🐺┃primalist

[unreal field]

Are you sure I get my GS mana consumption back as well with this?

Only on directly casting a spell :/

[high stratus]

I can see the idea of using storm totem as utility for friends of the tempest but you're also investing partially into scaling its damage.

Minion damage is an all or nothing thing really, splitting your focus like that does nothing good for you

[devout cypress]

you need so much crit chance for earthquake, the lightning idols work for both

[high stratus]

the rings though?

and investing in damage stuff on the storm totem tree

[devout cypress]

id like to use ocearon

[wise leaf]

the rings give you flat crit too

[devout cypress]

and red ring

but i have to get good crit chance rolls and id like crit multi on the staff instead of crit chance

[high stratus]

having the storm totem cast GS makes it less good at generating storm stacks for you too

[devout cypress]

i already gen enough with avalanch?

i cant spend them cuz no mana lol

[wise leaf]

you cap endurance without the blessing

or at least get so close that it's not worth using the blessing

[devout cypress]

if i get good rolls sure

if i have corruptions on all the gear its a minmaxed build

no corruptions = planning for shit rolls

[wise leaf]

you only have 1 roll

the rest is fixed

[devout cypress]

and when i get it ill swap the gear

[wise leaf]

from what i can tel

this build just dies

[devout cypress]

/blessings

[wise leaf]

unfortunately

[devout cypress]

dies to what?

[wise leaf]

you're scaling damage out the whazoo but with no armor, less DR than usual cos no BM DR package, no int for ward retention, no damage taken to mana before health

you're gonna have trouble pushing due to survivability rather than damage

especially given yknow, omen windows

[devout cypress]

i did consider swapping maelstrom with upheaval for the armor and endurence threshold buff

[wise leaf]

even with 1.2k ward which is a generous assumption given no ward retention

[devout cypress]

im not going for ward?

the boots are for the res's

[wise leaf]

exactly, it's a generous assumption

you max at ~10.5k single hit phys EHP

which is very low

actually hold on

[devout cypress]

swap the phatoms for a red ring and ocearon

[wise leaf]

11.5

[devout cypress]

and prism for seed

[wise leaf]

what slam are you dropping on the rings

[devout cypress]

what that planner is solving is early crit cap for me

[wise leaf]

doesn't really matter

[devout cypress]

attunment

[wise leaf]

actually

still only 14.25k single phys hit

[devout cypress]

ok solve the mana issue, crit issue, tankiness issue and damage issue all at the same time

[wise leaf]

that's shaman baby

:L

i'm just pointing out

it might not be worth scaling damage that much

if you're gonna be held back from where you need damage by survivability

[high stratus]

you really want to be spending 13 points in beastmaster for damage reduction on any primalist imo

[devout cypress]

so then nothing is gunna die and then ill just die but slower

[high stratus]

or at least you gotta have a very good reason not to

[wise leaf]

doesn't matter if you 1 shot everything if the invincible omen kills you anyway

[devout cypress]

boar?

[high stratus]

ursine strength and aspect of the boar

[devout cypress]

omen cant slap me til mobs are gone

[wise leaf]

• the str and nearby enemy one

[wise leaf]

not actually true they cast their own shit

[devout cypress]

ah yeah i forgot about ursine and boar

probably take out the 8 in spell

[wise leaf]

but yeah i know you're not technically ZHP

4.4k is a good amount of health

but primalist needs layered defenses

it can't pull rogue bullshit

to give an idea: this is my 700 corr speed farm setup from last patch

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrX0mPG6

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (88)

General:

▸ Health: 3,436, Regen: 159.08/s
▸ Mana: 569.51, Regen: 19.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 104 Str / 42 Dex / 16 Int / 70 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 70% / 70% / 79% / 121% / 104% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 90%, Threshold: 962
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (453)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,604)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Summon Scorpion / Swipe / Eterra's Blessing / Warcry / Fury Leap

[wise leaf]

actual character gear

[devout cypress]

i usually play mage, i hate this having to think about how to cap crit shit

[wise leaf]

(why do i have the endurance blessing?)

[wise leaf]

welcome to the back of the bus

[high stratus]

yeah going from mage to shaman is gonna make you take a real hard look at EHG

not that mage is perfect ofc, far from it

[devout cypress]

well i played spellblade mostly

so was the back of the bus til this patch

[wise leaf]

Oh okay yeah you were right back there with shaman already

[wise leaf]

yeah it's not falconer

:L

[devout cypress]

at least mage doesnt have to think about crit

[high stratus]

wasn't spellblade decent before, but shattering strike was just so clearly superior to the other options it felt like it just had one build?

[devout cypress]

yeah i was trying to make flamereave workd

[wise leaf]

to be fair spell EQ is kinda the single worst thing for that

avalanche gets a crit node

[devout cypress]

yeah my spreadsheet has avalanch at 140% crit chance while eq is at 97

[karmic bison]

not worth unless investing a lot into melee attack speed. I built it more for just passive generation, flat damage is actually going to be around 400+

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOwpPnpY 418 flat with this set up, and I fixed somethings

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (26) / Beastmaster (31) / Druid (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,987, Regen: 195.12/s
▸ Mana: 213.01, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 58 Dex / 15 Int / 30 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 4% / 127% / 95% / 61% / 74% / 101%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 799
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1336)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,777)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Warcry / Maelstrom / Swipe / Summon Spriggan

[near leaf]

I mean you have 4 pts here that don't do anything

Put them in Swipe/ Maul > Maelstrom and get a few extra stacks/proccs

You got an empty slot in idols for throne?

[karmic bison]

Ohh yeah let me redo that

[idle meadow]

I had full lp2/3 necro and it had 1/2 of frog ehp with lp 2

and the gap today is even higher

it was last season
but i did like 2-3x the dps but also if i had a frog mate the crow made my dps like 4x higher with the armor break stats

[devout cypress]

im tempted to go bluefeather and mad alchs ladle + shield

[karmic bison]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PDg4LZ

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (26) / Beastmaster (31) / Druid (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,987, Regen: 195.12/s
▸ Mana: 213.01, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 58 Dex / 15 Int / 30 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 4% / 127% / 95% / 61% / 74% / 101%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 799
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1336)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,777)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Warcry / Maelstrom / Swipe / Summon Spriggan

[wise leaf]

oh hey i have my exalt for using with whetstone already

[karmic bison]

3 out of 5 stats not bad

[near leaf]

Oo

[wise leaf]

Oh nova scorp doesn't really give a crap about the pen affix

[shut laurel]

well it's better but I'm getting so many cold res affixes when corrupting it's crazy

[wise leaf]

It's such a small damage increase

[wise leaf]

Costed me 6k on mg lol

[near leaf]

Oo

One of those days I must try MG

[wise leaf]

sorry, 9k

[karmic bison]

ok now its fixed lol https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9Jg1J9D

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (26) / Beastmaster (31) / Druid (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,903, Regen: 195.12/s
▸ Mana: 213.01, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 66 Dex / 15 Int / 30 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / -4% / 127% / 87% / 61% / 66% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 778
▸ Dodge Chance: 40% (1423)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,267)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Warcry / Maelstrom / Swipe / Summon Spriggan

[wise leaf]

I should check what idols are like as well

They can be a bit more exoensive

[near leaf]

Wait, you are not taking the half cd node in Warcry?
And you have 2 source of haste
Warcry and Maelstrom

[wise leaf]

Yeah spent 230k on a good omen idol

Worth

[karmic bison]

fixed. but I still need 3 points in mana eff for warcry

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7G41G06

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (26) / Beastmaster (31) / Druid (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,903, Regen: 195.12/s
▸ Mana: 213.01, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 66 Dex / 15 Int / 30 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / -4% / 127% / 87% / 61% / 66% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 778
▸ Dodge Chance: 40% (1423)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,267)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Warcry / Maelstrom / Swipe / Summon Spriggan

[devout cypress]

now ur build advice makes sense

you just buy what you need lol

[near leaf]

Maybe to generate more rage you can take Storm Bolts inside Maelstrom, with all your spell Crit chance you'll get a bit of rage on Crit that way

[karmic bison]

yeah ill figure out more as leveling it slowly since I have to work a lot until two days

friday I will grind out as much as I can and level.

