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serene oyster
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I only reset in instances where I am low mana and Aberoth goes invuln. Which I believe is just Void Essence Issue.

summer crow
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Currently I don't see any changes to Warpath (Can very well be my setup)

But its acting exactly the same as before the update, where once mana drained, it goes below 0 and you're locked out for a couple of seconds before Void Well gives you mana

wooden monolith
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i do not have that issue

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when the spin stops, it comes back instantly

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it s only on ornate idol

summer crow
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Yeah think its bad timing on low mana and devouring orb procs going below 0 mana

serene oyster
wooden monolith
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i have reduced mana cost of devouring

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orb, maybe that helps

serene oyster
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I don't have those on my filter so I have never seen any 🙁

wooden monolith
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skill

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fleeting orb

wooden monolith
# serene oyster

it s an omen idol, it s a reduced ornate idol, but void efficiency is only on ornate for regular idols ^^

serene oyster
wooden monolith
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sometimes

full plover
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Let's goooo they fixed it. Can continuously warpath now

wooden monolith
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Looted this during my spin test lol

serene oyster
wooden monolith
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this game has a lot of bugs lol

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hard to know what s happening with all the bugs

proud condor
wooden monolith
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spin is not infinite

serene oyster
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It really is. I am fairly certain that 1 of the Void Essences can expire right before you run out of mana causing the stop. They stack but each stack only lasts 8 seconds.. Spinning infinitely - I think - is impossible without luck.

proud condor
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do i reroll more for better implicits?

serene oyster
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I am unsure if the passive overides old essence stacks.

serene oyster
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Actually, after looking at the rates. It doesn't look like it would be that hard to get if you target farmed a 2LP. Either way I think you'd be fine doing either.

proud condor
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i actually got it from the turtle xd

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i only really care about the all res , +2 and implicits

vapid badge
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If you haven't heard yet, you can use LP1 legendaries with a corrupted affix to reroll LP2 uniques in gauntlet of strife

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Not sure why the corrupted affix is letting you sac the legendary as if it is LP 2 but it's working

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Reroll that nihilis

proud condor
rustic hedge
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Why dont they just make red ring damage reduction scale with the total stat that u have now, like 1% DR every 18 stat. It feels so wasted for VK boys 🙃

pure hill
quaint hearth
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Now its super east to reroll since corruption counts as +1 lp
So you can just throw corrupted items into gauntlet

fluid grove
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hey guys i would like to start ES void knight for season start, can I use build from max rolls ?
from Volca

proud condor
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yeah its rly good, its what I played before warpath

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and got to 1k corruption with the endgame planner basically

orchid flint
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whats the crit cap needed for erasing strike?

fluid grove
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i played warpath previous season so wanted to try something new:D

proud condor
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i think erasing strike is nicer on medium gear than warpath

serene oyster
fluid grove
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lets try ES then:)

thorny spoke
fluid grove
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yes that mana sustain on warpath was annoying ; D

thorny spoke
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I think Erasing Strike is just more fun in general. Subjective ofc

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Out of a dozen-ish builds. Erasing Strike is the most fun I've had in this game lol.

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Spinning death blender remains a fun way to enjoy ARPGs tho I'll give it that.

orchid flint
austere frost
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If Warpath cant sustain still its because they haven't fixed the root of the problem all they need to do is to make warpath keep channeling when you are below 0 mana until a -40 mana as of right now at -10 it stops so abbysal echoes proc with that nice mana cost and your void well doesn't proc fast enough make you stop

maiden palm
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Yep, its a timing thing.

austere frost
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Dont need to be a genius to understand this

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Wait for next week patchomegalul

pure hill
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0.2 seconds should theoretically solve it. Not sure if client-server communication makes 0.2 seconds not enough or that the fix just isn't actually working. Going to a specific -mana value would be a bit of a clunky fix because it would work in some, but not all conditions.

austere frost
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Its the fix

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Did they fix your problem

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If answer is no then go back to this

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Title: Void well not going off fast enough
Feedback: Now that warriors fury is capped a lot of people are able to get enough mana to theoretically sustain it. But becasue warpath can only be channeled until -10 mana (a limit set per skill for channelled skills), and abyssal echoes costs 35 mana; you can sometimes cast abyssal echoes through warpath when below 25 mana, resulting in you being under -10 and stopping the warpath channel before void well can go off. Please either raise the warpath negative mana limit to -40 (or anything below -35) or make it so void well goes off before the negative mana check for warpath so that it doesn't get cancelled. (or even have void well go off at below 5% of max mana instead of 0 or something). Basically anything that would allow you to keep channelling with void well regardless of abyssal echoes cast timing.

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Dont trust any theory since it has been proven ehg does very few testing yeah

maiden palm
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Void well just needs to be able to proc through a portion of AE mana cost.

serene oyster
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The 0.2s was supposed to be a buffer that completely ignored how negative mana you were. Either something else is bugged with Void Well or 0.2s isn't enough time to account for FPS and latency.

proud condor
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do we know what the theoretical breakpoint is for infinite spin ? mana/channeling cost

austere frost
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Whole point of this nerf was to at least make it comfortably if I still need to get mana on most gear pieces you are just playing a way worse warpath than before

pure hill
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I'm not saying that that wouldn't fix it. I'm just saying the current implementation should also fix it too and is a better solution because it is future proof. It not being fixed with the 0.2 seconds probably means something else is going on - like does this 0.2 seconds include client-server communication or is it all client side? If it's all client side then 0.2 seconds should be sufficient and there is some issue that is preventing it from working.

austere frost
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You cant spin indefinitely although you should

proud condor
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i said theoretical, i know you cant right now

austere frost
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Well if their solution is bugged or doesnt work then its flawed and useless for the players

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I rather have an actual solution now ,warpath already has horrendous code in it

thorny spoke
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It would not add more functionality, only QoL

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Which is good

maiden palm
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Even 5%

austere frost
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They did a general fix instead of a targeted fix,which is what matters

pure hill
austere frost
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If you can see in the patchnotes doesn't say oh we did this for warpath only nope for all channeled skills

serene oyster
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There is more to it just not activating "fast enough". I've had it activate at 1, 2, and 3 charges of Void Essence, which technically shouldn't happen because Void Well needs 3 to activate.

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Also there appears to be a "Cooldown" circle around the buff that isn't useful at all because each stack appears to have it's own expiry and it only tracks the most recent Void Essence you obtained.

thorny spoke
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Has void well ever worked properly? The tooltip used to read "consumes one essence" when it consumed three. They fixed it by changing the tooltip to say three lol

austere frost
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Void well got nerfed it used to be a bit more consistent but still flawed

serene oyster
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Yeah, it's honestly super frustrating. If it was something that required me to fine tune my build, I would be okay with it, but as it stands, no matter what I build, my spin will always be interrupted at some point due to how inconsistent Void Essence and Void Well interact. It cannot be solved by getting more mana, specializing into efficiency, or getting mana cost reduction on Idols. I'm at a loss because I really enjoy warpath but it feels like by DPS is just RNG depending on the mood of Void Well.

serene oyster
waxen nymph
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Oo

late narwhal
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so this is why my warpath still resets every other void well proc. was hoping the the patch to make it better

austere frost
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I am pretty sure a lot like a lot of people complain about warpath more than any other channel skill having issues with mana

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Instead of addressing the skill personally they just do a general hotfix ,like we need targeted fix to skills

thorny spoke
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Idk if targeted or not targeted matters. The fix just needs to work lol.

austere frost
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It does matter cause instead of trying to find an actual solution you are just making something abroad

wooden monolith
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playing warpath for about a year and it has always worked this way, so i don t care, nothing changed

thorny spoke
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If it was a sweeping change that worked, were not having this convo right now.

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Agree?

