🧙┃mage

[eager sparrow]

If only you can stack 30+ skill points in meteor...

[rapid hinge]

since imo i the right part of the tree is where the real damage of meteor come from

[harsh abyss]

That's with a pretty conservative +3 to meteor. You could easily get to +7 or higher.

And then go down to the twin meteors node and such

[glossy mountain]

So what is the go to mana stacker?

disintegrate is bad apparently because it needs 4s to proc and start doing damage

[harsh abyss]

Static Orb is probably the strongest mana stacker

[glossy mountain]

meteor looks like itll be mana hungry, static orb costing 700 mana per cast sounds terrible for mana sustain as well

[carmine hazel]

you can start disint from T3

[harsh abyss]

You don't sustain Static Orb, you use Mana Tunnel to cast it for free and then everything is dead before you run out of mana 😝

[glossy mountain]

I made this argument yesterday and ppl say it would be bad for clearing

[glossy mountain]

whast mana tunnel?

[carmine hazel]

just saying you can do that

[harsh abyss]

In Teleport:

[glossy mountain]

Yea i get that, i wanna do something but also feel great

[harsh abyss]

You get a free cast of any spell, so your 700 mana cost static orb is free

[glossy mountain]

yea 1 every 6 seconds

[shut escarp]

thats 6 seconds + base cooldown of teleport

[harsh abyss]

It still ends up being around 6 seconds once you get all the ICRS

[glossy mountain]

yea if you get the nodes right after, it drops it to 6 seconds im pretty sure

[harsh abyss]

But even that, nothing really survives the expensive Static Orb cast except bosses. And you can probably get 2-5 casts depending on how you space things out. Just never run yourself completely out of mana.

And have another skill for clearing

Like Ele Nova or something

[shut escarp]

what about defences

[carmine hazel]

8-10k ward

[harsh abyss]

Mana Shell, Lost Knowledge, Mana Bulwark,

[shut escarp]

stable or flame ward + something?

exsanguinus + last step?

[harsh abyss]

My "Full mana stacking" concept was:
Mana Strike -> Scale Flat damage and crit chance off of mana
Meteor -> Proc via Harbinger of Stars while using mana strike and procc'd spells
Static Orb -> Only use after casting Teleport for big kabooms
Teleport -> For Mana Tunnel free Static Orbs

Then:
Enchant Weapon -> Enhancing Mana Strike with attack speed for more meteors and such
or
Flame Ward -> For obvious defensive reasons

[shut escarp]

if you get some CDR you can have permament enchant weapon, not sure if worth tho

[carmine hazel]

i am going twisted, frostbite shackles and some mana spend as ward

• passives

[shut escarp]

its all melee dmg and if you want to clear with meteor and static orb, then melee is not much for you I guess

[carmine hazel]

nah only meteor for me

[harsh abyss]

With 25% from the buffed Recollection, you won't need much more to get permanent uptime on Enchant weapon.
Plus the ICRS will help lower teleport cooldown as well.

[shut escarp]

kinda sad that spellblade has no CDR

[viral pond]

Did you miss the introduction of Archmage?? Lol. Allie has already done the math. Mana is solved.

[harsh abyss]

I'm gonna start with just raw meteor, but it'll be easy enough to try the 'full mana stacking' build and see how it goes. Raw meteor can survive with just meteor specialized, heh.

[dark jay]

glacier is good for maintaining mana in maps

do try it out next tuesday

[carmine hazel]

oh Allie her build is up brb

[stable terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5DWoklVx4

[dark jay]

the 1% mana on crit is per individual mob

[shut escarp]

do you ever convert meteor to lightning? or just stick with fire

[stable terrace]

hmm this glacier + meteor harbinger seems like it will be amazing once you get all teh gear

[dark jay]

so you could easily get butt load of mana back when you cast it on a big pack

[harsh abyss]

It's not super popular because it reserves your weapon and helmet slots, but I like the Vilatria conversion.

[dark jay]

i feel vilatria build is bait

[carmine hazel]

.... Vilatria intresting

[dark jay]

i have tried it once, but the lack of defense is too much for sorc

[harsh abyss]

I mean that's why this league it might be much better. Prior to now, Sorc in general sucked because of lack of defenses.

[carmine hazel]

becouse on 1.0.0 you had non in the firs place

[dark jay]

like i will be giving up at least 200 base mana from helmet and catalyst by going vilatria

[shut escarp]

in this video, howcome you proc meteors so often, it has like 9% trigger chance on crt

[harsh abyss]

It's every crit, so if you're proccing spells and they all crit, you can end up triggering way more than you'd think.

Also it casts meteor, and if you've specc'd meteor to drop 5 meteors, each proc will cast all of them

[dark jay]

belt proc is based on each crit on every mob

[shut escarp]

so if you proc meteor this way, and one of the meteors crt it can also proc another meteor?

[dark jay]

so big pack means multiple individual crits to proc

[harsh abyss]

No, proc'd meteors won't proc more meteors

But if you crit 10 things with one spell, it's 10 chances to proc

So in the video when you see the glacier crit an entire pack, each one of those crits has a chance to proc. You end up procing quite a few

[stable terrace]

glacier also crits multiple times given the 3 waves and regens 1 max mana for ever crit

[shut escarp]

so if spark charge crts it will also work

[stable terrace]

oof goodbye mana if spark charge crit also triggers

it is awkwardly degenerate where its much stronger with more mobs and much weaker with single mobs

[shut escarp]

so if you find a way to procc a lot of skills including spark charges....

[harsh abyss]

Well, apparently proc'd skills won't add more spark charges. So you can't have an infinite chain of meteor -> spark charge -> meteor

[shut escarp]

if only mana strike had some aoe

[stable terrace]

mana strike has so many good CoC builds it could do but it just feels terrible as a skill 😦

[harsh abyss]

I wonder if the addition of Evade might make it feel better

Like, having evade available to get in the appropriate range could do wonders

[shut escarp]

we could still use frostclaw and transform it to lightning

[stable terrace]

yeah 40 mana cost frostclaw is definitely something i am goign to try

its a bit awkward because its a bti hard to get to 40 mana

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, pair that with Ice Barrage for tons of spark charges

[stable terrace]

oh wow i even forgot about ice barrage, woudl it apply spark charge on every hit?

[harsh abyss]

Yes

[stable terrace]

oh yeah the passive doesn't even require lightning skills, its just any 40 mana

this is definintely not going to lead to an enigma nerf no sir

[harsh abyss]

Yep. it's gonna be silly. I kinda wonder if EHG forgot about Ice Barrage too 😝

[shut escarp]

yes but if you proc icebarrage via frost claw it wont work, because it is procced

[harsh abyss]

"Oh, as long as triggered skills don't proc, it's fine"

It's easy enough to just cast Ice Barrage though 🤷‍♀️ Against bosses will be the only time you even might want it

[stable terrace]

oh it only works on direct cast? doesn't say that in node

[harsh abyss]

That's a clarification from the ask-devs channel

There might be an updated text for the actual release

[stable terrace]

i gotta say, its crazy they haven't nerfed enigma already in a patch adding spark charge on hit for every skill

for such a common item that has decent lp

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, all "X mana cost" kinda stuff does

[stable terrace]

good to know. lots of procced skills also cost mana so idk..

[shut escarp]

yes but then if you spam a lot of skills and proc a lot of spark charges and meteors

your are out of mana instantly

[nimble shoal]

Spending mana literally means spending it for direct skill use, not even consume effects on direct uses work (like mana arc's 15 mana cost in mana strike)

[harsh abyss]

I wonder if they've actually changed that wording. Like "Consumes mana" instead of "Spends mana" for triggered abilities. That does make it a lot clearer.

You spend mana. Triggers consume mana

[shut escarp]

yes, but consume and spend can be interchangeable

[harsh abyss]

Not in ARPG world where specific wording is very important

[shut escarp]

I would rather have then add somethin like (does not work for triggered skills)

[nimble shoal]

Most places it does say consume, but not always

[harsh abyss]

Just like "increased" and "more" could be interchangeable, but definitely aren't.

[shut escarp]

correct, and if they use more they say in skill description that it is multiplicative

[stable terrace]

and armor vs amour?

[shut escarp]

so could add that for skill too

[stable terrace]

armour

[shut escarp]

armour is USA and Australia/New Zeland

armor us UK

or the other way around xd

[stable terrace]

other way around, it was kinda funny there were some items that had both +armor and +armour on the same item

not sure what they decided to be the proper default

how many hits does ice barrage do?

wondering how we can most abuse spark charges with most hits

[shut escarp]

do you want spark charges for their dmg, or to proc meteors via belt

I lost track now, we moved on to spark charges and my mind switched to lightning crt builds xd

20 casts

its 0.24 delay between casts, lasts for 5 sec

but if you spam frost claw it increases fire rate so I guess more

but then we go to server tick rate and hitting enemies too often

if it's like in poe

[stable terrace]

damage, frost claw + ice barrage

• enigma

feels like has to be something

[shut escarp]

you can even go with black hole, casting collapse and meteors each second

which consumes meteor mana

for even more hits

[stable terrace]

i guess proc skills don't trigger teh spark charges though

[shut escarp]

depends if consumed mana triggers spark charges

[nimble shoal]

It does not

VO is another one that can hit a ton and can cost 40+

[weary hamlet]

apparently accoridng to mike VO's subskills won't proc charges

[stable terrace]

oh boy, can't wait for my d2 frozen orb sorc to come back. d4 frozen orb graphically is super lame

[merry bear]

Hey, so I found this one spear that converts volcanic orb to void damage and I've been wondering how that could ever work... I dont think any sorcerer node actively boosts void damage and thats just the outer shell of the issue. As we know volcanic orb has mana issues, which most counter by including a combination of meteor and teleport, but they have no option to be converted (havent checked all uniques yet though). Any ideas?

[nimble shoal]

Right, subskills themselves won't proc it, but spark charge chance is ailment chance, it'll pass on to subskills

[weary hamlet]

yeah I don't trust mike on that one, gotta test in-game

[nimble shoal]

Spark charges are definitely one of his banes lol

[shut escarp]

one more downside to meteor build, meteor is super slow, how can we fix that

[sour wind]

wdym meteor is slow

[stable terrace]

to be fair, not sure if any game has as many subskills and specialized conditions, many of which have bugged and broken interactions, not sure if anyone easily will keep track of them all

[shut escarp]

you cast meteor and by the time it falls down mobs are already somewhere else

[stable terrace]

a skill tree for every skill does that

[harsh abyss]

Harbinger belt + Rapid Descent node

160% increased fall speed on the high end

[harsh abyss]

This is one reason why meteor is very appealing. No fuss no muss, just big damage kaboom.

