🐺┃primalist

[sly bobcat]

worth noting for that example that rejuv wind is the spriggan active and not the healing aura. you can't activate it normally while transformed and have to have a way to trigger it

i haven't played a shapeshift build in a while. Kinda want to do a bugman build with that body armor i found

[neon steppe]

my idea is cooked anyway becasue i thought dive activated companion ability not swarm strike

tho i am cooking up a potion spam instant dive -> tsunami idea

you get can cd of dive to 1.8s pretty easily, then the exp affix to remove cd from traversal

potion dive spam and tsunami on 5/6 of those dives

stack dex for mourning frost + guile (gives traversal movement cdr)

[near leaf]

OO

I thought too

[near leaf]

Mourning Frost + Bane of Winter

So you only have to deal with Phys Res

[neon steppe]

i was going xylem

[sly bobcat]

yo bane of winter bugman sounds sick actually

[neon steppe]

because maelstrom eats points

[near leaf]

Primal Knowledge ?

[patent dock]

Yeah, plus guile

[neon steppe]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgR1P3OL

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (25) / Druid (63)

General:

▸ Health: 3,057, Regen: 33.6/s
▸ Mana: 687.01, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 53 Str / 73 Dex / 15 Int / 59 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 58% / 93% / 105% / 75% / 90% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 611
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (261)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,467)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Swarmblade Form / Summon Spriggan / Summon Thorn Totem

[neon steppe]

rough idea rn but im iterating

[sly bobcat]

what T7 goes on the BoW

[neon steppe]

ill look into primal + bane

[sly bobcat]

I've got a handful of them rotting in my stash

[neon steppe]

also have no idea what the 5th skill would be

[near leaf]

Crit Multi/ Flat Cold/ Inc Dmg / Inc Crit ?

[near leaf]

Serpent Strike

[sly bobcat]

i was thinking flat cold since you can get crit multi from chill chance

and flat crit on the bugman tree

[neon steppe]

i would never not be pressing potion or dive

dive would have basically 0 cd

with this setup

and cant go bane because u loose too much spell flat 🙁

[near leaf]

How come ?

1. you wille have a ton from Mourningfrost

[patent dock]

Bane itself gives as much flat as a staff

[neon steppe]

ohhhhh

i didnt read the last line

oof

thats really good actually

[neon steppe]

rage gen would also be

problematic

[near leaf]

Rage on crit as swarmblade

Is big

Combine with Rage on crit in the tree

[patent dock]

and it double dips mourningfrost since it gives +1 melee and +1 spell per dex (it gives +0.42 spell from that +1 melee)

[neon steppe]

clear it would be fine but single target it might suffer

[tranquil lintel]

5 rage per crit should be enough, right?

[neon steppe]

maelstrom 17 rage x 4

and ur spamming it

i could go tears of forest and have spriggan summon vines?

[near leaf]

How do you spawn them ?

[near leaf]

Thats not your vines

Could take this though

[patent dock]

Yeah, 1 point in endless pressure usually covers all your troubles

[neon steppe]

im not armblade slashing tho

[tired inlet]

Is that this build? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKg8Knw3

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (67)

General:

▸ Health: 6,828, Regen: 751.14/s
▸ Mana: 354.51, Regen: 23.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 104 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 93 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 103% / 111% / 102% / 107% / 118% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,418
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (9,612)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Maelstrom

[patent dock]

but otherwise, the vines boots can generate vines for you

[neon steppe]

but muh mourning frost

[patent dock]

Doesn't matter

[patent dock]

Oh yeah, whoops lol

Locusts can gen for you on bosses, I guess

[neon steppe]

clear is no problem but yea locust probably for boss

or go eterras + tear

[winged swallow]

yes that is my "rock chainsaw" build yes

[near leaf]

New pinnacle down

Took 2 try

[sly bobcat]

I should try with my wind shaman

I'm sure nothing will go wrong

[near leaf]

doing a few tries on uby to see

lol

[sly bobcat]

i wonder if it's worth equipping the time rot locket for 6% more damage on voidwinter bolts

probably better to just use omnis for resists

[tranquil lintel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3ZbdwmE

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (54) / Shaman (19) / Druid (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,654, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,182.62, Regen: 15.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 45 Str / 12 Dex / 7 Int / 33 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 56% / 112% / 124% / 79% / 49% / 64% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 548
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (231)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,322)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 96%

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Upheaval / Maelstrom / Earthquake / Warcry

[tranquil lintel]

help me with this

[crude breach]

beastmaster with no beasts?

[tranquil lintel]

spam GS to get storm stack really quickly, slow down the rate they expand so you can actually keep them during downtime and arent constantly fighting to maintain 30 stacks. Then you tap upheaval and it bypasses the cooldown nodes on EQ tree gives you a 50% reduction on the cost of eq. Because Natural Wrath consumes 50% of EQ's cost rather than actually costing 50% to cast it Wrold splitter still apllies to the procced cast at full vale (as far as I can tell anyway)

[tranquil lintel]

well, if I managed to get the frenzy corrupt on the relic Id swap Maelstrom to wolf

[crude breach]

I think 6 seconds CD on EQ is not worth this node

[tranquil lintel]

there is no cd

im casting it through upheaval

[crude breach]

your CD is time you spend gathering stacks with GS

[tranquil lintel]

its alot less than youd think i can cast like 0.75 eq's a second or something

hence stacking attack speed

[crude breach]

I think it would be better to go lightning bear but dunno how to get stacks with bear

you maul, cast uphveal and thus EQ

[tranquil lintel]

you'd need to use stormbreaker mace and somehow hit 30 times

[crude breach]

yup...not worth it

[tired inlet]

how does it work?

[winged swallow]

put warcry and fury leap on auto cast. right click GS

[tranquil lintel]

with the affix on the helm and attack speed you get storm stacks incredibly fast

[crude breach]

dunno...I tihkn it's just extra steps, EQ is mellee skill anyway so why not directly cast it

[tranquil lintel]

because it costs 50 mana and then you have to invest into tonnes of mana regen

[winged swallow]

Oh also that ones the old version. Let me get you the fresh updated planner. Same gameplay better items

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0V4W2Wk

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (67)

General:

▸ Health: 7,658, Regen: 654.84/s
▸ Mana: 354.51, Regen: 23.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 20/s
▸ Attributes: 74 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 93 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 103% / 111% / 102% / 107% / 118% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,584
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,526)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Maelstrom

[winged swallow]

There that's the new one. almost 9k HP if I get high rolls

[high stratus]

wouldn't concentrated storm be better for you than some of the shock chance given how focused on bleed you are? -2 jolted strikes +2 concentrated storm

[sly bobcat]

"better items"

[winged swallow]

that gets converted into armor shred.

[sly bobcat]

good lord some of those items are absolutely nuts

[tranquil lintel]

but armor shred doesnt benefit bleeds

[winged swallow]

It's fine I only use items I myself have grinded before

[crude breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN2JY8l5 what about this? using wisps to make magma eruptions

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (57) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,242, Regen: 332.28/s
▸ Mana: 324.51, Regen: 15.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 54%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 75 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 61 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 145% / 47% / 47% / 53% / 34% / 50% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 764
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,771)

Used skills:

Earthquake / Summon Storm Crows / Tornado / Gathering Storm / Summon Spriggan

[high stratus]

which only applies to your hit damage and you were implying a staggeringly high hit-rate earlier

your dot aftershocks and bleeds dgaf about armor

[winged swallow]

I use DoTs yes but I also need my storm bolts to do decent damg overtime. and it's super free boost to it

[high stratus]

how many armor shred stacks are you getting rn?

[winged swallow]

10k-170k depending on how good the shotgun was

[forest wharf]

So this dropped, and I have no idea what to do with it. I've been focused on rogue this season.

Any suggestions?

That's 7/6/6 with an open prefix for a set and sealed 15% health

[tranquil lintel]

give it to me :p

[high stratus]

half as much armor shred for 16% more damage with storm bolts is a good trade for you then lol

how on earth are you hitting that much?

your aftershocks aren't even hitting

[sly bobcat]

i don't even know what corruptions I could fish for that could make my build good

[winged swallow]

By crashing the game most of the time

[tranquil lintel]

two-eyed storm on GS probably going bonkers

• lightning strikes twice node

[winged swallow]

Two-eyed + Lightning strikes twice + conflux

[sly bobcat]

i want to see a screenshot of the armor shred

[high stratus]

T7 corruption only available on 28WW items: +100% "Tempest Strike is now a good skill trust me bro"

[tranquil lintel]

what's conflux?

