]

ye go do some, lots of people asking about lm lately

[flint turret]

have you tried lookin in #🎥┃video-shoutout ?

[tepid anchor]

btw where are you seeing these affixes?

trying to find them in the rogue idols lol

[flint turret]

make sure you are looking in 1.2 version on letools

if not, migrate first

you will see them there

[tepid anchor]

yea i can see the enchanted affixes

i just dont see the bow one

is that for the large idol or something specific?

[tepid anchor]

oh

[flint turret]

new types of small and 2 slot idols

4 of them

[novel rune]

gonna be big rng to get good ones

if i remember right, you cant reroll these?

unlike the enchants

[tepid anchor]

like look

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXw4K9NB

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (21) / Marksman (59)

General:

▸ Health: 3,211, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 161.41, Regen: 20.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 68 Dex / 1 Int / 13 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 65% / 105% / 74% / 65% / 67% / 71%
▸ EHP: 13,118 / 11,925 / 13,118 / 15,140 / 11,925 / 12,146 / 12,613

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 642
▸ Dodge Chance: 20% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,887)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 99%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Throwing, Bow, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Coated Blades, Elemental Arrows (6/6)

Used skills:

• Hail of Arrows (24)
• Shift (20)
• Dark Quiver (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Shurikens (20)

Used unique items:

• Reign of Winter
• Crystalwind

[tepid anchor]

thats a pretty generous setup with HoA

Dunno if it survives tho

[tepid anchor]

whats your ehp

so i can compare

the best i could do while being generous with MM

missing 150% increased armor from shuriken ring but it wont change much

[pallid lake]

you are literally getting armor x2,5, of course it matters lol

[tepid anchor]

wonder how long it can go

[tepid anchor]

and youre taking 800 corruption?

wtf did something change while i was gone XDDDDD

or is that with high dodge or something and thats why youre fine there?

[serene crane]

no Perfection/LM dodge buffs 😄

[pallid lake]

high dodge would have been spotted in his ehp vs hit column

[tepid anchor]

maybe im underestimating the ehp im theoretically getting then and its going to be fine

[pallid lake]

spoiler: he does not, in fact, have high dodge

[serene crane]

with this on... idk If I can turn on LM+Shift Dodge

eh I even swapped relic for +4 to LM instead of +3, now I dont have Frailty on anything 💀

[flint turret]

yikes

[flint turret]

take it in the bd passives

[novel rune]

i like how when you look at VK EHP calcs and the EHP and EHP vs max hits is just the same

less rng

[serene crane]

Ye I probably very much could 😄

But the enemy's hit isnt real If you dont believe in the enemy's hit points 🤓

Ive tried one echo to run with open character pannel... and the echo was to the left side... what a pain

[flint turret]

talking like a falconer btw

[serene crane]

ah damn it, the virus is spreading

[flint turret]

trikster hs guide was interesting, i was a bit surprised that he unspecced puncture even tho he uses it with hs. But it also kinda makes sense becasue when i was looking into puncture tree, there is not too much things that work well with hs

still, 48% more damage and 40% phys penetration is not that bad

[pallid lake]

the very sad thing about puncture is the fact you can't really scale it if you are playing HS

hit based is going to have a trash crit chance

[flint turret]

why?

[pallid lake]

poison won't scale on armor shred

[boreal walrus]

[north tree]

Im not using Puncture for HS but will be using it as a mana gen

[pallid lake]

because you are going to calculate your final crit chance based on the +6% base

[flint turret]

i wouldnt take flat crit for hs

t7 on bow+peak and thats it

[north tree]

do we know if HS snapshots crit?

[flint turret]

wdym by snapshots crit

[north tree]

like if the first one crits they all crit or is each individual hit has a chance to crit

[flint turret]

should be all

like LM does

[tepid anchor]

okay changed a few things

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMak4ZLB

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (21) / Marksman (59)

General:

▸ Health: 3,313, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 132.61, Regen: 20.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 68 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 65% / 105% / 74% / 65% / 67% / 71%
▸ EHP: 19,832 / 18,029 / 19,832 / 27,778 / 18,029 / 18,363 / 19,069

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 663
▸ Dodge Chance: 23% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,100)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 105%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Throwing, Bow, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Bow Mastery (5/5), Coated Blades, Concentration, Crystalwind (4/8), Elemental Arrows (6/6), Haste

Used skills:

• Hail of Arrows (26)
• Shift (20)
• Dark Quiver (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Shurikens (20)

Used unique items:

• Crystalwind
• Dragonsong

[tepid anchor]

ready to be dissapointed yet again by hoa lfg

[pallid lake]

why do you leave 9 points open in shuriken

[tepid anchor]

you dont use it

proc with shift

for the buff

thats it

[bold brook]

you should have the pierce node tho

[tepid anchor]

only thing that matters is the +30% armor per shuriken

[tepid anchor]

makes it not consume the shuriken?