[shut escarp]

ok so few follow up questions, what are subskills, do the additional meteors count as subskills, do the additional meteors count towards this

and can the additional meteors proc spark charges and more meteors

[harsh abyss]

I don't think the additional meteors count as subskills, but they do definitely count as additional meteors

[potent vapor]

what u guys think is gonna be a good hc start lvl build ?

[harsh abyss]

Shrapnel is a meteor subskill, for example

From the Shattering Star node

[stable terrace]

i guess spark charge VO/ice barrage its not guaranteed because volcanic orb and ice barrage technically cast a subskill

but generally they do apply other ailments right?

[shut escarp]

I will check, give me a sec

[harsh abyss]

I think Ice Barrage should work, because the shards it fires are part of the main skill. Not 100% sure about the shrapnel from VO though. It feels like they should

But like the Frost Nova that Ice Barrage casts on hit wouldn't trigger spark charges

Or the Ice Shield detonation

[stable terrace]

i guess we'll only know when we test. it technically is just ailment chance but its a weird conditional ailment chance

[harsh abyss]

Subskills are generally skills that aren't part of the main skill, like Explosive Ground for VO. Things that happen when you cast the skill unspecc'd should by all rights trigger the spark charges

But yeah, we'll have to test it

[nimble shoal]

If ailment chance passes, so should spark charge chance

[harsh abyss]

I agree, but who knows if it actually does 😝

[stable terrace]

fair enough. the hilarious thing is an unspecced ice barrage

coudl still be crazy good for boss damage

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, you don't even need to spec it for spark charges. But if you DO spec it and focus on the fire rate for the shards? Could be insane

[shut escarp]

I just took chance to bleed on hit and used ice barrage

applied like 15 bleeds so it applies ailments

[nimble shoal]

Yep for sure, make it slow down to a stop right inside of a boss, too - would be a few spark charges applied for sure lol

[shut escarp]

and the dmg is more or less the same on each hit so it counts as consumed mana for damage, so each hit should apply spark charge

[stable terrace]

i guess technically enigma already has spark charge on hit i can test

the passive just gives 10x as much

[shut escarp]

same with VO shrapnels, they do apply ailemnts

[harsh abyss]

Enigma might not work for testing because it's on any hit so inheritance shouldn't matter

[weary hamlet]

ofc, I also doubt that the barrage lances are a subskill. It should definitely be able to apply the charges as usual, and between all the ramping up you can do for it, it should stack them up fairly rapidly

[shut escarp]

I didnt know VO shotguns with shrapnels if you cast it directly on enemy

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, if you shoot the VO through a boss, it hits a LOT

[weary hamlet]

I mean barrage was the premiere skill for frostbite before they released FC, it's known that it has no issues with ailments (at large)

[shut escarp]

I only played with barrage back in the days when it was global skill, did not have collision and you could clear monolith without moving from the start place

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, barrage should definitely work. The only reason why VO is in doubt is because they make the distinction between the shrapnel and the orb.

[shut escarp]

but it caused you to have 0 FPS

[nimble shoal]

A ton of stuff is technically subskills, so I wouldn't be surprised if the icicles are (not that this matters really)

[weary hamlet]

And since that VO frostbite is also a thing, I'm inclined to believe that the subskills will proc spark charges too, Mike got rekt by charges/shadow daggers yet again

[stable terrace]

ice barrage definitely procs a few spark charges with enigma on testing

[harsh abyss]

Sure but engima happens on all hits, so it's not really the same question.

Subskills might not trigger it because you don't spend mana on them, which is a key to the passive

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, the chance has gotta pass on - it would be super confusing to most people if it didn't imo

[weary hamlet]

then again, it may as well be bugged, or be some (un)intended interaction

sh it's wild in this game

[shut escarp]

sorry I got lost a bit, do we have a confirmation that spark charges critting will proc meteors from belt?

[nimble shoal]

And that's the thing, stats conditional to the player (such as attribute scaling and per mana cost effects) are snapshotted on cast and passed down through subskills

[nimble shoal]

Yeah they definitely will

[harsh abyss]

I mean yeah, it would definitely be easier if the spark charges worked as expected, heh. It's just that we've been told that they don't 😝

[nimble shoal]

I don't think Mike ever said that subskills wouldn't inherit the spark charge chance

he just said triggered skills won't proc the passive ability

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but subskills are triggered. Did he just mean triggered specializable skills?

[nimble shoal]

More technically, subskills are just skills that are cast by another skill

it's not the same as direct vs indirect cast

[harsh abyss]

Skills being cast by another skill is literally an indirect cast though?

[nimble shoal]

It's not though, since if a skill you directly cast then casts other skills, you've directly cast those also

[harsh abyss]

...

That's not how words work though. Because you haven't directly cast skills that were cast by a skill you cast 😝

The skill you cast cast that skill

Not you

[nimble shoal]

In the game, that is how it works

[harsh abyss]

I mean, that's probably why there are so many problems with it, it's not clear how it works.

[nimble shoal]

Like meteor is already a subskill by the time it actually deals damage

[crisp lintel]

for frostclaw there is no reason to go runic over sorc now or?

[shut escarp]

one more thing, does the new sorc mastery passive work for triggered skills that have mana cost?

the belt consumes meteor mana cost, but does this mean that that triggered meteor benefits from sorc passive

[harsh abyss]

Unknown, but that one will be pretty easy to test since meteor's damage numbers are so large

[nimble shoal]

It never has in the past, probably still won't

[shut escarp]

hmm so they will do much less dmg than selfcast

[harsh abyss]

25-50% yep

[rocky anvil]

From what I can tell, RM is still the king of elemental penetration... But only for its runic invocation, thus frostclaw has no gains. Unless one of the new unique items could carry over Runic Invocation's bonuses over to other skills...

[shut escarp]

I guess it's gonna be self cast meteor with occasional more meteors from belt via crts and spark charges

[lyric gyro]

can i still go frostclaws AOE in 1.1??

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it didnt really get nerfed unless you were doing the max trigger build.

[eager sparrow]

Arcane current must be new falconer 1.0 that cleared mobs in 5k corruption 3 screens away. Or can be just a passive. It's all will be known only when we can test it in game. And now we can only hope that EHG even have some kind of QA. But after falconer...

[rotund bloom]

Think I got my long term cycle starter Sorc planned out, anyone wanna give some feedback?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olYXX0qA

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (93)

General:

▸ Health: 1,042, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,053, Regen: 23/s
▸ Ward Retention: 482%, Regen: 159/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 93 Int / 7 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 69% / 133% / 104% / 88% / 65% / 76%
▸ EHP: 3,384 / 3,193 / 3,384 / 3,629 / 3,384 / 3,076 / 3,384

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 341
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (714)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ Arcane Momentum (5/5), Flame Ward, Lightning Aegis

Used skills:

• Static Orb (26)
• Lightning Blast (23)
• Static (24)
• Flame Ward (25)
• Focus (23)

Used unique items:

• Seed of Ekkidrasil
• Triboelectra
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Oceareon
• Strands of Souls
• The Invoker's Static Touch
• Stormtide
• Stormcarved Testament

[rotund bloom]

Obviously the Legendary items are generous to say the least lol

[harsh abyss]

I always try and do Minimum Viable Product for league start builds. Getting the perfect gear/legendaries is always a challenge.

[rotund bloom]

Fair, I think we can ignore the LP items then. More so looking for feedback on like skills, passives, and uniques chosen

[glossy mountain]

So from flame ward what i notice is you have 3/5 infusion. I would say make it 1/5 and then put 2 points in "through flames" because it gives flat spell damage

Also are you trying to crit or not really?

[rotund bloom]

Not specifically, I figured build enough to crit relatively reliably (especially with so many hits going off), but didn't make it a main focus

[glossy mountain]

Gotcha, also was wondering, did you consider fusion blast in your static orb tree? Since im assuming your going to rely on spark charges for damage. static procs LB with zap. And fusion blast says the next LB chain after using static orb. It could add more hits since your making LB chain to one target

[rotund bloom]

Oh, for some reason I thought it was only direct LB casts, that's a good point

Ill take some points out of Orbital and Storm Conductor

[glossy mountain]

Your main damage is spark charges right?

[lofty sinew]

Frost Claw, Sorcerer OR Mana Stacking Meteor Sorc?

[rotund bloom]

Yeah, originally was going for Static Orb being the main damage, but honestly, spark charges are just easier to scale here with this setup

[glossy mountain]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdKk7eKA

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (73) / Runemaster (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,162, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 2,148, Regen: 37/s
▸ Ward Retention: 586%, Regen: 225/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 71 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 275% / 60% / 78% / 61% / 79% / 64%
▸ EHP: 1,489 / 1,489 / 1,289 / 1,637 / 1,300 / 1,489 / 1,335

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 232
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,082)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Meteor (26)
• Focus (20)
• Arcane Ascendance (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Flame Ward (21)

Used unique items:

• Harbinger of Stars
• Transient Rest
• Frostbite Shackles
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip

[glossy mountain]

This is my meteor mana stacker, if anyone can give me some feed back

[pastel quiver]

You don't need any crit chance on gear if you pick up World Ender.

[glossy mountain]

I thought this, but ineed to maintain 400 current mana no?

so 3-4 of my meteors before i go negative wont be gurantee crit

[pastel quiver]

Always crit when above 400 mana

Which will be most of the time if u have like 2K+ mana and lots of regen

When u pop meteor you should be above 400

[glossy mountain]

what is the mana sustain? looking at my sheet its 42 mana/sec. Whcih means i need to use focus to get my mana back. And how i put points in focus, it looks like i get alot of mana back when i go negative on my mana pool

[shut escarp]

48% of mana recovered if you cast once per 3 sec

rest you recover by natural means in these 3 sec

[glossy mountain]

ok let me redo this with 400 mana gurantee crit. If i can sustain mana easily, then yea def

just mana sustain is whats scary to me

[shut escarp]

also I dont understand these phantom rings, the only thing you get is % mana

can you not get like flat mana or something on normal rings

for meteor to do max dmg from sorc mastery you only need it to cost 100 mana

[glossy mountain]

flat crit

removing one ring drops my crit for 100% to 74%

[shut escarp]

you dont need flat crt

cos you have 100% crt while above 400 mana

[glossy mountain]

Yea the planner i sent, im not using that node

[shut escarp]

change them to some exalted sapphire rings, you still hav over 2k mana and more mana regen

and you can get some % spell damage or just INT

and cold res on suffix for more cold overcap for retention

if you get cold res+ele res on two sapphire rings (T5) you get like 150% more ward retention from gloves

[glossy mountain]

im make another build with that node

the whole reason i didnt take the gurantee crit is because maan sustain. the gurantee crit is when you have 400 current mana. so if you cast meteor at 399 mana or less it wont crt. And mana sustain isnt looking great since my mana regen/ second is 42.

