🔱┃sentinel

[iron basin]

yeah that's what I meant by a ton of hits per cast lol

it's one of the many victims of skills with very few multipliers on the tree, on top of the poor attribute scaling

[gusty abyss]

Impair the weak would actually be better for single target at ~68k

[iron basin]

apparently I have no bones right now

i'm really just looking to see if spirit xylem applies to AE when it's converted to attunement. LETools doesn't give it the ATT tag

but it does get the tag in game

[austere frost]

I am ok with abyssal echoes being bad as a damage skill since as a buff skill its very strong it literally has 4 more damage modifiers for my time rot build😍

[iron basin]

it does get the bonus points from Xylem

[peak zodiac]

that spirit xylem buff could be juicy maybe?

[austere frost]

Yes for aura judgement should be big buff

I hope more primordial loose lpl like not just what they shared since their lpl has always been quite bad

[iron basin]

I didn't know it was getting buffs. Was it on the recent post?

[peak zodiac]

yes, lpl down to 50 (from 70) and mana + hp to 3-6 (from 2-4)

[iron basin]

hey that's pretty sick

[peak zodiac]

it’s just because a lot of them have very wide and important roll ranges, and you’re going to get a lot less of them than other uniques

same with evolution’s end i remember everybody saying before league start that 2lp would be super easy but now you realize that they drop so infrequently

[austere frost]

That's me cause its so bad to grind

Like i dont mind grinding for a 2 lp item ,or 3lp just let me grind it well the beast dont even drop uniques often at 2k corr like its droprate is bad ,and buying items is not great since only uses cof bonus corr does nothing

Cof bonus plus corruption help getting lp on items I spent 1 million bones one time and got 0 2 lp wings discord I was so mad about it , even after nemesis turtle

[iron basin]

i actually think it's fine if they're less common to get higher LP on. More reasons to use non-legendaries the better imo

[uneven gorge]

Good stuff

[iron basin]

The items themselves should be good enough to stand on their own without having to add extra stats, and the LP should just be a bonus. Them not being at that point is another discussion, but that's what the target should be

considering you're limited to 1 across the build

[austere frost]

Yeah but their lp is insanely high since you can get 2 lps got to julra and get screwed by slams

Rift beast doesn't drop them as much as it should

[iron basin]

I mean that's just the name of the game homie

[austere frost]

I got 2100 hours here i dont mind the grind I just want to be able to farm in a decent way ,evolution amulets is godawful to farm you have to go extra mile like going 2 zones over and over if you want odds at 3

Lp

Even 2 lp not that common

They made them this hard so they gotta fix it and they will good for us

[iron basin]

yeah, and I'm saying that's fine

it doesn't need to be common

[austere frost]

If ehg screws on that ,thats on them i as a player who plays enough i am looking forward to their buffs

[gusty abyss]

I just want some vitality love, cant stat swap it, no +vit skill primal...

[waxen nymph]

#eterra-monthly

[peak zodiac]

the t8 spell void is pretty juicy though ngl

[iron basin]

yee lookin at it now. ty

oh my the gaspar set change is massive

[gusty abyss]

Celestial doom, with fire aura proc limits being increased and the dark shroud of cinders increased void damage, I would not be surprised mage can do something there

[iron basin]

the spirit xylem change is a lot of extra EHP using Seed

[peak zodiac]

true, but is there a sentinel build using seed and xylem?

smite paladin and judgement aura probably don’t want to be using seed i would assume

[silk wasp]

💀

[iron basin]

currently? no, but also nobody uses Xylem

[peak zodiac]

pretty unsurprising

[iron basin]

this actually stood out to me more

[peak zodiac]

it’s pretty solid as a tanky option for tornado bear. is there a sentinel build that could really take advantage of a buffed version either seed?

[silk wasp]

90% use rate of a paladin skill is killing me more than the 4% popularity

[iron basin]

it's used on all of them

[peak zodiac]

i mean symbols is kinda just super good utility no matter what you do

[silk wasp]

Symbols of Hope is a Problem

[gusty abyss]

Symbols is just that good for damage

[peak zodiac]

want block? symbols. want crit? symbols. want flat? symbols.

[gusty abyss]

but unlike the original VR, it does not come with toxic gameplay

[iron basin]

yeah

I actually don't mind it too much for that reason, but at the same time being a 15 point passive tax is annoying

it's good on every build

[peak zodiac]

and honestly block capping on sent is kinda balanced around symbols so if you want to cap block you kinda need it

[silk wasp]

VK at least has 2 VK skills above symbols even with the 90% pick rate

[gusty abyss]

is it really a 15 tax though? those 15 points have good value

[iron basin]

it's 15 points you have to spend still

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, id spend it on the VK tree instead if symbols gets a big nerf hammer

[peak zodiac]

idk i’m fine with it, sentinel doesn’t have a ton of great utility skills and usually utility skills are wanted to fill out spec slots

[gusty abyss]

But I dont feel bad putting the points for it atm

[iron basin]

Flame Ward fills a similar role for mage, just without it being tied to a mastery

[austere frost]

I don't want them to change symbols in the same way new volatile reversal hot reworked its very niche although good for dots

[gusty abyss]

Smite warpath is literally just trigger smite and use 4 skills to buff it xD

[austere frost]

The 15 points in pally tree are fine last epoch needs more passives anyway

[peak zodiac]

imo flame ward is more toxic though because getting good EHP without flame ward (which isn’t 100% uptime anyways) it’s kinda an uphill battle to make a tanky mage

[iron basin]

forge guard wasn't even the least played mastery shockingly

crazy how far warlock has fallen from 1.0

[peak zodiac]

i mean there were a lot of changes to the other two acolyte masteries

[silk wasp]

Lich and Necro saw a lot of changes

[peak zodiac]

and both have at least one build that’s doing absolutely absurd damage

[silk wasp]

The 74% RM usage is 🤣 but expected

[gusty abyss]

They should move sorcerer to int/attunement hybrid scaling, lean more into mana as defense on it

Its just to similar atm

[peak zodiac]

honestly anything would be good, sorc has zero identity

[gusty abyss]

it has some with mana stacking, just its skills dont match it

[silk wasp]

Sorc is Meteor Man right

[peak zodiac]

at least forge guard has some sense of an identity even if it’s trying to have 15 at once sorc has…

[iron basin]

sorc's thematically going for the whole archmage vibe

[peak zodiac]

mana stacking is a thing on like half the masteries in the game though

[iron basin]

unlimited power type shit

it just doesn't pull it off very cohesively

[peak zodiac]

like i would agree but then they just gave mana stacking to everything lol

[gusty abyss]

in before void well gets a maximum mana limit

[peak zodiac]

and sorc gets the worst payouts for it too

[iron basin]

yeah mana is just an easy resource for them to tap into design wise, so they do it

[austere frost]

Problem with sorcerer is that runemaster does the same but better and stronger

And the 1 build that was incredibly strong of sorcerer got butchered by balance static orb frostclaw

[peak zodiac]

and sorc can’t even get %mana on exalt gear while rogue can xdddd

[austere frost]

I love lich flay has mana stacking thats awesome,would be cool if we get also hp stacking and skill does more damage from it, vitality stacking is nice and all but not same

[peak zodiac]

imo fg is weakest mastery in terms of power but from a design perspective sorc is in a much worse spot

[peak zodiac]

there is chaos bolts direct cast that scales off it, the dmg is kinda meh but it’s giga tank

[austere frost]

Yeah i see it but it contradicts itself since you are going to be full hp so damage from node it barely works

Idk volca made a build about it but was meh

So far only smite vit is like hell yeah boy feels goods

[peak zodiac]

i like that build i thought it was fun and i like building giga tank but it’s not amazing dps for sure

but i don’t mind playing ok dps i play direct cast smite the most and i’m still not super crazy dmg with 2t7 but i just zoom and facetank everything

[iron basin]

couldn't you just run low-life with exsang type deals to get the most out of that DoT per missing hp node?

[peak zodiac]

well you kinda have to go corrupted form no?

[iron basin]

Yeah I guess. you don't technically have to and could just take the 1 point for % more HP if you wanted to be full ward

[peak zodiac]

idk i’d have to math it out but 20% more hp seems like a big deal when it scales off missing hp

[iron basin]

yeah you're basically having to look at how much raw HP you're getting from being at half-max with the 20% vs basically empty with whatever the 1 point value is

I wanna figure out an abyssal echoes ignite build. it'll be trash but it'll look really cool

[silk wasp]

Volcanus being buffed. Time to bring back my fire multismite divine bolt paladin

[wooden monolith]

link plz !

[scarlet thistle]

With the new Volcanus I was thinking about Vengeance. Those blades count as melee hits, so you could trigger the effect quite a bit.

[maiden palm]

Warpath is fun with it also

[austere frost]

Problem. With that build is that corrupted for is bugged

And you have to grab items that make it impossible to leech cause when I start attacking my hp just gonna go up no matter what since I have infinite leech kinda

Since this works from missing health not how much health you have and corrupted already gives you low ward so you kinda are playing a build that is meh at the end with low dps

[silk wasp]

I don't have a planner for it. I built it once with gear in storage and it was awful

[austere frost]

I hope some of you try the new volcanus and let us know how it goes I think a bigger percentage over 30 was needed but a buff is a buff regardless

[silk wasp]

I got the proc rate pretty high the issue was like 80% of the projectiles whiffed and the damage that did land was mid

Sounds like they'll target now instead of just flying into the void

[wooden monolith]

what skills were you using ?

[waxen nymph]

Imo the problems with magma shards is the lack of More Dmg

Making them at beast a tertiary source of clear

They dont have a flat scaling like spark charge do

You get Flat per lvl but you stop at lvl 100

[scarlet thistle]

ah right, I forgot they don't inherit from the skills

[mental flare]

Any reliable way to farm Blossom of Immortal Stone?

