🔱┃sentinel

[tardy mirage]

rip haste

[turbid dome]

Can’t go fast with a twohander and a shield

Embrace the chonk

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

hey, maybe with reliquary nest, we can actually get enough mana efficiency to spam abyssal echoes

[turbid dome]

You might think that

[tardy mirage]

maybe

[rigid dragon]

Ummm did sentinel just get nerfed to hell

[tardy mirage]

yes

[tardy mirage]

should still be salvageable but ye

[quiet hearth]

no

[turbid dome]

Erasing strike got nerfed

[tardy mirage]

warpath got nerfed too

smite got nerfed too

[turbid dome]

Yeah but that’s warpath

[tardy mirage]

judgement got rightfully nerfed

[turbid dome]

There’s like 40 builds for it

One is bound to be good

[quiet hearth]

SMite was over the top, it'll be fine but what happened to warpath?

[tardy mirage]

altho why did they hit the judgment trigger

that one was weird

[tardy mirage]

warpath got hit by the erasing strike nerf to voidwell

[turbid dome]

I still don’t see 3 -> 4 second cooldown there cooking builds as much as people say

[tardy mirage]

it means you need 33% more mana than you had before to get the same results

[turbid dome]

Yes

[tardy mirage]

which makes gear alot harder

[turbid dome]

My point is more we invest less into attack speed

So we don’t oom

[quiet hearth]

Warpath didnt need voidwell tho

[tardy mirage]

true

[turbid dome]

Avatar of regret might honestly be good for the slower attack speed

[tardy mirage]

no it really did

[turbid dome]

The warriors fury version did

[quiet hearth]

That's a specific build, not the entire skill

[tardy mirage]

thats how you sustained the mana scaling passive

[turbid dome]

The other 28 builds on warpath are ok

[quiet hearth]

PEople acting like it's the end of days because some outiers got kicked in the shin

[tardy mirage]

to be fair the other 28 builds are NOT warpath

they just use warpath as a vehicle for another skill

[tardy mirage]

oh no its probably fine... its just pain

[forest kelp]

Without Warrior's Fury

[turbid dome]

Man sure sounds like their using warpath to do stuff

[tardy mirage]

i dont think warpath used worldsplitter tho so it did avoid that nerf

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

Yeah cause warpath has a mana cost of 1

[tardy mirage]

clotho needle got nerfed tho

soooooo

eh it wasnt a massive nerf

[turbid dome]

Honestly good

I hate farming for that thing

[tardy mirage]

i think its still better than apathy ... and now you will have to farm even more to make it worth using

cuz you wont be able to have meh mods

[turbid dome]

Counter point: I’m making a 300 vitality rive vk and using apathy’s maw

20k max health here I come

[tardy mirage]

counterpoint ... eh nvm thats peak

enjoy 200% movement speed

lol

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

With carrion of creation, does that convert Rive's doubling of 2h stats for dots as well?

[turbid dome]

Is it

• flat melee damage
• increased damage
• aliment chance

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[tardy mirage]

yes

cuz the conversion would happen after the doubling

and to be fair

it would do it no matter which order

[quiet hearth]

thats what I thought, so excuse me while I go get that frostbite spear

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[quiet hearth]

Rive is always the best skill

[turbid dome]

Rive go brr

Shrimple as

[forest kelp]

Dont like rive

[quiet hearth]

Wait

I can use ruby fang set and fire vengeance and convert it all to bleed

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, though unfortunately the res stacking in vengeance converts

[quiet hearth]

that it does

[daring beacon]

hey all new to LE and fell in love with Forged Guard

[daring beacon]

is forged strike(shrapnel) scalable?

[pseudo parcel]

[waxen nymph]

The explosion?

Not really

[mental flare]

huh

[queen glade]

Yes but now we'l be able to get T8 reduced mana cost on helm though

I'm wondering how good that will make the mana sustain

[tardy mirage]

let me check

[queen glade]

I think overall we'l be able to ramp for alot longer tbh lol

Especially since CLotho's nerf, I'l be using a worldsplitter instead.

[tardy mirage]

-68%

at max roll

[queen glade]

Yep

We're ramping more

Than last season

[tardy mirage]

dont think so

[queen glade]

Even with 1 sec added to voidwell

[tardy mirage]

eh maybe

i wish everyone else could enjoy that

[queen glade]

At it's worst it'l be around the same 🙂

[tardy mirage]

let me use that on dissentegrate

uwu

[tardy mirage]

no because now you actually have to go get t8

and it blocks off using any of the uniques

[queen glade]

Not sure what else I'd use it on for my warpath build from last season

If not for better mana sustain and more ramp

honestly :p

We'l see. I'm only gonna play for a week-ish till poe2 drops and maybe come back after or something.

[tardy mirage]

lol

[daring beacon]

So would i just scale for minion dmg?

I was trying to recreate my volcanic slam ignite from poe1

[waxen nymph]

Oo

I am slow today, too much beer this weekend but I am confused

You mentioned this node

The explosion is bad, it's a Minion Spell

It's way better to scale Melee Minion Dmg

But I don't see the connection with volcanic slam

[lean swift]

bleed might be strong

[waxen nymph]

Bleed what?

[forest kelp]

DoT no crit, dont like

[lean swift]

hammers

[lean swift]

but but u can explode the bleed :C

[forest kelp]

[sharp osprey]

damn max roll on the attribute stats too

[spring lotus]

does erasing strike still viable for next patch? I haven't build any on last league

[forest kelp]

You can still kill Uber, but it will be about half as now

[spring lotus]

hmm, as long I don't die, I guess that's a fair trade

[scenic gyro]

@gusty abyss figured anything cool out with all the new stuff? what are you planning to start with

[gusty abyss]

Not sure yet honestly, nothing seems to really trigger my "Thats cool I want to build around it" feeling.

For sentinal maybe FG forgestrike around the frenzy belt

Rough maybe: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkGpEjdQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (23) / Forge Guard (55) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,714, Regen: 260.4/s
▸ Mana: 302.68, Regen: 17.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 161 Str / 7 Dex / 7 Int / 7 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 124% / 57% / 57% / 76% / 73% / 46% / 46%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 1,116
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (28)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,447)
▸ Block Chance: 202%, Mitigation: 54% (2,425)

Used skills:

Symbols of Hope / Forge Strike / Void Cleave / Javelin / Healing Hands

[scenic gyro]

yea got the same feeling, nothing that makes me tingle too much
maybe some minion stuff cause those got alot of new stuff

[gusty abyss]

Honestly more excited about the +1 stats from campaign to fix my smite warpath VK's dorb vit treshold xD

[scenic gyro]

kek

[forest kelp]

Still 50 point with more node weaver tree?

[gusty abyss]

looks like 53 on LE tools

we do get some beast related echos

[scenic gyro]

new boss probably gonna be easier than uber abby so we have more breathing room to play cooler builds in endgame

[gusty abyss]

Which new boss? 😮

[scenic gyro]

just a guess, some uniques are too strong as random drops ^^

also with all the eggs and breeding stuff, there are bound to be some parents running around somewhere right

[gusty abyss]

In the new woven echos xD

Anyway, my understanding is the the beast we kill is the parent, we let a baby go who grows up to be the new parent

[forest kelp]

It like boss Folly

[scenic gyro]

ooh okay that makes more sense

[tardy mirage]

with small changes ye

well i say small but they can grow a second head

theres gotta be something wrong with that bloodline

[gusty abyss]

yeah, we chose the baby most benificial to us

[tardy mirage]

and then we can keep it as a pet

kind of

hopefully the ammy is 100% drop at the very end of the chain

or at least like really high

[gusty abyss]

I think it is 100% drop, it will take a while to complete the chain

[tardy mirage]

ye cuz it would suck if you got through the complete chain and built a good pet and then it didnt drop

and yes imma keep calling it a pet uwu

[scenic gyro]

so its like build a bear and you can keep it

with the amu

[tardy mirage]

kind of ye

[scenic gyro]

that sounds fun

i might cheat on my beloved sentinel and go minion army beastmaster

[tardy mirage]

i hope it isnt bad ... it doesnt have the same scaling options that the trex does

[scenic gyro]

you cant not play a trex

its gonna be suplementary

[tardy mirage]

lol

[scenic gyro]

if you only spawn it at 40% boss hp you gotta deal with the 60% first

[tardy mirage]

ye

[gusty abyss]

I think its going to be a more accessible nihilis with lower ceiling, the beast is more flavor

[scenic gyro]

yea looks like it

[tardy mirage]

actually it does have the same scalers

owo

just crit and crit dmg

so maybe it wont be bad

[scenic gyro]

only 1 way to find out

[gusty abyss]

There is a chance one if its abilities will be busted

[scenic gyro]

most likely

i dont think they made it boring ^^ its kinda the main thing of the season

[gusty abyss]

I wonder where its power level is. Is it a pushover like mage/nemesis, or is it closer to an actual timeline boss/harbinger?

