🐺┃primalist

[sly bobcat]

yeah it's just a Bm aftershock build triggered with upheaval

[mossy coral]

The belt they fixed finally

[sly bobcat]

the buffs for upheaval were good

oh yeah and the belt

kuzco's belt. the belt specifically for kuzco

[mossy coral]

🦙

[sly bobcat]

also i was thinking bladedancer's rework. she has 10 parry on the tree

[mossy coral]

This

[wise leaf]

is a little scary

[mossy coral]

Just walk it off

[sly bobcat]

just don't take damage 4hed

[wise leaf]

that's a lot of increased when you're prolly doing like 400 frenzy effect

[mossy coral]

It's just increased and not more

[sly bobcat]

where's my big brain emote

[mossy coral]

Where's the mods

[sly bobcat]

the more melee damage with frenzy effect seems juicy though

that's like 75% more with 400 effect

or a little lower if you're bad at RNG and don't max roll your belt

[mossy coral]

Btw is the leech as dmg affected by resistances and whatnot?

[wise leaf]

no overleech makes the health leech effect so bad

JUST LET US HAVE THE CURRENT HEALTH LOST OVERLEECH MECHANIC EHG

[sly bobcat]

is lich the only way to overleech now

[mossy coral]

I was gonna suggest this as an angle but I remember you were using catcher

[mossy coral]

Isn't the leech stopping when she reaches 50%? 🤯

[sly bobcat]

not if you ahve the node that says leech stops at 66%

or it's not supposed to at least

[mossy coral]

Wow, I thought that just meant for when you didn't want the 50% node

Where's the brain emote

[sly bobcat]

yeah i think if you don't have that node, it stops when her health is full like anyone else. if you have the max health limiter, then you're full at 50% of your max health

[mossy coral]

Insane, mega broken tbh

Because you can fill your endurance threshold to your max health too

[sly bobcat]

I mean i think it might literally be broken. there's a lot of stuff related to Corrupted Form that just don't work

[mossy coral]

Overleech on top of that sounds extremely good

[wise leaf]

sigh

do i just say screw it

and do some shit like mana stacker EQ

is it even worth it

[mossy coral]

Possible to do swipe werebear

[sly bobcat]

you could help me make my wind shaman build good

[mossy coral]

combined with corrupt mod, if you'll get that

[sly bobcat]

it has killed abby

that's about all it has going for it. the build is pretty bad haha

[mossy coral]

Abby is pretty good though

[wise leaf]

hmmm

[sly bobcat]

i got observer to like 60%

[mossy coral]

Wow the 10% for wolves to cast a stormbolt really isn't happening a lot, it deals a lot of damage though

Between 2-34 hits for it to trigger, lol

I think it's bugged

[wise leaf]

ah

yes

[mossy coral]

Ancestral pack is triggering more often

[wise leaf]

acolyte gets better minion CDR then we do

excellent

their 1x3 idol gives more minion cdr than our 1x4

wait nvm i don't actually care about minion CDR

i need regular CDR

but in way too high an amount

[mossy coral]

For what?

[wise leaf]

re-examining primal resonance solo raptor

[mossy coral]

I'm so glad I didn't try to build around storm bolt wolves, 34 hits or back to back is way too inconsistent

[wise leaf]

looking at 100% rampage uptime

need 50% cdrs

[mellow kestrel]

lol I’m using the totem shatter build right now and crit multi is at 700%

Whoever came up with this is genius

@near leaf ?

[mossy coral]

Isn't 32% CDR enough? That brings swipe down to 1.5 second CD

[wise leaf]

no no

using swipe for CDR reset is a bigger investment than 50% cdr lol

[near leaf]

I have been a big fan of the build since 1.1 but I can't say it's from me.
First person I saw play it was Jay the Product on yt
But I am sure he wasnt the only one

[wise leaf]

the ideal is you just... cast it

on cooldown

[mellow kestrel]

Oh ok, what’s ur spelll crit multi at?

[mossy coral]

But it will always trigger rampage no?

[wise leaf]

it will

but as i said

that's a whole specialisation slot

[mossy coral]

Is it the fact you don't like using swipe for CD?

[wise leaf]

well i also need to be doing the melee stacking

so i want a spammable melee too

[mossy coral]

Ah yeah, that's wonky then

[near leaf]

316% pré Swipe

[high pewter]

so...when you maul/summon totems/upheaval...you are only supposed to get 6 stacks of bleed right?

not 12?

[mossy coral]

yeah

[high pewter]

so wtf am i getting 12?

what did i break?

[mossy coral]

Nah it's normal

[near leaf]

"normal"

[high pewter]

but...why?

explain it to me like i am 5

[near leaf]

🐛 🦗 🪲

[high pewter]

ugh

[mossy coral]

Its more or less double casting or counting leap twice cause upheaval is also using leap tree

Or well something like that

[mellow kestrel]

Wait why am I at nearly 700% from following planner

Albeit some of my gear lacks defense stuff

[tardy frost]

le LE being LE

[mossy coral]

Wait is there an option to make dmg numbers have commas?

That guy who played scorpion maelstrom had it in the video he linked, I don't have that

Can't even find an option for it

[wise leaf]

is like that by default for me ._.

[mossy coral]

It just says 10 000 000 for me

Or rather 10000000

[high pewter]

they just added that this season, its supposed to change with w/e language settin you have i think

[mossy coral]

Maybe it's not changed cause I'm on legacy? Eng too

[high pewter]

perhaps. i have commas on mine

[mossy coral]

Oh wow I didn't realize swipe also trigger Lynx, which is 60% extra crit multi

Give me commas too 😭

[wise leaf]

you mean through companion ability proc?

[mossy coral]

Yeah since swipe procs it when you have primal resonance

[wise leaf]

yeah

[near leaf]

Dunno

[patent dock]

Maul triggers Laup's twice (just a bug)

[mossy coral]

This system is getting to me, lvl req was 62, got str to t5, a t3 and gotta wait again..

Can't wait to reach 69, add one affix and wait 6 lvls again

[mellow kestrel]

Do you guys like sword catcher ? + 6 skills

[mossy coral]

Its an alright weapon, I think there's better choices unless you really need the points

[mellow kestrel]

True I do like the party aspect

[wise leaf]

the problem is that with EQ kinda dead there's no melee skill that really needs those points

[mossy coral]

I mean there's mana efficiency, it's a pretty point hungry tree

Can also skip using +4 to EQ on helmet for something else

I gotta say though, wolves are really smooth and carves 100c like butter

[candid topaz]

I just checked the ladder and the first primalist that shows up is at rank 81... thats not very healthy for the game is it?

[mossy coral]

Really strong class

[winter ivy]

Softcore ladder has Druid at 20. Hardcore has Druid in 2nd.

[candid topaz]

I am in the game and mine shows 6th for shaman and 81 for softcore in corruption

[winter ivy]

Yes, Shaman is 81. Still better than most masteries. I think things would look reasonable without Bladedancer.

[candid topaz]

Kinda makes my point of unhealthy right?

[winter ivy]

I didn't disagree with the point, just the statement that the first Primalist is rank 81.

[mossy coral]

I think bear nerf had a big factor in the ladder

[winter ivy]

I'm surprised mages are uncommon on the upper ranks given that Spellblade got reworked. New things are usually popular

[fervent pine]

flame reave is a bit more popular this season but the rework wasn't really impactful outside of that sadly

[mossy coral]

Might be cause of bugs

[winter ivy]

oh no... is it that bad?

[mossy coral]

Wait you can't buy this from the vendor?

Huh I guess not

That's weird

[mossy coral]

I heard it's pretty bad, flame reave is probably good anyways, it was great when I played it last patch but it's most likely spellblade using spells that are bugged

[patent dock]

Right, this and the two gloves are drop only

[mossy coral]

Dang

[sly bobcat]

toast you're the resident bugman expert, for the frostbite build do you basically just stack as much attunement as possible for the freeze rate node and then use snowdrift?

[patent dock]

Yeah, and then basically stack a bunch of ele DOT since you get no % inc from attunement

[mossy coral]

Both a blessing and a curse 😭

[sly bobcat]

armblade slash doesn't get inc from attunement?

or are you mostly applying the frostbites through bolts

[patent dock]

Oh, I just assumed you were popping storm bolts from tornado, yeah armblade slash does

[sly bobcat]

in maelstrom and nado

ah kk. yeah that makes sense

so ele dot on rings/weapon where you can get it, attunement everywhere else?

