🧙┃mage

[harsh abyss]

Or right before release

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, iirc last two releases have been friday of hype week for patch notes and then season launch thursday of the following week

[proven haven]

Thats when our work truly starts

We gotta make Mage good again

[harsh abyss]

I'm curious what the changes will look like, for sure.

I've got what... 3-4 build that I'm looking at right now? With minor updates they could all be good.

[half pollen]

Man I wish they finally do fire aura some good. But if the 1 spell power per int and the resistance scaling is all they have its probably not enough

[harsh abyss]

They're also mentioned that they're improving the affixes that generate fire auras, so there may be other things we don't know yet too.

[austere jackal]

mage good again allright

mage build who does 1k corruption

not 300C

[harsh abyss]

Make mage the best ward generation class again.

[austere jackal]

ward doesnt exist class mage is shit

on 1k-2k corruption

ward max to 7k

[nimble shoal]

If it's anything like the other upcoming (and recent) changes to skill procs we've seen, I suspect they will raise the proc limit and possibly proc chance as well - e.g., 1 per 1s -> 3 per 1s

and hopefully they will realize the fire aura when hit proc has way too low of proc chance

[harsh abyss]

I mean "when hit" procs are mid in general, IMO

[nimble shoal]

yeah, that's why I feel like it should be easy to get very high if you want it... but also wouldn't complain if they just remove it entirely as an affix

[harsh abyss]

Yeah I dont like it conceptually because getting hit is the last thing you want, especially as a mage.

"On block" or "On parry" is fine because you WANT those things to happen.

[nimble shoal]

Well when hit happens for both of those things
For fire aura, I think it's related to flame ward's retaliation effect (which used to be the fire aura skill iirc), and it's not terrible as far as making a really passive build is concerned, just won't generally help much for bossing

[harsh abyss]

Yeah I mean even as it is now, Fire Aura is fine if all you want it to do is clear the chaff.

[proven haven]

That's a bit hyperbolic, Mage can do 1-2k corr, it's just been a step behind the top Rogue's and Sentinels, and now also Primalist's and Acolytes. Only being somewhat propped up by Spark Charges and Ladle imo

[austere jackal]

hmmm

i try your build

and i finish on 1k

cant more than 5k ward

that i swap to ballista

and do 3.5k c

[proven haven]

Even without Twisted Heart equipped I got more than 5k ward

[austere jackal]

i inv your mage build best bro on season

[proven haven]

so idk, you missed something

[austere jackal]

zdps on 3k orobys

[proven haven]

Yep. If <1min uber kills are zdps then there are very few builds that aren't zdps

Totally fine if you want to push corruption, agree that Mage isn't the best at that right now. But it's also a really really niche goal

[harsh abyss]

I just hate that since the Sentinel update they've been better at generating ward than Mages are 😢

[austere jackal]

your build its good to fast farming

but still cant do 1k or 2k

[proven haven]

?

[austere jackal]

low ward idk what to say

low ward cap with killing monsteres

[proven haven]

Like I said, if you only have 5k ward you are doing something very wrong. I have over 5k stable ward without using Twisted Heart at all

With TH you can go past 8k

[austere jackal]

5k-10k its nothing on 1k-2kc

[proven haven]

https://youtu.be/yGyaT2d7ajU?si=e0DwFQX1TOaSe3Mc&t=70 sorry, actually like 7k ward without Twisted Heart

I literally stopped using ward gen because I didn't need it lmao

[austere jackal]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/fb6c90qy#1

this is your plans

and not working build

with belt wariant

i have eveything

and better

and shattered word

and no nihils this other amulet

i here to not talking about your build

[proven haven]

Yea idk, something is missing. Either Runic Invo is not set up right, or incorrect skill tree setup, or incorrect affixes, or something 🤷‍♂️ Many people have killed Uber with this in HC

also hold on a minute, you saying this is less tanky than zhp ballista? naw

[austere jackal]

zhp balista better tanky than this mage

[proven haven]

lol

link your mage planner my guy

and ballista if you have

[austere jackal]

ye ok

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/borman1494

my acc

[proven haven]

ty

Your skill bar is in the wrong order, for Runic Invocation

you aren't getting ward from it

You also don't have cast speed idols, meaning less ward from TH

[austere jackal]

ok ok that mage

check my rogue

[proven haven]

yea if something hits you, you die, the build revolves aren't not getting hit

[austere jackal]

im tanky than mage on orobys

[proven haven]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/runic_invocation18_ice_shield my point is that you struggled with Mage because you were missing the primary source of ward generation

I don't agree that you are "more tanky" but you probably don't need to tank orobyss if you oneshot it lol

[austere jackal]

not oneshot

zdps my balista

[proven haven]

huh? You mean zhp? This looks like zhp ballista to me

[austere jackal]

look idols

look belt

48% dodge

with belt more and idols

[proven haven]

I guess we just have a different opinion on what "tanky" means then, that's okay

[austere jackal]

still tanky than mage with low ward

my opinion

you check my budget build

and if i swap to your advice im still not tanky and low ward

[proven haven]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/runic_invocation18_ice_shield you are missing 600 ward per second and 700 ward every ~5s. Of course you don't feel tanky

[radiant vessel]

Zdps ballista had to be a new kind of torture

[rapid hinge]

you're way too patient FS 😂

[lavish apex]

This looks like it would die to a sneeze if it didn't kill the sneeze first

[proven haven]

Patient, bored, same thing. Just waiting for 1.4

[south saffron]

i cant wait for 1.4 🙂

[tepid barn]

im tanky🤣

[stable holly]

That’s the point

[lavish apex]

The person was arguing that it was tanky

[abstract scaffold]

Gotta pump those numbers up 💪

[weary hornet]

Ward is for the weak

[lavish apex]

Consider me cripplingly anemic then because I'd take that Ward bar

[proven haven]

Are you going the 3 different rune spam? Gives giga ward

[proven haven]

This idk. That's like 1.0 levels of ward. Missing mana boot affix abuse?

[rapid hinge]

looks like ward on dodge + mountain foot shenanigan to me

i mean dusk shroud on something + mountain foot

[proven haven]

This is Mage channel! Banned

[rapid hinge]

also i'm a little surprised that missing mana + focus shenanigan is still in the game

iirc it's been there since 1.0

right?

[austere jackal]

thats a good ss mages

20k ward i mean ok

60k ward awesome

now cant have 10k

maybe some old spellblade comeback static strike with shatter strike

[proven haven]

Pretty sure that got that fixed in 1.0 or 1.1, I made a video about it and EHG immediately slapped it

60k ward is not okay at all. Thats basically immortality

Even 20k stable ward is 7k ward per second at 500 ward retention

60k stable is around 60k/sec

[rapid hinge]

i just tried it in game and still works

[proven haven]

What. You mean the spam tap?

[rapid hinge]

yes

animation cancel the focus

[proven haven]

Well it WAS fixed...

[rapid hinge]

💀

[proven haven]

Ill re-upload the video I guess

[rapid hinge]

wait a sec

i was using the offline client, and the last time i updated it was 1.3

[proven haven]

Did you have traversal node?

[rapid hinge]

maybe u can try it in online version first

[proven haven]

1.3 is now

[rapid hinge]

to make sure

of course traversal node, wont work without it no?

oh true it's still 1.3

[proven haven]

Yea just checking idk. I'll look after work if I remember

[rapid hinge]

im booting up the game to try

[abstract scaffold]

Close call + Foot of the mountain + Wall of nothing + Ward on block + 100 weak enemies attacking you

Technically possible on mage

[rapid hinge]

looks like it's not possible to animation cancel in online client

unless im doing something wrong

[proven haven]

Wonder if you could do the same with that ward gained per current mana shield

[proven haven]

Yeah iirc it was different for offline and online even back then, it was much harder to do in one than the other

[rapid hinge]

yup, i can do it very easily in offline confirmed

[austere jackal]

who play offline

i dont understand people

or who play COF

this is online game to trade with players

not SSF

godd damm where am i

[austere jackal]

noobs go back maybe to poe

you a lot chating with this game on epoch

maybe you should try dont go back

[proven haven]

No it is not. LE was not designed to be an economy game like PoE. LE didn't even have multiplayer until pretty late in its life.

[strange needle]

Dude you are so damm wrong cof its amazing in this game with some problems for sure but a lot better than solo play in poe 2

[austere jackal]

you still here talking about other game

maybe you dont come back here

im never play this game like you said POE

[strange needle]

Rofl

[austere jackal]

@proven haven dont understand what you say sorry

[strange needle]

Keep trolling maybe you will be good at any arpg

[austere jackal]

look my dc only fps game and epoch

or diablo 2

[reef thistle]

Hard for a game not to have problems with having an economy for MG when seasonal mechanics also apply to legacy

[stone rapids]

you literally brought up poe right above him. obvious troll is obvious

[austere jackal]

for talking about other game you should be timedout for 15minutes

[rapid hinge]

i see the quality of trolls has gone down quite a bit since the last time

i used to think that's not possible

[strange needle]

Yep gotta up their game a bit

[austere jackal]

i see trolls too

[proven haven]

Some people prefer to find their own items, others prefer to trade.

COF is not the same as SSF, and was never meant to be the same.

SSF is meant to be a harder mode for a game balanced around trade. COF is meant to be an equal alternative to trade.

Yea y'all are probably right though. Shouldn't feed troll behavior.