[near leaf]

@wise leaf
Sorry, do you know if the Scorp nova scale with aoe?
A friend is telling me that it seems to be bugged, even the node on the tree

[shut laurel]

!!!

It dropped

lowest attribute and skills of course 😢

[near leaf]

You don't want the brutality conversion?

[shut laurel]

nah it's just melee dmg isn't it

also the armor loss I tested and it's not great

despite the hp gain

[near leaf]

No

It's more dmg for melee skil'

Meaning it's passed down to subskills and ailment

[shut laurel]

and it counts subskill despite them being spell?

[near leaf]

The more dmg is generic

So your Melee skill get a bunch of more dmg

And it passes down to its subskills

[shut laurel]

gonna need a lot of armor and armor % on gear to make up for it then

ah nvm that's human form

so squishy

still gonna try with my current setup we'll see

[near leaf]

It is a steep drop

[wise leaf]

Did last i knew

[shut laurel]

right on the next threshold too

[wise leaf]

Ah tried to reply to you about the area comment vlad

It did last i knew

[wheat nacelle]

@autumn dune @polar vortex just curious did one of you end up trying my build ?

[wise leaf]

I remember running a damage/aoe thing for a bit and felt it

2 sec

I'll just pull it up on a legacy char and test

[shut laurel]

@near leaf the damage numbers are insane already even with no panther stacks

[near leaf]

With bruta or madness?

[polar vortex]

No I gave up and played Warlock Rip Blood for a bit, then switched to Grim Dawn before end-year reporting started 🙁

[wheat nacelle]

no worries

was just curious to see other ppls feelings

[shut laurel]

with both 15 to 30M a pop when I crit (not crit capped with that setup yet)

with the shreds going and fully stacked

so like 5 sec ramping?

[near leaf]

You got a bruta/madness exulis?!?

Holy

[shut laurel]

I got that one way earlier but I wanted the dex one so I don't lose on too much armor (I didnt know at the time brutality worked on spell subskill)

it's a +1 skill one also :(

[near leaf]

Maybe you can remove some pts in Crit Multi inside Upheaval

And get the earth armor node

[wise leaf]

tested, definitely scales with the tree nodes

[near leaf]

+2 flat armor per attunement x 3 stacks

[shut laurel]

oh true

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM68L8y3 my current gear switching to exulis

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (23) / Shaman (9) / Druid (61)

General:

▸ Health: 5,043, Regen: 632.1/s
▸ Mana: 294.61, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 202 Str / 32 Dex / 202 Int / 62 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 92% / 51% / 55% / 108% / 65% / 65%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 53%, Threshold: 2,073
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (128)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,405)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Used skills:

Upheaval / Summon Thorn Totem / Werebear Form / Swipe / Fury Leap

[near leaf]

Now that you got madness, thats a lot of crit multi

[shut laurel]

918% ramped up

nutty

[wise leaf]

scaling with area for minion area skills as well

[shut laurel]

now 1 point of strength gives me: 1.5 flat spell, 1% crit multi, 4% increased damage, 0.2% increased health and 0.4% increased area for spells

if thats not value what is

[wise leaf]

it might be they're overestimating what the effect should be for minion area affixes

note that afaik the generic area node on scorpion is increased area

so you get linear returns from affixes

when paired with that node

plus it's area and not radius

so ~39% increased area only gives just under a 15% increase in radius

[near leaf]

There is a beautiful 26 millions in there

[wise leaf]

tht is nice

[shut laurel]

I've seen as high at 32M

[wise leaf]

is the sustain just hp regen?

[shut laurel]

gonna test in high corruption but dmg as never been an issue I think I'm gonna get stunned and die to a ranged attack with my armor lmao

leech on crit on top

[wise leaf]

...but you have 100% reduced effect of leech

[shut laurel]

oh right I do now

lmao

[wise leaf]

lol

[mossy coral]

jesus

[shut laurel]

maybe it doesnt count that type of leech

[near leaf]

You do have 600hp/s

[mossy coral]

Just get 200 attunement with wizard magic and shattering will give you a bit of health

[wise leaf]

yeah but that's not really enough

it's still got good ehp

tho

[near leaf]

I wish that was healing

[mossy coral]

We can't have nice things

[near leaf]

We really cant

[shut laurel]

this node is carrying tho

[wise leaf]

it is good

can confirm

oooh and madness conversion solves crit mitigation

that's something i hadn't thought about

[shut laurel]

724 hp regen with panther stacks

[mossy coral]

Wdym crit mitigation

[shut laurel]

would need the corrupt mod on relic to go above 1k

[wise leaf]

you get 1% less bonus from crits per 1 madness

[shut laurel]

thank god I avoid them instead

ultra deadly crits

[wise leaf]

oh

OH

OH I MISREAD THAT

[shut laurel]

the opposite yea haha

[mossy coral]

Yeah you have to be crit capped, it's a downside

[near leaf]

Oo

[wise leaf]

ROFL

[near leaf]

[shut laurel]

gonna test the bulkwark node now

[wise leaf]

yeah thank god

[shut laurel]

I mean I lived 2 monos at 816C so maybe armor is a myth

[mossy coral]

Mfw Cook thought you get upsides from the new convertions

[near leaf]

What does your exulis looks like

[shut laurel]

I switched an idol no worries

[near leaf]

fowxyz

[shut laurel]

it was my previous setup I didn't reupload

[near leaf]

Bruta/madness and?

[shut laurel]

crit

[near leaf]

Noice

[wise leaf]

anyway time for me to prep for bed

[shut laurel]

have another one but slightly worse

[mossy coral]

I bet shatter totem would overlap way nicer with all that madness

[wise leaf]

and wake up to the real league start

(and then head to work for 8 hours)

[shut laurel]

well you don't need 4 points in aoe anymore, with them it's always enough to overlap each if you hit dead center

[mossy coral]

I just woke up, time to see what's making my Spirit plague bug..

[shut laurel]

having more is nice cause you can be a bit more free on the positioning

[mossy coral]

Opportunity cost, can get more damage!

[near leaf]

That's the nice thing about the 6 totems rings too

The are closer to each other

[shut laurel]

6? doesn't it go down to 5 with grove mind?

[mossy coral]

You don't take that node

You don't need it

[shut laurel]

I know you don't with laup's

I misunderstood Ithink when he said totem rings

[mossy coral]

Since it's 6 the ring is more tight and easier for upheaval to shatter all of them at once

[shut laurel]

ok back to the drawing board now that hp% is solved through str maybe I change idol setup, go cold (2 more skill points) and play with throne of ambition to get my armor going on top of the % dmg

those large idols are so nice in pyramids tho...

[near leaf]

+2 skill with cold?

[shut laurel]

I mean 2 more strained skill points to allocated to enable it

maybe I do need that t7 upheaval on chest now lmao

[near leaf]

Ah oki sry

[violet cedar]

has anyone done uber aberroth on frogs? if so can you share some tips or maybe some optimizations from the maxroll version of the build?

[mossy coral]

Why is every build I play bugged

[near leaf]

Lol

[high stratus]

because you're playing last epoch

[mossy coral]

Dude, Sinathia's dying breath set affix is literally missing the flat curse damage. It's supposed to say "Spell" and they just forgot about it

[high stratus]

EHG moment

[long totem]

Wouldn't that just mean it applies to any curses?