[high stratus]

shaman passive tree

5 Point Bonus
Your indirect Storm Bolt casts have a chance to cast again after 0.25 seconds.
Does not scale with points allocated
Chance for Indirect Storm Bolt Casts to Doublecast: 20%

[winged swallow]

shaman capstone passive. makes "Indirect storm bolts" have a 20% chance to repeat. Which Lightning strikes twice and two-eye are both indirect

[high stratus]

storm stacks being expended normally is also indirect afaik

it's only casting GS with a staff and lagon's whatever node which is direct

[winged swallow]

which has a "chance" to cause a luck loop that causes infinite storm bolts to start chaining.

If I fight 3 champions at a time I am guaranteed to crash my game

2 usually doesn't crash

[high stratus]

even if they don't stand in the same spot?

[winged swallow]

I have increased area of effect to make my shotguns easier

[high stratus]

does the build do much single target damage or is it all about abusing storm bolt repeats?

[winged swallow]

that's why I made myself tanky. I'll eventually win in a 1v1

I am also at 50 stacks always for lots of hits for bleeds. It's why I grabbed aftershock idols and grabbed bleed stuff. To help in the 1v1 scenarios

Hmmm. I could lower my HP from my Null portent and get GS levels and more AoE

[high stratus]

wouldn't looming clouds give you more chance of popping off with shotguns?

[winged swallow]

I'm also not trying to go "to ham" as I am already prone to pretty much auto crashing

[high stratus]

it's a cool build I'm just certain that 4/4 jolting strikes is not right

[winged swallow]

but I will enjoy my build before EHG catches on and GS becomes borderline unplayable due to the 7 different compounding nerfs they will give it due to one interaction problem

after GS gets gutted....melee primalist is just full on gone...

[patent dock]

Yeah, not maxing out concentrated storm is a big loss

[winged swallow]

I guess i'll give it a whirl and see how it feels

super easy to level skills in the end game

[winged swallow]

I feel no difference. But I am a "Skeleton theory crafter" not a "Optimizing theory crafter"

I make cool and wacky skeletons. I'm usually garbage at actually optimizing them to destroy the game

[tranquil lintel]

I feel that on a deep level

[winged swallow]

wish the damn Target dummy had a "DPS Meter" active when you start hitting it so I could actually see if it changed anything

kinda hard to tell when a literal stream of numbers are coming out to the point it is unreadable

[tranquil lintel]

sometimes I just go kill normal abberoth

I do it often enough that its obvious when my damage has increased and sometimes you get 2lp nihilis out of it

[candid topaz]

how risky is this for frogs

you know what... i just noticed

[near leaf]

Imo you loose too much

[candid topaz]

no area skill now

yeah

rip

they added these cool new items but they just dont do anything xD

[winged swallow]

I won't be using any "Super version" of a attribute all of their downsides are insanely severe for my build style (Attack speed maniac)

[candid topaz]

I just hate evos end so much

hate seeing the dino

any amy I can look for that would be better?

[near leaf]

That amulet doesnt benefit minions for sure

but a Str/Int conversion would like double my dmg ^^

Btw @shut laurel made any progress ?

[candid topaz]

so i tested it at the dummy. I went from 1mil to 3mil

[candid topaz]

I guess it has alot of stats so that would make them stronger

[tranquil lintel]

havoc runes are silly

[near leaf]

I guess from the +20 attributes

[candid topaz]

and the +6 str and dex

[near leaf]

But what I went is the conversion

[candid topaz]

however

[near leaf]

Brutality has no effect on str minions

[candid topaz]

its just the extra str

wait

you mean that the armor pen from str for the frogs do not work now?

[near leaf]

No, the main benefit of Brutality is More Dmg per Mana Cost

[candid topaz]

oh, well yeah

[near leaf]

This doesnt work on minion

[candid topaz]

yeah but I wasn't really thinking of that

frogs only like one thing

[near leaf]

Not just because frogs dont have mana cost

[candid topaz]

stats 🙁

[patent dock]

Apathy can be good for low life melee EQ

[patent dock]

You could use exulis with guile and madness probably, brutality is a big miss for frogs, losing all your armor is not good

[sly bobcat]

toast didn't you make a swarmblade bane of winter build

or was it spellblade

[candid topaz]

doesn't gulie also remove armor

what does madness do again?

[patent dock]

Just spellblade

[patent dock]

It reduces it some, but most of your armor comes from strength

[patent dock]

You take more damage from crits, if you have 100% crit avoid it's meaningless

[candid topaz]

hmm

[azure grotto]

Why does upheaval have a fire sign next to it ? Is there a way to convert it ?

[mossy coral]

It's a 🐛

[winged swallow]

a relic of the past. That for some reason they just refuse to remove just to tease us

Primalist was gonna have "fire" themed stuff to embrace a magma lord theme. But this was scrapped and forge guard was made instead

And we got druid instead

why it still hasn't been removed tho? not a dang clue

[patent dock]

I'm not sure where you got that info, upheaval is a relatively new skill

[mossy coral]

New!?

[patent dock]

The fire icon just popped up this season I think

[mossy coral]

Only this season yeah

[patent dock]

Relatively

[mossy coral]

Wish I could do the brain emote now

[patent dock]

Like compared to the time FG has been in the game

Upheaval was added only a few versions before multiplayer

[mossy coral]

I started to play when every class was out

Saw some girl playing her sentinel with 100000 hammers and I bought the game, never found that video again after that

Did I pick sentinel? No I picked primalist and it's my most played

[patent dock]

Hammerdin is pretty fun

[sly bobcat]

that fire icon only just recently popped up. it never had it before

[mossy coral]

Waiting for them to make chaining good, doesn't feel great to play it and the progression with it is ass

[azure grotto]

So, we still don't know why the fire icon is there ?

[patent dock]

Nope, we just know it's a bug

[sly bobcat]

it's just a bug. it showed up for whatever reason or another when they made changes to upheaval

[mossy coral]

S5 teaser for sure

[sly bobcat]

incoming fire conversion unique

[patent dock]

They might have been planning on adding a fire conversion, or they might have wonked up when adding the lightning icon

[sly bobcat]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Rahyeh's Embrace originally interacted with a fire conversion

or the natural wrath idol

[patent dock]

Or natural wrath, since EQ already has a fire convert

[sly bobcat]

yeah

[patent dock]

and ultimately, they might have changed it to lightning instead since there's already Bhuldar's for fire EQ

[sly bobcat]

it's a lil weird that a Rahyeh item converts spriggan

the birds I understand

[mossy coral]

They wanted to avoid this, surely

[patent dock]

I think burning tree makes sense

lol

[sly bobcat]

has trinity of flames literally ever had a good use case?

or even just a use case

[patent dock]

Nope

[mossy coral]

Noooooooope

[sly bobcat]

why does it need a crit multi penalty

[mossy coral]

Also "does not include subskills"

[sly bobcat]

you can already crit cap pretty easily so making every third spell crit is basically just like giving you 33% crit rate and then ignoring the crit gearing process

[mossy coral]

It has 16% increased fire damage

Tempest strike theme without tempest strike

Every 3rd tornado have 100% crit chance with orbs lesssgooo

[sly bobcat]

you know what would be a cool design for it? "Your spells can not crit normally. Every third fire spell you directly cast is a guaranteed crit. Spells triggered by your critical hits are duplicated X times"

you get to ignore the crit gearing process, it interacts with triggers in a neat way, still allows you to benefit from crit multi if you wanted to go that route

[mossy coral]

It would be funny if the idol applied to not just direct uses, could've been a full crit multi build with stuff like Volcanus

[azure grotto]

Are shockwaves from upheaval's sundering strike node, and aftersocks from earthquake the same thing ?

And if not, can upheaval only trigger the aftershocks from earthquake with that idol affix ?