Or worse, shade level? 😄

[scenic gyro]

its probably gonna be accesible for most people
they kinda shy away from making stuff too hard unless its instanced

[waxen nymph]

Wow wow wow

Where spin to Smite?

[scenic gyro]

we got nothing exciting for that

[waxen nymph]

I need stability in my life
Cookbook plays scorpion psn nova
Cyborg shatter Strike bloody nib
Skyqula spin to Smite

Because this way, when someone have a question I can redirect them to the expert

[gusty abyss]

Well, nothing really sparks joy for spin to smite. The crit neck maybe. But probably just t8 void damage with void damage mod on helm.

Doing that would barely offset the nerf to wrongwarp. Leaving the nerf to mark of rot. Which is pretty big as bursting potions during it is where this build really bursts.

First time a patch actually nerfs instead of buffs the build though

[scenic gyro]

yea last patch was a banger for spin smite

[gusty abyss]

There might be an arc where you go ravager dart instead of vortex pennant and take Reliquary nest

[scenic gyro]

there is probably some nuts stuff you can do with that relic and class specific idols

[waxen nymph]

Shield Throw comes to mind

[forest kelp]

[waxen nymph]

Do you want 1440 extra reflect?

[scenic gyro]

if my minion beasti doesnt work out im gonna try a reflect build this season 100%

[gusty abyss]

I heard someone say they could get to 300k reflect, with that new chest doing it twice each second, doesnt actually sound that bad

[scenic gyro]

it has to be good at some point right, they just keep throwing reflect stuff at us

[gusty abyss]

unless I am mistaken, I think you can get 5k reflect, 1800% increased from attunement scaling (thronshell), 400% more on chest. And reflect was not affected by monster DR. that would approach 1M true DPS

[scenic gyro]

that sounds like a fun time

only thing i imagine is a struggle are bosses maybe, if you dont get hit much it might become a drag

[gusty abyss]

and you have so much open space to just stack defense

just be in rebuke all day? xD

this actually sounds like a very fun build to do on an alt

[scenic gyro]

if you are just doing for the funsies then sure i guess ^^

probably not a good starter though

[gusty abyss]

ofcourse not, horrible to get going, but if you have all the pieces farmed already

it would be a real walking sim at that point

[silk wasp]

Standing sim

[night rock]

how are we feeling about VK start? knowing what we know about balance in the past, starting as lich or necro or beastmaster will probably ggez mode but what about the past ggez modes

mortal cleave and fluctuations were not touched at all, VK still has super easy gearing. thinking warpath -> ES when i actually have decent gear vs immediate ES?

[uneven gorge]

This is looking good for rive VK

[turbid dome]

I’m more tempted with the berserker hat

[night rock]

that does seem pretty dope

i just cbb to look do gearing gymnastics when VK solves everything on its tree

[turbid dome]

VK will always be great for janky set ups entirely because the whole thing scales off of like 2 stats

Makes it easier to squeeze in weird ideas when you don’t need 15 different things to function

[night rock]

yea when you can gear for anything because abyssal fluctuations is outrageous its nice

[pseudo parcel]

You can play autobomber VK on literal shoestring items and still farm 300c super fast

[coral nebula]

the increase damage taken thing scaling off frenzy effectiveness makes it troll compared to shattered chains

[uneven gorge]

I was thinking more about scaling the leech drain, but I haven't looked into how effective it is

[iron basin]

Just don't take damage and it won't matter

[uneven gorge]

Oh yeah, that sucks. Imagine taking +45% increased damage

[coral nebula]

yep. and as you increase strength you are increasing the damage you take. use shattered worlds? take more damage too

[uneven gorge]

Just dodge 🤓

[coral nebula]

vs shatterred chains free 16% multiplicative damage

[iron basin]

There's definitely value in the dramatically increased AS you get from so much frenzy, but the damage taken downside is rough for sure

[waxen nymph]

It looks nice with Sword Catcher

[turbid dome]

Chains being chains is part of why I’m more interested in the berserker hat than that belt

[waxen nymph]

Butcher Crown ?

I wonder if you are able to combat Mana cost from Warpath Warrior Fury with that Helmet

[quiet hearth]

I doubt it with that 4 times per 2s rule it has

Im sorry but Im reading over the prim uniques and I see this in the Chorus of Anurok hat

[waxen nymph]

The goal is to last as long as possible

You will always run out of mana

[uneven gorge]

you might as well just do this instead

[waxen nymph]

Maybe

[iron basin]

yeah primalist chat has been going off about that hat the past couple days

I think someone said you can get up to 11 of them? idr the number

[quiet hearth]

I really wish sent had more minion options

[iron basin]

forged weapons inheriting the visual changes from the various FS nodes would be funny. imagine running around with a pack of anvils bashing people

[quiet hearth]

I would love that

Or something that changed it into just one BIG weapon that floats around bashing things

Or imagine if warpath had a node that made your FW do little warpaths with you

[uneven gorge]

me when

[forest kelp]

Which one for shield throw?

[iron basin]

I think their overall minion design between the different classes is honestly pretty solid thematically

[quiet hearth]

Im not arguing thematics, I just want more options.

[iron basin]

yeah fair

[quiet hearth]

Like everyone else gets cool things, I want cool things too.

[iron basin]

i like the Warpath weapon idea

I do think that thematically they should stick with what they have and just expand on that mechanically is all. already have the single big boi with the robot

keep forged weapons as a temporary horde and have them do cool stuff like that

[quiet hearth]

He's not very big tho, heck they still dont have his skills working in some instances

[iron basin]

yeah that's a different story though

that's just the skill itself not being great

[quiet hearth]

Not really, other classes are getting cool things for their minions and they work, our one is just sort of limping around

[iron basin]

the options are there with it even if they aren't as good as other options

it's just a matter of them needing buffs/fixes

mechanically there are a lot of things you can do with the robot. they just suck or don't work

[quiet hearth]

holy mech suit when

[iron basin]

forged weapons also have a lot of different interactions, some of which are good

[iron basin]

yo turning MA into a self buff that gives you the abilities from your robot could be pretty sick. automatic forgebellows going off. greatsword swipes triggered by your own attacks

[silk wasp]

Build-a-Bot is pretty alright. It has a few dead nodes but it's mostly good. RoS is in dire straits

[iron basin]

Ring of Shields feels like old Aura of Decay. fine support spell for the builds that want it, garbage as a damage dealer

[silk wasp]

Like half the skill tree is inexplicably designed to deal damage

And is just truly awful at it

[iron basin]

yeah it's like AoD with all of its ailment application rate increases and 0 way to scale the damage of those ailments

[silk wasp]

Three nodes dedicated to healing that can never scale beyond a couple hundred HP every 6s

[iron basin]

now at least it does have multipliers to the damage

[quiet hearth]

Dealing damage is fine, just scaling it is a pain. Do something like add block effectiveness to it or something

[daring beacon]

it was either this or try shaman from primalist earth quak to recreate how volcanic strike interacs on slams from poe

[turbid dome]

Didn’t the block efficiency idols get nerfed

[quiet hearth]

ive no idea

[silk wasp]

Block Effectiveness idols got nerfed, yeah

[turbid dome]

Darn I might have to think about idols on a shield build now

[quiet hearth]

VK has made smooth brain, no think, only consume

[silk wasp]

The void will do that to you

[alpine canopy]

Give me a big forged weapon that's a hammer using our specced forge strike lol

[sharp osprey]

is shield throw crit a thing?