[mossy coral]

Nope, it just does nothing

[long totem]

Tremendous

[high stratus]

Acid Skin doesn't have the spell tag but it does have the curse tag according to LET, maybe it only increases acid skin

[mossy coral]

Yeah love playing for 19 hours and fall flat from a bug

I'll test it

[mossy coral]

Acid skin isn't even getting damage from spell curse at all lol

[high stratus]

EHG moment part deux

[shut laurel]

https://youtu.be/k83uIy-RRVU?si=dZys2JR342nuL-Dl not my cleanest but my fastest for sure

doesn't embed for some reason

[mossy coral]

I played spirit plague, acid skin and both are doing 300-400 dmg on dummy

[naive bough]

Neat trick for frogs build if any are still doing it this season ( probably posted already, but if it helps anyone )

[near leaf]

Does that mean you are not getting flat for your curse?

[mossy coral]

Correct

[near leaf]

Shyt

[mossy coral]

Literally every curse skill is broken

[crude cosmos]

Cursed curse skills

[naive bough]

19 frogs now! ( 23 soon hopefully. )

[winged swallow]

I forgot going above 100% chance to aftershock on melee hit does nothing right? It caps out at 100%?

[near leaf]

Cap

[narrow zephyr]

Ok lets see 😂

[near leaf]

Now you got my attention

[neon steppe]

@hallow tartan yo u think ur swarmblade tsunami could work without scorp or would the damage be booty? had a thought of stacking spell dmg with mourning frost then dive > armblade with alluvion to trigger tidal wave x2 > dive

also unsure how much this would trigger via dive/armblade and if it even gives u gladitor lagoon stacks

[high stratus]

only via lagonian shamanism which is 0.25*0.3=0.075 or 7.5% chance per armblade maybe dive too if that has a melee attack tag

[near leaf]

It has

[neon steppe]

tempest strike makes me sad\

[high stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-dr-cox-jd-sad-gif-24645338

[near leaf]

Same here

[crude cosmos]

Its double sad because they already reworked it once, so chances of them redoing it again is looooooow

[near leaf]

We have been told Shaman is going to have some "big" changes
That's why he isn't getting much rn

Tempest Strike is to me what a Melee Shaman would be,
I hope/guess that will be part of those changes, with the 5th skill

[crude cosmos]

I didn’t know it was getting big changes, only heard a fifth skill was coming. That’s exciting

[chilly gorge]

does anyone know what the strongets version of the anurok build is? there's quite a few different planners out there

or if you have a build planner for a version that has killed uber abberoth this season that would be great

[naive bough]

I killed it last season with most of my current items. I had a pair of red rings and LP2 Julra gloves for Shred + Minion area over what I currently have.
But now I have 23 frogs instead of 11!

[winged swallow]

Tempest strike just needs a from the ground up rework. from skill mechanic too entire skill tree

No way to remove strikes from the pool. inherent cast cost for a skill that is reliant on attack speed is MONSTROUSLY high. Horrible to try to scale

[near leaf]

Honestly I like the premises of the skill

But

Not enough dmg or mana cost too high

Too point hungry whatever you try to do

[winged swallow]

I love the skill. Wild strike was my first end game build in PoE

[mellow kestrel]

How much does totem shatter do?

[chilly gorge]

cool ty. about your neck: does it need to be a specific beast or will any 1 LP neck do?

[near leaf]

Up to 30 million crit on the dummy x 6 explosions every 1.3 sec

[winged swallow]

Yeah Tempest strike needs like 35 skill points to function right. and that's like....wth dude

[naive bough]

any lp1, you just want the minion area/damage at minimum

[mellow kestrel]

Holy shit I saw a 5 mil crit lol

God damn I wanna try that so bad. Is it good on bosses too?

[sly bobcat]

yeah agree. to me a melee shaman is really just a spellcaster that is delivering spells directly to the face

[crude cosmos]

Tempest strike needs to start as a strike with elemental damage instead of physical, and then you ADD the tempests you want with points. Not the other way around where you spend half your budget cutting stuff out lol

[near leaf]

They posted a video of a fight against the new pinnacle

[tardy frost]

wait for real? I wanted to play that

[near leaf]

50sec

[tardy frost]

did you test it?

[mellow kestrel]

I can’t find code

Vide

Video*

[patent dock]

Yeah, iirc the set item works fine, but the affix flat damage is worded differently and just doesn't work

[chilly gorge]

ok cool. i see allie's version stacks more regen and maxroll uses more damage oriented items. i guess for uberroth you might need the damage version?

[tardy frost]

lol how long ago was that discovered? Are we hitting 4 years already?

[winged swallow]

Yeah Tempest Strike should be "Elemental" from the start and doesn't generate tempests. and there's 5 branching paths to go. 1 "Utility path" for attack speed, mana on not triggering a tempest, endurance threshold on hit, gathering storm synergy. While the other 4 paths are Cold, Lightning, Fire, And Physical. Mid way thru the paths you unlock your "tempest" and at the very end you can turn your Tempest Strike into That element only. Tempest strike will be reworked to cost 0 mana if it doesn't trigger a tempest and 20 if it does. With trees and utility path lowering the cost of tempest procs

[mossy coral]

Yeah I'm really bummed out, I'm running around doing witchfire and pretty much 2 open skill slots that does nothing for me, terrible
The damage is pretty good but it would be x100 times better, especially when I wanted to scale spirit plague too by using the unique shield and harvest

[near leaf]

#🐺┃primalist message

[winter ivy]

Was Sinathia working last season?

[sly bobcat]

i honestly didn't even know that sinathia gave flat curse damage too. i thought the affix was just increased curse damage

[near leaf]

Alright, be gone dirty Acolyte

[naive bough]

This was what my items were by the end of the season after a few uberoth kills. The minion health on the ring and regen are my backbones.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qqwpge82

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (27) / Beastmaster (74) / Druid (12)

General:

▸ Health: 2,755, Regen: 880.44/s
▸ Mana: 261.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 243%, Regen: 232/s
▸ Attributes: 87 Str / 68 Dex / 87 Int / 36 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 165% / 103% / 98% / 90% / 82% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 75%, Threshold: 936
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (533)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,937)

Used skills:

Summon Wolf / Swipe / Fury Leap / Summon Frenzy Totem / Warcry

[naive bough]

This is the only major change for this season.

[chilly gorge]

sick, thanks! yeah i was wondering about getting more minion health because my froggies spend so much time dead, my dps uptime is really bad

[mossy coral]

On top of that curses are broken, its almost not applied to any curse. Fissure, decrepify etc

[chilly gorge]

yeah i've already got this loadout don't worry haha. minion crit corruptions on the idols

[mossy coral]

Tssss!! 💀

[naive bough]

I got self-slow immunity, minion chill immunity and 3% regen to ward so far

Thinking I'm goaling for either 3x regen to wards for endgame

[patent dock]

That's pretty odd

[naive bough]

I would also probably try to find more places to sneak in minion health such as where I had minion damage on the belt. Looking back at it I would have killed for more minion health still.

[tardy frost]

this is so gonna get nerfed in todays patch

[chilly gorge]

i hope they don't. frogs don't even seem that overpowered with it

[naive bough]

Meh I'm ssf so if it does it does 🤷

[winter ivy]

If Scorpion is fixed then it'll be Tsunami time for me

[chilly gorge]

is scorpion bugged too?

[sly bobcat]

scorpion doesn't gain the effect of extra maelstrom stacks or something

i still gotta find an exalt to put in my spear

missed my first slam

[winter ivy]

yeah, the Typhoon node doesnt apply to Scorp

[vast loom]

why i have only 7 frogs? isnt its 11 before

[winter ivy]

You corrupted the idol. You need to have a regular non-corrupted one for the idol to work

[vast loom]

oh is it intended

[winter ivy]

I doubt it. It's a weird thing that lets you stack the idols as long as you have one non-corrupted

just something with corrupting the item breaks the functionality'

[patent dock]

No

This should be part of the fix, hopefully coming today

In a little over 1 hour

[vast loom]

thanks

classic i did have bad feeling after thinking its intended lol

[sly bobcat]

is this a sign

wind tempest time?