[patent dock]

Yeah, without going through the effort of minmaxing, I think that will get you pretty good

[sly bobcat]

i figured frostbite might be a little bit better than my wind tempest build so i might farm for the gold to swap to druid for it. i've got a ton of attunement gear already so might as well give it a shot

[patent dock]

in theory, probably most stuff should be better than wind tempest 🥲

[patent dock]

Hah, now me too

[sly bobcat]

i was gonna use apathy to solve mana issues on wind tempest because in theory I could have sustained the Attuned Slam node with 48 mana regen

except I have like 230% inc attack speed with tempest strike and 120+ attunement

[mossy coral]

I'm gonna get it again

Void res, not that I need it but sure

Lovely min roll, my luck is crazy

The ww items dropped be like: 12,10,12,12,10,21,18,14,21,15. The 18,15,21 was sentinel/boots.
Rest are all low ww primalist relics

Is this a sign to play VK void cleave?

[mossy coral]

Why on earth do I need to be close to Sabertooth for it to flurry swipes when I swipe

[wise leaf]

ugh

man sabertooth never has things working right

[mossy coral]

Oh it's for every companion, it's based of distance to them, if you're not close enough it's not triggering its skill

[wise leaf]

?

hadn't noticed that with scorp

[mossy coral]

Ok nevermind again, now it works like intended, just not for sabertooth...

Ok nevermind me, it works, I just had the extra wolf companion and it was closer to me. Forgot you don't lose all wolves when you remove them from your hotbar

It's a real shame you can't have more than 100% spirit wolf chance

No fun allowed

Alright spirit wolves makes no sense, it can hit from 17k to 165k crits on dummy

[wise leaf]

upheaval is the most no fun allowed skill tho

[patent dock]

Dummy has no damage variance, but multiple hits in the same very short window (like same frame-ish) are combined into one number

[mossy coral]

It shouldn't, it's just 1 hit

[patent dock]

If you only have 1 wolf out and it's not also attacking yeah

[mossy coral]

Was too big so had to split it in 2

I think I know what it is, but Idk how that could make any sense, wolf is dealing 9k crits but when it howls it gets a lot more damage usually and can hit up to 100k
Could be some weird stuff cause that one is from permanent bond, the other 5 are disabled

It's attacking the air what the

Yeah I've no idea, it does no damage before howl, after howl it deals 85k, all wolves seems to be like this

[proud grotto]

You do know that the wolves howl grants multiplicative melee damage right (25% more melee damage to itself & it's allies.)

Also what is your wolves skill tree looking like?

[mossy coral]

Yeah that's why I want it to trigger howl constantly with swipe

But 1 wolf, 1 howl and the damage goes from 9k to 85k? That doesn't seem right, it's also all over the place. Can be 20k, 45k, 80k, 145k. Not consistent

It's not the stormbolt either, it deals more than that

Even with single companion nodes on passive tree it can be from 100 - 670k

Its like sometimes things applies and sometimes it doesn't

[proud grotto]

Note: Legendary Bite & Savage Hunters are both multiplicative (you can bet that will be fun.) & because snarl adds on extra multiplicative melee damage to the howl ability it performs.
Is there anything in your composition that is affecting your minions critical damage multiplier on the other hand outside of the skill specializations?
Also, the damage of the spirit wolves themselves via lupine attunement in the swipe tree has added damage applied at 150% effectiveness.

[patent dock]

This is a west wind setup, no?

Your wolves are going to do very little damage until you pop the west wind buff and then do very little when it drops off

[mossy coral]

Yeah it could be the helmet but Im not sure, I think I always proc it

Ill try tomorrow by spamming TS to be sure

[proud grotto]

Fun fact about summon bear: when you have the forceful swipes node, & you have the Umjol's Guidance node in swipes specialization tree, the summon bear skill gets the lightning tag without needing the Storm Beast node?

[limpid veldt]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/upheaval-beastmaster-guide

upheaval 10 mana cost :)))

I see some syngery with brutality and rampancy here

[near leaf]

So you are playing around spell wolves?

[near leaf]

🎣

[fair pulsar]

Besides reflect shaman, what's a good build that can consistently clear the 3 omen fight?

[wise leaf]

i really should figure out a good setup for LLward scorp

just looking at 4lp chains of uleros for <1mil

[fervent pine]

probably tornado, that's what I'm gonna do if I don't burn out by the time I feel like leveling a primalist this season

[fair pulsar]

Ah

I wanted to try the sabertooth build and when I saw the 5 omen idol requirement I'm like... Shit can sabertooth even clear the 3 omen fight lol

But yeah tornado does sound reliable

[near leaf]

5 omen idols requirement ???

Is that maxroll lastest pet peeve ?

You dont need 5 omen idols to start a build

[wise leaf]

i feel like sabertooth wouldn't be particularly good for the fight due to its lack of AoE

but it prolly could do it, with or without 5 omen idols

[raven sluice]

I'm confused. My shaman can barely kill riftbeast champions echo in 200c, but got through all the omen echoes given a try or two? Do you just mean like doing it fast?

If the thing is you don't wanna fight for 20 minutes per time you farm it, then I guess it makes sense

[fair pulsar]

Behold

But ya I can probably replace like 4 of those omen idols with a 1x4 idol instead

[near leaf]

Yeah thats not a requiremet

Thats the endgame gear

You dont start at endgame

You start at starting

[tranquil lintel]

I cleared 3xOmens on a sabertooth bleed build id just thrown together from my stash earlier that day

[fair pulsar]

And surely I don't need those 5 omen idols to kill Uber right?

[wise leaf]

those idols are pretty much just damage no?

so no

[tranquil lintel]

and my idols were all setup for bleed or increased aspect of the boar. So you defitnley dont need all of the minion attack speed ones

[wise leaf]

it'll just take longer

[fair pulsar]

Mainly health regen + attack speed yeah

[tranquil lintel]

thoughts on something like this as the primordial for DoT aftershocks?

that's not in-game btw

just thinking about it

[limpid veldt]

No, someone killed uberroth in season 3 already which do not need any omen idols?

[fair pulsar]

Niceee

There's so many cool builds I wanna try lol

[high stratus]

AS idols are the best way to do aftershocks and that is sloooowww

you'd have to do that meme rampage bear thing I think

[limpid veldt]

For me, avalanche scopion or self cast scopion now

I want one of them

[slim finch]

bangla

Game is TOO easy...

[raven sluice]

I didn't realise set weaver ammy + LE was a thing people had actually hyped and that was meta (though on another class). Makes sense though I guess

Just a shame that the ring has the armor mod, but ammy skill lvl and crit multi mod but the crit multi doesn't apply to minions

So I don't actually have a use case

Once I'm done lvling

Can't use it with apathy unless reforged set ammy. You probably wanna scale str or int cuz cleaver. Not minion or DoT. Does that leave any use case in primalist other than shatter totem (which I got the impression people do)?

[tranquil lintel]

it gives you crit chance per 40 stats not crit multi

so its an easy way to cap crit whilst also getting plus skills if you're using cleaver

and if you're playing with entwined just the amulet alone is a completed set

[raven sluice]

Yeah

I realised after rereading ammy I got it wrong. This was stronger than I remembered

But what use cases are there in primalist?

Non-minion crit builds that scale of str and don't need apathy?

That's like, earthquake, upheaval (shatter totem), swipe, TS, GS melee part (non-viable), swipe, werebear stuff?

Something swarmblade?

[limpid veldt]

hmm

I wonder if there is a good build for rayeh's embrace

the problem is, primalist has zero fire support in its passive tree

and spriggan seems like a supporter rather than dmg dealer

[tranquil lintel]

think it used in some of the werebear builds i've seen posted in here too

[tranquil lintel]

ok, its slow but if you gear for AS and use wolf, warcry and frenzy totem its not terrible

[limpid veldt]

melee or spell lightning wolf?

[patent dock]

If there was a better way to scale crows and spriggan at the same time, it would have more potential

[raven sluice]

Do you guys think 2 squirrels could help clear on a spriggan form thornshield summon bear bleed build? Or would they just make targeting thorn shield on the bear harder?