[mossy coral]

They're different

Any melee attack can trigger aftershocks with the idol, you just need to be next to the enemy

[mossy coral]

Yeah would be cool, do something with that idol and singularity 🙏

Singularity is literally just a leveling item no one use, and niche to find in that area

[sly bobcat]

singularity is hilarious because a min-roll is only barely better than nothing at all

it's equivalent to like 60% increased crit

[mossy coral]

[sly bobcat]

and that's assuming you have 0 sources of flat crit. if you have any the value of singularity plummets dramatically

[mossy coral]

Yeah very strange idol, cool combo with wing guard I guess

Lol I just thought about the subskill thing for Trinity, if you used Gambler's Fallacy you get crit with every subskill but not that idol

It also could have a purpose if it gave 116% ignite chance

[wicked jacinth]

how can you convert upheaval to fire?

[mossy coral]

It can be cold, phys or lightning

[wicked jacinth]

ah, then why does it have a fire symbol when hovering over it and looking at all skills?

[mossy coral]

Bugged

[wicked jacinth]

ahh ok

[patent dock]

Leveling item that requires level 42

They could literally give it no level req and it would barely be used by alt characters

[limpid veldt]

I want to ask. For howl of the west wind setting

how does it handle mapping?

[patent dock]

Same way as all wolf builds, spamming swipe to trigger spirit wolves

[limpid veldt]

hmm spirit wolves receive lightning bonus too?

interesting

[patent dock]

A spirit wolf is just a melee attack made by your actual wolves

[limpid veldt]

ah

for primodial

should I consider t-rex or nest?

[mossy coral]

That's a lot of healing from one warcry

288 from 4 maelstroms

[patent dock]

Whetstone gavel I know is a viable one, I don't remember what people typically run for lightning wolves though

[mossy coral]

You want to run tempest maw

[limpid veldt]

yeah but I'm asking for relic slot

[patent dock]

Dual tempest maws or storm breaker are both fine too yeah

[winged swallow]

with omen's buffing idols like crazy. the primordial that boosts non-unique idols by 60% and a omen altar that boosts them by another 50% can go crazy with the amount of free stats

[mossy coral]

Kind of a flexible spot, most likely a relic for defense

[limpid veldt]

nah I want to maximize dmg

[patent dock]

Well, there's only those two options if you want one in that slot specifically... t rex is only good if you stack for it, and lightning wolves aren't super synergistic with it, so I'd say nest

If you want to maximize damage, then you want a different primordial

[limpid veldt]

there is?

[winged swallow]

Like imagine boosts your idols that much while all your idols have 110% HP regen while transformed. You'd be getting like 1500% from idols alone

[limpid veldt]

@patent dock since I'm not aware of any better one

[patent dock]

but yeah, nest is a good all around relic

[mossy coral]

Nest can give more dmg, crit etc, whatever you need

[limpid veldt]

hmm

nest gives better attack speed I think

[mossy coral]

Oh hang on, it doesn't boost weaver and corrupt enchants does it?

[limpid veldt]

I remember that crow uses t-rex in maxroll

[patent dock]

You own attack speed is not insignificant

[limpid veldt]

because we dont have any cast speed idol for crow I think

[patent dock]

Yeah, I don't see why it wouldn't

[limpid veldt]

minion attack speed?

[mossy coral]

Bonkers

[patent dock]

Player attack speed, to proc more spirit wolves

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

[mossy coral]

🐺

[winged swallow]

can swipe be "cold converted"?

[mossy coral]

I wish

[winged swallow]

does swipe get any full conversions?

[mossy coral]

Yeah lightning

[winged swallow]

wait wtf....why does wrath of the wilds say "Swipe does more cold damg".....it has no cold convert game...

[patent dock]

That's why the multiplier is so high

[winged swallow]

are the devs trolling?

[patent dock]

You can always stack dex with mourningfrost or add cold damage to it some other way

[winged swallow]

no item or skill tree node for cold damg? like what

minus 1% phys and cold res per dex.....bruh

[patent dock]

Alternatively, just use typed cold only stuff

[mossy coral]

Like this etc

[patent dock]

like shattered lance, ice sceptre, etc.

[mossy coral]

That armor is so cool, wish it was better

Ig it works with cold Lich but still

[patent dock]

I used it a lot back when I played shattered lance locust swarm

[mossy coral]

Love the design, it looks badass

[patent dock]

probably wouldn't use it in modern days though even if they fixed the conversion

[mossy coral]

What conversion?

[patent dock]

The cold one

[mossy coral]

For swipe you mean? Or it gave 30 melee damage

[winged swallow]

know what? i'm bored....IT'S TIME TO COOK UP A COLD BEAR PLANNER

[patent dock]

Referring to this

[mossy coral]

I like the idea of getting extra leech when you're low to help you get back up

Could be nice with leech rate

ah

[patent dock]

the flat on that armor was super valuable for scaling shattered lance, not so much on locust swarm itself, but for aftershocks since I needed all the flat cold I could get on those

[tired inlet]

@winged swallow what exactly causes the loop?

[winged swallow]

fighting 2+ rares/bosses close together

sceptre's are not considered "maces" right? like if a node says "if a mace is equip"?

[azure grotto]

This will proc specced EQ aftershocks, right ?

[winged swallow]

correct

[azure grotto]

Asking because the omen idol on maxroll says earthquake aftershock

[mossy coral]

Does this scale with healing effect? 👀

[sly bobcat]

i don't think so. pretty sure none of the other "on-hit" heals scale with healing effect like rogue's heal on crit or sentinel's % missing health heal

[sly bobcat]

yeah they're the same thing

[mossy coral]

Pretty sure stuff like this scales with it though

Looks small but with 1200 effect it's 480

[sly bobcat]

i'll get around to playing a set of duo-specific characters at some point. that healing effect stuff reminded me that my brother never made his character for us to play with lol

[mossy coral]

He can play heal effect druid or something, when he warcries he heal you and him for 3600

Doubled if low life

[sly bobcat]

we were gonna have him stack heal effect and spam the shit out of Thorn Shield on me for bleed chance and phys damage

heal effect, cast speed, and defenses

then I'd play some kind of bleed acolyte

bleed forge strike sounds pretty sick now that I think about it. you can get some JUICY pops with abyssal echoes

[mossy coral]

Wow Root seeds can heal 200, which is 2400 with this 👀

[sly bobcat]

yeah

i had it setup so that he would generate vale spirits passively with the relic, and then effectively just use it as a CD buff/heal

it's got a heal, phys shred, and flat phys spell damage on it

but if I'm doing forge strike I don't need the spell damage and can move points to other areas

[mossy coral]

Werebear can just casually heal 5400 and 2400 with root seeds

Okay hunter restoration is useless, it's health gain

same with health gain from mana

[azure grotto]

Says i should take this node, but don't see any source of chill

[mossy coral]

You can get it from warcry or some points in shaman tree

[sly bobcat]

it probably comes from the passive tree

[azure grotto]

Maybe it's this ?

So, i take the warcry cold conversio node until I can equip this helm ?

[mossy coral]

Since when did the endurance threshold node bug on TS come back?

Oh great that node is like 0,0001 now

gained 1 health every 5th hit

[patent dock]

Right

[patent dock]

No, it is probably on passives like in shaman tree

[mossy coral]

Found something balanced

[patent dock]

Sounds too OP for primalist, better delete that before devs see and nerf it

[mossy coral]

any companion

[azure grotto]

Why not just cold conversion node on warcry ?

[patent dock]

It just doesn't apply chill

[azure grotto]

But it does freeze

[mossy coral]

1300 heal with 1200 healing effect, 1.5 CD with 32% CDR

[neon seal]

nice

[limpid merlin]

hihi, want to try primalist this season. is there any builds that focus on tornado?

[azure grotto]

Any reason why the one on the left gives me significantly more DPS when i have upheaval specced to lightning with that idol ?

[patent dock]

Yes, very momentarily, you want chill to take advantage of that EQ node

[patent dock]

Because it has a huge amount more flat damage than the other one

[azure grotto]

But that's flat physical, isn't it supposed to not affect upheaval after lighting conversion ?

[patent dock]

All your flat damage still gets added; the flat phys stays phys, the flat lightning is always lightning, and the conversion makes that +24 melee damage implicit into lightning

[neon seal]

any build with necrotic maelstorm?

i want use this

[azure grotto]

Yeah, i'm definitely not understanding how the damage works here. For me, a skill with no physical in tooltip shouldn't benefit from +flat melee physical damage. Not sure what's i'm missing.