[mossy coral]

NO NO NO

[sly bobcat]

man my last three crafts have used 40 FP in 3 clicks

feels bad

[patent dock]

I believe it is an April fool's joke

[naive bough]

The idol checks to see if you are wearing "One unique idol" and doesn't see Legendary as Unique. The corrupted ones have to turn legendary for it to work.

Conversely the legendary ones do not work by themselves as they do not see themselves as Unique so until you put on a singularity etc with them they are non-functional.

[sly bobcat]

EHG got me again

[crude cosmos]

It's a trap

[naive bough]

The corrupted legendary one is not unique. Put any other unique idol with it.

[high stratus]

try again in 2036

[civic silo]

Bear maul totem explode build is so fun xD haha

[naive bough]

If it is intended then you can get up to 4 equipped now. 3x corrupted legendaries and 1x uncorrupted unique
#🐺┃primalist message

[naive bough]

And it does give the frogs

[mossy coral]

Its not

[naive bough]

I expect it probably isn't intended as it is an easy 100%+ damage bump to an already strong build.

[high stratus]

has uber croaked yet?

[naive bough]

I haven't gotten there yet, but I am sure someone will have before they patch it.

I did it last season without this, so I expect this season will be similar. Though I need want to get a pair of red rings first and the ascendeds have been fickle this season so far.

[sly bobcat]

which one of you is hiding all the omnis drops

i've killed this ambushing shade like 20 times now and haven't seen any

or was it one of those rogue players

[mossy coral]

Their in the smoke bomb, get 'em!

[high stratus]

use the meteor belt to clear the smokebomb

[near leaf]

It is,
It's my favourite build

[mossy shard]

Is the tornado attaching node not working I can still cast multiple tornadoes and they do not stick to me

[sly bobcat]

a handful of tornado nodes are bugged right now

[high stratus]

a handful of primalist skills aren't bugged right now

[candid topaz]

This is to be fixed today sadly

[candid topaz]

You think with the 33% dmg nerf the frogs can still do uber?

[high stratus]

they nerfed the damage of frogs by a third and they're still meta without getting 20+ of them, fair enough imo

[crude cosmos]

If i have a loot filter from S3 or earlier, will it still work? I totally forgot to even turn one on

[amber pawn]

anyone know if that thorn/reflect build from last season still works? with the primordial chest?

[chilly gorge]

The Land Before: Fixed an issue where The Land Before was not considering corrupted unique idols to be unique.
it's over

[river moat]

is it tho? can someone test it? kekw

[sly bobcat]

The Rift Beast has gone through some counseling and has learned to better regulate his toxicity. Poison stacks applied from the Noxious Blood adaptation no longer pierces all poison resistance, while the ground DoT associated with the Acidic Petals adaptation no longer scales its damage infinitely over its lifetime. thank god

[winter ivy]

It should work, but you gotta be in melee range for the same damage output.

[candid topaz]

Yeah they hate fun. Hope they atleast fix other bugs...

[sly bobcat]

scorpion and swipe fixed

lesgo

@wise leaf

[winter ivy]

the bees affix being more common is funny. I half expect that to be an april fools bit

[river moat]

i wish the lands before fix is an april's fools joke, it was so easy to farm 4 of the unique idol

[neon steppe]

tsunami scorp is back on the menu boys

[void depot]

SWIPE FIXED

[chilly gorge]

yeah farming a full set of minion attack speed idols is not very tempting...

is tsunami scorp good? might respec to that instead of frogs

[winter ivy]

we dont know until we patch

[candid topaz]

Great.... bee idols are more common making other idols harder to find. Why are they slaming garbage down our throats

[mossy coral]

I see Rogue have a new ability called Shield Throw

[winter ivy]

That'd actually be awesome on rogue

[high stratus]

Rogue would do incredible things with lava burst

[mossy coral]

lava burst still bugged tho

[candid topaz]

It is not. They hate the idea of us having more frogs. At this point they need to add companion limit on other idols so we could do more of other pets or more frogs

[sly bobcat]

how is it bugged?

[high stratus]

is it? I've seen that it's very strong but I didn't know it had a bug

[sly bobcat]

more likely they just don't want unique idols to be stackable considering they're unique

[crude cosmos]

lava burst is strong now? I dont remember that happening

[sly bobcat]

throne of ambition would be insane if you could stack it

[sly bobcat]

someone killed uber with it in like 3m the other day

the forking idol is pretty good with it. you fork off your ring of shields and get a ton of extra hits

[crude cosmos]

Very cool. I always liked shield throw sentinel. Would have to revisit this season.

I played shield bash sent last time and it had auto shield throw from sigeon reprisal. So tanky with max block

[candid topaz]

I think adding more companion idols would be cool but don't make it like land before.

[sly bobcat]

we can already get pretty large packs of certain companions. it's a huge scaling factor that is kinda tough to balance

raptors, wolves, squirrels, birds can all have big packs

[winter ivy]

Roots of Vithrasil: Fixed an issue where the extra projectiles for Spirit Thorns granted by stacks of Germination from the Roots of Vithrasil unique boots would apply to minions that could cast Spirit Thorns.
They shoulda kept the interaction, mighta made it a worthwhile item.

[mossy coral]

Oh nvm I don't think its bugged, it just doesn't scale with attunement. (Which is funny since you want to have attunement -> healing effect for fire pen)

[wise leaf]

Screw it i've slept terribly anyway

[sly bobcat]

lol

what time is it for you right now?

[wise leaf]

It wasn't so much as bugged as the subskill had a misleading attunement tag

Which got overridden

[wise leaf]

5am

[winter ivy]

I actually wish I got to try out that bugged Roots of Vithrasil... Vine summoner Spriggan Form woulda been a fun build.

[mossy coral]

And the fact you can't use smite on throw idols for damage since you can't stack attunement or any other fire skill xdd

[sly bobcat]

nah you can use smite on throw, you're just not stacking attributes at that point

you're stacking whatever damage type you're dealing

believe it or not, you can play without attribute stacking

[mossy coral]

I know, but paladin is a attunement class, you'll get some even if you don't need it. Didn't find it better on FG

[sly bobcat]

lava burst functions way better on FG because you can bounce off your ring of shields

[mossy coral]

If you play like that sure, I did not

I casted about 4 or 5 shield throws/second

[high stratus]

[patent dock]

Roaming Omens can now drop Idol Altars and Omen Idols in addition to their regular loot.
Ooh, maybe they will finally be worth speccing

[sly bobcat]

that's a weird looking morditas's reach

[winter ivy]

Looks neat, but doesn't match the theme

[mossy coral]

Did it melt?

[chilly gorge]

they took our frogs 🙁

[winter ivy]

How is Soul of the Mountain? Would it be worth using with Roots of Vithrasil?

[high stratus]

it was okay before and got a big buff (each thorn does 66% more damage than before and you get 25% more of them all else being equal)

spirit thorns spam can definitely kill shit

healing totems do a good job of keeping you upright

it's by no means a top tier build obviously, but kinda satisfying to machinegun stuff down with thorns

[mortal elbow]

oh noo frog fix, i guess i have to go back from 10k armor to 16k

[devout cypress]

@wise leaf I had a really dumb idea for dealing with the poison in omens. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbGGdwJ - Convert 4 damage types to physical. (Maybe null portent and use idols to crank phys res?) Not sure how to do the passives. Upheaval with voidwinter I think scales in werebere.

