🧙┃mage

[harsh abyss]

Oh, you get half as many chains but every chain also casts and AOE spell? Oh okay.

[stone rapids]

and the fact that subskills sometimes inherit more multipliers should be more transparent

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's what I mean

[stone rapids]

like, the alt tooltip for any subskill should tell me whether it inherits multipliers 100% of the time

[harsh abyss]

Spark Charges and Shadow Daggers are extra weird because of the "ailment that casts a skill" thing

[stone rapids]

and then there’s weird bugged (or maybe not bugged) cases where subskills inherit some multipliers from skill trees but not all

[harsh abyss]

Like, maybe when you press ALT on a node that has a subskill, it highlights all the nodes that will affect it.

[stone rapids]

and the fact that subskills don’t inherit conditional multipliers

[harsh abyss]

YEAh

[stone rapids]

this needs to happen

[harsh abyss]

It's pretty obnoxious

[stone rapids]

don’t they like inherit player conditional multipliers but not enemy conditional ones generally speaking?

like the whole system is SO obtuse and poorly explained and has so many nonsensical exceptions

and then yeah there’s the fact that even if you understand the rules there’s a not insignificant chance that there’s just a bug

[harsh abyss]

Lack of confidence in there not being bugs is probably the biggest danger to EHG as a company right now. Their releases are so buggy that people might lose faith in the game.

Brand new content, skills, and items having significant bugs is a real problem.

[somber wedge]

Would it be stronger to get the Lightning multi instead of spell crit? I am looking to do my Unstable Core LP2

[stone rapids]

i know this would be a pretty unpopular opinion but i would be completely satisfied if there was very little actual content in season 4 if it meant the game was in a better state in terms of bugs and balance

[harsh abyss]

Probably. If you've got high enough Int, spell crit is gonna be redundant and you're better off with more multi

[stone rapids]

especially if that balance extended not just to builds but also things like echoes

[stone rapids]

it also depends on if you’re using twisted heart or shattered worlds, shattered worlds kinda makes crit capping trivial tbh

[proven haven]

opportunity cost. Spell crit allows you to use either Twisted Heart or Blood Mage gloves as flat and have no other crit anywhere on the build

[stone rapids]

you swapped back to twisty?

[proven haven]

no, weaver gloves

cast speed, more damage, all attr

[stone rapids]

i see

[proven haven]

just got this for now, I'll find a better one

[stone rapids]

2lp vise would probably be good too with SW right?

[proven haven]

yea

very tanky

Also played a bit with phantom mire

swiftness is nice

has some cast speed, easy to get lp

[stone rapids]

evade feels much nicer to use now that i find it harder to be willing to give up

[proven haven]

yea exactly

I didnt like it

[stone rapids]

technically phantom mire also has a one time more multiplier in bossfights lmfao

[proven haven]

yeah

[stone rapids]

what an incredibly funny line of text

[proven haven]

also made this for my autobomber

should be fun

[somber wedge]

I want to use this as the base for my Unstable Core

[proven haven]

yea excellent base

[stone rapids]

that is a godly crafting item holy

[proven haven]

ideally you would want int as the seal

or lightning multi as the seal

but I wouldn't waste your FP trying to do that

[somber wedge]

Yeah that is why I was asking what is the best to slam onto this Unstable core lp2

Int and spell crit it is.

[stone rapids]

what are you using for ward gen? so much of the sorc ward gen is tied to mana spent

[proven haven]

Well I was also thinking that spell crit is more generically good

[somber wedge]

If it was up to you Frozen what would you go for?

[proven haven]

idk both have pros and cons, personally I think multi is better because I like the double crit setup

but spell crit has a lot more flexibility

you can swap into TH for tank

or weaver glove for dps

[proven haven]

lol not much

some from passives and stuff

and ward decay from sorc

and mana guide gives some etc

have giga DR and stuff though

[somber wedge]

This is my twisted heart right now

[harsh abyss]

Pretty much as good as you can get for 1lp

[stone rapids]

sorc ward gen is so lackluster compared to RM or even spellblade

[proven haven]

yea I was playing with RM and even the ward per different rune with 200 int was like

1200

[harsh abyss]

IMO put Lost Knowledge beyond the chain and make it max mana instead of current mana, but leave it at 30%

[stone rapids]

glacier is like the only sorc build that’s consistently getting great ward from lost knowledge currently it seems

every other high mana cost sorc is actually dumping mana

mana tank seems like a potential option but rn the opportunity cost of going mana tank is so high

i think it would be cool if sorc had more access to it through passives, gives it a more unique defensive identity

[harsh abyss]

You can do it with Static Orb too, you just have to cast Lightning Blast as well.

If you do SO -> LB -> LB -> LB -> SO -> Repeat, then you stay at max mana forever, pretty much.

[stone rapids]

grabbing those nodes is so point intensive though and it makes the build way clunkier

[harsh abyss]

oh, I totally agree

That's why I think they should move Lost Knowledge beyond the chain and buff it

make it one of the iconic Sorcerer ways to build

[stone rapids]

yeah it’s not like runemasters or spellblades are picking it up anymore anyways

[proven haven]

yea I played with this, it's a pain

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, easier to just dump all your mana and then use Focus to get it back

[stone rapids]

and it’s really been a struggle for EHG to give sorcs and runemasters genuinely distinct identities since the release of RM

on any given patch it’s pretty much been “one is the other, but worse”

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[stone rapids]

sorc does have the big mana stuff and while i think there are good payouts for it i also don’t think they’re particularly interesting payouts for the most part

also, arcane ascendance could really use a facelift tbh

[harsh abyss]

AA (without mana guide) is always going to suck as long as it locks you in place, just like channeling skills that aren't warpath

[proven haven]

is okay with Meteor mana dump

but you need opening to use it

[stone rapids]

it’s a good bossing skill and a situationally good mapping skill (for reasons that may be unintended) but it’s also just a very boring skill

[harsh abyss]

needing an opening to stand still is the reason why channeling skills suck, so I'd say my point still stands 😝

[stone rapids]

i think movement locking channeling skills can be fine, but AA is just so… nothing

[harsh abyss]

Like, my channeled LB build was GREAT for everything up to Aberroth, but it's basically impossible to do Aberroth because you never get to stand still long enough to do damage.

Never mind trying to do uberroth

[proven haven]

channel LB just sounds like worse version of mana guide lb

[stone rapids]

“i root myself to do more damage” that’s it. that’s the entire skill. how riveting.

[proven haven]

more like "i root myself to do less damage"

[harsh abyss]

I like the concept of channeled LB, it's ~8 casts per second with zero investment into cast speed

[stone rapids]

true lmfao

[harsh abyss]

But it just doesn't hold up to convergence + the multicast nodes

[stone rapids]

like, make it not root you and drain a lot more mana but make the payouts way cooler

[harsh abyss]

I just let it drain me to zero mana. You aren't going for chains anyway, so Channel + Innate Conduit = infinite LB

[stone rapids]

instead of just giving you more damage, have the skill tree modify different skills in interesting ways

[harsh abyss]

Then used teleport + RI to regain a bunch of mana to cast Glyph, then continue LB

[stone rapids]

“while in arcane ascendance, meteor has _ additional meteors”

ice barrage fires in both directions

disintegrate becomes a circle around you

[stone rapids]

RI?

idk just have it do something that’s not just “increased spell damage”

[harsh abyss]

Runic Invocation

If you teleport (next spell refunds) and RI (refunds but has a CD), both refunds happen

[stone rapids]

even the passive buffs provided by skills like symbols of hope and holy aura are a hundred times more interesting than arcane ascendance

[stone rapids]

wild

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, so the cycle was basically:

Channel LB until empty
Teleport
Cast RI
Cast Glyph and Flame Ward
Resume Channel until you have to move

And because you're channeling, you can use Telfun's Mirage boots for a ton of dodge, and Runic Fortress for a big burst of ward. And you can use the "Armor while channeling" blessing for a ton of extra armor

You end up with like 60%+ dodge, huge armor, big bursts of ward every time you channel for a couple seconds

[stone rapids]

don’t forget all res while channeling

[harsh abyss]

It's probably my favorite build in the game, tbh. Partially because I'm a hipster and no one else does it 😝

If they 'fix' the Halo Effect node so that it's just on the first hit instead of every convergence hit, it'll probably be somewhat viable again.

[stone rapids]

channeled abilities that aren’t warpath really don’t have a great track record in this game huh

[harsh abyss]

Nope

[stone rapids]

remember that one patch where gambler’s fallacy + ingvar’s head was a thing and then ehg nuked it

and it wasn’t even overpowered it was like fine

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[proven haven]

why do you think this is a bug

it says "on the first enemy hit"

according to the wording it works as intended

the first enemy hit is just hit multiple times

🧠

[stone rapids]

can’t the spark charges also apply spark nova?

[harsh abyss]

I dunno, it just feels like a bug, to me. You lose half the chains, and then can double the hits? It doesn't feel right.

[stone rapids]

that one is the one that feels unlikely to be intended to me

[proven haven]

Sorc tree spark nova yes, LB tree no

[nimble shoal]

Just because the second, third, etc. enemies hit all happen to be the same enemy doesn't mean it's supposed to work that way

[proven haven]

but it says the first enemy hit, not the first hit

[nimble shoal]

I feel like it used to not work with convergence, and it got bugged out at some point

[proven haven]

bugfixed*

[harsh abyss]

That's because it used to just not work at all 😝

[nimble shoal]

Well, that also, but before that

[proven haven]

okay but honestly though if it didn't work this way spark nova would be so terrible, it takes 8 nodes just to path there

[nimble shoal]

I think however they fixed it made it work on multi-hits

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[stone rapids]

i can see how that one might be intended

the champion belt is like

[harsh abyss]

It was good for the channeled build, but that's pretty much it yeah

[stone rapids]

yeah no way am i buying that one is intended

[harsh abyss]

The 4 chains, even with convergence?