[lavish apex]

bait used to be believable

[strange needle]

Yo frozen when are we gonna see the new black hole ignite tech video 1.4 maybe

[austere jackal]

@proven haven im not troll but ty for repeat

but im still COF for ssf players

cannot trade with others

gold for cof players dosent exist

dont need gold

1 kill rare monster/or boss drops a 20 unique items

its so OP

T7 mods faster than MG

and other stuff

[stone rapids]

lol

[austere jackal]

where is balance

[proven haven]

It's really janky and needs a lot of love before I'd feel comfortable making a video. As it stands in 1.3 I probably wouldn't recommend it, I'm hoping some of the 1.4 updates fix that.

The setup I showed before was assuming insane gear with a long setup and really precise timing

[strange needle]

Cool yeah I know know when its truly minmaxed you will show it to us

Supposedly some nodes are getting fixed in bh tree this next patch

[proven haven]

Yep I saw, supermassive at a minimum. I did also see some other things I thought might be bugs but wasn't sure

Like the dual hole not applying 2x ailments

[strange needle]

I saw a ehg member in reddit saying something about yeah bugs in it so cool to see some mage love coming

[proven haven]

Yea that was a reply to my comment lmao

[proven haven]

Celestial Doom

Reduced Doom Pulse cooldown from 4 seconds to 2 seconds

@harsh abyss its your time to shine

[harsh abyss]

oh shiiiii

Lets go boys

Mana stacker was pretty low on my list for this season though

[abstract scaffold]

Not to such an absurd degree I think. The point of the setup at the end of it is to build up tens of thousands of ward decay threshold. Moenia mentis will just get eaten up by ward decay too fast I would guess

[harsh abyss]

+2 chains on Battlemage's Endeavor might be kind of cool. I dunno if it'll be enough to make it good though, we'll have to see if the other spellblade changes feel good for it.

I've always wanted that item to actually be decent but it's so hard for it to compete with Dragorath's

[proven haven]

Probably not, LB without enigma kinda meh

[harsh abyss]

yeah

That's why I'm crossing my fingers for spellblade changes 😝

Enigma needs to be nerfed into the dirt so the rest of mage can be buffed.

[lavish apex]

time to revisit my gaspar runemaster baby. it's gonna still be bad, but harder

[harsh abyss]

Attunement stacking Gaspar set might be kind of interesting. Probably for Sentinel or Primalist though

[tribal veldt]

celestial doom getting the most limp buff ever, it's so over

[harsh abyss]

What do you mean, they literally DOUBLED its DPS! 😝

[stone rapids]

get ready for that to be the only caster weapon buff while ladle gets nerfed xd

[lavish apex]

where are you proccing all three decimates anywhere other than mage?

[harsh abyss]

Who cares about decimates? 4% crit multi per attunement is actually huge

[lavish apex]

aren't those stats specifically for the decimate or did I read it wrong?

because it's also flat 4% crit chance per int which is completely absurd regardless of class

[harsh abyss]

It doesn't say that it's for decimate specifically in the eterra monthly, I guess we'll have to see

[lavish apex]

yeah it doesn't there, but I figured it was implied. that flat crit scaling would be broken in half if it wasn't specifically for decimate

[harsh abyss]

IDK, Gaspar set requires a scepter, which means it might actually be used instead of not at all

Even with the buffs, decimate isn't ever going to be strong enough to matter

[lavish apex]

yeah right now decimate only scales with its really high ADE and spell damage, which isn't very much overall

and iguess "void" but there's not really much of that floating around

oh it actually does have attribute scaling. it has int and att already

it's weird how so many mage related things care about attunement, but nothing on mage does

[harsh abyss]

I keep saying that Sorc should have attunement related scaling, since it's all about the mana

[tribal veldt]

gaspar's set is not a mage specific thing but yea there's some attunement stuff here and there

[tribal veldt]

I like that you have to work for your max mana personally, it's an interesting dynamic

[harsh abyss]

I don't mind that, but I think Intelligence is a bit overloaded on how much mage relies on it

It makes it hard to do anything else than int stacking and have it be decent.

[tribal veldt]

the amount of attribute stacking payoffs in the game is absurd and I hate it

and mage might be the worst offender

[harsh abyss]

yeah

[tribal veldt]

back in the day red ring of atlaria was a super-endgame somewhat niche pick because going to 180 attributes was a cost you were paying, now you do it incidentally...

[lavish apex]

it's also significantly easier to get extra attributes on your uniques now

[proven haven]

Rather you pick uniques that give the attributes you care about because that is the only way you getting more than T7 of it otherwise.

If mage is all about int stack there isn't much incentive to use exalt bases that don't grant anything for it.

Still using uniques with int purely because they give int.

Iirc rogue has some bases that give dex, no?

[harsh abyss]

Primalist definitely has ones that give str/attune

[lavish apex]

Elecoe's chest gives dex iirc

[proven haven]

I mean subtypes

[lavish apex]

oooh the actual item bases

yeah there's at least one rogue base that gives dex implicitly

[proven haven]

Assuming int is what you want, and uniques give T7 int plus 10 or whatever int, exalts will never compete. If exalts could close that gap maybe with special subtypes or something like "mage class boots" that have special mage bonuses maybe you wouldnt see so much telfun and blood

They nerfed blood but 8 int is still more than 0 int

[stone rapids]

been saying that we need better bases

bases should be pretty giga (like champ regalia or leonine) given how much harder it is to get a good exalt than a good unique

[elfin rapids]

Did you guys like the improvement on Wildfire Embers? You spread the ignite twice the rate it was before and... That's it?

[harsh abyss]

I've got a build that's planning to use it but the actually core mechanics of it aren't the reason why. The Fire Resist -> Ignite Chance line is literally the main reason to use it.

Based on the testing I've done with it in the past, the actual wisps themselves are functionally useless, which sucks 😭

And the ignite spreading isn't that valuable because clearing screens isn't a problem for any build

[tepid barn]

Teleport then ccf hit Your own mirrors

[elfin rapids]

Is it that fireball build or something else?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah it's the fireball build

I wish the Wisps felt more impactful, but my testing just says that they aren't. I'm curious to see how the build plays in practice.

[tribal veldt]

just having that item do what the text says it does will be a 10000% improvement

even if it ends up still being bad

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I agree with that as well

It's hard to say "this is bad and needs improvement" when it just... doesn't do what it says it does.

[elfin rapids]

Are you guys refering to the ignite spreading or the wisps? Because the Eterra Monthly only mention wisps proc rate, not mechanical changes.

And about the spread, they even made a dev note saying the duration still will be the remaining from the original ignites, which was one of the complaints.

Of course that the double proc rate mitigates that, but anyway.

I hope they are saving more Wildfire Embers changes for the patch notes.

[harsh abyss]

Fingers crossed, for sure

[tepid barn]

https://youtu.be/qqrFzWyD7-0 it's good for arenas also thanks for the LB tech boosted so much more DMG then before

[elfin rapids]

On other hand they buffed Spirit Xylem that i thought didn't even need a buff.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the attunement stacking consecrate paladin build is gonna be bonkers

[flat hedge]

It's already pretty good too. I was even planning to start it for the new season.

[proven haven]

I like this tech a lot. Looked at that runic but totally forgot mage even had minions

You could probably cheese this harder with foot boots and tp to move around yea?

Also EHG pls give us typed teleport

[tepid barn]

Mountain boots?

[proven haven]

Foot of Mountain

[harsh abyss]

Give us "Arcane" spells with unique support and stuff.

[tepid barn]

Yeh I can't because I'm using dodge per heo rune so I will lose my dodge chance

[proven haven]

Ah rip

[dawn laurel]

is meteor in any way as an active build viable?

i like the mechanic but i am struggling to figure out from builds how well it will do on higher corruption and vs uber

[proven haven]

yes Meteor can kill Uber, you can do the vilatria ladle thing with mana guide and a bunch of flat spell + int stack. Mana dump + recharge. Probably do sub 2 minute with 77 gear

[dawn laurel]

could you link me a build from maxroll please, just tried to look it up, but the site does not let me use any of it's interactive properties.
can not select a class, mastery, nor search for specific builds

[proven haven]

There probably isnt one that exists

I've just tried it myself

[dawn laurel]

ah shiiiii

[proven haven]

Didn't make a guide because it was like B tier

[dawn laurel]

tbh i just wanna play something fun for the rest of the season

i have grown somewhat tired of WPVK

and i like the mechanic of meteor

could you give me a baseline for equipment uniques/ sets and just the most synergistic spells please?

i'll figure the rest

this is what i got so far, still undecided as to what to throw into golves, and relix

might put ucenui into relic, not sure if that is efficient tho

[nimble shoal]

Ucenui's is more of a rogue relic, stormcarved testament would be better (though idk what the best in slot relic would be)

[dawn laurel]

hmm, to me it seems, that the stacks from water orb provide more damage/value, than the pen and additional from stormcarved

[nimble shoal]

It takes a long time to ramp up Ucenui's, and the increased damage is additive with the hundreds of damage increase you'll already have, pen is a lot harder to get and the extra phys res and mana are handy. Still, stormcarved is probably not best in slot anyway

Side note, the meteor belt might tank your mana if you plan on direct casting meteor

[dawn laurel]

twisted heart might be interesting

[proven haven]

Unstable core, ladle, arcane visage exalt with vilatria reforged, orian descent belt, blood of exile boots, red ring, Legends Entwined, mana guide, shattered worlds, eternal gauntlets. Int on everything, mana, crit multi elsewhere.

TH is fine too but you dont cast THAT much with meteor. Meteor belt sucks. You dont want blood grasp gloves because mana cost is high and kills your ward.

You could use strands of souls for big ward generation

You could maybe also go mana tank with Seed helm and vilatria staff but you will lose a lot of DPS

[dawn laurel]

thank you

im assuming teleport, flame ward, meteor

what trigger?

black hole?