[wise leaf]

you are correct that you're not understanding it

flat always gets added

adaptive is just also converted to the tagged damage type

[azure grotto]

What's adaptive ?

[wise leaf]

the flat that doesn't have a damage type

is generally called adaptive

[azure grotto]

Yeah, the +24 melee damage implicit. That part i understand.

But the 77 melee physical damage affecting a lightning converted upheaval is where you lost me

[wise leaf]

idk what you want me to explain other then yes, it does get added

[azure grotto]

It's weird and confusing. Why have tags like physical and lightning when they both work ?

[wise leaf]

because the tag dictates what adaptive converts to

that's all it is

[tranquil lintel]

necrotic maelstrom is just used to add flat damage to minions pretty much

[candid topaz]

I did it!

[winged swallow]

in tempest strike's skill tree. Is "druid's call" tag based or damage type based?

Like if I used swipe without full lightning convert and I have mourningfrost boots I will be hitting for lightning/physical/cold each hit. would that allow me to trigger each TS?

[wind schooner]

Hi, Is it possible to change from shaman to druid?

[winged swallow]

yes. while in the "end of time" go to the respec npc and respec your entire mastery. It is extremely expensive tho

[azure grotto]

Are the nodes that add 2 and 4 lines to upheaval viable ? The 1 line upheaval looks kinda whack ...

[winged swallow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6r08Vr

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (22) / Shaman (8) / Druid (58)

General:

▸ Health: 4,895, Regen: 1,660.56/s
▸ Mana: 340.84, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 78%, Regen: 241/s
▸ Attributes: 49 Str / 79 Dex / 14 Int / 66 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 100% / 141% / 104% / 130% / 187% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 83%, Threshold: 1,718
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (430)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,501)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Used skills:

Swipe / Tempest Strike / Maelstrom / Werebear Form / Warcry

[winged swallow]

cold werebear version 1

[limpid veldt]

ah ok. How about bleed squirrel?

do the same?

[surreal rock]

Kind of went to bed after that, but the passive sustained number of bees was 43 when I ran around with it. Didn't spend much time crunching numbers and looking askew if the numbers add up properly, since this is the culmination of over a week's worth of grinding specifically for this one moment and I'm als orather spent after all that effort. Did think about a few very minor potential improvements overall, but in terms of execution, I'm pretty much done trying to push the build further.

[patent dock]

Yeah, same

[limpid veldt]

Hmm

Saying bee

I wonder if bee spriggan is good

It's too hard for necro to produce bee

[shut laurel]

took a break from the game actually and now coming back I don't feel like perfecting the build and try to go above 1k corruption, I kinda reached my goals I would say so I'm gonna move to my next project and try the pure upheaval totem shaman since I have gear laying around (storm totem version probably still better but well whats the fun in that)

[naive magnet]

I tried bee health reg, abusing the 6hp reg per bee. Its easy to get to 5k hp reg per second for the full melee cold damage set bonus, but cold upheaval still hits like a wet noodle 🙁

[surreal rock]

A little extension on this, since there was a funny thing I'd noticed. In human form, the bee count maintains a steady 37-38, while in spriggan form it slowly ramps into 42-43. The relic says +10 bees per 10 seconds, so I'm not sure here... am I only getting half that for some reason?

[shut laurel]

@near leaf last variant I was doing had Astral Blood instead of Wings of Discord, taking advantage of brutality extra health scaling that's a lot of ward (close to 6k hp transformed) and you just go back to using generic %hp large idols

[near path]

does "gathering storm hits" apply to storm bolts?

[wise leaf]

no

wait'

maybe?

[limpid veldt]

after wearing the howl of the west wind helm, the wolf's animation seems to changed and they have lightning tag

so will their base attack become lightning or physical?

and does generic added minion melee damage increase their lightning melee damage?

is it better than self cast avalanche?

pretty sure we do not need the increased shock duration right?

[high stratus]

Probably not

[limpid veldt]

yeah I have insane attack speed

right now

I wonder if I should go pet-based avalanche or self cast avalanche

[limpid veldt]

@karmic bison have you compared the self cast avalanche vs the scopion one?

[raven sluice]

I've been thinking. What if you run bleedbear + 2 squirrels?

[near leaf]

Cool, did you manage Uberroth?

[near leaf]

@high pewter
Oo
So you are trying lightning shatter Totem

???

[shut laurel]

I think it can do it but myself I'm too bad at doing prolonged fights maybe the proper Astral Blood version would have enough to survive some of the attacks so you can still do it doing mistakes (as I do)

[high pewter]

i am, yes

still in campaign tho, but i see the light

[shut laurel]

I did lightly try the totem version I had in mind but starting with no flat on the skill is rough, you really want flat dmg on weapons and the enchant on the idols (they are so massive for it)

but with bad gear the phys version could clear 300+ so I would say it's good tho

can you share a planner @high pewter ? I wanna see what I did different

[high pewter]

lololol. nono...i dont have a planner. i am mostly just winging it currently

[shut laurel]

oh I see

[high pewter]

vlad suggested this cuz i had a buncha extra 3lp stuff sitting around.

[shut laurel]

Also for shatter totem I switched out from swipe to farm monos/omens and I went for warcry for the utility and also another immune window between mauls, it's really useful for omens since you can pull from very far away with all that added aoe on spells

there is no point in trying to keep up swipe stacks when it might mean death and they die from a single maul anyway, I swap when I farm bosses now

[near leaf]

That's a good idea

[mossy coral]

You guys think roots have too low dmg to actually work?

[near leaf]

It has amazing dmg

You should try to make it work

😏

[mossy coral]

Sounds like sarcasm

[near leaf]

It's especially good as Swarmblade
Getting all that juicy Flat Crit really helps

[mossy coral]

[near leaf]

More seriously it's abysmal

And can't be used for bossing

[high stratus]

it's just a utility skill afaict

[near leaf]

Since bosses have reduced duration of immobilised and it only deals dmg while mobs are immobilised

[high stratus]

very nice, now let's see rogue allen's skill

[mossy coral]

I was thinking of what exists and its only roots and tornado with simoon that can deal DoT as werebear, spriggan for example

[near leaf]

Maelstrom

Dot Aftershock

[high stratus]

spriggan gets very few maelstrom stacks really

[mossy coral]

Aftershock is just better on bm lol

[high stratus]

at +200% cast speed spriggan gets <2 maelstrom/s

[near leaf]

Not as spell

Hum actually, now with the new Viper

Maybe BM is better

[high pewter]

does area from upheaval transfer down to shatter?

[mossy coral]

Viper is just free 20% so its already better

[high pewter]

i want some more overlap

[near leaf]

For shatter?

[high pewter]

shatter totem, ya

[high stratus]

in werebear form you can trigger tornado on 7.5% of your swipes, thank you Tempest Strike

[mossy coral]

Yeah it does

[near leaf]

Did you take all the AoE node in Upheaval?

[high pewter]

not yet, just making sure it transfers down

[near leaf]

It does

[high pewter]

aight

[near leaf]

Also Inc aoe works on affix

You can feel it when you get the AoE +shadow cascade shrine

You do big booms

[mossy coral]

Btw vlad I noticed yesterday that with a lot of heal effect you can heal like crazy

[near leaf]

Well, you get a lot more Flat as Werebear

[mossy coral]

Even on swipe which is funny

[near leaf]

So you can run Ladle

[near leaf]

From this?

[mossy coral]

Nono the companion node

When it has 2 sec cooldown

And like leap healing can be broken, root seeds are also nuts, warcry can heal you to full health lol

[proud grotto]

Claws of the bear? Or you talking about the one for the summoned bear that lets it use swipe also with a 2 second cooldown?

[mossy coral]

Yeah

I posted a video yesterday as a test, you can make saber giga single target dps with it and heal you like crazy

32%cdr and its 1,5 cooldown

[high pewter]

i will say tho, the shatter totem is very visually appealing. which is a nice change

[winged swallow]

so dang close to what i'm looking for....just needed to roll boar aspect effect...

[patent dock]

Bosses don't have reduced immobilize duration

[patent dock]

But move speed

[left cliff]

With Laup's Path, the Minions teleport with your traversal skills experimental affix, and the Thorn Totems Rotten Core node (Explodes when they die), will Leaping make old totems Teleport then expode when new ones are summoned?