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So the issue is that it doesn't work.

austere frost
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So they should have tried ro fix the problem the skill /build has

pure hill
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Besides, what do we think the motivation for the change is anyways? It affects all channeling skills, but I'm all-in on warpath being the reason it is changed at all.

thorny spoke
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Nobody cares how they fix it. They just want the spin to keep spinning.

austere frost
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Yeah well it didn't work so either they buff said change even more or they tackle the real issue with this skill it has been like this since forever so I like when stuff gets addressed personally

bitter hamlet
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was about to ask if any other WPVK is still experiencing the stutters but scrolling up answered that question lol

serene oyster
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I'm not going to bash the devs. They saw the issue players were having, implemented a change to channeled skills directed at warpath, explicitly calling it out in the patch notes. They see it and an attempt was made to fix it. I really appreciate it. Unfortunately we still have part 2 of the issue that has yet to be addressed and I'm just using this channel as an funnel for my frustration haha.

austere frost
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Aren't we all🤣

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We still got like 1 month and a half for bugfixes so I am sure they will get it going by then

supple iris
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Ah yes, the good ol' lag death. The best reason to never do HC (I'm not, but just saying)

serene oyster
stable stump
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Hey, which one i should use for vk warpath

austere frost
austere frost
stable stump
wooden monolith
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this patch is great, warpath dps is up

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i have 1.3 dps

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the up canceled the 1.4 nerf ^^

spring pollen
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Anyone tried shield throw this season? Wondering if that fork idol making a big difference

orchid flint
spring pollen
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Do you need multiples to make it work? The % looks quite low 🙃

orchid flint
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you want 5 and the idol alter that increases prefix chance

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i had them it was the spell damage on axe shit thats annoying af to farm

austere frost
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Its big power spike

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Sadly the affix that allows for increased effect of weaver enchantment doesn't work

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Cause thats pretty big for that build

orchid flint
austere frost
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Bugged

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Like it comes with idk what like 5 idols you can equip that part works but not the enchantments part

spring pollen
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Ok thanks guys I’ll take a closer look

unborn cypress
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What's more important on my Transcribers Graver - Spell Damag or Melee Attack Speed?

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So people are having issues with warpath kicking out....

I achieved this and solved this with almost all the time and rare occurences of kick outs: with 5/5 warriors fury

1503 mana/ 25.3 mana regen/( 2.5 second coold own of devouring orb with mana cost of 7.5) and 2 points into unchained( warpath skill tree). This is me spamming anomly with CDR of 11.2 seconds.

oblique niche
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Hey there guys, I am playing Warpath build of course. Should i put this on a Unique helmet or keep this base?

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this is another helmet i made :p This is on legacy server

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I dont really play anymore but just help theory craft mainly. The loot this season is pretty rough and I dont feel like gearing another character under current meta.

wet nebula
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Hello! a question. I'm trying to get a relic with judgement but I cant find the affix. I'm sure I've got some, like a minute ago I got some judgement affix by using a rune of removal.

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orchid flint
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for erasing strike do you actually need any crit chance on your gear or are you crit capped

austere frost
crimson crystal
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running whetstone gavel on a minion build, the heck affix do I even give this

vale lantern
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I saw the patch today, but I'm still having issues with warpath resetting is anyone else still having problems post patch?

random nest
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Guys I am following Maxroll build for Warpath, I just cannot understand how to reach max res. Sure Nihilis has some all res, there is a 20% max res blessing, Siphon of Anguish has a nice % on elemental ress...

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Other than that, I cannot find where to roll them if I follow the build as it is

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This is the build

clever hazel
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have you opened the build planner? it shows exactly where all of the resistances come from, if you hover over them in the sidebar

shell sedge
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i dont think the "fix" did anything tbh

random nest
clever hazel
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if you're at the top of the page, and can see "Blessings | Equipment | Idols" -> hover over the flower backdrop above that and it will say "Click to open in LEPlanner"

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basically that entire red box is clickable and will open the link above

random nest
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oof I see what I have been missing

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he takes a lot of resistance from vitality which he gets from Idols

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That will be kinda hard to come by

shell sedge
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theres an "all res while channeling" affix for relics

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if u can get a 2lp relic u can go for that + mana

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alternatively just go red ring over crab ring to cover resis for now

random nest
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Yeaaa I have been hoping to come by one of these

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for now I`ll use Omnis

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JUST on the first map I open after this conversation

(bad roll on the melee void damage but hey, I`ll take it)

high narwhal
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Any fg can check if this interaction is true?
So if fg have serpent milk which give 200% poison on hit chance to minion, but because you have phantom grip (stats on glove apply to minion) and carrion of creation (convert ailment to bleed) now serpent milk give 200% bleed on hit to forged weapon?
I test it and gain huge bleed from usual 1k to 1,4k but i want to check if this true?

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This is cool and all but 1.4k bleed still tickle aberoth. Maybe theres something that can boost my damage further from this interaction

eternal idol
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so did they fix warpath or what ? I see no diffirence on the warpath constantly stopping without no reason. Rolled back the patch? not deployed yet?

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or does the patch work only inside the echoes and doesnt work in town test environment maby ?

waxen nymph
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It seems like the patch, despite their best effort, wasn't enough to fix the issue

fallow echo
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still getting interupted

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1260 mana

waxen nymph
wooden mountain
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I thought minions couldn't get that ailment conversion from the gloves

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Learn something new every day

steady yew
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Did they increase the odds of getting multi exalted item compared to previous seasons?

waxen nymph
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No

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They even nerfed the main way we had to print them

steady yew
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and they are ofc useless for me

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all of the 4 in the right corner are either multi t6/t7 or like the belt 2 t7

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and this was in 4 echos

alpine sage
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damn

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shield bash fg is one of the strongest thing that goes well with bruality+rampancy

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it has block already

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which is tanky

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it has good enough armor

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it has the fang of berserker belt grants increased health leech while frenzy to balance with reduced health leech with brutality

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and the shield bash's mana cost is enough to make it does well with brutality

young lynx
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Sounds like creqting solutions for the problems you made for yourself

alpine sage
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I mean people are literally using same strategy with ES vk and harvest flay lich

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while shield bash can still do so but they are better and tankier due to block and shield and res slam for shield

wooden monolith
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attack speed doesnt work with shield bash right ? isn t frenzy and rampancy useless with shield bash ?

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tried rampancy on my rive vk and it s 100% useless. i need to compensate the resist and hp loss and cant use pyramidal wiche lower the dps.after some tests, with rampancy, UA kill is 2'30, without rampancy 2'30 ! maybe it s better with paladin, paladin has resists in its tree and

alpine sage
wooden monolith
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ok

alpine sage
wooden monolith
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i need to remove the pyramidal altar and remove dps idols for resists adols yeah

alpine sage
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oh

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that's huge dmg loss

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for shield bash

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have 20% resists from red ring

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slam t7 resist from shield

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add 20% from blessing

sonic grotto
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I never played with void cleave as a traversal, holy shit that thing is so much fun

alpine sage
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you should reach 60+ necrotic and poison resists

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and you are very tanky due to block

wooden monolith
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you need to test your dps with rampancy and without, with my rive vk, rampancy is 100% useless ^^

alpine sage
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rive... does not have block to make up with that

alpine sage
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rampancy is useless in most cases tbh

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tested with my spellblade

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and multistrike

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that's because in these builds I can use the exulis ring to have whooping 20 attributes. And I don't benefits from any other conversion

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only in some special case you combine it with brutality it will be strong

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like ES, Shield Bash

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since their mana cost is too tempting for me

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In shield bash you can slam resists from shield

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have 1 red ring

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and have 20 res from blessing

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res is not a problem for it

wooden monolith
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ok

alpine sage
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not sure about rive

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since you can't slam resists from shield

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and do you use red ring in rive?

wooden monolith
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yes

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1

alpine sage
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why not 2?

alpine canopy
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Doom

wooden monolith
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because i use 1 anguish

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for doom and some leech

alpine sage
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you have leech from fang and immortals already

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and the VK passive nodes

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like tons of them

wooden monolith
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yeah, it was a quick test, didn t use fang, i have tested with old gear (frenzy crown)

alpine sage
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and why sacrifice a lot of idols that gives huge flat dmg instead of only sacrifice a single ring that only gives 16% more dmg?

wooden monolith
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it was a test without fang, with frenzy crown

alpine sage
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ah ok

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for my case

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my uberroth kill time halved only by using rampancy+brutality

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it's insanely strong

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and shield bash mana cost is 13.5

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that is enough to make it strong

wooden monolith
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that swhat noobzor use in his builds

alpine sage
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sadly I cannot use it with throwing builds

wooden monolith
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have to go to work, see ya later

alpine sage
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see you

alpine sage
buoyant ginkgo
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How long

alpine sage
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with full t7 gears, 1 min 10 sec to 39 sec

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just offline testing with perfect gears

umbral breach
waxen nymph
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@minor elbow technically shield Throw Crit Chance also scale the spell part

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😏😏

minor elbow
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silence, let me have this

waxen nymph
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😂

minor elbow
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lol

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ngl tho...the aura on hammers actually feels pretty good...if you also scaled TR dmg with it...i think it'd be pretty good

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and the fork chance on ST idols, effectively doubles damage if you build to get it to 100%, FG with siegons would go ham with double dmg

waxen nymph
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Even on single target?

waxen nymph
minor elbow
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i mean you gotta get hit, but getting 100% block is easy

fervent raven
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As a Warpath VK - do I need to have Abyssal Echoes on my skill bar? I kinda run Lunge for occasional movement.

serene oyster
# fervent raven As a Warpath VK - do I need to have Abyssal Echoes on my skill bar? I kinda run ...