I may be missing something or not understanding, but it looks like ill have to cast focus once i do go below 400 mana, which means i gott change some focus nodes im currently using

[shut escarp]

yes but if you have 2k mana, your meteor costs 140, and you have 40 natural regen

you can cast like 25 meteors before you go below 400

if you cast 1 meteor per second with 2k mana you can roughly cast 20,61 meteors in a row

without going under 400 mana

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's basically my plan as well. Have enough regen that I have plenty of time to cast way more meteors than necessary before running OOM

[shut escarp]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVkpkYOQ

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (73) / Runemaster (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,162, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 2,045, Regen: 38/s
▸ Ward Retention: 769%, Regen: 214/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 86 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 139% / 386% / 96% / 78% / 61% / 79% / 64%
▸ EHP: 1,489 / 1,489 / 1,489 / 1,637 / 1,300 / 1,489 / 1,335

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 232
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,082)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ Craterborn

Used skills:

• Meteor (26)
• Focus (20)
• Arcane Ascendance (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Flame Ward (21)

Used unique items:

• Harbinger of Stars
• Transient Rest
• Frostbite Shackles
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[shut escarp]

oh sorry I didn't calculate 20% refund mana

so with that 20% refund from passive skill that's 32,25 meteors in a row, casting 1 per second

with the setup above

[glossy mountain]

32/25 meteors?

[shut escarp]

32.25 so if you round down thats 32

its just calculation

[glossy mountain]

oh sorry lol

hmm ok

ill make something with the gurantee crit and repost

Harbinger of stars or strands of soulds for my belt

[simple jewel]

Arcane Current only counts on skills you directly cast right?

[nimble shoal]

If you're going to direct cast meteor, no need for harbinger of stars

[glossy mountain]

Does cast speed make meteor fall faster?

im assuming no?

[harsh abyss]

No

[simple jewel]

Isn't 40 mana frost claw an insane way to generate spark charges?

[ebon sierra]

meteor or frostbite sorc 😩 cant decide

[weary hamlet]

possibly, but is it better than static orb, ice barrage or volcanic? Needs to be tested

[terse folio]

is it better to go static orb or meteor?

[glossy mountain]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7x1z3zo

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (80) / Runemaster (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,002, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 2,034, Regen: 39/s
▸ Ward Retention: 840%, Regen: 226/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 83 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 398% / 78% / 78% / 54% / 79% / 97%
▸ EHP: 1,249 / 1,249 / 1,249 / 1,357 / 1,032 / 1,249 / 1,249

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 200
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (908)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Meteor (24)
• Focus (20)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Teleport (20)
• Arcane Ascendance (20)

Used unique items:

• Frostbite Shackles
• Transient Rest
• Strands of Souls
• Throne of Ambition

[glossy mountain]

Okay this is looking alot more solid defensive wise, im holding 4.1k ward

[harsh abyss]

I feel like you'd use FC with Ice Barrage, since IB lasts for like 6 seconds and keeps shooting out shards.

[weary hamlet]

sure you do cause the ballista tree, while nerfed, still offers synergy

[craggy aspen]

Cannot decide between Glacier and Frostbite for endgame! Or build to play with all the changes in 1.1

[light meteor]

cant go wrong with glacier

and then let the drops decide if you go meteor or static orb!

[weary hamlet]

let Orobyss take the wheel

[harsh abyss]

How do you know if a piece of void gear is best for your build or not? Check to see if it's the OroBIS

[simple scarab]

gl to anyone playing glacier 🤣

[worn shell]

Go glacier until you get what you need for a 1k mana build.

[dark jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5DWoklVx4

[minor wasp]

I'm trying to put together an SpellBlade Ignite build, just to be different. Is Conflagrate in the Enchant Weapon tree worth it or is it better to just let the DoTs run?

[radiant vessel]

You 100% want conflagrate

[sand schooner]

Consumes are bonkers

[glossy mountain]

@grizzled lily I just saw your build on YT. This thing looks nuts

[minor wasp]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0PXGWvQ here is my base, would love input

[jaunty widget]

Guys one question, on this new cycle. I will lose my character?

Like, Ill need to create a new one?

[bleak wind]

They get moved to Legacy server, to play with the season server you need new characters,but content wise boths servers should be the same

[harsh abyss]

Note that for this cycle, the new content is also going on the legacy server

[bleak wind]

Just Pinnacle bosses will be available one week later on legacy servers.

[jaunty widget]

So, if I want to play like I played last couple of months. I'll have to create a new character when the new cycle starts or I'll play in a different 'world' with my old character right ?

[harsh abyss]

Sort of yeah, It won't be any significant material difference though.

[harsh abyss]

Like, playing on the legacy cycle or whatever it's called won't make it so you're missing skill updates or anything. You just won't be able to fight the pinnacle bosses for the first week or so.

[nimble shoal]

If you play trade faction, being in the legacy economy vs. cycle economy is a fairly significant difference, too

[harsh thistle]

I actually can't see any advantage in being in cycle, like, apart from being in the ladder if that's important to you

[harsh abyss]

Toast makes a good point about the merchant's guild wanting to be during the cycle

But if you play CoF? NBD

[harsh thistle]

right yeah I'm CoF

[harsh abyss]

Then unless you're planning to race down the pinnacle kill, you'll be fine on your previous characters

[craggy aspen]

I see a lot of builds saying mana stacker, what does this mean? I assume it means stacking mana

[toxic sky]

any spellblade builds survive/get buffed from the patch? i saw shatter strike as a skill and thought itd be cool and wondered if it would be cycle startable

[harsh abyss]

Basically, there are builds that get extra bonuses for stacking your mana. Meteor has a node that makes it auto-crit while you have more than 400 mana. Static Orb has a node that adds damage scaling based on maximum mana, etc. Sorcerer has a few passive nodes that were added/altered that give bonuses based on mana too. Mana Shell gives you ward per second based on max mana, Mana Bulwark gives converts a portion of the damage you take to your health into mana, etc.

Mana stackers stack these bonuses for a bunch of added offense/defense.

Sorcerer specifically is now super good for mana stacking because of their mastery bonuses and those nodes. But you can probably do it with Spellblade/Runemaster with the right setup too.

[harsh abyss]

Overall I think spellblade has been buffed. You should be safe to start it and kinda figure out how you want to build along the way.

[toxic sky]

ok thank you, gathering info everywhere for what i wanna cycle start. ty homie

[wispy rune]

anyone else been cooking any meteor builds? interested in what people are planning for it.

[wispy rune]

too add, sorc got multiple nodes that now triple their effects if over 1k mana

[sour wind]

https://youtu.be/v676Q4DQxWo?si=B8RmGb5Zze8hSyGD

Curse just posted 5

Not all of them are meteor tho

mana stacking static orb seems nutty

[rocky anvil]

Don't forget that when you start it out, that it'll be squishy. A ton of nodes that provide defensive buffs rely or benefit on melee attacking the enemy. Therefore, things like increased melee attack speed double/triple dips into a major defensive buff too. (i.e. melee attack procs 2-3 passives which generate ward, but the melee attack procs frost claws too, which, when taking the right nodes, also generates ward... the melee attack, depending on which you use can also have ward generation... flame reave and shatter strike both have ward generation nodes. So literally, a single melee attack can generate like 500-800 ward, which is incredible sustain. Attack speed also means more flame auras which means more elemental damage (from passive stacks)... attack speed also means more mana spent (and maybe generated depending on your nodes taken), which dips further into your mastery bonus that gives you ward for mana spent... it's a very vicious cycle but you need the gear first to get the ball rolling.

[toxic sky]

ok what do you suggest to get rolling then?

[ruby bluff]

what do we think of this version of the sorc int/mana stack. does it have potential?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6x4geGB

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (65) / Runemaster (28)

General:

▸ Health: 1,066, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,027, Regen: 16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 448%, Regen: 174/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 118 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 35% / 59% / 57% / 17% / 44% / 62%
▸ EHP: 1,561 / 1,294 / 1,561 / 2,101 / 1,147 / 1,388 / 1,602

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 213
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,684)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Static Orb (28)
• Lightning Blast (24)
• Flame Ward (20)
• Flame Rush (24)
• Focus (20)

Used unique items:

• Triboelectra
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip

[harsh abyss]

Enigma is probably not your best bet there. With the way you have static orb specc'd, it's going to spend a significant amount of your mana pool with each cast. That means you aren't really going to be popping that many spark charges. If you want to do a Spark Charge build, you'd want to get your mana cost as close to 40 as you can, then boost your cast speed so you can spam spells super fast.

If you're not that worried about the spark charges, there are a lot better offhands you could use.

If you're planning to bounce back and forth between your lightning blast and static orb to regen the mana, you might want to focus more on that branch. You could snag the Lightning Aegis passive from LB instead of SO to make it so you can refund your orb's mana cost more reliably.

I'm also not sure why you're wearing Phantom Grip at all? Is it for the flat crit? You'd definitely be better off getting a crit catalyst and using rings that actually benefit the build.

If it's for the 8% mana, you'd be much better off with a couple Font of the Erased.

[karmic cradle]

any idea about any broken build to play?

[weary hamlet]

most ignite builds on other masteries will go out of their way to pick conflagrate, that's how good it is

[weary hamlet]

economy that presumably this time around won't be f ucked up by rampant inflation caused by bots and duping

[weary hamlet]

SS seems to get a small net buff, surge got indirect buffs through improved passives in the tree, flame reave is still bad. You now have more synergy with frost claw so perhaps that can be added to some of the more proc based builds. Vessel builds should be significantly better in comparative terms as their competition was largely nerfed into the ground (600k ward paladin builds and the like). There is no reason why you can't cycle start on sb, it's not the most demanding to highly specific itemization.