[high stratus]

should do

I think anyway

[near leaf]

Indeed, I dont know what I thought that

I thought I had tested it

But I just redo it and the duration is the same

Maybe I got mixed up with smth else

[patent dock]

Yeah, I tested again as well just to be sure before I said anything

[tranquil lintel]

sweet

[raven sluice]

I just realised on bleedbear, most of your bleeds come from thornshield, and that doesn't get boosted from having 2 squirrels

Since it only targets one minion anyway

With 10 stacks, bear will have like 800% bleed chance with 75% more dmg on chassis, and then earthquake + aftershocks + thornburst. Also like 500% extra increased physical damage. Squirrels would have like 300% bleed chance with 42% less dmg and not many favorable mechanics when you're permanently spriggan, so basically just autoattack

Might help clear?

[candid topaz]

let fate decide?

[near leaf]

Now corrupt

[forest wharf]

I got a pretty crazy 2h weaver sword with a ton of lightning damage, but I know very little about the current state of primalist. Any good lightning melee builds that could use that?

[south sonnet]

What are you cooking with storm bolts?

[forest wharf]

No attack speed on it though, just high damage, so preferably something that doesn't rely on that

[south sonnet]

Share the screenshot of the sword

[forest wharf]

I'm away from the game atm, just on my phone unfortunately

[south sonnet]

Is it just a single t7 melee lightning mod

Or is it like melee + % +pen?

[forest wharf]

It had several lightning mods on it, but honestly I guess I'll just check again when I can show it. I think it was t5 lightning melee and t7 lightning pen

[south sonnet]

Base itself has decent melee dmg I guess the next thing to think about is if you want to go crit also to scale the range also

[south sonnet]

I looked into all possible skills and if you want pure melee without any spell scaling/triggers your best skill is swipe

[forest wharf]

Ah sorry, it's actually the orb weaver sword

[high stratus]

I don't think that thing is really usable as anything other than a temporary measure even with amazing affixes rolling on it

well that's not literally true, if you rolled ideal T5+ across the board it would be like an amazing exalted item given that it would be a 100 damage +flat crit implicit, some dodge etc.

[south sonnet]

That sword has on base a lot lower dmg then the other one unless you are hitting a boss below 35% so in total I don't think it's worth thinking about a build based on it

You could still swipe with it its just worse on avarage

[forest wharf]

It would be cool having a weapon swap ability in this game. I guess you literally can do that. Maybe I need to find a lightning needle and hot swap at low hp on uberroth lol

[high stratus]

if you do have insane damage on it but no attack speed you could try lightning upheaval with no attack speed scaling

i'm not sure how the base speed of a weapon type works with skills that don't have speed scaling

[south sonnet]

Yea I guess with nature wrath it does convert to lightning

Maybe ignore the procs on nature wrath and go directly to earthquake

[high stratus]

or maybe even lightning melee EQ, attack speed isn't terribly important because you can't afford the mana for high attack speed

[south sonnet]

Just don't take the top lightning nodes for eq bcs then it becomes a spell

[high stratus]

yeah gotta use the idol for upheaval and EQ to be melee lightning options

[forest wharf]

Thanks. Once I get Uber on farm with my rogue I'll probably swap.

[high stratus]

swapping from a rogue that can farm uber reliably to a janky melee primalist isn't gonna feel great lol

[south sonnet]

True

I tried to cook a gathering lightning build that slapped down an upheaval totem that procs eq but that didn't work since nature wrath only allows procs of your casts so it only worked when I summoned the totem

[high stratus]

if you want minion scaled upheaval and EQ you can try scorpion

[south sonnet]

Not minion scaled

[high stratus]

scorpion can trigger both via boulders

[high stratus]

if upheaval totem could proc nature's wrath it would probably be minion scaled

[south sonnet]

Upheaval was there just to proc eq it's dmg was irrelevant, I was just trying to cast lightning spell eq with it

But yea here it says it cant

But I guess in the end it was just overengineered way to save 50% mana cost

Totally not worth it

[high stratus]

I could see a build with avalanche building storm bolts, triggering avalanche and thus EQ at a steep discount

probably with thorn totem idol and shatter totem and lightning spell EQ

mana seems kinda tough and idk if it would do the most insane damage but even so

[tardy frost]

The problem is its too hard to hit 30 storm stacks without jumping through too many hoops

[wicked jacinth]

does anyone know why I can only summon one storm crow when I have more max companions and crow is the only companion in my bar?

[tardy frost]

Land before

[high stratus]

have you used the idol with +max companions or taken either of the solo companion nodes in the beastmaster passive tree

[tardy frost]

Reading your items explains your items

Well some of the time that is, we aren't in mtg

[wicked jacinth]

ah I had land before on, I guess I just misunderstood how it works

[high stratus]

universes beyond last epoch would be the most errata'd set of all time

[tardy frost]

Haven't been following it much after the ub fiasco but have they printed a more convoluted card than panglacial wurm?

[crude breach]

what on earth...

[high stratus]

they changed the interaction between urza's saga and blood moon so that saga stays on the board and keeps all the abilities it had already gained but also becomes a mountain and the saga stuff stops advancing.

If you play Urza's saga on the draw T1 and your opponent plays a T3 blood moon you have a mountain that can make a construct every turn. It's a bit slow to make much of an impact in most formats but it's a complete reversal on the old dynamic of moon effects instantly binning saga lands

[tardy frost]

Lol but why would they do it

[high stratus]

when they did the final fantasy set they made loads of sagas and new saga creatures and they wanted to change the rule about sagas instantly dying when they stop being sagas so that Dress Down wouldn't instantly kill every saga creature.

sagas just get paused while they're not sagas now

[forest wharf]

@high stratus @south sonnet this is the weapon I was mentioning earlier

With the weaver set, that's a ~300% crit mod

[near leaf]

[wind mortar]

Hey Boys! Got a quick question! Can a monster hit your ass so hard it knocks you out of spriggan form?

or the only way to leave form is running out of fury?

[near leaf]

Should not be possible

Unless you have some kind of Dmg to Mana

Like with Seed

[crude breach]

singing bear?

[crude breach]

what is this diablo 2?

[mossy coral]

Nice CD

[high stratus]

is just thorn totem idols insufficient to make shatter totem good even if you're hitting a lot to trigger reliably?

[patent dock]

It has a 1s cooldown, which isn't too terrible, though it is only 5 max compared to laup's 6

[high stratus]

gah why is the shaman passive tree so bad

[mossy coral]

Wdym they buffed this

[patent dock]

Shaman is not allowed to have nice things

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgR12YEL cooking up something terrible

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (80)

General:

▸ Health: 2,867, Regen: 127.44/s
▸ Mana: 680.51, Regen: 39.44/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 25 Dex / 29 Int / 111 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 36% / 60% / 75% / 131% / 36% / 96% / 123%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 866
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (136)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,518)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Upheaval / Avalanche / Earthquake / Summon Thorn Totem

[mossy coral]

It's perfect for 2 second CD swipe

[near leaf]

I hate you

[high stratus]

Where's the crit, do they really want me to use singularity

[mossy coral]

[high stratus]

I can't anyway, I need to crit for avalanche

[mossy coral]

You need upheaval to be AoE and cost more mana

[high stratus]

I should get 2 upheavals/s, I'm just going to close my eyes and pray

[patent dock]

fyi this is only going to work for you if you directly use upheaval

[high stratus]

ah never used it before, it doesn't say direct so I kinda hoped

I can get frailty instead

[mossy coral]

I've thought about so many ways of using primal bulwark but it just feels bad

[patent dock]

The "when you use" is an older wording for direct cast

[tardy frost]

aren't you excited to be a raging barbarian beating people up with elemental-enchanted weapons?

enh shaman from aliexpress

[mossy coral]

Want damage or less mana issues? Use no AS scaling.
Not using upheaval as primary attack? Unusable

[patent dock]

Honestly I do kinda want to run low life shaman apathy stacker spamming melee EQ

[high stratus]

I'd be a lot more excited if that raging barbarian didn't have a D6 hit die and a 21-21 crit range

[left cliff]

What exactly is a "minions' skill"? Do basic attacks count? Please tell me it's not just their activated abilities

[tardy frost]

sounds good for avalanche builds, except they don't even benefit that much cause xylem

[mossy coral]

I think you'll run out of mana unless you still hit enemies with swipe or something in between cooldowns

[tardy frost]

they do if they have a lightning tag

i.e. crows

[mossy coral]

Any basic attack or skill they use, they just need to match the element you have gathering storm in

[tardy frost]

can't wait to hit mobs for 6 mana a piece in melee range in a full caster build

[near leaf]

It works with maul

[left cliff]

Got it, okay. Perfect. Thank you!