Scurry gives phys res shred and big life, so it's not a bad item

[patent dock]

It would just make targeting bear harder, bear already hits a big area and squirrels have terrible clear

[raven sluice]

Fair

[tranquil lintel]

squirrels are good for single target

[raven sluice]

Ah

Then I might use scurry, but not any wolf

[patent dock]

Yeah, they are, as long as you can reliably target bear with shield though - which will be very difficult

[raven sluice]

Yeah, targeting EB on saber when you have a frenzy totem is pain imo. And then frenzy totem is just an active ability that doesn't move from where you place it

I wish you could setup your skills to have a default target or something

I'd pay a node for a config where you could just say:
EB/thornshield is no longer a targeted ability and automatically targets only your spriggan/bear/sabertooth/yourself/raptor/wolf(wolves)/scorp/or whichever

Or several nodes

A numeric bonus just cuz feels better wouldn't hurt, but nowhere near necessary

They could put a node behind solo companion node in BM. Your default companion always takes your buffs

[patent dock]

I suspect Cookbook would kill for this

[raven sluice]

Me too lul

[patent dock]

I'd totally run some insaneo apathy stacking crowstorm teleport build if they ever let us auto-target companions with EB

[raven sluice]

Would be giga neat

Question is, should all your companions get it? Or bonus wolves don't count? Quad squirrel thornshield would probably be very strong, unless it just applied to 1 or 2

[raven sluice]

Solo giga crow flicker strike, sounds fun

[patent dock]

Maybe run bone pack logic - targets highest level companion, or closest when tied

would be best if it didn't require a solo node, that way pack companions don't get the shaft

[mossy coral]

No they suck, 10% to trigger bolt isnt good enough, seems bugged too with proc rate

[mossy coral]

Melee, spell is bait

[tranquil lintel]

how do you determine wether a builds damage output is good?

boss dummy kill time?

[patent dock]

Yeah, or any other way of determining total DPS like a spreadsheet

[mossy coral]

Might be the helmet actually, makes sense then

[raven sluice]

Fair. As long as they can balance it for multi-companions as well

[mossy coral]

Omg fantastic, the helmet is applying the buff on 1 wolf despite it saying "wolves" it also can't trigger more than once/second.....

Bugged builds!?

[raven sluice]

I think it would probably make scorp and saber just play smoother with EB, and thornbear play smoother with thornshield. All 3 builds are decent but somewhat clunky atm, from my experience (and for scorp what I assume). But storm crows are still kind of OP afaik?

[raven sluice]

Damn, that's annoying. Does it buff unbuffed wolf automatically or do you have to move to buff both?

[mossy coral]

You can also play swipe primal resonance instead of EB

[raven sluice]

True

But not when thornshield

Also swipe is melee, CD, doesn't buff companion

[high stratus]

lightning wolf helmet?

that's quite the bug

[mossy coral]

It buffs a wolf, can refresh the buff on the same wolf which isn't doing anything, its on hit and doesn't need to be a melee attack, also doesn't need to be a lightning skill which it says on the helmet

[raven sluice]

Damn

Does it buff random wolf?

[mossy coral]

Yeah, it's forcing you to play with either 1 wolf or 2 to actually function. I was wondering why the wolves did zdps and giga dps

[high stratus]

I stand by this

[mossy coral]

yeah a random wolf

[raven sluice]

Man

Is there sources of shock duration anywhere?

[mossy coral]

EVERY BUILD I DO

EVERY SINGLE ONE XD

[raven sluice]

And if there is, do they even work?

[tranquil lintel]

So many bronken uniques

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/shock/sources idk

[mossy coral]

I don't think so

Or you mean in general? I think it's on a few uniques

[raven sluice]

This is just so odd

[raven sluice]

Meant in general yeah

But how do you make items with so complicated but completely miscommunicated functionality over and over. It's like a systemic problem

[high stratus]

there's shock duration on the sorc passive tree, go play sorc

[raven sluice]

Someone made the description and wrote a summary to a coder who just randomly put claude on it

[mossy coral]

There's that lightning boots and ocearon from what I can think of at the top of my head

[raven sluice]

Problem is claude was running in turkish

[mossy coral]

I guess the mage staff that has 1:1 per int

You speak turkish no problem

[raven sluice]

2 of my classmates speak turkish

[mossy coral]

Oh there's also weaver idols 1x2

[raven sluice]

Hmm

[mossy coral]

Should be up to 20%

[raven sluice]

Hmm

Not what you wanna put idols on

[mossy coral]

Well you can also get ward/second on those

This game and its buggs, I can hardly call it a balance thing either

I wonder how long it has been like this

[raven sluice]

Maelstrom has had conflicting info about it's duration for as long as I've been playing

Buff tooltip and skill tooltip say 8s vs 7s or something

[high stratus]

weaver idol prefix

[high stratus]

tunklab says 7s

[left cliff]

What are my options for generating Storm Stacks in Bug form when I have 0 stacks? Is it just the unique Belt and 2hMace?

[mossy coral]

Yes

[left cliff]

Nuts.

Thanks

[patent dock]

There's also specced avalanche

[left cliff]

Can't have both can you?

[high stratus]

nah bug is druid exclusive and avalanche is shaman exclusive

[mellow kestrel]

Hi

[mellow kestrel]

Aaron is at 1200 corruption using it

[crude breach]

how much for primalist pants?

[mossy coral]

3 fiddy

[high stratus]

surely this chat hasn't given you the impression that primalist can afford pants? he can't even afford crit

[left cliff]

Why do you need pants in the first place? 🤔

[mossy coral]

Gotta wear no pants to be barbaric

I'm so bummed out about west wind, why can't it just work

[high stratus]

---> #🔪┃rogue

[mossy coral]

100% block chance?

They're broken? Idk what you mean by that

[high stratus]

From glancing blow converted to block

Anyway I wasn't asking you for build advice I meant go play rogue the bugs are helping not hurting them lol

[mossy coral]

I've tried doing this in the past, if I'm not mistaken you won't have any block but you will have 100% glancing blow instead

[high stratus]

H2o has a video showing it working

[mossy coral]

Yeah that's fair, I bet the bugs they have is on the upside lol

[mossy coral]

I did this in the past and I had no block xD
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br3KzDNo

[unkempt thistle]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 2: Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (35) / Bladedancer (23) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (24)

General:

▸ Health: 2,800, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 132.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 55 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 84% / 114% / 66% / 66% / 69% / 34%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 42%, Threshold: 980
▸ Dodge Chance: 32% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,830)
▸ Block Chance: 67%, Mitigation: 54% (2,410)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 100%

Used skills:

Detonating Arrow / Explosive Trap / Shift / Shurikens / Acid Flask

[mossy coral]

Pretty cool that H2o had it working now but for falconer, neat

[high stratus]

He did it in 1.3 with legends entwined so maybe they fixed something

[mossy coral]

yeah this was in tombs

[high stratus]

His video shows his block chance going up with dusk shrouds and triggering shuriken etc

[mossy coral]

It could also be shield affix is different from falconer passive, but it should be the same lol

I'm pretty sure they were the same back then though, I remember testing both

This is the worst feeling ever

[crude breach]

what happened

[near leaf]

Then I would change some stuff around in your tree

[sly bobcat]

TFW you finally move from your leveling weaver relic into a better one without skill levels

[mossy coral]

Yeah I am, I was testing stuff to report it

But man, west wind bug is killing me 😑

[near leaf]

Bug?

[mossy coral]

If you don't wanna scroll up it's giving 1 random wolf the buff, can refresh the buff on the same wolf so you can't play with more than 1-2 wolves

[near leaf]

Oo

Wtf, that new

[mossy coral]

Its supposed to give all of them the buff

Every build I do is bugged, I'm cursed

[unreal field]

Anyone an idea how “solve” mana reg for gathering storm with excited bolts as shaman?

Playing melee with very high amount of storm stacks.

[mossy coral]

Playing low life with apathy can help

[left cliff]

Do Baby Scorps benefit from the other Scorp tree nodes?

[unreal field]

Yes, thought about that but would require stacking int as well right?

