🔱┃sentinel

[south ledge]

also good rolls

[warped helm]

no reroll today i guess 💀

what is happening with this game this season

it just dropped items on normal aberroth fight start

earlier it duped my currently worn helmet for no reason when i didnt even touch it

i didnt even hover it

suddenly i had another one in my inventory

im in online mode too

but now those items i saw were locked

... i dont even

[obsidian tide]

Anyone did a manastacking paladin with spirit xylem and devotion with great success?

[south ledge]

kinda A-Tier build I'd say

can do uber with a lot of investment

[warped helm]

i guess judgement is s tier but.. right thats not using devotion i guess

[warped helm]

people made it sound better than that, i thought i'd be upgrading from this ignite guy too lmao

[south ledge]

haha

let's see

will slam it on 2 LP undisputed

[warped helm]

glgl

[south ledge]

gucci

[obsidian tide]

Because it seems like going crit with 800 added spell dmg on smite (assuming around 4k mana), the dmg potential should be good. Spirit xylem is slow, but multistrike still being the best way to proc smite, it should be strong right?

[south ledge]

damn +300k dps

compared to this

[warped helm]

whats your build again

[south ledge]

forge strike bleed XD

trying to make shit builds work

my favourite activity

[warped helm]

really? melee with a staff over just doublecast/selfcasting it?

that was the main reason why i wanted to do it, get me off this tiny melee range vengeance guy

ok so every repeat normal abby kill the old loot just keeps showing up on the ground now

[wooden mountain]

try electrify?

paladin gets that for lightning

well, even better than that actually, it's just more lightning damage over time

[south ledge]

was about forgestrike and the crit multi -> phys pen in the tree

[warped helm]

oh great this aberroth garbage loot shows up in every echo now

what the fk is this

[wooden mountain]

ah ok, yeah don't try electrify forge strike

[wooden mountain]

I'd actually say this generalises more to don't try forge strike than don't try electrify

[south ledge]

😄

[wooden mountain]

not that electrify is great but forge strike is very primalist

[south ledge]

I like forgestrike, but its tree lacks a lot of multipliers

compared to judgement or erasing strikes

it's a meme

[wooden mountain]

forge guard gets two meme skills for the price of one with SW and Forge Strike

[south ledge]

smelters is even worse, true.

during lvling forge strike is actually fine now

the 600% added dmg multi is good early game

but the late game drop off is real

[alpine sage]

tried that. worse than hit version

[wooden mountain]

for which skill?

[alpine sage]

javelin

[wooden mountain]

shame, that's probably the skill it's best on

[alpine sage]

well problem is

crit multiplier just better in the hit version

[wooden mountain]

well electrify smite has a decent node actually, 15% duration & 15% pen per point

still that's probably best used by smite on throwing hit idols with javelin

[alpine sage]

hmm

maybe hit version is just better

[wooden mountain]

probably

[alpine sage]

but on the other hand

bleed hammerdin>crit hammerdin

[wooden mountain]

yeah but bleed has so much more support than electrify

[alpine sage]

bleed hammerdin just has... insane scaling

actually

[wooden mountain]

for one thing most of the electrify chance outside of passives & skills is exclusive to lightning skills which is only javelin & smite afaict while bleed can use almost any skill

[alpine sage]

if abyssal echoes could do the bleed instant dmg thing

then I'm sure electrify>hit

I don't know what EHG thinking when they only let the skill frontloads bleed

while there are a lot of dot alignments there

@wooden mountain actually the reason bleed hammerdin is better than crit hammerdin is that I can front fload bleed

so yeah bleed just has a lot more support

[alpine sage]

and I would say that, without the bleed instant dmg, then electrify>bleed

[timid iron]

Any tips to farm for anchor of oblivion. So hard to drop

[true raptor]

Just keep farming the timeline at as high a corruption as you can

Only thing you can do really

[warped helm]

no relics and the immortal vise's keep bricking instantly

[warped helm]

a triple and a natty 2lp woo

[full oasis]

whats the best build for Sentinel im currently at almost 1000 corruption

[quaint hearth]

Warpath or Erasing Strike

[wooden monolith]

and time rot

and paladin judgment aura and rive vk

and i forgot ignite paladin

[timid iron]

I tried to farm confluence at 300 corruption I got owned bad

But hell this game is so fun

[alpine sage]

Damn, right now I just want a skill that can do electrify pop

We have ignite pop in mage, bleed and time rot pop in sentinel already

Where is electrify pop?

It is a total waste for electrify paladin without electrify pop

[alpine sage]

@wooden mountain this is what make crit javelin paladin so strong https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIwThQ

by having 5 omen idols with this affix and an idol altar with "increased prefix" and "increased prefix and suffix" I can have 318 throwing critical multiplier

[arctic loom]

Will the "chance to slow attackers" line affect the time rot multiplier?

[leaden yoke]

no

[alpine sage]

something is wrong with holy trail

didn't the node say "this has no effect if you have taken the siege barrage node"?

so why is javelin still on cooldown when I take the node?

[frigid zenith]

I guess the no effect only refers to the holy trail effect itself

[alpine sage]

btw guy

since we have no electrify pop

so between electrify duration and electrify chance

which is better?

[alpine sage]

Hi @mellow totem for electrify javelin paladin, I wonder if turani's bident is better than an exalted t8 spear/axe

with turani I can use the Permanence of Primal Knowledge gloves for more skill points (since javelin are very skill point hungry)

with exalted t8 axe I can slam "bleed chance when wielding an axe" affix to get increased electrify chance

[wooden mountain]

T8 storm champion not appealing?

you wouldn't need idols for smite on throwing hit, idk what the next best options is

[alpine sage]

my current problem is, turani's bident gives an insane amount of electrify pen

I'm not sure if other weapons can give such

[wooden mountain]

You get a lot of pen on Javelin already don't you?

not that it's bad but it's diluted

[south ledge]

Multistrike smite is the best electrify build imo

I built that in season 2 and it was pretty decent

Just take 2 Aurelis with atk speed and try to get the crit multi corruption

Can share the planner later

[alpine sage]

yeah but that's only 150 pen

I also get 60 pen for electrify in javelin

[wooden mountain]

sounds squishy

well, as squishy as paladins get anyway

[south ledge]

Ye

And we can use immortal vise

[alpine sage]

@wooden mountain so 130 lightning pen is still non-trivial here

[south ledge]

Ticks on dummy were like 10m I think with my old build

[alpine sage]

but why would I go for electrify multistrike smite when I have void version?

is electrify version better than void?

[wooden mountain]

nah VK is definitely the best multismiter

[south ledge]

Still a very good electrify build

[alpine sage]

right now I just try to see if electrify jav can go further than hit jav

[south ledge]

I don't like javelin much

Throwing builds in general

[wooden mountain]

the electrify spread on healing hands is so nice for mapping that I'd want to use it on any electrify build tbh

which I guess multi-smite enables

[south ledge]

Can only recommend

Since it was enjoyable 2 seasons ago

[alpine sage]

but what makes you think it's better than electrify javelin?

[south ledge]

And both smite/ms are point hungey

And with 2 Aurelis you get +4 to each

So far I didn't see a better electrify javelin build

[warped helm]

made a t7 castspeed t5 spellcrit xylem, but the more i think of playing it the more im worried im not gonna enjoy the 4 target limit per cast

[alpine sage]

electrify jav right now I don't know the optimal weapon choice tbh

[alpine sage]

mistia has one

3 min uber

[south ledge]

Online ?