[high stratus]

storm totem, storm crows, lightning scorpion all work for lightning GS

[patent dock]

Any attack/spell they hit with counts, it just checks if the minion tag matches your GS element

[high stratus]

lightning wolves too I guess

probably

don't quote me on that

[mossy coral]

It WHAT? Are you using it?

[patent dock]

What the

[left cliff]

Too late. Now building a Lightning wolf build based on this.

[near leaf]

I did , not anymore

[patent dock]

I don't plan on scaling attack speed much

[mossy coral]

Attunement stacking bear holy

[near leaf]

But I am telling you it working

[high stratus]

hear me out, event horizon upheaval with no speed scaling

the much much lesser cousin of rampage aftershock event horizon

[sly bobcat]

my buddy just got his first red ring drop. it was a natural drop at level 72

lol

[patent dock]

This was my shattered lance plan

[high stratus]

I was looking at event horizon with avalanche triggering melee upheaval & EQ but apparently you gotta directly use melee attacks to get time dilation stacks

so i moved to xylem and spell EQ/shatter

[mossy coral]

Gotta find the amount that feels good enough, not too fast and not too slow to also keep up with your mana regen

[high stratus]

it would take like 9 seconds to fully stack event horizon lol

[near leaf]

OO

[mossy coral]

-16 FP incomming

[patent dock]

lol there's a reason I've never actually tried an event horizon build

[mossy coral]

Maybe evade with lightning in a bottle works to help you stack it?

But that belt is terrible, absolute terrible

[high stratus]

if you're not trolling read the third to last line

[mossy coral]

I totally forgot about it losing the stacks when I typed that

[high stratus]

not that I'd expect people to know every line on event horizon, it's very niche jank

[mossy coral]

What if evade is replaced?

[tardy frost]

lol not even the developers know that

[tardy frost]

would be much less niche if it didnt nerf your move speed

[patent dock]

It should still kill your stacks, but idk

[left cliff]

What the.. "you can summon up to your max companions" effects mean I can't use the companion's ability if I summon another minion and the original is no longer at my companion limit..?

[near leaf]

Lol I sealed a suffix, so I cant craft last bear on it
Rip

[high stratus]

summon crab, I choose you

[mossy coral]

uh oh

[tardy frost]

just hit it with removal

[mossy coral]

[near leaf]

I am happy with my body armor rn

[high stratus]

just shatter it and save the shards for next time

[near leaf]

If I decide to upgrade it, Ill imprint that one

[mossy coral]

Imprint it

[high stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLbNHoEVO5w this build does look cool

you'd never want to actually play it without something like ahk but it's neat

[mossy coral]

That looks so jank and ahk its going off the charts

After he killed that big pack he walked with -30 MS, snail movement

He also went out of form, ish xD

[sly bobcat]

armblade slash doesn't inherit the dex scaling from serpent strike right? it'll still scale with attunement and strength and only use dex for the armor shred on the serpent tree?

[high stratus]

there was apparently a bug (a bug? in last epoch you say) that knocked him out of form when he got stunned or something

[mossy coral]

He reached 0 rage

went into bug form

then back to werebear

[near leaf]

OO

[mossy coral]

I'm surprised spamming rampage like that isn't bugging you out, it used to when you spammed it in online

[near leaf]

Maybe LL Melee Bear Str stacking

[sly bobcat]

anyone in here played a multi-form build that utilized those nodes that swap human form to something else?

[mossy coral]

Not bad

I don't think you can Confeh, literally

[tardy frost]

it used to be a real build around uh 0.8.4? Back before they drastically increased the health of everything and you could get away having a zdps build

[near leaf]

Thats 6% Inc Dmg per str

[sly bobcat]

is that legal

[mossy coral]

Increased, armor, flat spell, int from 1 point of strength? Sign me up

Why on earth does this exist

Slightly more dps from wolves?

Lucky to get 2 wolves per attack?

[tardy frost]

1000000000000% more area coverage from wolves

You are right however, why it exists is a good question when it's so mandatory that the build is basically unplayable in normal gameplay without it

pure, concentrated illusion of choice

not that it is in any way unusual for this game but still

[mossy coral]

It's like "might as well have a spirit wolf per time I use swipe" but its not gonna pack a punch, since you're probably not scaling it

[tardy frost]

oh wait it's a different node

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's not the 45% chance per swipe attack

[high stratus]

wasn't reflect druid using the spriggan to werebear one to extend thorn shields and rampage around?

[sly bobcat]

no clue. I thought it was just spamming thorn shields

[tardy frost]

it still has a use I guess but it's more that you don't really need to be in claws of the bear/primal resonance in a wolf build

I would replace it with a node that had any synergy with any of the minions you actually want to be playing with Primal Resonance but it is what it is

[mossy coral]

Healing is really nice (from a BM passive), 100% uptime of howl is nice too, it just won't add DPS from spirit wolves anymore just 1 every x second you use it

[tardy frost]

like idk make it so it spawns a ghost image of your companion that after a small delay charges a nearby enemy and unloads its active skill or something

[mossy coral]

Btw I saw spell lightning wolves build before that didn't have any % chance to cast GS, just retaliate when hit. How can that even be good

Am I missing something?

[tardy frost]

it isn't

last time I saw a build like that it was experimental back when they first added that effect

and it was mostly fueled by retalibear nostalgia

turns out it wasn't remotely in the ballpark of retalibear

[mossy coral]

I think I saw actionarpg use it too

[high stratus]

it's bad

[tardy frost]

here an easy rule of thumb, if Aaron then troll build

[mossy coral]

I don't see how that thing does damage, just your normal melee wolves and call it "lightning spell wolves"

Since it triggers once in a blue moon

[tardy frost]

it could be good if they made it work like retalibear but with less stress on the servers

[near leaf]

LETS GO !!

[tardy frost]

like imagine if once per second they unloaded a storm bolt at a nearby enemy, with 100% additional more damage per 30(40) damage they took over that second

[near leaf]

This was my previous weapon

[mossy coral]

Damn nice sword

[tardy frost]

or what was the retalibear breakpoint I forgot

[mossy coral]

Upgrade from the trash you had before

[near leaf]

I almost dont want to corrupt it

[tardy frost]

I started wondering this morning why my glyph ignite rm sucked so much, then I found out I was still using the leveling gear in 200 corr lol

sometimes you just discover the weirdest things

[tardy frost]

I see a lot of frenzied swiping in your future

[mossy coral]

Better than a brick!

[near leaf]

Easier Swipe Ramp

[mossy coral]

I gotta say, the worst thing you can corrupt is amulets since hitting any stat conversion can brick it

[near leaf]

Lol

I can tank julra's time bomb

[tardy frost]

some kinda do nothing (at least in some builds) but if you hit apathy or guile you are SOL

[near leaf]

Just by using maul at the right time

[mossy coral]

Yeah I've trashed a lot of amulets

[near leaf]

OOF

We are getting kinda close on those res

Thx corruption

[vapid canopy]

@near leaf primal cadence + upheaval is chefskiss in echos

did you try that?

[near leaf]

No, but Conf did and was pretty happy about it too

[sly bobcat]

yeah it was fun

it falls off eventually

[vapid canopy]

I compared it with earthquake and yeah

earthquake dmg is bonkers

and also cleaning your entire screen with cadence

when I disable the attack speed scaling on upheaval can I use that for event horizon?

might be good to bonk bosses with event horizon

[near leaf]

Ah! I think I found smth to build around for my next character

[high stratus]

I remember seeing all these crazy attribute stacking setups with legend's entwined and the weaver set amulet pre-season. Were they bad or did they just use unrealistic gear?

[vapid canopy]

probably both

exulis is hard to get in good

[near leaf]

For what build ?