Stacking attunement already for storm bolt flat and flat armor. But for low life I would lack ward retention I assume

[high stratus]

I specialised baby scorps offline and didn't even see them spawn

idk what does/doesn't work

[near leaf]

Not really, idk what your primordial is but architect of astral blood will make you a lot of ward

[mossy coral]

Don't really need to there's gloves, body, boots to give missing health as ward, can use strands belt for ward retention with xintra amulet for potion to ward and there's also astral blood primordial and that will solve low life for you

[high stratus]

int retention is barely worth it now

[mossy coral]

^

[high stratus]

the ward formula changes really devalued retention (I think? I'll confess I don't know the ward mechanics inside out) AND they made int give half as much

it's harder to sustain really high values of stable ward now which seems to be the entire value proposition of retention

[crude breach]

tell it to frostbite stacking druid...I get basicaly 1K ward every second

[high stratus]

I didn't say ward sucked, I said retention is worse than it was and int doesn't give enough of it to be worth investing in as a way of getting ward ret

[unreal field]

Great points, thanks a lot. Currently playing HC with 5k life and a lot of leech with storm breaker. Switching to low life would be scary but I’ll start collecting.
Solving mana would be huge for this build. And low life would mean more damage reduction as well

[high stratus]

twisted heart is decent

[sly bobcat]

yeah if you've got the int incidentally for whatever reason, then it's pretty good for covering your retention bases. Like using cleaver, or just stacking it for damage

[mossy coral]

RIP cleaver

[high stratus]

did the paladins getting like 100k ward from healing hands rely on retention or was HH just adding so much WPS that it didn't matter?

[sly bobcat]

the later

[high stratus]

should go back to int providing 4% ret imo

[mossy coral]

How about 3!

[sly bobcat]

the ward from HH scales with healing effectiveness which they were already stacking for damage

[sly bobcat]

idk how 6 would be a middle ground

[mossy coral]

What if we get a node that gives ward retention per str or attunement

Just primalist left that can't get ward from skills/passives. Crow doesn't count ok

[sly bobcat]

i think that's probably fine. imo sentinel shouldn't get it easily either but we're past that point

[sly bobcat]

if you end up in a build with a lot of life regen later, julra's relic is pretty good for ward

[indigo falcon]

Guys how can I keep summon spriggan alive in Uber abberoth. I have 150 attune and a t7 minion health but he dies to DoT instantly

[sly bobcat]

manually move him away from danger

pressing the A key with mouse and keyboard controls will direct your minions to move to a specific spot or attack a specific enemy

[indigo falcon]

I do for telegraphed stuff

But if he walks over a void puddle or through a beam he just explodes

[sly bobcat]

I think the beams are dodgable but I'm not 100% certain. as in they're like a bunch of hits and not a DoT. do you have the aura dodge node on spriggan?

it's a surprising amount of survivability

[indigo falcon]

I have that and everything else to make him have more hp

[sly bobcat]

is it a spriggan companion build or a utility spriggan

[indigo falcon]

Utility. Honestly I'm just going to roll a warlock/lich. I don't think it's worth the hassle

[sly bobcat]

utility spriggans are basically just a temporary buff in boss fights it feels like. they're so obnoxious to keep alive

yeah you're better off not having minion health on your gear and just either picking it back up when it goes down or resummoning when the timer expires

[near leaf]

Btw when the spriggan is down

You still benefit from the aura

[high stratus]

yeah aura only stops if it actually dies

[sly bobcat]

oh that twiggy jerk is gonna die. how dare it fall over and stop throwing thorns

[tranquil lintel]

does anyone here have a dps calc/spreadsheet? I've found a few things online but they dont have much support for primalist stuff.

[mossy coral]

Yes 1 sec

[mossy coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CMkNFlZjvQ

Lol when howl is active and the wolf have the west wind buff spirit wolf deals 1m+ on dummy atm

way more when dualwielding but I'd have no survivability

[deft relic]

someone play reflect shaman this season? or did last season? it got some nerf, but should be playable, would you say its better to stack phys resist over attunement?

[high stratus]

attunement is much much stronger to stack, I don't think the nerfs changed that

[deft relic]

yep, only shield got nerfed i think and body got - distance (dmg)

[shadow cosmos]

idols also got nerfed, which was a pretty big source of flat

[patent dock]

Don't need to survive hits if you don't get hit

[potent mesa]

Best way to farm the weaver unique relic for primalist?

[wise leaf]

Take the weaver tree nodes for randomly possessed rares + rares have a chance to drop weaver uniques

Also imprints drop a whole lot of em

[potent mesa]

so i gotta imprint em as well kk will do that

are you talking about these?

or outrider souls?

[wise leaf]

You don't have to imprint them it's just another source

[patent dock]

Yeah, and always update your imprint to have the highest WW copy you find

[wise leaf]

Both

Any possessed enemy has a chance to drop a weaver unique on death

Outrider souls is just a really good node in general that you should basically always take anyway

[mossy coral]

atm it's around 4m dps and 2-3m extra if spirit wolves hit every other second. It could probably be better dps with no CD swipe but wolves themselves will probably deal a bit less

[patent dock]

Oh yeah, for sure you'll get higher dps if you spam swipe with no cooldown

but whether you'll be able to survive like that or not is a question lol

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's very hard to survive as a companion/minion user without pack

[high stratus]

not as spriggan form totems, they just heal you to full all the time

[mossy coral]

Either way my dmg isn't really lacking atm, not sure what amulet to wear though

Shock chance is kind of lacking

[near leaf]

I can't deal with rogue BS anymore

I need to play a bad build to cleanse my eyes of what I saw

Dude did so much dmg it overflowed the dmg number, and went into negative

[sly bobcat]

lel

[near leaf]

It's fine I'll play Shaman Storm stacks

[mossy coral]

looool, also look at the small ward number

I still don't know why everyone have commas on the dmg numbers but I don't 🙁

[near leaf]

Ikr

Casually dishing out billions of dmg with 6k ward

Is this D4 already?

[mossy coral]

Looks like it

[near leaf]

I am not sure why, but this is making quite irritated

Like we have to jump through so many hoops in Primalist to be able to do stuff, and we have Tempest Strike

Meanwhile rogue can one shot uber, clean screens at 300%ms with 6k ward

🤷

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's really crazy, every rework have been like this too

ES did the same thing

Time rot

judgement

[high stratus]

Silence primalist, a rogue is talking

[mossy coral]

Runemaster did this too, warlock

[high stratus]

Abom too

[mossy coral]

Yeah even that

[high stratus]

mana flay

[mossy coral]

Exactly

[high stratus]

tempest strike is gonna have 1000ADE when they rework it

[mossy coral]

Rogue have been good for so many seasons, just not marksman since it was sos squishy

We had bear I guess

But it feels really unfair lol

[patent dock]

Maybe the shaman strategy is to deal such little damage it underflows and we one shot everything

[patent dock]

Its spells actually did have around that much dmg eff BEFORE they reworked them all to 100%

[high stratus]

and storm crows have been really good for ages, just annoying to keep alive

[mossy coral]

I guess storm crows are okay, they have ramping damage while falconer have it 100000 of and uptime, can't die

[patent dock]

Found my old hidden TS spreadsheet just to remind myself... TS had average 968% dmg eff on its spells per swing before rework lol

[mossy coral]

Divebomb straight to the server room

[mossy coral]

Can we get that back pls?

[mossy coral]

The game has never been this balanced

On a good note after I've revisited dummy area the helmet fixed itself, buffs all wolves

[patent dock]

Hailstorm doing the carrying because it had 1364% dmg eff for some reason... while the hardest one to proc literally only had 100% dmg eff. What a mess of a skill lol

[high stratus]

is that the version that had no attack speed scaling?

[patent dock]

Attack speed didn't scale speed, but it did grant generic penetration 1:1

[mossy coral]

The most slept on skill I guess

[patent dock]

It was certainly capable of decent damage with the right setup, but the inconsistency and true melee with no way to make it quicker made it feel terrible

[mossy coral]

Yeah it felt so bad to use no one used it

[patent dock]

Like, on shaman, you can't afford to be doin that, mobs will just smack you

[mossy coral]

Ward is too good, I only have pack, not capped res and 1900 armor and did pinnacle really easy at 164c

Might be standard but I feel like it's really strong

What are the odds

[wise leaf]

Tbf 6k ward on rogue still kinda dies to a stiff breeze

So long as it lands tho

[patent dock]

About 100%

[wise leaf]

Then there's me who got both maxed all res and crit avoid on my 3rd kill of the season

[patent dock]

I got my maxed all res pretty early on this season, too, for my vinebear, so not complaining

usually on kill 13+ though

[wise leaf]

Not to mention never has to care about minion MS

Or teleport

[mossy coral]

Or cooldown

[patent dock]

or survivability

[wise leaf]

Srsly i actually run blood roost for the ms

For running monos with scorp

[mossy coral]

Blood of the exile?