[weary hamlet]

the most obvious candidate is static charge VO/barrage/frost claw/SO, whatever turns out to be the best applicator (I guess it will be barrage + claw)

max mana static orb is already strong AF and it seems to still be strong enough to have warranted a preemptive nerf

[proven dome]

So the mana potion thing is only an experimental prefix?

No other new ways to gain quick bursts of mana?

[dark jay]

glacier with 1% mana on crit node is good for sustaining mana in maps

or do the teleport mana tunnel tech

[minor wasp]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0PXGWvQ can anyone check my passives/skill point choices and let me know what they would change for an Ignite build?

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (26) / Spellblade (62)

General:

▸ Health: 956, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 171, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 88%, Regen: 61/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 22 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 187% / 41% / 65% / 23% / 23% / 24% / 24%
▸ EHP: 954 / 712 / 868 / 637 / 628 / 632 / 632

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 191
▸ Armor Mitigation: 5% (99)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Enchant Weapon (Passive)

Used skills:

• Flame Reave (21)
• Firebrand (21)
• Surge (21)
• Enchant Weapon (21)
• Flame Ward (21)

Used unique items:

• Eye of Reen
• Eye of Reen
• Calamity
• Sunwreath
• Sunwreath
• Omnis
• Fiery Dragon Shoes

[barren nacelle]

Which sorcerer is better, Meteor or Lightning Blast? I can't decide on the starter.

[weary hamlet]

meteor is probably going to be better, especially since closed circuit was (finally) nerfed

[nimble rover]

yo. what is prediction? meteor or static orb+glacier(for mapping) ?

[tacit linden]

+1 need help!

[vale tartan]

At the party in the Corner :
"Nobody realizes that Dark Hole is also a Cold Spell that counts for the Bane of Winter Unique "

[dark jay]

9 ball says meteor is good

static orb will still be broken for single target bursting

but i'm keen on making meteor work by itself

[shut escarp]

but bane of winter is for javelin or melee attacks

[vale tartan]

like Mana strike , but the Flat melee will also count to the base damage

Void Winter bolts have 600% ADE (added damage effectiveness) and they scale with Attunement and Dex .... hmm

also ho can you overcap Ailment application ?
1% more Voidwinter Bolt Damage per 10% uncapped Time Rot Chance with Melee Attacks
would that mean everything above 100% ?

[rocky anvil]

Anything. so even your first 50% counts

It mentions "uncapped" to clarify that it doesn't matter whether you're capped or not (Same goes for resistances for some unique interactions)

[spare glen]

hahah maxroll deleted disintegrate guide, i guess the rework was that bad

[weary hamlet]

no no you totally have a mana scaling more damage node! (checks notes) behind a 60% less damage one

anyways I'm gonna force fire disintegrate, it will also likely be sh it

the only somewhat interesting part is that you can maintain level 3 disintegrate without ramp up, but that's more than a little worthless for clear since they removed the mana regen on kill node. Good for bosses where you need to reposition for mechanics though.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah this one feels like a weird choice, especially with the changes to mana regen while channeling. You need like 2000 mana to counteract the 60% less damage node.

[hot stream]

So I know that Glacier leveling is the go-to for Mage/Sorc but if I'm going to be leveling with twink gear (2/3 LP Firestarter Torch + Clarity and some other stuff)... is there a better option that is fire based? I was thinking about just going fire ele nova until meteor. But if someone has better suggestions, let me know!

[cerulean plinth]

Do you think the lightning version will just be straight up better? I'm wanting to go disintegrate too but I'm not sure which version to do

Lightning and fire both look cool

[weary hamlet]

idk I'm too lazy to plug everything into excel but unless you are at like 3k mana the lightning version doesn't seem to be much better, if at all

[young gust]

Leveling as ignite (torch, soulfire, calamity and maybe the set rings) is one of the easiest things you can do in this game. Fireball with embers or frostclaw both work fine, use elenova (type doesn't matter) to apply spreading flames to packs from keepers camp onward.

[weary hamlet]

fire has another 15% more multi in sorc tree, and you can get easier access to fire shred from auras (although the difference is marginal)

[cerulean plinth]

Gotcha, all g. Was just curious. I'll prob go fire too

[weary hamlet]

also you are still using ingivar's so might as well just go with fire

even at a minimum crit investment it's going to be around what, 30-50% more

[young gust]

them teasing the 1% more dmg per 8 mana node without teasing the 60% less node was a scam and a half

[harsh abyss]

GGG-level bait, for sure

[weary hamlet]

well they did mention it in the patchnotes

also the main problem of lightning is the "free" fire pen from craterborn, which you can also use with mana tunnel as a mana management tool

[young gust]

I instantly started figuring out how to apply lightning ailments but with 60% less dmg and 60%? less rate whats the point 😦

[ruby bluff]

yeah it was for the crit and the mana. Figured they would be actually good with some LP

[young gust]

on the upside lightning meteor gets 80% more dmg, granted you have near 30ish points https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ8WLx8A

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (66) / Spellblade (5) / Runemaster (22)

General:

▸ Health: 1,216, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,200, Regen: 21/s
▸ Ward Retention: 476%, Regen: 130/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 11 Dex / 119 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 45% / 22% / 45% / 22% / 22% / 23% / 23%
▸ EHP: 1,227 / 1,035 / 1,227 / 1,145 / 1,035 / 1,042 / 1,042

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 243
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,170)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Meteor (30)
• Teleport (23)
• Focus (23)
• Flame Ward (24)
• Mana Strike (24)

Used unique items:

• Vilatria's Storm Crown
• Unstable Core
• Vilatria's Downfall
• Harbinger of Stars
• Blood of the Exile
• Nihilis
• Knowledge of an Erased Mage
• Julra's Stardial
• Julra's Stardial

[cerulean plinth]

The build tool is updated for 1.1 right? Might mess around with it before launch

[weary hamlet]

sure but why would you use meteor for damage in a disintegrate build

[weary hamlet]

always had been

[young gust]

oh right the firepen is global

my b

[weary hamlet]

yea you use it as a utility spell for craterborn, and since fire disintegrate costs mana and there is nothing else worthwhile in the meteor tree, you go for the mana refund build

and I guess now with dodge the increased teleport cooldown is even less of an issue

[young gust]

Yeah truth and facts

[cerulean plinth]

Evade is gonna be so sick

[harsh abyss]

I think the way to do lightning disintegrate would be to make Lightning Blast cost mana and only chain to the main target, and then use Static charges to also cast it. So you're casting 2 LB's per second to stack up shock.

Since Disintegrate costs no mana, you can sustain tier 3 no problem, and probably the LB casts as well.

[young gust]

Shock stacks to 10 and that's an incredibly easy number to hit tbf

[weary hamlet]

yea but is it even going to be better than manually casting LB? Disintegrate also doesn't scale with most of the stats you want for LB

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[weary hamlet]

and if you want to trigger LB for some reason why not use the dagger?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I dunno. Maybe it would work well with Glass Cannon? If you have no mana cost for Disintegrate, you could afford to get a ton of "Damage to mana before health" without worrying about running out of mana

[hot stream]

Thanks, I was just going to use 2 arboreal rings for the move speed, but I'll take a look at those suggestions!

[harsh abyss]

Could use that to counteract the downside from Glass Cannon by having more defense, another 120% more multi is pretty strong

[young gust]

anyplace you can slam a t6+ ele dmg over time mod is huge as well, highest value dmg increased affix in the game

[weary hamlet]

tbh I don't think that this is a major problem if you also have some ward (aka you don't use the crown) and with a large enough mana pool

[harsh abyss]

40% more damage taken is... a lot t hough

Even with most damage converted to mana, you're gonna take some big hits

[woven moss]

Playing glacier sorc is unethical

[gloomy topaz]

seems like lightning blast spark charge spam build is dead with closed circuit nerf 😦
can't have enough crit with Enigma

[weary hamlet]

forsake lb, embrace one of the numerous 40+ mana applicators

[gloomy topaz]

yeah but I really like spamming lb

[rocky anvil]

I am hoping this one also gets updated for 1.1 even though there's no patch notes for it and lastepochtools still mentions this 😦

[harsh abyss]

Mike confirmed that Insidious conduction's wording wasn't updated and still says you don't regen mana while channeling, so it's possible Flamethrower is the same way.

[rocky anvil]

I see, that'd be cool. I like the super traditional oldschool fireball and that it has so many new flavors in LE

[sleek elbow]

Seems like a lot of people are gonna be starting sorc this patch

Mage, sentinel, and primalist

[cerulean plinth]

I thought about rogue multishot but I played rogue last patch

Trying something different this time

[wheat marten]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/allies-mana-stacking-meteor-sorcerer I havnt played in a long time. Do you think this is gonna be a good build?

[silk pewter]

Allie's Mana Stacking Meteor Sorcerer Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class

Mage / Sorcerer

Used skills

• Meteor
• Focus
• Flame Ward
• Teleport
• Arcane Ascendance

Used unique items

• Harbinger of Stars
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros
• Frostbite Shackles
• Transient Rest
• Throne of Ambition

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Cycle Starter / Beginner / SSF / Ranged

Created by Allie · Jul 7, 2024, 3:11 PM

[next nest]

yep

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, very likely

There are gonna be lots of variations to it as well

[viral pond]

I'm expecting like 40-50% of the playerbase to go sorc ngl..

[harsh abyss]

I dunno, lots of people excited about FG and Shaman builds too. People like the dual shields 😝

[cerulean plinth]

Shamans got a lot of love this patch too

[vale tartan]

Laser Focus and Twin Beam wont cancel each other out right ? means Laser Focus has Prio over the other

[weary hamlet]

should still have no cost

as mechanically the "no channel cost" is likely a 0% more channeling cost modifier

so it will blank any additive cost increase

[harsh abyss]

Be warned that using them together is a -60% and -30% damage decrease, so it might make your damage just complete garbo.

Two beams that do crap damage will still do crap damage.

We were talking about how you need 2000 mana (250% more) for the Hyperfocal node to make up for the damage loss from Laser Focus

[weary hamlet]

two beams is always dps positive though

[vale tartan]

i wont use Disintegrate for its own damage , im gonn use it for Fireball and Static Orb shenaigans

70% + 70% = 140%

[harsh abyss]

True, but two beams doesn't do anything for the spell trigger nodes. If it's just a spell delivery mechanism then Laser Focus is definitely your best bet.