[proven haven]

Direct cast

Trigger is ass, only really works with focus and dps is low

[dawn laurel]

i see, what do i use as 4 and 5

[proven haven]

You need focus, and probably arcane ascendance for mana efficiency and more damage when you burst meteor.

AA will give you much more dps when dumping mana but playstyle is a bit awkward

Alternative probably frost wall

[dawn laurel]

gotcha okay

thank you for your assistance!

[cold nexus]

whats the best fireball sorc build i can do rn?

gonna dabble a little until the patch comes out

also interested in meteor lol

[proven haven]

if you want the best you probably aren't playing fireball xd, but if you really want you can basically just build LB, and instead use fireball with the fireball spark gloves

if you want both you can do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb4pnP7QJJo

[cold nexus]

awesome I'll check this out, and yeah not really looking for meta I just like fireballs 🤣

[harsh abyss]

I'd share you my ignite fireball build but it looks like I forgot to save it 😝

@proven haven Do you know if the Flame Burst node from Disintegrate inherits all of the More mulitipliers from the Disintegrate tree? It seems kind of similar to the Spark Nova where it's an ailment that procs a spell thing, so I wonder if if doesn't.

Also does Twin Beams make it proc twice as fast? (Or Twice every 2 seconds?)

[proven haven]

idk, it doesn't have its own skill tree, I think it would? Can't say I've looked

Even if it did I reckon the damage would be low

[harsh abyss]

It's got a 500% added damage multi inherently, and Disintegrate has a fair amount of More modifiers

[proven haven]

oh 🤔

every 2s though?

[harsh abyss]

Maybe every 1s with twin beams? IDK

This is super weird though:

[proven haven]

hm maybe but its a hit, the stuff you would be scaling with it wouldn't really synergize that well

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I was curious if anyone had done anything with it ever because I was poking around the disintegrate tree for other reasons and noticed it

With 1% more fire damage per 2 int, Glass cannon, escalation, etc it seems like it might do bonkers damage if you build into it

IF it inherits the More multis

[proven haven]

Yea I think you could try it, maybe with vilatria int stack

maybe still use ignivar

not sure if worth

even if you get like 30x damage its still pretty low though

[harsh abyss]

If you get all the more Multis (not including Ignivar), it comes out to 49x damage I think?

Assuming 200 int

1.5 (Stored Power) x
1.5 (Searing Plasma) x
2.0 (Dragon Tongue with 200 int) x
4.0 (Amplification) x
1.24 (Lucomancer) x
2.2 (Glass Cannon)

Not counting any gear (Aside from bonus levels) or any bonuses from outside the Disintegrate tree, like Glyph of Dominion

Also if you're using Ignivar's, you're going to be going for 100% crit, which means your flame burst will crit 🤔

[proven haven]

Alright so call it 13x from increased, maybe 4x from multi, 2x from ignivar, maybe 1.5x from pen and maybe 1.5x from shred, say 150 flat being generous

574m?

that doesnt seem right

oh oops 500x effect

5.74m*

premitigation

so like 0.74m dps on uber

[harsh abyss]

So like... 80s kill or so assuming constant dps?

Probably closer to 2 minutes or so

[proven haven]

more like 350s

so maybe like 7 minutes

[harsh abyss]

That's just counting the flame burst though, right? Not the actual disintegrate DPS?

[proven haven]

yea but it would be nothing

if you are building it this way

flame burst doesn't scale with ele dot

and without ele dot disintegrate is even more zdps

also without mana stack or void glove abuse

also if you dont get like 600%+ crit zpds

but if you do, then flame burst is ass, wasted opportunity cost

no synergy

[harsh abyss]

yeah, fair

[steel steppe]

Hi, changes presented in recent ettera's monthly motivated me to finally finish the guide for my melee runemaster. It's based on Freezing Point build from Dread in season 1. The guide is currently awaiting approval on lastepochtools, but in the meantime I'm looking for some feedback and maybe tips for the build.

Maybe there's something that I missed or could be improved

The build is capable of doing 1k corruption and uber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnJM7mJNY0

[proven haven]

looks cool, have an uber kill to show?

[steel steppe]

trying to get it now 🙂 I might have a slight lag while recording the screen, which combined with my mediocre eye-mouse coordination results with more deaths than usual 😄

Normally I'm able to complete every 3rd - 4th one. Just need to dodge almost everything for 5-6 minutes

[steel steppe]

https://youtu.be/KJtFzsILcVU

another failed attempt... but you can see the damage output on uber. I will record a proper video when I have a little bit more time

[south yoke]

volcanic orb incoming s4? :V

[proven haven]

This is a really cool build, I like it, but I'll be honest 5-6 minute Uber where you must dodge everything with full 2T7+ gear is probably going to get some backlash for calling it Uber viable, to the average player

[steel steppe]

hah, true 🙂 but maybe with Battlemage's Endeavour and passive tree buffs it will be better... 🙂

I will also try to make a full dps version of it. Since the build needs to dodge things, I may as well go all in on dps

[proven haven]

Yea true, I'm guessing there will be more trigger synergy

EHG seems to be focusing on that for 1.4

[harsh abyss]

I still think BE won't be good unless it's just a flat 100% chance to cast LB on every attack

[proven haven]

depends what other trigger stuff we get. We could get like, triggered spells deal 2% more damage per dex in Spellblade or something crazy like that, who knows

if SB gets the sentinel treatment it could be strong

[harsh abyss]

That's true

We already know you get like 50% melee damage as spell damage or something, right? That alone is going to be fairly big for trigger builds

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, 40% of the flat on your weapon

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that'll be pretty big

[proven haven]

apparently this double dips with stuff like this

unfortunate part is its only melee on weapon, so stuff like mourningfrost which kids fits well with spellblade doesn't really apply

for this, I mean

[harsh abyss]

I've always wanted a way to get the melee damage added from the skills added as spell damage, so you could do mana stacking mana strike and get crazy added damage and spell damage

[proven haven]

Yea I'm not sure if that type of thing ever happens in LE, does it? Flat from skill applied to a trigger?

increases and whatnot seem to apply when its not its own separate skill but flat is a lot more rare to be granted by that and usually the trigger would just recalc the flat I think 🤔

[harsh abyss]

🤷‍♀️ It's just something I've always wanted in Mana Strike to make mana stacking with it good. Imagine stacking 2000 mana and getting 300 flat lightning damage from it

[proven haven]

we gonna be getting 5k mana in S4

hype

not sure if useful

[harsh abyss]

SOrb builds eating good

[proven haven]

not really, they dont really scale well with mana anymore

[harsh abyss]

I mean it still gets 1% more damage per 5 max mana

[proven haven]

it's true but 1000% more isn't a lot for what you sacrifice to get 5k mana

its hard to mana stack and also int stack

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's fair

[proven haven]

that's like attune stack + Xylem

with % mana jank slams

[harsh abyss]

Yeah for mage that's pretty garbage.

But for Sentinel that might be amazing, lol

[strange needle]

I am sure you can make a good static orb build with vilatria tech but realistically mana stacking is pretty much done for that build a shame because after playing mana flay which I consider second to static orb it feels amazing

Sentinel for sure judgement its gonna get spicy with the buffs to xylem

[proven haven]

I played a bit with judgement xylem, testing

it was pretty cool

idk if its worth though

mana recovery kinda annoying and the DoT is small unlike the fist

and you do give up a lot from other scalings vs just mana multi

pretty tanky though

[nimble shoal]

Flat damage is no different from damage increases when it comes to stat inheritance. The parts that don't pass down are base damage and added damage effectiveness, as those are part of the skill rather than stats.

[proven haven]

so if you have a bunch of flat melee, frost claw converts to flat spell, then it triggers ice spiral, that ice spiral has the flat spell?

[nimble shoal]

Yeah

I'm assuming ice spiral is a subskill of frost claw, I've never tested that to be sure

[proven haven]

I didn't either, but I think it is

but then if the subskill has a different effectiveness the flat added by main is multiplied? or I guess its the original

like skill adds +100 with 500% effect

and subskill has 200% effect

it would be just 200 flat on sub

I reckon?

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, exactly

[proven haven]

well thats neat

too bad most subskills suck

[nimble shoal]

It's how attacks that proc spells work, too, like the judgement melee attack has a lot of flat spell damage but doesn't use it for anything other than passing it on to consecrated ground

(Well, I say a lot, but it's just whatever your stat is lol)

[proven haven]

cons ground is a subskill?

I guess I didn't realize, thought it was part of the skill

makes sense they code it that way

not many mage subskills get good scaling like that

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, there are a lot of less obvious "technical subskills" too, a common example is like meteor - the spell you actually cast just makes a harmless meteor falling from the sky effect that then procs an explosion subskill to deal the damage

Basically useless info, but yeah mage's non-specializable procs really do tend to be junk

[proven haven]

Its really unintuitive how subskills and triggers of other skills or recasts of same skills are all kinda different

[dapper flare]

Some interesting ways they work tho. Especially when inherited by other skills that cascade things even more. Like with Primalist companions inheriting your skills and also having sub skills. because it blends your stats, minion stats, and also stats from each tree.

Another example that expands off what @nimble shoal said about judgement is the interactions between Conc Ground and Holy Eruption. Where the conc ground continues to pass the same stats it inherits to Holy Eruption.

There def needs to be more intuitive design around subskills and how they interact. Also fixing the conditional modifiers not passing, because that is just something most won't know.