[waxen nymph]

Of course

[sharp osprey]

might have to try it

[forest kelp]

So strong, can tank Uber

[waxen nymph]

Its going to be really strong this season

With the new relic for inc idol effect

And Weaver Relic Reflect Dmg

[forest kelp]

2 day before get nerf global

Wrong my idol

And smite

Lost fire pen form healing effectiveness 🥹

[turbid dome]

🐟

[forest kelp]

I’ll come back with the wolves or the Heartseeker build in the first month and wait for everyone to teach me how to use the new primal unique

[sudden sigil]

i dont think they ever confirmed if that change will make it to live

[forest kelp]

Patch note say that

[sudden sigil]

thats just the weaver affix, theres nothing in the notes about the 2x2 affix or any of the other main affixes

[forest kelp]

Yes, I got -160% healing effectiveness, and I’ll lose 10% fire penetration

[dapper horizon]

im guessing erasing strike still top tier build?

doesnt look like much has changed

[turbid dome]

It should still work fine, just needs more investment and you may need to swing slower cause void well is 4 seconds of cooldown now instead of 3

[scenic gyro]

best slam on bastion? probably block effectiveness right

[ionic tusk]

how void well 3 to 4 affects warpath?
I was playing ES last league so im aware of the changes affecting it

only that one seemed affect warpath builds

[turbid dome]

Hurts but the new T8 reduced channel cost affix might save it

#🔱┃sentinel message

[ionic tusk]

hmmm I see, to be honest i believe it was quite strong and that affix looks cool as well

I kinda started to struggle with my other characters at like 400-500 c but was breezing 1.2k c with my es

cant complain tho

peak melee

[turbid dome]

Yeah 3 to 4 second cooldown for void well basically means you need a lot more mana

Or to reduce the cost somehow

Idk if the t8 is enough for that

[ionic tusk]

basically you need to sustain enough mana in some other ways to last 1 more second

etc

[turbid dome]

Yea

Es can do that fine by just attacking less or attacking slower with avatar of regret

[ionic tusk]

yeah and you always could play lower ''guaranteed echo chance but with more mana cost'' skill point

[turbid dome]

But since warpath is a channel that style of fixing would be more clunky

[muted oar]

It is a buff to mana sustain to have +1 second and going from 45>68% reduced cost, the channel cost is like 42% lower going from 45 to 68

[ionic tusk]

but I believe those echoes have now 20% less dmg modifier

[turbid dome]

Yeah

*mana consumed

[turbid dome]

I thought that was just for es in general

[muted oar]

You are more contingent on a well rolled helmet now tho

[ionic tusk]

yeah lol

[silent storm]

probably gonna have to chew through a lot of leonines

[ionic tusk]

tbh i guess they only touched dps of the class?

[muted oar]

Clothos lost 20 flat melee damage i think?

Mana sustain is even/slight buff

[ionic tusk]

sentinel overall is pretty tanky so i think you can still play wp or like es

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[muted oar]

warpath is really fine

if you want to play it

[turbid dome]

They only nerfed es and warpath

Like 90% of vk is untouched

Oh wait also smite I think

[silent storm]

the mana idol nerfs were painful too

[ionic tusk]

yeah tbh but im prettyu sure sentinel will be still strong

even ES and warpath builds, will be hella strong alone from tankiness

[muted oar]

Surprised titan heart is still untouched

just broken asf

[silent storm]

ox got gutted

12-18 health

[muted oar]

The butchers crown would be cool if you could somehow scale it

To regen enough mana

while spinning

But i dont think theres any way it beats t8 channel cost

The mana and health on hit should scale with frenzy effect aswell (:

[turbid dome]

I was just gonna use it on rive and not care about mana costs

[muted oar]

Any good source of mana regen or is the cost super low anyways on rive

Symbols of hope is an easy 32% and nihilis another 30%~

[turbid dome]

Rive is free + time and faith gives 10 mana per rive swing

Don’t even need to smack something

[muted oar]

oh right

free is good

[turbid dome]

Might just do my classic basic vk

Rive + vc + cooldown es

[dense tendon]

i cba looking it up again
you can change t6 to t8 right

[muted oar]

No it needs to be T7

[dense tendon]

yeah this t8 channel cost leonine business might not be very doable then

[vapid badge]

Reflect Forge Guard dream is real and will work

[turbid dome]

[iron basin]

i got my reflect character sheet to like 500k boss DPS

but the gameplay is literal walking simulator so it might appeal to the righteous fire boomers in chat

[quiet hearth]

I still cant believe time and faith missed the nerf bat

[vapid badge]

This amulet seems insane as well. Ignoring 3 resistances on a character that focuses on armor and physical resistance is just too obviously good to pass up

Lots of hard choices with the primordial uniques

[quiet hearth]

That's a good thing though

[turbid dome]

Keep in mind that thing has like a mini challenge to finding it

I think that’s what Arron said in his item over view thing

[quiet hearth]

mechant guild superiority

primal cadence should have been a mace so I could abuse that one WP node

[iron basin]

i got clowned on for suggesting this item was good the other day

"It takes up your primordial slot and doesn't deal damage!"

[quiet hearth]

defense isnt real, didnt you know that?

[iron basin]

nevermind how much of your defenses that it solves

[fair hollow]

dont forget the power of a t8 affix insteadof a primordial unique

[quiet hearth]

I should do something with the butchers crown, titan heart and grim constitution

[vapid badge]

People like big damage numbers. I like the fantasy of the immovable tank

[iron basin]

I can honestly see a niche use for damn near every primordial. The hardest for me to picutre is probably the really weird "idol shape matters" chest

[quiet hearth]

Mana efficiency is big, damage on echoes is big

[iron basin]

yeah but you can't stack them unless the affixes come on idols that have different shapes

[quiet hearth]

Sure, but those are still big boosts

that's another 90% crit multi for rive

[lone verge]

What are key defense mechanics that yall feel are needed for every Paladin build (Assume I don't attack except with Judgement)

[iron basin]

armor and endurance. I think a lot of those builds were using twisted heart to generate a ton of ward

[quiet hearth]

% hp restored on lunge, there we go

[sudden sigil]

its cool but you already ignore all resists on sent

[iron basin]

200% of shield throw base damage converted to void

[lone verge]

True I could do that instead of just being a life build. That could be another version of what I'm doing (I'm mostly just seeing what all is required atm)

[iron basin]

you're still a life build with it

[sudden sigil]

it is pretty insane dr for those types but sent is already dr king and you have to drop nihilis + another primordial

[iron basin]

twisted heart is a ward item that wants you to have a high life total

[lone verge]

I mean yea but you're using your life to pretty much convert it to ward

[iron basin]

as well as leech or some other form of recovery(ie judgement healing)

right but it converts your current life, which means you want a high current life. it's not like exsan where you're regening based onyour missing

[lone verge]

That's true.

[iron basin]

so you constantly want to be healing what you're converting, kinda like with judgement healing

[quiet hearth]

does the boosting chest also work on weaver affixes?

[lone verge]

Yea, I've just been stacking block instead. Might try the heart

[lone verge]

You mean the idol one?
It should

Same thing with the Relic.