Technically, no. But you’d still want to spec into Abyssal Echoes to benefit from the nodes. So you’d be using a naked Lunge. To add onto this, once you’ve unlocked and started using Warriors Fury node in the Warpath tree, you won’t want to cancel your channel, as the damage takes 10 seconds to fully ramp.

My suggestion would be to just find some sources of movement speed like better boots.

wooden monolith
alpine sage
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and it is affected by frenzy effectiveness iirc

wooden monolith
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so brutality can t remove the entire life leech ? even if you got a lot of str ?

alpine sage
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yes

wooden monolith
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ho nice

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need to test this belt

alpine sage
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btw it's just reduced life leech effect

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if you have 300 str you have 150% reduced life leech

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so even if I have 5 from berserker and 4 from doom ring

wooden monolith
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100% means you have no leech ?

alpine sage
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I can still have at least 3% life leech?

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idk, I thought 100% means half life leech?

wooden monolith
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i don t know how it works, that s why a like to test in the game, i am not a math guy

alpine sage
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not maths

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wording

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it's about the definition and wording

serene oyster
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50% is half, 100% is no healing, and 150% you heal the enemy. 😂

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||^ joke btw 🙂||

wooden monolith
alpine sage
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ok good

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need to remove brutality

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just asked the dev

alpine canopy
wooden monolith
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ha that s what i thought !

alpine canopy
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There is a blessing that gives increased leech, which would directly counter that. I think some VK passives might have it as well?

wooden monolith
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yes

gusty abyss
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afaik, just this on anomaly

alpine canopy
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Oh nvm, VK only has increased leech rate passives, but yeah the time bubble has it

wooden monolith
alpine sage
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so brutality is suitable for i) under 100 str

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uses a melee skill with mana

wooden monolith
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it s 0,5 per str, with 100 str you still have 50% leech

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so 200 str you don t leech

alpine sage
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huge penalty for a 200+ str stacking like fg

wooden monolith
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yep, not good for shield bash, but i thought you ve tested brutality with shield bash !

alpine sage
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test vs uberroth

wooden monolith
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so you had no leech right ?

alpine sage
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which I don't need leech due to stun lock him

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now just tested vs mobs

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yeah no leech

wooden monolith
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ok

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that sucks, i am not skilled enough to dodge evrything, i need leech on UA

alpine sage
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I need leech for farming too :)))

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so

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brutality and rampancy might be best for some builds that needs i) strength-based but does not scales insanely with it or ii) dual attribute scaling skills like strength+deterxity scaling

wooden monolith
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i guess it s good with erasing strike

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you dont build str everywhere, you need mana

alpine sage
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ES does not stack strengh insanely

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another candidate is forge strike

orchid flint
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you stack around like 50 str

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for es

alpine sage
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that skill does not need insane strength

orchid flint
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you need like 30 i believe

alpine sage
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problem with shield bash is it has the iron arm node

wooden monolith
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shield bash is a str stacker

alpine sage
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and physical pen just from strength

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multistrike has no mana cost :)))

wooden monolith
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yeah it s erasing strike, void cleave builds

alpine sage
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also forge strike

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it has good mana cost

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does not scale insanely with strength

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stack like 150 is sufficient

wooden monolith
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brutality+rampancy is not good for your ehp , you loose your armor, resists, health...

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and leech

thorny spoke
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Hey guys. Random question. How's warpath vs uber aberroth right now. Well suited for the encounter? Approx clear time?

Also, how is it vs Omen's Veil?

wooden monolith
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warpath is good on everithing

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omens, bossing, speed farming

serene oyster
wooden monolith
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UA clear time, it depends on your gear

junior knoll
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so guys for a fire captain america build would you go forge guard or paladdin?

alpine sage
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fg is the maximal corrupted idol affix on your side is not bugged

fringe barn
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Was running a fire spin2win and was having a hard time to get some of the stuff together to really put it out there. Decided to change to void spin2win and have a half ass build together, but it’s already night and day on effectiveness

alpine sage
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check if it works with your idols

fringe barn
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Is there a way to increase tiers on corrupted idols or are people just getting lucky with them dropping?

orchid flint
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random

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also corrupted count as lp for rerolling stats btw

next lynx
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around which level is warpath viable for leveling, before getting all the good gear for the build

wooden monolith
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lv1

next lynx
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nice, wanted to try this build as my 3rd alt and i love leveling with the build im going to play

wooden monolith
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not lv 1, you need a few points in the reduce mana cost node in warpath tree

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but once warpath is free, it s ok

next lynx
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thanks

proper viper
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Had similar questions, just because I hate to spend gold to respec later on.
Anyone have a warpath leveling build they'd recommend? I've seen a couple from 1.2.
I know it'll be slower than doing another leveling build, and I'm ok with that.

waxen nymph
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For an alt?

proper viper
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Not really, I have a rogue as well but it's not end game yet, so no passing gear on

waxen nymph
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I am sure you can find a pair of darkstride and a Dreamthorn

proper viper
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I don't have any right now, pretty sure without checking, but yeah, I'm sure I could. You have a leveling build with them?

waxen nymph
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Well you equip the 2 and spin to empowered

gilded gale
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Does this change to electrify if you make smite lightning?

waxen nymph
gilded gale
stable stump
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i tested these two, i kill bosses faster with the attack speed one but still dont know which one is better

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thoughts? 😅

clear onyx
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for void knight skills does the DPS estimate tooltip take into account echo chance?

orchid flint
clear onyx
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ah ok, im wondering if avatar of regret is worth the trade off for increased mana cost for erasing strike

iron basin
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the furnace calls to me

remote iris
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While channeling WP: Void Essence consumed to refund mana works only one time ; 2nd time never worked; am i missing a nerf effect ?

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Nvm just found out it gots 4 sec cd 🙂

safe oasis
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flat mana on relic is something the world splitter stackers go for a lot right?

alpine sage
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hmm

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forge strike's dmg is so trash

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it needs the brutality+rampancy to have average bossing dmg

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btw

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is smelter's wrath still a meme this season?

alpine sage
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@wooden monolith rive has 0 mana cost right?

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so it cannot benefit from brutality

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sadge

fallow echo
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1268 mana, 67% reduced channel cost, still getting interrupted constantly while spinning

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what should I do?

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for now I have to put some point in reduced channel cost node

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seemed to reduce the the chance that happens

remote iris
# fallow echo what should I do?