[alpine sage]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJWdA_WLIUE

[south ledge]

Ty

[alpine sage]

so far I don't see a lot of dot multi in smite

[wooden mountain]

sacrifice only

but you get a lot of hits, one of the lightning bolts from that node which adds +3 mana cost can hit the same target as the smite

[south ledge]

250% basically

Yep

Amount of smite procs is crazy

[alpine sage]

hmm

[warped helm]

multistrike singletarget is so fun now

[alpine sage]

but I'm still not sure how it compares to void smite tbh

I can scale a lot of vitality for void version

also

[warped helm]

that level 100 judgement paladin Father is not you is it? @alpine canopy

[alpine sage]

smite is attunement scaling

[south ledge]

I tried both and void seemed to have better survivability due to HP scaling with vitality and leech

DMG wise I'm not so sure

[alpine sage]

while I need to scale strength for crit multi

wait how did you not sure about DMG?

like did you not test dummy kill time?

[south ledge]

Oh I did

But long time ago

Only remember it was similar

In season 2 I did that

[alpine sage]

hard choice for multismite tbh

because I don't know which to scale

also

@wooden mountain I wonder if I should stack electrify duration or electrify chance

[wooden mountain]

on the idol enchantments?

not too hard to calculate it

[alpine sage]

there are three weaver enchantments

crit multi

electrify chance

electrify duration

[wooden mountain]

okay well if you have 100% electrify chance then 1% duration and 1% elec chance have the same value

if you have 200% chance and +100% duration already then they have the same value too I think

[alpine sage]

let's see

the total dmg would be

chance x duration x pen

right?

[wooden mountain]

yeah basically

[alpine sage]

hmm

I want to do a non pop dot build that is as good as blood wraith

ibh I don't know how blood wraith managed to have so much dmg

[wooden mountain]

(44)(skill multi)(chance)(duration)(pen)((2)(critmulti))(number of hits) I think

[alpine sage]

what is (44) and (2)?

[wooden mountain]

44 is the base damage of electrify dealt over 2.5 seconds and you get 2% more lightning dot per 1% crit multi

[alpine sage]

hopefully I can get something at least as good as hit jav version

@wooden mountain since the thing with hit jav is that I get insane throwing crit multi from idol

and also some flat too

[wooden mountain]

hit jav is good yeah

well, good-ish anyway

[warped helm]

is that still the rain version

with splits

[wooden mountain]

think so

[alpine sage]

yeah

[wooden mountain]

using the fractal tree spear

[alpine sage]

no

lightning has the split points already

[wooden mountain]

doesn't hit jav use that?

yeah I know electrify does but I thought the hit jav was phys

[alpine sage]

lightning

lightning is better than phys

phys gets around 116 phy pen from fractal spear+shield throw

lighning get 20% more dmg from abyssal echoes+36 pen from (decide lance+holy aura+passive tree)+15% more dmg from static shell+44 flat dmg from affix+16-20% more dmg from holy spear node+t8 lightning dmg from spear (compared to physical can only get t7)+112 corrupted crit multiplier (since lightning uses exalted spear so I can get more affixes and hence I can get 2 crit multi affixes, for physical I can only get at most 1 crit multiplier affix only)

@wooden mountain so no matter how you see it lightning is way better

[warped helm]

shame as soon as you go lightning bolt smite you cant use a single shred idol anymore

[alpine sage]

why shred?

[warped helm]

because im planning to play hit based

sigh still no shattered worlds and if i find one its just gonna not get lp, kinda dont feel like farming this a'hole boss with this char anymore

[waxen nymph]

With what?

Multismite lightning?

[wooden mountain]

yeah I don't get what you mean @warped helm about shred

[alpine sage]

now thinking back again

[waxen nymph]

My guess, they were planning to use armor shred on fire skill

[warped helm]

yes

because our idols are only melee shred or fire shred

i guess theres still the big ones with generic

[wooden mountain]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/affix/idol_sentinel_armor_shred_chance

what's wrong with these?

chance too low?

[alpine sage]

maybe I should use exulis with multismite

[wooden mountain]

not devotion?

[alpine sage]

why devotion?

electrify version

what's the point of devotion?

[warped helm]

the grands are omen idols only i think, or i legit never found any

[wooden mountain]

Oh thought you were talking hit

[warped helm]

yeah

[alpine sage]

If I use hit multismite then the only valid choice is void knight

[wooden mountain]

man there's so little global generic % inc (phys) and %phys pen for vortex pennant

[alpine sage]

tbh anyone sure that electrify multi smite is better than electrify javelin?

[warped helm]

k i guess if hit smite isnt doing it for me i can try fissure or judgement

[wooden mountain]

multi-smite does I think 4-5 smites per attack (more if you use aurelis) so 8-10 smite hits single target per swing, no proc limits involved.

javelin does up to 5 smites per second via idols plus all the javelin hits which are harder to quantify given the RNG involved with siege barrage and splits

[alpine sage]

but javelin's dmg multi is way bigger than smite

I mean, isn't electrify javelin's main dmg is the electrify by havelin?

I don't know how much does smite's electrify contributes

[slate solar]

Does the More dodge from the belt get applied to the armour conversion?

[south ledge]

4+1 smites per hit

[wooden mountain]

smite gets 75% pen & 75% duration & 250% more & ~100% more hits

Javelin gets 100% more DOT, 60% more dmg/-20% hits, 8% more lightning, 5-20% more, up to 6 hits single target (forks can't hit the same target can they?) as well as some pen & chance but no duration.

Duration idols are going to be really good for javelin compared to smite I guess

[south ledge]

Theoretically+1 with ms idols

[wooden mountain]

I was thinking 4 from skill tree/armament, 1 from idols, +1-2 from Aurelis

[south ledge]

+1 from aurelis

Even with 2

[wooden mountain]

rly? that seems like a bug

[south ledge]

The 100% doesn't add up

[wooden mountain]

ah

is Aurelis + Palarus better then or are the skill points more valuable?

[south ledge]

2 Aurelis was better in my testings

Also cuz of the electrify chance and lightning pen

[alpine sage]

hmm

[wooden mountain]

is the electrify chance on melee hit even relevant? you're not getting many actual MS hits are you

[alpine sage]

should I prioritize melee attack speed or lightning dmg for the affixes?

[south ledge]

I went for t7 melee attack speed and T5 ignite chance

Since it gets converted to electrify chance

But more importantly I tried to get high rolled Aurelis

[wooden mountain]

you should get a lot of % increased from ele dot affixes on rings, belt etc

[south ledge]

Yep

[wooden mountain]

I didn't realise you couldn't roll ele dot on swords

otherwise I reckon ASPD & ele dot would be better

[alpine canopy]

Nah, I haven't done a sentinel this season

[south ledge]

A season without sentinel won't happen for me I guess

[wooden monolith]

I tried both builds with 2t7 gear, killed ua with both builds, void smite had better dps (2' vs 4') and is less squichy. I didn t use 2x aurelis though caus of mana issue, used wand+ aurelis

[alpine sage]

yeah thanks

so electrify multi smite is even worse than javelin

and forgot that we have mana issue here

[wooden mountain]

yeah xylem self cast crit smite is the best paladin smiter afaict

[alpine sage]

so now back to the javelin problem

which will be the strongest weapon I wonder

[wooden monolith]

But don t you have mana issue ? In my testing i had to use a wand to make smite free, or i had mana issue

[wooden mountain]

forgive the off topic but thinking about how many hits per second various builds are doing reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKBpNkCFTZk
24 vine shots per second
vine shot duration 9 seconds
vine shot hits each target 3 times per second
vine shot hits up to 7 targets

24 * 9 * 3 * 7 = 4536 hits per second after ramping for 9s, 648 per target.