[waxen nymph]

Kill beasts 😄

[austere frost]

Rampant coast imprint those troves and kill a bunch

[wooden monolith]

fire damage + attunment not good ?

[waxen nymph]

I mean

You get a lot of Inc Dmg, and thats it

[wooden monolith]

ok, because no flat

[waxen nymph]

I do think that a very big limiting factor

[peak zodiac]

and the best item subskills generally have higher proc throughput and/or higher damage effect

[waxen nymph]

Very little flat available (on top of the one given by the sword) and very little more dmg

And medium procc rate

[peak zodiac]

it’s got decent base attack rate for a 2h at least, but still slower than the fast 1 handers

[silk wasp]

MS, Smite, HH, Aura, Symbols

[mental flare]

does the blessing for amulet and uniques work for this?

[inland quarry]

man, i told yall that stupid forgeguard shield downside was stupid. only 1% of people ended up playing forgeguard still. i hope they buff that shit, get rid of the stupid downside

[silk wasp]

FG devs love downsides. The whole mastery is downside

[inland quarry]

lol i remember when i first brought this up before the release, everyone told me i was stupid and that i can't knock it till i tried it. bruh, how stupid do you gotta be to not see the obvious?

[scarlet thistle]

I'd like to see it modified a bit, but Warlock had even fewer players and that class is solid. FG needs some improvements to its identity.

[silk wasp]

It's identity can't be trade offs that are almost universally bad ideas. Nobody wants to trade away speed and damage in a game genre that universally incentivizes go fast do big damage. FMM kinda has to have a DPS hit to allow you to carry the most busted defense layer and a 2her but we all agree 20% Less Damage and 10% Less Aspd AND no Haste is too much.

Don't get me started on Multistrike's two bad FG branches or how Scrap Metal Rive is better on VK than FG or gestures at SW that

It's a graveyard of half baked cool ideas

[gusty abyss]

I so wanted FMM to make Fangs of the Berserker viable, only for its frenzy effect to not work 🙁

[silk wasp]

Frenzy Effect just being completely nonfunctioning for the entire season has been very funny

[waxen nymph]

Its fixed next path 😄 (at least they say so)

It works with Sword Catcher

But not the belt

[inland quarry]

haha yea i can't believe a lot of the bugs are still not fixed since beta

there were quite a few but i haven't kept track of them. i'll probably run into them again when i start playing next league.

and then complain about them all over agian

[silk wasp]

Yo dawg we made a brand new unique and didn't make sure the stats actually function before we couldn't push a patch anymore.

[gusty abyss]

When they are doing 6-7 months for a patch, bugfixes like frenzy effect for the belt need to happen during the season it was released in. Half a year later is not good enough

[silk wasp]

There exists a timeline where there were so few FGs playing that we didn't catch the FMM bug in time

[gusty abyss]

Its like scorn scepter, CoF needed it to drop at a decent rate during 1.1, when 1.2 came around, it was already powercrept out of viability

[waxen nymph]

@alpine canopy We kinda ran over primalist with our sentinel talk 😅

Have you tried VC Aura with the Aberroth command ?

[alpine canopy]

True, the memes were worth it though

[alpine canopy]

Yes, though not since its release patch

[waxen nymph]

Thoughts ?

[alpine canopy]

I thought it was pretty fun, it performed well enough for what I do - should be a good bit better nowadays too, thanks to vengeance tech and primordials

[waxen nymph]

VEngeance Tech ?

[alpine canopy]

Now we have that extra 45% more multi (abyssal retribution) since they reworked vengeance

[waxen nymph]

Ah

[alpine canopy]

and still the global 20% more, which I wasn't using before

The one thing I wasn't a super huge fan of was numlocking warpath

[waxen nymph]

I was thinking adding DOrb in the mix

But why cant we have Flat Spell per Vit in VC ffs

Can we get More Dmg please EHG

[alpine canopy]

ikr 😔

I used the hybrid flat/inc spell void affixes on helm/body and the +spell while channeling warpath

[waxen nymph]

This skill tree drives me crazy

[alpine canopy]

tbh if VC got flat spell per vit, I would try to make a totally different weapon work so we could have traversal VC

[waxen nymph]

Which one ?

[waxen nymph]

Like, why cant we scale the basic spell dot part

[alpine canopy]

Very true

[waxen nymph]

Why does every node has to kick us in the nuts

[alpine canopy]

I think I settled on just not having dorb in my spell DOT build because of the tree 😅

[waxen nymph]

I get you 1000%

!support

[heady bone]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[waxen nymph]

Just wanted to check the new suupport site

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, and to answer this, probably Lagon's sword, the one with the tidal wave that I can't remember the name of lol

[placid harness]

i just bought the game ! and my favourite archetype in all rpgs are paladins , so i was wondering how is the feel of playing one? like how fun is he? (i trust the game balance that he is strong enought and not care about meta)

[iron basin]

Alluvion? I think that's it

[turbid dome]

sentinel-Paladin is solid, tanky with big healing. theres a couple ways to build him

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that one

[inland quarry]

paladins have several good builds, so does VK. but whatever you do, do NOT go forgeguard unless you're just doing it for the memes. the devs hate FG.

i tried so hard to make it work, but paladin and vk can do it 10x better.

[iron basin]

know what paladin and VK don't do better than FG? Smelter's Wrath

checkmate, we stan FG in here

[waxen nymph]

Don't forget fire dot ring of Shield

[iron basin]

truuu

the actual damage nodes on ring of shields are kinda silly aren't they

why do they even exist

[waxen nymph]

Shhhhhhh

It will be meta next patch

Wanna read something funny

Let me dig it up

They buffed them in 1.2

And I remember Karv (one of the devs) saying "maybe there is a RoS build out there for player to find"

Sure, if you want to farm normal Monos at 50 corruption

[inland quarry]

i remembered trying ring of shields dot a while ago. it was a total waste of effort and time.

maybe it will be slightly better this time, and then the devs will mock me again for being right that it sucks.

'don't knock it till you try it bro.' same stupid argument when we already know the outcome.

4k dps is going to turn into.....6k dps with heavy investment. big whup.

[iron basin]

yeah I remember that lol. I was like "but where's the damage"

[mental flare]

just changed these, do i need to reset timeline for the new imprint to take effect?

[austere frost]

No, every change is insta maybe reset current map so go to another after change

[waxen nymph]

This is fine 😂😂

[mental flare]

is the forging potential of the imprint taken into account for the drops?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[mental flare]

F

[clever hazel]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BevLkVP3qn0JB2by7bpon_VZUQyjt1dJNlTfcGJ0xHI/

Forging potential tends to stay around the imprint's forging potential, with a chance to converge closer to ~40. This means imprints with low fp can be redeemed if you get lucky, but even imprints with high fp can keep going higher and higher. The higher the fp on your imprint, the better.

[austere frost]

Don't be sad if imprint is low fp ,its not hard to make imprints gain fp above the one you imprinted now when you get to 4t7 territory thats when it's really hard to do that

[silk wasp]

I see and understand the vision behind forge flames, amass, displacement, and osprixbane but the math ain’t mathing.

[waxen nymph]

Classic EHG

They had no budget for office 365 and excel

So math aren't mathing

[mental flare]

how do exactly is the progress to 4t7? i have some 3t7 but from pure randomess i believe

[alpine canopy]

This is the future, we have free alternatives to MS Office 🥲

[waxen nymph]

#suggestions

[austere frost]

Troves you hope for upgrade while doing them

[mental flare]

are troves better than towers for multiple exalted?

i was spamming towers...

[waxen nymph]

Towers to get the 1st one of each kind

And then troves

[mental flare]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-writing-down-writing-homer-writing-homer-simpson-writing-gif-14300761

F discord gifs

[austere frost]

Towers net you your firsts 3t7 then troves for the rest of a grind

If you have class items then you can get lucky and get other classes too in troves

As long they share one affix you have good chances to getting other classes thats how you get 4t7 of every class and relics ,although no such look with relic yet,rings and amulet,my ring is max fp 56 3t7 and amulet is 62 fp 3t7 from nemesis

[mental flare]

missing my 3t7 ring yet, i have a 2lp atlaria on the stash gattering dust

[austere frost]

Normal items don't get past 56 fp nemesis ones they do

Don't forget barnacle that stuff procs imprints and its free so thats great

[austere frost]

You are ssf ?

[mental flare]

no, online standard normal

cof

[silk wasp]

How slow can we get an attack to be? Event Horizon Multistrike with Doctrine of the Anvil and Hack and Slash plus FMM?

[iron basin]

You haven't lived until you've seen a fully stacked event horizon try to use forge strike

[inland quarry]

you can get 75% parry easily with clotho's needle and that new unique that doubles the mods of WW weapons. i might try forge strike with it lol.

[drowsy ingot]

What do u mean with “it’s free”?

[austere frost]

When you kill lootlizards very often they drop barnacle so yeah its free cause you will never buy any and have a ton of extra imprint troves

[drowsy ingot]

I drop like 5 from the beginning but ok, understood

[austere frost]

You just have to do troves I put like 150 up and still have like 270 more

They spawn so much specially if your weaver tree is properly set up

[drowsy ingot]

Yeah, have to spend points in lizard things to improve drops

[tacit zealot]

with wildfire ember being buffed do yall think it will spike some power back into div bolts pally build?

[waxen nymph]

Did you play divine Bolts with ignite?

Because I didn't

[mellow totem]

That could work, but for the mapping experience, I might go with Devouring Orb, and it ends up feeling a lot like a fire time rot build lmao

Interestingly, Vengeance can be used as a single target skill for both Wildfire ignite and Time Rot builds. Though I think ignite is a complete downgrade of TR in terms of damage.