I think all non-LB tree chains add their full amount even with convergence.

[stone rapids]

lmfao yeah

[stone rapids]

which other ones are there

[proven haven]

Glyph of domi

[harsh abyss]

+3 from Glyph, +2 from static orb

I think there's another one somewhere

[stone rapids]

i think the most likely scenario is those are all unintended

but i haven’t actually heard a dev comment on it weirdly

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, almost definitely all unintended

Mike probably doesn't know what the intention was, he would only know that if he was on the team designing that skill/node/interaction

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, they've always worked like that but who knows if it's intentional or if they've just been bugged forever.

IMO make it intentional because it's more interesting, LB needs more interesting interactions

+3 chains feels like almost enough to make a LB build want to use Glyph of Dominion tbh

[stone rapids]

yknow i know lb is probably too strong as is but i would love it if the shotgun node worked more similarly to multistrike

[proven haven]

Glyph has some really weird stuff going on

you can get a lot of negative mana with it

[stone rapids]

how much is a lot? is it theoretically infinite?

[proven haven]

tbh I don't know, it times out and I don't think you can recast it

wait

oh. maybe you can

oh... maybe

[stone rapids]

there’s some really abuse case-y stuff you can do with infinite negative mana

[proven haven]

I think there might be a tech actually

neeed to test

[stone rapids]

you can oneshot uber if you have enough negative

[proven haven]

yeah nvm I thought I could make glyph of domi free

then use it with LB node

which lets you go negative

So you can get like 1k negative, maybe more

idk how to do more than that

[stone rapids]

they’ve tried really hard to patch out all of the super deep negative mana stuff because it’s super easy to abuse and also supposedly very taxing on servers

so i wouldn’t be surprised if that one is gone

there probably is still something left you can do it with though

the primordial bow with detonating arrow can probably do it on rogue

wait how does glacier helm work while negative again

eye of storms + butcher's crown works

[proven haven]

idunno

[stone rapids]

it doesn't, i tested

but butcher's crown + eye of storms does

[proven haven]

why do you need crown?

the no regen I guess

it must be slow

at least you can go afk lol

[stone rapids]

it is slow

i'm using horns of ukhieros to speed it up and even then

[proven haven]

theres more stuff that casts mealstorm

[stone rapids]

i think all the other ones require you to be primalist

[stone rapids]

yeah even with no mana regen this would take hours to get enough negative for something like an uber oneshot

[somber wedge]

Damn might have to do an ice build!!!

[proven haven]

Also how the hell you guys getting all your Rune Prison echos

[stable holly]

I found quite a lot just running Echos specced into Mages

[hard cloak]

I've been wanting to play a Mage. I was recommended to level as a Spellblade, and it's been a blast.
I want to try out Lightning Blast Runemaster.
It doesn't really transition nicely, so when do you swap?

[balmy drum]

With Legends Entwined and Vilatria's Storm Crown, everything becomes much smoother

[stable holly]

You can level as a RM if you like, or switch later when you have an Enigma

I believe Pinchingloaf has a guide if you need one

[hard cloak]

for leveling Lightning Blast, or what?

[weary hamlet]

doesn't matter, even if it's gonna be fixed some day, that day is still probably 5-50 years away given the glacial pace of bug fixes in this game

[stable holly]

I believe so but not 100% sure, only seen it in passing though.

[weary hamlet]

might as well call it intended

[stable holly]

I typically don’t use guides myself, I just level as my intended build as best as possible regardless

I think he levels with Fireball by the looks of it

In any case his guide will take you from Zero to Hero.

You could also use FrozenSentinels or MaxRolls endgame guide if you wanted something more geared towards SC.

[balmy drum]

Down almost 100 mana 🥹

[proven haven]

Yeah I think you were playing HC, so follow the PinchingLoaf guide as he does LB in HC

I leveled with Glacier only because its something I've done before, not because I think it's the best

when I did my HC Frost Claw character I also leveled with glacier

[proven haven]

giga idol

giga deeps coming soon xd

[balmy drum]

Wow

I have one but dex + mana regen max roll

[hard cloak]

No my question is when would you swap to it 😄

[balmy drum]

Was told u

[hard cloak]

I know lol

Thanks for the help everyone ❤️

[balmy drum]

That combo set gives you a lot of flat damage, and it's extremely cheap and easy to find

[proven haven]

I think the set might be a little late if playing HC, I would say you want Twisted Heart for ward generation, perhaps ladle, and enigma. Maybe 60 or 70 int

The full zhp setup has a few defensive holes that I didn't bother to plug or prioritize

[balmy drum]

Yeah, and ferebor's ring

[proven haven]

Ah yes. Ferebor is excellent

[proven haven]

Oh fyi I also have the full zero to uber Playlist on my YT if you want to see what the transition looks like. Every moment from fresh character to uber

[hard cloak]

I'm not there yet, just entered Monoliths and was wondering when I'd be swapping, but I'll keep it in mind, thank you 🙂

[balmy drum]

@hard cloak https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwVg7AjAHCQ Legends Entwined with "Counts as a part of every equipped item set" all have very low required levels

[proven haven]

Is true, you can use both set items directly early on. It might make gearing a bit fragile though. Of course if you can kill 300c bosses in 1 second it's a lot easier to not take any hits 🤷‍♂️

You need the +4 LB on the helm though which means crafting a reforged asap

[hard cloak]

crafting a reforged
I'm unsure what this means 💀

[proven haven]

Great Bridge woven echo -> shatter vilatria set helm -> get vilatria set affix shard -> get exalted base with T7 LB -> add vilatria affix -> use legends entwined -> you now have the vilatria set while using an exalted helm

[hard cloak]

Thank you 🙂

Is there like a list where I can check which affix shards I can get by reforging which set pieces in the game?

[proven haven]

Its always the set you want gives the shard for that set. The le tools wiki says which stats the shard gives

[shut forum]

shatterstrike feels bad any ideas?

[hasty roost]

For cold skills with Frostbite nodes…how essential are those nodes for overall chance to apply Frostbite? I like FB Ice barrage…but that’s 9 skill points for the pierce followed by the FB that could be used elsewhere.

[stone rapids]

post planner

[shut forum]

?

[stone rapids]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

import>type in details>save & share > send link

[shut forum]

oh

you do it all manual or the is something from in game?

[stone rapids]

no if you hit import and type character and account name it fetches all your gear & whatnot from the game automatically

[shut forum]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5qnzxgB

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (31) / Spellblade (69) / Runemaster (11)

General:

▸ Health: 1,802, Regen: 925.8/s
▸ Mana: 168.96, Regen: 13.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 164%, Regen: 96/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 28 Dex / 82 Int / 12 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 101% / 72% / 10% / 81% / 43% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 21%, Threshold: 422
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (112)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (469)

Used skills:

Elemental Nova / Snap Freeze / Mana Strike / Enchant Weapon / Shatter Strike

[shut forum]

my idea was to reach 2500 health regen with 200 cold dmg

thats about 2.5k cold dmg

extra

[stone rapids]

unfortunately for shatter strike any value you get off regen stacking with lance set is just gonna get outpaced by bloody nib as a relic and a better weapon

you also need shattered chains (belt) and siphon of anguish (ring) any melee build not using these two items is giving up nearly half of their damage

[shut forum]

oh i wont keepp these weapons'

[stone rapids]

same with throne of ambition (idol) again you lose about half your damage as a cold build by not using one

[shut forum]

primordial relic that boosts 50% idols

you add the set affix

about swords idk :/

[stone rapids]

nothing comes close to diothaen’s for damage in the relic slot, even shattered worlds is waaaaay worse for damage

[shut forum]

forget shatterstrike try to try a bew build xD

[zinc bone]

Is there something I can use in place of mad ladle / foot of the mountain / heart of hukeiros / vilatia helm for lightning blast rune master? Just unlocked empowered monks at 77 but it’s a nightmare, I am super squishy and do very little damage. I just can’t find those gear. I’m a little perplexed about being even able to get to normal Abby, uber seems totally out of question.

[harsh abyss]

Make sure you have the ring + helmet vilatria combo.

With that and ladle alone (and as much Int as you can muster) you should clear monos super easily.

Fragment of the Enigma and the spark charge nodes in LB are also important.

[zinc bone]

Yeah the point is I have no vilatia helm and no ladle and there’s not much I can do apart from praying rnjesus

I’ve killed at least 100 mages but zero ladles

And playing like this is frustrating I have to care about everything even at 100 corruption. Gear requirements to make the build work seem to high to me.

[harsh abyss]

My recommendation would be to get a good staff. The 100+ flat from a high level base should carry you until you can get a vilatria set and ladle and stuff.

A lot of times, the best defense is a strong offense, killing things before they can hit you os a great way to survive.

[stone rapids]

peak of the mountain is ok for early crit as long as you have enigma. foot is a dungeon boss drop. heart is a boss drop from reign of dragons

[zinc bone]

I did the reign of dragons boss 5 times, no drop. And I’m too squishy for the tree boss but last time I tried was 20 levels ago. I’m prolly having bad luck but that’s why I wanted to know if I could equip something else easier to find. I mean i am playing for hours with zero power gain apart from leveling up, I’m starting to get a bit tired 😪

[stone rapids]

are you cof rank 10?

it's gonna be like a 5% drop chance in unempowered with no rank 10 bonus on twisted heart.

and if you take the warden's echo nodes in the weaver tree you can get lightless arbor drops without going to lightless arbor.

telfun's mirage or blood of the exile are also alternatives to foot of the mountain if you get one with a high intelligence roll

[zinc bone]

Thanks I will try those don’t think I am cof 10 yet.

[stone rapids]

farming boss drops before you hit rank 10 will often just end up being deflating. I wouldn't worry too much about finding the boss drops before then, focus on your other upgrades. make sure you're keeping an eye out for good exalts to slam into your uniques too.

[zinc bone]

Yeah I’m kinda stuck because normal monos feel pointless but even basic empowered are too hard atm.