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (16) / Druid (72)

General:

▸ Health: 3,030, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 220.21, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 32/s
▸ Attributes: 52 Str / 126 Dex / 21 Int / 34 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 101% / -69% / 132% / 95% / 36% / 97% / 47%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 53%, Threshold: 945
▸ Dodge Chance: 23% (781)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,080)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 88%

Used skills:

Swipe / Upheaval / Fury Leap / Warcry / Werebear Form

[worn shard]

Yeah it is a bug but also fun. Fix this bug next league, why now? Bye bye

[chilly gorge]

just have to grind out a full set of attack speed idols now

[wise leaf]

nah

it should be patched

them not fixing bugs that make builds overpowered was something people very squarely voted for because it was creating massive FOMO inducing builds

things that were just wildly overpowered

looking at you exploding arrow trap falconer

[devout cypress]

Arcane Ascendance: Fixed an issue where casting Arcane Ascendance would not prevent the player from moving if cast while using a channeled movement ability.

get rekt mana guide

so many mana guide users abusing that

Swipe: Fixed an issue where swipe was not applying on hit effects with the second attack in the sequence of the ability.

time to farm corpses for perfect blessings. Emperor of Corpses: The Soul Bombs created by the Emperor of Corpses timeline boss now deals tremendously less damage. This is a temporary change while we investigate an issue with its indicators which causes them to regularly fail to properly indicate the area of the attack…

can just stand in the aoe now

[wise leaf]

that is a fair thing to do

[dense heath]

can frogs nuke uber?

[wise leaf]

nuke? prolly not

do uber? yes

[high stratus]

nah mana guide was a cool build

didn't warrant any attention

[devout cypress]

mana guide was cools, ascendance not stopping movement was dumb

[dense heath]

whats the best way to level minion beast until frogs

[devout cypress]

it was almost forced to take ascendance with mana guide

[wise leaf]

wolves works

[high stratus]

yeah but it's basically forced to take a lot of X with Y skills in this game

[devout cypress]

but now they have incentive to buff channeling mage skills and ascendence since you cant move

[dim merlin]

is reflect build still viable?

[shut laurel]

+20 and +2 skills alright I think I'm done with this boss for now

[high stratus]

like you really gonna use tornado for damage and not take gathering storm with it?

[wise leaf]

yes, it's just not gonna evaporate monsters across the screen

[mortal elbow]

Fixing frogs was important but fixing Grim constitution no one cares xD

[wise leaf]

what's up with grim constitution?

[devout cypress]

whats issue with grim?

jinx

[dim merlin]

so if i now need attack speed idols for frogs, wich do i reroll idols fully? is it in graveyard or in tombs or the woven echoes?

[mortal elbow]

thats not working

[sly bobcat]

i guess morditas's reach really did melt for the spring

[wise leaf]

really? that's very weird

gimme 2 secs

[wise leaf]

don't use that

it's a waste of amber

it's just dropping a new idol essentially

[dim merlin]

ok lets hope so, cause dang my dmg sucks now when im down to 9 frogs

[mortal elbow]

in 500 coruption i dont feel much of a difference

[subtle lodge]

Looks like Swipe is back on the menu CookBook!

[wise leaf]

rofl

[dim merlin]

ye ofc when you already had alot of the stuff, i just started empowered and had 21 frogs

[subtle lodge]

Not anymore you don't

[mortal elbow]

im going rly rly tanky cause hc tho

[subtle lodge]

They apparently fixed that

[wise leaf]

what does your gear look like

[dim merlin]

i got the most stuff but bad rolls, and no rred rings or strife, i kille julra T4 this morning first time barely, so dont wana try now 😄

[mortal elbow]

red rings are worse for dmg than an t7 t6 tho

[mortal elbow]

if u are softcore for dmg u can go heart

[modern finch]

I may be coming home to my primalist roots

[mortal elbow]

?? im confused xD i did go from julra gets to 60% cast to julra goes to 80% cast with the frog nerf

[civic silo]

I just love right clicking and watching the cloud of green just demolish everything xD haha

[winter ivy]

How's it doing in corruption and omens?

[near leaf]

I am at 150C but fowxyz is at least at 400 since he is farming the new pinnacle

In omen its pretty nice

You are invulnerable while mauling

And the aoe is pretty good

Fowxyz is farming the new boss in 50sec now

[shut laurel]

I'm here

but with the change to Exulis I'm dropping like a fly with the loss of armor, doubling my damage came at great cost, so I'm dialing back probably until I find a way to solve it

brutality is really too brutal

[winter ivy]

What changed with Exulis?

[mortal elbow]

how difficult is the new boss in comparisson with uber ?

[shut laurel]

my armor went from 9k+ to 2k

way easier

I've done about 50 ish runs so I'm used to their pattern and it's mostly pools of dots the rest you can dodge

[wise leaf]

bleh

[old granite]

Do you have a planner for that build?

[wise leaf]

tsunami scorp just isn't feeling right

lack of gear prolly a factor

[shut laurel]

in omens it's not the best I struggled at 400c in the triple omen echo, maybe it's better with the range nerf now I need to test

[wise leaf]

but it takes too many revs of the engine

[shut laurel]

things hit you before you do pretty much the usual melee problem unless you clear outside of your screen

[long totem]

Does warcry proc the scorp maelstrom?

[shut laurel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bak3yRme

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (23) / Shaman (4) / Druid (66)

General:

▸ Health: 4,565, Regen: 751.68/s
▸ Mana: 289.81, Regen: 9.84/s
▸ Attributes: 202 Str / 32 Dex / 202 Int / 60 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 98% / 57% / 55% / 108% / 65% / 65%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 1,770
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (128)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,047)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 112%

Used skills:

Upheaval / Summon Thorn Totem / Werebear Form / Swipe / Fury Leap

[wise leaf]

yes

[old granite]

thank you

[wise leaf]

but until you're up around like 15 stacks

and have gladiator stacks

you're not really doing much damage

and then the proccing is a little inconsistent cos yknow... every 5 stacks instead of 4

[long totem]

Yeah I'm selfcast so recast on Crit warcry and storm stacks make getting to a baseline 20 stacks relatively easy, but that's gonna be a lot harder on scorp

[old granite]

👀

[wise leaf]

okay i'm an idiot and didn't have solo companion nodes

[devout cypress]

its ok, im an idiot and forgot about beastmaster DR on shaman

still dying a ton, but less than infinity

[neon steppe]

tsunami scorp does prettyyyyyy good damage lol

im missing alot of gear and nodes and hitting 750k on dummies

[devout cypress]

is tsunami scorp scaling the minion casting the tsunami?

[neon steppe]

yeh

[devout cypress]

minion scaling is always nuts

[neon steppe]

maelstrom is just so hungry for points

dont have my +4 yet but when i do

gg

[devout cypress]

im really tempted to figure out an immortal blossom + bane of winter + null portent setup. Just convert 4 damage types to physical and max physical res for null portent

[merry geyser]

rip frogs

[wise leaf]

it's still strong

[wise leaf]

yeeeeeah

it's got them ancient point barriers

4 points into chill chance

[ornate scroll]

Yeah that tree is not great

[devout cypress]

yall could try the cleaver stack stack with new weaver ammy for +4 skills on ammy slot

[wise leaf]

true

[devout cypress]

i did that for spellblade

was fun

36 points on shatterstrike was no joke

[wise leaf]

tho we also have apogees

[devout cypress]

1 cleaver, 1 apogee

[wise leaf]

counterpoint

2 apogees

[devout cypress]

counterpoint

i have no clue what apogee does

[wise leaf]

double 24% more damage

+3 to cold minions

[ornate scroll]

Apogee count for maelstrom?