[quiet hearth]

200% of missing hp restored on lunge here I come

[lone verge]

For the body armour remember that it has to be different idols otherwise you won't get the bonus past the first one

[quiet hearth]

Right, Im jesting but I genuinely think you could hit 100% of missing health on lunge now

[lone verge]

Is your relic required for that build?

[quiet hearth]

Not sure I'd have to see

[lone verge]

Because if it isn't required you can use the relic and get the bonus and be able to use all the same relics
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwNgzALGZA

[dense tendon]

why would it be different idols

[quiet hearth]

Right, I think using either one will get you there

12% goes to 24%, on three idol slots with the chest, so yes, with the chest you can recover 100% of your life on a lunge now XD

[iron basin]

i don't see why it wouldn't

[quiet hearth]

Now I just gotta see how low I can get the CD

[dense tendon]

wait did they make 2 different primordial items that boost idols

[quiet hearth]

yes a chest and a relic

So the relic one boosts them to 19%, so only 3%, both are viable for hitting that threshold, but I imagine a perfect roll on that relic would be hard to find or buy

[gusty abyss]

So with chest you can have 12, 8 and 11, for 31x2 = 62. With relic you can have 8x4 + 11x2 for 54x1.6 = 86.4.

Or am I missing something?

[lone verge]

Are we just trying to get CD for shield rush?

[quiet hearth]

base 40% in the tree

[lone verge]

So like 92ish%?

Maybe closer to 90

[urban robin]

whats the best sentinel build?

[iron basin]

you're gonna get a lot of different answers for that

[scenic gyro]

one you come up with yourself and make it work in endgame

[urban robin]

there should be a meta one tho no?

[scenic gyro]

we get a patch in 3 days, there is no point asking that now

[lean swift]

prolly warpath still

then someone cooks something

[sudden sigil]

the best one is the one where you dont need to put resists on your gear

[scarlet thistle]

Definitely not the best, but it feels like a worthy meme build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPbY14JQ

It's Ignite Shield Rush with Wildfire Embers.

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (26) / Paladin (62)

General:

▸ Health: 2,760, Regen: 184.62/s
▸ Mana: 146.51, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 7 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 266% / 116% / 127% / 36% / 122% / 60% / 25%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,023
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,707)
▸ Block Chance: 45%, Mitigation: 42% (1,406)

Used skills:

Shield Rush / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura / Volatile Reversal

[muted oar]

Probably warpath unless someone spawns in some giga tech

Mana sustain is better than 1.2 but clothos slight nerf

[urban robin]

i kinda like erasing strike my sent is still lvl 9 tho sooo xD seems its sooo mana heavy but deals alot of damage

[iron basin]

erasing strike VK should honestly be fine with the coming patch, just not as dominant as before

[quiet hearth]

ES will be more than fine, you'll just have to stop and actually recover every now and then

I might start ignite pally just because it's so braindead easy on start

[silk wasp]

Aura Judgement didn't get hit that hard so it'll still be pretty good too

[quiet hearth]

I really wish Judgement was the class skill and not holy aura

[sharp osprey]

I'm using that to make a lich armor stacker.

[silk wasp]

I wish Symbols was the class skill or beyond the lock so I wouldn't feel compelled to use it in almost every build

[sharp osprey]

swap judgement and symbols

[muted oar]

But then VK would be balanced

Cant have that

[valid orchid]

Any tips and tweaks I could make for my smite-time rot build in order to kill uberroth before the new season hits? 😅

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe38JX5o

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 4,155, Regen: 35/s
▸ Mana: 200.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 7/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 8 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 130% / 78% / 134% / 128% / 80% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,226
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (18)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,913)
▸ Block Chance: 32%, Mitigation: 39% (1,245)

Used skills:

Abyssal Echoes / Smite / Volatile Reversal / Anomaly / Devouring Orb

[valid orchid]

I manage to get him down to the second notch, but then shit hits the fan... Is it just the case of skill-issue

[mental flare]

is 2 red ring + null portent enough DR for Ubby? no block/dodge/parry, lifeleech

[uneven gorge]

It's enough if you can kill him before you die

[austere coral]

Had 1:22 campaign act 5 monos ready run (12/15 passive 5/8 idols), I think I'm ready for new season, just need to re-learn monos progression and learn weaver tree progression(I didn't learn it yet, cuz had to mostly skip s2, due to irl)

[mental flare]

hope you have to code in JS from now on

😔

[turbid dome]

Nah make them only code in assembly

Assembly translated from punch cards

[muted oar]

It is but do you not have life leech?

If u have a decent HP pool and endurance you shouldnt die to the slam even at that point

and its just recovery

[mental flare]

assembly is like a true melee build, hard but rewarding, pure, elegant
JS is like a spell build, unworhty, shameful, confusing at times

[mental flare]

yeah i have, from the null portent

[muted oar]

Sounds fine to me, had less but immortal vise is op

[uneven gorge]

A fate worse than death 😔

[turbid dome]

nah rust is still worse

[upbeat dune]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Ultorrev/character/JianDeLabyss any smart people want to give me some 1.3 item swap advice?

im running frenzy void rive with swordcatcher and i was wondering if swapping shattered chains and siphon for fangs of the berserker and red ring is just a sick upgrade?

i dont think i can use the butchers crown even though its badass because im running titan heart and then ill just be a sad little hp draining corpse

[quiet hearth]

Java has entered the chat

[turbid dome]

java at least has the advantage of not needing to re-write it for different operating systems

[quiet hearth]

that is arguable

[turbid dome]

but yeah not its ass otherwise

[turbid dome]

hath doth thou foundeth an operating system that doesn't run the java runtime environment?

[quiet hearth]

Ive seen java not run on anything just because it doesnt want to

[turbid dome]

fair enough

gotta appease the machine spirit then try again

[quiet hearth]

I also just hate coding so there's that part too, which is a shame because I would love to sit not talking to people as I try to coax the machine spirit into working again

[turbid dome]

tbf hating coding kinda makes most languages bad

[quiet hearth]

Im just not that sort of brain that coding requires, not that being the person who talks to people is much better but Im at least good at it apparently

[turbid dome]

valid

[quiet hearth]

Like, I don't know how EHG makes this game run like it does, it's wild

[turbid dome]

do you want a vague answer?

[quiet hearth]

Not really, I'll just enjoy the game and yell at the design team periodically

[iron basin]

assembly has the advantage of doing exactly what you tell it to do

rollercoaster tycoon was made in assembly, surely you can do a game like LE :^)

[turbid dome]

advantage: it does exactly what you tell it

disadvantage: it does exactly what you tell it

[iron basin]

TRU

learning how to give assembly instructions to a single-cycle processor in college was an adventure

[turbid dome]

I thought I messed up taking an assembly course during my undergrad

ended up finding it fun

[iron basin]

I was EE so I only tangentially got the assembly stuff. ended up being pretty useful when I got into embedded systems senior year

thought about going back for a masters or phd in microelectronics or medical electronics, but just haven't gotten around to it

[mental flare]

not tolerating any java slander

[iron basin]

encouraging java slander

[mental flare]

nu huh

[turbid dome]

yuh huh

[mental flare]

blocked

[iron basin]

leave it to sentinel chat, the only class that has an actual robot available, to be the one talking about assembly

[turbid dome]

forge guard should be an int mastery

[silk wasp]

Just make a 2h version of Cleaver Solution and we're in there

[scarlet thistle]

It could be called Cleaverer Solution

[sharp osprey]

I support this

[tardy mirage]

attumement

[sharp osprey]

They should make FG int focused and repaint it green.

what's the best way to scale palarus?