[wise leaf]

No, the falconer gloves

[mossy coral]

oh

I see what you mean, minion MS, thought about your MS

[wise leaf]

Nah for my ms i got these

Huh, no embed?

1 sec

[patent dock]

Primordial speeeed

[wise leaf]

I mean what else am i gonna use my primordial on

[patent dock]

Nothing better tbh, it's great

[wise leaf]

Still i need to make new ones

I need minion tele on it

[patent dock]

Rings both locked up?

[mossy coral]

Insane, never seen MS primordial before lol

[wise leaf]

That's the problem, i wanna open up the ring slot for red ring

[patent dock]

Ah, okay

[wise leaf]

Also there is actually sweet screw all non-primordial minion tele rings

On market

[mossy coral]

s5 we'll be able to have primordial on a idol

[wise leaf]

i'll settle for minion tele on idol

[limpid veldt]

try smelter wrath FG then

[limpid veldt]

Really? So you the helm cannot give both two wolves the buff?

[wise leaf]

unless specified, no

it's why they kinda suck

[limpid veldt]

@wise leaf for scopion, how about using inheritance of the erased and have increased poison dmg and increased dmg over time affix?

[wise leaf]

yeah that's good

was in my uber attempt planner

(tho just DoT, not dot and poison, tho that's just for farming reasons)

[limpid veldt]

hmm

I want to try a good scopion build

[mossy coral]

Nah it was temporarily bugged, works fine now

[wise leaf]

i mean, scorp nova is still fine

[limpid veldt]

wait so they fixed it or something?

[wise leaf]

solidly mid tier, great clear, if you tank up a little does omen windows fine assuming you can pilot it

[mossy coral]

Was just random bug from testing a million things in dummy area is my guess

[wise leaf]

underwhelming boss damage but still like, workable

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

if only the lethal spear worked with scopion

right now it only works with skeletal rogue and falcon

[wise leaf]

i mean, it is an option

i just don't think it's a particularly good one

and the poison damage modifier still wouldn't be that huge?

idk

[mossy coral]

Would love dps meter cause I killed Emperor of Corpses at 164c in 2 seconds

[wise leaf]

you already stack a good amount of increased damage

i guess it would be a good use of a like 3rd affix slot

on the spear itself

but you're already pretty strapped for prefix space

and the leech is kinda irrelevant

[mossy coral]

What do you usually run for defenses with your scorp builds?

[limpid veldt]

@wise leaf hmm, I guess the source of dmg affixes will be increased minion dmg, increased minion dmg over time, and aspect of the viper effect right?

[wise leaf]

mostly right but swap minion damage for strength

but yeah the vast majority of your damage investment is viper effect

given it is literally cubic scaling

[limpid veldt]

does this https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAcGZnI increase the poison dmg of the scopion?

[wise leaf]

no

technically it can... for maelstrom scorp

but it does nothing for nova scorp

while venom nova is a spell, it has no ADE

actually wait

hold on

the poison bolts got ADE at some point

only 100%

so i think technically it would add poison hit damage to those

[mellow kestrel]

Are u still playing poisonscorp cookbook?

[wise leaf]

what do you think 😛

[limpid veldt]

poison hit dmg exists?

[wise leaf]

yeah there's a few weird instances of it

seems the poison bolt is now one

you can make reap a poison hit i think

[patent dock]

No

[patent dock]

Not sure what poison bolt you mean, there are a couple skills named poison bolt, none deal hit damage. Reap doesn't get any poison hit damage, I know that was a common misconception for a while though.

[sly bobcat]

Yeah it's always a physical hit if poison is involved

Not counting adding poison chance to other his obv

[wise leaf]

ah okay

hmmmm

idk

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/poison_bolt_ao_d

this says 100% ade

and while tagless

it should inherit a poison tag from venom nova

[patent dock]

Oh yeah, but that's just alt text, it doesn't actually have a damage component

[wise leaf]

oh okay

[sly bobcat]

I think wandering spirits have the same poison bolt

Or something similar

It just kinda spits and applies poison without a hit component

[limpid veldt]

anyway

for scopion

for cold build we need to switch to shaman right?

not sure about lightning build

currently I dont have a single poison build

[near leaf]

Wdym by cold build?

Tsunami?
It's most likely better has BM
Avalanche?
You have to be Shaman to be able to specc into it

[limpid veldt]

avalanche

but is tsunami better than avalanche?

[patent dock]

I'm not sure there's a real avalanche build for scorp. If you want your scorp to use upheaval or earthquake, yes you need to be shaman.
Regardless, you pretty much always want the avalanche boulder node.

[brazen wigeon]

What should I play on Primalist this season? Feel like I don’t hear much

[near leaf]

I had a very fun time getting to 1k corruption with Shatter Totem

[raven sluice]

There seems to be some cool new stuff for the primalist things I used to like. At the same time though, bear is clearly nerfed (probably by a ton), frogs are probably nerfed (idr), and crows were nerfed (a bit earlier but are still good). They're all still good but not as broken as they have been. Tornadobear got giganerfed from what I can tell. So primalist got cool new options for stuff that is middling, the OP stuff have been made closer to middling, and rogue and sentinel exist.

[fervent pine]

tornado bear still has people reaching 2000+ corruption, you just need to invest into some mana regen now

[wise leaf]

Frogs are still good, tornadobear is still good just fiddlier to itemise (i believe there's some high on ladders)

Frogs got a 1/3rd damage nerf... but 2/3rds of a hell of a lot of damage is still a hell of a lot of damage

And nothing else really changed about them

Tornado bear no longer cheats at mana but evidently it's able to fit enough mana sustain in to work

[fervent pine]

from what I can tell people are either using urzil's pride or just stacking a lot more mana so they don't need to care about regen as much

also saw some people using the corrupted attunement since storm bolts mana stacking has a cap and you can probably hit the cap with just xylem

[wise leaf]

Probably

[nimble sundial]

Hey how is BM this season ?

Getting annoyed by how squishy necro feels in HC. And I remember BM was quite solid when I played scorpion a few season back.

Wanting some sort of low APM. So ideally just swipe to trigger ability

Frogs seem fairly "active" in that your using multiple companion ability + frenzy totem right ?

[high stratus]

wassup primalists (derogatory)

[shut laurel]

[near leaf]

[wise leaf]

BM is just generally not low apm

but frogs are your best bet

you use CD swipe to trigger the companion ability

and place down the frenzy totem

both of those are not things you need to do that often

on another note a threw together a combined aftershock trigger/solo raptor build for the hell of it

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdKPklp

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (78) / Shaman (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,331, Regen: 145.8/s
▸ Mana: 106.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 70 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 3 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 64% / 64% / 54% / 53% / 56% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 933
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,948)

Used skills:

Summon Raptor / Warcry / Tempest Strike / Earthquake / Fury Leap

[high stratus]

against my better judgement I quite like the look of that

really sweet power fantasy

[wise leaf]

i imagine it'd look pretty spectacular

it's gonna be a lot of real big aftershocks

[high stratus]

kind of captures everything that's cool about primalist with the dual wielding barbarian swinging for the fences, the cool pet and the triggered magical effects (even if it's a melee attack strictly speaking aftershocks are definitely on the magical side of things)

[wise leaf]

honestly for something i just threw together i think it looks pretty sweet

[high stratus]

all those exalted & reforged set items look rough to craft tho

there's a good reason that full legendary & 1lp slam builds are popular

[wise leaf]

fair

depends on MG vs CoF and all that

[limpid veldt]

But is tornado bear better than tornado shaman now?

[wise leaf]

no clue

[limpid veldt]

Well since for bear you need spirit xylem

While shaman has 48% more dmg using ladle

[wise leaf]

well bear gets 40% more damage from bear form

idk

not my wheelhouse

[dapper egret]

Got a build link?