[wise leaf]

oh right i should be using warcry totem

[devout cypress]

ah

[wise leaf]

this is tsunami scorp

so it scales your scorp damage

[devout cypress]

go legends entwined and then take jormun for 20% more with apogee and cleaver

[ornate scroll]

Ohh word

[devout cypress]

and youll get a ton more + skill

[merry geyser]

I know, but imagine having 21 frogs instead of 9. That's more than double 🐸

[wise leaf]

true

[wise leaf]

oh the 20% more is irrelevant

cos it's not scorp

[wise leaf]

could be an option

[devout cypress]

the 20% more is global

dont know if globals apply to minions

[wise leaf]

minion hears you

minion don't care

if it don't say minion

[winter ivy]

minion is on the moon

[wise leaf]

it ain't minion

ugh ngl running raw set item feels bad

oh also

[devout cypress]

i just shard everything with legends, but raw ammy is necessary

[ornate scroll]

Man want to see some cool scorp build

[wise leaf]

you don't get full benefit from legends entwined for the jormun set

[devout cypress]

i know

i ran jormuns as a katana

140% crit multi if you get the bleed t7

[wise leaf]

yeah the jormun stuff is good

it's just not worth it here

[devout cypress]

like 300% crit multi on one weapon is nuts

yeah minions

[wise leaf]

sure but again

minions

[wise leaf]

running tsunami scorp?

[ornate scroll]

I’m not now but I want to make one

[winter ivy]

I gotta get my Beastmaster rolling I guess... I want to try using GS for maelstrom procs and crows to juice the scorp

[wise leaf]

seems good now that i've actually spec'd into the solo companion nodes

[ornate scroll]

I’m shaman avalanche now

[wise leaf]

crows juicing scorp is not worth it

you're missing out on ~3.25x damage for that

[winter ivy]

Ah yeah, the solo companion stuff?

[wise leaf]

yeah

hmmm

i guess it wouldn't be terrible

but it's more of a crow build

[winter ivy]

The crows would still do damage

[wise leaf]

sorta

scorp for clear

crows for single target

the problem is that's 2 specialisation slots going for clear

that you have to manage

a bunch of points into warcry

[winter ivy]

Warcry is easy: 2x Apogee and cold convert warcry totem

[wise leaf]

could use sky passage as traversal but it's definitely not as nice as leap

[winter ivy]

Even one apogee works well

[wise leaf]

yeah

idk, i think it ends up being worse than regular crows

with tempest totem gladiator tech

[devout cypress]

i need some better leech on shaman

holy

[wise leaf]

haha

[winter ivy]

Is Wisdom of the Storm affected by minion cooldown recovery?

[wise leaf]

get dat black sun blessing my guy

[devout cypress]

the mage gloves were killing me so i took them off

oh good idea

[wise leaf]

yes

on its nearest ally

you have no control where these go

could be on crows

could be on you

the more minions you have the more they'll be spread

[winter ivy]

wouldnt stack it for scorps, was contemplating other silly build ideas

[wise leaf]

ahk

but yeah on the crow front

i found going tempest totems to stack gladiator + gathering storm to get the chain attacks was good

that solves clear pretty handily

tbh i should bug report that but ask them to PLEASE NOT FIX IT

like

that's cool

it's actually a good feature

[subtle lodge]

No fun allowed CookBook, you know that

[mossy coral]

Only if you're a rogue

[karmic bison]

So is it confirmed that typhoon is scaling with scorpion, damage and area? Should be giga big area and damage for scorpion

[wise leaf]

bro i'm well aware, one time i asked mike about something weird but neat happening with lightning nova scorp and he bugfixed it on the spot

[wise leaf]

yes

[karmic bison]

Im running maelstrom druid right now and feeling good, can only imagine how much more damage it will be on human form scorp

[sly bobcat]

I'm gonna make wind tempest work at some point

Mark my words it'll happen

[mossy coral]

20% more damage when using the new set

[wise leaf]

hmm

running into a mana issue i didn't expect

but i need to get ready for work

tsunami scorp clear too good that there's nothing to hit to regain mana lul

and you gotta maintain stacks even with nothing around

[tardy frost]

nice I must have missed it in the patch notes, might try it now to see how it goes

[wise leaf]

warcry totem proccing maelstrom is expensive

tho i think getting +lvl to warcry on relic could be a good plan

[neon steppe]

unforunately

foot of the mountain

ig u are doing the tempest strike version

[viscid ingot]

for storm crows that are converted to fire does the one node that allows them to do more damage to shocked enemies scale with ignite now?

[mellow kestrel]

Scorpions still don’t cast tsunami do they?

[neon steppe]

nah it does

and its big

[mellow kestrel]

FR? Damn that must be busted

[winter ivy]

It wasnt getting the benefit of the Typhoon passive, this update fixes that

[sly bobcat]

Suffering from success

[mellow kestrel]

You got a planner ?

[winged swallow]

huh improved visual on physical GS. well well well. let's see if my spell evolved from "unseeable" to "eye cancer"

[karmic bison]

Ill be messing around with it late tonight. Might make a planner later.

[winged swallow]

because I currently have like 30 storm bolts going out at once. hopefully it doesn't flash bang me

ooooh. that looks awesome

They are now crystal spikes. That rad

[blazing remnant]

damn just got on they fixed that frog bug super quick lol fun while it lasted

[patent dock]

Why bother with the totem? Unless it's bugged to give you more stacks it should still only give 4 per use

[mellow kestrel]

Anyone know if they fixed the aftershocks for the new EQ MYX??

The visual bug

Mtx*

[patent dock]

Now that scorp gets typhoon, playing maelstrom any way other than as a scorp build will just be a worse version... Good but RIP self cast 🥲

[near leaf]

Bear-nami will be our savior

[patent dock]

Yeah, maybe at least it's easier to run as a druid and will still be okay damagewise

[devout cypress]

i kinda like it, it lets me see that theyre actually going off 😄

[sly bobcat]

we're a dodge class now

[near leaf]

@lucid jasper

[near leaf]

🤫

[sly bobcat]

it's kinda interesting how dodge kinda requires you to itemize into it where armor just happens naturally as your bases get upgraded

[near leaf]

It works

@lucid jasper

[mossy coral]

What works?

[devout cypress]

do you have a planner? i have no idea how to itemize for dodge

[sly bobcat]

can the DoT aftershocks crit? I've seen conflicting information about it

[mossy coral]

Also using a staff like that was BAD ASS

[sly bobcat]

it's literally just putting dodge and increased dodge on your gear

[near leaf]

Dot aftershock proccing Boulder "on hit"

[sly bobcat]

so it eats up suffix slots you'd normally use for health. it's an interesting itemization dynamic compared to armor which happens on its own

[mossy coral]

But you have boulders on the tree?

[near leaf]

Yeah thoses

The text says "aftershocks hits "

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's normal, so what?

[near leaf]

If they dot they no hit

[sly bobcat]

yeah the aftershock damage over time node says that it deals its normal hit damage every second

i've been told they can crit too

[near leaf]

So shouldnt work

[mossy coral]

Ah, well both have always worked iirc

[near leaf]

Indeed

But the wording is wrong

Shocking right

[mossy coral]

Shocker

[sly bobcat]

it's sorta wrong

it still scales with damage over time increases

its a weird inbetween of DoT and hit

[devout cypress]

yeah i think when i last looked at it, putting dodge chance on weapons was key

but its been 4 seasons since i played rogue

[near leaf]

Thats a lot of wind

[mossy coral]

aftershock DoTs with 1 fissure, much wow

[sly bobcat]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ3ZZKG1 this is what I was messing around with

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (15) / Shaman (61) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,122, Regen: 315.64/s
▸ Mana: 400.51, Regen: 19.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 75%, Regen: 79/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 19 Dex / 11 Int / 107 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 124% / 124% / 71% / 50% / 80% / 80%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 634
▸ Dodge Chance: 78% (6263)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,083)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 115%

Used skills:

Tempest Strike / Maelstrom / Warcry / Tornado / Summon Storm Totem

[near leaf]

This node is so ass

[sly bobcat]

the T7 dodge on the chest is to simulate maelstrom stacks

[sly bobcat]

Mathematically isn't that basically a guaranteed tornado every full lagon cast?

oh nevermind

it's like 35% chance of a tornado every lagon cast

[near leaf]

Direct cast

[sly bobcat]

lagon stacks are direct casts

it casts maelstrom 4 times

[near leaf]

You sure ?