[wooden monolith]

yep, ignite sucks

[alpine canopy]

Last I tested it, blade paladin also nerfs your ignite damage and does nothing for time rot, so that doesn't do ignite any favors

[peak zodiac]

blade paladin conversions will be fixed in 1.4, i’m willing it into existence

[waxen nymph]

@alpine canopy

[alpine canopy]

I'll believe it when I see it working in game 😅

[alpine canopy]

Hm, that's a bit different from the results I had when testing

it has been a hot minute though, so I don't remember precisely

I believe when I tested, having any fire resistance above 75% nuked ignite damage

[manic cradle]

And what do you think about ignite shield throw? Lava bursts should be great to apply ignites. I pushed crit version of lava burst to over 1500c and I'd hope an ignite version to do the same...

also, wanted to say, I love your builds. Some of the best I've seen. My fav is shield throw time rot 😉

[ionic inlet]

Could I please get a planner for that? 🙏 (Crit lava burst)

On another note would 100k/dummy be reasonable for forge weapons or would that be too low?

[alpine canopy]

If that's total dps, way too low. Is that 100k per hit or dps per weapon?

[ionic inlet]

Yeah sorry, per hit

[alpine canopy]

I guess, quickmaths without knowing your attack speed, that would be about 2.5M dummy dps? It's a bit on the low side, but not unworkable

[ionic inlet]

Yeah kind of, calculator says 2.7 attacks/sec

Tried to pump as much dmg as possible for them

Never played forged weapons before so Idk what you would aim for dmg wise

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, you might have more attack speed than I arbitrarily chose (I slapped in 100% IAS to get a dps number)

[ionic inlet]

Would it pick at random what weapon it would use if you were using gavel?

[alpine canopy]

It depends on your goals, but for single target dps, I generally aim for about 5M dps minimum, regardless of build. Makes for a relatively easy Abby. Clearing speed/feel is usually difficult to tell just by numbers, so idk on that front

[alpine canopy]

No, it works the same as normal attacks, both your weapons are added together

[ionic inlet]

Well yes but the attackspeed is also relative to your weapon, gavel is slow and katana is fast

[alpine canopy]

Base attack rate is averaged

Technically, it's just a more attack speed multi

[ionic inlet]

Alright

[austere frost]

As far as I can tell you really want a 2 hand weapon with forgeweapons specially sword or axe so then you can use void cleave and buff their damage by a lot ,also like the bis weapon is a t8 weapon with void cleave from bloodline glade echo but that is so hard to actually get a good one that maybe not even worth effort ,I am sure someday ehg gonna buff that echo since its pretty bad and its loot,

An odachi sword its pretty good since implicit give crit multi to them

[ionic inlet]

I like gavel since it would offer so much for it, voidcleave does a lot but gavel is looking really juicy

[silk wasp]

Whetstone Gavel?

The doubled stats don't apply to FWs

[alpine canopy]

Gavel doesn't really help FW much

yeah, because of that

[silk wasp]

Generally you want a weapon that applies valuable stats that the FWs can actually inherit. Crit and Crit Multi are hard to get on them so weapons that give those are premium. That's how Sierpin's and Plague Dragon can compete with void cleave builds.

[ionic inlet]

Really, that's a shame

[silk wasp]

A good rule of thumb for if unique effects apply to FWs or MA, if it would be really cool it probably doesn't.

[ionic inlet]

Well I saw it, thought it could work, saw it in multiple videos and thought it worked lol

[ionic inlet]

They also seemed to get some special mods though such as health drain and plague from plague bearer

[silk wasp]

They are capable of applying ailments

[ionic inlet]

Yeah but the health drain was unexpected

Wouldn't the primal axe be good though

110% phys, 110% minion dmg, 275% increased hit and the 9 crits

[silk wasp]

Primal Cadence? Yeah, probably.

[ionic inlet]

Yep

[silk wasp]

The crit double dips

[ionic inlet]

Wdym double dips?

[silk wasp]

Your FWs get up to 9% crit because they get your weapon stats and another 9% because they're your minions

[ionic inlet]

Oh yeah! I skipped the text after "9% crit chance"

Crazy, that axe with t7 crit on gloves and they're at 93% crit

Could I get some thoughts on this
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdz8XNLk

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (60) / Paladin (23)

General:

▸ Health: 3,231, Regen: 927.36/s
▸ Mana: 281.69, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 77%, Regen: 232/s
▸ Attributes: 54 Str / 12 Dex / 12 Int / 28 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 75% / 75% / 81% / 64% / 59% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 965
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,748)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 0% (0)

Used skills:

Forge Strike / Symbols of Hope / Void Cleave / Manifest Armor / Vengeance

[alpine canopy]

Plague bearer just has straight up minion health drain, FW/MA do not inherit any health drain effects

or wait, I think I am thinking of the wraith staff

[ionic inlet]

You're thinking of wraith staff

[silk wasp]

Good start. Attunement is low for maximizing Veng's FW proc rate. Helmet should be a Leonine with a T7 Sunforged affix. 8 pts in Rayeh's Strength is wild overkill. You can reliably keep 10 shred stacks with 50-75% while running Vengeance if your attack speed isn't awful. 4/5 Hammer and Anvil is enough to softcap armor shred with 12 FWs. MA will die at high corruption without some kind of sustain especially because he's going to be soaking your damage via Pale Ox. Either Minion HP Regen on belt with Lambent Metal or Leech on gloves will mitigate this.

[manic cradle]

crit lava burst for you 🙂 https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/lavaguard---spell-shield-throw-forge-guard

[crude matrix]

Lavaguard - Spell Shield Throw Forge Guard Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class

Sentinel / Forge Guard

Used skills

• Smite
• Shield Throw
• Manifest Armor
• Ring Of Shields
• Symbols of Hope

Used unique items

• Somnia
• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Primal Cadence
• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Grasp of the Blood Mage
• Immolator's Oblation
• The Inevitable
• Julra's Stardial
• Oceareon
• Omnis
• Shattered Worlds

Tags

Monolith Farmer / Hardcore / Ranged / Minions

Created by debris · Feb 3, 2026, 12:31 AM

[ionic inlet]

Not worth to throw in a throne instead of the 2 grand solar idols? Would lose 30 flat but you'd get a throne
Funny to see you went that route, nice use of the new primordial. I was getting 150 block chance, ladle etc and paladin

[manic cradle]

that 30 flat accounts for almost 30% of our dmg 🙂 We have around 100 flat most of the time (I'm averaging and dont count some buffs) . we would deal less dmg even at max stacks

100 - 30 = 70
70 * 1.4 = 98

yeh. the new primordial is really nice... although fully minmaxed version could probably do better with Pyre of Affliction

also, Somnia fits into this build really well for mapping

the way we deal dmg is great for stunning and propagating stun

Somnia made mapping wasy even at 3000c

another nice interaction on this build is a single smite 2x2 with the primordial axe... in makes clearing packs of mobs super smooth

[manic cradle]

I saw a laddle variant, it's also really nice. I just wanted to try sth else 😉 and really wanted to see it those idol enchants for 2h axe and shield are viable 😄

tho, I need to admit. Getting all of them to t7 is painful and one of the most grindy tasks I've done in this game

[ionic inlet]

Yeah I ain't making a enchant to t7, farming a good WW item is even worse though

[austere frost]

Its a lot of flat spell that is very cool to see it being used

[mellow totem]

calculated it in S2, and the single target dps was pretty mediocre (~ 20 million?). Not sure about now, maybe it's higher.

[manic cradle]

time to print more phantoms 🙂 my forged weapons is about to get stronger 💪

[silk wasp]

Goddamn 4lp

[clever hazel]

just need to get one with max rolls now, easy right?

[manic cradle]

i will use it to print 3lps, and maxroll of those i definately doable 🙂

[grim fog]

when u cant regen/leech and u have drain

all I have is HH

[silk wasp]

Just don't get hit

[grim fog]

AIGHT CHANGE OF PLANS

first 4LP

[alpine canopy]

Wow nice, an actually good item for first 4 LP

[grim fog]

last season was BEE gloves

[alpine canopy]

I think that may have been my first ever 4 LP lol

either that or those fighting chance gloves, idr

[drowsy ingot]

What’s the meaning of the 1 near the skull?

[waxen nymph]

1 kill to fulfill the prophecy

[drowsy ingot]

Fulfilled 0/2 times seems what you’re saying

I need to kill it 2 times to fulfill the prophecy

[waxen nymph]

No you need to kill itonce to do the prophecy

And you can do the prophecy twice

[drowsy ingot]

AH.

Thanks

[iron basin]

bruh holy hammers in PoE got me wanting to big bonk the screen. maybe I'll play estrike next season

[waxen nymph]

You mean Smelter Wrath 😏

[silk wasp]

It'll be good this time trust 🙏

[iron basin]

you know what, I'm sold

current estrike builds are like any other CD skill with the option and you just remove the CD right?

[peak zodiac]

cooldown is better for time rot for sure but for crit it depends on attack speed and cooldown recovery but generally no cd pulls ahead for crit

[turbid dome]

holy strike is how I wish forged weapons worked

wacky minion themed multistrike

[austere frost]

Forgeweapons inherit like the stats of your weapons right so if I have 40% fire pen on my weapon that applies double to forgeweapons since its 40%! Pen and 40% fire pen for minion the affix?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[austere frost]

So its 80%! More damage from that cool i will share tonight what I got i will try to get an odachi going but for now the axe is got i think will do a decent job

[iron basin]

oh my

[waxen nymph]

Ah

That's a thing!!

[alpine canopy]

Woah +4 all attributes

[austere frost]

So getting a proper odachi gonna take a while but this my imprint

[loud quest]

I need a 3t7 2h like that. Wanna play around with merophage

[manic cradle]

@loud quest join us on legacy, we have all 3t7, most with high fp. Also a couple of 4t7s 🙂 makes it much easier to print exalts for slams

Also, what would you build with merophage? 🙂

[loud quest]

I can't. I'd miss @shrewd badger and the rest of the poles too much! I have a dozen or so 3t7 and got my third 4t7 on seasonal last night (thanks @cyan agate )

[loud quest]

Dunno yet. Depends on what lands I. The slam. Pretty cool, tho. You can put up to 6 affixes on merophage. Regular four affixes, sealed affixes, and primordial affix.