[alpine sage]

t8 spear or turani

[wooden mountain]

turani saves skill points doesn't it?

get more multis on the skill tree

[alpine sage]

no

well actually you are right

turani allow me to get the primodial gloves

which gives me increased skill point effect from legendary items

[wooden mountain]

ah I forgot it didn't give the forks

[alpine sage]

tbh I dont know how many forks are enough

I choose 2

javelin is exetremely skill point hungry

[wooden mountain]

with smite idols you might not need any for clear idk

[alpine sage]

idk smite even with lightning bolt has bad aoe range

[wooden mountain]

I think it's better than the effective range of forks from javelin isn't it?

they're mostly good for making packs explode when you drop a siege barrage on them right?

[alpine sage]

fork has actually very good range

I'm not sure about the smite range

[south ledge]

I played with blue feather band and foot of the mountain

[wooden mountain]

the projectile travels a long way but it's not that likely to hit is it

[wooden mountain]

how did blue feather band help? Most of the mana problem is from bladestorm and that's a consume not a cost so it doesn't help with that

[alpine sage]

I don't think 3 mana cost is a problem

the true problem is smite cost

I mean ladle only reduce SPELL mana cost right

so if ladle has no mana issue then it is due to smite, not bladestorm

[wooden mountain]

bladestorm is 12-15 mana per attack

[south ledge]

You still don't cut the cost to 0 with 2 swords so it does help, if even only a little

Felt a lot better when I tested

[wooden mountain]

Aurelis + Tribolecta

[alpine sage]

damn

[south ledge]

I don't know that's a huge damage loss

[alpine sage]

EHG still does not fix this one https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIzAMA4g

[wooden mountain]

what's broken?

[wooden monolith]

I didn t think of using it, used a wand with t8 crit multi ^^

[alpine sage]

the enchanted weaver idol effect does not work

In offline I literally have to cheat by forcedropping an altar with 2x this affix https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIwBgnATEA to have the same functionality

[south ledge]

Yeah blue feather band works really good in this build, since we generate our mana from the sentinel passive and don't bother much with the mana cut.

[alpine sage]

hmm

electrify javelin paladin is good, assuming this affix worked https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIzAMA4g

it just need lightning pop to one shot uberroth with offline gear

[alpine sage]

okay after minmaxing a bit with offline gear, electrify javelin and hit lightning paladin deal similar damage

hit lightning paladin is just slightly stronger

[warped helm]

i spoiled myself leveling with fissure smite, hit based does feel less good 😐

[wooden mountain]

rly? I feel like the lightning bolts are a huge improvement over fissure

[warped helm]

its still just 4 targets total tho, feels better with the t7 castspeed now i guess but still

tooltips are not trustworthy.. right?

[wooden mountain]

definitely not trustworthy for subskills and usually not for the main skill

[waxen nymph]

It doesnt scale with int
It doesnt scale with int
It doesnt scale with int

[warped helm]

lmao yes, meant in general the terrible dps estimate

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[warped helm]

@wooden mountain ok now with the speed it feels much better but tanky packed omens is like impossible to deal with sometimes lmao

[wooden mountain]

xylem smite?

yeah it would have been better for the 1.2 season mechanic than the 1.4 one

[scarlet thistle]

I've been leveling a VK and Time Rot + Shield Throw has been feeling great for the omens so far (low empowered still). Probably the best build I've tried for it so far

[warped helm]

yeah i mean timerot spreading is amazing

ok why did i just grab my corruption, lower it and am still stuck with 1000% dmg monos after

[wooden mountain]

rot ripples is the best non-single target damage boosting passive in the game as far as I'm concerned

[warped helm]

for sure

ok so my lagon echo is just fked now, its stuck at 1000%+ damage and this guy gets murdered by everything still

thats just great

k it fixed after another echo of just sniping mobs from afar ..

[frigid zenith]

what the hell is this node

5 points and 2s of standing still for one armor shred stack?

[austere frost]

You expecting more from one of the best skills in the game

[warped helm]

thors hammer over here, this affix didnt share cooldown with the idols did it?

[wooden mountain]

Think it does

[waxen nymph]

It does

Same stat

[wooden mountain]

If it didn't that would be kinda interesting

They could change one of them to 20 per 4 seconds

[frigid zenith]

bruh shield throw CD starts after the shield returns not immediately after cast 💀

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[frigid zenith]

looks like siege breaker is out for my face of the mountain ST build

downtime's just too much

man between colossus, the extra bounces and the 100% more damage it's such a large amount of buffs tho

[trail lynx]

Yup

[jagged flame]

@waxen nymph https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Rvada/character/Bombaclat

prob alot of things that are not optimal

[waxen nymph]

Before I open it
What is the goal of the build?

[jagged flame]

uh

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/judgement-paladin-guide

i just want to push corruption

preferbly smooth and safe

[waxen nymph]

Oo

1.1k hp

That's a big problem rn

[jagged flame]

i see

dont have many items that give health

[waxen nymph]

That's a problem 😅

You items are indeed very weak

You are in Empowered

[jagged flame]

could use this and get like 1.8

[waxen nymph]

You should start dropping exalted

[jagged flame]

''dropping exalted'' ?

[waxen nymph]

Purple items

With a tier 6 or 7 affix

[jagged flame]

hmm , i only use 1 purple no?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

You should be using more 😁

But yeah, quick fixes would be get hp and less resistance

You have a too much already

[jagged flame]

alright, ill look more more hp items

do i typically want %more hp or just + hp?

[waxen nymph]

Both
%hp tends to be better in the long run

Also idk if I would play that version of judgement anymore

The Aura one is imo far superior

[jagged flame]

just changed to this

whats the other one?

[waxen nymph]

There should be a guide on Maxroll

[jagged flame]

hmm okey, ill try that build later

[south ledge]

Crit version works well too now, due to idol altars and the jormun set.

[waxen nymph]

😏

[warped helm]

holy shit, now that im on the new build lol

[warped helm]

crazy reroll, gained over 400 mana from that

and life

[wooden mountain]

nice

[warped helm]

not a fan of meteor belt though, im just gonna judgement myself down and balance healing hands smite cost/gain to stay low

[wooden mountain]

does it take too long to drain your mana or something else?

I'd think with smite +lightning bolts you'd crit often enough to trigger it

[jagged flame]

got 2.3k hp now and the difference is huge already

tyty

[south ledge]

I did the same when I tested it lmao

But yeah meteor belt would be better

[arctic loom]

how can we check the time rot damage?