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, that's the biggest thing that is confusing, when stuff doesn't pass down. They have gotten a bit better about making all non-specializable skills inherit stats, but there's still those weird conditional effects and non-stat effects that never pass down (but are sometimes manually applied to subskills in code)

and definitely still some skills that aren't subskills even when they appear like they would be (fire aura, for example)

[dapper flare]

or vice versa, where they aren't subskills per se, but inherit like Caltrops

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, caltrops is one that acts somewhat like a non-subskill since it gets global modifiers from multiple trees, but in reality is still truly a subskill... not sure why they haven't given fire aura this treatment yet, tbh, I know it's newer tech they didn't have way back in the day when fire aura was made, but they've really been updating fire aura a lot recently

[dapper flare]

I think even with the changes we've seen, if it doesn't get that treatment it will still be quite strong

[radiant vessel]

Fire aura does have this treatment, it's technically a sub skill of flame ward :P

It's just that only a few nodes apply since they're such different skills

So it's same same, but different because it sucks lul

[dapper flare]

the nodes that apply specifically mention it tho right?

[radiant vessel]

Yeah but that's just because nobody would think they'd work on it otherwise

The new way they do it is to tell us that things like storm bolts and caltrops are a sub skill of a specific skill explicitly

They didn't really do that in the past

But I guess they realized nobody would think dilation would work on fire aura if they didn't tell us

[nimble shoal]

I don't think it actually is, it has its own attribute scaling that it uses

[radiant vessel]

That's also a newer thing afaik

[nimble shoal]

and regardless, that would still not be the same treatment since it's not cast as a subskill of the skills you proc it with

[dapper flare]

Caltrops isn't explicit. Storm Bolts is in Gathering Storm, but it's interactions outside of that tree aren't explicit when used by wolves, scorp, etc. Fire Aura being explicit makes it seem more like a global skill than subskill the way I see it.

[nimble shoal]

that would be the storm bolt treatment, if it really was a subskill of flame ward

[radiant vessel]

Mmmm maybe you're right. I think I had a conversation about this with Mike a while back and yeah it wasn't an actual sub skill, which tbf I didn't think storm bolts actually was in reality either, it's just designed in a way that it might as well be

Like I don't know if storm bolts actually inherit the gathering storm attribute scaling or uses its own, that just so happens to be the same

Oh wait it has none

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, I think technically storm bolt might not be a subskill, but just a normal skill with the gathering storm skill tree applied to it

[radiant vessel]

So yeah it's a real subskill

Storm bolt has no attribute scaling

So it has to be inheriting from gathering storm

[dapper flare]

yeah It's a subskill with global procs

[radiant vessel]

It also has the fire tag instead of the lightning tag lul, but that doesn't matter

[nimble shoal]

GS has the wrong skill linked, this is the real storm bolt: https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/primal_lightning

[radiant vessel]

Ah

So yeah it might be what I was saying

I'll ask

[dapper flare]

No shot it gets 1 spell per attunement 😮

[nimble shoal]

If storm bolt is not a real subskill, it's identical to how forged weapons work

summon forged weapon is not a subskill, either

[dapper flare]

I see it like Judgement/Conc

[radiant vessel]

Conc is a subskill tho

[dapper flare]

yupp

[nimble shoal]

but also you are able to directly cast storm bolt by using GS with the staff node somehow, idk how that works out lol

[dapper flare]

I'm saying it is a subskill haha

[radiant vessel]

I think gathering storm and stormbolts are two different skills that just share a tree

I asked so maybe mike will shed light

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, this is my assumption

[dapper flare]

But storm bolts gets GS nodes

[radiant vessel]

Yeah they share the tree

That's not the same as one being a subskill

[nimble shoal]

especially since it's not really normally cast by GS directly, it's procced when a buff stack is consumed

[dapper flare]

I just mean it assumes the things that apply to GS, like a subskill would

[radiant vessel]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Yep not a subskill

[dapper flare]

Interesting

[nimble shoal]

if it were a real subskill, then your storm bolt damage would 'snapshot' at the time you use GS to gain the stack rather than calculate its stats when it procs

[radiant vessel]

Ye

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[dapper flare]

I just figured they'd make the stack duration refresh until cast, outside of the skill tree

[radiant vessel]

Yeah okay fire aura isn't either

But it's the same deal

So like it's not one but it might as well be lul

It's technicalities

[dapper flare]

so they are the same setup. Just bolts has more skill tree options lmao. Well barely.

[radiant vessel]

Yep

[dapper flare]

and also has more interactions and support 😛

[radiant vessel]

So just as you'd say stormbolts are a subskill of gathering storm (even though they're technically not) fire aura is a subskill of flame ward (even though in reality it's not)

And burning daggers with cinder strike

[dapper flare]

Well I'd say they are global skills with a skill tree

[radiant vessel]

Yeah pretty much

[dapper flare]

People wonder why there isn't a damage calc for this game lmao

[nimble shoal]

I still think fire aura is in a slightly different category with burning dagger

but not super important

[radiant vessel]

Yeah out of all the examples fire aura for sure has the weakest "link" to its "parent" skill

[nimble shoal]

oh yeah, and summon forged weapon is also in the same category with fire aura and burning dagger

[radiant vessel]

Especially considering it has other nodes that affect it globally outside of the flame ward tree

[radiant vessel]

Yeah with forged strike

Or whatever it's called lol

[dapper flare]

bro doesn't know sentinel skill names lmao

[radiant vessel]

Only forgeguard lmao

[nimble shoal]

tbf it's forge guard lol

[dapper flare]

Can't wait for Fire Aura SB to be top tier next season

[radiant vessel]

Forgeguard and shaman are my least touched

[nimble shoal]

I really hope fire aura is finally good (or at least good-ish)

[dapper flare]

should be, but will be clunky af to play if you want to maximize dps

[nimble shoal]

I've already got ideas of a silly autobomber using the new orbiting VO rings

single target I am expecting to be relatively junk

[dapper flare]

I know they are changing some manner of ways to gen auras, but yeah. The ways to get like 80+ auras is so cumbersome

[proven haven]

just slot in -100% speed idol

for boss

[nimble shoal]

Perhaps yeah, depends on where the orbs spawn and how lazy I am... I haven't put too much thought into exactly how the VOs will scale yet since they are apparently changing up the tree

[proven haven]

oh neat

I played with VO a bit and you can crank out decent DPS with the no move orbs and the good ole ladle + vilatria, targeting was always a pain though

the explosive grounds aren't bad with some AoE though, add a lot of damage

hope we just get some buffs there

[tribal veldt]

if they somehow make SB the most viable fire aura class I can retire in peace

and no the "stack fire aura just to get generic buffs for another skill" nodes don't count 😒

[south saffron]

hi Frozen. I am super bored and want to make a non-melee character since all I have done is melee. What mage class and build would be good for this?

[proven haven]

#🎥┃video-shoutout message

[south saffron]

thank you so much 🙂

[nimble shoal]

Here was exactly what they said, definitely sounds like buffs

The compacting point investments is huge imo

[proven haven]

well if there are big buffs, the stuff I was playing with could actually be usable. Was getting quite a few millions of DPS with it

[nimble shoal]

Very well could be, I was also thinking about how frostbite builds might become possible now

or at least, better out of the gate

[proven haven]

maybe but it already has shred -> frostbite

which has bigger affix rolls

ignite comes in some other places though so maybe

the ailments just overall felt really weak, almost all of the ones I tried just ended up being worse than hits with the same skill

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, I guess VO doesn't really have significant ignite chance built in

[proven haven]

the ones with potential are usually ones with really low base damage effectiveness

and a lot of multis to compensate

[nimble shoal]

Shrapnel kinda falls in that category

I was thinking about this in combination with the fire+ice orbiting VO rings, but I guess unless they actually put ignite chance into VO it won't really be useful

[proven haven]

it doesn't need ignite to be useful if it has a lot of hits and decent multis

I got some pretty crazy ignite damage out of Runic Invo

[nimble shoal]

not to mention the armor shred conversion only works for spells

[proven haven]

with the igneous thing

the explode ground overlaps a lot with some AoE

[harsh abyss]

Hopefully they a look at ALL THE OTHER mage skills for this too 😝

[nimble shoal]

heh

[harsh abyss]

Multi-meteor tree should be removed entirely in favor of better More multipliers in general (Maybe with a single node that is "Meteor storm" where you drop +5 meteors but they get 60% less damage or something)

[nimble timber]

looking for feedback on my mage - following a mix of frozen and pinching's LB runemaster and having a hell of a time getting through 100c empowered monos. after 82 levels, 15 prophecies and 30+ ascendance runes i literally just got my first fragment of the enigma as well and have only tried one or two monos since i got that. just wondering if there are any glaring issues for survivability (for example some killing blows are fire/phys which im maxed res on, so do i need more armor? levels? )

character: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/swarlesx/character/Magoo

edit: i also have an incredibly limited supply of havoc runes and exalted items in general for slams. at most i might be able to get one or two the way i want them. hasnt been the luckiest run for drops

[umbral perch]

I don't play a lot of mage, but 1k health is not enough to feel comfortable in monos for most builds, and I see only one ward related passive in your passives, I can't imagine you're rocking particularly high ward amounts. I would guess your EHP is low due to almost completely ignoring HP and not investing much in ward.

[proven haven]

Finish your blessings, get flat armour and proper % armour. Get all res and crit multi. Finish your idol slots and get some decent idols. You can avoid some defense with proper offense, but you have neither right now.

Health doesn't really matter without TH anyway tbh.