[pallid lake]

except without pierce it disappear

on hit

[bold brook]

ye

[tepid anchor]

ah good

do you guy sknow

if sleight of hand from shift

can proc the flip a coin node

[bold brook]

i dont think so

[tepid anchor]

for potentially more shurikens?

must be direct cast right

[bold brook]

not direct, but sleight of hand specifically throws 5 shurikens

flip a coin works with dancing strikes node for sure, but im pretty sure it doesnt with shift

[serene crane]

yep

[bold brook]

you could spend the extra points after the pierce node on getting chance to blind, im not really sure where else would be useful for you

[tepid anchor]

kinda w/e already getting 0% extra damage from crits

damage seems there

lets do some Vision™️ combo gameplay this next season

[serene crane]

bweh, 19min long mapping and stuff, maybe I overdid it with garbage 😄 definitely not any good clips, but I guess thats the point 😄

Buuut, I got another 2LP Last Steps from Nemesis and 2LP belt from Shade, so, win for me

[flint turret]

Belt 2lp is big

[flint turret]

Vid up?

[fresh hawk]

Yo I havent played in a while, is shadow dagger still good or has it been shit on

Last time I played was 1.0 patch

Cant find any SD on tierlists

[serene crane]

still uploading, then some processing, but ye 😄 in a bit
https://youtu.be/dQC86-NE0Ko

ANd idk why, but my dumb Shadowplay still keeps picking up my mic even with push to talk...

[fresh hawk]

I made the switch to medal a few weeks ago and its crazy how much better it is

shadowplay cooks my PC but I dont notice medal

[scenic otter]

Still the same thing.

[serene crane]

Ive only tried OBS some time ago but the footage was super laggy and Shadowplay works pretty fine for me, just this mic issue is here since some recent update... its just Nvidia being Nvidia 🥔 I guess 😄 and since I usually mute the clip and put a music over it, its whatever

[silent relic]

Is reen shadow cascade bd workable now that shadow daggers can stack reen?

[flint turret]

Click click click click

[serene crane]

The only thing that will get bullied harder than Aberroth in 1.2 will be my keyboard 😭

[flint turret]

Looks great, huge dodge buffs

Perfection close to 100% uptime

[serene crane]

Ye the dodge is pretty nice... but since I kinda greed more for damage than defense, it still can die very easily with this 😄 and no crit avo at all, but usually its a boss attack that crits which would oneshot me anyway 😄

[flint turret]

Orobyss killed by woof woof

Dat timing bruh

[chrome wren]

is LP different tiers of gear?

[serene crane]

1LP Uberroth relic and I can slam +4 to LM there, which will be nice for the 4/4 800flat dodge LM, I got 3x 2LP Penumbras so ezpz t7 %phys and hopefully life or something, so I could try 2LP Titan with t7 +2mirages and like t5 Sd pen 🤔 also Somnia with some nice vitality implicit, 200 flat life from lv100...

[chrome wren]

you may as well spoke martian with that sentence lmao

[scenic otter]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/legendary_items

[serene crane]

LP is Legendary Potencial, so when you go craft legendary item (in Temporal Sanctum dungeon after the boss, you need orange unique item with 1LP or higher and purple exalted item of the same type with 4 non-sealed affixes)... so basically LP says how many affixes will be "randomly" put onto the unique... in the next patch you can guarantee one affix to put onto the unique If you run Temporal Sanctum dungeon on tier2 or higher

[chrome wren]

oh so endgame game is crafted? cool

[serene crane]

Yeee pretty much... some items are easier to find with (high) LP, some are harder... some suuuper hard 😄

[chrome wren]

so when im looking at these potential builds that have full red gear, its gonna be a grind

[serene crane]

Depends on the item 🤔 right now in this patch, its basically a gamble... you can have 3LP unique and that one affix you really want can still miss 😄 in 1.2, you can 100% guarantee to have that one wanted affix to hit

[abstract hamlet]

Lastepochtools.com has drop rates to every unique and where they drop

[flint turret]

Not really. In upcoming patch they are adding the guarantee affix transfer to a legendary, so wast majority of red items with 1 transferred affix(or even 2) will be really easy, except some super rare items like red rings or aberroth drop

But if you see planners with lots of 2-3-4 lp items, then it's a flag that's it's a super endgame

[chrome wren]

kk

[dusky schooner]

Is the egg thing staying in to upgrade 0lp items?

[serene crane]

ye

[flint turret]

Dunno bro, I'd drop somnia whatsoever for the new helmet without any second thought

[serene crane]

The very human designed 440armor one?