[vale tartan]

yeah i noticed that , gone now for static charges , Fireball and Static Orb

Laser Focus just for more mana mitigation , dont know yet how much mana all the triggered Spells will gobble up

[simple jewel]

Ok so you also think claw + barrage with arcane current will be good

I guess I'm not the only one haha

it has to be good it's a disgusting amount of spark charges

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, even just barrage by itself will be a crazy spark charge generator.

Enigma builds eating good this patch too

[simple jewel]

FC is 30 spark charges per cast I think + 12% per hit

• the Barrage synergy

[sleek elbow]

Yeah. All the content creators are showing off mana stacking builds lol

[vale tartan]

Frozen did the maths and had 25 charges for the first hit

[harsh abyss]

I'm looking forward to the videos of 100000 fireballs spewing out after the channels end.

[simple jewel]

isn't it 5 projectiles 6 casts

I haven't played mage yet in LE

[weary hamlet]

people who started playing in the era of frost claw have no clue about non-frost claw skills basically

[vale tartan]

That was my plan , mocked up a pre 1.1 version in singleplayer

[weary hamlet]

barrage had historically been quite good

[weary hamlet]

it's max 6 fireballs per cast and only once you stop channeling

[simple jewel]

How many hits per second can it do?

[vale tartan]

after 3 seconds -> 6 individual Fireball casts and it should use the whole fireball tree so thats 30 fireballs spewing everywhere

[cerulean plinth]

Holy

That sounds sick

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it's gonna be pretty good

[weary hamlet]

16 iirc at maximum fire rate

[vale tartan]

its also no target since Fireballs are homing

[weary hamlet]

plus the frost claws you are spamming on top of it, another what, 10-15?

[simple jewel]

yeah that + FC sounds pretty crazy

[vale tartan]

and the ones that pirece might be all able to hit the same target .. again

[simple jewel]

now how do you maintain your mana

I just just focus

[weary hamlet]

VO can max out at around 30+ hits per cast as well but its cooldown will be over 1 sec in most builds

[simple jewel]

and you give up on flame ward

[weary hamlet]

unload then focus if your mana pool is large enough

otherwise idk even, mana strike still feels ultra bad

[simple jewel]

yeah that's what I was thinking

btw how do those passives work on focus?

I'm guessing it's only while focus is active

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it's while focus is being channeled

[simple jewel]

Ok that sucks the ward passives seem better then

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, if you're only planning on channeling while safe, definitely focus more on ward passives than defensive ones.

[weary hamlet]

while channeling only

but since you are picking between kinds of sh it for the last few points in the focus tree, might as well pick up one of these DR nodes that matches whatever ailment you can most reliably apply

especially if you have the incidental + skill effect

[simple jewel]

I could be wrong but I feel like enigma builds only want like 1kish mana to triple archmage more doesn't seem worth like with SO

[ruby bluff]

Not sure how to spend the last couple of skill points on this one, hmm
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWz9VN2A

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (65) / Runemaster (28)

General:

▸ Health: 1,215, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,178, Regen: 19/s
▸ Ward Retention: 540%, Regen: 189/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 141 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 52% / 65% / 27% / 44% / 28% / 66%
▸ EHP: 2,050 / 1,833 / 2,050 / 1,927 / 1,592 / 1,414 / 1,914

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 243
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,752)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Static Orb (29)
• Lightning Blast (25)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Flame Rush (25)
• Focus (21)

Used unique items:

• Triboelectra
• Prismatic Gaze
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Font of the Erased
• Font of the Erased
• Knowledge of an Erased Mage

[weary hamlet]

sure but you might also consider the defensive benefits of stacking mana (within reason) for damage to mana effects, of which we now have quite a few

[simple jewel]

yeah of course I mean if you can get more it's always good

but don't think T7 mana everywhere makes sense like on SO builds

[weary hamlet]

I haven't done the math yet but I guess the optimal build would be some kind of a hybrid ward/mana tanking

nah obviously SO has much more direct mana scaling

[brave sable]

Woah, that is one of the best build guides I have ever seen... and just made me decide to start with that (instead of Shaman) 😄

[surreal arrow]

catch is to get all the gear needed for 3000-3500 mana lol

difference between 1500 and 3000 is colossal

[harsh abyss]

3000 mana seems like a hard push, most builds I've seen stop at 2k

[surreal arrow]

yh I'm just sayin' :D it really starts ramping the closer to 3k+ you are

[weary hamlet]

yeah you really have to minmax bases and uniques to get there

[shut escarp]

I don't like the boots in allie's build, you gonna be oom every 4 seconds

too much standing still channelling focus xd I will use that as template tho and change some stuff

thanks

[harsh abyss]

The boots don't remove your mana. They just add that amount as ward

[shut escarp]

ok I didnt know that

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, if they did that, it would suuuuuck

[shut escarp]

ye, the boots have a lot of res, and movement speed

so I thought that there is an obvious downside in that ward mechanic

but it has no downsides

[zinc pewter]

anyone made a planner for spellblade using the new 2h axe? world splitter

[harsh abyss]

I haven't seen one, but it should be relatively straightforward to put together a Flame Reave + Surge or Shatterstrike tree for it.

[minor wasp]

I assume it would be relatively easy to make a max mana crit build with that axe

[stable terrace]

does anyone know if the ice barrage shotguns if you take wintry blast the 4 extra projectiles per cast?

for FC+barrage spark charge reasons

[weary hamlet]

no

[stable terrace]

darn, 100 spark charge application dream dashed

[simple jewel]

haha yeah that's kinda bad then

[harsh abyss]

Huh, I'm just realizing there aren't really any other good caster gloves other than Frostbite Shackles and Swaddling of the Erased

[stable terrace]

i guess just take fire rate, homing, piercing then

[stable terrace]

i guess time for the LP ravenous void dream with nemesis eggs now?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the nemesis eggs are a big change to LP on rare-LP items. I just hope the eggs aren't mega rare.

[stable terrace]

i actually think they 're going to be supre common, i think at level 100 you're guaranteed to have an egg?

the problem is i suspect they will probably make the item LP upgrade chance related to the lp level so it still might be super rare

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, very possible

[weary hamlet]

aren't they 100% once you get to the rank was it 6 in the knights faction?

[stable terrace]

"The chance of this item appearing scales from 0% below level 60, then 20% at level 60, up to 60% at level 100.
Rank 1 of the new Forgotten Knights Faction provides an additional +40% chance for the Egg of the Forgotten to spawn."

[weary hamlet]

maybe it's rank 1

[stable terrace]

so yeah 100% chance to appear at lvl 100

[weary hamlet]

this is most likely

[harsh abyss]

Ah yeah, that's great then. I didn't look too closely at the Knights faction.

[weary hamlet]

and the range of possible rolls on just adding an affix is so high that it might be practically not very useful

[harsh abyss]

The pinnacle boss might make me actually play characters closer to level 100

[stable terrace]

yeah its probably more likely to add a junk affix than a real ?LP

but hey, a super strong unique getting additional small buffs with a chance for godly item is a good change anyway

more aspirational stuff and non-lp uniques you pick up aren't useless

[harsh abyss]

I mean, still better than them just rotting in the stash (or on the ground)

[stable terrace]

do you guys think ladle will still be the way to go for spark charge sorc? i'm not sure the increase cast speed is as useful when trying to spam 40 mana skills

but wrongwarp also got nerfs

[simple jewel]

I'm currently

wondering the exact same thing haha

[stable terrace]

i mean ladle is easier to get and still a more multiplier, and you get flat damage from enigma anyway. but i'm just imagining been oom all the time

or actually claw might be a lot better for FC, its a bummer LB got huge nerf though

[simple jewel]

not sure what you even drop to go claw LB

[stable terrace]

because +base crit

yeah it is the problem, maybe unspec teleport

since we have evade and not relying on mana tunnel big spell

but not having flame ward is rough too

can makes focus traversal skill actually

[simple jewel]

one thing that's nice about claw is it even gives lightning aegis

beyond any dmg it does

and procs

[stable terrace]

yeah, problem is uptime isn't reliable when i tried in in the past

max 30% per second so woudl take like 3-4 seconds to trigger

[simple jewel]

yeah true

[stable terrace]

might drop ele nova? it's great for clear but i guess not a huge part of single target dps

and tbh the VFX is eye cancer

alternatively i guess you can get two of the +crit rings

idk using gaze for crit just feels bad

[simple jewel]

with claw it should be quite easy to crit cap

or close to it

[stable terrace]

yeah that would be the main benefit of claw, ladle is probably more damage though

[weary hamlet]

I'd be more concerned about no flame ward

[stable terrace]

yeah flame ward is probably essential now since no CFC invoke anymore 😦

[weary hamlet]

it's always been essential really

[eager sparrow]

How claw gives aegis?

[minor wasp]

Can someone explain how to use focus without feeling like it's completely interrupting the flow of my massacre

[stable terrace]

claw triggers LB, which has a chance to give aegis

[eager sparrow]

You need to spec LB though...

[stable terrace]

tbh the best way is to use the OOM cd focus nodes

and only tap it or channel 1 second when oom

[weary hamlet]

close your eyes and attempt to reach zen

fail

get butthurt about having to channel focus for 15 seconds

[minor wasp]

It's such a bad spell for an ARPG

let's completely stop and channel a non-damaging skill

Like.....no

[stable terrace]

its not too bad if its a short channel or tap but the standing there with slow regen is meh

but shaman wishes they even had channel lol

i was thinking of going avalanche shaman but then realized it literally has no way to gain mana

[harsh abyss]

Channeling it for 15 seconds to regen a 2000+ mana pool definitely sucks, heh

[stable terrace]

yeah but tapping it to gain 40-50% of that isn't too bad

[weary hamlet]

tbh stance dancing is superior to channeling focus as a mana regen mechanic

[stable terrace]

yeah but stance dancing feels even worse than focus

[minor wasp]

Is mana strike with the ranged node and the node that gives it a cd but much more mana not better?

[weary hamlet]

you still get your 6 seconds of suck

but you actually do something during it

[stable terrace]

you sit there for 5 seconds doing literally nothing

[minor wasp]

Just hit it on CD?

[weary hamlet]

instead of just staring at the screen

and in some builds the form skills can be productive like tornado/bear druid

[stable terrace]

but yeah in general some not feels bad ways to gain mana would be nice

[weary hamlet]

aint got that in le

[harsh abyss]

If they allowed that, people would just "solve" mana and never think about it, like in PoE

[karmic vapor]

Shaman can drop in spriggan form and instantly refresh all mana

[floral maple]

do you guys know a good content creator / site to copy a good build for runemaster 1.1?