Armour will reduce hit damage taken a lot

You also have no crit mitigation

[nimble timber]

something in the way runic invocation works gets me bursts of ~2500 ward, i cant say i understand it completely but it does bring it up a good bit

[proven haven]

Also, your Runic Invo setup is backwards, you have Fire Cold Cold, you need Cold Fire Cold

you can fix the order then change keybinds if you really want them on those keys

[nimble timber]

thanks Frozen, i'll work on that. dont the better blessings come from empowered monos? or are the base ones ok as well. also, isnt this cold/fire/cold or what am i missing

[proven haven]

yea thats what you want

planners shows frost wall as first, my mistake, thought was looking at you r skill bar

at 82 you should be in empowered

also this isn't super ideal, take 2 points out of the top 3/4 one for now, and another out of the 5/5 one and get quad cast 0/1 in the middle

youll get more dps but more importantly more casts / hits

also you really need 4 points in that top right node, its very important

drop basically anything else

and get 4% crit on gloves

[umbral perch]

The invocation you're using:

Casts a shield of mystic frost which grants you a large burst of ward immediately and a smaller amount of ward every 0.4 seconds.
Initial ward granted: 100 + 3 per intelligence.

So yeah that makes more sense, INT stacking gives you ward

[proven haven]

Twisted Heart will solve your ward issue, drops from Reign of Dragons boss

anyway gotta run, cheers

[nimble timber]

i can do that. for the rest, is there a "best place" to get the things you mentioned or just cruise through the base monos for blessings that are helpful and some idols?

ive literally dropped 1 enigma and 2 blood mage gloves in my entire run 🙁 including all my ascendance runes

[proven haven]

INT stack is the most important for sure

gives int, ward retention, cast speed (ladle), flat damage, cooldown, etc.

% damage, spell crit

[umbral perch]

The campaign is the only way to unlock your remaining idol slots. Otherwise, stay in empowered monos if at all possible. Dungeons and arena are not worth doing unless you need an item that only comes from one of those places. Don't neglect rift beasts or the weaver faction as you farm, those are both strong, but yeah, just do whatever timeline gives you items or blessings that you need. You may want to imprint the nesting grove echo, it shows up unusually often when imprinted, if you need any primordial items.

[nimble timber]

will do! thank you, im working through reign of dragons now to try and get a twisted heart and a res blessing to start

[strange needle]

@proven haven yo frozen do you know if flamerush mana node that gets more damage per 40 mana current can apply to runic invocation so it would affect brand deception damage?

[radiant vessel]

no

[robust junco]

@nimble shoal did you see the new tested spellblade passive?

I feel like Bane of Winter Frostclaw will go brrr

[nimble shoal]

Yes! That is one build I might redo this season. It should be pretty solid, was fun in 1.1 too

[robust junco]

180% Flat Melee as Flat Spell

Sound pretty dope

[dry skiff]

@prisma pike, @proven haven damn that last 1% 😂

[proven haven]

Wasn't it 140? Or were there two

Oh and the bane itself right

[robust junco]

Yup
100 FC + 40 Spellblade + 40 bane

[proven haven]

holyyy

[prisma pike]

Haha I am wearing one with same stats. I have yet to see a 66/38.
Be the first AND grats!

[rapid hinge]

this should be pretty giga with FC right

oh it's only 80% added

i thought it was 180 + 100 from FC tree

[proven haven]

FC needs a lot of help tbh, the closest I got was mourningfrost with dex and ladle

Thats already 300+ flat * 1.5

No real damage scaling. No multis.

[rapid hinge]

yeah i was excited for a second thinking maybe FC can finally do some damage of its own

[dry skiff]

Thanks, congrats to you too!

[radiant vessel]

Yeah if fc had proper more multi nodes it would actually pop off pretty hard

[nimble shoal]

FC will still deal decent damage, but also you're proccing it with SS which does good damage on its own, and procing the newly buffed VW bolts which should be okay damage as well

Going from 40% to 80% on VW bolts is significant, too

And I still need to get around to testing SS icicles

[robust junco]

Shame we cant get TR chance on non Sentinel

[radiant vessel]

Question is will be more damage than pure melee shatter strike. Because if not what's the point right

[robust junco]

Flavor and fun ?

[robust junco]

I was thinking Jasper could be fun too

[proven haven]

This is my issue. I enjoy wacky builds but I dislike builds that are just a worse version of a similar build for the sake of being wacky.

I want the wacky builds to stand on their own merit, but rarely does adding another damaging skill to a build add more than it costs

[radiant vessel]

Yep

[rapid hinge]

using the same skill, pressing the same button and doing less damage is not "flavor"

[harsh abyss]

My Jasper bleed beastmaster is ready to roll, I'm just waiting to play until the new season.

But jasper might be really good in general this season.

[strange needle]

Maybe i am wrong but I feel like all the multi that are below 10% should get a bump up to at least 10% like i dont feel excited about putting 3 points and getting a whopping 12% more damage,like would be absolutely amazing to play a frostclaw build using all this added damage but it has so little multi that its hard to see how it would do damage ,ice barrage gives a 60% thats good

[harsh abyss]

Frost Claw has a similar problem to meteor where instead of having More multipliers, it has methods of getting additional hits. If specc'd andpositioned properly, FC can hit like 25 times or something. That means if you were to give it any reasonable More multipliers, they'd each be 25x as effective.

So changing 12% (300%) to 30% (750%) would 2.5x the damage of the skill under the right circumstances.

So so much of the scaling is locked behind those "additional hits" nodes that they can't really buff other parts of the skill without breaking it entirely.

[strange needle]

Yeah i played the build in 1.1 we are at a point where all the skills need condensate points and more damage to make it worthwhile playing

That being said the brand of deception builds should pop of this season even more

[nimble shoal]

It would be surprising if it gets higher single target, but more area coverage for smoother clear, and no reliance on nib, both positives that make the build more enjoyable for me. But ultimately, for the memes.

[radiant vessel]

Nib ramp is fire tho

[nimble shoal]

No, it's cold

[nimble shoal]

Yeah definitely, though unfortunately the stacking flat won't count for the new SB passive since it's only flat on your weapon

[nimble shoal]

True. Heck, even VK can hardly get any of the flavor that counts for VW bolts 😔

[robust junco]

Oo really?!?!

[gritty pagoda]

maybe there will be a new item or something for mage

I could see a corruption that converts something else to time rot

[radiant vessel]

I don't see why it wouldn't count, it's a buff that grants flat fire to your character

[nimble shoal]

The passive is specifically for stats on your weapon, but the stacking flat comes from the buff

[radiant vessel]

Oh yeah you're right

I forgot what it said ngl

[nimble shoal]

It will work for FC's effect, just not the new passive

[robust junco]

Bane of Winter it is then

Bane of Winter Cold Fire Aura OoOoO

A shame to go Cold Res stacking when you cant take cold dmg though ^^

[nimble shoal]

Also tough when stacking mourningfrost 🥲

[gritty pagoda]

go go gadget T8 cold res on your body armor

surely thats enough

[radiant vessel]

Just don't convert it and go cold damage anyway while stacking fire res

[robust junco]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[radiant vessel]

the only thing you'd lose out on would be the base damage inc damage wise

as well as adaptive

[robust junco]

But then Bane of Winter doesnt work

[radiant vessel]

Convert it to cold and go fire damage

but yeah then mourningfrost wont work

Imo mourningfrost wins out here tbh, you're not getting like 400 flat to equal it with bane

bane is easier to gear though

You just don't convert it and go cold damage and stack both int as well as dex and have as much of your inc be elemental as possible

Both int and dex would give it 1 flat (int being better since it also gives 4% inc) and then you just scale both with ele damage

(you can do better than this I just slapped it together rq)

Eh actually maybe just skip mourningfrost here tbh lul, it puts too much LP preassure on the uniques

I think you'd rather just go more fire res maybe

70-100 or so flat is nice tho

You can get it to around 1000% inc elemental (I didn't do passives) and around 350-400 flat

with like 700+ fire res which is 1:1 more damage

Napkin math is around 60k dps per stack

so 1 million dps per 17 stacks or so

You could for sure do better I think

[nimble shoal]

I do think fire aura has potential, but so far I am not looking too much into it until we know how we'll be able to get stacks

If it's still an annoying method, I might not even bother with it and instead focus on orbiting VOs

[harsh abyss]

Definitely not doing too much theorycrafing until we get all the patch details

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, especially on stuff we know will change a lot (VO included)

At least bane of winter seems pretty predictable as far as changes go

I do think bane of winter SS will be a fun one

[harsh abyss]

We gotta know how Fragment and Ladle are getting nerfed 😝

[proven haven]

I think if you dont care about Uber Fire Aura is probably fairly safe

worst case scenario you can pivot early on from int stack to something adjacent

even just some passive stacks and AoE + new scaling should be more than enough to clear trash

[harsh abyss]

I mean... if you don't care about uber, Fire Aura is already fine until reasonably high corruption

[robust junco]

Is it? Because last I played it wasn't fine at 300c

[tribal veldt]

I'm pretty confident that Fire Aura will be able to punch at decent corruption numbers with the new scaling vectors

I was at 500c with not that great gear, pretty fine

[robust junco]

As Spellblade with Firebrand / Surge

[tribal veldt]

oh yeah different setup, I was on the runemaster manastacking kit

[robust junco]

Yup, I know you Torgor, son of squirrel

[tribal veldt]

point is, signs are currently favorable 😆

gonna need to get used to stacking fire resistance on top of all the rest now

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, I mean it was okay on 100c-ish. Mobs at 300-500c don't have a massively excessive amount more health, but fire aura is getting potentially upwards of 10x damage and generation is getting buffed in some manner (I assume it'll follow suit with all other teased changes, something like 1s CD -> 3/s limit). It really should be good next season

[tribal veldt]

the random sources of fire aura gen are very much a wait and see yea, it'll take a lot to make them worth picking

but anything's a good thing at this point

[nimble shoal]