Mad ladle is getting me mad, seems even rarer than red ring.

I like the playstyle but I didn’t think the build was so gear dependent.

[harsh abyss]

You can farm the vilatria set before rank 10. Look for set staff prophecies and it will drop the whole set. The staff is a much more common drop than the helm and if you do the "no mono events" and "no non mono events" lenses you could stack up a ton of set staff/weapon prophecies.

You can do the same strategy for the Fragment of the Enigma, which is probably the most important unique in the build. Just get some Unique Catalyst prophecies and itll drop real quick.

Ladle is important but you shouldnt NEED it for empowered monos. Any decent wand/scepter (or Rune Dagger) should be able to carry you just fine.

And you can use the default set helm and the ring until you can craft a better set helm with +LB levels.

[short spoke]

anyone got advice for my black hole/meteor my gear is obviously not optimized, im trying to get versions with better affix https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/HIBBIDY_JIBBIDY/character/OOPGA i do have a 1 lp https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRlDYE4g but i feel i will loose to much fire pen

oh, i refunded 2 black hole points, i was going to take the skill that gives ignite chance with extra fire prot and try that staff

[proven haven]

alright bros, we killed Uber with Mana Guide LB Autobomber

[stone rapids]

gear planner?

[proven haven]

@stone rapids https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApXYK5LA

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (46) / Spellblade (18) / Runemaster (29)

General:

▸ Health: 1,427, Regen: 27.6/s
▸ Mana: 411.26, Regen: 18.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 517%, Regen: 130/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 42 Dex / 235 Int / 22 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 60% / 138% / 79% / 80% / 139% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 285
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,551)

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Static / Frost Wall / Focus / Arcane Ascendance

[stone rapids]

t8 belt> vilatria for this one huh? interesting

[proven haven]

for autobomber yes

[stone rapids]

gear looks quite farmable outside of maybe BA tbh

[proven haven]

BA?

[stone rapids]

body armor

[proven haven]

oh. yes

that one sucks ass

but if not that you just use blood gloves instead

with 1lp core

still cap crit

I also have cast speed slams

which do nothing

[stone rapids]

ill prob go this route when i go back to sorc

tried glacier and it seems kinda zdps tbh

[proven haven]

It's suprisingly comfortably / tanky now

the 1kc farm

[stone rapids]

ye i mean

focus just has so much dr

even if the ward gen is bad like i’m not surprised

[proven haven]

yea

could even use immortal vise but the swift gloves feels good

I think 8% ms belt is probably good option too

[stone rapids]

i have a really good t8 praetorian i’m not gonna risk bricking with glyph of envy lol

[proven haven]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2576795464 here is kill, pulled the clip

[stone rapids]

tbh the mana sustain looks good enough to potentially even go seed in maps

[proven haven]

yea you could, I even took an extra level in the +3 mana cost chain

so its 9 mana cost lb

In maps I use wrongwarp though

so -5

[stone rapids]

are you using ladle in uber?

[proven haven]

yea

[stone rapids]

ah

[proven haven]

also not great shred roll for autobomber

its enough for self cast 🤷‍♂️

[stone rapids]

i’m surprised you didn’t go for 2lp mana guide they drop like candy

[proven haven]

I'm going for 3lp

I also have 2x double T7 julra stardials that I could use

not sure how I feel still

[stone rapids]

int, spell dmg on stardial?

[proven haven]

ye

[stone rapids]

pretty sure i have 2 of those exact rings for my lich lol

[proven haven]

pog

need a 77 enigma, new 4LP ladle for lightning dam %, I think a 77 frac crown

probably proper 3lp phantom glove, maybe weaver gloves

then 77 mana guide with light pen

[stone rapids]

ye most of those are pretty easy to get

other than weaver gloves lmao

[proven haven]

weaver is kinda not bad

just t7 int with good roll and any usable affix

with self cast you want t7 int t7 cast

[stone rapids]

they don't have a terribly high LPL either and the affix pool for gloves isn't that big but they're still weavers will items lol

[proven haven]

yea

i guess you can roll them

[stone rapids]

the relics are the worst ones, those things are a nightmare to get good affixes

[proven haven]

yea is true

reroll chance rip

[polar crane]

do we need valatria on this build?

[proven haven]

no

[polar crane]

man I literally press and hold focus til the day I die 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[proven haven]

this is the way

[polar crane]

its damage not as much as valatria lightning blast but it's pretty fun to play

[proven haven]

its probably about half when minmaxed

maybe slightly more

I dont have a fair comparison since I have wrong slams

[abstract scaffold]

Yo, looking through flame reave's tree and the lightning conversion node says ''Fire damage bonuses from this tree now also apply to Lightning''. Does that also apply to the flat fire damage from frenzied flame?

Like does it double dip?

[zinc bone]

I have the vilatria staff but not the helmet. I have the fragment. I will try to get the boots and the relic because they seem easier, but getting to the mono boss every time takes forever and the drops in monos are near to useless. It’s not that I can’t do corruption 100 monos without the ladle but every map takes forever and I often die. The ladle seems quite a huge dps boost.

[nimble rover]

0*1,48=0

[zinc bone]

Yes but my actual 9000x1,48 would be around 13.500, not counting the other buffs the ladle gives. I don’t know what number has to have the LB tooltip to be considered “fine” though.

[proven haven]

LB tooltip doesn't matter if you do no spark charge damage

[zinc bone]

Yes, but I can’t see spark damage damage. I can only assume that the more LB does damage, the more SC will do damage.

[proven haven]

You can if you hold alt on the spark charge node in LB tree but its also not super accurate.

I'm currently at around 600k LB tooltip unbuffed for reference

[zinc bone]

If it is the value I see pressing Alt on the Cloud Answer node, I see 6939

[proven haven]

yea this is pretty low, do you not have enigma?

[zinc bone]

Yes

[proven haven]

idk just post your planner, is easier

[zinc bone]

How can I do it?

[proven haven]

go to LE tools, import, enter your info, save, then paste link here

[zinc bone]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/seppo74/character/Albus

[proven haven]

you are not crit capped

you also have the set primordial but don't have any set items

easiest upgrade is get ferebor set ring and vilatria set helm

get blood mage gloves with 4% crit roll, yours is 2

[zinc bone]

i guess i'm not, i have not other gear but that. I still have not foun vilatria helm seems pretty rare

[proven haven]

you can run the set staff prophecy, once you have the COF node that drops full set

then put mages nodes on weaver tree until you drop rune prison complex

then imprint that echo in your weaver tree

run them when you see, get ladle

and get any relic with intelligence

prefer twisted heart though

[zinc bone]

will try to do those, thanks! Rank 10 of Cof is pretty far though i'm 8

[proven haven]

you need to push some levels, rep is based on xp

itll come faster

[zinc bone]

i have only those blood gloves atm -.-

[proven haven]

yea you can reroll them in gauntlet of strife woven echo

or imprint in woven tree

[zinc bone]

i dont have gauntlet but i have on warden echo, i put it into the tree maybe i'll drop others

[fluid swallow]

What do you guys think of this build? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng589NcG0T8

[proven haven]

xd

[zinc bone]

wait, if i die in the exiled mages echo i can re-do it with all the prisons back again? Is there any malus in loot? Else i'll just redo this echo until i find the ladle lol

[proven haven]

yea loot is reduced but you can still get ladle

[zinc bone]

thanks!

[real magnet]

looking at your letools, a ladle isn't gonna magically solve your damage and survive ability. you have A LOT of holes in your gear, idols and blessings. also I'm pretty sure that imprinted primordial ring does nothing.

[proven haven]

yea I pretty much went over all that already, its a start though

[real magnet]

definitely something. not crit capped while wearing that helmet is painful tho lol

[proven haven]

yea, most of the items are really low rolled which hurts

[zinc bone]

yeah i found the helmet but nothing changed or almost

[proven haven]

the helm is giving you like 50 flat to spark and LB

and +1 levels of all skill

xd

[harsh abyss]

I'm not sure how nothing changed if you found the helmet, have you posted your current build?

[proven haven]

what you mean?

I am using this now

[zinc bone]

the build is alway this https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/seppo74/character/Albus

[proven haven]

poggies

[harsh abyss]

Stronk

Oh is that for the mana guide build?

[proven haven]

yeah

[proven haven]

yeah looks good, work towards the other things mentioned, will make big difference

[harsh abyss]

IDK how you're struggling at 100 corruption. You should easily be able to get by with that gear just by casting LB at everything. But here's some targeted advice:

The biggest weakness I see: Find a place to get more phys resist - it's the most common damage type in the game and right now you're effectively taking like 55% MORE phys damage, this is probably why you die.

For uniques:
-Get a new version of those gloves with 4% flat crit, this is deceptively important.
-Drop Unceni's Sphere in favor of the Mage weaver relic if you have it, or just a relic with T7 of a good offensiveor defensive stat (Or Intelligence)
-Good unique boots are Foot of the Mountain, Telfun's Mirage, or Blood of the Exile
-Try to find an enigma with a better Intelligence roll
-Use nemesis egg to upgrade your amulet or look for a 1LP one, slam crit or multi or a defensive stat (may be a good spot for phys resist, Evolutions End is pretty common to get LP for so you can always upgrade it later)

Other things:
-Focus on getting 1LP version of each unique you have, slam Intelligence on Gloves, Chest, Boots
-Get a wand with T7 crit multi or crit chance
-Get the +All Res blessing from Reign of Dragons

Also for your weaver tree, I'd recommend imprinting common uniques before trying to get a good Unstable Core. It has a much lower drop rate so will much more rarely drop from your tree in my experience.

Focus on getting good Gloves, Boots, and Relic, and Catalyst first

Oh also for the weaver tree, max out "Exiled but not forgotten", since you don't have the Ladle, you want as many mages as you can. I'd also go for the left side instead of the right side:

The champion nodes there have a small impact, but giving them a 1% chance to drop a 1lp unique AND a bunch more champions spawning is good.