[harsh abyss]

I'd guess that there aren't too many runemaster guides being put out, seems that most content creators are focusing on the new content/updated classes. But you could check out https://www.lastepochtools.com/ to be sure.

Runemaster got hit by a bunch of (justified) nerfs, but most builds from 1.0 should still be functional.

Some might even be more functional because of bug fixes 😝

[floral maple]

ohhh i see, so what's a good class in 1.1? i really have no clue

[vale tartan]

just test stuff out that you like

you can only be a new player once

[harsh abyss]

Yep, @vale tartan is right. Last Epoch is balanced so that you can try stuff out and do pretty well. The early game is fairly forgiving and respeccing is pretty easy.

[floral maple]

i played the game when was released, i really don't want to play another boring class like warlock

[vale tartan]

And as it looks now , many things are similar in strenght and usefulness

[harsh abyss]

Lol, well everyone has a different opinion on what boring looks like, so who knows what skills will be good for you 🤷‍♀️

[vale tartan]

15 masteries with at least 2 builds , much to choose

could ask in #❔┃ask-the-community what their plans are and what they think could be interesting to explore

[full bluff]

Anyone think perma freeze of bosses will still work?

[rapid hinge]

no

[nimble shoal]

For many bosses it'll still work, just probably not any that are really worth doing it on

[full bluff]

What changed?

[nimble shoal]

Some bosses are getting a max freeze/stun duration, so you won't be able to freeze them for multiple seconds with snap freeze anymore

[full bluff]

Hopefully they managed to fix it this time, I always thought it strange that mages had a single skill that could perma freeze any boss, making bosses not really matter 🙂

[nimble shoal]

Yeah I hope so, too. They fixed acolyte's version of it a few versions ago, too.

[zinc pewter]

anyone made a spellblade build using bane of winter?

[vale tartan]

i still think of the Winter spear and that Black hole is a Cold Spell with a Physical Spell damage component

[harsh abyss]

You can also convert Fire Aura to cold, I wonder if getting a good chunk of your melee damage added as spell damage would be good for that

[nimble shoal]

At its best, the spear gives you spell damage roughly on par with a staff

[vale tartan]

the thing is Dark Hole with the far right node is an actual Hit , Fire Aura isnt

[harsh abyss]

I mean... sure? Not sure why the hit itself is important though. Added spell damage still applies to DoT spells

[harsh abyss]

True, but you can roll attack speed on spears, so maybe that helps it be valuable.

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, very fair point

It also casts those bolts for free and allows you to ignore cold res (just saying, shatterstrike scales with dex)

[surreal arrow]

Both math and devs say it probably won't. You would need absurd amounts to make bosses freeze for even one second now.

Think Mike said something along the lines its more of an interrupt for bosses now rather than stun xD

[surreal arrow]

FrozenSentinel on yt, he also lurks here 👀 lit vids and guides backed with numbers

[hard pike]

anyone got thoughts on meteor sorc after the changes?

first and only character i've played was a lightning runemaster (i tried lb, static orb, and runic invocation for offenses--ultimately settled on lb/RI, with most damage coming from brand of deception)

[astral trout]

It looks fun but Im not sure if its viable at high coruption

[rocky spindle]

I plan to start this for new cycle, allie on yt put a well written guide for it and it sounds really viable for any content

[minor wasp]

Frostclaw Spellblade still looking MVP for SB? Stack Int and prosper

[astral trout]

Yeah I think they buffed frostclaw right?

[hard pike]

yeah, considerably

i only made it to like level 72 or something in that neighborhood, not quite all the way to empowered monos (i started on like friday)

i did feel pretty strong with my lightning build(s) though, and could see myself just doing it again

interested in branching out as well, though

[rocky spindle]

The game is very forgiving if you want to tweak towards your own playstyle, some passives are just to good to ignore and the rest is just based on your scale tags tbh

[carmine hazel]

SB could be more broken than sorc Meteor

chance to proc meteor from crit works on ALL meteors or only on that proced from this intem ?

if I cast meteor can still proc next one from crit or not ?

[harsh abyss]

No, only meteors you cast can proc new meteors. Procs can't proc additional ones

[carmine hazel]

cool thx

[vale tartan]

not sure what the internal CD of the belt is but the Belt Meteor wont be able to proc more Meteors

[carmine hazel]

so

2 diffrent ansers

.....

[harsh abyss]

It's not an internal CD, it's just that procs can't proc additional ones. It says that in the text on the proc

[vale tartan]

a triggered spell wont be able to trigger another spell unless its explicibly mentioned or intented to do

[carmine hazel]

ok

[harsh abyss]

It says "does not include crits from meteor itself" which means the triggered meteors, not ones you cast directly

[carmine hazel]

ok

thx

[vale tartan]

like now with the Avalanche procs Earthquake procs Avalanche on Primalist

[harsh abyss]

The wording isn't super clear on this one, yeah

[floral maple]

thanks!

[vale tartan]

we can summon Frozen by chanting "FrostClaw is mid " for a while 👀

[surreal arrow]

👀 monak fukkin s

[magic nacelle]

as a heads up, mike said on stream it'll be more like an interupt on bosses, than a freeze, because of how short the max duration will be

so its very unlikely theres any perma cc for bosses, even in a group of 4

[lyric gyro]

can i play offline this time??

[waxen halo]

guess not

[harsh abyss]

Yes, offline will always be available to play

[severe token]

Can anyone explain to me what the tag on Crest of Unity entails "Elemental Nova is always Tri-Elemental" does that mean it doesn count as a specific element anymore e.g. you cant proc a skill that requires you to cast say a fire spell ?

[harsh abyss]

No, it's more like imagine you had it unspecced. You'll never do the Lightning Nova, it will always be the "base" one that is fire, lightning and cold. So you it still counts as a fire spell for proccing, and it counts as a lightning and cold spell as well.

But you'll never get the bonuses from the specific nova nodes (like the higher crit chance from the lightning nova)

[glass wadi]

For those of you who roll your own builds using a build planner, what do you start with first? Passives?

[wicked mist]

I wonder if frost wall and ice barrage are needed on mana glacier. maxroll has it other don't.

[surreal arrow]

dr on crest is so juicy :< rly want both crit from Prismatic Gaze and that too rip

[harsh abyss]

I usually start with an ability or unique I want to build around, and see how everything else filters into it.

Like, think about how you want to built it? Hit? Ailments? Crit? Are there synergies you can use from other uniques or skills? And then it all comes together over time into a build.

[severe token]

So basically none of the "specific" nova tags will work anymore ?

[glass wadi]

Appreciate that, I'll give this approach a shot

[harsh abyss]

Well, it will have ALL of them. It's just the initial nodes that won't do anything. Like you won't cast a Lightning Nova. But all the nodes behind it actually apply to all Elemental Novas, so you can still apply spark charges, get the bonus area/crit, Overcharge, etc.

[lyric orbit]

How does mana stacking sorc get back mana? Is there any options apart from the crit node in glaciar?

[harsh abyss]

The Archmage passive, Static Orb has a method to refund when you cast Lightning Blast, Meteor has a refund over time node... there are a few varieties.

Mana Tunnel in Teleport is also a good way to get a free expensive spell.

[severe token]

ah I see, so wont cast the "variant" that has 20% more crit strike chance

[harsh abyss]

Exactly. Each of the elemental variants will be disabled, and your damage will be split between the 3 types as if it were unspecc'd

But there are also some other benefits to it. Like if you use Crest of Unity with Unstable Core, it'll add +3 levels to Ele Nova, in addition to its other legit bonuses.

[severe token]

that was legit how far i got in my planner have unstable core and crest of unity xD

and one of the new uniques which requires me to cast different elements, and then i got confuzzled by crest of unity

[wicked mesa]

Does the "Lost knowledge" passive proc with channeling?

if so, how often? Once a second?

[nimble shoal]

Just so you know, the variant effects are a lot less exciting than they sound. That "20% more crit chance" is base crit chance. Same with the fire nova's "11% more hit damage. They literally amount to +1% base crit and +2 base damage.

[nimble shoal]

No, it procs on skill use. So, if you have a channeled skill with an upfront 40 mana cost, it'll proc when you start channeling. The channel cost doesn't matter

[harsh abyss]

File that one under "Things that feel like they should be a bug"

[harsh abyss]

If you somehow got a T7 level of ele nova affix on a +6 levels crest of unity, you could feasibly get a level 40 elemental nova with the new wand. Pretty nutty.

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, the wording is definitely misleading

[severe token]

Which wand?

[minor wasp]

So I'm looking at Frostclaw Spellblade and I don't see how using World Splitter and stacking int/mana would be better than Dual Wielding Humming Bees and stacking Ward, also giving access to the Iceblink and Cold Steel nodes.

[severe token]

ahh ye that one, plan was to try and build around Celastial Doom, it seems cool. But maybe im griefing myself hard by using a 2h

[harsh abyss]

Totally depends on how you're going to build and what you like to do, really.

[severe token]

Well not very far into the proces, plan is get a bunch of mana and use elemental nova combined with it :>

[weary hamlet]

highly unlikely, it's got nothing worthwhile going on anywhere in its tree or skills

[carmine hazel]

wow

[weary hamlet]

you are thinking about it from the wrong angle for LE. It's not what you need, it's what you spend your extra slots on. You have glacier cause that's what you use and you have flame ward cause you are a mage. Now you have three slots with one of them probably still going to the movement skill of your choice. You are left with two slots that are empty. You can spec barrage into a sort of temporary DPS buff skill. What is other alternative?

[weary hamlet]

that and focus are the only viable methods really

mana tunnel meteor is good for memes but realistically it's what, around 100 mana once every 6 seconds?

mana strike is 140 every 4 sec

[weary hamlet]

once per starting to channel a spell

if its initial cost qualifies

[wicked mesa]

ty

[severe lintel]

anybody have recommendations for runemaster cycle starters? planning on playing gale brand of deception but I need something to do campaign and farm the gear in monos

[weary hamlet]

pretty nutty that a skill at 40 points can be this mediocre

[carmine hazel]

yeah dont go with runemaster

[proven haven]

I agree, you really need a lot of AS for it to feel decent

[stable terrace]

theoretically if the archmage passive works, it'll refund about 140 mana (extra 14% if you have 300 max mana) for a 210-220 mana cost meteor

[woven moss]

Is it true glacier sorc is unethical to play in 1.1?