Main thing for me is using surge as the primary aura source doesn't feel nice. That RM path looks promising even moreso next season

[tribal veldt]

the surge fire aura non-synergy is the most unintuitive and awful thing in the game IMO

you have to path through a more damage node to get to a subskill. That means the subskill gets that damage right? WRONG

womp womp

[tribal veldt]

part of me hopes there'll be a new premier way to stack fire aura, because glyph of dominion spam is... I guess clunky is the word

[harsh abyss]

I wish you could get attack speed to the point where the "20% chance on hit to fire aura" was actually valuable

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, I mean the surge way is real clunky, too. I hate that you have to hit enemies to get stacks, and then they barely last long enough to maybe reach one pack

[harsh abyss]

Maybe we'll get a threshold or something that is Aura duration

[tribal veldt]

that'd be real nice

[nimble shoal]

If the on crit proc gets buffed, we got some spicy tech with VO orbiting

Since SB gets flat crit from int stacking, we'd just kinda naturally get crits for funzies

[harsh abyss]

I just want Battlemage's Endeavour to be good. A perfectly rolled one is 91 flat damage (43 from new SB passive, 48 from spell damage on the item)

[nimble shoal]

Not too bad, though there is still the issue that it's split typed

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[nimble shoal]

The update to alluvion could be similarly interesting

[harsh abyss]

I dunno, 1s cooldown is still too long unless something does insane damage

[tribal veldt]

yea that thing does pretty decent damage now, at least early on

is it still a "rare" drop, then not so much

[nimble shoal]

Ye, tidal wave will still probably be meh

[harsh abyss]

BE also has super low LPL so getting a 2-3 LP version of it is pretty easy

[nimble shoal]

I guess firestarter will still be best for fire fire aura, too

[harsh abyss]

Wow we need more unique 2H maces, there are only 6 of them

[tribal veldt]

one of them is my fave unique so it's fine :P

bias in action

[harsh abyss]

Event Horizon enjoyer?

[tribal veldt]

nooo storm breaker after the rework

[harsh abyss]

I've considered a stormbreaker tempest strike or werebear build

[short spoke]

what we need is actual uniques for sorcerer for black hole/meteor just about every good item is for runemaster/spellblade

[harsh abyss]

Okay, so what we need is a Black Hole mace where the head of it is a captured black hole. And when you crit with a melee attack it either summons a black hole OR teleports an active black hole to the creature you crit (if one is already active)

And maybe has some interaction where black hole gets more damage or penetration based on your crit chance

[proven haven]

or it grows as it kills enemies, single target already not bad, kinda sucks for AoE though

[harsh abyss]

That should be a node called "consuming vortex" or something on the tree

Also, we should have some way to convert black hole to void, void stuff has a lot of black hole imagery to it currently, that conversion would make a lot of sense

[nimble shoal]

Very real. The Shade also uses void meteors, maybe someday we'll get more items with conversions like the rat city spear

Which I am totally not thinking about running with the orbiting VO rings and the void damage per fire aura armor

[harsh abyss]

Theres also the big void slams that aberroth uses that look like black holes.

[proven haven]

You can already kinda do b-hole with the void gloves

200 void flat + 200 void pen

its not terrible but void DoT kinda eh, doesn't get ele dot affixes

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but you don't convert it to void hole, which would look badass

And also mix scaling is doodoo

[proven haven]

you wouldn't mix you just go full void

[harsh abyss]

And just give up the base scaling? Works I suppose, I juat hate doing it.

[weary hornet]

Black hole is more useful as a root or massive AOE blind

Works great with my meteor mage since it also summons meteors

[harsh abyss]

except it doesn't do multimeteor any more

[proven haven]

b-hole is fun, hope they buff it 🙂

I've given up on Meteor

[harsh abyss]

I think they said they were buffing it already? Wasn't it one of the very first teasers?

[elfin rapids]

Mike said that, but i'm not sure he said this would get into season 4 or only in the future.

[proven haven]

Well we can prayge

[harsh abyss]

I thought they showed off a couple nodes where they talked about making it easier to have permanent uptime?

[proven haven]

where was that, I don't remember seeing this

I'll be honest, I struggle to find information in the forums, I don't find it obvious where to look at all

[strange needle]

Only thing so far that is clear is that black hole is getting bugfixed now will it work who knows

With the ton of more damage it has it should be an insane ignite build no?

[harsh abyss]

I'll see if I can find it

[proven haven]

Eterra Monthly: Jan 2026 - https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eterra-monthly-jan-edition-2026/80376
Eterra Monthly: Feb 2026 - https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eterra-monthly-feb-edition-2026/80490
Season 4 Teasers Dev Blog - https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/you-ask-we-deliver-here-are-season-4-teasers/79956

Don't see anything in any of those

[proven haven]

The potential is there, the numbers can be impressive, the biggest issue with b-hole is mechanically it is kinda bad

It costs a lot to get decent juice out of it

[strange needle]

I never played it just looking at the numbers feels like it could pop off but maybe its a bossing build instead of a mapping one like some are

[proven haven]

I am mapping some numbers around it to see though, in case there is something interesting

[strange needle]

For sure doesn't help that a lot of text written in nodes is false or doesn't do anything it says on it like the binary node

[proven haven]

its really hard to math ailment builds properly

[strange needle]

Anyway mage going to be really interesting next patch for sure

[proven haven]

Yea it could be. Some big wildcards around the attribute stack changes

[nimble shoal]

Only thing I've seen personally is BH is getting its conditional more multis applied to its ailments now, but ofc I miss a lot of stuff too since it's kinda spread out randomly

[nimble shoal]

tbf, it does do one thing it says on it, the 100% more damage line

and it looks pretty

[next frost]

The one game I'm expecting things to be bugged more often than working as intended
I wish I was joking...

[strange needle]

I know bugged epoch

Its the worst part about this game

They rework lich and basically its passive tree its bugged for 7 months🤣 sad cause missing dps and basically low life builds cant be played

[next frost]

I have stuff reported 5 years ago that got fixed very recently, so hang in tight 🤐
Someone else even re-reported that one 2 years ago, and it wasnt enough
I guess it somehow got visibility since I quit season 3
But ya, most of the new stuff they release is heavily bugged, it's beyond pathetic at this point. Like, there's no way they are doing QA with how basic the bugged stuff is

[weary hornet]

What are you talking about? It absolutely do. I summon at a time

Perhaps, I misunderstand. I always summon in pairs.

[harsh abyss]

Multi-meteor is only for direct casts. It will drop 1 meteor per second, NOT "cast" meteor each second (dropping 6 meteors)

They changed that a little while back

[weary hornet]

Ohhhhh

Sorry, had my brain stuck on black hole

You are correct. My bad!

[harsh abyss]

No worries 😝 Triggered meteor casts used to be way better

[weary hornet]

The mana cost must have been insane. Even now, I can dump 1800 mana in like 2 seconds when the procs hit soooo sweet.

[proven haven]

yea that was confirmed on reddit, it's 7 points though in an already stretched tree

[versed hawk]

Is there really no way to move while channeling disintegrate?

No uniques or anything that allow you to do that?

[proven haven]

Nope. Even if the skill could do S tier damage it would still be F tier mechanically

Its a shame because you could do enough damage for a couple minutes Uber kill but mechanically its so awful

[radiant vessel]

Unless it also changed it to either be wider or all around you it'd be kinda worthless lol

[proven haven]

That ain't even the problem, imagine how shit focus autobomber would be if you were stationary, and unlike disintegrate focus actually has solid defenses

In an Uber fight you do the math on paper and its like okay, I kill it in 2 or 3 mins with the beam, great

But you need to reposition constantly and lose stacks each time

Or you get some defense and then its a 10+ minute kill that still isnt that tanky anyway

[halcyon sun]

I've seen channelled-beam-attacks work in at least two different ARPGs, there's lots of different solutions that can make it viable IMO

I'd like to see channelling disintegrate for ~1 second reset your traversal skill cooldown or something, and not punish you for repositioning

[proven haven]

Yea I could live with that. Or traversal refreshes lucomancer

You'd need a fat beam for it to be remotely decent though. Compare to LB, you click pack and pack pops from spark charge

And LB is stationary for like 0.2s vs at least 3x that for beam

[half pollen]

They could just tune up the damage until its worth all the downsides, its not rocket science imo

[halcyon sun]

making something fun to play is more important than making it deal a bajillion damage, at least for me

[half pollen]

Being a big laser is already fun enough for me

[proven haven]

The issue isnt damage though. You could give it literally infinite damage and it would still be bad to clear with.

At a certain absurd level of added damage eventually you would just swap it in to insta kill bosses then spec it back out for clearing lmao

Basically old Static Orb

[half pollen]

I would be fine with „bad“ for the time being though. No need for it to be too op. But being able to kill a boss with it would be nice

I would prefer a better overhaul too, but I dont believe that we will get one

[proven haven]

Yeah I'm just saying for it to do enough damage to kill bosses it would probably be to the point of just going phase to phase and ignoring mechanics. Just isn't much point tbh. You can already get a couple million Uber DPS if you really juice it, that's not terrible damage already, problem is bad uptime on that DPS

[half pollen]

I wonder if just slapping a movement node in the skilltree would fix most of the issues. Just slide around like with the focus amulet

[strange needle]

Bring back static orb glory days 🥲

[versed hare]

static orb can do 1k corruption when it circles you and spark charges

[spark vector]

Spark Charges need to change, idk how though. Feels like every Mage basically hinges on Spark Charges as a mechanic.