[near leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/PvtVlad/character/Pop-Pop-Pop

That's my character

[dapper egret]

Thanks

[near leaf]

I have seen a 'lightning version going around

If you got any question, hit me up

[high stratus]

How did you get so handsome?

[near leaf]

👉 👈

[nimble sundial]

Does swipe trigger all ability or just one of them ?

[wise leaf]

one

what multiple companions tho

i know you use wolf

[nimble sundial]

Yeah i think frogs use wolf + bear right ?

And some also use single storm crow cos it adds flat dmg

Was wondering how scorpion / wolfs are.

As HC ladder is currently just storm crows and frogs

But you got lv83 BM players on higher corruption than lv98 necromancer so I feel BM maybe a better pick than necro...

[wise leaf]

scorp wouldn't work well

it just doesn't really contribute to what the build does

i don't think it's better damage than a frog

[nimble sundial]

Did it get a nerf or something ?

Can't you just do the same companion ability stuff

[wise leaf]

so i think the idea is that you don't necessarily care about bear/crow companion abilities

[nimble sundial]

Sorry I mean scorpian as solo companion style build

[wise leaf]

oh

yeah solo scorp

yeah scorp nova is good

very mid boss dps tho

[nimble sundial]

Yeah just as ladder is basically all storm crow / frogs

So no idea of solo scorpian or even wolves were good.

[wise leaf]

scorp is high APM tho

one of the most involved BM builds to pilot

[nimble sundial]

Yeah just thinking of other good options

As necro is a little meh currently so BM seems my best choice for what I'd want to do.

[wise leaf]

scorp is also great for leveling

[nimble sundial]

Yeah ill have a play around

Something just soo strong about aspect of boar + cleaver + vessel tho.

So I feel I can slap sort of any companion onto that and it works.

[wise leaf]

yeah pretty much

[high stratus]

Scorp Avalanche seems to be decent, it's shaman not BM tho

and getting the minion attack speed idols for it isn't trivial

[nimble sundial]

I might be crazy and play some attunement wolves then

[nimble sundial]

Actually is there even enough nodes for storm bolts for that to be good.

Maybe we just go physical bleed wolves or something.

[high stratus]

nah wolf stormbolts suck.

Bleed squirrels work, but it isn't low APM

[tranquil lintel]

it also has horrible clear

like omens are genuine problem for bleed squirrels

[high stratus]

Frogs would be better than anything wolf based I think

[raven sluice]

Is it just my impression or do the squirrels have less attack AoE than wolves?

[high stratus]

it doesn't seem like either has much aoe to speak of to me

[wise leaf]

yes

[raven sluice]

Fair

I guess it's just bleed wolf that has shit clear then

[tranquil lintel]

Spirit wolves should get the Area tag I think

Unless they add content that focuses on single target, Like a boss rush echo or something

[mossy coral]

Storm bolts are terrible, since you can use howl of the west wind helmet it's better to be melee lightning crit wolves instead.
Storm bolt triggers once in a blue moon when clearing monos, basically only for single target and can drain your mana with not enough damage.

[nimble sundial]

Yeah so I guess just normal physical wolves work...

Not sure what else wolves things you can do early or if storm crows are just better

[mossy coral]

Just go lightning wolves Darx, it doesn't have a problem with omens

[nimble sundial]

Im talking like leveling here, pre monos

Doing a HC SAF fresh start

Not sure if wolves are really a thing or if storm crows are just better tho

[mossy coral]

They're pretty good, I liked to level with them instead of crows. If you're lucky and get the helmet and use it at 24 you'll be a god and shred the campaign

[tranquil lintel]

I did get alot of 3lp howl of the west winds in my hunt for a even a single herald of the scurry with lp

[mossy coral]

If you go wolves early use swipe with a cooldown and they'll deal a lot of damage for free

[nimble sundial]

Yeah thats my thinking

Not sure what wolves do late game though

Or if I can just play like physical hit based wolves.

Or if cold / lightning is just clearly better

[mossy coral]

I don't think they will scale enough at endgame with just phys, west wind will give them a lot of flat that has a 150% more scaling, it's a lot

[nimble sundial]

Yeah just thinking if doing that compares to storm crows

Since crows dont need the whole wolves are max stuff

[ornate scroll]

Yeah the area isn’t great but a fun build

[nimble sundial]

Yeah maybe its storm crows time, again.....

[mossy coral]

I think crows will be good if you can hit things for a while, on omens you can technically use GS and hit the invulnerable omen just to buff them with dmg and chains, lagon stacks are great and all for the flat but not sure if it's really needed

[ornate scroll]

I don’t like having to target an area with the crow attack personally, why I like raptor and wolve better

[nimble sundial]

The stacks for flat dmg are really nice

[nimble sundial]

Yeah thats what im thinking is good, but I think crows just sort of scale harder.

I guess there is one option of just playing wolves (with frog helmet)

And just go physical hit wolves until I get helmet.

[ornate scroll]

Solid plan

[nimble sundial]

Other option is maybe bear ?

But current ladder all the character with bear are just playing frogs and using it for regen buff

[mossy coral]

I find it not that easy to be tanky unless I use ancestral pack for survivability when playing minion/companion build, vessel is okay but needs a lot of investment

[nimble sundial]

I mean my plan is just cleaver + vessel

[near leaf]

I liked giving them Storm Bolts retaliate

It was giving a little bit more clear

[mossy coral]

I want to play flurry swipes Saber at one point, should be good aoe now that upheaval shockwaves are good

[tranquil lintel]

holy moly

[high stratus]

@karmic bison how's avalanche scorp going?

[nimble sundial]

Just use every BM core of T7 mod and cleaver + vessel.

At least your not trying to build defence on a necromancer....

[high stratus]

necro defence is pretty easy, acolyte gets the best 1x3 huge health idols, 30 armor per vit, can use cleaver to scale that armor, max block either via bastion or mountain shield also scaling damage via t-rex relic

BM admittedly gets a lot of DR

[nimble sundial]

How are you scaling dmg if your using cleaver on necro....

BM companions scale from str

[high stratus]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/m1rm30qm#2 lots of good stuff to learn from about scaling damage and defenses on necro in this planner

[high stratus]

yeah i was responding to you implying that building defence on a necro is really hard

[nimble sundial]

Ignoire me i got cleaver mixed up

Forgot it gave you the int which scales necro

For some reason thought it converted int to str

It's just really shocking how bad NECRO is doing in HC ladder.

[winged swallow]

HC shows you the flaws of classes. Necro is a pile of rice paper that let's minions do the dirty work for em. If a enemy slips by or teleports on top of the necro. Then it's game over

While sentinel masteries scale their survivability alongside their damg for free

[karmic bison]

Stopped for awhile been leveling other things but it was fun leveling to empowered

[nimble sundial]

Yeah i do wonder if cleaver is the solution...

It's wild you have lv84 BM clearing higher corruption than any necro in HC.....

Anyway back to BM, I assume wolves into storm crow leveling into frog helmet.

[mossy coral]

Can we normalize conversions gives skills the tag

[raven sluice]

You can use solo companion nodes with the bonus wolf node. You get 2 giga wolves

Feels to me like they clear better than bleed wolves at least

Hit wolf from what I know should go Howl of the West Wind (easy high LP), crit, the gavel as your primordial item (it's very defensive and doubles your off hand while being slammable). It's very strong afaik

Scurry is also a strong helm, giga life on it and 3 wolf lvls, but harder to LP, and doesn't juice the shit out of their dmg. The actual problem by my guess is clear for bleed wolf (squirrel), though

[mossy coral]

LOL fire aftershocks don't have an animation, that's silly

[open ravine]

Yess this is the way. I use it to get 4 squirrels and do the spell lightning variation. It’s really good but damage can be inconsistent because of procs. I’ve never done just wolves tho

[raven sluice]

For melee wolf, duo with howl of the west wind felt busted

[open ravine]

It’s just not as much scaling as Storm Bolt tho:(

[raven sluice]

For bleed you probably want scurry since it's a bleed wolf helm. For stormbolt too since it makes triggers more consistent with more hits

[mossy coral]

I literally saw no dps increase or decrease when having 2 wolves or 6, the clear was a lot better with 6

[near leaf]

It used to have one

[open ravine]

Storm Bolt scales with more of your flat melee, also storm bolt mods

[raven sluice]

Yeah, HotWW is melee wolves

[mossy coral]

Ikr!