[stable terrace]

i guess it seems mana strike and focus give you more mana overall but if you're playing a fire build meteor at least gives you craterborn

[minor wasp]

So then are we not just playing the 1.0 Crit FS Spellblade still? I think I'll stick to trying to make Ignite SB work

[stable terrace]

glacier mana stacking is going to be pretty great

[weary hamlet]

Yeah if you are using meteor for the buff then you might as well use the mana tunnel mana regen tech

I'm going to run that on my fire disintegrate build for instance

[stable terrace]

oh yeah of course you're using mana tunnel, i assumed that's what you were talking about

[weary hamlet]

But if your meteor is your primary spammable skill it just doesn't cut it on a large mana pool

[stable terrace]

yeah mana refund is only if you're using meteor as mana generator, not damage

[weary hamlet]

To the point where you might want to spec into glacier for mana regen, or suffer with focus

[stable terrace]

once you have top gear and enough mana, glacier triggering harbinger meteors will be pretty spicy

[weary hamlet]

tbh it's a tough sell with the current ignite applicators available to SB, and lack of ignite focused passives that say sorc has. At least I've never seen a satisfactory ignite SB planner, nor been able to make one.

[weary hamlet]

also the belt itself serves as a decent source of mana, better than basically anything save for focus and glacier

[stable terrace]

potion chugging routinely feels like could be rough but it does give you essentially a second battery againsit bosses

[minor wasp]

Challenge accepted 🙂 I'll let you know when I fail

[lone prairie]

Why are people going Sorcerer instead of Runemaster in 1.1 for Frostbite Frost Claw?

[glossy mountain]

spark charges prob

[weary hamlet]

I might get to that.. some time into the league. Eventually. Probably not of course, who am I kidding, hundreds of other builds are higher on my list of sh it to try

flame reave is just extremely weak as an applicator compared to something like idk VO or fireball or glyph

and firebrand ain't anything to write home about in this regard either

[lone prairie]

Which one is faster for speed farming between those two?

[sweet silo]

The one thats faster obviously..

[minor wasp]

I can see myself getting frustrated pretty fast. Firebrand as an enabler feels clunky.
Might have a look into a static stacking SB but I've spent so long looking at the LEtools website I need a lie down right now 🥹

[weary hamlet]

static sb? the ole good free static surge build?

[stable terrace]

does anyone have opinions on volcanic orb? dread seems to think it's a great cycle starter but VO has always seemed to be a ton of mana for not that much damage. also seems reliant on the decreased speed idols

[proven haven]

Dunno I think you want to hit fast whatever you end up doing and with new nodes we crit cap very easily as SB. Only issues is dealing with mana now but shouldn't be too bad. Maybe humming bee since we don't need dragorath crit. Swap out LB for flame rush with frenzy and a bit of ward on use idk

[stable terrace]

curious but VO potentially could be a great spark charge applicator with lots of hits but

FC still seems like could be better

[weary hamlet]

dread used to sh it on VO in all forms and I kept telling him that it's at the very least decent, it only took him what, 3 years to get around to it

actually I think VO is gonna be pretty legit even without specific buffs cause it now has 50% more from sorc passive

[stable terrace]

trying to decide on cycle starter leveling build before get up to mana stacking or spark charges

too many options lol, meteor vs glacier vs disintegrate vs VO

glacier was always the choice but goddamn so boring now

[weary hamlet]

I'm just gonna be raw dogging disintegrate from level 1

14 or whatever it is

[weary hamlet]

as to this we have basically three major options now, spammable SO with small orbs (either rotating or not), VO, and IB+FC. Which of these is going to be meta is up to anyone's guess, I think it will be IB/FC

some or all of those might also have bugs/issues with charge application, not even the developers are entirely sure how it should work

gotta test literally everything

[stable terrace]

yeah if IB/FC work it will be hard to beat, just so many damn hits

[weary hamlet]

around 30/sec which is comparable (but a bit ahead of) VO if all VO subskills will trigger it

VO's issue is the cooldown really

it can be reasonably reduced to what, 1,2-1,3?

[stable terrace]

yeah idk why VO has both a high mana cost and CD

[weary hamlet]

it was made in 2018, that's why

[stable terrace]

isn't the mana cost supposed to balance the need for CD...

it does give good d2 frozen orb flashbacks with the short cd too lol

[weary hamlet]

same reason why it has this complex interplay with move speed even though the only correct option is to always go for slow orb

[stable terrace]

yeah part of what makes me not want to cycle start it is youre not that likely to find teh slower orb idols

[weary hamlet]

it was designed ages ago to a very outdated paradigm and not meaningfully updated since

you don't really need the idols

you just pick the slowing down nodes

although if you pick literally all of them, it will be too slow

you want to hit the middle when the orb isn't stuck in your own model, but doesn't roll out of the mob's model

[stable terrace]

i guess in dread's video it has almost 0 mvoespeed which lets you stack it a bunch of times on a boss

but yeah then clear meh too

[weary hamlet]

eh the clear isnt bad but it's certainly not the most convenient, gotta group up the mobs

I guess nothing surprises me in this regard after having played brigand in EQ where I had to CC and backstab every single mob cause otherwise 90% of your skills literally didn't work

[crude ember]

i guess every sorc build will prioritize mana gear?

[stable terrace]

yeah, mana stacking was expensive before since relied on a bunch fo legendaries and now is gonna be meta and hella expensive

[woven moss]

Glacier sorc op

[weary hamlet]

not literally every but most of them, yeah

[stable terrace]

spark charge stack int instead so i'm probably gonna try that first while all the other shamans and sorc buy mana

[hard pike]

what changes are making mana stacking so strong now?

[weary hamlet]

multiple passive nodes that scale off mana, mana scaling nodes in several skills, and easier access to mana as a defensive layer through new passives and uniques

like the new helmet

[stable terrace]

improves your defense a bit off mana and also reduces mana cost once get to 1k

also damage buffs with higher mana costs

[marsh furnace]

archmage is godly

[stable terrace]

meaning that you will want more mana to take advantage of it, along weith skills that already scale off mana stacking

[crude ember]

what helmet?

[stable terrace]

seed

[marsh furnace]

mana stacking is what makes sorc unique from other masteries

[stable terrace]

of something i can't spell

[weary hamlet]

its a pinnacle boss drop though

[marsh furnace]

this is literally melted heart of selig

and I love it

[weary hamlet]

and it's also likely better on druid

[woven moss]

Basically you go glacier. Then you get mana. Then you win?

[stable terrace]

melted is way way stronger though

[weary hamlet]

then again everything for some weird reason is better on druid

[crude ember]

ahh

[marsh furnace]

that’s cuz the game is unbalanced for it

[crude ember]

damage dealt to mana is 1:1 ratio?

[stable terrace]

75% DR in d4 lol

5:1 ratio

[weary hamlet]

5:1 as usual

[stable terrace]

can you imagine 75% DR in an item slot in last epoch?

[crude ember]

wtf

op

[stable terrace]

unfortunately it's not even that good in D4 because everything is a DPS race in the billions and you lose too much dps to... run 75% dr?

it's crazy

[marsh furnace]

yeah if they had infinite difficulty scaling like corruption it would actually be good

[stable terrace]

they do have infinite difficulty scaling with the pit but the problem is it basically just scales the health exponentially more than the damage

vs corruption scaling you really need to survive first

[marsh furnace]

meteor,glacier,static orb all perfectly viable with mana stacking yeah?

[weary hamlet]

always had been, people just kept ignoring it cause lol 100k ward runemaster

[marsh furnace]

I meant infinitely damage scaling, not health

like in corruption it’s both

[weary hamlet]

and admittedly crown doesn't allow you to have ward, while this (and the passives/relic/etc) do

[crude ember]

true lol

[harsh abyss]

Yeah it's probably way better than crown because of that.

[stable terrace]

it's just sad, can you imagine seed being like a relic or something and you could still run fractured crown?

100% damage to mana with endurance

[weary hamlet]

big wonder why they didn't want to allow that

I mean yeah judging by the state of balance in 0.9.2 or 1.0, why not

[woven moss]

Can damage to mana take you into the negative mana?

[weary hamlet]

no

stops working when you run out of mana

[woven moss]

Nice

[stable terrace]

while they are at it they should move vessel of strife away from being a relic so you could still run shattered lance

why not infinitely scale one stat for both damage and survivability?

[weary hamlet]

big trap DA marksman vibes

B for balanced

[woven moss]

I cooked up the most cooked sentinel build ever using seed. Time to break the arena ladders again.

[weary hamlet]

you are so lost mate, did you know that this game has four other classes?

[woven moss]

Four other fake classes you mean

[stable terrace]

i mean they're pretty much all mage

sentinel? healing hands mage

shaman? avalanche blizzard mage

[harsh abyss]

You don't need crown for that.
20% - Sorc Tree
48% - Seed Legendary with T7 Prefix
30% - T7 Chest Prefix
9% - Erased Mage Relic

107% damage taken as mana

[weary hamlet]

NNNNOOOOO I will have my totally mundane, non magical melee class! Like (checks notes) forge guard

[weary hamlet]

wait what, let me double check the affix values

[stable terrace]

holy crap the dream is real

[harsh abyss]

I just did it in the planner. It'll be tough, but you can get there.

[stable terrace]

although boy will you get that in a whole cycle worth of farming lol

and the monkeys paw is you lose a bunch of affixes for mana

[harsh abyss]

Only 2 affixes, technically. You could still get to 2k mana probably.

[hard pike]

how does damage to mana interact with ward? treat ward as hp for that purpose and hit mana first?

[weary hamlet]

wait no, the chest affix is 21%

[stable terrace]

hmm, and then just build aman and endurance, no health/ward at all

[sand schooner]

It hits ward before mana

[hard pike]

oh, nice

[weary hamlet]

still 61%+28%+9%

[sand schooner]

It's damage taken to mana instead of health

[weary hamlet]

unless you use crown, with which you do overcap it

[harsh abyss]

T7 chest affix says 24-30%?

[weary hamlet]

wait nvm I forgot the coeff

[stable terrace]

honestly getting to 100% probably isn't worth but i forgot you get 20% from passive

[surreal arrow]

oh boy... I'll actually delete this lolol

[stable terrace]

at least strong mind is still there

[sand schooner]

You're right, it's actively detrimental to take 100% to mana last I knew.