[radiant vessel]

Unless they're making it deal high 8 to 9 digit dps it'll never be worth it tbh

[proven haven]

single target isn't great though, probably better result by just going vilatria ladle with a bit of mana tbh

[versed hare]

yes, soingle target isnt that good, you'd need lightning blast as single target in addition to Static orb

but its a fun build none the less

[versed hawk]

That is tragic. I always wondered why I never saw disintegrate builds. Never been a big channeled skill guy but I looked at the skill tree for the first time last night and it has a lot of cool stuff.

[strange needle]

That aint it bring back the stacking mana build that felt the best and popped bosses

[weary hornet]

How does the math work for mana guide's 20% hit to "normal" movement assuming I have a crab ring (swiftness) and SW (haste)? Doesn't seem to add up in my head with different combos. Feels like it's taking more than it should

[harsh abyss]

Probably because it's not 20% REDUCED, it's 20% LESS

Improvements to move speed are additive, so say 20% from Swiftness and 30% from Haste and 30% from boots puts you at 180% total move speed.

20% LESS move speed from Mana Guide is taking you down to 144% move speed, a 36% reduction

[nimble shoal]

And if you're looking at your char sheet, that shows increased move speed only, but more/less modifiers multiply your total move speed modifier and then 100% is subtracted from that final value to display on your char sheet

[proven haven]

exactly. even if you have 0% char sheet movement speed you lose speed from penalties

[pale cedar]

Anyone have thoughts if the 40% melee damage to spell damage for spell blade is actually going to move the needle? Im really excited to try out flame reave but i have been disappointed by flame reave before.... pretty much every season ive played

[proven haven]

40% won't be enough to turn a D tier build into an S tier one alone but maybe with other changes it could do something. Flame Reave seems to double dip with that + the spell -> melee node though so maybe.

[pale cedar]

yeah the double dip was what i was hoping for to help. That in combination with jaspers searing pride averaging 40-50 stacks would give an insane amount of base. I would have loved for an autocast build to work but without any other cool effects being added, I can only think of the super old autocast mana strike frost claw lightning blast build netting any real benefit. Im not sure shattered strike icicles would be really milk the spell damage enough for it to be worth it. Frost claw does also have the add melee damage to spell damage node but im not sure if you can scale that to be a main source of damage.

[proven haven]

I am almost certain it won't work with jaspers, it is not "on weapon"

You can scale Frost Claw damage, the problem is indirect cast doesn't get the bounces and the tree lacks multis, so at most you are getting like 500% effectiveness * 1.3 or something per cast

Mourningfrost FC seems better since you get 2 flat per dex

[pale cedar]

.... thank you for telling me this but also thats depressing. Yeah i did look at mourning frost as well, i actually ran it on my zhp SS spellblade in season 2 (I skipped s3). I was thinking of trying fc with bane of winter so that you only had to accommodate the reduction in phys vs phys AND cold but the bolts just... spellblades cant get time rot at all. I feel like any void item is so absurdly unusable by any mage class

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the "on weapon" breaks a lot of potential interactions

[steel steppe]

I put together Spirit Xylem Attunement Stacking Runemaster. The build is heavily inspired by FrozenSentinel's builds and Infinite Surge build from Bigdaddy. The gear is still very suboptimal, and I'm using 1LP Xylem, but it's already very fast and smooth at 1k corruption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cboXxVVN_dc

And playing it feels really good

[astral moth]

Seems like xylem buff is gonna be good in s4

[robust junco]

What RI are you using?

Looks like Gon Rah Gon

But Rune Gale isn't a dot

Oh, it's a brand of deception build!!

[strange needle]

Yes its like t pose mage but more mobility

[tribal veldt]

spirit xylem does indeed seem really really good now

I might just start that instead of improvising along with volcanic orb, keep mage for a 2nd character, and do progression on shaman or paladin

[steel steppe]

Yes, it’s Gon Rah Gon. Damage potential should be similar to that of any other brand of deception build, mapping a little faster, but with little less defenses. Tho, buffs to xylem will definitely help. I’m also curious about new attribute conversions. Depending on what attunement converts to and what bonuses are, it might be an interesting alternative

[robust junco]

I don't know any other brand of deception build

[harsh abyss]

The strength+int stacking brand of deception vilatria helm was pretty big for a bit.

[proven haven]

Str and dex RI both had solid Brand of D varients. Str the giga tank and dex with big damage BBC

[proven haven]

Looks really cool, thanks for sharing. What is the reasoning behind the staff here? The attunement, multi on staff, and staff for fundamental?

Also how do you solve single target in this setup

[robust junco]

Oh! I didn't know
Very interesting

Is the lightning brand the only one that has been successful?

[harsh abyss]

Brand of Deception is the only one with crazy scaling, I think. The ignite one gets 1% damage per ignite chance, and the cold one gets 2% damage per chill chance

Compared to 6% damage per shock chance

[robust junco]

Lol

6%

And it's not tied to a skill tree with abysmal More Dmg

Looking at you Flame Rush and Frost Wall

[harsh abyss]

yeah exactly

So you can use a skill with good More multis to apply it and it inherits them

[proven haven]

Yea that was the whole basis of my 1.2 str tpose mage build with cleaver solution. Stack str, get Armour, convert Armour to ward, convert str to int, int to flat Armour with focus, str to damage fundamental and int to shock chance vilatria helm, shock to brand damage, etc.

So many layers of converts and scaling bonuses

[steel steppe]

All the above, attunement, multi on staff, staff for fundamental. And also 'elemental damage over time' affix which is available only on wands and staves.... and of course the fact that the xylem itself will be buffed and lpl for it lowered which will make it possible for me to slam 3t7 on it (I play on legacy). I should reach about 700% shock chance with this setup (character in the video has only 400%)

also, stacking flat mana from Xylem synergizes greatly with "Scrivener's Haste" node of Runic Invocation

[steel steppe]

I don't have a solution as good as Covenant Arc for this build

I'm planning to use it mostly for running troves fast at 1.5-2k corruption and farming 😉

[proven haven]

Always forget about that part of the node, yeah thats pretty nice

I think dex stack would clear high corruption faster, though your setup is probably tankier

Str probably tankier and slower but higher single target potential than att, less than dex

Slower at high corruption anyway, 1kc and below they should all just melt everything anyway

[strange needle]

Strength t pose can do 12 million per tick of bran deception,but personally the damage is higher i would love that the slamming in this game would be good to try about it without having the need for perfect luck

Missing 55 %pen on chest missing 210% lightning on weapon,missing 15 %pen on amulet,missing 220% something ele dot increase on relic ,with some good luck maybe a t5 pen on helmet so like idk 20 %something

So what you think that amount is think easily 15 mill dps or more

[proven haven]

Dunno, I have a calculator though that so far has been pretty accurate, you can just do the math

Its in my spreadsheets

Build a planner, plug the numbers

[harsh abyss]

Listen some of us make builds off of vibes.

[nimble shoal]

3-axis vibes, preferrably

[strange needle]

No spreadsheet here just feeling

[proven haven]

spreadsheet is my vibe

[weary hornet]

I may need to build a calculator for frostbite builds considering snowdrift, penetration, application, duration, damage, etc. I'm not always certain what should be prioritized.

[proven haven]

DoT calcs a pain to make

I made this for ignite calc to optimize the pop and julra timing

calculate all the ticks and remaining damage over time

[strange needle]

Can't see anything 🤣,I ll let you cook the dot bh build or volcanic orb

[halcyon sun]

"what is this, a spreadsheet for ants?"

[proven haven]

its a timeline, ignites applied on the left, expiring on the right

and down, per time

with overlapping skill cooldowns and durations

so you can graph remaining damage over time

and then model the optimal time to use julra ring for highest spike damage with pop

🪄

[robust junco]

So like 9 sec of ramp before pop ?

[proven haven]

in this case, yes

with 7s ignite and overlapping skill duration / cooldown starting at 5s

[weary hornet]

Nice. Will probably write it in powershell instead.

[proven haven]

I've done scripts with sheets before, works pretty well, not super great for sharing though because then people need to unblock the script and all the security warnings and stuff

most people also won't know how to run something from terminal or whatever

[weary hornet]

That's exactly what someone who shares would say!

[steel steppe]

@proven haven love your skill tier list video. You mentioned in it adding „movement” tag to runic invocation. If I spec into this node, will I get „40% more damage” from Vaion’s Chariot boots for my invocations?

[proven haven]

yep, applies to Brand too

if you direct cast anyway, I don't think it would work with trigger since flame rush will steal the proc

[steel steppe]

Unless you channel flame rush for 3+ seconds 😉 but true, that would be very unreliable 😅

[tepid barn]

@proven haven have you tried static orb mana stacking with Vilatria setup it's still very op can bring down uber around 50 secs and then uses FC for map clearing

[prisma pike]

What!!!!???? My dear Flame Rush not S tier!!!! 😅

[proven haven]

I did try this actually I forget if it was 1.2 or 1.3 though, might have been before legend's

did not get a below 1 min uber

[tepid barn]

Test it again with double t7 it should be under a min easily I just watched you r vid that you were saying static orb got nerfed but it's actually still very op

[proven haven]

Sorry I meant it got nerfed going into 1.2, I tested it post nerf and found it still good after those nerfs too. In testing had around 1.5 min uber but I think that was a 1.2 test before legends with staff + helm

I agree its worth another look though since it doesnt rely on spark charge its slightly more nerf proof than LB

Oh actually I also tested cold SO LOL, with throne and IB, weird stuff

Oh and gate staff + reforged set in 1.2

[weary hornet]

I officially love black hole even in its current state. I have been playing a variant to my lightning meteor mana guided sorcerer and swapped out static for black hole.