[wooden mountain]

use a dummy and just hit it once, count your tick damage & the number of stacks

[alpine sage]

@wooden mountain Hmm, I wish javelin was not skill point hungry

Since I just realized that wildfire ember exists

[wooden mountain]

lots of travel

[alpine sage]

I can have quite good electrify chance thanks to wildfire ember

But electrify javelin requires at least 29 points to work

And there is another competitior

nest relic

[warped helm]

quite often it pushes me over 20 into minus where i then cant cast for atleast 2 seconds

[wooden mountain]

I think maxroll use the smite costs 0 if you're out of mana node

[alpine sage]

@wooden mountain Right now I need EHG to fix this affix https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIzAMA4g

[wooden mountain]

I'm sure lizard & bina will get right on it

[alpine sage]

I don't get it

ah

sry wrong word

[warped helm]

uh ye screw that

[warped helm]

wait what? they dont work for ehg now do they

[wooden mountain]

nah maxroll should get off their asses and fix it

[warped helm]

oh

[wooden mountain]

he said right now I need maxroll to fix this affix

[alpine sage]

sry I used wrong word

just edited the text

problem is

[warped helm]

i'd love to use a 50%+ weaver affix altar on the ignite build for more duration tbh

[alpine sage]

this affix does not work https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIzAMA4g

[warped helm]

did a bit of dummy testing, so seems like lightningbolts do maybe like 50-60% of the smite damage

not too bad

which makes sense i guess since smite is 150% ADE bolt is 100%

[wooden mountain]

bolts shouldn't get the damage vs ignited foes 100% more either

but they're still good

[warped helm]

same with vs blinded i suppose right, cause thats what ive got maxed atm since dmg vs ignited takes -3 to get there

different multipliers are better in the end though i guess?

[wooden mountain]

yeah only sacrifice should apply to the subskill AFAIK

[warped helm]

i will drop some crit eventually and go dmg vs ignited probably

still considering bloodmage gloves

[wooden mountain]

bloodmage gloves are goated imo

[warped helm]

right now im only healing via HH/regen and its sufficient but doesnt work on a significant distance so some leech wouldnt be wrong

still running shitty swaddlings and advent weaver gloves and boots both without attunement, still at 109 and 2400 mana already

some people run mountain boots just for attributes but no way im running those without perma haste 💀

[wooden mountain]

mountain boots would solve your mana issue

[warped helm]

its not an issue though unless i really wanted to use meteor belt

but dont think i feel like it

thats a lot of endurance.. i dont need 😄

i guess with blood mage i could drop another atonement node too

[warped helm]

could also just play with transient rest maybe 👀 not sure if that feels any good, i guess it can never leave you at a minus @wooden mountain any experience?

theyd solve the res overcap for going abby chest i guess

[wooden mountain]

Doesn't cost mana

And doesn't work well when you have low mana

It's good for builds that have lots of max mana but spend very little

[warped helm]

oh it doesnt convert it just takes based off current mana

rip

[wooden mountain]

Like skelly mages

[warped helm]

corrupted items could still be rerolled in strife not just used as fodder right?

or only fodder

[austere frost]

No they cant be rerolled that would be actually very good qol

[warped helm]

yeah maybe too good now that i think of it

or against the point

[austere frost]

Would ease the grind not sure if its 100% intended the way they can be used for rerolling but we take those

[warped helm]

ohhhh i just realised, i could still use fire armor shred because every smite is followed by healing hands which is still fire

but even just 40% generic is probably still way better nvm

[warped helm]

welp gambled and lost some +4 smite testaments and t7 multi devotions no upgrades made there

[umbral osprey]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/736le0g6
I got this buide from season 3,what upgrade to I need to make for this season?

[quaint hearth]

Killed UA with Rive, dream is alive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pzMTmCL_xU

[warped helm]

hah thats cool

[wooden monolith]

congratz, can you share your planner plz ? nevermind found it

[wooden monolith]

i want to test rive with rampancy+brutality with void cleave instead of healing hands, but i don t have the gear

[buoyant terrace]

is there a soft cap for armor? Did not expect the envy glyph to turn into regalia (which I really want too) then the corrupt went great as well lol

[wooden monolith]

85%

[austere frost]

It would lower the kill time a ton since void cleave scales very hard worth trying

[wooden monolith]

jellal, i got my first 2T7 exalted with imprint, it took one month to proc lol

[wooden monolith]

i ll test in a couple month online, i am farming omens idols and altar right now, i am still getting crap

failed 26 shattered relic (to get frenzy), this is the worst season ever, looting nada

[austere frost]

You wanna know something funny the imprints were nerfed before and got reversed same season pretty fast , this one is gonna take until next league for some reason

[wooden monolith]

that would be great.

they need to fire the guy who wanna nerf imprint each season.

[leaden yoke]

so 6 months season will procs 6x 2t7 exalted? woohoo im excited now

[wooden monolith]

lol

[austere frost]

Happened in 1.2 when they came out,there was a bug that allowed to get 4 lp red ring with rune ascendance

[leaden yoke]

imprint will be back in S5 chat, dont worry but it will costs 25$ each imprint node bside new class

[wooden monolith]

lol

[leaden yoke]

3 imprint slots + new class = 100$ bois

[austere frost]

Nice monetization👍

[vague garnet]

Is this still the most busted class

[austere frost]

The most busted class is and will always be rogue according to ehg bias that being said Sentinel is a very good seconds with far cooler skills and builds .

[quaint hearth]

Thanks mate!
I never dropped rampancy + brutality amulet, but with void cleave still your main damage will come from Rive and you will lose lots of armour, not sure how doable it is 🤔

[trail lynx]

Eyy don't give them any ideas or you'll get imprints gated behind a DLC

[alpine sage]

Yeah but it's the class with the second least builds that I can think of. Well each build is insanely strong but I cannot think of as many build as acolyte and sentinel

[waxen nymph]

This is not D4 and blizzard, where you get 1/3 of your skill tree locked behind the next 40€'xpac

[alpine sage]

For sentinel, judgement and lightning javelin alone gives us two builds each

hammer throw also gives us two builds (but crit hammer is a bit weak so I did not try it)

[waxen nymph]

Well at least, if EHG ever does that I'll be the first one handing out torches and sharpening pitchforks

[austere frost]

3

[waxen nymph]

Bleed, crit and? TR ?

[alpine sage]

what, time rot hammer throw?

[austere frost]

I mean not like we dont have variety we have like 3 dots choices and the best dot on the game

Disintegrating aura hammer

[waxen nymph]

Isn't that just a TR build in disguise?

[alpine sage]

shield throw also gives us at least 3 builds

[austere frost]

No it's own way

[alpine sage]

ES has 2 builds

[austere frost]

Play much differently

[waxen nymph]

Dis Aura doing actual dmg?

[alpine sage]

sentinel just provides too many builds

[waxen nymph]

Do you have a planner or a video?

[austere frost]

Always just not op damage

[alpine sage]

it is the class with the most variety in this game

I cannot think of many builds about rogue and mage

[austere frost]

But to be fair I haven't gone back to thay build after 1.0 could cook a good one

[austere frost]

Exactly so

All mages only do is lightning blast

And rogues all about shadow rend stuff either with umbrals or without

[alpine sage]

now since acid flask is dead, falconer has even less variety

[waxen nymph]

Mages being prop up by spark charges for 25 seasons now

[frigid zenith]

we got flame reave and meteor this season!