[weary hamlet]

also while we are at it, when we are down in the endurance threshold we are still double dipping endurance with the helmet, right?

[harsh abyss]

The endurance applying to mana might be insane for tankiness.

[stable terrace]

endurance doesn't apply to mana even if below threshold anymore

it used to when fractured crown was the king

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, if you can apply the affixes to the new chestpiece as well, getting the End Threshold as ward threshold is also nutty.

[stable terrace]

i guess double dipping in that, you get 60% less with health

[harsh abyss]

That's what the new helmet does though.

[stable terrace]

and like 20-30% with mana

[weary hamlet]

it does with the new helmet

[stable terrace]

yeah i knew that, i meant it doesn't double dip, it just applies to both at different strengths

idk maybe not the right team

term*

in d4 double dipping means a multiplicative dipper for both

i.e. 60% endurance x the 20-30%

[weary hamlet]

yeah, your damage taken to health gets reduced via endurance, then the amount of damage transfered to your mana gets reduced via endurance again

I'm pretty sure that should still work

[harsh abyss]

I'm sure someone will figure it out

[stable terrace]

yeah i don't think it double dips like that, it divdies teh damage to mana and health separately and then applies the endurance separately

i guess we don't know but based upon how they nerfed endurance before it shouldn't do that

[surreal arrow]

thats not how endurance works tho? it kicks in when you fall to endurance threshold aka first 40% of ur health/mana never gonna be protected

[weary hamlet]

I'm pretty sure that it doesn't work like that, as that would imply that pre-endurance amount of damage is transfered to mana which I'm pretty sure isn't the case

[surreal arrow]

its just if ur mana gonna be constantly below 60% its gonna be a great buffer

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but with the new chestpiece, you'll want to stack endurance threshold, which would probably boost the mana endurance as well

But we'll have to see how well the interaction really works, anyway

[stable terrace]

it is the pre-endurance amount of damage transferred to mana. endurance used to reduce teh amount of damage taken as mana but it no longer does

it was nerfed in 0.9.2

[surreal arrow]

I'm too r-worded to understand this interaction without playing with it ingame and seeing it firsthand xD

[harsh abyss]

It's definitely a weird/complex interaction

I'm sure some madman will diagram it and make youtube videos about it

[surreal arrow]

yh cant wait

[harsh abyss]

I'm sure it'll come with ideal breakpoints for how much "Damage taken from mana before health" you actually want, with videos of it being virtually invincible and clearing 2000 corruption or something.

[weary hamlet]

well it did clear 10k corruption back in 0.8.4, with pre-nerf SO, charged ground, and this endurance interaction

[sand schooner]

Yeah but it was cringe gameplay

[weary hamlet]

that's what peak LE performance looks like

although wasnt there some guy who did 25k corr in offline on blasting knife mm

giga balanced

[harsh abyss]

More like what peak ARPG performance is like. Theorcrafting invincible builds to do endless content to insane numbers is a time honored tradition at this point.

[ocean mauve]

is this understanding of harbingers correct?

1. for your first character, harbingers basically unlock at the exact same time as empowered monos
2. you have to kill timeline bosses in all 10 empowered timelines, followed by the harbingers, to unlock the pinnacle fight. You'll have 10 eyes guaranteed at this time for entry
3. after the first harbinger kill, each timeline boss kill is followed by a harbinger fight (even if you're not going up in corruption). each harbinger fight has a chance to drop an eye.

[harsh abyss]

That sounds right, but this probably isn't the best channel to get that sort of info 🤷‍♀️

[ocean mauve]

yeah, asking devs

[harsh abyss]

We're just here to talk about wizards 🧙‍♂️

[vale tartan]

🌈 🧙

[hushed yew]

hey guys im new to last epoch and currently playing runemaster and following builds from maxroll, which build do u think is stronger, hydrahedron or plasma orb?

[harsh abyss]

Both are super strong from what I've seen. Plasma Orb looks way cooler though, so you shouldd go with that.

[astral trout]

What builds is everyone starting with for the new cycle tmr?

[harsh abyss]

I'm planning to go right into a Vilatria Meteor mana stacking Sorc, with some oddball side stuff added.

[astral trout]

I kinda wanna do a meteor build too

[harsh abyss]

Meteor's biggest problems classically is that Sorcerer had low defensive options. With the buffs to their passive nodes, they'll be a lot more survivable early, so lots of variations of meteor builds will likely be good

[next horizon]

static orb here ofc

[hallow violet]

im going glacier but wonder how different/better or worse meteor will be

[astral trout]

Is anyone intresting in climbing arena next cycle?

I want to get on the boards but dont think I could do it on solo so was thinking about doing it in group

[robust gorge]

Im thinking about starting spellblade or sorc now that RM right-side passives are nerfed

need to double check how much defense those two are getting now

[robust gorge]

i will probably climb solo again

but also i can't nolife the game like last season due to work

[astral trout]

How far did u make it last time?

[robust gorge]

i was #1 mage last season in HC

[astral trout]

no wayyy

really?

thats so cool!

What build did u use?

[robust gorge]

mana strike runemaster

spark charges

[next horizon]

arena nobody does that

[robust gorge]

its hella nerfed but actually got some buffs

the dps is higher when geared but it lost defense

i think this meta is gonna be all hybrid health/endurance/armor builds

endurance was already as strong as the strongest non-bugged ward builds last season

and it wasn't nerfed coming into season 2

[next horizon]

how is static orb

[harsh abyss]

Static Orb does crazy burst damage

If you like big kaboom, it's great

[simple jewel]

Not sure if I want to play spark charge sorc prob fc + ib or static orb + coc meteor

[harsh abyss]

I've been thinking about a "Max mana stacking" build that uses Mana Strike, Static Orb (Charged Ground), and Meteor so that they all ignore crit chance scaling and only need crit multi

[hollow bolt]

is there a way to auto cast static orb to orbit around you

[proven haven]

@robust gorge there it is, you asked and here is my league start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDFooDWruI

[vale tartan]

😱 shameless self promo /jk

[proven haven]

I have shame, don't worry

[vale tartan]

what did your new calculations say btw for spark charge application ?

[proven haven]

about 30 spark charges per click

[vale tartan]

And we are sure that they dont have an internal CD on how many times per second they can actually be applied right ?

[proven haven]

I haven't seen anything indicating that is the case, I asked in #ask dev and Mike said the mana cost was the balancing factor there

and I also got confirmation that recasts still count as the same skill and will apply

(unlike triggers or subskills)

[grand field]

How about a Frost Claw + Elementla Nova RM build? Have there been a lot of nerfs?

[proven haven]

@grand field the AoE node in nova was nerfed, but I tested without the node and it is still totally fine. The Gift of Winter node also nerfed in FC tree, but you can build around it by giving up Volley of Glass, which isn't a big deal for Nova FC. You also lose some free ward gen in RM and the general ward nerfs, but it should still be enough.

[weary hamlet]

it should absolutely apply to subskills, if it doesn't (which I wouldn't be surprised to learn) that's a bug

spark charge is equivalent to say shadow daggers in mechanical function, and those have no issues with subskills

[proven haven]

@weary hamlet #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

I guess it could go either way

[weary hamlet]

What if I told you that over the last 3 days both cyborg and Mike gave contradictory answers to this very question, multiple times?

somehow I doubt that the mechanics change just as frequently

[proven haven]

yea I am not surprised

[weary hamlet]

Also Mike used to be chronically wrong on SD too

Only testing will tell what actually works

[proven haven]

Multiple testers have said it should work on recasts

subskills / triggers I guess we aren't 100% sure

LizardIRL yesterday said it should work with recasts, and he does a lot of mage testing

[weary hamlet]

yea we'll see, I'll give it a test tomorrow or on wed

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it'll be easy enough to test

[proven haven]

probably want to have a test char ready to go before committing to a build I guess

[stable terrace]

thankfully should be really easy to test, put passive points in, don't even have to spec like VO or IB

[weary hamlet]

I'll just respec my old sorc

I think I even have one offline from back in the day if the server stability is crap on patch launch

[simple jewel]

@proven haven quickly saw you said 30 sparks per click

I assume you also got 30 sparks for FC

FC + IB has to be crazy right?

we're talking like 30 sparks per FC click + 10-15 from IB per second + elemental nova sparks

• fragments procs on all that

[sand schooner]

While you guys plan real spark builds I'll continue in the corner muckin about with Surge because it's funny

[proven haven]

What is IB @simple jewel

too many acronyms for me

[simple jewel]

Ice Barrage haha sorry

[proven haven]

IB is a trigger, unlikely it will work

[weary hamlet]

you manually cast it

[simple jewel]

well you can hard cast it

and refresh it

[proven haven]

yeah that might work but I don't think it would give more sparks, no?

[simple jewel]

and FC makes it fire faster

how come?

it's 40 < mana

[proven haven]

Wouldn't you get more sparks by just continuing to cast FC?

[simple jewel]

well IB lasts 8 seconds

[weary hamlet]

IB sparks per cast is through the fuc king roof

[simple jewel]

so you're getting spark procs for free

basically

[proven haven]

interesting, maybe you are right

[weary hamlet]

you can shortcut it to what, 16x8 procs per cast

[proven haven]

I haven't played with IB

[weary hamlet]

so it's definitely much more valuable than one cast of fc

[simple jewel]

Look I haven't even played Mage haha but the buffs made me look into it

but it seems good

[proven haven]

can you re-aim it mid cast?

[weary hamlet]

no

it keeps firing in the direction you chose but it has limited homing

[simple jewel]

it has homing though right?

[proven haven]

ah yeah it does

[weary hamlet]

so think of it as hitting crap in an about 60 degree cone

[proven haven]

probably clunky for echo but maybe for boss

[simple jewel]

yeah prob only a boss thing

[weary hamlet]

it's actually not that bad for many echoes with narrow corridors

[simple jewel]

maybe on certain maps you can

[weary hamlet]

which is like most of em

[simple jewel]

yeah exactly

[proven haven]

I think the projectiles move pretty slow though yea?

Do they pierce?

[weary hamlet]

they pierce

and they are reasonably fast

maybe they reach the end of screen in 0.3-0.4 sec

[proven haven]

okay could be a tech yea

[harsh abyss]

Yeah they have some nodes that makes them slower

[weary hamlet]

there is a node that makes it super slow, don't take that

[proven haven]

Can you overlap multiple "rifts"?

like just dump them on a boss

[weary hamlet]

nah