[open ravine]

Yeah I mean doing storm bolt spell on either

[raven sluice]

Ah

Stormbolt wolves are a bit lacking aside from retaliation yup

[open ravine]

Think in either case it’s the same amount of damage increase like ~7% more dmg going 2 wolves or 4 squirrels

[raven sluice]

Hmm, fair

[open ravine]

Yeah you have to scale giga attack speed for them to get a bit better consistency in procs with the 10% node in tree

[mossy coral]

Conversions in this game is funny, werebear gets nothing they're all phys, swarmblade gets everything to cold except armblade slash, it remains phys until you make SS cold and you can even have swarmblade form as phys and it'll still be cold

[raven sluice]

Solo companions will have bigger hp and much much bigger leech at least

[mossy coral]

Well companions isn't dying, they could tank t3 julra slam

[open ravine]

They are tankier too

For squirrels it’s kind of needed tbh.

[mossy coral]

Got 1 point in leech in BM tree

[raven sluice]

Boar on bleed wolf is probably big, true

[raven sluice]

Get more and your bleed saber can tank abberoth bubble while fleeing

Uberoth*

[mossy coral]

Man I really really wanted to use Vorb ring on a werebear 😑

[mossy coral]

Yeah but that's also with solo companion nodes, 6 wolves isn't using it for the health and they can tank really well atm at least

[raven sluice]

True

BM boar is just huge

[mossy coral]

Companions shouldn't die regardless, Idk why they even have revive mechanic. Might as well have 90% DR or something

[raven sluice]

You mean like they're immortal? Or should be?

[mossy coral]

Or get re-summoned like the rest

[near leaf]

What's stopping you?

[raven sluice]

Uberoth certainly killed my cat many times

[mossy coral]

Can't be triggered

[near leaf]

Oo

Oh you need fire melee or cold melee

[mossy coral]

Even used Yrun's, doesn't get the tag

[near leaf]

Direct use?

[mossy coral]

Either, direct use too yeah

[near leaf]

Maul should become cold

With Yrun and Fury Leap

[patent dock]

Maul does become cold, but iirc its tags don't update properly

[mossy coral]

I don't think it gets cold, because even TS is only proccing phys. When in swarmblade using a cold melee skill TS will proc cold projectile

[tranquil lintel]

I stacked aspect of the boar effect on idols and did bleed squirrels and i never saw them die once at 5-600c

[near leaf]

Oh I see more 🪲🦗🐛

[raven sluice]

Boar is so nice

[mossy coral]

This was my idea, stack str for a lot of spell stuff with aftershocks

And get ungodly amount of AS

Oh and Madness

[patent dock]

and more damage taken

[mossy coral]

That's fiiiine

[raven sluice]

It's not unplayable amounts. Right? Right???

Used to be the seppuku belt

[nimble sundial]

Is this actually good ?

Im sort of wanting to do a wolf build, like just wolfs do howl and attack things.

Like frenzy totem + swipe to trigger howl stuff. Not sure if cold / bleed compares to hit

[tranquil lintel]

fangs of the beserker is fine on bm, dont know how it would feel on the other masteries

[mossy coral]

Only 3-6, you're not dualwielding so you're actually tankier than normal lol

Dualwield is 8

[raven sluice]

Imo, that belt hands down needs the perfect rolls corruption

[near leaf]

Enigma?

[mossy coral]

Well with a build like this you just want it for the frenzy effect

[patent dock]

but it scales with your frenzy effect

[mossy coral]

Helmet could also work I guess

[mossy coral]

Oh

Blood mage carry?

[raven sluice]

I think fangs of the berserker with perfect rolls corrupt seems quite usable. Without corruption, getting a nice one would seem hellish

Unless perfect rolls corrupt maximises more dmg taken

[mossy coral]

Scales with int, doing melee anyways so it also gets more dmg. Iirc it also got buffed

[tranquil lintel]

its honestly not that bad i farmed them for a day and even managed to get some at 2lp with minimum damage increase roll and max more damage

[mossy coral]

No CD either and would want to stack a lot of AS

[patent dock]

Actually, I think perfect rolls corrupt will more or less brick it, since you either end up with max boosts but max damage taken, or min roll damage taken and all buffs

[mossy coral]

You know getting perfect roll with corruption makes it go from 3 to 6 and not reversed

[open ravine]

Idk how it will feel with Omens and such this patch but it was a fun build last season for me! The bolts end up being extremely strong, if you go spell

[mossy coral]

Vorb would be nice, it would help with the clear

[nimble sundial]

Yeah i was just unsure how wolves with bolts compare to just storm crows

[open ravine]

Idk how the wolf counterpart or going other types is like I only did bolts. I mean storm crows are pretty consistent. Not relying on chance for your main skill is definitely nice

[nimble sundial]

Yeah maybe I just go storm crows and maybe frogs later

[mossy coral]

How much would 150 str be in increased dmg taken on 3% berserker belt?

[open ravine]

That’s definitely the safe way

[nimble sundial]

I spent a long time testing necromancer, but its like for HC SAF fresh start BM crows seems a safer option than necro stuff.

[open ravine]

Hmm. I would disagree with that until later. BM is rough early to mid game I feel

[nimble sundial]

Hmm I guess you need clever and vessel ?

I always found BM solid, but maybe that was lucky ward per sec early.

[nimble sundial]

I wanted to do a zoo necromancer using the ward per minion passive for massive ward.

Int stacking for crit per int and lots of ward retention. But was thinking BM was a safer pick.

[open ravine]

Sustain options are trash on BM and Necro it’s free with rip blood early and the ability to get that passive you’re talking about

[nimble sundial]

Yeah on BM I normally take all the regen and str improve regen stuff. Then some ward per sec on relics or gear also.

[open ravine]

You’ll be at like 300+ stable ward pretty much right when you get that passive if you level as minion army

Yeah it works it’s just not as good early on

[nimble sundial]

Well im thinking

Skeleton archer
Mages with tp passive
Golem for tank
Dread shade
Wraith to manually summon.

So id have piles of minions. Just really struggled to see how id scale it later for HC. Like if I go cold convert and use lich scorn I then dont have a shield.

[raven sluice]

I think campaign, you can just not giga super rush it. Early monos idk, then get reforged last bear and stack str and regen and some flat armour. Then into real gear later

[nimble sundial]

While BM storm crow is sort of known

[open ravine]

Tough to run the army setup I like since golem and skele rogues are bugged rn so

[nimble sundial]

How ?

[open ravine]

Yeah later it’s all fine for BM but early on it’s just bad imo

[mossy coral]

primalist early is bad yep

[open ravine]

Golem just gets stuck and doesn’t do things. Skele Rogue individual operator mode isn’t working properly

[mossy coral]

zdps no leech or not enough

[nimble sundial]

Maybe in the past I just really overlevel as bm then ?

Ill give it a try and see how it feels. As golem and rogue being bugged makes necro not great then

[mossy coral]

If you could get vessel in the past it was really good, it has been nerfed 2 times and ward retention/int as well

[nimble sundial]

My gear is prob just going to life + regen + ward per sec to be honest.

[raven sluice]

I have almost only played primalist I guess. My experience is that early game it doesn't matter unless you play an experiment and it ends up bad

[open ravine]

Early game is easy, but in a HC setting just can be risky

[mossy coral]

primalist is more gear dependant than others, and passives ofc

[nimble sundial]

Just gotta over level a little. Storm crows + gathering storms really solves dmg i feel.

However to be fair last time I played BM alot was like 1.1

[high stratus]

Blood specters could be pretty tanky if you went in on the ward on minion death thing

[raven sluice]

Fair. I never played HC in LE, and doubt I would play HC anywhere again unless for a race or SC was completely dead in trade

[winged swallow]

Wish aspect of the crow would convert....i'd give crows a try then. I just dislike "lightning themes"

[nimble sundial]

My fav HC tech i have seen is BM just adding bear to builds.

The health regen while bear is active.

[near leaf]

Are we sure it doesn't?

[mossy coral]

It doesn't convert

[winged swallow]

Yeah. I've turned them physical and fire and it still gives lightning damg

[near leaf]

You tested with Inc lightning dmg gear?