[alpine sage]

static orb too

[austere frost]

I aint gonna kill my pc with that meteor build

[frigid zenith]

and firebrand tbh I think is pretty decent too

[alpine sage]

but fyi beastmaster alone has more builds than mage

[frigid zenith]

it's not rive level but looks pretty solid

[austere frost]

Still most mages will still do lightning blast next season what's gonna be another lightning blast

[alpine sage]

no just self cast meteor

[austere frost]

Idk I rather just play static orb frostclaw at this point

[alpine sage]

I don't use the meteor belt

[austere frost]

Nah no meteor for me I dont like playstyle

[alpine sage]

most people actually dont use meteor belt either

laptor are too expensive

[austere frost]

For mana dumps I already play vk builds

[alpine sage]

so not worthy risking one

btw

what can detonating arrow do?

for rogue

that seems mana stacking too

[austere frost]

No spamming skill melee skill is rive levels tbh such a good skill like goated

[alpine sage]

but that thing, Idk, it cannot clear

[frigid zenith]

yeah rive being a 0 mana skill that competes with a "main" skill is goated

[south ledge]

I think this will sit in my stroage for a long time. Don't even wanna use it

[austere frost]

I still baffle my self at why swipe cant access a 85% multi just cause some minions can use it

[alpine sage]

If you don't want to use it why not just throw it away?

[south ledge]

reason being I'm not sure which build to use it for 🙂

[alpine sage]

for acolyte

it has very good variety too

let's say lich

flay (mana and leech)

rip blood

sacrifice and minion marrow shard proc

bleed chaos bolt

[austere frost]

The skill is trash and dead since 1.1,it could one shot uber so ehg limited the mana stacking node, all da interactions got nerfed to oblivion ,so the signature marksman skill is trash and needs full rework or unique to shine

[alpine sage]

stygian coal (which is surprisingly good if you mana and int stack)

[south ledge]

detonating arrow is so frustrating to use

[alpine sage]

I mean, that's the only signature skill that no one seems to use

[austere frost]

The fact draelkor are completely useless is so annoying cause it was amazing in 1.0 and it never got visited again ,like it wasn't that op or good by today standard anyway

[alpine sage]

at least I can make forge strike (non-minion) good

but I fail to see any potential of denotating arrow, even for supporting

[frigid zenith]

alas they only revisit a limited selection of stuff every season

[austere frost]

Do like me collect like 10 and then decide what build you gonna use with it

[south ledge]

that's how it will end 😄

[austere frost]

The spellblade stuff still needs revisit

Quite miss

Specially the passive tree

[alpine sage]

@austere frost yeah, detonating arrow is the only skill that no one even use now, even as a supporting skill

[austere frost]

Meanwhile lich rework was very good

[alpine sage]

falconer only has ballista for general purpose

[frigid zenith]

someone uses smelter's wrath? 👀

[alpine sage]

bladedancer has shadow cascade to carry the variety

but still low

[austere frost]

Yeah for memes and sarcasm

[south ledge]

dmg is actually fine

but the rest is horrible

xD

[austere frost]

I would rather use that before detonating arrow to be honest

[alpine sage]

that skill can still clear tbh

it just has trash bossing tier

and I believe people would rather go for corruption than one shotting uber

[austere frost]

Its ok I cope and rhink next season will be shaman and paladin but please man look at forge guard again,the way to save smelter is to make the axe stuff just use hammer throw tree and lower some of the scaling

[alpine sage]

@austere frost btw iirc there are a lot falcon centric builds in 1.2

[waxen nymph]

I would love to see SW in the omen veil echo

[alpine sage]

too bad almost all of them are gutted

[austere frost]

Falconer was op since it came out the strongest mastery in game its good they get to play like 2 builds now

[alpine sage]

the way to save smelter's wrath is too increase its ADE and rework the brightsmith node

[waxen nymph]

I mean you can do anything in flaconer and turn it into smth viable

[austere frost]

That being said acid flask needs to comeback they are over nerfing too much all explosive trap interactions

[waxen nymph]

Like 1kc viable

Even with a meme

[alpine sage]

currently I'm only aware of ballista (2 builds) and umbral blades (recall)

no one seems to play any other than those three

[austere frost]

You can do normal umbrals and its still op

Falconer

[alpine sage]

but recall is even better

[austere frost]

For bossing for mapping idk

[alpine sage]

well at least bow and throwing (except shuriken) gets least buffed this season

spell has madness

and melee has brutality+rampancy

[south ledge]

the primalist ladder lmao

[alpine sage]

wait how?

[austere frost]

I have seen this good for the guy

[south ledge]

probably confluence of oblivion, and someone else killing the boss for him?

[alpine sage]

I don't know how is even possible for pure primalist to be that OP

[austere frost]

He just abuses catch up corruption confluence on alts

[south ledge]

ye

[austere frost]

What's funny its all the names,I mean not funny to me and actual truth

[south ledge]

😄

[alpine sage]

hmm

is multistrike as strong as rive?

[austere frost]

@alpine sage anyway Sentinel has many upsides and its a well designed class mastery no bs like rogue ,it has in my opinion the best passive tree ingame

[south ledge]

oh finally

[alpine sage]

@austere frost yeah sentinel is the best

tankiest class

best variety

[austere frost]

No

[frigid zenith]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqwP2r7P
how meme would this be, assuming I can get the double T7s

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (60) / Paladin (32)

General:

▸ Health: 2,373, Regen: 93/s
▸ Mana: 158.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 150 Str / 38 Dex / 24 Int / 29 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 43% / 61% / 99% / 66% / 74% / 98%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 347%, Threshold: 893
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (179)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 79% (11,753)
▸ Block Chance: 230%, Mitigation: 49% (1,993)

Used skills:

Shield Throw / Symbols of Hope / Ring Of Shields / Forge Strike

[alpine sage]

and in this season forge guard actually has decent builds

shield bash and lava burst shield throw

[austere frost]

But its very good still

[alpine sage]

A tier

it's not meme

it is how lava burst shield throw should be

[austere frost]

Very for assuming 2t7

[south ledge]

lava burst with void conversion is also really good now

[frigid zenith]

i haven't seen much of the face version, most I see is running the sigeon one

[austere frost]

That being said lava burst is strong

Debris was running face

So far the best lavaburst builder I have seen legit,also the leader of my cof group,idk what's with him but has the best rng for corruption by a mile

[heady saffron]

Does Brutality with Berserker belt more melee damage while Frenzy shenanigans affects Forged Weapons damage?

[topaz shell]

There's a guy that uses a similar concept since last season, but instead of Pyre of Affliction and Legends Entwined he uses Primal Cadence for the huge base crit.

[austere frost]

No

[heady saffron]

Sad

[austere frost]

Primal is easier for capping crit ,pyre is more burst damage

That being said cadence got megabuffed

[frigid zenith]

I guess Debris hasn't updated the guide for the face version

[austere frost]

Yeah the guide doesn't have his real actual gear

[frigid zenith]

the endurance taking so many slam slot is kinda annoying to work around

[austere frost]

Its quite ridiculous just saying

[frigid zenith]

yeah I've been toying with both versions in the planner, kinda hard to choose from tbh

getting the gear would be annoying tho, the only one I've gotten atm is only the shield from when I was trying to do phalanx on S2

[austere frost]

Good luck with the idol grind🫡

[alpine sage]

btw

will the weaver set be fixed I wonder

since I'm afraid whether to use it

[frigid zenith]

I just play with the assumption that it will be

[austere frost]

Maybe they got probably 2 3 more weeks of hotfixes

If in 2 3 weeks aint fixed forget about it

[alpine sage]

they might fix in season 5?

[frigid zenith]

#1486744068347269301 hasn't been updated again

[austere frost]

Debris reports every week his very good shield that applies mark of death to himself

[austere frost]

Maybe abomination sacrifice himself hasn't been fixed in 2 seasons so

[alpine sage]

pyre is the best

primal is not even close

[frigid zenith]

was it that big

[alpine sage]

I mean

I got insane crit multi from block effectiveness already

[austere frost]

Just find whatever works best if tou can cap your crit easy then pire

[austere frost]

Pire gives tons of flat spell damage and fire pen its very big for damage

[topaz shell]

What about instead of using that build for Lava Burst you use for Furnace?