This morning, I ran about a dozen barnacle vaults at high corruption. Even when not focused, I noticed black hole and it's collapsing node would trigger hits halfway across the map.

So not only does it root, it will blind a huge area and those hits will trigger additional meteors.

Anyway, so many dead lizards with such little effort I love it

[harsh abyss]

Collapse is definitely crazy AOE I've always wanted to do something with it

[proven haven]

👀

isn't recurrence a nerf? Current:

[austere jackal]

you making a build?

or what black hole skill is this not op

[nimble shoal]

In a vacuum, yeah definitely. Notably, they changed the CDRS to actual CDR, and I suspect that's for two reasons; to make it clear that it's multiplicative with CDRS and to make it clear that it is additive with other CDR nodes on the tree (which would be new nodes).

So, maybe the best play for black hole will no longer be to always disable its unique pull mechanic, and if so that could be great.

[proven haven]

Yea I did the math and was confused initially with the current setup, ended up realizing it was the weird thing

= Base Cooldown / ( 1 + Character CDR / 100 ) / ( 1 + B-hole CDR / 100 )

not intuitive

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, tornado has the same setup, surprise multiplicative CDRS lol

[proven haven]

So new change is;
= Base Cooldown / ( 1 + Character CDR / 100 ) / ( 1 + 15 / 100 ) for 1 point
instead of
= Base Cooldown / ( 1 + Character CDR / 100 ) / ( 1 + 120 / 100 ) for 4 points

[cosmic dove]

is the full black hole tree teased somewhere?

[nimble shoal]

No, new change is
= Base Cooldown / ( 1 + CDRS ) * ( 1 - 0.15 )
since it's CDR now

[dapper flare]

think the reduction happens before CDRS too

[nimble shoal]

Which is still worse overall, but the assumption is that there will be new nodes after that one with more CDR or other CDR nodes elsewhere added

[nimble shoal]

Order doesn't matter since it's all multiplication

[dapper flare]

it's like the flat reduction nodes, but just % in this case

true true

[proven haven]

ah yeah right

wait what I said is the same, no?

/ ( 1 + 15 / 100 ) -> / 1.15

[nimble shoal]

You had it the same as CDRS

[proven haven]

oh

[nimble shoal]

it should end up * 0.85

[proven haven]

oh yeah right right

[nimble shoal]

If they add some more nodes with CDR, it could quickly go down to a similar or less total cooldown duration, and iirc they made it sound like we'll be able to have a lot more uptime on it

like at or near 100% uptime

[proven haven]

you already can get way more than 100% uptime

almost 200% even

[nimble shoal]

You can tell I haven't used black hole in a while

[proven haven]

my test was ~4.1s CD with ~9.35 duration

a bit of overlap lost due to cast time

[nimble shoal]

That's pretty solid, I hope it also gets some point efficiency gains like VO is getting, too. Currently feels like throwing skill points into a black hole

[proven haven]

you want like

32 points or whatever

its insane yea

I just hope they dont accidentally kill the good things it can do

when trying to make it "good"

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, I hope so too, black hole deserves some time to shine

[next frost]

<insert black hole shining pun>

[proven haven]

No colours anymore, I want them to turn black 🎵

[austere jackal]

black hole mage build?

S tier?

[weary hornet]

Borman, not sure how to quantify the tiering with my build since I have high end gear. Uber, definitely not s tier. Haven't tried beating him with black hole, but can do so with static.

Black hole makes high corruption nemesis and champions colosseum easier than without, however, because of the root. So that's nice.

[proven haven]

Just need a few more b-hole changes like the ones we saw today with +1 charge and maybe it'll be spicy skill 😮

[weary hornet]

Memes get more recognition. Would hate for it to be passe like wp has become.

[plain garnet]

Stupid Essence Weaver Spellblade idea:

Get Essence Weaver with high-roll T7 chance to apply shred armor on hit (640%)
Multiply that affix by 1.5 with new 2-piece weaver set (960%)
Convert 100% of armor shred chance to frostbite chance with 7/10 Freezing Point from Runemaster tree
Poke enemy with stick many times to generate stacks of Elemental Essence
Proc some amount of Frost Claw casts with the spear on consuming Elemental Essence, average is 3
Casts that consume Elemental Essence triple stats on the weapon, frostbite chance is now 960% x 3 = 2880%
3 Frost Claws from the proc cause 15 hits, assuming no other gear or skills with frostbite chance that's 15 x 28.8 = 432 frostbite stacks
Can do this every 3 sec

[proven haven]

this is similar to the Harmony of the First tech getting giga stacks, except also a lot of attack speed and procs from SB tree. Problem is even if you get 1000+ stacks it's still not doing much damage, unless we get a new tech

I tried that :/

definitely could do abby with it, but FC doesn't have multis to pass to ailments

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMBYCYHYg with a massive T7 shred + T7 attack speed

[plain garnet]

Dang. I was figuring you could get by with the small multis available, especially if you can also pick up an Essence Weaver with a highroll damage over time or cold damage roll, which would also get multiplied by 4.5x

Which is some 1700% increased damage just from the spear and set bonus

FC does have 20% more damage and 25% ailment duration, but I guess that's not enough to make it viable even with giga stacks

[proven haven]

how do you figure its 3 frost claws every 3 seconds?

oh "per essence consumed"

I misread that

[plain garnet]

spear casts 9 spells at random every 3 sec assuming you have enough attacks/sec to generate charge, and those spells are randomly chosen from smite/fc/bolt

On average it'd be 3 fc per charge dump, or 1/sec

[proven haven]

yep right, makes sense

plus from SB tree, and FC tree

[plain garnet]

Yeah, if you average 3 aps you're getting another 1.5 FC/sec on average, though that one isn't boosted by 3x, only 1.5x

[proven haven]

yea I like the idea, it's just really hard to make it scale damage

with harmony you get way more attack speed, and more shred

and now at 40 LPL probably also cold pen or something

and it still is zdps

[plain garnet]

Fair enough. Cold pen for frostbite is actually reasonably easy to get on Mage; T7 roll on helm is 80% by itself

[proven haven]

yea or you just use the boots

[plain garnet]

Snowdrift?

[proven haven]

yep

[plain garnet]

I'll mess with it a bit. I'm sure it's still impossible to squeeze decent dps out of it unless you go full zhp, but I like wacky builds.

[proven haven]

I think 2T7 exalted + corrupt is still magic for Harmony

could be interesting

[plain garnet]

Another related stupid plan is ignite stacking. You get way less stacks this way, but all of the weird shit you cast from the essence weaver procs plus the other procs can ignite, not just FC. Could then pop all of the ignite stacks with Enchant Weapon that has 4/4 Searing Conflagration for 3x total ignite damage

[proven haven]

yea I think ignite stack has potential, I don't think FC applies enough stacks or does enough damage though personally, at least with how tanky stuff is now

back in 1.1 it worked

Maybe Volcanic Orb

Spellblade is a pretty huge wildcard, a lot of the triggers are just too weak on indirect cast

it needs some sort of indirect cast multi specific to spellblade to really play into the archtype

[plain garnet]

We'll see what patch notes bring.

I think there might also be potential for someone to make a very strong proc-based build with the new spellweaver passive; 40% of added melee damage gained as added spell damage could enable something very interesting.

[proven haven]

added melee on weapon

[plain garnet]

Right, an important clarification

[proven haven]

so no mourningfrost or whatever

no jaspers

[plain garnet]

Would jaspers not work?

[proven haven]

no, it's not on the weapon

its giving you a buff

[plain garnet]

What strange and very specific wording

[proven haven]

yep, I am kinda skeptical

its not nothing for sure

[plain garnet]

Could be some kind of weird meme flame reave build? it just straight up gets 1 melee damage per added spell damage

[proven haven]

flame reave seems to double dip on it

so maybe

40% isn't enough alone to turn a mid build into S-tier though

still need to wait to see

[plain garnet]

Yeah. I'm hoping some of the other passives in the spellblade tree or related skill trees get some love.

As it stands, I think Spellblade is significantly weaker than Runemaster and Sorcerer

[weary hornet]

The nodes suck.

Like, right now, the only thing to the right of my spellblade tree is dual wield.

There is just so much more useful shit in the first half of sorc / rm trees.

Playing frosty orb.

[proven haven]

Spellblade gets free crit cap, which all mage does anyway if int stack 200+ basically

[versed hawk]

Does Surge count as a traversal skill? LETools says it has the tag but I thought in game it only had the movement tag

[halcyon sun]

it's definitely traversal, it works with the belt mod that reduces traversal cooldowns on potion use

IIRC someone made an entire build around that

[versed hawk]

That's exactly what I was wondering about. How much damage can you crank out of it if you stack a bazillion potions and just zoom around the map

Jungle Queen's synergizes perfectly with that, and has dexterity on it for good measure

[proven haven]

Single target kinda sucks from what I've seen. You could probably get it high enough to clear trash though.

I dont actually think its faster than just 1 tapping packs with LB and occasionally using an instant long range traversal between packs

Also the potion mini game will slow you down

[half pollen]

Runemaster gets that too though when stacking dex since its on the left of spellblades tree. SBs cant have anything for themselves

[proven haven]

Not that node, the flat crit per int

The dex node sucks for the majority of mage builds

And pathing 20 SB nodes to get it is not worth

Flat crit per int is the whole reason disintegrate rolls SB, to get like 500%+ crit for ignivar

[half pollen]

Its nice when you stack dex anyway for fundamental criterion. Its 800% increased crit with 100 dex and the nodes before arent perfect but not so bad compared to alternatives imo. But sure, for any build that doesnt stack dex anyway it sucks