Also, you want Warden's Echo. This wil cause dungeon mobs to spawn in your regular monos, which will fairly regularly drop the Foot of the Mountain for you:

And in my experience, it almost always has 1-2 LP, so it should be easy to get a decent roll and slam (at least) intelligence on it

[proven haven]

@harsh abyss here https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdnzezpo

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (46) / Spellblade (18) / Runemaster (29)

General:

▸ Health: 1,441, Regen: 27.6/s
▸ Mana: 460.37, Regen: 17.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 491%, Regen: 82/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 29 Dex / 222 Int / 22 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 73% / 124% / 79% / 88% / 79% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 288
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (154)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (919)

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Static / Frost Wall / Focus / Arcane Ascendance

[proven haven]

just killed uber with that

[harsh abyss]

Very nice. I was working on my Sorc version of the LB build but haven't played in a little while.

I actually killed regular aberroth with it a few times, which is an achievement because I usually get bored and try other builds before getting that far 😝

[proven haven]

trying to make Julra rings work but I feel giga squishy and its awkward to make good use of the bonus

[harsh abyss]

Have you considered Oceareons? they each give 10% more damage and still give you about half the "less damage taken" as red rings

[proven haven]

no all res, no ms, no all attr

[harsh abyss]

yeah

Definite downsides, but 10% more damage is pretty meaningful

[proven haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMV7tJZ2DY8 here is the kill, unlisted video

[harsh abyss]

Red Ring is obviously the tankier option for a bunch of reasons

I can see why the MS is important

[proven haven]

yea

[zinc bone]

thanks and noted, will also try to do those

[harsh abyss]

The phys resist is probably the biggest killer

[polar crane]

do we need to replace the gloves with blood mage to get health leech?

[proven haven]

nope, leech from sorc tree

[strange needle]

First time trying the craft on helmet i think this ain't that bad

[zinc bone]

i have now 70% phys res but i still die even if a little less. Overall it just seems to me that this build is too demanding gear wise, the bear i used before was way stronger at this level and my summon bear toon has way worse gear than this mage. I'm playing hours without any upgrade, i think i'll quit for the moment, but thanks for the input 🙂

[zinc bone]

guess killing uber aberroth will have to wait next season again for me.

[balmy drum]

best for damage overtime but only 1 skill 🥲

[stable holly]

Is there a significant different between the Runebolt and non-Runebolt versions of LB RM?

As far as I can tell there isn't that big a difference

[stable holly]

Bear has way higher single target damage and is overall a better bosser.

[harsh abyss]

Mage is overall in a MUCH weaker place right now compared to meta primalist builds. The LB Runemaster build is probanly top dog because it synergizes well with the primordial unique.

But yeah if you're coming from primalist or sentinel those are gonna be way stronger because of the buffs they got this/last season.

[dapper lion]

starting a fire sorc and I can't tell if I'm supposed to be playing around ignites/dots or more burst dmg? Or are both about equally good?

[harsh abyss]

Both can be strong, just different build styles.

I was going to do a machine gun fireball + wildfire embers ignite build, but I put it aside until the amulet is fixed

[dapper lion]

I'm exploring the skills rn only like lvl 20, so far liking meteor for big boom but volcano orb is fun too

might give the dot build a chance tho -- I know in poe2 ignite is pretty meh but the stacking here seems neat

[charred mountain]

didn't they say that it's not broken and it's supposed to be in the current state?

[zinc bone]

I'm not saying it's weak, i'm just saying it requires too many low chance drops or perfect rolls uniques to shine.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah thats what they said, but I dont think they want it to be functionally worthless, lol. It not using your skill trees means no one will ever use it.

[harsh abyss]

I'll share you mine when I get home, I dont have anything super special and I've been farming normal aberroth

[real magnet]

yea lb runemaster is very easy to gear, and yours has A LOT of very very easy to fix holes in it. especially since it's not your first character.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah. Can always farm twisted heart and stuff on your other character to prep

[harsh abyss]

Here's what I'm using currently on my sorcerer version: ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdnzezpo

[hard cloak]

Does it make sense to Imprint Alchemist's Ladle?

[harsh abyss]

I don't think so, it only drops from exiled mages

I don't think the imprints work for it

[hard cloak]

Also I'm having massive mana issues while clearing. This is my setup right now, I just swapped because I got Enigma.
I assume gloves will help with that?

[zinc bone]

The non mad version, yes. The mad version drops only via Exiled Mages.

[hard cloak]

I know I'm missing Runebolt, and I considered using it (I had decided against it because I didn' want Runic Invocation to be my mobility skill), but you don't really use that while mapping anyway, right?

[zinc bone]

Holes are not difficult to fill, they just take forever to be filled because everything the build needs has a low drop chance AND rolls have to be quite high on certain stats.

[unreal umbra]

i see shatter strike planners ive seen have wings of argentus for the dr while moving, does this have some sort of grace period while stutter stepping and give you 100% uptime even during the split second while you have stopped to attack? @radiant vessel

[radiant vessel]

Nope

I personally have mostly swapped to using wings of discord. It's a DPS loss for sure but it's well worth it tbh

Frees up a ton of opportunity cost elsewhere

[unreal umbra]

ok cool

[hard cloak]

Would you imprint Exalts like this to upgrade them?

[real magnet]

imprinting refers to putting them in one of the slots on your weaver tree, to make more similar ones drop. you typically imprint t7/t6 or double/ triple t7

single t7 exalts drop like candy and aren't worth imprinting really, farm some nemesis towers and you'll get some good stuff

[hard cloak]

I know there is a chance for modifiers to upgrade, I just wasn't sure how much worth it is. I'll farm for double T7s to imprint then, thank you 🙂

[proven haven]

My version and pinchingloaf version use Runebolt, Bina version use Glacier / mountain boots

Runebolt with cast speed of this build = instant mana refill

[hard cloak]

Is Runebolt relevant for mapping? I thought it was used for bossing exclusively#

[proven haven]

Probably not. I do use it, but I'm also playing at 2K corr with 360% cast speed

[hard cloak]

Out of curiosity Sentinel, what are your typical imprint items on LB RM?

[proven haven]

at lower C I didn't really use it

[hard cloak]

Enigma?
A lot of the uniques are boss / exiled mage drops

[proven haven]

Early on I imprinted uniques until I got well rolled 1LPs, imprints are great for hunting good rolls. Yes Enigma was my first

then unstable

blood of exile boots

T7s I didn't bother to imprint, waited for 77s later on

But after I imprinted helms to work on vilatria base

T7 LB vilatria is priority

[hard cloak]

Amazing, thank you!

[proven haven]

Also unless your ferebor reforged is really good using the set ring directly is probably better

[hard cloak]

Didn't find one yet, but it's one the list

I assume the prio for Uniques / Set is something like Enigma > Vilatria > Grasp > Unstable Core > Ferebor?

[proven haven]

oh right forgot grasp, yeah its big

itll double your damage or so

[hard cloak]

what does "% of mana spent reflected to you as damage" mean? Am I suiciding by using LB?

[proven haven]

you are damaging yourself, yes

[hard cloak]

ew

[proven haven]

but it's very little damage

LB cost is low

[hard cloak]

then how come I run oom

[proven haven]

because you have like 0 regen and a small mana pool

its like 15 damage to yourself per cast or something, not much

but you also get damage stagger which means you are less likely to get oneshot by a big hit

[hard cloak]

Thank you for the help 🙂

[hard cloak]

baby's first gear 👶

[spare glen]

Abandon tooltip dps 💀

[hard cloak]

It's literally my only metric to compare gear 💀

[spare glen]

Dont trust it

Never trust it in le

[hard cloak]

I don't have anything else to trust :/

If we had something like PoB, sure

BTW @proven haven I am genuinely impressed not only by how zoomy it already is, but how tanky.
My Paladin couldn't dream of this Ward generation.
And you get to snipe stuff from off screen.

I really feel like I'm back to playing Chaos Lich in PoE2 with absurd Energy Shield while sniping from offscreen

[proven haven]

yea the off screening is pretty great

[hard cloak]

Amazing clear and bossing

My only complaint is mana right now, but maybe that'll solve itself (cope?)

[proven haven]

runebolt is easy solve

[hard cloak]

I've looked at Runebolt, but putting movement on Invocation and having to blink for Ward / buff really put me off.
How does it work? You cast it and get mana? Or do you need a target?
How do you make Runebolt Cold BTW?

[proven haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyaT2d7ajU see how I use runebolt in the Uberroth fight in the beginning, you do need a target but whenever my mana is low I just shoot a couple off and boom, full mana. You make it cold by the cold conversion node in the tree: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oz0mvr8Q

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Spellblade (8) / Runemaster (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,308, Regen: 45/s
▸ Mana: 354.03, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 514%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 31 Dex / 238 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 39% / 63% / 39% / 39% / 115% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 262
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (124)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,500)

Used skills:

Runebolt / Flame Ward / Runic Invocation / Lightning Blast / Frost Wall

This build has a guide:

50 Second Uberroth?! Lb Runemaster Final Build Update | LE 1.3 by FrozenSentinel

[hard cloak]

can you "hit the air" like Sentinel with Multistrike?

[proven haven]

it has to hit to get mana

but its ranged so not really big deal

[hard cloak]

I guess buff + blink being on 1 button frees up a buff button anyway

Guess I'm swapping

Thank you as usual 🙂

Ok, call me blind, but I genuinely don't see a node saying Runebolt is converted to Cold

[proven haven]

just be mindful of your cooldowns, also Runic Invo teleport can skip a lot of areas. As long as you can see halfway to a destination and its pathable you can jump through any amount of distance

[hard cloak]

OH

I get it

I read Frost Spikes as Lightning Blast gets converted to Cold 💀

[proven haven]

yea, Runebolt also gives 21% more damage

for your LB / spark charges

[hard cloak]

Isn't 100% LB uptime more DPS?