[forest kelp]

The heaviest nerf to my builds is probably the removal of the free cleanse from Smite

[polar spire]

primalist aspect idols

if you're going to do an aspect based beastmaster, not reliant on pets, that chest sounds good for aspect builds

shark specifically, is a big one, since bm's as a shark build can literally break the game with too much attack speed from shark

[queen spade]

been having so much fun playing theory crafting simulator

[polar spire]

they can offset that by running an event horizon, which if i remember right, still leaves them at 160% attack speed, even with a fully stacked event horizon

its prob why the melee damage segment of shark got nerfed

you had disgustingly insane damage increases with event horizon + shark build

and hit super fast

[queen spade]

I wonder how hard it'll be to actually farm up primordial items

[tacit zealot]

divine bolt cast through healing hands does both count as "hit" damage?

[queen spade]

divine bolt is a hit

if you have searing light node for healing hands, it gets a hit too

[tacit zealot]

so just the cast of healing hands doesnt count as a hit itself at base?

[queen spade]

correct, it's not hitting anything. Just healing allies in target area

[tacit zealot]

but it does damage

[queen spade]

you need searing light to make it do dmg and therefore make it into a hit skill

Searing Light Node: Deals Fire Damage on Hit; Healing Hands now hits enemies within its area of effect, dealing spell fire damage. Added spell damage applies to it at 200% effectiveness.

[tacit zealot]

ohh yeah forgot the name of that node for a sec but that is a guarenteed take

i take it 100% of the time so its essentially "base" for me haha

[queen spade]

that's not what base means 🙂 but I know what you mean

[tacit zealot]

so the javelin 300% more hit damage isnt much of a nerf

[queen spade]

I think it's a specific nerf to a broken build - javelin time rot void knight

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, that kills Time Rot Jav

That and the nerf to BBC

[polar spire]

trying to cook with a possible arena pet build lmao @fair hollow

you can get to around 3000-4000 endurance threshold, so every second your pets are attacking you're gaining that amount in ward

[queen spade]

🤔

but where is the dmg

[polar spire]

yea thats what im trying to figure out i think i need to not think of the pets as damage, and focus on myself, the pets are just there to grant me ancestral pack stacks and ward gen

forged weapons are just god awful

[queen spade]

your weapons gonna die

[polar spire]

hey thats fine, all they gotta do is hit crap

this would be a forge strike spammer too

[jagged canopy]

Almost all of the primordial uniques come from a shop (I think I heard there are three that don't, but I'm not sure we know which ones they are), and it looks like you can choose beast evolutions to give specific currencies for that shop
So sounds like it should be pretty deterministic

[queen spade]

Yea, but how time consuming will it be to find these dinos

[polar spire]

i might also have a way to make a forge strike spammer while using that new mana primordial ring

[queen spade]

I cooked something weird with FG

[polar spire]

it'd be cool if they plugged them into the weaver tree like they did with nemesis

[queen spade]

wish I had the ability to test my theories before release

[polar spire]

i wouldnt be surprised at all if the rift beasts have their own weaver tree nodes

[queen spade]

pokemon time

[jagged canopy]

I mean, it's the season mechanic. If it's rare, then the season won't be fun

[queen spade]

catch em all!!!

[polar spire]

i feel like each new season that adds new stuff, they'll just be filling out the weaver tree

[queen spade]

I wish one of the build planners had a working calculator for dps

manually calculating dps in spreadsheets is fun but tiring

[polar spire]

the fact the dino shop also has memory shards tells me theres a pretty high likelihood we'll see rift beast nodes in weavers

[queen spade]

There's gonna be some weird juicing with weavers will/nodes

I've made a few primordial builds that I can swap into while gearing up for my dream one

[polar spire]

i wanna do more with this, i feel like it really fits a gladiator playstyle, i look for any chances i can get to run missing health lunges into a build

[queen spade]

It'll be all good fun to test everything out

[turbid dome]

I'm planning on using that with back to basics vk

[queen spade]

I wanted to do a low CD lunge spammer at some point, but gave up on that since there wasn't any real way to scale its damage

[polar spire]

ive done 6000 health sentinel where getting to 5% you can lunge and instantly restore all of it to full

[turbid dome]

void cleave -> ES -> rive with time and faith to recharge

[polar spire]

rive with ignites + wildfire spirit amulet + forge strike or smelters

suckem all in then pop

can do ES or judge too

[queen spade]

Thicket of blinding light will be a great alt lvling item

throw on a bunch of reflect idols and walk through campaign

[polar spire]

it'll be a great main item

[queen spade]

so many new fun things to theory craft, glad that EHG changed their tester program

[polar spire]

that + Torkrefin + Vengeance's Blade Paladin node, and you have a damage reflect bleed tank

[polar spire]

@queen spade @turbid dome here go cook with this real quick

too bad its 25 pts into paladin, if it were lower i'd run that on forge guard and use a World Splitter

^ this might actually end up being a way to play spam forge strike

lmfao

no wait

paladin

duh

well, spam judgement could work

[turbid dome]

warriors fury vk warpath

[polar spire]

oh yea

its gained on hit

not direct

uh oh

[turbid dome]

use the mana on hit to supplement void well

[polar spire]

:D

[turbid dome]

and warpath smacks twice a second right?

[polar spire]

UH OH

[turbid dome]

or does it actually use attack speed now

I do not remember

[polar spire]

hits at twice your attack rate

it says

shhhh making me wanna make a judgement build for that now, and im trying to setup bleed thorns

[jagged canopy]

🤔 What's the synergy between bleed and thorns?

[polar spire]

this on the thorns chest

this on vengeance

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYjbK94A
Crit Bleed/Thorns Paladin

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (29) / Paladin (64)

General:

▸ Health: 2,310, Regen: 138.6/s
▸ Mana: 197.7, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 19 Dex / 19 Int / 34 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 111% / 149% / 364% / 52% / 91% / 126%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 66%, Threshold: 813
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,822)
▸ Block Chance: 57%, Mitigation: 37% (1,077)

Used skills:

Lunge / Healing Hands / Vengeance / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[waxen nymph]

The helm looks good on Warrior Fury

[forest kelp]

Warpath dual wielding 3x7

[polar spire]

shhh don't let vlad know. he's part of the team, he'll get it nerfed

[waxen nymph]

With the mana regen on Sigils and Holy Aura

Question is
What will make you spin longer?
T8 channel Cost or the Helm with T7 channel cost

[forest kelp]

Too late

[turbid dome]

all of the vk nerfs are just "now you only get most of the stuff you need for mostly free"

[polar spire]

if theres anything i like about vk, its how much tankier this new amulet makes them than any of the other classes or sentinel submasteries

VK's get to just flood armor and phys resist

[waxen nymph]

You can't convert dmg taken twice

[polar spire]

buzzkill mod

[waxen nymph]

Sorry sis

I am very confused about that amulet

[polar spire]

i found what to use with butchers crown

[waxen nymph]

I guess you get more value for you armor

[forest kelp]

Now I know why Orian's Descent went up to 65

[quiet hearth]

Wear butchers crown, Titan heart, and grim oath

[polar spire]

oh no, time and faith, mana gained on vengeance hit chest affix, azurral's fury, butchers crown, fire vengeance

helm has mana on smite hit affix, so you can do something there too, no azzural's for that, but whew

oh rive has it too, thats right

[turbid dome]

Is that only on a direct smite cast

[polar spire]

yea

[turbid dome]

Darn

[pseudo parcel]

[forest kelp]

Still crazy

Like Dual wielding

[pseudo parcel]

Few more days

[forest kelp]

[polar spire]

wait a second

butchers crown is based on % increased mana regen

not your flat mana regen

omg

thats SO MUCH JUICIER

[forest kelp]

What mean base increased mana regen? 0% 😆

[polar spire]

yea if you have the helm on you have no mana regen

it looks at all your increased mana regen for its hit bonuses

[forest kelp]

Right

[polar spire]

if you hover over mana regen, you get to sit there and count up all the %'s to see how much health and mana butchers crown gives back >:D

[forest kelp]

I know it

Last time, I saw some guy complaining that T7 mana regen was too useless and ranting loudly about it

12% increased mana regen per 1 gained mana

[polar spire]

so lets see here, with build im cooking now, i'd get 30 mana on hit

[forest kelp]

It too big

[polar spire]

and 360 health on hit

[forest kelp]

With smite 0 mana

[polar spire]

my base mana regen with no crown issss 32

so you have to hit faster than regen

sooo nvm this won't work for judgement

i was expecting much higher mana gain amounts

should work fine for everything else though

[forest kelp]

You need something to actively gained mana because sometimes you'll burn through all your mana and won't be able to regen it anymore

[fair hollow]

That offhand is so bait for sentinel minions

Too much weapon stats youre giving up on

[safe citrus]

Doom setup gives you about 35% more damage.
Fangs definitely gives you waaaay more damage than that (just quickly estimating its about 50% more melee damage and 60 flat damage from sword catcher, and 20% increased attack speed or so), considering you get shattered worlds, the boots affix, and you got about 70 strength, and the sword catcher.
Obviously theres a big downside of taking more damage, but i think for an uber aberroth version its worth the try to see whether you can tank the extra damage while shortening the fight

[polar spire]

do you use all 5 skills on the bar for that build, or can you swap in unspecced rebuke for big hits to solve the issue?