[frigid zenith]

true, I guess if crit rate isn't a problem anymore pyre's just flat (heh) out better

now where do I get more block effectiveness

[austere frost]

Shield,gloves

[topaz shell]

Does increased melee area count for the node in Smelter Wrath that gives a lot of more fire damage over time? Or does only generic increased area work for that?

[frigid zenith]

alas

who even knows about smelter's wrath

[waxen nymph]

It does I believe

@iron basin

He is the only one I know that used it

[jagged flame]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Rvada/character/Bombaclat

recently changed to judgement aura paladin, feeling like im lacking sustain, any easy tip ?

[waxen nymph]

Healing Effectiveness

[jagged flame]

any specific gearpiece i should focus on swapping out?

[waxen nymph]

Buy a Xylem staff to the elk npc

And equip a titan heart
Then focus on attunement

[jagged flame]

what elk npc? 😄 the one in beast rifts?

[frigid zenith]

yes that one

[trail lynx]

But it could be 😄

[warped helm]

damn, smite guy shredded a 350c altar of chaos like nothing, might actually be higher dps than the ignite guy in the end

[wooden monolith]

Void cleave is huge dps increase. Last season i killed ua with rive in 2'30 without vc, to 1'30 with vc. Seed + titan heart can compensate the armor loss

[alpine sage]

ok how about erasing strike with void cleave?

does void cleave deal more dmg than erasing strike?

[wooden monolith]

I think so but vc is strong with abyssal echo and i am not sure we have room for abyssal echo

[wooden monolith]

Multistrike is as strong as rive, but rive+vc is stronger than multistrike.
Last Season, ua kill with multistrike : 2min, with rive+vc : 1'30

It was paladin multistrike, tried vk multistrike but couldn t make it work, had mana issue

[warped helm]

jeeeeeeeez

FW any good these days? haha

[frigid zenith]

how did you spec your vc? On S2 I think I had almost no diff between rive + vc vs no vc, but I did mostly use VC as a debuff bot

[wooden monolith]

Get all the damage nodes

[frigid zenith]

do we even have enough skillpoints for that

[wooden monolith]

You need to play rive with swordcatcher (the maxxroll version sucks) and +4 vc on relic

[frigid zenith]

do you take off the traversal node

[wooden monolith]

Yes

[frigid zenith]

ah alright

I was using it as a traversal replacement too

yeah maxroll version is just

I guess they don't want to make the target audience hunt for +6 swordcatcher

[wooden monolith]

Yeah i would do that for mapping, but i was using rive for bossing, this was a bossing build

[frigid zenith]

ah, I tend to make my builds do maps + boss at the same time so I was just thinking "damn I won't be able to fit in the traversal there" 😄

[wooden monolith]

Yep, that s why i don t like maxroll, their builds are good for new players, not for veterans

[wooden monolith]

In 1.3 i had 2 sentinel, 1 for mapping and one for bossing. In 1.4 warpath is stronger than ever, i don t even need a bossing build ^^

I am killing ua sub 1'30 with warpath and i am missing a ton of gear ^^

[urban chasm]

reached 15k

100% VK, no rogue 🙂

[waxen nymph]

Unlike the dirty @halcyon swallow

😏

[halcyon swallow]

@waxen nymphI just got out the shower 10 minutes ago QQ.

[waxen nymph]

Your soul is dirty

Nothing you can shower

[halcyon swallow]

Yak, Sentinel channel, now I feel dirty that I am in here .....

I coming for you @urban chasm , better watch out.

[warped helm]

@waxen nymph we were talking about lightning fissure a bunch, what could be the reason people still pick fire version in favor of it, just the t8 champion fire over time mod? maybe immolation oblation for frenzy?

[halcyon swallow]

@urban chasmJokes aside, mad respect brother for taking the Sentinel to 15k corruption.

[jagged flame]

can i make this into attuned decayed skull of the ox?

[halcyon swallow]

has no LP, you need to nemesis it first to get some LP but is not worth it, best to farm a LP3 from prophecies since the odds are 1/82 for LP3.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsIFiA

[jagged flame]

sorry, LP?

oh legendary potential

[heady saffron]

When you follow builds just look at the base unique name, the "Attuned" and "of the Ox" are the prefix and suffixes added when upgrading from Unique to Legendary. Affixes on legendaries are turned off by default

[waxen nymph]

People playing Fire Fissure ???

Imo Lightning or Void is better than Fire

[warped helm]

ya ive actually not found a single lightning fissure in 1k+ cr

[waxen nymph]

Lightning Get Devotion + Crit Multi Scaling

[warped helm]

oh i mean yeah they use devotion

but not converting the smite to lightning

to still use immolation

[waxen nymph]

Void got Vita scaling + the other subskill

[waxen nymph]

So to get only 40 flat ?

[warped helm]

frenzy

i assume mainly

[waxen nymph]

I am sure we can find better sources

So you can get the More Lightning Dot per Crit Multi for Lightning

Also with Fissure you dont really want to get too much Cast speed

Because of the Proc cap

[warped helm]

this seems to be why most of them remain fire based

[waxen nymph]

I am not convinced but meh

[warped helm]

unbroken charge seems so nice

5 second long haste instead of most of these 1 second long ones

[iron basin]

Yes it does

Fire DoT SW is still pretty bad though even if you max out the area. You can only get it on like 3 pieces of gear

[alpine sage]

your specs are rive, void cleave, abyssmal echoes, orb and anomaly right?

when using rive+void cleave

@wooden monolith also it seems to me that multistrike is a build that can be built by both paladin and forge guard (wo shield)

[iron basin]

multistrike is versatile enough that you can use it on any of the masteries tbh

[alpine sage]

ah ok

for rive

what skills do you spec?

[iron basin]

that's a meta skill. I ain't know nothin about meta skills

I play sentinel for memes

[alpine sage]

?

ah ok

[warped helm]

it kinda makes sense to me because you dont have all that much easy access to multi or you give up 200%+ ele over time rolls for it 🤷‍♂️

for some reason i thought devotion was flat lightning spell damage too but its generic

this amulet is so busted

[waxen nymph]

But it's all additive

Would have to see some numbers

[warped helm]

right

[waxen nymph]

But I a lot of cases more dmg wins

By going t8 affix you also loose on Xylem and a lot of mana for Flat

[warped helm]

maybe its also because of the points required in smite to make more multi apply in the first place

[waxen nymph]

??

[warped helm]

well you have to pick up the lightning conversion in the first place right

thats 4 points

[waxen nymph]

Ah right

But you don't need the Spreading nodes

So it terms of pts it's pretty similar I think

I am not at my pc rn

[warped helm]

all good

i can see the difficulties though, not that simple of a swap

so i guess people just went with "eh, more raw fire dot damage and some lesser fire nodes on smite will do"

[waxen nymph]

Do you have a planner?

[iron basin]

yeah where is this build from

[waxen nymph]

Do they go for Fire Dot on gear too ?

[iron basin]

I've only seen lightning and void for fissure builds. Fire tends to be crit/ignite on throwing and pretty rarely self cast

speaking of throwing, I think CD shield throw FG has some actual legs with the forking idols now

[alpine sage]

Hi @wooden monolith what do you spec for rive with void cleave?