[proven haven]

maybe if you have low cast speed but you just tap a runebolt every 3 seconds or so

optional, I guess

[hard cloak]

BTW is the maxroll planner done in order? I noticed things I found a bit strangely ordered so I figured I'd ask (like going for Dual Aegis super late in the Flame Ward tree)

[proven haven]

not really

[hard cloak]

Unfortunate. 😄

[proven haven]

it was originally but as I changed stuff around it wasn't super accurate anymore

[hard cloak]

I'm approaching lv 70 at the moment, so having a prio order would have been nice

[proven haven]

In the guides I put out I did explain the progression which would make the node order more clear, but yeah I should probably go back through all the planner variations and fix orders

[hard cloak]

I'm pretty certain the order wasn't mentioned and I watched the full video twice, but I'll rewatch

(I might have forgotten, I am forgetful)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qna-U_7YC_o&t

This is the one, right?

That's the one I watched twice anyway

[proven haven]

I think order might be correct actually, let me check

[hard cloak]

It's the skill tree order that threw me off, the passive tree seemed fine

[proven haven]

yeah flame ward looks correct anyway

[hard cloak]

Dual Aegis that late really?

[proven haven]

you need to grab cold convert first

otherwise you dont have CFC

[hard cloak]

What's your clear rotation?
Invocation to blink and buff - Flame Wall to ignite - Runebolt for Mana - LB?
Or do you just go Invocation - LB and reserve Flame Wall + Runebolt for bosses / Runebolt if oom?

I was wondering how efficient using Wall + Bolt is for clearspeed

[proven haven]

for clear you almost exclusively use LB and Runic

[hard cloak]

❤️

[proven haven]

you can prematurely drop wall when spawning a mage or nemesis for a bit more dps

[hard cloak]

Yea that's how I was doing it

Speaking of Mage, not having to chase Mage and lizard around the map for 12 business days felt so refreshing lol

How crazy does dropping Enigma and therefore having no traversal skill because I dont want to blink when I need a ward / buff sound?

(the Runic Invocation node Enigma, not the catalyst)

[proven haven]

having no traversal at all sounds kinda awful

[hard cloak]

I figured

[proven haven]

I never really found it a problem, you can just use it at yourself

[hard cloak]

It's cursor, not set distance?

What if I want to hear "I can not do that" though 🤔

[proven haven]

you disable the dialogue sounds

[hard cloak]

It's the best voiceline

I will hear it in my dreams after spamming Space for 15h straight

Why do we have Arcane Warden from the Spellblade tree?

[proven haven]

its int stacker build

[hard cloak]

AH

[balmy drum]

I have removed it, I need points for another passive

[hard cloak]

Runeword: Cataclysm for crit chance?

[balmy drum]

Wisdom

[hard cloak]

for Mana Regen or Mana gain?

[balmy drum]

Both

I've built my skills differently from him to support my high corruption farming. Since I don't have runebolt, I need mana regeneration

[hard cloak]

aaah

Sorry if the questions come off weird, I'm just trying to understand 😄

new and all#

[balmy drum]

damn it, have a bit luck but not enough

[hard cloak]

I have achieved peak fashion

[balmy drum]

Holding a spoon and wearing a pot, chef?

[hard cloak]

and floating a moldy pizza slice

Good find? 🤔

[balmy drum]

Yup, was failed almost same with 3lp a hours ago

[hard cloak]

Realistically, which of the uniques would you go for 3 or 4 LP vs 2 LP

@proven haven Sorry for the ping, but I thought pinging the spreadsheet guy might be the right call here 😄

[stable holly]

You can check on LE Tools or Tunk Lab the expected chance of getting LP and sort of guess yourself what sounds reasonable to farm for.

[balmy drum]

I've rerolled twice, had a bit of luck, but it's still not enough 😭

[proven haven]

Yea you need to figure out that for yourself. I have a good picture of what I would realistically farm for any given character but occasionally I'll drop something outside what I would normally farm, brick it, then be sad anyway.

4lp ladle though is the only one I'd intentionally target. 3LP enigma.

Everything else 2LP, 1LP RR

[queen mason]

@proven haven Do horn of bone wisp is a great bonus for playing a runemaster who use Gon Rah Gon as main damage (one of invocation patterns)?

[real magnet]

horn is actually a solid wand

[queen mason]

I can't find a wand which have solid flat spell damage for a crit-based runemaster build before it's out, so I wonder if this wand fix the empty

🤔 2 more skill points for all intelligence skills my runemaster have. I need to think how to manage...

[proven haven]

Probably not, you either applying ailments in which case is not best option, or you want flat damage which means either vilatria, legends Entwined with ladle, or Reowyn Fortress staff

[queen mason]

I want more flat damage

[proven haven]

Yes, horn doesn't have that much

[lavish apex]

if you're using vilatria, do you want int for every single exalt affix you can get it on?

how much flat does it usually end up with? I would think 150-180int would be pretty average for a dedicated attribute stacker with 200+ being possible

[harsh abyss]

With Vilatria you want as much Int as humanly possible, it kinda gives you ALL the stats you need.

So shooting for 200+ is generally the play

[proven haven]

LB self cast gets to around 240 depending on item choices yea. But it also uses enigma and ladle anyway which also scale with int

[lavish apex]

Yeah so you're just getting a ton of value out of the single stat anyway. Makes sense

I was using Horn on a self cast marrow shards build and it performed fine. But it also didn't care to stack int to the moon

[proven haven]

The main reason ladle wins for int stack builds is that it has a more multi built in, and cast speed per int. If you have 150 flat elsewhere it's basically giving 75 flat for free and 100 cast speed at 200 int

[lavish apex]

This is reminding me that I need to work on my spreadsheets. Gotta get my personal sheets to FrozenSentinel level

[lavish apex]

Definitely. There's not really many sources of flat available for MS, so I didn't really feel like Ladle would have worked out. I've used Wrongwarp in the past but the nerf was enough to make Horn's skill levels have more value

[harsh abyss]

TBH the biggest thing about Ladle is the cast speed. That 100% cast speed at 200 int is pretty huge.

Like, the build is getting so much from Int it's silly to be able to use ladle + vilatria

[stone rapids]

well, a 48% more multiplier is certianly nothing to scoff at either, and it covers your shred and frailty for free, which is super nice

all the while having an absurdly low LPL

[harsh abyss]

yeah

[stone rapids]

i have a feeling ladle is gonna get nerfed in 1.4 but i would really rather just see some other wands get buffed

part of the problem is that every other wand is either just super situational or straight up bad

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[lavish apex]

I could see maybe the cast speed taking a hit. It got a huge nerf in 1.0 by limiting the number of debuffs it could count

[stone rapids]

but it's like

[harsh abyss]

having a 48% more on a wand is big. But having that AND cast speed per int is incredible

I'd rather see Staffs get buffed though. The value of being able to use an offhand is so big

[stone rapids]

i'm getting real tired of the cycle of nerf wrongwarp>nerf ladle>nerf wrongwarp>repeat

even builds that don't build int are still using ladle over anything else these days

last epoch in 2030: mad alchemist's ladle now gives 1% more spell damage per unique negative ailment (up to 2) and 1% cast speed per 50 int. wrongwarp now gives 1% increased spell damage per 50% increased movespeed.

[lavish apex]

I'm definitely in the camp that nerfs are important and you shouldn't just buff everything, but you're 100% right that the alternatives need buffs

i tried using abacus rod once. that was miserable

[stone rapids]

ye for sure i'm half joking lol but yeah it's a bummer how there's like 3 wands that have seen real play for as long as i've been playing (since beta)

[lavish apex]

marina's lost soul had some niche use in the past

[stone rapids]

marina's used to be used a fair bit when flat damage was more in demand, now adaptive spell damage is so easy to come by that it's fallen out of favor

[lavish apex]

yee

[stone rapids]

bone wisp is like situationally neat like you can technically have perma flame ward but the numbers just don't compete with ladle or realistically even wrongwarp really, especially for a prim slot

[lavish apex]

really depends on how much you need the skill levels

[proven haven]

perhaps just caster weapons in general, at least for mage. We don't really need crit since you get it elsewhere, cast speed is nice but you get it on catalyst, passives, relic, gloves, etc. If you stack mana, most of your mana comes from elsewhere. Not many of the caster options really "do" anything, other than the really niche items like Reoywyn Fortress that has a very specific purpose

Give me a mana weapon thats like int scales mana instead of ward retention or something idk

Ladle just naturally scales with new power creep since it's a separate more multi, while most other caster weapons don't keep up.

Idol haste / uber relic, etc. kinda made wrongwarp obsolete too

[lavish apex]

yeah I can see that. there's a lot of staffs that aren't all that great either

same with sceptres. it's what, firestarter's torch and not much else?

[stone rapids]

i feel like there are a lot more staves that see play, just not generally on mages. sceptres i agree on, although there’s only 6 unique sceptres lol

[hard cloak]

Why is Ferebor's Ring increasing my stats by 2?

It also gave all my skills +1?

the set bonus says +2 to all totem skills, but neither +2 to stats nor +1 to all skills fall under that lol

[proven haven]

you have primal ring?

[hard cloak]

oh

thanks 😄

[harsh abyss]

Yeah we need more generally strong caster weapons that benefit different (but generic) caster styles.

Gimme some that are good for channeling. Some that are good for mana stacking. Some that are good for "big kaboom" play that dont benefit from cast speed...

[balmy drum]

3rd

[crimson wadi]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRjE5iA I found this in nemesis with a t7 added fire prefix and 2/3/3 level boosts. It's a pretty neat playstyle. The spell damage is actually useful for flame reave because flame reave can scale with spell damage.