The merophage implicits are literally insane, so if you managed to land a pair of 2t7s, you'd have something magical

[manic cradle]

Totally understand. Out of curiosity? What 4t7s do you have? Maybe, with the new season we could at least inherit some 4t7s from your group? 🥺 you know how hard it is to get them 🫣

[manic cradle]

I totally forgot you can have 6 affixes now. You are absolutely right

[loud quest]

I've yet to slam a T8 as a T8 tho. Gotten T7 out of a T8 on merophage

[manic cradle]

Wait… t8 can also transfer? Would that make merophage primordial if it does?

[waxen nymph]

I don't think it can

I would be surprised

[alpine canopy]

Mike said it is capped at 7

[waxen nymph]

Make sense

[alpine canopy]

We'll possibly be able to get more affixes soon, I assume we'll be able to shatter corrupted items, probably

Well, I guess then again, those special affixes won't give shards

[waxen nymph]

And you recorrupt it after, 💀

[alpine canopy]

Maybe we'll get to have a 3rd seal slot from a regular affix on corruption

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, this is a weird thing, will corrulting it "lock" the affixes maybe?

[loud quest]

Good to know thx!

[waxen nymph]

Oo
That would be the QoL it needs

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, unironically pretty nice

that said, it is super rare for me to feel like shattering weapons, generally, but would be nice just on the off-chance to have a super good mero protected just in case

[waxen nymph]

Oo

[silk wasp]

Don't gotta use a Large Idol to do it anymore

[alpine canopy]

Oh, now the interesting has just elevated

[silk wasp]

Replacing the old void convert affix

[austere frost]

So vk gonna be s kickass shield throw user looks like

Vk best melee,best caster,best dot user and soon best throw user as well maybe 🔥

[alpine canopy]

Still hurts to play anything other than fire ST imo, but maybe they'll change up some nodes

[peak zodiac]

yeah idk i'm not currently super sold on the void conversion being worthwhile rn honestly

vk has nice passives and anomaly but you're giving up a 75% multiplier from tree, 40% multi from throne, 42% multi from firestarter, and the affix itself seems pretty mid

[waxen nymph]

What I found surprising is why is there never big More Dmg in the base version

You have no reason to play phys ST for exemple

[peak zodiac]

i mean it has the block nodes which are good but yeah it doesn't have many other multipliers in the tree

[austere frost]

So here the thing the time rot version was it necessary to convert shield throw to void ?

If so and I think yes now you have to get that affix on chest when you could have gotten another damage affix on it which for me its a nerf to that

When are we getting full hammer throw void conversion

[peak zodiac]

no you actually want it to be fire convert for the void cleave buff

[silk wasp]

It has to be converted to Void for Chance to Time Rot with Void skills. VC doesn't care

[peak zodiac]

for the more multiplier from hellish chasm

[alpine canopy]

I mean, now you can likely have it as a T1 seal

[clever hazel]

you don't actually care about time rot for void skills applying to shield throw, like at all, as time rot shield throw

that just gives you more time rot damage via rot grip

you get all your time rot stacks applied via the +5 to your next throwing skill from void cleave

and yeah, hellish chasm wants shield throw to be a fire skill

[waxen nymph]

Nothing stops you from taking thoses as fire

[peak zodiac]

correct, i was more replying to you saying there's not multipliers for the base version

[iron basin]

You can echo non-void skills right?

[silk wasp]

Any element melee or throwing, but only void spells

[manic cradle]

Wow, that’s basically a more multiplier for Lava Burst 🔥🔥🔥

Looks like I will have to farm new idols and T7 enchants from scratch for my legacy char 🥺

[austere frost]

No because we aint using an exalted we are using an unique like titan hearth for that build

[austere frost]

Ok this makes sense ty so its whatever that affix its a buff then good shield throw time rot cooking nicely

[mental flare]

if u go this on warpath, i do lose all the flat phys damage from cadence right?

[manic cradle]

Cadence doesn’t have base phys damage. Its base damage is adaptive, so it will be void if the skill is void.

What you will lose is “increased physical damage”

[mental flare]

sorry yeah i meant that, mb

ty

[mental flare]

kinda bad rolls but i finally have it

[grim fog]

Question, if I wanna go Void warpath but I want the +50 spelldamage while spinning, my warpath would be fire or void?

nvm I just found out, whatever u pick last is the element

[waxen nymph]

No, one of the node should say which one takes priority

In alt text

[grim fog]

oh welp it worked for me

[waxen nymph]

I mean, it doesn't matter in what order you take the node

[steep saffron]

Hey does forge guard ring of shields also gain unique item abilities? Or is it just raw stats like block chance?

[alpine canopy]

Generally, just stats. It follows the same rules as FG's other minions - attributes and most of the effects more complicated than things you'd find on regular item affixes only function on players.

[mental flare]

Does this crazy a$$ thing affect every stat of the offhand sword? like double the AS, damage, crit, and every preffix, suffix and implicit?

[clever hazel]

it affects implicit and explicit modifiers, not sure how it works beyond that

[uneven gorge]

It increases every implicit and affix stat. So pretty much, yes. It won't increase the weapon's innate attack rate or range though.

Even increased dodge if you wanted

[mental flare]

sounds nuts with a well rolld 2XT7 sword

[uneven gorge]

It is really good. Unfortunately most skills on sentinel heavily favour 2 handed weapons. Even for multistrike, a spear is just as good, easier to build, and lets you use titan heart

[mental flare]

i mostly just use warpath, and 2h warpath it's so slow, even with T7 AS slammed over

[austere frost]

If you are a vk warpath player idk how its slow, duel wield won't be better at all ever

[mental flare]

i have a crit capped dual wield VK with a Nest of Nightmares alone that gives me 210% crit multi + good flat. (+ AS of dual wield), Till i roll a decent clotho needle is dual wield all the way (not for ubby tho)

[austere frost]

Yeah you can dual wield its just gonna be worse than 2 hand at the end of the day since worls splitter became the best way to play warpath this season maybe next changes though if channel cost gets nerfed

[mental flare]

hmm how does worlds splitter works ok with warpath? are ppl abussing warrior fury/snapshotting or im missing something? how they are doing the crits?

[austere frost]

No snapshotting warrior fury gives an insane amount of clear and damage to warpath so with channel cost t8 on helmet and a ton of mana you are stacking mana you get more procs through void well and you do a lot more damage than otherwise

Warpath clears best than anyone else because its pretty fast and most stuff insta dies oh and your aoe is so big that you barely get touched while everything dies

Worldsplitter is 52% increase mana which is huge for a build that is supposed to mana stack

[mental flare]

oh i see, thanks :D. not my kind of melee gameplay sadly, will stick with dual wield janky things

[haughty canopy]

Weird judgement conc pally no use hoj

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6X5R04

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,875, Regen: 102.08/s
▸ Mana: 175.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 20/s
▸ Attributes: 41 Str / 20 Dex / 20 Int / 25 Att / 126 Vit
▸ Resistances: 128% / 104% / 104% / 115% / 106% / 188% / 188%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,293
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (109)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,464)

Used skills:

Multistrike / Smite / Symbols of Hope / Healing Hands / Anomaly

[lunar herald]

i will just try to level a pure melee version and will compare dmg sustain etc because i think dmg is on both literally the same

[waxen nymph]

I haven't done the calc, but do you need all the crit chance in Anomaly?

I feel like a t7 Smite would be amazing

Instead of T6 Void

So you can grab more Flat crit

[lunar herald]

yeah maybe than 2 more points into dmg against blind and 2 points into reduced cost

[waxen nymph]

I would go flat crit

That way you can ease a bit on Anomaly crit chance and get leech

And rn you are only at 82.5 crit chance too

[lunar herald]

even with a rip blood shrine that gives 5% leech so i go up to 8.5% leech my life isnt realy sustaining it jumps around alot its not fixable with more leech

[lunar herald]

with anomaly 100%

[waxen nymph]

I might have missed smth then

[lunar herald]

i wish mulstistrike would be void convertable

[waxen nymph]

I wish we have a Melee Lightning skill

[lunar herald]

oh yeah smth like that would be cool aswell but paladin needs more melee support

not a single node in the paladin tree has melee aps except the super weak 2% per point node

and symbols of hope need alighting and phys conversion node aswell

but the more i look at it the better the pure melee version looks compared to smite you have no life cost leech is free with null potent 100% crit is SUPER ez to reach army of skins gives a usefull 50% dmg multi and with 1 attack you can summon 6 swords

[iron basin]

i kinda like that the lightning stuff on sentinel is limited to ranged just thematically, but I get the appeal. I mean I've been slamming with Holy Hammers in PoE this league

[lunar herald]

is hack and slash worth it?

[iron basin]

it feels awful to play with from what I remember

it's the increased attack time one right?