[safe citrus]

Well i dont know what skills you mean, he is using rive and void cleave. But ofcourse you can spec the rebuke, but in uber aberoth why not just move out of the way

[polar spire]

i just remember when they broke the arena on emp of corpses, and his mass aoe would hit the whole arena and you couldnt escape it and we had someone come in and complain and just told him to put on unspecced rebuke and he cleared it first attempt after

[safe citrus]

Well yea when its a very telegraphed long attack like that maybe its worth it

aberoth doesnt really have such abilities tho, theres no reason to tank it

Imo the only reason to use the belt is for aberoth, you lose so much EHP by equipping it

[upbeat dune]

appreciate you taking a look

[safe citrus]

Thats assuming top rolls ofcourse. Doom more damage doesnt depend on rolls so, keep that in mind

[upbeat dune]

I do actually have a 99% frenzy shattered worlds that I couldn't equip until 1.3 because I would drop under red ring stats threshold, however now we get another 6 all from story chap and if I switch to double red ring that's even less of a concern

yes well I think I need lp2 belt minimum because I'll be losing endurance on my siphon, belts can roll endurance right?

[safe citrus]

Yeah they can

I was gonna say you lose T7 crit chance on the doom ring aswell

So idk if you've calculated crit cap but you'd need to solve that aswell

And you prolly dont wanna slam 1LP red ring with crit chance, atleast if you're playing MG like me XD

[upbeat dune]

yes I think I have to go Crit chance on red ring over strength, but that's only a loss of literally 1 strength with campaign stats so that's nbd

I'm cof so red rings are not a big deal

[safe citrus]

Ok yeah then its whatever

Red rings are a pain in MG

[upbeat dune]

doing legacy this season and I already have 2 perfect ones sitting in my stash

plus red ring less damage should offset some of that brutal belt debuff yea?

I think it's worth trying

as my build is now I can shred Uber to final phase and then I sorta flounder unless I play perfectly

[safe citrus]

If you get belt with 9% less damage per 100% frenzy effect, and you have roughly 225% frenzy effect i think, so you are taking 30% more damage

[upbeat dune]

more frenzy effect will help with rive a lot too since it's so busted with attack speed

belt is increased instead of more isn't it? although idk if that's effectively the same if I don't have any other increased or more taken

30% is definitely brutal though

[safe citrus]

Its more

[upbeat dune]

ah rip

[safe citrus]

But sentinels are bing chilling with tankyness generally so i think it should work out, and yeah second red ring offsets some of that

[upbeat dune]

if I ever get a good 2lp nihilis or shattered then I could find some survivability there but that's a long term meme

[safe citrus]

Did you consider putting flat crit strike on the sword catcher instead of attack speed or flat damage?

[upbeat dune]

for the rive 2her buff?

[safe citrus]

On my beastmaster setup i have swordcatcher with flat crit strike and crit multi

No i mean to crit cap easier

The legendary affixes

[upbeat dune]

yea I just didn't know if Crit chance got doubled with that one rive node but I didn't actually consider it before since every single point of attack speed was necessary for the ignite pen node

with the belt I could maybe swap it all around though that's an interesting point

then the strength on red ring too...

[safe citrus]

Oh i see

[upbeat dune]

[safe citrus]

I see what u mean now, u need enouh attack speed to consume ignites for that phys pen buff

[upbeat dune]

yep, and every point of attack speed is more damage with scrap metal

[safe citrus]

But a T7 flat crit on 2-handed axe is 18% crit chance, it all depends how many sources of crit you can find, like that immortal vise looks sus unless you already have it in legacy

[upbeat dune]

I mean it'll be going to legacy with my vk in a few days

[safe citrus]

Oh im a dumbass this isnt a planner this is a live character lmao

[upbeat dune]

yea it exists haha

[safe citrus]

But yeah, i think mainly gotta find replacement for crit on the ring, rest could stay i think?

And endurance on the belt

There arent that many good belt mods anyways except hybrid health so who cares

[upbeat dune]

if only I could find a +6 3lp sword catcher that would blow the build wide open but lmao @ that dream

[safe citrus]

I think my "realistic" settle, like the point where I'll stop trying to improve the sword catcher, is a 2LP one with flat crit + crit multi, and then 55% frenzy effect, 55% flat damage frenzy mod, and +6 skills

[upbeat dune]

it's not as bad with turtle nem strife now

[safe citrus]

Yeah exactly

[upbeat dune]

insanely brutal in 1.1 sword catcher farming was hell

[safe citrus]

You just gotta find a 2LP one then keep rolling it, i did that this cycle aswell with talons of valor on falconer

[upbeat dune]

yeeee

[safe citrus]

3Lp is tough tho

Because finding enough sword catchers with 3 legenadry affixes to roll it is unrealistic

And i dont think 3rd LP is better than the actual mods rolled on the item

[upbeat dune]

I haven't even found a single one let alone +6 and without +6 or MINIMUM +5 it's def not worth with rive anyways

way too many busted nodes

[safe citrus]

Same with earthquake

For beastmaster

[upbeat dune]

nihilis, sword catcher, shattered worlds, chest +4 and I still want more points lmao

[safe citrus]

Either i need +4 on helm with another mandatory T7 affix, then i can take +5 on the sword, or i get +6 on the sword and can take T6 exalt on helm

[upbeat dune]

thirsty ass skill trees

what helm are you using?

[safe citrus]

Well not a unique one which is the issue XD, its always harder on exalted ones to get double T7 on a desirable base

[upbeat dune]

well at least envy can help with that now iirc?

so that's nice

[safe citrus]

Kinda but not really

You are screwed with the suffixes

It chews so much forging potential, that most often you end up with less than T5 on suffixes

Oh wait u mean the one that changes the base

Yeah thats true, theres more options this cycle for sure

[upbeat dune]

forging potential the eternal problem

finally get a 60+fp and then you need to imprint it and farm ten more and save the last one so you can imprint something else

[safe citrus]

Yeah it is hard, but it good, i dont want getting the "perfect" item too easy either

Thats why i really like items like sword catcher, you can constantly improve it little by little

You'll never get perfect rolls on such an item

[upbeat dune]

yea it's boring to max out too easily

I was surprised there was 2 insane frenzy items this patch tbh, maybe should've expected some but damn they're both badass

too bad I can't use the helm unless I want to have the worst qol between echos, not worth it tbh

no way in hell I'm farming 3lp mantle of the ox and slamming 775 rive echo hp again that titan heart ruined me lmao

absolute cancer to do double class specific t7s

[safe citrus]

Yah lmao, but its for sure a bit easier on the unique ones

I dont think i will ever get this item for example

Suffixes for sure gonna be less than ideal

[upbeat dune]

oh yea unless you Crit and glyph of hope like 20 times

just cannot stomach the fp costs

[safe citrus]

Plus getting the desired base

Maximum health gains as endurance threshold is big EHP boost

SO yeah, it will end up as what it ends up as XD, ill try my best

[upbeat dune]

yea that's a sick base

[muted oar]

Wanting to use butchers crown but these helmet bases are too op

[dense tendon]

wait i dont see any imprint node nerfs in the patch notes

is this real

[velvet leaf]

can we reach high dot time rot damage with erasing strike? Or its very low compaired to how buffed erasing strike could peform alone?