Seems high enough mana and channel reduction you got bro
If you want to keep spining
Then i advice you to minimize Warrior’s Fury node from 5/5 to less than that

broken bronze
#

Hallo, can anyone help me with figuring out why I cannot sustain warpath with decent gear, even though every planner says its possible. Whelp.

remote iris
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Share your build

broken bronze
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How do I share it?

remote iris
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Link your build planner

broken bronze
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I got no clue how to import my build to a planner, meh

summer crow
broken bronze
remote iris
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Suggests :
remove skill point from unchained and invest it in molten path ( 2 mana reduction will effect the slightest comparing to increased 20 mana cost per second )
1k mana is kinda enough - the issue is because of nerfed cap effect of warrior’s fury that made targeting its max a cornerstone - mana burn drastically increases
Volca build updated couple of days ago suggesting to switch Titan armor LP1+ slam from t7 + skill to warpath to basically t7 mana

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Whats your corruption level so far ?

broken bronze
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Its low, but im not really focused on corrupted I guess. I got 2 other chars doing much higher

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I tried removing a few points into fury but obviously dmg dropped and placed em in -cost but ye

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they all say u can have max fury and still make it work

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I cannot

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sure I can get helm with 200 more mana and 2-3 lp slams on armor etc, mking it 1300-1400 mana

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maybe thats enough at the end

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but it just seems kinda oof u need 3 lp items to even make it work

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when all planners are like ITS EASY

remote iris
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You can make it work
You just want to master Void Well ( mana refund skill tree node ) that i am doing rn

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Here is my build its less thank yours and can make it tell 750 corruption so far

broken bronze
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Im sure I would "kill" 1.5k corruption tbh but its not really my point. I wanna be able to just keep spinning while chilling hehe 🙂 u have 100% uptime without a t8 affex cost redcution on helm?

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and 780 mana...

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im doing something wrong then lol

remote iris
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I am unlucky enough this season bruh

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If you can handle until 1.5 k than i can say you mastered WP

broken bronze
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yeah u must have been, when u can just buy it all hehe 🙂

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is the market bad this season or no dupers around so stuff actually have value?

remote iris
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Maaan sellers are extremely expensive this season mfers

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One more thing bro you need Lion Subtype helmet for crtical bonus reduction

broken bronze
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yeah, helm is a temp forsure

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most items are

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just saying, its still 64% reduction

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should be able to spin to win without having to studderstep stop every second time I reach 0 mana

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its so stupid

remote iris
#

On my opinion my helmet is way better than yours even if its t6 mana cost reduction

remote iris
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Mobs can’t one hit crit kill me

fallow echo
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I get interrupted once every 3-4 void well proc or something

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or if I stop and start spinning again at around 250 mana or less

remote iris
fallow echo
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was it like this last season?

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oh we never supposed to spin forever before

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🤔

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but still ppl was spinning for more than 1mins

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here we get like 30s top before interrupted

broken bronze
#

i wonder if I got like 1700 mana, it would be possible, with the recover being like 500 mana almost

remote iris
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With high-end gear YES
But you know imrpint nerfed
So its waaay longer to got those in hands

waxen nymph
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Maybe something got broken with Void Well

remote iris
waxen nymph
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Did it got up from last season?

remote iris
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Idk

waxen nymph
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But I meant more in a interaction, smth got broken

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Because last season there was a cd too

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But it seemed way smoother

remote iris
#

Agreed

true raptor
wooden mountain
true raptor
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Oh no

fallow echo
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300k favor at 500 corruption not a single t7 channeling cost helm

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imprint is cooked

true raptor
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not sure that is how imprint works anyway

austere frost
#

An attempt is always made but no they made it worse now

austere frost
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They procs are fine but they basically made the multi exalts no exist so you will have a huge trouble even finding a 2t7 with a 90% less multi exalt nerf

fallow echo
#

maybe it isn't too late to make a new toon for trade

austere frost
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Well i watch the devs video yesterday I think they released and even though the feedback they got is mostly like they overdid it ,most likely you will have to wait for next league if they decide to reverse some of it or at least dont make it this bad,cause for this league I doubt and even them that they will reverse anything

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Trade should be ok for now,take advantage of the people now cause later it becomes quite dead

true raptor
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I don't expect they will, problem is it was definitely too strong and when you take something strong away from the playerbase they almost always react negatively

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Getting LPs and multi exalt items has been made far too easy imo

austere frost
#

There is no good system in place as of right now to gear up imo

fallow echo
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is it

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u need double exalt then u need another rng to slam the correct one

austere frost
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Imprints not existing what it does is that shows how all the gear systems in this game work and how bad they are ,is loot in the ground good nope,is crafting with huge fp cost good nope,is julra destroying many many slams good nope,you can keep going if you want

buoyant ginkgo
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Pray the Nemesis, may he bless you

austere frost
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Imprints were great cause no matter what bad system I had to go through to gear my character ,it gave me so many more chances to succed i bricked 8 3lp titan hearth for my warpath is feels godawful sorry,before i could still make ot happen again now nope

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I did like 400 nemesis and I got like maybe 1 full tab 😅 I guess spam meta nemesis

buoyant ginkgo
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Nice

austere frost
#

Thats being said none of the exalts are of use for my builds since its random so yeah deterministic crafting something for some reason we cant have although we need

buoyant ginkgo
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Do they really read feedback ? 😅

austere frost
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Idk sometimes feels like not

buoyant ginkgo
#

Who will complain for loot in arpg xd ?

austere frost
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But at least watching the stream video it feels they do now are they gonna do something about it ,no most likely cause they are very stubborn

austere frost
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You drop a 2t7 exalts doing omens content since they had boosted loot most likely well its corrupted nice one

buoyant ginkgo
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I dont even look at corrupted loots

quaint hearth
#

Honestly, they should just add mana leech as affix

buoyant ginkgo
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Why

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Warpath stuff again ?

austere frost
fallow echo
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why would they need to nerf COF tho, is it too strong, for what?

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COF are ppl playing alone

austere frost
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Imprint nerf affect both factions but is a lot worse for cof

fallow echo
#

well...

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sound kinda depressing

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I played since s2 and saw nothing but compliment on how CoF is a good SSF system

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so it has to get nerfed i guess

hallow knoll
#

I don't like trade in this game and then they go and ruin imprinting for CoF so it's pretty sad atm

fallow echo
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I tried most build this league but only stop at 1 affix each non-unique item

austere frost
fallow echo
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now for the first time im trying to get 2 affix exalt that i hit this wall

hallow knoll
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I pretty much gave up on getting double exalted affix tbh, I stop at T7 T5 and a corrupted modifier and move onto the next build

buoyant vale
#

Yo everyone, im looking to start a time rot build and apperently the mistia shield throw variant should be pretty good. Is there a big difference between the titan heart vs legends entwined setup? Currently debating between the two.

austere frost
fallow echo
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so basically what he said was, because they add player power to this season, imprint has to go

austere frost
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Yeah pretty much

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2t7 is still way better than 1 t7 plus corrupt on many slots but they did add power

buoyant vale
austere frost
buoyant vale
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Allright, thank you for the help

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Any recommended void knight leveling setup? Or better to start with paladin and switch?

austere frost
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Best leveling skill of Sentinel

barren spire
#

Guys where do i find runes of havoc?
I need tons of them but I can't never find them and I'm stuck cause of it 🙁

versed sedge
alpine canopy
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Aside from that, just grab all the rune things you can, like the runes in Weaver tree, rune rewards from beast evos, etc.

buoyant terrace
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Hi, any sentinel builds now that can easily farm uberroth? like under 2minute kill?

versed sedge
wooden monolith
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if you re skilled, noobzor' s builds (1 min ua kill with erasing strike)

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with garbage gear

buoyant terrace
hoary adder
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hi all 🙂

buoyant terrace
wooden monolith
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16 str

quasi totem
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So I know it got nerfed hard but reflect paladin should still be able to do C500 this season, yea? I don't care about going past that really

buoyant terrace
wooden monolith
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yep, with good gear, fight is gonna be like 30 sc ^^

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no resist, no hp, no armor and no leech though, this build is not for me !

buoyant terrace
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probably it's hard to farm UA with it unless you're always in top condition + plus good RNGs everytime.

brave latch
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No need for rng when you're hitting him from invuln phase to invuln phase

buoyant terrace
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yeah but unless you have calculated all the objects flying around (and the circles on the floor) too. so that's why i included that scenario "RNG".