Oh yeah

[sly bobcat]

like 72% sure

[near leaf]

Works with yulia boots

[sly bobcat]

yeah

[devout cypress]

looks fun

[sly bobcat]

fun, maybe

good? very unlikely

[devout cypress]

not everything needs to be an uber killer lol

[patent dock]

They cannot

[sly bobcat]

i'm not sure it could kill normal abby

[sly bobcat]

so they're "hits" but not really

[near leaf]

Well, I didnt manage to procc a single tornado

So ill say it doesnt count

[sly bobcat]

how many times did you try

[near leaf]

neither Warcry or Slumber

At least 10 of each

[patent dock]

It's indirect casts, but text on tornado node could be wrong

[near leaf]

They are cast but not direct

[sly bobcat]

ah ok

yeah that node is garbo then

[near leaf]

If tornado was dealing real dmg, why not

But ....

[mossy coral]

They really expected us to have 100 mana regen and cast 20 maelstroms, trigger tsunamis and tornados when you can literally just hold down tornado key with it having a cooldown

[shut laurel]

@near leaf I tried to find a way to compensate for the lost defences on my current setup to no success, madness and brutality have insane damage but losing ward/armor scaling is too rough so I'm thinking of pivoting to another setup

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgR11NW5

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (23) / Shaman (9) / Druid (61)

General:

▸ Health: 4,867, Regen: 870.24/s
▸ Mana: 381.01, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 212 Str / 40 Dex / 212 Int / 72 Att / 51 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 73% / 73% / 85% / 132% / 118% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 2,180
▸ Dodge Chance: 39% (1401)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,460)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 103%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Fury Leap / Summon Thorn Totem / Upheaval / Swipe

[patent dock]

Nah, they are not hits in any sense. Though the hit-based stuff in its own skill tree is lying and actually has nothing to do with hits, so they all work lol

[shut laurel]

stacking aspect of the boar effect with wings of discord

[near leaf]

Holy

[shut laurel]

frees up ring slots for red rings (bis)

I went crazy on the lps and corrupt but I think even without it should perform well

[near leaf]

Erased Belt for%Armor ?

[sly bobcat]

so they wouldn't apply armor/res shred, ailments, etc?

[shut laurel]

yeah I'm still unsure, mana gained as ward works with rage right? and you stun quite often, otherwise Elecoe's innovation is solid

[near leaf]

And cold for throne (and armor)

I like it

[sly bobcat]

yo that reminds me i got a 20WW erased belt earlier today. I should rune it

[patent dock]

Right, though they do apply the slow and blind from the skill tree (which sneakily avoid mentioning hits, so actually accurate lol)

[long totem]

Wait will scorp cast tornado with that node?

[viscid ingot]

lmao i just got a 3lp pale ox and im not playing a build i can use it for

[patent dock]

Scorp doesn't directly cast maelstrom, so no

[long totem]

Sad but probably good

[sly bobcat]

imagine a scorp-boosted-aoe tornado

visual clarity be damned

[devout cypress]

i already cant see with avalanch

whats more shit on the screen

[patent dock]

Yeah, would be kinda funny and maybe that 10% could actually be balanced for scorp's multipliers

[shut laurel]

alternatively I still go jormun belt shard and get an exalted katana (crit multi) with the other jormun so we keep the 20% mult, loses a lot of flat from palarus, then bleed becomes a good affix to boost crit multi well above 1k on that setup

something like that

but with 400% added damage effectiveness It might be too much to lose about 100 flat

[long totem]

Hmmm wait you can have it cast avalanche too

Oh, hmmm can't do that as BM though

[high stratus]

unless unique items have dodge scaling on them then you don't really. The regular dodge affixes aren't great.

What you can do on some builds is spec both summon spriggan and maelstrom.
Spriggan gives you flat dodge per attunement in a big aura, maelstrom gives increased dodge per stack so together you can actually cap dodge with some effort for some builds.

[sly bobcat]

increased attack speed on skill trees is generally additive with external increased attack speed sources right?]

[high stratus]

btw I saw a shatter totem planner earlier that wasn't specialising thorn totems, they seem to have a base summon limit of just 2 so how does that work?

[sly bobcat]

relic gives +1 max right?

[high stratus]

nah it gives +1-2 levels to thorn totem, not max totems

+1 charge for fury leap too

[long totem]

Relying on claw totems maybe?

[high stratus]

it did have swipe specialised, I didn't check the tree so maybe

https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/upheaval_totem
Upheaval totem doesn't have any damage on its attribute scaling?

does it just use the Upheaval scaling for that?

[shut laurel]

yea

[high stratus]

how does that work with storm totem casting GS? Storm totem gets +4% increased damage per attunement but GS gets +1 flat per attunement

I did make that build so I should remember

[haughty remnant]

hi all guys

[sly bobcat]

storm totem gets to double dip iirc. you get the flat attunement damage and the increased totem damage

[haughty remnant]

Are there any builds that can one-shot bosses like the Bear build from last season?

[sly bobcat]

bear build can still scale insanely high

but i don't think it's one shotting bosses

[haughty remnant]

Will the bears be weakened this season?

[wise leaf]

Because warcry is point hungry for cold crit stuff and you're running apogees

[wise leaf]

Nah i could see reasons for it

[wise leaf]

No, not a hit, cannot crit

[sly bobcat]

yeah we went over that earlier. thanks tho

[patent dock]

Ahh for apogee levels, fair enough. Not 100% sure if it's worth it just for that though, usually warcry isn't super strapped for points ime

[sly bobcat]

this planner makes me want to try loading it into offline because farming it out for a build that likely won't function sounds awful

[wise leaf]

Cold damage + the 4 point crit node + the healing section

4 points for maelstrom

On self cast maelstrom i could see a utility crow setup working

[sly bobcat]

it can get tough if you're trying to get berserk, maelstrom, and cold/crit stuff all at once

[wise leaf]

Not beserk

[sly bobcat]

just maelstrom is already eating what, 5 points?

or 6

[wise leaf]

4

5 if you count the 1 point needed for the healing node

[undone smelt]

this seems to be good for leveling. I just one phased the first boss he didnt have time to transform

double jump also help

[sly bobcat]

i was, and 6 for the travel node leading to the heal. either through invuln or frailty

[wise leaf]

Fair

[sly bobcat]

so it's like 11 points if you want maelstrom and full inc cold damage on use. edit: jk i'm dumb

[wise leaf]

But yeah for self cast tsunami i could see a spirit xylem attunement stacking bm using a crow swarm spec'd for aspect of the crow

[sly bobcat]

aren't they gonna pretty randomly target you though?

idr if there's a thing that gives you aspect of the crow whenever a companion gets it or not

[ornate scroll]

i have 25 in it and i could still use like 6 more

[wise leaf]

Initial aspect of the crow is an on-hit trigger for you

The nearest ally thing is just extra

Could even do some llw/twisted heart shenanigans

[sly bobcat]

i thought aspect of the crow was like a buff your crows cast on random allies then you could make it only target totems if you wanted

or is that wisdom of the crow

[wise leaf]

Wisdom of the crow is a buff skill that grants aspect

Stack attunement, convert it to apathy, go LLW + twisted heart, use goodberries and shiz with the ward thing

[sly bobcat]

oooh interesting

[wise leaf]

Get free int from your crows

Spam the shit outta maelstrom

Crit cap would be the hard one

[sly bobcat]

tsunami is a hit isn't it

[wise leaf]

Yes

[sly bobcat]

you're doing this as BM?

with lynx i wouldn't think crit cap would be too difficult

idols for crit chance and/or lynx effect

as shaman i don't know if you'd even bother with crit and would instead just slap a 20% singularity and call it good

you'd need so much investment to crit cap as shaman

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A83ppl2n aight this might be my worst build to date

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (23) / Beastmaster (10) / Shaman (65) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,318, Regen: 317.96/s
▸ Mana: 424.51, Regen: 20.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 75%, Regen: 79/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 19 Dex / 11 Int / 109 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 124% / 124% / 71% / 50% / 80% / 80%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 712
▸ Dodge Chance: 65% (3019)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,083)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 115%

Used skills:

Tempest Strike / Maelstrom / Warcry / Tornado / Summon Storm Totem

[sly bobcat]

it just pretends DoTs don't exist

[high stratus]

18% chance to cast tornado per attack roughly

[sly bobcat]

yeah and you're attacking pretty fast

[high stratus]

can't you use tornadoes attach to you?

didn't they fix it?