[lunar herald]

yeah 70% slower

currently it feels awfull i maybe try it again if i get more aps

maybe if i have 300% increased aps the 70% slower isnt realy noticable

its a 17% dps boost

[iron basin]

so the initial hit of multistrike isn't really the majority of the damage. making it hit twice probably isn't worth making it 70% slower

[lunar herald]

but it makes all additional strikes strike twice aswell

or did i read it wrong?

if not than its useless trash

[silk wasp]

Hack and Slash feels like ass to play

[iron basin]

aight so I wasn't misremembering

like a 70% slower attack is gonna always be noticable

[silk wasp]

It is technically a DPS increase if you don't mind ruining your mobility and probably getting killed from aoes you were supposed to dodge

[lunar herald]

they should make it have 100% less aps but it hits 3 times that would be cool

[silk wasp]

Use it with event horizon for maximum lols

[iron basin]

event horizon is so funny with naturally slow attacks

fully stacking it and using forge strike is comical

[silk wasp]

Pretend I posted the Austin Powers steamroller gif

[lunar herald]

event horizon is so bad its only a 25% dmg gainsome snapshoting 1h setup builds can oneshot bosses withit but thats the only usecase where its somewhat usefull

[iron basin]

it's good with shield bash

[lunar herald]

oh wait true

[iron basin]

but yeah there's not many places it's good

[lunar herald]

lol maybe have to try it with bash at some point that sounds actually realy strong

i actually NEVER played FG before thats maybe the only usecase where FG realy beats pally of Vk in terms of dmg

[iron basin]

right now you don't play forge guard because it's good. you play forge guard for a passion project or pet build

I'll probably try to cook up another smelter's wrath build

[wooden monolith]

Paladin version is very strong

[lunar herald]

oh FG and shield bash is sick for str stacking 4% increased 1% more and 0.2% phys pen per str

[lunar herald]

i made 2 versions 1 pally 1 VK and i think VK beats pally even tho you loose 150 unconverted phys dmg

VK gets easier acsess to increased dmg symbols of hope are just crazy of you convert them to void you can stack 100 + vitality for a 40% MORE dmg multi you get echo chance for another basicly more dmg multi void essence and devouring orb are strong asf apothys maw lets you use 2 red rings instead of 1 doom ring for more DR ...

[lunar herald]

oh and crit multi lol

[lunar herald]

whats a good 5th skill to take for shield bash FG?

[iron basin]

if you don't already have it, shield throw is a good utility skill

steals armor, applies armor shred

[lunar herald]

abyssal echo looks decent aswell but you only get 20% more dmg

oh wait collosal for even more phys pen yeah thats better

ok what shield bash can reach 400mil dps????

[iron basin]

idk if it's that high, but yeah it can actually deal damage with Event Horizon

[lunar herald]

because i never played FG before how does ring of shields work is there a limit to shieldsß

and from how i understand shield crafter you never have to use it it just gets auto used on block so you have perma uptime or?

[iron basin]

iirc you can have them overlap and get multiple sets of shields. I seem to remember running around with like staggered rotating shields from different procs

but also the shields taunt so you're not always gonna be blocking when you have the ring up

[lunar herald]

thats what i came up is that completly wrong?

[silk wasp]

You can't take amass because it pushes the shields outside of range of giving you the sturdy shields buff

And that top middle one only works with warpath

[lunar herald]

oh ok

[silk wasp]

There's no limit to the number of shields that can be activate at once but Shield Crafter only gives you a single shield per proc. It's enough to keep sturdy shields rolling but not as good as manually pressing it for big block effectiveness

[lunar herald]

does shield crafter proc defensive shields?

[silk wasp]

Yes

[lunar herald]

yeah ok i realy want to play that build now 400mil dps is crazy idk most other builds where i roughly calculate the dmg are at around 50mil ish

WAIT I FORGOT THE MORE DMG BASED ON BLOCK CHANCE THATS 1BIL DPS

did i do something wrong that number sounds too high

[wooden monolith]

I tried both version on ubber aberoth and paladin was stronger (UA kill is 2min for paladin version vs 3min for void version).probleme with void version is, most void skills gives +void damages which is bad for multistrike (phys).

[lunar herald]

? i just went void anyway

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzWYZY3

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,927, Regen: 47.4/s
▸ Mana: 150.51, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 85 Str / 20 Dex / 20 Int / 25 Att / 96 Vit
▸ Resistances: 107% / 79% / 79% / 97% / 92% / 140% / 140%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,068
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (94)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,790)

Used skills:

Multistrike / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Devouring Orb / Anomaly

[lunar herald]

there is no point trying to scale phys dmg void dmg is SOOOOO much stronger

[wooden monolith]

Devoring orb gives voud damages, but multistrike is phys

Void

[lunar herald]

yeah but doesnt matter just get flat void and you can ignore phys

[wooden monolith]

That s what i did, i tried void multistrike with flat void, but paladin was stull stronger

Still

[lunar herald]

do you have planers?

and on pally you loose ALOT of tank you need to drop 1 red ring and dont get the DR from slowwed and time rotting and free fraility thats so much DR for free

[dense mulch]

Does anyone know if Damage Reflected % affects SIgeon's Reprisal "The shield provides flat throwing damage to shield throw per 10 damage reflected to attackers. " Or does it only counts flat dmg

[lunar herald]

only flat

% reflect is the most useles stat in the game

[wooden mountain]

it's not even useful on the levelling uniques that have >100% of it

[iron basin]

% reflect is funny on ring of shields meme builds

you can make bosses oneshot themselves

[lunar herald]

uber abby?

[iron basin]

oh hell no

things like monolith bosses or shades lol

[lunar herald]

yeah than i dont care

[iron basin]

i wanna see what a RoS reflect build does on uber abby now

[lunar herald]

how much total % do you get with that setup? 10000%?

[iron basin]

i can't remember

it scales very poorly

it's something like 120% * shieldCount

and you just tank the boss oneshots with rebuke so that your shields take the full hit

so i haven't actually tried event horizon with Smelter's Wrath, does anyone know if attack speed affects the channel startup animation?

[lunar herald]

i dont think event horizon does anything realy bad for smelters wrath

[iron basin]

it most likely negatively impacts the AS->Crit node

the hardest part about SW has been making sure there's 10 ignites on the target when you hit it. it's a long channel and getting those ignites to stick around long enough is kind of a pain

I've used forged weapons in the past but they're not consistent

also the base damage being split between phys and fire is annoying when it comes to the flat added from your weapon

actually shield bash could possibly handle the ignites and armor shred

[wooden monolith]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXXLxJ2

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (20) / Paladin (62)

General:

▸ Health: 5,837, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 171.75, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 98 Str / 13 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 74% / 79% / 76% / 74% / 76% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,347
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (141)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,508)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Abyssal Echoes / Symbols of Hope / Multistrike / Holy Aura

[iron basin]

i gotta cook now

[wooden monolith]

I don t have void version. Sword catcher is stronger than appathy

[iron basin]

it does not appear to affect the initial charge time of SW

[silk wasp]

Yeah aspd does nothing to SW

Low or high doesn't matter. Only Area changes the charge speed

[iron basin]

no no I meant the initial animation to start the channel

I knew it didn't do anything to the channel itself

it means that event horizon might actually be pretty good for SW

you just have to find a way to get 10 ignites out with your shield bash

[waxen nymph]

Forge weapons 😏😏

[iron basin]

unironically i've done that before lel. they do the job just not consistently

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbW1XYw something like this as a starting point. idk if you're attacking fast enough to apply the ignites through bash+HH though

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (59) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,784, Regen: 41.2/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 61 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 0% / 0% / 55% / 52% / 5% / 5%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 597
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,757)
▸ Block Chance: 71%, Mitigation: 41% (1,386)

Used skills:

Smelter's Wrath / Shield Bash / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope

[iron basin]

mana would probably be a problem too

[lunar herald]

i dont see where that version is stronger

more flat WAY WAY more increased and more crit multi

[iron basin]

600% ADE

oh you're looking at the multistrike stuff

lol

[lunar herald]

and tankier that doesnt include the 10% DR from slowed time rottet

[wooden monolith]

I tried both version with same gear, exept amulet and sword catcher : one with flat phys, other with flat void, then i tested on UA. Paladin version killed UA in 2 min, void version was 3 or 4 min.

[lunar herald]

sword catcher is BAD for VK maw is by far the best weapon for VK

[wooden monolith]

I tested both

Sword catcher is stronger

It gives +6 damages skill

[lunar herald]

how? with maw you can use 1 more red ring so 10% more DR you get 120 flat void which is around 40% of my flat void and it has slightly faster base aps

[lunar herald]

useless these are the only dmg nodes important in multistrike and without sword castcher i can reach all

[wooden monolith]

I guess because of the +6 to multistrike

Yes m, this is +6 to damages nodes

Look at my planner

[lunar herald]

? there are no other dmg nodes other than the ones i took

[wooden monolith]

You have 2/5 on 2 nodes

I have 5/5

[lunar herald]

that node SUCKS its more inital hit dmg i have 6 hits so 2.5% more dmg per point which is terrible

[wooden monolith]

Well i like to test builds, that s what i do. I test dps on UA and see how long it takes to kill him. I trided both version anf sword catcher and zpathy ^^

The stronger version is paladin with sword catcher

[lunar herald]

just look at the MASSIVE increased dmg diffrence í have around 3500% increased dmg with my strength you have less than 2000% thats a HUGE diffrence than flat dmg is slightly lower and aps is around 5% higher so theres no way it can deal more dmg and we dont even talk about ECHOS which will give 36% more dmg

[lunar herald]

were you stacking vitality on VK because vitality is VERY strong it gives me 42% more dmg

[austere frost]

Multi strike vk is better than pally since people just forget about vk mastery aka echoes and you basically get in multistrike tree 2 extra sword hitting the enemy with every echo

Sword catcher vk is better than apathy maw btw

[wooden monolith]

Did you test both version ?

[austere frost]

Apathy maw is shit

Only good for mapping with darkstride

Lazare vk will do any melee build better than pally and forgeguard 100 times better except shield bash

If you used apathy with vk and you used sword catcher on pally you can't compare both same gear you see which one is better

You are forgetting echoes extra sword

[lunar herald]

????? i would loose 40% of my flat void dmg and 10% DR and 5 vitality and 5 strength ... how is swordcatcher better than that?

[austere frost]

And btw you getting 5 point in initial strike is a mistake since doesn't do anything for the rest of attacks

[austere frost]

Do you know how sword catcher works cause I think not

Sword catcher gives way more flat than apathy maw

[lunar herald]

i have 1 inital hit and 5 repeats with 36% echo chance the +2 swords from echo is only 12% more dmg

[austere frost]

And gives 6 extra skills which is bonkers

[wooden monolith]

I have all damages nodes at max, couldn get anything else ^&

[lunar herald]

i dont need that so useless statah yeah clearly 200 is bigger than 300???????