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Still it's an awesome build, 999%.

brave latch
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No need to calculate, just dodge the giant orb on ur screen

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The rest is a scripted dance at that point

buoyant terrace
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Yeah for him even more. I saw him beat UA with ES 2 seasons ago too. damn

brave latch
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Did so too, it's pretty chill with ES cuz you can walk out of stuff so easily while still maintaining good dmg thus life leech, mostly mitigating the floor hazards, especially in the very last phase

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His hyper offensive build seems quite funny tho and can be hella optimized even without unrealistic LP/Corruptions

austere frost
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I think if he stacks vitality he can squeeze more damage to be honest than with brutality stacking

brave latch
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Isn't it more atk speed than dmg which somewhat caps eventually due to mana limitations?

austere frost
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100 streng is 20% more damage ,and every 33 vitality is 15% more damage basically

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Frenzy belt scales very hard with rampancy

brave latch
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Oh yea nvm, overlooked that

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Never seen the belt before*/didn't pay it much attention, didn't play season 3

austere frost
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Also 200 brutality means normally you have no leech so I would do like 100 maybe and go full vitality afterwards

austere frost
brave latch
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Lmao..

austere frost
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This reason why sword catcher is very nerfed but idk they kinda over did it again

wooden monolith
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for last epoch devs, nerf = kill

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imprint is dead, not nerfed ^^

brave latch
#

How does the belt scale with %increased frenzy
So with 14% more melee damage while frenzy and 300% increased frenzy you get 14*4 = 56% melee dmg?

austere frost
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I love the answer well sword catcher doesn't get used that much but needs to be adjusted boom 50% nerf since we are fixing frenzy belt and buffing it you cant have both be op

austere frost
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You can squeeze easily close to 600%

brave latch
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Yea okay, the same as I described

austere frost
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You also take 3 to 6% increased damage

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Per 100% frenzy effect

alpine sage
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@austere frost hmm, forge strike is actually very good for the brutality+rampancy combo

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rive cant

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it has no mana cost

austere frost
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Yeah but brutality doesn't even scale that well now rampancy holy moly

alpine sage
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forge strike has 30 mana cost

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it scales insanely well

austere frost
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Mana cost its capped i am pretty sure at 20

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So it doesnt matter if the skill has 100 mana cost ,20 more always at 100 streng

alpine sage
#

I thought up to 20 means that you can have up to 20% more dmg per 1 mana cost?

alpine canopy
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The 20 cap is on mana scaling

alpine sage
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since they word as follows: each point gives 0.02% more dmg per 1 mana cost (up to 20)

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so I thought that 20 means like above

alpine canopy
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Costs over 20 are the same as a 20 mana cost skill in terms of brutality

austere frost
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Yeah only streng scales the damage basically at 20

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100 its 20 and 200 its 40 no

alpine sage
#

so what is 20 here? 20% more dmg, or won't it scale for over 20 mana cost?

alpine canopy
alpine sage
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ok

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so forge strike has over 20 mana cost

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which is still well

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since it exceeds the cap

alpine canopy
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So at 200 brutality with a 20+ mana cost skill, you get 80% more damage

alpine sage
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nah I have 182 brutality

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need to left some for leech

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the leech is balanced with rampancy and fang belt

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because the belt has the leech while under frenzy effect

fervent raven
#

Is there a way to pick things up during Warpath other than frantically left-clicking? Like, is there a "loot nearby item" feature or something? Kinda tired of dropping my stacks all the time.

wooden lynx
wooden monolith
fluid grove
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Hey is there any fast levelling build for sentinel?

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Maybe something with hammers?

brave latch
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Hammer throw into javelin at lvl 20 or so iirc
Maxroll lvling guide

orchid flint
delicate tusk
grave sage
#

can adorned idol be changed into throne of ambition somehow?

waxen nymph
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No

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Drop only

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from the stolen lance boss

grave sage
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ok I'll look for it there

fringe barn
#

Is there always a preference for 2H when doing void warpath?

crude matrixBOT
#

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (75) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,712, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 298.27, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 45 Str / 11 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 85% / 97% / 101% / 89% / 37% / 67%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 90%, Threshold: 1,075
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (83)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,652)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 16%

fringe barn
#

I started rocking this set again and it slices, the echo does decent damage as well

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I definitely need more health so don't look at that 😄

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Oof, I just noticed my necrotic res as well

strong marten
#

fellas i just tired warpath and i saw that they were supposed to have fixed a bug where channeling got interrupted even if you got the mana back but it still happens? just not always, like 30% of the time maybe it interrupts me even though i get the mana back instantly, do i not know something?

gusty prism
#

im still a little confused about how to get such high reduced channel cost on the helm for warpath

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ive only seen it in the 20s

strong marten
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get it on tier 7 and rune of ascension

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sorry evolution

gusty prism
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idk what that means im pretty new to this

strong marten
#

it has to be a tier 7 affix and then you can use rune of evolution from the rift beast merchant to make it a special tier 8 affix, with ranges of 62-68% reduction

gusty prism
#

also is there a better way to farm world splitter than just killing the black sun harbinger and resetting the empowered monolith

gusty prism
strong marten
#

you can fight the special woven echoes with harbingers but the drop rate is the same, only real way to get it more reliably is higher corruption and having high level in circle of fortune to increase boss drop rates

fringe barn
#

So you put warpath on your helm instead of body armor?

EDIT: Nevermind, I reread

manic cradle
#

I’ve been testing forge strike with sunforged set with spamming strikes to ignite enemies… combined with wildfire embers and stun chance idols (they increase forge strike dot damage)

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Not horrible tbh

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Pretty good aoe

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But laaaack a single target dmg

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With mediocre gear I was able to do 700c

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But my dps was only around 1m

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And I couldn’t see how it could be scaled above 3-4m even with super good gear

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But if anyone has not tried, I highly recommend sunforged set for leveling

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It’s actually way above my expectations

wooden monolith
strong marten
#

damn that would make sense, but really this often? i can sometimes spin through the enitre echo and sometimes it literally stops me every time, kinda sucks

dusk sonnet
#

can i somehow decide which one of the t7s i upgrade to t8?

silk wasp
#

No

craggy cairn
#

Could a Build around Tu'ranis work? 🤔 Haven't found really much synergies :/

wooden monolith
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Yes

silk wasp
#

I think someone had a turani's build last season. Might've been a different spear

craggy cairn
silk wasp
#

It was Mistia, but I was thinking of their Judicator build.

wooden monolith
craggy cairn
alpine canopy
wooden mountain
#

electrify is basically paladin only

alpine canopy
#

or a weird hybrid of both, I guess, now that pally has that crit multi scaling electrify thing

worn garden
#

Well I just cooked hard. I haven't played this build since 1.0 and now with all the goodies... pops should be doing 50million bleed pops atleast, hard to guess how much the forking factors in too.

crude matrixBOT
#
Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (27) / Paladin (51)

General:

▸ Health: 3,391, Regen: 307.32/s
▸ Mana: 306.2, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 8 Dex / 8 Int / 53 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 72% / 72% / 99% / 95% / 39% / 59%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 77%, Threshold: 962
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,969)
▸ Block Chance: 9%, Mitigation: 34% (918)

worn garden
#

Its prob way more then that im just being conservative. Last I played i was doing 20million pops over 2 years ago

wispy crater
#

hey all ! is there any proper and working build with lightning javelin , mean like javazon from d2 ? love using this skill but kinda lost now.. havent tryed this rain type javelin build but really want play like throwing em

gilded gale
#

Does anyone know of a way to farm Large sentinel idols with specific affixes? Or is it just a matter of getting lucky? Need smite pref, HP suffix.

Am I just relying on prophecies and hoping to get lucky?

worn garden
gilded gale
silk wasp
#

Health suffix is rare. Good luck

supple iris
#

If I had a pretty solid like... Corruption 550-600 judgement spam paladin from season 1.5 or whatever we want to call that, and would rather just work on him rather than start fresh, what new stuff would be good to aim for besides the corrupted idols and idol layouts?

gilded gale
#

Smite guide I'm following from Maxroll has like... 5? hahahahah don't know how one is supposed to achieve such gear

median perch
#

Was levelling a Paladin to play Javelin but using Judgement leveling and this is more fun than I thought

#

Maybe I should stay, but Jav looks and sounds dope too

gilded gale
#

Both fun in different ways. I like the juggle of having to keep judgment up, but not before dodging and using jav first

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I like the clear for jav

median perch
#

Do I stand a chance at scaling Jav to Uber Abby?