Blade weaver stacks with flame reave with 4 points in the mana reduction(barely under 10), expend blade weaver stacks with surge(converted to fire), doubling up with Dormant Energy on surge. Enchant Weapon just being generally good and a damage steroid. Stack intelligence and dexterity as high as you can go for easy 100% crit as well.

it's admittedly also not caster-based lol

(other two spells was flame ward for fire aura/ward related reasons, and tbh fireball since it cast with flamereave but probably should swap that to something else? fire res reduction is already trivially stacked to max with fire auras...)

uncertain how much it scales yet, but getting up to level 90+ felt very easy compared to other builds. just stack two stats, and most of the damage comes from the weapon.

[hard cloak]

I'm about to start some trove-ing in 100 corruption but I'm also lacking better gear, so I'd need to increase corruption, but I'd need better gear to feel comfortable raising corruption 😆
When do you start seeing some decent T7s?

[sharp mantle]

rares on a good base with the right T5s are usually better than unslammed uniques and exalted with like one relevant affix. Seriously you can have great EHP and decent damage that way.

[hard cloak]

I wasnt asking about T5s tho

[sharp mantle]

yeah but it's another answer to your issue of having inadequate gear to push corruption even to like T500

[stable holly]

You can see them in Empowered Mono’s, when you see them is a matter of RNG.

[sharp mantle]

yeah you can get stuff for single T7 slams easily between 100-300 corruption

[stable holly]

You don’t need T7s to go past 100 corruption though

[sharp mantle]

if your build is mostly unslammed uniques you can end up with like zero EHP though even if your damage is passable

depending on what you're using

which is why I suggested rares

[hard cloak]

I felt like this is ready to be slammed to have something passable until later, but see for yourself.
Always happy to get suggestions

(How do I share my gear without screenshotting every single gearpiece?)

Well, here we go 😄

[nimble shoal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/
Use the import option on the left 😁

[hard cloak]

🤔

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEzGrk4o

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 89

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (23) / Spellblade (8) / Runemaster (51)

General:

▸ Health: 1,198, Regen: 33.35/s
▸ Mana: 212.95, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 360%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 24 Dex / 161 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 111% / 78% / 102% / 81% / 101% / 51%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 240
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (96)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,078)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 2%

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Runebolt / Runic Invocation / Flame Ward / Frost Wall

[hard cloak]

EZ, thank you

Ladle + Fragment have 2 LP, Grasp has 1

I have a semi-decent Unstable Core as well, still need to Nemesis egg it though (puts me barely above 300 mana)

[nimble shoal]

Looks like the easiest item to replace is the relic, but getting single T7 slams on all your uniques is another relatively low hanging fruit. Grabbing prophs for exalts is a decent way to get what you need, and you can use havocs to get exactly what T7 you want relatively fast.

[hard cloak]

The relic is a placeholder and to fix my res.
I've been farming Uhkeiros for 2h straight 💀

[hard cloak]

Yep, that's why I was asking earlier around what c level I can count on the first T7s dropping

been only seeing t6 so far

[nimble shoal]

T7s start dropping in level 90+ areas, but prophecies can ignore area level and drop T7s anyway

If you can, always try to push into level 100 / 100c to do farming so you can start getting grand blessings which will free up your gearing even more, in addition to the better drop rates

[sharp mantle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ import enter account and character name

[hard cloak]

I'll keep farming then, thank you 😄

[sharp mantle]

I don't really know these LB mage builds well so I'll guess you're relying on ward to survive because you don't seem to have a single item increasing your health other than vitality from +all attributes

[hard cloak]

pretty much

active generation in combat is like 4500 ish

I have been hit for 2k+, so that scared me a bit to increase my corruption

[sharp mantle]

I guess you mean you have like 4500 ward in combat rather than you get 4500 ward per second

4500 ward per second would be basically immortality

4500 ward peak is a bit low in my experience

more comfortable with like 6k

[hard cloak]

I mean my active upkeep is a steady 4500

so uhm... is there a less life draining way of farming the Uhkeiros Relic? 😆

[sharp mantle]

nah, that's the only place it drops

[hard cloak]

What do you use Gold on?

[balmy drum]

Buy stashes or buy runes at lightless arbor

[hard cloak]

I forgot about Arbor

[balmy drum]

I mean CoF

[hard cloak]

runes at cof?

[balmy drum]

MG use gold buy item more

[hard cloak]

at cof you spend favor

🤷‍♀️

[balmy drum]

You still need to buy runes if you use a lot, prophecies about runes are not enough, and they take up a lot of your time

I use prophecies for idols and uniques

[hard cloak]

cof doesnt sell you runes

[sharp mantle]

you can get prophecies for crafting materials but they're not all that rewarding

[balmy drum]

Have you read about rank rewards and those "Rune" prophecies?

If you play long enough, you'll also have to learn how to reduce spending on Havoc and Redemption. I've found a way for myself, so I haven't used gold to buy runes for over a month now

[hard cloak]

So I've been using the reforge and it turned my relic blue and keeps giving me stuff like cold damage 😆
Am I just being unlucky, or does this not work for the relics we want?

I think I found Imprint + Slam material

[balmy drum]

I often have to check carefully when clicking ever since they added this reforge button. I never want to use it again after three tries

[hard cloak]

select spell crit?

oh I cant select it lmao

I picked Lightning damage. It selected Necrotic Damage.
Man I'm starting to resent sanctum.

[balmy drum]

Sealed is it name

[proven haven]

Neither are good imprints and you can't slam t8.

The sealed tier doesn't matter for the proc tier

And belt is boss only

[hard cloak]

Is this where I seal the Intelligence and Rune of Removal hope to remove Attunement?
Or do I seal Attunement, add MS, then Havoc?

I'm looking at the google doc but I'm confused lol

[harsh abyss]

If you want the intelligence to T7, you seal attunement, craft MS, then havok

[hard cloak]

@proven haven Why are we filtering for the Spark Champion's affix when it's not used anywhere in the build?

[proven haven]

I added options, T7 LB belt is good for single target. T8 belt is good for autobomber

also early on T8 is strong

[harsh abyss]

Also always filter for other builds you MIGHT want to try. Making new builds with drops from your first build is a lot of fun in LE

Also I was thinking about Static Orb and Ladle. It might be a build where Triboelectra could be better than ladle. SO has so many More mulitpliers the the +3 levels from tribo might be worth more than 48% More damage.

[stone rapids]

it’s like 29 to grab all the mores iirc, which is doable with ladle

ig there are the nodes that slow down the projectile to have the damage ramp and the arcing one for a bit more damage but in my testing those nodes mostly just made the skill feel way worse to play

[harsh abyss]

I actually like the 'slower but more ramp' node more than the 'explode on hit' node because I feel like the drag helps the little orbs hit the same target. But that could just be personal preference.

Also can't it double hit if the orb passes through and then explodes?

[hard cloak]

I'm quite surprised by how squishy 5000 Ward upkeep feels even at 100c lol

[hasty roost]

Is armor shred on gloves a really especially rare thing? I’m filtering for a t6 or better roll on a pair of gloves that could literally have anything else and it’s taking a while.

I’ve been finding it left and right on amulets.

[harsh abyss]

Do you have any other layers of defense?
-Are your resists capped?
-Do you have any armor?
-Do you have any dodge?

Sometimes it's easy for mages to get to high tiers with zero armor and it actually does a lot to help you be tankier

[harsh abyss]

I think you're just unlucky, unfortunately

[hasty roost]

Figured as much. I’ll just stack the deck more in favor of gloves between blessings and COF prophesies.

Or I’ll give up and just stick t5 on my current shackles, assuming that I’ll find others later.

[harsh abyss]

TBH you don't really need a T7 roll to stack up to the diminishing returns point. With a moderate roll on ladle you don't really need any anywhere else, and that's just like... 40% chance

[hasty roost]

I’m not using ladle. I have a 2LP frozen ire for which I’m farming for a slam candidate.

And a 3 lp vial.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I just mean that as an example of not needing a ton of shred to get the max value

[hard cloak]

yep

[harsh abyss]

Your resists are WAY overcapped. It's better to have undercapped resists and have more armor/health

[hard cloak]

I'm aware

[proven haven]

I wouldn't bother with t6 shred, just craft T5 on something useful until you can get a t7 or whatever, assuming you need it. Can also get shred on amulet

[hasty roost]

What is the the diminishing returns point for frostbite chance? The armor shred is for the Runemaster passive that converts it. Getting a t7 roll on my amulet was like a quantum leap in damage.

[harsh abyss]

Oh, if you're converting it to frostbite, get as much as you can

on amulet AND gloves

[hasty roost]

That’s the plan. Amulet is done. I just need the best roll I can find for the gloves.

[proven haven]

Where is all your resist coming from? Idols?

[hard cloak]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

Not much I can change about that at the present

[proven haven]

gotta click save

[hard cloak]

the relic is a placeholder

oh hang on lol

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olO3K2OB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 93

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (23) / Spellblade (8) / Runemaster (55)

General:

▸ Health: 1,238, Regen: 20.16/s
▸ Mana: 214.97, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 354%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 24 Dex / 158 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 115% / 94% / 102% / 111% / 117% / 51%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 248
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (190)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (874)

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Runebolt / Runic Invocation / Flame Ward / Frost Wall

[hard cloak]

it's basically just chest + ring

[proven haven]

oh you dont have twisted heart yet. probably want to kill the dragon boss a few times

[hasty roost]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Brqanl6Q Here’s my frostbite build in progress. Having to learn all the new mechanics on the fly, which is why I botched the amulet. Should have changed it to a different type of amulet as I rolled the last affix.

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (22) / Sorcerer (58) / Runemaster (30)

General:

▸ Health: 1,809, Regen: 51.17/s
▸ Mana: 418.79, Regen: 13.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 205%, Regen: 135/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 2 Dex / 34 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 86% / 146% / 76% / 85% / 90% / 125% / 114%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 22%, Threshold: 362
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,559)

Used skills:

Glacier / Ice Barrage / Frost Claw / Flame Ward / Flame Rush

[hard cloak]

Relic is getting replaced by Uhkeiros.... eventually

I've been farming that dragon for 3h today

[proven haven]

uh hold on, did you copy my filter?