[flint turret]

Yeah

If you somehow manage to slam it with t7 pen and crit reduction, that's insane

[serene crane]

Yeee I guess its worth trying 😄

-17... bruh...

[silent relic]

This looks sweet! Are you specced into shadow cascade at all/do you have a rough planner?

[flint turret]

You should be able to find planner somewhere in this thread for it but fr, add it in the video

[serene crane]

Ye Shadow Cascade with the daggers for Sd, should also put one point in Spell Breaker in BD tree, buuut.... Im too lazy to go to the npc
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0aNvmzB

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Rogue (31) / Bladedancer (54) / Marksman (20) / Falconer (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,432, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 114.81, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 37 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 107% / 67% / 77% / 100% / 100% / 44% / 84%
▸ EHP: 7,362 / 6,817 / 7,362 / 7,982 / 8,462 / 5,620 / 7,362

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 555
▸ Dodge Chance: 33% (1139)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (778)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Cold / Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (22)
• Shift (22)
• Shadow Cascade (22)
• Lethal Mirage (26)
• Smoke Bomb (22)

Used unique items:

• Somnia
• Titan Heart
• Black Blade of Chaos
• Ravenous Void
• Shattered Chains
• Stymied Fate
• Penumbra
• Penumbra
• Nihilis

[flint turret]

Relic triggers me a bit ngl

[serene crane]

ye its crap 😄 but I havent really looked for any better one

[flint turret]

In 1.2 you will be able to slam it into anything, Abby or anchor

So all good

[serene crane]

I dont think I even want Anchor 🤔 more endurance is pretty much easier to trigger Ravs, no?

[flint turret]

But that not necessarily a bad thing either, 6 stacks of ravs

Huge one-shot protection

[serene crane]

Or 4LP Grimorie? 60-80health, some flat necro damage to melee

[flint turret]

Twisted heart is another option instead of anchor, but since you don't have any endu I'd say anchor is better

Going from 20 endu to 60 endu is huge Dr increase overall

From 5% Dr to 30% dr

[steel zinc]

You gonna be playing this season?

[serene crane]

Ye I got a lot of 1LPs for Anchor and Twisted around... just would need to farm for exalted +4LM relics 💀 but Uberroth would be BiS Id say... like overall 😄 Erased relic is kinda sweet too, buuuut getting that with +4LM and something good on top is just pain... I got only 1 like that 😄

[flint turret]

If you don't cap endu with something else, I don't see Abby relic being better

You don't need crit, you don't need attack speed, you don't really need stats

Less damage taken implicit is good but much less then endu, +1 skill is decent

Slamming t7 endu on penumbra actually looks really good

[wide yacht]

also nihilis is a realistic pick even more casual players now, no? since he's getting nerfed

[flint turret]

For sure

[serene crane]

+stats for more dex, +1 to skills so Rending Darkness goes to 4/4 for 800 flat dodge... and extra +1 to Shift so 40 dodge per dex.... now I have 37dex and only 1 point there, so 740 dodge? 🤔 that would actually be a looot of dodge

[flint turret]

Yeah Abby looks better overall if you slam endurance on ring

[serene crane]

This is honestly tilting me a lot... Critical opening being locked behind 6 useless bleed nodes and not rather the branch above for more damage

[flint turret]

True

[serene crane]

Can definitely try 😄 one 2lp with t7phys and another one, idk, t7 endu? or both with t7 phys and gamble for 1/3chance for endu

[fresh hawk]

would SD BD lose to much damage by not going duel-wielding?

[flint turret]

T7 endu +really whatever for t5, and you can get the remaining 5 endu from idols

[serene crane]

also 50-80 armor shreds on dummy... kinda alright for only having Hooked Blades... 1/5 in Spell Breaker is probably enough but not really perma 3frailty stacks, buuuut should be fiiiine

[flint turret]

I would even go further and say second penumbra is t7 phys res and swap blessing for armor % almong tundra helm

Or actually t5 will be enough

You are overcapped anyway

Huge armor

[serene crane]

Yeee could maybe do

[novel rune]

surely we get sentinel-style rework like next patch for passives and skills

copium

[flint turret]

And t7 dodge % nihilis up to 100 almost

Stonks

Easy double ehp with couple swaps

[serene crane]

the one I have rn is from Nemesis, got quite nice nice rng there I would guess I'll get quite a lot of Nihilis and Black Blades in 1.2... 204 eyes... well 205 now 😄

[flint turret]

Jesus Christ

[serene crane]

Idk If its official or not, but someone has said Acolyte might be next, especially reaper? But who knows

[serene crane]

#👑┃item-showcase message

[flint turret]

Swap to mg and become a crypto bro