#

I’d love to have that broken relic one day lol

unborn cypress
#

Which blessing for the Black Sun are Judge Paladins using?

alpine sage
#

hmm

#

idk it is a fact or not

#

but healing hand sucks as a traversal skill

#

reversal or shield rush is way better

austere frost
median perch
austere frost
median perch
#

Neat, what’s the setup/gear that Lightning uses? I don’t see much motion online for Lightning Jav other than people wishing it got the love phys Jav has

grave sage
#

is there a better stat for belt as aura judgement? currently it need ward gained on potion used, not sure I'd have to press potion often to do that

quaint hearth
glossy canopy
#

Void knight, would flat melee damage or % damage give me more damage?

austere frost
main heath
#

I can't get this affix to appear

#

Added spell damage with a shield and Added spell damage with a 2h axe

glossy canopy
austere frost
glossy canopy
#

Okay so go with flat first. Thank you

main heath
austere frost
main heath
austere frost
#

Good luck with that grind

main heath
safe oasis
#

what's the warpath guide that everyone's following

austere frost
grave sage
#

LOL I screwed up...using damage over time instead of elemental damage over time ugh

#

when I slammed it

true raptor
#

Could be worse I suppose

tropic veldt
#

what is better? Crit multi or %Inc Void Damage>

#

?

heavy pine
#

Any build suggestions that could use this weapon? Maybe some fire warpath ig?

waxen nymph
#

Flame reave? Slammed on a volcanus?

heavy pine
#

can you slam corrupted items?

waxen nymph
#

Oh!

#

My bad

#

Didn't realise it was corrupted

#

No you can't

heavy pine
#

rip then

visual moat
#

does void well passive have internal cd?

waxen nymph
#

4 sec ?

pseudo parcel
#

Haven't played since S2. Is Judgement still good for Uber? (I saw there were some nerfs)

silk wasp
#

Depends on how you build it. The immortal facetank method is slow and harder to gear than it was. Aura is faster but more technically demanding

pseudo parcel
#

I'll go HC again so .. probably what I'm used to. Aura looks neat though, I consider that for a second character

#

I just want to farm a couple gloves and relics and then ditch the Judgement again, worked well in S2

#

The rarity of the new amulet doesn't exactly instill confidence though 😅

vernal meteor
#

New player leveling paladin from the maxroll guide ... he is soo tanky

quasi forum
silk wasp
#

I'm sure there's a carrion creation bleed build I could put together with this somehow

waxen nymph
#

FG Multistrike

wooden mountain
#

does event horizon require a direct usage of a melee attack to gain dilation or do indirect attacks count?

peak zodiac
#

direct only

pseudo parcel
#

Me whenever I'm rolling a Sentinel

tired sorrel
#

does manifest armor get stats from uniques? or just stats from exhalts? im curious how it might iteract with a primordial like Carrion gloves

peak zodiac
#

kinda depends on the unique, for carrion the ailment conversions would work

twin wharf
#

hey guys im wondering, in volcas vk smite build he uses ladle and im wondering if wrongwarp maybe is better? 48% vs 184% increased dmg (from my 92%movespeed) or am i missing something? is the ladle damage a mult and wrongwarp just increased?

waxen nymph
#

Ladle > More Dmg > Multiplicative

#

Wrong Wrap > Inc Dmg

twin wharf
#

ok makes sense

radiant tangle
#

Sorry. Crap image quality because on SDeck.

FINALLY got a max roll dual T7 for thorns build! Just need a 3lp chest now!

barren spire
#

Could someone explain me how to set up beasts to drop havoc runes?

waxen nymph
#

When you choose how to evolve your beasts

#

One of the evolution can offer your rares runes as a reward

barren spire
waxen nymph
#

I dont know any specific breakpoints

brave latch
hidden nebula
#

which is better for forged minion build clotho needle or apathys maw?

native sable
#

Hey guys, small question please, I play warpath, I have my T8 helmet and 1226 mana and I struggle to sustain even 4 points in warrior's fury. Am i doing something wrong ?

orchid flint
native sable
opaque crow
#

Anyone played both normal and aura Judgement? Is one better than the other? Running normal, dunno if worth swapping to Aura

waxen nymph
#

Aura is way more dmg

serene oyster
silk wasp
#

Be cool if MA would behave properly around the training dummy so I could get a reading on dps

native sable
serene oyster
native sable
#

Yup, at least from what I just tried

serene oyster
#

OH I forgot, is your Devouring cost below 10 mana?

#

@native sable

native sable
serene oyster
#

ahhh that's why

#

This node here gets it there, the lower the better.

#

But ideally under 10. As you stop channeling when below -10 mana.

native sable
#

Will def give it a try, been following maxroll guide and seems your tree is much different ahah, thank you !

serene oyster
#

If by Volca, he just updated it I think yesterday. Might wanna check again or refresh.

#

Biggest change is Devouring Orb tree and flat mana on chest.

native sable
#

Oh damn yeah ! It's not the same one

#

Thank you

serene oyster
#

No problem!

grave sage
#

should I leave loot filter on normal, since I'm looking for at least T5 channeling cost reduction? since I am on strict

native sable
shrewd skiff
#

I jsut got this 3LP is 1 in 12 000 is there any meta spec that uses this?

silk wasp
#

No

shrewd skiff
#

ty

acoustic epoch
#

Do forged weapons factor in offhand weapon into their dmg? Or only main hand? I saw a video claiming it was but havent seen anything to back it up

silk wasp
#

They add both weapon stats like any other skill

acoustic epoch
#

Thanks

steel stirrup
#

Are tier 3 omen rifts supposed to be rly hard ? Or am I just bad ? I'm playing crit hammerdin with Primal Cadence at 500cc and getting destroyed...

waxen nymph
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They are tough

steel stirrup
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Maybe I should swap to bleed hammerdin because the crit one has 0 defense

south ledge
crude matrixBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 3: Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (88) / Forge Guard (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,516, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 228.51, Regen: 9.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 96 Str / 15 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 59 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 75% / 72% / 96% / 165% / 109% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 703
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (168)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,208)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 79%

south ledge
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My build with it from S3, can highly recommend. Absurdly tanky and well ES always does damage

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Also killed uberroth with it

fallow juniper
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@serene oyster and @native sable thanks for your discussion as I'm facing the same issue... I have 1159 Mana, made the changes of Volca, my devouring orb cost is at 7,5, and I still can't indefinitely sustain even 4pts in WF...
I still have the auto cast of abyssal echoe though (abyssal tempest), cost 35 mana this stuff. Maybe that's the issue ? But why volca and so many others keep that then? Thanks
When I remove the auto cast I actually already sustain de 5WF, but the downside is a huge damage downgrade. One that does not help while trying Ubber Aby. For maps, np of course 🙂
So I'm actually wondering if it's worth putting mana on the chest, cause the 1159 Mana is with + 4 warpath ont he chest and that's all...

urban sage
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hey can someone explain to me why Erasing strike plays falcon fists? what's useful about them besides the melee attack speed?

silk wasp
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That it. It has free attack speed and some extra flat damage

tropic veldt
native sable
serene oyster
quaint hearth
serene oyster
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Also flat damage right, @quaint hearth

fallow juniper
# serene oyster We just have to deal with it for the moment, there have been fixes made that the...

Ok so no choice we must remove the abyssal thing in the meantime right... Hard to make ubber aby without it cause my character is not OP atm...
But side question then, how about erasing strike? I have a friend playing it and he struggles a lot. He has 850 mana, maybe that's why, but he does not have the abyssal bug cause they don't use that skill. But they use devouring orb and his was around 15 mana cost! So I advised him to change the nodes to what volca made for warpath (he did not change it yet on erasing strike). Cause we share the same skill tree, so I guess that will help him to get a 7,5 mana cost devouring instead of his previous 15 mana cost.. It doe snot seem to solve his overall issue though, I guess he's lacking too much mana.