[simple reef]

time rot ES is prob better than regular ES

on single target dps anyway

it has a cd so it'll feel different in maps etc

less tanky also

[molten cloak]

hello. shield throw get buff in s3?

[forest kelp]

FG shield throw get buff

[waxen nymph]

Not directly, but the primo relic with Increase Idols Effect is bonkers for it

[pseudo parcel]

probably the nerf we got mid season

where it was bugged briefly

[simple reef]

didn't that get reverted?

or at least compensated

i remember there was a huge backlash after the nerf and EHG just said "ah whatever, have your candy back"

[elfin warren]

Anyone planning to go Rive this Season?

[forest kelp]

Healthy game

[wraith oar]

So the game is still the same as last season basically

Sentinel is just S tier busted

Everything else is mid

[lethal glacier]

Guys which is better between Allie's devouring orb time rot and dreadful paladin smite ?

[simple reef]

so how did you come to that conclusion lmao

[silk wasp]

Sentinel s tier, everything else is mid. Just like last season where serpent strike druid and umbral blades falconer did not exist

[simple reef]

i'd say if u can kill uber in less than 1 minute you are at least S- tier, and i can guarantee that at least 10 out of the 15 masteries can do that in 1.3 (i dont play primalist/FG so i can't speak for those)

so the game balance is actually not looking too bad this time around at least across masteries (build variety inside one given class/mastery is a different story)

[elfin warren]

Anyone has a Javelin Smite planner?

[waxen nymph]

What version

[elfin warren]

Not the phys one. I think it was Electrify?

[spark garden]

Anyone ever tried Forge strike as a debuff spreader ?
I'm tempted to try some hybrid minion dot build this season. Probably suboptimal but I rly want to make some big damage minion build with sentinel (with forge strike)

[silk wasp]

I've never tried it but I've heard Bleed FS is strong. Not a minion build though

Could probably do something with ignite minions

[safe citrus]

There's people who think the patch is already solved and no new builds will crop up that people didnt expect

[modest palm]

real brad pitt?

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJZke2B

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (5) / Paladin (50)

General:

▸ Health: 1,389, Regen: 44/s
▸ Mana: 216.78, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 7 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 86% / 66% / 66% / -34% / 61% / 38% / 24%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 88%, Threshold: 673
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,807)

Used skills:

Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura / Warpath / Rive / Healing Hands

[waxen nymph]

Thoughts

?

[modest palm]

looking like a gigachad

[fair hollow]

Its missing MA 😂

[gusty abyss]

So many thoughts. (Where is smite?)

[waxen nymph]

Smite doesnt benefit from Warrior Fury 😄

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, when I see warriors fury I immediately think, that would be better as VK with void well

even ignoring the void stuff in vk

[waxen nymph]

Too classic

But good point

[gusty abyss]

yeah, your going to get so manny question why fire on VK xD

[waxen nymph]

Paladin gets a fair amount of Mana Regen for Butcher crown

[gusty abyss]

But euh, random thought, aberroths command, VC gets damage from channeling and against ignited

also with mana on crit, against bigger packs can go mana positive (actually not sure if it was per target)

[waxen nymph]

Good point here

[waxen nymph]

You need to stop channeling for the More Dmg to apply

[turbid dome]

@waxen nymph does LE tools have a bug report spot?

[waxen nymph]

The discord

[turbid dome]

how have I never realized the discord button

[waxen nymph]

Want the link ?

[turbid dome]

Im assuming its the discord link on the site

[waxen nymph]

Right ^^

[turbid dome]

cause the can't regen mana shows up under health regen mods for crown

but does properly set mana regen to 0

[waxen nymph]

Oo

What are you cooking step paladin

[turbid dome]

thats a void knight

[waxen nymph]

Spam Judgement ?

OO

I thought that was Volcanus

I dont know why

But it doesnt look like Volcanus at all

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

💀

!ban Engi to cover my mistake

[turbid dome]

I saw the bot vlad

[waxen nymph]

!!ban his butt ffs

[turbid dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/857890698837622794/862948883642187836/image0-2-11.gif

[waxen nymph]

neat site:
https://www.lastepoch.re/

[turbid dome]

oh wait right I can't send gifs

vlad can you send that gif

[waxen nymph]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/857890698837622794/862948883642187836/image0-2-11.gif?ex=68a57046&is=68a41ec6&hm=b39b1a95285675c9ec851aa0e347724ec983542eb78e0121dc0c4d634a179d77&

[turbid dome]

thanks

[waxen nymph]

So smoll

[waxen nymph]

Pog website

[turbid dome]

amogus ✅

smol ✅

club penguin dance ✅

[tropic sentinel]

how so?

[turbid dome]

max roll there is 15 flat damage for a 1x2 idol

juice

[gusty abyss]

1x1 idol 😄

[turbid dome]

oh whoops

[gusty abyss]

20 idols x 1.6 with relic

[waxen nymph]

You get Flat Per Reflect
Reliquary can give you an extra 60%

[turbid dome]

yo vlad sanity check me, if I'm dual wielding and ones an axe I still get +1 void dmg per vitality with rive's weapon master right

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[turbid dome]

for I'm having a vision

[waxen nymph]

What are you going to do with all that mana ?

[turbid dome]

to be honest

haven't gotten that far

[waxen nymph]

[turbid dome]

my thought was more just ignore the concept of mana

and just swing really really fast

[gusty abyss]

dont build mana regen at all!

[waxen nymph]

Ah

Frenzey + Effect

[sudden sigil]

swinging fast is fun, too bad it doesnt make flame blast do damage

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

@smoky nimbus second sanity check, sun seal's symbol of hope proc doesn't count as a direct cast right

[waxen nymph]

Wrong Vlad you pinged

[turbid dome]

ah beans

sorry other vlad

[waxen nymph]

@pvt

[waxen nymph]

I would assume no

[turbid dome]

but theres more pvts than vlads

[waxen nymph]

I would be very suprised

[waxen nymph]

Very true

[turbid dome]

butchers crown, forgotten knight sword, apostate's sanctuary, hell yeah we gaming

[turbid dome]

vlad Idk if I'm cooking or cooked

[waxen nymph]

Sometimes the line is thin

[turbid dome]

ima just send this cause I figured out what rive's tree is

found my mana dump skill

[waxen nymph]

Thats a lot of Inc Dmg

[turbid dome]

just a lil

[turbid dome]

@waxen nymph Heres the idea, we are completely ignoring the get mana per hit based on mana regen on the hat in favor of time and faith with a lot of attack speed to hopefully get enough mana to keep erasing striking c:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1PWgZ8o

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (73) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,903, Regen: 67.2/s
▸ Mana: 311.51, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 7 Att / 117 Vit
▸ Resistances: 95% / 71% / 71% / 82% / 80% / 159% / 133%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 1,250
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,037)

Used skills:

Rive / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Devouring Orb / Erasing Strike

[quiet hearth]

Time and Faith superiority

[wheat saffron]

Am I reading this correctly, even with major nerfs erasing strike is still going to be the most op build? XD

[wooden mountain]

the everything to bleed gloves and warpath w/ vortex relic seems like it could be a thing

it's only the beginnings of an idea but

increased phys scales your hit rate & damage, you hit fast and apply a lot of bleeds, I doubt you'd go full mana stack but warrior's fury is a nice damage & AOE boost even with moderate investments in mana

[mystic dawn]

you cant say until people can actually play the game

[muted oar]

average post in #💀┃acolyte is 594172937812 dps so probably not

[turbid dome]

basically yea

why bother with the way the item wants me to regen mana when I can just time and faith

[forest kelp]

Maintenance 48h

[turbid dome]

[lean swift]

some abo build hits 120m uber dps...

with autos...