[mossy coral]

I'll test it rn

Yeah it still gives lightning

Went from 224 to 660

[nimble sundial]

Okay the solo wolf build actually seems cool.

You get the two 85% more dmg for solo then get 2 wolves. Not sure how it compares to other solo minions.

[high stratus]

Catzy has been discovering that there's a bug with the lightning jimp mask

it only buffs one wolf at a time and it can buff an already buffed wolf

[mossy coral]

Scratch that, I reloaded the zone and it seems to be working fine

[high stratus]

okay so it's only bugged some of the time?

is it still the case that it applies on any hit not just a melee hit?

[mossy coral]

At least when I was testing 100 different things, I play with 6 wolves and its working as intended

[mossy coral]

Any hit, doesn't have to be lightning either. I'm using tornado casting storm bolts for it to trigger

[winged swallow]

Gathering Storm Cold/Void quake

with that harbinger ice spear unique

instantly crashed while fighting one rare

New gathering storm is poggers

[mossy coral]

Embrace the purple

[winged swallow]

And people said that spear had no use

watch me crash my game with the flick of my wrist

[wise leaf]

rofl

that's hiarious

[winged swallow]

I was just like "What if..." and I changed to Cold GS and INSTANTLY crashed when hitting a rare

[wise leaf]

wait

how

it's 3 per 2 seconds no?

[mossy coral]

Bane of winter?

[wise leaf]

why is it causing that much of a feedback loop

[mossy coral]

It was changed to 8/2

[winged swallow]

OH GODDDDDDD HELP!!!!!

[wise leaf]

still

[winged swallow]

I have brought the VOID TO LIFE

[wise leaf]

and apparently your game to death

[mossy coral]

That's a lot of debuffs you have on yourself lol

[winged swallow]

Yeah it crashed for 5 minutes then came back to that violet icesplosion hell

[mossy coral]

Maybe too many stacks of everything

[winged swallow]

Man Gathering Storm is a fun skill

[high stratus]

how is that looping? it's meant to only trigger on melee attack hits or javelin

it can't even trigger itself and the rate is fairly limited, lower than AS idols for example.

[mossy coral]

storm bolt == melee obviously

[high stratus]

maybe because Gathering Storm is a melee attack it counts

you should try Volcanus lol

if storm bolts are counting as melee

[winged swallow]

Gathering storm puts the biggest smile on my face when I use it

[high stratus]

cold GS with frozen ire, does that do anything?

I really can't work out why voidwinter bolts is doing anything special so

[winged swallow]

I think I have both. So i'll try em. Doesn't Volcanus require a fire skill tho?

[mossy coral]

Idk doesn't seem like bane can trigger that way, maybe when it gets expended

[high stratus]

30% chance to cast Magma Shards on melee hit

[mossy coral]

No just melee hit

[sly bobcat]

storm bolts shouldn't trigger voidwinter bolts. VWB is also rate limited so it's not gonna crash the game like that

[high stratus]

That's what I was thinking

#🐺┃primalist message
#🐺┃primalist message
what's going on in these pictures tho?

[sly bobcat]

dunno. I don't even see storm stacks on the bar unless 50 are being generated instantly and at all times

[high stratus]

I don't think it's storm bolt generation that's making Rusty's GS builds cause tons of strikes, I think it's conflux and lightning strikes twice

with area of effect/shotgunning

but idk why that's creating tons of voidwinter bolts or doing anything interesting really given the delays

[sly bobcat]

it really shouldn't cause any kind of loop either. a 1 in 5 chance is too low to consistently chain off itself

so either there's an extra interaction somewhere or a bug

[high stratus]

when you're dual wielding you get multiple targets per strike (doesn't apply to the voidwinter spear case) and the same bolt hitting multiple targets seems to be where things go crazy

so if you have 2 rares standing ontop of eachother then you get 1/5 conflux per target and 1/5 LST per target

I think it could diverge to unlimited bolts under some circumstances but it should do so in 0.2s intervals rather than all at once

and if it did I'd think the damage would kill the targets responsible for causing a diverging series of bolts pretty fast

[sly bobcat]

I would have to do the math on it and have a meeting in a few minutes, but with napkin calcs in my head you'd need to be shotgunning dozens of storm stacks incredibly fast to be hitting in the thousands of times like that

[winged swallow]

Volcanus doesn't work

time for that sceptre

[sly bobcat]

i actually think the key component here is generating stacks insanely fast due to how storm stack spending speeds up per stack

it's 2% faster per stack and at 50 stacks you spend all stacks simultaneously

[high stratus]

yeah I can see averaging like 1.1-1.2 bolts per bolt under some circumstances but that should build up fairly slowly at first

@winged swallow is your GS spec'd to trigger maelstrom on spending storm stacks?

[winged swallow]

Yes

[sly bobcat]

why don't you have any maelstrom stacks in the second picture

[high stratus]

or storm stacks

[sly bobcat]

if you're spending that many storm stacks you should have at least one

[winged swallow]

Because my screen froze for 5 minutes then came back to life

so I wasn't casting anything

[high stratus]

okay so when the build is not crashing the game but sort of working how many maelstrom stacks u getting?

[winged swallow]

with my current gear? 15-17

with my dream gear probably around 20

[high stratus]

that's what 160 odd stacks per 10s-ish

[sly bobcat]

that's how much you sustain on a normal build though. you should be significantly higher if you're firing off so many bolts

[high stratus]

definitely not thousands of strikes

[high stratus]

like I said I think it's repeats/doublecasts and multi-target bolts

but if it is that then you should be able to do it with maelstrom instead of attacking with GS

power of the storm multi-targeting

might be worth trying

if you cast 6 stacks of maelstrom and warcry the enemies together, see whether you get tons of bolts or not

[sly bobcat]

it requires you to actually build storm stacks. the dual wield node only triggers when spending stacks

[high stratus]

that's what it says, I agree, but who knows what it does

[sly bobcat]

and the only way to build stacks while dual wielding is to actually use GS at least once

[high stratus]

well he was able to get it happening with a spear so it isn't the DW node

there's also a chance to multi-target expended storm stacks heading towards concentrated storm

[sly bobcat]

the more I hear about it the more I want a video to see what's actually happening. it's just written explanation and screenshots right now

[mossy coral]

Thought this would be higher

[winged swallow]

Does tundra nova even have a effect?

[mossy coral]

yeah it's a tiny tiny frost explosion under the enemies feet

[winged swallow]

probably smaller then my ice storm bolts then

[mossy coral]

yes

[winged swallow]

Is this a tundra nova?

Starting to look like i'm trying to use spirit bomb from dragonball z

[sly bobcat]

if you've got a ton of increased area that might be it

[neon steppe]

Does this node mean 80% of 4 maelstroms or just 80% of maelstrom once, but you get 4 stacks?

[mossy coral]

So uh, is spark charges bugged with Enigma? Spell/melee does the same dmg with it

[mossy coral]

Probably 80% x 4 of maelstroms cost

[mossy coral]

Alright seems like EQ/aftershock even as spell counts as melee for enigma lol

How strange is that

I did it even at a distance

[high stratus]

I wonder if storm bolts also count as melee for enigma

[mossy coral]

It counts as spell

[high stratus]

there goes my Cleaver Solutions dream

[mossy coral]

even tested boulders

and boulders from aftershocks, that also counts as spell

[high stratus]

lightning spell AS idols with enigma might be a thing then

TS for gladiator

[mossy coral]

Like this?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VbVKRK

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (15) / Druid (65)

General:

▸ Health: 2,790, Regen: 26.4/s
▸ Mana: 258.61, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 132 Str / 9 Dex / 132 Int / 26 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 21% / 21% / 0% / 0% / 3% / 3%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 959
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (177)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,256)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Swipe / Warcry / Earthquake

[wise leaf]

it's the regular mana cost of maelstrom i believe, not 4x

[mossy coral]

Belt sucks tbh, 14% increased attack speed

[high stratus]

does spirit step count as teleport for that last line on enigma or something?

can't see why else you'd want flames of midnight

[mossy coral]

Nah just added it cause 20% more MS and it teleports you further than normal evade

And I thought aftershocks would be fire at first

[patent dock]

I love that node that puts dungeon packs in echoes