But here is a thing i don't understand, if the main issue is the fact that below -10 Mana your character do not get back the 30% mana (void well etc), how come more mana could solve that? Cause more mana simply gives you back more (the 30%), but he does not have an impact on the -mana situation...

serene oyster
# fallow juniper Ok so no choice we must remove the abyssal thing in the meantime right... Hard t...

I only played ES briefly this season, so consider that with what I am about to say. But I think that ES, depending on how much attack speed you have, can hit the 4 second internal cooldown of Void Well pretty easily. They are a bit more strict with how much mana they need based on how much attack speed they have. So you'll want to trade attack speed for damage. Big Bonks, not fast bonks. But someone who has played it longer may be able to give you a more confident answer.

Now for your question about more mana solving the issue. I don't actually believe it solves the issue, it just allows it to happen more infrequently. Because Abyssal Tempest casts every 5 seconds, if that timing happens to land while you are 0-25 mana, since AE costs 35, it brings you to -10. More mana means you spend less time in that small window where it could overlap.

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If you ever said to yourself "Ahhh this feels so much better", after making mana adjustments, and then later, "Hmmm, it still happens sometimes though.. why?". You know exactly what I am talking about haha.

fallow juniper
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The mechanic is a bit too complex imo. They could achieve the same by simply stating that you need a certain amount of mana for each point in warrior's fury, and if you achieve it you have infinite mana.
For example :

  • 2 pts in WF requires 600 mana
  • 3 for 800 mana
  • 4 for 1000 mana
  • 5 for 1200 mana

That would be easier to understand and also code... 🙂

serene oyster
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I agree. I fully believe that without the bug, you’ll be able to sustain 5/5 with AE with 1200. We just have to wait for update 🙁

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Are you suggesting that Warriors Fury should make warpath cost 0 mana, but that each point in it cost -250 mana or something?

native sable
fading gulch
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Hei everyone... Someone playing void warpath in the endgame? I'm a little bit stuck with my build and was hoping someone can maybe give me some tips 🙂

silk wasp
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Post it

fading gulch
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https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bak3Wlxz

At the moment i try to farm "Fractured Prison" but it took me far too long so i'm dying everytime after he hits me 2-3 times 🙂 maybe someone cann tell me which items/mods i should change.

crude matrixBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,426, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 601.84, Regen: 13.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 10/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 12 Dex / 7 Int / 10 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 79% / 134% / 91% / 139% / 89% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 89%, Threshold: 1,234
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,360)

silk wasp
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You need more mana and t8 channel cost reduction

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You're 50 pts short for red ring, so replace that

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Losing a lot of damage wearing darkstride instead of army of skin

fading gulch
silk wasp
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Can't go wrong with crab

fading gulch
tardy marsh
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Do you guys prefer crit multi or void shred blessing?

serene oyster
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If you have void shred on Devouring Orb (Rending Maw node), you go crit multi, If not, you get the void shred blessing.

manic cradle
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I'm working on a new Bee Paladin build

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I just reached 50m damage per Abyssal echo pop

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the idea is to throw shields and ricochet them off the bees spawned using idols

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im reaching 4000 stacks of bleed on a single target, with 2000 tooltip damage per bleed

quasi forum
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Nice

white abyss
remote iris
remote iris
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Do you get 100 % crtic chance ?

white abyss
fallow juniper
# serene oyster Are you suggesting that Warriors Fury should make warpath cost 0 mana, but that ...

Nop, I'm suggesting that the level of WF should be linked to the mana pool directly and the consequence would be a garanteed infinite mana. There are lots of ways to make it happen. For example the points in the skill WF could be available only after a mana pool check. If I'm taking my examples above, that would mean if you have 700 mana, you could only put 2 points in WF. And the consequence is that you are always garanteed infinite mana if the conditions are check.

remote iris
barren spire
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Am I the only one who can't craft nothing this season?
I never find runes of havoc and I cant roll anything to imprint

manic cradle
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I'm at 75m dmg per pop now

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I think it might be possible to get it to 150m dmg

viral ocean
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Hi, just back to the game after season 2, how do I get t8 mods?

iron basin
radiant tangle
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I made a thing!

Sorry for potato quality, on SDeck.

Max rolled on corruption! Thorns is almost complete now. Wish it was a Armor/Throms corruption, but still decent.

native sable
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Corru made every roll the lowest possible

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Officialy have the worst Nihilis in the game

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😄

buoyant vale
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For time rot build are time rot duration idols BIS? Is it for the anomaly node quicksand?

manic cradle
iron basin
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i want to play a forge strike bleed build at some point. it's got a bunch of multis on it for bleed but it's probably just outright worse than anything paladin could do

manic cradle
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yeh, I started this as a forge guard

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got to 35m damage per pop

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but I couldn't easily cap my block with 1h weapon

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and, since forge guard has a ring of shields, bees were useless

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swapping to paladin, not only allowed me to use good passives from paladin tree... (e.g. it has lots of bleed pen)

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but also cap my block chance

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and use holy aura for more attack speed

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i immediatelly jumped from 35m to 55m per pop

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in theory, on FG, you could use also MA

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but I'm not sure how well it combines together

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I know MA bleed is super strong on it's own, but maybe it would require a slighlty different gearing then when we apply bleeds ourself

steel stirrup
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Is bleed hammerdin good for endgame ?

radiant tangle
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Yeah, bleed hammers still do pretty well.

orchid flint
iron basin
# manic cradle but I couldn't easily cap my block with 1h weapon

i was actually thinking about using harmony of the first with increased stun and bleed chance on it. you could probably get close to 3000% stun chance to make up all of your damage increases for forge strike bleeds. then devote most of your stat budget across your exalts into defenses

manic cradle
manic cradle
# iron basin i was actually thinking about using harmony of the first with increased stun and...

I am afraid it won’t be enough… I’ve tried forge strike with ignite with sunforged set and wildfire embers amulet. With t7 attack speed, 1000% stun and 1000% ignite chance, I was at most at 600-700 stacks of ignite on the enemy. That was enough only for about 1.5m dps. I think, min max could get maybe to 4-5… mapping at 700c was fine, but bossing was mediocre. I’m afraid bleed forge strike will be the same

alpine canopy
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FS can get a lot more bleed pen, which helps... it's pretty light on multipliers in general either way though

iron basin
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yeah it has like 200% pen on the tree for bleed. the main issue is the lack of multis. you've got 50% more phys on direct use and the generic multi at the bottom

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you're basically relying on the huge stun chance you can get for the inc damage

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i've still gotta try making a mainskill siege breaker build work. probably needs too much CDR to function

silk wasp
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Vampiric steel just tripling your armor is really funny

iron basin
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it's pretty safe to say that this doesn't scale with the skill that proc'd it right? it's basically just the old Lightning Bolt that primalist would cast?

silk wasp
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Divine Bolt definitely doesn't so I'm going to say no

silk wasp
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Does Lava Burst shred with Shield Breaker or no since it's technically a spell?

polar spire
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Bleed goes a lot harder than ignite for fs

alpine canopy
alpine canopy
radiant tangle
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Anyon test fork a lot and have details? I can't seem to get good results on the consistency of it in testing. It has been a pain in the ass to test so far. Cant really see it being worth it honestly at the rate it is going at right now.

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I am running self bounce as of right now. Seems way less efficient vs just going for about 900 more flat reflect. My hits go from 1.8m up about 3.2m on dummy then with the changes in the board and the idols.

fresh raptor
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Is forge knight good? I think the floating swords are cool? Is that a minion build?

silk wasp
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They are cool. It is a minion build

grim kestrel
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why is my damage so much lower with world splitter vs apathys maw

peak zodiac
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if you’re looking at tooltip that isn’t surprising because apathy has a lot more flat but splitter has the massive increased mana roll which allows you to sustain WF for much longer so the sustained dps ends up being higher in a lot of cases

manic cradle
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that's the showcase of my paladin bee build

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that pops for 120m on dummy

radiant tangle
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Cool build but I would absolutely NOT call that a bee build. That is a bleed shield throw with just bees to trigger the bounce.

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Not a bad idea overall, but highly highly skeptical saying it is "bees"...