Because this is exactly what I am playing on shatter totem

[tardy frost]

just hop one channel higher and you'll see where all of these builds went

playing mage without LE+weaver is trolling at this point

S+ tier build variety, as always tho

[high stratus]

next you'll tell me they're all using lightning blast too

[tardy frost]

well those who don't troll all do

but on a more serious note the LE+vilatria skews the balance even more in favor of lightning builds

as if they needed any more incentive

[high stratus]

LE + vilatria + spoon does look to be a blight on mage build diversity

[tardy frost]

always had been, always will be

[patent dock]

One of the things that hurt those builds is us finding out you can't get a corrupted affix on set items

[high stratus]

spoon is just insanely good as long as you can get flat from somewhere without getting much from your weapon

[tardy frost]

I still remember how we kept saying that the spoon was one of the dumbest uniques added to the game, along with another like 10 dumb uniques added in the same patch

like you know.. dumb solution

fundamental criterion

wrongwarp

[patent dock]

Exulis is a neat one, but farming that boss is oof

[high stratus]

I don't understand how wrongwarp keeps getting hit while the spoon abides

[near leaf]

So is that my next build ???

[patent dock]

Sounds like it

[high stratus]

do this #🐺┃primalist message but with storm bolts & lightning spell aftershocks

[polar vortex]

About to fry the screen

[tardy frost]

is it even remotely good? Last time I tried it after the rework it was still giga shit

[tardy frost]

same reason why falconer and tempest strike exist in the same game

[near leaf]

Nah, it will be bad

[vapid canopy]

I wasn't aware upheaval is usable with event horizon with the earthbreaker node

[mossy coral]

I kind of want to do a build like this at one point, the damage will be too trash to even work

[sly bobcat]

it used to be good once upon a time

[tardy frost]

"usable" is a bit generous

[sly bobcat]

I did that when I was farming for my wind tempest build

[vapid canopy]

let's call it bypass then of the attack speed debuff

7 mil crit on dummy per upheaval

could be worse considering the aoe

[high stratus]

Takes 9s to stack it and then you can't move unless you evade which means another 9s ramp

I was thinking avalanche to trigger upheaval and eq with it but that doesn't work because only direct melee attacks stack the buff/debuff

[vapid canopy]

ill just stick with cadence for now

truly feels great for echos

[left cliff]

How does Excited Bolts behave while you're transformed? The GS node that drains mana to buff Storm Bolt damage

[sly bobcat]

it'll still drain your rage

rage is just mana with a different color that drains over time

[left cliff]

Got it, okay. Thanks!

[mellow kestrel]

Plz share ! I think there’s potential with this helm

[polar vortex]

It was all for nothing. Imprint nerf made CoF useless.

[sly bobcat]

just go do nemesis encounters

I have a full stash tab of multi exalts

because of nemesis

and prophecies

and i literally only ever play CoF. the imprint nerf really wasn't that bad

[near leaf]

Prophecies and imprints are completely separate

[polar vortex]

Currently feeling defeated, I used to be able to hunt LP3 Palarus in a matter of days, now chasing a single 2xt7 staff on a good base seems like a distant dream

[polar vortex]

So the imprints don't affect prophecies?

[sly bobcat]

never did

read the triggers on the imprints. they're from killing monsters, opening caches, killing champions, and finishing echo rewards

[winged swallow]

A rock chainsaw so potent that the second I fight more then one rare or boss at a time I currently auto crash the game

[polar vortex]

Fair enough. Been killing for days though and still not 2xt7

[near leaf]

You can still farm 3lp palarus super easily
I got like 4 in the stash rn
Multi exalted on the other hand are rarer

[south sonnet]

Only way to play the game

[sly bobcat]

yeah multi exalts are more rare since you can't turbo farm them with imprints in the lizard map, but they're still very common from nemesis in empowered monos

[winged swallow]

i'm not kidding btw. the very second I fight more then one rare at a time I crash

[south sonnet]

Maybe diversify your scaling then

[winged swallow]

never. the rock chainsaw must live

[south sonnet]

Fair

May the processor be with you

[winged swallow]

it's the servers that are the problem

they can't handle 2k-10k storm bolts coming out per second

the PC handles it fine. doesn't even go higher then 48 degrees

[mossy coral]

Maybe it works totally fine in offline

[left cliff]

The Swarmblade node Viper's Call doesn't make Armblade hits count as Serpent Strike hits does it? Specifically for the Plague Dragon's Tongue spear

[sly bobcat]

if the game is crashing then it's more likely that unity can't handle it

if it were stressing the servers then other people would most likely be getting impacted by your storm bolts

like the old dive bomb smoke bomb stuff people were doing was causing physical damage to their server machines

[winged swallow]

that's hilarious

[mossy coral]

Oh yeah I remember that xD

[high stratus]

I think they said the penance self-hit acolyte stuff in 1.2 was giving the servers a hard time

[sly bobcat]

yeah i was gonna mention that one too

[high stratus]

that was fun while it lasted

bone golem has never looked better

[winged swallow]

yeah I will see roughly 10-30 physical storm bolt dust clouds then it goes to like 100 then 500 then the thousands my screen becomes a full on sandstorm and then the game gives up for roughly 2 minutes. Then it unfreezes and i'm usually dead. And anytime I press any ability after that I will freeze for a minute straight. Relaunching the game fixes it

it's not a "hard crash" but it does make the game completely unplayable until I relaunch it

[patent dock]

It does work, yeah

[left cliff]

Oh, neat! Thanks

This build keeps getting further and further from my original goal of "Mass Storm Bolt Squirrels" 😹

[high stratus]

would your build still troll you like that if you weren't dual wielding?

or is that dual wielding node causing the issues?

[mossy coral]

Huh, CD swipe with a frenzy totem seems like it made my wolves 100% crit chance

I do have 2 phantom grips though

Very good for lvl 62 and would've been great for leveling

[sly bobcat]

Tempest Strike got me wanting to ask for a DoT buff. I tried to post a DoT multi suggestion in the suggestions channel and automod blocked it

[near leaf]

You need to respect the format

[sly bobcat]

I can't see anything in my post that I would think would trigger the automod. ther'es no profanity or anything

[near leaf]

I can retrieve it for you

[sly bobcat]

I did tho. Title, suggestion

[mossy coral]

Ofc I get an upgrade for the aftershock BM when I'm not playing it

[mossy coral]

Less swearing!

[near leaf]

I dont see your messages in the logs at all

[sly bobcat]

I don't think it made it that far. it's got a message below it that says the server owners can see it

[near leaf]

OO

Even in the censored section

[sly bobcat]

usually that shows up when there's profanity or something in the message. I have no clue what would be stopping it

unless I'm hitting the scunthorpe problem

[near leaf]

Yes but that should appear in the censored logs

[mossy coral]

This got to be as useless as the 3 mana back when you transform back to human

[near leaf]

Unless its from discord itself

And not by our bot

[near leaf]

weird

[mossy coral]

I hate how you can't press the up arrow to get your message again, it's just lost

I saw some person get real mad about it in feedback channel a little while ago

[sly bobcat]

i wonder if it'll get blocked posting it in here. I have it on my clipboard still

inb4 I get autobanned for some reason

[mossy coral]

Well you can send it as a image with snippet tool

[winged swallow]

If I find a 2-hand worth a damn and the champion omen echo again i'll give it a whirl and see if two-eye is the whole reason for the crash or not. Can't beat the echo anyways so might as well use it for testing

[sly bobcat]

yeah it got blocked in here too

tf

what is getting blocked in that?

[near leaf]

Oo

Can you dm it to me ?

[sly bobcat]

yeah

[high stratus]

It's too good an idea for this discord, absolutely verboten

[sly bobcat]

[mossy coral]

Maybe too many weapons, considered dangerous

[high stratus]

If they let you post that next you'll be saying shaman should get some useful passives

[sly bobcat]

look there's a slippery slope here and I'm willing to tread it

first we allow all DoTs to be good and not just a very select few

then we get a shaman that does more than just a single meme build that happened to scale to stupid levels

[mossy coral]

Aftershock bug nerf fix with another nerf

You're saying Shaman had a DoT build that wasn't a meme and it was good?