[south ledge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkYkp2G3

I gotta revive this build I made in season 2 also. It was comfortably clearing already 1k corruption back then.

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 2: Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (7) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (70)

General:

▸ Health: 2,416, Regen: 540.25/s
▸ Mana: 196, Regen: 11.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 129 Str / 8 Dex / 8 Int / 20 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 135% / 107% / 107% / 73% / 77% / 67% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 933
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,236)

Used skills:

Vengeance / Holy Aura / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Smite

[iron basin]

i had to do a double take seeing so many points on the left side of the smite tree

that threw me off

[waxen nymph]

I have a hard time imagining you can get more dmg than 147% More Dmg

[south ledge]

😂

[waxen nymph]

And thats just with slamming 1t7 + passive

I might be wrong

[iron basin]

if you only have 258% inc damage normally then that T8 affix alone is 147% more damage

[waxen nymph]

Maybe all that increase with 20% More Dmg from smite is enough

[iron basin]

[waxen nymph]

Thats not a lot of inc dmg

[iron basin]

sorry 265% baseline

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, before the t8 affix

[iron basin]

I've been doing too many metric conversions lately and 2.54 was stuck in my head

I do agree though I really think that affix is wasted here. unless there's some interaction I'm just not seeing

[iron basin]

that's a pretty sweet ungabunga build. is there a reason for the single point in forged weapon summoning on vengeance? is it purely for pale ox?

[south ledge]

exactly

[iron basin]

honestly other than the doom combo idk if I would really change anything

[south ledge]

even back then damage on uber aberroth was fine, but survivability was an issue

[warped helm]

do you ever use t7 multi on relic over t7 smite?

[iron basin]

doom combo doesn't work for non-void damage anymore so maybe like red ring and brewmaster buckle?

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6PJ4440

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Paladin (57)

General:

▸ Health: 2,822, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,659.53, Regen: 10.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 15 Dex / 15 Int / 159 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 82% / 152% / 58% / 88% / 62% / 74%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 733
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,858)

Used skills:

None

[waxen nymph]

This has 900% Inc dmg easy

[warped helm]

the boots tho 😄

i guess they are easy 2lp's that you could grind double ex boots for

[south ledge]

I tried to get 3 LP foot of the mountain this season

[iron basin]

that 900% lightning DoT is so misleading since it doesn't account for the attunement lol

[south ledge]

after 100 arbor i gave up

including turtle/nemesis attempts

I had 16 str/att boots

and slam failed on 2 LP then

[iron basin]

it has almost 900% before accounting for the lightning multipliers

it's effectively 2,626% inc lightning dot on that planner

[warped helm]

how do you even play with no ms roll on them

i cant imagine

perma haste with haste effect or something?

damn turns out i do still need another crit node on smite

[iron basin]

movement speed is obviously good but it's really not required

[waxen nymph]

I counted it myself

With Attunement

[iron basin]

as heretical as it is to some people

[warped helm]

even with another im still at 89,76% crit

[waxen nymph]

Also it counts the more lightning dot from the Paladin passive

[iron basin]

yeah I figured. it's just funny to me that the sheet includes the lightning DoT multi but not attributes

[iron basin]

for reference to my tolerance level of moving slowly, I played smelter's wrath with Forgemaster's Might and no MS on my boots

[warped helm]

🫣

yeah thats crazy to me

[iron basin]

it just makes echoes take longer. bosses are tuned so that baseline movement speed and evade is enough to handle mechanics as long as you know they're coming

[south ledge]

alright I will revive it

[iron basin]

that weapon is the reason I want to be able to offhand maces as sentinel

imagine having two of them

[south ledge]

ye 😄

but eye of reen is a good second choice

[warped helm]

i love the new set sword tbh

[iron basin]

yeah

[warped helm]

seems really strong

[south ledge]

100% agree

[iron basin]

it's likely better to use eye of reen than a second Will

but I wanna attack really fast

like my wind tempest build that has something around 250% inc melee attack speed

[south ledge]

I will probably hit 400+ with this vengance build

will piece it together now

[warped helm]

i do like the idea of trying this still, because in 500c+ now some omens i just have the issue again with 4 smite target limit and getting overrun

like when the main target is empowered and super tanky

would also mean that IF i do hit a t7 multi devotion with mana and +1 i could reuse it the exact same way 🤔

[wooden monolith]

Yes

[warped helm]

1lp xylem's would make for good corruption targets too 👀

[iron basin]

2LP is common enough

if you're gonna commit, do it in full

[south ledge]

without gloves and frenzy

[iron basin]

i corrupted my last one and bricked it lol removed 9 affix tiers

[iron basin]

i get up to around 200% character sheet, so not counting the TS speed nodes

[wooden monolith]

I got one yesterday !

[south ledge]

nice gz 🙂

[iron basin]

yolo gonna corrupt my xylem now

F

[wooden monolith]

Got it in a random echo, didn t farm it and won t use it, i hate being slow !

[iron basin]

it's aight i had a spare. time to corrupt this one too

[alpine sage]

hmm

sadly this means no traversal skills

[south ledge]

💀

[wooden monolith]

Yep i made this build only to kill ua, not for mapping, so don t need a traversal

[quaint hearth]

too close to the sun

[warped helm]

i feel like you need a large amount of castspeed still going lightning fissure

pretty sure even this crit version is barely at 4 casts/sec

not counting double casts but wouldnt wanna rely on that

[iron basin]

there's a limit on your fissure count. you need some cast speed, but you don't need much

[warped helm]

3 per second yeah

unless they have a stack limit that isnt mentioned

if i remove my t7 castspeed staff i already feel awfully slow again

[iron basin]

I think only one fissure can deal damage at a time, but I'm not 100%

i haven't played fissure since 1.2

[warped helm]

nah they do stack, otherwise i wouldnt even think about playing it

was a breeze to level with

[iron basin]

then you really don't need more than 3 or 4 casts per second

[warped helm]

right, but base smite is just awfully slow i come to realise

[iron basin]

you just want enough to hit the limit and maybe a little over

[warped helm]

i have 39% with just my gloves and something else

i feel like 50% should be good

[iron basin]

otherwise you're wasting stat budget that would be better elsewhere

[warped helm]

right

definitely wouldnt waste the t7 mod in xylem for castspeed like i did for crit

[waxen nymph]

No they stack

[south ledge]

[iron basin]

common primalist L. our fissures don't stack

can't even have more than 1

[alpine canopy]

It would stack if you could have more than 1, iirc it's the literal same skill

[iron basin]

i just realized i gained 300 mana/health and 19% phys pen with my corrupt nonsense earlier lol

[warped helm]

ohh what, my ignite frequently runs out on the boss dummy thats bad

4/5 points in damage vs ignited

put a point in on symbols easy fix

[iron basin]

they're technically two different skills so who knows how it would actually work in practice

tooltip wise they're nearly identical though and just have different damage types

wait why can fissure stack but acid flask puddles can't? puddles even have like a 20 minute cooldown

[waxen nymph]

Probably a similar reason Upheaval and shockwave cannot hit the same target

Someone at EHG 10 years ago thought that would be great game. design

[iron basin]

i can kinda see the rationale behind shockwaves if I squint hard enough. they didn't want the AoE modifier to be a must-take for single target too since it would basically just be a 48% more modifier

but the puddles apply like one stack of poison per second. they don't even scale with your poison-on-hit chance afaik