[iron basin]

my brother just had the thought of ignite forge strike with wildfire embers

you get to use stun chance as DoT, utilize the juice multipliers on forge strike, and the embers can copy the forge strike

might be something there

[quiet hearth]

Smite would likely be better, if only because you can spam it more to proc more

wait, it doesnt exclude travel skills, you could have lunge wisps

Or VC, I cant imagine how wonky that would look

[iron basin]

this man and his lunge

I'm kinda picturing Flame Dash totems from PoE

sounds hilarious

[quiet hearth]

You mean to tell me you DONT want to see fire wisps use lunge?

[iron basin]

but also smite is lame and used everywhere

nobody actually CASTS forge strike

[quiet hearth]

Are yout sure about that?

[iron basin]

I would be a hypocrite if I said yes because I literally made a FS/SW build last season

but realistically FS is used way more as either a proc'd skill or not ever actually cast and used for the FW benefits

[quiet hearth]

oh im aware

Guess you could also try to get the wisps to use Smelters

[iron basin]

they can't use channeled skills

already thought about creating a flamethrower hell but it doesn't work

[quiet hearth]

Flameburst shield throw wisps?

[iron basin]

does the burst have enough multipliers to make the ignites worthwhile? I thought most of the scaling on shield throw was in its crit

[quiet hearth]

for that one it'd be the multiple bursts going off, the ignites would be a bonus really

[urban phoenix]

What are these wisps?

[quiet hearth]

ST does have a 100% more fire dmg node

[scenic gyro]

such a shame its not for channeled skills

warpath ignite prolif would be so fun

[iron basin]

smelter's wrath turning the ancient era into 'nam with Furnace

[scenic gyro]

kek

[urban phoenix]

Interesting.

[iron basin]

yeah and the bursts have 150% more damage on them too

probably something to that

yeah that definitely seems better than FS. I thought the detonating ground nodes had more fire damage, but they're more hit damage and then increased ignite chance+duration

[urban phoenix]

Does shield throw get a fire tag when you take Molten Shield?

I'm assuming it does?

[iron basin]

yes

[urban phoenix]

I wonder how something like this would interact with the wisps

[iron basin]

they would likely bounce to you but it would be funny if they bounced off the wisps. the real problem with that node is that it's locked behind the one that gives ST a cooldown

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, the alternative is:

[iron basin]

which I will one day make a build with. I found a new love of high damage CD-locked skills in my GD binge

yeah that's the one you use + ring of shields. you don't care that the shield itself isn't bouncing off enemies anymore at that point since you just want the lava burst

[urban phoenix]

Could be a neat build for sure.

[daring beacon]

so best sentinal for bleeds?

[urban phoenix]

Kinda wanna make a Torkrefin, Sigeon's shield throw with the new reflect armour.

[daring beacon]

was thinking forgeguard bleed using shield charge

or u think paladin better?

[iron basin]

I think there's a bleed shield charge paladin floating around

[daring beacon]

ya i like forgeguard a lot lol

paladin seems more armor stacking/tanky

[iron basin]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/p198x0gl

[daring beacon]

eww maxroll lol

[iron basin]

ironically forge guard tends to have bigger armor values in my experience

[daring beacon]

ooo so maby i should swap to armor stacking bleed?

[quiet hearth]

FG is the beef, I do find it mildly amusing that they reworked FG to be competitive and then buffed pally and VK to the freakin moon

[daring beacon]

wish ignite worked like PoE where it spread like wild fire than id just stick to my current ignite build

[iron basin]

yeah but at least FG isn't entirely memetier now

[quiet hearth]

And for that I am thankful

[urban phoenix]

Viscera based shield throw, stacking massive phys resistance for big bleeds.

with that new armour

[quiet hearth]

isnt there a new primordial that scales off phys res?

[urban phoenix]

Yeah

[daring beacon]

so it links ur bleed chance to ur PR?

[quiet hearth]

it's the reflect chest XD

[daring beacon]

a reflect bleed forgeguard could be fun

[iron basin]

you'd be better off using the gloves for a bleed build I think

those gloves are sick

all the generic ailment chance you can find on the sentinel tree gets turned into bleed instead

[quiet hearth]

nah you gotta go full titlt to get reflect to work

[urban phoenix]

Which gloves?

Salts?

[iron basin]

yeah reflect is definitely an all-in build. you build entirely around reflect or don't include it. the one exception I'd say is if you're using flat reflect stat as another way to get flat throwing damage on Shield Throw with Sigeon's Reprisal

[silk wasp]

Carrion

Bleedsplosion

[urban phoenix]

Ahh

[iron basin]

the explosion is just bonus. the real power in the gloves is the conversion

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, Sigeons could be neat for sure.

[iron basin]

for a pure reflect build, you use thornshell instead. Sigeon's basically just turns flat reflect into a very efficient source of flat throwing

[daring beacon]

u mean lean hard into it im assuming

[iron basin]

yeah your entire build for reflect is dedicated to making the reflect better

I napkin mathed a build the other day that got up to like 1m boss dps using the chest which isn't very good, but the gameplay for monoliths would literally just be a walking simulator

for bosses you'd cast ring of shields + rebuke whenever it's time to eat a big boss slam. otherwise you'd just exist

[urban phoenix]

Do you think sigeons would just be less efficient than that?

[iron basin]

it's a different build

sigeons you're building around shield throw but getting the ability to scale the shield throw with flat reflect stat. it's basically just opening up more options for gaining flat throwing damage. better to look at it as a throwing attack build and not a reflect build

it's like how salt the wound allows bleed/poison builds to utilize crit mulitplier, which is normally useless for DoT

[urban phoenix]

Gotcha, never really played a full throwing build before. Just not sure if it ends up being ungodly scaling compared to normal throwing builds, or just different.

[iron basin]

it's just different. shield throw can be okay but it really really struggles in single target

that's one of the reasons I've wanted to try a CD version of it since you can get a bunch of extra hits with the self-ricochet node

And the node doubles the damage of the shield, but you have to figure out a way to get around the 6s CD

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, kinda why I was thinking about using Torkrefins. Say you get like... 1000 phys res overcap, thats 3000% bleed and 200% phys pen with bleed.

[iron basin]

that's not a realistic overcap

not if you're not sacrificing all of your other resists for it

[urban phoenix]

Could remove a lot of res issues by going:

[iron basin]

yeah that would help a lot

but you don't get the bleed gloves

@quiet hearth I absolutely hate that I've started moving towards smite-on-hit idols with this shield throw ignite

but it just fits so well

[urban phoenix]

I think you can approach 1000. like, 700 is a pretty reasonable number it looks like, and you could push it higher.

Didn't even see this:

[jagged canopy]

Yeah, I got similar numbers with my napkin math
The one thing I'm uncertain of is how good true damage is in LE compared to other damage types, because that might make a difference when bossing
Thinking I'm going to start something else on sentinel (probably spell MA and embrace off-meta) and gather parts for trying out the reflect build

[iron basin]

unmitigated damage is very strong. there's a reason armor shred stacking is so important

[silk wasp]

If nothing else, this thing would be really good for securing an Uber kill

[muted oar]

Does true damage go thru the area level DR?

Doesnt the game have like 1% dr per area level capping at like 90

but 0 resistances on enemies

[silk wasp]

True damage bypasses all DR including area level

[quiet hearth]

we get our first specialization at lvl 4 right?

[sudden sigil]

thought it was 3

3-8-20-35-50

[quiet hearth]

I should know this with so many hours in the game but nooo

I forget the skill lvl vs character lvl break down too, Imjust wondering what level I can expect what skill levels right now