[sly bobcat]

technically reflect was a DoT

in the sense that it was dealing damage in pulses over time

lol

[mossy coral]

Lol

I'd be fine with you remove that armor, it doesn't have any procs/second like literally every item in the game

[sly bobcat]

I do think that the stat would be a really good addition though. The numbers don't even have to be all that high for it to be good, nor should they be high since they don't need multiple stats to function in tandem

Crit needs Increased Crit, Flat Crit, and Crit Multi

so it seems fine if crit multi is naturally higher

[mossy coral]

Remove minions just because you're medusa and that's the only problem it has/had, afaik you can still walk to abberoth and farm gear for something different

Thorns are cool and all but adding an item that problematic is the perfect imbalance this game have

[sly bobcat]

Grim Dawn does retaliation pretty well. You can build full thorns and still get the benefit of their natural effect, but a lot of skills will scale with your retaliation damage instead of your normal attack damage

[mossy coral]

When it comes to thorns I like the idea of hitting yourself to proc more thorns as an extra thing to make it have more interactions but that could just be me, I like the concept but usually never in practice

[high stratus]

GD had a lot of teething problems with rata

[mossy coral]

Haven't done a lot in GD

[high stratus]

Remember the rata gunners using ranged multihit wps without damage penalties that got ranged retal nerfed loads

(Basically a multihit proc which has less damage per hit but retal damage added to attacks is unaffected by the usual less damage mods)

[patent dock]

Yeah, I think that's where the concept for the sigeon shield came from, I would have preferred skill tree support in a few skills for it, since just having it one one skill from one unique makes it a lot less fun to build on imo

[sly bobcat]

Vengeance feels like a good candidate to have your thorns on

[patent dock]

A very good one, yeah

[sly bobcat]

I can also see it on swipe or a skill node on Spirit Thorns

I mean come on that last one screams it

[patent dock]

I could for sure see something to grant global spell damage while in spriggan form based on your thorns (although that does collide with thicket, so maybe gotta be careful)

[mossy coral]

Pretty much why I went the fire spell variant, I'd even consider doing void but would probably have to use reflect idols

[near leaf]

Put it on a unique body armor

[patent dock]

and in general FG has a lot of thorns theming, too, would be nice to have more on that

[mossy coral]

Does this only include the base affixes when its dropped, implicits or both?

[sly bobcat]

let Forge Strike scale its bleed damage with your thorns

[near leaf]

WW number

[patent dock]

It's for the Weaver's will value, not affix rolls

[mossy coral]

Oh, most of my items are around 10-14

Not sure it's working

[patent dock]

It's very slight, since it's only a 30% chance to do a 'best of 2' roll

kinda like getting 30% more drops, I guess, only not quite

[mossy coral]

If it said potential I would've understood, just so much mumbo jumbo I've no clue what it actually means so I gotta ask

Dropped 50 swords and I can't say the 30% made any difference

[patent dock]

Corruption does boost average WW, but either way getting high WW is like getting high LP, quite rare

[mossy coral]

Hope they do something with WW soon, love the concept but it's so bad. Incredibly bad

[sly bobcat]

Shortened the heck out of my suggestion post and still can't get it through whatever server setting is blocking it

[mossy coral]

I would even be okay if they got a spot as a temporarily used item because they can be so strong, that's what happened with my 1st weaver glove. I think they changed how ww was after it was introduced

[sly bobcat]

well that finally worked

[near leaf]

So ... This is like a good base for a melee build, no ?

[sly bobcat]

no examples allowed

automod did NOT just tell me I needed a minimum length for my title and suggestion after I went through all that

[sly bobcat]

where weaver relic

[near leaf]

This is only for weapon

[sly bobcat]

yeah but the mace scales with number of equipped weaver items doesn't it

get them gloves boots and relic in there

[near leaf]

No ?

[sly bobcat]

just get god rolls on your 28 WW items

[near leaf]

Its the other sword

The one for dots

[sly bobcat]

oooh it's the chance to inflict spiders. I thought it stacked indefinitely

[mossy coral]

It literally says it

[near leaf]

OO

Never noticed

Lol

[sly bobcat]

it only stacks 4 times. if you're attacking fast enough it doesn't matter

and if you're dual wielding, you're probably attacking fast

[near leaf]

Maybe Ill dust up my Warpath FG

[mossy coral]

I like that scaling though, makes you want to have a few more ww items because it will be nicer

[sly bobcat]

you get parry chance when dual wielding too

[mossy coral]

Or why not

[sly bobcat]

for whatever that's worth

[mossy coral]

Traitor in left slot

[sly bobcat]

sentinel should be able to offhand maces tbh

[near leaf]

NO
DW maces would be too powerful

And its not very warrior like

Not very lore accurate

[sly bobcat]

imagine dual wielding renegade's will

[near leaf]

That would be fun

Wait a minute Oo

[sly bobcat]

there's so few unique 1H maces I really don't think it would break anything. that one might be the closest to being broken

Arek's Bones might be pretty fun to dual wield too for crazy armor shred

[near leaf]

Maybe the meme Flame Burst can be reborn

[sly bobcat]

i wonder if I could easily use my same gear from wind tempest for a frostbite bug

getting like 3000% freeze multi from all my attunement i already ahve would be pretty sick with Snowdrift

[mossy coral]

You just had to talk about parry

[sly bobcat]

hell yeah 6% less hit damage taken

[near leaf]

I love the 100% parry as inc melee

[mossy coral]

6% increased melee damage, slow down that's too much damage

[near leaf]

For a total max of ...... 75%

[sly bobcat]

it's so inconsequential

[mossy coral]

Imagine if it said 1000%

[sly bobcat]

i mean that would actually be very very good lol. getting damage from your defenses is always crazy

[mossy coral]

I love that, parry is so niche and very hard to get anyway

[sly bobcat]

you're removing the opportunity cost of parry doing that

[mossy coral]

It's a corrupt mod, you're not gonna get a godlike weapon

[sly bobcat]

I think 500% could be reasonable. You don't want parry to end up being strictly better as a damage increase in that slot

[mossy coral]

You can I guess but weapons will scale most things

It would make people use parry and at least a bit, it is not used right now.

[sly bobcat]

yeah I think that's fine. It's just not healthy for game balance to scale your damage off of a defensive stat. See necrotic res scaling torment in 1.0

[mossy coral]

Lich/rogue dual wield traitor but not for the parry chance for example

Yeah that was bonkers, really stupid imo

[sly bobcat]

basically the reason parry is in a prefix slot currently is because it's a VERY strong defensive effect so it needs to eat up some of your offensive budget if you want the effect. Current parry values just don't really make up for how much you lose in offense though

if you make parry equal to those values then you have a no-brainer affix. every single 1H weapon would want parry chance with parry-DW corrupt.

needs to be lower so there's still some opportunity cost but a high enough incentive to consider it

[mossy coral]

All I'm saying there's a reason to why most people just go for damage, rogue is a perfect example. It can dip everything in damage and at the same time get defenses, now every class that can dualwield is dualwielding.
Less shields and defensive stuff is used on your off-hand, time to bump that up

With traitor tongue it's supposed to be a choice, when its not. Always in off-hand, parry is strong but not reliable when it's 13% or less

[sly bobcat]

yeah you also only have access to it on weapon prefixes

it caps at 75% but there's only a handful of ways to actually reach that cap

[mossy coral]

Can you even reach that cap?

[sly bobcat]

Harmony of the first can do it, I think forge guard can do it

lich has a couple of parry nodes

[mossy coral]

I think that's 5% parry

[sly bobcat]

total of 10 on lich. dunno if she can cap but she can get a lot

if she can cap or get close that's a really strong defensive layer for her. it's something people complain about all the time how lich is squishy. maybe they should look at parry closer. it plays really well with dodge and leech/ward generation, all of which has in spades.

[mossy coral]

So 23 without corrupt mod, that's pretty good. Still think that dagger is too good, I want a reason to have a bit of parry or use that dagger for the parry

It should be hard to get though, or finnicky to use because you have shields that needs block + effect. Parry just needs parry

[wise leaf]

hmmm

[mossy coral]

Its the same thing with majasa shield, it got DoT mitigation that everyone used it over every other shield in the game.

[wise leaf]

i kinda want to do some weird rampancy stacking sword catcher build

but i don't see any skill that actually works

for it

in primalist

[near leaf]

EQ ?

[sly bobcat]

rampancy is the frenzy effect vit replacer right?

[wise leaf]

yeah

[near leaf]

Upheaval ?

[mossy coral]

Bye mana?

[wise leaf]

EQ has too many mana issues, upheaval is either the same or no actual AoE

[sly bobcat]

the upheaval aftershock build maxroll has could probably work well with rampancy. it's already using the belt

[near leaf]

The what ???