[lunar herald]

i dont need that yeah i could get 12% more dmg if i path to echo nodes

[austere frost]

Omg man clearly you are new

I would ask you to read item description like swordcatcher

[lunar herald]

? no

[austere frost]

Do you see that line there

Increased by effects that increase the effect of frenzy on you

[lunar herald]

yeah i read it it has 230 flat melee dmg maw has 101 flat melee and 120 flat void and flat void is 3 times better than just flat dmg

[austere frost]

Cool I got 2500h let me help you on this

[austere frost]

No it doesn't

Frenzy basically its going to almost triple that 60

So let's say 350 flat apathy ain't 350

We aint even talking about slams yet

And please dont tell me you using apathy maw on rive cause you are shooting your self in the foot

[lunar herald]

ok even with frenzy effect its 350 compared to 101 with 120 void but because void dmg is far stronger maw is the better option

[wooden monolith]

You guys need to talk about things you ve tested. Snacking needs to test swordcatcher and jellal needs to test multistrike paladin ^^

[austere frost]

That's not how that works

[lunar herald]

?

[wooden monolith]

Paladin is stronger than vk

[austere frost]

Flat damage is general

[wooden mountain]

It's untyped melee damage so it should become void if the skill is converted to void

[austere frost]

I don't man

[austere frost]

Try old healing hands vk was a stronger user than pally melee version btw

[lunar herald]

but you cant convert multistrike to void thats the proplem

[austere frost]

You can just do physical vk

Pally ok has a lot synergy for fire but for physical is whatever

[wooden monolith]

Yep that s why multistrike vk sucks

[austere frost]

To each their own apathy is a worse than catcher any day of the week nowdays specially cause you can grab a lot more nodes that give you more damage in whatever skill you do

[lunar herald]

but that the flat scales with frenzy effect makes me maybe swapp to rive

[austere frost]

You can do rive vk with apathy your build would be a lot worse than if you use sword catcher

Its facts

[turbid dome]

apathy's maw has fallen a lot but it does still work well as a solid stepping stone (mostly because you kill shade so many times raising corruption your bound to get a 2lp)

[lunar herald]

yeah for rive maw is FAR worse but because multistrike doesnt convertd flat into void i think maw is better

[austere frost]

For multistike is still better my guy

[turbid dome]

snaking did you link a build planner for this

[austere frost]

How is your thinking flawed man

[lunar herald]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnapMGm0

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,873, Regen: 45.76/s
▸ Mana: 150.51, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 85 Str / 20 Dex / 20 Int / 25 Att / 92 Vit
▸ Resistances: 125% / 97% / 97% / 115% / 110% / 154% / 154%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,085
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (109)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,539)

Used skills:

Multistrike / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Devouring Orb / Anomaly

[turbid dome]

holy aspirational gear

[austere frost]

Yeah its a stepping stone or farming tool but endgame its not strong enough vs the better choices like world splitter kinda bs than mace,sword and spear cant compete with axes at all

[turbid dome]

it makes me sad that vk loves axes so much... but all the axe mtx isn't void-y

[austere frost]

Ok I think this is maybe made on last epoch tool instead of character what you think

[turbid dome]

it is made on letools

2 lp red rings is something I'd never throw onto a planner for just how much farming that is

[austere frost]

Yeah 3 lp frenzy crown idk

But not his character is what I feel like

[lunar herald]

yeah no thats only theory crafted

[austere frost]

Ahh ok

[turbid dome]

I would encourage the theory craft with more realistic gear unless thats a figure out what the top end verison of it would be

[austere frost]

When its in practice gives us a call

[gusty abyss]

T7 + T5 enchanting on idols o_O

[turbid dome]

one day I'll make my stupid vk idea possible

[austere frost]

The day we get hp scaling skill doing more damage like with mana i ll join you on that

[lunar herald]

i always in every game start by making the apsiriational planer i need something to aspire to

[turbid dome]

hey this is getting 172 flat void dmg from vitality so its basically that

[turbid dome]

understandable

[austere frost]

Nah nah where the 1000% more damage thats what I want 🤣

[turbid dome]

gimmie relic of the pact

[austere frost]

Like blood mage in poe 2 I am sure you have something like that in poe 1

[lunar herald]

does rives double dmg from weapon apply to the frenzy scaling part of sword catcher?

[austere frost]

Stack health and become a powerhouse

[turbid dome]

this is the stupid giga health build, you can def make it tankier but then your not vk vit stacking for rive so its worse

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYE9lp32

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (90)

General:

▸ Health: 15,855, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 156.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 28 Dex / 28 Int / 28 Att / 151 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 66% / 111% / 142% / 116% / 213% / 187%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 4,988
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (152)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,936)

Used skills:

Rive / Devouring Orb

[turbid dome]

no

that only applys to flat damage, %increased damage and ailment chance

(this should probs be on sword catcher @my stupid build not sanking's planner)

[austere frost]

Apply to the rest you still get frenzy effect flat damage but that one aint gonna double

Doesn't matter since with 6 skill you end up doing a lot more damage your second strike does like almost same dps as 3third strike

[wooden monolith]

I don t know what is old healing hand vk, what i know is i ve played multistrike paladin and you didn't ^^ again i ve tested both version and vk is weaker. Devouring orb and anomaly give more void damage, multistrike is physical, it sucks

[austere frost]

Your testing is wrong you said you used apathy maw for multistike no

[wooden monolith]

No, i didn t

[austere frost]

Paladin has 15% more damage and a 5 % more damage

Vk has 24 pen which is 24% more physical damage

[wooden monolith]

Apathy sucks, i use swordcatcher

[austere frost]

You can play vk as basically make it a physical dealer doesn't need to convert to void or play around void

Like healing hands vk

And it will still surpass pally cause pally doesn't even have good nodes for physical its a fire mastery

All your damage is physical i get pally nodes at beginning so the upside you get is a 5 % more damage and a 15% but I get 24 pen which is 24% more damage and I get more attack speed and echoes so ,

[wooden monolith]

Paladins nodes scale with phys : covenant of dominion and conviction scale with phys, reverence gives increased damage, covenant of light increase dps too. Paladin has holy aura.
Vk has devouring orb and anomaly, they give more void damage but it s useless caus multistrike is phys

[sleek bolt]

Is pally Rive healing hands still Viable?

[austere frost]

You dont see it yeah why would you use devouring orb the whole point is to do phys damage

Conviction we take is free for everyone,reference is 24 increased damage thats quite garbo let's be real

[wooden monolith]

No, you dont take conviction caus you need resist and endurance, you can t get everithing

[austere frost]

Actually vk gets another 10% more damage from his crit passive so difference is quite mid you get some extra physical increase i get far more attack speed and echoes

[gusty abyss]

ofcourse you take conviction as VK if you go phys o-O

[austere frost]

That's the whole point

[austere frost]

You do take that lmao

The old time where vk has mid passives is gone that tree is goated I dont suffer from res

[wooden monolith]

I need to do more tests, maybe my build was bad

Or maybe i don t care caus i switched to rive vk lol

i dont play multistrike anyymore

[iron basin]

Homie this is beyond aspirational

[mental flare]

LMAO

that's not happening

ever

[mental flare]

soo i need to farm some good exalted sword, have this imprinted all over the weaver tree. Should i spam troves or barnacles or towers?

[wooden monolith]

You need it to slam into a unique ? In this case a 2t7 would be better.getting 2t7 is easy, i remember i ve bought 60 or 70 towers, and got 2t7 for almost every slot (not amulet)

Took me a few hours

[mental flare]

no, to combo with the mace of 100% efficiency, so yeah ST7 + some sealed good sealed affix

2 T7*

[wooden monolith]

Ha ok

Can be a long farm, imprint is triggered every 50 chests for 2t7 (on average), and most of the time prefixes and suffixes are changed ^^

[mental flare]

and sub type of sword is important right? like i want the +54 melee damage base so i need to imprint one of those right?

[wooden monolith]

Yes

But imprint can change the sub type too

[wooden monolith]

Your sword is good, i guess you could use this one ?

Caus it s going to be difficult to get a better one from imprint

[austere frost]

Conquered tower also idk what corruption you are in but higher corruption has a slight effect on the starting exalted items so for example as soon you open nemesis it maybe have 2t7 item or 2t7 1 t6 and so on so with some luck you end up with 3t7

[mental flare]

450+ rn

[austere frost]

Also if you can never imprint t6 items only t7 since t6 items are extremely low odds to upgrade

[mental flare]

oh

[austere frost]

Now if you only got thay for now its ok

[austere frost]

Frozen made a video today extremely low odds its like almost never upgrade

So I would do conquered tower grind get 2 t7 item then imprint that

I got a belt with 3t7 1 t6 affix and I gotta say its a lot worse than my 3t7 belts for imprint procs

Now if it had 60 fp it would actually not be bad at all

[clever hazel]

LEtools shows the health regen from Covenant of Protection scaling off of both Symbol of Hope Effect and the number of symbols.. is that actually how this works? lmao

I guess it makes sense for something that far in the Paladin passive tree to scale like that, slightly unexpected though

[waxen nymph]

I'll try to check tonight

[wooden monolith]

I ve played 2k+ hours and got only 1 upgrade ( or maybe 2 ?) From 2t7 to 3t7, so it s extremly rare, or i am very unlucky

At 1k4 corr

[austere frost]

Its very rare, my biggest was a 3t7 helmet i was given Sentinel and like 2 troves after it was upgraded to 4t7,you can from said imprint after basically collect every class gear

[keen radish]

I mean yeah? It's adding 5 hp Regen to the symbol buff. Each symbol gives a stack of the buff and symbol effect affects the buff. It would be weird if it didn't scale with both

[alpine sage]

Okay

With the items revealed so far

FW forge guard still suck? Non uber viable?