I might be hiding bad rolls

[hard cloak]

yep

let me check that

[proven haven]

I think I hide non perfect 0lp rolls

but you probably want to see them

[hard cloak]

Which rule is it? The filter is giving me a headache

[hard cloak]

this might explain why I haven't seen a Ladle ever since lol

[proven haven]

I don't hide ladles

[hard cloak]

then idk

[harsh abyss]

Ladle seems rarer this season for some reason

I feel like I was swimming in them last season

[proven haven]

hm I don't see rolls here

after killing dragon just hold X and make sure theres nothing hidden

[hard cloak]

Yep, been doing that

[proven haven]

yeah I think is fine then

[hard cloak]

it didn't drop

[proven haven]

it should drop in empowered pretty often

[hard cloak]

even though I stacked 2x 40% rarity before entering the fight every single time lol

[proven haven]

that doesn't do anything

[hard cloak]

oh

[proven haven]

wait the wiki says it does 🤔

[hard cloak]

I'm gonna farm empowered reign of dragons anyway for the all res blessing

[proven haven]

I think it means corruption though

[harsh abyss]

It's worth it to get that 20% all

[hard cloak]

yep thats the goal

reign of dragons for all res, black sun for crit, ending the storm for lightning dmg, age of winter for phys res

my todo basically

[proven haven]

storm for shred*

[hard cloak]

got it

BTW how do I know how modifiers like Intelligence vs Spell / Lightning / Elemental Damage vs Lightning Pen etc compare

I'd have no idea which exalt to choose for example

[proven haven]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/UndeadDragonBoss oh maybe rarity modifers do work with drop

[hard cloak]

I wish there was a tool that lets me add custom modifiers to my gear to calculate its impact

[proven haven]

intelligence almost always wins if you can get it

pen, increased damage, multi, cast speed depends on how much you already have and where else you can get it

[hard cloak]

So with the gear I have I've been looking for Exalted Wands at the moment

[proven haven]

if you have 500% crit multi (with 100% crit chance) and 900% increased damage (so 10x damage)

Then gaining 100% increased is equivalent to 50% multi

[hard cloak]

my Ladle is 2 LP

I'm quite happy with the progress I made today though, reached 512k tooltip dps and ~5k sustained ward

[proven haven]

you generally dont want increased damage unless there is no other option since you get so much for free from intelligence scaling and idols

[hard cloak]

got it

getting the idols has been quite painful too

[proven haven]

yes it is

[harsh abyss]

Okay mr spreadsheet wizard, here's one for you:

An import tool where you can pull a build from LETools or Maxroll where it will tell you your crit multi, increased, crit chance, etc and show where your weaknesses are and what the best way to improve your damage would be.

[hard cloak]

I've been reforging the adorned idols for increaesd lightning damage while aegis + increased lightning damage

[proven haven]

sure you can do that, and I regularly do that for my builds with a sheet

but it depends on how much access you have to different things

you can't just change one thing in a vacuum because then it might make sense to change something else

[hard cloak]

I can't wait for us to have tools like that, like PoB for PoE

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, basically like POB, where I could swap the T7 affix slams on my gear to other things and see the impact on DPS, for example

[hard cloak]

^

Or just to compare similar Exalts before slamming

[proven haven]

something like this for a relative comparison

you could calculate the whole thing starting from scratch but often times if you compare multiple choices for the same build you just need a relative comparison

something like this is more "from scratch"

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I was thinking about a similar thing when I was comparing Meteor with Static Orb

I really wonder if Vilatria + Ring and Meteor might be fun because you'll have so much cast speed that you'll be dumping your mana and dropping ALL the meteors

[proven haven]

yup, I tired it, it's good

you need enough mana for it to not feel awful though

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

And if you're stacking that much mana, SO is probably actually more powerful after all the More modifiers in it's tree

[proven haven]

it is

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that confirms what my quick math said

I wish the "one big meteor" style was viable.

5 extra meteors is just too powerful, all the damage for meteor is basically tied to that branch.

Give me a super powerful branch of the tree, but lock it behind a node that says "each cast can only drop one meteor"

[frail marsh]

what is a good build for a spellblade?

[radiant vessel]

Shatter strike

[balmy drum]

4th

[hard cloak]

no 4% tho 🙁

[balmy drum]

Can use for sacrifice

I want wand or catalyst 🥺

[hard cloak]

This is where you Rune of Removal for the 25% chance to hit Cast Speed, right?
I should imprint the item as is then, just in case lol

ez

[crimson wadi]

one big meteor probably wants you to cast it with Black Hole, since multimeteor only happens on direct cast

or via the meteor on crit thing

[proven haven]

this was nerfed, multi meteor only on direct now

[crimson wadi]

....that was what I said yes lol

well okay confusing context meteor on crit wants big meteor too is what I meant

[safe spoke]

What is the build premise for having elemental nova be always tri-elemental?

[proven haven]

#❔┃ask-the-community message

[proven haven]

How many of your 7777s are from imprint vs tower?

[balmy drum]

Only that pair of gloves, as for 3x7, there are plenty, but whether it's what i need, I don't know

Every week, I get 1-2 new 3x7 items, but most of them are duplicates

I'm only missing a wand and a catalyst, for other stuff, I have a few types with dual prefixes or suffixes to use as samples

The first one was two days ago, the second one is today

I was very lucky to get a ring and a relic 3x7 as raw drops; both are low FP and have the CoF tag... The relic is a global type, and it can roll all class idol

[hard cloak]

Finally something ok to slam

pick crit strike + pray for lightning pen?

[balmy drum]

Crit multi and cast speed, if you're lacking crit chance, then up int or look for it on a catalyst

I wasted a 4lp spoon of mine by following a Maxroll guide to craft gear before playing this build

[hard cloak]

Hitting the Shock Chance and generally 33% disfavourable affixes this many times in a row makes me certain that the Eternity Cache has affix weighting and not all modifiers have an equal chance.

[whole jackal]

Good as measured in ? Can it do like 1k corruption echos? Actually I wanted to try lightning meteor for quite some time, since I mostly play sentinel and primalist.

If you have a planner would be great

[rapid rose]

Hey guys, I just dropped this 4LP Mad Alchemist’s Ladle but it only rolled 13% shred on spell hit. Do you think it’s still worth using/legendary crafting, or should I wait for another 4LP drop with better rolls? Not sure if this one is good enough to invest in..

[hard cloak]

why not just gauntlet of strife it?

the other rolls aren't too hot either

[proven haven]

Good as in yeah 1k and uber viable but it wouldn't be easy

With 77 gear you should destroy uber but with 75 gear it takes a lot of skill

[balmy drum]

A 3LP with the last 3 unique affixes at 40+ definitely deals better damage and is easier to find than this wand

[proven haven]

It really depends on the build. It's possible 13% is enough if you hit a lot but idk if I would invest. Personally I'd just slam with a placeholder until you find better

[hard cloak]

I dont understand why we're not turtling it

not turtle

gauntlet of strife

[rapid rose]

I have one LP4 ^^'

Thanks a lot for the input guys! I’ll just keep farming until I get a better roll ! 😄

[balmy drum]

If you give the turtle a 4LP item, it will definitely return it to you with 0LP

[hard cloak]

Obviously I am speaking of rerolling the modifiers, not the LP

Why would you turtle 4 LP

[rapid rose]

Its good idea, i just need farm more 4lp , ty ! 😄

[hard cloak]

I dont get it

Whatever, I'm getting annoyed 🤷‍♀️ hf

[balmy drum]

People are still feeding the turtle a ton and then rerolling, aren't they? Natural 3LP drops are very rare

[hard cloak]

In this case you have a 4 LP with bad mods

So you reroll the mods

at gauntlet

why are we talking about rerolling the LP, idfgi

[rapid rose]

If I’m not mistaken, to reroll a 4LP at Gauntlet you need another 4LP, right? I don’t think you can reroll it with a 3LP or lower

[hard cloak]

I just looked it up and you're right

I was sure you could just dump a low LP one

MB

[rapid rose]

"No worries, I wasn’t completely sure either , thanks for checking! 😅

[rapid rose]

Wow, nice !

[balmy drum]

I wish i can swap slow for poison

[hard cloak]

love it

[rapid rose]

I have a doubt, we can’t imprint this item, right?

[hard cloak]

You can, but it does nothing

Imprints don't affect boss / unique enemy drops

[balmy drum]

I kept the wands with good rolls and gave them to Nemesis, then the turtle helped me

[balmy drum]

Can't

But they appear a lot at high corruption without needing support nodes. Every week, I usually bring about 4 stashes to feed the turtle

[hard cloak]

Legendaries can't be rerolled anymore, right?

[rapid rose]

Turtle time 🙏

Not this time 🥲

[hard cloak]

rip

[nimble shoal]

You can reroll their stats within their roll ranges with the sacrifice altar, but otherwise no

[balmy drum]

@proven haven Just got it 5 minutes ago from a friend, he picked it up 10 minutes ago

[harsh abyss]

Wow, nutty

[balmy drum]

The sample product also has low FP. It will likely take quite a while to upgrade its FP. Since it’s a 4x7, it can be drop a 3x7 of another class with a higher rate

[stoic skiff]

Anybody have a extra fragment of enigma that can give me so i can start my build. Dont need LP

[harsh abyss]

Trading isn't super open in LE, but if you're COF it's VERY easy to farm, and MG you can buy one pretty quick from the bazaar

[proven haven]

I guess 4 T7 has like 3x the chance of dropping a 3 T7 if that's what you want, assuming you don't care about affix position. It's hard because you cant really get a seal on there

[stoic skiff]

Thank you @harsh abyss

[proven haven]

Oh pog I'm red now, hype

[unreal umbra]

oOOoo red name

about time

[short spoke]

this is what i am using, fun but my gear is not really optimized i am always ok with tips and advice...like im not really sure if i should bother with ignite or ditch it

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/hibbidy_jibbidy/character/oopga

[balmy drum]

it helps save time in 3x7 imprinting, that's all I want from it, and the pure rng thing is just crazy 😅

[quiet perch]

Do I have to directly cast spells for sorcerer bonus damage?