[sly bobcat]

you can but you lose tornado count that way

[high stratus]

don't triggered tornadoes bypass the one tornado limit?

[sly bobcat]

i think this might actually generate enough tornados that it would be a damage loss to do that

[high stratus]

I thought that was the swarmblade tornado tech

[sly bobcat]

if they do then you 100% use attached tornados

[near leaf]

You can have multiple Tornadoes even attached to you

And they deal as much dmg as 2 Tornadoes

[sly bobcat]

yeah

[near leaf]

Except if we count Bolts

[sly bobcat]

then you def do that

nah no bolts

bolts are for people playing good builds

[high stratus]

back when serpent venom was one phasing uberroth they were using that tech to get lots of storm orbs for ailment stacks IIRC

[sly bobcat]

how does the base attack rate modifier on weapons apply when dual wielding? is it averaged or does it use the lower of the two?

[near leaf]

Average

What Storm Totem for?

[sly bobcat]

having a totem

[near leaf]

Warcry totem?

[sly bobcat]

warcry totem doesn't stick around for 100% uptime iirc and might be too hard on mana

[high stratus]

averaged iirc

[mossy coral]

"just" get a omen idol with cast thorn totem on hit

[near leaf]

OK, in that case take the movespeed from the Totem

[sly bobcat]

oh i thought i had it. u rite

[high stratus]

u can also get a whole 15 flat melee damage from it

[sly bobcat]

quick maffs says this is ~7.53 attacks per second

[near leaf]

[high stratus]

doesn't your tempest strike still cost 8 mana per swing?

[sly bobcat]

4

but yeah, it does

[high stratus]

always forgot that the top path saves mana too

it's alright the tornadoes only cost 110%

[sly bobcat]

the mana is most likely unsustainable. really really needs another 2 points to make it cost 0

[sly bobcat]

they're like 12 mana each after taking into account the efficiency on tornado tree!

[mossy coral]

Why not move the 2 shock nodes, you'll do zdps with it anyway

[high stratus]

that T7 tempest spell damage affix is so anemic lol

[sly bobcat]

you let me live my dreams cat

[high stratus]

I genuinely think you could 10x that affix and it would still be meh

1000 flat spell damage for tempest strike, still not gonna be overpowered

I do like how wind tempest looks though

[sly bobcat]

yeah the point of this is mostly to generate as much visual noise as possible with the wind effects

phys maelstrom, wind tempest, tornadoes

[high stratus]

oh yeah you're maelstrom too

you are gonna have zero mana

[mossy coral]

Gave myself 40 SP offline before, had every dmg node with increased mana cost and it did nothing. Crazy how they didn't test it when making it

[sly bobcat]

really feels like it's supposed to be a "volume of fire" skill instead of scaling through individual instances

[high stratus]

at least it only costs 16 mana

[high stratus]

which is why it only costs 16 mana

[sly bobcat]

baseline yeah. the reductions are there for a reason

[high stratus]

the reductions cost like a third of your skill points

[mossy coral]

I kinda wanna do a grim harvest lich, but it will a) suck b) cost between 12 - 24 mana every 3rd hit

Also I bet it will be bugged as well at this point

[karmic bison]

I wouldnt be so sure about that.

[high stratus]

oh god that axe is so slow

0.92 for a 3 hit combo meme weapon

[mossy coral]

Well that's the life of 2h weapons, except swords. Surely it can't be thaaaat bad can it?

[high stratus]

there's base crit in harvest's tree at least

I think you could give it a punt

[mossy coral]

24 base is kinda potent

and 100% increased crit by attacking

[sly bobcat]

people were playing crit lich before the rework and it did okay

should be fine

getting flat damage from dex is pretty neat

[mossy coral]

Don't think it can be in lich form though, dunno how they do it

[sly bobcat]

why not? only reason would be if you're on LLW

[mossy coral]

50% hp capped, will degen pretty fast I reckon

[sly bobcat]

nah just leech through it

you get a lot of leech as lich. plus overleech

quick hide Vlad's back

he hates acolytes

[mossy coral]

💀 It's Vlad 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[near leaf]

More Acolyte talk in my precious #🐺┃primalist

I'll impale you

😎

[sly bobcat]

i'm gonna start talking about smelter's wrath now

[near leaf]

I'll allow it

[mossy coral]

🌞 💀 💀 💀

[long totem]

Impale? Sounds a bit acolyte-y

[mossy coral]

This is actually #Allchat tbh

[karmic bison]

Scorpion tsunami version has much lower flat but more damage upfront, but also much less crit multi

[near leaf]

[cleanban newbosauras]

👋 👋

[sly bobcat]

i would think it gets more crit multi because of lynx effect

[hallow tartan]

i tried testing tempest a bit before the season started and it just did not feel good, i wouldn't suggest it but do w/e you think is fun

[mossy coral]

It is I, your normal everyday primalist

[near leaf]

Conf and catzy, I need you to stop me if I ever try to do a non Spriggan Shaman

[sly bobcat]

no can do

[near leaf]

This will always and poorly

[mossy coral]

Which spriggan are we talking about?

[near leaf]

Spriggan Shaman is fine

[high stratus]

aren't you at least a little tempted by GS melee with aftershock idols?

[near leaf]

Nope

[raven sluice]

did anything happen with scorps buggs?

[high stratus]

but the boulders man, the boulders! who cares if they arrive in 3-5 business days they look sweet af and build storm stacks

[high stratus]

EHG claims that tsunami is scaling with maelstrom stacks now

[near leaf]

They got raid

[raven sluice]

I think if you play gathering storm tsunami with aftershock idols and avalanche boulders, the normal attack with 25% chance per target to get 3 storm stacks can hopefully handle clear

that gives a lot of stacks very fast

and then you call in an artillery strike on single target

[sly bobcat]

i honestly like channeling skills where you can just sweep your cursor across the screen. i do wanna try that channeled avalanche I was cooking before the season

[ocean leaf]

@near leaf with your help/build was able to make it to 3XX corruption, just wondering what your thughts are on perhaps scaling my dmg further. Here is my current build. https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Hojana/character/Joehan

[near leaf]

Gg!!

How is the rage sustain?

[long totem]

Self cast tsunami with lagons and warcry for clear, avalanche for ST works nicely

That's my current thing

GS+fury leap rounds out

[desert birch]

has anyone tried the swarmblade tsunami setup that one guy was talking about a few days ago?

[ocean leaf]

No issues at all

[near leaf]

Sweet

Imo, you need more attunement

I like the last bear set, very tanky but

[long totem]

Anyone wanna give me build/gear farming advice?

[near leaf]

Armor> pale Ox could be nice
Gloves > Julra gloves with cast speed would be huge

[long totem]

I've got Xylem as my next target

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM688E7w

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 82

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (12) / Shaman (61) / Druid (2)

General:

▸ Health: 2,755, Regen: 103.51/s
▸ Mana: 424.41, Regen: 15.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 10 Dex / 2 Int / 90 Att / 0 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 55% / 122% / 121% / 115% / 64% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 53%, Threshold: 648
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (75)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,548)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Maelstrom / Fury Leap / Avalanche

[long totem]

And a grasp with LP