[wooden monolith]

Forge guard needs a rework to not suck

[mint rock]

Ive never done a warpath, ive never done a sentinal tbh

[mental inlet]

Hello! Question for anyone that plays void knight. Do the more damage mods on void cleave apply to ravaging aura as well? Do they also apply if they come from other skills too?

[hybrid crown]

Yes, they apply in both cases

The ones that don't are conditional modifiers like Entropic Blows (dmg per time rot) in Void Cleave, Void Supremacy (Void Cleave dmg to slowed) in Abyssal Echoes, etc.

[mental inlet]

Thank you! That helps a lot with me trying to figure this build out

[hybrid crown]

oh that first one is melee dmg anyway, but yeah. Tbh, might be worth checking out the melee dmg nodes to see if any of them are lies lmao

I also don't know if Vaion's works, I haven't tested that build since before those were added I believe

[alpine canopy]

Any damage multi that specifies hit/melee damage or depends on the enemy state will not pass to rav aura. VC's attribute scaling also passes down to rav aura.

[alpine canopy]

It should, but you can't use it with Abby's command so I've never bothered

[hybrid crown]

oh yeah people run that sceptre now. I forget we don't have to find a 2H sword/axe with spell damage

[clever hazel]

I guess the wording just threw me off. It should be consistent with the Symbols of Hope skill tree if it's actually meant to work that way, IMO. Ex: "Health Regen Per Active Symbol" instead of "Health Regen From Symbols Of Hope", which sounds like it's a flat +5 simply from having the skill active at all to me.

[gusty abyss]

Yep, that node threw me off as well

[alpine canopy]

There is alluvion and spine with generic flat spell, but sceptre lets us run a shield or damage offhand and the duration boost is very hard to give up

[hybrid crown]

yeah it makes sense

[formal thicket]

Sword Catcher stocks up with rampancy?

[uneven gorge]

juicy

[gusty abyss]

Are we ready to farm smite on hit omen idols?

[bronze raptor]

Opposite of juicy imo

[quiet hearth]

Excuse me while I scale Vengeance to the moon

[iron basin]

did they ever fix the frenzy belt not actually scaling with frenzy effect?

that could be fun

[gusty abyss]

Taking double damage but doing double damage

[iron basin]

ideally you'd be doing a lot more than double if you're investing like that lol

[peak zodiac]

there's definitely zhp frenzy effect meme potential

[gusty abyss]

It could work on forge guard, have the damage bonus offset the penalty of Forgemasters might while the shield offsets the increased damage taken

But that would be str stacking, not sure how much vit you could fit in there

[formal thicket]

wouldnt you just play the perma frenzy helmet to not take increased damage at all

[iron basin]

the frenzy belt increases your damage taken too

[formal thicket]

oh

[iron basin]

you could just forgo any other prefixes and put str/vit on everything

[gusty abyss]

there was a 2h corruption shown that gives like 6s+ of frenzy on evade, you will have perma frenzy NP

[iron basin]

nihilis also gives frenzy on evade/ms skill right?

[formal thicket]

yeah

[gusty abyss]

that costs life though

[austere frost]

Well vk is gonna be again f busted let's go best mastery in the game

[gusty abyss]

I think you would want the new amulet, that gives a bunch of stats

[formal thicket]

what did the new amu do with rampancy?

[iron basin]

who cares you're gonna be leeching through everything. the life cost is basically irrelevant

[dense mulch]

hello friends

[formal thicket]

thanks

[hybrid crown]

haste effect

[quiet hearth]

Vengeance has built in less damage taken, so you'd go from practically unkillable to still tough as nails, DoT is the way to go imo

time for another variation of the all dot build

[uneven gorge]

With 100 vitality (converted to rampancy) + max rolled shattered worlds and sword catcher, you'd get 460% increased effect of frenzy. Add on 100 strength and fangs of the berserker, that's 560% increased effect of frenzy. Or up to 99% more damage dealt and taken. And 132% attack speed just from frenzy.

Max rolls though

[austere frost]

I would use the crown instead of belt

[quiet hearth]

Maybe we can toss in Cleaver Solution and get 100 int too just for the sillys

[uneven gorge]

Coward

jk

[austere frost]

Since I want to use doom combo

[quiet hearth]

I gotta relook at that doom nonsense since they are reworking the items

[austere frost]

But yeah we will see what they did to swordcatcher in 3 days cause rn vk looks insane specially rive vk

[quiet hearth]

One day Rive will get a fire conversion and I will play nothing else

[austere frost]

Doom plus belt idk 46 % more Melee damage or something like that forget exact value

[formal thicket]

crown definitely more comfy, evading and pots for frenzy sounds annoying

[austere frost]

The reality is that you have belt in inventory you swap use potion go back to doom belt

[formal thicket]

gaming

[gusty abyss]

Than you cant use a primal at all though

[uneven gorge]

There's a number of ways to get frenzy other than those. All these give frenzy

[gusty abyss]

or you gotta double swap every time xD

[austere frost]

I ll swap for uber fast rofl

Then equip crown its 8 seconds frenzy on belt right use potion go back 👍

[gusty abyss]

6-10

[formal thicket]

have you guys tried if you can snapshot frenzy effect, like equip all frenzy effect items, equip crown for perma frenzy, unequip frenzy effect items

does the frenzy effect stay or go down

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if you could get enough mana sustain, to just max frenzy spam Judgment

Maybe this will be the patch that gives us a fire conversion for Ravaging Aura

[wooden monolith]

When vitality converts to rampancy, does it mean we loose the 6hp+ resists ?

[uneven gorge]

yup

[austere frost]

More like 8 hp for vk

[gusty abyss]

the +2 bonus will still apply

[clever hazel]

rampancy seems ok for ward builds and glass cannons, otherwise questionable

[wooden monolith]

Not cool, i would loose almost all my hp on rive or smite vk

I get my hp from from vitality

[clever hazel]

I can see how most of these corrupted stats might have some use, you basically have to play a build where the downsides are irrelevant

[quiet hearth]

I think VK could still make a straight HP build work since you have eternal form, definitely not optimal

[austere frost]

Well if I still get 2 hp from vitality then its not so bad the downside

[wooden monolith]

My rive vk has 98 vitality/4800 hp, so i would loose, 600 hp

[austere frost]

Will need 3 lp items which I have with some good slams

[wooden monolith]

Lol yeah, maybe it is time to farm triple exalted

[austere frost]

Its always time

[quiet hearth]

Maybe FG will get a real passive this patch

[gusty abyss]

maybe forgemasters might block instead of movement speed from haste will get removed or at least gets effected by haste effect

[wooden monolith]

No i guess i would loose a lot more than 600 with the %health

[austere frost]

Is that passive gonna cancel haste of shield not sure i hope it doesn't

[waxen nymph]

It's supposed to be fixed in s4

[peak zodiac]

at least for selfcast smite, you're losing 900 flat hp (150 vit is doable with 2t7s), and you'd want to run frenzy helm for sure to maximize frenzy uptime (both for the downside and upside, which means no seed) and so you lose a ton of ehp from the flat and the 28% dr. you also lose t8 spell void affix, which gives a ton of both flat and increased. i'm gonna work on a spreadsheet, but at least my initial impressions are that it doesn't seem worth at all, even if you will get an absurd amount of cast and movespeed.

certian builds have other options for perma frenzy, which may make it easier also, but butcher's is certianly the easiest and most reliable, which means a lot of the time you're locked into that which is a bummer

[austere frost]

For sure the only big winner on all of this is intelligence kinda bs that attunment gets mana regen one of the worst stats in last epoch since flat mana regen cant be changed at all

[peak zodiac]

int seems the most mitigatable for sure, as you can go crit avoid. they do generally seem kinda meme so far

[austere frost]

But we gotta try it and see if its really bad for sure if I cant get to 4.8k health like before then yeah downside its pretty rough

I was excited about judgement aura from xylem buffs but man mana regen like wtf at least make it give increased mana or something like idk 100 attunment its like 10% increased mana

[peak zodiac]

rive does seem like the best candidate, since you're still gonna have enough vit for good value but you probably won't tank your hp tooo much, and you already want butcher's crown anyways

[austere frost]

Yes for me thats my build min max next league

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sure "perma frenzy" actually means it applies frenzy to you every second, so wouldn't be able to snapshot

[wooden monolith]

Maybe the solution is to get rampancy and brutality, you loose hp with rampancy, but you get more hp with strenght. We loose some armor though ^^

And rive likes stacking str and vit

[winged pulsar]

Das cwazee

[silk wasp]

Can you even use Brutality with Rive? Don't you need to spend mana to get the boost? Or am I reading it wrong

[winged pulsar]

Good or bad I’m doing RF or Warpath Paladin this new season.

[mental flare]

hmmm

i was under the impression of knowing maths

[iron basin]

is my dysnumeria messing with me again or is it not 180

[mental flare]

it is not, i never bothered to check till now lmao

facetanking 450+ with 2 unused atlaria effects

not hard tho but funyy

funny*

[wooden monolith]

I mean with the exulis amulet

Str gives hp

[wooden monolith]

I am wrong, the hp conversion is from exulis amulet, not from brutality, sorry

[waxen nymph]

Tomorrow 🙏🙏🙏

[gusty abyss]

Is warpath in danger? ^^

[silk wasp]

From skill adjustments? I don't think so. I recall Mike mentioning during a stream that they didn't really touch Warpath's skill tree.

Whether it'll get hit anywhere else though we won't know without the full patch notes probably

[gusty abyss]

last time that was said, cyclone of war's fire pen was nerfed

[silk wasp]

If they're going to touch WP at all the main offender is Warrior's Fury and even then the actual problem continues to be void well

[iron basin]

so am I wrong in thinking that Brutality's bonus caps crazy fast?