[warped helm]

alright, my poor havoc runes, ran out of t7 multi amulets

reroll these a bit and then

[iron basin]

me constantly since I'm always building meme stuff

[south ledge]

I felt comfortable with havos after I did 50 uberroths

but I'm again down to 5 now

[warped helm]

i hope i have enough bricks to reroll all 6

but i should

[south ledge]

apparetnly FG has even higher dps for vengenace than paladin

43% fire pen from str scaling is pretty nice

[warped helm]

ughhh double omen echo chains are sooooo sketchy

nice, 15% shred upgrade

might reach 50+ stacks now 😄

60 stack weeee

[peak zodiac]

paladin has a 50% more multiplier for ignite on the right half of the passive tree, alongside many other great passives and holy aura

[south ledge]

not playing ignite

[warped helm]

ive still not done a 2h/shield FG melee yet

nvm i did play the shield bash hammer thing for a bit but didnt enjoy it

[peak zodiac]

still lose a 15% more from paladin mastery bonus, and again, holy aura and all the juicy right half passive

[south ledge]

surely holy aura is good

but i can also use FS for 30% fire pen and 12% global

overall paladin is better, because of the survivability

didn't expect FG to compete dps wise

on this specific build

[peak zodiac]

are you using 2h?

[south ledge]

vegenace crit build

so I'm using dual wield

[peak zodiac]

oh ye i mean FG passives are only good defensively if you go block really tbh

[warped helm]

wth, t7 ignite chest and helm drop next to eachother 🤔 something fishy goin on

[wooden mountain]

smite being a 1.467 skill and needing 3 casts per second you need something like 104% increased cast speed, slightly less is better than slightly more I think because with slightly less you'll never have a cast that happens when you don't have a fissure available and you'll get something like 5.98 fissures/2s but if you have slightly more and a cast happens just before another fissure becomes available then you're waiting like a third of a second before it casts again and you'll be closer to 5 fissures/2s than 6

105% is slightly too fast

[warped helm]

pog, thx for the math

yeah figured rather be a bit too slow than too fast

[wooden mountain]

idk if affixes actually add fractional cast speed and we just see a rounded figure or not though

and given that the game has a tickrate presumably you always cast on a particular tick rather than what that math says exactly

[warped helm]

smh one devotion actually ate like 8 bases to still be at 7% pen

ok only corrupting 5 for now

is madness increased crit damage taken against the target or you?

that part is against the player right?

got a madness, ruined, lowest rolls, highest rolls, t7 cold res

[peak zodiac]

you take more crit damage, but also your crits do more damage because it gives you crit multi

[warped helm]

ye figured, kinda not worth for me so i rerolled the last one -> ruined too

f

[wooden mountain]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message I asked the devs about this, got curious

[warped helm]

i guess a everything maxed devotion is pretty neat too, or coldres one if i wanted even more endurance

almost at 2k already

[warped helm]

afraid to ask but how are bees btw, barely a functional full build now im guessing? or actually decent

[wooden mountain]

I don't think bees are good

certainly not relative to how challenging getting a good idol setup for them is

[warped helm]

right

more considerations, shield setup and lightning fissure is probably a lot harder to pull off, also fire fissure gets throne of ambition for bosses and hard encounters still @waxen nymph

[waxen nymph]

Ah thats a good point

[austere frost]

Lightning fissure get the more damage per 2 crit multi which is very strong

If harmony primordial wasn't such a hard item to pull off you could end up with like 15k increase damage for dot lightning

[alpine sage]

hi

is there any point of overcapping this one https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AGwVgnEA

like, if there is over 100% chance will it spawn 2 additional swords?

[peak zodiac]

not currently working last i checked, don’t remember seeing a bugfix for it

but even if you could gl with mana sustain lmao

[warped helm]

ye thats what we were talking about, because i saw theres quite a few 1kc+ fire fissure players still but they are all shield based with the t8 fire dot mod on wands

i might go for the xylem lightning setup

otherwise i dont feel like doing any more omens in 500+ corruption with hit based smite 💀 so sketchy

[austere frost]

Tbh not sure which one will be stronger but you get a lot of more damage for the lightning version which bumps increased a lot

[wooden mountain]

if you could get ele dot on scepters I'd expect firestarter's torch to beat that T8 wand but alas

[warped helm]

im sure xylem/2h lightning can go way bigger on deeps

[wooden mountain]

Xylem with crit multi and ele dot

you only need like 11 crit multi to do better than the spreading flame node

What is the most hitspam you can do on sentinel?
Vengeance with Iron Blades & HH?
Orbiting Hammers?
Shield Throw/Lavaburst ricochets?

Multistrike?

[frigid zenith]

maybe vengeance on VK for echoes?

[waxen nymph]

Multistrike + Forged Weapons

Warpath + echoes

[alpine canopy]

Gotta be multistrike for single target

[wooden mountain]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message @warped helm I got a reply.

I think you want 103% because 104% is cutting it too close

[warped helm]

good stuff

💀 duo echo chains are my nemesis on this guy

[warped helm]

yooo

[warped helm]

useful hit too

[warped helm]

boring, time to farm another

but i could swap now

[austere frost]

As in amount of hits , shield throw best i think you can grt an insane amount of hits ty to bee tech

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, and it's not just your own hits. So a bee + FW build with something that hits a lot like MS or maybe ST would probably generate the most possible

of course, it falls into the same trap as bone curse, no matter what you hit with, you will almost definitely do more damage by just scaling the hits

[austere frost]

Debris already made an insane hit and bleed with bees forge guard with shield throw

[warped helm]

hmmm well, only getting like 5.2m~ fissure ticks on the boss dummy, could get a little more changing to 1 or 2 ele dot t7 rolls but thats about it.. also realised the doublecast procs will really mess with consistant trigger rate @wooden mountain

may swap back to hit based tomorrow, works better for frailty and stuff as well

[brisk tusk]

is there any resource that outlines which affixes work with manifest armor? I have so many questions and dont wanna spam lol

[alpine canopy]

Not that I know of. There are general guidelines you can follow to get most of it - basically all "stats" work, and things more complicated than that generally don't. Attributes, set bonuses, and things relying on "equipped ___" all do not work. If you have any doubts about something, you can ask and someone will probably know.

[wooden mountain]

Doublecast shouldn't matter? It's a triggered cast without a cast time so it can't trigger fissure afaik

[obsidian tide]

Let me know which affixes you're interested in, I played a lot of manifest armor and maybe it can make me think of other possibilities. For instance, I was very disappointed when I realized the % increased damage based on movement speed from vaion's chariot doesn't work

[warped helm]

ohh ok good point

[quaint hearth]

yolo

[warped helm]

well more health is always nice

man wish the slow chance blessing didnt compete with armor

got slow chance converted to shred on my idol but i cant really get much

mana per corrupted idol + 50% suffix effect is what i need

[waxen nymph]

Weren't you playing Fissure?

[warped helm]

swapping back

it plays nicely but the DoT dps is very far off from what i just played with ignite & i suddenly have to disrupt my dps to reduce my mana again stuff like that

where i was just keeping it low consistantly with hitbased

[warped helm]

feels like the health cost affix on xylem is not working, or working differently from the atonement nodes on smite

sacrificing more health than i should 🤔

ohhh nvm its probably the additional damage from blood mage glove

nvm thats not it

[waxen nymph]

It's because Smite doesn't cost life

It consumes it