[balmy drum]

Mastery bonus? Maybe nope

It will always take notes if requested, if not requested and it doesn't work, you should report the bug

[balmy drum]

i hate pure rng

[spare pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/red-flag-red-flags-guy-running-with-red-flag-ignoring-the-red-flags-man-running-with-red-flag-gif-9274875786215349752

[stable holly]

Runes of Ascendance exist

[hard cloak]

do I care about the Spark Charge area on Fragment of the Enigma, or just the Int value?

[proven haven]

It will help your clear speed

[hard cloak]

huge? 🤔

[nimble rover]

answer is not clear, right ? 😄

[hard cloak]

it isnt

[nimble rover]

wdym

you got 12 %/ highest int roll. good area roll. 3 lp. how is it not clear?

[polar flicker]

anyone playing wildfire embers / reave spellblade build? im lvl 90 still working on mine.

[hearty jolt]

the gamba shall reveal if it is

[harsh abyss]

Everything I've heard is that wildfire embers isn't worth it because it doesn't use your skill tree on the skills it triggers

which isn't a bug, but is terrible design

[rustic spindle]

just specced into Runemaster. if i'm seemingly not supposed to focus on one element - then what do i focus on? DoTs? or will there be some class mechanic later that will make it all make sense?

[sharp mantle]

Wildfire Embers is trash.

The ignite proliferation doesn't proliferate the entire stack or from/to every enemy in range & the duration of proliferated ignites is small - this is working as intended apparently. Oh and I've heard the damage of the proliferated ignites doesn't match the applied ones from skill more multipliers etc.

The Wisps which copy your skills last 3s rather than the 8s they said, at 8s iirc it was probably going to be like a ~36% more damage mod for fire skills on average (assuming the Wisps copied skills used your skill trees!)

The copied skills don't use your skill trees so they're weak af and you get fewer of them than we originally expected.

It was the primordial item I was most excited about pre-patch but everything unique about it is trash and the stats (including ignite per fire res) don't justify the primordial slot on any build afaict.

[polar flicker]

lots of good info. that's really disappointing.

[abstract scaffold]

Fr, like half the text on it might as well not exist

[sharp mantle]

that and abomination sacrifice being bugged so the abomination sacrifices itself are the biggest disappointments of the patch for me

[polar flicker]

LOL i didn't know about that bug.

[harsh abyss]

That's what I mean about the terrible design. Like, I can understand the proliferation radius being kind of small, but the skills not using your skill trees? That's like.. the main reason to use it!

Definitely not strong enough to be worth the primordial slot as it stands now.

[sharp mantle]

it's semi rare, unclear exactly why/when it happens, but your abomination just randomly dies instantly sometimes while sacrificing other things. It happens often enough that it seems to happen maybe once every other monolith roughly if you're zooming but that's too frequently to be playable given your build probably revolves around the abom.

Being able to automate selective sacrifice casts (ie it will only sacrifice skeletons if you only make it from skeletons) is such a unique capability and very potent but in its current state...

[sharp mantle]

it's clear that they didn't want the ignite prolif to be good for ignite builds to speed up monlith running, just to enable the skill copying stuff by making sure that many enemies are technically ignited even if those ignites aren't dealing meaningful damage but then the skill copying is also disappointingly bad????
idk what's going on in their design process or why they led with it as their first shown promotional primordial to drum up excitement for 1.3.

Someone clearly thought that it would be interpreted the way players have interpreted it or they wouldn't have spoiled it first up but then their comms after release are "working as intended, deal with it."
I just don't understand what the approach is there.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it has 2 draw: Ignite prolif and skill copying. And both of them are terrible right now. People did the math on skill copying and even with the skills using your skill trees its only like a 30% more damage multiplier

And who cares about if prolif clears monos for you, name me one build that struggles with clearing basic mono enemies at even kind of reasonable corruption levels..

[sharp mantle]

yeah, it's more than 30% if the ignite/fire pen is relevant but it's not like there are problematically strong ignite builds around rn

[harsh abyss]

Especially not for mages, lol

[sharp mantle]

they say they dislike walking sim builds but add thicket of blinding light and downfall of the righteous (witchfire relic) this year, I don't think there's a single situation in which a really sweet version of ignite prolif would actually be busted compared to thicket

[harsh abyss]

Also don't forget consecration last season

Also you wouldn't be a walking sim build because you still have to apply all the ignites for them to prolif

Like, yeah even if it clears screens you still need to cast at least one spell per screen

And that's no different from other big AOE spells

[short spoke]

allright you ingnte people , can you tell me if i should spec igniote on this build or ignore it for crit...im thinking about changioing some skills to utilize the +igniote from bonus fire prrot https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/hibbidy_jibbidy/character/oopga

but, i mean i have garuanteed crits from meteor if i have over 400 mana

which is generally most of the time

[quiet perch]

how are additive and multiplicative mana-cost additions combined?

also how to adjust for mana-efficiency nodes?

[stone rapids]

meteor is generally played as a crit skill but there are enough generic multipliers that ignite may work… however, you’re definitely going to want to focus on one or the other as opposed to both. trying to scale both dot and hit will almost always spread your build too thin and lead you being not particularly good at either.

[short spoke]

yea, that was i thinking, but i have so many idols revolving around dots lol, ill have to focus on getting mana and crit muti

[short spoke]

ive been dying for second opinions, thanks for the reply

[short spoke]

sorc hase direct multiplicative with mana cost, i am not sure of the other 2 mastries

[tribal veldt]

the insistence that the item is "working as written and intended, we're sorry that people expected it to be better" in response to all the feedback is... frustrating to say the very least

I started my character this season with the expectation that the item would at least work as the words written on it say it does. Didn't even have to be good, just the bare minimum. but no, it just fundamentally doesn't function.

[sharp mantle]

its like some guy who really wants ignite to be good made a wish on a monkeys paw for wildfire embers to be created and for it to proliferate ignites and spawn things that copy your skills and scale ignite chance off other stats and add survivability too.

ive seen some rogues pairing it with existing scaling from fire res for ignite in that class's skills but it doesn't even look good there.

[quiet perch]

I know. Thats' why I'm asking this question. If a skill has a base cost of 10 mana and with two nodes it gains both +20 mana and +10%, how is the final cost calculated?

[stone rapids]

flat comes before % mana cost. final cost would be 33.

[nimble shoal]

I really want to try a vengeance build using that node that gives ignite pen per fire res when fire converted, but the node has just never worked lol.

[sharp mantle]

just Last Epoch things

think they said they fixed exactly that node within the last month or so but didn't actually fix it somehow

[harsh abyss]

It took me like a year of keeping a thread alive to get the Spark Nova node in LB fixed, I posted on it every month to keep it open. 😝

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, twice, kinda

[nimble shoal]

I've been trying to get locust swarm's cold conversion fixed since it became broken in 0.9, they still seem to not be sure whether it's a bug or not 😅

[harsh abyss]

Oof

[hard cloak]

Are there set items besides Ferebor + Vilatria Helmet that would synergise nicely with Legends Entwined?

Also I am so confused, because I keep seeing in multiple guides that the "Chance for Lightning Blast to Chain 4 Additional Times" suffix is BiS, yet I see none of them use it on their gear. Why?

[nimble shoal]

Shattered lance and last bear are fairly solid sets

[nimble shoal]

Would be a bug with the guide. It's a sealed belt affix, in case you aren't looking in the right place.

[harsh abyss]

Because you cant use the t8 version AND legends entwined.

And you cant use the t7 version and the belt that gives 20+ int

[hard cloak]

thanks!

[stone rapids]

and to expand on this, unless you drop twisty for shattered worlds or have aspirational gear, it's going to be very difficult to cap crit without the 20 int from orian's

[hard cloak]

But you can still slam a t7 version on the belt

it's not a t8 exclusive...

I'm talking about this affix here.

I don't understand why it's mutually exclusive with Orians.

Or can you not slam sealed affixes? 🤔

[warped kraken]

It's a sealed champion affix, sealed can't be slammed

[hard cloak]

This was the info I was missing, thank you

[rapid rose]

Over 1k corruption and still no double T7… Feels bad 😢

[hard cloak]

oof

I saw my first ones at like 150

[rapid rose]

T_T

[stone rapids]

just abuse rampant coast and spam conquered towers, they'll start showing up

[rapid rose]

I try !! xD

[stone rapids]

jeez

i've heard some people having luck with prophecies but i've never needed to

also if you have coast imprinted you're probably losing a ton of coast procs by laying out your timeline like that

[rapid rose]

Yeah i see that, need more space ?

[stone rapids]

iirc the most efficient way is to do one line in each of the four directions going straight until the total distance (in number of nodes) from the center is 10. after you've got 10 away from the center in each direction, you reset.

pretty sure binaqc has a video on it

[rapid rose]

Ty dude !

[hard cloak]

How do you even do your pattern like this.
I know about making a line in the middle, alternating with Folly to juice your nodes, then filling left and right, but that's 3 columns.
You have 4, so why isn't the game auto filling.

[rapid rose]

I try ubby but i thinks need more cast speed x)

[rapid rose]

Just dropped my first double T7 :’) Since I only play wands, I guess this is pretty much useless for me, right?

[rapid rose]

Honestly I don’t really know… I just placed my maps in a line without thinking too much ^^’

[waxen token]

is hydrahedron bomber RM not viable this season?

[idle shard]

is Meteor top-tier this season?

[stable holly]

Could it be a filter issue?

[rapid rose]

Nop, i check 100 time x)

[proven haven]

Yes it's still good

[proven haven]

Not really