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Have you thought about Flayer's Pride instead?

amber sedge
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If you use the Descend node on Smite do you teleport then smite or smite then teleport?
Basically I'm asking if you teleport then get healed from being near where smite is cast

alpine canopy
manic cradle
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I think I will go with a good 1LP majasa instead and will try to get Marked for Death on it

manic cradle
ruby igloo
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can i make warpath work without mana build ? like full stre and vitality ? or mana is only way ?

alpine sage
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I'm still using bleed hammerdin

manic cradle
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its def better than hammerdin

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and it's better than bossing as well 😛

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shield ricochets between enemies, so we don't have to wait for bees to be close to the enemies

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I'm now testing Apiarist's Smoker as off-hand on Uber

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Uber is def doable

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Apiarist's Smoker helps our bees stay alive in his dots 😉

manic cradle
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10000 bleed stacks

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popped for 220m

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still trying to optimze for uber 🙂

wooden mountain
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what's the benefit of popping bleeds?

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just frontloading some of your damage?

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does it do more total damage somehow?

waxen nymph
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Front loading dmg

austere frost
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You can skip phases with it which is great

manic cradle
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It also gives a rough estimate of dps. I can just divide it by the duration of the bleed

wispy sierra
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Hey folks, i got a question about warpath pally, is the lightning smite trigger better than the fire one?

worn garden
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people finally catching on to the bleed pop stuff 😄

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it makes it's return after being on the back burner for years

manic cradle
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I just killed regular abby with it

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before he made the slam

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8s kill

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uploading the video now 🙂

worn garden
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yeah I have a bluid guide for bleed pop manny from years ago that I have not tested since release of 1.0 and back then was doing 30million pops.

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you could also play it with shield rush there was the pingpong build

manic cradle
manic cradle
radiant tangle
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There is nothing they enable to your dps outside of the bouncing mechanics, they aren't 1/4 of your damage.

manic cradle
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well, without the bees, i dont have the bounce, so I do 1 explosion max as paladin

alpine sage
radiant tangle
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You should be looking at another weapon too that adds modifiers to more bleed chance like the Rainbow Sword.

alpine sage
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this is insane bleed stacking

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no way bleed hammerdin can do this

manic cradle
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my character currently

radiant tangle
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Bleed Java could if you built it right. Honestly I think the bleed Java would do way better with the right kit.

manic cradle
radiant tangle
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Ah you swapped to rainbow already then.

alpine sage
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but how is it even possible for this one to have insane bleed stack like this?

manic cradle
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rainbow has implicitly higher attack speed, and also when dual wielding I get +20% from sentinel passive points

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also shock and ignite from rainbow are converted to bleeds

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I also used some 2 fork on ricochet idols

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for further more multiplier

alpine sage
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@manic cradle I think gear could be the same as bleed hammerdin right?

manic cradle
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since stacking bleed duration was already giving diminishing results

manic cradle
alpine sage
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just change hammer throw to shield throw

manic cradle
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I think I could squeeze another 50% more dmg from this build with the right slams

alpine sage
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let's see if I can reduce uber's health to 50% with echoes like time rot

manic cradle
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especially, getting more offensive helmet, armor and better idols

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current helmet and armor prefixes are suboptimal. I should have used bleed with axe

radiant tangle
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You are also forgetting to mention all the ailment conversions on smite and symbols. Those each give a crap ton of bleed.

alpine sage
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ok right now problem is

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which axe to use

radiant tangle
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Wish this build was HC viable, lol. Glass Cannon Sentinel is a funny concept.

manic cradle
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I have 2 which are exactly the same, but different bases (thanks to corruption):

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the damage is comparable

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it really depends what you have on the rest of the gear

alpine sage
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@manic cradle why do you spec lava burst?

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to apply more bleed?

manic cradle
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Dragonbone gives bleed on Hit,
Wengeri is faster, and adds duration

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yes, its lava burst that applies the bleeds

wispy sierra
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Anyone playing warpath pally?

manic cradle
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and we take adventage

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of it's 150% more multiplier 😉

wispy sierra
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Need some advice about smite

alpine sage
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@manic cradle well I guess 92% block chance is acceptable

manic cradle
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dual wielding not at all, but it has twice more dmg :p

alpine sage
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nah my tankiness is good already

manic cradle
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I also tested Flyer's Pride

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it was somewhere between Sigeon's variant and dual wielding

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i was popping for 160m on dummy

red kernel
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Hey Guys, im new this season and im playing sentinel, i wanna go Erasing Strike Void Knight and i need the World Splitter Weapon for that build. Im Level 70 atm, is there a way to get it already or am i too weak yet. ik i get it from a Harbringer of Hatred or Abarroth

alpine sage
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@manic cradle now just a small problem left

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visually that looks more fire than physical to me

manic cradle
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hahah

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well 🙃

alpine sage
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since this is a physical build right?

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i can't enjoy a physical build with pure fire visual

manic cradle
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yes, it's a physical build 🙂

alpine sage
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how is taste of blood?

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or beast king?

manic cradle
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useless, cause we don't use melee attacks

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Eulogy of Blood might be better

alpine sage
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yeah just saw that

manic cradle
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I had 6x 2lp of them laying around, but missed all the slams 😄

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but even if I hit it... it's still comparable to 1t73t5 exalted

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corruption and getting more dmg to bleeding enemies would be best on either one

alpine sage
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should take only 1 min 30 sec uber with it and stun lock it to death

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I did not even dual wield

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this has the same killing time as my mana flay lich and time rot es (with max t7 gear too) fyi

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@peak zodiac bleed paladin with offline crazy gear can have almost uber killing time as time rot es (while even being tanky)

manic cradle
alpine sage
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should do in 2 min, given the insane dmg above

manic cradle
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also, this only shows how broken is rogue currently... with mediocre 1t7 gear it can kill uber in 1 frame....

alpine sage
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well it will be nerfed next season anyway

waxen nymph
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Right....
Because recall UB haven't been oneshotting Uber since s2

alpine sage
waxen nymph
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Correct

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Somehow one of them got nuked (it was necessary imo)
But the other is rogue that's fine

alpine sage
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hmm

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with this bleed paladin has become my second fastest uber kill

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after crit HS mage

velvet swallow
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Hello Sentinels! Returning player here 🙂

I don't want to play a VK since I did it so much while I was playing a long time ago.

So it's either Paladin or Forge Guard. Which is the more superior one in terms of tanking?

digital mirage
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it's a lot slower than spinny spinny voidknight tho

velvet swallow
manic cradle
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Judgment Pal seems to be the best choice to play on sentinel this patch... but if you prefer FG, I recommend Lava Burst with Primal Cadence. Requires a bit more gearing, but it's even tankier and can also kill Uber 😛

alpine sage
digital mirage
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currently playing judgement aura paladin, it's fun and easy tbh

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just struggling to get a good weapon, as the rift beast grind is a bit tedious

alpine sage
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and if you can slam 2x t7 shield throw critical strike chance you can switch to pyre of affliction axe

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because that axe is way more insane dmg

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and also go endurance stacking if you could farm lp3 items

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btw right now paladin is the fastest uber choice if you also farm lp3 items

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with whatever I just shown above (that one is offline t7 gears, but expected time should be around 1-2 min online)

manic cradle
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Yeh, I’m still hoping for 3Lp Julras rings to drop for me one day

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So I can swap to endurance 🙂

alpine sage
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endurance or endurance threshold?

manic cradle
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I already have a couple of exalted 3T7s rings with throwing attack speed, spell and endurance ready 🙂

alpine sage
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ah ok

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for endurance stacking FG?

manic cradle
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Yeh, so I could use Face of The Mountain

alpine sage
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hmm, how about movement ring?

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that one is not a bad choice

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given how FG cannot receive haste benefit

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and btw

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for the dmg ceiling like this

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I like grim dawn more

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at least you can almost get the ceiling with your items in grim dawn

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(only problem is not perfect affixes)

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I prefer the game letting us to easily have 4x lp 7 items (or anything that makes reaching the dmg ceiling easier) while making the monster harder

velvet swallow
topaz coral
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for how much could i sell this for ? 🤔

waxen nymph
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1775 gold 😏

turbid dome