[silk wasp]

Depends on the mana cost of the skill, but yeah

[iron basin]

you only need 14 str to cap the bonus for SW lol

prob not worth losing all the armor you get from str

[silk wasp]

Even less with the nova

[clever hazel]

I mean.. maybe that's a good thing? if you were playing a high mana cost skill and NOT stacking strength

more damage with little/no downside

bit niche though

[iron basin]

yeah from a balance perspective it makes sense

[wooden monolith]

Apathy gives mana regen per attunment. the frenzy crown gives mana back scaling with mana regen. So we can do judgment/frenzy crown build. But judgment sucks so won t try it ^^

[iron basin]

wasn't judgement the build people were using to face tank uberoth because it could just heal through everything

or did they nerf it

[wooden monolith]

They nerfed it, but it s still tanky

[silk wasp]

They nerfed it a while ago but yeah the sustain is still unreal

[wooden monolith]

But dps is very bad

[silk wasp]

Aura likes to stack Att and mana regen. Maybe something there? But you'd lose the gloves bonus right?

[wooden monolith]

Not sure for mana regen, paladin aura does not spam judgment

I think attack speed and frenzy are not very usefull

[silk wasp]

You stack Regen to hit full bar between casts without having to waste a slot on a time and faith rebuilder

[wooden monolith]

Ha ok

[silk wasp]

It's a weird build

[wooden monolith]

I wanted to try this buikd but i gave up, i dont like judgment ^^

I think paladin aura is going to be strong with the new primordial staff though

[young gale]

hello, im a beginner and i saw a guide of knight void who is using this but i do not understand what "flay" is. and i do not see any buff when i use the item, so i assume i doesnt work?

[waxen nymph]

Flay is a lich skill

[wooden monolith]

Flay is an acolyte skill

[iron basin]

the flay stuff won't function. you use them because they have attack speed on the boots slot

[waxen nymph]

What you are using is "More Dmg against high health" and the attack speed

Attack speed should show in your character sheet

The more dmg will not

[young gale]

thx very much !!

u also confirm me thats not bullshit on a knight void ?

[wooden monolith]

It s very good

You re warpath ?

[young gale]

yes!

[wooden monolith]

Yep, so it s very good. I would go t7 on mana though

[young gale]

im not at this point for now but ty very much for advices

[wooden monolith]

Ha ok

[mint rock]

is there a guide for warpath? because after I hit mono's I usually dont know how to improve much tbh

[wooden monolith]

The maxroll guide is good

[mint rock]

kk

maxroll is usually 50/50 on these games

[wooden monolith]

maxroll is not perfect (lots of good builds are missing, itemisation can be bad), but it s good for warpath

[iron basin]

yeah again you're only looking at the raw stats that come with the unique, in this case the melee attack speed and the flat damage. you can't get flat damage on your gloves otherwise

it's actually pretty common in LE to only use a unique for a couple of the lines on it even though it's designed for another class/skill entirely

like necromancers using Pale Ox for the damage redirect/increased health

[young gale]

thats pretty interesting ty

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I have 2 sets of gloves the immortal vise is for normal echos. I use the falcons for abborath and bosses. I can confirm 100% there is a hugeeeee diffeence in damage.

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flay doesnt matter at all.

its the movement speed, attack speed, and the more damage.

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maxroll guide isnt that good. most the builds have mana stutter, and just poorly put together warpaths. I looked at a lot.

[wooden monolith]

Sorry i don t understand your english

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for warpath, most the builds stutter or stop warpath and you need to wait for void well to recover and it takes a long time sometimes. I dont know why they build them that way. a lot of builds i found do not scale damage and life effectively making them weak.

I am saying this because I am in a position where I min/maxed my warpath and understand the connections insanely well now and these guides just lack a lot.

[iron basin]

does spell damage ES have anything going for it at all or is it just bad

it looks like it's probably bad

[wooden monolith]

I don t like maxxroll, but what s wrong with warpath ? The endgame build seems pretty ok ?

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end game warpath is insane. I can do 2500C without dieing. 5000 i can do but i just get 1 shot from explosions sometimes. 90 second uber kill no gear swapping. insanely fast and clears echos fast( I am highly min/maxed)

[wooden monolith]

Link your build ?
Ok but what s wrong with the maxroll version ?

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1. flat melee void damage is terrible on worldsplitter
   2)after warriors fury you stutter to restart warpath.
2. the list goes on

[wooden monolith]

Maxroll do not use flat void melee ? It has crit ^^

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some do, they are many builds from people. just look at the the uber viable warpath guide and use that. The rest are bad.

[wooden monolith]

Can you link your build ? I like to watch min maxed builds

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https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vuthia/character/Unholyslayer

I am in the works on doing another swap chest armor but need a good 3t7 exalt for it, and need to redo my relic... but terrible luck to make the exalt to reroll it. I have the 2LPs shattered worlds

[wooden monolith]

Ok, i was talking about the volca version, i think it s fine. Nice build lol, you re not cof right ?

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I am cof

[wooden monolith]

I like to min max builds like you, but i don t have 3lp titan heart, or 2lp relic, took me 2k hours to get a 2lp one and it sucks... do you farm your 3lp uniques ( titan heart), what s your / played ? ^^

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1k hours, I have 13 2LP shattered worlds, 26 2LP immortal gloves, I just found a 4LP exsang armor Ill be swapping to once i get my exalt, I will be getting void cleave/mana on my relic.

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Lazare dont take it personally, we call him mr lucky for a reason.

think he got 4 or 5 2lp shattered world in a day

[wooden monolith]

What? 1k hours only ?

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yes LOL

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how many ubers have you killed lazare?

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I played a lot of rpgs, and I min/max time and analyze how to farm the best.

[wooden monolith]

Man, it took me 2k hours to get a bad one lol

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1353 abberoth kills

[wooden monolith]

Don t know, 200 ?

Maybe 150

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here is a trick, make a uber killer and echo character.

[wooden monolith]

Ok, i understand now lol

[wooden monolith]

That s exactly what i do. I have 2 sentinel

Warpath for speed farming, rive for ubber kills

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what is your uber kill time? how long does it take to farm 1 black sun then reg abb then uber abb?

[wooden monolith]

Ubber, 1'30, but i am pretty borred of killing ubber, won t do it 1000 times

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i enjoy it:P

[austere frost]

Man sorry for my language what a f joke

So item doesn't get used let's nerf it in half loose idk 50-60 flat but gain likr 50 increased attack speed hell yeah

It should have been 45 at most flat not 30 rofl love ehg🤦

[wooden monolith]

Omg sword catcher is nerfed ? 😭

My favorite weapon

[austere frost]

So stupid man it got very nerfed

[wooden monolith]

Well it s the strongest sentinel weapon

For melee builds

[silk wasp]

I'm surprised they noticed how busted it would be before letting us use it with 400% inc frenzy effect. I thought for sure it'd slip through

[austere frost]

Yeah but only rive uses it, and void cleave

Like none are s tier builds

They guy says it doesn't get used barely and basically their thinking is let's cut the flat gain in half

[silk wasp]

It doesn't get used now. Before we get the option of 3% Inc Frenzy Effect per Vit

And a Frenzy belt that actually works

[austere frost]

Rive gets almost 100 vitality so 300 increased frenzy from that now you get what 90 from that ,not counting shattered and crow or frenzy boots

[wooden monolith]

Swordcatcher rive is stiers.
I used to kill UA with swordcatcher multistrike, before rive, it s s tiers too.

[austere frost]

Its not man warpath its s tier

There is a difference between a tier and s tier

Abomination is s tier

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Lazare can u link ur rive build

[wooden monolith]

The guy who killes UA 1000 times kills ua in 90 sc, but with 3t7

With warpath

A 2t7 rive is 1'30

[austere frost]

And abo and others smoke it at below 1 min

[wooden monolith]

With 3t7, rive can be 1 min too

[austere frost]

Warpath has way way better clear its not the bossing that makes it op but its still there

I can kill uber in maybe 10 seconds with da does that mean its s tier no

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yeah it's insane clear and speed

[wooden monolith]

I agree, for clear speed, i was talking about dps ( and only dps)

[austere frost]

Anyway fangs more damage if it stays the same then it will replace the doom belt and it will give you a ton more damage

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when I say 90 seconds it's from entering echo to leaving echo.

[austere frost]

Yeah I talk in general that's why I dont put bear in it ,at least abomination clear is good enough

[wooden monolith]

Ha, thought it was Ua kill ^^

[austere frost]

You can even use swap and make the kill even faster for warpath

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too lazy for that 😛

[wooden monolith]

Yeah, i ve seen a 26 sc ua kill with warpath

But i agree anyway, rive is not even the strongest build. I hate the nerf

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but i count my time from entering to leaving echo, mos the time is waiting for animations 🙁

[wooden monolith]

like the regular aberoth, killing UA is faster, because no animation

[hybrid crown]

when people point to maxroll they usually mean the official guides, not community. Your build is fairly similar to the official guide, but is less well-rounded, so not ideal for people who follow guides. Things like not capping endurance, not capping reduced damage from crits, not having overcapped resists, having more than 2LP slams on items with 65+LPL, and such make it hard for normal players following the guide

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there are still animations inbetween phases and walking down

[mint rock]

ooof nah

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I just found it wasnt needed at all, I tested with and without.

[hybrid crown]

I'm not saying for you. I'm saying the guide is built that way to ensure a smoother experience for those following

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that does makes sense, a lot of my gear is heavily minmaxed so I could forgo a lot of that extra stuff.

[hybrid crown]

Yeah, it can be like that sometimes. You do have some crazy pieces on that character.

[austere frost]

This is me this week before nerfs

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get er done

I better see a 3LP drop at least!

[austere frost]

Ay ay boss working on that

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I also have a uber gear swap vs normal echo.

[wooden monolith]

@jellal : my vision of tier s builds is different from yours.
I think there is 2 lists, one for bossing and one for mapping

[austere frost]

Yes there are but rive aint s on any if them if you put rive on s tier then what is abomination bear acid flask , falcon umbral, for bossing only

[wooden monolith]

I guess i would include all builds killing uz from 0sc to 2 min